Courtesy of UltimateTy at the CBR:Quote from: UltimateTy;2348163BP world of Wakanda #1 preview. I'm still not sure If i'll be buying this
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The Afua Richardson art is great here though
ill keep my fingers crossed but my expectations are below zero
I'm approaching this with caution, because I have a feeling it'll de-evolve into nothing more than throwing T'challa under the bus in a few issues. With the tired trope of (albeit flowery/eloquently phrased ") [i]men ain't -ish[/i]" rabbithole that far too many feminists (especially black feminists) can't help but go down.
I'll def check out the first issue, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned on how the characters will be portrayed in this book.
Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.
as was discussed in the CBR brother Ture the scenes with the Aneka and Ayo actually look like they are seizing atlatean spies as this takes place while Wakanda and Atlantis are at war. As for the scene with Zenzi, considering Coates mentioned that the Nigandans Pretty much turned on Kilmongers forces once he died, I think it may be safe to say that does not take place in Wakanda
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.
But.
If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.
I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.
Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.
Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.
This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.
Yes. I went 90's slang on you.
Anyway...
Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.
But.
If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.
I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.
Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.
Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.
This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.
Yes. I went 90's slang on you.
Anyway...
Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.
Spit on brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).
Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.
Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.
Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.
Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.
But.
If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.
I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.
Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.
Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.
This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.
Yes. I went 90's slang on you.
Anyway...
Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.
Spit on brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).
Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.
Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.
Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.
Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.
But here's the thing.
Coatesverse Panther is the "uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job" so I remain thoroughly nonplussed as to why you or anyone else, remain suprised at this pont?
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.
But.
If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.
I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.
Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.
Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.
This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.
Yes. I went 90's slang on you.
Anyway...
Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.
Spit on brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).
Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.
Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.
Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.
Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.
But here's the thing.
Coatesverse Panther is the "uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job" so I remain thoroughly nonplussed as to why you or anyone else, remain suprised at this pont?
Well my point was more so how this story could of been 1000x Better while Keeping the same story. At this point I'm not surprised or expecting for anything good really. Just hope (in vain) that he will do something that's not
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ROXANE GAY & TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • ALITHA E. MARTINEZ (A) Cover by AFUA RICHARDSON Variant Cover by NATACHA BUSTOS
DORA MILAJE NO MORE!
• T’Challa betrays all of Wakanda, forcing Ayo and Aneka to make the biggest decision of their lives
Remember this is back in Hickman's run lol. So calm down
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Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1
(W) Ta-Nehisi Coates, Roxane Gay, Yona Harvey (A) Alitha Martinez, Afua Richardson (CA) Skottie Young
"YOU DESERVED SO MUCH MORE, LITTLE FLOWER. YOU DESERVED A WAKANDA THAT CHERISHED YOU."
Writer ROXANE GAY (Bad Feminist, Hunger) spins a Wakandan love story - its tenderness matched only by its brutality. You know them now as The Midnight Angels, but in this story they are just Ayo and Aneka, young women recruited to become Dora Milaje, an elite task force trained to protect the crown at all costs. What happens when your nation needs your hearts and minds, but you already gave them to each other? Illustrated by industry veteran ALITHA E. MARTINEZ (Iron Man, Black Panther).
And in a special backup story, acclaimed poet YONA HARVEY (Hemming the Water) explores the true origins of The People's mysterious leader Zenzi. Black Panther thinks he knows who Zenzi is and how she got her powers, but he only knows part of the story... Illustrated by rising star AFUA RICHARDSON (Genius).
Rated T
In Shops: Nov 09, 2016
SRP: $4.99
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BLACK PANTHER... A THIRD TITLE
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It would be great if with the movie we get a third comic book that can retell the Black Panther from the beginning. A telling that highlights everything good about Black Panther and Wakanda while avoiding the missteps, inconsistencies, character assassinations and lackluster off panel action. Imagine a retelling that squarely focuses on T'challa and his greatness. Yea that's what we need a third title and a fresh start. This could be one of the true benefits of the high selling Coatesverse Panther and Gay World of Wakanda (if in fact it sells well too) and a blockbuster movie.
Roxane Gay details her new Marvel comic, World of Wakanda
BY NIVEA SERRAO
With Marvel’s Black Panther series debuting to critical acclaim, it only made sense that the comic book company would turn to its just-as-acclaimed writer, Ta-Nehisi Coates, for suggestions of potential writers to helm a spinoff series focusing on King T’Challa’s native land of Wakanda. Coates’ suggestion? None other than fellow bestselling writer, Roxane Gay. Now Gay, along with poet Yona Harvey, make Marvel history as the first black women to write for Marvel. In their series, World of Wakanda, Gay tells tales of the Dora Milaje, the Wakandan royal family’s elite all-women fighting guard, while Harvey focuses on female revolutionary Zenzi, who fights for her country’s rights.
“Historically, the Dora Milaje have served the Black Panther loyally and without question,” says Gay of Wakanda’s political climate when the series kicks off. “But because of a series of events that culminate in the current arc of Black Panther, the Dora Milaje are questioning their loyalty and their mission. World of Wakanda looks at how this evolution rises.” With World of Wakanda about to kick off on Nov. 9, EW caught up with Gay to discuss writing her first comic, her storytelling influences, and who she’d like to see pen their own comic.
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ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Everyone has some idea of what they’d like to see in a superhero comic. What did you want to do when Ta-Nehisi Coates first pitched you writing this series?
GAY: When Ta-Nehisi first approached me, I just knew that I wanted to write fierce women who could be as intimidating as they are intriguing. So far, I have been able to bring these characteristics into the women I am writing for World of Wakanda. Things are about to get really interesting as I work on the third issue so I am looking forward to that.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Readers may not be familiar with Black Panther. Was that something you were considering as you approached writing this series?
GAY It wasn’t my first consideration because for the most part, World of Wakanda can stand on its own. That said, I have had to think carefully about continuity within the Marvel universe, so I’ve tried to write into each issue what readers unfamiliar with Black Panther will need to know to fully appreciate the story I am telling.
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Writing comics is a very collaborative process. How has working with [artist] Alitha E. Martinez affected your storytelling?
Writing comics has forced me to think about storytelling in a much more fine-tuned manner. I also think a lot about how my ideas are going to look on the page. Every time I see Alitha’s art, I am just thrilled with how she takes my words and then adds her own interpretation. It’s unlike anything I’ve done before.
Your story in World of Wakanda focuses on Ayo and Aneka, two former Dora Milaje, as well as on their relationship. What were you most excited about when delving into them as characters, and as a couple?
I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe, and to write women who are lethal? That’s even better.
What is it about the Dora Milaje that speaks to you as a writer?
I love the idea of an elite unit of bodyguards comprised entirely of women who can take care of themselves and the people they are assigned to protect. It’s such a compelling role reversal.
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As a fan of pop culture in general, were there any non-comics works (shows/movies/music) that influenced or inspired you?
I have definitely thought a lot about Olivia Pope in season 1 of Scandal and the original USA version of La Femme Nikita.
Now that you’ve started writing comics, have you been reading more of them? Are there any series you’re a big fan of?
Absolutely. I wanted to read comics to get a more contemporary sense of the genre. I am loving Saga, and of course, Black Panther and I am about to dive into Sex Criminals.
Since Ta-Nehisi Coates suggested you as a writer for World of Wakanda, who are some writers you’d like to see take a Marvel comic series of their own?
I’d love to see the writer xTx take on a comic book series. She has a dark, engrossing and cinematic style that would lend itself well to the medium. Lily Hoang would write one hell of a comic and also, Morgan Parker, Saeed Jones, Karolina Waclawiak and Carmen Machado also come to mind.
Black Panther: World of Wakanda is currently available for pre-order and hits shelves Nov. 9.
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In her words a Black Panther comic about black queer women that doesn't need the Black Panther.
All the more reason to quote myself...QuoteBLACK PANTHER... A THIRD TITLE
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It would be great if with the movie we get a third comic book that can retell the Black Panther from the beginning. A telling that highlights everything good about Black Panther and Wakanda while avoiding the missteps, inconsistencies, character assassinations and lackluster off panel action. Imagine a retelling that squarely focuses on T'challa and his greatness. Yea that's what we need a third title and a fresh start. This could be one of the true benefits of the high selling Coatesverse Panther and Gay World of Wakanda (if in fact it sells well too) and a blockbuster movie.
With my combat expertise, I can write a rollickin BP if I found a artist that knew how to convey the fight scenes, acrobatics, etc in combo with the meditative, Afrikan natural scenes, Wakandan super science and mega magic scenes. And of course...the emotional face expressions and sexy/sexual scenes...
...but seriously. I think I can write a very good. Very powerful. Very action packed BP with lots of innovative applications of tech, magic, fight scenes, a total upgrade of his original Rogues' Gallery, a return of Achebe, and a lot more that should be done. I mean come on...Hunter is no sucka. He would NOT be off the grid for this long.
And Brother Voodoo would be a welcome addition to my BP. What with sheisty Zawaviri and Mendinao being noble but largely on his Watcher mode [ "I watch, I do not intervene" ] unless someone's trying to mess with the HSH? We need a Brother Voodoo around to slang the magicks plus be something other than the Black second rate Doctor Strange. In Afrika? Brother Voodoo would be UBANGIJI Vodun...LORD Vodun. Or if we gotta keep the DOCTOR title....aight. Don't like it. That's way more in the "witch DOCTOR" tradition than anything else.
RH had it right...write?...with having Blade ride with TChalla for a minute, too. When Somberr, the Zombie King [ new and improved..well, a lotta improvement anyway ] under my pen comes around? Doctor Voodoo could and would crush it. Sure TChalla has spanked him and would spank him solo, but...a good look would be Doctor Voodoo pimp slappin him too.
Lord Karnaj, Achebe, Hunter, etc etc comes to town? TChalla could spank all them heads solo, but having Blade around is a major help.
Basically? Take a good look at TChalla's old Rogues' Gallery and superhcharge them all.
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Moses Magnum. Baron Macabre. King Cadaver. The Dragon Circle. Colonel Fritz Klaue. Hellrazor. Madam Slay. Etc. All of em could be crazy ill if they had a major upgrade. They could each be major players in the MU as a whole...if given the kind of menace and upgrade and modernization that Priest gave to Mbaku [ a dude who I thought I would NEEEEEVEEER like ].
You'd definitely be a step up from Coates.
That was posted yesterday A.C. See what happens when stop attending meetings.
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Buy This Comic: Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1
BY AVRY OTT
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It has been a long week, and it is only Wednesday. Thankfully, Wednesday is the best day of the week, being that it is new comic book day. A bunch of great comics came out today, but this column is meant to focus on that one particular, must have comic that should be in everyone’s stack for the week. For my first installment, I am looking at Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1, by writers Ta-Nehisi Coates, Roxanne Gay, and Yona Harvey, as well as artists Alitha Martinez and Afua Richardson.
World of Wakanda is an unprecedented comic, for a lot of reasons. Let’s get this out of the way right now, World of Wakanda is a good comic book. I would go as far as to say a great comic. It is worth buying on those merits alone. Beautifully written, with great art on the main story and the backup, it is one of the best books I have read from Marvel or DC in awhile. However, what makes World of Wakanda especially interesting is the context in which it exists.
To begin, it is a spin-off of Marvel’s recent, successful Black Panther series, also written by Ta-Nehisi Coates. Black Panther is one of the first examples of a character that was previously relegated to being a C or D lister, elevated to the frontlines of superhero comic books through his inclusion in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Similar to how Doctor Strange recently received not only his own solo-series but also a spin-off series called Doctor Strange and the Sorcerers Supreme, right around the same time that his movie released. WoW is also made by a creative team comprised solely of people of color. The comic book industry, especially superhero comics, tend to be a straight, white, able-bodied men. This makes Roxanne Gay, who is coming off of her success with her book Bad Feminist, is one of the first woman of color to work for the company in a creative sense. Lastly, it starts two African women of color who are also in a same-sex relationship, further setting itself apart from the “traditional” superhero comic.
Again, the book is great on its own. It manages to be a fun introduction to Wakanda, while also doing wonders with the characters, having the reader solidly invested in the leads by the end of issue one. This book is special, and even if it isn’t your cup of tea, we need more comics created by and starring, people of color, and we need to support those comics, especially when they are as great as this one.QuoteComicosity Review: BLACK PANTHER: WORLD OF WAKANDA #1
Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1 takes us into the lives of the Dora Milaje, showing us what it looks like as they arrive, as they are initiated, and as they form the capacity for intimacy beyond serving together. I like how each of the story elements work together and that there are two primary stories that don’t have to compete for attention. We have the romance between Ayo and Aneka which changes the flair of each character as they train, but also the development of this force as a whole. It’s nice to see so many black women on the page and that they show us a range of emotionality. I look forward to seeing more personalities emerge and how they fit within the larger picture.
Roxanne Gay’s thoughtfulness in crafting the characters, particularly Ayo and Aneka, is exemplary to the point that I wish more writers would follow suit. Reading about the development of women tasked with being their country’s warriors was enough, as I liked the emergence of their unique skills. This relationship, though, is what I wanted to read the comic for and Gay provides an inclusive and authentic exploration into sexual orientation and how it manifests. Characters’ interactions seem fitting for the setting and nature of the story, and Gay has proven that writing these types of stories is absolutely possible.
