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Title: Black Panther's Agents of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on October 14, 2016, 06:37:03 am
See the First Page of World of Wakanda from Roxane Gay, Ta-Nehisi Coates & Alitha Martinez
By Cameron Wade  |  October 13, 2016  |  6:58pm
Image via Marvel / Art by Alitha Martinez


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Bad Feminist writer Roxane Gay made news in comics over the summer when it was announced that she and Black Panther writer Ta-Nehisi Coates would be collaborating on a new Black Panther title called World of Wakanda, making Gay the first black woman to write for Marvel in the publisher’s entire history.

Now we’re getting our first look at the historic book. Gay posted a sneak peek from artist Alitha Martinez to her Twitter today, presumably giving us our first look at the stars of the book, Ayo and Aneka, lovers and former warriors for the Black Panther. Speaking of her decision to write the book, Gay said, “The opportunity to write black women and queer black women into the Marvel universe, there’s no saying no to that.”

The first issue of World of Wakanda is expected to hit shelves in November.


Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on October 14, 2016, 08:21:29 am
ill keep my fingers crossed but my expectations are below zero
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on October 14, 2016, 04:10:34 pm
I'm approaching this with caution, because I have a feeling it'll de-evolve into nothing more than throwing T'challa under the bus in a few issues. With the tired trope of (albeit flowery/eloquently phrased ") men ain't -ish" rabbithole that far too many feminists (especially black feminists) can't help but go down.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on October 14, 2016, 05:21:54 pm
I'll def check out the first issue, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned on how the characters will be portrayed in this book.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ture on October 14, 2016, 07:58:39 pm
Good lookin' out Ezyo.

Courtesy of UltimateTy at the CBR:

Quote from: UltimateTy;2348163
BP world of Wakanda #1 preview. I'm still not sure If i'll be buying this

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The Afua Richardson art is great here though

If these are scenes from Wakanda... so impoverished and so many bad Afrakan men. I'm willful that this is transpiring somewhere else, Niganda per chance.

ill keep my fingers crossed but my expectations are below zero

I'm approaching this with caution, because I have a feeling it'll de-evolve into nothing more than throwing T'challa under the bus in a few issues. With the tired trope of (albeit flowery/eloquently phrased ") [i]men ain't -ish[/i]" rabbithole that far too many feminists (especially black feminists) can't help but go down.

I'll def check out the first issue, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned on how the characters will be portrayed in this book.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

All quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on October 14, 2016, 08:24:40 pm
as was discussed in the CBR brother Ture the scenes with the Aneka and Ayo actually look like they are seizing atlatean spies as this takes place while Wakanda and Atlantis are at war. As for the scene with Zenzi, considering Coates mentioned that the Nigandans Pretty much turned on Kilmongers forces once he died, I think it may be safe to say that does not take place in Wakanda
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ture on October 14, 2016, 08:38:36 pm
as was discussed in the CBR brother Ture the scenes with the Aneka and Ayo actually look like they are seizing atlatean spies as this takes place while Wakanda and Atlantis are at war. As for the scene with Zenzi, considering Coates mentioned that the Nigandans Pretty much turned on Kilmongers forces once he died, I think it may be safe to say that does not take place in Wakanda

Thank you Brother Ezyo.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 15, 2016, 12:18:43 am
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.

But.

If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.

I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.

Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.

Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.

This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.


Yes. I went 90's slang on you.

Anyway...

Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on October 15, 2016, 05:12:45 am
That same zenzi scene was shown in like bp2 or 3

Its niganda
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on October 15, 2016, 09:40:55 am
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.

But.

If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.

I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.

Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.

Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.

This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.


Yes. I went 90's slang on you.

Anyway...

Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.

Spit on  brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).

 Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.

Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.

Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.

Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Salustrade on October 15, 2016, 02:31:32 pm
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.

But.

If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.

I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.

Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.

Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.

This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.


Yes. I went 90's slang on you.

Anyway...

Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.

Spit on  brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).

 Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.

Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.

Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.

Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.


But here's the thing.

Coatesverse Panther is the "uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job" so I remain thoroughly nonplussed as to why you or anyone else, remain suprised at this pont? 
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on October 15, 2016, 03:07:11 pm
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.

But.

If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.

I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.

Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.

Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.

This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.


Yes. I went 90's slang on you.

Anyway...

Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.


Spit on  brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).

 Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.

Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.

Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.

Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.



But here's the thing.

Coatesverse Panther is the "uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job" so I remain thoroughly nonplussed as to why you or anyone else, remain suprised at this pont?


Well my point was more so how this story could of been 1000x Better while Keeping the same story. At this point I'm not surprised or expecting for anything good really. Just hope (in vain) that he will do something that's not

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Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 15, 2016, 07:41:28 pm
Having gotten my hopes up for Coates only to have them dashed and be torched to subatomic particles so small that they make a fraction of a quark look like infinitely vast multiverses, I am in zero hurry to get my hopes up about this book. It has the potential to be outstanding, just like Coates BP could have been.

But.

If there were Rape Camps in Coates BP? Expect something equally imfreakinpossible and repugnant to be in WoW. The continuity of Rape Camps will be all up in that book, and of course the feminist middle digit will be flipped at TChalla for real. Idk if they will speak on or hate on Shuri.

I want the books to be good. With the advent of THE COATES' version of Priest's CREW, and the return of ORORO MUNROE to Wakanda...and imo the first or second visit to Wakanda by our own Misty Knight...Coates' book may be picking up.

Idk cuz I'm still not buying it. Maybe flip through the pages at my LCS, and if it's not beautiful poetry overlaid upon plot vomit, I may buy that book.

Look. TChalla wouldn't've condescended to hott box with Zenzi or Tetu or whatever his name is. The WDF would have smashed both of them. Out of hand. Easy peezy. And if Zenzi n nem got too uppity? The same crew that spawned Mendinao and Zawaviri would simply hand Zenzi and Tetu the magic beatdown. You heard of the one hitter quitter? Well...this would be the one spell zinger bell ringer.

This is the crew that handled the [ drastically upgraded powers due to common sense origin alteration and clarification, just as BP became the MU prepmaster and shrewdest man under Priest's pen via equally common sense application of resources and attributes established decades..half a century...ago ] the fell powers of Karnaj and Somberr and their cruel, deadly powerful magicks. If Tetu is the equivalent of a Druid [ maybe High Druid ] in Dungeons and Dragons like Coates said, then TChalla has already gone Pimp Named Slickback on a cabal of Arch Mages and High Priests like Karnaj, Somberr, etc. And he did that solo. Of course, his WDF would be prepped for these kinds of threats...and we haven't even talked about Uncle Syan's son, T'Chan yet. Has he recovered? Bring him back. That character has stupid fly potential.


Yes. I went 90's slang on you.

Anyway...

Don't write TChalla down in order to bring other characters up. Step up the other characters so they can do their own unique thing, and be appreciated as such. This book would be sooooo muuuch BETTER if such were the case.


Spit on  brother S.I. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Coates story would of benefited from. A #0 showing what's going on. Show T'Challa, Angela, Ayo and the Hatut Zeraze uttk down fires, shoe a map in Wakanda of where all the uprising and such are at and how T'Challa had to divide his forces (explains low resources) show T'Challa going to the necropolis but don't show what's down there yet until #1 (builds suspense shows why T'Challa is so down).

 Have Tetu using Zenzis power to influence the Wakandan people into uprisings and Tetu using his power's to cause havoc (upgrades them to credible threats, Zenzi has the power to influence a nation if Left unchecked, Tetu has the power to split a nation dowb if left unchecked) brings then to A list level threats.

Have T'Challa send Aneka and Ayo to the Village as he has i info of lecherous activity from the chieftain, given they are the MA, T'Challa entrusted them to bring in the chieftain, exhausted, they go there (unbeknownst to them, Zenzi is hiding in the village) she uses her power on Aneka, who snaps and kills the chieftain, thus sparking the Issue 1.

Coates could keep writing his story but just not nerf T'Challa. Tetu and T'Challas first encounter should of been a stalemate, Tetu knocks out the Hz, T'Challa throws tech and his superior h2h at him and then Tetu uses his magic to even the odds, this ends With T'Challa getting a good hit on Tetu and desperately he throws his vines at the HZ, distracting T'Challa enough to escape while he rescus them.

Establishes a threat worthy of T'Challa without chumping him. Brings the threats up to T'Challas level, and gives a more complex Story line without making T'Challa the uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job.



But here's the thing.

Coatesverse Panther is the "uncaring scientists turned reluctant King who shows contempt towards his people and doesn't even want the job" so I remain thoroughly nonplussed as to why you or anyone else, remain suprised at this pont?


Well my point was more so how this story could of been 1000x Better while Keeping the same story. At this point I'm not surprised or expecting for anything good really. Just hope (in vain) that he will do something that's not

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There ya go^^^.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ture on October 18, 2016, 10:43:26 am
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WoW #3

ROXANE GAY & TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • ALITHA E. MARTINEZ (A) Cover by AFUA RICHARDSON Variant Cover by NATACHA BUSTOS

DORA MILAJE NO MORE!

T’Challa betrays all of Wakanda, forcing Ayo and Aneka to make the biggest decision of their lives


Remember this is back in Hickman's run lol. So calm down





TALK ABOUT BEATING A DEAD ELEPHANT... WHILE I WANT TO BLAME HICKMAN'S GHOST FOR ATTEMPTING TO KILL T'CHALLA, I CAN'T CAUSE HICKMAN AT LEAST RETURNED EVERYTHING BACK TO VIRTUALLY STATUS QUO.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ture on October 18, 2016, 10:49:45 am
A variant for BLACK PANTHER: WORLD OF WAKANDA #1.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuxjmpYVYAAHugk.jpg)

I think they should have went high tech their version of the iconic Hollywood sign. This is Wakanda. None the less I like this cover.

Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on October 18, 2016, 12:20:29 pm
Gotta say im digging the necropolis look
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 01, 2016, 06:13:01 pm
A mere week away...

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Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1

(W) Ta-Nehisi Coates, Roxane Gay, Yona Harvey (A) Alitha Martinez, Afua Richardson (CA) Skottie Young

"YOU DESERVED SO MUCH MORE, LITTLE FLOWER. YOU DESERVED A WAKANDA THAT CHERISHED YOU."

Writer ROXANE GAY (Bad Feminist, Hunger) spins a Wakandan love story - its tenderness matched only by its brutality. You know them now as The Midnight Angels, but in this story they are just Ayo and Aneka, young women recruited to become Dora Milaje, an elite task force trained to protect the crown at all costs. What happens when your nation needs your hearts and minds, but you already gave them to each other? Illustrated by industry veteran ALITHA E. MARTINEZ (Iron Man, Black Panther).

And in a special backup story, acclaimed poet YONA HARVEY (Hemming the Water) explores the true origins of The People's mysterious leader Zenzi. Black Panther thinks he knows who Zenzi is and how she got her powers, but he only knows part of the story... Illustrated by rising star AFUA RICHARDSON (Genius).

Rated T
In Shops: Nov 09, 2016
SRP: $4.99
[url]http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/10/19/exclusive-marvel-first-look-black-panther-world-of-wakanda-1-sko/[/url] ([url]http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/10/19/exclusive-marvel-first-look-black-panther-world-of-wakanda-1-sko/[/url])


The descent of the Black Panther may reach a new depth.

Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on November 02, 2016, 05:11:40 am
Interested in Zenzi' story (so bizarre doing a villain origin in another book though? lol)

Scared to deeath with whatever Gay has cooked up

"deserved a Wakanda that cherished you"

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Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on November 02, 2016, 08:14:07 am
Looks like World of Wakanda will initially be 6 issues. The first arc will conclude in time for the start of season 2.

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Panther-Wakanda-Midnight-Angels/dp/130290650X/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1478099057&sr=8-9&keywords=black+panther+ta-nehisi+coates (https://www.amazon.com/Black-Panther-Wakanda-Midnight-Angels/dp/130290650X/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1478099057&sr=8-9&keywords=black+panther+ta-nehisi+coates)
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on November 02, 2016, 10:40:14 am
Yea i fear for whats about to happen. Especially since this is happening During Hickman's run. I wonder what new lows they are gonna take T'challa too. That quote though pisses me off because the whole "Issue" with the MA and what they are going though is fabricated.... Poorly just to set up this book which will probably just be more shots at T'Challa and black men. instead of Expanding the Mythos into something more akin to Batman and Spidey's mythos, being able to have multiple books out, but instead of tying the world together and making Bp and Wakanda its own sandbox (if you felt like it) its instead looking like its going to pit Men vs Women with Men being the monsters women must overcome. Which is stupid and sets the mythos backwards for what reason? To push an agenda that wasn't an issue? To take shots at black men? Things had already moved forward and now its being brought up for some false narrative and Coates is pushing it further by changing T'Challa's established traits to make it fit
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 02, 2016, 04:30:57 pm
Roxane Gay details her new Marvel comic, World of Wakanda

BY NIVEA SERRAO

With Marvel’s Black Panther series debuting to critical acclaim, it only made sense that the comic book company would turn to its just-as-acclaimed writer, Ta-Nehisi Coates, for suggestions of potential writers to helm a spinoff series focusing on King T’Challa’s native land of Wakanda. Coates’ suggestion? None other than fellow bestselling writer, Roxane Gay. Now Gay, along with poet Yona Harvey, make Marvel history as the first black women to write for Marvel. In their series, World of Wakanda, Gay tells tales of the Dora Milaje, the Wakandan royal family’s elite all-women fighting guard, while Harvey focuses on female revolutionary Zenzi, who fights for her country’s rights.

“Historically, the Dora Milaje have served the Black Panther loyally and without question,” says Gay of Wakanda’s political climate when the series kicks off. “But because of a series of events that culminate in the current arc of Black Panther, the Dora Milaje are questioning their loyalty and their mission. World of Wakanda looks at how this evolution rises.” With World of Wakanda about to kick off on Nov. 9, EW caught up with Gay to discuss writing her first comic, her storytelling influences, and who she’d like to see pen their own comic.

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ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Everyone has some idea of what they’d like to see in a superhero comic. What did you want to do when Ta-Nehisi Coates first pitched you writing this series?

GAY: When Ta-Nehisi first approached me, I just knew that I wanted to write fierce women who could be as intimidating as they are intriguing. So far, I have been able to bring these characteristics into the women I am writing for World of Wakanda. Things are about to get really interesting as I work on the third issue so I am looking forward to that.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Readers may not be familiar with Black Panther. Was that something you were considering as you approached writing this series?

GAY It wasn’t my first consideration because for the most part, World of Wakanda can stand on its own. That said, I have had to think carefully about continuity within the Marvel universe, so I’ve tried to write into each issue what readers unfamiliar with Black Panther will need to know to fully appreciate the story I am telling.

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1477947942/BLAPWAK2016001_int-25.jpg)

Writing comics is a very collaborative process. How has working with [artist] Alitha E. Martinez affected your storytelling?

Writing comics has forced me to think about storytelling in a much more fine-tuned manner. I also think a lot about how my ideas are going to look on the page. Every time I see Alitha’s art, I am just thrilled with how she takes my words and then adds her own interpretation. It’s unlike anything I’ve done before.

Your story in World of Wakanda focuses on Ayo and Aneka, two former Dora Milaje, as well as on their relationship. What were you most excited about when delving into them as characters, and as a couple?

I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe, and to write women who are lethal? That’s even better.

What is it about the Dora Milaje that speaks to you as a writer?

I love the idea of an elite unit of bodyguards comprised entirely of women who can take care of themselves and the people they are assigned to protect. It’s such a compelling role reversal.

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As a fan of pop culture in general, were there any non-comics works  (shows/movies/music) that influenced or inspired you?

