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Title: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 12, 2007, 11:11:45 pm
Note: by "feminist" I mean 'whiny upper class white women and the ilk they've hypnotized into sheer stupidness'

Seriously, though. What is it about T'Challa that seems to piss off random white women? How can anyone say with a straight face that a man who asked his wife to marry him THREE TIMES is a chauvinist?
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Open palm on January 13, 2007, 12:49:42 am
I'd like to see the statistics behind that.  :-[
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Marvelous on January 13, 2007, 12:53:47 am
I'd like to see the statistics behind that.  :-[

Being comic readers, are they fine?  ;)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: sharcque on January 13, 2007, 01:01:17 am
How many upper class white women read comics?  And how many of those read Black Panther?  I know that my LCS (Marvelous's store) is just full of white women wearing lots of expensive jewelry and furs.  In fact, they send their driver/butler in to pick up their comics, and BP is in every one of them's pull list.

You're reaching with this one.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Marvelous on January 13, 2007, 01:03:15 am
How many upper class white women read comics?  And how many of those read Black Panther?  I know that my LCS (Marvelous's store) is just full of white women wearing lots of expensive jewelry and furs.  In fact, they send their driver/butler in to pick up their comics, and BP is in every one of them's pull list.

You're reaching with this one.

I just got called out!  8)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Toya on January 13, 2007, 01:50:07 am
When are the "feminists", especially the "black feminists", going to get curb-stomped?

I remember I had a discussion of sorts with a self-proclaimed feminist over at SHH! I just can't get into the heads of these men and women who believe that Black Panther is a male chauvanist all of a sudden, no wonder the "feminists" are infamous for hating anything male. Other than my friend over at SHH! I've had little, if any, contact with a "feminist".

Thank you Buddha I don't haunt message boards as much these days.

Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 13, 2007, 02:48:24 am
How many upper class white women read comics?  And how many of those read Black Panther?  I know that my LCS (Marvelous's store) is just full of white women wearing lots of expensive jewelry and furs.  In fact, they send their driver/butler in to pick up their comics, and BP is in every one of them's pull list.

You're reaching with this one.

I was actually referring to the feminist movement. Which was followed by "Seriously, though." Keep up, son.

Other than my friend over at SHH! I've had little, if any, contact with a "feminist".

Consider yourself lucky. If I have to put up with "Like, OMG! How can you possibly like that book! It's sooooooo sexist amirite!!!111???///" I may have to choke a bitch.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: bluezulu on January 13, 2007, 06:05:57 am
Is this like bizaroo world, Wolverine lusting and womanizing and the x writers who use the x women for a harem is cool, but a man asking and marrying a women is sexist? What part is sexist, that instead of being a potential leader of a militia team, she gets to be a head of state doing the same thing but official and in a bigger scale. I get what you are saying dora, how western in their thinking. Because they feel that storm as she was portrayed before as the mammy like leader of the xmen she was good, strong and dateless. Now that she has the nerve to be selfish and think of her self for a change she is being exploited. I actually think your metaphor was dead on. The feminist would want a black women to fit the role they want her in in the case of the feminist a cross between angela davis and maya angelo. Never mind the fact that their is a little tameka, shameka in storm. She is a black women in america for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: D- Ruck on January 13, 2007, 07:11:36 am
Is this like bizaroo world, Wolverine lusting and womanizing and the x writers who use the x women for a harem is cool, but a man asking and marrying a women is sexist? What part is sexist, that instead of being a potential leader of a militia team, she gets to be a head of state doing the same thing but official and in a bigger scale. I get what you are saying dora, how western in their thinking. Because they feel that storm as she was portrayed before as the mammy like leader of the xmen she was good, strong and dateless. Now that she has the nerve to be selfish and think of her self for a change she is being exploited. I actually think your metaphor was dead on. The feminist would want a black women to fit the role they want her in in the case of the feminist a cross between angela davis and maya angelo. Never mind the fact that their is a little tameka, shameka in storm. She is a black women in america for goodness sake.

"You are a Goddess, act like one" to Monica

"You are my wife, we will make this decision together" to Storm

The thing I like about the Panther character is his class, he has nothing but respect for ladies.  The only lady I saw him even be close to rude to was Shuri, and that was just him being big brother.  Just more silliness from the outside boards.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 13, 2007, 07:36:39 am
I can give you some possible"feminist" responses, but realize that this is NOT MY OPINION, BELIEF OR WHATNOT.  (Don't kill the messenger.)

A)  Blue Zulu called Storm "Dateless."  In the feminist rhertoric, that means, "I'm a woman; I don't need a man."

