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Title: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 02, 2012, 01:37:38 pm
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In Uncanny X-Men #253 while Storm was in the hospital after being reverted into a pre-teen body, one of the doctors said, "But her features don't fit any conventional classification. Not Negroid, Caucasian, or Oriental -- Yet somehow, an amalgam of the rarest elements of them all."

Unless there is a serious climate change at Marvel, a change in culture in the X-office and X-verse, Storm is lost. Sure the "so-called Claremount A-list" Storm might return but it's dated. There is not a person I know that thinks that Storm is compelling. Yes, she has some great moments from that era... BUT that Storm aka O'oreo as coined by Mr. Majestik On CBR, is a tanned asgardian fetish-mammy. The Storm from the films is clowned from my view, voted having the worst dialogs EVER in a movie and overshadowed by Rogue with a oscar winning superstar actress even, fainting anytime she displays power in X-Men TAS, a mammy background character in X-men: Evolution then back to fainting and being the weakest X-man in the new X-men anime on G4. Yet part of her fan base blames the marriage. Fact is this, Storm was excluded from the two most monumental modern X-men WAY before the Marriage and Hudlin. That's a fact. Not being in Morrison X-Men or Whedon's Astonishing X-men (not buying that no fliers bs) which has multiple motion animation being released was the real blow to the character. Mind you Storm appears in Black Panther animated series and is shown never fainting once!

(http://www.comicsblend.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wolvxmen2011021_col_02.jpg)

Since the mods over on CBR is banning the use of O'oreo (lmao, yet they allow a number of bigoted sub-text to go unchecked), maybe it strikes a nerve. Sure she doesn't write her self, but the folk in control seem to be hell bent on lining her up with that name. I mean read the above quote, cringe worth at best, marginalizing her being black! Many african's have a wide range of features...yet the most prominent writer of Storm according to the X-haters tried to write her blackness off..her african-ness away..then throws her into the arms of white men and Asgardian mythology? As a minority reader, that's not compelling at all.

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110202072242/marveldatabase/images/1/1c/Ororo_Munroe_%28Earth-616%29_and_Stormcaster.jpg)

There something to be said about a character that writers and readers would rather have running around a school then being a political leader, flexing her political power to help her mutant people! That's not a Black Panther writers place, X-writers would have to do that..yet the blame is pushed on Black Panther?
They would rather have her with Thor who powers make her pretty much pointless...and trust me besides Thor hitting it those fans would not give a frak. If they had to dumb down his powers, you can forget it. Then also Logan, or any white male that NOT after or could not get Jean, Emma, Rogue, Psylock in the X-verse? I'm not even talking regular MU female characters like Black Widow!

So like I asked before, what will it take for Storm to move forward? At this point i've lost pretty much all interest in the character. I think Monica is problably better if Marvel got their act together. Until then O'oreo it is.

I mean I have see folks trying to defend AvX vs #5, like T'challa having plans for her, like he would not have plans for anyone...better yet a character with foes and friends that can control minds. There thing is to demonize him. But that's another topic.

Long story short the Marriage was one of the best things to happen to the character period, and they held (x-readers and x-writers) held her back.
Title: Re: The sad return O'Oreo Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on September 02, 2012, 02:09:40 pm
Solid post my bro.

Solid post indeed.

We need to coordinate our efforts in sending a well articulated and detailed protest to Marvel/DC.

What say you fellow Wakandan?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on September 02, 2012, 02:50:46 pm
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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 02, 2012, 09:44:42 pm
Yes. I have a lot more to say. I had to cut it short..but yes, we need too. I actually was like frak it, but then seeing the post on cbr...we cant go out like that.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on September 02, 2012, 11:55:29 pm
Dont forget her long winded dumb ass speeches before she attacks. Im glad in that episode of spiderman TAS he makes a joke of it because it is. I still remember I was clowning how Storm was in the TAS and of course the storm fans were pretending that she is such a great character in the series. As powerful as she is why she get captured by f*cking sentinel is silly if you ask me. Getting shot down by friends of humanity, rarely made an appearance in the key phoenix saga, one can go on and on. Her feats wasnt too impressive as it is. She took down misslies with her powers and frozen omega red  ::) Wow
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 03, 2012, 12:09:57 am
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Here's the deal...


In marriage Storm had access to black fans that were normally not available to her.

If we are real about it a black woman with blue eyes and white hair that hangs out with only characters that are mainly white even if they are mutant is a tough sell for the black community in general.

But when you have her agree to marry a character with the name Black Panther and he is king of a technologically advanced African it is like one big huge "Ghetto Pass" so to speak where black folks kind of nod their head and let her be welcome on vouchers.

Once she goes postal on her husband not because he was sleeping around or stealing money out of her purse or leaving the toilet seat up but at the orders of characters who are not black then the gloves come off.

Storm has had a difficulty selling a solo ongoing and really needed that black vote to carry her like President Obama when her usual fan base is not large enough to do so.

Marriage haters or marriage supporters were not enough and now that Wood and other architects are playing musical chairs with themselves and with who wears the pants in the X house Storm's status as HBIC is in jeopardy for years to come.

Hemorrhaging fans was not the way to go so now it will be tough to get her the support she needs to flourish.

Some black fans have called her a black cookie with white filling on the inside and no matter how you try to censor it that is worst than being called a "Stormbot" because it resonates long term on a much deeper level.

She like Black Panther after this may become untouchable to future architects if this spills over further into other genres or venues.

It's tough to escape harsh labels once they are validated and become public domain.
---Flex from Cbr.

black cookie with white filling inside? lmao
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 03, 2012, 12:10:43 am
Dont forget her long winded dumb ass speeches before she attacks. Im glad in that episode of spiderman TAS he makes a joke of it because it is. I still remember I was clowning how Storm was in the TAS and of course the storm fans were pretending that she is such a great character in the series. As powerful as she is why she get captured by f*cking sentinel is silly if you ask me. Getting shot down by friends of humanity, rarely made an appearance in the key phoenix saga, one can go on and on. Her feats wasnt too impressive as it is. She took down misslies with her powers and frozen omega red  ::) Wow
Agreed...she wasnt all that great on it...at all.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on September 03, 2012, 01:44:48 am
I dug the Extreme Storm/X-Men.  :) 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on September 03, 2012, 09:53:08 am
I would love an honest, straight up discussion about this, starting with your post, Seven (because it was awesome).


Unfortunately, I doubt any forum besides here would be able to handle it.  But hey, can I post it on CBR anyway? (don't worry, it'd be going to the minorities in comics thread, not the Storm Appreciation)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 03, 2012, 10:01:32 am
Sure...Seven = Umbra ;)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on September 03, 2012, 10:03:40 am
Sure...Seven = Umbra ;)


Well...


Now I feel dumb, lol.  I should have known.    :D
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 03, 2012, 10:15:09 am
Sure...Seven = Umbra ;)


Well...


Now I feel dumb, lol.  I should have known.    :D

I didn't even know.
Mwhahahahha....
okay. that's wassup.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 03, 2012, 11:36:33 am
Haha ;) :D ;D

Anyhow, couple arguements that don't fly, and are good examples of the bias from O'oreo fans.

1. During Civil War, Mr. Hudlin had T'challa employ at nation wide EMP against Doom and  via the Royal Quintjet!

However, during current X-Men run by Brian Wood, had a aircraft built by that Dr.Nemesis [yhe Ex-nazi talks to O' oreo more then her own husband! :)] Used a EMP verses a proto-mutant sea monster. Storm did NADA!

Mr. Hudlin was bashed for not having Storm EMP a entire nation, however O'oreo not EMPing a monster-mutant was cool! See how that works?

2. Omega Storm bringing up how O'oreo stopped a jet , and how but Hudlin had her not being able to stop a plane. That plane was the Royal Quintjet, for superior to ANY jet storm tried to stop. We have seen how fast Wakandan aircraft is..so no..she would not be able to stop a air superiority craft, just because she stopped a airliner.

So basically O'oreo can be written ANY way, it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 04, 2012, 08:53:00 pm
Post-Hudlin Storm was supposed to be Michelle Obama of the Marvel Universe, instead she's the Evelyn Lozada of the Marvel Universe.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kimoyo on September 04, 2012, 09:29:14 pm
Post-Hudlin Storm was supposed to be Michelle Obama the Marvel Universe, instead she's the Evelyn Lozada of the Marvel Universe.  :)

Haha!  Good one and too true!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 04, 2012, 09:41:18 pm
Post-Hudlin Storm was supposed to be Michelle Obama the Marvel Universe, instead she's the Evelyn Lozada of the Marvel Universe.  :)

dayam!
you came with it on that one Se7en!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 04, 2012, 10:15:14 pm
It's the truth though. during Hudlin's run and Mcduffie F4 that's kinda what she was...instead she's a VH1 Basketball Wife. It's kinda sad...

Think about BP #1 were she is speaking to the youth of Wakanda, to me that was growth in the right direction.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on September 05, 2012, 05:18:04 am
I still wonder how that was a problem of her being a role model for the wakandan kids.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on September 05, 2012, 10:11:01 am
"O'Oreo Munroe". Yeah I'll admit while I liked her and wanted more  I looked at her like Marvel's  Starfire sad to say. As a WoC she really didn't have any substance to her and what is more she was stunted with no character growth. The fetish, mammy, exotic piece...I liked her having a home and a close family and a people. The X Men were "family" like the other kids in the orphanage. But, with all that damn baggage I would have been ok if they stayed together but I'm not mad they are apart.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 06, 2012, 01:19:40 am
"O'Oreo Munroe". Yeah I'll admit while I liked her and wanted more  I looked at her like Marvel's  Starfire sad to say. As a WoC she really didn't have any substance to her and what is more she was stunted with no character growth. The fetish, mammy, exotic piece...I liked her having a home and a close family and a people. The X Men were "family" like the other kids in the orphanage. But, with all that damn baggage I would have been ok if they stayed together but I'm not mad they are apart.

QFT, sadly a large part of her fan base is delusional. This one person says to me that he would rather see her as wall paper them be with BP. Lmao.

And a lot of them are cool with her being a fetish-animal in chains, with little care for the sub-text...I mean I want to know what feminist think...because there is no way a true one would champion this character..in this state.

again, the my Pitch for Storm would have her cast as M.Obama with powers...that's compelling, that something you can sale..this fetish crap is nothing I would want ANY young WoC to read.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on September 06, 2012, 08:43:48 am
"O'Oreo Munroe". Yeah I'll admit while I liked her and wanted more  I looked at her like Marvel's  Starfire sad to say. As a WoC she really didn't have any substance to her and what is more she was stunted with no character growth. The fetish, mammy, exotic piece...I liked her having a home and a close family and a people. The X Men were "family" like the other kids in the orphanage. But, with all that damn baggage I would have been ok if they stayed together but I'm not mad they are apart.

QFT, sadly a large part of her fan base is delusional. This one person says to me that he would rather see her as wall paper them be with BP. Lmao.

And a lot of them are cool with her being a fetish-animal in chains, with little care for the sub-text...I mean I want to know what feminist think...because there is no way a true one would champion this character..in this state.

again, the my Pitch for Storm would have her cast as M.Obama with powers...that's compelling, that something you can sale..this fetish crap is nothing I would want ANY young WoC to read.

In all fairness a lot of that anti BP rhetoric is because some of you guys are fighting some crazy culture wars on those boards.Nobody hates a cartoon figure on a page, that's insane. Some of them hate the idea of her with a Black man for their various issued-related reasons. Some are trolling the Panther fans and there is some symbiotic crazy going on where some elements of BP fans are thirsty for their approval and they enjoy tweeking and rejecting them.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on September 06, 2012, 08:55:56 am
I have been loathe to say this but as a woman and a WoC I love Storm...but I just don't think she is good enough for him. Yeah she would have been good enough for Cage or Falcon but not the Panther. He is to the manner born and has always carried himself so. With all her super-size me baggage I could and did readily accept he loved her and chose her, the past doesn't matter, cool. They aside that were perfect. But then she DID betray him with Namor and if you want to give her a pass she doesn't get one for not coming clean. She did assault him on another man's directive. She defamed the Nation. She's not good enough for him and I have no problems with her being booted or her own volition out the door. Her pass isn't her pass it's her character and who she is.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on September 06, 2012, 10:29:48 am
At this point we know that Storm will be appearing in All-New Xmen.

We don't know where BP will show up next if anywhere.

So if we are for some reason keeping score, that character is doing better.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on September 06, 2012, 12:13:58 pm
At this point we know that Storm will be appearing in All-New Xmen.

We don't know where BP will show up next if anywhere.

So if we are for some reason keeping score, that character is doing better.

We do know that the Black Panther will show up in Marvel Now!...we're just waiting for Hickman to reveal the plans.

And Storm will also appear in "Wolverine and the X-Men," but we can't say that she is doing better as a character because of her appearances there (or anywhere else in the X-Men books) when she is being shown on a cover, locked in chains with a lockpick sticking out of her mouth.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on September 06, 2012, 12:24:46 pm
I have been loathe to say this but as a woman and a WoC I love Storm...but I just don't think she is good enough for him. Yeah she would have been good enough for Cage or Falcon but not the Panther. He is to the manner born and has always carried himself so. With all her super-size me baggage I could and did readily accept he loved her and chose her, the past doesn't matter, cool. They aside that were perfect. But then she DID betray him with Namor and if you want to give her a pass she doesn't get one for not coming clean. She did assault him on another man's directive. She defamed the Nation. She's not good enough for him and I have no problems with her being booted or her own volition out the door. Her pass isn't her pass it's her character and who she is.

I can only lay blame at the feet of the writer who had Ororo behaving that way. I think we have to ask ourselves why certain writers have Storm and the Black Panther behaving in certain ways, especially against each other.

Is the problem really with the characters, or the writers? I say it's the writers, and they need to be held accountable for the stuff they think up when it hurts the reputation of characters who are meant to be heroes and heroines.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 06, 2012, 02:10:19 pm
At this point we know that Storm will be appearing in All-New Xmen.

We don't know where BP will show up next if anywhere.

So if we are for some reason keeping score, that character is doing better.

Not really, since we DO know that he is showing up with the Avengers. Hickman has repeated it several times already. I don't think she's doing better at all.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 06, 2012, 02:11:23 pm
At this point we know that Storm will be appearing in All-New Xmen.

We don't know where BP will show up next if anywhere.

So if we are for some reason keeping score, that character is doing better.

We do know that the Black Panther will show up in Marvel Now!...we're just waiting for Hickman to reveal the plans.

And Storm will also appear in "Wolverine and the X-Men," but we can't say that she is doing better as a character because of her appearances there (or anywhere else in the X-Men books) when she is being shown on a cover, locked in chains with a lockpick sticking out of her mouth.

Exactly...the whole fetish-animal thing...wow.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on September 06, 2012, 02:35:47 pm
At this point we know that Storm will be appearing in All-New Xmen.

We don't know where BP will show up next if anywhere.

So if we are for some reason keeping score, that character is doing better.

Not really, since we DO know that he is showing up with the Avengers. Hickman has repeated it several times already. I don't think she's doing better at all.

That and we know as confirmed by Axel and Hickman that he wil be hugely important to marvel now. Plus he's going to be handled by Hickman while storm gets aaron and bendis neither of whom has a good track record with her. He will be important to the main mega plot to marvel in general while there has been no indication so far that storm will be important to the x men mega plot much less the general MU mega plot like BP will be. Tchalla wins.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 06, 2012, 10:09:03 pm
At this point we know that Storm will be appearing in All-New Xmen.

We don't know where BP will show up next if anywhere.

So if we are for some reason keeping score, that character is doing better.

Not really, since we DO know that he is showing up with the Avengers. Hickman has repeated it several times already. I don't think she's doing better at all.

That and we know as confirmed by Axel and Hickman that he wil be hugely important to marvel now. Plus he's going to be handled by Hickman while storm gets aaron and bendis neither of whom has a good track record with her. He will be important to the main mega plot to marvel in general while there has been no indication so far that storm will be important to the x men mega plot much less the general MU mega plot like BP will be. Tchalla wins.



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Is the Black Panther role a big reveal? I'm guessing that he's has spoilers connected to him?


JonathanHickman 6h
The entire book is a reveal. So we're not talking about it.


See what I mean. Hickman has and IS being straight up about things. For me, look at how many brown minority males that are on the team?

Eden Fesi
Sunspot
Falcon

And T'challa is tied to something that is a total reveal. Storm loses...she wasnt even important enough to be used as a spoiler. They just released covers, one where she was a after thought...the other were they just said she's back to being fetish-mammy Jean's school on Wolverines team!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kimoyo on September 08, 2012, 03:24:45 pm
It's a shame.  I rather enjoyed the badass Storm from Worlds Apart!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 08, 2012, 10:06:16 pm
It's a shame.  I rather enjoyed the badass Storm from Worlds Apart!

Peace,

Mont
Agreed..that Storm is great..that other Storm or O'oreo is not.
Title: AVENGERS VS. X-MEN: CONSEQUENCES #1
Post by: Seven on September 13, 2012, 11:19:28 am
AVENGERS VS. X-MEN: CONSEQUENCES #1
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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 13, 2012, 11:36:37 am
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"Some people were questioning, 'What are they going to see? I don't get it.' How about 16-year-old Cyclops discovers that he murdered Xavier, and is hanging out with Magneto?" Bendis said. "Poor Jean and Scott, they're so filled with young love for each other, and then she has to see, "Oh, you grow up to be this?"

Despite the story potential in a dead Xavier, Bendis said that it was still a "hotly debated" decision at Marvel. It was also never a situation where someone "had" to die in order to give weight to AvX, Alonso stressed.

"We could have done this event without killing Professor X, easily," Alonso said. "We could have done it without killing anyone. But it made sense. This is more than just a set piece we use in AvX; it enriches the story when you see son kill father. We wouldn't have done it if we didn't think it created an interesting dynamic for the future, and where we're headed.

Since the (temporary) demise of Hawkeye in 2004's Avengers #502, Bendis has had something of a reputation for killing beloved Marvel characters — and now he's bumped off the guy who started the X-Men, two months before he starts his run as writer of the new flagship title.

"I decimated the mutants, gave Wolverine his memories back, and killed Charles Xavier, and I haven't even started the X-Men yet," Bendis said, with a laugh. "That's just nuts."

With All-New X-Men #1 not out until November and the blood of Charles Xavier already on his hands, Bendis has some advice for X-Men fans who might not be pleased with him over the latest developments:

"Let us follow in the teachings of Xavier and be tolerant and accepting of other people's ideas, and not yell at me."

----Newsarama:

Smh. Thank goodness Bendis (and I like him) isn't writing T'challa (because he can't). I still worry for Storm and Logan is going to be 'hitting' it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on September 13, 2012, 11:57:10 am
Although there are some X-Men fans that want to see Storm with Wolverine, there seem to be a lot of X-Men fans that don't want her with Wolverine. They'd probably start fighting amongst themselves in their forums, if they don't already.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 14, 2012, 11:38:16 am
Although there are some X-Men fans that want to see Storm with Wolverine, there seem to be a lot of X-Men fans that don't want her with Wolverine. They'd probably start fighting amongst themselves in their forums, if they don't already.


Forge is back from the dead...so now you have Forge also. Which would ok with the x-board tea party.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1347566469.jpg)

Brian Wood's 'Security' team (a decent book btw) has been gutted (Domino, Colossus, Nemesis [tech-support]) So I'm not sure how that's going to work out, besides Wood leaving the book. Right now Storm is with two oversized team books. Not really a good look and even if she got a team book she was leading with focus...this current book was dropping in sales WHEN Storm started getting more focus, prior to that the book sold better with the other writer Gishler.

That's Marvels problem, the 'fans' on the X-boards DON'T really support Storm...at all. They just hate on Black Panther..... AND they hate on Storm too...even when Panther has nothing to do with it. They aren't really supporting.

So look for Forge I think. smh.


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 14, 2012, 12:29:40 pm
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Gabriel also said Milo Manara will be doing a Marvel NOW! cover that heavily features Psylocke, with her name in italics in the interview like it's the title of a book, suggesting the mutant ninja will be getting her own ongoing series as part of Marvel NOW!.

So Psylocke is getting a solo.  :)

Storm can also fight in Hand to Hand, they could make her sort like the Avatar when she does fight, which would be visually different.

Again, is Storm really the Flag Ship Marvel woman or even X-woman? The answer is no. She has never been that, EVER even back in the 80's, Jean was the focal point and Storm pretty much came after Jean and all her various meta moving story lines. Again, Mr. Hudin's marriage of Storm was the correct direction for the character.

Look at the awesome NEW Avengers squad that is SURE to be a big hit like Hickman has exclaimed. Wouldn't it be much better is she was there with a writer who actually likes the marriage, likes her former Husband so much that he has made him a center piece in a Flagship book of Marvel and also likes her and can actually write strong female characters? Not that Bendis and Aaron don't. I just think she is going to be wallpaper for the most part and just there, making a statement here and there instead of actually being a part of the mega plot.

And Bendis likes to kill, big characters. She is certainly not immune to this...especially when they don't think she can carry a title and with Frenzy and Idie (who as a major role in Aaron's book coming up) are also black females. Food for thought.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on September 14, 2012, 12:53:36 pm
Seven...you need to let it go...and quit worrying about fictional sex between two cartoon characters  ;D
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 14, 2012, 01:42:04 pm
Seven...you need to let it go...and quit worrying about fictional sex between two cartoon characters  ;D
Lol, lmao. Be quite. My head is not in the gutter.  :D
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on September 17, 2012, 01:43:33 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41053 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41053)

Storm is on Uncanny Xforce.

So..part of me says she has killed before, but the other feels that it's not a standard thing for her. Is this too far fetched?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JLI Jesse on September 17, 2012, 03:25:26 pm
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41053[/url] ([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41053[/url])

Storm is on Uncanny Xforce.

So..part of me says she has killed before, but the other feels that it's not a standard thing for her. Is this too far fetched?


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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kristopher on September 17, 2012, 05:40:19 pm
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41053[/url] ([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41053[/url])

Storm is on Uncanny Xforce.


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Humphries further noted that the focus of the series would be on Psylocke


No thank you.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on September 17, 2012, 05:45:07 pm
[sarcasm]Oh yeah, Storm is much better off now that she's no longer married to T'Challa.[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2012, 05:50:26 pm
This is a clear downgrade for the character. Period. As Kris points out, Psylocke has pretty much bumped her out of the way. WOW.

Storm was the center, the focus, the leader, and moral compass of Wood's X-MEN Storm was all those things? Karma.

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Marvel.com: You say all these characters have darkness in their past. Who—if anyone—provides the book's moral center?

Sam Humphries: "Moral center" is an interesting term for a book like UNCANNY X-FORCE. In this context, it won't mean the same thing to all people. Psylocke will be the center of the book, both morally and otherwise.

Marvel.com: What makes Psylocke the right person to headline the series and lead the team?

Sam Humphries: She's a great character with deep contradictions. Her history is a mess. She's a survivor who doesn't fear the darkness. She's one of my favorite X-Men. And it's her time. Watch the throne.

So Storm's is just a supporting character in three books.  :-\ sure she's showing up, but like I said, she was the star of X-MEN.

It's her time, and I guess O'oreo's time is over. Really, Psylocke leading Storm? Lmao

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2012, 05:52:53 pm
[sarcasm]Oh yeah, Storm is much better off now that she's no longer married to T'Challa.[/sarcasm]

Indeed Bro. O'oreo fans are getting what they asked for! Karma.

Meanwhile T'challa is a star of NEW Avengers, according to it's Writer and the EIC of Marvel. Storm would have been better off with T'challa and Hickman.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2012, 06:05:26 pm
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Marvel.com: Storm seems like the odd-one-out in this team, as she tends to see killing as a last resort. Is she here to keep an eye on the others, or do the events of AvX force a change in her attitudes?

Sam Humphries: Odd one out? Don't forget Storm is still the same person who ran off into the Tokyo night and reappeared sporting leather street wear and a mohawk! I see everyone in this book as a wild card, especially Storm. Without saying too much, the events of AvX creates a bond between her and Betsy that will take them into the events of the book together.

Characters in Uncanny X-Force aren't always going to be on the same page when it comes to killing. Same goes for some of the other bizarre surprises we have in store. We've got a wide spectrum of strong personalities and it's been fun to decide where they stand on some core values—and how their positions could change over time.

So basically, she's going backwards.

And the Villian is Bishop! All Storm needs to do is invite Hate-monger, the Red Skull, and her hunting buddy Nemesis and she go to go.

Smh.

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Marvel.com: The villain for the first arc is Bishop, who has been going through a rough patch since his days on the X-Men. Does Psylocke see him as someone she needs to stop or as someone she needs to save?

Sam Humphries: That question is going to be largely immaterial as they try to dodge his bullets.

Marvel.com: What about Storm's relationship with Bishop? Reunited and it feels so good?

Sam Humphries: Bishop is the man she remembers, but not the man she remembers. He was abandoned in the year 6300 AD. The dude has been alone, thousands of years in the future. A man goes through a lot of changes trying to get from 6300 AD to the present day. It is going to be an ugly reunion all around.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on September 17, 2012, 06:25:01 pm
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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on September 17, 2012, 07:22:35 pm
Seven where'd you hear about tchalla featuring In NA?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2012, 08:21:58 pm
Seven where'd you hear about tchalla featuring In NA?

Hickman has already said it several times, Brevoort and Axel also said it in interviews. That's the book that he's in.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on September 17, 2012, 08:47:02 pm
Seven where'd you hear about tchalla featuring In NA?

Hickman has already said it several times, Brevoort and Axel also said it in interviews. That's the book that he's in.

Man how'd I miss that? I was asking becayse it must if been a pretty good interview and I would want to read that
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on September 17, 2012, 09:51:35 pm
I like Psylocke a lot I think she is a big time rising star but Storm running with the pack of killers and teaching the kiddies is idiotic.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2012, 09:52:07 pm
Seven where'd you hear about tchalla featuring In NA?

Hickman has already said it several times, Brevoort and Axel also said it in interviews. That's the book that he's in.

Man how'd I miss that? I was asking becayse it must if been a pretty good interview and I would want to read that

Axel just said that t'challa has a huge role in Marvel NOW. Hickman has been talking about T'challa since February. The scotty young variant is the NA or at least part of the team/squad. The rest is going to be announced some time between now and the NYCC..

I'm betting on NYCC because Hickman is attending. He's only writing two Marvel ongoings...Avengers and NEW Avengers...though he could be lying about not writing more.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on September 17, 2012, 09:53:43 pm
I like Psylocke a lot I think she is a big time rising star but Storm running with the pack of killers and teaching the kiddies is idiotic.

indeed, but Storm might get kicked out of the School..which Sam H has said is going to occur with a character. But yeah, it's idiotic.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on October 01, 2012, 07:50:11 am
I find it alittle ironic that Storm is on one X-force team, and her loser X-Boyfriend  is on the other. Should be interesting when the two teams have their inevitable fight.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 01, 2012, 08:08:54 am
I find it alittle ironic that Storm is on one X-force team, and her loser X-Boyfriend  is on the other. Should be interesting when the two teams have their inevitable fight.

Knowing the X office, they will probably end up back together...and that's some sad ish.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 01, 2012, 10:08:26 am
Axel just said that t'challa has a huge role in Marvel NOW. Hickman has been talking about T'challa since February. The scotty young variant is the NA or at least part of the team/squad. The rest is going to be announced some time between now and the NYCC..

I'm betting on NYCC because Hickman is attending. He's only writing two Marvel ongoings...Avengers and NEW Avengers...though he could be lying about not writing more.

Haven't they said before that T'challa has a major part in something only it turns out to be nothing?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 01, 2012, 01:19:37 pm
Axel just said that t'challa has a huge role in Marvel NOW. Hickman has been talking about T'challa since February. The scotty young variant is the NA or at least part of the team/squad. The rest is going to be announced some time between now and the NYCC..

I'm betting on NYCC because Hickman is attending. He's only writing two Marvel ongoings...Avengers and NEW Avengers...though he could be lying about not writing more.

Haven't they said before that T'challa has a major part in something only it turns out to be nothing?

Not really, that something was a solo book again after being cancelled...and something else that got pushed back to now. The same thing occured with Ms. Marvel around Doom war...and she is getting what they promised now... Again, it's different since Hickman has already said that he writing him and we saw the NEW Avengers cover, plus his FF issues which he said is tied to that.

It's not like things can't get pushed back or held off. That's exactly what happened with both Ms. Marvel and T'challa. A recent event was held off until next year, the Age of Ultron for AvX.


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Despite being reshuffled to accommodate AVX, the Ultron War story is still happening, probably Spring/Summer 2013.
---Bleeding Cool
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 01, 2012, 09:34:48 pm
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If allowed, at the NYCC will you talk about what Fantastic Four #608 meant as in terms of what Bast did to T'challa? hints it doesn't spoil of course. I'm REALLY hoping that we will get some news on the NEW Avengers. Like why did Black Bolt join?


JonathanHickman
Sure. Happy to. Although you're going to get press before the show starting this week and running up to it.

Again, not really the same situation. I asked Brevoort and he straight up told me last year that the plans they had didn't work out like they wanted. Background stuff, but to me it's for the best because we got a Hickman and T'challa on a team with mega plot focus...rather then Background Bendis, who I really don't think fits in his wheel house of characters he likes. If he did write him, T'challa would end up being black Matt Murdock.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on October 02, 2012, 02:39:05 pm
Ahhh so we might be hearing some news about tchalla this week then. Most likely after wed when AVX #12 is out.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 02, 2012, 03:28:24 pm
Ahhh so we might be hearing some news about tchalla this week then. Most likely after wed when AVX #12 is out.


Yes, Thurs or Friday heading into next week and the NYCC. Again, Hickman has been pretty up front about writing T'challa and how excited he is to write him. He kept making hints about Batman being on the Avengers...and he's a Morrison fan...the guy who made Batman 1 million.

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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 02, 2012, 09:39:00 pm
Yeah I may have to pick up the Bendis book it looks like it will be pretty sweet. And in only a few panels I can sense I'm going to really like his take on Storm.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 04, 2012, 10:05:20 am
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/51d2530i13815/prv13815_pg2.jpg)
So Storm isn't fit to lead Prof. X dream, but Havoc is the best person for it?  ??? ::)
wow
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 04, 2012, 01:51:23 pm
ROFL that is what those storm trolls get. You got what you want so have it
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 04, 2012, 04:47:40 pm
ROFL that is what those storm trolls get. You got what you want so have it

Agreed. I'm LMAO my ass off at the moment. Karma.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on October 04, 2012, 07:13:27 pm
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 04, 2012, 08:36:39 pm
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.

This...I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. Many heated arguments on CBR about her situation. The problem is she has a few different kinds of fans. People like you and I, the X-baggers and the Storm fans that just don't have any sense.

They are enablers to this crap, because the ONLY thing they seem to care about is her not being with Black Panther, saying a tough dialog. It's crazy that Psylocke is now more central to the X-lore..but you could see that going down when she had a few central roles in different x-books.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on October 04, 2012, 10:03:01 pm
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.

Co-sign. SO co-sign.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 05, 2012, 06:15:35 am
It doenst make any kind of sense at all. I'm mean sh*t since he is mutant and a summers why not Vulcan? ROFL
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 05, 2012, 06:47:31 am
It doenst make any kind of sense at all. I'm mean sh*t since he is mutant and a summers why not Vulcan? ROFL

Exactly.

I'm not on CBR and I don't even check it anymore, but I wonder how the X-baggers over there are trying to spin it? On Comicvine some of those cats are delusional. Everything is GREAT! Even when Storm is clearly being downgraded...

And they downgraded her continuously when they DENIED her the chance to be a Queen. She was NEVER shown to be a Queen at all inside of the X-verse. They just could not bring themselves to show her as being that powerful.

Fact is simple, she co-starred with T'challa. She was a co-star in a solo characters book and could have been a titled co-star with T'challa if the editorial would have allowed it and not pandered to the X-baggers.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 05, 2012, 07:09:54 am
The writer likes Havok so he's the lead, Bendis liked Cage so he was the lead. That's what writers do.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: PFunk on October 05, 2012, 07:19:34 am
(I usually just lurk and read but I had to pipe in on this one)

Seven.  I do regularly check CBR (just to check/keep informed on comic's 'fanboy' side).  And it isn't good.

To put it bluntly they now are hostile towards both BP and Wakanda.  Happy that Storm is 'free' of his 'influence' and say that Wakanda's destruction is deserved and Namor should have finished the job.  They also see it as another Genosha due to their "no mutant's" policy now.  Which has me feeling a "Let's pay back the 'uppedy' black king/nation who upsurped our storm" vibe from many of the posts.

Makes me really start to consider dumping Marvel totally now.

anyway that's my .02 cents :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on October 05, 2012, 08:04:50 am
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.

This...I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. Many heated arguments on CBR about her situation. The problem is she has a few different kinds of fans. People like you and I, the X-baggers and the Storm fans that just don't have any sense. They are enablers to this crap, because the ONLY thing they seem to care about is her not being with Black Panther, saying a tough dialog. It's crazy that Psylocke is now more central to the X-lore..but you could see that going down when she had a few central roles in different x-books.

I’m not even sure about THAT anymore to be honest with you.

Every time a new Young Justice episode comes out it’s a race between teen white girls and brothers in their early 20’s to post reviews about it on Youtube (It’s the damnedest thing!!!). Ms. Martian, Stephanie Brown/Spoiler, Cassie Cain and Barbara Gordon all have these pretty vocal female fandoms. And some of them aren’t even on TV.

Storm’s being in an Anime or Wolverine and the Xmen didn’t do jack for her perception-wise as near as I can tell.

If online is any indication Storm’s most vocal fans are gay white dudes. Which I guess makes sense since the version of Storm they like seems to me like RuPaul with Super Powers. The amount of females that give a crap about Storm at all: White, Black, Brown or Purple is shrinking, let alone the males.

The longer she stays in the X-ghetto the less relatable she gets. Under Reg, Storm had a Husband, in-laws and 2 sets of Grandparents (that really didn’t like each other so well). Even if teens aren’t married yet they do have their families to deal with so Storm having in laws and stuff made her relatable. 

Now Storm has Psylocke, Spyral and…Puck.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 05, 2012, 09:00:58 am
(I usually just lurk and read but I had to pipe in on this one)

Seven.  I do regularly check CBR (just to check/keep informed on comic's 'fanboy' side).  And it isn't good.

To put it bluntly they now are hostile towards both BP and Wakanda.  Happy that Storm is 'free' of his 'influence' and say that Wakanda's destruction is deserved and Namor should have finished the job.  They also see it as another Genosha due to their "no mutant's" policy now.  Which has me feeling a "Let's pay back the 'uppedy' black king/nation who upsurped our storm" vibe from many of the posts.

Makes me really start to consider dumping Marvel totally now.

anyway that's my .02 cents :)

Is that fair really? You can lurk here and report some pretty awful things said about them  in this forum. Doesn't reflect how we all feel.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 05, 2012, 09:07:19 am
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.

This...I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. Many heated arguments on CBR about her situation. The problem is she has a few different kinds of fans. People like you and I, the X-baggers and the Storm fans that just don't have any sense. They are enablers to this crap, because the ONLY thing they seem to care about is her not being with Black Panther, saying a tough dialog. It's crazy that Psylocke is now more central to the X-lore..but you could see that going down when she had a few central roles in different x-books.

I’m not even sure about THAT anymore to be honest with you.

Every time a new Young Justice episode comes out it’s a race between teen white girls and brothers in their early 20’s to post reviews about it on Youtube (It’s the damnedest thing!!!). Ms. Martian, Stephanie Brown/Spoiler, Cassie Cain and Barbara Gordon all have these pretty vocal female fandoms. And some of them aren’t even on TV.

Storm’s being in an Anime or Wolverine and the Xmen didn’t do jack for her perception-wise as near as I can tell.

If online is any indication Storm’s most vocal fans are gay white dudes. Which I guess makes sense since the version of Storm they like seems to me like RuPaul with Super Powers. The amount of females that give a crap about Storm at all: White, Black, Brown or Purple is shrinking, let alone the males.

The longer she stays in the X-ghetto the less relatable she gets. Under Reg, Storm had a Husband, in-laws and 2 sets of Grandparents (that really didn’t like each other so well). Even if teens aren’t married yet they do have their families to deal with so Storm having in laws and stuff made her relatable. 

Now Storm has Psylocke, Spyral and…Puck.

Vic I have to agree with. Everyone knows I'm good either way with the split but it was a major step backwards for her character. Storm is losing so many layers. (And I LOVE YJ and those utube folks are PASSIONATE)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 05, 2012, 11:57:51 am
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.

This...I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. Many heated arguments on CBR about her situation. The problem is she has a few different kinds of fans. People like you and I, the X-baggers and the Storm fans that just don't have any sense. They are enablers to this crap, because the ONLY thing they seem to care about is her not being with Black Panther, saying a tough dialog. It's crazy that Psylocke is now more central to the X-lore..but you could see that going down when she had a few central roles in different x-books.

I’m not even sure about THAT anymore to be honest with you.

Every time a new Young Justice episode comes out it’s a race between teen white girls and brothers in their early 20’s to post reviews about it on Youtube (It’s the damnedest thing!!!). Ms. Martian, Stephanie Brown/Spoiler, Cassie Cain and Barbara Gordon all have these pretty vocal female fandoms. And some of them aren’t even on TV.

Storm’s being in an Anime or Wolverine and the Xmen didn’t do jack for her perception-wise as near as I can tell.

If online is any indication Storm’s most vocal fans are gay white dudes. Which I guess makes sense since the version of Storm they like seems to me like RuPaul with Super Powers. The amount of females that give a crap about Storm at all: White, Black, Brown or Purple is shrinking, let alone the males.

The longer she stays in the X-ghetto the less relatable she gets. Under Reg, Storm had a Husband, in-laws and 2 sets of Grandparents (that really didn’t like each other so well). Even if teens aren’t married yet they do have their families to deal with so Storm having in laws and stuff made her relatable. 

Now Storm has Psylocke, Spyral and…Puck.

I agree with you totally. LMAO awesome post, It made me laugh, but it's the total truth...I agree that Reg Storm was one that had the ability to move forward. On the Marvel side, Captain (Ms.) Marvel is the hit for little girls...every time I look on twitter on Tumblr i see little girls Cos Playing as Carol...Carol is leading on a flag ship team, has a solo, her showing on Avengers EMH was better then ANYTHING Storm has EVER had including the 90's faint contest she had with Jean...and besides those, she is also a part of Avengers Assembled comic and T.V show.

I agree it's not a good look.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 05, 2012, 12:00:16 pm
(I usually just lurk and read but I had to pipe in on this one)

Seven.  I do regularly check CBR (just to check/keep informed on comic's 'fanboy' side).  And it isn't good.

To put it bluntly they now are hostile towards both BP and Wakanda.  Happy that Storm is 'free' of his 'influence' and say that Wakanda's destruction is deserved and Namor should have finished the job.  They also see it as another Genosha due to their "no mutant's" policy now.  Which has me feeling a "Let's pay back the 'uppedy' black king/nation who upsurped our storm" vibe from many of the posts.

Makes me really start to consider dumping Marvel totally now.

anyway that's my .02 cents :)

Thanks...but I think Vic pointed out some things. T'challa was doing more for Storm then she actually did for him. That's my opinion. Yes she brought some things, but not enough to say that she is critical to his success.

I say give Hickman a chance, he has 3 years at least with him and possibly more.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 06, 2012, 07:37:43 am
I don't know what is funnier, that Storm got passed over to lead by Cap or that she got passed over to lead by everybody else too.

Now we know why she is on Psylocke's Xforce team.  I guess it will be some kinda redemption arc for her.

But boy has this character been mishandled.  But anybody who had been paying attention could have seen this coming.

Storm get more shine in the Xverse than White Queen?

Not Gonna Happen.

She's Betsy's sidekick now.

This...I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. Many heated arguments on CBR about her situation. The problem is she has a few different kinds of fans. People like you and I, the X-baggers and the Storm fans that just don't have any sense. They are enablers to this crap, because the ONLY thing they seem to care about is her not being with Black Panther, saying a tough dialog. It's crazy that Psylocke is now more central to the X-lore..but you could see that going down when she had a few central roles in different x-books.

I’m not even sure about THAT anymore to be honest with you.

Every time a new Young Justice episode comes out it’s a race between teen white girls and brothers in their early 20’s to post reviews about it on Youtube (It’s the damnedest thing!!!). Ms. Martian, Stephanie Brown/Spoiler, Cassie Cain and Barbara Gordon all have these pretty vocal female fandoms. And some of them aren’t even on TV.

Storm’s being in an Anime or Wolverine and the Xmen didn’t do jack for her perception-wise as near as I can tell.

If online is any indication Storm’s most vocal fans are gay white dudes. Which I guess makes sense since the version of Storm they like seems to me like RuPaul with Super Powers. The amount of females that give a crap about Storm at all: White, Black, Brown or Purple is shrinking, let alone the males.

The longer she stays in the X-ghetto the less relatable she gets. Under Reg, Storm had a Husband, in-laws and 2 sets of Grandparents (that really didn’t like each other so well). Even if teens aren’t married yet they do have their families to deal with so Storm having in laws and stuff made her relatable. 

Now Storm has Psylocke, Spyral and…Puck.

Young Justice Universe > all DC stuff...they need to build on THAT universe it's awesome and I love the premise. Add JLU style stuff to that and solos...they would really make waves against Marvel.

But the current new Avengers is right in my wheel house. That team is as if not more powerful then the X-tinction team, certainly more resources and brain power.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 06, 2012, 09:06:37 am
Young Justice is a great show and have strong diversity without forcing it down your throats. But you have to admit the writer Greg Wiseman was always like this. Look at his show Gargoyles for example. Where the main main supporting protagonist was of mixed heritage of native american and Nigerian.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 06, 2012, 12:21:42 pm
Young Justice is a great show and have strong diversity without forcing it down your throats. But you have to admit the writer Greg Wiseman was always like this. Look at his show Gargoyles for example. Where the main main supporting protagonist was of mixed heritage of native american and Nigerian.

Agreed. Kaldor has a MAJOR role in Young Justice and he's pretty bad ass...I'm kinda shocked. He's a good a fighter as Dick (maybe just below him), his physical prowess in on par with super boy (maybe just below him, but he took him out easy), and he has a tactical mind with plans along with Dick. Plus his Atlantean battle magic. He's very formidable.

They don't care about female's all joining up to kick ass either...why, it doesn't matter. It's comics...you are suppose to have campy stuff like that...plus of course female heroes would bond.

Just a great cartoon, and one of the best D.C has put out since JLU.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 06, 2012, 08:08:42 pm
(I usually just lurk and read but I had to pipe in on this one)

Seven.  I do regularly check CBR (just to check/keep informed on comic's 'fanboy' side).  And it isn't good.

To put it bluntly they now are hostile towards both BP and Wakanda.  Happy that Storm is 'free' of his 'influence' and say that Wakanda's destruction is deserved and Namor should have finished the job.  They also see it as another Genosha due to their "no mutant's" policy now.  Which has me feeling a "Let's pay back the 'uppedy' black king/nation who upsurped our storm" vibe from many of the posts.

Makes me really start to consider dumping Marvel totally now.

anyway that's my .02 cents :)

Thanks...but I think Vic pointed out some things. T'challa was doing more for Storm then she actually did for him. That's my opinion. Yes she brought some things, but not enough to say that she is critical to his success.

I say give Hickman a chance, he has 3 years at least with him and possibly more.

I don't buy at all he did more for her than she did for him.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 06, 2012, 09:10:03 pm
(I usually just lurk and read but I had to pipe in on this one)

Seven.  I do regularly check CBR (just to check/keep informed on comic's 'fanboy' side).  And it isn't good.

To put it bluntly they now are hostile towards both BP and Wakanda.  Happy that Storm is 'free' of his 'influence' and say that Wakanda's destruction is deserved and Namor should have finished the job.  They also see it as another Genosha due to their "no mutant's" policy now.  Which has me feeling a "Let's pay back the 'uppedy' black king/nation who upsurped our storm" vibe from many of the posts.

Makes me really start to consider dumping Marvel totally now.

anyway that's my .02 cents :)

Thanks...but I think Vic pointed out some things. T'challa was doing more for Storm then she actually did for him. That's my opinion. Yes she brought some things, but not enough to say that she is critical to his success.

I say give Hickman a chance, he has 3 years at least with him and possibly more.

I don't buy at all he did more for her than she did for him.

Ok, but being wall paper or being a support character in the X-verse vs. being a co-star in his book, joining the Avengers, being in his toon, joining the F4,  Being written by writers who didn't treat her like a jump off, validation that she is a WOC. Yes, he did more for her then she did for him.

X-baggers made it clear they were not going to support Black Panther from the start. What did she bring to the table? He wasn't showing up in the X-verse, BUT she certainly did start showing up in MU proper! See Civil War.

As for being "more popular" ...with the internet and social networks that doesn't matter, to get exposure. The Avengers was the bigger franchise at the time of their marriage. A better result would have been adding him to the Avengers... a best selling comic, if exposure was that was being sought after. She didn't give him much to take advantage of...her fans were never going to support the marriage.

At the end of the day, T'challa is the start and the mega plot focus in the flagship NEW Avengers with a MAJOR EVENT based on him and his story. Storm, well she is a side kick to various characters, her story pretty much fan service and wall paper for other characters to push their story. She's only there to push their story along, while her story is wall paper...see how Storm American family was NEVER explored until a Black Panther writer did so (Mr. Hudlin).

It's funny that it took Black Panther writers (I include Mr. Mcduffie as a BP writer as he wrote him into a lot of his Marvel stuff), to finally have people focus on how important her kids could be, rather then the typical Summer-Grey line/dna being so special and great. See what I mean...Storm is just there for fan service to the fans that Vega talked about. All these years, how many stories have we had about Storm kids being important to the future?

She could have been there staring with him in NEW Avengers, as a female mover and shaker, Queen and leader of Mutants...Hickman wanted her. He liked the marriage and them together...but nah., the X-bagger bigots could not stand it. So all the way around he was doing more for her...and this last case, with her possibly starring in NEW Avengers... that didn't occur is another example.

If T'challa showed up in the X-verse, if he was a member of X-force and stuff like that I would agree. But Storm didn't bring much, she doesn't have fans that
are willing to support him. In contrast, a lot of Panther fans were willing to support her.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 07, 2012, 03:03:48 pm
I disagree Mitt Seven Romney what she brought was readers and visibility and interest and please don't pretend a handful of folks on a messageboard constitute her fanbase. And let's don't pretend she was chosen out of pure egalitarian reasons either, it was certainly in good part  for her audience and a lot of them came for a time anyway. Storm is the hottest chick in the game and that was certainly  a boon for him as well. Big time. I think him losing that is why a lot of folks are mad about the split more than concern for her.  She is going to be in at least three books and I think she will be fine with or without him as he will the same.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 07, 2012, 03:15:36 pm
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 07, 2012, 03:40:50 pm
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...

I'll say this; it's not very nice. :-X
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 07, 2012, 06:20:23 pm
I disagree Mitt Seven Romney what she brought was readers and visibility and interest and please don't pretend a handful of folks on a messageboard constitute her fanbase.
First, he didn't need Storm for visibility and interest! The Avengers franchise is far superior to Storm, who lacked the same visibility and interest so much that the top writers during the time, the biggest X-run from Morrison and Whedon did not feature Storm. That's a fact. She really didn't bring interest when the majority of her fans did not support the Black Panther. IF THEY DID they would still be married. Period. I don't know about the whole "Mitt Seven Romney" nonsense, that's crazy talk.  LOL :)

Storm bringing readers is laughable, since the same "readers" will not even support HER BOOKS or Mini's. As Mr. Yost said, Worlds Apart didn't sell well enough, so they are not giving her a solo. If she has all these 'readers' surely they would have brought her stuff right?  So how is she bringing all these readers? Most of the readers who came, were interested in the union between two high profile black characters...not just Storm. Give credit to Mr. Hudlin for know how to sale books...I don't think Storm was the main factor...and "Who's the Black Panther" and House of M issue sold every well without Storm. Again, if readers, visibility and interest is what was sought after...Storm isn't it...The Avengers is...being a part of events..like Mr. Hudlin getting them both in CW is it. Storm would not have been in the F4, CW, or other things without T'challa and Hudlin.



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And let's don't pretend she was chosen out of pure egalitarian reasons either, it was certainly in good part  for her audience and a lot of them came for a time anyway.

I'm not pretending, it's my opinion. But a lot of them did not come. Lots of them were haters, bashing Hudlin left and right, calling him sexist, racist and everything else. Reviewers, in comic shops...writing letters...etc...and yes they read them, Hickman was talking about receiving BP letters.


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Storm is the hottest chick in the game and that was certainly  a boon for him as well. Big time.
Storm isn't the hottest chick in the game (comics) anymore. They will not even give her a freaking solo book, but Red She Hulk, Ms. Marvel, X-23, Sif, Black Widow sure...not Storm. She not leading a team book anymore. There isn't a book focused on her. They didn't pick her to lead the X-men with Prof. X death, when she is the perfect choice! She has been basically wallpaper for a very long time. Rogue, Emma Frost, Captain Marvel, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Black Widow have all moved past her. I don't come from the premise that Storm is somehow better then T'challa, or that somehow she raised him up, when there is really little evidence of that occurring. She's not the same character from the 80's. Marvel seems to feel like T'challa is the character they want to grow. He's the one that is the central focus of a three year story line in the FlagShip NEW Avengers, he is the mega focus there. Storm "didn't build that" :D ;D :)

I will not sugar coat her portrayal, being in three books as a afterthought or to move another characters story along is pretty sad? Isn't she the 'hottest chick'? If so, then why doesn't she have these things? That's my argument. Apparently, she is not as highly looked at as some think, she's a faux-diversity too for X-comics. When will be see a book focused on her story? Wood X-men was killed after a few issues...she has been on Adjectiveless X-Men (written by Victor Gischler X-Men #1-29 )  for a while and tell me was there anything rememberable? He wrote about Jubes and Vampires, and Wood wrote 8 issues with Storm being a focus and they took it away.

Look at her portrayal in the X-men anime shown on G4. smh Emma treated like Storm should have been, Armor was treated more formidable then Storm was. This is a trend that isn't boiled down to 'being mad'...it's a fact of how they treat the so-called flagship female and the "hottest chick" out there. Truth is...she hasn't been that for a long time.

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I think him losing that is why a lot of folks are mad about the split more than concern for her.  She is going to be in at least three books and I think she will be fine with or without him as he will the same.
Not really, While you might think showing up in three books as a supporting character is fine and ok, I don't. If she is the "hottest chick in the game" then why not treat her like it? Wonder Woman does not have such issues...Storm?  It's not about T'challa, I don't want him with her anymore, she's a ball and chain as far as I'm concerned.. He's better off without all the baggage and drama. But I only post about why they were broken up, because it is damaging to her. We can debate that.

MY opinion is that she didn't bring anything to the table like some suggest. That's *my* opinion of the subject. You have yours that's fine...but T'challa really didn't need Storm for what you are saying. If that the case being in the Avengers is 1 million times better for interest and visibility. See Luke Cage...his time with the Avengers is a prime example of raising interest and visibility. Storm isn't. Again, If T'challa was staring in the X-men, showing up and if they supported the marriage sure...but they didn't. They through her under the bus even more then they were before the marriage.



T'challa is the one with the solo comics, the cartoon, etc. Not the other way around.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 07, 2012, 06:21:35 pm
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...

Storm X-board fans = Tea bag party aka tea baggers.

So I just call them X-baggers.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 07, 2012, 07:51:19 pm
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...

Storm X-board fans = Tea bag party aka tea baggers.

So I just call them X-baggers.

Sooo, we would be what BP-Baggers, BPaggers, or Bagger Ps?   ;)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 07, 2012, 08:17:33 pm
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...

Storm X-board fans = Tea bag party aka tea baggers.

So I just call them X-baggers.

Sooo, we would be what BP-Baggers, BPaggers, or Bagger Ps?   ;)

Not really. I don't see a lot of bigoted BP fans. Demonizing white characters because of their race.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 08, 2012, 12:31:10 am
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...

Storm X-board fans = Tea bag party aka tea baggers.

So I just call them X-baggers.

Sooo, we would be what BP-Baggers, BPaggers, or Bagger Ps?   ;)

Not really. I don't see a lot of bigoted BP fans. Demonizing white characters because of their race.

Yea, that's why I don't frequent other forums about crap like that.  I come here and Mod here cause it's not just BP and Storm, even though we have some Storm and BP Radicals here.  There has been some outrageous post about Storm at the HEF...nothing racist or anything just some crazy blindsided stuff IMHO.   ;)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 08, 2012, 05:43:35 am
I'm gonna need a definition of X-Bagger...

Storm X-board fans = Tea bag party aka tea baggers.

So I just call them X-baggers.

Sooo, we would be what BP-Baggers, BPaggers, or Bagger Ps?   ;)

Not really. I don't see a lot of bigoted BP fans. Demonizing white characters because of their race.

Yea, that's why I don't frequent other forums about crap like that.  I come here and Mod here cause it's not just BP and Storm, even though we have some Storm and BP Radicals here.  There has been some outrageous post about Storm at the HEF...nothing racist or anything just some crazy blindsided stuff IMHO.   ;)

You see it's not just about forums. When Mr. Mcduffie talked about "the Rule of Three" he wasn't talking about forums. When Mr. Hudlin said the comic industry is like the old south, he was talking about forums. Again, showing up in three books doesn't mean much if she is wallpaper, a supporting character that's just there as a device to move another characters story forward, Not her own. She was already showing in three books.... as wallpaper before this, lol.

Storm was in Adjectiveless X-Men (29 issues) as the leader and was a background character there for much of that run (until Wood's 8 issues). She was in Avengers as wallpaper-background character, probably the worst stint in Avengers history. Those are facts. While some others might think that great, there are others who don't. She was in Uncanny X-men as a afterthought, only there only to push forward the story of Scott Summers and the P5, which she was left out off of it. Those are facts. So while some fans are "Blindsided outrageous" others are flat out blind on some turn the other cheek imho.

It took Mr. Hudlin to finally explore her American American heritage after how many years, my question is why? Why did her most prominent writer attempt to write away her blackness, her Africanness? Why was it such a big problem to be with a man of color or two person of color together? Why is she always fainting in every animation, sans Mr. Hudlin's Black Panther cartoon? How come pointing these things out are problematic but not the actual damning stuff to the character? How come they pretty much buried her being a Queen and never showed her using her power as a Queen in anything?

None of this is outrageous. She really isn't the hottest chick at Marvel anymore, I'm sorry.  Suggesting that is off mark. Black Widow, Captain Marvel,  Psylocke, Rogue, Emma Frost, Jean Grey, and more are all female characters who are either staring in their own book or leading a ensemble title with them being the central focus.  Storm got that for freaking eight issues before they pulled the plug and pushed her back to supporting other characters.

I asked one creator why can't she even get a try at a solo. He said, they (as in Marvel) don't see her as a viable solo character, that she works best as a team character. That's cool, but then why not allow her to have a title like Red-She Hulk or Sif? Just think about that for a second. Red-freaking She Hulk as a solo title and not Storm.

Storm and Captain Marvel are really not much different either. Storm is a good hand to hand fighter...to my point of view is she is being screwed.

I talk straight and bluntly. I'm opinionated...my opinion is informed but it's also based off of facts.  I guess it's to each it's own. I guess Niki premise about crumbs is correct. If Storm is really the top female character, even in the top 10 at Marvel right now, it's really hard to tell.
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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 08, 2012, 06:00:19 am
At the end of the day Seven everything you say is merely your opinion no matter how strongly stated and no more valid than mine or anyone else's. It's not gospel but it is at times overbearing.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 08, 2012, 06:31:45 am
At the end of the day Seven everything you say is merely your opinion no matter how strongly stated and no more valid than mine or anyone else's. It's not gospel but it is at times overbearing.

Who said it was the gospel? I said it was my opinion and you have yours. I started this thread, and you tried to invalid my opinion. That's overbearing to me. But everything I have said is not opinion. I'm sorry you feel that way. But I also pointed out facts. 

No one is forcing you to read or post in this thread. It's that simple.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 08, 2012, 07:18:35 am
I'm done. I surrender the forum to you I'm out.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 08, 2012, 11:31:27 am
The other female heroes you mentioned DO seemed to be getting more love than Storm in the comics but on a popularity vote, I believe she is far more popular with the fans.   I remember when there were 3 or more x-Titles on the top ten retailer sales, now where are they, it takes an x-over and a Phoenix to put mutants back on the top.  Maybe if the books she is in now would get decent stories and writers (cough Bendis' All New X-Men) we would see more support for her.   ;)

Maybe they should have had Storm "at full potential" (don't get me started on that crazy ish) and solo Phoenix.  "Become a Goddess" and all powerful, then what will they do with her, the same thing they did with Phoenix, Blue Marvel and Sentry.  After that, I don't think she would get a Cosmic book.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on October 08, 2012, 11:53:10 am
One of the things I think they should do is launch a book called "Storm and the X-Men" and have Wolverine be on that team, being led by her. That way that might keep the book afloat sales-wise because Wolverine is in it, but Storm would also sort of have her own solo book. And in that book, they could keep building Storm's character up.

And since Marvel sees no problem with sticking Wolverine on multiple teams at the same time WHILE he also has his own solo, Wolverine appearing in Storm's book shouldn't be a problem.

And Seven, in one of these Black Panther threads you mentioned that with his current upgrade, T'Challa is like a demi-god...so if that is the case, and Marvel actually made Storm into an actual goddess (like it could be revealed that all of this time, Storm was actually right about being a goddess), you'd have two African characters in the same universe who would be a demi-god and a goddess...and if they ever got back together, their dynasty would be extraordinary.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 08, 2012, 12:15:47 pm
The other female heroes you mentioned DO seemed to be getting more love than Storm in the comics but on a popularity vote, I believe she is far more popular with the fans.   I remember when there were 3 or more x-Titles on the top ten retailer sales, now where are they, it takes an x-over and a Phoenix to put mutants back on the top.  Maybe if the books she is in now would get decent stories and writers (cough Bendis' All New X-Men) we would see more support for her.   ;)

Maybe they should have had Storm "at full potential" (don't get me started on that crazy ish) and solo Phoenix.  "Become a Goddess" and all powerful, then what will they do with her, the same thing they did with Phoenix, Blue Marvel and Sentry.  After that, I don't think she would get a Cosmic book.

Storm is more popular. But the Fantastic Four was the most popular team at Marvel once. Then the x-men were the most popular team once. Now the Avengers are. The same goes for characters. Black Widow and Captain (Ms.) Marvel will indeed surpass Storm in overall popularity if they keep treating her like this across the board. Widow is already a part of the biggest comic franchise and she was pretty badass in the big, where as Ms. Berry looks held Storm down, but the role was kinda weak.

Now they are adding Ms. Captain Marvel to Avengers 2 possibly. Add that to how they have already shown both of those characters in animation as being far stronger portrayals and the fact that they both have had solo comics, and Storm being shown in the most crappy way in the X-men anime written by Ellis, idk what to say.

I agree with your post, she doesn't need to be more powerful. She needs someone who cares enough to want to write her. Greg Pak is on record saying he wants to write a Storm Solo. Ask you self how come he isn't even allowed a shot are trying?...and this is more about my frustrations with how she is being treated in contrast with some other characters. Bendis might write her ok, but I thought the same with his Avengers and he wrote her badly. I'm sure Brian Hump will, Aaron might...but she still not the star of any of these, the best shot for anything is X-force, but it seems like they want to go backward with her characterization.  Even during the Adjectiveless X-Men (which I supported the entire run) she was only the star for 8 issues. There were issues Emma guest starred in the book and was the star of the arcs. That's really problematic.

There was some chances like that they just over looked her. Schism, they choose Wolverine over Storm. The same with the Phoenix Five, they left her off of that. She isn't on Uncanny Avengers because they choose a stupid storyline with her being a part of a attack on Wakanda. Even though Storm is one of the closest to professor X's dream, for some reason she is not leading in Marvel NOW.

Storm once beat Wonder Woman in a popularity contest. But I'm not sure she would right now. My view she should be treated like Wonder Woman. Instead, Captain Marvel is being treated that way. Woman Woman has a solo animated cartoon, she is getting a TV series worked on, a Movies worked on. Storm is being written off as a team character and they will not even try to give her a solo book. But Sif, Red She Hulk X-23, Captain Marvel all have them.