I have definitely thought a lot about Olivia Pope in season 1 of Scandal and the original USA version of La Femme Nikita. 

Now that you’ve started writing comics, have you been reading more of them? Are there any series you’re a big fan of?

Absolutely. I wanted to read comics to get a more contemporary sense of the genre. I am loving Saga, and of course, Black Panther and I am about to dive into Sex Criminals.

Since Ta-Nehisi Coates suggested you as a writer for World of Wakanda, who are some writers you’d like to see take a Marvel comic series of their own?

I’d love to see the writer xTx take on a comic book series. She has a dark, engrossing and cinematic style that would lend itself well to the medium. Lily Hoang would write one hell of a comic and also, Morgan Parker, Saeed Jones, Karolina Waclawiak and Carmen Machado also come to mind.

Black Panther: World of Wakanda is currently available for pre-order and hits shelves Nov. 9.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel)

In her words a Black Panther comic about black queer women that doesn't need the Black Panther.

All the more reason to quote myself...

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BLACK PANTHER... A THIRD TITLE

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It would be great if with the movie we get a third comic book that can retell the Black Panther from the beginning. A telling that highlights everything good about Black Panther and Wakanda while avoiding the missteps, inconsistencies, character assassinations and lackluster off panel action. Imagine a retelling that squarely focuses on T'challa and his greatness. Yea that's what we need a third title and a fresh start. This could be one of the true benefits of the high selling Coatesverse Panther and Gay World of Wakanda (if in fact it sells well too) and a blockbuster movie.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 02, 2016, 08:23:20 pm
Roxane Gay details her new Marvel comic, World of Wakanda

BY NIVEA SERRAO

With Marvel’s Black Panther series debuting to critical acclaim, it only made sense that the comic book company would turn to its just-as-acclaimed writer, Ta-Nehisi Coates, for suggestions of potential writers to helm a spinoff series focusing on King T’Challa’s native land of Wakanda. Coates’ suggestion? None other than fellow bestselling writer, Roxane Gay. Now Gay, along with poet Yona Harvey, make Marvel history as the first black women to write for Marvel. In their series, World of Wakanda, Gay tells tales of the Dora Milaje, the Wakandan royal family’s elite all-women fighting guard, while Harvey focuses on female revolutionary Zenzi, who fights for her country’s rights.

“Historically, the Dora Milaje have served the Black Panther loyally and without question,” says Gay of Wakanda’s political climate when the series kicks off. “But because of a series of events that culminate in the current arc of Black Panther, the Dora Milaje are questioning their loyalty and their mission. World of Wakanda looks at how this evolution rises.” With World of Wakanda about to kick off on Nov. 9, EW caught up with Gay to discuss writing her first comic, her storytelling influences, and who she’d like to see pen their own comic.

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1477947942/BLAPWAK2016001_int-6.jpg)

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Everyone has some idea of what they’d like to see in a superhero comic. What did you want to do when Ta-Nehisi Coates first pitched you writing this series?

GAY: When Ta-Nehisi first approached me, I just knew that I wanted to write fierce women who could be as intimidating as they are intriguing. So far, I have been able to bring these characteristics into the women I am writing for World of Wakanda. Things are about to get really interesting as I work on the third issue so I am looking forward to that.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Readers may not be familiar with Black Panther. Was that something you were considering as you approached writing this series?

GAY It wasn’t my first consideration because for the most part, World of Wakanda can stand on its own. That said, I have had to think carefully about continuity within the Marvel universe, so I’ve tried to write into each issue what readers unfamiliar with Black Panther will need to know to fully appreciate the story I am telling.

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1477947942/BLAPWAK2016001_int-25.jpg)

Writing comics is a very collaborative process. How has working with [artist] Alitha E. Martinez affected your storytelling?

Writing comics has forced me to think about storytelling in a much more fine-tuned manner. I also think a lot about how my ideas are going to look on the page. Every time I see Alitha’s art, I am just thrilled with how she takes my words and then adds her own interpretation. It’s unlike anything I’ve done before.

Your story in World of Wakanda focuses on Ayo and Aneka, two former Dora Milaje, as well as on their relationship. What were you most excited about when delving into them as characters, and as a couple?

I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe, and to write women who are lethal? That’s even better.

What is it about the Dora Milaje that speaks to you as a writer?

I love the idea of an elite unit of bodyguards comprised entirely of women who can take care of themselves and the people they are assigned to protect. It’s such a compelling role reversal.

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/2016/10/31/blapwak2016001_dc11-crop.jpg?itok=k_-qiAGS)

As a fan of pop culture in general, were there any non-comics works  (shows/movies/music) that influenced or inspired you?

I have definitely thought a lot about Olivia Pope in season 1 of Scandal and the original USA version of La Femme Nikita. 

Now that you’ve started writing comics, have you been reading more of them? Are there any series you’re a big fan of?

Absolutely. I wanted to read comics to get a more contemporary sense of the genre. I am loving Saga, and of course, Black Panther and I am about to dive into Sex Criminals.

Since Ta-Nehisi Coates suggested you as a writer for World of Wakanda, who are some writers you’d like to see take a Marvel comic series of their own?

I’d love to see the writer xTx take on a comic book series. She has a dark, engrossing and cinematic style that would lend itself well to the medium. Lily Hoang would write one hell of a comic and also, Morgan Parker, Saeed Jones, Karolina Waclawiak and Carmen Machado also come to mind.

Black Panther: World of Wakanda is currently available for pre-order and hits shelves Nov. 9.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel)

In her words a Black Panther comic about black queer women that doesn't need the Black Panther.

All the more reason to quote myself...

Quote
BLACK PANTHER... A THIRD TITLE

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu98BT5XYAACEWl.jpg)

It would be great if with the movie we get a third comic book that can retell the Black Panther from the beginning. A telling that highlights everything good about Black Panther and Wakanda while avoiding the missteps, inconsistencies, character assassinations and lackluster off panel action. Imagine a retelling that squarely focuses on T'challa and his greatness. Yea that's what we need a third title and a fresh start. This could be one of the true benefits of the high selling Coatesverse Panther and Gay World of Wakanda (if in fact it sells well too) and a blockbuster movie.




With my combat expertise, I can write a rollickin BP if I found a artist that knew how to convey the fight scenes, acrobatics, etc in combo with the meditative, Afrikan natural scenes, Wakandan super science and mega magic scenes. And of course...the emotional face expressions and sexy/sexual scenes...

...but seriously. I think I can write a very good. Very powerful. Very action packed BP with lots of innovative applications of tech, magic, fight scenes, a total upgrade of his original Rogues' Gallery, a return of Achebe, and a lot more that should be done. I mean come on...Hunter is no sucka. He would NOT be off the grid for this long.

And Brother Voodoo would be a welcome addition to my BP. What with sheisty Zawaviri and Mendinao being noble but largely on his Watcher mode [ "I watch, I do not intervene" ] unless someone's trying to mess with the HSH? We need a Brother Voodoo around to slang the magicks plus be something other than the Black second rate Doctor Strange. In Afrika? Brother Voodoo would be UBANGIJI Vodun...LORD Vodun. Or if we gotta keep the DOCTOR title....aight. Don't like it. That's way more in the "witch DOCTOR" tradition than anything else.

RH had it right...write?...with having Blade ride with TChalla for a minute, too. When Somberr, the Zombie King [ new and improved..well, a lotta improvement anyway ] under my pen comes around? Doctor Voodoo could and would crush it. Sure TChalla has spanked him and would spank him solo, but...a good look would be Doctor Voodoo pimp slappin him too.


Lord Karnaj, Achebe, Hunter, etc etc comes to town? TChalla could spank all them heads solo, but having Blade around is a major help.

Basically? Take a good look at TChalla's old Rogues' Gallery and superhcharge them all.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/fajarherwandhan/lists/28-black-panther-rogues-gallery/54536/ (http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/fajarherwandhan/lists/28-black-panther-rogues-gallery/54536/)


 Moses Magnum. Baron Macabre. King Cadaver. The Dragon Circle. Colonel Fritz Klaue. Hellrazor. Madam Slay. Etc. All of em could be crazy ill if they had a major upgrade. They could each be major players in the MU as a whole...if given the kind of menace and upgrade and modernization that Priest gave to Mbaku [ a dude who I thought I would NEEEEEVEEER like ].
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: JRCarter on November 02, 2016, 09:20:07 pm
With my combat expertise, I can write a rollickin BP if I found a artist that knew how to convey the fight scenes, acrobatics, etc in combo with the meditative, Afrikan natural scenes, Wakandan super science and mega magic scenes. And of course...the emotional face expressions and sexy/sexual scenes...

...but seriously. I think I can write a very good. Very powerful. Very action packed BP with lots of innovative applications of tech, magic, fight scenes, a total upgrade of his original Rogues' Gallery, a return of Achebe, and a lot more that should be done. I mean come on...Hunter is no sucka. He would NOT be off the grid for this long.

And Brother Voodoo would be a welcome addition to my BP. What with sheisty Zawaviri and Mendinao being noble but largely on his Watcher mode [ "I watch, I do not intervene" ] unless someone's trying to mess with the HSH? We need a Brother Voodoo around to slang the magicks plus be something other than the Black second rate Doctor Strange. In Afrika? Brother Voodoo would be UBANGIJI Vodun...LORD Vodun. Or if we gotta keep the DOCTOR title....aight. Don't like it. That's way more in the "witch DOCTOR" tradition than anything else.

RH had it right...write?...with having Blade ride with TChalla for a minute, too. When Somberr, the Zombie King [ new and improved..well, a lotta improvement anyway ] under my pen comes around? Doctor Voodoo could and would crush it. Sure TChalla has spanked him and would spank him solo, but...a good look would be Doctor Voodoo pimp slappin him too.


Lord Karnaj, Achebe, Hunter, etc etc comes to town? TChalla could spank all them heads solo, but having Blade around is a major help.

Basically? Take a good look at TChalla's old Rogues' Gallery and superhcharge them all.

[url]http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/fajarherwandhan/lists/28-black-panther-rogues-gallery/54536/[/url] ([url]http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/fajarherwandhan/lists/28-black-panther-rogues-gallery/54536/[/url])


 Moses Magnum. Baron Macabre. King Cadaver. The Dragon Circle. Colonel Fritz Klaue. Hellrazor. Madam Slay. Etc. All of em could be crazy ill if they had a major upgrade. They could each be major players in the MU as a whole...if given the kind of menace and upgrade and modernization that Priest gave to Mbaku [ a dude who I thought I would NEEEEEVEEER like ].


You'd definitely be a step up from Coates.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on November 02, 2016, 11:26:24 pm

You'd definitely be a step up from Coates.

Bendis would be a (marginal) step up from Coates. At least he can do fight scenes that don't look like cardboard cutouts, and doesn't try to hide his overall lack of substance with poetry.
Title: Re: Between the World and Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on November 03, 2016, 08:43:14 am
I'd Be done to see what Brother S.I Could weave for Panther Tales. Coates ain't gonna give us what we wanna see
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 03, 2016, 10:52:50 am
There is apparently something inherent in the defining mythos of the Black Panther that necessitates a penchant in too many writers to intellectually devalue, physically and technologically dis-empower and culturally corrupt T'Challa and Wakanda. Say what you will but this is done with purpose and intent. Thus I feel there is no real initiative to have a writer explore the full potential of the Black Panther.

For some writer's the block will manifests as base racism or the reaction to such; for others the lack of comprehending an Afracentric (Afrakan centered), autonomous, socially conscious nation that is grounded in historical victories of Afrakan sovereignty; led by an Afrakan king and queen whose values are focused on family and the advancement and protection of their people.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: A.Curry on November 03, 2016, 01:08:53 pm
http://blavity.com/roxane-gay-talks-scandal-inspired-world-wakanda?utm_content=buffer3d38d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://blavity.com/roxane-gay-talks-scandal-inspired-world-wakanda?utm_content=buffer3d38d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 03, 2016, 01:50:14 pm
That was posted yesterday A.C. See what happens when stop attending meetings.

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Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: A.Curry on November 03, 2016, 09:01:55 pm
That was posted yesterday A.C. See what happens when stop attending meetings.

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HA!
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on November 04, 2016, 12:50:39 pm
Preview of BP:WoW #1.

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Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on November 04, 2016, 01:12:21 pm
BP: WoW Preview (Zenzi's story)

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Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 08, 2016, 10:29:25 pm
These variants are looking good.

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Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 09, 2016, 08:30:53 am
Comicverse wise the light of the Black Panther and Wakanda continues to dim. The supposed love story of the Midnight Angels is told with the simplicity of a Spidey Super Stories tale. There is little depth in which to intrigue readers into the world of Wakanda. Generic conversations high lite overly trite training sessions. The back up story while reading somewhat better still suffered the same malady. This may be the kind of book queer black females want to read but it is most certainly not a book a Black Panther enthusiast looking for insight into the most scientifically and technologically advanced country on the planet would want to read.

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Like its sister book Black Panther, the potential of BP:WOW was there to exploit (arguably still is); the opportunity to expound on the significance of Wakanda was ripe for the picking... all to no avail. A slight and I do mean slight glimmer of change resides in the comments made in the letter page. It read that BP:WOW will be exploring all kinds of Wakandan characters, areas and time periods bought to us by Ta-Nehesi Coates and a roster of creative talent. Let us see if this creative talent will enliven, nuance and expound on T'Challa and Wakanda or continue hedging the potential of the Black Panther to the point that we may loose any affinity to who and what he is supposed to represent.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 10, 2016, 08:08:27 am
Two reviews that support the dissolution of the Black Panther.

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Buy This Comic: Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1
BY AVRY OTT

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It has been a long week, and it is only Wednesday. Thankfully, Wednesday is the best day of the week, being that it is new comic book day. A bunch of great comics came out today, but this column is meant to focus on that one particular, must have comic that should be in everyone’s stack for the week. For my first installment, I am looking at Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1, by writers Ta-Nehisi Coates, Roxanne Gay, and Yona Harvey, as well as artists Alitha Martinez and Afua Richardson.

World of Wakanda is an unprecedented comic, for a lot of reasons. Let’s get this out of the way right now, World of Wakanda is a good comic book. I would go as far as to say a great comic. It is worth buying on those merits alone. Beautifully written, with great art on the main story and the backup, it is one of the best books I have read from Marvel or DC in awhile. However, what makes World of Wakanda especially interesting is the context in which it exists.

To begin, it is a spin-off of Marvel’s recent, successful Black Panther series, also written by Ta-Nehisi Coates. Black Panther is one of the first examples of a character that was previously relegated to being a C or D lister, elevated to the frontlines of superhero comic books through his inclusion in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Similar to how Doctor Strange recently received not only his own solo-series but also a spin-off series called Doctor Strange and the Sorcerers Supreme, right around the same time that his movie released. WoW is also made by a creative team comprised solely of people of color. The comic book industry, especially superhero comics, tend to be a straight, white, able-bodied men. This makes Roxanne Gay, who is coming off of her success with her book Bad Feminist, is one of the first woman of color to work for the company in a creative sense. Lastly, it starts two African women of color who are also in a same-sex relationship, further setting itself apart from the “traditional” superhero comic.

Again, the book is great on its own. It manages to be a fun introduction to Wakanda, while also doing wonders with the characters, having the reader solidly invested in the leads by the end of issue one. This book is special, and even if it isn’t your cup of tea, we need more comics created by and starring, people of color, and we need to support those comics, especially when they are as great as this one.