Yona Harvey and Ta-Nehisi Coates’ exploration into Zenzi’s past reveals more of her motivations within the pages of Black Panther. World of Wakanda feels like the appropriate place to look at her past, providing a new context for her other appearances. This story reflects the pain and struggle of division and how we stratify culture even among the same people. Zenzi as a character is evocative and compelling, and Harvey and Coates explain her motivations and connections to Wakanda in a manner which reveals her as much less a villain than someone with a passionate determination to right the wrongs that surrounded her life.
Alitha E. Martinez hits many important touchstones when portraying black women. Their hairstyles are different, their bodies are different, and they reflect a range of emotionality and sensitivity. These cultural touchstones in art provided by Martinez pushes World of Wakanda #1 to a place we need more of in comics. I love Rachelle Rosenberg’s polished take on color. This entire issue is clean and fresh, offering an everyday kind of appeal to the visuals. Rosenberg’s style changes in the last page, the gloss of warm colors and shadows evoking the dread we will eventually face in the next issue, taking us from the normal day-to-day for Dora Milaje initiates into the reality of their role in Wakanda.
Afua Richardson’s art embraces Zenzi’s experiences growing up, including the complicated emotions which lead her to where she is now. With parts emotion, parts realism, and parts superhuman, Richardson conveys the various parts of Zenzi’s history which impact who she is now. The transitions from soft lines to the jagged appearance of emotion touch on the complexity of living in Wakanda and the fact that moments may quickly change from the soft veneer of everyday life to the rugged struggle for survival. Tamra Bonvillain tonally guides the reader through an emotional experience mirroring that of Zenzi’s. From the first page of the backup story to its foreshadowing ending, Bonvillain evokes feelings through colors which convey the joy of youth, the sadness of isolation, and the slight serenity of promise and dedication.
I appreciate the care and deliberation evident in the writing and art of this inaugural issue. In a world and in a time where people don’t respect nuance, World of Wakanda is daring to showcase the varying presentations we offer the world. The Dora Milaje is not a bevy of women solely cast as sexual objects; they are warriors, they are cunning, and they are different. This was an excellent creative team to give justice to the women of Wakanda and they have crafted something important in the context of comic and society.
The Verdict: 10/10
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Whoooaaaa, a 10/10?!?!
I get stuff like this is subjective...but a 10/10?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Yoooooo, that's BS.
So basically, people are afraid to criticize non comic writers
If the rushed, horrible dialogue, garbage by Gay is 10/10 then... god wtf man?
It is all too apparent that in comic books the Black Panther and Wakanda are to be made the stereotypical scapegoats of a destructive cultural paradigm transcribed and illustrated by so called black authors lacking any true depth, insight, creativity or imagination in defining an Afrofuturist, Afrakan centered, sovereign Afrakan nation who's title character is exemplary in all facets of leadership and heroism. These reviews read like the writings of non comic book readers who are complacent with seeing so called diversity and so called people of color literally littering the pages of a comic book. These reviewers posses a penchant for heralding and promoting the inconsequential and sub par works thus presented.
My two cents. (trademark and copyrights Mont aka Brother Kimoyo ;))
How much time did you spend making it????
Wait those are her Actual quotes??
Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda #2 outsells Coates' Black Panther #9
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Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.
These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])
The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.
These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])
The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.
With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.
If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.
WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.
These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])
The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.
With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.
If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.
WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.
These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])
The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.
With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.
If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.
WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.
I totally I called that this book would flop early. Unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the unmitigated hubris and delusions of both Gay and her pathetic, simp, sycophant, Coates (who is on the record saying that he's disregarding the fans) will continue this downward spiral.
The final issue of Roxane Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda
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is the book really canceled? How many issues did it last?
seems like there could be room for the series to continue as a semi-anthology, different writers taking on Wakandan characters at different points in history.
Ture,
Loving your Roxanne Gay posts. Are those actual quotes?
And I'm being petty right now but good riddance to World of Wakanda. I didn't buy one issue and I'm glad for that. However I can see Marvel putting Gay on another book to save face and to avoid criticism of letting her go.
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So far Given the interview the guy seems to like Kasper atleast and may do some good. The art looks good so far. I wonder if he will pull a Yona, Do well for the small amount of space he was given and make us wish it were him that wrote a 6 issue mini about kasper rather then Gay's boring ass MA story
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So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.
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So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.
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So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.
I can also see Coates liking Kasper because this the city Panther is really the kind of story Coates needs to be writing. I think he's on more comfortable ground writing about the issues and in the milieu that Kasper operated in during Priest's run. I wonder how well Coates would do if he wrote Daredevil, Moon Knight, or Punisher? Something that would allow him to write about urban life and crime without perhaps not as many racial/gender hangups for at least the main character in those books that he has for T'Challa.
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So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.
I can also see Coates liking Kasper because this the city Panther is really the kind of story Coates needs to be writing. I think he's on more comfortable ground writing about the issues and in the milieu that Kasper operated in during Priest's run. I wonder how well Coates would do if he wrote Daredevil, Moon Knight, or Punisher? Something that would allow him to write about urban life and crime without perhaps not as many racial/gender hangups for at least the main character in those books that he has for T'Challa.
I feel you EJ. I think Coates' leaning would be urban centered and most certainly place him in thematically familiar territories. Gay World of Wakanda, the Black Crew and Kasper's Visions of Wakanda are being marketed as palatable iterations of a too often sidelined main character.
Black Panther World of Wakanda should be an anthology of Wakanda's past, present and future all centered around the Black Panther. Stories of Wakandan submarines attacking slave ships; first contact with the Kree and Shiar; T'Challa's quest to perfect his martial training by fighting the best like Shang Chi and the warriors of Kun Lun. Go political by discussing Wakanda's manipulations to unify the Afrakan continent through their version of Pan Afrakanism.
Go all in with Black Panther World of Wakanda and have T'Challa do a discourse on alternate timelines and retcon everything back to the point before Doom ambushed him. Those events did not occur in the 616 universe and were a result of T'Challa using the Nowhere Room to be in multiple places at once and the cost was a far less than perfect replica of himself across multiple dimensions.
While T'Challa attempts to perfect the Nowhere Room he forms The Ultimates (instead of joining the Illuminati) and The Crew. He influences, manipulates and controls them as extensions of himself for the protection of Wakanda and the world.
Throughout much of the Black Panther's published history writers and editors have demonstrated a serious lack of imagination and comprehension concerning what an empowered, autonomous Afrakan nation and its leadership would look like. Time to put an end to such nonsense. Hire Afrakan centered visionary writers, editors and artist that can not only interpret the Black Panther but can consistently manifest such. Nuff said.
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So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.
Kasper was Coates' introduction to the BP-verse.
When Coates jumped into the Priest run, he got into it late, towards the tale end of it. The Kasper stories were the first BP stories he ever read.
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So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.
*sigh*
You've got it all figured out, eh?
I think its BS that Hela or whoever killed Proxima as that should of been a Wakandan vengeance story, of them hunting down the rest of the Cabal, Bu i wouldn't mind if we saw a Wakandan Alpha Flight with them taking to the stars and encountering some new alien race (or better yet, do an Event on the Origins of Vibranium and have them come to earth to get it back for their forces) and have Wakanda be at the forefront of the Event and Earth's secret weapon to stopping the Invasion [/size][/b]
Coates writer friend with no comic experience is writing this, not Coates
Worked out well with Gay....
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:-[
WoW is cancelled, there is no solicit for #7
I read something about that, somewhere... if memory serves, Marvel usually doesn't solicit limited series as such, because they never sell as well.
Marvel should be mindful about cheapening the Black Panther brand by using his name to sell poorly written books or discrediting and sidelining the main character. The buying audience came for the Black Panther, so why this focus on the Midnight Angels and Kasper?
I think you can do spin off issues on supporting cast like Kasper and MA...
but it should exist prop up T'challa. Not tear him down with subtle jabs.
The issue with the WoW MA issues is that they spent 5 issues telling us how much T'challa sucks at his job and how the Dora's were basically "his" to do with what he pleases
It wasn't until Shuri was back alive that anyone bothered to defend T'challa. T'challa didn't even defend T'challa until his conversation with Changamire.
So you get 7 issues of "T'challa sucks" narrative in his main book then 5 issues of "T'challa sucks" in a spin off book... for what is a lot of peoples first exposure to T'challa nad Wakanda. And they see an ineffectual king and a burning country.
All on the heals a movie where he was anything but weak and ineffectual.
Look at the popular iterations of the character (being blunt for bluntness sake)
Priest- took no sh*t... and completely re-invented the character
Hudlin- took no sh*t
MCU- took no sh*t.
So their response to this was... Coatsville and Gaysville?
I think you can do spin off issues on supporting cast like Kasper and MA...
but it should exist prop up T'challa. Not tear him down with subtle jabs.
The issue with the WoW MA issues is that they spent 5 issues telling us how much T'challa sucks at his job and how the Dora's were basically "his" to do with what he pleases
It wasn't until Shuri was back alive that anyone bothered to defend T'challa. T'challa didn't even defend T'challa until his conversation with Changamire.
So you get 7 issues of "T'challa sucks" narrative in his main book then 5 issues of "T'challa sucks" in a spin off book... for what is a lot of peoples first exposure to T'challa nad Wakanda. And they see an ineffectual king and a burning country.
All on the heals a movie where he was anything but weak and ineffectual.
Look at the popular iterations of the character (being blunt for bluntness sake)
Priest- took no sh*t... and completely re-invented the character
Hudlin- took no sh*t
MCU- took no sh*t.
So their response to this was... Coatsville and Gaysville?
Excatly, Coates and Gay have had this agenda from Day one and that has completely overshadowed continuity, character personality, and the Characters capabilities as well as Wakandas in general, and in the end the ended up making everyone look bad. Wakanda Losses in the End and makes the most advance nation on earth seems rather pathetic. Honestly If the Story atleast focused on both sides, rather then Everyone bandwagoning against T'challa (BP WOw should of focused on Shuri and the MA, showing the missing pieces hickman had to gloss over) and literally repeating the same lines over and over. Showing a lack of subtly and constant repetition in a bad way.
I Serious wonder why Marvel even thought it was a good idea to let T'Challa get torn down in such a horrible manner when his MCU counterpart came off as a take no Sh*t from anyone. All We can even hope for (unfortunately) is that now that Coates got to tell his bias story, he now decides to showing a better t'challa and not suckville.
Honestly Yona and Rembert from the brief showings we have seen of them have been the only ones out of the 4 of them to not completely sh*t on t'challa, Hell Rembert in the Preview has T'Challa have some damn balls and correct Kasper and that in itself has some of us here looking forward to the issue.. Which shows just how pathetic Coates and Gay have been in showcasing T'challa
The Stick is real??
Neat
By far the best issue of Black Panther World of Wakanda
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Best iteration of T'Challa in the Coatverse
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Best action art scenes in the Coatesverse
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Positive ending, potential start
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Does this Rembert dude hav ea twitter?
We should all find him and praise him if he does.
He seems to have talent for this. Didn't waste a single panel.
Might help to have a Vet with art too.
Can we get Bennet on the main book?
Does this Rembert dude hav ea twitter?
We should all find him and praise him if he does.
He seems to have talent for this. Didn't waste a single panel.
Might help to have a Vet with art too.
Can we get Bennet on the main book?
You can find him here:
https://twitter.com/rembert
I thought Kasper should have long ago been under the mentorship of Hunter the White Wolf to be trained as a Hatut Zeraze. That would have been an excellent buddy tale of travel, training and adventures that could have been told in the pages of WoW. While he and Hunter would develop a close bond as obvious Wakandan outsiders, Hunter's methods cause Kasper to go his own way thus becoming the Ghost Panther. Kasper gets the new costume (not sure I like the open mouth part but it does distinguish him and that I do like) from T"challa (as seen below) and is assigned to The Crew along with Sofija to represents T'Challa's interest. Kasper and Sofia have to become a couple of course.
In the pages of WoW I would have enjoyed reading about Shuri becoming head of Wakandan Design Group and wearing the Panther Armor she and her team constructed and use a code name like "Wild Cat". I couldn't think of a name off the top of my head so I just used that one. One good thing Coates did do was to ascribe an Afrakan translation to the name Black Panther. She could be a technophile and master business woman taking WDG to new heights. I would have her get involved with James Rhodes and have them adventure together before his demise. When she takes the mantle of queen the "Wild Cat" armor would distinguish her. Coates take on Shuri wasn't organic to me.
WoW could have told the story of the Dora Milajae. A tale of how two of Wakanda's best females for a king, males for a queen are selected and how they are charged with the responsibility of securing the future generations of Wakandan leadership. I never liked the idea of an army of Doras. Also the Hatut Zeraze should be both male and female.
WoW should have followed in the footsteps of Flags of Our Fathers and told stories of past Black Panthers, Wakandan involvement throughout history, first contacts and off world adventures. WoW could have told future tales of T'Challa and Wakanda ala Black to the Future.