You been pushing Bendis All New X-men, I think he understand the disappointment with his Avengers showing of her. that book does look good. Maybe that will be the start of it. It's just time for her to finally get some love that these other characters are getting. The way Wood wrote her was fine.

Let her run her own agenda of Mutants, instead of following Scott, Logan or others.

Blue Marvel and Sentry got screwed because of Marvel/Miracle Man. There was a Hyperon sighting on Avengers #4. No word if he's on the team...but it's more likely that he's going to be turned bad. If not, then there is a valid complaint for me there. I say make Blue Marvel a SHIELD or SWORD special agent.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 08, 2012, 12:22:28 pm
One of the things I think they should do is launch a book called "Storm and the X-Men" and have Wolverine be on that team, being led by her. That way that might keep the book afloat sales-wise because Wolverine is in it, but Storm would also sort of have her own solo book. And in that book, they could keep building Storm's character up.

And since Marvel sees no problem with sticking Wolverine on multiple teams at the same time WHILE he also has his own solo, Wolverine appearing in Storm's book shouldn't be a problem.

And Seven, in one of these Black Panther threads you mentioned that with his current upgrade, T'Challa is like a demi-god...so if that is the case, and Marvel actually made Storm into an actual goddess (like it could be revealed that all of this time, Storm was actually right about being a goddess), you'd have two African characters in the same universe who would be a demi-god and a goddess...and if they ever got back together, their dynasty would be extraordinary.

Agreed. That's my point. I don't feel like everything has been all good with Storm. Wood's X-men was a bright spot and they took that away. Uncanny Avengers should have been Storm's, instead Havoc is leading it. Ok, but they could do a Storm and the X-men with Logan in it. But they will not.

Worlds Apart was called Storm: Worlds Apart...then marketing changed it to X-men: Worlds Apart. It's a trend with they way she is being treated. That's all I'm saying.

I'm really pissed that she would have been a member of the NEW Avengers, if all the crap in AvX didn't occur. I mean, she could have still been in All-New X-men and Wolverine and the X-men and NEW Avengers as Queen, Leader of the Mutants in the illuminati. To me that's better then mohawk Storm in X-force or being a teacher. I rather see her be a leader on par with Scott and Xavier rather then a follower.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on October 08, 2012, 06:10:24 pm
Storm has oodles of name recognition. She has been in 4 cartoons and 3 movies.
 
That is way more name recognition than Black Panther has.

But the thing is can Storm as well known as she is, carry a solo series?

If so how? Seriously I am asking.

There is a reason she has never been granted a solo book.

I mean, what does Storm DO when she isn't around the Xmen?

Wolverine does honor driven blood fueds. Dude is pretty much a spagetti western character in spandex. Gambit is a high end thief. Cable shoots people for a cause. Deadpool shoot people because he was paid to. Or because he feels like it. Bishop upheld law and order before he got heel turned.

The most popular solo acts have stuff that they do or are about that define them as individuals. So being dedicated to the Xmen doesn't really work as solo hook. You can say the same for every Xman nearly.

It'd be more interesting to read about the Xman that didnt give a crap about the group at all and was just there for the free room and board. At least that would be unique.

The new Captain Marvel series has spent 4 issues beating the readers over the head with the concept that she is a Pilot at heart. Maverick from Top Gun but with boobs ( and powers).

Storm for all her popularity, doesn't have the development to make her work as a solo character. This is actually something she has in common with Cyclops and most of the original Xmen.

Where Black Panther helped Storm was that the union automatically gave her a mission independent of the Xmen(defend Wakanda), a supporting cast (BP and the royal in laws)at the sam time.

Left purely to herself, I can only imagine a Storm solo book being something like Captain Planet, where she beats up on despoilers of the environment.

There is a reason she's never had a solo, I think.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 09, 2012, 05:54:34 am
Storm has oodles of name recognition. She has been in 4 cartoons and 3 movies.
 
That is way more name recognition than Black Panther has.

But the thing is can Storm as well known as she is, carry a solo series?

If so how? Seriously I am asking.

There is a reason she has never been granted a solo book.

I mean, what does Storm DO when she isn't around the Xmen?

Wolverine does honor driven blood fueds. Dude is pretty much a spagetti western character in spandex. Gambit is a high end thief. Cable shoots people for a cause. Deadpool shoot people because he was paid to. Or because he feels like it. Bishop upheld law and order before he got heel turned.

The most popular solo acts have stuff that they do or are about that define them as individuals. So being dedicated to the Xmen doesn't really work as solo hook. You can say the same for every Xman nearly.

It'd be more interesting to read about the Xman that didnt give a crap about the group at all and was just there for the free room and board. At least that would be unique.

The new Captain Marvel series has spent 4 issues beating the readers over the head with the concept that she is a Pilot at heart. Maverick from Top Gun but with boobs ( and powers).

Storm for all her popularity, doesn't have the development to make her work as a solo character. This is actually something she has in common with Cyclops and most of the original Xmen.

Where Black Panther helped Storm was that the union automatically gave her a mission independent of the Xmen(defend Wakanda), a supporting cast (BP and the royal in laws)at the sam time.

Left purely to herself, I can only imagine a Storm solo book being something like Captain Planet, where she beats up on despoilers of the environment.

There is a reason she's never had a solo, I think.

The disheartening truth...the question is why is there such a huge problem giving her development beyond that? Mr. Hudlin and Mcduffie both lay a path to the sort of mission independent of the X-men, but also one that totally propped her up as a possible movers and shaker...if writers choose to use it. They never did.

I always thought that she would have been the other part of "schism" before schism was known as schism, in place of Logan. While like Scott, at least Cyclops is a major x-verse mega plot mover. Storm is more popular then Cyclops too. It seems that they are doing tons more with him.

 I think solo's are overrated, a book with mega plot focus and with the said character being the central character is tons better. They will not even give her that...

Storm is a thief, like gambit. She was a Queen, she is a african tribal princess. A faux-goddess. She's also African American-but a outsider who doesn't know that side of the family. She is a good fighter in combat. She's a leader, WAS a wife...there is/was SO MUCH THERE.

She could have her own mission like rebuilding genoshia for the non-model looking mutants like the Morlocks...or the Newer mutants from AvX...where they could live in peace, while taking on governments with anti mutant agenda's, anti mutant factions not wanting a Wakanda-supported/connected mutant state.

She could have fought for Utopia's sovereignty, with her status as Queen. nope.

She could be in Africa doing things, and exploring that side of the MU. She could do the protecting mutants in Africa thing. I can think of a number of things.

With all the new mutants returning, she could be running her own Agenda, that would be very defining character development. Instead, because of her 'popularity' she put in books, similar to how Wolverine is put in books...only thing is Logan has other books where he is the central character and focus. And that's what matters, focus. She's one of the only "A-list" characters that is treated like this. It's bizarre.

You are right about the Captain Planet premise. That would be like reading a book about kicking rocks. But I can't make excuses for creators and editors, because they could try using their imagination to come up with a story. To me they are not even trying.

Storm is also a witch, she is mystical, tied to ancient egyptian mythos, tied to ancient african mythos. How about having a group of secret society witch hunters that want to wipe her blood line out? Now that I think about it, for a character with so much stuff, she is rather thin development wise.

You could even have groups trying to kill her because they would not want a mutant heir to Wakanda. It was baffling to me that this was never explored. Every anti mutant faction in the MU should have been on notice and scare out of their minds about that possibility. Maybe a Story about a group coming back in time trying to prevent that from occurring.

It's a real miss that she isn't doing her own thing right now. It could have been a ensamble book, with Storm running her own agenda. Wood's X-men seemed to be headed in that direction and they hood-winked people and pulled the plug. He was only set to write 8 issues...

So I agree with you. I just wonder why they don't try. It seems that stories that they could use with Storm, they end up picking another character.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 09, 2012, 11:25:30 am
I rather see her be a leader on par with Scott and Xavier rather then a follower.

I had to chuckle when I read that because now one of them is disgraced and the other one is dead.  (I know, you said you wish AvX didn't happen as the lead into this thought, but Cyclops has been a jerk for about five years and Xavier is an absent father. 

Storm on the Avengers will never work as long as Thor is alive and a member.  She joined during the three months he was dead.  It wouldn't have worked, because Thor will always be the nummber one Weather Controler on the Avengers.


If there is a time when he is not a member, then she has a chance. 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 09, 2012, 11:41:25 am
I rather see her be a leader on par with Scott and Xavier rather then a follower.

I had to chuckle when I read that because now one of them is disgraced and the other one is dead.  (I know, you said you wish AvX didn't happen as the lead into this thought, but Cyclops has been a jerk for about five years and Xavier is an absent father. 

Storm on the Avengers will never work as long as Thor is alive and a member.  She joined during the three months he was dead.  It wouldn't have worked, because Thor will always be the nummber one Weather Controler on the Avengers.


If there is a time when he is not a member, then she has a chance.

Indeed, but Storm right now, in her own words is a war criminal...a traitor, cheater and abusive spouse who sided with the person who ruined Wakanda. Sure Thor is and will always been the weather controler...but with all the 1 million Avengers teams, I don't think that should matter. They don't have to be on the same team. Thor isn't on Secret Avengers or New Avengers. Warmachine has no issue being on the Secret Avengers with Ironman being on the Avengers.

About leadership being on par with Scott and Professor X, sure they pretty much messed up. But I'm talking in function, impact and focus, rather then actual leadership or if there leadership is great. I view Storm on par with them function, impact. When you think leadership for the X-men, it's Professor X, Cyclops and Storm...not Wolverine.

For the record, I'm talking about her leading her own X-men. I don't think she should be a Avenger for the reasons you mention. Thor makes her pointless almost. Thor being on the Uncanny Avengers is kinda stupid...if you are talking about that..Storm fits far better...but Brevoort's excuse was what I mentioned above about being a war criminal and attacking T'challa publicly etc.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 09, 2012, 11:41:32 am
When it comes to solo books, DC runs the show, they had 10 books out of the top 20 featuring solo characters in the month of August.  Marvel had 1 and it wasn't Wolvering, it was Amazing Spider-Man.  When you get to the top 40, DC even adds Wonder Woman and Flash Annuals before any other Marvel solo books.  Marvel gets 1 more solo book and that's Ultimate Spider-Man. 

It's gonna take a hell of a story to make a good solo book for Storm, one that will sell.  Numbers keeps a book out in publication, Super-Girl, Bat-Girl, Bat-Woman, Wonder Woman, Cat-Woman all have numbers to keep them going.  Only Wonder Woman is on a team, maybe if Marvel calls her Storm-Girl or Storm Woman or take her out of a team permanently she might get sales with a fresh release.

Marvel has a hard time keeping the solo books they have up in sales.  Wolverine, Hulk, Davedevil, Captain America, Thor are all getting their ass kicked by the relaunch of DC and even after a year.  They should work on getting fresh ideas for their books now, hopefully Marvel NOW will bring more successful runs on their solo hero issues as well as bringing in new ones, a Storm may be brewing but I doubt it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kristopher on October 09, 2012, 12:16:50 pm
a Storm may be brewing but I doubt it.

I'm sure Valkyrie, Hellcat, Ms America Chavez and Moondragon  will have a series before Storm does.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on October 09, 2012, 01:20:04 pm
Storm has oodles of name recognition. She has been in 4 cartoons and 3 movies.
 
That is way more name recognition than Black Panther has.

But the thing is can Storm as well known as she is, carry a solo series?

If so how? Seriously I am asking.

There is a reason she has never been granted a solo book.

I mean, what does Storm DO when she isn't around the Xmen?

Wolverine does honor driven blood fueds. Dude is pretty much a spagetti western character in spandex. Gambit is a high end thief. Cable shoots people for a cause. Deadpool shoot people because he was paid to. Or because he feels like it. Bishop upheld law and order before he got heel turned.

The most popular solo acts have stuff that they do or are about that define them as individuals. So being dedicated to the Xmen doesn't really work as solo hook. You can say the same for every Xman nearly.

It'd be more interesting to read about the Xman that didnt give a crap about the group at all and was just there for the free room and board. At least that would be unique.

The new Captain Marvel series has spent 4 issues beating the readers over the head with the concept that she is a Pilot at heart. Maverick from Top Gun but with boobs ( and powers).

Storm for all her popularity, doesn't have the development to make her work as a solo character. This is actually something she has in common with Cyclops and most of the original Xmen.

Where Black Panther helped Storm was that the union automatically gave her a mission independent of the Xmen(defend Wakanda), a supporting cast (BP and the royal in laws)at the sam time.

Left purely to herself, I can only imagine a Storm solo book being something like Captain Planet, where she beats up on despoilers of the environment.

There is a reason she's never had a solo, I think.

The disheartening truth...the question is why is there such a huge problem giving her development beyond that? Mr. Hudlin and Mcduffie both lay a path to the sort of mission independent of the X-men, but also one that totally propped her up as a possible movers and shaker...if writers choose to use it. They never did.

I always thought that she would have been the other part of "schism" before schism was known as schism, in place of Logan. While like Scott, at least Cyclops is a major x-verse mega plot mover. Storm is more popular then Cyclops too. It seems that they are doing tons more with him.

 I think solo's are overrated, a book with mega plot focus and with the said character being the central character is tons better. They will not even give her that...

Storm is a thief, like gambit. She was a Queen, she is a african tribal princess. A faux-goddess. She's also African American-but a outsider who doesn't know that side of the family. She is a good fighter in combat. She's a leader, WAS a wife...there is/was SO MUCH THERE.

She could have her own mission like rebuilding genoshia for the non-model looking mutants like the Morlocks...or the Newer mutants from AvX...where they could live in peace, while taking on governments with anti mutant agenda's, anti mutant factions not wanting a Wakanda-supported/connected mutant state.

She could have fought for Utopia's sovereignty, with her status as Queen. nope.

She could be in Africa doing things, and exploring that side of the MU. She could do the protecting mutants in Africa thing. I can think of a number of things.

With all the new mutants returning, she could be running her own Agenda, that would be very defining character development. Instead, because of her 'popularity' she put in books, similar to how Wolverine is put in books...only thing is Logan has other books where he is the central character and focus. And that's what matters, focus. She's one of the only "A-list" characters that is treated like this. It's bizarre.

You are right about the Captain Planet premise. That would be like reading a book about kicking rocks. But I can't make excuses for creators and editors, because they could try using their imagination to come up with a story. To me they are not even trying.

Storm is also a witch, she is mystical, tied to ancient egyptian mythos, tied to ancient african mythos. How about having a group of secret society witch hunters that want to wipe her blood line out? Now that I think about it, for a character with so much stuff, she is rather thin development wise.

You could even have groups trying to kill her because they would not want a mutant heir to Wakanda. It was baffling to me that this was never explored. Every anti mutant faction in the MU should have been on notice and scare out of their minds about that possibility. Maybe a Story about a group coming back in time trying to prevent that from occurring.

It's a real miss that she isn't doing her own thing right now. It could have been a ensamble book, with Storm running her own agenda. Wood's X-men seemed to be headed in that direction and they hood-winked people and pulled the plug. He was only set to write 8 issues...

So I agree with you. I just wonder why they don't try. It seems that stories that they could use with Storm, they end up picking another character.

Well, the other part of it is that Storm is a blaster (and a high powered one) and not a puncher or a gun or knife person. She runs around blasting stuff. Marvel fans tend to gravitate towards the punchers, kickers and stabbers. Like Daredevil, Spider Man, Punisher and them.

Now, it’s not just her that has that particular issue. Look at Quasar. He is pretty much Marvel answer to Green Lantern. He mostly flies around space and blasts stuff. Quasar had one series that lasted for 75 issues but hasn’t had a chance since. But Nova keeps getting books. Why? He flies around space hitting stuff and when he got too powered up they went with a new Nova and are starting all over again.
   
I stress solo books because that is how DC and Marvel in the old days built their lines. Get a group of popular solo acts in one book and make a team out of it.
 
I guess the reason so many team books fail now is because there is no one person in any of these team books that the readers care enough about to get them to spend money on the book. So Marvel tries to fix the Avengers by putting Wolverine and Spider Man on the team. It is why Batman now HAS to be in the Justice League whatever else DC does.

A solo character won’t matter much if he isn’t in the larger plotline and a team book won’t work anymore without characters that the fans already like.

Storm kinda comes up short either way.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 09, 2012, 01:26:47 pm
When it comes to solo books, DC runs the show, they had 10 books out of the top 20 featuring solo characters in the month of August.  Marvel had 1 and it wasn't Wolvering, it was Amazing Spider-Man.  When you get to the top 40, DC even adds Wonder Woman and Flash Annuals before any other Marvel solo books.  Marvel gets 1 more solo book and that's Ultimate Spider-Man. 

It's gonna take a hell of a story to make a good solo book for Storm, one that will sell.  Numbers keeps a book out in publication, Super-Girl, Bat-Girl, Bat-Woman, Wonder Woman, Cat-Woman all have numbers to keep them going.  Only Wonder Woman is on a team, maybe if Marvel calls her Storm-Girl or Storm Woman or take her out of a team permanently she might get sales with a fresh release.

Marvel has a hard time keeping the solo books they have up in sales.  Wolverine, Hulk, Davedevil, Captain America, Thor are all getting their ass kicked by the relaunch of DC and even after a year.  They should work on getting fresh ideas for their books now, hopefully Marvel NOW will bring more successful runs on their solo hero issues as well as bringing in new ones, a Storm may be brewing but I doubt it.

Does she need a solo book? As I said before, a ensamble book with a character as the central focus is far better in this market. My question is why can't she even get that? They gave her freaking eight issues before they pulled the plug with the quickness. Her popularity doesn't seem to matter at all. Most Storm fans, X-baggers and Marriage Storm fans would say that Wood's X-men was a decent showing at the very least. So after they ended it, that put Storm in the same situation, however Psylocke is the center, the focus, the moral compass and leader of the book...Storm her supporting character.

They even had Storm as a supporting character to X-23.

I agree with Kris, those characters will have one before she does...Look at Sif.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 09, 2012, 01:32:38 pm
Storm has oodles of name recognition. She has been in 4 cartoons and 3 movies.
 
That is way more name recognition than Black Panther has.

But the thing is can Storm as well known as she is, carry a solo series?

If so how? Seriously I am asking.

There is a reason she has never been granted a solo book.

I mean, what does Storm DO when she isn't around the Xmen?

Wolverine does honor driven blood fueds. Dude is pretty much a spagetti western character in spandex. Gambit is a high end thief. Cable shoots people for a cause. Deadpool shoot people because he was paid to. Or because he feels like it. Bishop upheld law and order before he got heel turned.

The most popular solo acts have stuff that they do or are about that define them as individuals. So being dedicated to the Xmen doesn't really work as solo hook. You can say the same for every Xman nearly.

It'd be more interesting to read about the Xman that didnt give a crap about the group at all and was just there for the free room and board. At least that would be unique.

The new Captain Marvel series has spent 4 issues beating the readers over the head with the concept that she is a Pilot at heart. Maverick from Top Gun but with boobs ( and powers).

Storm for all her popularity, doesn't have the development to make her work as a solo character. This is actually something she has in common with Cyclops and most of the original Xmen.

Where Black Panther helped Storm was that the union automatically gave her a mission independent of the Xmen(defend Wakanda), a supporting cast (BP and the royal in laws)at the sam time.

Left purely to herself, I can only imagine a Storm solo book being something like Captain Planet, where she beats up on despoilers of the environment.

There is a reason she's never had a solo, I think.

The disheartening truth...the question is why is there such a huge problem giving her development beyond that? Mr. Hudlin and Mcduffie both lay a path to the sort of mission independent of the X-men, but also one that totally propped her up as a possible movers and shaker...if writers choose to use it. They never did.

I always thought that she would have been the other part of "schism" before schism was known as schism, in place of Logan. While like Scott, at least Cyclops is a major x-verse mega plot mover. Storm is more popular then Cyclops too. It seems that they are doing tons more with him.

 I think solo's are overrated, a book with mega plot focus and with the said character being the central character is tons better. They will not even give her that...

Storm is a thief, like gambit. She was a Queen, she is a african tribal princess. A faux-goddess. She's also African American-but a outsider who doesn't know that side of the family. She is a good fighter in combat. She's a leader, WAS a wife...there is/was SO MUCH THERE.

She could have her own mission like rebuilding genoshia for the non-model looking mutants like the Morlocks...or the Newer mutants from AvX...where they could live in peace, while taking on governments with anti mutant agenda's, anti mutant factions not wanting a Wakanda-supported/connected mutant state.

She could have fought for Utopia's sovereignty, with her status as Queen. nope.

She could be in Africa doing things, and exploring that side of the MU. She could do the protecting mutants in Africa thing. I can think of a number of things.

With all the new mutants returning, she could be running her own Agenda, that would be very defining character development. Instead, because of her 'popularity' she put in books, similar to how Wolverine is put in books...only thing is Logan has other books where he is the central character and focus. And that's what matters, focus. She's one of the only "A-list" characters that is treated like this. It's bizarre.

You are right about the Captain Planet premise. That would be like reading a book about kicking rocks. But I can't make excuses for creators and editors, because they could try using their imagination to come up with a story. To me they are not even trying.

Storm is also a witch, she is mystical, tied to ancient egyptian mythos, tied to ancient african mythos. How about having a group of secret society witch hunters that want to wipe her blood line out? Now that I think about it, for a character with so much stuff, she is rather thin development wise.

You could even have groups trying to kill her because they would not want a mutant heir to Wakanda. It was baffling to me that this was never explored. Every anti mutant faction in the MU should have been on notice and scare out of their minds about that possibility. Maybe a Story about a group coming back in time trying to prevent that from occurring.

It's a real miss that she isn't doing her own thing right now. It could have been a ensamble book, with Storm running her own agenda. Wood's X-men seemed to be headed in that direction and they hood-winked people and pulled the plug. He was only set to write 8 issues...

So I agree with you. I just wonder why they don't try. It seems that stories that they could use with Storm, they end up picking another character.

Well, the other part of it is that Storm is a blaster (and a high powered one) and not a puncher or a gun or knife person. She runs around blasting stuff. Marvel fans tend to gravitate towards the punchers, kickers and stabbers. Like Daredevil, Spider Man, Punisher and them.

Now, it’s not just her that has that particular issue. Look at Quasar. He is pretty much Marvel answer to Green Lantern. He mostly flies around space and blasts stuff. Quasar had one series that lasted for 75 issues but hasn’t had a chance since. But Nova keeps getting books. Why? He flies around space hitting stuff and when he got too powered up they went with a new Nova and are starting all over again.
   
I stress solo books because that is how DC and Marvel in the old days built their lines. Get a group of popular solo acts in one book and make a team out of it.
 
I guess the reason so many team books fail now is because there is no one person in any of these team books that the readers care enough about to get them to spend money on the book. So Marvel tries to fix the Avengers by putting Wolverine and Spider Man on the team. It is why Batman now HAS to be in the Justice League whatever else DC does.

A solo character won’t matter much if he isn’t in the larger plotline and a team book won’t work anymore without characters that the fans already like.

Storm kinda comes up short either way.

Indeed, but to me Storm is easier. No doubt that logic you are using is what the issues are. But Storm is and has been shown to be a good fighter. They could be sort of like Korra from the Avatar if they wanted! But the easy path is simply a different faction of X-men...some fans want to get back to the old school Professor X dream before they ruined it...

You could easily have 3 factions, Scott and his Brotherhood, Logan and his Jean school and Storm doing her own thing. But it looks like they are giving that to Psylocke...because she's doing her own thing with X-force.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 09, 2012, 02:24:46 pm
When she stayed with Scott's group, she should have been one of the P5 and SHE should have destroyed Wakanda...now THAT would have been a story!   ;)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 09, 2012, 02:39:27 pm
When she stayed with Scott's group, she should have been one of the P5 and SHE should have destroyed Wakanda...now THAT would have been a story!   ;)

Interesting, but ramifications....
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 09, 2012, 03:48:17 pm
When she stayed with Scott's group, she should have been one of the P5 and SHE should have destroyed Wakanda...now THAT would have been a story!   ;)

I agree with you totally.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 09, 2012, 06:57:34 pm
Indeed, but Storm right now, in her own words is a war criminal...a traitor, cheater and abusive spouse who sided with the person who ruined Wakanda. Sure Thor is and will always been the weather controler...but with all the 1 million Avengers teams, I don't think that should matter. They don't have to be on the same team. Thor isn't on Secret Avengers or New Avengers. Warmachine has no issue being on the Secret Avengers with Ironman being on the Avengers.
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For the record, I'm talking about her leading her own X-men. I don't think she should be a Avenger for the reasons you mention. Thor makes her pointless almost. Thor being on the Uncanny Avengers is kinda stupid...if you are talking about that..Storm fits far better...but Brevoort's excuse was what I mentioned above about being a war criminal and attacking T'challa publicly etc.

Actually War Machine has been pretty much pointless on Secret Avengers.  If you didn't remind me he was there, I would have forgotten he has been in the book since the beginning. 

Uncanny Avengers with Storm;  with a different group of Avengers; maybe,  It's definitely not the mixature I would have put together.  But realistically, is Cap going to put one of his best friend's ex leading any team.  Besides, as far as Cap's concern, she's the Avenger who quit the team in 3 seconds when AvX started.   I could see where Cap isn't a fan of hers any more.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 10, 2012, 05:28:38 am
Indeed, but Storm right now, in her own words is a war criminal...a traitor, cheater and abusive spouse who sided with the person who ruined Wakanda. Sure Thor is and will always been the weather controler...but with all the 1 million Avengers teams, I don't think that should matter. They don't have to be on the same team. Thor isn't on Secret Avengers or New Avengers. Warmachine has no issue being on the Secret Avengers with Ironman being on the Avengers.
.....

For the record, I'm talking about her leading her own X-men. I don't think she should be a Avenger for the reasons you mention. Thor makes her pointless almost. Thor being on the Uncanny Avengers is kinda stupid...if you are talking about that..Storm fits far better...but Brevoort's excuse was what I mentioned above about being a war criminal and attacking T'challa publicly etc.

Actually War Machine has been pretty much pointless on Secret Avengers.  If you didn't remind me he was there, I would have forgotten he has been in the book since the beginning. 

Uncanny Avengers with Storm;  with a different group of Avengers; maybe,  It's definitely not the mixature I would have put together.  But realistically, is Cap going to put one of his best friend's ex leading any team.  Besides, as far as Cap's concern, she's the Avenger who quit the team in 3 seconds when AvX started.   I could see where Cap isn't a fan of hers any more.

Agreed. Her Avengers was a embarrassment. Sure about War Machine, since the book was first about Cap, then R.R took over. But agreed totally with this post.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 10, 2012, 10:25:11 am
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2012/10/uxforce2012001covcol.jpg)

Look interesting. Mohawk Storm is back.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Blanks on October 10, 2012, 11:38:13 am
That Bishop in the background?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 10, 2012, 11:47:43 am
That Bishop in the background?
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Yeah, they they are *hunting* him.  :) smh. I can't believe, no yes I can. But yeah, so instead of killing him, depowering him, they just turned him into a real bad guy with no grey area, unlike a Cyclops who most consider right. The most prominent black male X-man, a mass murderer and evil. Per the writers words...he's now totally different, so our Bishop is dead basically.

Read AvX: Consequences, and it basically supported my argument. There is no way Storm is saying in Bendis All-New X-men or Aaron's Wolverine and the X-men. Not going to spoil, but once you read it you will understand. And I will double down on how this whole thing is pretty sad, for the only black female hero at Marvel with any clout or support. Or you can read the previews, what Storm says about herself in Wakanda is basically true.



Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 10, 2012, 11:58:00 am
If that's Spiral, I'm all on this!  Guess they will need her for transportation.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on October 10, 2012, 05:25:13 pm
I rather see her be a leader on par with Scott and Xavier rather then a follower.

I had to chuckle when I read that because now one of them is disgraced and the other one is dead.  (I know, you said you wish AvX didn't happen as the lead into this thought, but Cyclops has been a jerk for about five years and Xavier is an absent father. 

Storm on the Avengers will never work as long as Thor is alive and a member.  She joined during the three months he was dead.  It wouldn't have worked, because Thor will always be the nummber one Weather Controler on the Avengers.


If there is a time when he is not a member, then she has a chance.

Indeed, but Storm right now, in her own words is a war criminal...a traitor, cheater and abusive spouse who sided with the person who ruined Wakanda. Sure Thor is and will always been the weather controler...but with all the 1 million Avengers teams, I don't think that should matter. They don't have to be on the same team. Thor isn't on Secret Avengers or New Avengers. Warmachine has no issue being on the Secret Avengers with Ironman being on the Avengers.

About leadership being on par with Scott and Professor X, sure they pretty much messed up. But I'm talking in function, impact and focus, rather then actual leadership or if there leadership is great. I view Storm on par with them function, impact. When you think leadership for the X-men, it's Professor X, Cyclops and Storm...not Wolverine.

For the record, I'm talking about her leading her own X-men. I don't think she should be a Avenger for the reasons you mention. Thor makes her pointless almost. Thor being on the Uncanny Avengers is kinda stupid...if you are talking about that..Storm fits far better...but Brevoort's excuse was what I mentioned above about being a war criminal and attacking T'challa publicly etc.

Brevoort used that excuse about Storm being a war criminal so she cannot be on an Avengers team, but Namor is on an Avengers team? I'd like to hear Brevoort explain why Storm can't, but Namor can.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 10, 2012, 07:31:14 pm
I rather see her be a leader on par with Scott and Xavier rather then a follower.

I had to chuckle when I read that because now one of them is disgraced and the other one is dead.  (I know, you said you wish AvX didn't happen as the lead into this thought, but Cyclops has been a jerk for about five years and Xavier is an absent father. 

Storm on the Avengers will never work as long as Thor is alive and a member.  She joined during the three months he was dead.  It wouldn't have worked, because Thor will always be the nummber one Weather Controler on the Avengers.


If there is a time when he is not a member, then she has a chance.

Indeed, but Storm right now, in her own words is a war criminal...a traitor, cheater and abusive spouse who sided with the person who ruined Wakanda. Sure Thor is and will always been the weather controler...but with all the 1 million Avengers teams, I don't think that should matter. They don't have to be on the same team. Thor isn't on Secret Avengers or New Avengers. Warmachine has no issue being on the Secret Avengers with Ironman being on the Avengers.

About leadership being on par with Scott and Professor X, sure they pretty much messed up. But I'm talking in function, impact and focus, rather then actual leadership or if there leadership is great. I view Storm on par with them function, impact. When you think leadership for the X-men, it's Professor X, Cyclops and Storm...not Wolverine.

For the record, I'm talking about her leading her own X-men. I don't think she should be a Avenger for the reasons you mention. Thor makes her pointless almost. Thor being on the Uncanny Avengers is kinda stupid...if you are talking about that..Storm fits far better...but Brevoort's excuse was what I mentioned above about being a war criminal and attacking T'challa publicly etc.

Brevoort used that excuse about Storm being a war criminal so she cannot be on an Avengers team, but Namor is on an Avengers team? I'd like to hear Brevoort explain why Storm can't, but Namor can.

Well, he's right. I will explain it to you.

First, Namor was a Avenger on more then one occasion. He's more Avenger then X-man imho. He has diplomatic immunity, for example...Storm doesn't, T'challa revoked it, when he annulled the marriage after she attacked him. They are looking for Namor and he is in hiding, he's wanted. A war criminal.  Atlantis is denying that they know where he is at. All X-tinction team members including Namor are wanted! Everyone.

The biggest difference is NEW Avengers is not a traditional team.  It's not a team out front and center or public like THE Avengers or Uncanny Avengers. It's the Illuminati. They are not out front and center...they work from the shadows and Namor is a member of the illuminati with a infinity gem!

Storm couldn't be in the Illuminati, because she is not considered a leader anymore. Real talk.  If you read today's issue, they made it loud and clear that they don't consider her one. They choose Havoc...Beast was chosen to rep Mutants/X-men, not Storm. Queen Storm would be perfect for the Illuminati, but mohawk-follower Storm, not so much.

I know folks are going around making a comparison, but there isn't one. This is Namor exit from the X-office, while Storm being doubled down upon to stay there.

If Namor joined the public teams like Uncanny Avengers or THE Avengers, I would agree. But the Illuminati is totally different and they are trying to face a extinction level event that makes AvX look like nothing, so after T'challa kicks Namor ass...they will move on to stopping the problem. But as Hickman pointed out...this isn't a team like the others...a lot of them don't like each other.

In fact, Storm is in the All-New X-men book and Wolverine and the X-men despite being wanted and the war criminal. Truthfully, I don't think Brevoort is fond of X-bagger logic, the drama that comes with it and so she will not be a Avenger. 




Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2012, 01:17:39 pm
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Asked about female-lead series, Alonso and Brevoort both said they are editing series that they're not yet ready to announce. He said he wants to build series that will last, and there's a third series that may be on the horizon with a strong female lead.
---NYCC/CBR

Hopefully Storm will be one of these leads. 3 books...she should at least get a shot.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on October 12, 2012, 02:56:39 pm
At the end of the day Seven everything you say is merely your opinion no matter how strongly stated and no more valid than mine or anyone else's. It's not gospel but it is at times overbearing.

The truth is usually "overbearing" to the willingly blind and deluded. :smh:

Storm has been downgraded to a town called Nowheresville status so it doesn't frak'ing matter how many X-books she appears in now.

She's a non-factor and utter nobody now.


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2012, 03:04:49 pm
At the end of the day Seven everything you say is merely your opinion no matter how strongly stated and no more valid than mine or anyone else's. It's not gospel but it is at times overbearing.

The truth is usually "overbearing" to the willingly blind and deluded. :smh:

Storm has been downgraded to a town called Nowheresville status so it doesn't frak'ing matter how many X-books she appears in now.

She's a non-factor and utter nobody now.

What up Maj.

Well today we find out that Storm's role is being the non-killer on X-force, with a mohawk. Even the editors said that Uncanny X-force with Rick Reminder was a Psylocke book, so it no wonder she is getting the push. She, like Rogue was getting the push all this time, while Storm was being held back.

If you read Hickman's Fantastic Four and FF, Sue Storm was pretty awesome. She became Regent and Queen of Old Atlantis. She's more Queen the Storm was allowed to me outside of Hudlin and Mcduffie! That's very telling. Not only that, but Sue Storm also is the person that holds the F4 together, she is the administrator of  F4/FF.

That fact that Hickman wanted to use her and they choose to have her be a mohawk-follower-non-killer on a killing team is pretty sad.

I'm sorry about P, but I said in every point that it was my opinion. I hope she comes back, but my opinion is backed up by facts. We will see if she is one of the characters for the new comics. If not then something is wrong.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on October 12, 2012, 03:08:54 pm
At the end of the day Seven everything you say is merely your opinion no matter how strongly stated and no more valid than mine or anyone else's. It's not gospel but it is at times overbearing.

The truth is usually "overbearing" to the willingly blind and deluded. :smh:

Storm has been downgraded to a town called Nowheresville status so it doesn't frak'ing matter how many X-books she appears in now.

She's a non-factor and utter nobody now.

What up Maj.

Well today we find out that Storm's role is being the non-killer on X-force, with a mohawk. Even the editors said that Uncanny X-force with Rick Reminder was a Psylocke book, so it no wonder she is getting the push. She, like Rogue was getting the push all this time, while Storm was being held back.

If you read Hickman's Fantastic Four and FF, Sue Storm was pretty awesome. She became Regent and Queen of Old Atlantis. She's more Queen the Storm was allowed to me outside of Hudlin and Mcduffie! That's very telling. Not only that, but Sue Storm also is the person that holds the F4 together, she is the administrator of  F4/FF.

That fact that Hickman wanted to use her and they choose to have her be a mohawk-follower-non-killer on a killing team is pretty sad.

What up Umbra/Seven?

I'm just so totally laughing at the BP/Storm marriage haters and their enablers now.

Being a background lackey in three X-books was more preferable to them than her being a bonafide Queen with serious clout in the BP mythos.

Sheer lunacy.

frak em' all!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2012, 03:16:55 pm
Agreed. I just don't get it. Just looking at it logically.

Aside from that, After what she did in AvX, now they are going to have her hunt Bishop? That to me is wow.

I don't want T'challa in 5 books, pushing the story of another character forward. I rather have him in one book, with meta plot clout and focus, immune to cancellation, where he is the star character.

My question is, if Storm is truly "A" List, how come she is treated like this? Being A-list will not last forever. Maybe with the crowd that read books back in the 80's, but the new crowd...She's not A-list. Everyone I know that not a comic reader calls her weak, based off of her showings on the movies and cartoons.

Compare that with how Black Widow has been shown. How Emma Frost was shown in the anime. How Ms. Marvel was shown in Avengers EMH. Same with Black Widow.

Other then Hudlin's Black Panther, she was never been shown powerful without fainting or some crap.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on October 12, 2012, 03:19:51 pm
Agreed. I just don't get it. Just looking at it logically.

Aside from that, After what she did in AvX, now they are going to have her hunt Bishop? That to me is wow.

I don't want T'challa in 5 books, pushing the story of another character forward. I rather have him in one book, with meta plot clout and focus, immune to cancellation, where he is the star character.

My question is, if Storm is truly "A" List, how come she is treated like this? Being A-list will not last forever. Maybe with the crowd that read books back in the 80's, but the new crowd...She's not A-list. Everyone I know that not a comic reader calls her weak, based off of her showings on the movies and cartoons.

Compare that with how Black Widow has been shown. How Emma Frost was shown in the anime. How Ms. Marvel was shown in Avengers EMH. Same with Black Widow.

Other then Hudlin's Black Panther, she was never been shown powerful without fainting or some crap.

The haters get the Storm they deserve.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2012, 03:21:24 pm
Agreed. I just don't get it. Just looking at it logically.

Aside from that, After what she did in AvX, now they are going to have her hunt Bishop? That to me is wow.

I don't want T'challa in 5 books, pushing the story of another character forward. I rather have him in one book, with meta plot clout and focus, immune to cancellation, where he is the star character.

My question is, if Storm is truly "A" List, how come she is treated like this? Being A-list will not last forever. Maybe with the crowd that read books back in the 80's, but the new crowd...She's not A-list. Everyone I know that not a comic reader calls her weak, based off of her showings on the movies and cartoons.

Compare that with how Black Widow has been shown. How Emma Frost was shown in the anime. How Ms. Marvel was shown in Avengers EMH. Same with Black Widow.

Other then Hudlin's Black Panther, she was never been shown powerful without fainting or some crap.

The haters get the Storm they deserve.

Agreed. This reminds me of T'challa's Avenger area that started with Roy Thomas and didn't stop until the freaking late 90's with Priest.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 12, 2012, 05:36:32 pm
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My question is, if Storm is truly "A" List, how come she is treated like this? Being A-list will not last forever. Maybe with the crowd that read books back in the 80's, but the new crowd...She's not A-list. Everyone I know that not a comic reader calls her weak, based off of her showings on the movies and cartoons.

psssh hey she never was
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 14, 2012, 07:56:16 pm
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Remender said that his own six-person Uncanny Avengers roster is "Crackerfest 2012," but he wasn't able to get Brother Voodoo or Storm for his series because they were otherwise occupied. He noted that his new villains come from all over the world, and said, "We have some new members coming up in Uncanny that will change it up a little."

Now, I don't care what anyone says...that's a loss. Uncanny Avengers is a flagship meta-plot moving Avengers book. For whatever reason or excuse, she was left off...once again a title with A-list artist and writer who wanted to use her.
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Rick Remender said, "Kang is a giant player in what I'm doing and in what Jonathan is doing and will be a major player in the Marvel Universe." Specifically in relation to Uncanny Avengers, he noted, "Standing in between Apocalypse and Red Skull is Kang/Rama Tut/Immortus."

Hickman also said he wanted to use her...she would have been in the Illuminati Avengers as a Queen and leader of mutants.

I like Brian Humphries, though. He's a good writer...his uncanny is gonna have RR Uncanny fans hating and also the other Cable X-force team to compete with.


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: The Cat on October 17, 2012, 03:42:03 pm
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201301/WOLVXMEN2012024cov.jpg)

The horror continues...  ???
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 17, 2012, 04:14:51 pm
([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201301/WOLVXMEN2012024cov.jpg[/url])

The horror continues...  ???


Wow...smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on October 17, 2012, 07:05:09 pm
Agreed. I just don't get it. Just looking at it logically.

Aside from that, After what she did in AvX, now they are going to have her hunt Bishop? That to me is wow.

I don't want T'challa in 5 books, pushing the story of another character forward. I rather have him in one book, with meta plot clout and focus, immune to cancellation, where he is the star character.

My question is, if Storm is truly "A" List, how come she is treated like this? Being A-list will not last forever. Maybe with the crowd that read books back in the 80's, but the new crowd...She's not A-list. Everyone I know that not a comic reader calls her weak, based off of her showings on the movies and cartoons.

Compare that with how Black Widow has been shown. How Emma Frost was shown in the anime. How Ms. Marvel was shown in Avengers EMH. Same with Black Widow.

Other then Hudlin's Black Panther, she was never been shown powerful without fainting or some crap.

I think  the best showing of Storm right now is in the "X-men" book that too me is how Storm should be written on a consistent basis. In the last issues an argument between her andcollousus got physical and she owned him!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on October 17, 2012, 07:20:40 pm
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Well THAT didn't take long.


This is kind of what Storm does in the Xbooks. One minute she is one some noble windrider gig, the next she is a wild eyed warrior and after that she's the jumpoff for a popular Xman.

Business as usual.

I'm more pissed off at Bishop turning heel than this.

After all, most of us saw this coming.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 17, 2012, 07:38:36 pm
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Well THAT didn't take long.


This is kind of what Storm does in the Xbooks. One minute she is one some noble windrider gig, the next she is a wild eyed warrior and after that she's the jumpoff for a popular Xman.

Business as usual.

I'm more pissed off at Bishop turning heel than this.

After all, most of us saw this coming.

Pretty much...that's part of the reason I started this thread, but we have been saying this for a few years...starting with the end of Doomwar...

On Jason Aaron's FB Page, he says that T'challa will show up at the X-school and he's writing the A + X issue. Idk, but I agree...the Bishop crap really pisses me off...salt on the wound to have Storm hunting him down like a dog. smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 17, 2012, 08:13:50 pm
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Someday, maybe. For now, look for A + X #4 where I do a Storm/Black Panther story. And expect to see T'Challa on occasion in WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN.

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I'd say it's always best to reserve judgement on a story until you've actually read it.
---Jason Aaron on writing Black Panther again and T'challa actually showing up in the X-verse. Say what?


Look, As long as T'challa is shinning. I'm good. T'challa is the leader of the most powerful team in MU and the leader of the world basically, because the New Avengers run it.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on October 17, 2012, 08:47:58 pm
I have an idea.

Step 1: Does anyone know how to photoshop that image of Storm kissing Wolverine so that it becomes a picture of Storm kissing the Black Panther?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on October 17, 2012, 09:01:01 pm
I have an idea.

Step 1: Does anyone know how to photoshop that image of Storm kissing Wolverine so that it becomes a picture of Storm kissing the Black Panther?

Not realy, but I wish I did, if for no other reason but to troll the haters.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on October 17, 2012, 09:09:10 pm
Ehh to be honest doing that would just make us look butthurt imo.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 17, 2012, 09:22:45 pm
Ehh to be honest doing that would just make us look butthurt imo.

Agreed.
Storm is appearing in a lot of different books, supporting character and kissing Wolverine.
T'challa is leading the mega plot moving NEW Avengers in Marvel FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on October 17, 2012, 09:40:48 pm
Ehh to be honest doing that would just make us look butthurt imo.

Agreed.
Storm is appearing in a lot of different books, supporting character and kissing Wolverine.
T'challa is leading the mega plot moving NEW Avengers in Marvel FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE.

Exactly. We've already come out on top.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on October 17, 2012, 09:45:15 pm
Ehh to be honest doing that would just make us look butthurt imo.

Not really...we're not butthurt, we would be doing it to make a point...a point that Marvel has not made yet. So we'd be making the point for them. "Marvel, instead of showing us THAT...why don't you show us THIS? THIS is what we want to see."

It's all in how you use the photoshopped image.

If Marvel had ever given us a cover showing Storm and the Black Panther kissing, then there would be no need for a photoshopped image of them kissing. But since Marvel has never given us that cover (yet), then we would have to do the next best thing (fake a cover and send it to them, saying, "We'd like to see more of THIS").

It would be no different then sending them a letter, really. This time it would be a visual, and as we all know, visuals can be a very powerful thing.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 17, 2012, 10:45:15 pm
I don't know man. I say let go.

If it occurs it does, if not it doesn't. At this point it's all out of our control.

ONE WAY that Marvel would get the message is IF A+X  starring Storm and Panther sold out.

Instead fans complain and moan on message boards and that will not matter...sales do. So focus on that instead of pictures. If every issue they are together sells...Marvel will put them back together.

But like I said, at this point the characters are headed in two different directions, two different trajectories.
Fans of the Black Panther need to support New Avengers, period. T'challa is the center piece of a book that is the mega plot mover of the MU main franchise. Not Avengers proper, but New Avengers.

Just my two bucks and 20 cent.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on October 18, 2012, 09:30:25 am
I don't know man. I say let go.

If it occurs it does, if not it doesn't. At this point it's all out of our control.

ONE WAY that Marvel would get the message is IF A+X  starring Storm and Panther sold out.

Instead fans complain and moan on message boards and that will not matter...sales do. So focus on that instead of pictures. If every issue they are together sells...Marvel will put them back together.

But like I said, at this point the characters are headed in two different directions, two different trajectories.
Fans of the Black Panther need to support New Avengers, period. T'challa is the center piece of a book that is the mega plot mover of the MU main franchise. Not Avengers proper, but New Avengers.

Just my two bucks and 20 cent.

I agree 100%
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kristopher on October 18, 2012, 10:08:09 am
I have an idea.

Step 1: Does anyone know how to photoshop that image of Storm kissing Wolverine so that it becomes a picture of Storm kissing the Black Panther?


Sure, I could do it, but it's not worth the time. If this is how Marvel wants to whore out Storm, then so be it. She belongs to "them" anyway. I have my own (better)characters to work on.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: panther0123 on October 18, 2012, 10:08:50 am
I have an idea.

Step 1: Does anyone know how to photoshop that image of Storm kissing Wolverine so that it becomes a picture of Storm kissing the Black Panther?

Not realy, but I wish I did, if for no other reason but to troll the haters.

there is already that picture in avx vs 5 before she cheapshotted him
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Blanks on October 18, 2012, 11:51:07 am
I will REDRAW the image of Storm kissing T'Challa. But... I kinda don't care anymore.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on October 18, 2012, 12:06:07 pm
What I don't understand is T'Challa and Storm are supposed to be DONE. So what possible reason could T'challa have for showing up at Logan's school "on occasion".........
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2012, 06:08:21 am
What I don't understand is T'Challa and Storm are supposed to be DONE. So what possible reason could T'challa have for showing up at Logan's school "on occasion".........

Who knows...but Blanks, Shady and Kris pretty much sum it up. Making a picture does nothing...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on October 19, 2012, 08:09:47 am
Ehh to be honest doing that would just make us look butthurt imo.

Agreed.
Storm is appearing in a lot of different books, supporting character and kissing Wolverine.
T'challa is leading the mega plot moving NEW Avengers in Marvel FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE.

In the "adding insult to injury department" I just saw this tidbit on CBR an interview with Rick Remainder about Uncanny Avengers:

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CA: Were there any characters that you wanted for the team that you didn't get to use?

RR: Yeah. When I was grabbing for characters, Storm and Brother Voodoo were on my list, but unfortunately they both played too many roles in other places. They were the two that I didn't get, but there are still three more characters to be announced in issue 5.

So Hawkeye can appear in 4 comics monthly but Storm is relegated to 2 Xbooks?

Nice job Storm Fans!!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2012, 09:39:48 am
Ehh to be honest doing that would just make us look butthurt imo.

Agreed.
Storm is appearing in a lot of different books, supporting character and kissing Wolverine.
T'challa is leading the mega plot moving NEW Avengers in Marvel FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE.


In the "adding insult to injury department" I just saw this tidbit on CBR an interview with Rick Remainder about Uncanny Avengers:

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CA: Were there any characters that you wanted for the team that you didn't get to use?

RR: Yeah. When I was grabbing for characters, Storm and Brother Voodoo were on my list, but unfortunately they both played too many roles in other places. They were the two that I didn't get, but there are still three more characters to be announced in issue 5.

So Hawkeye can appear in 4 comics monthly but Storm is relegated to 2 Xbooks?

Nice job Storm Fans!!!

Agreed. It's really a sad state of affairs. They have this "cut off nose to spite the face"  mindset going on.

NEW AVENGERS and Uncanny Avengers > RR-less Uncanny X-force, ANXM and W&TXM.

But I don't see why she has to be limited to just those other books...especially when the top two current Marvel writers wanted to USE HER. smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kimoyo on October 19, 2012, 10:35:37 am
Remender wrote a kick-ass Brother er um Doctor Voodoo!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2012, 11:01:50 am
Remender wrote a kick-ass Brother er um Doctor Voodoo!

Peace,

Mont
Yeah, and now they are making him a bad guy....smh..or at least his brother. So it's a double whamy...dead and his brother is bad. smfh.

Fans kinda let the book down over the Doom thing...problem is Doom is extremely powerful...it was better to have Voodoo built up, first then have him take him down.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JLI Jesse on October 19, 2012, 11:58:39 am
So Hawkeye can appear in 4 comics monthly but Storm is relegated to 2 Xbooks?

But is that just due to the character being in Avengers, and being one of the biggest movies ever?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 19, 2012, 12:14:15 pm
So Hawkeye can appear in 4 comics monthly but Storm is relegated to 2 Xbooks?

But is that just due to the character being in Avengers, and being one of the biggest movies ever?

I believe so, hell get the X-Movie franchise back to Marvel and we'd see her in more of her.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2012, 01:02:56 pm
So Hawkeye can appear in 4 comics monthly but Storm is relegated to 2 Xbooks?

But is that just due to the character being in Avengers, and being one of the biggest movies ever?

No, Hawkeye was showing up in lots of stuff before that. He also has had more limited series in recent times then Storm.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2012, 02:34:48 pm
The State of Black-ness at Marvel.
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Alonso: Nsiops, we’re going to continue to feature characters of every stripe throughout the Marvel line, as has historically been our policy. Whether it’s Black Panther at the forefront of "New Avengers," Nick Fury at the head of "Secret Avengers," the Falcon, Sunspot and a few surprises featured in "Avengers," Storm in "Wolverine and the X-Men," "Uncanny X-Force," and a series I can’t talk about yet, Miles Morales as the one-and-only Spider-Man of the Ultimate universe, there’s a variety of African American, African and Afro-Hispanic characters playing important roles in our books. Oh, [X-Men Group Editor] Nick Lowe is frantically urging me not to forgot Oya, who’ll continue to be one of the main characters in "Wolverine and the X-Men," or a certain formerly Jheri-curled mutant who’s bound to turn up somewhere sooner or later.

Looks like Storm might get the solo that folks have been asking for!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on October 19, 2012, 04:21:31 pm
what I say, what I say!!!   ;D
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2012, 07:35:48 pm
what I say, what I say!!!   ;D

I just noticed that gif. LMAO, wtf. haha.

Idk, I will wait and see...it could be that, or it could be a another supporting role. I still would like Marvel to bring back Uncanny X-men and make that the Storm book, otherwise I'm not sure it will last, Marvel NOW is going to be just as harsh as New 52, watch. That's the reason I'm happy that T'challa is with the NEW Avengers for 3-4 years at least.

Look at the solos currently, they are not real world beaters.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mastrmynd on October 20, 2012, 09:54:22 am
Who's the Jheri curled character that he's talking about?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 20, 2012, 10:13:01 am
Who's the Jheri curled character that he's talking about?

Bishop, I think?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 20, 2012, 11:54:49 am
So while  T'Challa is still literally pulling dead babies from the rubble they have Storm off doing Logan. That is so stupid.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on October 21, 2012, 02:18:27 am
So while  T'Challa is still literally pulling dead babies from the rubble they have Storm off doing Logan. That is so stupid.

I'm confused.

I thought you'd be happy with this.  ???
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 21, 2012, 05:13:43 am
So while  T'Challa is still literally pulling dead babies from the rubble they have Storm off doing Logan. That is so stupid.

I'm confused.

I thought you'd be happy with this.  ???


It is somewhat complicated perhaps. I am a fan of both BP and Storm but with all her stuff I feel maybe he is better off without her. On the other hand as a fan of Storm she is the preeminent WoC in the comics and this demeans and lessens her. This is Starfire behavior. She needs to have a proper period of mourning for HER dead people in Wakanda and make things right between her and T'Challa and he her before either move on.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 21, 2012, 05:24:15 am
This is like one of your cousins shows up at your husband's family home during family reunion, murders his near kin and burns down the house and when your husband is angry you decide oh well and screw an old classmate.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on October 21, 2012, 07:07:35 am
So while  T'Challa is still literally pulling dead babies from the rubble they have Storm off doing Logan. That is so stupid.

I'm confused.

I thought you'd be happy with this.  ???


It is somewhat complicated perhaps. I am a fan of both BP and Storm but with all her stuff I feel maybe he is better off without her. On the other hand as a fan of Storm she is the preeminent WoC in the comics and this demeans and lessens her. This is Starfire behavior. She needs to have a proper period of mourning for HER dead people in Wakanda and make things right between her and T'Challa and he her before either move on.

But with the way the writers are portraying her, they're not showing her having any empathy for the Wakandan's at all.

They wrote Storm dropping everything to go hang with the X-Men at the begininig of AvX and followed through with her assault on T'Challa and uninvited incursion onto Wakandan with an X-Tinction team.

The X-Writers purposefully wrote an insurmountable wedge between T'Challa and Storm with the ful support of Marvel editorial.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 21, 2012, 08:41:16 am
Thing is that was the plan from the start. They needed a proper excuse to end the marriage and this "event" was it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on October 21, 2012, 09:14:20 am
Thing is that was the plan from the start. They needed a proper excuse to end the marriage and this "event" was it.

That was pretty much obvious but it didn't make anymore sense regardless.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 21, 2012, 10:32:45 am
Well, I agree with all the points that said by Bmore, Salustrade and Princesa.

Salustrade/Maj, yo that is a very good observation bro. I will say that she was sad when T'challa cut her off in AVX, but she definitely has not shown enough empathy. They really did a job on her in this event, but it's acceptable by the haters. They don't look at the big picture and like Princesa said she is acting like Marvel's Starfire, instead of Marvel's Wonder Woman.

I'm pissed, but not at the marriage being broken apart mostly, because honestly I think there are politics that we don't see that go on behind the curtains. For example, Hickman is on record saying that Storm is one of his very favorite female characters, top 10 out of all DC and Marvel female characters and he wanted her, as well as Professor X. He also said that he favored the marriage and *liked* them together but it was out of his hands. Same with Rich Reminder wanting Storm for his Marvel NOW Flagship Uncanny Avengers. He was denied, like Hickman.

But the direction that they are taking her in and the way they are writing her. If you had a young teen looking to get into comics, a younger female...who is WoC...I just don't think Storm is that appealing. That's my observation, from the young woc-female readers I am around and I have tried to get into comics. From the movies-to the cartoons-to that anime the word I see to describe her is weak. Even from the older people who grew up on comics and watched the 90's toon...to all of her showings in the movies are seen as weak and then the anime (written by a x-writer) was like salt to a wound.

This period is similar to T'challa's time with Roy Thomas and the Marvel writers after him (late 70's to the late 90's). Yes it could have lasting damage on a character. Most readers don't read 80's stuff, they don't have access to it unless they are die hard. In recent-Modern history of the character has not been good. Hopefully that changes.

To me and this is my opinion, Storm being taken out of the X-office was the *BEST* thing that could happen to the character. Since it's clear that the continued focus will be on Cyclops and Jean, Emma, and Wolverine and now Rogue (who had a bigger role then Storm in the first movie) and Psylocke (who has headlined a recent hit in Uncanny X-force by R.R).

I would rather had her with Hickman (who writes strong female characters and strong marital relationships) with T'challa in NEW Avengers and with R.R in Uncanny Avengers. Then with Bendis, Aaron and Humprhries...the first of which she will be wall paper, and the new Uncanny X-force is going to have to win over pissed off Reminder UXF readers, upset about the creative change and the premise changing.

Lastly, there is another book she is going to show up. I'm thinking now it might be the all female book the Fearless/Lady Liberators, rather then a solo for her. 

It's great to show up in places, but I wonder how many of these titles will focus on her character and move her story forward, rather then having her shoot lighting and saying a haughty line to some other character.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 21, 2012, 10:50:33 am
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"There were other plans for Storm, including (but not limited) to UNCANNY X-FORCE, so she was in play in other places that prevented her from being a part of the UNCANNY [Avengers] team." Exactly why can't you stretch Storm thin like you do Logan?
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Not all characters are the same.

Wow. smh.  >:(
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Skullmageddon on October 21, 2012, 10:56:57 am
So while  T'Challa is still literally pulling dead babies from the rubble they have Storm off doing Logan. That is so stupid.

I'm confused.

I thought you'd be happy with this.  ???


It is somewhat complicated perhaps. I am a fan of both BP and Storm but with all her stuff I feel maybe he is better off without her. On the other hand as a fan of Storm she is the preeminent WoC in the comics and this demeans and lessens her. This is Starfire behavior. She needs to have a proper period of mourning for HER dead people in Wakanda and make things right between her and T'Challa and he her before either move on.

But with the way the writers are portraying her, they're not showing her having any empathy for the Wakandan's at all.

They wrote Storm dropping everything to go hang with the X-Men at the begininig of AvX and followed through with her assault on T'Challa and uninvited incursion onto Wakandan with an X-Tinction team.

The X-Writers purposefully wrote an insurmountable wedge between T'Challa and Storm with the ful support of Marvel editorial.

It's amazing how clear the air seems when you're wide awake to the situation at hand. When you take a look at everything we've seen this month and Remender's interview on Friday, Marvel doesn't have a clear plan or even desire to push Storm as their female face of the X-Men (forget about the company as a whole), and with the way her potentially most loyal fan base is turning on (or just not caring about) her, the character is going to have a huge problem in the future.

Where does Storm go that doesn't have her look like a "C-Lister"?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 21, 2012, 02:01:13 pm
So while  T'Challa is still literally pulling dead babies from the rubble they have Storm off doing Logan. That is so stupid.

I'm confused.

I thought you'd be happy with this.  ???


It is somewhat complicated perhaps. I am a fan of both BP and Storm but with all her stuff I feel maybe he is better off without her. On the other hand as a fan of Storm she is the preeminent WoC in the comics and this demeans and lessens her. This is Starfire behavior. She needs to have a proper period of mourning for HER dead people in Wakanda and make things right between her and T'Challa and he her before either move on.

But with the way the writers are portraying her, they're not showing her having any empathy for the Wakandan's at all.

They wrote Storm dropping everything to go hang with the X-Men at the begininig of AvX and followed through with her assault on T'Challa and uninvited incursion onto Wakandan with an X-Tinction team.

The X-Writers purposefully wrote an insurmountable wedge between T'Challa and Storm with the ful support of Marvel editorial.

It's amazing how clear the air seems when you're wide awake to the situation at hand. When you take a look at everything we've seen this month and Remender's interview on Friday, Marvel doesn't have a clear plan or even desire to push Storm as their female face of the X-Men (forget about the company as a whole), and with the way her potentially most loyal fan base is turning on (or just not caring about) her, the character is going to have a huge problem in the future.

Where does Storm go that doesn't have her look like a "C-Lister"?

I don't think she going to look like a C-lister in Uncanny X-force. The problem is that it's not a high profile book, she's not the focus and it's not immune to certain things. Fans of RR's UXF are mad that the book is ending. I know I am, i'm not excited about the new team...and there is another X-force...so it's going to have to prove it self. The writer is also hinting at Storm being Lesbian...he's talking about her sexuality and the connection to her mohawk.

My issue it seem like everything they are doing with her revolves around her sexuality and denying T'challa---the most prominent black male character in comics. Some will not care about this, but it makes Marvel look bad and Storm too.

Where would she not look like a C-lister. Well with writers that care and really like her. Writers who write strong female characters. Hickman writes strong female characters and also good marital relationships. He made Reed and Sue great together. Sue was insanely powerful...so much so that she could break a celestial arm and defend her family when everyone else went down. She would have been PERFECT in the NEW Avengers. Queen Storm, X-men Leader and mutant representation to the Illuminati.