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Comicosity Review: BLACK PANTHER: WORLD OF WAKANDA #1

Black Panther: World of Wakanda #1 takes us into the lives of the Dora Milaje, showing us what it looks like as they arrive, as they are initiated, and as they form the capacity for intimacy beyond serving together. I like how each of the story elements work together and that there are two primary stories that don’t have to compete for attention. We have the romance between Ayo and Aneka which changes the flair of each character as they train, but also the development of this force as a whole. It’s nice to see so many black women on the page and that they show us a range of emotionality. I look forward to seeing more personalities emerge and how they fit within the larger picture.

Roxanne Gay’s thoughtfulness in crafting the characters, particularly Ayo and Aneka, is exemplary to the point that I wish more writers would follow suit. Reading about the development of women tasked with being their country’s warriors was enough, as I liked the emergence of their unique skills. This relationship, though, is what I wanted to read the comic for and Gay provides an inclusive and authentic exploration into sexual orientation and how it manifests. Characters’ interactions seem fitting for the setting and nature of the story, and Gay has proven that writing these types of stories is absolutely possible.

Yona Harvey and Ta-Nehisi Coates’ exploration into Zenzi’s past reveals more of her motivations within the pages of Black Panther. World of Wakanda feels like the appropriate place to look at her past, providing a new context for her other appearances. This story reflects the pain and struggle of division and how we stratify culture even among the same people. Zenzi as a character is evocative and compelling, and Harvey and Coates explain her motivations and connections to Wakanda in a manner which reveals her as much less a villain than someone with a passionate determination to right the wrongs that surrounded her life.

Alitha E. Martinez hits many important touchstones when portraying black women. Their hairstyles are different, their bodies are different, and they reflect a range of emotionality and sensitivity. These cultural touchstones in art provided by Martinez pushes World of Wakanda #1 to a place we need more of in comics. I love Rachelle Rosenberg’s polished take on color. This entire issue is clean and fresh, offering an everyday kind of appeal to the visuals. Rosenberg’s style changes in the last page, the gloss of warm colors and shadows evoking the dread we will eventually face in the next issue, taking us from the normal day-to-day for Dora Milaje initiates into the reality of their role in Wakanda.

Afua Richardson’s art embraces Zenzi’s experiences growing up, including the complicated emotions which lead her to where she is now. With parts emotion, parts realism, and parts superhuman, Richardson conveys the various parts of Zenzi’s history which impact who she is now. The transitions from soft lines to the jagged appearance of emotion touch on the complexity of living in Wakanda and the fact that moments may quickly change from the soft veneer of everyday life to the rugged struggle for survival.  Tamra Bonvillain tonally guides the reader through an emotional experience mirroring that of Zenzi’s. From the first page of the backup story to its foreshadowing ending, Bonvillain evokes feelings through colors which convey the joy of youth, the sadness of isolation, and the slight serenity of promise and dedication.

I appreciate the care and deliberation evident in the writing and art of this inaugural issue. In a world and in a time where people don’t respect nuance, World of Wakanda is daring to showcase the varying presentations we offer the world. The Dora Milaje is not a bevy of women solely cast as sexual objects; they are warriors, they are cunning, and they are different. This was an excellent creative team to give justice to the women of Wakanda and they have crafted something important in the context of comic and society.

The Verdict: 10/10

http://www.comicosity.com/black-panther-world-of-wakanda-1/ (http://www.comicosity.com/black-panther-world-of-wakanda-1/)

http://www.geek.com/comics/buy-this-comic-black-panther-world-of-wakanda-1-1678822/ (http://www.geek.com/comics/buy-this-comic-black-panther-world-of-wakanda-1-1678822/)


It is all too apparent that in comic books the Black Panther and Wakanda are to be made the stereotypical scapegoats of a destructive cultural paradigm transcribed and illustrated by so called black authors lacking any true depth, insight, creativity or imagination in defining an Afrofuturist, Afrakan centered, sovereign Afrakan nation who's title character is exemplary in all facets of leadership and heroism. These reviews read like the writings of non comic book readers who are complacent with seeing so called diversity and so called people of color literally littering the pages of  a comic book. These reviewers posses a penchant for heralding and promoting the inconsequential  and sub par works thus presented.

My two cents. (trademark and copyrights Mont aka Brother Kimoyo  ;))
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on November 10, 2016, 09:30:21 am
So basically, people are afraid to criticize non comic writers

If the rushed, horrible dialogue, garbage by Gay is 10/10 then... god wtf man?
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on November 10, 2016, 11:43:19 am
Since brother Sal isn't here i'll do it for him

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111165966/3856577-namor_laughing.png)

The only thing moderately correct about the reviews were about Yona's story about Zenzi, Now THAT had potential and i would of much rather read a full issue and even a few issues about Zenzi's Story and what she is about. Yona did a good job with the pages she was alloted to make Zenzi come off interesting.. Gay's depiction.. Bad, bad bad bad. Read like a poorly done Highschool drama, completely transparent and predictable in how everything went down. Lack of character development that felt real. I mean it read like a cheesy fan made love story cliche, but placed into a mythos that it did not fit or belong. I did not feel like i was getting info on Wakanda, It felt like one of those cheap Here is what Wakanda would look like (as a joke) if it were set in a highschool setting with a western view.

Really whats with all the ass patting? because she is a non comic writer and had success with her book means she cannot be realistically criticized so that she can actually get better? Same for Coates everyone acts like they are doing ground breaking stuff and eat it up without looking at it from the other side, where they aren't showing black community unity but dysfunction and pitting men vs women when the mythos established that they are very much equal in Wakanda and both are held in high respect.

I would like to see a true BP fan write a REAL review on this. Not some fluffy "Support this because its POC writing it, no matter how sh*tty it is" and get some brothahs and sistahs who are truly woke, and want to push BP to new heights 
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on November 10, 2016, 03:07:10 pm
Well done Brotha Ezyo. Maj would've been proud.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on November 10, 2016, 04:43:57 pm
Whoooaaaa, a 10/10?!?!

I get stuff like this is subjective...but a 10/10?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yoooooo, that's BS.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on November 10, 2016, 06:55:34 pm
Whoooaaaa, a 10/10?!?!

I get stuff like this is subjective...but a 10/10?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yoooooo, that's BS.

They be reaching. They want it to work which is why they gave it a 10/10. They even said support it anyways Even if it isn't your cup of tea. Why? Because the book sucks (Gay's part) but they want more poc on books. Which is good and all but we need Poc who are actually woke to bring the mythos to new levels
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on November 11, 2016, 02:41:55 pm
So basically, people are afraid to criticize non comic writers

If the rushed, horrible dialogue, garbage by Gay is 10/10 then... god wtf man?

These critics are akin to "someone who just took a bite into a warm piece of sh*t, and are desperately trying to convince themselves that it was really fudge."
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on November 11, 2016, 09:08:05 pm

It is all too apparent that in comic books the Black Panther and Wakanda are to be made the stereotypical scapegoats of a destructive cultural paradigm transcribed and illustrated by so called black authors lacking any true depth, insight, creativity or imagination in defining an Afrofuturist, Afrakan centered, sovereign Afrakan nation who's title character is exemplary in all facets of leadership and heroism. These reviews read like the writings of non comic book readers who are complacent with seeing so called diversity and so called people of color literally littering the pages of  a comic book. These reviewers posses a penchant for heralding and promoting the inconsequential  and sub par works thus presented.

My two cents. (trademark and copyrights Mont aka Brother Kimoyo  ;))


Happy to share "My two cents" with my illustrious brother Ture seeing eye to eye as we usually do.  The reference to a "Spidey" type narrative was particularly astute.  I got the same kinda vibe from the A story while the B story was eerily reminiscent, in story and art, of the Marvel Comics Presents MacGregor run, Panther's Quest.  The featured reviewers do seem.....accommodating?

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on December 31, 2016, 12:46:44 am
The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***    The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***

*** A Vibranium Trumpet Exclusive***
T'Challa the Black Panther Talks to Roxane Gay


(http://cbr1.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/BLAPWAK2016002-DC21-LR.jpg?auto=format&lossless=1&q=90&w=864&h=1311&fit=crop)

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Why are you doing this?

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I'm a bad feminist."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
I won't ask a second time.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe..."

Claws slide out

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"Ta-Nehisi first approached me..."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Are you serious? I haven't got time for this BS. I got a movie set to drop.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
" I do not want to see any more movies about slavery. I have written about this a few times. I understand how horrible slavery was. I understand what it did to the black body, mind and spirit. I understand how the effects of slavery can still be seen in contemporary America."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
My film is about an unconquered Afrakan nation whose people were never enslaved.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I do not need to see another black woman violated or degraded."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Obviously you have not read Coates' iteration of the Black Panther before taking the job. His version is...

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"Historically inaccurate, with one-dimensional women characters whose sexual violation is used as the catalyst..."


(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
And still you ride with him?

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I have no doubt that [Coates] past has affected [Black Panther] but even more damaging has been his willfully dismissive attitude in the aftermath. He doesn’t seem to understand why so many people are troubled..."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Not only that, he lacks the motivation and essential rectitude to write my story from an Afro Futurist perspective, instead claiming high sales numbers as if they represent high art.
 
(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"This brings us to the burden of black art, which is expected to be consumed mindlessly and uncritically so that it might succeed so that more black art can be made. This isn’t how the creation of black art should work. "

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/43/3d/70/433d705025841b74de949fcc1f8a9951.gif)
You and Coates don't talk much do you?


Gay's quoted exerts from
http://roxanegay.tumblr.com/ (http://roxanegay.tumblr.com/)
http://ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel/ (http://ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel/)
page xi of Black Feminist
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on December 31, 2016, 06:54:04 am
gotdamn lol hahha
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on December 31, 2016, 07:28:08 am
And now everyone in the office is looking at me like I'm insane, because I'm laughing hysterically, after having read that.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: JRCarter on December 31, 2016, 08:06:17 am
LMAO
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 31, 2016, 09:36:06 am
How much time did you spend making it????
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on December 31, 2016, 10:01:19 am
How much time did you spend making it????

IDK, about half an hour. I remember reading her comments so the time was spent primarily finding the source material. The pictures were an easy Google.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on December 31, 2016, 10:46:22 am
Wait those are her Actual quotes??
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on December 31, 2016, 02:06:31 pm
Wait those are her Actual quotes??


Her actual quotes, contextualized for entertainment purposes. The sources are listed below the last picture.

The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***    The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***

*** A Vibranium Trumpet Exclusive***
T'Challa the Black Panther Talks to Roxane Gay


(http://cbr1.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/BLAPWAK2016002-DC21-LR.jpg?auto=format&lossless=1&q=90&w=864&h=1311&fit=crop)

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Why are you doing this?

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I'm a bad feminist."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
I won't ask a second time.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe..."

Claws slide out

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"Ta-Nehisi first approached me..."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Are you serious? I haven't got time for this BS. I got a movie set to drop.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
" I do not want to see any more movies about slavery. I have written about this a few times. I understand how horrible slavery was. I understand what it did to the black body, mind and spirit. I understand how the effects of slavery can still be seen in contemporary America."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
My film is about an unconquered Afrakan nation whose people were never enslaved.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I do not need to see another black woman violated or degraded."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Obviously you have not read Coates' iteration of the Black Panther before taking the job. His version is...

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"Historically inaccurate, with one-dimensional women characters whose sexual violation is used as the catalyst..."


(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
And still you ride with him?

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I have no doubt that [Coates] past has affected [Black Panther] but even more damaging has been his willfully dismissive attitude in the aftermath. He doesn’t seem to understand why so many people are troubled..."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Not only that, he lacks the motivation and essential rectitude to write my story from an Afro Futurist perspective, instead claiming high sales numbers as if they represent high art.
 
(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"This brings us to the burden of black art, which is expected to be consumed mindlessly and uncritically so that it might succeed so that more black art can be made. This isn’t how the creation of black art should work. "

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/43/3d/70/433d705025841b74de949fcc1f8a9951.gif)
You and Coates don't talk much do you?


Gay's quoted exerts from
http://roxanegay.tumblr.com/ (http://roxanegay.tumblr.com/)
http://ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel/ (http://ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel/)
page xi of Black Feminist
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on January 14, 2017, 08:01:54 am
Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda #2 outsells Coates' Black Panther #9
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html)

Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on January 14, 2017, 08:23:36 am
Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda #2 outsells Coates' Black Panther #9
[url]http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html[/url] ([url]http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html[/url])


Naw, it out ordered Coates BP

BP was #44 in actual sales, WoW was #94

Marvel either shipped a ton extra... or stores severely over estimated how many people would be returning to buy the book after #1
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on January 14, 2017, 09:04:17 am
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016 (http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016)

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on January 14, 2017, 11:32:24 am
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on January 14, 2017, 11:53:15 am
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.


Good looking out MindofShadow. I'll use that, thanks.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on January 14, 2017, 05:28:03 pm
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.


I totally I called that this book would flop early. Unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the unmitigated hubris and delusions of both Gay and her pathetic, simp, sycophant, Coates (who is on the record saying that he's disregarding the fans) will continue this downward spiral.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on January 14, 2017, 08:57:18 pm
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of [url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url] ([url]http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016[/url])

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.


I totally I called that this book would flop early. Unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the unmitigated hubris and delusions of both Gay and her pathetic, simp, sycophant, Coates (who is on the record saying that he's disregarding the fans) will continue this downward spiral.


We need a BP WOW relaunch as well as a BP Solo relaunch from REAL fan's of the character. To get him back to status quo. These two joker's need to go back to their day jobs
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on January 14, 2017, 10:02:13 pm
Pink slips are being prepared as we write...
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on February 18, 2017, 10:20:30 am
(https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/blapwak2016006_cov.jpg?w=860&h=1290)

The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***    The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***

*** A Vibranium Trumpet Exclusive***
T'Challa the Black Panther Fires Roxane Gay

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Roxane Gay! You have failed this comic!

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
Why are you sounding like Batman or is that Arrow?

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
You were the first so called black woman to write for Marvel, to write the premiere Afrakan so called black super hero... look what you have wrought.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
"I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe..."

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Black Panther World of Wakanda is supposed to be about me and my country. Exploring our rich history and expanding on my mythos through an Afro futurist lens not some LGBT fantasy trip.

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
What's wrong with writing about LGBT issues. Are you a Homophobe?

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
Why not write about Afrakan centered, culture consciousness as viewed through a nation of unconquered Afrofuturist? Did Coates actually interview you?
 
(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
Yes. He asked me several questions. Which genres do you especially enjoy reading? And which do you avoid?

"I love literary fiction so long as it is not about (a) writers, (b) sad white people in sad marriages or (c) sad white writers in bad marriages. I know literary fiction tends to lack plot, but I don’t care. I also love spy thrillers, novels about drug cartels, and the like. I read a fair amount of poetry. I work pretty hard to avoid self-help books. I’m beyond the kind of redemption offered by those books."

Who is your favorite fictional hero or heroine? Your favorite antihero or villain?

"I have a real soft spot for Dirk Pitt from the Clive Cussler books when he still wrote them himself. Dirk is this amazing, handsome, brash, adventurous guy who loves the ocean and cars and his sidekick Al Giordino. And he just always knows what he needs to know exactly when he knows it. He wouldn’t get kicked out of bed is all I’m saying. And in the books, he doesn’t get kicked out of bed."

"My favorite villain is Annie Wilkes in Stephen King’s “Misery.” She was certainly . . . committed. You have to admire that. And I also recognize that beneath her pathology, she was just lonely. I understand what loneliness can make a woman do."

What kind of reader were you as a child? Which childhood books and authors stick with you most?

"I was a voracious reader as a child. Books were my escape and my salvation from being a nerdy little loser. The “Little House on the Prairie” books were certainly the most formative books for me. I read anything and everything I could get my hands on, and my parents did not censor my reading at all, so I also have fond memories of “The Clan of the Cave Bear” and the like. Things happened on pelts that blew my young mind."


