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Title: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on June 08, 2013, 05:30:49 pm
Serena's 16th Slam title is enough cause for celebration but what makes it even sweeter is the commentators.

They want her to fail.

Chris Evert is the most overt but in general you see that the style, charisma, and even physique( Yes, I went there) of Serena is a point of derision for them.

So once again Serena proves them wrong and adds another Slam to the resume.

P.S. Chris, you can shine the trophy at your leisure. 8)
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Hypestyle on June 09, 2013, 10:26:56 am
I scarcely follow the tournaments as they happen.  How nasty does the commentary get?  For how many years now have the pundits been hinting/muttering that S & V are "over the hill/overrated" and proven wrong?  Is there anyone in the pro tennis world who has consistently defended their rep?  The country-club sports world just seems to be entrenchedly biased (which is another reason why I barely watch)...
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Maxine Shaw on June 09, 2013, 12:41:05 pm
How nasty does the commentary get?


Let's put it like this. I watch the Slams on both my computer and my television so I can stream Eurosport and turn off the sound on whatever American channel I'm watching. If I see that 2004 Wimbledon win one more time, I was going to scream. Why don't they show the next nine years of consecutive losses (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=maria+serena+highlights&page=&utm_source=opensearch) that Maria has suffered? Why don't they show how Serena C-walked all over Maria's hopes and dreams? That's NEVER going to get old.

Serena Williams crip walk! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqxo05tMVP4#ws)

Neither will this - Serena at #81 winning Oz in 2007. (Gotta love the subtle shade the Australian commentators are throwing.)

[HL] Serena Williams vs. Maria Sharapova 2007 Australian Open [F] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfwFwuTiEo#ws)

Speaking of shade, this will always be funny.

Serena Williams Extremely funny interview! Dissing Dinara Safina - Wimbledon 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQjyCUeF2Q#)
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on June 09, 2013, 09:50:18 pm
While there is undoubtably bias in the coverage, don't the networks have to pretend the challengers has a chance of winning to get viewers to watch?  Isn't it like Obama's elections, where the non-Fox pundits knew who was really gonna kick ass? 
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Battle on June 10, 2013, 01:43:41 am
Isn't it like Obama's elections, where the non-Fox pundits knew who was really gonna kick ass?




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Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Vic Vega on June 10, 2013, 06:57:27 am
While there is undoubtably bias in the coverage, don't the networks have to pretend the challengers has a chance of winning to get viewers to watch?  Isn't it like Obama's elections, where the non-Fox pundits knew who was really gonna kick ass?

The Tennis purists and pundits may want the Williams sisters to lose but they NEED the Williams sisters for anybody to give a damn about women's tennis at all. 

Say what you want about Men's tennis but at least it still has Nidal, Federer and Andy Murray.

What does woman's tennis have? Kim Clijister is retired. Monica Seles is retired. Steffie Graf is retired. Even Anna Kornikova retired (she never won anything but at least she could get males to watch women's tennis). And there no strapping butch lesbian tennis player out there that I know of to get the GLBT crown to care either.

All women's tennis HAS now are Williams Sisters and Maria Sharparova.

Those commentators are grumbling about thier meal ticket.

At least Men's Tennis knows it needs Tiger Woods to start winning again.

Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Maxine Shaw on June 10, 2013, 11:26:57 am
If you get a chance to catch it - in theaters or on iTunes  - this is a must-watch for fans of the sisters. It's more about Serena than Venus (who seems to have no problem being left in the dust by Serena long ago), and it is an absolute delight.
Venus and Serena Featurette (2013) - Williams Sisters Documentary Movie HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRlf46RnKf8#ws)
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on June 10, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
While there is undoubtably bias in the coverage, don't the networks have to pretend the challengers has a chance of winning to get viewers to watch?  Isn't it like Obama's elections, where the non-Fox pundits knew who was really gonna kick ass?

That is not the case at all.

Listen to Chris Evert's coverage of Serena and you can literally feel the derision and hate from your screen. Everytime Serena loses it is the "End of the Williams era" meanwhile, Serena has overcome serious injuries to either reach the finals of Slams or win them.