That would not stop her from showing up in All-New X-men, WATXM or Uncanny X-force. Also Uncanny Avengers > Uncanny X-force (without Rick Reminder). Uncanny is the higher profile book and a mega plot mover.

If Storm is indeed A-list, then how come she doesn't have a role in the A-list book that moves the mega plot of the Marvel Universe?

Lastly, a large part of her fanbase are happy with what the are giving...so they will keep putting her in books and she will continue to not matter. She will do a feat here and there and talk haughty to another character and it's all good.  Meanwhile Black Widow, Rogue, Captain Marvel, Besty, and Emma will move forward...Storm deserves better imho. 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 21, 2012, 02:45:26 pm
I wonder if the problem with Storm, besides bias, that there is something fundamentally wrong with the character.

Think about the history of the character:

She was supposed to be a cat woman, but they dropped that part.
Then she is the sheltered woman from a tribe, who views all life as sacred, "I will not kill" character.  Yet she is also a master thief.
Then Clarmont loses his powerful woman, so he switches to Storm.  (Interesting indication that Storm was never design to be the lead female, but was pushed to the lead because there was no other woman for Clarmont to use.  Now White Queen is strong female lead and Storm goes back to her orginal status?)
Then she has a mental break down, willing to kill and cuts her hair.
Then she loses her power and suddenly becomes a woman warrior of equal skill to characters who spend a lifetime developing those martial arts skills.
Then she replaces Cyclops.
Falls in love, gets her power back, but other strong females are around.  Team explodes in numbers, she remainsis a leader, her popularity rises, then fades.  and during this time they decided she wasn't Black, but mixature of all races.
Jean, Emma, Rogue replace her as top X female.
Decide to marry her off, and suddenly she is willing to kill African men with complete abandon like they were Brood.  (Never killed American villains like that.)

The problem might be that Storm was like Colossus or Nightcrawler.  She wasn't designed to be a lead and to make her a lead, they keep playing with the formula.




Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 21, 2012, 03:15:13 pm
I wonder if the problem with Storm, besides bias, that there is something fundamentally wrong with the character.

Think about the history of the character:

She was supposed to be a cat woman, but they dropped that part.
Then she is the sheltered woman from a tribe, who views all life as sacred, "I will not kill" character.  Yet she is also a master thief.
Then Clarmont loses his powerful woman, so he switches to Storm.  (Interesting indication that Storm was never design to be the lead female, but was pushed to the lead because there was no other woman for Clarmont to use.  Now White Queen is strong female lead and Storm goes back to her orginal status?)
Then she has a mental break down, willing to kill and cuts her hair.
Then she loses her power and suddenly becomes a woman warrior of equal skill to characters who spend a lifetime developing those martial arts skills.
Then she replaces Cyclops.
Falls in love, gets her power back, but other strong females are around.  Team explodes in numbers, she remainsis a leader, her popularity rises, then fades.  and during this time they decided she wasn't Black, but mixature of all races.
Jean, Emma, Rogue replace her as top X female.
Decide to marry her off, and suddenly she is willing to kill African men with complete abandon like they were Brood.  (Never killed American villains like that.)

The problem might be that Storm was like Colossus or Nightcrawler.  She wasn't designed to be a lead and to make her a lead, they keep playing with the formula.

Great post.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 22, 2012, 08:18:03 am
I think characters change and evolve all the time: look at Rogue, she's a million miles from what she was created to be. Psylocke is headed the same way and even Emma has grown. I think Storm outside of Brian Wood is the victim of some hack writing and general disinterest. They ask "what did the Avengers do for mutants"? Well hell what did the Queen of Wakanda ever do for mutants? Not that she has to be with BP to grow but that was a rich area they left unexplored I think out of a lack of real  interest in her as anything. They like Rogue and Kitty and Emma and Psylocke and Weapon X while Storm is "diversity" to them and with Oya she isn't even unique anymore. But there is a new book she will probably be the lead of with a good writer...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 22, 2012, 10:45:20 am
I think characters change and evolve all the time: look at Rogue, she's a million miles from what she was created to be. Psylocke is headed the same way and even Emma has grown. I think Storm outside of Brian Wood is the victim of some hack writing and general disinterest. They ask "what did the Avengers do for mutants"? Well hell what did the Queen of Wakanda ever do for mutants? Not that she has to be with BP to grow but that was a rich area they left unexplored I think out of a lack of real  interest in her as anything. They like Rogue and Kitty and Emma and Psylocke and Weapon X while Storm is "diversity" to them and with Oya she isn't even unique anymore. But there is a new book she will probably be the lead of with a good writer...

Agreed as well. And also some very poor decision making.

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The Marvel NOW! Avengers will be written by Jonathan Hickman and drawn by Jerome Opeńa. The twice-monthly shipping title will serve alongside New Avengers, also by Hickman, and Uncanny Avengers written by Rick Remender, to frame the Marvel Universe post-Avengers vs. X-Men.

The one thing Storm has in common with these titles is that the writers wanted to use her and were denied.  These titles ARE the meta plot titles. She's in ANXM, but no one knows how much and with Bendis we see how he wrote her before.

But it really comes down to hack writing and dumb decisions. To me this is another Whedon Astonishing X-men/Morrison X-men moment, where she was left out.

You are right the real hope is Uncanny X-force which will have it's challenges and the new book. But to me Storm really deserves to me in a book that moves the mega plot and is not a slave to it. Whatever they do they need to steamline the character and define her for this new era.

I think B. Humphries is going back to the mohawk days...not sure if that is good or bad. But it's a drastic character charge with characterization. It could be a hit, but also backfire badly.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 23, 2012, 01:42:07 am
Haha ;) :D ;D

Anyhow, couple arguements that don't fly, and are good examples of the bias from O'oreo fans.

1. During Civil War, Mr. Hudlin had T'challa employ at nation wide EMP against Doom and  via the Royal Quintjet!

However, during current X-Men run by Brian Wood, had a aircraft built by that Dr.Nemesis [yhe Ex-nazi talks to O' oreo more then her own husband! :)] Used a EMP verses a proto-mutant sea monster. Storm did NADA!

Mr. Hudlin was bashed for not having Storm EMP a entire nation, however O'oreo not EMPing a monster-mutant was cool! See how that works?

2. Omega Storm bringing up how O'oreo stopped a jet , and how but Hudlin had her not being able to stop a plane. That plane was the Royal Quintjet, for superior to ANY jet storm tried to stop. We have seen how fast Wakandan aircraft is..so no..she would not be able to stop a air superiority craft, just because she stopped a airliner.

So basically O'oreo can be written ANY way, it doesn't matter.


I cosign everything else you wrote on this page, brother, but not this one. I also took RH to task for NOT letting Storm stop the [ vastly superior to any jet ] Royal Quintjet. The only excuse/reason I would accept for Storm not stopping the RQ is if the RQ teleported or dimension-shifted to Wakanda. But once in the air? Hell, regular Wakandan Air Force should have been able to easily prevent a CRASH landing.

I would've had the RQ dimension shift at T'Challa's command to a pocket dimension [ throw off regular teleportation trackers ] inform The Wakandan Royals of what was going on, then dimension shift to a specific area long prepped by T'Challa for all kinds of emergencies. I would've had STORM teleport in her mutant healer friends and have them work with people like Doctor Voodoo and a cavalcade of Wakandan medics docs scientists wizards mystics and whatnot to get T'Challa healthy again.

But that name O'oreo? PERFECT. LOLOLOL.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 23, 2012, 07:54:44 am
Haha ;) :D ;D

Anyhow, couple arguements that don't fly, and are good examples of the bias from O'oreo fans.

1. During Civil War, Mr. Hudlin had T'challa employ at nation wide EMP against Doom and  via the Royal Quintjet!

However, during current X-Men run by Brian Wood, had a aircraft built by that Dr.Nemesis [yhe Ex-nazi talks to O' oreo more then her own husband! :)] Used a EMP verses a proto-mutant sea monster. Storm did NADA!

Mr. Hudlin was bashed for not having Storm EMP a entire nation, however O'oreo not EMPing a monster-mutant was cool! See how that works?

2. Omega Storm bringing up how O'oreo stopped a jet , and how but Hudlin had her not being able to stop a plane. That plane was the Royal Quintjet, for superior to ANY jet storm tried to stop. We have seen how fast Wakandan aircraft is..so no..she would not be able to stop a air superiority craft, just because she stopped a airliner.

So basically O'oreo can be written ANY way, it doesn't matter.


I cosign everything else you wrote on this page, brother, but not this one. I also took RH to task for NOT letting Storm stop the [ vastly superior to any jet ] Royal Quintjet. The only excuse/reason I would accept for Storm not stopping the RQ is if the RQ teleported or dimension-shifted to Wakanda. But once in the air? Hell, regular Wakandan Air Force should have been able to easily prevent a CRASH landing.

I would've had the RQ dimension shift at T'Challa's command to a pocket dimension [ throw off regular teleportation trackers ] inform The Wakandan Royals of what was going on, then dimension shift to a specific area long prepped by T'Challa for all kinds of emergencies. I would've had STORM teleport in her mutant healer friends and have them work with people like Doctor Voodoo and a cavalcade of Wakandan medics docs scientists wizards mystics and whatnot to get T'Challa healthy again.

But that name O'oreo? PERFECT. LOLOLOL.

Yes, Storm could have done all that, but I'm saying be balanced. If you bash RH, then bash Wood in a similar manner.  No one bashed Wood, not a person I saw bash him and I looked to see a reaction because I remember the uproar (not from sensible fans and non-haters making a valid point) ...but from the fanbrats who complained about everything he wrote.

To me, it was the same thing and Wood had Storm actually in a worst position, and relied on lesser technology to EMP a single monster, rather then Doom's nation.

Good to see you Bro.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 23, 2012, 01:27:10 pm
Haha ;) :D ;D

Anyhow, couple arguements that don't fly, and are good examples of the bias from O'oreo fans.

1. During Civil War, Mr. Hudlin had T'challa employ at nation wide EMP against Doom and  via the Royal Quintjet!

However, during current X-Men run by Brian Wood, had a aircraft built by that Dr.Nemesis [yhe Ex-nazi talks to O' oreo more then her own husband! :)] Used a EMP verses a proto-mutant sea monster. Storm did NADA!

Mr. Hudlin was bashed for not having Storm EMP a entire nation, however O'oreo not EMPing a monster-mutant was cool! See how that works?

2. Omega Storm bringing up how O'oreo stopped a jet , and how but Hudlin had her not being able to stop a plane. That plane was the Royal Quintjet, for superior to ANY jet storm tried to stop. We have seen how fast Wakandan aircraft is..so no..she would not be able to stop a air superiority craft, just because she stopped a airliner.

So basically O'oreo can be written ANY way, it doesn't matter.


I cosign everything else you wrote on this page, brother, but not this one. I also took RH to task for NOT letting Storm stop the [ vastly superior to any jet ] Royal Quintjet. The only excuse/reason I would accept for Storm not stopping the RQ is if the RQ teleported or dimension-shifted to Wakanda. But once in the air? Hell, regular Wakandan Air Force should have been able to easily prevent a CRASH landing.

I would've had the RQ dimension shift at T'Challa's command to a pocket dimension [ throw off regular teleportation trackers ] inform The Wakandan Royals of what was going on, then dimension shift to a specific area long prepped by T'Challa for all kinds of emergencies. I would've had STORM teleport in her mutant healer friends and have them work with people like Doctor Voodoo and a cavalcade of Wakandan medics docs scientists wizards mystics and whatnot to get T'Challa healthy again.

But that name O'oreo? PERFECT. LOLOLOL.

Yes, Storm could have done all that, but I'm saying be balanced. If you bash RH, then bash Wood in a similar manner.  No one bashed Wood, not a person I saw bash him and I looked to see a reaction because I remember the uproar (not from sensible fans and non-haters making a valid point) ...but from the fanbrats who complained about everything he wrote.

To me, it was the same thing and Wood had Storm actually in a worst position, and relied on lesser technology to EMP a single monster, rather then Doom's nation.

Good to see you Bro.

Good to see you too!


And yeah Woods was trippin, I agree there.

I would have had STORM smash on people. Strong writers don't overlook megapowerful characters coupled with less powerful characters. Strong writers concoct strong writing which gives everyone--villains, heroes, supporting cast--regular moments to shine. And shine in significant ways that are fully within character.

I hope to write such a fanfic piece.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mr. Peejay on October 26, 2012, 01:33:11 pm
I'm not sold that the problem is that SHE is not a good enough character, a character is only as good as their writer at the time. And with all of the different writer as making her do all these drastic things, she should have a real personality disorder. Now, we can't wipe our minds of her actions, because... they have been done... but hopefully WE can get a writer in there that wont drag our only Marvel Icon thru the beds of the unworthy before the next issue of her appearance.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 26, 2012, 08:36:01 pm
I'm not sold that the problem is that SHE is not a good enough character, a character is only as good as their writer at the time. And with all of the different writer as making her do all these drastic things, she should have a real personality disorder. Now, we can't wipe our minds of her actions, because... they have been done... but hopefully WE can get a writer in there that wont drag our only Marvel Icon thru the beds of the unworthy before the next issue of her appearance.

I totally co-sign this. A character is as good as the writer.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 27, 2012, 05:52:24 pm
I'm not sold that the problem is that SHE is not a good enough character, a character is only as good as their writer at the time. And with all of the different writer as making her do all these drastic things, she should have a real personality disorder. Now, we can't wipe our minds of her actions, because... they have been done... but hopefully WE can get a writer in there that wont drag our only Marvel Icon thru the beds of the unworthy before the next issue of her appearance.
Well if that the case then pretty much the majority of the writers stink at this
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 29, 2012, 02:00:34 pm
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"Obviously there's something brewing with Wolverine and Storm," Aaron says, adding that Kitty Pryde and Iceman's relationship will continue to develop. "One of the big themes of Wolverine & the X-Men has always been change. These characters are growing up in some ways, the kids as well as the adults."
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on October 29, 2012, 05:07:25 pm
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"Obviously there's something brewing with Wolverine and Storm," Aaron says, adding that Kitty Pryde and Iceman's relationship will continue to develop. "One of the big themes of Wolverine & the X-Men has always been change. These characters are growing up in some ways, the kids as well as the adults."

How the hell many girlfriends does Wolverine have these days, but T'Challa can't have one wife? This is some bullsh*t!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 29, 2012, 07:36:18 pm
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"Obviously there's something brewing with Wolverine and Storm," Aaron says, adding that Kitty Pryde and Iceman's relationship will continue to develop. "One of the big themes of Wolverine & the X-Men has always been change. These characters are growing up in some ways, the kids as well as the adults."

How the hell many girlfriends does Wolverine have these days, but T'Challa can't have one wife? This is some bullsh*t!

Agreed. I posed a question to Brevoort. No response.

I'm think I passed Storm. On comicvine you have some folks are calling her a hoe.

My question though was if T'challa would have a romantic interest, since Storm apparently had moved on very quickly. The next one I will push some non-PC buttons.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 29, 2012, 09:37:19 pm
She has moved on he needs to move on. The person to ask is Hickman.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 29, 2012, 11:06:31 pm
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 30, 2012, 07:18:22 am
She has moved on he needs to move on. The person to ask is Hickman.

I think is the to ask is Brevoort. He is the head editor and calls the shots. He is the editor of Avengers and New Avengers. Hickman like the marriage. He wanted Storm. He wanted Professor X. Look at what happened. The Marriage ended, he didn't get Storm and Professor X was killed off (he wanted him for NEW Avengers).

So I'm going straight to the boss for answers. I might ask Hickman also, but I want a answer from Brevoort, since he can either approve or nix anything.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 30, 2012, 07:20:09 am
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.

Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 30, 2012, 07:47:05 am
She has moved on he needs to move on. The person to ask is Hickman.

I think is the to ask is Brevoort. He is the head editor and calls the shots. He is the editor of Avengers and New Avengers. Hickman like the marriage. He wanted Storm. He wanted Professor X. Look at what happened. The Marriage ended, he didn't get Storm and Professor X was killed off (he wanted him for NEW Avengers).

So I'm going straight to the boss for answers. I might ask Hickman also, but I want a answer from Brevoort, since he can either approve or nix anything.

Take Storm totally out of the equation, that ship has sailed (or sunk). I mean as far as T'Challa is Hickman's character he will be charting the course of his love life. I'd like to know what he's thinking.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 30, 2012, 08:00:31 am
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.

Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.

Storm conflicts me. I am maybe her strongest defender here  but everyone knows I am good with the split. Her baggage is a gaping maw and I don't think her fit to sit on the throne. I defend her because I love Storm and I want to see her shine. But a lot of people loved this couple and they supported them with their money and time and emotions and the way Marvel has disrespected them is sickening. They couldn't even give them a decent separation and closure before shoving another man in their face. That is so wrong. So, f--- you Jason Aaron and please Marvel do not let him use T'Challa in some sickening little triangle.

...and on top of that WATXM is so stupid. is it supposed to be comedy? it's not funny and I hate those kids.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 30, 2012, 05:26:23 pm
Well if Marvel approved this mess to end a marriage

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcl7arlR5C1rv6ukfo1_500.jpg)

Why should we be surprised on this ending of Storm/Tchalla
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on October 30, 2012, 07:07:53 pm
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.

Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.

Storm conflicts me. I am maybe her strongest defender here  but everyone knows I am good with the split. Her baggage is a gaping maw and I don't think her fit to sit on the throne. I defend her because I love Storm and I want to see her shine. But a lot of people loved this couple and they supported them with their money and time and emotions and the way Marvel has disrespected them is sickening. They couldn't even give them a decent separation and closure before shoving another man in their face. That is so wrong. So, f--- you Jason Aaron and please Marvel do not let him use T'Challa in some sickening little triangle.

...and on top of that WATXM is so stupid. is it supposed to be comedy? it's not funny and I hate those kids.

Agreed totally. Maybe hook T'challa up with some Queen of a space empire or something.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on October 30, 2012, 09:23:35 pm

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Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.
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Storm conflicts me. I am maybe her strongest defender here  but everyone knows I am good with the split. Her baggage is a gaping maw and I don't think her fit to sit on the throne. I defend her because I love Storm and I want to see her shine. But a lot of people loved this couple and they supported them with their money and time and emotions and the way Marvel has disrespected them is sickening. They couldn't even give them a decent separation and closure before shoving another man in their face. That is so wrong. So, f--- you Jason Aaron and please Marvel do not let him use T'Challa in some sickening little triangle.

...and on top of that WATXM is so stupid. is it supposed to be comedy? it's not funny and I hate those kids.
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Agreed totally. Maybe hook T'challa up with some Queen of a space empire or something.
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That's what I'm thinking let Hickman do something in the context of the storyline a new character no baggage no nitwit troll faction.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 01, 2012, 12:04:05 pm
No Solo for Storm. Another book where she is the support character. Valkyrie gets her book as the central character and leader.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/thumbnail.php?file=/assets/images/articles/1351787792.jpg&w=300 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/thumbnail.php?file=/assets/images/articles/1351787792.jpg&w=300)
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Robot6: You ended the book with a well-developed Valkyrie and the tease of a potential, for lack of a better term, Lady Liberators series. You’ve kind of teased the idea that it would be up to the fans to create enough noise for this series to get Marvel to greenlight it. Did you include that possibility at the end of Fearless on your own, or is it something that you talked over with Marvel and they are genuinely considering it?

Cullen: The idea to replace the Valkyrior with heroes from Midgard hit me while I was scripting the fifth or sixth issue. I ran it by the team, and they were all for it. I thought it wrapped up the story of the Serpent’s hammers neatly, and I liked the potential of Valkyrie choosing a new group of Shield Maidens. I was surprised how many readers really liked the idea. Will it happen? I’m not sure, but I’d love to see that come about.



Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on November 01, 2012, 08:41:45 pm
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.

Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.

Storm conflicts me. I am maybe her strongest defender here  but everyone knows I am good with the split. Her baggage is a gaping maw and I don't think her fit to sit on the throne. I defend her because I love Storm and I want to see her shine. But a lot of people loved this couple and they supported them with their money and time and emotions and the way Marvel has disrespected them is sickening. They couldn't even give them a decent separation and closure before shoving another man in their face. That is so wrong. So, f--- you Jason Aaron and please Marvel do not let him use T'Challa in some sickening little triangle.

...and on top of that WATXM is so stupid. is it supposed to be comedy? it's not funny and I hate those kids.

Agreed totally. Maybe hook T'challa up with some Queen of a space empire or something.

I would ask if Crystal is single but that would cause the fanboys to riot as much as Storm did.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 01, 2012, 08:50:17 pm
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.

Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.

Storm conflicts me. I am maybe her strongest defender here  but everyone knows I am good with the split. Her baggage is a gaping maw and I don't think her fit to sit on the throne. I defend her because I love Storm and I want to see her shine. But a lot of people loved this couple and they supported them with their money and time and emotions and the way Marvel has disrespected them is sickening. They couldn't even give them a decent separation and closure before shoving another man in their face. That is so wrong. So, f--- you Jason Aaron and please Marvel do not let him use T'Challa in some sickening little triangle.

...and on top of that WATXM is so stupid. is it supposed to be comedy? it's not funny and I hate those kids.

Agreed totally. Maybe hook T'challa up with some Queen of a space empire or something.

I would ask if Crystal is single but that would cause the fanboys to riot as much as Storm did.

Meh...just because of Johnny Storm, Quicksilver and Ronan. I just read AvX:Consequences and I just had to shake my head...I will just say that another character has a child on the way. Smh...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 01, 2012, 09:19:46 pm
I don't think Marvel cares what fanboys think anymore than they do what we think but please not Crystal. She is on the vapid side.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 01, 2012, 09:39:53 pm
I don't think Marvel cares what fanboys think anymore than they do what we think but please not Crystal. She is on the vapid side.

Glad that you said it. lol. :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 02, 2012, 05:15:22 am
It's official: Storm lost. No two ways about it, she lost. And the X trolls in part did her in and her fan base (aside me :) are delusional. Why would you give her a book when you just took away half her story? I'm not saying she needed T'Challa to shine but she is not nearly half as interesting now as she was. If they wanted a Storm book they should have supported World's Apart. That would have catapulted her. She was positioned as a Queen who WAS a Queen and she carried that clout as a Mutant leader. But no, they hated it. So now she is at the school with a room in the attic serving as Wolverine's mattress. Wolverine, the hairy hump.  And her fans are confused and upset . I'm sorry but the only thing that is compelling about her today is her ties to Wakanda and the dissolved marriage. They wacked off  her hair gave her some tight pants hinted she is bi (and she probably is) and got her doing the rodent. Be happy cuz you got what you wanted. This is who she is. The jumpoff is back. The backdrop. I'm upset at how they played her. It's funny I don't think she is fit for the throne but as a fan of hers it would have been to her benefit. And it stuns me how many X fans (sane folks) really don't like her. Oh well, she could have been Illuminati, she could have been leading UA...but she always got that room in the attic. She is the equivalent of the grownass man living in his parents basement. I guess you get what you deserve. I honestly didn't see them playing her this to the left.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on November 02, 2012, 07:37:42 am
It's official: Storm lost. No two ways about it, she lost. And the X trolls in part did her in and her fan base (aside me :) are delusional. Why would you give her a book when you just took away half her story? I'm not saying she needed T'Challa to shine but she is not nearly half as interesting now as she was. If they wanted a Storm book they should have supported World's Apart. That would have catapulted her. She was positioned as a Queen who WAS a Queen and she carried that clout as a Mutant leader. But no, they hated it. So now she is at the school with a room in the attic serving as Wolverine's mattress. Wolverine, the hairy hump.  And her fans are confused and upset . I'm sorry but the only thing that is compelling about her today is her ties to Wakanda and the dissolved marriage. They wacked off  her hair gave her some tight pants hinted she is bi (and she probably is) and got her doing the rodent. Be happy cuz you got what you wanted. This is who she is. The jumpoff is back. The backdrop. I'm upset at how they played her. It's funny I don't think she is fit for the throne but as a fan of hers it would have been to her benefit. And it stuns me how many X fans (sane folks) really don't like her. Oh well, she could have been Illuminati, she could have been leading UA...but she always got that room in the attic. She is the equivalent of the grownass man living in his parents basement. I guess you get what you deserve. I honestly didn't see them playing her this to the left.

So co-sign this!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 02, 2012, 01:06:02 pm
It's official: Storm lost. No two ways about it, she lost. And the X trolls in part did her in and her fan base (aside me :) are delusional. Why would you give her a book when you just took away half her story? I'm not saying she needed T'Challa to shine but she is not nearly half as interesting now as she was. If they wanted a Storm book they should have supported World's Apart. That would have catapulted her. She was positioned as a Queen who WAS a Queen and she carried that clout as a Mutant leader. But no, they hated it. So now she is at the school with a room in the attic serving as Wolverine's mattress. Wolverine, the hairy hump.  And her fans are confused and upset . I'm sorry but the only thing that is compelling about her today is her ties to Wakanda and the dissolved marriage. They wacked off  her hair gave her some tight pants hinted she is bi (and she probably is) and got her doing the rodent. Be happy cuz you got what you wanted. This is who she is. The jumpoff is back. The backdrop. I'm upset at how they played her. It's funny I don't think she is fit for the throne but as a fan of hers it would have been to her benefit. And it stuns me how many X fans (sane folks) really don't like her. Oh well, she could have been Illuminati, she could have been leading UA...but she always got that room in the attic. She is the equivalent of the grownass man living in his parents basement. I guess you get what you deserve. I honestly didn't see them playing her this to the left.


co-sign this to the fullest.

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This is likely Cyclops, Emma and Magneto's book.


I don't see how any Storm fan could be happy. Oddly, some are happy and believe that she is THE X-woman. That's delusional. 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 02, 2012, 01:32:09 pm
Stom is banging Wolverine now? Aw hell no!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 03, 2012, 09:22:55 am
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Storm, girl watcha doing? You went from the king of Wakanda, to the Danny Devito of the X-Men. That's like going from Jay-Z to Flavor-Flav. have fun Shaving Wolverine's back. 


LMAO someone made this comment on another forum. Made me laugh.

http://www.comicvine.com/x-men/65-3173/should-wolverine-and-storm-be-the-next-x-men-power-couple/92-711281/? (http://www.comicvine.com/x-men/65-3173/should-wolverine-and-storm-be-the-next-x-men-power-couple/92-711281/?)

It's surprising to see how much support the marriage had expressed in this thread, Marvel is stupid.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 03, 2012, 12:28:39 pm
Hopefully ya boi's fanfic can provide some sensible diversion from Ororo bangin Flava Flav. I call my fanfic: "EXPLANATIONS" and "Chapter 1: Banishment" , is up.Please give it a read...as it reconciles most of the contradictions in canon regarding BP.  The subsequent chapters reconcile all of the others...while advancing a completely new, hopefully totally engrossing story. So far? The reviews have been unanimously positive.

http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=10597.msg130160#msg130160 (http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=10597.msg130160#msg130160)


And Chapter 2 will pack ten times more action and be ten times better than Chapter 1. If you like it? Please leave a link to it on other sites, and ask them to leave feed on the thread I have for it on this site. Thanks.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on November 04, 2012, 07:21:36 am
...and the A+X with T'Challa and Storm--I'm not buying it. Nope. And I DO NOT want Aaron using him in his book either.

Agreed. I don't want T'challa in his book...at all. Dude claimed he is a fan, yet his recent track record is horrid.

Maberry said he was a "fan" too.

We all know how that panned out post Doomwar.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on November 04, 2012, 07:24:41 am
She has moved on he needs to move on. The person to ask is Hickman.

I think is the to ask is Brevoort. He is the head editor and calls the shots. He is the editor of Avengers and New Avengers. Hickman like the marriage. He wanted Storm. He wanted Professor X. Look at what happened. The Marriage ended, he didn't get Storm and Professor X was killed off (he wanted him for NEW Avengers).

So I'm going straight to the boss for answers. I might ask Hickman also, but I want a answer from Brevoort, since he can either approve or nix anything.

Take Storm totally out of the equation, that ship has sailed (or sunk). I mean as far as T'Challa is Hickman's character he will be charting the course of his love life. I'd like to know what he's thinking.

Why should Storm be taken out of the equation?

Readers have the right to ask hard questions otherwise racist crap like this will continue to happen.

Marvel are making Storm look mad trifling and hoe'ish so I'm wondering why you're advocating giving them an easy way out for their BS?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on November 04, 2012, 07:30:38 am
It's official: Storm lost. No two ways about it, she lost. And the X trolls in part did her in and her fan base (aside me :) are delusional. Why would you give her a book when you just took away half her story? I'm not saying she needed T'Challa to shine but she is not nearly half as interesting now as she was. If they wanted a Storm book they should have supported World's Apart. That would have catapulted her. She was positioned as a Queen who WAS a Queen and she carried that clout as a Mutant leader. But no, they hated it. So now she is at the school with a room in the attic serving as Wolverine's mattress. Wolverine, the hairy hump.  And her fans are confused and upset . I'm sorry but the only thing that is compelling about her today is her ties to Wakanda and the dissolved marriage. They wacked off  her hair gave her some tight pants hinted she is bi (and she probably is) and got her doing the rodent. Be happy cuz you got what you wanted. This is who she is. The jumpoff is back. The backdrop. I'm upset at how they played her. It's funny I don't think she is fit for the throne but as a fan of hers it would have been to her benefit. And it stuns me how many X fans (sane folks) really don't like her. Oh well, she could have been Illuminati, she could have been leading UA...but she always got that room in the attic. She is the equivalent of the grownass man living in his parents basement. I guess you get what you deserve. I honestly didn't see them playing her this to the left.

I did. (to the bolded)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on November 04, 2012, 08:09:04 am
But one has to admit that the marriage did bring up and gave her some notice and recognition. Lets be clear here and I've said it a ton of times. Minus crossovers prior to the marriage has she ever appeared in another book at all? The answer is obvious. If she appeared with the x-men it doesn't count. Jubilee one of the lower tier characters in x-men had more appearances outside of the x-verse than she did. I mean wow ROFL.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 04, 2012, 12:42:05 pm
But one has to admit that the marriage did bring up and gave her some notice and recognition. Lets be clear here and I've said it a ton of times. Minus crossovers prior to the marriage has she ever appeared in another book at all? The answer is obvious. If she appeared with the x-men it doesn't count. Jubilee one of the lower tier characters in x-men had more appearances outside of the x-verse than she did. I mean wow ROFL.

Man, I never thought of it like that...which means that Photon has seen even less shine. Right.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 04, 2012, 05:00:57 pm
But one has to admit that the marriage did bring up and gave her some notice and recognition. Lets be clear here and I've said it a ton of times. Minus crossovers prior to the marriage has she ever appeared in another book at all? The answer is obvious. If she appeared with the x-men it doesn't count. Jubilee one of the lower tier characters in x-men had more appearances outside of the x-verse than she did. I mean wow ROFL.

This.

She appeared BACK in the freaking 80's here and there, but nothing major or no real role.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on November 05, 2012, 06:04:31 am
Man, I never thought of it like that...which means that Photon has seen even less shine. Right.
photon at least was leader of avengers at one point and also was leader of next wave. Also her own book. Maybe Monica is more up top T'challa avenue than Storm
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 05, 2012, 06:55:00 am
Man, I never thought of it like that...which means that Photon has seen even less shine. Right.
photon at least was leader of avengers at one point and also was leader of next wave. Also her own book. Maybe Monica is more up top T'challa avenue than Storm

A lot less baggage. But Hickman says he's not using her sadly.

Idk, but SI hit it on the nail. There is a HUGE lack of woc female characters. It's pretty glaring in fact.

 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 05, 2012, 07:26:24 am
She has moved on he needs to move on. The person to ask is Hickman.

I think is the to ask is Brevoort. He is the head editor and calls the shots. He is the editor of Avengers and New Avengers. Hickman like the marriage. He wanted Storm. He wanted Professor X. Look at what happened. The Marriage ended, he didn't get Storm and Professor X was killed off (he wanted him for NEW Avengers).

So I'm going straight to the boss for answers. I might ask Hickman also, but I want a answer from Brevoort, since he can either approve or nix anything.

Take Storm totally out of the equation, that ship has sailed (or sunk). I mean as far as T'Challa is Hickman's character he will be charting the course of his love life. I'd like to know what he's thinking.

Why should Storm be taken out of the equation?

Readers have the right to ask hard questions otherwise racist crap like this will continue to happen.

Marvel are making Storm look mad trifling and hoe'ish so I'm wondering why you're advocating giving them an easy way out for their BS?

She is out the equation in terms of what I was talking about namely where Hickman as the writer of the BP is going in terms of his personal life (and I HOPE I say again I HOPE he doesn't feel a need to wait see with Storm) This just in :comics is a sexist industry, look at how they do Huntress and Starfire and Tigra and Crystal and for a minute Ms/Captain Marvel  and ...you get my point.  There is a reason female heroes go into battle with their breasts hanging out. This is not new territory for Storm. My goodness she has been with :Scott, Namor, probably Gambit and Logan, Dracula,maybe Nightcrawler,  Logan again, a host of aliens... But doing Namor followed by his actions disqualify her for the throne. If her fans like it I love it...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 05, 2012, 07:50:11 am
She has moved on he needs to move on. The person to ask is Hickman.

I think is the to ask is Brevoort. He is the head editor and calls the shots. He is the editor of Avengers and New Avengers. Hickman like the marriage. He wanted Storm. He wanted Professor X. Look at what happened. The Marriage ended, he didn't get Storm and Professor X was killed off (he wanted him for NEW Avengers).

So I'm going straight to the boss for answers. I might ask Hickman also, but I want a answer from Brevoort, since he can either approve or nix anything.

Take Storm totally out of the equation, that ship has sailed (or sunk). I mean as far as T'Challa is Hickman's character he will be charting the course of his love life. I'd like to know what he's thinking.

Why should Storm be taken out of the equation?

Readers have the right to ask hard questions otherwise racist crap like this will continue to happen.

Marvel are making Storm look mad trifling and hoe'ish so I'm wondering why you're advocating giving them an easy way out for their BS?

She is out the equation in terms of what I was talking about namely where Hickman as the writer of the BP is going in terms of his personal life (and I HOPE I say again I HOPE he doesn't feel a need to wait see with Storm) This just in :comics is a sexist industry, look at how they do Huntress and Starfire and Tigra and Crystal and for a minute Ms/Captain Marvel  and ...you get my point. They are demeaned as bed notches. There is a reason female heroes go into battle with their breasts hanging out. This is not new territory for Storm. My goodness she has been with :Scott, Namor, probably Gambit and Logan, Dracula, Logan again, a host of aliens... But doing Namor followed by his actions disqualify her for the throne. If her fans like it I love it.

This...you are 100% correct.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 05, 2012, 10:23:09 am
She did Namor? Where and when and who wrote that? C'mon yall...she did NAMOR?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 05, 2012, 01:25:55 pm
She did Namor? Where and when and who wrote that? C'mon yall...she did NAMOR?

LMAO, yeah man. It was a flat out attack on T'challa. See where I'm coming from. It's nonsense. No only from haters, but you have writers pandering to these crowds. It's time to do what right to protect T'challa. Casey wrote that nonsense, i asked why exactly could he not have used T'challa or why did Storm HAVE to be in a relationship. It was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy any of his work...ever after that crap he pulled.

I want to see T'challa with a REAL goddess.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 05, 2012, 04:30:23 pm

I want to see T'challa with a REAL goddess.

Hmmm, Sif?  She and Thor haven't been together for a while, though her other interest was Beta Ray Bill.  Don't know if that went anywhere.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on November 05, 2012, 04:32:29 pm

I want to see T'challa with a REAL goddess.

Hmmm, Sif?  She and Thor haven't been together for a while, though her other interest was Beta Ray Bill.  Don't know if that went anywhere.

Watch the haters bitch about that, too.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on November 05, 2012, 04:41:57 pm
I've said it before and i'll say it again. I'd rather a new love interest be created for BP and can be from his lore instead of borrowing characters from other lores.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 05, 2012, 04:54:55 pm
I've said it before and i'll say it again. I'd rather a new love interest be created for BP and can be from his lore instead of borrowing characters from other lores.

That is actually the best route.  I said from the beginning that Storm and BP were probably doomed because they belonged to two different houses in Marvel, unless BP was consumed into the X-verse, like Captain Britan was.

But a character from his title will never be taken back home.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 05, 2012, 05:24:33 pm
I've said it before and i'll say it again. I'd rather a new love interest be created for BP and can be from his lore instead of borrowing characters from other lores.
Agreed. Because there is just too much drama.

But with that Alternate universe stuff going on...who knows.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 05, 2012, 09:25:37 pm
She did Namor? Where and when and who wrote that? C'mon yall...she did NAMOR?

LMAO, yeah man. It was a flat out attack on T'challa. See where I'm coming from. It's nonsense. No only from haters, but you have writers pandering to these crowds. It's time to do what right to protect T'challa. Casey wrote that nonsense, i asked why exactly could he not have used T'challa or why did Storm HAVE to be in a relationship. It was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy any of his work...ever after that crap he pulled.

I want to see T'challa with a REAL goddess.

Honestly I felt it was more an affront to her than it was him. That they didn't feel any need to  respect her as a married woman the sanctity of her vow and commitment to the man she which  loved speaks to a longstanding attitude towards WoC.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 05, 2012, 10:00:46 pm
She did Namor? Where and when and who wrote that? C'mon yall...she did NAMOR?

LMAO, yeah man. It was a flat out attack on T'challa. See where I'm coming from. It's nonsense. No only from haters, but you have writers pandering to these crowds. It's time to do what right to protect T'challa. Casey wrote that nonsense, i asked why exactly could he not have used T'challa or why did Storm HAVE to be in a relationship. It was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy any of his work...ever after that crap he pulled.

I want to see T'challa with a REAL goddess.

Honestly I felt it was more an affront to her than it was him. That they didn't feel any need to  respect her as a married woman the sanctity of her vow and commitment to the man she which  loved speaks to a longstanding attitude towards WoC.

I absolutely, positively agree with this sentiment of Princesa's and yours, Seven. I think it's a clear combo attack on both Ororo AND TChalla. I guarantee you that if Marjorie Liu wrote Storm? Ororo would NOT be acting like this. I see this as MU's White X-Men male writers trying to make good with the white male readership who still want Ororo to be on the plantation like a good beautiful House Negress; perpetually at their beck and call.

Who wrote her banging Namor? I mean...NAMOR? Nah. Come on. And then from Namor to Logan? Jesus Christ. What books did this happen in? Who wrote those books? Seriously. I want to know.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on November 06, 2012, 07:26:45 am

Who wrote her banging Namor? I mean...NAMOR? Nah. Come on. And then from Namor to Logan? Jesus Christ. What books did this happen in? Who wrote those books? Seriously. I want to know.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_X)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: sinjection1 on November 06, 2012, 07:29:45 am
I absolutely, positively agree with this sentiment of Princesa's and yours, Seven. I think it's a clear combo attack on both Ororo AND TChalla. I guarantee you that if Marjorie Liu wrote Storm? Ororo would NOT be acting like this. I see this as MU's White X-Men male writers trying to make good with the white male readership who still want Ororo to be on the plantation like a good beautiful House Negress; perpetually at their beck and call.

Who wrote her banging Namor? I mean...NAMOR? Nah. Come on. And then from Namor to Logan? Jesus Christ. What books did this happen in? Who wrote those books? Seriously. I want to know.

Dear Brother...my Dear, Dear Brother. I tried to tell you all about those white x-writers.  ;)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 06, 2012, 11:20:55 am

Who wrote her banging Namor? I mean...NAMOR? Nah. Come on. And then from Namor to Logan? Jesus Christ. What books did this happen in? Who wrote those books? Seriously. I want to know.


[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_X[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_X[/url])


Thank you very much for answering this question...even though [ if I were a true ubergeek ] I might call Earl and Ralph at the authentification of such vomitous material dissin TChalla and Ororo.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 06, 2012, 11:22:04 am
I absolutely, positively agree with this sentiment of Princesa's and yours, Seven. I think it's a clear combo attack on both Ororo AND TChalla. I guarantee you that if Marjorie Liu wrote Storm? Ororo would NOT be acting like this. I see this as MU's White X-Men male writers trying to make good with the white male readership who still want Ororo to be on the plantation like a good beautiful House Negress; perpetually at their beck and call.

Who wrote her banging Namor? I mean...NAMOR? Nah. Come on. And then from Namor to Logan? Jesus Christ. What books did this happen in? Who wrote those books? Seriously. I want to know.

Dear Brother...my Dear, Dear Brother. I tried to tell you all about those white x-writers.  ;)

Yes you did. YES you did. You tried to warn me. REPEATEDLY. So did Jenn. I just couldn't fathom that depth of irrationality. You were right, my dear wise brother.

Speaking of Wise.

Where's Wise Son and Open Palm?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 06, 2012, 11:58:18 am
So Ororo was acting the way she was because she had her memory as a 616 mutant erased, then all of that stuff was restored and all the mutants tra la la la their way back to Utopia? So how in the heck does that equate with her ending up in Logan's arms? Did she bang Namor in the 616 or in The Age of X?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on November 07, 2012, 08:09:39 pm
So Ororo was acting the way she was because she had her memory as a 616 mutant erased, then all of that stuff was restored and all the mutants tra la la la their way back to Utopia? So how in the heck does that equate with her ending up in Logan's arms? Did she bang Namor in the 616 or in The Age of X?

I'm thinking she banged Namor in the Age of X.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 07, 2012, 10:40:53 pm
Storm was with Namor in Age of X but AoX was no alternative universe(which would make it no big deal imo) it was 616 characters. You can say (and many do) they including Storm shouldn't be held responsible for their actions and you can make a case for that  but with all her baggage I find it just...too much.
   I would not call the X writers "racist". That just results in a slew of name-calling. I'd rather say what I find offensive which I think more productive. I didn't like the disrespect  and lack of sensitivity. And I agree BP would be better off with a new love interest but if Marvel is still invested in them as a couple who knows what might happen. He could find an alternate and still have those heirs. Honestly I  wouldn't have a problem with her and Wolverine provided they ended their story properly. Well no problem other than he being a hairy hunchbacked troll.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 08, 2012, 01:14:58 am
Consider this.

Daredevil is starring in a arc of X-men. Spiderman showed up in X-men, The Avengers should up in X-men...a book with Storm in it. T'challa has not been mentioned once...even when she was married to him. I don't know if they are racist, and I agree with P about that. But it's pure indifference and a lack of respect...possibly trolling and fan service to fans who have some issues.

Who knows, maybe we will get a alternate Storm, without the baggage. At this point though, I'm excited for T'challa.

Storm is showing up in different places, dating Logan and for some fans that's enough. Good for them. But T'challa is headed in the right direction. Axel already said he is likely to get a solo...maybe by Hickman down the rode (in 3 years) after NA.
Title: Leader No More.
Post by: Seven on November 08, 2012, 09:35:11 am
Wow...
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/DEFEND2013001_DC11_02.jpg)
Quote
Nrama: So of course the "Defenders" name implies that this is a team book, but it sounds like not necessarily in the conventional sense?

Bunn: It is going to be a team book. It'll be an all-female team. But I didn't want to go into issue #1 and say, "here is the team." My goal is to take my time in building this team. I want to build it slowly — even after the first arc, the team will not be formed completely.

Instead, I started looking at characters who make sense, and also can be interesting foils for Valkyrie. And that's when this idea of Misty Knight came up. I put the two of them together in the first issue, and I liked the way they interact so much, and I think they offer something completely different than what you've seen before. They became my core team. They're sort of the window characters — they're the proxies for our readers. The rest of the team will build around them.

Nrama: So Valkyrie and Misty Knight are co-leads of the book?

Bunn: Correct. They're our co-leads, and the rest of the team will build around them. I think it'll be interesting to see how the two of them see things differently. You've got Misty, who's a very street-level character. And you've got Valkyrie, who's a goddess. So you've got very different backgrounds, and I think they will see their potential teammates very differently, and I think you'll see that the two of them have some differences of opinion on who would be the right team for what they're going to be facing.


Good For Misty, getting her second title where she has a lead role. Sad for Storm, who I guess is not a leader according to Marvel current brain trust.

Unless the Uncanny book is the one she is in...but I think that is the Uncanny Brotherhood or something, with Cyclops, Emma, Magneto, Danger and Magik...the former X-tinction team.
Title: Re: Leader No More.
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 08, 2012, 11:36:28 am
Wow...
([url]http://i.newsarama.com/images/DEFEND2013001_DC11_02.jpg[/url])
Quote
Nrama: So of course the "Defenders" name implies that this is a team book, but it sounds like not necessarily in the conventional sense?

Bunn: It is going to be a team book. It'll be an all-female team. But I didn't want to go into issue #1 and say, "here is the team." My goal is to take my time in building this team. I want to build it slowly — even after the first arc, the team will not be formed completely.

Instead, I started looking at characters who make sense, and also can be interesting foils for Valkyrie. And that's when this idea of Misty Knight came up. I put the two of them together in the first issue, and I liked the way they interact so much, and I think they offer something completely different than what you've seen before. They became my core team. They're sort of the window characters — they're the proxies for our readers. The rest of the team will build around them.

Nrama: So Valkyrie and Misty Knight are co-leads of the book?

Bunn: Correct. They're our co-leads, and the rest of the team will build around them. I think it'll be interesting to see how the two of them see things differently. You've got Misty, who's a very street-level character. And you've got Valkyrie, who's a goddess. So you've got very different backgrounds, and I think they will see their potential teammates very differently, and I think you'll see that the two of them have some differences of opinion on who would be the right team for what they're going to be facing.


Good For Misty, getting her second title where she has a lead role. Sad for Storm, who I guess is not a leader according to Marvel current brain trust.

Unless the Uncanny book is the one she is in...but I think that is the Uncanny Brotherhood or something, with Cyclops, Emma, Magneto, Danger and Magik...the former X-tinction team.



AWWW YAHYEAH!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 08, 2012, 11:43:30 am
Consider this.

Daredevil is starring in a arc of X-men. Spiderman showed up in X-men, The Avengers should up in X-men...a book with Storm in it. T'challa has not been mentioned once...even when she was married to him. I don't know if they are racist, and I agree with P about that. But it's pure indifference and a lack of respect...possibly trolling and fan service to fans who have some issues.

Who knows, maybe we will get a alternate Storm, without the baggage. At this point though, I'm excited for T'challa.

Storm is showing up in different places, dating Logan and for some fans that's enough. Good for them. But T'challa is headed in the right direction. Axel already said he is likely to get a solo...maybe by Hickman down the rode (in 3 years) after NA.

Without a doubt, they're staying as far away from the marriage and Storm paired up with TChalla as they can. Now watch this: TChalla goes through a wholesale image restructuring under the magnificent Hickman, and I guarantee you that the LCBRD will love TChalla like they love superstar Black athletes and entertainers...but that may not be enough to hook TChalla back up with Storm.

It may drive him directly into Photon's arms...and you know what? He could do A LOT WORSE than Photon. You know what else? A Wakandan woman warrior would be a good look, too.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on November 08, 2012, 01:30:30 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 08, 2012, 03:33:43 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 08, 2012, 03:46:49 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

Excited about the book and Misty getting a shot as a lead. This is a put up or shut the F up book. It's all Female, so now fans need to support it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 08, 2012, 03:48:26 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.

Stark built the arm...so I doubt it's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 08, 2012, 04:25:49 pm
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1352397623.jpg)

Sooooo, Uncanny X-men is relunched. Cyclops, Magneto, Emma, Magik thus far.
No Storm as far as I can tell. Bendis pretty much rules the X-verse now.

The Flagship books
Uncanny X-men
All-New X-men (Supporting character)
Wolverine and the X-men (Teacher, supporting character)

Then there is these books.
Uncanny X-force (Team member)
Cable and X-force
X-men Legacy
X-men (Storm supporting role).

No going to lie, Bendis titles look good conceptually.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 08, 2012, 07:35:08 pm
Good to see Magik again...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 08, 2012, 09:48:06 pm
Consider this.

Daredevil is starring in a arc of X-men. Spiderman showed up in X-men, The Avengers should up in X-men...a book with Storm in it. T'challa has not been mentioned once...even when she was married to him. I don't know if they are racist, and I agree with P about that. But it's pure indifference and a lack of respect...possibly trolling and fan service to fans who have some issues.

Who knows, maybe we will get a alternate Storm, without the baggage. At this point though, I'm excited for T'challa.

Storm is showing up in different places, dating Logan and for some fans that's enough. Good for them. But T'challa is headed in the right direction. Axel already said he is likely to get a solo...maybe by Hickman down the rode (in 3 years) after NA.

I think they plan to put DD with Pyslocke and that might not be bad and who's book HASN'T Spiderman been in, he was even in BPMWF. I put it as the writers simply were not interested in him. We have issues with Aaron but Aaron is interested in him (I recall him saying  BP was Batman with more money his own country and cult religion) and is going to use him. I suspect as T'Challa's profile rises his spots will.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 09, 2012, 12:29:16 am
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.

Stark built the arm...so I doubt it's not going anywhere.

It needs to be upgraded. Extremis virus or something. Cuz that arm needs to go and Misty needs her human looking arm back. And Voodoo needs to be back in the mix.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 09, 2012, 04:31:28 am
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.

Stark built the arm...so I doubt it's not going anywhere.

It needs to be upgraded. Extremis virus or something. Cuz that arm needs to go and Misty needs her human looking arm back. And Voodoo needs to be back in the mix.

Voodoo is dead currently. Could possible come back at the end of Bendis New Avengers, next month.

Extremis, nah. She's not a Ironman character and basically, that would co-op the character...having Ironman stuff totally take over her mythos. Her current arm is made from a Antarctic Vibranium and diamond combined alloy.  It has super strength and can cut/melt though most metal. This is actually the new version of her arm.

Maybe something similar to Extremis, but not the actual Extremis. That would be too much Ironman, and Misty is her own character.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 09, 2012, 06:12:47 pm
(http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/60/509d5004d7ae9/detail.jpg)
Storm is really doing her thing.

Any how, It looks like Bendis has a black male for Uncanny. wow... :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 09, 2012, 07:55:43 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.

Stark built the arm...so I doubt it's not going anywhere.

It needs to be upgraded. Extremis virus or something. Cuz that arm needs to go and Misty needs her human looking arm back. And Voodoo needs to be back in the mix.

Voodoo is dead currently. Could possible come back at the end of Bendis New Avengers, next month.

Extremis, nah. She's not a Ironman character and basically, that would co-op the character...having Ironman stuff totally take over her mythos. Her current arm is made from a Antarctic Vibranium and diamond combined alloy.  It has super strength and can cut/melt though most metal. This is actually the new version of her arm.

Maybe something similar to Extremis, but not the actual Extremis. That would be too much Ironman, and Misty is her own character.

Holy CRAP!! Voodoo is DEAD? How'd that happen?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 09, 2012, 07:57:21 pm
([url]http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/60/509d5004d7ae9/detail.jpg[/url])
Storm is really doing her thing.

Any how, It looks like Bendis has a black male for Uncanny. wow... :)


What thing is Storm doing? The X-Nanny thing? Or is it something more/else?

Who's that black male in Uncanny? He's prolly gonna die horribly...after being jobbed out for awhile.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 09, 2012, 08:27:49 pm
Actually we expected Bendis to diversify the ranks like this, he did give us Cage as a star and Black Spider Man.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 09, 2012, 08:59:42 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.

Stark built the arm...so I doubt it's not going anywhere.

It needs to be upgraded. Extremis virus or something. Cuz that arm needs to go and Misty needs her human looking arm back. And Voodoo needs to be back in the mix.

Voodoo is dead currently. Could possible come back at the end of Bendis New Avengers, next month.

Extremis, nah. She's not a Ironman character and basically, that would co-op the character...having Ironman stuff totally take over her mythos. Her current arm is made from a Antarctic Vibranium and diamond combined alloy.  It has super strength and can cut/melt though most metal. This is actually the new version of her arm.

Maybe something similar to Extremis, but not the actual Extremis. That would be too much Ironman, and Misty is her own character.

Holy CRAP!! Voodoo is DEAD? How'd that happen?

Bendis smoked him after Rick Reminder Voodoo Solo got canceled...a book Marvel should have supported to at least 12 issues. smh. He's Doctor Voodoo and became Sorcerer Supreme only to be killed off.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 09, 2012, 09:18:28 pm
([url]http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/60/509d5004d7ae9/detail.jpg[/url])
Storm is really doing her thing.

Any how, It looks like Bendis has a black male for Uncanny. wow... :)


What thing is Storm doing? The X-Nanny thing? Or is it something more/else?

Who's that black male in Uncanny? He's prolly gonna die horribly...after being jobbed out for awhile.


I was being sarcastic lol. My dead pan jokes suck.  :)

But she's not a central part of the two books that are central to the meta plot of the X-verse. All-New X-men (where she is a background/support character and we don't know how long) and Uncanny X-men (A team that she was kicked off of during AvX), the top selling Uncanny Avengers (where R. Reminder wanted her).

 She's being marginalized
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on November 10, 2012, 09:31:00 am
She is marginalized and regressed. She is far less now than where she was prior to AVX and any who doesn't admit it are lying to themselves.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 10, 2012, 10:19:10 am
She is marginalized and regressed. She is far less now than where she was prior to AVX and any who doesn't admit it are lying to themselves.

Agreed. I can't even bring up the whole female minority character. Misty has a lead role in a book that will initially get a big push and love from fans asking for all female title. Shuri and Monica possible have a shot on a few other teams, if not this one.

But to me, this is regression. You are completely correct. This is below the Morrison era, at least then she was the central focus and leader of X-treme X-men. This isn't right, but we all saw it with Bendis coming to the X-office.

I know I saw it. Peep this, the only reason she is in Wolverine and the X-men is to be Logan's boo thing or a year or so...wtf.

No one can tell me that it would not have been a lot better if she was leading Uncanny Avengers, or on NEW Avengers. Hell, if they just reboot Wood's X-men book and let her lead that.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on November 10, 2012, 10:31:07 am
([url]http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/60/509d5004d7ae9/detail.jpg[/url])
Storm is really doing her thing.

Any how, It looks like Bendis has a black male for Uncanny. wow... :)


Chris Bachlao's art is so stylized that unless its real obvious, like with Magneto and his helmet, I can't tell who anybody is.

That said, could the Black guy with the stick and the girl behind him be Prodigy and Surge?

They already were working for Scott on Utopia. It might make sense for Scott to promote them to the main team( since he's lost both Colossus and Namor).

Or they could be new. With this art I can't tell.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on November 10, 2012, 11:02:59 am
Chris Bachlao's art is so stylized that unless its real obvious, like with Magneto and his helmet, I can't tell who anybody is.

Not fond of his art either.  Was so glad Nick Bradshaw took over Wolvie and X-Men.

Bendis on my X-Books, I am so stoked!! 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 10, 2012, 05:55:32 pm
Chris Bachlao's art is so stylized that unless its real obvious, like with Magneto and his helmet, I can't tell who anybody is.

Not fond of his art either.  Was so glad Nick Bradshaw took over Wolvie and X-Men.

Bendis on my X-Books, I am so stoked!!

You are rare. lol
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on November 10, 2012, 07:41:26 pm
Chris Bachlao's art is so stylized that unless its real obvious, like with Magneto and his helmet, I can't tell who anybody is.

Not fond of his art either.  Was so glad Nick Bradshaw took over Wolvie and X-Men.

Bendis on my X-Books, I am so stoked!!

You are rare. lol

I know right!!  Just hoping the books are good.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 10, 2012, 10:19:35 pm
The Fearless Defenders?    That's a great cover! :)

It really, really is!!

Now. Reed Richards should fix Misty's arm. C'mon man they know enough of the Human Genome to make Misty another arm that's literally her human arm drawn from her DNA's map.

No! Better yet? TCHALLA SHOULD DO IT!! Or SHURI should deliver it as a gift from TCHALLA while TCHALLA's away smashing with the rest of the New Avengers.

And uh...Shuri is due for some overdue shine in a real way. Thanks.

Stark built the arm...so I doubt it's not going anywhere.

It needs to be upgraded. Extremis virus or something. Cuz that arm needs to go and Misty needs her human looking arm back. And Voodoo needs to be back in the mix.

Voodoo is dead currently. Could possible come back at the end of Bendis New Avengers, next month.

Extremis, nah. She's not a Ironman character and basically, that would co-op the character...having Ironman stuff totally take over her mythos. Her current arm is made from a Antarctic Vibranium and diamond combined alloy.  It has super strength and can cut/melt though most metal. This is actually the new version of her arm.

Maybe something similar to Extremis, but not the actual Extremis. That would be too much Ironman, and Misty is her own character.

Holy CRAP!! Voodoo is DEAD? How'd that happen?

Bendis smoked him after Rick Reminder Voodoo Solo got canceled...a book Marvel should have supported to at least 12 issues. smh. He's Doctor Voodoo and became Sorcerer Supreme only to be killed off.  :)

I had those books. I knew they canceled the Voodoo comic and that sucked majorly. How in the world did they KILL Voodoo? Jeezus frickin Christ!! Not that I'm surprised, just...disgusted to be so right in my prognostications about Voodoo.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on November 13, 2012, 09:33:10 pm
I'm gonna call it now.  Storm will be Headmaster.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 13, 2012, 10:33:08 pm
I'm gonna call it now.  Storm will be Headmaster.

You think so? Even with Uncanny X-force and the killing going on in that book?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on November 13, 2012, 11:28:13 pm
I'm gonna call it now.  Storm will be Headmaster.

You think so? Even with Uncanny X-force and the killing going on in that book?

I don't think that's our present Storm.  All New has her normal while Force has the mohawk.  Have they said it's 616 Storm?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 14, 2012, 10:08:05 am
I'm gonna call it now.  Storm will be Headmaster.

You think so? Even with Uncanny X-force and the killing going on in that book?

I don't think that's our present Storm.  All New has her normal while Force has the mohawk.  Have they said it's 616 Storm?

What? We have TWO Storms?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on November 14, 2012, 02:43:40 pm
([url]http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/60/509d5004d7ae9/detail.jpg[/url])
Storm is really doing her thing.

Any how, It looks like Bendis has a black male for Uncanny. wow... :)


Chris Bachlao's art is so stylized that unless its real obvious, like with Magneto and his helmet, I can't tell who anybody is.

That said, could the Black guy with the stick and the girl behind him be Prodigy and Surge?

They already were working for Scott on Utopia. It might make sense for Scott to promote them to the main team( since he's lost both Colossus and Namor).

Or they could be new. With this art I can't tell.


Turns out the Black guy with the stick and the girl are new characters, Chris and Ada (I think that is thier names).

Chris heals and Ada stops time.

As for Storm, Wolverine is still Headmaster at the Jean Grey Academy.

So unless Logan quits or something, Storm isn't in charge of anything anywhere in the Xverse.
 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 14, 2012, 03:03:53 pm
Yeah, I just read the issue. I agree Vega. Also I don't think they would put her on a team who theme is Killers, and then be headmaster. If anything Shadowcat will become the sole headmaster.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 15, 2012, 06:21:24 am
Feburary issue of X-Men; Storm tries to form her own team, Angel isn't happy.  It is the final issue of this series, so maybe....
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 15, 2012, 09:22:56 am
Feburary issue of X-Men; Storm tries to form her own team, Angel isn't happy.  It is the final issue of this series, so maybe....

Yeah, I guess they are going the Avengers route will all the different X-teams, wonder if Woods is going to get that book possibly...all of these books will not last.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 21, 2012, 12:59:23 am
Feburary issue of X-Men; Storm tries to form her own team, Angel isn't happy.  It is the final issue of this series, so maybe....

Dare we hope?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on November 21, 2012, 05:51:16 am
Feburary issue of X-Men; Storm tries to form her own team, Angel isn't happy.  It is the final issue of this series, so maybe....

Dare we hope?

I would not hold my breath...if they Marvel NOW another X-book it will be Astonishing or Adjective-less X-men, in either case a book that is up against it. 


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 24, 2012, 11:43:55 am
Feburary issue of X-Men; Storm tries to form her own team, Angel isn't happy.  It is the final issue of this series, so maybe....

Dare we hope?

I would not hold my breath...if they Marvel NOW another X-book it will be Astonishing or Adjective-less X-men, in either case a book that is up against it.