B)  In some feminist circles, Marriage is the epitome of masculine control and domination over women.  Asking Storm to marry him 3 times is actually more chavanistic then not.  (Again, this isn't my belief.)

Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 13, 2007, 08:21:41 am
I do see flashes of sexism in T'Challa - with Shuri, for instance, and in #19 w/Storm. However, I think there's a difference between a man w/sexist tendencies and a true sexist, who would've replied "f*ck you, bitch! You ain't sh*t!" when Storm didn't just piss herself with glee the second he proposed. I think he's coming from a place of "I will protect you", not "you are beneath me", which is the core belief of a true chauvinist. T'Challa's line of thinking is more immature than anything.

I get what you are saying dora, how western in their thinking. Because they feel that storm as she was portrayed before as the mammy like leader of the xmen she was good, strong and dateless. Now that she has the nerve to be selfish and think of her self for a change she is being exploited. I actually think your metaphor was dead on. The feminist would want a black women to fit the role they want her in in the case of the feminist a cross between angela davis and maya angelo. Never mind the fact that their is a little tameka, shameka in storm.

*snort* But that would mean she's acting like an...AFRICAN-AMERICAN FEMALE!!!! Perish the thought!!! I knew my time with the regular Storm "fans" was coming to an end when they were calling Storm a "slut" and a "whore" after #15. I'm like "Hey, even if this was rash behavior and out of character for Storm, ever stop to think that SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HORNY?" Which of course, was just not an option.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Open palm on January 14, 2007, 01:26:50 am
I can give you some possible"feminist" responses, but realize that this is NOT MY OPINION, BELIEF OR WHATNOT.  (Don't kill the messenger.)

A)  Blue Zulu called Storm "Dateless."  In the feminist rhertoric, that means, "I'm a woman; I don't need a man."

B)  In some feminist circles, Marriage is the epitome of masculine control and domination over women.  Asking Storm to marry him 3 times is actually more chavanistic then not.  (Again, this isn't my belief.)

But Storm was willing to marry Forge when he first proposed.  ??? Don't tell me they overlooked that.  ::)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Open palm on January 14, 2007, 03:46:35 am
OT: Anybody catch the recent news on the Air Force sergeant who posed nude for Playboy? She said she doesn't regret it and she's married too. What do the feminists say about that, eh?  ::)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 14, 2007, 06:07:33 am
I can give you some possible"feminist" responses, but realize that this is NOT MY OPINION, BELIEF OR WHATNOT.  (Don't kill the messenger.)

A)  Blue Zulu called Storm "Dateless."  In the feminist rhertoric, that means, "I'm a woman; I don't need a man."

B)  In some feminist circles, Marriage is the epitome of masculine control and domination over women.  Asking Storm to marry him 3 times is actually more chavanistic then not.  (Again, this isn't my belief.)

But Storm was willing to marry Forge when he first proposed.  ??? Don't tell me they overlooked that.  ::)

The diehard feminists would have been against it, but remember 3 things.  a)  that happened before the internet community of complaining about every single thing that happens in comics, so who knows who was griping in their comic stores.  b) she never did get married; being willing and getting married are 2 different things.  c) Diehard feminists aren't the main ones complaining.  The main complainers are the diehard x-philoes who won't accept Storm marrying outside the x-books.  If BP came from an x-title or was a mutant himself, there wouldn't be half the complaints there are now.  But BP is from Avengers and FF side of Marvel and you know that side is inferior to the mutant side of Marvel.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 14, 2007, 06:10:25 am
OT: Anybody catch the recent news on the Air Force sergeant who posed nude for Playboy? She said she doesn't regret it and she's married too. What do the feminists say about that, eh?  ::)

Oh, I've heard those comments quite a few times--a) the woman has be "bewitched" by the male-dominated views of woman.  b) she is just adding to the problem of the exploitation of women.  She's a traitor to her gender.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: zeraze on January 14, 2007, 06:34:37 am
When are the "feminists", especially the "black feminists", going to get curb-stomped?

I remember I had a discussion of sorts with a self-proclaimed feminist over at SHH! I just can't get into the heads of these men and women who believe that Black Panther is a male chauvanist all of a sudden, no wonder the "feminists" are infamous for hating anything male. Other than my friend over at SHH! I've had little, if any, contact with a "feminist".



Man, I thought I was the only one who encountered nutjobs like the White feminists you described.  I first bumped into one of these fanatics over a thread on Tamora Pierce (White Tiger).