The singular focus that must not be ignored is the inclusion of T'Challa and his impact on all things. His significance is paramount.
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.
It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.
It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.
Works for me.
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.
It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.
This right here, couldn't agree more Brother Ezyo! Kudos to my Brother Sal the "Chaos Bringer" for always telling it like it is! Brother Ture always first on the scene whether the news is good or bad! Rembert Browne just could be a revelation, his iteration of Kasper and T'Challa being the proverbial and loooong overdue "what" that the doctor ordered! So nice to read a competently composed, fan pleasing, superhero comic with actual action! Hopefully this is not a case of a broken clock having the right time once every 12 hours!?! I think we all agree..... It's about damn time!!!
Peace,
Mont
Yeah, sorry Ture, got my hands full right about now. I've been so turned off by the events in Coatesverse BP, I really didn't expect this to be any better. Pleasantly surprised by Brother Browne and genuinely happy to see Kasper return. How cool was it to have Bennet handling the pencils too!
You cats pretty much covered all I had to say about what came before. Don't think I could have more adequately expressed how disappointed I am with Coates year one, even the supposedly conciliatory #12. Wrong dude with the wrong plan for T'Challa. My two cents.
Peace,
Mont
His was an impressive start, no doubt. Perhaps I'm a little gun shy now, but let's see what else he has in store for us? Whatever the case, I would totally grant T'Challa and Wakanda a restraining order on Coates.
Peace,
Mony
His was an impressive start, no doubt. Perhaps I'm a little gun shy now, but let's see what else he has in store for us? Whatever the case, I would totally grant T'Challa and Wakanda a restraining order on Coates.
Peace,
Mony
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...
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Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...
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Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...
([url]http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg[/url])QuoteBlack Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...
([url]http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg[/url])QuoteBlack Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!
This is why I said that when R. Hudlin left the book, it was the beginning of the end for BP being properly done. Liss tried his darndest to makes the best of a crappy situation, but every writer since then has been on the scale of (in no particular order) fantastically mediocre to complete and utter crap. From deconstructionist hacks to "faux-woke" agenda driven liars whose pitiful imagination, rampant hubris, and high levels of cynicism bleeds in to everything they've written thus far.
Don't get me wrong, I know this is his house, but I'm no sycophant. So I'm not going to deny that there were one or things that I really didn't like about Hudlin's run. But they don't cancel out the entirety of his run and his overall depiction of BP. Which was my favorite one since Kirby. I liked Priests as a close third, but Hudlin's BP was flatout more fun to read.
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.
Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it. But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible. They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"
It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.
And often it's to the detriment of the character. Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion. One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.
So guess what happened in his very next appearance? Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe. :P
Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception. And once the first exception is made, the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".
That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.
I've thought that about the unconquered too. Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.
But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation. I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces. That's how they were introduced to us.
I think the compromise is to make them advanced from. The start, and then Tchalla pushes them even further, taking then to the next level, like a 100 year advancement atleast. Gives the best of both worldsI've thought that about the unconquered too. Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.
But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation. I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces. That's how they were introduced to us.
Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.
The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.
The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.
both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.
I think the compromise is to make them advanced from. The start, and then Tchalla pushes them even further, taking then to the next level, like a 100 year advancement atleast. Gives the best of both worldsI've thought that about the unconquered too. Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.
But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation. I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces. That's how they were introduced to us.
Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.
The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.
The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.
both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.
I've thought that about the unconquered too. Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.
But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation. I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces. That's how they were introduced to us.
Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.
The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.
The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.
both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.
I think the compromise is to make them advanced from. The start, and then Tchalla pushes them even further, taking then to the next level, like a 100 year advancement atleast. Gives the best of both worlds
Hmmmm something like...
- Wakanda begins with Bashenga, who unites the various tribes to protect the vibranium mound. Bast is impressed by Bashenga's spirit and blesses him as the Black Panther. They begin to worship Bast as the Panther God. The Line of Bashenga begins.
- Due to their location, they are mostly hidden from the world. They advance their technology at a pace faster than the rest of the world. The few who find Wakanda are dealt with quickly to protect the mound. Their technology + their fighting abilities + the black panther make them incredible formidable.
- They continue to advance at a faster pace despite getting more and more visitors from outsides.
The kicker is... mound is untouched. All efforts to use it turn out badly (mutates and such).
- Enter T'challa the polymath genius. He finally cracks the code on how to process raw vibranium into something useful and his mind goes wild with inventions. Instead of just "advanced" technologically... they are now advanced with Vibranium as well. Wakanda takes the next step in technological superiority.
BOOM
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.
Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it. But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible. They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"
It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.
And often it's to the detriment of the character. Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion. One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.
So guess what happened in his very next appearance? Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe. :P
Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception. And once the first exception is made, the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".
Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.
The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.
Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.
Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it. But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible. They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"
It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.
And often it's to the detriment of the character. Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion. One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.
So guess what happened in his very next appearance? Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe. :P
Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception. And once the first exception is made, the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".
Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.
The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.
Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.
I agree with much of what you said about brutha...
...but I would have had TChalla defeat Thanos. Even though I said before on this very HEF that I don't see TChalla beating Thanos without prep on a 1 on 1. That was kind of a hook. I was thinking that some of the Unfans would take the bait and either repeat that statemetn or ask me why that's the case...in order to use my response to diss TChalla elsewhere. Like the CBR.
I would have sprung the trap then: There is no way that TChalla wouldn't've been prepped for Thanos, because Wakanda has been prepped for Thanos for nearly as long as she has been prepped for Galactus. And...being King of the Dead...TChalla would be the literal living embodiment of the collective prep of Wakanda vs all of these galactic, universal, and/or reality destroying threats.
And the whole battle would have tremendously grand. I mean...Thanos murdered an entire world of warriors. Solo. With his bare hands. No powers. In addition? Thanos has terrifying mental, psi, mystic, and cosmic powers. Further, he has preposterous technological advancement, even for insanely advanced alien hypertech civilizations. Really and truly, the deck seems stacked insurmountably against Wakanda.
But. In the very last extreme, after countering and re-countering each other, I would have had Shuri channel a vastly overlooked but extreme. Tremendous power of Bast...and, during a planet wide , solar system wide, then dimension spanning, and finally a space spanning battle? I would have Shuri channel the power of the core of a galaxy [ or a portion of it ] via Bast's power as; as Bast is the fierce [ originally lioness goddess depiction ] daughter of Ra, and in the direct lineage of Atum.
As Shuri blasts Thanos with the power of half a galaxy of supernovas, TChalla Nowhere Rooms Thanos into a shunted off section of The Superflow, imprisoned in a M'Krann Crystal shard holding the power of a thousands black holes.
And that would be that, for The Mad Titan.
- Wakanda begins with Bashenga, who unites the various tribes to protect the vibranium mound. Bast is impressed by Bashenga's spirit and blesses him as the Black Panther. They begin to worship Bast as the Panther God. The Line of Bashenga begins.
- Due to their location, they are mostly hidden from the world. They advance their technology at a pace faster than the rest of the world. The few who find Wakanda are dealt with quickly to protect the mound. Their technology + their fighting abilities + the black panther make them incredible formidable.
- They continue to advance at a faster pace despite getting more and more visitors from outsides.
The kicker is... mound is untouched. All efforts to use it turn out badly (mutates and such).
- Enter T'challa the polymath genius. He finally cracks the code on how to process raw vibranium into something useful and his mind goes wild with inventions. Instead of just "advanced" technologically... they are now advanced with Vibranium as well. Wakanda takes the next step in technological superiority.
BOOM MindofShadow
I like the Mind of MoS on Wakanda's development and T'Challa's role! Relatedly, and as Brother SI astutely noted, if T'Challla had contingencies for Galactus, he damn sure would have contingencies for Thanos and his Black Order! It would have been bold and hindsight can be 20/20, but hope dope might it have been for TRO/Secret Wars II to have broken down to Reed vs Doom and T'Challa vs Thanos in such a way that Wakanda's resources, T'Challa's skill and contingencies for Thanos enabled he and Wakanda to defeat Thanos, without all the deconstruction, even while Reed took down the story's biggest bad, Doom? This would have been in keeping with the set up from Hickman's FF where Bast charged Reed with being T'Challa's brother-in-arms. I can't help but feel that neither Hickman nor Mavel thought enough of Black Panther to consider editing the story to enhance T'Challa's credibility while paying tribute once again to Reed.
My two cents.
Peace,
Mont
What better opportunity to show that Wakanda's rep as the most technologically advanced nation on Earth was more than just lip service!?! Major Marvel Editorial fumble IMO.
Thanks for the Wakandan coin Brother Ture!
Peace,
Mont
What better opportunity to show that Wakanda's rep as the most technologically advanced nation on Earth was more than just lip service!?! Major Marvel Editorial fumble IMO.
Thanks for the Wakandan coin Brother Ture!
Peace,
Mont
Wakanda Should be a major player in SE. I don't see how they wouldn't be considering what just happened and a Wakandan embassy is in NY as well as the Ultimates headquarters. They should heavily oppose Steve and there should be the threat of WWIII if something isn't done.
I'd love to see Moses Magnum in this movie somewhere.
I'd love to see Moses Magnum in this movie somewhere.
Moses Magnum is a character that would so benefit from migrating from the XMen world to that of the Black Panther. His country of Cannan is just chopping at the bit to engage Wakanda. A coalition between boarder countries Mohannda, Niganda and Canaan could prove quite formidable especially when they ally with AIM and Hydra; not to mention the machinations of the coalitions of Atlantis, Leumeria, Latveria and those of France, Belggium, USA and Britain. While in deep in interstellar space threats from the the Black Order and the Skrulls are maisfesting.
World War Wakanda - The Black Panther Slays the Marvel Universe.
Speaking of intergalactic.
On the return trip from the Skrull home world, perchance answering a distress call the Nyami battle cruiser carrying Black Panther, Storm and crew dock with a damaged space vessel and encounter a hive of...
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Having to make a forced landing on a world devoid of a bio electric field and no atmosphere the Black Panther, Storm and crew must repair their ship and survive the Alien onslaught.
A Marvel and Darkhorse crossover to help wash away the Coatesverse and usher in a new era Black Panther greatness. I think he is ready for a company crossover.
Of course you know this adventure with the Aliens put Wakanda in the crosshairs of the...
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reigniting the centuries long battle between Waknda and the Predators. Through the years of conflict the Predators manage to kill Wakandan warriors, some of their best but never a Black Panther. Now in the deep recesses of space, on a lifeless planet, with a damage ship, besieged by Aliens and devoid of the country of Wakanda's advance tech the Predators think they have all the advantage.
They are wrong.
#BPvA+P
Make it so.
Speaking of intergalactic.
On the return trip from the Skrull home world, perchance answering a distress call the Nyami battle cruiser carrying Black Panther, Storm and crew dock with a damaged space vessel and encounter a hive of...
([url]http://media.gq.com/photos/583ca03a563f0991463e5e5c/3:2/w_560/1_1389089745.jpg[/url])
Having to make a forced landing on a world devoid of a bio electric field and no atmosphere the Black Panther, Storm and crew must repair their ship and survive the Alien onslaught.
A Marvel and Darkhorse crossover to help wash away the Coatesverse and usher in a new era Black Panther greatness. I think he is ready for a company crossover.
Of course you know this adventure with the Aliens put Wakanda in the crosshairs of the...
([url]http://cdn2.darkhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/shane-black-teases-his-predator-reboot.jpg[/url])
reigniting the centuries long battle between Waknda and the Predators. Through the years of conflict the Predators manage to kill Wakandan warriors, some of their best but never a Black Panther. Now in the deep recesses of space, on a lifeless planet, with a damage ship, besieged by Aliens and devoid of the country of Wakanda's advance tech the Predators think they have all the advantage.
They are wrong.
#BPvA+P
Make it so.
Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything? These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often. Still could be a great story.
Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything? These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often. Still could be a great story.
Yea I Blame that on Coates and the artist for failing to think of scale and actually showing the "massive threat" Rather then having some of handed comments about it. It's just like the "legions that perished" fighting the DM,Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything? These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often. Still could be a great story.
LOL! Straight up Kip, can't argue that. Would it help if T'Challa fought several of them at once? For our story we may have to build them back up to the threat level that Supreme mentioned. Truth be told we have to get T'Challa and Wakanda up to speed as well. Lord, five half ass mutates are a threat to the country. SMH.
Not gonna lie. That sounds pretty dope. As for S.I, I think an intergalactic battle of that size would have to be atleast a year long event. Both of these I feel would need to be to really appreciate them
I neeeever liked how The Predators would be taken out by guys with guns. To me? The FIRST Predator is THEE Predator. Ole boi was just SMASHIN people, INCLUDING people with guns. No problem. Throw in the wicked skillz they showed when battling the Aliens in the ORIGINAL Predators vs Aliens? And we got something.
Yea I Blame that on Coates and the artist for failing to think of scale and actually showing the "massive threat" Rather then having some of handed comments about it. It's just like the "legions that perished" fighting the DM,Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything? These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often. Still could be a great story.