(https://media0.giphy.com/media/4VD1avjV0E4cE/200_s.gif)
WTF. You didn't mention one comic book character nor did you demonstrate any interest in comic books. You're fired!

(http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Roxane-Gay.jpg)
Now you sound like Donald Trump...or is that Schwarzenegger. Wait... fired?

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I will be bringing on Rembert Browne of New York Magazine to replace you. We're killing off Kasper Cole, another poor decision made without my consent. I call this killing two birds with one stone.

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Wait you cant fire me... "I'm the first woman of color to write for Marvel."

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I don't care.

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Really? Sticks and stones Ms Gay, sticks and stones.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on March 15, 2017, 12:30:49 am
The final issue of Roxane Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda

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Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on March 15, 2017, 10:50:54 am
(http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/black-panther-world-of-wakanda-2016/5/1.jpg)

Of all the poorly written iterations of the Black Panther as scribed by Maberry, Hickman, Coates and Gay I find the last two writers the most difficult to stomach. I think Gay is going out of her way to make Maberry look good as Hickman's BP can now be considered the best of the lot. The insults to both the Black Panther and Waknada continue unabated.

Everything from storytelling to the art is common and trite. Fight scenes, the use of grappling hooks, wardrobe and motorcycle crashes. Nothing that distinguishes Wakanda as the most scientifically and technologically advance nation on earth. Speaking of which what is Wakanda aversion to creating their own nanites? Stane is supplying the nanites to enhance Folami. DM commanders die easy not to mention an air of dismissal regarding the DM by a Wakandan man. This serves the black feminist agenda and continues the narrative of no one man hell no good men in Wakanda.

Gay finally got some of her friends I mean fans to post on her letter page. Speaking of which the ad for the next issue of WoW teased Kasper the once and (and future?) Black Panther. I won't be surprised if Gay returns for a second season despite declining sales.

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #4
$3.99
MAR
    17,454

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #3
$3.99
MAR
    25,248

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #2
$3.99
MAR
    45,009

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #1
$4.99
MAR
    57,073

Here's a few pics for those who don't buy the comic just to get a feel of what I'm saying.

 
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Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on March 15, 2017, 11:30:27 am
The final issue of Roxane Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda

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Yep BP WOW has been a cringe fest, littered with Extremely biased agenda's and opinions, a poor representation of Wakanda and Wakandan men, Poor excuses for why T'challa hasn't already been handling this mess, terrible dialogue, terrible art, terrible writer, and all our stupid story that barely filed in any of the gaps between AvX till now, and the areas they did decide to touch on, where butchered and really show just how terrrible Gay is at writing comics and why she didn't deserve to be on the book. Ignoring Continuity in order to get your forced narrative out is not the way to handle Black Panther. I seriously hope the Mythos gets some REAL talent to come in here and clean up the mess Gay and Coates have made.. Soon
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 15, 2017, 02:16:45 pm
You know... These books would be more acceptable is they created another African Nation lead by the Golden Lion and his sister.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: CvilleWakandan on March 15, 2017, 03:12:27 pm
I think that is a sentiment a lot of BP fans have. We're not saying he is a bad writer, but he is defiantly a bad BP/Wakanda writer.

Although I think if he was on another book, it would still be boring.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Emperorjones on March 15, 2017, 03:36:15 pm
Ture,

Loving your Roxanne Gay posts. Are those actual quotes?

And I'm being petty right now but good riddance to World of Wakanda. I didn't buy one issue and I'm glad for that. However I can see Marvel putting Gay on another book to save face and to avoid criticism of letting her go.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Hypestyle on March 16, 2017, 04:21:38 am
is the book really canceled?  How many issues did it last?

seems like there could be room for the series to continue as a semi-anthology, different writers taking on Wakandan characters at different points in history.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on March 16, 2017, 05:07:59 am
is the book really canceled?  How many issues did it last?

seems like there could be room for the series to continue as a semi-anthology, different writers taking on Wakandan characters at different points in history.

It is done at #6.

The Midnight Angel Story finished with #5. #6 is a Kasper focused.

Sales were sh*t. Can't continue something if sales are garbage.

Marvel made the mistake thinking they could simply take their new lesbian couple, throw on a lesbian writer + a mix of BP fans who have been begging for a World of Wakanda type book and that would keep sales high enough.

Unfortunately, at least on the "BP Fans" side of things... the book didn't explore the World of Wakanda at all and continued to throw shade at the one character that matters.

And then, the tumblr crowd is never as big as they seem. But really, I don't blame them here, because it was written so atrociously, I wouldn't blame a single soul for dropping the book after one issue. Gay really is one of the worst writers I have ever seen write a marvel comic book.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on March 16, 2017, 07:39:39 am
Ture,

Loving your Roxanne Gay posts. Are those actual quotes?

And I'm being petty right now but good riddance to World of Wakanda. I didn't buy one issue and I'm glad for that. However I can see Marvel putting Gay on another book to save face and to avoid criticism of letting her go.

Thank you Emperorjones. Yes. Her actual words I put in quotations and then contextualized them for entertainment purposes.

I don't know for certain if the World of Wakanda is canceled or even if Gay is off the book. I didn't find any solicitations for #7. If Marvel were smart they would get rid of Coates just before the movie release in February. Relaunch the family of titles with Christopher Priest writing the Black Panther solo series; Reginald Hudlin writing The Crew; then have Priest and Hudlin team up to write the World of Wakanda. While they are at it get Warren Ellis to write a Black Panther and Wakanda centered Ultimates. 2018 the year of the real Black Panther!

Marvel should engage a new initiative by hiring true BP enthusiasts as a consulting team to assist in storytelling, research and editorial. I would be open to that so long as the focus would be Afrakan centered futurist concepts interspliced with the logical progression of the character. In addition the events from Deadliest of the Species up to the Coatesverse have to be retconned and rewritten.
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on March 21, 2017, 09:01:51 pm
BLACK PANTHER #15
TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • WILFREDO TORRES (A)
“AVENGERS OF THE NEW WORLD” CONTINUES!
• The gods of Wakanda have forsaken T’Challa and his nation.
• As monsters of might and myth flood our world, the Midnight Angels must act…
• But whose interests do they serve? The crown’s or their own?

BLACK PANTHER AND THE CREW #3
TA-NEHISI COATES (W) • BUTCH GUICE (A)
• When the Black Panther makes it known that he too was an associate of Ezra Miller, the late Harlem community pillar and social activist who died in police custody, the case finds new life.
• Was there more to Miller than he let on? Was his activism a front for something larger?
• One thing’s for certain: What’s happening in Harlem is not new. It stretches back decades. The secret super hero history of the Marvel Universe continues!


ULTIMATES 2 #8
AL EWING (W) • AUD KOCH (A)
COVER BY CHRISTIAN WARD
• Galactus faces the ultimate battle with his oldest enemy — Ego, the Living Planet!
• But if the Devourer of Worlds could never fully defeat the Living Planet — what chance does the Lifebringer have?
• Tell no one about the astonishing ending of this epic issue, True Believer! Some things are too good to spoil!

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With solicits like these, can I have my job back?
Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on March 23, 2017, 07:28:24 pm
Courtesy of UltimateTy at CBR:
Quote from: UltimateTy;2695105
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https://news.marvel.com/comics/62091/world-wakanda-return-kasper-cole/ (https://news.marvel.com/comics/62091/world-wakanda-return-kasper-cole/)

So far Given the interview the guy seems to like Kasper atleast and may do some good. The art looks good so far. I wonder if he will pull a Yona, Do well for the small amount of space he was given and make us wish it were him that wrote a 6 issue mini about kasper rather then Gay's boring ass MA story



Title: Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on March 23, 2017, 09:54:26 pm
Courtesy of UltimateTy at CBR:
Quote from: UltimateTy;2695105
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https://news.marvel.com/comics/62091/world-wakanda-return-kasper-cole/ (https://news.marvel.com/comics/62091/world-wakanda-return-kasper-cole/)

So far Given the interview the guy seems to like Kasper atleast and may do some good. The art looks good so far. I wonder if he will pull a Yona, Do well for the small amount of space he was given and make us wish it were him that wrote a 6 issue mini about kasper rather then Gay's boring ass MA story





Thanks for posting Ezyo. You beat me to it.

It shouldn't be hard to surpass what Gay wrote. Looks like T'Challa is given Kasper some motivation. To me Kasper's story should have been one of his recruitment by Hunter into the Hatut Zeraze. The mentor, disciple relationship between the two would have been a welcome addition. A tale of two outsiders who got the opportunity to look behind the veil of Wakanda.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Emperorjones on March 24, 2017, 01:03:19 am
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

I can also see Coates liking Kasper because this the city Panther is really the kind of story Coates needs to be writing. I think he's on more comfortable ground writing about the issues and in the milieu that Kasper operated in during Priest's run. I wonder how well Coates would do if he wrote Daredevil, Moon Knight, or Punisher? Something that would allow him to write about urban life and crime without perhaps not as many racial/gender hangups for at least the main character in those books that he has for T'Challa.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Battle on March 24, 2017, 06:02:25 am
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

*sigh*

You've got it all figured out, eh?
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on March 24, 2017, 07:20:26 am
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

Kasper was Coates' introduction to the BP-verse.

When Coates jumped into the Priest run, he got into it late, towards the tale end of it. The Kasper stories were the first BP stories he ever read.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on March 24, 2017, 09:13:38 am
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

I can also see Coates liking Kasper because this the city Panther is really the kind of story Coates needs to be writing. I think he's on more comfortable ground writing about the issues and in the milieu that Kasper operated in during Priest's run. I wonder how well Coates would do if he wrote Daredevil, Moon Knight, or Punisher? Something that would allow him to write about urban life and crime without perhaps not as many racial/gender hangups for at least the main character in those books that he has for T'Challa.

I feel you EJ. I think Coates' leaning would be urban centered and most certainly place him in thematically familiar territories. Gay World of Wakanda, the Black Crew and Kasper's Visions of Wakanda are being marketed as palatable iterations of a too often sidelined main character.

Black Panther World of Wakanda should be an anthology of Wakanda's past, present and future all centered around the Black Panther. Stories of Wakandan submarines attacking slave ships; first contact with the Kree and Shiar; T'Challa's quest to perfect his martial training by fighting the best like Shang Chi and the warriors of Kun Lun. Go political by discussing Wakanda's manipulations to unify the Afrakan continent through their version of Pan Afrakanism.

Go all in with Black Panther World of Wakanda and have T'Challa do a discourse on alternate timelines and retcon everything back to the point before Doom ambushed him. Those events did not occur in the 616 universe and were a result of T'Challa using the Nowhere Room to be in multiple places at once and the cost was a far less than perfect replica of himself across multiple dimensions.

While T'Challa attempts to perfect the Nowhere Room he forms The Ultimates (instead of joining the Illuminati) and The Crew. He influences, manipulates and controls them as extensions of himself for the protection of  Wakanda and the world.

Throughout much of the Black Panther's published history writers and editors have demonstrated a serious lack of imagination and comprehension concerning what an empowered, autonomous Afrakan nation and its leadership would look like. Time to put an end to such nonsense. Hire Afrakan centered visionary writers, editors and artist that can not only interpret the Black Panther but can consistently manifest such. Nuff said.


 



Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on March 24, 2017, 10:31:44 am
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

I can also see Coates liking Kasper because this the city Panther is really the kind of story Coates needs to be writing. I think he's on more comfortable ground writing about the issues and in the milieu that Kasper operated in during Priest's run. I wonder how well Coates would do if he wrote Daredevil, Moon Knight, or Punisher? Something that would allow him to write about urban life and crime without perhaps not as many racial/gender hangups for at least the main character in those books that he has for T'Challa.

I feel you EJ. I think Coates' leaning would be urban centered and most certainly place him in thematically familiar territories. Gay World of Wakanda, the Black Crew and Kasper's Visions of Wakanda are being marketed as palatable iterations of a too often sidelined main character.

Black Panther World of Wakanda should be an anthology of Wakanda's past, present and future all centered around the Black Panther. Stories of Wakandan submarines attacking slave ships; first contact with the Kree and Shiar; T'Challa's quest to perfect his martial training by fighting the best like Shang Chi and the warriors of Kun Lun. Go political by discussing Wakanda's manipulations to unify the Afrakan continent through their version of Pan Afrakanism.

Go all in with Black Panther World of Wakanda and have T'Challa do a discourse on alternate timelines and retcon everything back to the point before Doom ambushed him. Those events did not occur in the 616 universe and were a result of T'Challa using the Nowhere Room to be in multiple places at once and the cost was a far less than perfect replica of himself across multiple dimensions.

While T'Challa attempts to perfect the Nowhere Room he forms The Ultimates (instead of joining the Illuminati) and The Crew. He influences, manipulates and controls them as extensions of himself for the protection of  Wakanda and the world.

Throughout much of the Black Panther's published history writers and editors have demonstrated a serious lack of imagination and comprehension concerning what an empowered, autonomous Afrakan nation and its leadership would look like. Time to put an end to such nonsense. Hire Afrakan centered visionary writers, editors and artist that can not only interpret the Black Panther but can consistently manifest such. Nuff said.


Honestly at this point i just want T'Challa moving forward, I actually don't even mind at this point him joining the Illuminate and even think it would be cool if him, Strange, Namor, and BB all got together (and the world started freaking out thinking that they were forming the Illuminate again) and were doing some stuff. Less secretive, but not exactly being transparent either. Add in some new members since Tony and Reed are gone, and just do some cool Sh*t

I think its BS that Hela or whoever killed Proxima as that should of been a Wakandan vengeance story, of them hunting down the rest of the Cabal, Bu i wouldn't mind if we saw a Wakandan Alpha Flight with them taking to the stars and encountering some new alien race (or better yet, do an Event on the Origins of Vibranium and have them come to earth to get it back for their forces) and have Wakanda be at the forefront of the Event and Earth's secret weapon to stopping the Invasion
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Emperorjones on March 24, 2017, 02:25:38 pm
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

Kasper was Coates' introduction to the BP-verse.

When Coates jumped into the Priest run, he got into it late, towards the tale end of it. The Kasper stories were the first BP stories he ever read.

Thanks Wakandan. I didn't know that Kasper was that intro character for Coates.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Emperorjones on March 24, 2017, 02:31:55 pm
^
So, Coates seems to like Kasper? I wonder why? Is it because Kasper is biracial and was involved with a non-black woman during Priest's run? Kasper might be the kind of black male that is acceptable to Coates's white liberal friends. The only thing that would make him more acceptable is if Kasper is now gay/bisexual.

*sigh*

You've got it all figured out, eh?

I guess you didn't see the question marks Battle before you sought to weigh in here. Nor am I guessing you haven't seen or read my various critiques of Coates's run or the other critiques of his run which do speculate that Coates panders to a white liberal readership or his white liberal colleagues on various boards here. But then again, after our many, many tussles I'm not expecting you quite frankly to go that in depth. You have your beliefs and assertions and that's that. And hey, to each his own. But if you have it all figured out then please enlighten me as only you can.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 24, 2017, 03:04:47 pm

I think its BS that Hela or whoever killed Proxima as that should of been a Wakandan vengeance story, of them hunting down the rest of the Cabal, Bu i wouldn't mind if we saw a Wakandan Alpha Flight with them taking to the stars and encountering some new alien race (or better yet, do an Event on the Origins of Vibranium and have them come to earth to get it back for their forces) and have Wakanda be at the forefront of the Event and Earth's secret weapon to stopping the Invasion [/size][/b]

Don't worry Proxima will come back to life.  (Especially, since she might be showing up in Infinity War movies.)
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 13, 2017, 06:35:28 am
Last Call for Alcohol!