But this poster "kitty tc" I got into a debate with took the cake:  http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2928955&postcount=49

The lady's so out there that I didn't even bother responding beyond that point.

No wonder the feminazi stereotype is so durable.  You've got too many White women who belief "marriage = slavery," thus turning off everybody.

I understand now why Reggie had this segment add to the  Rules of the HEF (http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1157.0): 

Being a white woman or being white gay male doesn’t give you special insights into racial matters.

zeraze
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 14, 2007, 06:40:27 am
Oh, I've heard those comments quite a few times--a) the woman has be "bewitched" by the male-dominated views of woman.  b) she is just adding to the problem of the exploitation of women.  She's a traitor to her gender.

As opposed to these whiny ass feminists, who want all women to believe that we're all tools of the patriarchy, that all men are scum, and that all women are victims.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Princesa on January 14, 2007, 11:37:33 am
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: sinjection on January 14, 2007, 12:27:08 pm
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.

hmmm...first, it was the "Black Superhero Team" thread that some suggested smacked of racism and now, this thread has been labeled likewise.

With apologies to the late, great Marvin Gaye, I have to ask, "What's Goin' On?"
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: GrimSkill on January 14, 2007, 12:33:06 pm
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.

hmmm...first, it was the "Black Superhero Team" thread that some suggested smacked of racism and now, this thread has been labeled likewise.

With apologies to the late, great Marvin Gaye, I have to ask, "What's Goin' On?"

Simple Sinjection....the HEF Board is infested with them there critters called.....TROLLS :-\
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: bluezulu on January 14, 2007, 12:47:22 pm
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
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Sorry you feel that way. But please give your points as we welcome all sides here. Maybe it is a point of view we are not considering although some regular posters seem to not support dora's view. Why do you think the way you do?
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 14, 2007, 02:18:38 pm
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.

And?
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: kitamu Re on January 14, 2007, 06:59:41 pm
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Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.


and x 2 :D
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: D- Ruck on January 14, 2007, 07:08:23 pm
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Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.


and x 2 :D

I see your ands and raise you a "so what?"
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 14, 2007, 07:37:07 pm
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.

I would actually be somewhat interested in Princesa elaborating upon her perspective.As I understand it,this thread is basically a sarcastic stab at the concept that RH BP is anti-woman...as none of us here (or,rather,most of us here whom have voiced an opinion on the matter,including myself) actually believe that this series has in any way given substance to such a claim.And,of course,no matter how virulent the feminist is nor how zealous,we all must agree that by definition feminism is NOT racism...

...so perhaps Princesa has read the POSTS IN THIS THREAD and concluded that one/some/several/many/most of the posts herein are racist.If so...then I would like to know how.Intelligent dissent is one thing (blkyoda springs to mind,among others,for example) and even several posts by people whom we otherwise staunchly disagree with (such as lovecrafty,and Action Jackson,for example) have made valid points or at least points worth considering.Hopefully Princesa will be able to contribute something of worth and value...unlike the many trolls from I believe places like herochat,Newsrama,Foolishmortals.com,or whatever.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Toya on January 14, 2007, 07:39:34 pm
No wonder the feminazi stereotype is so durable.  You've got too many White women who belief "marriage = slavery," thus turning off everybody.

Agreed. I think that also because their have a fanboy vision of Storm that isn't being fulfilled. That's why they make stuff up about Storm being turned from a Goddess, an X-Man and a warrior into a trophy wife(who has a knack for adventure). They wouldn't feel that way had it been Forge, Wolverine, Gambit, Kitty, or the dirt in her greenhouse.


Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
::)

Y'know there's a saying that says: If you threw stones in a room full of dogs, the ones who got hit the hardest are going to yell the loudest. Time and time again HEFs are being charged with being "a little on the racist side" because we don't subsribe to "I've got a good friend with your skin color so I'm not racist, however..." cushion for discussions.

Bitch please, if you are not a crackerasscracker then STFU no one is talking about you, if you're not a negroassnegro then STFU no one mentioned you, and if you're not a silly "feminist" then STFU because you aren't the focus of the discussion.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 14, 2007, 08:12:54 pm
No wonder the feminazi stereotype is so durable.  You've got too many White women who belief "marriage = slavery," thus turning off everybody.

Agreed. I think that also because their have a fanboy vision of Storm that isn't being fulfilled. That's why they make stuff up about Storm being turned from a Goddess, an X-Man and a warrior into a trophy wife(who has a knack for adventure). They wouldn't feel that way had it been Forge, Wolverine, Gambit, Kitty, or the dirt in her greenhouse.


Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
::)

Y'know there's a saying that says: If you threw stones in a room full of dogs, the ones who got hit the hardest are going to yell the loudest. Time and time again HEFs are being charged with being "a little on the racist side" because we don't subsribe to "I've got a good friend with your skin color so I'm not racist, however..." cushion for discussions.

Bitch please, if you are not a crackerasscracker then STFU no one is talking about you, if you're not a negroassnegro then STFU no one mentioned you, and if you're not a silly "feminist" then STFU because you aren't the focus of the discussion.


hahahahaha,Toya has some of the most potent posts I have had the pleasure to read,and her razor wit and penetrating perspectives are all the more astounding because of her youth.Our darling Toya is what...three? Hahahahaha! No,j/k...props to you,Toya.

but I wonder if Princesa will ever return to this forum or this thread? Perhaps not.But I remain sincere in wanting to know her perspective on this issue...
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: sinjection on January 14, 2007, 08:31:24 pm
YOIKS!!!!  :o

In recent days, I've seen Mastrmynd use stronger words then he usually does to express his well-justified indignation with the idea that the formation of a superhero team comprised primarily if not solely, of black characters was essentially racism in reverse.

The always calm, collected and scholarly supreme who NEVER has an ill word for anyone, was moved to urge we, his fellow HEFmates, to ignore a board participant who is very likely a troll...and not even a friendly troll like Wolverine.

And now, our dear Toya. Always calm, collected and "as cool as the other side of the pillow". Toya breaks out with words hot enough to melt New York City.

I believe this sudden shortness of patience is because of the reaction of some board participants who believe that it is "reverse racism" if the word "black" is used as an identifier for one of the physical characteristics of superheroes banded together to further the cause of justice, when a reader of comic books could look at an issue of Astonishing X-Men for example, and find that with the exception of Thunderbird, all of the members of that superteam are white...or in the case of Nightcrawler, a blue-skinned mutant who happens to be German.

I believe this sudden shortness of patience is because of the reaction of some board participants who believe that it is "reverse racism" to identify those women most prominent in the feminist movement as white women when in fact, they are white. In my always humble opinion, Dora Milaje did not make that identification with hostile intentions.

I believe this sudden shortness of patience is because some board participants are too quick to dismiss any notion that a "Rocky" movie, the movie "Hoosiers", the movie "8-Mile", and the movie "Friday Night Lights" by their very nature, will appeal to the all-American penchant to root for the underdog which is then "spiced up" by the racial component - white "underdog" vs black "archtype of the ultimate man". I wonder if some of those posters who loved those movies would get the same thrill from the movie "Glory Road".
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: kitamu Re on January 14, 2007, 08:53:05 pm
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I wonder if some of those posters who loved those movies would get the same thrill from the movie "Glory Road".

loved glory road liked rocky III and IV. personally glory road ranks as one of my fav basketball movies right behind coach carter
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 14, 2007, 09:44:29 pm
"Glory Road" is great! But nothing beats "Remember the Titans".
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: The Evasive 1 on January 14, 2007, 10:41:34 pm
No wonder the feminazi stereotype is so durable.  You've got too many White women who belief "marriage = slavery," thus turning off everybody.

Agreed. I think that also because their have a fanboy vision of Storm that isn't being fulfilled. That's why they make stuff up about Storm being turned from a Goddess, an X-Man and a warrior into a trophy wife(who has a knack for adventure). They wouldn't feel that way had it been Forge, Wolverine, Gambit, Kitty, or the dirt in her greenhouse.


Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
::)

Y'know there's a saying that says: If you threw stones in a room full of dogs, the ones who got hit the hardest are going to yell the loudest. Time and time again HEFs are being charged with being "a little on the racist side" because we don't subsribe to "I've got a good friend with your skin color so I'm not racist, however..." cushion for discussions.

Bitch please, if you are not a crackerasscracker then STFU no one is talking about you, if you're not a negroassnegro then STFU no one mentioned you, and if you're not a silly "feminist" then STFU because you aren't the focus of the discussion.


OH GAWD!!!! You got me rollin' my seat reading this, Toya!  :D
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: The Evasive 1 on January 14, 2007, 10:45:17 pm
Is this like bizaroo world, Wolverine lusting and womanizing and the x writers who use the x women for a harem is cool, but a man asking and marrying a women is sexist? What part is sexist, that instead of being a potential leader of a militia team, she gets to be a head of state doing the same thing but official and in a bigger scale. I get what you are saying dora, how western in their thinking. Because they feel that storm as she was portrayed before as the mammy like leader of the xmen she was good, strong and dateless. Now that she has the nerve to be selfish and think of her self for a change she is being exploited. I actually think your metaphor was dead on. The feminist would want a black women to fit the role they want her in in the case of the feminist a cross between angela davis and maya angelo. Never mind the fact that their is a little tameka, shameka in storm. She is a black women in america for goodness sake.