LOL! Straight up Kip, can't argue that. Would it help if T'Challa fought several of them at once? For our story we may have to build them back up to the threat level that Supreme mentioned. Truth be told we have to get T'Challa and Wakanda up to speed as well. Lord, five half ass mutates are a threat to the country. SMH.
when honestly the HZ kicked their asses pretty hard. Scale had been a weak Point in this BP series and they need to get it together. Priest had scale, Hudlin had scale, Aaron had scale McDuffie had scale. Coates... 5 wannabe hulk's and 2 dozen goons..
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0
Marvel should have done this comic.
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.
Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it. But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible. They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"
It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.
And often it's to the detriment of the character. Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion. One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.
So guess what happened in his very next appearance? Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe. :P
Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception. And once the first exception is made, the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".
Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.
The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.
Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.
I agree with much of what you said about brutha...
...but I would have had TChalla defeat Thanos. Even though I said before on this very HEF that I don't see TChalla beating Thanos without prep on a 1 on 1. That was kind of a hook. I was thinking that some of the Unfans would take the bait and either repeat that statemetn or ask me why that's the case...in order to use my response to diss TChalla elsewhere. Like the CBR.
I would have sprung the trap then: There is no way that TChalla wouldn't've been prepped for Thanos, because Wakanda has been prepped for Thanos for nearly as long as she has been prepped for Galactus. And...being King of the Dead...TChalla would be the literal living embodiment of the collective prep of Wakanda vs all of these galactic, universal, and/or reality destroying threats.
And the whole battle would have tremendously grand. I mean...Thanos murdered an entire world of warriors. Solo. With his bare hands. No powers. In addition? Thanos has terrifying mental, psi, mystic, and cosmic powers. Further, he has preposterous technological advancement, even for insanely advanced alien hypertech civilizations. Really and truly, the deck seems stacked insurmountably against Wakanda.
But. In the very last extreme, after countering and re-countering each other, I would have had Shuri channel a vastly overlooked but extreme. Tremendous power of Bast...and, during a planet wide , solar system wide, then dimension spanning, and finally a space spanning battle? I would have Shuri channel the power of the core of a galaxy [ or a portion of it ] via Bast's power as; as Bast is the fierce [ originally lioness goddess depiction ] daughter of Ra, and in the direct lineage of Atum.
As Shuri blasts Thanos with the power of half a galaxy of supernovas, TChalla Nowhere Rooms Thanos into a shunted off section of The Superflow, imprisoned in a M'Krann Crystal shard holding the power of a thousands black holes.
And that would be that, for The Mad Titan.
Too many Unfans at Marvel to let that happen.
I love that idea and to add to that, I would have had Wakanda hunt down the Black Order first. One by one I would have had them taken out. T'Challa and Shuri put together an elite team of Hatute Zaraze and Doras with specially outfitted armor and weapons(T'Challa's genius comes into play) to take them down. Shuri would get her one on one rematch with Proxima(on panel).
We know for sure that we would lose some HZs and DM so let them go out in a glorious battle with Thanos' army of minions like the Execution did against Hela's army in Walt Simonson's Thor run.
Ths should be an epic story with top talent hands on.
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0
Marvel should have done this comic.
That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther. T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.
Honestly what I want is very simple. On panel beating of Black dwarf. Wakanda repelling and defeating some huge threat (secret empire already teased us with something that needs to be fleshed out in another tie in book)QuoteNot gonna lie. That sounds pretty dope. As for S.I, I think an intergalactic battle of that size would have to be atleast a year long event. Both of these I feel would need to be to really appreciate them
I agree Ezyo.
Hey Beware Of Geek , I remember this pix.
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How about we make him one of T'Challa's ancestors who was in fact the first Black Panther to encounter and defeat a Predator.QuoteI neeeever liked how The Predators would be taken out by guys with guns. To me? The FIRST Predator is THEE Predator. Ole boi was just SMASHIN people, INCLUDING people with guns. No problem. Throw in the wicked skillz they showed when battling the Aliens in the ORIGINAL Predators vs Aliens? And we got something.
Completely agree SI. I like the Brood but thought it would be cool for the Black Panther to leave his comfort zone and have what would be the first of many cross company face offs.
How about we make him one of T'Challa's ancestors who was in fact the first Black Panther to encounter and defeat a Predator.
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0
Marvel should have done this comic.
That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther. T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.
Absolutely cosigned.
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0
Marvel should have done this comic.
That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther. T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.
Absolutely cosigned.
They go by fan votes alone. If it's close vote, they do an alternate ending too.
Honestly, I'd give BP the edge, simply because the Predator's tactics indicate a high degree of focus on sight... enhancing it or disguising it. But panthers hunt by sound and scent, not by sight alone. :)
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
BP arm barring SS is dumb
McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"
BP arm barring SS is dumb
McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"
Mcduffie :P
But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then
BP arm barring SS is dumb
McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"
Mcduffie :P
But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then
DD also beat Ultron with a stick.
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.
But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.
I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.
But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.
I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.
But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.
I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
No doubt about it.
BP arm barring SS is dumb
McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"
Mcduffie :P
But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.
But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.
I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
I would of loved to see McDuffie right a BP Solo.Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.
But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.
I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.
Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.
Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how. I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS. SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on. It's not the win, it's the how.
Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that. (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.
But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.
I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
No doubt about it.
I'm still annoyed that he was robbed of his chance to write the JLA without interference!
I remember McDuffie telling me his JLA plans, then about the editorial miscues, and his attempts to deal with them. Too bad for all of us.
I remember McDuffie telling me his JLA plans, then about the editorial miscues, and his attempts to deal with them. Too bad for all of us.
I am actually genuinely happy for the old head fans like you Ture.
This is like "Obama becoming president" level of "oh sh*t its happening" in the nerd world
Considering Captain America has a new costume ever movie and sometimes two costumes in one movie; a new costume for BP wouldn't be surprising.
his costume has definitely changed, at least later in the movie. Both the helmet and the weave
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plus... the CGI isn't even close to finished yet.
Marvel's posters are notoriously sh*tty lol
weave looks more comic accurate lol. but i think ni like the old one more
i like the new neck piece better. and the elbow and knee pieces.
but helmets look dumb in this picture lol. But I know the head piece in the movie was dope so I have faith the second one will be too
The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED!
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Black Panther' Teaser Trailer Racks Up 89M Views in First 24 Hours
17,723,257 views and counting on YouTube
With an impressive 89 million views, the first trailer for Marvel's Black Panther clawed past the second teaser for Star Wars: The Force Awakens to become the tenth most-watched trailer in the first 24 hours.
When compared to other Marvel films, the 89 million views ranks third best. Thor: Ragnarok set a new Marvel with 136 million views in just 24 hours. Before that, Captain America: Civil War held the flag for Marvel with 94 million views.
"Legend Has It” by Run the Jewels
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'Black Panther' trailer's so lit it's burning up the charts
weave looks more comic accurate lol. but i think ni like the old one more
i like the new neck piece better. and the elbow and knee pieces.
both helmets look dumb in this picture lol. But I know the head piece in the movie was dope so I have faith the second one will be too
I actually prefer the new look. I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me.
I actually prefer the new look. I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me.
In pictures I can agree.
But it never looked too busy on screen imo. Looked great.
Niw the cartoon version.... ugh lol
I actually prefer the new look. I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me.
In pictures I can agree.
But it never looked too busy on screen imo. Looked great.
Niw the cartoon version.... ugh lol
When is Marvel gonna get into that DC level animation lol
I like the old costume better. Never looked too busy on screen, it only looked bad ass far as i was concerned.
This new costume, it's the helmet that's going to take getting used to. Tho the first time i saw him running towards the end of the trailer, it actually reminded me of Hudlin's Panther with the cutout eyes lol
But yea, didn't he have the old costume at the start of the trailer when he was rudely attacking those innocent, god fearing mercenaries and smugglers?
I like the old costume better. Never looked too busy on screen, it only looked bad ass far as i was concerned.
This new costume, it's the helmet that's going to take getting used to. Tho the first time i saw him running towards the end of the trailer, it actually reminded me of Hudlin's Panther with the cutout eyes lol
But yea, didn't he have the old costume at the start of the trailer when he was rudely attacking those innocent, god fearing mercenaries and smugglers?
I don't know how to classify this article. She admits she is part of the problem, but wants Marvel to change to suit her. I admit I think Marvel should change it policies, but I also participate in the current scheme.
Short version: WoW gets cancelled. I don't like that, but I haven't read an issue because I'm waiting for the trade. New article too. lol
[url]http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-13/black-panther-world-wakanda-cancelled-im-reason-superhero-comics-are-struggling[/url] ([url]http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-13/black-panther-world-wakanda-cancelled-im-reason-superhero-comics-are-struggling[/url])
Waitagoddamnsecond... when are sales coming out?
We haven't shat on ultimates2, bp, bp:wow or bp:crew sales from last month yet. No MoS updated charts.
Waitagoddamnsecond... when are sales coming out?
We haven't shat on ultimates2, bp, bp:wow or bp:crew sales from last month yet. No MoS updated charts.
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.
What do you feel about a black Priest era habit with Priest era gold highlights...and where there are silver accents, replace those with glittering gold accents? Basically THIS HABIT, without the visible cape, just midnight black where the blue is..
(https://worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/black-panther-tchalla-8.jpg)
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.
I agree.
(https://i.dawn.com/large/2017/06/593ba20a3f652.jpg)
I don't like the open eye slits and especially dislike the eyebrow design.
By the way I really dig your artwork.
There was that lovely custom with the CW habit in gold/bronze:
[url]http://io9.gizmodo.com/that-new-black-panther-movie-costume-youve-been-seeing-1794231544[/url] ([url]http://io9.gizmodo.com/that-new-black-panther-movie-costume-youve-been-seeing-1794231544[/url])
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?
BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2409284.1445641151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/walking-dead.jpg)
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/6q6iJkAi15mBa/giphy.gif)
(http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/51c1643d2b354a34ca6ec0b10dd4b977.gif)
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."
The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"
(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"
(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."
(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"
(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"
(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"
(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."
(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."
(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"
(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."
(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)
(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?
(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."
Meanwhile back in Wakanda...
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(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."
Forgot my boi Nick...
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?
BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE
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(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."
The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"
(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"
(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."
(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"
(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"
(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"
(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."
(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."
(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"
(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."
(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)
(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?
(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."
Meanwhile back in Wakanda...
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(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."
Forgot my boi Nick...
This right here? Has GOTTA BE THE DOPEST POST OF THIS YEAR. Rilly doe.
T'Challa been done whipped up a subquarkian operational, Thrice Bast and Auser Blessed, Hunter-Seeker Anti-Zombie Virus that seeks out specifically magic, psi, viral, tech, and other manifestations of zombies. Paralyzes them. Reverse engineers the Viral Zombies back to their pre-Zombie state [ while fixing various significant imperfections in their pre-Zombie state: the blind can see; the paralyzed can walk, the deaf can hear, etc ], while using Holy Magic to destroy the Unholy Zombies utterly and completely.
T'Challa didn't even have to be awakened for this. None of the Royals had to direct their attention to this matter. Wakandan Spy Ring got the info and handled the biz as part of their daily intelligence reports. Next.
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?
BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE
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(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."
The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"
(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"
(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."
(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"
(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"
(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"
(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."
(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."
(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"
(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."
(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)
(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?
(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."
Meanwhile back in Wakanda...
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1d19dee971451605bdf831f4149d949/tumblr_otui53YmkD1tlgqkgo1_500.gif)
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."
Forgot my boi Nick...
This right here? Has GOTTA BE THE DOPEST POST OF THIS YEAR. Rilly doe.
T'Challa been done whipped up a subquarkian operational, Thrice Bast and Auser Blessed, Hunter-Seeker Anti-Zombie Virus that seeks out specifically magic, psi, viral, tech, and other manifestations of zombies. Paralyzes them. Reverse engineers the Viral Zombies back to their pre-Zombie state [ while fixing various significant imperfections in their pre-Zombie state: the blind can see; the paralyzed can walk, the deaf can hear, etc ], while using Holy Magic to destroy the Unholy Zombies utterly and completely.
T'Challa didn't even have to be awakened for this. None of the Royals had to direct their attention to this matter. Wakandan Spy Ring got the info and handled the biz as part of their daily intelligence reports. Next.
Hmm, from the trailer, was there any indication of magic in MCU Wakanda?!? I think it's time for another trailer with more!!!
Originally Posted by CBR's Ziggiyy
I’m sorry but that sh*t rubs me the wrong way.
A black man elevating and writing BLACK characters should be a matter of pride, not something to shun because you wanna elevate White characters. All of those white characters are going to be just fine, but a historically terrible character like Cyborg would benefit GREATLY from someone of Priest’s talent actually making him more than a pathetic weasel
I mean, I'll check it out, but i don't think he would be absolutely reckless like that but W/e i'll still take a look
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol
I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol
Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]
I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Good question!
My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".
I'm not impressed that the second view fans will see of MCU!BP is of an arrogant & reckless neophyte. You just KNOW some unfan is going to use this as ammunition.
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol
Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]
I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Good question!
My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".
That leads to another question I have. Can weapons made of pure vibranium hurt you? At the point of impact wouldn't it absorb the friction necessary to hurt something or someone?