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With BP-WoW less than a week to wait... I find myself underwhelm with the proliferation of Black Panther comic books. He is starring in four books this month, headlining three of them and I literally have little interest. I doubt Coates will do a better job with Kasper than he did with T'Challa. After all he didn't do his pet project the Midnight Angels any real justice.

At this stage we are going to need a Black Panther Kills the Marvel Universe to get back on point.


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Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on April 13, 2017, 06:48:36 am
Coates writer friend with no comic experience is writing this, not Coates

Worked out well with Gay....


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 :-[
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 13, 2017, 07:58:48 am
Not gonna lie guys.. I saw the preview and i got a little excited... Its bad but This preview is actually not bad


http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/04/13/exclusive-marvel-preview-black-panther-world-of-wakanda-6/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/04/13/exclusive-marvel-preview-black-panther-world-of-wakanda-6/)
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 13, 2017, 04:08:10 pm
Coates writer friend with no comic experience is writing this, not Coates

Worked out well with Gay....


....


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...


 :-[

True dat. I saw Coates name on the cover and thought he may have co written or contributed somehow. This preview didn't read quite the same as Caotes not to mention this T'Challa had a little more bite to him. I wonder what the future holds for World of Wakanda? Anyways... til next week.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on April 13, 2017, 04:46:41 pm
WoW is cancelled, there is no solicit for #7
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 13, 2017, 05:41:53 pm
Which will be a shame of Kasper Cole's story is actually good. Maybe if it's sh*t they might revamp BP WOW with someone with a talent for comics
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 13, 2017, 06:11:41 pm
WoW is cancelled, there is no solicit for #7

Usually Marvel announces cancellations. I wonder if it were a limited run or if it is on hiatus? Same question about BP and the Crew.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on April 13, 2017, 07:19:06 pm
I read something about that, somewhere... if memory serves, Marvel usually doesn't solicit limited series as such, because they never sell as well.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on April 14, 2017, 04:28:10 am
I read something about that, somewhere... if memory serves, Marvel usually doesn't solicit limited series as such, because they never sell as well.

I remember Breevort saying that.

But at the same time... the label minis all the time. Unworthy Thor is one such recent example.

If this would have sold, it would have kept going. But it was under the death line by issue 3. If Kasper story sells above 15K, i'll be stunned.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 14, 2017, 06:44:31 am
Marvel should be mindful about cheapening the Black Panther brand by using his name to sell poorly written books or discrediting and sidelining the main character. The buying audience came for the Black Panther, so why this focus on the Midnight Angels and Kasper?  It almost seems as if Marvel is intentionally trying to sabotage the Black Panther or present some fractured token of the character's potential. There doesn't seem to be a comparable, sustainable interest in the Midnight Angels or Kasper, so the intelligent move would be all attention on Black Panther and Wakanda and let the supporting characters support.

Marvel needs to come to the understanding that an empowering, culturally focused, action packed, politically driven, Afro-futuristic fantasy is what people are coming to the Black Panther for. Not to mention it can indeed be highly profitable. That was the motivation that drove those numbers up on Coates first four issues. This is the expectation fueling the interest in the movie (hopefully it will deliver). Perhaps and this just a perhaps Marvel will realize they need to sync their movies and comics starting with Black Panther.


Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on April 14, 2017, 07:18:02 am
I think you can do spin off issues on supporting cast like Kasper and MA...

but it should exist prop up T'challa. Not tear him down with subtle jabs.

The issue with the WoW MA issues is that they spent 5 issues telling us how much T'challa sucks at his job and how the Dora's were basically "his" to do with what he pleases

It wasn't until Shuri was back alive that anyone bothered to defend T'challa. T'challa didn't even defend T'challa until his conversation with Changamire.

So you get 7 issues of "T'challa sucks" narrative in his main book then 5 issues of "T'challa sucks" in a spin off book... for what is a lot of peoples first exposure to T'challa nad Wakanda. And they see an ineffectual king and a burning country.

All on the heals a movie where he was anything but weak and ineffectual.

Look at the popular iterations of the character (being blunt for bluntness sake)

Priest- took no sh*t... and completely re-invented the character

Hudlin- took no sh*t

MCU- took no sh*t.

So their response to this was... Coatsville and Gaysville?
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on April 14, 2017, 07:54:38 am
Marvel should be mindful about cheapening the Black Panther brand by using his name to sell poorly written books or discrediting and sidelining the main character. The buying audience came for the Black Panther, so why this focus on the Midnight Angels and Kasper?


The same reason I suspect that BP & The Crew is--so far--focused on Misty Knight: Marvel is trying to expand their roster.

I theorized in another thread that Marvel has little faith in their black characters outside of T'Challa and Luke Cage selling books (see Storm, Mosaic, Moon Girl w/o the Scholastic sales, etc).

Thus, just like Marvel is having Miles, Riri, and Sam Wilson go through mantles as a means of promotion, Marvel is now having black superheroes get some shine via the BP franchise, with the hope that, at some point, said characters will eventually get enough popularity and branch off.

As for T'Challa himself, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel is wagering that the BP film will do the heavy lifting in promoting him. Add the fact that the BP book is still selling (especially in digital), and Marvel probably feels that they are (and will) do right by him.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 14, 2017, 08:24:36 am
I think you can do spin off issues on supporting cast like Kasper and MA...

but it should exist prop up T'challa. Not tear him down with subtle jabs.

The issue with the WoW MA issues is that they spent 5 issues telling us how much T'challa sucks at his job and how the Dora's were basically "his" to do with what he pleases

It wasn't until Shuri was back alive that anyone bothered to defend T'challa. T'challa didn't even defend T'challa until his conversation with Changamire.

So you get 7 issues of "T'challa sucks" narrative in his main book then 5 issues of "T'challa sucks" in a spin off book... for what is a lot of peoples first exposure to T'challa nad Wakanda. And they see an ineffectual king and a burning country.

All on the heals a movie where he was anything but weak and ineffectual.

Look at the popular iterations of the character (being blunt for bluntness sake)

Priest- took no sh*t... and completely re-invented the character

Hudlin- took no sh*t

MCU- took no sh*t.

So their response to this was... Coatsville and Gaysville?

Excatly, Coates and Gay have had this agenda from Day one and that has completely overshadowed continuity, character personality, and the Characters capabilities as well as Wakandas in general, and in the end the ended up making everyone look bad. Wakanda Losses in the End and makes the most advance nation on earth seems rather pathetic. Honestly If the Story atleast focused on both sides, rather then Everyone bandwagoning against T'challa (BP WOw should of focused on Shuri and the MA, showing the missing pieces hickman had to gloss over) and literally repeating the same lines over and over. Showing a lack of subtly and constant repetition in a bad way.

I Serious wonder why Marvel even thought it was a good idea to let T'Challa get torn down in such a horrible manner when his MCU counterpart came off as a take no Sh*t from anyone. All We can even hope for (unfortunately) is that now that Coates got to tell his bias story, he now decides to showing a better t'challa and not suckville.

Honestly Yona and Rembert from the brief showings we have seen of them have been the only ones out of the 4 of them to not completely sh*t on t'challa, Hell Rembert in the Preview has T'Challa have some damn balls and correct Kasper and that in itself has some of us here looking forward to the issue.. Which shows just how pathetic Coates and Gay have been in showcasing T'challa
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Salustrade on April 14, 2017, 01:58:00 pm
I think you can do spin off issues on supporting cast like Kasper and MA...

but it should exist prop up T'challa. Not tear him down with subtle jabs.

The issue with the WoW MA issues is that they spent 5 issues telling us how much T'challa sucks at his job and how the Dora's were basically "his" to do with what he pleases

It wasn't until Shuri was back alive that anyone bothered to defend T'challa. T'challa didn't even defend T'challa until his conversation with Changamire.

So you get 7 issues of "T'challa sucks" narrative in his main book then 5 issues of "T'challa sucks" in a spin off book... for what is a lot of peoples first exposure to T'challa nad Wakanda. And they see an ineffectual king and a burning country.

All on the heals a movie where he was anything but weak and ineffectual.

Look at the popular iterations of the character (being blunt for bluntness sake)

Priest- took no sh*t... and completely re-invented the character

Hudlin- took no sh*t

MCU- took no sh*t.

So their response to this was... Coatsville and Gaysville?

Excatly, Coates and Gay have had this agenda from Day one and that has completely overshadowed continuity, character personality, and the Characters capabilities as well as Wakandas in general, and in the end the ended up making everyone look bad. Wakanda Losses in the End and makes the most advance nation on earth seems rather pathetic. Honestly If the Story atleast focused on both sides, rather then Everyone bandwagoning against T'challa (BP WOw should of focused on Shuri and the MA, showing the missing pieces hickman had to gloss over) and literally repeating the same lines over and over. Showing a lack of subtly and constant repetition in a bad way.

I Serious wonder why Marvel even thought it was a good idea to let T'Challa get torn down in such a horrible manner when his MCU counterpart came off as a take no Sh*t from anyone. All We can even hope for (unfortunately) is that now that Coates got to tell his bias story, he now decides to showing a better t'challa and not suckville.

Honestly Yona and Rembert from the brief showings we have seen of them have been the only ones out of the 4 of them to not completely sh*t on t'challa, Hell Rembert in the Preview has T'Challa have some damn balls and correct Kasper and that in itself has some of us here looking forward to the issue.. Which shows just how pathetic Coates and Gay have been in showcasing T'challa

Coates and Gay had no interest in showcasing anything positive about the BP mythos as both saw said mythos as an opportunity to push their own personal biased sjw agendas specifically as regards feminist/lgbt faux posturing.

Anyone expecting anything different from Coates moving forward, is a damned fool.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on April 14, 2017, 02:29:29 pm
This is probably the worst case of deconstruction that I've seen. Take the worst BP writers that you can think of and even they gave T'Challa his moments. Not Coates. He's done such a number on T'Challa and Wakanda that the person who comes behind him will have a isht load to clean up.

He was ill-informed on T'Challa and Wakanda, puting his own political views in the mouths of the characters so that he could push the false agenda.

T'Challa so far:

His feats are nothing, his tech borrowed from others, his intelligence is subpar and his tactical skills are a joke.

He struggles with villains that should be a minor annoyance and he seeks the advice of brutal dictators when dealing with his own people.

Wakanda has devolved into a Third World country right under his nose and he doesn't notice or care.

The Doras are the only "heroes" in Coates tale because the men are either thugs, dumb, ineffective or all three.

I could go on but then I'm sure that all of thes points and more have been brought up on multiple occasions.

Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 14, 2017, 03:14:18 pm
Looks like this is the weapon the MA carry is based on. A missed opportunity by Coates to explain African culture

I would like to thank Milton Davis for guiding me to this on an unrelated topic. He was talking about how it was used against the French or Spanish and was so feared when thrown defenders would rather guard against it than arrows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rungu_(weapon)
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on April 14, 2017, 03:15:37 pm
The Stick is real??

Neat
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on April 14, 2017, 03:52:33 pm
The Stick is real??

Neat

Not a major surprise.  Throwing sticks have been around for centuries.

(I've heard no complaints about any of Stelfreeze's designs.  Only the story they are attached to. :) )
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 19, 2017, 12:43:56 pm
By far the best issue of Black Panther World of Wakanda

(https://i0.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BLAPWAK2016006_int_LR3-2.jpg?resize=675%2C1024)

Best iteration of T'Challa in the Coatverse
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Yfz-T49AOuq70re_I2v5jOV7_nl-Fhds9m_wWZAT4sziNCP--_dl_lNd9CConW__bU8O8x-
bvpVwearpeUK1y6PCr2do9g2UOnC31Rub4ZEpHsxsNUDS2r69FoJ5qRPY_kI3=s0)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/U7FBd9hE8y4Z9X_KCDS1ENDRl0Y7qZLp9ZCjJ4UndBIVubkqvd57LsUfb08Zvkat5UjbRBar8uANPYiGnS9f023x2XA1ZMAQ84jc0gevNSvtdB3erOETqya2Cr7Znj3php-A=s0)

Best action art scenes in the Coatesverse
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/XhubDJUU02vzgNR6XgIpuKAeFP8Av2hfkvpeeRLlkl9Qc1tZJ2l6NABFb2w5I7m67fpuG8nM99W28-E7_hYTPmFzI7JDNQmaXL5nvj4xdQ6A-88NtiChMsismI4I_poVgRdj=s0)

Positive ending, potential start
(https://i.imgur.com/394G4Ch.jpg)

Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 19, 2017, 01:43:14 pm
By far the best issue of Black Panther World of Wakanda

([url]https://i0.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BLAPWAK2016006_int_LR3-2.jpg?resize=675%2C1024[/url])

Best iteration of T'Challa in the Coatverse
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Yfz-T49AOuq70re_I2v5jOV7_nl-Fhds9m_wWZAT4sziNCP--_dl_lNd9CConW__bU8O8x-[/url]
bvpVwearpeUK1y6PCr2do9g2UOnC31Rub4ZEpHsxsNUDS2r69FoJ5qRPY_kI3=s0)

([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/U7FBd9hE8y4Z9X_KCDS1ENDRl0Y7qZLp9ZCjJ4UndBIVubkqvd57LsUfb08Zvkat5UjbRBar8uANPYiGnS9f023x2XA1ZMAQ84jc0gevNSvtdB3erOETqya2Cr7Znj3php-A=s0[/url])

Best action art scenes in the Coatesverse
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/XhubDJUU02vzgNR6XgIpuKAeFP8Av2hfkvpeeRLlkl9Qc1tZJ2l6NABFb2w5I7m67fpuG8nM99W28-E7_hYTPmFzI7JDNQmaXL5nvj4xdQ6A-88NtiChMsismI4I_poVgRdj=s0[/url])

Positive ending, potential start
([url]https://i.imgur.com/394G4Ch.jpg[/url])


Someone Let Rembert Brown The rookie writer starof Coates associates, get a BP solo going, In one issue he made a coherent, modernized, action pack issue with good showings for all and a T'challa with balls again and some Bass in his voice. By the looks of things, There will be another ongoing considering the final pages. So hopefully this guy can get on board and continue some solid writing.

Rembert and Yona have been the only ones to write some decent BP stuff, ironically they had the least amount of space to work with yet managed to make every page count
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on April 19, 2017, 01:45:52 pm
Does this Rembert dude hav ea twitter?

We should all find him and praise him if he does.

He seems to have talent for this. Didn't waste a single panel.

Might help to have a Vet with art too.

Can we get Bennet on the main book?
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: The Wakandan on April 19, 2017, 01:50:10 pm
Does this Rembert dude hav ea twitter?

We should all find him and praise him if he does.

He seems to have talent for this. Didn't waste a single panel.

Might help to have a Vet with art too.

Can we get Bennet on the main book?

You can find him here:

https://twitter.com/rembert
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 19, 2017, 02:09:31 pm
World of Wakanda should have started with this story.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BLAPWAK2016006_int_LR3-2.jpg?resize=675%2C1024)
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 19, 2017, 02:38:24 pm
I thought Kasper should have long ago been under the mentorship of Hunter the White Wolf to be trained as a Hatut Zeraze. That would have been an excellent buddy tale of travel, training and adventures that could have been told in the pages of WoW. While he and Hunter would develop a close bond as obvious Wakandan outsiders, Hunter's methods cause Kasper to go his own way thus becoming the Ghost Panther. Kasper gets the new costume (not sure I like the open mouth part but it does distinguish him and that I do like) from T"challa (as seen below) and is assigned to The Crew along with Sofija to represents T'Challa's interest. Kasper and Sofia have to become a couple of course.