Serena literally overcame a life-threatening illness to now claim a 16th Slam. Where are the specials in tribute to this fact? If it were Sharapova you would've had the pundits giving her a standing ovation with the theme from CHARIOTS OF FIRE blaring in the background.

These people STILL speak ad nauseum about Navritilova's work ethic meanwhile saying nothing about Serena's. You would think the woman just wakes up looking like the WWE champion, and I don't mean the Diva's champ but the belt the Rock just lost.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on June 10, 2013, 04:43:00 pm
Serena is really the last Black rebel star athlete.

Lebron is just like Jordan with no issues outside of basketball. RG3 is beloved and racially appropriate in all things. Tiger is on top and back to being Coblasian and nothing more.

Then there is Serena.

Clothing, acting, commentary even her body is an act of rebellion against the pundits.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on June 10, 2013, 05:49:03 pm
Damn we need like and love buttons on this site.  Well put.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Maxine Shaw on June 10, 2013, 07:19:11 pm
I'm sick of hearing how bad Serena is for women's tennis, and how the fact that she can keep winning at 31 means that the other women aren't very good. How long did Martina HATERtilova play tennis? Pontius Pilate was her first doubles partner, and nobody said a damn thing.

It kills me to say anything nice about Sharapova, but she's...fine. Saying that Sharapova is no good is like saying Scottie Pippin is no good while you're comparing him to Michael Jordan. The other women on the WTA are professional tennis players making more money than I'll ever see in my life. It's just that Serena is in a different class of tennis, and she came from a stronger tennis era. Graf and Seles were still playing, and then they had Capriati, Davenport, Hingis, Henin, Clijsters...I mean, the late 90s and early 00s was DEEP with talent. Anybody who played at that time was no scrub. Maria, on the other hand, came up with such tennis immortals as Safina, Wozniacki, Ivanovic, and Jankovic.

As for Venus, the fact that her disease was misdiagnosed for years and years will go down as one of the greatest tragedies in women's tennis (second only to Seles being stabbed in her prime). I have no doubt whatsoever that V&S would be #1 and #2 right now if it wasn't for all of those bogus doctors.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on June 10, 2013, 09:19:46 pm
Pontius Pilate was her first doubles partner, and nobody said a damn thing.


So. Damn. Funny.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on June 10, 2013, 09:52:44 pm
I would be remiss in not mentioning Mcenroe's legendary hoeness in his treatment/stalking of the Williams Sisters. As soon as Venus and Serena started winning slams; while refuting the advice of the pundits to DUMP their Dad as a trainer, out comes McEneroe.

What male champion challenges women entering their early 20's to a showdown on a near monthly basis? Why didn't Supertramp challenge Graf, Seles or Hingis to the same deal?
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Maxine Shaw on June 18, 2013, 06:00:10 pm
*headdesk* (http://deadspin.com/serena-williams-on-steubenville-im-not-blaming-the-g-514085256)

Now angry white pseudo-feminists are going to flood the media with their campfire rape stories*, demanding that Serena lose her Nike endorsements - and this time, she has nobody to blame but herself. Luckily, Serena gives no f*cks whatsoever, but I do hope she takes this opportunity to get more educated on rape and rape culture.

*I, too, am a survivor of sexual assault, but I see no need to bring this up every time there is a discussion about rape, feminism or women's issues. I find it to be a very cheap, derailing tactic.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 03, 2013, 10:15:43 pm
How nasty does the commentary get?


Let's put it like this. I watch the Slams on both my computer and my television so I can stream Eurosport and turn off the sound on whatever American channel I'm watching. If I see that 2004 Wimbledon win one more time, I was going to scream. Why don't they show the next nine years of consecutive losses ([url]http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=maria+serena+highlights&page=&utm_source=opensearch[/url]) that Maria has suffered? Why don't they show how Serena C-walked all over Maria's hopes and dreams? That's NEVER going to get old.

Serena Williams crip walk! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqxo05tMVP4#ws[/url])

Neither will this - Serena at #81 winning Oz in 2007. (Gotta love the subtle shade the Australian commentators are throwing.)