I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
Their billing it as early years right? New to power and super overconfident?
Cool, I can except some arrogance and overconfidence at that point in his career. Batman and Spiderman had similar failings early on.I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
Their billing it as early years right? New to power and super overconfident?Spoiler (click to reveal)Yes, 10 year's ago Tchalla had been BP for a week and Tony just told the world he is Iron Man.[/size][/b]
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol
Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]
I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.I read the BP Prelude[/size][/b]Spoiler (click to reveal)It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Good question!
My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".
That leads to another question I have. Can weapons made of pure vibranium hurt you? At the point of impact wouldn't it absorb the friction necessary to hurt something or someone?
*Still waiting for that proof that T'Challa is a super genius as well*
*Still waiting for that proof that T'Challa is a super genius as well*
I've given up on that frankly.
I think he will be smart... ie able to understand shuri when she goes full nerd mode.
But I dont think he will be on that Tony Stark/Banner/Pym/Shuri level though. At least not in science. Maybe in strategy ala Cap or something.
This is how you know something is wrong witht the universe. If it doesn't have Coates name on it it must be bad. lol
[url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url] ([url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url])
These two at least put some effort to give something un Coates related a fair review.
[url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url] ([url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url])
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url] ([url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url])
Not gonna lie, I’d consider this prelude issue for Black Panther lacking. I don’t know if the writing by Coates has spoiled me rotten, but I ain’t ever compromising on a Black Panther title. Nope. Better come correct or get up out the kitchen!
This is how you know something is wrong witht the universe. If it doesn't have Coates name on it it must be bad. lol
[url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url] ([url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url])
These two at least put some effort to give something un Coates related a fair review.
[url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url] ([url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url])
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url] ([url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url])
Well, let's be honest, Brother Ezyo. Marvel Super Hero Squad felt better than Coates. :D
Marvel isn't going to do a thing to make the comics line up with the movies, other than slapping the BP name on as much material as they can.
I mean, look at Doctor Strange. He gets a full ongoing in time for the movie, and what do they do? Immediately depower him, and spend MONTHS having him mope around, barely able to cast a spell.
The movie hits DVD, and he's still depowered. They don't even give him back the two artifacts most closely associated with him in both the movies & comics. Just an axe. That goddamn bloody axe.
The character appears in ANOTHER movie, and... the next issue has someone else holding his mantle (including at least one of the artifacts that was supposedly destroyed).
I waited over two years for a Strange comic that even looks like either the character I grew up with, or at least the movie version. I finally gave up.
No offense to Mr. Narcisse, but as far as I'm concerned, Marvel Comics can go hang.
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.
Art looks good. Not sure how I feel about the an Afrakan woman collaborating with the Nazis assuming such is true. I wonder if they are in South Africa or Wakanda reason being the woman reaction and the construction equipment. Really appreciate the goddess,Panther God and possibly an ancestor or deity picture. Cap choke hold looks cover worthy. This may be just the thing to start countering the Coatesverse. Fingers crossed.
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.
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Gotta have some regalness when not kicking ass.
Tchalla needs his cape or the lion head thing he likes when meeting namor
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.
Art looks good. Not sure how I feel about the an Afrakan woman collaborating with the Nazis assuming such is true. I wonder if they are in South Africa or Wakanda reason being the woman reaction and the construction equipment. Really appreciate the goddess,Panther God and possibly an ancestor or deity picture. Cap choke hold looks cover worthy. This may be just the thing to start countering the Coatesverse. Fingers crossed.
If you mean the woman in this pic:
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she's not African at all. That's Warrior Woman of the Super-Axis:
[url]http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_%28Earth-616%29[/url] ([url]http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_%28Earth-616%29[/url])
Will Marvel Phase Four include the introduction of the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU? Some news is circulating about Fox favoring Disney as a buyer for their studio and media assets.
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/fox-is-said-to-favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets[/url] ([url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/fox-is-said-to-favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets[/url])
While this would mean a complete recasting of the Fantastic Four, technically speaking this class of X-Men is transferable.
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For nostalgia sake it would be cool to see some of these heroes meet up.
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Re-purposing the MCU for their inclusion shouldn't be to complicated but it maybe anticlimactic. I think we may be nearing the end of the mega superhero crossover with Avengers Infinity Wars. However before we reach this conclusion let's not overlook the elephant in the room.
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So many questions, so many concerns. Can Shipp's acting stand up to Boseman's? Does Storm need to be recast? How does the damage done in the comics affect their MCU potential? Is it even necessary now that we have Nakia?
As slow as the movie Universe moves, we'll have a new actor in the role of BP before they could get to their relationship.
As slow as the movie Universe moves, we'll have a new actor in the role of BP before they could get to their relationship.
I thought T'chadwick was only like 37-38?
Bot that I want her in the BP verse anyways (not unless there was a HUGE editorial change that forced x writers to cut the bs) but he ain't that old I didn't think
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
Let's not job out the women of our mytho for one of theirs again.
I thought we learned our lession and weresmarterbetter than that.
revamped Nakia and revamped Monica should be the priority. And they can do a fanservice tease of that other woman in whatever big crossover event they have planned in the early 2020s.
Chadwick just turned 41 week or two ago. He's not going away anytime soon.
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Let's not job out the women of our mytho for one of theirs again.
I thought we learned our lession and weresmarterbetter than that.
revamped Nakia and revamped Monica should be the priority. And they can do a fanservice tease of that other woman in whatever big crossover event they have planned in the early 2020s.
Chadwick just turned 41 week or two ago. He's not going away anytime soon.
41 going on 28
dude doesn't crack lol
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?
I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this? More cockroaches?
Sheeesh. It ain't even been two weeks
Tell me y'all dealt with that fan's ignorance bc I made a half assed promise to avoid bashing the character if it could be helped, out of respect to one of the cooler storm fans who "gets it".
But all pacts will be void if this alleged reckless behavior continues
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?
I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this? More cockroaches?
Sheeesh. It ain't even been two weeks
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?
I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this? More cockroaches?
Sheeesh. It ain't even been two weeks
They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die. so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
my only hope with Voodoo is that he has "cornered" some part of Magic that strange or even the AO may not know well.
So he is "superior" to Dr Strange in this one type of magic, even if Strange is the sorcerer supreme.
You already got Wong as the funny sidekick and hsi black sidekick just turned villain so.
This is everything we need in film and comicbooks.
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This is everything we need in film and comicbooks.
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All i see is irrefutable facts in this post.
This is everything we need in film and comic books.
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This is the woman Black Panther deserves.
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NAKIA IS HERE. LONG MAY SHE REIGN!!!
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deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?
I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this? More cockroaches?
Sheeesh. It ain't even been two weeks
They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die. so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..
I'm not sure I've ever ventured in there, out of respect (And not wanting a headache). But sounds like there is no respect. They better be careful, Valentine's weekend is coming up soon and it may be a cold one. I'll bring the snow machine into that bitch.
I still remember people acting like Steve and Buck had to costar in BP's film to ensure success lmao.
Methany and Namor can stay the he'll away too, I agree.
We need more black heroes to super team with BP. I'll be keeping an eye on how they introduce Voodoo in Dictor Strange 2. They better make him independent and not some inferior sidekick
deal could be done next week....
i seriously can't stand her fans
this might break my fandom lol
There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?
I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this? More cockroaches?
Sheeesh. It ain't even been two weeks
They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die. so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..
I'm not sure I've ever ventured in there, out of respect (And not wanting a headache). But sounds like there is no respect. They better be careful, Valentine's weekend is coming up soon and it may be a cold one. I'll bring the snow machine into that bitch.
I still remember people acting like Steve and Buck had to costar in BP's film to ensure success lmao.
Methany and Namor can stay the he'll away too, I agree.
We need more black heroes to super team with BP. I'll be keeping an eye on how they introduce Voodoo in Dictor Strange 2. They better make him independent and not some inferior sidekick
Has it been confirmed that Voodoo will appear in Dr Strange?
So this "storm propelled T'challa" sh*t pissed me off
[url]http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2017/12/black-panther-myth-storm-is-reason-for.html[/url] ([url]http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2017/12/black-panther-myth-storm-is-reason-for.html[/url])
summary for a really like article with lot sof numbers (tldr)
- Black Panther has had over 190 comics, Storm has had 29.
- During Storm's heydey in the 90's, she was not associated with Black Panther.
- Storm had nothing to do with Priest's run, which made T'challa a character capable of holding a long solo book.
- Storm, vol 2 used T'challa to boost its sales.
- The Marriage resulted in a one comic boost in sales only.
- The Marriage issue was the only time Storm ever increased BP sales. One issue.
- X-men: World's Apart used the Black Panther mythos.
- Not one time has there been a Black Panther story that spun out of the Storm mythos.
- The current rise of Black Panther's ability to sell came after the marriage and includes a solo book, multiple spin offs, a solo movie, and a cartoon.
- Storm has used Black Panther for a boost in her sales, not the other way around.
MOS do you mind if I post that article on the CBR BP thread? Greatly written.
I don't know why people are assuming the movie will follow the plot of the comics...
ANY of the comics...
Just because Disney MIGHT get the X-Men back?
I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestlyDisney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestlyDisney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
If you're black and you hate someone calling out racism. You clearly don't like being black.Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestlyDisney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.
Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.
Congrats on ur achievement
If you're black and you hate someone calling out racism. You clearly don't like being black.Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestlyDisney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.
Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.
Congrats on ur achievement
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestlyDisney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..
I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful
I guess I've just got too much real-world anxiety to lose sleep about what MIGHT happen 3-4 movies down the road.
If you're black and you hate someone calling out racism. You clearly don't like being black.Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestlyDisney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.
Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.
Congrats on ur achievement
Ill wait for that quote too.
I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful
I guess I've just got too much real-world anxiety to lose sleep about what MIGHT happen 3-4 movies down the road.
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..
It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..
It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.
A shuri lead book had 12....
lulz
i fixed the post.
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.
I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.
Ok, now I'm done.
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.
I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.
Ok, now I'm done.
Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS
and a totally different type of film
There are natural action set pieces built in
- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1
while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3
mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.
I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.
Ok, now I'm done.
Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS
and a totally different type of film
There are natural action set pieces built in
- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1
while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3
mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.
I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.
Ok, now I'm done.
Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS
and a totally different type of film
There are natural action set pieces built in
- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1
while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3
mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)
I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie. I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura.
Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable. There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next. And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise. Minus the specific details
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..
It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.
A shuri lead book had 12....
lulz
i fixed the post.
I pointed that out and Butterfly shook all the salt from herself that she could muster and told me that my attempts at being clever were delusional and that I was beneath her attention...
Over the course of multiple paragraphs, in multiple posts, which she edited multiple times. You know, because I'm not worth her time.
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.
I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.
Ok, now I'm done.
Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS
and a totally different type of film
There are natural action set pieces built in
- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1
while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3
mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)
I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie. I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura.
Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable. There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next. And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise. Minus the specific details
extra unpredictable since a SWAD/invasion story is out after Infinity War. Can't really beat a Black Order invasion lol.
"coming for the throne" using M'baku seems unlikely because its too similar to Killmonger.
And thats all his rogues LOL. There is always the Malice (why isn't nakia in infinity war...) route with Achebe but... eh
I am still thinking its gonna be namor/atlantis related. except you need a 3rd party manipulating things to act as the "big bad" in the end. Unless they go full villain with Namor of course.
I mean, i don't peruse that board anymore but... don't they have a storm thread and a storm/bp thread they could be showering praise on storm willy nilly with no pushback?
That toxic woman aside,
It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding.
The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was. But now here everything is on the table.
i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.
I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.
Ok, now I'm done.
Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS
and a totally different type of film
There are natural action set pieces built in
- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1
while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3
mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)
I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie. I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura.
Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable. There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next. And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise. Minus the specific details
extra unpredictable since a SWAD/invasion story is out after Infinity War. Can't really beat a Black Order invasion lol.
"coming for the throne" using M'baku seems unlikely because its too similar to Killmonger.
And thats all his rogues LOL. There is always the Malice (why isn't nakia in infinity war...) route with Achebe but... eh
I am still thinking its gonna be namor/atlantis related. except you need a 3rd party manipulating things to act as the "big bad" in the end. Unless they go full villain with Namor of course.
That's going to be the underlining issue coming up. The whole "coup d'etat" is played out after the first time you do it, and Thrillmonger already got first dibs on that. And so, M'Baku, Tetu, Achebe... yawn. Now, a slightly re-purposed Achebe with that Keith Ledger Joker vibe... that could be something. Although I guess that vibe would be more of a Mephisto vibe, who is someone i think should be a big bad; the or a manipulator of something. Just don't know how kid-friendly showing devils on screen would be for mickey tho and might be too abstract for BP to punch outside of that one time.
Maybe Namor, though that'd be a lot going on depending on when they would introduce him. And typically the first 2 solo movies seem more self-contained, with the 3rd film being the one where it's guest appearances and f*ckery galore. Outside of IM 3, which was just Tony and a kid talking.