In the pages of WoW I would have enjoyed reading about Shuri becoming head of Wakandan Design Group and wearing the Panther Armor she and her team constructed and use a code name like "Wild Cat". I couldn't think of a name off the top of my head so I just used that one. One good thing Coates did do was to ascribe an Afrakan translation to the name Black Panther. She could be a technophile and master business woman taking WDG to new heights. I would have her get involved with James Rhodes and have them adventure together before his demise. When she takes the mantle of queen the "Wild Cat" armor would distinguish her. Coates take on Shuri wasn't organic to me.

WoW could have told the story of the Dora Milajae. A tale of how two of Wakanda's best females for a king, males for a queen are selected and how they are charged with the responsibility of securing the future generations of Wakandan leadership. I never liked the idea of an army of Doras. Also the Hatut Zeraze should be both male and female.

WoW should have followed in the footsteps of Flags of Our Fathers and told stories of past Black Panthers, Wakandan involvement throughout history, first contacts and off world adventures. WoW could have told future tales of T'Challa and Wakanda ala Black to the Future.

The singular focus that must not be ignored is the inclusion of T'Challa and his impact on all things. His significance is paramount.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 19, 2017, 02:40:18 pm
Does this Rembert dude hav ea twitter?

We should all find him and praise him if he does.

He seems to have talent for this. Didn't waste a single panel.

Might help to have a Vet with art too.

Can we get Bennet on the main book?

You can find him here:

https://twitter.com/rembert

I don't have a twitter account, someone co-sign me on one of theirs
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 19, 2017, 03:01:51 pm
I thought Kasper should have long ago been under the mentorship of Hunter the White Wolf to be trained as a Hatut Zeraze. That would have been an excellent buddy tale of travel, training and adventures that could have been told in the pages of WoW. While he and Hunter would develop a close bond as obvious Wakandan outsiders, Hunter's methods cause Kasper to go his own way thus becoming the Ghost Panther. Kasper gets the new costume (not sure I like the open mouth part but it does distinguish him and that I do like) from T"challa (as seen below) and is assigned to The Crew along with Sofija to represents T'Challa's interest. Kasper and Sofia have to become a couple of course.

In the pages of WoW I would have enjoyed reading about Shuri becoming head of Wakandan Design Group and wearing the Panther Armor she and her team constructed and use a code name like "Wild Cat". I couldn't think of a name off the top of my head so I just used that one. One good thing Coates did do was to ascribe an Afrakan translation to the name Black Panther. She could be a technophile and master business woman taking WDG to new heights. I would have her get involved with James Rhodes and have them adventure together before his demise. When she takes the mantle of queen the "Wild Cat" armor would distinguish her. Coates take on Shuri wasn't organic to me.

WoW could have told the story of the Dora Milajae. A tale of how two of Wakanda's best females for a king, males for a queen are selected and how they are charged with the responsibility of securing the future generations of Wakandan leadership. I never liked the idea of an army of Doras. Also the Hatut Zeraze should be both male and female.

WoW should have followed in the footsteps of Flags of Our Fathers and told stories of past Black Panthers, Wakandan involvement throughout history, first contacts and off world adventures. WoW could have told future tales of T'Challa and Wakanda ala Black to the Future.

The singular focus that must not be ignored is the inclusion of T'Challa and his impact on all things. His significance is paramount.


At this point the HZ and the DM order will likely probably merge into one singular Elite unit. Which i liked the difference because each had unique ties and relations to Wakanda, But we get what we get.

And i agree T'Challa should of been paramount and thats another reason i give props to rembert, Despite it being a Kasper Story, I felt like this still had a strong T'challa presence and without the bashing or making him  come off like an idiot. He was a threatening force (Cardiac Nearly Sh*t himself at thew mere mention of his name), He had bass in his voice (Correcting Kasper quickly and soundly) and had plans for him and goals for Kasper to furfill. Rembert Treated the character with respect, he respected the mythos and used In character continuity for T'Challa and it shows. I really hope Marvel gives him more opportunity to write some BP stuff and i would definitely Check it out if he does.

Now i can say i would of like a Kasper 6 part mini form this guy or a Shuri fill in the blanks from NA from a Political Thriller and her finding out who is trying to get her off the throne and have some high octane action when the Thanos invasion arrives. But im very much happy with Kasper's issue
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on April 19, 2017, 04:48:38 pm
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Salustrade on April 19, 2017, 06:28:50 pm
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.

It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on April 19, 2017, 06:38:58 pm
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.

It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.

Works for me.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Salustrade on April 19, 2017, 06:42:54 pm
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.

It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.

Works for me.

Amen. 8)
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 19, 2017, 07:29:41 pm
Best issue featuring BP since the Coates disastrous era began.

It's that good because Coates had no hand in writing it.

Not only that but the guy wrote it as a comic,
with action, good showings and no bullsh*t flowery prose or poetry, and he respected Tchalla, showing him with bass in his voice, his balls back and some weight to his name. The cardiac scene where he nearly sh*ts himself hearing Tchallas name is how it should be. That's why his story is the best of Coates era. I wouldn't mind this guy writing Tchalla if he continued with Such respect
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on April 19, 2017, 10:37:58 pm
This right here, couldn't agree more Brother Ezyo!  Kudos to my Brother Sal the "Chaos Bringer" for always telling it like it is!  Brother Ture always first on the scene whether the news is good or bad!  Rembert Browne just could be a revelation, his iteration of Kasper and T'Challa being the proverbial and loooong overdue "what" that the doctor ordered! So nice to read a competently composed, fan pleasing, superhero comic with actual action!  Hopefully this is not a case of a broken clock having the right time once every 12 hours!?!  I think we all agree..... It's about damn time!!!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 19, 2017, 10:44:27 pm
This right here, couldn't agree more Brother Ezyo!  Kudos to my Brother Sal the "Chaos Bringer" for always telling it like it is!  Brother Ture always first on the scene whether the news is good or bad!  Rembert Browne just could be a revelation, his iteration of Kasper and T'Challa being the proverbial and loooong overdue "what" that the doctor ordered! So nice to read a competently composed, fan pleasing, superhero comic with actual action!  Hopefully this is not a case of a broken clock having the right time once every 12 hours!?!  I think we all agree..... It's about damn time!!!

Peace,

Mont

Yo Kimoyo! Wassup bro? Been waitin' for you to chime in.
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on April 20, 2017, 10:47:54 am
Yeah, sorry Ture, got my hands full right about now.  I've been so turned off by the events in Coatesverse BP, I really didn't expect this to be any better.  Pleasantly surprised by Brother Browne and genuinely happy to see Kasper return.  How cool was it to have Bennet handling the pencils too!

You cats pretty much covered all I had to say about what came before.  Don't think I could have more adequately expressed how disappointed I am with Coates year one, even the supposedly conciliatory #12.  Wrong dude with the wrong plan for T'Challa.  My two cents.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 20, 2017, 11:13:11 am
Yeah, sorry Ture, got my hands full right about now.  I've been so turned off by the events in Coatesverse BP, I really didn't expect this to be any better.  Pleasantly surprised by Brother Browne and genuinely happy to see Kasper return.  How cool was it to have Bennet handling the pencils too!

You cats pretty much covered all I had to say about what came before.  Don't think I could have more adequately expressed how disappointed I am with Coates year one, even the supposedly conciliatory #12.  Wrong dude with the wrong plan for T'Challa.  My two cents.

Peace,

Mont


How about Marvel Let Rembert Cover Issues 18-24 after Coates does his god arc huh?
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on April 20, 2017, 02:29:53 pm
His was an impressive start, no doubt.  Perhaps I'm a little gun shy now, but let's see what else he has in store for us?  Whatever the case, I would totally grant T'Challa and Wakanda a restraining order on Coates.

Peace,

Mony
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on April 20, 2017, 02:34:29 pm
His was an impressive start, no doubt.  Perhaps I'm a little gun shy now, but let's see what else he has in store for us?  Whatever the case, I would totally grant T'Challa and Wakanda a restraining order on Coates.

Peace,

Mony

Unfortunately, unless he's given another book, what we see is what we get.  :(
Title: Re: The Black Panther's World of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 20, 2017, 03:30:37 pm
His was an impressive start, no doubt.  Perhaps I'm a little gun shy now, but let's see what else he has in store for us?  Whatever the case, I would totally grant T'Challa and Wakanda a restraining order on Coates.

Peace,

Mony

Give him a Kasper mini, or a BP 3-4 Parter or another One shot. Again he was able to do more right by T'Challa and the BP franchise in general in 1 issue, then coates has been able to do in an entire year of writing. First impressions are Key and Coates made a terrible one, this guy Rembert is a Rookie, and though he story was generic in a way (granted he had 1 issue to tell a beginning middle and end) he told a modern comic, he seems to have a grasp on writing a comic and not using a bunch of flowery bullsh*t. He respected T'Challa, He told an fun action packed story, and he made everyone look good (T'Challa came correct on Kasper, The mere mention of T'Challa's name took all the fight out of Cardiac, T'Challa wasn't moping around) All in all i would give this Rookie a shot at a 6 part story for the BP solo, since Coates has already shown that afrofuturistic aesthetics and creativity are beyond him   
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on April 27, 2017, 02:09:29 pm
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...


(http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg)

Quote
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world.  WWW.  World War Wakanda.


Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 27, 2017, 09:29:39 pm
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...


([url]http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg[/url])

Quote
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world.  WWW.  World War Wakanda.


Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!



This? Is must watch. Lean forward. Read it to pieces. Storytelling.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on April 27, 2017, 10:44:13 pm
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...


([url]http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg[/url])

Quote
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world.  WWW.  World War Wakanda.


Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!


I would read the crap out of that. I wish it was something that could be done still, maybe after his movie debut? I wish marvel would of had someone do it after SW.
Hm
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on April 28, 2017, 01:50:01 am
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...


([url]http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg[/url])

Quote
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world.  WWW.  World War Wakanda.


Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!


This is why I said that when R. Hudlin left the book, it was the beginning of the end for BP being properly done. Liss tried his darndest to makes the best of a crappy situation, but every writer since then has been on the scale of (in no particular order) fantastically mediocre to complete and utter crap. From deconstructionist hacks to "faux-woke" agenda driven liars whose pitiful imagination, rampant hubris, and high levels of cynicism bleeds in to everything they've written thus far.

Don't get me wrong, I know this is his house, but I'm no sycophant. So I'm not going to deny that there were one or things that I really didn't like about Hudlin's run. But they don't cancel out the entirety of his run and his overall depiction of BP. Which was my favorite one since Kirby. I liked Priests as a close third, but Hudlin's BP was flatout more fun to read.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on May 05, 2017, 09:02:31 pm
You knew it was coming...
An event so big it could only be done at the HEF...
You've been given the mandate...


([url]http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7308749/reginald-hudlin-ali-leroi.jpg[/url])

Quote
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world.  WWW.  World War Wakanda.


Now tell your version of events as they transpired during WORLD WAR WAKANDA!


This is why I said that when R. Hudlin left the book, it was the beginning of the end for BP being properly done. Liss tried his darndest to makes the best of a crappy situation, but every writer since then has been on the scale of (in no particular order) fantastically mediocre to complete and utter crap. From deconstructionist hacks to "faux-woke" agenda driven liars whose pitiful imagination, rampant hubris, and high levels of cynicism bleeds in to everything they've written thus far.

Don't get me wrong, I know this is his house, but I'm no sycophant. So I'm not going to deny that there were one or things that I really didn't like about Hudlin's run. But they don't cancel out the entirety of his run and his overall depiction of BP. Which was my favorite one since Kirby. I liked Priests as a close third, but Hudlin's BP was flatout more fun to read.



I cannot argue with your first paragraph.

Now for me Priest delivered the best iteration of the Black Panther. He captured the personality, attitude and swag needed to nuance T'Challa. I appreciated the details of vibranium micro weave, kimoyo cards, energy daggers, special lenses, anartic vibranium claws and the vibranium soled boots needed to standardize and update the Black Panther's personal equipment. The military fire power Priest gave the Black Panther through Wakanda was almost unprecendented. I really appreciated the fact that Priest drew all this from the cannon and mythos of the Black Panther. Priest also defined or maybe redefined the Black Panther as a master strategist and tactian and one of the most dangerous (most prepared... most powerful) persons in the Marvel Universe. He had the Black Panther engage with the likes of Mephisto, Nightmare and Loki... a Panther first. Priest also understood how to convey the kind of relationships T'Challa would have with fellow monarchs, heroes and women. Were there things I didn't like? Yes but nothing that trumped all of his postive contributions.

Hudlin's iteration was next. Some of the things I appreciated most from him were that he made Wakanda an unconquered nation. This changed the entire landscape of the Black Panther and his mythos. Hudlin stated that the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were incapable of defeating the Wakandans. Calling out these would be conquers by name was a watershed in the history of Black Panther comics. He created Shuri, he married Black Panther and Storm and gave them a future of marital bliss and children. He showed the Black Panther and Wakanda conquering the world. Hudlin also bought cultural reference points to the Black Panther. Not sure if he is responsible for the aesthetics of Shuri and the Dora Milaje but they were greatly appreciated. Again Were there things I didn't like? Of course.

The thing about Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie and their teams was that I saw an effort to elevate the Black Panther, add to his mythos. The attempt was made to make him better, no deconstruction or misplaced social commentary or contradictory and conflicting personal agendas. Most of T'Chaka's stand out moments occurred during this period and that speaks volumes.

Now if you want to discuss mistakes made by writers of the Black Panther I'm open.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on May 05, 2017, 10:14:45 pm
No surprise Brother Ture, I am in complete agreement with your take!  Let's not forget though a key contribution to Panther lore from Mr. Hudlin...the animated Black Panther!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on May 06, 2017, 06:09:14 am
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.

Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it.  But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible.  They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"

It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.

And often it's to the detriment of the character.  Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion.  One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.

So guess what happened in his very next appearance?  Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe.  :P

Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception.  And once the first exception is made,  the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 06, 2017, 06:49:14 am
I've thought that about the unconquered too.  Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.

But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation.  I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces.  That's how they were introduced to us.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on May 06, 2017, 06:59:22 am
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.

Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it.  But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible.  They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"

It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.

And often it's to the detriment of the character.  Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion.  One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.

So guess what happened in his very next appearance?  Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe.  :P

Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception.  And once the first exception is made,  the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".

Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors  like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.

The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.

Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on May 06, 2017, 07:33:01 am
That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.


If you ask me, what is missing from those writers (and in a lot of comics these days) is simply imagination itself.  Everything is "grounded" and "realistic".  Oh, and "relevant".  Unusual, exotic, or non-traditional cultures exist to be smashed.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on May 06, 2017, 07:44:07 am
I've thought that about the unconquered too.  Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.

But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation.  I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces.  That's how they were introduced to us.

Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.

The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.

The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.

both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on May 06, 2017, 08:51:17 am
I've thought that about the unconquered too.  Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.

But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation.  I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces.  That's how they were introduced to us.

Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.

The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.

The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.

both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.
I think the compromise is to make them advanced from. The start, and then Tchalla pushes them even further, taking then to the next level, like a 100 year advancement atleast. Gives the best of both worlds
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on May 06, 2017, 09:04:47 am
I've thought that about the unconquered too.  Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.

But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation.  I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces.  That's how they were introduced to us.

Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.

The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.

The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.

both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.
I think the compromise is to make them advanced from. The start, and then Tchalla pushes them even further, taking then to the next level, like a 100 year advancement atleast. Gives the best of both worlds

Hmmmm something like...

- Wakanda begins with Bashenga, who unites the various tribes to protect the vibranium mound. Bast is impressed by Bashenga's spirit and blesses him as the Black Panther. They begin to worship Bast as the Panther God. The Line of Bashenga begins.