That'll teach us to dare to hope. Lol.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 03, 2012, 06:18:05 pm
Quote
Storm: Rising a full 24 places, Storm is once again our highest ranking woman-of-color and considering most of our other women-of-color on this list are green or blue or pink, that’s quite a feat.
---James Gunn current GoG director

smh
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on December 03, 2012, 06:35:04 pm
Quote
Storm: Rising a full 24 places, Storm is once again our highest ranking woman-of-color and considering most of our other women-of-color on this list are green or blue or pink, that’s quite a feat.

---James Gunn current GoG director

smh


(http://www.fcwwrestling.info/images/images/BOOK_01032012jg_0037.jpg)

Tell me he didn't just say that!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 03, 2012, 06:58:28 pm
Quote
Storm: Rising a full 24 places, Storm is once again our highest ranking woman-of-color and considering most of our other women-of-color on this list are green or blue or pink, that’s quite a feat.

---James Gunn current GoG director

smh


([url]http://www.fcwwrestling.info/images/images/BOOK_01032012jg_0037.jpg[/url])

Tell me he didn't just say that!


Apparently he made a bunch of comments in a couple of blogs last year. He also had Storm as a character he would screw. But the above comment was the worst and pretty much unmentioned in the uproar.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on December 06, 2012, 08:57:26 am
I think I might have stirred up a hornet's nest:

http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92840 (http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92840)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 06, 2012, 09:25:44 am
I think I might have stirred up a hornet's nest:

[url]http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92840[/url] ([url]http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92840[/url])


I think I will join you there. Later on.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 13, 2012, 10:56:45 pm
For what it is worth it appears Jason Aaron is trying to make amends. In the BP/Storm A+X from the snippet I saw she is still covertly watching over Wakanda and he tells her he fought for their marriage but he was forced to annul.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on December 14, 2012, 04:24:31 am
For what it is worth it appears Jason Aaron is trying to make amends. In the BP/Storm A+X from the snippet I saw she is still covertly watching over Wakanda and he tells her he fought for their marriage but he was forced to annul.

Making Amends, and slowly piecing it back together are two different things. I bet this issue ends with Storm and T'challa realizing in the end they can never be together , and electing to stay friends. Not only that , Hickman seems to almost have his entire run planned out, and it seems it's going to happen without Storm, and T'challa damn sure won't be in X-force.

Believe me, nobody's forgiven Aaron for that crap he pulled in AVX VS. , and I'm  surely not going to forget about even bigger load he is going to pull in Wolverine and The X-men next Month!  >:(
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 14, 2012, 05:07:17 am
Why do people keep giving Aaron Storm to write? I really think he doesn't get her, powerwise or otherwise.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 14, 2012, 05:45:03 am
For what it is worth it appears Jason Aaron is trying to make amends. In the BP/Storm A+X from the snippet I saw she is still covertly watching over Wakanda and he tells her he fought for their marriage but he was forced to annul.

Making Amends, and slowly piecing it back together are two different things. I bet this issue ends with Storm and T'challa realizing in the end they can never be together , and electing to stay friends. Not only that , Hickman seems to almost have his entire run planned out, and it seems it's going to happen without Storm, and T'challa damn sure won't be in X-force.

Believe me, nobody's forgiven Aaron for that crap he pulled in AVX VS. , and I'm  surely not going to forget about even bigger load he is going to pull in Wolverine and The X-men next Month!  >:(

It's over but a decent resolution is fine by me. A friendship is fine.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 14, 2012, 06:25:09 am
Lord please make it stop.

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Wakanda doesn't need Storm watching over them now. She should have watched over them when Wakanda was attacked. She should have took sides with her husband. AVX was stupid with these two...I can't fault Aaron for a editorial decisions. This whole thing still strikes me as pandering to the X-boarders. Why does Wakanda need her watching over them again? The whole forced drama and problems is really pathetic. 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 14, 2012, 08:25:07 am
It was nice, it was just showing she cares for those people. They meant something to her. As a Storm fine I am pleased by this.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 14, 2012, 08:57:59 am
Yeah, It still bothers me. A reminder of how stupid AVX is/was with regards to them. Scott/Cyke? he came off better because of AvX. T'challa gained but lost Storm. Storm was a big loser.

Still, T'challa is suppose to show up in W&TXM, so who knows where they are going with this...They are both a part of each others mythos now and forever.

Still, I hope that whatever stupidity that is going on in the X-office ends...so that Storm can branch out of the X-verse, she is really missing out on some titles that she should really be a part of (Adjective-Less Avengers, NEW Avengers and Uncanny Avengers). She would have had a role in all three. Right now she is complete wall paper in All-New X-men and in Wolverine and the X-men (though she has a bigger showing here) and I'm worried about Uncanny X-force (aka the new Adjective-less X-men). I'm not impressed with Humphries Ultimates at all.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on December 14, 2012, 10:56:44 am
And yet there are still fans who argue that she's better off now than she was married to T'Challa.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 14, 2012, 12:28:31 pm
Lord please make it stop.

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Wakanda doesn't need Storm watching over them now. She should have watched over them when Wakanda was attacked. She should have took sides with her husband. AVX was stupid with these two...I can't fault Aaron for a editorial decisions. This whole thing still strikes me as pandering to the X-boarders. Why does Wakanda need her watching over them again? The whole forced drama and problems is really pathetic.



First? What book is this? Second...who's the author and artist? I like the art.

Third...I'm with Princesa. I'm glad to see Storm not clucked out and trycked out sooooo thoroughly as to show absolutely zero commonality with her continent of birth and the people in it.

Fourth...I'm glad that they are at last addressing the Storm and Panther thing with and not completely sucking by ignoring it or even worse? Giving us straight sucka mode dialogue...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 14, 2012, 01:59:11 pm
Lord please make it stop.

([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/9774549i14564/prv14564_pg5.jpg[/url])
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Wakanda doesn't need Storm watching over them now. She should have watched over them when Wakanda was attacked. She should have took sides with her husband. AVX was stupid with these two...I can't fault Aaron for a editorial decisions. This whole thing still strikes me as pandering to the X-boarders. Why does Wakanda need her watching over them again? The whole forced drama and problems is really pathetic.



First? What book is this? Second...who's the author and artist? I like the art.

Third...I'm with Princesa. I'm glad to see Storm not clucked out and trycked out sooooo thoroughly as to show absolutely zero commonality with her continent of birth and the people in it.

Fourth...I'm glad that they are at last addressing the Storm and Panther thing with and not completely sucking by ignoring it or even worse? Giving us straight sucka mode dialogue...


Jason Aaron wrote the issue. Still not feeling it bro. I'm with Hickman---Forward. New things, not backward. I mean does 10 pages do that for you? It resolves nothing. I'm a Aaron fan, but this is complete garbage. Why are they chasing a hunter? Really???? T'challa has a freaking army to do that and he is faced with something bigger that we will see in Avengers and NEW, but here his casing a hunter. LMAO. It doesn't make sense, because here you have her really concerned about a hunter...when she should have been there after Doomwar right? See how hard it is to excuse the X-office nonsense. Why did she just bounce like that, if she really cared then none of the crap that happened would have happened. Now you have the CBR X-boaders and even some fans saying that T'challa is a bad husband...because the X-office denied use to Black Panther writers? Because they totally ignored him on the X-side, while Marvel Office did the reverse with Storm (See Avengers, Fantastic Four, Civil War, S.I, etc)?

Really, they have crapped all over the marriage. What problems did they have that was so dire that it came to this? It was all forced, far wost then the actual marriage the folks were up in arms about.

I rather have them both just move on and allow the trajectories of the two to fall where they may, apart rather then be insulted by this sort of stupidity. I loved the marriage. Glad they have now have closure, but after this, I hope it stops. There is always consequences and a by-product of this for her at least is not being in mega plot titles like Adjective-less Avengers, New Avengers or Uncanny Avengers...to be wall paper in All-New X-men, and a jump off in W&TXM, and 2nd fiddle in Uncanny X-force. I'm good if T'challa never shows up in those books...I'm GLAD she is not showing up in NEW Avengers.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: The Cat on December 14, 2012, 02:14:40 pm
^^^ Completely agree...  Although I liked the pairing, the X-office did there utmost best to ruin this relationship. Now that it is over, let's keep them apart. In the future I will be happy if T'Challa had some connection with someone of the stature of Monica, or as was suggested by posters here, a character steeping in panther history.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on December 14, 2012, 08:28:51 pm
I completely disagree. Marvel needs to be held accountable for not only destroying the Storm and Black Panther marriage, but other Marvel marriages as well, where the only Marvel marriage that seems to be free of drama and stupidity is the Susan and Reed Richards marriage, which is extremely suspect.

Also, Storm and Black Panther are perfect for each other, and had Marvel writers and editors acted professionally, we probably wouldn't be discussing Storm and Black Panther in this manner at all.

I also don't appreciate Marvel giving in to all the haters and letting them win.

And I'm not giving up on Storm. She and T'Challa belong together, and Marvel and the X-office are going to continue hearing from me. Like Captain Kirk, I don't believe in the no-win scenario.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 14, 2012, 08:30:59 pm
I am happy for them to have some positive closure. About time. And good for Storm.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on December 14, 2012, 08:35:02 pm
This issue may not even be about true closure, especially if T'Challa is also going to appear in Wolverine in the X-Men. Besides, Marvel's statement of "We may not necessarily be done with these two" in relation to Storm and the Black Panther could mean anything.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 14, 2012, 09:10:39 pm
Maybe Spider. But Storm imho like a 100 ton-dead weight around T'challa neck. You have a entire editorial wing straight up and blatantly trying to sabotage him, to play him and make him look stupid, just like the other characters that are similar to T'challa ;)

Since they can't kill him, character assassination is the next best thing, and that's what they basically did. Marginalize him through her. Marginalized her, a Queen to basically having no power in the X-world to help "King Scott", who did everything. Storm nothing..why because she was married to T'challa.

Frankly, I totally understand some creators saying screw it. It's unhealthy for T'challa, more then it is for Storm. T'challa has not hit his peak yet, his potential yet. Storm has...I don't want all that drama dragging him down. She is a X character, and will always be a X-character, stuck in the X-world because of some extremely short sighted fans and Marvel X-office pandering to them.

And just a note, Aaron is a fan of T'challa...that's why he bring him in...doesn't mean that it's for Storm, nor does that remark mean that Brevoort wasn't talking about this issue.

One that is set, Hickman who has main control over T'challa story, with New Avengers being T'challa's home book, says that Storm does not show up in his titles at all. He's writing T'challa for the next 3-4 years.

It's over. If Marvel wanted...this would have been the perfect time to have them both Join the Uncanny Avengers, Have T'challa doing his thing in New Avengers, Storm in Uncanny X-force, with support roles in ANXM and W and TXM. Then possibly lead into a book together...

Here is the thing, Part of Storm fan based are pure haters, who will not support them together. That's made it easy. Keep up the good fight, but it's done man.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on December 14, 2012, 10:59:25 pm
Nope, I won't let this go. Which is one of the reasons why I've started going after the X-office and have started calling them out on a lot of stuff, not only related to Storm and Black Panther, but in the treatment of minority males in the X-Men books.

I can't just walk away from this situation because if no one confronts them (the X-office and Marvel in general), then they will continue operating as they have been operating for decades.

And generations of minority readers who come after us are going to have to face the exact same fight and same exact propblems that our generation is facing right now.

I refuse to turn my back on this and just walk away.

And I'm still not convinced that the royal marriage is "done." Since these are comics, the marriage could be brought back down the road (possibly with different people in charge at Marvel, and different writers and editors being brought in at Marvel, etc). The FUTURE is too wide-open for me to believe that the marriage is forever over.

I won't give up on Storm and Black Panther, just as you have never given up on Black Panther. You foght for everything you could for Black Panther, and have gotten what you want, and I'm going to do the same for Storm and Black Panther as a couple. Marvel has to learn that they can't give into haters and can't be unprofessional in how they handle the only black marriage in fiction.

It's just not in my nature to give up. I despise giving up. I only give up when I think something is not worth my time...but Storm and Black Panther are definitely worth my time, especially together. And Marvel is going to have to learn to be professional in handling their minority characters, just like they endeavor to be professional when handling their Caucasian characters.

And all of this goes beyond comics, which to me is why the significance of Storm and Black Panther together as a married couple is so important...so that minority children going up have a positive model of a marriage between minorities.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: RatFace on December 15, 2012, 01:13:07 am
You know what I want for Christmas? I want Marvel to support the marriage or not, enough of this half-assed sh*t. Please have the balls to go one way or the other.

 
Title: Long response
Post by: Seven on December 15, 2012, 08:27:42 am
I feel you Money. Thing is it's not going to happen, giving up or not. The X-office does not care. Maybe if you can convince Bendis, but he has shown that he doesn't get Panther and doesn't feel comfortable writing him (imho). A lot of supporters have moved on. A lot of folks are tired of the toxic nonsense and the mindless double think. I respect your heart and drive on this, that's why I said keep up the good fight. I just don't see it happening. I saw some of the back and forth on CBR, while I don't agree with you on this position, I think your heart is in the right place. (Actually saw some really funny hypocrisy from the typical blame T'challa and BP fans crew). Just understand that sometimes you don't want this sort of baggage. Look at the post there, it's a microcosm of how lots of people in the comic book shops think. It's what these fans convey to retailers and so on.

My personal experience, from NYC to Baltimore with different comic shop and these people saying slick sh*t. It's just not worth it anymore, imho. T'challa has everything except being married to Storm. He has his powers back, but is more powerful now. He's King and the Black Panther, without the excuse of ruling--which always lead to his exclusion of events and team books. He's the lead in the most important mega plot moving title with a A-list creative team, complete support from editorial, he's the main protagonist in the companion title to the flagship franchise of Marvel. The book that actually pushes the main point of the actual Avengers title. That's huge. Yes fans of the marriage lost Storm, but Storm lost a lot more. She was screwed over--and it's because of the bias and idiocy of a part of a vocal fan base that hates T'challa, Black Panther writers, etc.

The fact that you have some trying to find blame with T'challa for AVX, where there is very little example of this... show how moronic they are. Mr. Liss run; he wasn't allowed her other then a book and Page at the end opening arc. He had write her out of the title and then tried to get her back, they (X-office) denied him use, because she was 'busy'. She wasn't even doing much.

Some say Doomwar makes him a bad husband, sans some bad writing...I don't think so. These guys are suppose to be rulers and also superheroes. These fans (haters) wanted T'challa to allow Doom to take the Vibranium and then destroy Wakanda which he said in the book, there complete focus is that he chose Vibranium over Storm, thus he is a bad Husband, this mindless double think is why I started to see that her part of her very vocal fan base is insanely toxic? Think about for a second. NOTHING was/is ever good enough. NOTHING. Aaron writes T'challa LAST showing as the Black Panther in See Wakanda and Die for about the next 3-4 years, even with Storm getting her own Worlds Apart mini replacing the Panther title for a few months where T'challa did less, a Kick Ass showing and wiping out the ship  in hand to hand at the end of the book and they all whined about Storm not wiping out the entire fleet. Even though the point was not to draw more ships to Wakanda...besides showcasing T'challa, before Shuri was taking over...not good enough, it didn't matter...completely unreasonable. They say she should not have been in See Wakanda and Die, like the X-writers were dying to use her...fact is they were not. The Back to Africa arc didn't have Storm in it...I believe it was mandated...they didn't bother using her at all. Even with Mr. Hudlin having her take on Death and pretty much her, they say that he wrote her extremely weak and terrible, yet she has done NOTHING comparable since!!! NOTHING, nada...She has to totally dominate everything she is in with T'challa to make these simpletons happy. Yet these guys are silent when she chomped out of panel in the x-verse drooling, or when Hope saves her. That stuff is all good. T'challa saving her, they all whine 'damsel in distress" like the world is about to end..Never mind that during Mr. Hudlin's run to Mr. Liss run, Storm has saved T'challa over and over and over without being able to do the reverse. That's pretty toxic and one side. Enough is enough.  I can't blame Brevoort or Hickman for saying screw it. Again, Hickman wanted to use her, but pretty much sees how toxic it has become.

Enough is enough. Let the cards fall where they may. They (X-boarders) are happy with Storm being a freak Jump-off fetish mammy for Wolverine and Thor or whatever cool. They are cool with TWO different Scott Summers staring in TWO of the mega plot-flag ship titles of the X-verse, while Storm stars as lead wall paper in All-New X-men. They are happy that she now a teacher instead of a Queen, who could have ran her OWN X-agenda with all the resources at her command, they didn't make her Scott alternative and explore that!!! As Gillen said himself, Storm is not as important as you think. LMAO, what? Those where his own words...she's not important because she is Queen of one of the most advanced nations if not the most advanced nation on earth. RIGHT. They are cool with her being playing supportive shoulder to 'her time is now' Psylocke...this is Psylocke's time ya'll.... and they will have to live with the outcome of being unreasonable, the consequences of being idiotic and mindlessly biased and the reason for something with so much potential going to complete waste. I believe in lessons learned.

Instead of constructively thinking of how it could work, they trashed it at every chance from the start. Some of them are shilling for her to be in Uncanny Avengers, nah. She belongs in the X-verse as the editors and X-fans say. Uncanny is in the MU office. They want her in the X-verse, they got it. Some are crying about her not being on the Avengers, Nah, she's belongs in the X-verse as the editors and X-fans say. Some are whining about her not being on NEW AVENGERS, Nah bruh. That's T'challa shine right there. Storm's not allowed, I'm glad Hickman is not going to include her in a book. Those fans now have to live with their actions, and if UXF isn't to their liking, it's their fault. It's also their fault that they didn't do a Storm and Panther title. Since Marvel believed that the fans of the former would not support the title. So there is that.

Yost (the main supporter in the x-office) is no longer a part of the X-office. He's moved over to MU/Spidey Office/titles.
Ellis (one to show how Panther could be used, if it's just on one page is gone), is currently not writing anything for Marvel.

Fraction surprisingly wrote one of the most remembered things of AVX with T'challa pimp slapping Stark and wrote him into his defenders, yet he was not there in his Uncanny run. Makes you wonder if that was mandated.

You have stuff like Age of X, totally disrespecting the marriage. AoA where T'challa and Wakanda were wiped out completely with hardly ANY BLACK PEOPLE ANYWHERE. When T'challa could have simply been a mutant  (in AOX) or a rebel human (in AoA or AoX)...instead they used Namor for AoX and he was dead in AoA! That's their MO.

You had Storm's main writer. The god father of her mythos and the person who actually had them have feeling for each other, totally disrespect and hate on the marriage, with his complete garbage X-men Forever. Totally showed his feeling with gutter fan service emasculating T'challa, at the delight of those idiot X-fans. Never mind all the slick comment questioning his manhood in some of the X-titles. I don't trust them handling T'challa at all. It's not worth it.

It's not worth it. T'challa is better then this. Marvel knows this! T'challa has too much potential to be dragged down by this sort of garbage. He doesn't need Storm. Storm doesn't need him.  She is a part of the X-office. She is a part of the X-franchise. That's all she will ever be, a member on a team. Until they decide to merk her like they did Jean or Nightcrawler...and mark my words, it's coming.

T'challa on the other hand is showing up in animated shows and video games now, very positively. He's was awesome in every animated show he has been in and even had his own series thanks to Mr. Hudlin. He's 90 command points in the extremely popular Avengers Alliance game, higher then Storm's 48cp's and is consider the second best of his class (to Cap).  They have his script, he get's the solo comic and has been mentioned as to being a candidate by Axel, he gets to star as the main protagonist in the biggest mega plot moving book.

It's a toxic situation that a lot of folks just want to be done with. Sometime it's better to move on.

Now I totally support the other stuff about Minority treatment, and that includes Storm's treatment. I just don't support arguing for the marriage anymore. Mr. Hudlin tried to raise her profile in the entire MU, a vocal part of her fanbase rejected that, so that she could be a supporting character rather then co-star, a 2nd fiddle teacher rather then Queen, a Jump-off rather then respected wife...I'm glad Mr. Hudlin set up Monica and T'challa hints, I hope someone jumps on that...or he gets a new character that can be built up for here on out.

In fact, Monica does make a lot of sense. She could sky rocket in much the same way Black Widow has, like Ms. "Captain" Marvel will, and Storm did back in the 90's and early 2000's with the animated series and the movies! She's a woman of color, who's racial background is not written off like it's somehow a embarrassment or problematic. Like it's a negative.

You said this generation of fans? Most of them thinks she sucks, real talk. The don't see her being powerful, because Marvel has refused to show it, including Queen Storm, which should have been one of the biggest movers and shakers in the MU. But the X-offece fire walled her, because she was married to him. These are people and kids who never read her 80's stuff, the peak potential stuff from those days... they are those who think the 90's animated series is really dated, and ask why she always faints! So they go by stuff like the current comics, the anime playing right now where she is still fainting, where she is a complete joke and the movies where she is pretty weak and kinda lame (especially compared to movie heroines and the current Marvel's The Avengers, where Black Widow was one of the characters who stole the show and kicks complete ass with no fainting).

So I don't abandon her on that stuff. I'm with you on the minority stuff, on Storm getting back on the correct track, even if it is limited to being stuck in the X-verse, I just don't care anymore about them being together. If they do, great...if not...great. I'm more focus on what the x-office are going to do with her, since they needed her so badly.

Axel Alonso, Tom Brevoort, Joe Q are HUGE supporters of the Black Panther. All of them have been Black Panther editors at some point. They want to see him succeed. They have tried a lot. There is only one Mr. Hudlin, there is one one Mr. Priest, one Mr. Mcduffie (who we lost far too early). A lot of it is a bad turn of luck, like Geoff Johns leaving for DC, so T'challa's big role in the Avengers was cast aside. Some of it was trying new things to see if it could stick. As much as i didn't like the premise of T'challa in Hell's Kitchen, the story was quality and the art was great, the writer was a class act  and a very good writer (Mr. Liss) and has a lot to do with T'challa current situation, since he listened to fans and spoke his opinion to editorial.

The biggest issues coming out of that run was that T'challa needed to have his powers back, that he is not a street level character and that he needs to be in a mega plot title that matters; a avengers title with a A-list team with mega plot moving power...and he has got all of those right now.  So I just think they view Storm like ball and chain for T'challa. The key is for T'challa. I've come around to agree. I'll be fighting for Storm to be a star of her own book, or to get more focus and be a team leader..just not with T'challa.

I will say that your best hope is writing Jason Aaron and Bendis to explain your position. If you can convince them that a STORM and THE BLACK PANTHER book would sell, then who knows...they might start thinking and pitch it. Maybe a 3-4 year slow burn of them rebuilding their relationship. But for me, I just think it's time to move on. Hook T'challa up with a new character, Okoye or Monica R...You will have no drama, just good characterization and the allowance for characters to grow. Storm is a character that has been shown, will not be allowed to grow. She goes backward, see the Mohawk. I'm just saying either they get back together or move on. Let T'challa move on to someone else, something healthy.

Not that I don't agree with you or what your are saying. I agree with your post, all of it actually... I just think it's a pointless fight. Yeah, I did fight for all the stuff that is occurring now. I fought for Storm too. I fought her to join the Avengers, which got side tracked by AvX and X-editorial. I fought for Storm. A lot of the ideas like schism and Uncanny Avengers are ideas that we all came with in the BP thread FAR before Marvel even though about it. The difference is that Storm was suppose to be in Logan's place and Storm/BP were suppose to lead that team.

I just don't see a change occurring with the current ingrained mentality of the X-office. A mentality they have had for pretty much it's entire existence.

Write Aaron and Bendis. They are two who don't hold that mentality.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 15, 2012, 04:33:03 pm
The X-Office sucks. Plain and simple. And they're racist. Plain and simple. And they're panderers. Plain and simple.

Storm receives so much love among the X-fans across the board precisely because they do everything in their power to denounce her Blackness, her Africanness, make her 2nd fiddle to someone else all the time, emphasis her Mutant genetics and her alleged pronounced Caucasian genetics and DNA over her clearly Black skin and African origin, make her tantalizingly possibly available to other non-Black mutant males forever and whenever she's shown kissing people? literally more than 9 out of 10 of them are NOT Black men. She kisses non-Black men and women. [ Except for the one pitch from CC, the one near-kiss from CJP, and of course the glorious run by RH. IDR her kissing TChalla in WORLDS APART...do any of you? I hope I'm wrong. ] Nevermind the fact that the human race is encapsulated in Black genetics, and no other branch of humanity has that distinct honor and claim...so the X-dweebs pointing out her alleged "Caucasian characteristics" in actuality very strongly emphasizes her African racial ancestry and nothing else. Lol.

There are not enough fans of Storm like you, Seven, moneyspider, Princesa, Jenn and Roguestorm. And IIRC our girl Princesa is NuYorican. All day, son. And I'm a Storm fan. Unabashedly so. But this mess here is utterly repulsive to me. The emasculating commentary, the disintegration of the marriage, the destruction of much of Wakanda...all these things have a special level of stupid.

You know what? Hickman had TPG give TChalla a vision of Namor swamping Wakanda with tidal waves when he became the King of the Dead and BEFORE Namor flooded TChalla's country. I hope that means that Hickman has TChalla immediately make a plan like I do in the fanfiction I wrote [ shameless plug, the middle segment of Chapter 2 is up, and I'd appreciate any commentary pro or con on it ]. I confess, I never ever thought of Hickman when I considered any authors outside of RH and CJP who I trusted with TChalla...but he is doing a MARVELOUS [ahem ] job. My hopes are the highest that they've ever been regarding Hickman's ability to turn TChalla into a popular, strong sales gathering solo character...while turning him into a fan favorite across the board.

I also think that...given a wholesale profile upgrade of TChalla and a cooling off period...we could actually revisit the marriage, and most of the Storm fans won't be so opposed to it. The biggest issue is the X-Office...but if TChalla is a strong character with Editorial backing? They might let it happen. Money talks.

You know what? I'd love to have a successful Black female author get her hands on Storm and say...Misty Knight...and write them. That would be amazing, I think. Who could fit that profile? Who could write Ororo as a seamless Black Ororo and Storm?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 15, 2012, 10:12:52 pm
Well said. It's really said man. Not sure who has kids, or who has a daughter on this board. But Think about it, if you are a person of color...is the non-Hudlin Storm, the non-Mcduffie Storm, the Non Queen Storm the one you would want your daughter cos playing as, looking up to like you boys do Spiderman? nah.

Do a search on Tumblr of Captain Marvel, look at all the little girls, dressing up as Carol. All based on this last run, which is not sexual or fetish crap at all. She not kissing this dude or that guy. It's kind of pathetic. So while some of her fans don't like Mr. Hudlin. I always saw the marriage as sort of liberating her. Real talk, until the marriage I didn't see T-shirts in NYC with Storm, after the marriage you saw people on the block making them. Vic Vega has point it out...it's truth.

The whole AvX thing was a embarrassment. Storm attacking T'challa with a Nazi is something that is extremely damaging and makes Marvel look bad. Even if he is reformed. She's attacking her husband? Who approved that?

The first line in your post is the complete truth. Ask yourself why aren't there any African American males ever in the X-men. They killed Synch and gave his powers to Hope. LMAO. wow. But NEVER have they had a African American black male as a member...odd when the basis for the X-men most popular mythos was based on the civil rights and loosely pattern after black males leaders like Dr. MLK.

It's crazy.

And Priest had T'challa making out with Storm in Strum und Drang, but they was hating back thing. Mr. Hudlin's game must be tight. I wonder how he pulled this off in the first place. Axel probably? After they both parted it when to crap.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 17, 2012, 12:36:00 pm
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O'oreo O'snooks at her best. Smh, what a joke. Same with the X-office. A joke.
Title: Re: Long response
Post by: moneyspider on December 17, 2012, 03:09:06 pm
I feel you Money. Thing is it's not going to happen, giving up or not. The X-office does not care. Maybe if you can convince Bendis, but he has shown that he doesn't get Panther and doesn't feel comfortable writing him (imho). A lot of supporters have moved on. A lot of folks are tired of the toxic nonsense and the mindless double think. I respect your heart and drive on this, that's why I said keep up the good fight. I just don't see it happening. I saw some of the back and forth on CBR, while I don't agree with you on this position, I think your heart is in the right place. (Actually saw some really funny hypocrisy from the typical blame T'challa and BP fans crew). Just understand that sometimes you don't want this sort of baggage. Look at the post there, it's a microcosm of how lots of people in the comic book shops think. It's what these fans convey to retailers and so on.

My personal experience, from NYC to Baltimore with different comic shop and these people saying slick sh*t. It's just not worth it anymore, imho. T'challa has everything except being married to Storm. He has his powers back, but is more powerful now. He's King and the Black Panther, without the excuse of ruling--which always lead to his exclusion of events and team books. He's the lead in the most important mega plot moving title with a A-list creative team, complete support from editorial, he's the main protagonist in the companion title to the flagship franchise of Marvel. The book that actually pushes the main point of the actual Avengers title. That's huge. Yes fans of the marriage lost Storm, but Storm lost a lot more. She was screwed over--and it's because of the bias and idiocy of a part of a vocal fan base that hates T'challa, Black Panther writers, etc.

The fact that you have some trying to find blame with T'challa for AVX, where there is very little example of this... show how moronic they are. Mr. Liss run; he wasn't allowed her other then a book and Page at the end opening arc. He had write her out of the title and then tried to get her back, they (X-office) denied him use, because she was 'busy'. She wasn't even doing much.

Some say Doomwar makes him a bad husband, sans some bad writing...I don't think so. These guys are suppose to be rulers and also superheroes. These fans (haters) wanted T'challa to allow Doom to take the Vibranium and then destroy Wakanda which he said in the book, there complete focus is that he chose Vibranium over Storm, thus he is a bad Husband, this mindless double think is why I started to see that her part of her very vocal fan base is insanely toxic? Think about for a second. NOTHING was/is ever good enough. NOTHING. Aaron writes T'challa LAST showing as the Black Panther in See Wakanda and Die for about the next 3-4 years, even with Storm getting her own Worlds Apart mini replacing the Panther title for a few months where T'challa did less, a Kick Ass showing and wiping out the ship  in hand to hand at the end of the book and they all whined about Storm not wiping out the entire fleet. Even though the point was not to draw more ships to Wakanda...besides showcasing T'challa, before Shuri was taking over...not good enough, it didn't matter...completely unreasonable. They say she should not have been in See Wakanda and Die, like the X-writers were dying to use her...fact is they were not. The Back to Africa arc didn't have Storm in it...I believe it was mandated...they didn't bother using her at all. Even with Mr. Hudlin having her take on Death and pretty much her, they say that he wrote her extremely weak and terrible, yet she has done NOTHING comparable since!!! NOTHING, nada...She has to totally dominate everything she is in with T'challa to make these simpletons happy. Yet these guys are silent when she chomped out of panel in the x-verse drooling, or when Hope saves her. That stuff is all good. T'challa saving her, they all whine 'damsel in distress" like the world is about to end..Never mind that during Mr. Hudlin's run to Mr. Liss run, Storm has saved T'challa over and over and over without being able to do the reverse. That's pretty toxic and one side. Enough is enough.  I can't blame Brevoort or Hickman for saying screw it. Again, Hickman wanted to use her, but pretty much sees how toxic it has become.

Enough is enough. Let the cards fall where they may. They (X-boarders) are happy with Storm being a freak Jump-off fetish mammy for Wolverine and Thor or whatever cool. They are cool with TWO different Scott Summers staring in TWO of the mega plot-flag ship titles of the X-verse, while Storm stars as lead wall paper in All-New X-men. They are happy that she now a teacher instead of a Queen, who could have ran her OWN X-agenda with all the resources at her command, they didn't make her Scott alternative and explore that!!! As Gillen said himself, Storm is not as important as you think. LMAO, what? Those where his own words...she's not important because she is Queen of one of the most advanced nations if not the most advanced nation on earth. RIGHT. They are cool with her being playing supportive shoulder to 'her time is now' Psylocke...this is Psylocke's time ya'll.... and they will have to live with the outcome of being unreasonable, the consequences of being idiotic and mindlessly biased and the reason for something with so much potential going to complete waste. I believe in lessons learned.

Instead of constructively thinking of how it could work, they trashed it at every chance from the start. Some of them are shilling for her to be in Uncanny Avengers, nah. She belongs in the X-verse as the editors and X-fans say. Uncanny is in the MU office. They want her in the X-verse, they got it. Some are crying about her not being on the Avengers, Nah, she's belongs in the X-verse as the editors and X-fans say. Some are whining about her not being on NEW AVENGERS, Nah bruh. That's T'challa shine right there. Storm's not allowed, I'm glad Hickman is not going to include her in a book. Those fans now have to live with their actions, and if UXF isn't to their liking, it's their fault. It's also their fault that they didn't do a Storm and Panther title. Since Marvel believed that the fans of the former would not support the title. So there is that.

Yost (the main supporter in the x-office) is no longer a part of the X-office. He's moved over to MU/Spidey Office/titles.
Ellis (one to show how Panther could be used, if it's just on one page is gone), is currently not writing anything for Marvel.

Fraction surprisingly wrote one of the most remembered things of AVX with T'challa pimp slapping Stark and wrote him into his defenders, yet he was not there in his Uncanny run. Makes you wonder if that was mandated.

You have stuff like Age of X, totally disrespecting the marriage. AoA where T'challa and Wakanda were wiped out completely with hardly ANY BLACK PEOPLE ANYWHERE. When T'challa could have simply been a mutant  (in AOX) or a rebel human (in AoA or AoX)...instead they used Namor for AoX and he was dead in AoA! That's their MO.

You had Storm's main writer. The god father of her mythos and the person who actually had them have feeling for each other, totally disrespect and hate on the marriage, with his complete garbage X-men Forever. Totally showed his feeling with gutter fan service emasculating T'challa, at the delight of those idiot X-fans. Never mind all the slick comment questioning his manhood in some of the X-titles. I don't trust them handling T'challa at all. It's not worth it.

It's not worth it. T'challa is better then this. Marvel knows this! T'challa has too much potential to be dragged down by this sort of garbage. He doesn't need Storm. Storm doesn't need him.  She is a part of the X-office. She is a part of the X-franchise. That's all she will ever be, a member on a team. Until they decide to merk her like they did Jean or Nightcrawler...and mark my words, it's coming.

T'challa on the other hand is showing up in animated shows and video games now, very positively. He's was awesome in every animated show he has been in and even had his own series thanks to Mr. Hudlin. He's 90 command points in the extremely popular Avengers Alliance game, higher then Storm's 48cp's and is consider the second best of his class (to Cap).  They have his script, he get's the solo comic and has been mentioned as to being a candidate by Axel, he gets to star as the main protagonist in the biggest mega plot moving book.

It's a toxic situation that a lot of folks just want to be done with. Sometime it's better to move on.

Now I totally support the other stuff about Minority treatment, and that includes Storm's treatment. I just don't support arguing for the marriage anymore. Mr. Hudlin tried to raise her profile in the entire MU, a vocal part of her fanbase rejected that, so that she could be a supporting character rather then co-star, a 2nd fiddle teacher rather then Queen, a Jump-off rather then respected wife...I'm glad Mr. Hudlin set up Monica and T'challa hints, I hope someone jumps on that...or he gets a new character that can be built up for here on out.

In fact, Monica does make a lot of sense. She could sky rocket in much the same way Black Widow has, like Ms. "Captain" Marvel will, and Storm did back in the 90's and early 2000's with the animated series and the movies! She's a woman of color, who's racial background is not written off like it's somehow a embarrassment or problematic. Like it's a negative.

You said this generation of fans? Most of them thinks she sucks, real talk. The don't see her being powerful, because Marvel has refused to show it, including Queen Storm, which should have been one of the biggest movers and shakers in the MU. But the X-offece fire walled her, because she was married to him. These are people and kids who never read her 80's stuff, the peak potential stuff from those days... they are those who think the 90's animated series is really dated, and ask why she always faints! So they go by stuff like the current comics, the anime playing right now where she is still fainting, where she is a complete joke and the movies where she is pretty weak and kinda lame (especially compared to movie heroines and the current Marvel's The Avengers, where Black Widow was one of the characters who stole the show and kicks complete ass with no fainting).

So I don't abandon her on that stuff. I'm with you on the minority stuff, on Storm getting back on the correct track, even if it is limited to being stuck in the X-verse, I just don't care anymore about them being together. If they do, great...if not...great. I'm more focus on what the x-office are going to do with her, since they needed her so badly.

Axel Alonso, Tom Brevoort, Joe Q are HUGE supporters of the Black Panther. All of them have been Black Panther editors at some point. They want to see him succeed. They have tried a lot. There is only one Mr. Hudlin, there is one one Mr. Priest, one Mr. Mcduffie (who we lost far too early). A lot of it is a bad turn of luck, like Geoff Johns leaving for DC, so T'challa's big role in the Avengers was cast aside. Some of it was trying new things to see if it could stick. As much as i didn't like the premise of T'challa in Hell's Kitchen, the story was quality and the art was great, the writer was a class act  and a very good writer (Mr. Liss) and has a lot to do with T'challa current situation, since he listened to fans and spoke his opinion to editorial.

The biggest issues coming out of that run was that T'challa needed to have his powers back, that he is not a street level character and that he needs to be in a mega plot title that matters; a avengers title with a A-list team with mega plot moving power...and he has got all of those right now.  So I just think they view Storm like ball and chain for T'challa. The key is for T'challa. I've come around to agree. I'll be fighting for Storm to be a star of her own book, or to get more focus and be a team leader..just not with T'challa.

I will say that your best hope is writing Jason Aaron and Bendis to explain your position. If you can convince them that a STORM and THE BLACK PANTHER book would sell, then who knows...they might start thinking and pitch it. Maybe a 3-4 year slow burn of them rebuilding their relationship. But for me, I just think it's time to move on. Hook T'challa up with a new character, Okoye or Monica R...You will have no drama, just good characterization and the allowance for characters to grow. Storm is a character that has been shown, will not be allowed to grow. She goes backward, see the Mohawk. I'm just saying either they get back together or move on. Let T'challa move on to someone else, something healthy.

Not that I don't agree with you or what your are saying. I agree with your post, all of it actually... I just think it's a pointless fight. Yeah, I did fight for all the stuff that is occurring now. I fought for Storm too. I fought her to join the Avengers, which got side tracked by AvX and X-editorial. I fought for Storm. A lot of the ideas like schism and Uncanny Avengers are ideas that we all came with in the BP thread FAR before Marvel even though about it. The difference is that Storm was suppose to be in Logan's place and Storm/BP were suppose to lead that team.

I just don't see a change occurring with the current ingrained mentality of the X-office. A mentality they have had for pretty much it's entire existence.

Write Aaron and Bendis. They are two who don't hold that mentality.

Ok, thanks. I'm going to write to Jason Aaron and Brian Michael Bendis.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 17, 2012, 10:13:07 pm
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a wifebeater had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on December 18, 2012, 06:31:25 am
Minus the awe of seeing a black power couple what else do we have? None of the writers minus Hudlin, Mcduffie, Yost and even Loeb took this thing seriously at all. Once Hudlin was gone it was a slow but surely rejection to get rid of the marriage. Marvel writers rather have random hookups for shock value than anything else. Yes covers lie but honestly when you have a cover that has storm and cyke kiss it demostrates the lack of respect for the marriage by the camp. For some reason T'challa appeared to be an ass in the x-verse. I am not going to support this marriage just cause of the "black power couple" no. I supported at the time because how well it was written when done correctly but within the last few years or so it has gone to the gutter. We are too caught of the celebrity of the characters, if T'challa married Monica (either one) no one would give a sh*t (well maybe photon fans but most of them would like it anyway)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 18, 2012, 07:35:34 am
I agree with Akuma. This particular union is not worth saving, this is a hot mess.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 18, 2012, 09:11:56 am
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a wifebeater had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.

Agreed Lowe and Gillen wrote T'challa beating Storm, Aaron turned it around and put it on Storm, which I guess is more acceptable for some reason. It's done, I agree..4 years Hickman has T'challa, and maybe after that too....so I agree it's time to let go...and instead focus on Storm being the best she can be.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 18, 2012, 09:17:47 am
I agree with Akuma too. What are we fighting for? When they denied Liss, who wanted to use her, I was pretty much done. I knew it was over...he wanted to use her but was forced to write her out of the title. That's sad, like Storm can only be in one place. It was clear what they were doing.


They don't have the best intentions for T'challa. The only real hope are the guys that I mentioned, mainly Aaron, but it's to toxic to touch and writers have to cater to their base. Sadly.

I'm interested in the new "Black Swan" character. If she is good, maybe T'challa hooks up with her or something.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kristopher on December 18, 2012, 09:20:39 am
Just give her extreme Vitiligo and make her transformation complete.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 18, 2012, 09:24:57 am
Just give her extreme Vitiligo and make her transformation complete.

Haha...don't give them ideas...they tried this with the ultimate verse...but they slowly switched back. But basically, what you said.  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on December 18, 2012, 09:57:38 am
I'm interested in the new "Black Swan" character. If she is good, maybe T'challa hooks up with her or something.
First what they need to do is to build up his character some more and his popularity to increase with this king of the dead thing he has going on for himself. Lets hope this sticks this time with his "upgrade". Hickman will do fine and wonders with the character. So I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 18, 2012, 10:56:38 am
I'm interested in the new "Black Swan" character. If she is good, maybe T'challa hooks up with her or something.
First what they need to do is to build up his character some more and his popularity to increase with this king of the dead thing he has going on for himself. Lets hope this sticks this time with his "upgrade". Hickman will do fine and wonders with the character. So I'll leave it at that.
Agreed. I think the concensous Is just that. Some of the bigger haters are now hating on New Avengers and Hickman on cbr, check it out for a good laugh. They know what's up deep down inside.

NA scans look sweet.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on December 18, 2012, 11:36:15 am
Agreed. I think the concensous Is just that. Some of the bigger haters are now hating on New Avengers and Hickman on cbr, check it out for a good laugh. They know what's up deep down inside.

NA scans look sweet.
Why would I want to waste my time with the overall whining of CBR posters. No thanks Im good. I still remember I was being a smart ass when I posted the JLA pic that had all of the black heroes saying "forced and creepy" and of course mods came in and did their thing.
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Post by: Seven on December 18, 2012, 11:45:02 am
Agreed. I think the concensous Is just that. Some of the bigger haters are now hating on New Avengers and Hickman on cbr, check it out for a good laugh. They know what's up deep down inside.

NA scans look sweet.
Why would I want to waste my time with the overall whining of CBR posters. No thanks Im good. I still remember I was being a smart ass when I posted the JLA pic that had all of the black heroes saying "forced and creepy" and of course mods came in and did their thing.


Lol, I remember that. Yeah they are whinny and biased.  I was mainly talking about the Q and A by hickman and related threads. There is nothing "forced or creepy" about it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 18, 2012, 03:57:10 pm
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a wifebeater had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.

I think you said it best. Ororo isn't the problem, the X verse writers are. They are...as you said...toxic. To their core. I truly think that Ororo and TChalla are the highest profile, best made for each other, and only power couple of color in all of comics history. I'm serious. I'd like to see other power couples of color, too.

I didn't know anything about TChalla being written as a wifebeater, and Marvel editorial and Aaron intervening. What is this about Storm saying something about TChalla knocking her out? Never heard of it, but that simply goes to show the repulsiveness of the X-Verse writers sans Marvel Editorial and Aaron. Yeah, in light of this new information? I give him a pass for AvX 5 aaannnd that thing where Ororo and TChalla smack the hunter in Wakanda [ how'd that whole conversation go and  how'd it end? Anyone got scans of the whole thing? I want to know but I'm not trying to give those X-Klan...not X-Clan...hatas my money ].

With that said...who's Black Swan? I thought it was a movie...a pretty good one at that...
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Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 06:58:25 am
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.


 
I think you said it best. Ororo isn't the problem, the X verse writers are. They are...as you said...toxic. To their core. I truly think that Ororo and TChalla are the highest profile, best made for each other, and only power couple of color in all of comics history. I'm serious. I'd like to see other power couples of color, too.

I didn't know anything about TChalla being written as a wifebeater, and Marvel editorial and Aaron intervening. What is this about Storm saying something about TChalla knocking her out? Never heard of it, but that simply goes to show the repulsiveness of the X-Verse writers sans Marvel Editorial and Aaron. Yeah, in light of this new information? I give him a pass for AvX 5 aaannnd that thing where Ororo and TChalla smack the hunter in Wakanda [ how'd that whole conversation go and  how'd it end? Anyone got scans of the whole thing? I want to know but I'm not trying to give those X-Klan...not X-Clan...hatas my money ].

With that said...who's Black Swan? I thought it was a movie...a pretty good one at that...


It happend during AvX in Uncanny X-Men issue. When it happened myself and a few others wrote Tom Brevoort, so that's why it was nixed. Brevoort has Plans with T'challa and we explained why it was a bad look. Indeed Aaron wrote it away, he's a fan of the character...but I actually give Brevoort and Axel credit there. Since the X-office got her back, there is no reason T'chlla should have been trashed.

It was a one panel showing, there intention was to indeed have him as a wife beater. It took a simple explaining the backlash the would cause and how it would totally destroy the propriety. 

It's not the x-writers, it's the X-office and the whole X-culture that seems to have major issues with black men. Aaron, Yost, and Fraction all seem fine writing him. I just think there is something odd with that franchise and it's editorial indifference.

Anyway, they scrapped the marriage for this. Lmao...wow, muntan Ninja Noir? Storm??? What?

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Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 07:38:19 am
 I believe this is Black Swan. She is a new New Avengers character. Not sure if he is evil/bad or whatever. She is likely a leader, and a quote of one of her lines in mentioned in a solicit, talking about how something crushes all hope (probably to T'challa).

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1354702015 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1354702015)

Then there is the new Captian Universe.

Monica R is pretty much limbo'd...why because of Next Wave defining the character. I loved it, but it has not done her favors. According to Brevoort, when a writer has something she will show up. Smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 19, 2012, 08:38:52 am
You guys keep saying the "X-office" is at fault as if it is a seperate and unique group.  These problems have been going on for decades.  The people in the X-office now, aren't the same crew running things in the 90s.  This issue transcends one office.

I sometimes think that is also the problem.  Even thought we see it as repeated sins, they view it as; "I never did this before; someone else wrote that story.  It isn't a trend because we aren't the same people." They don't see it as a whole; only their piece.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: 4sake on December 19, 2012, 08:47:25 am
I agree with Akuma too. What are we fighting for? When they denied Liss, who wanted to use her, I was pretty much done. I knew it was over...he wanted to use her but was forced to write her out of the title. That's sad, like Storm can only be in one place. It was clear what they were doing.


They don't have the best intentions for T'challa. The only real hope are the guys that I mentioned, mainly Aaron, but it's to toxic to touch and writers have to cater to their base. Sadly.

I'm interested in the new "Black Swan" character. If she is good, maybe T'challa hooks up with her or something.
I'm indifferent to them getting back together but I also believe that they will be dating/remarried again in the next 2-5 years .. Marvel is about money they Listen to x-mens/storms most vocal fans (going by most forums I've been on are either known bigots, anti-black, anti-anything non x-related or at very lease indifferent to fact storm is a woman of color (not a man or drag queen or etc. Not to say theirs anything wrong with that its cool do u. ) but storm is a black woman no matter how many of them want to hide it/forget it/recon it or & want that fact denied.. Marvel broke them up because they currently think they can give them more money than we can/make more money off a o'oreo/o'snookie written Storm then Ororo.. And that why we should fight because when we don't we tell them that its ok to listen to bigoted fanboys/girls (also indifferent writes/editors ) & that they write they can make more money off Storm that way (where she behind in power by Logan, Scott, Havok, Kitty, Beast, Mags, yellow face-Locke (Besty) at best.. We fright so ppl who at best are indifferent to at best poc/coc aren't allow to direct said characters fates in fiction.. We shouldn't allow the fact they many fans are upset by seeing more than 1 brown characters on a page at a time let along talking to each other & getting along.. We shouldn't let them take her pose both inside & outside the x-books  & their relationship away because it make some of them uncomfortable.. And if he stop fight will just continue to get more same when it comics.. Stories like Bishop getting throw under the bus for hope & cable,  More Guy/Hal sidekick Stewart, Darwin basically written out x-factor for like 2years , Jubs turn into a vamp for no reason & taken from a writer who knew how to writer/giving to 1 who didn't have a clue about her, what dc did to Staic & mo of storm power/leadership being ignored/pushes she should receive give to others (regardless of who she married to not not married to)  .. It's gota stop some where even drow I think they end of getting back to getting back together away after its proven she make less money when written that way but its time type of thing that shouldn't been allow to happen in the 1st place.. But I understand & respect those no longer want to want to deal with the extra bs or care about them (T & O) being together & etc because at times it does seem worth the headache.. Hell in 2-5 years I may not care anymore myself but we'll see lol
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Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 10:16:19 am
You guys keep saying the "X-office" is at fault as if it is a seperate and unique group.  These problems have been going on for decades.  The people in the X-office now, aren't the same crew running things in the 90s.  This issue transcends one office.

I sometimes think that is also the problem.  Even thought we see it as repeated sins, they view it as; "I never did this before; someone else wrote that story.  It isn't a trend because we aren't the same people." They don't see it as a whole; only their piece.

That's why I said the culture. The X-office has a problem IMHO, it's the culture of that franchise. Hell, Axel was X-editor and BP editor. I get the feeling that there is a lot of politics got goes on there. Axel readily admitted that it's a problem.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 10:34:04 am
I feel you said. I'm at the point where I'm indifferent to them being together. What's the point if they are going to marginalize Panther though Storm. That's basically what was done.

T'challa is a former teacher, it makes perfect sense for him to guest teach at the Jean School/X-school whatever. He could teach everything from science to advanced martial arts. A bit sized role, similar to what Ellis did, yet they totally ignored it. She could have been at that school during Liss run, and they could have had them over lap...yet the put her in uncanny, where she had a very little role or impact. She could have been appearing in two books with more impact...and in the same role she has freaking right now..while retaining her Avenger membership. Right now, she the worst Avenger ever in recent memory...that's sad.

The excuse about not having Wakanda getting involved is compete bs. Storm was Queen, so when she was involved in any way..so was Wakanda. Moreover, the U.S is involved in all sorts of crap on the low, that no one knows about, supporting people, giving them arms...so i just found it as a way to marginalize them both..basically Storm can't be a X-men with T'challa. Even with Now's theme being a meshing of the world. It doesnt add up.

I really don't see it happening. If it does great, but with theses simpletons it will never reach its potential...which is so common sense.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: 4sake on December 19, 2012, 11:06:25 am
I feel you said. I'm at the point where I'm indifferent to them being together. What's the point if they are going to marginalize Panther though Storm. That's basically what was done.

T'challa is a former teacher, it makes perfect sense for him to guest teach at the Jean School/X-school whatever. He could teach everything from science to advanced martial arts. A bit sized role, similar to what Ellis did, yet they totally ignored it. She could have been at that school during Liss run, and they could have had them over lap...yet the put her in uncanny, where she had a very little role or impact. She could have been appearing in two books with more impact...and in the same role she has freaking right now..while retaining her Avenger membership. Right now, she the worst Avenger ever in recent memory...that's sad.

The excuse about not having Wakanda getting involved is compete bs. Storm was Queen, so when she was involved in any way..so was Wakanda. Moreover, the U.S is involved in all sorts of crap on the low, that no one knows about, supporting people, giving them arms...so i just found it as a way to marginalize them both..basically Storm can't be a X-men with T'challa. Even with Now's theme being a meshing of the world. It doesnt add up.

I really don't see it happening. If it does great, but with theses simpletons it will never reach its potential...which is so common sense.
I agree everything u said is/was true bruh. I think that what they are going to do now (T'Challa guest staring in WatX, just with add bs of him/O/ Logan being in a love triangle of sum sorta)... I get the feel JH is not that interested in doing the love life thing at all & that JA is going to handle that (for better or wrose)..  Also in a few years they need to put her back on a avengers team to make up that horrible 1st she was giving by BMB.. I don't know why KG wanted her so badly or why marvel gave her to him in his UCX because he did nothing with her & didn't seem to care about her.. My guess guest is she thier to uplift the idea that Scott team was still on the side of the law/still in good standing with the rest of the world because evaything 1 else was either a former villain or have been evil/villainous at some point or said to be going evil at some point but once again they didn't use any of her poilitcal power to say that bascilly her standing/throwing lighting and giving a smart remark here or there.. I remember will I was taking to the then current writer (vg) of the x-men book on twitter..You know the book where the x-men team up with other marvel heroes at the time.. And I ask any plans for O & her team to team up with her husand & he was like not a bad idea but no plans.. So teaming up with Ghost rider, the writers vamp team, spider man , ff (stocking O was written outmoded that arc lol), blade (who the creative team took sh*t on) & etc good/great ideas but with her husband not a bad idea but no plans.. Something is really wrong with that line of thinking & it's starts at the top..
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Post by: The Cat on December 19, 2012, 11:28:46 am
I was surprised by A+X 003.

The story itself had some charm and interesting art. A little too late for the royal couple, but as I have said in other posts, I am soooo over Storm. I didn't like the strategically placed advert, after the last page of Wolverine slobbering over 'O' though. I get why they needed to do this, because the storyline had a *hint* with a small "h", of a possible change of heart in the future between the two of then. So the need from them to send subliminal messages via 'wolverine slobber' that the break was/is permanent as far as the X-Office is concerned was not needed to convince me.
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Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 12:12:25 pm
I was surprised by A+X 003.

The story itself had some charm and interesting art. A little too late for the royal couple, but as I have said in other posts, I am soooo over Storm. I didn't like the strategically placed advert, after the last page of Wolverine slobbering over 'O' though. I get why they needed to do this, because the storyline had a *hint* with a small "h", of a possible change of heart in the future between the two of then. So the need from them to send subliminal messages via 'wolverine slobber' that the break was/is permanent as far as the X-Office is concerned was not needed to convince me.

So hold up, wolverine is in this issue? Lmao.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: The Cat on December 19, 2012, 02:09:20 pm
I was surprised by A+X 003.

The story itself had some charm and interesting art. A little too late for the royal couple, but as I have said in other posts, I am soooo over Storm. I didn't like the strategically placed advert, after the last page of Wolverine slobbering over 'O' though. I get why they needed to do this, because the storyline had a *hint* with a small "h", of a possible change of heart in the future between the two of then. So the need from them to send subliminal messages via 'wolverine slobber' that the break was/is permanent as far as the X-Office is concerned was not needed to convince me.

So hold up, wolverine is in this issue? Lmao.


Sorry, I didnt explain it well. At the end of the story, the page ended on a double spread. The page next to that last page showed Wolverine and Storm slobbering over each other as part an advertisement for Wolverine and the X-men no 24. Was it put there on purpose? In my opinion Yes.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 02:33:13 pm
I was surprised by A+X 003.

The story itself had some charm and interesting art. A little too late for the royal couple, but as I have said in other posts, I am soooo over Storm. I didn't like the strategically placed advert, after the last page of Wolverine slobbering over 'O' though. I get why they needed to do this, because the storyline had a *hint* with a small "h", of a possible change of heart in the future between the two of then. So the need from them to send subliminal messages via 'wolverine slobber' that the break was/is permanent as far as the X-Office is concerned was not needed to convince me.

So hold up, wolverine is in this issue? Lmao.


Sorry, I didnt explain it well. At the end of the story, the page ended on a double spread. The page next to that last page showed Wolverine and Storm slobbering over each other as part an advertisement for Wolverine and the X-men no 24. Was it put there on purpose? In my opinion Yes.

Lmao. Agreed.
Damn, O'snookie.

I'm glad they are done. Let T'challa move on. A good example, look at Captain Marvel has a old character (Frank) brought back to be her love interest...his home book is Captian Marvel, so no one can touch him.

T'challa deserves the same.  I'm not feeling O'snooks Storm at all, and it will be a breath of fresh air to get that part of her fan base away far as possible.

I hope they like that "Ninja Noir" in Uncanny X-force! Let has move on to bigger pastures.
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Post by: moneyspider on December 19, 2012, 02:44:48 pm
Also, there seem to be a lot of Storm fans who don't like the idea of Wolverine being romantically linked with Storm, so, that's most likely not going to last at all (especially with Marvel's track record of dismantling relationships left and right over the past few years).

I'm thinking it's for shock value, but even if it's not, this is Marvel we're talking about. I might be wrong on this, but I don't think a lot of Storm fans want to see her playing second fiddle to Wolverine's midget butt (my T'Challa and Ororo fanboysim isn't showing, is it)?

Normally I'd say the majority of Storm fans (not all, of course) are one giant hive mind like the Borg with their Borg Queen (name will be withheld), but I think there are several separate factions of Storm fans: some want her with Wolverine, some want her with Black Panther while some don't, some want her with Thor, some want her with Dracula, some want her with Nightcrawler, and some want her single because their favorite rallying cry is "Storm doesn't need a man!" (technically she doesn't, because no fictional characters NEED mates, but some Storm fans love to deny Storm the opportunity to have a love life).
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 19, 2012, 03:19:31 pm
Yeah, I just find that part of her fanbase irrational.

Then problem with Logan is he has jump-offs and his relationships end up with his partner being dead!
Thor has at least THREE other love interest that will always come before Storm, who have history with Thor, and two of then are real Gods and Asgardians. One of them is starting in a solo book and a character in his movie. another is a character in his movie and love interest. The last is going to show up as well.

Lady Sif, Enchantress and Jane Foster.

Dracula? Fabio Dracula? Lmao. And nightcrawer is dead. who knows, knowing Marvel maybe they will hook up...in the After life. I really hate her direction. I actually worry that she is the next Jean, the next Nightcrawer.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on December 19, 2012, 08:15:03 pm
I think a lot of Marvel Chracters have that ONE true love. For Peter it's MJ, for Tony it's pepper, for Scott it's Jean, and for Reed its Sue, and for Bruce it's Betty. But of all of those only one couple is married and happy. In this age Marvel doesn't value marriage as much as in the old days. But I think that right now T'challa and Storm will have the same dynamic that Peter and MJ had after OMD. In that they're just friends and flirtatious. But in other media I guarantee you won't see Storm with Forge or T'challa with Monica. MVC, Next Avengers, BP's Cartoon, and Super Hero Squad. All established them as love interests. The marriage may be over but the love between the two of them will always be there.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 19, 2012, 09:40:57 pm
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a wifebeater had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.

I think you said it best. Ororo isn't the problem, the X verse writers are. They are...as you said...toxic. To their core. I truly think that Ororo and TChalla are the highest profile, best made for each other, and only power couple of color in all of comics history. I'm serious. I'd like to see other power couples of color, too.

I didn't know anything about TChalla being written as a wifebeater, and Marvel editorial and Aaron intervening. What is this about Storm saying something about TChalla knocking her out? Never heard of it, but that simply goes to show the repulsiveness of the X-Verse writers sans Marvel Editorial and Aaron. Yeah, in light of this new information? I give him a pass for AvX 5 aaannnd that thing where Ororo and TChalla smack the hunter in Wakanda [ how'd that whole conversation go and  how'd it end? Anyone got scans of the whole thing? I want to know but I'm not trying to give those X-Klan...not X-Clan...hatas my money ].

With that said...who's Black Swan? I thought it was a movie...a pretty good one at that...

The X Verse writers have been problematic. Personally I would call them "petty" and "insipid" and more than "racist". They do pander to the lowest. Seven I think summed it up as to the "fight". Storm was recounting getting carried off after getting coldcocked. I'll be honest while it was a bad look I wouldn't call him a "wifebeater" for fighting back against someone trying to fry him.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 06:01:03 am
I think a lot of Marvel Chracters have that ONE true love. For Peter it's MJ, for Tony it's pepper, for Scott it's Jean, and for Reed its Sue, and for Bruce it's Betty. But of all of those only one couple is married and happy. In this age Marvel doesn't value marriage as much as in the old days. But I think that right now T'challa and Storm will have the same dynamic that Peter and MJ had after OMD. In that they're just friends and flirtatious. But in other media I guarantee you won't see Storm with Forge or T'challa with Monica. MVC, Next Avengers, BP's Cartoon, and Super Hero Squad. All established them as love interests. The marriage may be over but the love between the two of them will always be there.

Not when she is sucking Logan's face.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 06:03:42 am
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a wifebeater had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.