Marvel.com did an interview with Priest, Mcgregor and Hudlin on the BP Annual
https://news.marvel.com/comics/81634/black-panther-return-macks/?linkId=45590849 (https://news.marvel.com/comics/81634/black-panther-return-macks/?linkId=45590849)
T’Challa’s, like, the last noble man on earth. I am by no means anywhere near that noble, but I aspire to be well, if not good, at least as good as I personally can manage. That’s the best any of us can do. Dude: be as good as you personally can manage. Eat your vegetables. Do your best. Keep your word.
It feels weird to read three guys talk about tchalla... positively.
It feels weird to read three guys talk about tchalla... positively.
GOAT avi.
I'm kinda jealous
I wish Marvel would let each of these three and Liss do an OGN.
The let Starlin do three and several monthly mini series about Thanos, so why not let BP get some shine now that he's about to be A list.
I wish Marvel would let each of these three and Liss do an OGN.
The let Starlin do three and several monthly mini series about Thanos, so why not let BP get some shine now that he's about to be A list.
Priest seems to be doing bigger things since he got ahold of Deathstroke and Justice League
Hudlin has movie estuff and 15 milestone comics lol
They likely aren't even interested :(
I wish Liss got in on this annual... i wouldn't mind seeing Sonja and T'challa team up for some street shenannigans again. Typhoid Mary likely needs knocked the f*ck out again lol
Don McGregor, the foundation-building scribe behind stories like “Panther’s Rage,” teams up with artist Daniel Acuna for a tale that takes King T’Challa out of Wakanda and onto the streets of New York for a gripping mission. Then, former BLACK PANTHER writer Christopher Priest will be joined by artist Mike Perkins for a story starring friend of Wakanda Everett K. Ross. And last but not least,[Reginald Hudlin], the man behind “Who is The Black Panther?” and the director the recent film “Marshall”—starring the MCU’s T’Challa himself, Chadwick Boseman—will reunite with artist Ken Lashley for a sequel of sorts to their classic, “Black To The Future!”
Don McGregor: I had to research everything that would create the intricate details of Wakanda. Jack [Kirby] and Stan [Lee] had established it, but it was more a concept in those early stories,
Reginald Hudlin: He’s the African equivalent of Captain America. In the same way Cap embodies all that is good about America, The Panther symbolizes all that is great about Africa.
Reginald Hudlin: Some fans on my web site asked me what story I would write if I ever came back to the character. There are a few I have in mind, but my favorite is a big epic story called World War Wakanda. It would be one of the big companywide crossovers. I only had six pages to tell my story, so I did an epilogue where you get glimpses of the result of the story It also functions as a follow up to the “Black to The Future” story I wrote for the very first BLACK PANTHER ANNUAL.
(https://i.imgur.com/zPDrcxH.jpg)
#queennakia
Interesting, he thought BP in space as a "jumping the shark" moment. (Not sure why?)
Most of what Priest is saying there makes a lot of sense, and I get why he would want to write other characters and not be pigeonholed...but geeze...his gleeful "thankfulness" towards the DC editors letting him write white characters is embarassing...like dude, calm down.
Frankly, I'd love to see a new, competent writer take on T'Challa since Priest is no longer interested and though I respected his ideas, was not the biggest fan of Hudlin's take. For instance, I'd LOVE to see what Tom King, who is doing amazing work on Batman and other books like Mister Miracle, would do with T'Challa.
Its a tale of two writers. Lol
Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.
His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.
The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.
Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.
Didn't care much for the interview.
Don't care much for the focus on Ross.
Didn't care for the obsession to write white characters.
I've never read a comic interview where a writer bashed another writer's work when asked about it. But this pattern of using qualifiers like 'i read some of it', 'however i don't really read comics' and abstract praise for writers finding a new voice for the character rather than talking about that voice with the same energy you did when it came to the Russos' interpretation in Civil War.. i didn't care much for that either.
He bashed the Russo's casting of T'Chaka in Civil War b/c buddy didn't look like he could bench 315lbs, and bashed em for how T'Challa didn't all but declare war after buddy's death. But I'm sure the Russos were just being brilliant and uniquely their own as well.
He certainly snapped me out of the nostalgia i had going into the annual.
Its a tale of two writers. Lol
Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.
His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.
The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.
Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.
Its a tale of two writers. Lol
Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.
His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.
The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.
Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.
Anyone have a link ? Thanks!
Priest has been like this for awhile. And a lot of his isms seem to have been amplified since he has been "back."
and yeah... he may be talking nice about MCU T'challa now but he straight up went after the Civil War version, which while ultimately controlled by the Russos, Coogler was heavily involved in T'challa's part.
He tends to float into variations of "get off my lawn" and "I need approval" very often in interviews.
It doesn't affect my enjoyment of Priest's run because Priest has always bene like this lol.
But, there has only been one single writer of T'challa that was ride and die with T'challa and that was Hudlin. People may not talk as highly about his run as others and may dislike it 100% (which is fine, different strokes ect), but you cannot argue that he didn't ride or die with TCHALLA. no other writer can say that (well maybe liss but he didn't have the power to do anything about it lol)
Its a tale of two writers. Lol
Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.
His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.
The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.
Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.
Anyone have a link ? Thanks!
[url]http://www.amc.com/shows/robert-kirkmans-secret-history-of-comics[/url] ([url]http://www.amc.com/shows/robert-kirkmans-secret-history-of-comics[/url])
It is episode 5. You need cable signing creditials to watch on the websites or app. Might be available on YouTube by now though.
Priest has been like this for awhile. And a lot of his isms seem to have been amplified since he has been "back."
and yeah... he may be talking nice about MCU T'challa now but he straight up went after the Civil War version, which while ultimately controlled by the Russos, Coogler was heavily involved in T'challa's part.
He tends to float into variations of "get off my lawn" and "I need approval" very often in interviews.
It doesn't affect my enjoyment of Priest's run because Priest has always bene like this lol.
But, there has only been one single writer of T'challa that was ride and die with T'challa and that was Hudlin. People may not talk as highly about his run as others and may dislike it 100% (which is fine, different strokes ect), but you cannot argue that he didn't ride or die with TCHALLA. no other writer can say that (well maybe liss but he didn't have the power to do anything about it lol)
Hit the nail on the head with this. Honestly,
as I said earlier, priest would respect and write a good Bp if he came back, o know this already, even if in the interview he says he does not know what he would do.. he does, he just doesn't want to then be out into only writing Black Characters. Which is whatever if he doesn't. If I were writing comics I wouldn't care, I personally would like to write BP and an Avengers World style Ultimates team And redo the line up a little and have Tchalla being the true leader and not the one who lacks star power..
But point being, I really hate how folks always say Priest I'd underrated and doesn't get the respect he deserves while not mentioning Hudlin. Dude went rode with Tchalla, he put him on the map, he had him interacting heavily with the rest of the MU, he made Priest get the recognition he deserves for his Run.. and both one gives him his props and frankly that's bullisht. Hudlin Is a real MVP just like Priest and I would 100% want him to finish up his stories. There is a Reason he had the most successful BP run to date..
i am kind of sick of BP being used as a learning platform for journalists. Get the growing pains out on Morbius or Spitfire or some other Z lister. Not Black Panther MindofShadowAgreed. Hire someone who knows how to write and in this particular case is well informed about Afrakan autonomy and Afro-Futurism and not apprehensive about expressing it.
I think CP's situation is a little unique. Keep in mind that a generation ago Priest was writing stories for Marvel/DC A-List characters, but after BP, all they offered him was black characters as if all of a sudden he couldn't do anything else. So, I kind of get him being a little salty. It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus.
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...
QFT!It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...
Facts. Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.
Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans? About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client. Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry
Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter. That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with.
What Ezyo said, plus I'd like to add on that writing "white" characters in a main book like the ones listed isn't the same as being given those characters' actual books to take steward of. Priest from what I know has never been given Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, Batman, or others listed to take actual steward of. (Iron Fist yeah, but through Cage by way of proxy) I think his over zealous attitude and how he conveys his "thankfulness" is over the top and embarrasing...but I'd understand his frustration after having wanted years to take the helm of BATMAN or JLA and they just follow the same pattern by offering him CYBORG. Now he has the top team book at DC. I'd love to see him take on the Avengers title with Panther and Iron Man as the team co-leads...
This makes sense though as he really wanted Daredevil back when Marvel Knights came out and he was offered the Black Panther instead...which he did great work with.
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...
Facts. Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.
Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans? About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client. Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry
Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter. That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with.
The way Priest is sounding, his work with Milestone will only be with the non black characters. I wonder how many white writers at Marvel and DC were assigned to write only white characters over the years and complained about it simply because the characters were white. I'm sure there are some out there.
Look at the words... "It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus." as if writing black characters is analogous to some kind of segregative, second class citizenship. What is implied is that there is something inferior or inherently wrong with black characters.
Comic book wise the best chances for BP lie in 1) Hudlin doing what he does best in the Black Panther Annual and then given the green light to do World War Wakanda maxi series; 2) Evan Narcisse being unincombered and not heavily influenced by Coates to craft a mythos enriching expository in Rise of the Black Panther which would lead to a sequel; 3) Hudlin doing a Black Panther and Milestone crossover that would make Dwayne McDuffie smile with pride.
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.
Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.
Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.
Yea, lowkey this was the impression I was starting to get as well. I always found the idea of Ross to be... meh but what's done was done and i think i'll be pleased with Coogler and Robert Cole's 'brilliant and uniquely their own' re-interpretations of Ross, Nakia, Okoye, and the Doras in MCU BP.It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...
Facts. Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.
Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans? About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client. Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry
Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter. That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with.
Because CJP more than likely identifies more Ross than he does with BP which is why he choose to write his story about Ross with BP in the background/support..
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.
Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.
Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.
I no longer feel conflicted. Reflecting on it, I always just gave him a "pass" because of his BP stories i read 16 years ago. Buuuuut now i don't feel the need to lie to myself or to rob him of the same energy i give to others who spew the same type of rhetoric i've heard him say several times now over the years.
I'm fine with separating his professional work as BP's writer once upon a time, with how i currently view him as a troubled literary intellectual emitting strong signs of Stockholm syndrome with one foot habitually in the sunken place due to to the emotional scarring he suffered as a "black" writer in an overtly racist comic book industry... and by any deeper scars sustained from his upbringing in a more overtly racist 60s-80s America. So i "get it" but i also tire of seeing those symptoms always pop up to put a damper on things.
We're getting the best interpretation of the BP mytho ever in a couple months, so I no longer need to cuddle the past or subconsciously put it or it's architect on some unattainable pedestal. I can just thank Priest for his significant contributions that inspired our new testament bible (written by Coogler and Cole) and leave it at that. Don't really need to hear from him again regarding the character, and especially not if Ross is all he got to give.
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.
Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.
Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.
I no longer feel conflicted. Reflecting on it, I always just gave him a "pass" because of his BP stories i read 16 years ago. Buuuuut now i don't feel the need to lie to myself or to rob him of the same energy i give to others who spew the same type of rhetoric i've heard him say several times now over the years.
I'm fine with separating his professional work as BP's writer once upon a time, with how i currently view him as a troubled literary intellectual emitting strong signs of Stockholm syndrome with one foot habitually in the sunken place due to to the emotional scarring he suffered as a "black" writer in an overtly racist comic book industry... and by any deeper scars sustained from his upbringing in a more overtly racist 60s-80s America. So i "get it" but i also tire of seeing those symptoms always pop up to put a damper on things.
We're getting the best interpretation of the BP mytho ever in a couple months, so I no longer need to cuddle the past or subconsciously put it or it's architect on some unattainable pedestal. I can just thank Priest for his significant contributions that inspired our new testament bible (written by Coogler and Cole) and leave it at that. Don't really need to hear from him again regarding the character, and especially not if Ross is all he got to give.
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
Why would the white writers complain about writing only white characters when the white characters were the norm, the mainstream, and the ones that often made up 90 percent of the comics world? That's a lot of choice. It IS segregative when, say, a Peter David or Mark Waid has a choice of 85 to 90% of all of Marvel to write and Priest may only be given 15 to 10% of it to write because he's only given minority or black characters. I don't think the implication is that writing black characters is inferior, especially since he's written the black characters he's been given with respect and done them well, but that as a professional writer, he's being limited to ONLY black characters to helm.
And of course the truth is white writers have no such limitations, as white writers have written for lengthy periods characters like the Panther, Black Lighning, Cage, Storm, John Stewart, and others over decades. ALONG WITH stalwart white characters like the Xmen, Iron Man, Batman, Cap, and others.
The wikipedia list presented is a gross amount of work, but most of it shows very short stints, limited series, one shots, and fill-in issues. I did forget he did Conan as Jim Owsley for some years, but outside of that his longest and most constant stints were with Power Man/Iron Fist, Steel, and Black Panther. Who were not only black characters but, at the time, were not A-list or mainstream.
Priest basically bought on Peter David and served as his editor. They are contemporaries. David has had well-known and lengthy stints and made his mark on mainstream characters like Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Aquaman. Waid is another, and has been given lengthy stints on Captain America, the Flash, Daredevil, and more. Busiek i think has been given near everything, and served as writer and steward on one of the longest Avengers runs ever
Priest hasn't recieved work on that level, with characters that big, who, yeah...are white. He's just now after all these years getting THE Justice League book. We'll see.how much control he has and how long he's gping to be on it.