"You are a Goddess, act like one" to Monica

"You are my wife, we will make this decision together" to Storm

The thing I like about the Panther character is his class, he has nothing but respect for ladies.  The only lady I saw him even be close to rude to was Shuri, and that was just him being big brother.  Just more silliness from the outside boards.

And let's not forget that BP was about to smack up the Fu Manchu guy (sorry, I don't remember what he was actually called) when he was out with Luke Cage in the "Bride of the Panther" arc? Shang Chi's sister got slapped by her father and T'Challa was about to go through all the Fu Manchu's guards to get to him.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 14, 2007, 11:06:40 pm
"Glory Road" is great! But nothing beats "Remember the Titans".

Loved me some REMEMBER THE TITANS...
YOIKS!!!!  :o

In recent days, I've seen Mastrmynd use stronger words then he usually does to express his well-justified indignation with the idea that the formation of a superhero team comprised primarily if not solely, of black characters was essentially racism in reverse.

The always calm, collected and scholarly supreme who NEVER has an ill word for anyone, was moved to urge we, his fellow HEFmates, to ignore a board participant who is very likely a troll...and not even a friendly troll like Wolverine.

And now, our dear Toya. Always calm, collected and "as cool as the other side of the pillow". Toya breaks out with words hot enough to melt New York City.

I believe this sudden shortness of patience is because of the reaction of some board participants who believe that it is "reverse racism" if the word "black" is used as an identifier for one of the physical characteristics of superheroes banded together to further the cause of justice, when a reader of comic books could look at an issue of Astonishing X-Men for example, and find that with the exception of Thunderbird, all of the members of that superteam are white...or in the case of Nightcrawler, a blue-skinned mutant who happens to be German.

I believe this sudden shortness of patience is because of the reaction of some board participants who believe that it is "reverse racism" to identify those women most prominent in the feminist movement as white women when in fact, they are white. In my always humble opinion, Dora Milaje did not make that identification with hostile intentions.

I believe this sudden shortness of patience is because some board participants are too quick to dismiss any notion that a "Rocky" movie, the movie "Hoosiers", the movie "8-Mile", and the movie "Friday Night Lights" by their very nature, will appeal to the all-American penchant to root for the underdog which is then "spiced up" by the racial component - white "underdog" vs black "archtype of the ultimate man". I wonder if some of those posters who loved those movies would get the same thrill from the movie "Glory Road".

I concur that I have been less patient with those individuals whom have infested our board and whom proclaim to wish one thing--a discussion or question about a particular topic--and then proceed to leap from one post to another,one issue to another,without resolution or surcease,apparently for the primary purpose of fomenting dissent and fanning the passions that come along with the dissent.I'm all for a spirited civil debate on whatever topic,but clearly immature and two-faced posts wherein a poster such as Action Jackson or lovecrafty will proclaim one thing here and then completely mischaracterize the whole issue and cast aspersions,slurs and slams upon the various posters whom have responded to him elsewhere (like their home sites) then I simply can't see the value of interacting with them.If they signed on to this site to psot directly to and/or about BP,make various statements concerning their positions/perspectives,and then proceed to engage in discourse with the various differing and/or dissenting positions of the posters here,and expect a forever pleasant response to their oftentimes uninformed,ignorant,inaccurate contentions and accusations,then they are sadly mistaken.It's one thing to forecefully present one's opinions,have those opinions proven to be borne from literal ignorance--as in "not knowling",not lack of intelligence--and then ask for the CORRECT data,and rigorously analyze said information.It's an entirely different thing to truculently hold to positions already proven to be inaccurate,untrue and unfair,simply because one has to protect one's e-manhood.It's also another thing to loudly proclaim one's opinion--say,for instance,that RH sucks--mistake that opinion for fact,mistake a preference in style for a lack of quality writing,and then conclude that the majority or all of us HEFfers are racists because we don't subscribe to the same blind arrogant preposterousness that typifies posts that deal with this matter.In short,if you don't read the book,you don't know what the Hell you're talking about.You are literally,totally,entirely and indefensibly ignorant.If you decry the writing,well then...you HAD to read the book to have any form of justice in your claims,in which case I want to know what book you read and how you came to such a diametrically opposed opinion to the majority onsite and felt the need to express the perspective to those of us whom commune here.What has happened 100% of the time when this issue was raised is that the offender has been compelled by THE BOOK ITSELF to acknowledge that there is no factual basis for ANY claim the offenders make except that they just don't like RH's BP because they don't like it.Style preference.Period.Well then,if that's the case,aight cool...different strokes.Next topic.But that's not what occurs.The lovecrafty's and Action  Jacksons of the world go back to their home sites of FoolishMortals.com or whatever and proceed to defame HEF because we didn't instantly kowtow to their blathering ignorance..and voice all sorts of profane insults to their own insular crowd,while saying that we don't "walk the walk" when faced with the sentiments of others.Excuse me,but aren't the posts that have CIVILLY answered your LESS THAN CIVIL (in general) contentions,statements,and the like the most inarguable evidence that we walk the walk,talk the talk,dance the dance AND make the song? But no,instead they go back and act like elementary schoolers with their racist remarks,their colossal ignorance,and their wildly untrue flames.In short,they do repeatedly and with relish precisely what they claim that we do.If he or his ilk felt the way he did,then I felt that he should have voiced it directly to the person(s) whom have offended them or whom have excited their particular response.But pretending to remain "above the fray" here on HEF while constantly reforming and changing and altering his/their positions--without acknowledging the changes made,even when confronted with the direct evidence of previous quotes and posts that the person(s) in question authored--and then making the most profane commentary,the most scurrilous charges and more in the course of their juvenile chatter with the people on their home sites makes them simply beneath the time and energy and worthiness of receiving my disdain.Let it be known that--should they return to this site--they shall be powerfully ILLUMINATED and ousted,and should they somehow actually grow the nuts--or assume the suicidal tendency--of announcing aloud their inflammatory,provocative racist rhetoric in the presence of Black people IN THE FLESH,the results would be similarly illuminating...for they would be sporting "shiners" at the very least.