I think you said it best. Ororo isn't the problem, the X verse writers are. They are...as you said...toxic. To their core. I truly think that Ororo and TChalla are the highest profile, best made for each other, and only power couple of color in all of comics history. I'm serious. I'd like to see other power couples of color, too.

I didn't know anything about TChalla being written as a wifebeater, and Marvel editorial and Aaron intervening. What is this about Storm saying something about TChalla knocking her out? Never heard of it, but that simply goes to show the repulsiveness of the X-Verse writers sans Marvel Editorial and Aaron. Yeah, in light of this new information? I give him a pass for AvX 5 aaannnd that thing where Ororo and TChalla smack the hunter in Wakanda [ how'd that whole conversation go and  how'd it end? Anyone got scans of the whole thing? I want to know but I'm not trying to give those X-Klan...not X-Clan...hatas my money ].

With that said...who's Black Swan? I thought it was a movie...a pretty good one at that...

The X Verse writers have been problematic. Personally I would call them "petty" and "insipid" and more than "racist". They do pander to the lowest. Seven I think summed it up as to the "fight". Storm was recounting getting carried off after getting coldcocked. I'll be honest while it was a bad look I wouldn't call him a "wifebeater" for fighting back against someone trying to fry him.

Agreed. Me either, and Aaron did indeed change it. That VS issue could have done just that.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on December 20, 2012, 06:58:30 am
Not when she is sucking Logan's face.
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Yea your right, and Aaron confirmed they are DONE FOR GOOD! So i'm pretty much done talking about Storm, because it's not going to change anything.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 08:39:32 am
It's the X office norm, frankly I can't really see myself supporting the X titles. This is what I was trying to explain to money spider. It's not worth it, but in the end i think fans of the marriage will be vindicated.

When Bendis uses her as a shock death, like he has some other characters. We call all sit back and just watch. If Jean can be knocked off, Storm sure as hell can, especially since she isn't really important anymore. She's a supporting character, jump off and 2nd string teacher.

For the life of me..I don't see how that is more compelling then being a Queen. Something the X-office NEVER explored. Look at the lack of female mover and shakers...now staring in NA. Storm could have been that...yet they totally jump over her on every level.


This is why we all should be good. In the end we will be right and the haters wil have to live with the consequences.

They better hope Gail Simone wants to write her solo or something..other then that I dont thing she could support a title. From a possible Storm and the Black Panther, which would fit right in with the NOW titles, to being a substitute teacher, 2nd fiddle to psylocke, and Logan's jump off is a really bad look.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 08:40:30 am
Also, where did he confirm it? Fb or twitter?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 20, 2012, 08:47:08 am
Honestly this is my opinion and nobody else but do I WANT them back together? No. Do I think they will be  at some time? Yes. To some degree or other.  I think Marvel is a multi-billion dollar world-wide corporation and it won't be run by a sliver of idiots on a message board. They will do what they want and see in their interest. Writers come and go editors come and go.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 09:02:52 am
I hope you are right. But as KIP pointed out, the X- office has always had a problem, money be damned. Think about AoA for a second. probably the biggest X-cross over back in the day, that is so popular that it has spins offs now. There was a whopping TWO black people alive in that reality. TWO, not to mention other minorites characters and one of them wasn't even from that timeline. Wtf kind of Story is that. They even killed off Snych there, I guess it was a testing ground, then gave his powers to Hope. Lmao. A world with no to very little ethnic diversity...one where Bishop was the last black man and he wasn't even from there..besides having his ethnicity moved away from being "American" black!  Really, why are they so hostile to black males?

That's the X-office...even back then. As a African American, it really rubs me the wrong way...Espicially when they rip stuff from the Civil Rights movement and some of its biggest historical figures. So the whole Storm thing doesn't surprise me. They way they treat T'challa doesn't surprise me...it's toxic, I'd rather he not be with her...I'd rather he stay FAR away from the X-office.

Again, I'm not going to tell money to give up. I just dont see the point.

I'd rather see him try something with the new Hickman characters, see if something sticks.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on December 20, 2012, 09:32:41 am
I hope you are right. But as KIP pointed out, the X- office has always had a problem, money be damned. Think about AoA for a second. probably the biggest X-cross over back in the day, that is so popular that it has spins offs now. There was a whopping TWO black people alive in that reality. TWO, not to mention other minorites characters and one of them wasn't even from that timeline. Wtf kind of Story is that. They even killed off Snych there, I guess it was a testing ground, then gave his powers to Hope. Lmao. A world with no to very little ethnic diversity...one where Bishop was the last black man and he wasn't even from there..besides having his ethnicity moved away from being "American" black!  Really, why are they so hostile to black males?

That's the X-office...even back then. As a African American, it really rubs me the wrong way...Espicially when they rip stuff from the Civil Rights movement and some of its biggest historical figures. So the whole Storm thing doesn't surprise me. They way they treat T'challa doesn't surprise me...it's toxic, I'd rather he not be with her...I'd rather he stay FAR away from the X-office.

Again, I'm not going to tell money to give up. I just dont see the point.

I'd rather see him try something with the new Hickman characters, see if something sticks.

THIS!!! THIS RIGHT HERE!!! THIS!!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on December 20, 2012, 09:54:07 am
Also, where did he confirm it? Fb or twitter?

Facebook , Someone asked if this was a Peaceful Close or a small step towards rebuilding it and Jason Aaron Replied:

"Peaceful close. Doesn't mean we won't still see them together. Just not romantically."
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 10:12:03 am
Also, where did he confirm it? Fb or twitter?

Facebook , Someone asked if this was a Peaceful Close or a small step towards rebuilding it and Jason Aaron Replied:

"Peaceful close. Doesn't mean we won't still see them together. Just not romantically."

Good, but I'd rather we don't see them together. I will make sure i write them that. I mean, he wasn't good enough to use when they were married, there is no point to putting them together now. It's a insult to the marriage fans. Beyond how messed up they handled the whole thing. It was far more forced then anything between the two. Why would we want to see them together now? Lol

Not good news for Storm, as she will indeed lose a large part of the marriage fan base. Fans who are pretty much have shown they are one of the only minority character supporting fanbases that has shown they can support a solo comic, with a black lead. She loses that...think about how much Worlds Apart sold, now think about marriage fans not buying it. Not good.

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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on December 20, 2012, 01:34:00 pm
For what it is worth it appears Jason Aaron is trying to make amends. In the BP/Storm A+X from the snippet I saw she is still covertly watching over Wakanda and he tells her he fought for their marriage but he was forced to annul.

f*ck Jason Aaron.

I've read the frak'ing story and it's lame as all frak.

Nothing major is addressed or recognized and T'Challa is left looking like a simped out chump who's forgotten that his wife sided with a bunch of bigoted mutants.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on December 20, 2012, 03:16:14 pm

f*ck Jason Aaron.

I've read the frak'ing story and it's lame as all frak.

Nothing major is addressed or recognized and T'Challa is left looking like a simped out chump who's forgotten that his wife sided with a bunch of bigoted mutants.
Based on that panel alone doesn't look good. He appears to be a whining needy little boy.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 20, 2012, 04:23:53 pm
It was horrible. Please just keep T'challa away from Storm, the X-verse, X-editorial and X-writers, unless a Avengers writer is writing it.

He's quite fine being the protagonist in "the most important" mega plot moving book, being in MU books and cosmic. He doesn't EVER have to show up there.

That was complete garbage.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 20, 2012, 09:31:17 pm
Also, where did he confirm it? Fb or twitter?

Facebook , Someone asked if this was a Peaceful Close or a small step towards rebuilding it and Jason Aaron Replied:

"Peaceful close. Doesn't mean we won't still see them together. Just not romantically."

Jesus Christ
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 20, 2012, 09:44:45 pm
Tilt at the Windmills all you want Storm and the Panther are done. It's a wrap. And I say good. It had become toxic. Seven says they tried to character assassinate T'Challa, listen the X verse writers and editors WROTE him as a wife beater but Marvel editorial and Aaron intervened (which is why I'm giving Aaron a pass on AVX 5) Storm didn't "lie" about him knocking her out  he was supposed to be a wifebeater had the X writers had their way. But not anymore. They are dearly departed and the road has been walked. Don't worry. there will be another woman in the Panther's life soon enough. Hickman is not using Storm, he doesn't want the grief. NONE OF US DO. No more trolls. No more b.s. We love ya 'RO...but ya gots to go.

I think you said it best. Ororo isn't the problem, the X verse writers are. They are...as you said...toxic. To their core. I truly think that Ororo and TChalla are the highest profile, best made for each other, and only power couple of color in all of comics history. I'm serious. I'd like to see other power couples of color, too.

I didn't know anything about TChalla being written as a wifebeater, and Marvel editorial and Aaron intervening. What is this about Storm saying something about TChalla knocking her out? Never heard of it, but that simply goes to show the repulsiveness of the X-Verse writers sans Marvel Editorial and Aaron. Yeah, in light of this new information? I give him a pass for AvX 5 aaannnd that thing where Ororo and TChalla smack the hunter in Wakanda [ how'd that whole conversation go and  how'd it end? Anyone got scans of the whole thing? I want to know but I'm not trying to give those X-Klan...not X-Clan...hatas my money ].

With that said...who's Black Swan? I thought it was a movie...a pretty good one at that...

The X Verse writers have been problematic. Personally I would call them "petty" and "insipid" and more than "racist". They do pander to the lowest. Seven I think summed it up as to the "fight". Storm was recounting getting carried off after getting coldcocked. I'll be honest while it was a bad look I wouldn't call him a "wifebeater" for fighting back against someone trying to fry him.


Okay, I missed this whole "fight" that I suppose happened in AvX. I really wanted to see it, too. Can anyone provide details as to this fight that Storm is referring to? And bottom line...I wouldn't call it a bad look when a weather witch is tossing billion volt lightning bolts with frying intentions at you, and you don't control the weather. Because you know what? TChalla could've just killed her instead of cold cocking her. This dude was chopping off the heads of Super Skrulls with the combined power of Thor, Loki and Beta Ray Bill. Dude handled the Super Skrull with all the h2h skills of all of Marvel's streetfighting and slightly above street level fighters, including Danny Rand's iron Fist, Bullseye's super accuracy, Wolverine's claws. H2h he could literally kill Ororo should he choose.

And since you know the X-dweebs far better than I ever want to? I'll bow to your characterization of them. "Petty," "Insipid" and more than "racist" it is. Or did you meant that in your opinion they're more "petty and insipid" than racist? Either way...I'm willing to capitulate to your superior knowledge of them.

Jesus Christ .Storm and Logan. Jesus Christ.

So. Who's Black Swan? Anybody got a scan? Anybody got a scan of the full fight in Wakanda between TChalla, magneto, Storm, Namor, etc?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 20, 2012, 10:47:10 pm
I say "petty" and "insipid" than "racist" because "racist" is like tossing a stink bomb in the room that ends all conversation. Was Bush racist or inept in handling Katrina? Doesn't matter folks still died but talking about the ineptitude gets you somewhere in preventative. But I don't think they are racist just because I don't like some of their work. There probably racist people whose work I do like.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on December 21, 2012, 02:54:03 am
I say "petty" and "insipid" than "racist" because "racist" is like tossing a stink bomb in the room that ends all conversation. Was Bush racist or inept in handling Katrina? Doesn't matter folks still died but talking about the ineptitude gets you somewhere in preventative. But I don't think they are racist just because I don't like some of their work. There probably racist people whose work I do like.





Both.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 21, 2012, 04:34:02 am
SI said: .

Okay, I missed this whole "fight" that I suppose happened in AvX. I really wanted to see it, too. Can anyone provide details as to this fight that Storm is referring to? And bottom line...I wouldn't call it a bad look when a weather witch is tossing billion volt lightning bolts with frying intentions at you, and you don't control the weather. Because you know what? TChalla could've just killed her instead of cold cocking her. This dude was chopping off the heads of Super Skrulls with the combined power of Thor, Loki and Beta Ray Bill. Dude handled the Super Skrull with all the h2h skills of all of Marvel's streetfighting and slightly above street level fighters, including Danny Rand's iron Fist, Bullseye's super accuracy, Wolverine's claws. H2h he could literally kill Ororo should he choose.


Ha, I've heard a Storm fan who would say that Storm would beat all of them by heerself in H2& combat too.  Realize to some Storm fans, there is nothing he can do that she can't beat.   True, I still think Aaron totally doesn't get Storm's power (How else do you explain Secret Wars?), bu t that story was all around bad.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 21, 2012, 06:53:41 am
I say "petty" and "insipid" than "racist" because "racist" is like tossing a stink bomb in the room that ends all conversation. Was Bush racist or inept in handling Katrina? Doesn't matter folks still died but talking about the ineptitude gets you somewhere in preventative. But I don't think they are racist just because I don't like some of their work. There probably racist people whose work I do like.





Both.

Agreed. Both. They are the tea baggers of the comic world.

And I agree with KIP, they are delusional Storm fans that think she can beat everyone, in everything. This one clown on CBR actually said that Storm was a better strategist, tactician and prep person then T'challa. Lmao.

They also claim, she is on par physically, as in peak human perfect. Lmao....like I said delusional. That's like claiming T'challa can fly and shoot lasers out his eye. He cannot.

And Aaron is writing her. I don't know if he doesn't understand, I just dont  think he views her as all that powerful as she was in the past. Most writers don't seem to think so either. Look at Val owning her or her being knock out cold off panel, over and over.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 21, 2012, 08:46:05 am
Eh, Valkerie won that fight for two reasons; a) she has thousands of years of battle experience; and b) Storm wasn't really trying.  Val isn't an enemy, so she held back and Val didn't.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 21, 2012, 09:21:38 am
Eh, Valkerie won that fight for two reasons; a) she has thousands of years of battle experience; and b) Storm wasn't really trying.  Val isn't an enemy, so she held back and Val didn't.

You need to explain the others. She's owned over and over off panel as well. In the Avengers by Bendis who is writing her and by other X- writers. Like Hope saving her, which is worst then anything Aaron has wrote, and that was by X-writers. Storm is in a bad place.

Gillen (sp?) even stated that she was not very important in the  X-Perts" interviews. There is a trend.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 21, 2012, 04:33:25 pm
I say "petty" and "insipid" than "racist" because "racist" is like tossing a stink bomb in the room that ends all conversation. Was Bush racist or inept in handling Katrina? Doesn't matter folks still died but talking about the ineptitude gets you somewhere in preventative. But I don't think they are racist just because I don't like some of their work. There probably racist people whose work I do like.





Both.


Cosign the points made by Princesa and Battle
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on December 22, 2012, 09:59:23 am
Also, where did he confirm it? Fb or twitter?

Facebook , Someone asked if this was a Peaceful Close or a small step towards rebuilding it and Jason Aaron Replied:

"Peaceful close. Doesn't mean we won't still see them together. Just not romantically."

In my opinion, this is just Jason Aaron's opinion about what will or will not happen in HIS run. But he does not have the final say on whether Storm and Black Panther will ever get back together. He 's just one writer working for a bunch of editors that will be gone from the company at some point in the future. To me, the FUTURE is always promising, because as Princesa pointed out a few posts ago, the people currently in charge of the X-books right now won't always be working there.

And this is one of the reasons why I refuse to give up on Storm (as her own character) and her romance with T'Challa, because I believe things can and will get better in the FUTURE for them. Right now? Yeah, the conditions at Marvel are extremely toxic, but I'm mainly fighting for the future here.

And I cannot and will not be satisfied to say "Oh, well, let the Storm fans have this messed-up version of Storm while our man Black Panther is going to new and better places" because I want Storm and Black Panther going to those new, exciting and better places together. I don't like the idea of Storm's character suffering and being limited in the X-universe.

I'm not interested in toxic Storm fans receiving karma and getting what they deserve by having Storm become a notch in X-Males belts, etc....because that to me just further ruins her character. She should be a queen, she should be a goddess, and she should not be limited to being the love fantasy and love thing of every male Caucasian mutant in the Marvel Universe.

And I've already writtern letters to Nick Lowe and I'm definitely going to write more to him and just about everyone in that X-office, not to mention other people with power at Marvel. As a literal investor in the company, I'm going to tell them exactly what is on my mind, and I'm going to let them know that they are running Storm's character into the ground (Seven, you might think they are LITERALLY running Storm into the ground...although I think if they ever killed Storm off, they would have an immediate backlash from the Storm fans who have no problems voicing their opinions to the company).

As I've stated before, the dismissal of the Storm and Black Panther marriage is way bigger than comics...to me this is an overall dismissal of a black marriage (although fictional) when this was the only representation of a black marriage that we had. And that is extremely important to me.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 22, 2012, 11:31:26 am
Money, no its not.  It's not just Aaron's opinion. Hickman has also said it was over and that it's time to move on. Brevoort seems really disinterested in Storm. He has said the same as well.  Here is the thing, what you are suggesting will be at T'challa expense. It's really time to move on man. Push for Storm to do well, hope they treat her right. Hope they explore new things, show her powers better. That will booster the argument about the marriage, but it's over man.

 Storm was kicked out of the Avengers basically. Kicked out. She could have still been a member. But they willingly gave her back. She's a extremely rigid character, with rigid fanbase...and as long as that part of her fanbase is being listened to, she will suffer IMHO.

When Hickman says she is not showing up at all in NA...and he's writing T'challa exclusively for 4 years and maybe after that. It's over.

 Axel said T'challa is a candidate for a new book, Storm is not. So keep your head up. We are right.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 22, 2012, 12:15:32 pm
I agree with Spider and Seven. It is over? Certainly it is. Now do I EVER see them getting back together? Sure. Ever is a long time. Four-five, seven, shoot, ten years from now someone will come up with a  story arc that revisits them. I see T'Challa as Hickman's Hal Jordan or Aquaman potentially, he'll be in a different sphere. He'll be one of the in demand leading men.  Likely he'll have been with someone we will love him with as much as many did Storm by then. Hopefully so. It could be very likely the fans of the couple may not even want them back by then. A lot of people loved John and Shayera--but they thought Vixen was pretty cool too.

I honestly don't think Hickman or Brevoort want Storm. In some ways I see the Avenger-side of editorial pushing for T'Challa to be single so they can use him unencumbered.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on December 22, 2012, 12:21:40 pm
...but I sure don't want to see T'Challa held hostage to that. Let him move forward.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on December 24, 2012, 04:58:03 am
still up wrapping gifts... how do you wrap a skateboard?

devil's advocate... i joined this forum to learn more about storm & BP. i was gonna publish a unauthorized version of ororo & t'challa. instead, i decided to become a student of the characters/ storyline & history. my focus is not so-much on the past... only the future of the beloved black superheroes. the wakandan legacy is truly legitimate. that's why it means so much to all of us.
 
anyway, i say all this to say, i plan to remain in an student position & learn. my grievances & fan-insight stretch beyond blogs or forums. i have taken my artistic creativity to convey my own message about our heroes. my artwork of storm & BP is just an extension of my position & opinion. the art is no different than any written post made on this site. in fact, it's exactly the same thing, only in a different format.

before i dive deep into written declarations about the characters, i need to be clear that my thought process has been intentionally developed to think 'outside' the box. making an unauthorized story was my way of blogging. for now, i've haulted on the project to study. i'd rather pay respects for what already has been done before i blindly move forward. i'm not here to sell or promote anything... only to network, be advised & promote alternative ideas for the legacy.

still a newbie... 

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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on December 24, 2012, 05:22:49 am
oh yeah... i did have a post ready to go.

i thought i needed to explain myself. i wouldn't want to offend anyone accidently or on purpose. i haven't read every thread so i may miss a subject that has already been discussed. if so my apologizes.

the following comments are not my words. i support some of the opinions expressed but not all of them.

"here's what they think about you..." --ice cube

here is the source:
http://hellyeahtchoro.tumblr.com (http://hellyeahtchoro.tumblr.com)


HATE-ED IT!!!”




Marvel never did a spectacular job of proving that these characters needed to be married in the first place, but nor have they done much to suggest the two are better off divorced now. From start to finish, it was a relationship that never received the attention it deserved. - IGN
 

Fans of the Black Panther and Storm should steer clear of this story, which is not what you want to hear about the stars of a comic. But as a whole, there’s not much more spark than throwing random sets of action figures together. Other installments of AvX: Vs. have managed to pull off some cool fights with quirky combinations — heck, Aaron and Fraction have written plenty of them — but this is worse than a dud. It’s a bomb. - Newsarama
 
You wanna skip to the part where the Black guy takes a swing at his wife and she tells him he was always a “terrible husband” and she just noticed. Yeah, that’s where you wanna go … if by “go” you mean “drop this comic book and run as rapidly as you can away from it.” - CBR
 
I’m also glad to see a lot of complaints about the domestic violence that marriage haters are cheering. Watching Storm go off and beat on her husband like she just learned that he had an out-of-wedlock child is absolutely disgusting and should be universally condemned. (Never mind that Storm is nowhere near T’Challa’s level when it comes to hand-to-hand combat.) So before we get chained up like a slave on the auction block Storm, we get Angry Black Bitch Storm. Wonderful.
 
For the record, T’Challa and Ororo did not get into “a fight,” as the marriage haters have said. T’Challa was attacked by his hoodrat wife. And they say Hudlin wrote Storm out of character?

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This really needs to be said.
 
The Black Panther fanbase is the single most bitchmade fanbase in the history of comics. Now that the marriage is over, these guys are actually sitting around asking, “What’s next?” What’s next? Isn’t it obvious how few f*cks Marvel gives about Black Panther? Hasn’t this complete dressing down of Panther not shown you enough? First they took away his country and his title, and now his wife. Why the hell would you even stick around to find out what’s next? Who GIVES a f*ck? I said years ago that I would not spend a dime on Marvel Comics until they portrayed T’Challa in the right way - as a king and a loving husband - and I am proud to say that I’ve stuck by that. But when you’re a Black Panther fan, it’s pretty easy to have no pride at all.
 
Mind you, this is the same fanbase that kept its tongue up Jonathan Maberry’s ass after his Black Panther run was so terribly written that I’m still not fully convinced that guy wasn’t a mole. This is the same fan base that cheered for David Liss and T’Challa running around Hell’s Kitchen while his own country was in shambles and at the mercy of his spoiled, inexperienced, dimwitted sister.
 
I don’t blame the pussyfication of T’Challa on Marvel - I blame it on Black Panther fans. Black Panther fans made so many excuses and sucked so much lily-white dick that they don’t even have the right to be pissed off right now. Miss me with your “we’re going to write Marvel and tell them how we feel” bullsh*t. You HAD that chance during Maberry’s BP run, when Storm was reduced to nothing…during Doomwar, when T’Challa casually threw her away without blinking an eye…during Hell’s Kitchen, when he instructed Storm not to come see him and then got pissed off when she did (and saved his sorry ass yet again). As long as T’Challa is in it, these idiots will gladly fork over their dollars, no matter how badly T’Challa is portrayed, and that’s why Marvel can continue with these bad T’Challa betrayals - I mean, portrayals.
 
And boy, his portrayal has never been this bad. Storm isn’t kidding when she says that T’Challa was a terrible husband. Even though I knew the breakup was inevitable, I never thought it would be little more than “kick rocks, bitch.” Doesn’t this reek of some leftover Doomwar sh*t? Storm - who had endured so much and sacrificed so much for this to work and saved his ass three times by my count didn’t even get the dignity of calling it off herself. Which is why I guess they had to go back and write in this sh*t.
 
Speaking of Storm…I couldn’t give less of a f*ck about her anymore. I hadn’t cared about her for quite a while pre-marriage and I sure as hell don’t give a f*ck about her now. I don’t remember who said this, but someone said that Storm’s character has been broken beyond repair - a black character that Marvel has to pretend isn’t black. There’s nothing like f*cking a black man to remind people that you’re black, so how does Marvel fix this? Not only do they break this marriage up for no good goddamn reason whatsoever, they do it to where their entire relationship is beyond repair. I don’t even think these two could bake a cake together at this point. Their marriage is destroyed…their love is destroyed…even their friendship is destroyed…and all because too many so-called fans couldn’t stand a black woman making love to and being married to a black man. And as the product of a black woman and a black man in a black marriage, that is so sad to me.
 
That’s not to suggest that all of the haters who had a problem with the marriage was racist…but let’s keep it real: most of them were. The wedding and the events leading up to them were questionable - everybody agrees on that - but up until Maberry’s run, T’Challa and Ororo had a fantastic marriage built on mutual respect and trust and genuine admiration and love. They were wonderful together, and people still bitched about it. These are the people who are way too happy that this marriage is over, ignoring the fact that Storm wasn’t being used at all prior to the marriage and will probably be marched right back to the X-Plantation to go back to being the mammy character that those fans know and love. Because that’s the Storm they like. Docile and sexless…unless she’s beating up her black ex, that is. I mean, you really have to give Marvel credit for making an entire issue just to appease the krazy Klan krowd, even if Storm does come off like a third-rate jumpoff on an episode of Love and Hip-Hop: Wakanda.
 
So what happens to this Tumblr? Mmmdunno. I’ll probably get rid of it - we’re talking about two characters that I can honestly say that I no longer like - but I may keep it around as a reminder of what used to be. *shrug*


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Remember, kids: a black woman chained up in a circus setting is much, MUCH more dignified and respectable than f*cking a black man being a queen and the wife of one of the richest, most brilliant men alive. Good thing T’Challa isn’t around to drag down Storm anymore!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on December 24, 2012, 08:12:30 am

 
Mind you, this is the same fanbase that kept its tongue up Jonathan Maberry’s ass after his Black Panther run was so terribly written that I’m still not fully convinced that guy wasn’t a mole. This is the same fan base that cheered for David Liss and T’Challa running around Hell’s Kitchen while his own country was in shambles and at the mercy of his spoiled, inexperienced, dimwitted sister.
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Can we at least have an arc written by Maberry first before we go up and arms? I think what is happening to T'Challa is a good thing and it humbled him. His arrogance and overconfidence got the best of him and he learned the hard way. Now it gives a chance for T'challa to explore this "darkside" and get his revenge. He can't do it as King because it would or could jepordize Wakanda. While everyone is busy getting to know Shuri, T'challa is behind the scenes plotting his payback. What's wrong with that?
This was a post by me and by golly i'll own up to me not seeing it with the "lets see what he is up to"
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 26, 2012, 04:03:13 pm
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?436685-Is-Storm-the-Leader-of-the-X-Men (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?436685-Is-Storm-the-Leader-of-the-X-Men)

Wow.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on December 26, 2012, 04:14:08 pm
[url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?436685-Is-Storm-the-Leader-of-the-X-Men[/url] ([url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?436685-Is-Storm-the-Leader-of-the-X-Men[/url])

Wow.


OMG  I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 29, 2012, 03:22:31 pm
still up wrapping gifts... how do you wrap a skateboard?

devil's advocate... i joined this forum to learn more about storm & BP. i was gonna publish a unauthorized version of ororo & t'challa. instead, i decided to become a student of the characters/ storyline & history. my focus is not so-much on the past... only the future of the beloved black superheroes. the wakandan legacy is truly legitimate. that's why it means so much to all of us.
 
anyway, i say all this to say, i plan to remain in an student position & learn. my grievances & fan-insight stretch beyond blogs or forums. i have taken my artistic creativity to convey my own message about our heroes. my artwork of storm & BP is just an extension of my position & opinion. the art is no different than any written post made on this site. in fact, it's exactly the same thing, only in a different format.

before i dive deep into written declarations about the characters, i need to be clear that my thought process has been intentionally developed to think 'outside' the box. making an unauthorized story was my way of blogging. for now, i've haulted on the project to study. i'd rather pay respects for what already has been done before i blindly move forward. i'm not here to sell or promote anything... only to network, be advised & promote alternative ideas for the legacy.

still a newbie... 

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([url]http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/052/e/b/afrocentric_storm__3_feat__black_panther_by_apexabyss-d4qj9uw.jpg[/url])



OMG YOU ARE DOPE, SON!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 29, 2012, 03:26:49 pm
oh yeah... i did have a post ready to go.

i thought i needed to explain myself. i wouldn't want to offend anyone accidently or on purpose. i haven't read every thread so i may miss a subject that has already been discussed. if so my apologizes.

the following comments are not my words. i support some of the opinions expressed but not all of them.

"here's what they think about you..." --ice cube

here is the source:
http://hellyeahtchoro.tumblr.com (http://hellyeahtchoro.tumblr.com)


HATE-ED IT!!!”




Marvel never did a spectacular job of proving that these characters needed to be married in the first place, but nor have they done much to suggest the two are better off divorced now. From start to finish, it was a relationship that never received the attention it deserved. - IGN
 

Fans of the Black Panther and Storm should steer clear of this story, which is not what you want to hear about the stars of a comic. But as a whole, there’s not much more spark than throwing random sets of action figures together. Other installments of AvX: Vs. have managed to pull off some cool fights with quirky combinations — heck, Aaron and Fraction have written plenty of them — but this is worse than a dud. It’s a bomb. - Newsarama
 
You wanna skip to the part where the Black guy takes a swing at his wife and she tells him he was always a “terrible husband” and she just noticed. Yeah, that’s where you wanna go … if by “go” you mean “drop this comic book and run as rapidly as you can away from it.” - CBR
 
I’m also glad to see a lot of complaints about the domestic violence that marriage haters are cheering. Watching Storm go off and beat on her husband like she just learned that he had an out-of-wedlock child is absolutely disgusting and should be universally condemned. (Never mind that Storm is nowhere near T’Challa’s level when it comes to hand-to-hand combat.) So before we get chained up like a slave on the auction block Storm, we get Angry Black Bitch Storm. Wonderful.
 
For the record, T’Challa and Ororo did not get into “a fight,” as the marriage haters have said. T’Challa was attacked by his hoodrat wife. And they say Hudlin wrote Storm out of character?

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9j29qHjIM1raaf9yo1_500.jpg)



This really needs to be said.
 
The Black Panther fanbase is the single most bitchmade fanbase in the history of comics. Now that the marriage is over, these guys are actually sitting around asking, “What’s next?” What’s next? Isn’t it obvious how few f*cks Marvel gives about Black Panther? Hasn’t this complete dressing down of Panther not shown you enough? First they took away his country and his title, and now his wife. Why the hell would you even stick around to find out what’s next? Who GIVES a f*ck? I said years ago that I would not spend a dime on Marvel Comics until they portrayed T’Challa in the right way - as a king and a loving husband - and I am proud to say that I’ve stuck by that. But when you’re a Black Panther fan, it’s pretty easy to have no pride at all.
 
Mind you, this is the same fanbase that kept its tongue up Jonathan Maberry’s ass after his Black Panther run was so terribly written that I’m still not fully convinced that guy wasn’t a mole. This is the same fan base that cheered for David Liss and T’Challa running around Hell’s Kitchen while his own country was in shambles and at the mercy of his spoiled, inexperienced, dimwitted sister.
 
I don’t blame the pussyfication of T’Challa on Marvel - I blame it on Black Panther fans. Black Panther fans made so many excuses and sucked so much lily-white dick that they don’t even have the right to be pissed off right now. Miss me with your “we’re going to write Marvel and tell them how we feel” bullsh*t. You HAD that chance during Maberry’s BP run, when Storm was reduced to nothing…during Doomwar, when T’Challa casually threw her away without blinking an eye…during Hell’s Kitchen, when he instructed Storm not to come see him and then got pissed off when she did (and saved his sorry ass yet again). As long as T’Challa is in it, these idiots will gladly fork over their dollars, no matter how badly T’Challa is portrayed, and that’s why Marvel can continue with these bad T’Challa betrayals - I mean, portrayals.
 
And boy, his portrayal has never been this bad. Storm isn’t kidding when she says that T’Challa was a terrible husband. Even though I knew the breakup was inevitable, I never thought it would be little more than “kick rocks, bitch.” Doesn’t this reek of some leftover Doomwar sh*t? Storm - who had endured so much and sacrificed so much for this to work and saved his ass three times by my count didn’t even get the dignity of calling it off herself. Which is why I guess they had to go back and write in this sh*t.
 
Speaking of Storm…I couldn’t give less of a f*ck about her anymore. I hadn’t cared about her for quite a while pre-marriage and I sure as hell don’t give a f*ck about her now. I don’t remember who said this, but someone said that Storm’s character has been broken beyond repair - a black character that Marvel has to pretend isn’t black. There’s nothing like f*cking a black man to remind people that you’re black, so how does Marvel fix this? Not only do they break this marriage up for no good goddamn reason whatsoever, they do it to where their entire relationship is beyond repair. I don’t even think these two could bake a cake together at this point. Their marriage is destroyed…their love is destroyed…even their friendship is destroyed…and all because too many so-called fans couldn’t stand a black woman making love to and being married to a black man. And as the product of a black woman and a black man in a black marriage, that is so sad to me.
 
That’s not to suggest that all of the haters who had a problem with the marriage was racist…but let’s keep it real: most of them were. The wedding and the events leading up to them were questionable - everybody agrees on that - but up until Maberry’s run, T’Challa and Ororo had a fantastic marriage built on mutual respect and trust and genuine admiration and love. They were wonderful together, and people still bitched about it. These are the people who are way too happy that this marriage is over, ignoring the fact that Storm wasn’t being used at all prior to the marriage and will probably be marched right back to the X-Plantation to go back to being the mammy character that those fans know and love. Because that’s the Storm they like. Docile and sexless…unless she’s beating up her black ex, that is. I mean, you really have to give Marvel credit for making an entire issue just to appease the krazy Klan krowd, even if Storm does come off like a third-rate jumpoff on an episode of Love and Hip-Hop: Wakanda.
 
So what happens to this Tumblr? Mmmdunno. I’ll probably get rid of it - we’re talking about two characters that I can honestly say that I no longer like - but I may keep it around as a reminder of what used to be. *shrug*


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8x58du2U31raaf9yo1_500.jpg)

Remember, kids: a black woman chained up in a circus setting is much, MUCH more dignified and respectable than f*cking a black man being a queen and the wife of one of the richest, most brilliant men alive. Good thing T’Challa isn’t around to drag down Storm anymore!



I read this blog already and I agree with a helluva lot of it. Even some of the vitriol thrown at us BP fans is understandable. Man, I do get ticked at what they do to BP...but we frankly don't have any other options if we still want BP to be alive. They'd flat out kill that brutha if we didn't keep supporting him. And with him would go any genuine Blackness in Marvel. Real talk.

Unless they get CJP to do Falcon.

And maybe somebody like RH to do Luke Cage. RH's Luke Cage is THEE DOPEST Luke Cage. The Realest. Period.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 29, 2012, 03:28:53 pm

 
Mind you, this is the same fanbase that kept its tongue up Jonathan Maberry’s ass after his Black Panther run was so terribly written that I’m still not fully convinced that guy wasn’t a mole. This is the same fan base that cheered for David Liss and T’Challa running around Hell’s Kitchen while his own country was in shambles and at the mercy of his spoiled, inexperienced, dimwitted sister.
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Can we at least have an arc written by Maberry first before we go up and arms? I think what is happening to T'Challa is a good thing and it humbled him. His arrogance and overconfidence got the best of him and he learned the hard way. Now it gives a chance for T'challa to explore this "darkside" and get his revenge. He can't do it as King because it would or could jepordize Wakanda. While everyone is busy getting to know Shuri, T'challa is behind the scenes plotting his payback. What's wrong with that?
This was a post by me and by golly i'll own up to me not seeing it with the "lets see what he is up to"

I was in the same boat with you, bruh. but you know what? We got okey-doked by some Editorial decisions that NOBODY saw coming. Maberry haters are just haters...not accurate prognosticators.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 29, 2012, 03:46:20 pm
What is AX-X3? what's this talk about Storm jealously blasting rivals into zero?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 29, 2012, 06:06:32 pm

 
Mind you, this is the same fanbase that kept its tongue up Jonathan Maberry’s ass after his Black Panther run was so terribly written that I’m still not fully convinced that guy wasn’t a mole. This is the same fan base that cheered for David Liss and T’Challa running around Hell’s Kitchen while his own country was in shambles and at the mercy of his spoiled, inexperienced, dimwitted sister.
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Can we at least have an arc written by Maberry first before we go up and arms? I think what is happening to T'Challa is a good thing and it humbled him. His arrogance and overconfidence got the best of him and he learned the hard way. Now it gives a chance for T'challa to explore this "darkside" and get his revenge. He can't do it as King because it would or could jepordize Wakanda. While everyone is busy getting to know Shuri, T'challa is behind the scenes plotting his payback. What's wrong with that?
This was a post by me and by golly i'll own up to me not seeing it with the "lets see what he is up to"

I was in the same boat with you, bruh. but you know what? We got okey-doked by some Editorial decisions that NOBODY saw coming. Maberry haters are just haters...not accurate prognosticators.

I agree. The problem wasn't Marberry. Yes, Doomwar was a let down. But real talk, it was a mini, that had ZERO impact on MU meta plot. The issue was the aftermath and the lack of direction. Maberry had plans, but Marvel had other plans. I liked Liss run a lot and like Liss even more as a person and writer. He was a cool dude, and he's a big part of what is going on now...that's how Marvel became aware of how pissed BP fans were.

I' m not opposed to deconstruction. Good characters are deconstructed. But good stories also reconstruct the character afterward. Marvel has this funny thing were they don't seem to do that with T'challa. At the same time they are upgrading characters left and right...

I'm glad someone finally go the picture (Hickman).
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 29, 2012, 06:08:43 pm
What is AX-X3? what's this talk about Storm jealously blasting rivals into zero?

You will have to read the issue. Lol. Opinions differ on the portrayal.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on December 29, 2012, 06:23:20 pm
I read this blog already and I agree with a helluva lot of it. Even some of the vitriol thrown at us BP fans is understandable. Man, I do get ticked at what they do to BP...but we frankly don't have any other options if we still want BP to be alive. They'd flat out kill that brutha if we didn't keep supporting him. And with him would go any genuine Blackness in Marvel. Real talk.

Unless they get CJP to do Falcon.

And maybe somebody like RH to do Luke Cage. RH's Luke Cage is THEE DOPEST Luke Cage. The Realest. Period.
OMG YOU ARE DOPE, SON!!

thanks, nothing but respect, bredren.
right-on, storm & "supa cat" (BP) have been one of my projects. sketch designs are jus the tip-of-the-iceberg. realtalk. 

yeah, i read it a few times before i posted it. f'ck it.
you can't agree with all of it. some statements were too sensationalized but the image with storm in chains... lord have mercy!

cage & maybe iron fist on some "rush hour" sh*t?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on December 30, 2012, 08:31:48 pm
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Do you miss the X-boards? BTW is Iron Man's new suit secretly Danger?

KieronGillen
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I do a bit. Occasionally I pop in to see what this week's genuinely mental thread title is.

(This week: " Gentle: the last X-Virgin?")

And if Danger was, would I admit it?

These guys read the X-boards...so Pandering to them is second nature.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 31, 2012, 10:58:46 pm
What is AX-X3? what's this talk about Storm jealously blasting rivals into zero?

You will have to read the issue. Lol. Opinions differ on the portrayal.

But what is the issue? What's it called?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 07, 2013, 10:04:01 am
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/xx-marvel-now-teaser.jpg)

Here's hope! Only thing is this guy killed Synch, which I will never forgive. I'm not to Keen on Uncanny X- force and Justin Biermer comparisons that Sam Humpries was making. But with Copliel this book it will have some great art. I hope Storm ends up here...he wrote her really good.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 07, 2013, 12:57:34 pm
I read this blog already and I agree with a helluva lot of it. Even some of the vitriol thrown at us BP fans is understandable. Man, I do get ticked at what they do to BP...but we frankly don't have any other options if we still want BP to be alive. They'd flat out kill that brutha if we didn't keep supporting him. And with him would go any genuine Blackness in Marvel. Real talk.

Unless they get CJP to do Falcon.

And maybe somebody like RH to do Luke Cage. RH's Luke Cage is THEE DOPEST Luke Cage. The Realest. Period.

OMG YOU ARE DOPE, SON!!


thanks, nothing but respect, bredren.
right-on, storm & "supa cat" (BP) have been one of my projects. sketch designs are jus the tip-of-the-iceberg. realtalk. 

yeah, i read it a few times before i posted it. f'ck it.
you can't agree with all of it. some statements were too sensationalized but the image with storm in chains... lord have mercy!

cage & maybe iron fist on some "rush hour" sh*t?


cage, iron fist. yeah that could work. So could Cage Kasper Cole Josiah X and Falcon. Blackwatch, X-Clan cum Marvel style. FOUR THE HARD WAY, riffin off RH and Jim Kelly and nem back in the blaxploitation days.  Lololol. Or Cage, Kasper, Josiah, Falcon, Hellcat, Tigra, Colleen Wing and the blue eyed girl, daughter of Orson Randall the Iron Fist before Daniel Rand.

And in a all martial arts slang em up? Iron Fist and Shang-Chi, just wrecking bad guys.

Elektra and Psylocke?

X-23 and Taskmaster, sent to smash some BGs?

Josiah X and Echo?

Triathlon and Sunfire?

Battlestar and Dagger?

Tarantula [ male ] and White Tiger, the first all Latino crew?

Or Miles-Spiderman and White Tiger, the first interracial Latino crew?

White Tiger, Tarantula [ female Latina, used to be part of Heroes for Hire ] and Echo, the first all Latina crew smashin heads?

All female interracial martial artists smashin heads? Sexy image, that. Elektra, blue eyed girl from K'un Lun, Colleen Wing, Psylocke or some street level version of Mantis, and that sistah who whooped on Elektra and for a short time became her sensei in Elektra's short lived series...what was her name? Drake? She was looking way too much like a dude...pretty her up. A lot. But omg she was dope.

(http://www.writeups.org/img/inset/Sensei_Drake_h3.jpg)

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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 07, 2013, 01:53:53 pm
Well' Marvel is going to have two all female books possibly. They have all white, all Asian (big hero 6) and Uncanny Avengers has onemminority (Sunfire).

It's about time for a team that has some black males, some Latino males or something.

Even though Avengers has possibly five black members (Falcon, Manifold, Sunspot, Captain Universe [a female] and possibly Nightmask from New Universal) and T'challa headlining New Avengers.

Fearless Defenders is kinda a team up book between Val and Misty Knight. Honestly, I don't thnk its going to last unless they add some more characters.


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 07, 2013, 03:25:50 pm
Fearless Defenders is a team book.

They are just going to drag out the members coming together as long as humanly possible.

So Val and Misty in issue #1, Dani Moonstar from the New Mutants in #2 and Marvel's Hippolita (a character so obscure I don't remember her) in issue #3.

I guess they are adding a member an issue.

I could see this book getting cancelled before the get to issue #7 and the seventh member.

 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 07, 2013, 04:54:48 pm
Fearless Defenders is a team book.

They are just going to drag out the members coming together as long as humanly possible.

So Val and Misty in issue #1, Dani Moonstar from the New Mutants in #2 and Marvel's Hippolita (a character so obscure I don't remember her) in issue #3.

I guess they are adding a member an issue.

I could see this book getting cancelled before the get to issue #7 and the seventh member.

Yeah, I was going by what Axel said, along with Dani those two are the core, which is fine..but right now they don't have time to drag membership out. With the XX possibly being a all female X book and the female heavy UXF this book is almost dead before it starts..
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 07, 2013, 11:21:02 pm
([url]http://i.newsarama.com/images/xx-marvel-now-teaser.jpg[/url])

Here's hope! Only thing is this guy killed Synch, which I will never forgive. I'm not to Keen on Uncanny X- force and Justin Biermer comparisons that Sam Humpries was making. But with Copliel this book it will have some great art. I hope Storm ends up here...he wrote her really good.


I refuse to read any x-book until the entire editorial staff at the x-office is fired and a whole new squad of folks are set up as their replacement
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 07, 2013, 11:27:06 pm
([url]http://i.newsarama.com/images/xx-marvel-now-teaser.jpg[/url])

Here's hope! Only thing is this guy killed Synch, which I will never forgive. I'm not to Keen on Uncanny X- force and Justin Biermer comparisons that Sam Humpries was making. But with Copliel this book it will have some great art. I hope Storm ends up here...he wrote her really good.


I refuse to read any x-book until the entire editorial staff at the x-office is fired and a whole new squad of folks are set up as their replacement


Yeah, it's kinda panthetic. Wood most def not seeing any of my money. They need to replace theses clowns...funny how Bendis is saving their ass.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 08, 2013, 05:34:20 am
How many times do I have to say this. Get the writers of Annihilation and you'll see some wonders.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on January 08, 2013, 08:29:46 am
Wood is the best Storm writer in recent memory hopefully she'll be in it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 08, 2013, 08:46:11 am
How many times do I have to say this. Get the writers of Annihilation and you'll see some wonders.

Which is probably the reason we won't see them again, they did too wonderfully.

And I'm going to give Fearless Defenders a go. Hope its not cancelled.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Kristopher on January 08, 2013, 09:33:54 am
How many times do I have to say this. Get the writers of Annihilation and you'll see some wonders.

They're busy working on their creator owned project. In other words "F#%k 'mainstream' "
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 08, 2013, 10:39:56 am
Personally, I dont see how this can be a female centric x team book.

Marvel already has Uncanny Xforce for that.

Could be a Storm or Psylocke solo book.

Could just be a Nate Grey/Xman relaunch book.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 08, 2013, 11:29:14 am
([url]http://i.newsarama.com/images/xx-marvel-now-teaser.jpg[/url])

Here's hope! Only thing is this guy killed Synch, which I will never forgive. I'm not to Keen on Uncanny X- force and Justin Biermer comparisons that Sam Humpries was making. But with Copliel this book it will have some great art. I hope Storm ends up here...he wrote her really good.


X-Treme X-Men?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 08, 2013, 11:55:36 am
Yeah, that could be it. Or X-woman or X-23.

Also, Bendis gets props for making a minority male mutant for his Uncanny X-men. Like I said, he's the only saving grace for them..even though he can't write T'challa to save his life.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 08, 2013, 12:42:08 pm

Which is probably the reason we won't see them again, they did too wonderfully.

They're busy working on their creator owned project. In other words "F#%k 'mainstream' "
Sighes I know. If it wasn't for Giffen we would not be seeing Starlord. Gage's quasar story was compelling. His writing of unknown and barely used characters is extraordinary. The same goes for DnA. Dayum and none of them are writing anything to my knowledge. It is a dayum shame too.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 08, 2013, 04:11:02 pm
Yeah, that could be it. Or X-woman or X-23.

Also, Bendis gets props for making a minority male mutant for his Uncanny X-men. Like I said, he's the only saving grace for them..even though he can't write T'challa to save his life.

yea, looking forward to see what he does with him.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 09, 2013, 11:56:30 am
Yeah, that could be it. Or X-woman or X-23.

Also, Bendis gets props for making a minority male mutant for his Uncanny X-men. Like I said, he's the only saving grace for them..even though he can't write T'challa to save his life.

It should be noted the usual suspects already lined up and where taking pot shots at that character and we all know why

O is playing second fiddle to people she out ranks in teh leadership role but hey that entire franchise is now a wtf moment after wtf moment
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on January 09, 2013, 12:34:32 pm
Personally, I don't even give a frak about Storm anymore as a character.

Hickman seems to have hit his stride with T'Challa in his New Avengers portrayals so frak the non-bendis penned side of the House of X.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 09, 2013, 01:15:00 pm
Personally, I don't even give a frak about Storm anymore as a character.

Hickman seems to have hit his stride with T'Challa in his New Avengers portrayals so frak the non-bendis penned side of the House of X.

Trying hard to hold on man. But honesty, idk...I'm not buying any title she's in..so there is that. And someone said that Panther and Storm aren't black characters...false. Storm isn't a black character, she disconnected. T'challa on the other hand...is also defined by his african background and the haters are well aware..just look at the New Avengers reviews and that says it all. Lol
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 09, 2013, 04:59:09 pm
I still have hope for Storm...I have faith in my boy Bendis, all you haters just watch!  lol
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Post by: Seven on January 09, 2013, 07:01:31 pm
I still have hope for Storm...I have faith in my boy Bendis, all you haters just watch!  lol

Ah, I'm not a hater. I'm a realist. I give Bendis props for a lot of things, I have done it over and over on this board and in this thread. Lol. But he sucks at writing T'challa, that's just how it is.  ;D But I give him props on tons of things. :)

And Bendis can't save Storm, her home book is Uncanny X-Force, possibly XX book with Wood, but she is likey the one that gets kicked out...after all Psylocke isn't a part of the school and they are "outsiders"...Storm is and her role is minimal in All-new..she's wall paper. I can't blame Bendis for punting. She's been all but banished from the X-meta plot.

They only save is if they allow this XX book to be her mutant mandate to counter Logan and Scott. BUT I doubt it. I see the book staring Mystique or something (The movie and Jennifer Lawerance starring as her).
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on January 11, 2013, 07:17:04 am
I saw the preview for Uncanny X-Force it was Psylocke who got kicked out, because she's been a wreck since the end of the last x-force series,  but it's been said the duties of Ororo with X-force and being at the school will come to head. But one thing I noticed about Ororo she's been more of a wreck about the divorce than T'challa, she's been stalking him, plus she lied about him knocking her out, and now she's ripped her hair out and is joining forces with a mutant black ops squad.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on January 11, 2013, 08:18:10 am
Bendis I think would be great for Storm if he liked Storm. He is great with his favorites like Cage and Dare Devil and Iron Fist and Spider Woman but there is no sign he has an active interest in her. You like who you like as a writer. I think he could have  wrote a great BP if he wanted to write the character. He didn't. So it is what it is. Storm is being written like a piece meal mess right now with no version connected.
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Post by: Seven on January 11, 2013, 02:10:33 pm
Good points yall, I agree. Smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 12, 2013, 11:06:13 pm
I saw the preview for Uncanny X-Force it was Psylocke who got kicked out, because she's been a wreck since the end of the last x-force series,  but it's been said the duties of Ororo with X-force and being at the school will come to head. But one thing I noticed about Ororo she's been more of a wreck about the divorce than T'challa, she's been stalking him, plus she lied about him knocking her out, and now she's ripped her hair out and is joining forces with a mutant black ops squad.

Isn't she locked up with Logan? Man. Storm. Poor Storm. I don't dislike Storm...I dislike and distrust the X-Office.
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Post by: Seven on January 13, 2013, 12:36:09 pm
I saw the preview for Uncanny X-Force it was Psylocke who got kicked out, because she's been a wreck since the end of the last x-force series,  but it's been said the duties of Ororo with X-force and being at the school will come to head. But one thing I noticed about Ororo she's been more of a wreck about the divorce than T'challa, she's been stalking him, plus she lied about him knocking her out, and now she's ripped her hair out and is joining forces with a mutant black ops squad.

Isn't she locked up with Logan? Man. Storm. Poor Storm. I don't dislike Storm...I dislike and distrust the X-Office.

She's lost man. Lost. In hindsight the way some fans acted and the way that the X-office sabotaged the marriage is going to come back to bite them. Some of them are dilousional if they think Storm is Marvel leading lady. She's not and they surely are not treating her that way.

I dont think Panther fans accept crumbs, But a lot of Storm fans do. Just showing up as wall paper isn't being on top or "winning"...and if they are pleased with that, then that's what Marvel will give them.

Again, she's been shut out of the X-men mega plot...that's ran by Bendis and put in a book described as being outsider and also second fiddled in that book. Idk, man.

I'm good with T'challa being the star of NA and not showing up much, since that book is driving the mega plot of the Avengers. It's quite different.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 13, 2013, 01:05:12 pm
I saw the preview for Uncanny X-Force it was Psylocke who got kicked out, because she's been a wreck since the end of the last x-force series,  but it's been said the duties of Ororo with X-force and being at the school will come to head. But one thing I noticed about Ororo she's been more of a wreck about the divorce than T'challa, she's been stalking him, plus she lied about him knocking her out, and now she's ripped her hair out and is joining forces with a mutant black ops squad.

Isn't she locked up with Logan? Man. Storm. Poor Storm. I don't dislike Storm...I dislike and distrust the X-Office.

She's lost man. Lost. In hindsight the way some fans acted and the way that the X-office sabotaged the marriage is going to come back to bite them. Some of them are dilousional if they think Storm is Marvel leading lady. She's not and they surely are not treating her that way.

I dont think Panther fans accept crumbs, But a lot of Storm fans do. Just showing up as wall paper isn't being on top or "winning"...and if they are pleased with that, then that's what Marvel will give them.

Again, she's been shut out of the X-men mega plot...that's ran by Bendis and put in a book described as being outsider and also second fiddled in that book. Idk, man.

I'm good with T'challa being the star of NA and not showing up much, since that book is driving the mega plot of the Avengers. It's quite different.

Which means, in a nutshell, she's screwed and that Marvel is heartily sick of the idea of a Black megapower couple, that loves each other and everything.

Unless...BP and Storm hook up after Hickman makes BP a star.

And the X-Office hasn't killed Storm...which they might.

 They mya think that they don't need a Black woman anymore. They have Moonstar and Psylocke who rep female underrepresented "minorities". They don't need any Black people in the X-Universe at all, it seems. Aint it ironic that Hickman is also writing Sunspot, one of the extremely few non-dead, actually empowered Black male mutants, as well as TChalla?

And where's Bishop, anyway?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 13, 2013, 05:06:48 pm
Aint it ironic that Hickman is also writing Sunspot, one of the extremely few non-dead, actually empowered Black male mutants, as well as TChalla?

Don't forget sane and non-villainous.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: panther0123 on January 13, 2013, 07:30:13 pm
I saw the preview for Uncanny X-Force it was Psylocke who got kicked out, because she's been a wreck since the end of the last x-force series,  but it's been said the duties of Ororo with X-force and being at the school will come to head. But one thing I noticed about Ororo she's been more of a wreck about the divorce than T'challa, she's been stalking him, plus she lied about him knocking her out, and now she's ripped her hair out and is joining forces with a mutant black ops squad.

Isn't she locked up with Logan? Man. Storm. Poor Storm. I don't dislike Storm...I dislike and distrust the X-Office.

She's lost man. Lost. In hindsight the way some fans acted and the way that the X-office sabotaged the marriage is going to come back to bite them. Some of them are dilousional if they think Storm is Marvel leading lady. She's not and they surely are not treating her that way.

I dont think Panther fans accept crumbs, But a lot of Storm fans do. Just showing up as wall paper isn't being on top or "winning"...and if they are pleased with that, then that's what Marvel will give them.

Again, she's been shut out of the X-men mega plot...that's ran by Bendis and put in a book described as being outsider and also second fiddled in that book. Idk, man.

I'm good with T'challa being the star of NA and not showing up much, since that book is driving the mega plot of the Avengers. It's quite different.

Which means, in a nutshell, she's screwed and that Marvel is heartily sick of the idea of a Black megapower couple, that loves each other and everything.

Unless...BP and Storm hook up after Hickman makes BP a star.

And the X-Office hasn't killed Storm...which they might.

 They mya think that they don't need a Black woman anymore. They have Moonstar and Psylocke who rep female underrepresented "minorities". They don't need any Black people in the X-Universe at all, it seems. Aint it ironic that Hickman is also writing Sunspot, one of the extremely few non-dead, actually empowered Black male mutants, as well as TChalla?

And where's Bishop, anyway?

I though last I heard that the X-Force's next arc was going to be them going after Bishop. Bishop was "insanely" hunting down Hope and Cable in the future.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on January 14, 2013, 07:40:31 am
I'm willing to bet that Bishop may just join the Uncanny X-Force team at the end of that arc! Think about it, Cable and X-force, on one side and Bishop and X-force on the other.

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 14, 2013, 08:15:20 am
I'm willing to bet that Bishop may just join the Uncanny X-Force team at the end of that arc! Think about it, Cable and X-force, on one side and Bishop and X-force on the other.

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.

So I was correct. Wow. Smfh. They couldn't have Storm as the star? Why, because they don't need to...lots of Storm fans love stuff like wall paper appearances...and being on multiple teams. I thought Storm should have been in charge of the third faction. Apparently allowing Storm, the "so-called top Marvel female" to have her own mandate outside of Logan and Scott is too much.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 14, 2013, 08:21:31 am
More details.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=43153 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=43153)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 14, 2013, 08:21:58 am
Maybe Storm is the leader, but not the focus.
I don't see Jubilee as the leader. I just see her as the reason why this team is together.

But yeah...STorm is spread around the x-verse. I wonder if this is in reaction to T'challa's big position.  I just hope that she doesn't make anti-T'challa comments in ALL of her books!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 14, 2013, 08:42:20 am
Maybe Storm is the leader, but not the focus.
I don't see Jubilee as the leader. I just see her as the reason why this team is together.

But yeah...STorm is spread around the x-verse. I wonder if this is in reaction to T'challa's big position.  I just hope that she doesn't make anti-T'challa comments in ALL of her books!

Storm been "leader" before.  Is she allowed to grow and evolve...is it forever backward with her or something?. If she's the top lady, isn't it about time that she is the star? And being around different X-books as basically wall paper...I hope the lines they give her isn't wasted on that stupidity.

Look at Legacy, and what happend to Storm there.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on January 14, 2013, 10:15:32 am
I like the looks of this book. Very good news, Woods is the best writer for Storm and I like the cast.
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Post by: Mad Coco G on January 14, 2013, 10:51:30 am

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.

And remember folks it wasn't that long after the whole saga with the vampires that Jubilee was quietly removed from the books she was in especially the book O was the "leader" of, once again the so called greatest leader the team has ever known( according to some people ) plays second fiddle to someone she out ranks.

I'm really glad I don't give anything with a "X" on it my money and I'm sticking to the boycott
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 14, 2013, 11:04:33 am

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.

And remember folks it wasn't that long after the whole saga with the vampires that Jubilee was quietly removed from the books she was in especially the book O was the "leader" of, once again the so called greatest leader the team has ever known( according to some people ) plays second fiddle to someone she out ranks.

I'm really glad I don't give anything with a "X" on it my money and I'm sticking to the boycott

Agreed. Bizarre ish isn't it?

 
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A little bit of what I said above, about the characterization. The X-Men are perfect, when you get down to it. They don't need anything, they are this great community of interlocking personalities that generate all the action, drama, love, sadness, betrayal, and sex you could ask for, and more. My approach is to facilitate that, let them be the X-Men everyone recognizes and knows, give them classic villains to fight, plenty of chances for action, and not pull any punches in the process.

Says Synch's killer Brian Wood. No wonder then annulled the marriage. You can't tell me that the X-office isn't suspect.
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Post by: Skullmageddon on January 14, 2013, 11:13:51 am
I'm willing to bet that Bishop may just join the Uncanny X-Force team at the end of that arc! Think about it, Cable and X-force, on one side and Bishop and X-force on the other.

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.

So I was correct. Wow. Smfh. They couldn't have Storm as the star? Why, because they don't need to...lots of Storm fans love stuff like wall paper appearances...and being on multiple teams. I thought Storm should have been in charge of the third faction. Apparently allowing Storm, the "so-called top Marvel female" to have her own mandate outside of Logan and Scott is too much.

It's both funny and sad (more so sad) to watch unfold. The X-Office with Marvel's blessing have truly effectively turned Storm into little more than a background character. Even when I disliked the Marriage, I knew that Storm was in a position to truly take the next step in her influence as a character. Not only was she the most powerful woman on 616's Earth, but she was in position to claim her legacy as Xavier's heir. As it stands now, Storm has missed 4 different opportunities (Schism, Uncanny Avengers, Uncanny X-Force and now X-Men) to potentially be shown in position of power, leadership and importance. I think the tone has been set and with Movie positioning more important than storytelling, this may not changing for a while.
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Post by: Seven on January 14, 2013, 11:43:17 am
I'm willing to bet that Bishop may just join the Uncanny X-Force team at the end of that arc! Think about it, Cable and X-force, on one side and Bishop and X-force on the other.

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.

So I was correct. Wow. Smfh. They couldn't have Storm as the star? Why, because they don't need to...lots of Storm fans love stuff like wall paper appearances...and being on multiple teams. I thought Storm should have been in charge of the third faction. Apparently allowing Storm, the "so-called top Marvel female" to have her own mandate outside of Logan and Scott is too much.

It's both funny and sad (more so sad) to watch unfold. The X-Office with Marvel's blessing have truly effectively turned Storm into little more than a background character. Even when I disliked the Marriage, I knew that Storm was in a position to truly take the next step in her influence as a character. Not only was she the most powerful woman on 616's Earth, but she was in position to claim her legacy as Xavier's heir. As it stands now, Storm has missed 4 different opportunities (Schism, Uncanny Avengers, Uncanny X-Force and now X-Men) to potentially be shown in position of power, leadership and importance. I think the tone has been set and with Movie positioning more important than storytelling, this may not changing for a while.