- Due to their location, they are mostly hidden from the world. They advance their technology at a pace faster than the rest of the world. The few who find Wakanda are dealt with quickly to protect the mound. Their technology + their fighting abilities + the black panther make them incredible formidable.

- They continue to advance at a faster pace despite getting more and more visitors from outsides.


The kicker is... mound is untouched. All efforts to use it turn out badly (mutates and such).

- Enter T'challa the polymath genius. He finally cracks the code on how to process raw vibranium into something useful and his mind goes wild with inventions. Instead of just "advanced" technologically... they are now advanced with Vibranium as well. Wakanda takes the next step in technological superiority.


BOOM
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on May 06, 2017, 09:25:34 am
I think China is a useful analogue.  Rarely conquered, but for the most part totally isolated from the West, so they were in a position to advance faster and further than Europe.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on May 06, 2017, 09:51:35 am
I've thought that about the unconquered too.  Inevitability, someone will write it being broken.

But, originally, wasn't the nation unconquered because it was a hidden nation, more than being a mighty nation.  I mean originally, they had trouble with Klaw's forces.  That's how they were introduced to us.


Hudlin changed that. That was the original origin.

The original origin was they were a hidden country of warriors protecting the vibranium mound starting with Bashenga. Their tech was sh*t (guns destroyed them) until T'challa himself dragged them into a technological marvelous country.. both by using the vibranium, selling the vibranium, his own genius, and bringing in "outsiders" as well.

The new (and I guess canon now) origin of Wakanda had them already technologically advanced beyond everyone else on top of being warriors. They were hidden but not THAT hidden in comparison from before (I mean sh*t, T'chaka went to a conference to scold white people). People knew of them but knew better than to F with them.

both have their pros and cons... especially for T'chalal himself. Basically making wakanda a tehcnological beast was a HUGE feat that is no longer his.

I think the compromise is to make them advanced from. The start, and then Tchalla pushes them even further, taking then to the next level, like a 100 year advancement atleast. Gives the best of both worlds


Hmmmm something like...

- Wakanda begins with Bashenga, who unites the various tribes to protect the vibranium mound. Bast is impressed by Bashenga's spirit and blesses him as the Black Panther. They begin to worship Bast as the Panther God. The Line of Bashenga begins.

- Due to their location, they are mostly hidden from the world. They advance their technology at a pace faster than the rest of the world. The few who find Wakanda are dealt with quickly to protect the mound. Their technology + their fighting abilities + the black panther make them incredible formidable.

- They continue to advance at a faster pace despite getting more and more visitors from outsides.


The kicker is... mound is untouched. All efforts to use it turn out badly (mutates and such).

- Enter T'challa the polymath genius. He finally cracks the code on how to process raw vibranium into something useful and his mind goes wild with inventions. Instead of just "advanced" technologically... they are now advanced with Vibranium as well. Wakanda takes the next step in technological superiority.


BOOM


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That could explain it pretty well. It also  removes the idea that Wakanda is only that advanced Because of Vibranium and they don't need Vibranium to be the most advanced nation on Earth, they were that before they could harness it's Power. And gives Tchalla a big feat and bridges the origins


Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 06, 2017, 03:11:40 pm
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.

Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it.  But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible.  They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"

It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.

And often it's to the detriment of the character.  Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion.  One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.

So guess what happened in his very next appearance?  Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe.  :P

Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception.  And once the first exception is made,  the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".

Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors  like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.

The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.

Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.


I agree with much of what you said about brutha...

...but I would have had TChalla defeat Thanos. Even though I said before on this very HEF that I don't see TChalla beating Thanos without prep on a 1 on 1. That was kind of a hook. I was thinking that some of the Unfans would take the bait and either repeat that statemetn or ask me why that's the case...in order to use my response to diss TChalla elsewhere. Like the CBR.

I would have sprung the trap then: There is no way that TChalla wouldn't've been prepped for Thanos, because Wakanda has been prepped for Thanos for nearly as long as she has been prepped for Galactus. And...being King of the Dead...TChalla would be the literal living embodiment of the collective prep of Wakanda vs all of these galactic, universal, and/or reality destroying threats.

And the whole battle would have tremendously grand. I mean...Thanos murdered an entire world of warriors. Solo. With his bare hands. No powers. In addition? Thanos has terrifying mental, psi, mystic, and cosmic powers. Further, he has preposterous technological advancement, even for insanely advanced alien hypertech civilizations. Really and truly, the deck seems stacked insurmountably against Wakanda.

But. In the very last extreme, after countering and re-countering each other, I would have had Shuri channel a vastly overlooked but extreme. Tremendous power of Bast...and, during a planet wide , solar system wide, then dimension spanning, and finally a space spanning battle? I would have Shuri channel the power of the core of a galaxy [ or a portion of it ] via Bast's power as; as Bast is the fierce [ originally lioness goddess depiction ] daughter of Ra, and in the direct lineage of Atum.

As Shuri blasts Thanos with the power of half a galaxy of supernovas, TChalla Nowhere Rooms Thanos into a shunted off section of The Superflow, imprisoned in a M'Krann Crystal shard holding the power of a thousands black holes.

And that would be that, for The Mad Titan.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on May 06, 2017, 04:02:15 pm
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.

Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it.  But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible.  They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"

It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.

And often it's to the detriment of the character.  Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion.  One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.

So guess what happened in his very next appearance?  Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe.  :P

Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception.  And once the first exception is made,  the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".

Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors  like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.

The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.

Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.


I agree with much of what you said about brutha...

...but I would have had TChalla defeat Thanos. Even though I said before on this very HEF that I don't see TChalla beating Thanos without prep on a 1 on 1. That was kind of a hook. I was thinking that some of the Unfans would take the bait and either repeat that statemetn or ask me why that's the case...in order to use my response to diss TChalla elsewhere. Like the CBR.

I would have sprung the trap then: There is no way that TChalla wouldn't've been prepped for Thanos, because Wakanda has been prepped for Thanos for nearly as long as she has been prepped for Galactus. And...being King of the Dead...TChalla would be the literal living embodiment of the collective prep of Wakanda vs all of these galactic, universal, and/or reality destroying threats.

And the whole battle would have tremendously grand. I mean...Thanos murdered an entire world of warriors. Solo. With his bare hands. No powers. In addition? Thanos has terrifying mental, psi, mystic, and cosmic powers. Further, he has preposterous technological advancement, even for insanely advanced alien hypertech civilizations. Really and truly, the deck seems stacked insurmountably against Wakanda.

But. In the very last extreme, after countering and re-countering each other, I would have had Shuri channel a vastly overlooked but extreme. Tremendous power of Bast...and, during a planet wide , solar system wide, then dimension spanning, and finally a space spanning battle? I would have Shuri channel the power of the core of a galaxy [ or a portion of it ] via Bast's power as; as Bast is the fierce [ originally lioness goddess depiction ] daughter of Ra, and in the direct lineage of Atum.

As Shuri blasts Thanos with the power of half a galaxy of supernovas, TChalla Nowhere Rooms Thanos into a shunted off section of The Superflow, imprisoned in a M'Krann Crystal shard holding the power of a thousands black holes.

And that would be that, for The Mad Titan.

Too many Unfans at Marvel to let that happen.

I love that idea and to add to that, I would have had Wakanda hunt down the Black Order first. One by one I would have had them taken out. T'Challa and Shuri put together an elite team of Hatute Zaraze and Doras with specially outfitted armor and weapons(T'Challa's genius comes into play) to take them down. Shuri would get her one on one rematch with Proxima(on panel).

We know for sure that we would lose some HZs and DM so let them go out in a glorious battle with Thanos' army of minions like the Execution did against Hela's army in Walt Simonson's Thor run.

Ths should be an epic story with top talent hands on.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on May 06, 2017, 07:44:22 pm
I like the Mind of MoS on Wakanda's development and T'Challa's role!  Relatedly, and as Brother SI astutely noted, if T'Challla had contingencies for Galactus, he damn sure would have contingencies for Thanos and his Black Order!  It would have been bold and hindsight can be 20/20, but hope dope might it have been for TRO/Secret Wars II to have broken down to Reed vs Doom and T'Challa vs Thanos in such a way that Wakanda's resources, T'Challa's skill and contingencies for Thanos enabled he and Wakanda to defeat Thanos, without all the deconstruction, even while Reed took down the story's biggest bad, Doom?  This would have been in keeping with the set up from Hickman's FF where Bast charged Reed with being T'Challa's brother-in-arms.  I can't help but feel that neither Hickman nor Mavel thought enough of Black Panther to consider editing the story to enhance T'Challa's credibility while paying tribute once again to Reed. 

My two cents.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on May 06, 2017, 09:17:19 pm
Quote
- Wakanda begins with Bashenga, who unites the various tribes to protect the vibranium mound. Bast is impressed by Bashenga's spirit and blesses him as the Black Panther. They begin to worship Bast as the Panther God. The Line of Bashenga begins.

- Due to their location, they are mostly hidden from the world. They advance their technology at a pace faster than the rest of the world. The few who find Wakanda are dealt with quickly to protect the mound. Their technology + their fighting abilities + the black panther make them incredible formidable.

- They continue to advance at a faster pace despite getting more and more visitors from outsides.


The kicker is... mound is untouched. All efforts to use it turn out badly (mutates and such).

- Enter T'challa the polymath genius. He finally cracks the code on how to process raw vibranium into something useful and his mind goes wild with inventions. Instead of just "advanced" technologically... they are now advanced with Vibranium as well. Wakanda takes the next step in technological superiority.


BOOM                                   MindofShadow


And Boom it is. Well stated MoS. Two Wakandan vibranium plated gold coins for you

(http://www.sinuousmag.com/sm/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/black-panther-2018-fan-art-by-darian-robbins-coin.jpg)(http://www.sinuousmag.com/sm/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/black-panther-2018-fan-art-by-darian-robbins-coin.jpg)


I like the Mind of MoS on Wakanda's development and T'Challa's role!  Relatedly, and as Brother SI astutely noted, if T'Challla had contingencies for Galactus, he damn sure would have contingencies for Thanos and his Black Order!  It would have been bold and hindsight can be 20/20, but hope dope might it have been for TRO/Secret Wars II to have broken down to Reed vs Doom and T'Challa vs Thanos in such a way that Wakanda's resources, T'Challa's skill and contingencies for Thanos enabled he and Wakanda to defeat Thanos, without all the deconstruction, even while Reed took down the story's biggest bad, Doom?  This would have been in keeping with the set up from Hickman's FF where Bast charged Reed with being T'Challa's brother-in-arms.  I can't help but feel that neither Hickman nor Mavel thought enough of Black Panther to consider editing the story to enhance T'Challa's credibility while paying tribute once again to Reed. 

My two cents.

Peace,

Mont


From the mind of Kimoyo. I like it. Two Wakandan vibranium plated gold coins for you as well.

(http://www.sinuousmag.com/sm/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/black-panther-2018-fan-art-by-darian-robbins-coin.jpg)(http://www.sinuousmag.com/sm/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/black-panther-2018-fan-art-by-darian-robbins-coin.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on May 06, 2017, 10:32:25 pm
We know that Tchalla can beat Thanos, he fried his brain in Ultimates, he should be able to handle him. It would be a epic battle (as his contingency for Galactus required the Wakandan air force and the hulk) so thanks and his army should of required some huge prep and it would be epic. I'm talking N'Yami motherships, Dooms day Panthers,
Panthertron we saw in Tahulk. And the true Force of the Wakandan military. It would be huge and it would be glorious. Wakanda would drive the Black Order out of Wakanda and solidify why they are the power powerful nation on earth
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on May 07, 2017, 06:32:42 am
What better opportunity to show that Wakanda's rep as the most technologically advanced nation on Earth was more than just lip service!?!  Major Marvel Editorial fumble IMO.

Thanks for the Wakandan coin Brother Ture!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on May 07, 2017, 07:32:39 pm
What better opportunity to show that Wakanda's rep as the most technologically advanced nation on Earth was more than just lip service!?!  Major Marvel Editorial fumble IMO.

Thanks for the Wakandan coin Brother Ture!

Peace,

Mont

Wakanda Should be a major player in SE. I don't see how they wouldn't be considering what just happened and a Wakandan embassy is in NY as well as the Ultimates headquarters. They should heavily oppose Steve and there should be the threat of WWIII if something isn't done.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on May 20, 2017, 08:11:44 am
What better opportunity to show that Wakanda's rep as the most technologically advanced nation on Earth was more than just lip service!?!  Major Marvel Editorial fumble IMO.

Thanks for the Wakandan coin Brother Ture!

Peace,

Mont


Wakanda Should be a major player in SE. I don't see how they wouldn't be considering what just happened and a Wakandan embassy is in NY as well as the Ultimates headquarters. They should heavily oppose Steve and there should be the threat of WWIII if something isn't done.


You may get to see Black Panther and Wakanda get some play in Secret Empire, let's just hope they don't get played.

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Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on May 20, 2017, 08:12:15 am
World War Is About to Erupt in New Black Panther Synopsis

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RYAN SCOTT

Marvel, as with most of their movie projects, is keeping pretty tight-lipped on the details about Black Panther, which comes out on February 16, 2018. But as the movie approaches, some new details will slowly but surely make their way to the surface. Such is the case today, as a brand new plot synopsis for Creed director Ryan Coogler's upcoming entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe has made its way online. And it is surprisingly revealing, all things considered.

The new synopsis for Black Panther, which comes courtesy of the magazine Licensing Global, reveals quite a bit about the movie in terms of story. At least a whole lot more than the first synopsis that was released by Marvel Studios a while back did. Here's the new synopsis for Black Panther.

"After the events of Marvel's Captain America: Civil War, King T'Challa returns home to the reclusive, technologically advanced African nation of Wakanda to serve as his country's new leader. However, T'Challa soon finds that he is challenged for the throne from factions within his own country. When two foes conspire to destroy Wakanda, the hero known as Black Panther must team up with C.I.A. agent Everett K. Ross and members of the Dora Milaje, Wakandan special forces, to prevent Wakanda from being dragged into a world war."

When compared to the first synopsis for Black Panther, which was fairly bland, this actually gives us a really good sense of what the story will be in the movie. T'Challa (Chadwick Boseman) is going to have to assume his new role as king. We are going to get to see the technologically advanced country of Wakanda, which will be, no doubt, pretty awesome. We also see here that not one, but two different foes are going to try and threaten Wakanda. We know that one of those threats will be Michael B. Jordan's Erik Killmonger. The other, most likely candidate, is Andy Serkis' Ulysses Klaw, who he played in Avengers: Age of Ultron. This also gives us a better sense of how Martin Freeman's Everett K. Ross will fit into the story.

Save for what we learn from this new synopsis, we also know that Black Panther will be breaking a lot of new ground. Not only will it be the first big-budget superhero movie to feature a black protagonist, but most of the central cast is going to be African American. Not only that, but the assembled cast is truly stacked with talent. In addition to Michael B. Jordan and Chadwick Boseman, the Black Panther cast also includes Angela Bassett, Forest Whitaker, Lupita Nyong'O and Danai Gurira, just to name a few.

Expect to see the first Black Panther trailer this summer, possibly attached to Spider-Man: Homecoming...

full article

http://movieweb.com/black-panther-movie-new-synopsis-story-details/ (http://movieweb.com/black-panther-movie-new-synopsis-story-details/)


What two foes want to destroy Wakanda? Klaw, yes but the second villain better not be Killmonger or the White Guerrilla (aka Man Ape). As Wakandans it would make little sense. Political overthrow I can see but destruction of your home which happens to be one of the bright spots on earth... I can't fathom. We may be in for a treat as the primary threat to Wakanda may somehow be connected to Infinity War.