That is all I have to say on the matter,and I shall not discuss it again.

Trolls...you have been SUPREMELY ILLUMINATED.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: BlackRodimus on January 15, 2007, 05:17:39 am
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
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Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: GrimSkill on January 15, 2007, 07:44:38 am
Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
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TROLLS!!!!
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Toya on January 15, 2007, 08:10:30 am
How is Princesa a troll? S/he has been posting here for a short while but hasn't been "trollish" from what I've seen. Don't be so paranoid.

Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: BlackRodimus on January 15, 2007, 08:17:34 am
How is Princesa a troll?

How ISN'T she? Why post such a comment and not explain herself? But hey, its her right, though, as is mine to post that pic in response.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: BlackRodimus on January 15, 2007, 08:29:30 am
Still, to actually ADD something to this convo...I don't see it. BP practically worships the ground Storm walks on, I don't see how that makes him anti-feminst or whatever. He always defers to her, too. Hudlin has made them an EXAMPLE of how a working couple, especially one who works TOGETHER, should act.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Toya on January 15, 2007, 08:35:29 am
 
How is Princesa a troll?

How ISN'T she? Why post such a comment and not explain herself? But hey, its her right, though, as is mine to post that pic in response.

You're right.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 15, 2007, 09:00:57 am
I agree. Don't throw a rock and run. You say some bold sh*t like that, you back it up.

And I'll see your

(http://www.livinginthelightms.com/trolls3xxx.JPG)

and raise you a...

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Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Yaw on January 15, 2007, 09:07:47 am
I agree. Don't throw a rock and run. You say some bold sh*t like that, you back it up.

And I'll see your

([url]http://www.livinginthelightms.com/trolls3xxx.JPG[/url])

and raise you a...

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/rattlerbrat82/zzzATmammy.jpg[/url])


Damn you guys are harsh, leave o'girl alone.  She hasn't been a troll in the past and she often makes a brief comment and then rolls out. I mean yeah she threw a rock this time but one transgression doesn't make a troll.

I mean I could get into how SOME of you have troll-like tendencies up in this piece but I don't roll like that unless I'm trying to get rid of you permanently. ::)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: GrimSkill on January 15, 2007, 09:45:30 am
I agree. Don't throw a rock and run. You say some bold sh*t like that, you back it up.

And I'll see your

([url]http://www.livinginthelightms.com/trolls3xxx.JPG[/url])

and raise you a...

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/rattlerbrat82/zzzATmammy.jpg[/url])


MAMMY!!!
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Ammar on January 15, 2007, 10:22:08 am
I don't get it
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: bluezulu on January 15, 2007, 10:59:36 am
I don't get it
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lmaof. :D
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 15, 2007, 11:56:15 am
Damn you guys are harsh, leave o'girl alone.  She hasn't been a troll in the past and she often makes a brief comment and then rolls out. I mean yeah she threw a rock this time but one transgression doesn't make a troll.