[HL] Serena Williams vs. Maria Sharapova 2007 Australian Open [F] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfwFwuTiEo#ws[/url])

Speaking of shade, this will always be funny.

Serena Williams Extremely funny interview! Dissing Dinara Safina - Wimbledon 2009 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQjyCUeF2Q#[/url])

talk to em, gurl
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on July 04, 2013, 07:14:13 am
I'm sick of hearing how bad Serena is for women's tennis, and how the fact that she can keep winning at 31 means that the other women aren't very good. How long did Martina HATERtilova play tennis? Pontius Pilate was her first doubles partner, and nobody said a damn thing.

It kills me to say anything nice about Sharapova, but she's...fine. Saying that Sharapova is no good is like saying Scottie Pippin is no good while you're comparing him to Michael Jordan. The other women on the WTA are professional tennis players making more money than I'll ever see in my life. It's just that Serena is in a different class of tennis, and she came from a stronger tennis era. Graf and Seles were still playing, and then they had Capriati, Davenport, Hingis, Henin, Clijsters...I mean, the late 90s and early 00s was DEEP with talent. Anybody who played at that time was no scrub. Maria, on the other hand, came up with such tennis immortals as Safina, Wozniacki, Ivanovic, and Jankovic.

As for Venus, the fact that her disease was misdiagnosed for years and years will go down as one of the greatest tragedies in women's tennis (second only to Seles being stabbed in her prime). I have no doubt whatsoever that V&S would be #1 and #2 right now if it wasn't for all of those bogus doctors.
This post is three for three.

I just have one question: why is it so many folks, especially women, can't stand Sharapova? My wife and mother-in-law (among many others) just hate on her. I think Maxine Shaw is dead on; she's the best of the rest in a fairly weak field. But none of that is her fault. Her game is limited but she goes hard with what she's got. All in all, she's having a pretty good career. So what's not to like?
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 04, 2013, 12:07:17 pm
I'm sick of hearing how bad Serena is for women's tennis, and how the fact that she can keep winning at 31 means that the other women aren't very good. How long did Martina HATERtilova play tennis? Pontius Pilate was her first doubles partner, and nobody said a damn thing.

It kills me to say anything nice about Sharapova, but she's...fine. Saying that Sharapova is no good is like saying Scottie Pippin is no good while you're comparing him to Michael Jordan. The other women on the WTA are professional tennis players making more money than I'll ever see in my life. It's just that Serena is in a different class of tennis, and she came from a stronger tennis era. Graf and Seles were still playing, and then they had Capriati, Davenport, Hingis, Henin, Clijsters...I mean, the late 90s and early 00s was DEEP with talent. Anybody who played at that time was no scrub. Maria, on the other hand, came up with such tennis immortals as Safina, Wozniacki, Ivanovic, and Jankovic.

As for Venus, the fact that her disease was misdiagnosed for years and years will go down as one of the greatest tragedies in women's tennis (second only to Seles being stabbed in her prime). I have no doubt whatsoever that V&S would be #1 and #2 right now if it wasn't for all of those bogus doctors.
This post is three for three.

I just have one question: why is it so many folks, especially women, can't stand Sharapova? My wife and mother-in-law (among many others) just hate on her. I think Maxine Shaw is dead on; she's the best of the rest in a fairly weak field. But none of that is her fault. Her game is limited but she goes hard with what she's got. All in all, she's having a pretty good career. So what's not to like?

I was wondering the same thing. My homegurls who follow sport DESPISE Sharapova...and I'm clueless about the origin of such intense sentiment. Maxine...will you help ya bruthas out please?
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Princesa on July 10, 2013, 08:42:43 am
What I like about Serena is she doesn't at all play the "good sport" thing. She is a cut throat in the Kobe or Brady or Jordan mood and she isn't there to congratulate you and smile and shake your hand. If she doesn't win it isn't a happy time and if she does win she will dance over your body.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Maxine Shaw on July 10, 2013, 08:49:16 am
I just have one question: why is it so many folks, especially women, can't stand Sharapova?