This is the most reasonable post I have seen by a non-marriage fan. That was the perk, and sadly lots of folks miss it. Including Storm being a Black Disney Princess (one with a black King), that has a lot of sell potential with non comic readers.

It's blown opportunity and as much I want to just walk away, it makes me pissed off. So yeah, she's the "leader" in this book...but Storm has lead the Flag ship X-men before during the X-men prime days. It seems exploitive. Idk, Wood writes a strong Storm, but Bendis is in charge of the flag ship team, and the meta plot just like he did with the Avengers, so she a part of a outsider X-force and 4th String (behind All-new and Uncanny and even W and X-men) X-woman team?

I just don't see why they treat her the way they do...they are missing the point. Why she could be leader and also the central character is beyond me. I'd rather that she had that then show up as wall paper in All-New, Get stomped in legacy, etc. but again fans are happy, so never mind ever seeing a solo or her as the center character if her fans don't demand it.

The book is going to sale with Copiel, it's just sad that they couldn't bring themselves to star Storm.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Skullmageddon on January 14, 2013, 01:52:00 pm
I'm willing to bet that Bishop may just join the Uncanny X-Force team at the end of that arc! Think about it, Cable and X-force, on one side and Bishop and X-force on the other.

As for "XX" turns out that it's an all female "X-men" relaunch. According to wood Jubilee is the "Main Star" but the only way I'll pick that book up is if Storm still leads the team.

So I was correct. Wow. Smfh. They couldn't have Storm as the star? Why, because they don't need to...lots of Storm fans love stuff like wall paper appearances...and being on multiple teams. I thought Storm should have been in charge of the third faction. Apparently allowing Storm, the "so-called top Marvel female" to have her own mandate outside of Logan and Scott is too much.

It's both funny and sad (more so sad) to watch unfold. The X-Office with Marvel's blessing have truly effectively turned Storm into little more than a background character. Even when I disliked the Marriage, I knew that Storm was in a position to truly take the next step in her influence as a character. Not only was she the most powerful woman on 616's Earth, but she was in position to claim her legacy as Xavier's heir. As it stands now, Storm has missed 4 different opportunities (Schism, Uncanny Avengers, Uncanny X-Force and now X-Men) to potentially be shown in position of power, leadership and importance. I think the tone has been set and with Movie positioning more important than storytelling, this may not changing for a while.

This is the most reasonable post I have seen by a non-marriage fan. That was the perk, and sadly lots of folks miss it. Including Storm being a Black Disney Princess (one with a black King), that has a lot of sell potential with non comic readers.

It's blown opportunity and as much I want to just walk away, it makes me pissed off. So yeah, she's the "leader" in this book...but Storm has lead the Flag ship X-men before during the X-men prime days. It seems exploitive. Idk, Wood writes a strong Storm, but Bendis is in charge of the flag ship team, and the meta plot just like he did with the Avengers, so she a part of a outsider X-force and 4th String (behind All-new and Uncanny and even W and X-men) X-woman team?

I just don't see why they treat her the way they do...they are missing the point. Why she could be leader and also the central character is beyond me. I'd rather that she had that then show up as wall paper in All-New, Get stomped in legacy, etc. but again fans are happy, so never mind ever seeing a solo or her as the center character if her fans don't demand it.

The book is going to sale with Copiel, it's just sad that they couldn't bring themselves to star Storm.

Thanks, for the compliment, but me not being a fan of the marriage was in the past. I may not have been a fan of it happening so fast, but I realized the potential for both characters, and it was that potential that made me become a fan.

As far as whether Storm fans are pleased with the current situation, I think the answer is as varied as her fanbase. This page may not be a blimp in the fan makeup, but it does show that there are fans who aren't impressed with Storm just appearing in places.

Marvel is going for the fans it know it can win easily and those are the fans who just want to see Storm the way they like her.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 14, 2013, 03:38:21 pm
Pretty much, I again find it funny that even in her "official" twitter profile it states to not ask her about former a former husband who if you follow Marvel's( and some fans ) logic was the reason she was held back/couldn't appear in x-books but since it's over she can play the background in several x-books and become the latest in Logan's bedded hit list even with him appearing in damn near every book Marvel publishes( do I even need to go into how suddenly it's ok for T'Challa himself to now appear in books in a franchise that questioned his manhood and his social standing? ).

I use to be a fan of O but it's sad that for a character that has been labeled as the best of the best and even then is better then the other best of the best gets chumped out and as Seven said earlier misses being part of key events a leader should be a part of( seriously SHE should have been going against Cyclops in Schism not Logan ), the fact she wasn't a key figure in AvX says as clear as day it's a big middle finger to her and any fan of her( all the while some folks couldn't stop themselves from dancing with joy the marriage was over ).

To paraphrase Public Enemy, "burn X-Office burn"
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 14, 2013, 04:30:56 pm
Pretty much, I again find it funny that even in her "official" twitter profile it states to not ask her about former a former husband who if you follow Marvel's( and some fans ) logic was the reason she was held back/couldn't appear in x-books but since it's over she can play the background in several x-books and become the latest in Logan's bedded hit list even with him appearing in damn near every book Marvel publishes( do I even need to go into how suddenly it's ok for T'Challa himself to now appear in books in a franchise that questioned his manhood and his social standing? ).

I use to be a fan of O but it's sad that for a character that has been labeled as the best of the best and even then is better then the other best of the best gets chumped out and as Seven said earlier misses being part of key events a leader should be a part of( seriously SHE should have been going against Cyclops in Schism not Logan ), the fact she wasn't a key figure in AvX says as clear as day it's a big middle finger to her and any fan of her( all the while some folks couldn't stop themselves from dancing with joy the marriage was over ).

To paraphrase Public Enemy, "burn X-Office burn"



Storm housed the spirit of Eternity. Drew the eye of Loki, and Dracula. Became Blood Storm. Can go Roguestorm. Was Queen of Wakanda and defiantly skirted the line of of being insubordinate to The Panther God face to face. She is from a long line of mighty spirits that really should spawn The Sorceror Supremes of this dimension.


If there's anyone that The Phoenix Force should have wanted, it should've been her. Not Hope.


Instead? She gets to play Logan Jump-Off, 2nd fiddle to Jubilee, and omnipresent, easily ignored wall paper. With the occassional jibe at the only high profile Black male hero in Marvel.

Yay.

" Burn X-Office burn I smell a riot!..."
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 14, 2013, 04:46:35 pm
Pretty much, I again find it funny that even in her "official" twitter profile it states to not ask her about former a former husband who if you follow Marvel's( and some fans ) logic was the reason she was held back/couldn't appear in x-books but since it's over she can play the background in several x-books and become the latest in Logan's bedded hit list even with him appearing in damn near every book Marvel publishes( do I even need to go into how suddenly it's ok for T'Challa himself to now appear in books in a franchise that questioned his manhood and his social standing? ).

I use to be a fan of O but it's sad that for a character that has been labeled as the best of the best and even then is better then the other best of the best gets chumped out and as Seven said earlier misses being part of key events a leader should be a part of( seriously SHE should have been going against Cyclops in Schism not Logan ), the fact she wasn't a key figure in AvX says as clear as day it's a big middle finger to her and any fan of her( all the while some folks couldn't stop themselves from dancing with joy the marriage was over ).

To paraphrase Public Enemy, "burn X-Office burn"



Storm housed the spirit of Eternity. Drew the eye of Loki, and Dracula. Became Blood Storm. Can go Roguestorm. Was Queen of Wakanda and defiantly skirted the line of of being insubordinate to The Panther God face to face. She is from a long line of mighty spirits that really should spawn The Sorceror Supremes of this dimension.


If there's anyone that The Phoenix Force should have wanted, it should've been her. Not Hope.


Instead? She gets to play Logan Jump-Off, 2nd fiddle to Jubilee, and omnipresent, easily ignored wall paper. With the occassional jibe at the only high profile Black male hero in Marvel.

Yay.

" Burn X-Office burn I smell a riot!..."

Both you and are correct. It's some funny ish that doesn't go unnoticed. I don't want T'challa showing up now...If Storm becomes his jump off and will I can no longer support the character and since I don't buy any books, well. If I'm not getting a free digital code oh well and I'm not even bothered at this point to want to read it.

Let me just say I find this ish racist as hell. The sub-text is very sickening.
Oh yeah, when the writer that killed off Synch says that the reception to writing Storm well, he's talking about CBR's X-forum that the X-office caters too.

If you read Hickman's Q and A he said he had plans for then both in his book, but decided not to fight for it once he saw what they were doing and probably knowing it was a fight he could not win. SMH.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 14, 2013, 05:32:06 pm
On a practical level, I don't see what the point of Hopeless' Uncanny Xforce book is now. Similar casts in another 3.99 book.

And they gave Wood Copiel on top of it. It's like they want UXM to fail.

As for the rest, Storm appearing in 2 books is a bonus for her fanbase. As far as not being
the main character in either book (UXF is about Psylocke and this new book is aboutJubilee), that is par for the course.

This is Xtreme Xmen all over again, except this time she might not even get a mini out of it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 14, 2013, 08:27:56 pm
Humphries is the Uncanny XF writer. But I agree, they screwed that book over hard...and honestly, Uncanny might be better, sans the art. In fact, Storm has a bigger role there and Hump was going to go into her characterization at least.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Skullmageddon on January 15, 2013, 08:29:41 am
Pretty much, I again find it funny that even in her "official" twitter profile it states to not ask her about former a former husband who if you follow Marvel's( and some fans ) logic was the reason she was held back/couldn't appear in x-books but since it's over she can play the background in several x-books and become the latest in Logan's bedded hit list even with him appearing in damn near every book Marvel publishes( do I even need to go into how suddenly it's ok for T'Challa himself to now appear in books in a franchise that questioned his manhood and his social standing? ).

I use to be a fan of O but it's sad that for a character that has been labeled as the best of the best and even then is better then the other best of the best gets chumped out and as Seven said earlier misses being part of key events a leader should be a part of( seriously SHE should have been going against Cyclops in Schism not Logan ), the fact she wasn't a key figure in AvX says as clear as day it's a big middle finger to her and any fan of her( all the while some folks couldn't stop themselves from dancing with joy the marriage was over ).

To paraphrase Public Enemy, "burn X-Office burn"



Storm housed the spirit of Eternity. Drew the eye of Loki, and Dracula. Became Blood Storm. Can go Roguestorm. Was Queen of Wakanda and defiantly skirted the line of of being insubordinate to The Panther God face to face. She is from a long line of mighty spirits that really should spawn The Sorceror Supremes of this dimension.


If there's anyone that The Phoenix Force should have wanted, it should've been her. Not Hope.


Instead? She gets to play Logan Jump-Off, 2nd fiddle to Jubilee, and omnipresent, easily ignored wall paper. With the occassional jibe at the only high profile Black male hero in Marvel.

Yay.

" Burn X-Office burn I smell a riot!..."

Both you and are correct. It's some funny ish that doesn't go unnoticed. I don't want T'challa showing up now...If Storm becomes his jump off and will I can no longer support the character and since I don't buy any books, well. If I'm not getting a free digital code oh well and I'm not even bothered at this point to want to read it.

Let me just say I find this ish racist as hell. The sub-text is very sickening.
Oh yeah, when the writer that killed off Synch says that the reception to writing Storm well, he's talking about CBR's X-forum that the X-office caters too.

If you read Hickman's Q and A he said he had plans for then both in his book, but decided not to fight for it once he saw what they were doing and probably knowing it was a fight he could not win. SMH

I couldn't help but think of Marvel as a bunch of Petty Little Children when they plastered the ad of Howlett and Ororo sucking face RIGHT AFTER that monument to mediocrity that was the feature story in A+X #3. Whenever I force myself to think about what might happen, I can't help but be disgusted at the message being sent. It's not okay that the powers that be would rather have it's most prolific Black Woman jump into the bed of a White Man, after she acts like a Real Housewife of Wakanda to her Black Husband. It's this type of subtext that helps to demean her than help her.

Storm best hope this is a red herring that Marvel specializes in. Otherwise, this will haunt the character for a long time with culturally aware folks, the type of folks that will fight for her.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on January 15, 2013, 08:32:07 am
In all fairness her twitter says "don't ask about ex husbands OR her haircut" which makes sense to me. I think this book submarines the femme UXF, bad enough it had another XF to contend with.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 15, 2013, 11:45:29 am
In all fairness her twitter says "don't ask about ex husbands OR her haircut" which makes sense to me. I think this book submarines the femme UXF, bad enough it had another XF to contend with.

Jesus Christ. I didn't even know that comic book characters have Twitter accounts. That's pretty funny and worth a couple of lol's...but then...when the lols are done...it makes me want to...*leaves to go find some Klansmen to capoeira up and karate chop*
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on January 15, 2013, 01:12:46 pm
...*leaves to go find some Klansmen to capoeira up and karate chop*




Sounds good to me, Supreme! ;)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvell2100 on January 15, 2013, 03:47:59 pm
I remember saying awhile back to Storm fans who hate the marriage and BP. Be careful of what you wish for. They're putting on various teams in the X-books but while she ever reach the status they elevated Wolverine and Scott to? That's the question.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 15, 2013, 06:46:59 pm
I remember saying awhile back to Storm fans who hate the marriage and BP. Be careful of what you wish for. They're putting on various teams in the X-books but while she ever reach the status they elevated Wolverine and Scott to? That's the question.
No.

If Wood was suppose to be the so-called savor, yet they would not allow her the main role in the book, instead for Jubilee and Psylocke the other book Idk..probably not. 

Scott has two versions of himself being written by Marvel Star written and he's staring in the two flagship x-books that move the meta plot.

Wolverine is in many books, but he has multiple solo books were he is the star, besides being on different teams and always a part of the meta plot.

Storm is being treated second rate and they love it. Why give more?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on January 15, 2013, 09:39:28 pm
In all fairness her twitter says "don't ask about ex husbands OR her haircut" which makes sense to me. I think this book submarines the femme UXF, bad enough it had another XF to contend with.

Jesus Christ. I didn't even know that comic book characters have Twitter accounts. That's pretty funny and worth a couple of lol's...but then...when the lols are done...it makes me want to...*leaves to go find some Klansmen to capoeira up and karate chop*

Lol it's just some silly fun.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvell2100 on January 16, 2013, 06:36:45 am
I remember saying awhile back to Storm fans who hate the marriage and BP. Be careful of what you wish for. They're putting on various teams in the X-books but while she ever reach the status they elevated Wolverine and Scott to? That's the question.
No.

If Wood was suppose to be the so-called savor, yet they would not allow her the main role in the book, instead for Jubilee and Psylocke the other book Idk..probably not. 

Scott has two versions of himself being written by Marvel Star written and he's staring in the two flagship x-books that move the meta plot.

Wolverine is in many books, but he has multiple solo books were he is the star, besides being on different teams and always a part of the meta plot.

Storm is being treated second rate and they love it. Why give more?

They're even arguing with each other on another board whether Stormm should have any kind of leadership role. It's so funny.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 16, 2013, 12:13:24 pm
The funniest thing is how dilousional these people are...I saw someone doing the popular blaming of Hudlin and Panther... And the last 6 years as the reason she has not been the focus of a event. Never mind the last time she was a focal point was in the freaking late 80's [fall of Mutants] and 90's [x-tinction Agenda].

These people are nuts. I feel sad for the character.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 16, 2013, 02:44:32 pm
The funniest thing is how dilousional these people are...I saw someone doing the popular blaming of Hudlin and Panther... And the last 6 years as the reason she has not been the focus of a event. Never mind the last time she was a focal point was in the freaking late 80's [fall of Mutants] and 90's [x-tinction Agenda].

These people are nuts. I feel sad for the character.


Some folks like to stay dumb, deaf and blind
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 16, 2013, 04:05:06 pm
Pretty much, I again find it funny that even in her "official" twitter profile it states to not ask her about former a former husband who if you follow Marvel's( and some fans ) logic was the reason she was held back/couldn't appear in x-books but since it's over she can play the background in several x-books and become the latest in Logan's bedded hit list even with him appearing in damn near every book Marvel publishes( do I even need to go into how suddenly it's ok for T'Challa himself to now appear in books in a franchise that questioned his manhood and his social standing? ).

I use to be a fan of O but it's sad that for a character that has been labeled as the best of the best and even then is better then the other best of the best gets chumped out and as Seven said earlier misses being part of key events a leader should be a part of( seriously SHE should have been going against Cyclops in Schism not Logan ), the fact she wasn't a key figure in AvX says as clear as day it's a big middle finger to her and any fan of her( all the while some folks couldn't stop themselves from dancing with joy the marriage was over ).

To paraphrase Public Enemy, "burn X-Office burn"



Storm housed the spirit of Eternity. Drew the eye of Loki, and Dracula. Became Blood Storm. Can go Roguestorm. Was Queen of Wakanda and defiantly skirted the line of of being insubordinate to The Panther God face to face. She is from a long line of mighty spirits that really should spawn The Sorceror Supremes of this dimension.


If there's anyone that The Phoenix Force should have wanted, it should've been her. Not Hope.


Instead? She gets to play Logan Jump-Off, 2nd fiddle to Jubilee, and omnipresent, easily ignored wall paper. With the occassional jibe at the only high profile Black male hero in Marvel.

Yay.

" Burn X-Office burn I smell a riot!..."

Both you and are correct. It's some funny ish that doesn't go unnoticed. I don't want T'challa showing up now...If Storm becomes his jump off and will I can no longer support the character and since I don't buy any books, well. If I'm not getting a free digital code oh well and I'm not even bothered at this point to want to read it.

Let me just say I find this ish racist as hell. The sub-text is very sickening.
Oh yeah, when the writer that killed off Synch says that the reception to writing Storm well, he's talking about CBR's X-forum that the X-office caters too.

If you read Hickman's Q and A he said he had plans for then both in his book, but decided not to fight for it once he saw what they were doing and probably knowing it was a fight he could not win. SMH

I couldn't help but think of Marvel as a bunch of Petty Little Children when they plastered the ad of Howlett and Ororo sucking face RIGHT AFTER that monument to mediocrity that was the feature story in A+X #3. Whenever I force myself to think about what might happen, I can't help but be disgusted at the message being sent. It's not okay that the powers that be would rather have it's most prolific Black Woman jump into the bed of a White Man, after she acts like a Real Housewife of Wakanda to her Black Husband. It's this type of subtext that helps to demean her than help her.

Storm best hope this is a red herring that Marvel specializes in. Otherwise, this will haunt the character for a long time with culturally aware folks, the type of folks that will fight for her.


At the sight of that repugnant pic of Logan and Ororo lip-locking--wasn't it also in the middle of AVX#3?--my thoughts turned to "pettiness" and the other unflattering adjectives that our wonderful Princesa mas magnifica assigned to the X-Office...and she was right. As usual.

And then I realized that I should have expected such behaviour.

If we as comic book fans can and do summon and sustain such intense feelings and geeky possessiveness over comic book characters, then the people who actually bring them to life for a living may be ten times more insanely geeked out than any and all of us. Combined.

And the X-Office has long had aberrant tastes and inclinations. In Claremont's heyday, it lead to stellar greatness for everyone and everything X-Men...especially for Logan and even for Storm. Peaked with Phoenix. Returned for a minute with X-Tinction and stuff.

Now? It's been gone for so long that it seems that the only time the X-Office has even the faintest of passion is when they revisit past masterpieces...and eventually play them out via overuse. I bet alot of X-Fans are heartily sick of The Phoenix Force, Logan The Man...and that's it. Cyclops is getting his, Emma is getting a little sumthin...but.

Where is the post 2k equivalent to The Phoenix Saga? Oh yeah...ANOTHER Phoenix Saga. What approaches the Brood and Apocalypse? Oh yeah...some MORE Broods and Apocalypse. What about Professor X? Oh let's make him morally bankrupt...then redeem him in time for Scott to kill him. Waitaminnit...sounds like Onslaught. And other plots. AGAIN. Not even House of M approached anything like what they had before.

Man. Marvel may be The House of Ideas, but the X-Office keeps their shelf of ideas stocked with reruns. Nothing new.

CJP. McDuffie. R to the H. Brought NEW ideas. DOPE ideas. AMAZING ideas. Dare I say...even MARVELOUS ideas. That are NOT retreads of other popular ideas. Hickman. Off the meters with ideas and execution. And BP benefits from it. Dramatically.

BP...all by himself...has shown more verve, newness, creativity, energy, panache, cool and flyness with CJP to Hickman than all of the X-Men since the introduction of freakin Gambit and Longshot.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on January 18, 2013, 06:02:25 am
Honestly I think Storm should have been leading X-Force the same way that T'challa is leading New Avengers.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 18, 2013, 11:17:44 am
Honestly I think Storm should have been leading X-Force the same way that T'challa is leading New Avengers.
Yeah, but the difference is he not the leader. He's the main character though. Plus New Avengers is a Flagship title. Uncanny X-men isn't. Storm is leading X-men, the 4rd string X-title to Bendis All-New and Uncanny x-men and Aaron's W&txm. That book does not move the meta plot at all.

New Avengers Is the most important book in moving Marvel's flag ship franchise. Basically she has been screwed and they supplement by having her as a also ran member of several other titles.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvell2100 on January 18, 2013, 12:43:09 pm
T'Challa has a major role in the most hyped Marvel title since the original New Avengers. This is the book we've always wanted to see T'Challa in. Everything about this book plays to T'Challa's characteristics and his abilities. This is something that should have happened when Luke Cage became leader. This what should have happened when Dr Voodoo became SS. Unfortunately we'll probably end up saying the same thing about Storm. What was her role in Messiah Complex, Schism or AvX? I certainly don't see her as one of the leaders of the mutants currently, certainly not in the same way they portrayed Scott or Logan.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 18, 2013, 01:44:06 pm
T'Challa has a major role in the most hyped Marvel title since the original New Avengers. This is the book we've always wanted to see T'Challa in. Everything about this book plays to T'Challa's characteristics and his abilities. This is something that should have happened when Luke Cage became leader. This what should have happened when Dr Voodoo became SS. Unfortunately we'll probably end up saying the same thing about Storm. What was her role in Messiah Complex, Schism or AvX? I certainly don't see her as one of the leaders of the mutants currently, certainly not in the same way they portrayed Scott or Logan.

Yup, she's a 3rd rate leader and we know that book has zero meta direction.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 18, 2013, 08:26:00 pm
T'Challa has a major role in the most hyped Marvel title since the original New Avengers. This is the book we've always wanted to see T'Challa in. Everything about this book plays to T'Challa's characteristics and his abilities. This is something that should have happened when Luke Cage became leader. This what should have happened when Dr Voodoo became SS. Unfortunately we'll probably end up saying the same thing about Storm. What was her role in Messiah Complex, Schism or AvX? I certainly don't see her as one of the leaders of the mutants currently, certainly not in the same way they portrayed Scott or Logan.

Yup, she's a 3rd rate leader and we know that book has zero meta direction.

Let's see...coulda been Queen of Wakanda and with TChalla as he stars in the most important book in Marvel. Or. Be a nonentity and Logan jumpoff.

Marriage haters and too many Storm fans are blindingly brilliant. Or...they're brilliantly blinded.

I go with the latter.

 RH was the best thing that ever happened to Storm fans and the best hope of actual parity for characters of color in Marvel. He was and is the only true proponent of tremendous love between A-list undeniably Black and African "superheroes".

Time proves that RH was right about that, too.

Hickman is doing an absolutely dazzling job, though. I mean. He's a true, true writing talent who won't screw us over with TChalla, New Avengers or Avengers.

Btw? Remender is KILLIN IT KILLIN IT with his Captain America run. I'm LOVING his stuff.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe)
Post by: Wakandan561 on January 19, 2013, 10:38:29 am
And what's worse is Marvel has done more character development on T'challa and Storm since their divorce than they ever did when they were married. Consequences, A+X , WATXM , if they're divorced and you don't have a winning formula for then why even have them in the same book at all at this point.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 19, 2013, 12:59:42 pm
I wouldn't say what's being done in the x-books with those two as "development" but more as "derailment"

Meanwhile 'ol pedo Logan looks to win at both of their expense( how long before he tells O to get out of his bed and make way for sweet wholesome time displaced Jean? )
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 19, 2013, 01:07:31 pm
I wouldn't say what's being done in the x-books with those two as "development" but more as "derailment"

Meanwhile 'ol pedo Logan looks to win at both of their expense( how long before he tells O to get out of his bed and make way for sweet wholesome time displaced Jean? )
Soon...

How long before they serve her up as the next X-men event casualty?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 21, 2013, 08:29:24 am
I wouldn't say what's being done in the x-books with those two as "development" but more as "derailment"

Meanwhile 'ol pedo Logan looks to win at both of their expense( how long before he tells O to get out of his bed and make way for sweet wholesome time displaced Jean? )
Soon...

How long before they serve her up as the next X-men event casualty?


I was wondering about that, too. I hope that TChalla's success prompts the X-Office to keep Ororo alive.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 21, 2013, 10:10:17 am
I wouldn't say what's being done in the x-books with those two as "development" but more as "derailment"

Meanwhile 'ol pedo Logan looks to win at both of their expense( how long before he tells O to get out of his bed and make way for sweet wholesome time displaced Jean? )
Soon...

How long before they serve her up as the next X-men event casualty?




I was wondering about that, too. I hope that TChalla's success prompts the X-Office to keep Ororo alive.

She is in 4 books, lets hope so.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvell2100 on January 21, 2013, 10:30:56 am
I wouldn't say what's being done in the x-books with those two as "development" but more as "derailment"

Meanwhile 'ol pedo Logan looks to win at both of their expense( how long before he tells O to get out of his bed and make way for sweet wholesome time displaced Jean? )
Soon...

How long before they serve her up as the next X-men event casualty?

While I certainly hope they don't do anything stupid like killing off Storm, I can honestly say that I don't see them elevating her status enough for it to be important. The only X-title I'm interested in that has Storm in it is UXF and that's because of Bishop's return. And depending on how they play it out, I may not stick around long enough for that. Of all the X-Men, Storm and Sage were the closest thing Bishop had to a friend. And if this is just about hunting Bishop to kill him, I'm not interested. In fact, I'd rather he kill them all.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on January 21, 2013, 10:33:07 am
They can fry her for all I care. I say good riddance lol.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 21, 2013, 11:23:15 am
The x-office doesn't care about T'Challa's success because if they did they would have gotten wind of what Hickman is doing and we wouldn't have gotten crap that we're getting now. They also obviously don't give a damn about O because yeah she's in 4 books but she isn't anywhere close to being the star of those books, if I still cared about her I would cause hell about why is she not leading Uncanny Avengers or why she's playing sassy black bff to Psylock or second mother to Jubilee.



Best thing for her is death or limbo right now
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on January 21, 2013, 11:42:41 am
The funniest thing is how dilousional these people are...I saw someone doing the popular blaming of Hudlin and Panther... And the last 6 years as the reason she has not been the focus of a event. Never mind the last time she was a focal point was in the freaking late 80's [fall of Mutants] and 90's [x-tinction Agenda].

These people are nuts. I feel sad for the character.


Some folks like to stay dumb, deaf and blind

change represents the unknown. we may have to enjoy it, for now. i'm chock-full of complaints but if she wasn't so present we'd complain they don't use her enuff. it may be "obamaism" meaning, the rise (or fall) of black characters, in the fore-front. at least, Hudlin's Panther (& Lashley's art- for my own reasons) created the momentum.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 21, 2013, 12:25:38 pm
The funniest thing is how dilousional these people are...I saw someone doing the popular blaming of Hudlin and Panther... And the last 6 years as the reason she has not been the focus of a event. Never mind the last time she was a focal point was in the freaking late 80's [fall of Mutants] and 90's [x-tinction Agenda].

These people are nuts. I feel sad for the character.


Some folks like to stay dumb, deaf and blind

change represents the unknown. we may have to enjoy it, for now. i'm chock-full of complaints but if she wasn't so present we'd complain they don't use her enuff. it may be "obamaism" meaning, the rise (or fall) of black characters, in the fore-front. at least, Hudlin's Panther (& Lashley's art- for my own reasons) created the momentum.

agreed.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 22, 2013, 12:47:12 pm
The x-office doesn't care about T'Challa's success because if they did they would have gotten wind of what Hickman is doing and we wouldn't have gotten crap that we're getting now. They also obviously don't give a damn about O because yeah she's in 4 books but she isn't anywhere close to being the star of those books, if I still cared about her I would cause hell about why is she not leading Uncanny Avengers or why she's playing sassy black bff to Psylock or second mother to Jubilee.



Best thing for her is death or limbo right now

It's back to the comfortable status quo for Storm. It was too scary for the X-Fans and the X-Office for her to spread her wings in any meaningful way.

And "QFT" on her being relegated BACK to her traditional role of the sassy black friend for the adults/nurturing mammy for the kiddies.

But don't worry! They'll make sure she shows off her "Goddess Like Powers" when she's grimacing and scowling hard as she summons three massive, pillar shaped, lightning bolts (that fill up a panel) to take out a weak enemy in typical, ground shredding, overkill, fashion. Then follow it through by having her look laughably pathetic as she jobs out to yet another white mutant, in order to prop them up as a force to be reckoned with. You know, what's happened to Storm for 95% of her hero career.


Well...minus her being pulled around by the hair, after she is knocked unconscious with minimal effort.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 22, 2013, 01:41:36 pm
Welcome aboard Booshman!   ;D

Totally agree with most of what you say.  As an X-Fan, I'm wait to see what they do with her with all the NOW stuff, hopefully they will explore or extend more of her weather control, lol one could only hope.  A lot of people don't get that Storm is a regular person, she has no body resistances like rogue where bullets can bounce off her, she has no hyper endurance like Hulk and Thor to shrug off punches.  Her combat prowess is very good but if a blow lands she could be out for the count.  I do think she gets punked and should delve into using her powers with hand to hand combat more as in using wind to speed up movement with dodging and punches.  I'm there for Storm getting her due.  A lot of writers forget Storm has other abilities besides her weather control or just don't utilize them to their optimal potential.

 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 22, 2013, 02:10:57 pm
Welcome aboard Booshman!   ;D

Totally agree with most of what you say.  As an X-Fan, I'm wait to see what they do with her with all the NOW stuff, hopefully they will explore or extend more of her weather control, lol one could only hope.  A lot of people don't get that Storm is a regular person, she has no body resistances like rogue where bullets can bounce off her, she has no hyper endurance like Hulk and Thor to shrug off punches.  Her combat prowess is very good but if a blow lands she could be out for the count.  I do think she gets punked and should delve into using her powers with hand to hand combat more as in using wind to speed up movement with dodging and punches.  I'm there for Storm getting her due.  A lot of writers forget Storm has other abilities besides her weather control or just don't utilize them to their optimal potential.

Thanks for the welcome! Super endurance and inhumanly tough skin are two of the traits that her more "passionate" fans like to graft onto her character. All the while they forget when she was dropped like a bad habit, with a simple slingshot (before Callisto took her out). Back when she met the Morlocks for the first time in Issue 169. Despite my tone btw, I don't completely hate Storm. I just have a host of issues with her, her more "vocal"/rabid/degenerative fans, the X-Office's blatant and continued mistreatment with non-whites, and the level of acceptance/denials/pathetic rationalizations of all the above by their readership.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 22, 2013, 03:08:59 pm
Welcome aboard Booshman!   ;D

Totally agree with most of what you say.  As an X-Fan, I'm wait to see what they do with her with all the NOW stuff, hopefully they will explore or extend more of her weather control, lol one could only hope.  A lot of people don't get that Storm is a regular person, she has no body resistances like rogue where bullets can bounce off her, she has no hyper endurance like Hulk and Thor to shrug off punches.  Her combat prowess is very good but if a blow lands she could be out for the count.  I do think she gets punked and should delve into using her powers with hand to hand combat more as in using wind to speed up movement with dodging and punches.  I'm there for Storm getting her due.  A lot of writers forget Storm has other abilities besides her weather control or just don't utilize them to their optimal potential.

Thanks for the welcome! Super endurance and inhumanly tough skin are two of the traits that her more "passionate" fans like to graft onto her character. All the while they forget when she was dropped like a bad habit, with a simple slingshot (before Callisto took her out). Back when she met the Morlocks for the first time in Issue 169. Despite my tone btw, I don't completely hate Storm. I just have a host of issues with her, her more "vocal"/rabid/degenerative fans, the X-Office's blatant and continued mistreatment with non-whites, and the level of acceptance/denials/pathetic rationalizations of all the above by their readership.

Thanks for the response.  All in all, I'm very hopeful...she is the NEW headmistress taking over Kitty's job.   Oops did I spoil that for you Mastermynd!  lol  And shes not to bad in X-Force either...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 22, 2013, 03:09:17 pm
Even when an Xbook has a mainly minority cast, the elephant in the room of cultural identity is never addressed by the books.

Storm grew up in Harlem and lived most of her life in Egypt then Kenya (and points in between). Cultrallly she's is probably somewhere between Erika Badu and Sade.

I'm not sure that her priorities would be with mainly hanging out with the Xdudes. She isn't Nightcrawler who owed Xavier his life. She isn't even Rogue or Logan who the Professor gave a home to. She always had the option of taking her ball and going home. There is this great need by the Xfandom to keep her down on the farm so to speak, but she was the most logical one to leave. ESPECIALLY if she isn't going to be headmisstress.

All Storm's done is go from being Cyclops's second in command to Wolverine. To me this is as confused as hell-for the Xmen to work conceptually, the S.I.C. needs to be a loose cannon to the leader's levelheadedness. If anything, Logan should be Cyclops second and Gambit should be Storm's second.

I could see Storm travelling throughout Africa beating up warlords and pirates(granted, she wouldn't need a team for that). 
Its funny than only Warren Ellis even broached the concept of the Xmen doing missions in the 3rd world.  And that is about the only thing than could bring me back to the Xteam books.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 22, 2013, 03:22:04 pm
Check out Wolverine and the X-Men, you know the cover where her and Logan are making out...its not what you think...kinda, Wolvie does do her a favor though...wink wink.  As for Uncanny X-Force, come on guys, give this NOW stuff a try...I really think there is a Storm rising!!  Been there since day one of Storm and still have a nagging feeling I'll be disappointed even though her future looks very good imho.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 22, 2013, 05:08:16 pm
Check out Wolverine and the X-Men, you know the cover where her and Logan are making out...its not what you think...kinda, Wolvie does do her a favor though...wink wink.  As for Uncanny X-Force, come on guys, give this NOW stuff a try...I really think there is a Storm rising!!  Been there since day one of Storm and still have a nagging feeling I'll be disappointed even though her future looks very good imho.

Ugh, I'm even less of a Logan fan than I am a Storm Fan. No offense, but I'll pass on that.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 22, 2013, 06:32:00 pm
Check out Wolverine and the X-Men, you know the cover where her and Logan are making out...its not what you think...kinda, Wolvie does do her a favor though...wink wink.  As for Uncanny X-Force, come on guys, give this NOW stuff a try...I really think there is a Storm rising!!  Been there since day one of Storm and still have a nagging feeling I'll be disappointed even though her future looks very good imho.

Ugh, I'm even less of a Logan fan than I am a Storm Fan. No offense, but I'll pass on that.

lol
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 22, 2013, 08:44:18 pm
I'm done...Really Storm? Smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 22, 2013, 09:02:32 pm
I'm done...Really Storm? Smh.

Come on Sev, run through it at your LCS, lemme know what you think! 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 22, 2013, 09:36:26 pm
Lmao, C'mon. Smdh.

Yes, I'm being a hater now.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 22, 2013, 11:07:56 pm
Lmao, C'mon. Smdh.

Yes, I'm being a hater now.

lol, you know you gonna peek through it!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on January 23, 2013, 07:44:09 am
Yeah, I just read the Wolverine and the X-men issue lemme say I am so DONE with Jason Aaron, he serioursly should not be allowed to touch Storm and T'challa EVER again. With that said, I still like Storm as a chracter. So I will most likely be following her adventures in Uncanny X-force, the first issue was pretty good. But their was seriously no ground for Storm even wanting Wolverine other than the fact that she just did it to piss off T'challa. He said ANYONE BUT HIM and what does she do? Go straight into his arms SMH
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 23, 2013, 08:28:42 am
Remember how much many of us were in love with this guy a few years back?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 23, 2013, 09:37:10 am
Remember how much many of us were in love with this guy a few years back?

yup.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 23, 2013, 10:18:52 am
Remember how much many of us were in love with this guy a few years back?

Oh, I still think he's a great writer.  You can't just take Ghost Rider and Scalped away from him.


I just think this development was transparent, and just throwing salt at the wounds of BP fans.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 23, 2013, 10:59:21 am
I should send Aaron a fruit basket because in one issue he's turned me off of her but has sealed the deal on me not even thinking twice on picking up a x-book until that office gets a complete staff overhaul.

Thanks Jason Aaron( I'm even dropping Thor now )
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 23, 2013, 11:24:06 am
Remember how many of us were in love with this guy a few years back?
Wow pretty bad.

Fixed
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: 4sake on January 23, 2013, 12:38:17 pm
Sad day to be a O fan is all I can say...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 23, 2013, 01:23:31 pm
Remember how much many of us were in love with this guy a few years back?

Oh, I still think he's a great writer.  You can't just take Ghost Rider and Scalped away from him.


I just think this development was transparent, and just throwing salt at the wounds of BP fans.

The same fans who lauded him and supported him? That makes a ton of sense.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on January 23, 2013, 01:45:11 pm
I can now sit back and look at all of your posts and wonder why there were  some who chose to blast my cousin Onyenkwere and myself in my Mr MajestiK guise over on CBR for coining the term O'Oreo.

We got so much flack over there for that by both friends and foes but after all's been said and done, how do you all feel now?

Aaron chumps out T'Challa in AvX and now WATHXM on some straight up cheap "Monsters Ball" BS with Storm Playing halle berry to Wolverine's Billy Bob Thornton while over in Hickman's New Avengers, T'Challa is supposed to be the central character that draws the Illuminati together on some real BOSS ish.

T'Challa, tyhe guy who knocked Black Swan the frak out after decimating her honor guard is the same guy that Aaron chooses to play like a sucker over in the House of X and some of y'all chose to throw shade on Mr MajestiK for looking at the bigger picture and calling it months before the BS finally hit the X-shaped fan?

Forget crying about me calling Storm O'Oreo and start shedding tears at me calling her by the only title she now warrants....

O'Hoe'Ro.

With Jason Aaron as her pimp, Wolverine as her current john and the rest of the House of X as her eventual clientelle.

Hate me now.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 23, 2013, 05:37:33 pm
Not for nothing, who didn't see this coming?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on January 23, 2013, 05:41:23 pm
I can now sit back and look at all of your posts and wonder why there were  some who chose to blast my cousin Onyenkwere and myself in my Mr MajestiK guise over on CBR for coining the term O'Oreo.

We got so much flack over there for that by both friends and foes but after all's been said and done, how do you all feel now?

Aaron chumps out T'Challa in AvX and now WATHXM on some straight up cheap "Monsters Ball" BS with Storm Playing halle berry to Wolverine's Billy Bob Thornton while over in Hickman's New Avengers, T'Challa is supposed to be the central character that draws the Illuminati together on some real BOSS ish.

T'Challa, tyhe guy who knocked Black Swan the frak out after decimating her honor guard is the same guy that Aaron chooses to play like a sucker over in the House of X and some of y'all chose to throw shade on Mr MajestiK for looking at the bigger picture and calling it months before the BS finally hit the X-shaped fan?

Forget crying about me calling Storm O'Oreo and start shedding tears at me calling her by the only title she now warrants....

O'Hoe'Ro.

With Jason Aaron as her pimp, Wolverine as her current john and the rest of the House of X as her eventual clientelle.

Hate me now.

What I still don't understand, MajestiK, is how on the one hand you say that "characters don't write themselves," which is 100 percent correct and totally logical, yet you choose to call Ororo degrading names after she does things she has zero control over because she is a character who does not write herself.

Also, I fail to understand how calling her names is going to help or solve the situation, and by situation I mean the way she is currently being handled by Jason Aaron and other X-writers.

I don't like the way she is being treated, and I don't like at all how Marvel is throwing her with Wolverine, but calling her names solves nothing.

Also, it seems that she is getting more hate thrown her way by comic book readers than Namor is (not that I'm suggesting that people call him names, because I'm not) but in that case I would halfway understand why...he killed thousands of Wakandans.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 23, 2013, 06:14:19 pm
Storm is dead to me. That's what this thread was about. She's dead. What she represents is not something I can ever support.

They Storm we would like does not exist.
 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on January 23, 2013, 08:06:26 pm
Man WTH is going on over at CBR??!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 23, 2013, 08:16:02 pm
Yeah, I got banned too. Only until the 24th, though. For "insulting entire fanbases", even though I specifically kept using the qualifying term of "some". Guess they don't like when you mention that even a tiny handful of X-fans are blatantly racist sometimes.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 23, 2013, 08:37:03 pm
Yeah, I got banned too. Only until the 24th, though. For "insulting entire fanbases", even though I specifically kept using the qualifying term of "some". Guess they don't like when you mention that even a tiny handful of X-fans are blatantly racist sometimes.

Wow.  That's a lame reason to ban someone.  I mean, some X-fans say that all the time.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 23, 2013, 08:43:35 pm
And without saying "some" in regards to BP Fans. We're either "all" misogynists, or "mostly" misogynists. Want to see more CBR mod hypocrisy? Look at the title of "that" X-thread?

"WATXM #24: Fool Batman Imitators, Haircuts and Crisis Averted. (Heavier Spoilers!)"

I mean c'mon..."Fool Batman Imitators"? That's such blatant flame baiting and is deliberately insulting a character. Which I thought was against forum rules. Why was that thread not instantly closed, altered by a mod, or at the very least chastised by one of those "responsible" X-fans that I keep hearing about? You know if there was a BP Thread titled in a similar fashion, where it was taking a "clever" cheapshot at Ororo, the X-fans and the mods would come down on it hard.

:edit:
And seeing as how "what I did" was probably worse than what Roland "did", I'm sure he wasn't perma-banned.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on January 23, 2013, 09:01:03 pm
I might post up over here for a while.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 23, 2013, 09:23:33 pm
Now I know why I never signed up over at CBR.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 23, 2013, 09:34:32 pm
Storm is dead to me. That's what this thread was about. She's dead. What she represents is not something I can ever support.

They Storm we would like does not exist.

Dead dead, Seven?  Not even my boy Bendis can revive her?  lol
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on January 23, 2013, 09:37:34 pm
I really just don't want aaron to write BP again. I don't care about storm or her getting banged by logan but the way he wrote Tchalla was shameful and OOC. Begging storm not to bang logan is something the real Tchalla would never do. And why would he care at this point? There was no reason for him to be in this issue at all other than to be crapped on. Petty things like storm and who she's banging is not even a blimp on his mind. He is currently putting aside his hatred for the man who killed thousands of his people and destroyed the main city to work with him and the others to deal with the world and multiverse destroying problem in NA and even told the Dora who feared what would happen if Shuri and the wakanda people found out about them working with namor to ignore that fear and replace it with a much bigger fear of the multiverse being destroyed. If he's putting those thoughts and fears low on his care list then why would stomerive even be on the list at all? It's hack writing at its finest.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 23, 2013, 10:09:17 pm
Storm is dead to me. That's what this thread was about. She's dead. What she represents is not something I can ever support.

They Storm we would like does not exist.

Dead dead, Seven?  Not even my boy Bendis can revive her?  lol
Dead. Lol
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 23, 2013, 10:22:33 pm
Yeah, I got banned too. Only until the 24th, though. For "insulting entire fanbases", even though I specifically kept using the qualifying term of "some". Guess they don't like when you mention that even a tiny handful of X-fans are blatantly racist sometimes.

I'll PM you. Wtf.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 23, 2013, 10:34:32 pm
And without saying "some" in regards to BP Fans. We're either "all" misogynists, or "mostly" misogynists. Want to see more CBR mod hypocrisy? Look at the title of "that" X-thread?

"WATXM #24: Fool Batman Imitators, Haircuts and Crisis Averted. (Heavier Spoilers!)"

I mean c'mon..."Fool Batman Imitators"? That's such blatant flame baiting and is deliberately insulting a character. Which I thought was against forum rules. Why was that thread not instantly closed, altered by a mod, or at the very least chastised by one of those "responsible" X-fans that I keep hearing about? You know if there was a BP Thread titled in a similar fashion, where it was taking a "clever" cheapshot at Ororo, the X-fans and the mods would come down on it hard.

:edit:
And seeing as how "what I did" was probably worse than what Roland "did", I'm sure he wasn't perma-banned.

Then if you call her snookie then it's a problem? Lmao...those jokers. Smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 23, 2013, 11:31:01 pm
Storm is dead to me. That's what this thread was about. She's dead. What she represents is not something I can ever support.

They Storm we would like does not exist.

It'll be hard to ever have her become the "representative" of anything down the line, this is a huge mark on the permanent record so to speak.

I also take back any comments I've said where she was written as acting like a black chick in a Tyler Perry movie/play as they've never been written as bad as that by Perry( even his men get better treatment then T'Challa does under Aaron's pen now )
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on January 24, 2013, 01:09:46 am
Now I know why I never signed up over at CBR.



Same here.

That kind of stuff always happens in online discussion forums whenever a black character is introduced in a environment populated by non-black fans.

This is  was the goal of HEF:

An online respite built from discussion, articles, blog posts, videos and photos provided by its host, Mr. Reginald Hudlin and its online members.   Sort of like...  an online focus group for us...   ...by us.

We help each other out.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Blanks on January 24, 2013, 02:44:21 am
Amen.

Truth be told, I was done with Storm even before the marriage. I saw it as a saving grace to a character that never got any real page time, unless it was background character status. She was pretty much in limbo after Xtreme Xmen ended. Ah well... Other than all New X-Men by Bendis, I'm pretty much done with Xmen anyways...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 07:21:56 am
Well, since the BP thread over at CBR is locked due to Will S. getting pissed,  I guess I'll have to talk about the recent Storm and BP related stuff here for a change.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on January 24, 2013, 07:35:27 am
Those f*ckers done locked the BP thread on CBR yet all those anti BP threads are still up and the posters who does the same thing to BP fans that the mods banned posters who they said attack x fans are still posting.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on January 24, 2013, 07:45:50 am
The F*ck??!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 07:51:43 am
The way I see it, we knew the mods were either biased, or just plain stricter on one end more than the other.

We knew this, yet I feel like posters instead of recognizing that fact and planning accordingly, fell right in their hands.  Helped them reaffirm their bias/strictness.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 24, 2013, 07:52:53 am
It looks like a job for


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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 07:56:47 am
They aren't biased, they are racist.  How the hell do you get pissed about people venting about something they don't like. Then ignore all the bigoted stuff posted in the X- boards including calls for genocide?

F*ck CBR.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 08:13:12 am
Just making a point. How many times did these morons stepped in when Mr. Hudlin was called all manner of names...called a racist and outright attacked? But say something about Aaron, oh this has gone far enough?  We all posted in those threads, which went on and on. Trashing Panther fans, trashing panther writers, making thinly viled racist remarks...but Storm and Aaron is off limits.
Wow. Again, I read a few threads about  genocide and finishing the job, we're the hell were they at for that crap? That cite is a joke, like I said before.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 24, 2013, 08:19:26 am
Some of you will not like what I have to say but on the real why are some of you posting an obvious troll bait of a thread? Seriously do you think bringing in your internet spear of bashenga going to make a difference? There have been a ton of these.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 08:31:16 am
Some of you will not like what I have to say but on the real why are some of you posting an obvious troll bait of a thread? Seriously do you think bringing in your internet spear of bashenga going to make a difference? There have been a ton of these.

I've gotten used to just reporting the threads, but that's definitely something I've wondered as well.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 08:33:52 am
Yeah, but the BP thread isn't a bait thread. I'm saying none of the mods closed that genocide thread. I saw maybe one bp poster post in that thread. They allowed it, yet locked the BP thread because folks talked about Aaron and his writing of BP? There is no point posting on that board with mods acting like group of overseers and BP fans are picking cotton. You really think they monitor other threads like the Panther one?

So that's the whole point of even posting there. I agree with you on that. It's pointless. CBR is microcosm of comicdom in general, white privilege, indifference and viled bigotry.

I mean you can trash Hudlin for years and even now. Even though he isn't writing Storm it's perfectly ok to trash Hudlin. But talk about Aaron, who issue came out yesterday and you are going too far? Lmao.

That's rich.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on January 24, 2013, 08:36:10 am
I'm making a complaint over there as we speak. I'm also asking the mods that very question.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 08:38:21 am
Yeah, but the BP thread isn't a bait thread. I'm saying none of the mods closed that genocide thread. I say maybe on poster post in that thread. They allowed it, yet locked the BP thread because folks talked about Aaron and his writing of BP? There is no point posting on that board with mods acting like group of overseers and BP fans are picking cotton. You really think they monitor other threads like the Panther one?

So that's the whole point of even posting there. I agree with you on that. It's pointless. CBR is microcosm of comicdom in general, white privilege, indifference and viled bigotry.

I mean you can trash Hudlin for years and even now. Even though he isn't writing Storm it's perfect ok to trash Hudlin. But talk about Aaron, who issue came out yesterday and you are going to far? Lmao.

That's rich.

It wasn't that that caused the issues in CBR.  It was the arguments between fans (the whole "don't talk about other posters/fandoms" rule) and the taking the Mods to task over the recent deletions, warnings, and bans that caused it.  If those two things happened via PMs, the thread wouldn't have been locked.

The reason why this doesn't happen in the X-threads?  Besides the fact that they do, it's because the X-forums are a lot harder to control due to the vast amount of posting and of course...  Because the Mods on the X-boards suck.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 08:39:42 am
I mean do they even see how that looks? If they are fair then it needs to be thy way across the board. Not just singling out BP fans.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 08:40:15 am
As for Roland, this isn't the first time he got banned over going to far with his posts.  I'm absolutely sure they had an eye on him.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 08:44:47 am
I've read a few of them. But you have a thread title calling for genocide and mods said nothing. Not one mod. I saw the WXM thread and posters making blanket statements about BP posters and nothing happened to them. Even after they locked the thread.

Maybe they need to add more mods, because it comes off a more then just biased.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 08:47:29 am
I've read a few of them. But you have a thread title calling for genocide and mods said nothing. Not one mod. I saw the WXM thread and posters making blanket statements about BP posters and nothing happened to them. Even after they locked the thread.

Maybe they need to add more mods, because it comes off a more then just biased.

That's true.  What really bothers me about the X-Forums and how it's handled a lot of this BP/Storm business is that while I'm pretty sure the guys handling the Avengers and Marvel Forums are white, I know for a fact that not all the mods on the X-Forums are white.

In fact, one of them is a black woman.  So to see that she's letting that sh*t slide is a shame.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Shade on January 24, 2013, 08:49:30 am
They really need to be called out on their lack of actions. I really don't think we need to take this lying down.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 08:50:20 am
As for Roland, this isn't the first time he got banned over going to far with his posts.  I'm absolutely sure they had an eye on him.
well, I can't talk. Lol, hahaha.

I don't get why the watch certain people, while others can say what they want. Like that idiot moron Val, straight up cursing in the most vulgar fashion, why wasn't it banned. It's not the first. She was cursing in the Storm thread and the mod was posting in that too.




Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on January 24, 2013, 08:56:19 am
As for Roland, this isn't the first time he got banned over going to far with his posts.  I'm absolutely sure they had an eye on him.
well, I can't talk. Lol, hahaha.

I don't get why the watch certain people, while others can say what they want. Like that idiot moron Val, straight up cursing in the most vulgar fashion, why wasn't it banned. It's not the first. She was cursing in the Storm thread and the mod was posting in that too.

I've gotten Val banned at least once (as in, reported, talked to the mods, and they went through with it).  But yeah, I don't understand why they keep allowing her to continuously act up like she does.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 08:59:57 am
I've read a few of them. But you have a thread title calling for genocide and mods said nothing. Not one mod. I saw the WXM thread and posters making blanket statements about BP posters and nothing happened to them. Even after they locked the thread.

Maybe they need to add more mods, because it comes off a more then just biased.
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That's true.  What really bothers me about the X-Forums and how it's handled a lot of this BP/Storm business is that while I'm pretty sure the guys handling the Avengers and Marvel Forums are white, I know for a fact that not all the mods on the X-Forums are white.

In fact, one of them is a black woman.  So to see that she's letting that sh*t slide is a shame.

Yeah, I heard that there was a black x mod...shame. All I'm saying is they need to be fair across the board. They are not and that really brings down that board.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 24, 2013, 09:04:23 am
Yeah, but the BP thread isn't a bait thread. I'm saying none of the mods closed that genocide thread. I say maybe on poster post in that thread. They allowed it, yet locked the BP thread because folks talked about Aaron and his writing of BP? There is no point posting on that board with mods acting like group of overseers and BP fans are picking cotton. You really think they monitor other threads like the Panther one?

So that's the whole point of even posting there. I agree with you on that. It's pointless. CBR is microcosm of comicdom in general, white privilege, indifference and viled bigotry.

I mean you can trash Hudlin for years and even now. Even though he isn't writing Storm it's perfect ok to trash Hudlin. But talk about Aaron, who issue came out yesterday and you are going to far? Lmao.

That's rich.

It wasn't that that caused the issues in CBR.  It was the arguments between fans (the whole "don't talk about other posters/fandoms" rule) and the taking the Mods to task over the recent deletions, warnings, and bans that caused it.  If those two things happened via PMs, the thread wouldn't have been locked.

The reason why this doesn't happen in the X-threads?  Besides the fact that they do, it's because the X-forums are a lot harder to control due to the vast amount of posting and of course...  Because the Mods on the X-boards suck.

Also the Xboards are full of territorial divas and performance posters. So the Mods feel they have to kind of let the circus continue since the circus is half the point of that place.

I can count the amount of times I've posted there on one hand. You have to know the deal going in.
I mean when the BP discussion thread got to the point where you couldn't talk about martial arts movies or anime or whatever that should have been the first clue that there was not going to be a single standard to posters applied.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Skullmageddon on January 24, 2013, 09:41:27 am
The way I see it, we knew the mods were either biased, or just plain stricter on one end more than the other.

We knew this, yet I feel like posters instead of recognizing that fact and planning accordingly, fell right in their hands.  Helped them reaffirm their bias/strictness.

Time to face reality. There wasn't a way to win that battle without being as docile and whimpering as T'Challa was portrayed in Wolverine and the X-Men #24. One of the things I've come to understand about CBR is that it's really uncomfortable tackling the subject of how male PoCs characters are generally maligned and treated as a threat to the status quo of the Big 2 as a whole. When there's a glass ceiling in power sets and status within and outside of the comics for these characters, then the problem is bigger than any one person, even if they're contributing to the problem as a whole.

Marvel and DC may NEVER be the ground to fight this injustice.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 10:09:25 am
The way I see it, we knew the mods were either biased, or just plain stricter on one end more than the other.

We knew this, yet I feel like posters instead of recognizing that fact and planning accordingly, fell right in their hands.  Helped them reaffirm their bias/strictness.

Time to face reality. There wasn't a way to win that battle without being as docile and whimpering as T'Challa was portrayed in Wolverine and the X-Men #24. One of the things I've come to understand about CBR is that it's really uncomfortable tackling the subject of how male PoCs characters are generally maligned and treated as a threat to the status quo of the Big 2 as a whole. When there's a glass ceiling in power sets and status within and outside of the comics for these characters, then the problem is bigger than any one person, even if they're contributing to the problem as a whole.

Marvel and DC may NEVER be the ground to fight this injustice.

I agree with you. I actually think Marvel is worst then DC now. Because they try to pretend like they are so progressive.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on January 24, 2013, 01:43:18 pm
I can now sit back and look at all of your posts and wonder why there were  some who chose to blast my cousin Onyenkwere and myself in my Mr MajestiK guise over on CBR for coining the term O'Oreo.

We got so much flack over there for that by both friends and foes but after all's been said and done, how do you all feel now?

Aaron chumps out T'Challa in AvX and now WATHXM on some straight up cheap "Monsters Ball" BS with Storm Playing halle berry to Wolverine's Billy Bob Thornton while over in Hickman's New Avengers, T'Challa is supposed to be the central character that draws the Illuminati together on some real BOSS ish.

T'Challa, tyhe guy who knocked Black Swan the frak out after decimating her honor guard is the same guy that Aaron chooses to play like a sucker over in the House of X and some of y'all chose to throw shade on Mr MajestiK for looking at the bigger picture and calling it months before the BS finally hit the X-shaped fan?

Forget crying about me calling Storm O'Oreo and start shedding tears at me calling her by the only title she now warrants....

O'Hoe'Ro.

With Jason Aaron as her pimp, Wolverine as her current john and the rest of the House of X as her eventual clientelle.

Hate me now.

What I still don't understand, MajestiK, is how on the one hand you say that "characters don't write themselves," which is 100 percent correct and totally logical, yet you choose to call Ororo degrading names after she does things she has zero control over because she is a character who does not write herself.

Also, I fail to understand how calling her names is going to help or solve the situation, and by situation I mean the way she is currently being handled by Jason Aaron and other X-writers.

I don't like the way she is being treated, and I don't like at all how Marvel is throwing her with Wolverine, but calling her names solves nothing.

Also, it seems that she is getting more hate thrown her way by comic book readers than Namor is (not that I'm suggesting that people call him names, because I'm not) but in that case I would halfway understand why...he killed thousands of Wakandans.

Moneyspider,

I got love for you, but find myself cramming to understand why you find my running commentary on the sad case of O'oreo Munroe so puzzling?

I'm well aware of the fictional nature of the characters we're discussing about here.

that's never been in doubt.

But I'm also aware of the real world biases, prejudices and outright racism that permeates the very industry that has a creative responsibility for managing these characters so you can rest assured that when I'm saying what I'm saying, it's in full recognition of what message these creators are using these characters to push to a very specific target audience.

Jason Aaron has shown where he's head is really at as far as what agenda he's chosen to pursue as a bonafide X-writer with a hard-on for the emasculation of the African male and continued fetishization of the the African female.

While you continue ponder over my usage of terminology that you subjectively choose to see as being demeaning towards Storm, Jason Aaron is laughing all the way to the bank as he goes full steam ahead with the financially viable track of trolling that he's chosen to travel on.

Your views matter not a jot to Marvel because for the most part, many of us spend so much time shooting each other down rather than focusing on the real enemy.

The X-forum posters abuse T'Challa at will because they see him as an embodiment of everything they see in an independent Africa unblemished with Western intervention or erocentric indoctrination.

They basically unleash the hatred they have for us as a people on a fictional character because they feel it's safer to do so without being seen as being racist in the real world.

Namor would never have been shown doing what Storm was shown doing leading an X-Tinction team onto Wakandan soil so it goes without saying that his genocidal behaviour was in keeping with his estabvlished character traits.

What part of Storm's character rang true during AvX?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 24, 2013, 01:47:47 pm

What part of Storm's character rang true during AvX?
(http://ibankcoin.com/jakegint/wp-content/imagescaler/14ee252779cc2b492fffe3dfb47e38d0.gif)That is a great question.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 01:54:10 pm
I can now sit back and look at all of your posts and wonder why there were  some who chose to blast my cousin Onyenkwere and myself in my Mr MajestiK guise over on CBR for coining the term O'Oreo.

We got so much flack over there for that by both friends and foes but after all's been said and done, how do you all feel now?

Aaron chumps out T'Challa in AvX and now WATHXM on some straight up cheap "Monsters Ball" BS with Storm Playing halle berry to Wolverine's Billy Bob Thornton while over in Hickman's New Avengers, T'Challa is supposed to be the central character that draws the Illuminati together on some real BOSS ish.

T'Challa, tyhe guy who knocked Black Swan the frak out after decimating her honor guard is the same guy that Aaron chooses to play like a sucker over in the House of X and some of y'all chose to throw shade on Mr MajestiK for looking at the bigger picture and calling it months before the BS finally hit the X-shaped fan?

Forget crying about me calling Storm O'Oreo and start shedding tears at me calling her by the only title she now warrants....

O'Hoe'Ro.

With Jason Aaron as her pimp, Wolverine as her current john and the rest of the House of X as her eventual clientelle.

Hate me now.