But yeah, there's a difference between thinking that writing black characters are inferior, and being frustrated that the only characters they're allowing you to actually take over the books of are black. That's limiting your choices, cutting a writer off from a huge percentage of comics characters, many whom are iconic and most comics writers, white or black, would kill for a shot at.
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
S.I hits some strong points. Ture I hear ya.
This is why we need Hudlin on BP again, and hopefully Evan can be the next generation of Bp enthusiast to Course correct Tchalla away from Coatesverse destruction of the mythos by racially offensive stereotypes. And show us unapologetic Black panther and Wakanda
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP. I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP. Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...
Peace,
Mont
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP. I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP. Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...
Peace,
Mont
Interesting way to view it next time I reread them I will give you them in that contest and see that add/ changes my enjoyment
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
This is a fair point. As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.
We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.
The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run. Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP. I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP. Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...
Peace,
Mont
Interesting way to view it next time I reread them I will give you them in that contest and see that add/ changes my enjoyment
Hudlin's T'Challa definitely felt younger and more spry, like the world was still at his finger tips. Like he was just getting started.
Whereas Priest's T'Challa there was more a sense of they'd already experienced the world and it had aged them... leaving everyone reflective and at times bitter. I was brand new to the mytho at the time but even i felt the emotional weight, bitterness, and "years" of Monica and T'Challa's relationship. And of White Wolf. and of Killmonger. And Nakia. And Nikki. Sometimes felt like i was playing catch up, which was intentional at times by Priest.
What's funny is that i would end up coming full circle as a reader and feeling the "age" organically... starting from Hudlin's run (optimistic, youthful) through Hickman's run (burnt out, aged) to where by the end of it I felt T'Challa had aged emotionally if not physically (w/o the hair loss) back to what he was in Priest's run. and i felt like i had aged right along with him.
What i was brand new to regarding him and Monica's bitterness back in '99... is exactly the same bitterness i have when it comes to him and the weather forecaster today, bc i lived (read) through it in real time, from Hudlin to Hickman. The weight and burden of animosity towards Hunter and Erik.. is the exact same animosity i have for Namor and Doom. But for the latter pair, i grew to feel that way, in real time.
At this point, I look at the MCU movie as the 3rd "reset" of T'Challa.
Thank you brother Kimoyo. I just want to see black creators who will go to bat for these black characters like Reggie did for T'Challa and Dwayne did for John Stewart. No hidden agendas, no back door ulterior motives to push another character, no hidden desires to want to write something else.
I just want to see the same energy for T'Challa that Chadwick has for him. And i always knew CJP never had that type of energy for our guy but i guess i couldn't fathom a writer writing what he did and not giving him the benefit of the doubt. But hey, i paid for those issues at the time of their release every Wednesday, paid for the tpb later on, argued down his haters online in those aol 3.0 days... i did my part back then to show support for what he did, back then.
But now we're on to bigger and better things
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
This is a fair point. As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.
We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.
The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run. Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.
These points up here are very well said. Very well said.
But I was there. On deck. When CJP wrote BP. You should have SEEN the HATE he was getting...from people who would NEEEVER read the book. I'm sayin...these fools were saying that BP shouldn't act like a King. I mean...LITERALLY saying that. Not just inferring it or making an argument TANTAMOUNT to it. They were LITERALLY like: "He's not really a King, so he shouldn't act like it."
LITERALLY. HUNDREDS of them were saying this. To CHEERS. Imagine CBR times a zillion. Yeah. That's what CJP dealt with.
I remember when he had BP defeat KRAVEN. Them racist White guys? Lost EVERY BIT of their minds. I'm serious. I remember hearing how BP should lose to KRAVEN because BP worshipped a Panther and Kraven had a lion pelt on him, and since lions can beat panthers? Kraven should ALWAYS defeat BP.
He made that argument and got a ring of applause for it.
R to the H got lotsa hate. His BLACK Panther? Got even more hate. His BLACK Panther is just STOMPIN fools depictions [ which still give me Panther-gasms and curled toe Panther talons today ]? Got even more hate. Most of us remember that. We know for sure that R to the H remembers every bit of that.
ANYONE who writes BP as he is meant to be in the 616 pre-Coogler? Will receive hate out of all proportion than if they took some underused White character like say...TASKMASTER, MOCKINGBIRD, DAZZLER, DOC SAMSON, WONDER MAN, SILVER FOX, TIGRA or LONGSHOT...and really made them the dopeness they're SUPPOSED TO BE.
As surprising as it was to see...even LISS and HICKMAN wasn't immune to the hate. Especially Hickman. Most especially Hickman. I knew he'd get side swiped for his initially prominent and uncompromising depictions of T'Challa, but the "Swiper No Swiping" that he got surprised me. Caused him to change some plotlines, I bet [ or at least that was the belated word of my at that time "insider" and ever ubiquitous secret informant ]. And this is hate piled atop of Hickman, who wrote a BP that we all had serious vomitous reactions to, at times [ and Sal probably from the moment that RH was removed from the book ]. HIckman, who most definitely didn't write as unflinchingly formidable a BP as either CJP or RH wrote.
But CJP? By far got the most hate. By far. Not close. Even worse? He got alllll that hate...coupled with by far THE LEAST DEFENDERS. Because he did it in the smallest pond, with the most concentrated hate, the least possible restrictions on the forms of said hate, the strongest possible Editorial "I don't give a damn-isms", and more. I mean, the word is really strong [ and confirmed ] that names like Chris Claremont told CJP to his face that his book wouldn't make it to 12 issues. And BET on it.
Right there is where the X-Office hate started. Cuz CJP went 5 plus years.
Then. To get THE CREW just dismissively canceled like that? No notice? Had to be told by outside sources that his joint was assassinated before it could even get 3 issues out? Hell naw. That? Is iodine, wax, and Harpy's poison in the open wounds.
So, yeah. CJP is a funny book vet. A legend, even. And he knows how to make the right noises to placate teh righ theads in order to smooth out where he wants to go. And ya know what? His last BP series was Ross-centric, too. And that CJP series? Was literally iconic, ground breaking, mold breaking, game changing...and the mandatory prerequisite to BP being in any movies, period. Unadulterated props and respect due.
If he wrote a 12 page joint centered on Ross...so? He kilt a 64 book series that was mostly Ross centered. He'll kill 12 pages, no problem. And won't diss TCHALLA in the process. I think we need to laud him for his relentless creativity, humor, and absolutely incredible writing chops. Not diss him because he's going back to a character...Ross...which was the POV character that put TCHALLA on the map FOR REAL. And made all this plausible, if not possible, in the first place.
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
This is a fair point. As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.
We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.
The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run. Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.
Thank you brother Kimoyo. I just want to see black creators who will go to bat for these black characters like Reggie did for T'Challa and Dwayne did for John Stewart. No hidden agendas, no back door ulterior motives to push another character, no hidden desires to want to write something else.
I just want to see the same energy for T'Challa that Chadwick has for him. And i always knew CJP never had that type of energy for our guy but i guess i couldn't fathom a writer writing what he did and not giving him the benefit of the doubt. But hey, i paid for those issues at the time of their release every Wednesday, paid for the tpb later on, argued down his haters online in those aol 3.0 days... i did my part back then to show support for what he did, back then.
But now we're on to bigger and better things
Last time i remember a black writer praising the black dude he got stuck with was Walker who loved Power Man and Iron Fist and was estatic to write it.
I think it showed in the writing there... too bad he got stuck with... ummm... differentish? art.
This Evan dude seems to really really really really like Black Panther, so i'll hope for the best there.
After listening to Coates tell everyone all the bad sh*t about Black Panther mythos and then now getting CJP whining right now, at a time when Black Panther praise should be peaking thanks to the BP movie nad his prominent appearance in the IW trailer, is frustrating as f*ck.
At this point in time, if you ain't got nothing positive to say, STFU, drop a general "I enjoyed my time of Black Panther" nad move the f*ck along lol.
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments! You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview. I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP. Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mind
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
This is a fair point. As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.
We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.
The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run. Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.
i've always said, just judging the stories themselves beyond any meta stuff
Priest peaks were f*cking PEAKS. some of the best story telling ive read and some of my favorite stories ever. His ability to weave fun comic sh*t with political type stuff with tribal stuff with comedy and such just hits all the high points when it clicked right. And it did click right a lot. The Client, EotS, EotSII, Sturm und Drang would likely all end up in my top 10 of "best BP stories" rather easily. And add in Killmonger's arc(s) as well.
But whoo boy, for me, when he missed, it was nearly unreadable. Needlessly complicated, too much Ross, text everywhere, plot points being unresolved (when he knows he was on cancellation watch for ages). For instance, I can barely read that western/loki/thor arc thing, whatever the F that was.
And yeah, making Doras 16 was kind of... weird. (very weird lol). And Hunter, while I think a good character and a fun villain, ever ever ever ever ever ever being in line to be king is just so ludicrous even for comic standards. African, "we hate all outsiders no matter who they are" Wakandan King accepting some random white baby who crashed and then making him think he might be king.... lol come on.
Hudlin was much much much much much much more even. He didn't peak as nearly as high imo (as much as I like WitBP and Bad Mutha) but he never bottomed out either.
I haven't read his DC stuff because I don't know anything about DC nor really care to, but is it worth checking out? CJP I mean
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...
(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)
justice league cover
tell me how this really makes any sense lol
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...
(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)
justice league cover
tell me how this really makes any sense lol
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...
(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)
justice league cover
tell me how this really makes any sense lol
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...
(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)
justice league cover
tell me how this really makes any sense lol
Yea of course he would attack the black guy first... ::)
:P
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...
(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)
justice league cover
tell me how this really makes any sense lol
Yea of course he would attack the black guy first... ::)
:P
Great minds think alike.. 1st thing I noticed.. for white folks standing around watching two brothers go at it smh
My guess was it was a joke at Cyborgs expense because he got cancelled. And if Priest had taken the job he would be cancelled right along with him. lol
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."
Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.
Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.
"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event.
If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.
Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."
DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller. As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada being able to build on such solid foundations.
Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.
Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.
From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).
If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance Afrakan (aka Black) characters.
I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."
Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.
Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.
"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event.
If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.
Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."
DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller. As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada being able to build on such solid foundations.
Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.
Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.
From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).
If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance Afrakan (aka Black) characters.
I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."
Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.
Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.
"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event.
If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.
Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."
DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller. As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada being able to build on such solid foundations.
Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.
Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.
From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).
If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance Afrakan (aka Black) characters.
I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.
Brilliant post.
"Look at the words... "It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus." as if writing black characters is analogous to some kind of segregative, second class citizenship. What is implied is that there is something inferior or inherently wrong with black characters."Imply and infer are opposites, like a throw and a catch. To imply is to hint at something, but to infer is to make an educated guess.
We can both agree Priest isn't a revolutionary or nationalist or a man that committed to his people...I seriously dont think he even thinks along those lines, nor along the lines of thinking he's promoting the superiority of the white male. He's merely a writer that wants to write white characters because his whole career he's only mainly been offered black characters, simply because he's black. This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however. Though yes, I’ve said in my posts on this before that he seems, for whatever reason, overly preoccupied and embarrassingly thankful about writing “white” characters.
We can both agree Priest isn't a revolutionary or nationalist or a man that committed to his people...I seriously dont think he even thinks along those lines, nor along the lines of thinking he's promoting the superiority of the white male. He's merely a writer that wants to write white characters because his whole career he's only mainly been offered black characters, simply because he's black. This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however. Though yes, I’ve said in my posts on this before that he seems, for whatever reason, overly preoccupied and embarrassingly thankful about writing “white” characters.
This statement (particularly your 2nd sentence) is actually quite damning, ironically supportive of Ture's position (and mine) despite being offered by you in rebuttal A.C.. We have never prospered from giving clever folks the benefit of the doubt because they didn't actually say we weren't as as good as, profitable enough or worthy.
"This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however." Yes, it absolutely does!
Peace,
Mont
I think the thing to remember is that, by the time Priest left Panther, he was 44 years old. He'd been fighting for legitimacy as a writer in the field for literally decades, and had seen other writers of his generation (including some HE HIRED as an editor) gain critical and popular acclaim while he was best known for "The Priest Curse".
He wasn't the angry young man Larry Hama hired back in the 70's. He was trying to make a living, and like McDuffie, had discovered that he was trapped by a cage he didn't even know was there. (Read Dwayne's last HARDWARE story in MILESTONE FOREVER. And then read between the lines)
Would Priest have liked to raise the profile of black characters? I'm sure he would have. But he also needed to make a living, and when he was regularly frozen out of writing the A List characters that could make his career... he quit. Because sometimes, the only way to win is not to play.
Let's cut to the chase and skip all the attempts at rationalization. There is no bigger fan of what CJP did with BP than me. As such, I was aware of what his opinion of Black Panther was from jump. He stated it openly, clearly seeing him as an inferior character, but with convincing he took the job anyway and more than did the character justice. I do not presume to tell you what he thinks, but please explain to me, real talk, how he could not "see" the black characters he's helmed as inferior when he "sees" writing white characters as the only way to advance/legitimize his career as a comics writer?