Are you serious with this bullsh*t? REALLY? How about the fact that her endorsement money is 7-1 over a woman who LITERALLY has four times as many Grand Slams as she does?
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 10, 2013, 09:29:00 am
I just have one question: why is it so many folks, especially women, can't stand Sharapova?


Are you serious with this bullsh*t? REALLY? How about the fact that her endorsement money is 7-1 over a woman who LITERALLY has four times as many Grand Slams as she does?


Not only did I not know that, I am ashamed to admit...I'm not remotely surprised. Even worse? I'm so used to such disparities, that I hardly blinked at this revelation.

Thank you, Maxine Shaw. I feel my sistahs now.

Listen, last night? I got into a discussion about how so many fans think that people like Venus and Serena, Carl Lewis and Anderson Silva, Floyd Mayweather and Ashton Eaton [ the greatest athlete in the world, and Decathlon World Record holder...at age 26 ] etc etc etc are perceived as athletes lacking intellectual acumen.

The discussion got especially heated when we turned to Serena and Black NFL quarterbacks.

I pointed out that, by definition, athletic TALENT is something that we are born with...something that God gives us. Athletic SKILL is the result of working such talent intelligently, intensely, relentlessly. The result is athletic SKILL which means that these athletes choose to make the right decision with the right skill set at the right time in order to achieve the right result...over and over again. Against talented, skilled, experienced resistance. I point out that in athletes we also see a very high commingling of some overlooked expressions of literal intelligence: Bodily Kinesthetic Intelligence. In team sports? The team leader has to motivate people too...that's Interpersonal Intelligence. Memorizing plays, being able to perceive and apply strategies in 3-D [ inclusive of Serena Williams perception on the court ] could be seen as Spatial Intelligence...

...and every single one of the people who were hating on these athletes' intelligence and the uniqueness of their beings were like: "What?"

Yeah. Intelligence ain't just a school thang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences)
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Maxine Shaw on July 10, 2013, 09:57:30 am
To be fair, the most recent Forbes list (http://tennis.si.com/2013/06/13/forbes-roger-federer-maria-sharapova-serena-williams/) shows that Serena makes half the money in endorsements as Maria does. So Serena has moved way up in that regards. Maria is #22 on the sports list; Serena is #68. So never again ask why women - especially black women - can't stand Maria's ass.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 10, 2013, 10:44:14 am
To be fair, the most recent Forbes list ([url]http://tennis.si.com/2013/06/13/forbes-roger-federer-maria-sharapova-serena-williams/[/url]) shows that Serena makes half the money in endorsements as Maria does. So Serena has moved way up in that regards. Maria is #22 on the sports list; Serena is #68. So never again ask why women - especially black women - can't stand Maria's ass.


Okay, btw? I love "attorney at LOL" and that whole "enunciate them clearly like a f*cking lady" just cracks me up every time I read it in your sig.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on July 10, 2013, 10:56:51 am
First of all...


I believe it was Navratilova who stated that when Anna Kornikova was making so much money despite not winning a major title that it was money that was not available to the other women in tennis by default!

It's like asking why Lil Wayne makes more money than Rakim or Big Daddy Kane even though he is not half the lyricists that they are...

Commercial appeal can often have very little to do with talent outside of the profession but more towards overall popularity to the consuming public!

Endorsements can be a picky process that does not play to rank and file but more to looks/sex appeal and market value among people with disposable income... Or wealthy white people!

Jordan, Tiger Woods and a few other athletes so transcended this by leaps and bounds but that does not mean that every other top tier athlete can attain those types of revenue numbers!

You can be fast, athletic and dominate your sport but if the general public does not buy into you as a product for whatever reasons they have then that is that!

Look at the lists of every top athlete in every sport and you may see a whole bunch of athletes that never blow through the stratosphere in commercials for some reason or another!

Of course then there is also the right agent, the right PR persons and management that could be the solution or the problem to getting the right contracts signed!

I like Serena but I am more inclined to buy Air Jordans long after Michael has played the game than purchase tennis gear from a current star... There is not much you can do to change my mind on that no matter how many grand slams are won!