I mean I could get into how SOME of you have troll-like tendencies up in this piece but I don't roll like that unless I'm trying to get rid of you permanently. ::)

She called this thread racist. I can't really take her seriously. But we're just playin' man! :)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 15, 2007, 12:06:46 pm
do i have trollish tendencies, YAW?
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Goat on January 15, 2007, 05:32:27 pm
T,
“"I've got a good friend with your skin color so I'm not racist, however..." cushion for discussions.”

ROFL “that’s gold!!”

EV-1
“And let's not forget that BP was about to smack up the Fu Manchu guy (sorry, I don't remember what he was actually called) when he was out with Luke Cage in the "Bride of the Panther" arc? Shang Chi's sister got slapped by her father and T'Challa was about to go through all the Fu Manchu's guards to get to him.”

His name was…… Mr. Han..

SI
dayaaaymmm!!! Well said!! And a bunch of good synonyms ;^) perhaps the most well thought out anti flame.. flame I’ve read.. and yea I read all of the post not just the first and last sentence.. and I hear ya!! I didn’t realize what was happening in that other thread.. and I had a game to watch.. but I read a bit and yea WTF!? At least its easy to read thru the underlying sentiment in those you mentioned post.. so chill bro, have a cold one on me… it’s all good, those folks that have been around here for awhile know what it is when they see it.,
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Ammar on January 15, 2007, 06:55:23 pm
So first racist, now sexist? I predict cries on homophobia next
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: The Evasive 1 on January 15, 2007, 11:51:04 pm
EV-1
“And let's not forget that BP was about to smack up the Fu Manchu guy (sorry, I don't remember what he was actually called) when he was out with Luke Cage in the "Bride of the Panther" arc? Shang Chi's sister got slapped by her father and T'Challa was about to go through all the Fu Manchu's guards to get to him.”

His name was…… Mr. Han..

Ah, thank you for the correction. Hopefully I did not offend anyone as I got the "Fu Manchu" reference from another poster's explanation on another Internet board.

Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Vic Vega on January 16, 2007, 10:15:01 am
When are the "feminists", especially the "black feminists", going to get curb-stomped?

I remember I had a discussion of sorts with a self-proclaimed feminist over at SHH! I just can't get into the heads of these men and women who believe that Black Panther is a male chauvanist all of a sudden, no wonder the "feminists" are infamous for hating anything male. Other than my friend over at SHH! I've had little, if any, contact with a "feminist".



Man, I thought I was the only one who encountered nutjobs like the White feminists you described.  I first bumped into one of these fanatics over a thread on Tamora Pierce (White Tiger).

But this poster "kitty tc" I got into a debate with took the cake:  [url]http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2928955&postcount=49[/url]

The lady's so out there that I didn't even bother responding beyond that point.

No wonder the feminazi stereotype is so durable.  You've got too many White women who belief "marriage = slavery," thus turning off everybody.

I understand now why Reggie had this segment add to the  Rules of the HEF ([url]http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1157.0[/url]): 

Being a white woman or being white gay male doesn’t give you special insights into racial matters.

zeraze


To the feminists of the extreme Andrea Dworkin variety, Marrage=Slavery and Consentual Sex=Rape. That kind of feminist loves classic Clairmont Storm as she is strong, commanding and "female-centric" with her deepest friendships being with Jean Gray, Kitty Pryde and Yukio.

It's no surprize that they would be incapable (or unwilling) of seeing the difference between handling an upset mate (B.P. in issue #19) and handling a leadership challenge from say, Cyclops or something.   

It's a reality they perfer not to acknowledge.

This sort of feminist also has very little to say to Black women in general, so being able to think of Storm as something other than Black would probably be thier preference too.

I'd go into why this is but that's probably going off topic. Again.   
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 16, 2007, 12:15:09 pm
Ahhhhh, Dworkin. Feminists far and wide salute that nutter, underarm hair blowing in the breeze. And you know what? In the end, even she pulled the rape card (http://archive.salon.com/books/feature/2000/09/20/dworkin/index.html). So much for empowerment. Maybe she would've been a lot calmer had she watched one of those evil porn tapes or something.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Vic Vega on January 16, 2007, 12:32:16 pm
Ahhhhh, Dworkin. Feminists far and wide salute that nutter, underarm hair blowing in the breeze. And you know what? In the end, even she pulled the rape card ([url]http://archive.salon.com/books/feature/2000/09/20/dworkin/index.html[/url]). So much for empowerment. Maybe she would've been a lot calmer had she watched one of those evil porn tapes or something.