Peace,
Mont
To A.C.
All of which to say..."That’s not “seeing” them as inferior, the truth is just that they aren’t game changers for a writer’s career the way many of the white ones are." or so you say? I'm not sure how you know the way Priest sees things, but it all sounds like little more than semantics.
Not that he has to want to come back to BP, but why trash the idea so publicly? If BP is "cool" now and has significant juice to aid a writer's career, than why categorically, vehemently rule out ever returning to write BP, yet gush over the use of Ross, the inclusion of Ross and the true import of Ross in the critically acclaimed run that actually did raise your profile and cred as a writer in the industry?
These are tough questions for me to ask. I truly am a fan of the work that revived BP/T'Challa and Wakanda. However, I'm far to old and experienced to allow anyone to piss on my shoes and try to convince me it's raining.
Peace,
Mont
For the record, I misspoke. Priest was 44 when he left CAPTAIN AMERICA & FALCON (and comics in general) not PANTHER. He was born in 1961. He started in comics as an intern when he was 17, and joined editorial a year later. He was the first African-American editor at Marvel, AND at DC. He may have been the first black writer at the Big Two (I've seen some argument regarding that). He hired Peter David. He helped discover Joe freakin' Quesada. He was the "fifth Beatle" at MILESTONE.
And now, almost FORTY YEARS LATER, after dealing with casual racism and editors who did not want him to succeed (ask him about BATMAN PLUS XERř sometime), he's finally getting a little respect.
If you ask me, he's done plenty for black characters and black creators. I think he's perfectly within his rights to think about himself, now.
I quit comics in 1988 and trained as a bus driver. I used to drive those big Greyhound coaches out of New York Port Authority and down to Princeton New Jersey. It was, hands down, the best job I ever had and I profoundly regret having left it. I kept that job the entire time I was on staff at DC Comics in the ’90s. I had seniority by then and could choose a split shift that allowed me to drive the bus into the city in the morning, go to my day job, and drive the bus out in the evening. Visitors to DC Comics in those days would routinely see me dressed in my bus driver’s uniform. Which is way more than anyone ever wanted to know about me.
[url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url] ([url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url])
Thirty years ago (February 1987), artist M.D. Bright and I produced a comic titled Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. It sold a bajillion copies, and we both thought, well, this is it, here we go: we’re in, now. But the office ramble was, “Well, anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine.” And I agree with that.
Now, with due modesty, it was some of the best writing of my career. It was a very, very strong piece of work and is now an expensive collector’s item. But Marvel never offered Mark and I a sequel. And, when we pitched a sequel, we were soundly turned down. Why? Because we were not considered “name” talent. “Name” talent equates with big sales. Well, we sold half a million comic books, but then they had another excuse—anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine—so we were still not “Names.” If it sounds like whining, that’s because it is.
[url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url] ([url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url])
Dear Black People,
I was so excited. This was it, I thought: I was finally gonna get my dream shot. I was finally gonna get a chance to write DAREDEVIL. I was a little horrified when the words "Black" and "Panther" came out of Joe's mouth. I mean, Black Panther? Who reads Black Panther? He had no witty speech pattern. His supporting cast was a bunch of soul brothers in diapers with bones through their noses.Black Panther?! The guy with no powers? The guy in the back of the Avengers class photo... No, PANTHER was not the move. Also, Panther was a black super-hero and, the most basic economic lesson this business can teach you is, minorities and female super-heroes do not sell.
Ultimately, for me, it came down to one basic stipulation: BLACK PANTHER could not be a "black" book. The problem with race and popular media is, in most every "black" movie or "black" music CD you'll see or hear, there is some hostility directed towards whites. Now, were I a white male, I certainly wouldn't want to spend eight bucks to go see a film where white males are portrayed as stupid and are the butt of every joke, or where I am made to feel guilty about things I had nothing to do with, or prejudices I don't actually have. That's my pet peeve with a lot of black film and black comedians: it's all White People Bashing, fueled by our race's legacy of anger and resentment of centuries-old unreparated wrongs.
Christopher J. Priest
June, 2001QuoteI quit comics in 1988 and trained as a bus driver. I used to drive those big Greyhound coaches out of New York Port Authority and down to Princeton New Jersey. It was, hands down, the best job I ever had and I profoundly regret having left it. I kept that job the entire time I was on staff at DC Comics in the ’90s. I had seniority by then and could choose a split shift that allowed me to drive the bus into the city in the morning, go to my day job, and drive the bus out in the evening. Visitors to DC Comics in those days would routinely see me dressed in my bus driver’s uniform. Which is way more than anyone ever wanted to know about me.
http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/ (http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/)
Here's where it gets interesting.QuoteThirty years ago (February 1987), artist M.D. Bright and I produced a comic titled Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. It sold a bajillion copies, and we both thought, well, this is it, here we go: we’re in, now. But the office ramble was, “Well, anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine.” And I agree with that.
Now, with due modesty, it was some of the best writing of my career. It was a very, very strong piece of work and is now an expensive collector’s item. But Marvel never offered Mark and I a sequel. And, when we pitched a sequel, we were soundly turned down. Why? Because we were not considered “name” talent. “Name” talent equates with big sales. Well, we sold half a million comic books, but then they had another excuse—anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine—so we were still not “Names.” If it sounds like whining, that’s because it is.
http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/ (http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/)
Inferior (in·fe·ri·or) - lower in rank, status, or quality. a person lower than another in rank, status, or ability. synonyms: second-class, lesser, lower in status, lower-ranking, subordinate, second-fiddle, minor
"the bigger, more popular characters that, because of various reasons, happen to be white." There's no happenstance. These bigger, more popular characters were thoughtfully created, purposefully designed and introduced to be white.
"Especially since your peers were offered that various times." White peers. Which may mean they weren't perceived as equal peers. Perhaps Priest was judged as a peer inferior or may not have been seen as peer at at.
"Plus, I doubt he’d be friends with Hudllin or work with Milestone if he thought black characters were inferior." Friendship aside he would if needed the money or was a Black apologist with a penchant to deride Afrakan (aka Black) people's reaction to racism.
If "Priest is not excitedly committed to writing black characters and elevating them in the ways Ture has expressed that some of his peers have done with other characters" so be it. If Priest wants to continue deconstructing the paramountcy he infused into the Black Panther revealing more of his true motivations, that is his choice. However doing such will leave him open to criticism.
"We think as a black man he should be committed to that responsibility and WANT to write just the black characters, when he’s already done that." By your assessment he is still doing such.
"THIS isn’t saying being “black” is a limitation or being a “black” writer is limiting as Ture felt the need to explain...actually, in the context of a profession, putting your race before your profession can be limiting not because being “black” is limiting, but being seen as a “black’ writer does strongly imply to people that you are qualified or interested in only writing about black characters and about the black experience." In other words being "Black" isn't limiting but being seen as a “Black" is.
"This would be limiting if I wanted to write an episode of the HBO show “GIRLS”, because what’s implied is that, yes, I’m obviously black, but I only write about black characters and the black experience." [SIDEBAR] Interestingly enough with all this forced inclusion, when a white writer (sans the adjective) writes of her experiences living in NYC and doesn't represent so called people of color she is criticized for being inaccurate or racist as in the case of HBO's “GIRLS”. You see that is what so called white supremacy and so called white privilege (TERMS I'M ONLY USING IN CONTEXT FOR THIS RESPONSE) does for a white person. She doesn't just see color she focuses in on one. The one color she most readily identifies with and is obviously most experienced with and not ashamed to express it unabashedly. However there are some "Blacks" ready to show her the full spectrum they believe she somehow managed to avoid. [SIDEBAR CONCLUDED]
Spike Lee absolutely defines himself as "Black" by race; has no problem being called a "Black" writer or "Black" director; has produced movies with diverse racial types (Jungle Fever, Summer of Sam and Oldboy) and has a popular tv show centering on a black woman (She's Gotta Have It).
I am fully aware of how some whites and some other ethnicities attempt to marginalize and co opt the term Black, none the less it is our responsibility to prevent them from achieving such. Einstein isn't a genius he is a white, Jewish genius. Just try disconnecting him from his Jewish heritage and white ancestry.
If you are in a room with 60 people and 30 of them are "Black" and somehow only the "Black" ones talk to you but you desire a conversation with the remaining 30 but can't get a dialogue going because they don't want to engage with you, it is incorrect to criticize, insult and try to place the blame of those 30 other people not speaking with you on the "Blacks" who willingly conversed with you. While it is true that you are cut off from the 30 other people you might also find yourself ignored by the 30 "Black" people, leaving you with no one to talk to. No, I'm afraid you don't get the metaphor. There is no want for being cool with and satisfied and even committed to only talking to the 30 "Black"people in the room... just know there will be no acceptance of criticism, insult or tolerance of your lusting for the other 30.
As far as the profit thing, Afrakan (aka Black) characters can easily sell as well if not better than their white counterparts provided they are promoted and marketed correctly.
"How could Priest see "Black" characters as inferior and still write them?" Because as a victim of racism his visceral insecurities mandate he ingratiate himself to the perpetrators of said racism in an attempt to win favor, acceptance and validation.
If he didn't see the Black Panther as being inferior why the need to use Ross? We know conclusively that even with Ross the book was on the perpetual cancellation list according to Priest. Add to the fact BP highest sales came without the so touted need of a white face to sell the book. Hudlin did it and Coates went all "Black" all the way to number one.
Interesting, why the preference of Gothic Sandman over Afrakan Sandman when they both have the same powers and ability?
Not "the board", the diligence and commitment of fans and enthusiast who share their thoughts, ideas and insight; the same fans and enthusiast who build online communities and fan-clubs. We helped bring an end to that nonsense and will continue to do so. Narcisse and Nnedi or whomever we stand at the ready keypads in position. Wakanda Forever. FYI, Coatess shut down his Twitter account once before during or near the conclusion of season one.
This is why the argument in defense of Priest falls on its face. He didn't emphasize the most complex, intriguing, nuanced, flawed, conflicted or challenged characters, he emphatically overstated white. Purposefully and with all intent on meaning what he said. Inferring otherwise and reading between the lines while willfully ignoring the implications is a grave error.
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend. But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url])
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url])
Three years later, he retired from comics. Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url])
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend. But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url])
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url])
Three years later, he retired from comics. Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url])
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend. But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html[/url])
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url])
Three years later, he retired from comics. Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url])
Happy holidays HEF!
I would say I think there is more too it personally. I won't dive Into it much, but on think there isn't a right or wrong side. I think A
Curry and Ture and the rest of y'all have presented a pretty clear debate from both spectrums and both sides are true to some extent. But ultimately, Priest is a victim of racism that hindered his rise to A list writer with fame to his name like he should of decades ago. He just reacted different due to circumstances.
Happy holidays HEF!
I would say I think there is more too it personally. I won't dive Into it much, but on think there isn't a right or wrong side. I think A
Curry and Ture and the rest of y'all have presented a pretty clear debate from both spectrums and both sides are true to some extent. But ultimately, Priest is a victim of racism that hindered his rise to A list writer with fame to his name like he should of decades ago. He just reacted different due to circumstances.
I appreciate the credit Ezyo...and I agree...as I said before some points on the opposite side of the debate I can understand and agree with, as I've also said Priest has his issues...but as you said he has been a victim of racism in his career, so its somewhat understandable why he's taken some of the stances he has...including wanting to spearhead the books of A-list characters and those other than just the ones that are "of color", to use the term he used. And I hope he continues to get the opportunities now that he was denied before. I even hope, after some time, he changes his mind and does return to BP's comic.
Happy Xmas and New Year to all of you. If anything, this was a scintillating debate.
Cheers!
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.
Hudlin and Lashley for President
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.
Hudlin and Lashley for President
A match made in heaven. I would support this 1000%.
Hudlin is so sly, he drops nuggets in the ask Hudlin thread then we get a Shout-out in an interview. It's crazy, I never expected him to actually answer let alone say that our excitement was the motivation for this annual.. I wish they gave him 4-6 more pages to work with
Edit: I was vote Redjack and khary randoph for vice president lol
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.
Hudlin and Lashley for President
A match made in heaven. I would support this 1000%.
Hudlin is so sly, he drops nuggets in the ask Hudlin thread then we get a Shout-out in an interview. It's crazy, I never expected him to actually answer let alone say that our excitement was the motivation for this annual.. I wish they gave him 4-6 more pages to work with
Edit: I was vote Redjack and khary randoph for vice president lol
I wish they gave him 4-6 more years lol. Give both creative teams their own book: (1) The Royal Black Panther (2) King of the Dead: Black Panther.
adjectives subject to change depending on each book's direction.
Man, don't play with my emotions...
"...and a Milestone/Black Panther crossover in the Fall."
Wait, what!?! ;D
Peace,
Mont
This is what we should be talking about. This outstanding flyness right here. This Annual will be the only BP comic I will buy this year, unless Redjack, R to the H, or maybe Narcisse [ if he actually writes OUR TCHALLA ] takes over BP.
I just realized he's wearing the coal tiger costume, or at least part of it!