Heck the only time I really watched tennis regularly was when Venus and Serena played each other for the title but if it was a choice between college football and the 20 plus different titles that are won year round I would rather watch the suspense of sports that have only one title at the end of the year than those that have throwaway trophies every other weekend!

The Mercedes Open... The John Doe Classic... The ABC XYZ Invitational... C'mon son it's hard to feel bad for athletes that can lose in the first round at Wimbledon and then pop over next week to the Ferrari Tournament and win a sports car, loads of cash and beat some little girl who has a name way too difficult to pronounce!

Put linebackers at center court to tackle each opponent and let them play in the rain and snow and then we can talk about who should earn what pay for play... Or have them UFC it out between break points and win sets with blood streaming down their faces mixed with sweat let them serve for the match!

I have not seen one concussion in tennis yet so get going on that... I won't feel sorry for any athlete that surpasses a 7 generation 401k retirement level because some other athlete earned a few more millions appealing to certain fans that have the cash and made their choice be it due to race or culture or country!

Serena should stop Crip Walking if the Crips don't spend millions on tennis especially if it hurts her cash flow on the Bloods side of the coin who are rivals to the Crips gang... DUH!!!





Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Vic Vega on July 10, 2013, 11:40:36 am
I just have one question: why is it so many folks, especially women, can't stand Sharapova?

Are you serious with this bullsh*t? REALLY? How about the fact that her endorsement money is 7-1 over a woman who LITERALLY has four times as many Grand Slams as she does?

It's a fair question.

What dude (aside from a tennis fan) is going to be up on who makes what in Ladies' Tennis? I have no idea what Federer or Nidal makes or who makes more between the two of them.

At least I can remember seeing TV commercials with Serena and Venus Williams in them. I don't remember ever seeing a commerical with Sharaparova in it.

If you told me that Serena made more money in endorsements than Sharaparova I'd of believed it.

I'm guessing that tennis players get the majority of their endorsement dough from stuff like signiture rackets tennis shoes and stuff that tennis enthusiasts would buy.

The rest would come from stuff like posters. Maybe Sharaparova has an
advantage to Serena there. She might sell more posters to teenage boys (being a cute Blonde and all). And even then, I can't swing a dead cat without seeing sexy Serena posters too.

So I just gonna assume that Serena doesn't make much money off of Tennis fans.

Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Battle on July 10, 2013, 12:26:16 pm
First of all...
Commercial appeal can often have very little to do with talent outside of the profession but more towards overall popularity to the consuming public!




Yep.



Quote
At least I can remember seeing TV commercials with Serena and Venus Williams in them. I don't remember ever seeing a commerical with Sharaparova in it.


Don't forget what may be happening overseas.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on July 10, 2013, 12:38:20 pm
And then there is the The Great White Hype aspect...


Whoever filmed this movie made some good and obvious points but I aint saying nothing! ;)




http://youtu.be/v8UgLWn9LHY (http://youtu.be/v8UgLWn9LHY)

Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on July 10, 2013, 01:02:31 pm
I just have one question: why is it so many folks, especially women, can't stand Sharapova?


Are you serious with this bullsh*t? REALLY? How about the fact that her endorsement money is 7-1 over a woman who LITERALLY has four times as many Grand Slams as she does?

To be fair, the most recent Forbes list ([url]http://tennis.si.com/2013/06/13/forbes-roger-federer-maria-sharapova-serena-williams/[/url]) shows that Serena makes half the money in endorsements as Maria does. So Serena has moved way up in that regards. Maria is #22 on the sports list; Serena is #68. So never again ask why women - especially black women - can't stand Maria's ass.

Well, count me among the previously ignant on the endorsement imbalance. Thanks for the info. Can't say I'm surprised. I guess I just file it under "don't hate the player, hate the game." I can see why folks could be pissed about it though.
Title: Re: All Hail Serena Williams!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 10, 2013, 08:15:21 pm
What I like about Serena is she doesn't at all play the "good sport" thing. She is a cut throat in the Kobe or Brady or Jordan mood and she isn't there to congratulate you and smile and shake your hand. If she doesn't win it isn't a happy time and if she does win she will dance over your body.

You know? I like that too. Every once in a while I do enjoy an unapologetic butcher