What I still don't understand, MajestiK, is how on the one hand you say that "characters don't write themselves," which is 100 percent correct and totally logical, yet you choose to call Ororo degrading names after she does things she has zero control over because she is a character who does not write herself.

Also, I fail to understand how calling her names is going to help or solve the situation, and by situation I mean the way she is currently being handled by Jason Aaron and other X-writers.

I don't like the way she is being treated, and I don't like at all how Marvel is throwing her with Wolverine, but calling her names solves nothing.

Also, it seems that she is getting more hate thrown her way by comic book readers than Namor is (not that I'm suggesting that people call him names, because I'm not) but in that case I would halfway understand why...he killed thousands of Wakandans.

Moneyspider,

I got love for you, but find myself cramming to understand why you find my running commentary on the sad case of O'oreo Munroe so puzzling?

I'm well aware of the fictional nature of the characters we're discussing about here.

that's never been in doubt.

But I'm also aware of the real world biases, prejudices and outright racism that permeates the very industry that has a creative responsibility for managing these characters so you can rest assured that when I'm saying what I'm saying, it's in full recognition of what message these creators are using these characters to push to a very specific target audience.

Jason Aaron has shown where he's head is really at as far as what agenda he's chosen to pursue as a bonafide X-writer with a hard-on for the emasculation of the African male and continued fetishization of the the African female.

While you continue ponder over my usage of terminology that you subjectively choose to see as being demeaning towards Storm, Jason Aaron is laughing all the way to the bank as he goes full steam ahead with the financially viable track of trolling that he's chosen to travel on.

Your views matter not a jot to Marvel because for the most part, many of us spend so much time shooting each other down rather than focusing on the real enemy.

The X-forum posters abuse T'Challa at will because they see him as an embodiment of everything they see in an independent Africa unblemished with Western intervention or erocentric indoctrination.

They basically unleash the hatred they have for us as a people on a fictional character because they feel it's safer to do so without being seen as being racist in the real world.

Namor would never have been shown doing what Storm was shown doing leading an X-Tinction team onto Wakandan soil so it goes without saying that his genocidal behaviour was in keeping with his estabvlished character traits.

What part of Storm's character rang true during AvX?

Co-signing.

Also why was the BP thread singled out? Roland and a few others were posting in the X-board. In the BP thread posters were mainly criticizing Aaron. I was reading the thread, unless something occurred this morning. But the mod said yesterday.

So basically, they singled out BP fans.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 01:58:46 pm
Aaron knows, he made a comment on twitter saying they are picking up where they left off. For those who still think this moron doesn't know what he was doing to T'challa, please remove your heads from the sand. He knows what he was doing and he's being cheered on by these people.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on January 24, 2013, 02:20:28 pm
Aaron knows, he made a comment on twitter saying they are picking up where they left off. For those who still think this moron doesn't know what he was doing to T'challa, please remove your heads from the sand. He knows what he was doing and he's being cheered on by these people.

Aaron can go straight to hell.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 02:26:50 pm
Aaron knows, he made a comment on twitter saying they are picking up where they left off. For those who still think this moron doesn't know what he was doing to T'challa, please remove your heads from the sand. He knows what he was doing and he's being cheered on by these people.

Aaron can go straight to hell.

I agree. Dude is suspect. He has Indie interest being a BROOD? lol.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 02:39:20 pm

I agree. Dude is suspect. He has Indie interest being a BROOD? lol.

...what?

:edit:
Also, wtf@CBR barring BP Threads.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 24, 2013, 02:44:35 pm
I don't see the reasoning to going to any other board but the HEF.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 03:17:18 pm

I agree. Dude is suspect. He has Indie interest being a BROOD? lol.

...what?

:edit:
Also, wtf@CBR barring BP Threads.
Damn auto spell. her love intrested is Broo a Brood. lol.
I guess we now know why the school doesn't have any black male mutants.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: The Cat on January 24, 2013, 03:49:26 pm
So... I'm surprised that CBR has locking the BP thread, which effectively co-signs the  'X' lonely hearts club.

Hickmans Avenger really burned them didn't it...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 04:04:11 pm
So... CBR has dropped to a new low by locking the BP thread, which effectively co-signs the X un-fans / lonely hearts club.

Hickmans Avenger really burned them didn't it...

Pretty much. I'm not buying their reason or excuse at all.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 24, 2013, 05:25:52 pm


I've gotten Val banned at least once (as in, reported, talked to the mods, and they went through with it).  But yeah, I don't understand why they keep allowing her to continuously act up like she does.

I've never even gotten a single response past, "report it"

I've reported things and pm'd mods and got nothing yet they will tell me there's no bias, I recall one mod for the community section got mad at me when I said I believe some of them are politicians in training
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 24, 2013, 05:49:05 pm


I've gotten Val banned at least once (as in, reported, talked to the mods, and they went through with it).  But yeah, I don't understand why they keep allowing her to continuously act up like she does.

I've never even gotten a single response past, "report it"

I've reported things and pm'd mods and got nothing yet they will tell me there's no bias, I recall one mod for the community section got mad at me when I said I believe some of them are politicians in training

Haha funny.

Your boy said "perhaps" T'challa will be showing up again, so he can finish cutting his balls off. But nothing is planned for now. Aaron knew what he was doing,

FJA.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 06:45:22 pm
I've reported things and pm'd mods and got nothing yet they will tell me there's no bias, I recall one mod for the community section got mad at me when I said I believe some of them are politicians in training

Hah!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 24, 2013, 09:31:37 pm
Saw this on twitter from Jason Aaron in response to a question if he "hates" T'Challa

Quote
If that's what you take away from my stuff, pal, you should just stop reading, because I got nothing for you.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 10:04:01 pm
Saw this on twitter from Jason Aaron in response to a question if he "hates" T'Challa

Quote
If that's what you take away from my stuff, pal, you should just stop reading, because I got nothing for you.

Perhaps Aaron SHOULD START READING his own stuff. Instead of writing like he only sits at a keyboard during a drunken stupor.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 24, 2013, 10:11:24 pm
That would be something, I on the other hand called my lcs earlier to tell them I'm dropping Thor
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 10:48:26 pm
Um....wtf? The last comment, by "Franklin".

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748

So the X-fans finally demonstrate what this is all about, eh?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 24, 2013, 10:48:39 pm
Thor is a very good read.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Marvelous on January 24, 2013, 10:50:44 pm
Um....wtf? The last comment by "Franklin".

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748

So the X-fans finally demonstrate what this is all about, eh?

hmm I missed something, the last time I seen them kiss was in Dallas wasn't it, Fall of the Mutants or when they went through the Siege Perilous?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 24, 2013, 10:54:46 pm
Um....wtf? The last comment, by "Franklin".

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748

So the X-fans finally demonstrate what this is all about, eh?

Not even trying to be subtle.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 10:55:14 pm
Um....wtf? The last comment by "Franklin".

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748

So the X-fans finally demonstrate what this is all about, eh?

hmm I missed something, the last time I seen them kiss was in Dallas wasn't it, Fall of the Mutants or when they went through the Siege Perilous?

Weird. I refreshed the page and now it says "Plattipotter". Guess they changed the name.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 24, 2013, 11:09:54 pm
Um....wtf? The last comment by "Franklin".

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748

So the X-fans finally demonstrate what this is all about, eh?

hmm I missed something, the last time I seen them kiss was in Dallas wasn't it, Fall of the Mutants or when they went through the Siege Perilous?

Weird. I refreshed the page and now it says "Plattipotter". Guess they changed the name.

"Peckerwood" would have been more appropriate.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 11:10:21 pm
LOL!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 24, 2013, 11:27:02 pm
Um....wtf? The last comment, by "Franklin".

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748

So the X-fans finally demonstrate what this is all about, eh?

Someone should ask him did it have to be at T'Challa's expense but I figure like the first question it would go right over his head

Thor is a very good read.

True but given how he's written T'Challa and doesn't care at all about how damaging he's been to the character as a whole I just can't support him personally knowing he offensively writes a character I care about and I'm not even a Thor fan
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 11:30:58 pm

Someone should ask him did it have to be at T'Challa's expense but I figure like the first question it would go right over his head

I'm almost tempted to make a Twitter account, just to ask that. And, I'm not surprised he dodged and dismissed that first question. There's no possible way he's THAT oblivious to what the guy was referring to.

Although....he DID write this portrayal of T'challa and ignore continuity....
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 24, 2013, 11:33:31 pm
If he couldn't get the "hate" question then I don't think anything else would work
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 24, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
So is general BP talk prohibited on CBR? Or just making threads about BP?


:edit:
Oh lawd! It's just getting worse. (Or better, depending on the POV...)

https://twitter.com/jasonaaron/status/294514745409695748
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 24, 2013, 11:58:06 pm
Not sure as the BP from the beginning thread is still open
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 25, 2013, 07:14:35 am
Oh, it just gets better with Platipotter:

https://twitter.com/Platipotter
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 25, 2013, 10:04:37 am
Funny, but unnecessary even though it's true.

It's kinda the message that Aaron, bigoted Storm fans, X-office and Marvel are conveying. Besides T'challa's unnecessary usage in that wolverine circle jerk of a story. That he is pretending that he didn't know what he was doing really shines a new light on the guys lack of integrity.

Yeah, go ahead and sh*t on the fans who have supported you from the beginning! What was the point of him being there?

As for Storm, Maj nailed it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 25, 2013, 10:08:16 am
To Aaron's credit, he did kind of denounce Platipotter.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 25, 2013, 11:13:02 am
Of course, no one in today's age wants to be out and out seen as racist or anything close to that and the last thing they want is to be seen being a pal with someone as obvious as that twit. See how quick Aaron threw up that tumblr to say "they're just picking up where they left off I've so not done anything wrong".
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 25, 2013, 12:12:45 pm
To Aaron's credit, he did kind of denounce Platipotter.

What cowardly Aaron did was the same thing Mitt Romney did when he was interviewed immediately after Rush Limbaugh called that girl (who lobbying for contraception) a "slut". He expressed vague condemnation, but he didn't "actually" say that he disagrees with the statements made. He can't burn any bridges, so he just played it safe.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 25, 2013, 12:20:24 pm
To Aaron's credit, he did kind of denounce Platipotter.

What cowardly Aaron did was the same thing Mitt Romney did when he was interviewed immediately after Rush Limbaugh called that girl (who lobbying for contraception) a "slut". He expressed vague condemnation, but he didn't "actually" say that he disagrees with the statements made. He can't burn any bridges, so he just played it safe.

Agreed with both if you guys.

platiotter Is just saying what they really believe in my opinion. Deep down, that's how they feel nd Genki pointed out what he did. Smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on January 25, 2013, 01:59:27 pm
I can now sit back and look at all of your posts and wonder why there were  some who chose to blast my cousin Onyenkwere and myself in my Mr MajestiK guise over on CBR for coining the term O'Oreo.

We got so much flack over there for that by both friends and foes but after all's been said and done, how do you all feel now?

Aaron chumps out T'Challa in AvX and now WATHXM on some straight up cheap "Monsters Ball" BS with Storm Playing halle berry to Wolverine's Billy Bob Thornton while over in Hickman's New Avengers, T'Challa is supposed to be the central character that draws the Illuminati together on some real BOSS ish.

T'Challa, tyhe guy who knocked Black Swan the frak out after decimating her honor guard is the same guy that Aaron chooses to play like a sucker over in the House of X and some of y'all chose to throw shade on Mr MajestiK for looking at the bigger picture and calling it months before the BS finally hit the X-shaped fan?

Forget crying about me calling Storm O'Oreo and start shedding tears at me calling her by the only title she now warrants....

O'Hoe'Ro.

With Jason Aaron as her pimp, Wolverine as her current john and the rest of the House of X as her eventual clientelle.

Hate me now.

What I still don't understand, MajestiK, is how on the one hand you say that "characters don't write themselves," which is 100 percent correct and totally logical, yet you choose to call Ororo degrading names after she does things she has zero control over because she is a character who does not write herself.

Also, I fail to understand how calling her names is going to help or solve the situation, and by situation I mean the way she is currently being handled by Jason Aaron and other X-writers.

I don't like the way she is being treated, and I don't like at all how Marvel is throwing her with Wolverine, but calling her names solves nothing.

Also, it seems that she is getting more hate thrown her way by comic book readers than Namor is (not that I'm suggesting that people call him names, because I'm not) but in that case I would halfway understand why...he killed thousands of Wakandans.

Moneyspider,

I got love for you, but find myself cramming to understand why you find my running commentary on the sad case of O'oreo Munroe so puzzling?

I'm well aware of the fictional nature of the characters we're discussing about here.

that's never been in doubt.

But I'm also aware of the real world biases, prejudices and outright racism that permeates the very industry that has a creative responsibility for managing these characters so you can rest assured that when I'm saying what I'm saying, it's in full recognition of what message these creators are using these characters to push to a very specific target audience.

Jason Aaron has shown where he's head is really at as far as what agenda he's chosen to pursue as a bonafide X-writer with a hard-on for the emasculation of the African male and continued fetishization of the the African female.

While you continue ponder over my usage of terminology that you subjectively choose to see as being demeaning towards Storm, Jason Aaron is laughing all the way to the bank as he goes full steam ahead with the financially viable track of trolling that he's chosen to travel on.

Your views matter not a jot to Marvel because for the most part, many of us spend so much time shooting each other down rather than focusing on the real enemy.

The X-forum posters abuse T'Challa at will because they see him as an embodiment of everything they see in an independent Africa unblemished with Western intervention or erocentric indoctrination.

They basically unleash the hatred they have for us as a people on a fictional character because they feel it's safer to do so without being seen as being racist in the real world.

Namor would never have been shown doing what Storm was shown doing leading an X-Tinction team onto Wakandan soil so it goes without saying that his genocidal behaviour was in keeping with his estabvlished character traits.

What part of Storm's character rang true during AvX?

NOW you said a whole bunch of stuff that I can agree with (how a specific target audience hates on and trashes fictional African characters).
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Salustrade on January 25, 2013, 02:00:42 pm
To Aaron's credit, he did kind of denounce Platipotter.

Dude, seriously?

Jason Aaron can go f*ck himself.

If he hadn't written the bullsh*t stories there wouldn't be anything for the trolls to latch onto and crow about.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 25, 2013, 02:23:47 pm
This is HEF. Home of sane people. Why would anyone waste virtual ink discussing the Crazy Bin Regulars...which is what CBR stands for? Let us not even discuss their odiousness, much less condescend to grace them with the most infinitesimal particle of our time and energy. They don't even warrant the time it would take to descend to the muck they inhabit merely long enough to backhand smack them. Essentially they are a cross between Klansmen with a Sheldon from THE BIG BANG THEORY array of distasteful personality quirks...without the redeeming quality of Sheldon's high intelligence.

Whereas we here at HEF are rockin with The King who is the linchpin of the most important book at Marvel. Which is a smash hit, by the way, and will draw fans by the droves to not only Black Panther but Doctor Strange and possibly Namor too. I can see solos for each of these men spinning out from NA as a virtual certainty. Our energy is better used in drumming up even more riotous support for NA and ignoring those cretins unworthy of even being written about or mentioned by us, who are their superiors in every way worth mentioning. Our lives will be the better for it.

We know those Crazy Bin Regulars would never pop off so animatedly in any face to face discussion, or those Crazy Bin Regulars would find out that we HEFfas know how to make Hatas Eat Fists.

Now. In the case of one O'oreo O'Snooks Thomas...

...I think her days are numbered; but only if TChalla becomes a smash sensation via NA and hopefully as a major inclusion in the new Avengers movie. I think we will see O'oreo's rapid demise and the return of our beloved Ororo Munroe over the next 2 years as NA becomes more and more prominent, TChalla gets more and more shine, and Aaron is told to write TChalla more respectfully [ there will be multiple arcs wherein Aaron writes stuff that has nothing to do with TChalla, and that's as it should be ].

As for Aaron. I think that he has plans to wrap up Ororo and TChalla's relationship in a particular way, and he's pretty much done that. I think he was under orders to write in a way that didn't make all of us screech blatant racism, he had to write in a way that had some trace respect for TChalla, and mostly highlighted what the X-Office wants...which is to reposition the X-franchise as top dawg in the MU. A place that was once undisputedly theirs but which is now undisputedly Avengers territory. as Marvel's metaplot clearly places the Avengers as superior to The X-Men [ and I just can't see how anyone writes Rogue beating The Avengers, much less even being able to stand with Thor or Hercules. I think Iron Man and Vision can smash her solo. I think TChalla smashes her solo. As TChalla is a top tier Avenger. As in...Black Panther Avenger >>>>X-woman Storm very soon in the public eye, and without contention if TChalla is incuded in The Avengers and given serious cool points, as he should be given [ TChalla, Marvel's Batman with better acrobatics than Nightwing...not a African Batman imitation like Batwing, although I buy his book too, lol ]. For the record? I don't see King of the Dead TChalla being in Avengers or at least if he is in Avengers? I don't see TChalla in any way overshadowing Captain America, which King of the Dead TChalla does.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: 4sake on January 25, 2013, 03:40:42 pm
To Aaron's credit, he did kind of denounce Platipotter.

Dude, seriously?

Jason Aaron can go f*ck himself.

If he hadn't written the bullsh*t stories there wouldn't be anything for the trolls to latch onto and crow about.
This x 100000000000
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 25, 2013, 03:47:18 pm
What I am trying to figure out is why are we even discussing these clowns. We know they exist and trying to have a "discussion" with them wont work. So what are we trying accomplish here. Other than the troll photos I put to tease these guys I dont give a rat ass what they have to say. I enjoy what I read and they dont that its.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 25, 2013, 04:08:19 pm
What I am trying to figure out is why are we even discussing these clowns. We know they exist and trying to have a "discussion" with them wont work. So what are we trying accomplish here. Other than the troll photos I put to tease these guys I dont give a rat ass what they have to say. I enjoy what I read and they dont that its.

SUPREME ILLUMINATION COSIGN...the first supremely illuminating cosign I have ever done, btw.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 25, 2013, 04:30:06 pm

The X-forum posters abuse T'Challa at will because they see him as an embodiment of everything they see in an independent Africa unblemished with Western intervention or erocentric indoctrination.

They basically unleash the hatred they have for us as a people on a fictional character because they feel it's safer to do so without being seen as being racist in the real world.


This right here, is one of the big freaking elephants in the room. Add this logic to a post I made in the last BP thread, and it begins to unravel something damning about both Storm and the X-franshise....

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?433587-State-of-Wakanda-The-Black-Panther-Discussion&p=16521062&viewfull=1#post16521062 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?433587-State-of-Wakanda-The-Black-Panther-Discussion&p=16521062&viewfull=1#post16521062)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 25, 2013, 04:48:52 pm

Now. In the case of one O'oreo O'Snooks Thomas...

...I think her days are numbered; but only if TChalla becomes a smash sensation via NA and hopefully as a major inclusion in the new Avengers movie. I think we will see O'oreo's rapid demise and the return of our beloved Ororo Munroe over the next 2 years as NA becomes more and more prominent, TChalla gets more and more shine, and Aaron is told to write TChalla more respectfully [ there will be multiple arcs wherein Aaron writes stuff that has nothing to do with TChalla, and that's as it should be ].

As for Aaron. I think that he has plans to wrap up Ororo and TChalla's relationship in a particular way, and he's pretty much done that. I think he was under orders to write in a way that didn't make all of us screech blatant racism, he had to write in a way that had some trace respect for TChalla, and mostly highlighted what the X-Office wants...which is to reposition the X-franchise as top dawg in the MU. A place that was once undisputedly theirs but which is now undisputedly Avengers territory. as Marvel's metaplot clearly places the Avengers as superior to The X-Men [ and I just can't see how anyone writes Rogue beating The Avengers, much less even being able to stand with Thor or Hercules. I think Iron Man and Vision can smash her solo. I think TChalla smashes her solo. As TChalla is a top tier Avenger. As in...Black Panther Avenger >>>>X-woman Storm very soon in the public eye, and without contention if TChalla is incuded in The Avengers and given serious cool points, as he should be given [ TChalla, Marvel's Batman with better acrobatics than Nightwing...not a African Batman imitation like Batwing, although I buy his book too, lol ]. For the record? I don't see King of the Dead TChalla being in Avengers or at least if he is in Avengers? I don't see TChalla in any way overshadowing Captain America, which King of the Dead TChalla does.

Thoughts?

Eh, to me it seems like all the main X-men are just riding on the fumes of their old and slowly diminishing fame. While they struggle to find their groove again, through constantly recreating their image. Whether it's the anime versions, movie versions, or comic versions, fans these days seem to be simply going through the motions because they're "the superhero team standard".

The opposite is said for BP who has been gaining non-stop (albeit somewhat slower) momentum. Which would explain why the X-Fanwank-eteers have been going so hard at the character, with writing all these "cleverly inserted" insults towards him and other hamfisted attempts to humiliate and denigrate him. It's like some X-writers have hijacked the whole Civil Rights theme of the X-men and erased black men from the equation, so they could put white males and their ethnic lady lapwarmers in the center circle. Like some Ultra White Liberal Masturbatory Fantasy. I mean look at their penchant for destroying damn near every black male they've ever had on the team. Which their rabid apologists (especially some black ones) will desperately try to deny. They see that T'challa's coming up, and they can't handle it. Because black masculinity has always created cracks in the flimsy ego of some whites and their non-white allies. Cracks that are always quickly repaired and plastered over through denigration.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 25, 2013, 04:50:05 pm

The X-forum posters abuse T'Challa at will because they see him as an embodiment of everything they see in an independent Africa unblemished with Western intervention or erocentric indoctrination.

They basically unleash the hatred they have for us as a people on a fictional character because they feel it's safer to do so without being seen as being racist in the real world.


This right here, is one of the big freaking elephants in the room. Add this logic to a post I made in the last BP thread, and it begins to unravel something damning about both Storm and the X-franshise....

[url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?433587-State-of-Wakanda-The-Black-Panther-Discussion&p=16521062&viewfull=1#post16521062[/url] ([url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?433587-State-of-Wakanda-The-Black-Panther-Discussion&p=16521062&viewfull=1#post16521062[/url])



I completely and totally agree with this as well.

But honestly. How many of us are actually surprised by such a reality? The damning and not at all shocking not so secret 'secret' behind the X-Office?

That's what I thought.

So...

...howzabout that NA?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 25, 2013, 04:58:43 pm

I completely and totally agree with this as well.

But honestly. How many of us are actually surprised by such a reality? The damning and not at all shocking not so secret 'secret' behind the X-Office?

That's what I thought.

So...

...howzabout that NA?

Lovin' NA so far. Classic Hickman pacing and storytelling.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 25, 2013, 05:01:50 pm
I agree with both Sal and Boosh. Frak that diplomatic ish and bitting tongues.

Remember I said they/these writers frequent certain boards and forums. They do...it's human nature to want to see what fans are saying. CBR is a microcosm of comicbook fandom as a whole.

Hickman said yesterday that he reads the boards when he can about his books. Aaron said on this situation that he's being praised and critized for invalid reasons. In hightsight of suddently defending what he did with them saying "they are just picking up where they left off" after he saw the reasons why on CBR in better detail then on twitter. Hickman refers to them as haters, after seeing some of that bs.

It's not just about them. It's about how these bigots are being catered too by some of these writers. That's what Aaron did and he had to know what he was doing. He threw Panther under the bus to make Logan look good over a number of issues when you look back and read them in tandem.

There was nothing, no net gain or positive for Panther. Nothing, his role was something stereotypically seen with black males in media.
 
So yeah, posters talk about it and put them on blast. Enough that CBR has to lock threads to protect them. Yet allow multi-page threads with these other posters calling Hudlin racist, calling Mcduiffie racist.




Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 25, 2013, 05:19:24 pm
This is HEF. Home of sane people. Why would anyone waste virtual ink discussing the Crazy Bin Regulars...which is what CBR stands for? Let us not even discuss their odiousness, much less condescend to grace them with the most infinitesimal particle of our time and energy. They don't even warrant the time it would take to descend to the muck they inhabit merely long enough to backhand smack them. Essentially they are a cross between Klansmen with a Sheldon from THE BIG BANG THEORY array of distasteful personality quirks...without the redeeming quality of Sheldon's high intelligence.

Whereas we here at HEF are rockin with The King who is the linchpin of the most important book at Marvel. Which is a smash hit, by the way, and will draw fans by the droves to not only Black Panther but Doctor Strange and possibly Namor too. I can see solos for each of these men spinning out from NA as a virtual certainty. Our energy is better used in drumming up even more riotous support for NA and ignoring those cretins unworthy of even being written about or mentioned by us, who are their superiors in every way worth mentioning. Our lives will be the better for it.

We know those Crazy Bin Regulars would never pop off so animatedly in any face to face discussion, or those Crazy Bin Regulars would find out that we HEFfas know how to make Hatas Eat Fists.

Now. In the case of one O'oreo O'Snooks Thomas...

...I think her days are numbered; but only if TChalla becomes a smash sensation via NA and hopefully as a major inclusion in the new Avengers movie. I think we will see O'oreo's rapid demise and the return of our beloved Ororo Munroe over the next 2 years as NA becomes more and more prominent, TChalla gets more and more shine, and Aaron is told to write TChalla more respectfully [ there will be multiple arcs wherein Aaron writes stuff that has nothing to do with TChalla, and that's as it should be ].

As for Aaron. I think that he has plans to wrap up Ororo and TChalla's relationship in a particular way, and he's pretty much done that. I think he was under orders to write in a way that didn't make all of us screech blatant racism, he had to write in a way that had some trace respect for TChalla, and mostly highlighted what the X-Office wants...which is to reposition the X-franchise as top dawg in the MU. A place that was once undisputedly theirs but which is now undisputedly Avengers territory. as Marvel's metaplot clearly places the Avengers as superior to The X-Men [ and I just can't see how anyone writes Rogue beating The Avengers, much less even being able to stand with Thor or Hercules. I think Iron Man and Vision can smash her solo. I think TChalla smashes her solo. As TChalla is a top tier Avenger. As in...Black Panther Avenger >>>>X-woman Storm very soon in the public eye, and without contention if TChalla is incuded in The Avengers and given serious cool points, as he should be given [ TChalla, Marvel's Batman with better acrobatics than Nightwing...not a African Batman imitation like Batwing, although I buy his book too, lol ]. For the record? I don't see King of the Dead TChalla being in Avengers or at least if he is in Avengers? I don't see TChalla in any way overshadowing Captain America, which King of the Dead TChalla does.

Thoughts?

I agree with some points.

But the marriage was already wrapped up. No one forced him to continue what seems like a concentrated effort on his and the X-office behalf as "pay back" for stealing Storm. Period.

I don't get making excuses for him. He has NO futher plans to use T'challa, so what was the purpose? What many are saying, that's the purpose. Yes, he wrapped it up how he wanted, completely spitting on Panther fans and the Panther to prop up Wolverine.

Frak Snookie, she dead to me.

As for the last thing about Cap and KoD T'challa. He's with Cap in NA and Capis going to get kicked out. Also Johns Panther overshadowed Cap in Redzone, so it depends. You need a writer who is not insecure about Powerful black men.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 25, 2013, 05:23:51 pm
posters calling Hudlin racist, calling Mcduiffie racist.

You have to be a absolute failure at life if you not only think either of those gentlemen are racist but you have to even convince yourself a little bit that they are. I would honestly love to know if the same people who call them that love the Justice League/Ben 10 cartoon or currently Django Unchained
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 25, 2013, 05:29:11 pm
posters calling Hudlin racist, calling Mcduiffie racist.

You have to be a absolute failure at life if you not only think either of those gentlemen are racist but you have to even convince yourself a little bit that they are. I would honestly love to know if the same people who call them that love the Justice League/Ben 10 cartoon or currently Django Unchained

Agreed. Wasn't there a Hudlin bait-hate thread a few weeks ago? the Mcduffie bashing when he was writing JL made me sick to my stomach.


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on January 25, 2013, 05:30:04 pm
So yeah, posters talk about it and put them on blast. Enough that CBR has to lock threads to protect them. Yet allow multi-page threads with these other posters calling Hudlin racist, calling Mcduiffie racist.

Yeah, it is bullsh*t as usual. If you draw attention to race issues, you're the racist. If you yell "fire", you're the one who set it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 25, 2013, 05:43:44 pm

Agreed. Wasn't there a Hudlin bait-hate thread a few weeks ago? the Mcduffie bashing when he was writing JL made me sick to my stomach.

Yes, it started with someone asking why people who like the run like it and of course all the haters came out in force with nonsense that he wrote T'Challa being mean to Monica and blah blah blah
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 25, 2013, 06:16:28 pm

Agreed. Wasn't there a Hudlin bait-hate thread a few weeks ago? the Mcduffie bashing when he was writing JL made me sick to my stomach.

Yes, it started with someone asking why people who like the run like it and of course all the haters came out in force with nonsense that he wrote T'Challa being mean to Monica and blah blah blah

Btw, I remember a certain Namor poster telling me that "insulting writers was against forum rules", when I was digging into Aaron a few weeks ago during Namor week. In one of the flame bait threads about Namor flooding Wakanda. It wasn't in a sarcastic tone either. Now admittedly my knowledge of the forum rules wasn't complete, but it just didn't sit right with me. So when I asked if Hudlin was immune to that protection when HE was getting slammed as a "White People, Hating Black Militant, Writer", and he didn't answer back, I knew something had to be up.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on January 25, 2013, 07:35:54 pm
What was the main thing that got it shut down though?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 25, 2013, 07:50:43 pm
This is HEF. Home of sane people. Why would anyone waste virtual ink discussing the Crazy Bin Regulars...which is what CBR stands for? Let us not even discuss their odiousness, much less condescend to grace them with the most infinitesimal particle of our time and energy. They don't even warrant the time it would take to descend to the muck they inhabit merely long enough to backhand smack them. Essentially they are a cross between Klansmen with a Sheldon from THE BIG BANG THEORY array of distasteful personality quirks...without the redeeming quality of Sheldon's high intelligence.

Whereas we here at HEF are rockin with The King who is the linchpin of the most important book at Marvel. Which is a smash hit, by the way, and will draw fans by the droves to not only Black Panther but Doctor Strange and possibly Namor too. I can see solos for each of these men spinning out from NA as a virtual certainty. Our energy is better used in drumming up even more riotous support for NA and ignoring those cretins unworthy of even being written about or mentioned by us, who are their superiors in every way worth mentioning. Our lives will be the better for it.

We know those Crazy Bin Regulars would never pop off so animatedly in any face to face discussion, or those Crazy Bin Regulars would find out that we HEFfas know how to make Hatas Eat Fists.

Now. In the case of one O'oreo O'Snooks Thomas...

...I think her days are numbered; but only if TChalla becomes a smash sensation via NA and hopefully as a major inclusion in the new Avengers movie. I think we will see O'oreo's rapid demise and the return of our beloved Ororo Munroe over the next 2 years as NA becomes more and more prominent, TChalla gets more and more shine, and Aaron is told to write TChalla more respectfully [ there will be multiple arcs wherein Aaron writes stuff that has nothing to do with TChalla, and that's as it should be ].

As for Aaron. I think that he has plans to wrap up Ororo and TChalla's relationship in a particular way, and he's pretty much done that. I think he was under orders to write in a way that didn't make all of us screech blatant racism, he had to write in a way that had some trace respect for TChalla, and mostly highlighted what the X-Office wants...which is to reposition the X-franchise as top dawg in the MU. A place that was once undisputedly theirs but which is now undisputedly Avengers territory. as Marvel's metaplot clearly places the Avengers as superior to The X-Men [ and I just can't see how anyone writes Rogue beating The Avengers, much less even being able to stand with Thor or Hercules. I think Iron Man and Vision can smash her solo. I think TChalla smashes her solo. As TChalla is a top tier Avenger. As in...Black Panther Avenger >>>>X-woman Storm very soon in the public eye, and without contention if TChalla is incuded in The Avengers and given serious cool points, as he should be given [ TChalla, Marvel's Batman with better acrobatics than Nightwing...not a African Batman imitation like Batwing, although I buy his book too, lol ]. For the record? I don't see King of the Dead TChalla being in Avengers or at least if he is in Avengers? I don't see TChalla in any way overshadowing Captain America, which King of the Dead TChalla does.

Thoughts?

I agree with some points.

But the marriage was already wrapped up. No one forced him to continue what seems like a concentrated effort on his and the X-office behalf as "pay back" for stealing Storm. Period.

I don't get making excuses for him. He has NO futher plans to use T'challa, so what was the purpose? What many are saying, that's the purpose. Yes, he wrapped it up how he wanted, completely spitting on Panther fans and the Panther to prop up Wolverine.

Frak Snookie, she dead to me.

As for the last thing about Cap and KoD T'challa. He's with Cap in NA and Capis going to get kicked out. Also Johns Panther overshadowed Cap in Redzone, so it depends. You need a writer who is not insecure about Powerful black men.


How do you go from writing the dazzling SEE WAKANDA AND DIE to Ororo liplocking Logan...IF that's even what happened?

X-Office mandates. X-fans hate of the Marvel flag being squarely planted on The Avengers franchise, and let's be real: the X-Office has literally never ever been happy with strong Black men.

So of course they had a moonbat panic attack about TChalla, as TChalla is the embodiment of all they despise and much more. With the ascension of Obama, TChalla has basically become not only Marvel's Batman but Marvel's Obama. TChalla's pushes oftentimes coincide with the times that the country is feeling good about our first Black President...and TChalla has received the unheard of, previously unthinkable benediction of support from Marvel's top honchos, so TChalla has become immune to the regular cavalier way that the few Black males in Marvel are treated.

How it must rankle them beyond merely gnashing of teeth. TChalla being returned to prominence as the linchpin for the most important book in Marvel, aaaannnnd being bandied about as both a hotly anticipated prospective member of the next Avengers franchise, a possible solo feature film, and a definite solo series again. They must break out with hata hickies on top of their hives.

And Jason is an employee, folks. He gets to do what he's told, or he gets sent packing. No more paycheck for him. That's how he goes from SEE WAKANDA AND DIE to X-Office TCHALLA HATA SCRIPTOR.

But. I must say. The dialogue that Jason has pulled off, given the orders he's been given from the X-Office, has been good. I don't hate the whole scenes leading up to TChalla saying "not him" and I don't hate their whole thing with Ororo dropping storm rain on the prospective princesses for TChalla. I think that discussion rang true, and I don't think TChalla looked like a sucka when he said what he said. I know for a fact that RH, McDuffie, Priest, Hickman, and anybody not carrying the water for the X-Plantation would have done a far better, far more magnificent job...because they're all GOOD WRITERS. Incuding Jason. That guy who wrote SEE WAKANDA AND DIE didn't up and disappear. He's probably better now than he was back then. He just has to carry a different mandate now. That's my thoughts.

I definitely am not a fan of the artistic rendering of the princesses suing for TChalla's interest as Queen of Wakanda, and for a time I put Aaron on the hook for their rendering as a partner to the artwork done by the artist...but then I remembered PRIEST'S "CAP AND FALCON" series. Remember how the first arc featured hypermuscular superheroes, with manga-like positioning of the characters and panel layouts? PRIEST absolutely didn't do that, his big name talented but definitely unusual layout choosing artist series partner. The same could very well be the case with Aaron.

We don't know.

You know what I need to see, before I come down on Jason? I need to see him put disrespectful dialogue in somebody's mouth about TChalla. I heard that some X-lax writer had Ororo slander TChalla's performance in the sack. Is that true? Who wrote that? Scans please. I have to see if Ororo actually bangs Logan or not; need some scans to prove that [ Seven, paging Seven...or my Princesa ].

I need to see the actual things that we're talking about, because I didn't react the same way to TChalla's fight with Ororo or the whole Ororo TChalla "last race" thing, OR their discussion with TChalla letting Ororo win at chess and culminating with TChalla saying "not him".
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 26, 2013, 05:24:23 am
How does one go from "See Wakanda and Die" to this?  I have said it before.  That storyline made me see BP as so stupid and the only reason he won is because the seasoned Skrull commander was more stupid. 

When the Skrull army is powerless, fighting on an open field, he tells his nearlly all powerful wife who could destroy those stupidly lead Skrulls in two seconds--"Don't use you powers; let's let our people be killed in a land war.  Yeah, I know you can summon tornados and raze down the Skrulls who forgot they can shape-shift, and shatter their fallen ships, but no, it is smarter for us to sneak on board while people die." (SI, the reason you had to fix that in your fanfiction shows why it was so badly written.) Yes, the story makes the Wakandans look tough and bad, but it also makes BP look stupid.  (This is why they are a mismatched power level as a couple.  She is too powerful to write in stories like this without telling her to hold back.)

(If the Skrull commander just held back half his ships, it would have been spears vs ray guns.)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on January 26, 2013, 05:29:07 am


How do you go from writing the dazzling SEE WAKANDA AND DIE to Ororo liplocking Logan...IF that's even what happened?

X-Office mandates. X-fans hate of the Marvel flag being squarely planted on The Avengers franchise, and let's be real: the X-Office has literally never ever been happy with strong Black men.






True.(http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/33.gif)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Metro on January 26, 2013, 07:46:20 am

Ironic how Storm in fiction mirrors so much of her actress, Halle Berry, in reality -- the lost potential, the misdirected casting, the underlying resentments.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on January 26, 2013, 09:49:12 am
How does one go from "See Wakanda and Die" to this?  I have said it before.  That storyline made me see BP as so stupid and the only reason he won is because the seasoned Skrull commander was more stupid. 

When the Skrull army is powerless, fighting on an open field, he tells his nearlly all powerful wife who could destroy those stupidly lead Skrulls in two seconds--"Don't use you powers; let's let our people be killed in a land war.  Yeah, I know you can summon tornados and raze down the Skrulls who forgot they can shape-shift, and shatter their fallen ships, but no, it is smarter for us to sneak on board while people die." (SI, the reason you had to fix that in your fanfiction shows why it was so badly written.) Yes, the story makes the Wakandans look tough and bad, but it also makes BP look stupid.  (This is why they are a mismatched power level as a couple.  She is too powerful to write in stories like this without telling her to hold back.)

(If the Skrull commander just held back half his ships, it would have been spears vs ray guns.)
You had all of these skrulls whom had a ton of these of powers. You would think one of them would give storm some trouble at least. It would've been an even better book and story if storm was unleashed fighting one of the "powerful" super skrulls while BP sneaking in. Thing is however people die in war so either way it would've happen just not as much
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 26, 2013, 09:58:34 am
If any Skrulls showed up with powers to fight Storm I would agree.  I kept waiting for there to be a reason he held her back, but it never materialized.  It is almost like he wrote those plans when he was single and couldn't figure out how to adjust them to use Storm so he said, "no powers."  Really?  The writer said, he wanted to write Braveheart and he forced the story into that form.  And the only way that worked is by making BP and the Skrull commanders stupid
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on January 26, 2013, 04:52:46 pm
So just to clarify...Storm is giving head for haircuts, but Reggie Hudlin is the one who wrote Storm as out of character. Gotcha.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 26, 2013, 05:37:17 pm
So just to clarify...Storm is giving head for haircuts, but Reggie Hudlin is the one who wrote Storm as out of character. Gotcha.
Basically.

And Storm is only allowed to be head master if she is screwing Logan? I'm glad you said this, but I thought this whole situation was disturbing. And if you shine light on it, you are "sexist".
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 26, 2013, 05:40:05 pm
So just to clarify...Storm is giving head for haircuts, but Reggie Hudlin is the one who wrote Storm as out of character. Gotcha.

But...BUT...she's known Logan for ages, and they have history together! Oh wait, that same tenured history wasn't good enough to land her the Headmistress spot on her own merits. Nevermind...
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on January 26, 2013, 06:05:37 pm
But...BUT...she's known Logan for ages, and they have history together! Oh wait, that same tenured history wasn't good enough to land her the Headmistress spot on her own merits. Nevermind...

Silly Booshman. Don't you know that you need a white man's hand prints on your ass approval before you can do something like that?

I don't expect anything from Storm fans - whoever compared her to Halle Berry nailed it - but I'm surprised that more Wolverine fans aren't upset by this. Even if Storm did come to him of her own free will, Logan would've easily been able to see that something was wrong. I doubt if he would allow Storm to use him as drive-by dick. Any other woman, yes, but not Storm. If anything, he probably would've tried to talk her out of it.

Storm has always been the girl you couldn't get. She is, to quote Trina, the baddest bitch. (Or she was, anyway.) That's why she was able to have a guy like T'Challa practically begging for her hand in marriage after having not as much as gotten a TASTE of the goodies in over a decade. So why is a chick like that getting chopped down in the Danger Room showers? That's not empowerment. That's not feminist. That's not forward-thinking. That's pathetic. And I don't think Wolverine would go for a thing like that. Logan likes her as unattainable and untouchable. The fantasy is more fun than the reality. What Storm did lowers her down to some typical chick.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 26, 2013, 06:24:19 pm
But...BUT...she's known Logan for ages, and they have history together! Oh wait, that same tenured history wasn't good enough to land her the Headmistress spot on her own merits. Nevermind...

Silly Booshman. Don't you know that you need a white man's hand prints on your ass approval before you can do something like that?

I don't expect anything from Storm fans - whoever compared her to Halle Berry nailed it - but I'm surprised that more Wolverine fans aren't upset by this. Even if Storm did come to him of her own free will, Logan would've easily been able to see that something was wrong. I doubt if he would allow Storm to use him as drive-by dick. Any other woman, yes, but not Storm. If anything, he probably would've tried to talk her out of it.

Storm has always been the girl you couldn't get. She is, to quote Trina, the baddest bitch. (Or she was, anyway.) That's why she was able to have a guy like T'Challa practically begging for her hand in marriage after having not as much as gotten a TASTE of the goodies in over a decade. So why is a chick like that getting chopped down in the Danger Room showers? That's not empowerment. That's not feminist. That's not forward-thinking. That's pathetic. And I don't think Wolverine would go for a thing like that. Logan likes her as unattainable and untouchable. The fantasy is more fun than the reality. What Storm did lowers her down to some typical chick.

I'm sorry, but as I read this post all I could hear was the Living Single theme song.

I'm not surprised that Wolverine fans aren't upset. It seems as if too many of them have been gobbling up every low point of his character and of his history for years "because he's badass and as long as he stabs someone in the end, the character is fine." Watching all the idiot Storm fans who accepted this crap (usually because they hate T'challa), as they bend over backwards and engage in such pathetic mental gymnastics to see their "Regal Goddess" as being justified in "smutting it up", is just hilarious. She's justified because "it's just casual sex" or "they're friends with benefits". Or whatever goofy-assed slogan they want to use, so they don't look like blatant hypocrites for basically promoting a woman sleeping with a man, so these fans can get their "revenge" against another man. One that they are not shy about, when it comes to expressing just how much they hate. Not to play the "Oppressed Man Card" (because it's laughable), but for all the Storm Fan's crying of us being misogynists, for them to use Wolverine (and sometimes Namor) as a weapon against T'challa, is pure misandry. Plain and simple.

And btw, any other woman who runs back to a known "Canadian Ike Turner meets Jack the Ripper of Children" would be viewed as weak and a complete disgrace to all woman-kind by them. No matter how "in control" she tried to portray her self as being. And no matter their history. Hell ESPECIALLY the history. The fact that she kept associating with such a degenerate is telling on her part.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 26, 2013, 06:35:44 pm
So glad to see people understand this whole mess.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on January 26, 2013, 08:37:37 pm
But...BUT...she's known Logan for ages, and they have history together! Oh wait, that same tenured history wasn't good enough to land her the Headmistress spot on her own merits. Nevermind...

Silly Booshman. Don't you know that you need a white man's hand prints on your ass approval before you can do something like that?

I don't expect anything from Storm fans - whoever compared her to Halle Berry nailed it - but I'm surprised that more Wolverine fans aren't upset by this. Even if Storm did come to him of her own free will, Logan would've easily been able to see that something was wrong. I doubt if he would allow Storm to use him as drive-by dick. Any other woman, yes, but not Storm. If anything, he probably would've tried to talk her out of it.

Storm has always been the girl you couldn't get. She is, to quote Trina, the baddest bitch. (Or she was, anyway.) That's why she was able to have a guy like T'Challa practically begging for her hand in marriage after having not as much as gotten a TASTE of the goodies in over a decade. So why is a chick like that getting chopped down in the Danger Room showers? That's not empowerment. That's not feminist. That's not forward-thinking. That's pathetic. And I don't think Wolverine would go for a thing like that. Logan likes her as unattainable and untouchable. The fantasy is more fun than the reality. What Storm did lowers her down to some typical chick.

RIghteous post!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Moose100 on January 26, 2013, 08:55:00 pm
What I find interesting and unfortunately consistent with these minority characters is this urge to do these types of things to them. It's like they are BURNING to "strip the character to their essence." I haven't seen alot of this from the Black writers that handled BP and Storm. Also interestingly enough the likes of McDuffie,Hudlin and Priest(from what I can tell) got stoned for writing them opposite to what we are seeing now.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Skullmageddon on January 27, 2013, 08:57:55 am
What I find interesting and unfortunately consistent with these minority characters is this urge to do these types of things to them. It's like they are BURNING to "strip the character to their essence." I haven't seen alot of this from the Black writers that handled BP and Storm. Also interestingly enough the likes of McDuffie,Hudlin and Priest(from what I can tell) got stoned for writing them opposite to what we are seeing now.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hasn't noticed this. When I was discussing Mettle's death in Avengers Arena, someone asked me the question of "You don't want anything bad to happen to the character?" to which I responded, not in the manner this happened. When it comes to Big 2 Superhero comics, one of the alarming trends I've noticed when it comes to Minority Characters of all stripes, Characters of Color in particular and Male Characters of Color, especially is that they are subject to a very limited series of fates. Among these fates are...

1) Deconstruction to the point where their flaws define the character beyond redemption.
2) Deconstruction to the point where there power sets are distilled beyond usefulness
3) Maiming that takes them out of action
4) Depowering that takes them out of action.
5) Demphasis to the point where they're just a background character
6) Written out of future stories
7) Cybernetic Implants
8) Death

It's very rarely that you actually see these characters deal with their challenges or character flaws in a manner that makes them a stronger character when the struggle is finished. Their stories are usually ones where they don't have the stuff to save themselves and need someone white to save them or they don't get saved at all.

If that's the fate of every minority character that looks different from the default, then you should be very scared about these things getting to the point of reading if that stuff matters to you?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 27, 2013, 09:57:05 am
How does one go from "See Wakanda and Die" to this?  I have said it before.  That storyline made me see BP as so stupid and the only reason he won is because the seasoned Skrull commander was more stupid. 

When the Skrull army is powerless, fighting on an open field, he tells his nearlly all powerful wife who could destroy those stupidly lead Skrulls in two seconds--"Don't use you powers; let's let our people be killed in a land war.  Yeah, I know you can summon tornados and raze down the Skrulls who forgot they can shape-shift, and shatter their fallen ships, but no, it is smarter for us to sneak on board while people die." (SI, the reason you had to fix that in your fanfiction shows why it was so badly written.) Yes, the story makes the Wakandans look tough and bad, but it also makes BP look stupid.  (This is why they are a mismatched power level as a couple.  She is too powerful to write in stories like this without telling her to hold back.)

(If the Skrull commander just held back half his ships, it would have been spears vs ray guns.)

Yes, I definitely fixed some things in SEE WAKANDA AND DIE in my fanfiction. I saw several major things in that premise about The Skrulls which I definitely had issues with...and I left the imminent threat of The Skrulls invading the rest of the world plus their deployment of superpowered Skrulls [ which Jason Aaron ably wrote and which Pao or whatever his name is--like that guy alot, loved his  return with Liss on TMDMA--showed initially ] as being a major issue to contend with. I'd've thought that the threat of MORE SuperSkrulls coming to Wakanda--this time fully locked and loaded for Storm--would've been a major issue in TChalla's contingency plans, and a major reason why he didn't deploy her in the typical, unimaginative way as of yet [ "typical" and "unimaginative" are definitely NOT ways to describe TChalla ].

I also think it would be essentially impossible to keep the Wakandans themselves from going directly to war with any invader. The Wakandan people are a warrior-spiritual-tech people through and through, and could no more stop themselves from locking horns with any invader than say...Reed could actually be naturally stupid.

Honestly? I also see the Wakandans as a far more capable warrior people than they were displayed as being in SEE WAKANDA AND DIE. Each of them are essentially Olympians with a Decathlon base, best on the Earth regading warrior combat skills in every regard from weapons crafting to tactics, from hand to hand to soul to soul [ Eric Jerome Dickey repeatedly referred to the Wakandans as "Earth's Warriors Supreme" ]. The SuperSkrulls are more lethal than the Wakandans are insofar as powers are concerned, but the SuperSkrulls are not more skilled talented experienced or smarter than the Wakandans are; and the Super Skrulls don't have better tech, either. The Wakanadans have tech sharply superior and definitely more subtle than what the Super Skrulls possess [ Aaron laid the canon for that, too ]. Essentially, have a base population which is a cross between the Bene Gesserit, K'un-Lun, and Egypt, soak their society in hyper theoretical tech even in the outlands like Tatooine on Star Wars [ but more advanced than anything we see in Star Trek and Star Wars combined ], all committed to the spiritual development of themselves like a cross between the Jedi Force and the Bene Gesserit disciplines, with magic being as prevalent and expected as it is in He-Man's Eternia, psionics being developed in enclaves like a human equivalent to Illithid communities, a cadre of Wakandan mutants hidden from the rest of the world, all lead by a leader who is the pinnacle expression of all of these things combined and amped to the very limits of human ability [ THE BLACK PANTHER ] and all praying to and devotees of The Panther God...a mighty extradimensional diety that takes personal interest in their existence. That's...one helluva potent, potent brew.

But I have no problem with writing TChalla and Ororo together. I don't see their disparate power sets as something that imbalances them. I see that as a challenge to good writing. Jason's description of TChalla's prep that nuetralized Ororo's flight and storm powers is not even an atom on the tip of the iceberg. EVERYONE who isn't a X-zealot of the worst extreme expected such a thing, including Ororo herself. I would show TChalla's incredible intelligence, resourcefulness, etc in such a way that it would definitely even out and balance Ororo's sheer power, and I would write Ororo's intelligence, regality, spiritual and character strength, h2h skill, etc etc in such a way as to command respect and balance out TChalla's overwhelming physical and mental advantages.

If the Skrull commander held back half of his ships, it would have been STORM vs ray guns...and I think she would've beaten most if not all of them. If not?  TChalla would've broken out with magic and the Wakandan mutants. At least that would've been the case with me penning TChalla, and is clearly stated as such in my fanfic, in Chapter 3.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 27, 2013, 10:01:09 am
What I find interesting and unfortunately consistent with these minority characters is this urge to do these types of things to them. It's like they are BURNING to "strip the character to their essence." I haven't seen alot of this from the Black writers that handled BP and Storm. Also interestingly enough the likes of McDuffie,Hudlin and Priest(from what I can tell) got stoned for writing them opposite to what we are seeing now.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hasn't noticed this. When I was discussing Mettle's death in Avengers Arena, someone asked me the question of "You don't want anything bad to happen to the character?" to which I responded, not in the manner this happened. When it comes to Big 2 Superhero comics, one of the alarming trends I've noticed when it comes to Minority Characters of all stripes, Characters of Color in particular and Male Characters of Color, especially is that they are subject to a very limited series of fates. Among these fates are...

1) Deconstruction to the point where their flaws define the character beyond redemption.
2) Deconstruction to the point where there power sets are distilled beyond usefulness
3) Maiming that takes them out of action
4) Depowering that takes them out of action.
5) Demphasis to the point where they're just a background character
6) Written out of future stories
7) Cybernetic Implants
8) Death

It's very rarely that you actually see these characters deal with their challenges or character flaws in a manner that makes them a stronger character when the struggle is finished. Their stories are usually ones where they don't have the stuff to save themselves and need someone white to save them or they don't get saved at all.

If that's the fate of every minority character that looks different from the default, then you should be very scared about these things getting to the point of reading if that stuff matters to you?


I think this is a for real straight up truth, and I can't cosign this hard enough.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 27, 2013, 02:20:53 pm
What I find interesting and unfortunately consistent with these minority characters is this urge to do these types of things to them. It's like they are BURNING to "strip the character to their essence." I haven't seen alot of this from the Black writers that handled BP and Storm. Also interestingly enough the likes of McDuffie,Hudlin and Priest(from what I can tell) got stoned for writing them opposite to what we are seeing now.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hasn't noticed this. When I was discussing Mettle's death in Avengers Arena, someone asked me the question of "You don't want anything bad to happen to the character?" to which I responded, not in the manner this happened. When it comes to Big 2 Superhero comics, one of the alarming trends I've noticed when it comes to Minority Characters of all stripes, Characters of Color in particular and Male Characters of Color, especially is that they are subject to a very limited series of fates. Among these fates are...

1) Deconstruction to the point where their flaws define the character beyond redemption.
2) Deconstruction to the point where there power sets are distilled beyond usefulness
3) Maiming that takes them out of action
4) Depowering that takes them out of action.
5) Demphasis to the point where they're just a background character
6) Written out of future stories
7) Cybernetic Implants
8) Death

It's very rarely that you actually see these characters deal with their challenges or character flaws in a manner that makes them a stronger character when the struggle is finished. Their stories are usually ones where they don't have the stuff to save themselves and need someone white to save them or they don't get saved at all.

If that's the fate of every minority character that looks different from the default, then you should be very scared about these things getting to the point of reading if that stuff matters to you?

I agree this is the truth.
Smh
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on January 27, 2013, 06:54:16 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 27, 2013, 07:05:21 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.

It's good to see you again, Open palm! How have you been, brutha?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 27, 2013, 08:42:35 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.
Haha..did you see the WATXM cover with their (Logan and Storm) future Son/daughter?
The hell with Azzari--who stared in a movie and was part of the influence for the big AU event.

Smh.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121115154345/marveldatabase/images/8/8f/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men_Vol_1_25_Variant.jpg)
Little guy/gal doesn't know he's/she's already dead going by X-office standards. Lol
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 27, 2013, 08:53:07 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.
Haha..did you see the WATXM cover with their (Logan and Storm) future Son/daughter?
The hell with Azzari--who stared in a movie and was part of the influence for the big AU event.

Smh.


Aw HELL NO.

Waitaminnit.

Shoulda expected that.

Who wrote that?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on January 27, 2013, 08:54:52 pm
Your boy Jason "the Black Emasuclator" Aaron :) lol
 :(
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 27, 2013, 10:14:41 pm
Your boy Jason "the Black Emasuclator" Aaron :) lol
 :(

Man.

I shoulda expected that, too.

And I didn't expect it, but I was prepared for it as a distinctly likely outcome.

I betcha that issue sold like hotcakes, too.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on January 27, 2013, 11:33:47 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.

Nah. This would be a good time for it to be discovered that Storm is pre...never mind. At this rate, it would be Logan's baby, but Aaron would have Storm trying to tell T'Challa that it's his. If I didn't know any better (because of See Wakanda and Die), I'd swear he hated black women.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on January 28, 2013, 12:33:31 am

It's good to see you again, Open palm! How have you been, brutha?

Enjoying my university education Down Under. I heard Melanie Brown might compete in fitness and figure shows this year. Love her figure.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on January 28, 2013, 12:39:07 am
Nah. This would be a good time for it to be discovered that Storm is pre...never mind. At this rate, it would be Logan's baby, but Aaron would have Storm trying to tell T'Challa that it's his. If I didn't know any better (because of See Wakanda and Die), I'd swear he hated black women.

After all this time is Marvel really serious about Storm ever having children? Scarlett Witch and Jean Grey already had kids, albeit through unnatural means. Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson already had a baby. So has Alpha Flight's Guardian and Vindicator. It's just as unlikely that DC's Wonder Woman would bear a child soon. Why play something like that now? Just say she's missed her chance and let her get on with the rest of her adventures.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: D-LO on January 28, 2013, 12:42:21 am
What I find interesting and unfortunately consistent with these minority characters is this urge to do these types of things to them. It's like they are BURNING to "strip the character to their essence." I haven't seen alot of this from the Black writers that handled BP and Storm. Also interestingly enough the likes of McDuffie,Hudlin and Priest(from what I can tell) got stoned for writing them opposite to what we are seeing now.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hasn't noticed this. When I was discussing Mettle's death in Avengers Arena, someone asked me the question of "You don't want anything bad to happen to the character?" to which I responded, not in the manner this happened. When it comes to Big 2 Superhero comics, one of the alarming trends I've noticed when it comes to Minority Characters of all stripes, Characters of Color in particular and Male Characters of Color, especially is that they are subject to a very limited series of fates. Among these fates are...

1) Deconstruction to the point where their flaws define the character beyond redemption.
2) Deconstruction to the point where there power sets are distilled beyond usefulness
3) Maiming that takes them out of action
4) Depowering that takes them out of action.
5) Demphasis to the point where they're just a background character
6) Written out of future stories
7) Cybernetic Implants
8) Death

It's very rarely that you actually see these characters deal with their challenges or character flaws in a manner that makes them a stronger character when the struggle is finished. Their stories are usually ones where they don't have the stuff to save themselves and need someone white to save them or they don't get saved at all.

If that's the fate of every minority character that looks different from the default, then you should be very scared about these things getting to the point of reading if that stuff matters to you?
Pretty much the status quo for basic entertainment. Black characters are not supposed to be on the same level of heroism as their white counterparts!!! Thus why they pitched a hissy fit over BP putting Silver Surfer in a armbar. Since the marrige they felt that their little world has been violated by a blackman touching their little jump-off. Now that the marrige is over(their nightmare) they can break out that bottle of lotion and tissue and get their freak-on without seeing a black man tapping that black behind!!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Wakandan561 on January 28, 2013, 09:24:22 am
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.
Haha..did you see the WATXM cover with their (Logan and Storm) future Son/daughter?
The hell with Azzari--who stared in a movie and was part of the influence for the big AU event.

Smh.
([url]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121115154345/marveldatabase/images/8/8f/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men_Vol_1_25_Variant.jpg[/url])
Little guy/gal doesn't know he's/she's already dead going by X-office standards. Lol

I think that kid may be the child of Kitty and Bobby not Storm and Logan
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 30, 2013, 07:30:49 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.
Haha..did you see the WATXM cover with their (Logan and Storm) future Son/daughter?
The hell with Azzari--who stared in a movie and was part of the influence for the big AU event.

Smh.
([url]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121115154345/marveldatabase/images/8/8f/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men_Vol_1_25_Variant.jpg[/url])
Little guy/gal doesn't know he's/she's already dead going by X-office standards. Lol

I think that kid may be the child of Kitty and Bobby not Storm and Logan



I'm willing to bet that all of this will wind up as I previously speculated, to wit: If TChalla is a breakout star [ and he will be ] and O'oreo and TChalla have a thing with someone else for awhile [ and they will; or at least TChalla will and Ororo will be on mammy mode ] then all will be forgiven. In fact? As TChalla reacquires his Mollywhop Yo Momma Status, I bet that Ororo will receive upgrades to and will even move up from the "mammy/possible jump off/wall paper" role that she's most often cast in. We might see flashes of the return of actual rumpus whoopin ORORO MUNROE. That lady we last saw under the pens of RH,YOST and LISS [ remember her gitdown with the evil doctor who engaged Kraven's services ]. In fact ,we can bank on it.

IF.

Hickman delivers and the hatas don't torpedo N.A. to below stellar performances.

Speaking of.

Howz the sales going for New Avengers?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mad Coco G on January 31, 2013, 01:27:50 am
Hickman's success has noting to do with the success of someone in the x-books, notice how BP is getting new fans thanks to NA and yet Aaron still wrote him as some chump. The x-office has always wanted to have their own little corner to write what makes them feel good and never gave a damn about the anything outside that self made bubble( you can make a case for Luke Cage being a success and all we got out of that was a wild and angry black mutant named Bishop ).

That want O to be their mammy and she's going to be that way until the folks who want that are no longer in charge there and that regime looks to be hanging around
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on January 31, 2013, 03:04:05 am
She's also stuck in this outdated view of a mystical African woman. I realized this when I read a forward by Margaret Atwood in a copy of H.R. Haggard's "She". Storm's character shares no good traits of today's modern women leaders in Africa. It would be interesting just to write her as being a repatriated American citizen, who's embraced the Western culture of her father while still acknowledging her roots in the Serengeti.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on January 31, 2013, 02:22:53 pm
This would be a good time to revisit the idea that Storm becomes barren and therefore unable to ever bear her own children.
Haha..did you see the WATXM cover with their (Logan and Storm) future Son/daughter?
The hell with Azzari--who stared in a movie and was part of the influence for the big AU event.

