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Title: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on July 11, 2015, 02:36:45 pm
Really liked the first issue.  Really did.  The end was like ohmydayum. Anyone else get their hands on this. Flame me below!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/strange-fruit-1-boom-studios-2015 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/strange-fruit-1-boom-studios-2015)
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on July 13, 2015, 05:33:25 pm
The J.G Jones art is fantastic!

MAJOR SPOILERS!!
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Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Battle on July 13, 2015, 05:40:45 pm
I likes!

 ;D
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 14, 2015, 08:55:03 am
Sold out at one LCS, managed to put it on hold at another!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kristopher on July 14, 2015, 02:17:00 pm
Bro. Marvelous,
Some folk (not ME) are already complaining and condemning(evn the lettering) this book, based on just ONE issue:

http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2015/07/08/the-white-privilege-white-audacity-and-white-priorities-of-strange-fruit-1/ (http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2015/07/08/the-white-privilege-white-audacity-and-white-priorities-of-strange-fruit-1/)

http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-strange-fruit-1/ (http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-strange-fruit-1/)

On FB's Milestone page, one jackoff called me an "Uncle Tom" because I dared to have a different opinion of this book then most of the herd there. Can't wait until issue #2.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on July 14, 2015, 02:25:10 pm
Bro. Marvelous,
Some folk (not ME) are already complaining and condemning(evn the lettering) this book, based on just ONE issue:

[url]http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2015/07/08/the-white-privilege-white-audacity-and-white-priorities-of-strange-fruit-1/[/url] ([url]http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2015/07/08/the-white-privilege-white-audacity-and-white-priorities-of-strange-fruit-1/[/url])

[url]http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-strange-fruit-1/[/url] ([url]http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-strange-fruit-1/[/url])

On FB's Milestone page, one jackoff called me an "Uncle Tom" because I dared to have a different opinion of this book then most of the herd there. Can't wait until issue #2.


Yea bro I know, I've read quite a bit about it.  I have more coming in let me know if you can't get your hands on any, Kimoyo.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 14, 2015, 05:13:37 pm
Will do Marvelous, thanks!  Amazed at the finality of criticisms after just one issue?  Now I can't wait to read it.  The art is phenomenal!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Blanks on July 15, 2015, 12:19:44 pm
I didn't even know about this book until the owner of the shop I go to, threw his last copy in my box; thinking I'd be interested. Finally read it last night; YIKES!
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 16, 2015, 09:15:46 pm
Well, I wish I could have read this without knowing as much as I knew before opening it, but curiosity got the better of me and I read the scathing denouncement of the book by J. Micheline and several of the comments before I was able to get ahold of Strange Fruit #1.  I did however, find the overwhelmingly damning review informative, providing a somewhat helpful context.  Nevertheless, I liked the book.

S P O I L E R S ! ! !

I read it trying to block out the criticisms and the knowledge of who wrote the book, "listening" to determine if it sounded authentic to me.  It did, for as much as I could actually know having only consumed other interpretations of idioms, diction and early 20th century life in the U.S.

To me, Jones & Waid telling this story is different than them being assigned to write an existing hero of color, instead of that opportunity going to a writer of color.  First, it is a story they conceived.  Second, despite the presence of what appears to be a black protagonist (he's extraterrestrial) we don't yet know who or whom the intended focus of the story is? 

Suffice to say, there are both black and white, original characters from a turbulent period in American history, already offering, and promising to offer even more, provocative narrative which will undoubtedly tick off many.  Perhaps me too yet, I had to ask myself, if I had an original story to tell about white people interacting with blacks during a controversial period in history, would I accept the notion that I should not tell that story because I am not white?

My two cents.

Peace,

Mont







Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kristopher on July 19, 2015, 05:35:10 pm
Suffice to say, there are both black and white, original characters from a turbulent period in American history, already offering, and promising to offer even more, provocative narrative which will undoubtedly tick off many.  Perhaps me too yet, I had to ask myself, if I had an original story to tell about white people interacting with blacks during a controversial period in history, would I accept the notion that I should not tell that story because I am not white?