Ahhhhh, Dworkin. Feminists far and wide salute that nutter, underarm hair blowing in the breeze.

(takes off hat, bows)

Can't say as I'm surprized. I also notice that wasn't her first "flight of fancy" regarding the truth either. Most sex abuse survivors that I'm acquanited with are a WHOLE HELL OF LOT more stable than she ever was.

Had she just come out of the closet at 19 or something a lot of trees could have been spared a needless death.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Goat on January 16, 2007, 05:38:14 pm
EV-1
“And let's not forget that BP was about to smack up the Fu Manchu guy (sorry, I don't remember what he was actually called) when he was out with Luke Cage in the "Bride of the Panther" arc? Shang Chi's sister got slapped by her father and T'Challa was about to go through all the Fu Manchu's guards to get to him.”

His name was…… Mr. Han..


Ah, thank you for the correction. Hopefully I did not offend anyone as I got the "Fu Manchu" reference from another poster's explanation on another Internet board.




No not at all EV, it's ashame all the discussions we had when RH did that issue were in the threads that were lost on the old boards after it got hacked. At any rate, Reg's changing of Dr. Fumanchu's name To Mr. Han was a great change, Actually it is the name Fu Manchu which is of greater offense since it's meaning is more to the tone of "evil Manchurian leader" and probably has a bit of the "yellow peril" conotation associated with it. With the change to Mr. Han (See Bruce Lee's "Enter the Dragon") the quote on my avatar finally has a place in comics. Reg is a genius!! ;^)

p.s. Welcome to HEF, EV-1 and please to meet ya! Dawg! from Goat.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Shang-Chi.jpg/250px-Shang-Chi.jpg)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 16, 2007, 08:10:21 pm
T,
“"I've got a good friend with your skin color so I'm not racist, however..." cushion for discussions.”

ROFL “that’s gold!!”

EV-1
“And let's not forget that BP was about to smack up the Fu Manchu guy (sorry, I don't remember what he was actually called) when he was out with Luke Cage in the "Bride of the Panther" arc? Shang Chi's sister got slapped by her father and T'Challa was about to go through all the Fu Manchu's guards to get to him.”

His name was…… Mr. Han..

SI
dayaaaymmm!!! Well said!! And a bunch of good synonyms ;^) perhaps the most well thought out anti flame.. flame I’ve read.. and yea I read all of the post not just the first and last sentence.. and I hear ya!! I didn’t realize what was happening in that other thread.. and I had a game to watch.. but I read a bit and yea WTF!? At least its easy to read thru the underlying sentiment in those you mentioned post.. so chill bro, have a cold one on me… it’s all good, those folks that have been around here for awhile know what it is when they see it.,


Thank you very much big dawg,i appreciate the time and effort it takes to read one of my lengthy posts,lol...especially when multitasking with the game on! And thanx for the cold one,dawg...but since I don't drink alcohol,let's make the "cold one" EVIAN,lol...
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Goat on January 17, 2007, 04:09:31 am
You got it!! but I'm out of Evian how about a nice cold San Pellegrino. In fact a round of San for the house. on Goat. :)



I really like that Poland Spring Sparkling Raspberry Water as well,,

I've never been much of a drinker either.. per say.. I will have a small glass of champange on special occasions and a couple of beers with the FIL for the 4th July family get together.. but that's about it.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: Jenn on January 30, 2007, 11:58:26 pm
Had she just come out of the closet at 19 or something a lot of trees could have been spared a needless death.

Okay, I just read this and I'm half dead from laughing so hard. :)
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: stanleyballard on April 12, 2007, 08:39:27 am
Late to this thread but have experienced some of these reactions on uncannyxmen.net and it's incredibly simple minded to say that BP is sexist or that he mistreats Storm.  Doubt Storm would ever let any man mistreat her in any way.  Many might be used to her stale version in UXM but she is now married and is showing a different side as Queen Ororo than as Storm, leader of the XMen...even though she has led the team longer than any other including Cyclops and she is the best out of all the leaders in the history of UXM.
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: JRCarter on April 12, 2007, 10:45:43 am
"Glory Road" is great! But nothing beats "Remember the Titans".

Everywhere we gooo...
Title: Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 23, 2007, 11:01:43 am
This thread has some of the FUNNIEST and MOST PENETRATING comments in a good minute...and our gurl Princesa turned out pretty good,didn't she?