Smh.
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Little guy/gal doesn't know he's/she's already dead going by X-office standards. Lol


What the hell am I looking at?

It looks like the most horribly epic drug hallucination ever.

I'm suprised there isn't a bongo playing Gorilla in there too just on general prinicipal.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on January 31, 2013, 03:16:01 pm
What the hell am I looking at?

It looks like the most horribly epic drug hallucination ever.

I'm suprised there isn't a bongo playing Gorilla in there too just on general prinicipal.




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Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 31, 2013, 06:21:24 pm
She's also stuck in this outdated view of a mystical African woman. I realized this when I read a forward by Margaret Atwood in a copy of H.R. Haggard's "She". Storm's character shares no good traits of today's modern women leaders in Africa. It would be interesting just to write her as being a repatriated American citizen, who's embraced the Western culture of her father while still acknowledging her roots in the Serengeti.

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold it right there.

She can't be TOO African, because that would break the illusion and turn off too many X-Fans. Which would cause them to start screaming "agenda!" Storm since her creation is to be relegated as a "safe/palatable/racially neutered" black character who is "a mutant first and foremost". Besides the casual mention of how "free" she feels in Africa, she's not supposed to go too far beyond that. Too much "blackness", rubs them the wrong way. For example, when Hudlin had her talking about black hair (an issue with many black American women) the more "passionate and loyal" X-fans were complaining and equating that with her doing something extreme. Like getting a red, black, and green Kwanzaa Tattoo right above her butt, that had the words "Eff You Whitey!" surrounding it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on January 31, 2013, 08:06:58 pm
She's also stuck in this outdated view of a mystical African woman. I realized this when I read a forward by Margaret Atwood in a copy of H.R. Haggard's "She". Storm's character shares no good traits of today's modern women leaders in Africa. It would be interesting just to write her as being a repatriated American citizen, who's embraced the Western culture of her father while still acknowledging her roots in the Serengeti.

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold it right there.

She can't be TOO African, because that would break the illusion and turn off too many X-Fans. Which would cause them to start screaming "agenda!" Storm since her creation is to be relegated as a "safe/palatable/racially neutered" black character who is "a mutant first and foremost". Besides the casual mention of how "free" she feels in Africa, she's not supposed to go too far beyond that. Too much "blackness", rubs them the wrong way. For example, when Hudlin had her talking about black hair (an issue with many black American women) the more "passionate and loyal" X-fans were complaining and equating that with her doing something extreme. Like getting a red, black, and green Kwanzaa Tattoo right above her butt, that had the words "Eff You Whitey!" surrounding it.

What would be TOO African at this point? She's been living in the U.S. for years now. There's nothing wrong with having her acknowledging her past in Africa but it would be easier to depict her as repatriated and prefers to live in America. There's nothing shameful about preferring to stay in her father's home country after living in the Serengeti. People have moved across countries for eons.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on January 31, 2013, 08:33:23 pm
What would be TOO African at this point?

Storm can be African just as long as she's not black. So as long as Marvel keeps depicting Africa like some magical, exotic country - like Greece or Spain - everything is okay. But if they acknowledge that Africa is a continent with actual people - most of them black, like Storm - that's a problem. Why do you think they keep playing up her Egyptian life, even though she is biologically Kenyan?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on January 31, 2013, 08:40:50 pm

What would be TOO African at this point? She's been living in the U.S. for years now. There's nothing wrong with having her acknowledging her past in Africa but it would be easier to depict her as repatriated and prefers to live in America. There's nothing shameful about preferring to stay in her father's home country after living in the Serengeti. People have moved across countries for eons.

I think you missed my sarcasm, and my light jab at the mentality of a segment of X-fans. (As well as ignorant white comic book fans and "kowtowing" non-white comic book fans.) Storm's "blackness" is on THEIR terms, and can only be doled out in comfortable and miniscule doses.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on February 01, 2013, 06:14:14 am
I think the "black hair" thing was done by Dmac but i could be wrong. That was a funny scene
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on February 01, 2013, 09:28:35 am
I think the "black hair" thing was done by Dmac but i could be wrong. That was a funny scene

Yeah, where she got mad at Thing for asking if she had a weave. One of my favorite moments in comics.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 07, 2013, 10:18:19 am
She's also stuck in this outdated view of a mystical African woman. I realized this when I read a forward by Margaret Atwood in a copy of H.R. Haggard's "She". Storm's character shares no good traits of today's modern women leaders in Africa. It would be interesting just to write her as being a repatriated American citizen, who's embraced the Western culture of her father while still acknowledging her roots in the Serengeti.


Whoa whoa whoa! Hold it right there.

She can't be TOO African, because that would break the illusion and turn off too many X-Fans. Which would cause them to start screaming "agenda!" Storm since her creation is to be relegated as a "safe/palatable/racially neutered" black character who is "a mutant first and foremost". Besides the casual mention of how "free" she feels in Africa, she's not supposed to go too far beyond that. Too much "blackness", rubs them the wrong way. For example, when Hudlin had her talking about black hair (an issue with many black American women) the more "passionate and loyal" X-fans were complaining and equating that with her doing something extreme. Like getting a red, black, and green Kwanzaa Tattoo right above her butt, that had the words "Eff You Whitey!" surrounding it.


What would be TOO African at this point? She's been living in the U.S. for years now. There's nothing wrong with having her acknowledging her past in Africa but it would be easier to depict her as repatriated and prefers to live in America. There's nothing shameful about preferring to stay in her father's home country after living in the Serengeti. People have moved across countries for eons.


You can always add cream to Black coffee. 

Too Black?

Storm should embrace her African heritage for one reason & one reason only… So women & women of colour can identify with the character.

A Storm for the ladies? Hahaha, fan-boys rule the core market. Females don’t really buy comics because....? Black women purchase tons of reading publications & could make Storm the “Black Barbie” instead of Nicki Minaj.

A “Sex in the City Storm“? Well, with girl power energy…

Remember when "Oprah’s Book Club" premiered a comic book!  My bad, that didn’t happen. It’s never too late. Would we still be having this debate if more women weighed-in on Storm? What if a ‘crossover’ character existed? Who could be? Ororo? She still represents women & women of colour. “O” does acknowledge Becky Cloonan, a female artist for Batman. Would Oprah acknowledge Ororo? OO
 
If Steve Harvey and Tyler Perry can make phenomenal profits, courtesy of black women, surely Oreo could get their attention($).

Still, pleasing “fan-boys“… in an Obamerica? OOO


RH: [Laughs] No pressure! But I'm always proud that I'm the guy who told Sam "Go to the store and grab The Ultimates because you're in it!"
CA: Ha! You were the one who first told him that?
RH: Oh yeah. So, you know, we have a great comic book relationship!

^ Could we tell women of colour the same thing about Ororo?
Wouldn’t women-readers & Storm have a great relation$hip?


Why did Storm have a “Punk“ trend…? TO PLEASE THE FANBASE.
Why the Mohawk? Surely, not to make her image more exotic. Isn’t Punk another  name for “Euro-Thug“? Poor-white-rebellious-youths form a culture around music. Yeah, that sounds perfect for a character from Africa. Maybe, she was more “Chic” than Punk. Yeah, “Chic.”


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9poq8v6k01qg65vko1_500.jpg)


Why the Mohawk? I remember someone else with a Mohawk. Mr. “Planet Rock“… Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation. Didn’t they come from the Chic era too? Their music was a declaration of black pride & not a militant or authoritative stance. Why does cultural pride equal militancy? Geez, they were also known as “The Cosmic Force.” I referenced Storm with the term “Cosmic Storm.” The Soul Sonic Force… 

Supa-Cat (BP) holds the “blackness” on his shoulders.

White women go to the Caribbean & come back with their hair braided.  You can embrace a culture despite your ethnicity or mutant status. Hip hop & Punk are considered musical cultures.

C’mon, the same fan-boy fantasy?(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18863/2676661-screen_shot_2012_10_30_at_5.01.12_pm.png) (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CnraS-RD1Fc/0.jpg)  GoDaddy's 2013 Super Bowl Commercial                                                                                                                                            GoDaddy's 2013 Super Bowl Commercial                                                                                                                                                                         


(http://www.theroot.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog-image-full/beyonce_kelly_michelle_black_women_575.jpg)

meanwhile... on the field(@2013 Super Bowl), black men & women were being celebrated... also, Jennifer Hudson and Alicia Keys. sweet jesus!

.... it really was a "Black-Out!"lol


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mr. Peejay on February 08, 2013, 10:50:22 am
Don't get it twisted.
Not all of us have Nat King Cole records...

http://www.afropunk.com/ (http://www.afropunk.com/)

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 08, 2013, 08:27:08 pm
Haha… you already know! Saul Williams fan. It’s the evolution of the culture. Yep, I’m still staying true to Nat. It’s all black music. Punk/Funk


A sketch from 2011
storm with mohawk

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nice
http://www.afropunk.com/ (http://www.afropunk.com/)





Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 10, 2013, 04:50:58 am
Don't get it twisted.
Not all of us have Nat King Cole records...

[url]http://www.afropunk.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.afropunk.com/[/url])
,

Even though I'm not a huge fan of the music genre, I've lurked certain sections of the AP Forums for years. Not to sound all "National Geographicy" (for lack of a better term), but I've always found the AP community to be a fascinating one.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on February 12, 2013, 05:37:06 pm
Too Black?

Storm should embrace her African heritage for one reason & one reason only… So women & women of colour can identify with the character.

Marvel hasn't followed up well on her African heritage. They can revisit it all they want but it's never depicted any modern view that involves the modern developments of African societies, only its problems. That's counterproductive in educating readers about Africa and the different women there. Gail Simone did an amazing thing by having Batgirl go to South Africa for spinal surgery, because they are doing that research over there.  That's better than writing South Africa rampant rape culture. I'd rather read about that than get another story about the Africa's continuing problems.

Which black comedian dissed Africa's medical professions on Oprah's show? Tell him he's an idiot!

Quote
A Storm for the ladies? Hahaha, fan-boys rule the core market. Females don’t really buy comics because....? Black women purchase tons of reading publications & could make Storm the “Black Barbie” instead of Nicki Minaj.

What is wrong with having Storm getting more involved in African-American culture? It doesn't have be about the music industry or the fashion. I'd like to read about her intergration into American culture and how much she prefers it because she's obviously not going to move back to the Serengeti.

Also, please name several African based fashion publications you do know of. What value do you think they have for black women in the U.S.A. I've seen at least three and none of them claim to be widely sold in America.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 13, 2013, 03:09:22 pm
Too Black?

Storm should embrace her African heritage for one reason & one reason only… So women & women of colour can identify with the character.


Marvel hasn't followed up well on her African heritage. They can revisit it all they want but it's never depicted any modern view that involves the modern developments of African societies, only its problems. That's counterproductive in educating readers about Africa and the different women there. Gail Simone did an amazing thing by having Batgirl go to South Africa for spinal surgery, because they are doing that research over there.  That's better than writing South Africa rampant rape culture. I'd rather read about that than get another story about the Africa's continuing problems.

Which black comedian dissed Africa's medical professions on Oprah's show? Tell him he's an idiot!

Quote
A Storm for the ladies? Hahaha, fan-boys rule the core market. Females don’t really buy comics because....? Black women purchase tons of reading publications & could make Storm the “Black Barbie” instead of Nicki Minaj.


What is wrong with having Storm getting more involved in African-American culture? It doesn't have be about the music industry or the fashion. I'd like to read about her intergration into American culture and how much she prefers it because she's obviously not going to move back to the Serengeti.

Also, please name several African based fashion publications you do know of. What value do you think they have for black women in the U.S.A. I've seen at least three and none of them claim to be widely sold in America.



Ha ha, I wouldn’t depict the looting of Africa either. She’s a fictional character & not confined to the realities of our world. She’s an illustrated image in a comic book story-line. You wanna know where to find other illustrated images of women?  That’s right, in women’s magazines.  I think, Her character  needs more "mass appeal" & less "brass appeal."


I know chicks with stacks of magazines. Is Storm being represented in any of them? Why not? She could be.  Women’s publications genuinely have illustrated images.


 
FLOTUS as a Superwoman by the great Frank Cho

 
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check out the difference in how women are drawn in comics vs. women's magazines. all the images are illustrated

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a8W591ABB0A/Tm_mFOdeIlI/AAAAAAAADZY/U3jeROAdFns/s400/Dior_ddownton_blog_v_11feb11_dd_b.jpg)                    ](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qbPQL1U_yy0/TC-S4zQ2IvI/AAAAAAAABjo/RL_EsnL5Ia0/s400/lovisa5.jpg[img])(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qbPQL1U_yy0/TA0vluW5DdI/AAAAAAAABck/6pAMPPcSzyk/s400/Downton1.JPG)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B3PAyl9vqFo/Ttbgj5MxsHI/AAAAAAAABus/37_qOzfkDVY/s400/Brooklit-Fashion%2BIllustraton-New%2BYears-Cards-Brooke%2BHagel.jpg)

Storm for the ladies?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZQiuTmUlQ5I/S4yp70jX5KI/AAAAAAAAAz8/zEvlK5rE3uY/s400/Brooke+Hagel-fashion+Illustrator-steven+broadway-chanel-sketch.jpg)



Shuri?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qbPQL1U_yy0/TKPLIhkZT-I/AAAAAAAABz8/7NwnjQV4j58/s400/image.php.jpg) 


 Bottom-line, Storm & many other female comic book characters could be for women. the imagery & writting would need to adjust to feminine sensibilities.             
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on February 13, 2013, 04:33:25 pm
I think it's pathetic how much Marvel goes out of their way to ignore Storm's African-American culture. Her father was a black American and she's LIVING in New York, where she was born. You're telling me that she wouldn't have gone out of her way to learn more about her father's life? Yeah, right.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Metro on February 14, 2013, 06:55:03 am

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 14, 2013, 10:42:46 am

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.

Reg has done far more and far better with Storm than the X-Office has done with her since forever.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Blanks on February 14, 2013, 11:42:57 am

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.

I had always hoped that from introducing her extended family, we would have gotten Spyke from X-Men Evolution brought into the comics, much like how they pushed X-23. But I guess with the X offices "no-positive-good-black-male" rule, that'll never happen.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on February 14, 2013, 02:14:43 pm

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.

Reg has done far more and far better with Storm than the X-Office has done with her since forever.

Yes, the greatest things from Hudlin's tenure on the "Black Panther" book was the marriage between Storm and Black Panther and the Black Panther animated comic.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 15, 2013, 11:54:31 pm
The only time Storm is black is to that other part of her fans base is black history month, so they can try to claim she is the best black hero, then after that it's totally ignored.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 17, 2013, 06:22:14 pm
The only time Storm is black is to that other part of her fans base is black history month, so they can try to claim she is the best black hero, then after that it's totally ignored.

So it's the warped comic book version of "I'm not racist, I have a black best friend!"?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 18, 2013, 06:38:35 pm

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.

Reg has done far more and far better with Storm than the X-Office has done with her since forever.

Yes, the greatest things from Hudlin's tenure on the "Black Panther" book was the marriage between Storm and Black Panther and the Black Panther animated comic.

I'm going to add to that list? TChaka FINALLY defeating Captain America, and TChalla FINALLY doing the same. In every single previous instance except for the instance under CJP's pen? Captain America defeated TChalla. Handily. But CJP had TChaka and Steve fight to a draw physically, even though TChaka had actually tactically outmanuevered Steve from the start and never would've lost regardless, and Roy Thomas wrote Cap beating TChalla. But not the usual one sided whoopin that TChalla received at the hands of White male superheroes.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 18, 2013, 06:40:37 pm

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.

Reg has done far more and far better with Storm than the X-Office has done with her since forever.

Yes, the greatest things from Hudlin's tenure on the "Black Panther" book was the marriage between Storm and Black Panther and the Black Panther animated comic.




I'm going to add to that list? TChaka FINALLY defeating Captain America, and TChalla FINALLY doing the same. In every single previous instance except for the instance under CJP's pen? Captain America defeated TChalla. Handily. But CJP had TChaka and Steve fight to a draw physically, even though TChaka had actually tactically outmanuevered Steve from the start and never would've lost regardless, and Roy Thomas wrote Cap beating TChalla. But not the usual one sided whoopin that TChalla received at the hands of White male superheroes.




The only time Storm is black is to that other part of her fans base is black history month, so they can try to claim she is the best black hero, then after that it's totally ignored.

So it's the warped comic book version of "I'm not racist, I have a black best friend!"?

Exactly right
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 20, 2013, 05:20:46 pm
This person pretty much breaks down why Storm fans are full of Sh*t. All the crap they gave Mr. Hudlin and her portrayals with CC, in my opinion CC Storm while "iconic"...Hudlin never pulled the continuous crap he did.

Quote
During his initial run, Storm was kidnapped by an evil ruler (one of them was Doom) determined to "make her his queen" at least twice (I want to say more, but I can only name two). Each time she spent pages talking about how tempted she was because he was so strong and powerful and manly and wanted her, only to choose otherwise at the very last second because oops the X-Men showed up to save her. When he came back again in the 90s, the exact same thing happened, only this time he was a creepy space murderer instead of a creepy Earth dictator. As soon as a man kidnaps her, Claremont's Storm stops talking about the earth mother and how violence is wrong and is all about finding a master, blood on his hands or otherwise. Go Storm! Way to embody strong female independence! Also, "there was never any question of her using her powers only to defend or evade"? Her whole schtick at the beginning was that she never want to hurt anyone and wouldn't use lightning in case it did. The one time she killed someone (and it didn't take), it was so traumatic for her it shattered her personality and her relationships. Ever see that happen to Cyclops?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 20, 2013, 09:02:22 pm
This person pretty much breaks down why Storm fans are full of Sh*t. All the crap they gave Mr. Hudlin and her portrayals with CC, in my opinion CC Storm while "iconic"...Hudlin never pulled the continuous crap he did.

Quote
During his initial run, Storm was kidnapped by an evil ruler (one of them was Doom) determined to "make her his queen" at least twice (I want to say more, but I can only name two). Each time she spent pages talking about how tempted she was because he was so strong and powerful and manly and wanted her, only to choose otherwise at the very last second because oops the X-Men showed up to save her. When he came back again in the 90s, the exact same thing happened, only this time he was a creepy space murderer instead of a creepy Earth dictator. As soon as a man kidnaps her, Claremont's Storm stops talking about the earth mother and how violence is wrong and is all about finding a master, blood on his hands or otherwise. Go Storm! Way to embody strong female independence! Also, "there was never any question of her using her powers only to defend or evade"? Her whole schtick at the beginning was that she never want to hurt anyone and wouldn't use lightning in case it did. The one time she killed someone (and it didn't take), it was so traumatic for her it shattered her personality and her relationships. Ever see that happen to Cyclops?



Was this person talking about this pathetic crap, and how Storm fans were clamoring over it?

(http://i.imgur.com/f3hBFKy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/G9mIao5.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Mq0eJsG.jpg)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 20, 2013, 09:11:31 pm
khan--that's when he go back in the 90's. He did it with Doom and several others. It's just funny, because so of the stuff he wrote Storm doing was cringe worthy. Hudlin never wrote her in any situation that badly.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 20, 2013, 09:17:35 pm
khan--that's when he go back in the 90's. He did it with Doom and several others. It's just funny, because so of the stuff he wrote Storm doing was cringe worthy. Hudlin never wrote her in any situation that badly.

But...but...BUT! I thought Claremont is like..."The Jesus Writer of the X-Ladies"?

On a more serious note, while I felt dirty posting those scans, I need to find scans of Doom and those others you mentioned. To add to my "Storm Fans are full of crap!" ammo stockpile.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 22, 2013, 11:44:10 am
Doom, Arkon and there is another besides Khan, then you have Thor beating her with a Kiss. GTFOH talking about strong female. It's b.s. while Mr. Hudlin wasn't perfect, he never wrote her like this. That's why all the complaints about Doomwar rang hollow to me when it came to Storm, that's vintage CC, Maberry was using. Lol


How about Brian Wood?
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/ultxm2011023_dc11_lr_0001.jpg)
Say what? Smh
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 22, 2013, 02:18:17 pm
Beautiful artwork by Greg Land! :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 22, 2013, 03:28:42 pm
Greg Land is nice.
I dig the colour-scheme… “stormfront?”
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 22, 2013, 03:38:01 pm
… “stormfront?”



Please don't bring that bullsh it here at HEF.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 22, 2013, 03:38:53 pm
Doom, Arkon and there is another besides Khan, then you have Thor beating her with a Kiss. GTFOH talking about strong female. It's b.s. while Mr. Hudlin wasn't perfect, he never wrote her like this. That's why all the complaints about Doomwar rang hollow to me when it came to Storm, that's vintage CC, Maberry was using. Lol

When I think "strong female", I think Valkyrie, NOT Storm.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 22, 2013, 03:51:34 pm
When I think "strong female", I think Valkyrie, NOT Storm.





Yeah, Valkyrie is, like... that Nordic, warrior butch-type of  "strong female".(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/susel.gif)

Storm is more model-esque.  She certainly was depicted that way in the Claremont-byrne days of 'The Uncanny X-Men' years.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 22, 2013, 03:53:33 pm
… “stormfront?”



Please don't bring that bullsh it here at HEF.
Ask yourself who approved that nonsense during Black History month.

Smh,
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 22, 2013, 04:05:08 pm
When I think "strong female", I think Valkyrie, NOT Storm.





Yeah, Valkyrie is, like... that Nordic, warrior butch-type of  "strong female".([url]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/susel.gif[/url])

Storm is more model-esque.  She certainly was depicted that way in the Claremont-byrne days of 'The Uncanny X-Men' years.


Almost tempted to post Valkyrie's hilarious "Looney Tunes Mallet Strike" on Storm!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 22, 2013, 04:10:11 pm
… “stormfront?”



Please don't bring that bullsh it here at HEF.


???? 
No BS. I’m sucker-free, BS free, just plain free...

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 22, 2013, 04:49:59 pm
… “stormfront?”




Please don't bring that bullsh it here at HEF.
Ask yourself who approved that nonsense during Black History month.

Smh,





What're you talkin' about?(http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/6.gif)?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 22, 2013, 05:31:12 pm
… “stormfront?”




Please don't bring that bullsh it here at HEF.
Ask yourself who approved that nonsense during Black History month.

Smh,





What're you talkin' about?([url]http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/6.gif[/url])?


Did Look at that cover? It says Stormfront. And it's kinda problematic. That's why apeabyss said that.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 22, 2013, 06:00:28 pm
… “stormfront?”




Please don't bring that bullsh it here at HEF.
Ask yourself who approved that nonsense during Black History month.

Smh,





What're you talkin' about?([url]http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/6.gif[/url])?


Did Look at that cover? It says Stormfront. And it's kinda problematic. That's why apeabyss said that.



I was referring to the N.W.O. Nubian World Order… lol (kidding) 

Thanks 7… your blades are sharp! Really, it’s all good. I like the “Andy Warhol” -type of cover. How long will the “Storm-FRONT” last?

Battle
Storm-Front & BS?  Please, elaborate?
???? 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 22, 2013, 06:13:11 pm
I was referring to the N.W.O. Nubian World Order… lol (kidding) 

Thanks 7… your blades are sharp! Really, it’s all good. I like the “Andy Warhol” -type of cover. How long will the “Storm-FRONT” last?

Battle
Storm-Front & BS?  Please, elaborate?
????



Wow. :o
How did I miss that?! :o

My apologies, APEXABYSS! ;D

I didn't see nor notice the text flushed to the left side of that comicbook cover!

To be honest, that 'slick' kind of crap on that cover is even more pervasive.  stormfront is the name of a  white supremacist website.
I thought you were being... oh, never mind. :-[ 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on February 22, 2013, 06:34:22 pm
^ha ha, no worries.

stormfront? white supremacist? okay, i'm back on the N.W.O.!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 22, 2013, 08:25:41 pm
I saw it and my first reaction was to laugh. That ish is crazy to me. Though not everyone has the same reaction. Aware folks do though
Abyss, no clue.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on February 22, 2013, 08:26:40 pm
The art is beautiful, but the whole thing is so silly. That look would work for Storm if she was...say, 25. But she's in her early 30s, easily. I had a horrible, HORRIBLE breakup last year, and this is the equivalent of going back to my cherry red Afro and multiple body piercings from 15+ years ago. This isn't liberation - it's regression.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 22, 2013, 10:27:02 pm
The art is beautiful, but the whole thing is so silly. That look would work for Storm if she was...say, 25. But she's in her early 30s, easily. I had a horrible, HORRIBLE breakup last year, and this is the equivalent of going back to my cherry red Afro and multiple body piercings from 15+ years ago. This isn't liberation - it's regression.

Co-signed like a mug!

I've been saying this for years. The fact that so many X-fans see the mohawk as a sign of liberation, instead of (what is REALLY is) a version of "balling up in the fetal position and sucking your thumb when you hit a rough patch", is so damn telling. It's like they themselves don't know what the hell "growing up" is.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 23, 2013, 04:53:20 am
Well; that picture is of Ultimate Storm who is probably only 20 to 22 years old.

But I don't think mainstream Storm is thirty yet.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on February 23, 2013, 06:32:54 am
Well both Storms have that haircut now and they both look a hot mess. A stupid haircut is not character growth.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 23, 2013, 07:19:48 am
Well both Storms have that haircut now and they both look a hot mess. A stupid haircut is not character growth.

For Storm fans, who swallow up damn near every handful of pathetic bread crumbs they're thrown by the X-writers, tired mohawks and a reject Grace Jones hair cuts are indeed character growth to them. All the while they completely disregard and forget how their much hated Hudlin introduced her grandparents and per long lost maternal African tribeswomen.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: panther0123 on February 25, 2013, 04:02:55 am
The "New" Mohawked Storm reminds me of "Britney Spears" head shaving meltdown. So this, to me, is a move along folks nothing to see here moment.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 25, 2013, 02:37:31 pm
The "New" Mohawked Storm reminds me of "Britney Spears" head shaving meltdown. So this, to me, is a move along folks nothing to see here moment.

The writer said that is sort of the reason.  The last time this happened was after a major upheaval in her life.  Now she has experienced another upheaval and this is her response again.

Maybe her form of '"falling off the wagon."
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 25, 2013, 03:14:51 pm
The "New" Mohawked Storm reminds me of "Britney Spears" head shaving meltdown. So this, to me, is a move along folks nothing to see here moment.

The writer said that is sort of the reason.  The last time this happened was after a major upheaval in her life.  Now she has experienced another upheaval and this is her response again.

Maybe her form of '"falling off the wagon."

When you're an ego maniac with a literal God Complex, you tend to take it far worse than others, when you fail.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on February 25, 2013, 04:07:40 pm
Bottom-line, Storm & many other female comic book characters could be for women. the imagery & writting would need to adjust to feminine sensibilities.             

Hopefully the All-Female X-Men book will appeal to more female readers.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on February 25, 2013, 04:10:41 pm

Reg's scene where she meets her grandparents leading up to the wedding is one of my favorite moments in Marvel comics all-time.

I had always hoped that from introducing her extended family, we would have gotten Spyke from X-Men Evolution brought into the comics, much like how they pushed X-23. But I guess with the X offices "no-positive-good-black-male" rule, that'll never happen.

I never liked Spike. I thought he was just an adaption of Marrow for the cartoons.

Her American grandparents would be an interesting connection to her African-American roots and another reason why I think Storm should be rewritten as a repatriated American citizen.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on February 25, 2013, 04:12:49 pm
Well; that picture is of Ultimate Storm who is probably only 20 to 22 years old.

But I don't think mainstream Storm is thirty yet.

She should already be in her late thirties which is another reason why I think they should write that she suddenly learns she is barren after her marriage ended.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on February 25, 2013, 04:17:00 pm
It's really funny how her new X-Force costume has a long skirt. That's what I drew when I tried redesigning the tired caped costumes.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on February 26, 2013, 07:50:30 am
Well; that picture is of Ultimate Storm who is probably only 20 to 22 years old.

But I don't think mainstream Storm is thirty yet.

She should already be in her late thirties which is another reason why I think they should write that she suddenly learns she is barren after her marriage ended.

They are not going to age them like that--iirc, Storm is like 28-30 and T'challa 30-33.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on February 26, 2013, 08:56:14 am
When I see how long these Storm threads run (40+ pages), I can't help but think that Marvel is blowing it big time to say the least.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: TripleX on February 26, 2013, 08:18:27 pm
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2hpps43.jpg)

Hold up, wait a minute, y'all don't like Mohawk Storm? That's my favorite version of the character, it's when I fell in love with her. The scene where she's wearing the miniskirt, fishnets and garter belt in Uncanny 180 was the comic book equivalent of Apollonia in Purple Rain. It's an image that's indelibly stamped on my memories of childhood.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/nxm612.jpg)

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ee97yf.jpg)

(http://i53.tinypic.com/dbimo5.jpg)

I dig that she's back and I'll be all over that Brian Wood X-Men series when it debuts.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/10ql1lz.jpg)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on February 26, 2013, 09:02:13 pm

They are not going to age them like that--iirc, Storm is like 28-30 and T'challa 30-33.

That's up to them. Either way, I still think it would make a significant character development.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on February 26, 2013, 10:01:29 pm
Hold up, wait a minute, y'all don't like Mohawk Storm? That's my favorite version of the character, it's when I fell in love with her. The scene where she's wearing the miniskirt, fishnets and garter belt in Uncanny 180 was the comic book equivalent of Apollonia in Purple Rain. It's an image that's indelibly stamped on my memories of childhood.

Yeah, but that's old news. What, is Janet Jackson going to start rocking a key on her earring again? That look was Storm's liberation from...whatever the hell she was liberating herself from. That was then. It says a lot that Storm's fans like her stuck in the past.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: TripleX on February 26, 2013, 11:08:33 pm
Hold up, wait a minute, y'all don't like Mohawk Storm? That's my favorite version of the character, it's when I fell in love with her. The scene where she's wearing the miniskirt, fishnets and garter belt in Uncanny 180 was the comic book equivalent of Apollonia in Purple Rain. It's an image that's indelibly stamped on my memories of childhood.

Yeah, but that's old news. What, is Janet Jackson going to start rocking a key on her earring again? That look was Storm's liberation from...whatever the hell she was liberating herself from. That was then. It says a lot that Storm's fans like her stuck in the past.

It was her liberation from being an unattainable goddess. It brought her down to earth while making her unafraid of her powers affecting the climate around her or their ability to kill an opponent. She had been reverent of all life...instead of enjoying her own. Her new found freedom made her a stronger leader, as well as more ruthless; but it also made her worldly, sexy and cool.  Before she was like a visiting dignitary supermodel from a regal African nation. That's also what she became eventually after ditching the mohawk.

It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style. She's a comic book character on a sliding chronological scale, that's not fixed in time.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 26, 2013, 11:54:16 pm
It was her liberation from being an unattainable goddess. It brought her down to earth while making her unafraid of her powers affecting the climate around her or their ability to kill an opponent. She had been reverent of all life...instead of enjoying her own. Her new found freedom made her a stronger leader, as well as more ruthless; but it also made her worldly, sexy and cool.  Before she was like a visiting dignitary supermodel from a regal African nation. That's also what she became eventually after ditching the mohawk.

It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style. She's a comic book character on a sliding chronological scale, that's not fixed in time.






That's deep!(http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/52.gif)

By the way, love those original pages from X-Men! :)

Do you own those pages?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 27, 2013, 04:54:36 am
Hold up, wait a minute, y'all don't like Mohawk Storm? That's my favorite version of the character, it's when I fell in love with her. The scene where she's wearing the miniskirt, fishnets and garter belt in Uncanny 180 was the comic book equivalent of Apollonia in Purple Rain. It's an image that's indelibly stamped on my memories of childhood.

Yeah, but that's old news. What, is Janet Jackson going to start rocking a key on her earring again? That look was Storm's liberation from...whatever the hell she was liberating herself from. That was then. It says a lot that Storm's fans like her stuck in the past.

It was her liberation from being an unattainable goddess. It brought her down to earth while making her unafraid of her powers affecting the climate around her or their ability to kill an opponent. She had been reverent of all life...instead of enjoying her own. Her new found freedom made her a stronger leader, as well as more ruthless; but it also made her worldly, sexy and cool.  Before she was like a visiting dignitary supermodel from a regal African nation. That's also what she became eventually after ditching the mohawk.

It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style. She's a comic book character on a sliding chronological scale, that's not fixed in time.

Ugh, that whole "goddess" act. That's always rubbed me wrong about Storm. A known thief as a youth who knowingly goes out and preys on the superstitious beliefs of a bunch of poor and uneducated tribespeople, and cons them into thinking that she is an actual "goddess". Using her charisma in the same fashion that dictators do. Besides the time where she was the Queen of Wakanda, that high position of "Goddess Mode" seems to be the only time she gives a crap about Africans. Even with her "Mohawk Evolution" which helped define her more, she still comes across as an ego maniac who thinks that she's an actual goddess.  (Instead of a flatout bum, who has nothing, like Logan.) Although, she was quick to play the "I'm just like you! I'm humble! I've struggled too!" poverty card when she fought Nightshade, her actions before and after that contradict this. She just comes off as a con-artist from multiple angles.

I mean look at "What-if vol.2" (#79) where it's a "What would this hero actually do in a given hypothetical scenario?" issue. When asked "What if Storm gets the Phoenix Force?", it's shown that her very first action was to physically take over and rule the entire damn world (and if the story had mentioned it, probably the entire universe). Which is a bad idea, when you look at how "well" of a leader she's been in the past.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on February 27, 2013, 06:32:52 am
It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style.

Could've fooled me. The whole thing reeks of mid-life crisis.

Ugh, that whole "goddess" act. That's always rubbed me wrong about Storm. A known thief as a youth who knowingly goes out and preys on the superstitious beliefs of a bunch of poor and uneducated tribespeople, and cons them into thinking that she is an actual "goddess". Using her charisma in the same fashion that dictators do.

Storm actually DID think she was a goddess, and so did everybody else. It was Professor X who told her she was a mutant. When he did, she dropped the whole shtick and went with the X-Men. She didn't con anybody.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 27, 2013, 07:11:33 am
It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style.

Could've fooled me. The whole thing reeks of mid-life crisis.

Ugh, that whole "goddess" act. That's always rubbed me wrong about Storm. A known thief as a youth who knowingly goes out and preys on the superstitious beliefs of a bunch of poor and uneducated tribespeople, and cons them into thinking that she is an actual "goddess". Using her charisma in the same fashion that dictators do.

Storm actually DID think she was a goddess, and so did everybody else. It was Professor X who told her she was a mutant. When he did, she dropped the whole shtick and went with the X-Men. She didn't con anybody.

But she knew of her human parents, so why would she think she was an immortal goddess? And the mohawk doesn't reek of "mid-life crisis", it reeks of writers trying to promote "outdated nostalgia."
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on February 27, 2013, 07:42:50 am
But she knew of her human parents, so why would she think she was an immortal goddess?

Storm was about 13 when she reached Kenya, and a bunch of people started bowing to her because she could make it rain and called her a goddess. What the f*ck else would she think she was?

A "con" suggests that Storm actually knew she was a mutant and lied to everybody. Being mistaken does not make a person a con artist. When Storm learned the truth, she dropped the act.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 27, 2013, 07:57:51 am
"...the mohawk doesn't reek of "mid-life crisis", it reeks of writers trying to promote "outdated nostalgia."





...or white racist nationality.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on February 27, 2013, 08:08:33 am
But she knew of her human parents, so why would she think she was an immortal goddess?

Storm was about 13 when she reached Kenya, and a bunch of people started bowing to her because she could make it rain and called her a goddess. What the f*ck else would she think she was?

A "con" suggests that Storm actually knew she was a mutant and lied to everybody. Being mistaken does not make a person a con artist. When Storm learned the truth, she dropped the act.

The fact that she watched her human parents die under circumstances that don't scream "god-like", would have been proof enough for most individuals. Even as a child who went through something traumatic, you'd have to know that things don't add up, when you're told "you're a goddess" but not your parents who died pretty easily in a plane crash. Given the fact that she was also raised to cheat and steal, and did so not only for survival, but for sport (deliberately snagging the gemstone containing the the essence of Candra, anyone?), I wouldn't put it past her.

And it also doesn't help grown adult Storm that she still refers to herself as a goddess. Even in jest, that just reeks of arrogance.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: TripleX on February 27, 2013, 09:50:14 am
It was her liberation from being an unattainable goddess. It brought her down to earth while making her unafraid of her powers affecting the climate around her or their ability to kill an opponent. She had been reverent of all life...instead of enjoying her own. Her new found freedom made her a stronger leader, as well as more ruthless; but it also made her worldly, sexy and cool.  Before she was like a visiting dignitary supermodel from a regal African nation. That's also what she became eventually after ditching the mohawk.

It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style. She's a comic book character on a sliding chronological scale, that's not fixed in time.






That's deep!([url]http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/52.gif[/url])

By the way, love those original pages from X-Men! :)

Do you own those pages?


Thanks! Nope, I wish I did.  Google is a mutha%#@%* :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: TripleX on February 27, 2013, 09:53:39 am
It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style.

Could've fooled me. The whole thing reeks of mid-life crisis.

The thing is, she's not a trill person. She doesn't have a "mid-life".
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mr. Peejay on February 27, 2013, 10:32:45 am
"...the mohawk doesn't reek of "mid-life crisis", it reeks of writers trying to promote "outdated nostalgia."





...or white racist nationality.
Only in the contemporary setting does a mohawk "belong" to white people. The name itself speaks of the people that wore it well before Hitler was born (same with the swastika and the Star of David, for that matter)
Hold up, wait a minute, y'all don't like Mohawk Storm? That's my favorite version of the character, it's when I fell in love with her. The scene where she's wearing the miniskirt, fishnets and garter belt in Uncanny 180 was the comic book equivalent of Apollonia in Purple Rain. It's an image that's indelibly stamped on my memories of childhood.

Yeah, but that's old news. What, is Janet Jackson going to start rocking a key on her earring again? That look was Storm's liberation from...whatever the hell she was liberating herself from. That was then. It says a lot that Storm's fans like her stuck in the past.

It was her liberation from being an unattainable goddess. It brought her down to earth while making her unafraid of her powers affecting the climate around her or their ability to kill an opponent. She had been reverent of all life...instead of enjoying her own. Her new found freedom made her a stronger leader, as well as more ruthless; but it also made her worldly, sexy and cool.  Before she was like a visiting dignitary supermodel from a regal African nation. That's also what she became eventually after ditching the mohawk.

It's not like she's middle aged and desperately trying to recapture her youth by going back to an old style. She's a comic book character on a sliding chronological scale, that's not fixed in time.

And now her "liberation" from her marriage (and reign, which is truly as close to Goddess as she can get without magic, Mutant powers, or trickery) has her BACK in the same depression trying to crawl out. After setting X-Men: The End, they have to go this way (Loganwise).  XXX, I am with you so far!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on February 27, 2013, 10:42:03 am
But she knew of her human parents, so why would she think she was an immortal goddess?

Storm was about 13 when she reached Kenya, and a bunch of people started bowing to her because she could make it rain and called her a goddess. What the f*ck else would she think she was?

A "con" suggests that Storm actually knew she was a mutant and lied to everybody. Being mistaken does not make a person a con artist. When Storm learned the truth, she dropped the act.

The fact that she watched her human parents die under circumstances that don't scream "god-like", would have been proof enough for most individuals. Even as a child who went through something traumatic, you'd have to know that things don't add up, when you're told "you're a goddess" but not your parents who died pretty easily in a plane crash. Given the fact that she was also raised to cheat and steal, and did so not only for survival, but for sport (deliberately snagging the gemstone containing the the essence of Candra, anyone?), I wouldn't put it past her.

And it also doesn't help grown adult Storm that she still refers to herself as a goddess. Even in jest, that just reeks of arrogance.

Whelp! This conversation is utterly pointless...moving  on.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on February 27, 2013, 03:00:29 pm
Only in the contemporary setting does a mohawk "belong" to white people. The name itself speaks of the people that wore it well before Hitler was born (same with the swastika and the Star of David, for that matter)



That comicbook cover with the 'Stormfront' heading with Storm cutting her hair into a mohawk just speaks volumes.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2013, 04:15:35 pm

But she knew of her human parents, so why would she think she was an immortal goddess?

Actually, even in the real world some religions believe the divine can have human parents.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 04, 2013, 12:58:03 pm
But she knew of her human parents, so why would she think she was an immortal goddess?

Storm was about 13 when she reached Kenya, and a bunch of people started bowing to her because she could make it rain and called her a goddess. What the f*ck else would she think she was?

A "con" suggests that Storm actually knew she was a mutant and lied to everybody. Being mistaken does not make a person a con artist. When Storm learned the truth, she dropped the act.

The fact that she watched her human parents die under circumstances that don't scream "god-like", would have been proof enough for most individuals. Even as a child who went through something traumatic, you'd have to know that things don't add up, when you're told "you're a goddess" but not your parents who died pretty easily in a plane crash. Given the fact that she was also raised to cheat and steal, and did so not only for survival, but for sport (deliberately snagging the gemstone containing the the essence of Candra, anyone?), I wouldn't put it past her.

And it also doesn't help grown adult Storm that she still refers to herself as a goddess. Even in jest, that just reeks of arrogance.

Whelp! This conversation is utterly pointless...moving  on.


Classic Jenn phrase. Love you gurl. Miss ya.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Open palm on March 04, 2013, 04:03:05 pm
Yeah, the arguments over Storm's prominence have grown cirrhotic.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on March 04, 2013, 06:24:00 pm
Halle Berry is back and so am I!!!


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2013, 06:00:07 pm
Halle Berry is back and so am I!!!

FLEX!!

Whassup bruh. How ya been?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on March 05, 2013, 07:35:41 pm
Only in the contemporary setting does a mohawk "belong" to white people. The name itself speaks of the people that wore it well before Hitler was born (same with the swastika and the Star of David, for that matter)



That comicbook cover with the 'Stormfront' heading with Storm cutting her hair into a mohawk just speaks volumes.
I agree.
It's not the Mohawk alone--it's the Stormfront and cutting her hair into a Mohawk during Black Hsitory month that is troublesome to me. Even though they don't own that hair style--the Stormfront thing gives it another meaning,

excusing it away doesnt change that
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on March 05, 2013, 08:15:14 pm
Wassup Supreme... I see you on the videos killing cats with your ninja self! ;D


I moved a little up north and I'm filming some workouts of my own in the backyard so hopefully I can keep up with your workout and at least make second string or something... Put me in coach!


It is sad what they did to Hudlin's work with the marriage but it is all good because it is best that if Marvel does not have the staff of persons capable of sustaining a black power couple then they should just move on.


I am glad that Halle is back so I will go see the new X-men movie to support my favorite actress.


Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on March 05, 2013, 10:44:53 pm
Wassup Supreme... I see you on the videos killing cats with your ninja self! ;D


I moved a little up north and I'm filming some workouts of my own in the backyard so hopefully I can keep up with your workout and at least make second string or something... Put me in coach!





Heh. :)
Supreme is literally a 'lethal weapon'.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Princesa on March 06, 2013, 08:55:07 am
So now we're threatened with more Halle ::)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: JRCarter on March 06, 2013, 09:15:40 am
I personally never would have cast Halle as Storm in the first place.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on March 06, 2013, 09:22:34 am
I personally never would have cast Halle as Storm in the first place.




Agreed.

Did anyone see that deleted scene from the movie, "X-Men" where Storm speaks in a very strange accent? ;D
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on March 06, 2013, 01:52:47 pm

Agreed.

Did anyone see that deleted scene from the movie, "X-Men" where Storm speaks in a very strange accent? ;D
You mean bad acting?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on March 06, 2013, 02:21:43 pm

Agreed.

Did anyone see that deleted scene from the movie, "X-Men" where Storm speaks in a very strange accent? ;D
You mean bad acting?

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Battle on March 06, 2013, 02:43:54 pm
You mean bad acting?




I woudn't say that... :-[

Ms. Berry is a consumate professional... and she looks good! :)

I believe Halle Berry's interpretation of Storm was... interesting considering that the way she spoke in that deleted clip was very different from all of the other dialogue in the rest of the movie.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on March 06, 2013, 06:32:31 pm
Meh, Berry was horrid as Storm.

Stringer doesn't seem to really like the character much either.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on March 06, 2013, 07:10:27 pm
Cross Halle over with the Black Panther movie and she will be talking in tongues in no time!


I mean... Being a "Goddess" and all! ;)


Flex: "HALLE... HALLE... HALLE..."
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on March 06, 2013, 08:27:50 pm
Halle isn't the best actress in the world maybe, but the Xflicks gave her nothing much to work with.

It took 3 movies for her to get a decent wig, for God's sake. If you took all her scenes from the last 2 movies (don't get me started on the first one) and
squeezed them together in a single flim, you would had a decent role.

You put Sanana Latham, Thandie Newton or whoever in that role as it was given to Berry and they are also gonna suck. Or at best be genteel, attractive wallpaper.

And at the time Xmen first came out, Iman was already too old and Angela Basset wanted no part of the role.

Who else were you gonna get back then? They needed a name other than Patrick Stewart.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on March 06, 2013, 08:41:08 pm
I woudn't say that... :-[

Ms. Berry is a consumate professional... and she looks good! :)

I believe Halle Berry's interpretation of Storm was... interesting considering that the way she spoke in that deleted clip was very different from all of the other dialogue in the rest of the movie.
Bad acting it is

Halle isn't the best actress in the world maybe, but the Xflicks gave her nothing much to work with.

It took 3 movies for her to get a decent wig, for God's sake. If you took all her scenes from the last 2 movies (don't get me started on the first one) and
squeezed them together in a single flim, you would had a decent role.

You put Sanana Latham, Thandie Newton or whoever in that role as it was given to Berry and they are also gonna suck. Or at best be genteel, attractive wallpaper.

And at the time Xmen first came out, Iman was already too old and Angela Basset wanted no part of the role.

Who else were you gonna get back then? They needed a name other than Patrick Stewart.
How old was Kerry Washington then but unfortunately I guess she wasnt "big" enough of an actress. The sad thing is the majority of the cast was a bunch of no names so it wouldnt have hurt to take a risk
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: moneyspider on March 06, 2013, 09:15:48 pm
I woudn't say that... :-[

Ms. Berry is a consumate professional... and she looks good! :)

I believe Halle Berry's interpretation of Storm was... interesting considering that the way she spoke in that deleted clip was very different from all of the other dialogue in the rest of the movie.
Bad acting it is

Halle isn't the best actress in the world maybe, but the Xflicks gave her nothing much to work with.

It took 3 movies for her to get a decent wig, for God's sake. If you took all her scenes from the last 2 movies (don't get me started on the first one) and
squeezed them together in a single flim, you would had a decent role.

You put Sanana Latham, Thandie Newton or whoever in that role as it was given to Berry and they are also gonna suck. Or at best be genteel, attractive wallpaper.

And at the time Xmen first came out, Iman was already too old and Angela Basset wanted no part of the role.

Who else were you gonna get back then? They needed a name other than Patrick Stewart.
How old was Kerry Washington then but unfortunately I guess she wasnt "big" enough of an actress. The sad thing is the majority of the cast was a bunch of no names so it wouldnt have hurt to take a risk

Kerry Washington was 23 years old in 2000 (X-Men 1), 26 years old in 2003 (X-Men 2) and 29 years old in 2006 (X-Men 3). Right now Kerry is 36 years old.

Halle is ten years older than Kerry.

Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mr. Peejay on March 07, 2013, 10:32:16 am
I had always thought that N'bushe Wright would have done the best job, as far as an American actress anyway. But it really (should) depend on the Director... A REAL director (and writer, for that matter) could have snapped Halle into place. Since none of the FOX X-Men movies were any good, I don't expect much this time around (i actually dread it).
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on March 07, 2013, 02:10:01 pm
Halle isn't the best actress in the world maybe, but the Xflicks gave her nothing much to work with.

Please. Django Unchained gave Kerry Washington about four spoken lines, and she was magnificent. And this is from somebody who didn't even like KW until "For Colored Girls".

Did anyone see that deleted scene from the movie, "X-Men" where Storm speaks in a very strange accent? ;D

I love how in the 2nd and 3rd movie, she just said "to hell with this" and talked with no accent at all.

I personally never would have cast Halle as Storm in the first place.

I don't understand how her name came up in the topic of conversation.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Emperorjones on March 09, 2013, 06:50:48 am
I had always thought that N'bushe Wright would have done the best job, as far as an American actress anyway. But it really (should) depend on the Director... A REAL director (and writer, for that matter) could have snapped Halle into place. Since none of the FOX X-Men movies were any good, I don't expect much this time around (i actually dread it).

It was always my impression that Storm's lack of development in the X-films wasn't so much an issue of Halle needing to be 'snapped' into place, but more so Singer not really having much development in store for Storm. Halle did balk at that and I remember reading that she was threatening to leave X-Men 3 unless she got a bulked up role. And I have to wonder if she didn't make her concerns heard earlier on as we did get a little more of her in X-Men 2, with her scenes with Nightcrawler too.

I put a lot of this on Singer. I don't think the intention was ever to develop Storm. They wanted her for her looks, her popularity, for the diversity point, but there was no intention-IMO-for Storm to be much more than attractive wallpaper in the X-films.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Blanks on March 09, 2013, 03:15:20 pm
You mean like Storm is in the X-men comics?

Zing!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on March 09, 2013, 08:46:49 pm
You mean like Storm is in the X-men comics?

Zing!


(http://i.imgur.com/rcScy.jpg)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Emperorjones on March 10, 2013, 06:31:54 am
You mean like Storm is in the X-men comics?

Zing!

Ha! Pretty much. Let's see if Halle is rocking a mohawk in the new movie.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 22, 2013, 10:46:09 pm
You mean like Storm is in the X-men comics?

Zing!


([url]http://i.imgur.com/rcScy.jpg[/url])


HAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Maxine Shaw on April 19, 2013, 10:46:52 pm
Soooo...just to clarify, other than being Wolverine's nut bucket, Storm has done absol-f*cking-lutely NOTHING since the annulment, correct? Boy howdy, I have NEVER seen a character fall so far, so fast. And now the Storm "fans" are screaming and whining because they really though they were going to get "goddess Storm" back once she was pulled from the clutches of her evil black husband. I almost feel sorry for those idiots. (Almost.)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Booshman on April 25, 2013, 11:41:55 pm
Soooo...just to clarify, other than being Wolverine's nut bucket, Storm has done absol-f*cking-lutely NOTHING since the annulment, correct? Boy howdy, I have NEVER seen a character fall so far, so fast. And now the Storm "fans" are screaming and whining because they really though they were going to get "goddess Storm" back once she was pulled from the clutches of her evil black husband. I almost feel sorry for those idiots. (Almost.)

Because she's resumed her role as "exotic eye-candy/wallpaper", jobbed out to a nameless villain, had her leadership ability questioned, and other examples of "fail", Storm fans (at this point) are putting all their chips on Wood's upcoming X-men. The all female team in June. They better hope that this Hail Mary Pass connects.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on April 26, 2013, 12:35:45 am
Soooo...just to clarify, other than being Wolverine's nut bucket, Storm has done absol-f*cking-lutely NOTHING since the annulment, correct? Boy howdy, I have NEVER seen a character fall so far, so fast. And now the Storm "fans" are screaming and whining because they really though they were going to get "goddess Storm" back once she was pulled from the clutches of her evil black husband. I almost feel sorry for those idiots. (Almost.)


Because she's resumed her role as "exotic eye-candy/wallpaper", jobbed out to a nameless villain, had her leadership ability questioned, and other examples of "fail", Storm fans (at this point) are putting all their chips on Wood's upcoming X-men. The all female team in June. They better hope that this Hail Mary Pass connects.


The Perfect Storm
All female team? Good, this could be Disney’s opportunity to tap into their female market. The marvel/disney combo would not be complete without redesigning marvel characters with Disney-style imagery.

Image the same ladies as X-men. The girls would eat it up. Fan-boys would too. A Disney animated X-men film?  Spiderman?

i'm impressed & surprised.


(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33800000/Disney-Princess-disney-princess-33854150-500-500.jpg)      (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz9m0vm0cM1r6jtjao1_500.jpg)

Have you been to the Disney Store?

(http://cdn.s7.disneystore.com/is/image/DisneyShopping/6452060182877?$yeti3UPList$)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: BmoreAkuma on April 26, 2013, 03:55:45 am
did they and they failed miserably
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: APEXABYSS on April 28, 2013, 07:16:08 am
“…just my imagination…runnin’ away with me…” --The Temptations

Maybe I misinterpreted…
Point is- an all female team could create the momentum for Disney to utilize Marvel characters. How many more princess movies can they make?

C’mon, seriously, picture a Disney/Marvel animated film (with Marvel characters & stories) similar to “The Incredibles.” 
Disney’s “Tinker bell” already has her own all female team

Disney Fairies Films - The Mythical Island (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ofeFYukb-M#ws)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: sinjection1 on April 28, 2013, 04:45:16 pm
Soooo...just to clarify, other than being Wolverine's nut bucket, Storm has done absol-f*cking-lutely NOTHING since the annulment, correct? Boy howdy, I have NEVER seen a character fall so far, so fast. And now the Storm "fans" are screaming and whining because they really though they were going to get "goddess Storm" back once she was pulled from the clutches of her evil black husband. I almost feel sorry for those idiots. (Almost.)

  :)  Did my eyeballs much good to read such a precise account of the case. The x-fan deserves no sympathy. I suspect many of them are ecstatic with Ororo's current circumstance.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on May 08, 2013, 12:24:24 pm
Soooo...just to clarify, other than being Wolverine's nut bucket, Storm has done absol-f*cking-lutely NOTHING since the annulment, correct? Boy howdy, I have NEVER seen a character fall so far, so fast. And now the Storm "fans" are screaming and whining because they really though they were going to get "goddess Storm" back once she was pulled from the clutches of her evil black husband. I almost feel sorry for those idiots. (Almost.)

This is basically it. Don't feel one drop of sympathy for them either. In the end, they will look back and wish that they supported the marriage. These people would rather have a headmistress as opposed to a freaking queen of the most advanced nation of earth. Why, because T'challa is black and not like her past white lovers.

I don't plan on begging for their forbidden fruit fetish-mistress. It's gold to see them in shock at what people who had their eyes open already knew was going to happen. I said it would go down like that.

Look at Unncany X-force dropping out of the top 100. Smh.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on May 08, 2013, 12:32:12 pm
UXM deserves to be out of the top 100. 

Outside of Puck, that book sucks.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on May 08, 2013, 12:38:32 pm
It does. But she didn't have to be in that book. She could have been starring in Uncanny Avengers and supporting cast in New Avengers. But she is not allowed to be used outside the X-office. What kind of crap is that?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 08, 2013, 04:00:45 pm
It does. But she didn't have to be in that book. She could have been starring in Uncanny Avengers and supporting cast in New Avengers. But she is not allowed to be used outside the X-office. What kind of crap is that?

Storm can never be on the same team with Thor. 
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on May 08, 2013, 05:08:40 pm
Marvel Adventures Avengers? Yes she can--or don't use Thor.
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090208213960/marveldatabase/images/3/3d/Marvel_Adventures_The_Avengers_Vol_1_31.jpg)

You can do it--it just takes being creative. Currently all Storm ever does is a lightning bolt.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 09, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Marvel Adventures Avengers? Yes she can--or don't use Thor.
([url]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090208213960/marveldatabase/images/3/3d/Marvel_Adventures_The_Avengers_Vol_1_31.jpg[/url])

You can do it--it just takes being creative. Currently all Storm ever does is a lightning bolt.


Anything Storm can do, Thor can do better.

Yes, they could have Storm rather than Thor, but it wouldn't fit the stories they were telling.  Besides, Thor is a more interesting than Storm.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on May 09, 2013, 04:31:48 pm
Marvel Adventures Avengers? Yes she can--or don't use Thor.
([url]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090208213960/marveldatabase/images/3/3d/Marvel_Adventures_The_Avengers_Vol_1_31.jpg[/url])

You can do it--it just takes being creative. Currently all Storm ever does is a lightning bolt.


Anything Storm can do, Thor can do better.

Yes, they could have Storm rather than Thor, but it wouldn't fit the stories they were telling.  Besides, Thor is a more interesting than Storm.


I agree with you on that. That Thor is more interesting. But Reminder said he wants to use Storm and was denied. Which was the point I was making. I'm sure Reminder was more then happy with Thor...which brings some Thor fans to his book.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 10, 2013, 04:08:11 am
But remember the number one reason that Storm should not be on the Avengers is Captain America.

BP is one of Steve's best friends;  no way he disses T'challa by bringing the Ex onto their team.  Steve wants T'challa with him on the Avengers.  Inviting Storm would be headache for his friend, both personally and politically.

Few years from now, sure, but right now, T'Challa got Cap and the Avengers in the "divorce".
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on May 10, 2013, 09:43:44 am
But remember the number one reason that Storm should not be on the Avengers is Captain America.

BP is one of Steve's best friends;  no way he disses T'challa by bringing the Ex onto their team.  Steve wants T'challa with him on the Avengers.  Inviting Storm would be headache for his friend, both personally and politically.

Few years from now, sure, but right now, T'Challa got Cap and the Avengers in the "divorce".

Yeah, but what about Logan? You know the guy kissing on neck while they were married?
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 10, 2013, 10:46:17 am
But remember the number one reason that Storm should not be on the Avengers is Captain America.

BP is one of Steve's best friends;  no way he disses T'challa by bringing the Ex onto their team.  Steve wants T'challa with him on the Avengers.  Inviting Storm would be headache for his friend, both personally and politically.

Few years from now, sure, but right now, T'Challa got Cap and the Avengers in the "divorce".

Yeah, but what about Logan? You know the guy kissing on neck while they were married?

1-Cap may not know about it.  It isn't like anyone of them is going to tell Cap.

2-Wolvie has been an active member of the Avengers since before there was a marriage, unlike Storm who abandoned the Avengers, before the divorce.   Removing someone from the team is different inviting someone back.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Seven on May 10, 2013, 10:56:02 am
But remember the number one reason that Storm should not be on the Avengers is Captain America.

BP is one of Steve's best friends;  no way he disses T'challa by bringing the Ex onto their team.  Steve wants T'challa with him on the Avengers.  Inviting Storm would be headache for his friend, both personally and politically.

Few years from now, sure, but right now, T'Challa got Cap and the Avengers in the "divorce".

Yeah, but what about Logan? You know the guy kissing on neck while they were married?

1-Cap may not know about it.  It isn't like anyone of them is going to tell Cap.

2-Wolvie has been an active member of the Avengers since before there was a marriage, unlike Storm who abandoned the Avengers, before the divorce.   Removing someone from the team is different inviting someone back.

True. He probably would not know about it.
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Mr. Peejay on May 11, 2013, 08:03:26 am
Marvel Adventures Avengers? Yes she can--or don't use Thor.
([url]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090208213960/marveldatabase/images/3/3d/Marvel_Adventures_The_Avengers_Vol_1_31.jpg[/url])

You can do it--it just takes being creative. Currently all Storm ever does is a lightning bolt.


Anything Storm can do, Thor can do better.



Except for screwing Wolverine... Well... maybe not!
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: sinjection1 on May 11, 2013, 08:59:30 am
Marvel Adventures Avengers? Yes she can--or don't use Thor.
([url]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090208213960/marveldatabase/images/3/3d/Marvel_Adventures_The_Avengers_Vol_1_31.jpg[/url])

You can do it--it just takes being creative. Currently all Storm ever does is a lightning bolt.


Anything Storm can do, Thor can do better.




Quote
Except for screwing Wolverine... Well... maybe not!


 :o BAM! WHAM-A-LAMM!!!  :)
Title: Re: The sad return O'oroe O'Snooks Thomas (The demise of Ororo Munroe).
Post by: Vic Vega on May 11, 2013, 11:57:08 am
What's funny about this is that Marvel seems to agree with Kip.

That Marvel Adventures team was Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Spider Man, Storm and Wolverine.
Oh, and Janet Van Dyne as Giant Girl. No Thor, No Pym (they show up later, but don't stay).

They've gone out of their way to not have them on an Avengers team as the same time.
Remainder wanted to put her in Uncanny Avengers and they wouldn't let him.

Even tho her presence there makes more sense than Rogue's.