“If there's a book that you want to read and it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it.” –Nobel prize-winning author Toni Morrison

Tell YOUR story/stories. F#%k what anyone may say about them, if the story is true to YOU, that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 20, 2015, 04:22:22 pm
Way I see it too.  I remember that quote.  Quite apropos  Thanks!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 21, 2015, 07:30:38 am
Im trying to avoid the reviews. So what is the premise? From the looks of it, it appears as if it is an Icon clone of a storyline
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 21, 2015, 02:18:09 pm
Could be?  Very close, but only for comparatively very little revealed thus far.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Emperorjones on July 22, 2015, 06:53:12 pm
Suffice to say, there are both black and white, original characters from a turbulent period in American history, already offering, and promising to offer even more, provocative narrative which will undoubtedly tick off many.  Perhaps me too yet, I had to ask myself, if I had an original story to tell about white people interacting with blacks during a controversial period in history, would I accept the notion that I should not tell that story because I am not white?

“If there's a book that you want to read and it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it.” –Nobel prize-winning author Toni Morrison

Tell YOUR story/stories. F#%k what anyone may say about them, if the story is true to YOU, that's all that matters.

I don't disagree with that quote, however I also think its a cop out. So people aren't supposed to have an opinion? People aren't supposed to critically look at what they read and critique or review it? Heck some of this stuff might even help the writers see things that they didn't see themselves.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 23, 2015, 04:14:32 am
Hey EJ, long time!

That's not what I get from that quote or Kristopher's follow.  Opinion and critiques should be givens, but a concern over them should not preempt an artist's earnest attempt to share his/her vision.

I completely agree critical review can help an artist discover things they hadn't considered.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Emperorjones on July 23, 2015, 12:51:44 pm
What's up Kimoyo?

I don't think anyone is saying in the critiques that Waid and the other guy should stop writing or drawing. I don't think anyone has advocated that they even stop doing Strange Fruit.  They are pointing out some of the b.s. they see in Strange Fruit, which I think is legit. Just like its legit to critique everything you read, watch, or listen to. And at least one critique I read said (I think) that they would not continue buying the book, which is also their right. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I don't think Waid is going to hurting all that much.

And when it comes to issues of race I say more critiquing is necessary. We often get the white or whitened perspective when it comes to our racial history, and sometimes that can be insulated even if that is not the intention. Making note of that could help the creators but also the readers of Strange Fruit.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 23, 2015, 04:42:24 pm
I completely agree.  Ideally, critical debate over artistic interpretations of cultures, societal constructs and our world in general, should promote learning that bridges gaps and allows for greater understanding.  Sadly this is not often enough the case.

I did see one critique which opined that this Strange Fruit should not have been allowed to have been produced.  I disagree with that.

Long live the Emperor! :-)

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 23, 2015, 08:07:55 pm
BTW, Waid's rebuttal:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/waid-responds-to-strange-fruit-controversy-what-i-say-about-this-is-not-whats-important (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/waid-responds-to-strange-fruit-controversy-what-i-say-about-this-is-not-whats-important)

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Emperorjones on July 26, 2015, 07:44:35 am
I completely agree.  Ideally, critical debate over artistic interpretations of cultures, societal constructs and our world in general, should promote learning that bridges gaps and allows for greater understanding.  Sadly this is not often enough the case.

I did see one critique which opined that this Strange Fruit should not have been allowed to have been produced.  I disagree with that.

Long live the Emperor! :-)

Peace,

Mont

Thanks Kimoyo for the kind welcome. I don't post that much anymore (in part because I don't read Hickman's New Avengers, there's no solo Panther book, and Storm's has been canceled) but I do lurk. I'm with you that Waid has the right to produce Strange Fruit, but as I said before we as readers and thinkers have the right to criticize it. We also have the right to reject it. Hopefully he will consider some of what the critics are saying. I also think and hope that we see more historical works or even contemporary works about racism from black creators and also from a black perspective that might accurately show a gamut of emotions, including rage, from black characters.

Personally when I saw who was behind Strange Fruit, nothing against Waid per se (I enjoyed his Superman: Birthright and Kingdom Come) but I was highly skeptical. I usually don't think whites can really go there when discussing racism or the past, they have to have an out, a white savior or something. It's hard for them to look at into the face of racism and see themselves in it. It's easier perhaps to put it all on KKK, redneck ogre kind of characters, that are not like the 'mainstream' whites. When in truth I think it's more complicated that that, and that the KKK variant-while extreme, might not be all that different than the mainstream when it comes to idea of white racial superiority. It's just doesn't come out as crude.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Emperorjones on July 26, 2015, 07:49:20 am
BTW, Waid's rebuttal:

[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/waid-responds-to-strange-fruit-controversy-what-i-say-about-this-is-not-whats-important[/url] ([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/waid-responds-to-strange-fruit-controversy-what-i-say-about-this-is-not-whats-important[/url])

Peace,

Mont


Thanks for posting. I didn't watch the interview but read the article, or most of it. I liked Waid's comments. It shows sensitivity and awareness. He didn't get defensive or say he's not a racist or whatever. He's just letting people express themselves and seem cool with it. Strange Fruit as a conversation starter perhaps, and not definitive, could be interesting. It would be perhaps been better to actually have his main character literally wipe his butt with the Confederate flag than for Waid to leave it to interpretation. Because to me it looked like he was draping himself in the flag. Though if Waid had done that he might have been persona non grata in the South for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on July 26, 2015, 01:40:47 pm
No problem EJ.  For me watching the interview provided important context to Waid's reaction as I was able to personally and visually interpret his response for verbal and non-verbal cues.

As to the flag, I honestly took it more as a brash move that would be offensive to those the alien had just thwarted.  Being an alien, I didn't suppose the flag would hold any meaning to him, though it certainly did for his companion.  So the commentary of it I attributed to the writer/artist who rendered the scene defiantly enough for me to see it as an intended "middle finger" to those who would carry that flag.  "Damn, he whooped your dumb asses and took your flag!"  I wouldn't want to see him continue to wear it though.

I'm inclined to take Waid at his word and since he is "willing to try" to listen, let him hear it anytime I feel he wanders off base or succumbs to a "priviledged" interpretation of facts. 

I find it interesting that they've chosen the iconic "Superman" motif for this story.  I really hope this alien doesn't start to look much more like Kal El or especially not Augustus Freeman (Icon).

Peace,

Mont





Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on July 28, 2015, 04:57:27 pm
I usually don't think whites can really go there when discussing racism or the past, they have to have an out, a white savior or something. It's hard for them to look at into the face of racism and see themselves in it. It's easier perhaps to put it all on KKK, redneck ogre kind of characters, that are not like the 'mainstream' whites. When in truth I think it's more complicated that that, and that the KKK variant-while extreme, might not be all that different than the mainstream when it comes to idea of white racial superiority. It's just doesn't come out as crude.

QFT! and insight.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on August 18, 2015, 12:38:19 pm
The status on Strange Fruit #2 has been changed to TBD (To Be Determined). Waid isn't notorious for late books but JG Jones on the other hand...
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Battle on August 18, 2015, 01:38:53 pm
The status on Strange Fruit #2 has been changed to TBD (To Be Determined).




Wha...   grrrr-r-r...!
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Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on October 13, 2015, 09:48:21 am
Finally #2!

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Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Mastrmynd on October 13, 2015, 10:57:40 am
oh man...I might have to find these books!
 ;D
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on October 13, 2015, 02:18:11 pm
oh man...I might have to find these books!
 ;D

Let me know if you can't find them, MM.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Mastrmynd on October 15, 2015, 11:48:19 am
lol.
I can't find them.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Marvelous on October 15, 2015, 11:52:08 am
lol.
I can't find them.

lol, message me with that addy and I'll get them to ya.
Title: Re: Strange Fruit?
Post by: Kimoyo on October 25, 2015, 09:03:47 am
Strange Fruit continues to be visually stunning!  I do want to see the Alien ditch the flag as his garment, but the pace of the story and a bit of exposition serve to support Waid's contention that it is more an act of derision at least from the perspective of the creative team.

The story still reads as credible to me however, it will be interesting to see how the characterization of the black engineer from Washington unfolds going forward as he appears to be making a provocative, if not unprecedented, play (particularly as a post-antebellum, black professional) to contribute to the unfolding situation.  Risky or ballsy, depending on one's view of Waid's authority, one of these terms definitely applies.  My two cents.

Peace,

Mont