On another note, we may be getting closer to next summer's crossover event being World War Wakanda. 
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on May 29, 2017, 01:29:10 pm
I'd love to see Moses Magnum in this movie somewhere.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on May 29, 2017, 02:49:36 pm
I'd love to see Moses Magnum in this movie somewhere.

Moses Magnum is a character that would so benefit from migrating from the XMen world to that of the Black Panther. His country of Cannan is just chopping at the bit to engage Wakanda. A coalition between boarder countries Mohannda, Niganda and Canaan could prove quite formidable especially when they ally with AIM and Hydra; not to mention the machinations of the coalitions of Atlantis, Leumeria, Latveria and those of France, Belggium, USA and Britain. While in deep in interstellar space threats from the the Black Order and the Skrulls are maisfesting.

World War Wakanda - The Black Panther Slays the Marvel Universe.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 31, 2017, 08:03:21 am
I'd love to see Moses Magnum in this movie somewhere.

Moses Magnum is a character that would so benefit from migrating from the XMen world to that of the Black Panther. His country of Cannan is just chopping at the bit to engage Wakanda. A coalition between boarder countries Mohannda, Niganda and Canaan could prove quite formidable especially when they ally with AIM and Hydra; not to mention the machinations of the coalitions of Atlantis, Leumeria, Latveria and those of France, Belggium, USA and Britain. While in deep in interstellar space threats from the the Black Order and the Skrulls are maisfesting.

World War Wakanda - The Black Panther Slays the Marvel Universe.

Throw in Zanda and Narobia to the above, as I actually see Wakanda pretty easily handling all of the above. Even together. She's done variants of this before. But even THAT won't be enough. You know what you need?

Unless Thanos [ who's for the foreseeable future chillin with Ewing in THE ULTIMATES ] is leading this group? You need a Rogue Happy Pants Panther to lead this coalition. Or else? This band of bad guys learns the hard way: SEE WAKANDA AND DIE. Wakanda has already defeated or long had the keys to defeat each of these foes, in tandem solo or in groups.

 How did Happy Pants go Rogue? Because he was never killed by Man-Ape. TChalla pulled a quick one on M'Baku. C'mon, now. You think TChalla could outsmart Galactus yet get caught slippin by Ape-Ach? [  Yeah, I called him APE...ACH. Pronounced East Coast slang style..."ach" like "Mach" from "Mach Speed" without the "M". ] Never that.

All this time? Happy Pants was operating in the 616 undercover, gathering intel, foiling plans, and killing bad guys as only T'Challa can.Without being discovered. The Ultimate Stealth King.

Who could keep the lowest of low key tabs on the new Watcher now that Fury is gone? Who could keep an eye out on cosmic threats from the deepest stealth position, yet be someone that TChalla automatically implicitly trusts, when T'Challa only automatically, implicitly trusts himself [ most of the time ]? Who could strike down opponents without the need to explain his actions? Who could keep an eye out to be sure that no more Cosmic Zombie Virus is re-used? Who would have long peeped out and countered RABUM-ALAL? Who would summarily strike down Maximus and all other traitors to Wakanda?

Happy Pants Panther. That's who.

But what if HPP went Rogue? Or...even more intriguing...what if HPP found out something that our current T'Challa is doing that he has good reason to completely disagrees with? HPP would know that T'Challa wouldn't've tapped HPP for the job if T'Challa didn't already have a reliable fail-safe, a counter, to defeat HPP. Therefore, HPP would do whatever he could to defeat T'Challa without tipping his Rogue Hand.

TChalla+ INTERSTELLAR AND INTERDIMENSIONAL WAKANDA VS HPP+INTERSTELLAR AND INTERDIMENSIONAL ALLIES AND ENEMIES. INCLUDING THE NEWEST AND ONLY SURVIVING CELESTIAL: AGBA OGUN..."COSMIC WAR". And...to tip everything in the direction of HPP? Well. He enlisted allies that we haven't seen since the end of BATTLEWORLD.

Reed Richards, The Richards Family, the heroes that went with him...AND MOLECULE MAN.

And as everyone is about to finally defeat TChalla and his Wakanda, T'Challa shows yall who's really boss. He flips that switch, hits that trap he laid on them long ago.


TChalla outsmarts Reed, Valeria, and everyone else. Leads Wakanda in her final stand, and meets and defeats The Molecule Man in battle armed with the weapon he's long hoarded in THE OWEN REECE PROTOCOL. That's right, bruthas and sistahs. T'Challa rocks... THE ULTIMATE MOLECULAR NULLIFIER.

And after an extended display of cosmic genius v cosmic genius tactics and counters? TChalla faces his friend, his brother, Cosmic Reed Richards...with the primary weapons that he held on to just in case not all The Beyonders were killed, and they went back on their whole Let's Finish What We Started And This Time Get It Right slaughter all realities and restart it [ maybe ] joint.

I'm talkin T'Challa in full infinite eternal Pimp G Mode steps to Cosmic Reed Richards decked out in his counterweapon listed in his IKOKO OGUN LLANA..."SECRET WARS PROTOCOL".

 THE INTER-REALITY INFINITY ARMOR AND INTER-REALITY INFINITY GAUNTLETS...AND BOTH OF KING SOLOMON'S FROGS MORPHED INTO THEIR ULTIMATE COMBAT FORM AS ULTRACOSMIC INTER-REALITY PANTHERS.

And then? It's TChalla vs HPP. In the ultimate throwdown which in and of itself should last 2 issues or one GIANT SIZED ISSUE. And yeah, that's why the Wakandan Gods didn't intervene before. They already knew this was coming. And as both TChalla's were worthy? They could not put their weight behind either of them. Which means? They have to battle...without help, without anything else...hand to hand, mind to mind, for the Right To Be The King of the Dead, and OBA TI GBOGBO YEYIN...KING OF ALL WORLDS [ INTERSTELLAR WAKANDA ].

Yeah. It's The Panther Rites and Walkabout. Inter-Reality Style. The winner? Is THEE T'Challa. THEE Once, Current, and Future King. The REAL King. Who shows you how to REALLY do a REAL War of Kings. Not those suckas in that whole WAR OF KINGS thing that disrespectfully overlooked TChalla.

How does T'Challa defeat his friends and yet not kill them all? This isn't Civil War, and TChalla doesn't have a rule against killing. Yet. He wold't want to kill Reed or HPP if he could help it, considering how vital they are to all things good and the many things they yet and still agree on. But. Can he afford NOT to? Is the option even there? Because they CAN kill him, just as much as he CAN kill them.

Why have World War Wakanda when you can have MULTI-UNIVERSAL WAR WAKANDA?

That's how Supreme Illuminati writes.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 01, 2017, 09:14:25 am
I could see HHP being a cool villain. Though I wouldn't go for a intergalactic war myself, but a version of Hudlin's Black to the future would be cool, and something I could see translating pretty well showing Wakanda as the dangerous place that it is
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 01, 2017, 02:47:00 pm
Speaking of intergalactic.

On the return trip from the Skrull home world, perchance answering a distress call the Nyami battle cruiser carrying Black Panther, Storm and crew dock with a damaged space vessel and encounter a hive of...

(http://media.gq.com/photos/583ca03a563f0991463e5e5c/3:2/w_560/1_1389089745.jpg)

Having to make a forced landing on a world devoid of a bio electric field and no atmosphere the Black Panther, Storm and crew must repair their ship and survive the Alien onslaught.

A Marvel and Darkhorse crossover to help wash away the Coatesverse and usher in a new era Black Panther greatness. I think he is ready for a company crossover.

Of course you know this adventure with the Aliens put Wakanda in the crosshairs of the...


(http://cdn2.darkhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/shane-black-teases-his-predator-reboot.jpg)

reigniting the centuries long battle between Waknda and the Predators. Through the years of conflict the Predators manage to kill Wakandan warriors, some of their best but never a Black Panther. Now in the deep recesses of space, on a lifeless planet, with a damage ship, besieged by Aliens and devoid of the country of Wakanda's advance tech the Predators think they have all the advantage.

They are wrong.


#BPvA+P
Make it so.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 01, 2017, 03:12:12 pm
Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything?  These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often.  Still could be a great story.

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 01, 2017, 03:13:40 pm
Speaking of intergalactic.

On the return trip from the Skrull home world, perchance answering a distress call the Nyami battle cruiser carrying Black Panther, Storm and crew dock with a damaged space vessel and encounter a hive of...

([url]http://media.gq.com/photos/583ca03a563f0991463e5e5c/3:2/w_560/1_1389089745.jpg[/url])

Having to make a forced landing on a world devoid of a bio electric field and no atmosphere the Black Panther, Storm and crew must repair their ship and survive the Alien onslaught.

A Marvel and Darkhorse crossover to help wash away the Coatesverse and usher in a new era Black Panther greatness. I think he is ready for a company crossover.

Of course you know this adventure with the Aliens put Wakanda in the crosshairs of the...


([url]http://cdn2.darkhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/shane-black-teases-his-predator-reboot.jpg[/url])

reigniting the centuries long battle between Waknda and the Predators. Through the years of conflict the Predators manage to kill Wakandan warriors, some of their best but never a Black Panther. Now in the deep recesses of space, on a lifeless planet, with a damage ship, besieged by Aliens and devoid of the country of Wakanda's advance tech the Predators think they have all the advantage.

They are wrong.


#BPvA+P
Make it so.

Not gonna lie. That sounds pretty dope. As for S.I, I think an intergalactic battle of that size would have to be atleast a year long event. Both of these I feel would need to be to really appreciate them
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on June 01, 2017, 04:12:06 pm
That reminds me of a Black Panther redesign I saw many years ago:

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Original here:

http://133art.deviantart.com/art/the-Black-Panther-redux-alt-color-310626481 (http://133art.deviantart.com/art/the-Black-Panther-redux-alt-color-310626481)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 01, 2017, 04:58:06 pm
Speaking of intergalactic.

On the return trip from the Skrull home world, perchance answering a distress call the Nyami battle cruiser carrying Black Panther, Storm and crew dock with a damaged space vessel and encounter a hive of...

([url]http://media.gq.com/photos/583ca03a563f0991463e5e5c/3:2/w_560/1_1389089745.jpg[/url])

Having to make a forced landing on a world devoid of a bio electric field and no atmosphere the Black Panther, Storm and crew must repair their ship and survive the Alien onslaught.

A Marvel and Darkhorse crossover to help wash away the Coatesverse and usher in a new era Black Panther greatness. I think he is ready for a company crossover.

Of course you know this adventure with the Aliens put Wakanda in the crosshairs of the...


([url]http://cdn2.darkhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/shane-black-teases-his-predator-reboot.jpg[/url])

reigniting the centuries long battle between Waknda and the Predators. Through the years of conflict the Predators manage to kill Wakandan warriors, some of their best but never a Black Panther. Now in the deep recesses of space, on a lifeless planet, with a damage ship, besieged by Aliens and devoid of the country of Wakanda's advance tech the Predators think they have all the advantage.

They are wrong.


#BPvA+P
Make it so.



That is SOOO DOOOOPE!! Hell yes. Make it SO!!

Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything?  These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often.  Still could be a great story.




I neeeever liked how The Predators would be taken out by guys with guns. To me? The FIRST Predator is THEE Predator. Ole boi was just SMASHIN people, INCLUDING people with guns. No problem. Throw in the wicked skillz they showed when battling the Aliens in the ORIGINAL Predators vs Aliens? And we got something.

Remember, STORM and THE X-MEN already have crossed swords in memorable mega events with Marvel's Aliens aka THE BROOD. These BROOD? Have been building themselves up since the last shellacking The X-Men gave them, and would have struck at Earth sooner...but INTERSTELLAR WAKANDA destroyed the planet they primed as their main launch point toward Earth Space.

These Brood? Have become even MORE ferocious than before. Because...

...they are now Zombie Brood, having been infected by The Zombie Virus. And. Some of them embraced this infection as a boon making them that much more invincible in battle. They infected all of the other Brood. Now? Mutant powers+Brood powers+Zombie powers hybrid Brood are threatening space. They are seeking to infect The Super Skrulls, and incorporate their super powers into their Brood Hive.

The Super Skrulls, The Shi'Ar and The Nova Corps are seeking to engage and defeat these Zombie Brood. But only Wakanda has the cure to The Zombie Virus, and she...Wakanda...must now respond to the pleas of their embattled interstellar brethren. Else the Zombie Brood will devour all.

And that sets up? BP and Storm vs the HYBRID born from Predators AND Aliens.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 01, 2017, 08:05:21 pm
Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything?  These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often.  Still could be a great story.

LOL! Straight up Kip, can't argue that. Would it help if T'Challa fought several of them at once? For our story we may have to build them back up to the threat level that Supreme mentioned. Truth be told we have to get T'Challa and Wakanda up to speed as well. Lord, five half ass mutates are a threat to the country. SMH.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 01, 2017, 08:14:28 pm
Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything?  These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often.  Still could be a great story.

LOL! Straight up Kip, can't argue that. Would it help if T'Challa fought several of them at once? For our story we may have to build them back up to the threat level that Supreme mentioned. Truth be told we have to get T'Challa and Wakanda up to speed as well. Lord, five half ass mutates are a threat to the country. SMH.
Yea I Blame that on Coates and the artist for failing to think of scale and actually showing the "massive threat" Rather then having some of handed comments about it. It's just like the "legions that perished" fighting the DM,
when honestly the HZ kicked their asses pretty hard. Scale had been a weak Point in this BP series and they need to get it together. Priest had scale, Hudlin had scale, Aaron had scale McDuffie had scale. Coates... 5 wannabe hulk's and 2 dozen goons..

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 01, 2017, 08:19:21 pm
Quote
Not gonna lie. That sounds pretty dope. As for S.I, I think an intergalactic battle of that size would have to be atleast a year long event. Both of these I feel would need to be to really appreciate them

I agree Ezyo.

Hey Beware Of Geek , I remember this pix.

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How about we make him one of T'Challa's ancestors who was in fact the first Black Panther to encounter and defeat a Predator.

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I neeeever liked how The Predators would be taken out by guys with guns. To me? The FIRST Predator is THEE Predator. Ole boi was just SMASHIN people, INCLUDING people with guns. No problem. Throw in the wicked skillz they showed when battling the Aliens in the ORIGINAL Predators vs Aliens? And we got something.

Completely agree SI. I like the Brood but thought it would be cool for the Black Panther to leave his comfort zone and have what would be the first of many cross company face offs.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 01, 2017, 08:30:25 pm
Aliens... Good
Predators... When was the last time they won anything?  These great hunters get taken out by guys with guns way too often.  Still could be a great story.

LOL! Straight up Kip, can't argue that. Would it help if T'Challa fought several of them at once? For our story we may have to build them back up to the threat level that Supreme mentioned. Truth be told we have to get T'Challa and Wakanda up to speed as well. Lord, five half ass mutates are a threat to the country. SMH.
Yea I Blame that on Coates and the artist for failing to think of scale and actually showing the "massive threat" Rather then having some of handed comments about it. It's just like the "legions that perished" fighting the DM,
when honestly the HZ kicked their asses pretty hard. Scale had been a weak Point in this BP series and they need to get it together. Priest had scale, Hudlin had scale, Aaron had scale McDuffie had scale. Coates... 5 wannabe hulk's and 2 dozen goons..


Agreed. I love the sense of scale Priest lent to the Black Panther. Oh  and I beg to differ... wannabe Hulks? No they weren't even wannabe Rhinos, no wait a minute, they weren't even wannabe Luke Cages. Thy weren't even noteworthy wannabes. Coates...got me SMH.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 01, 2017, 09:13:25 pm
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0

Marvel should have done this comic.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 01, 2017, 10:19:52 pm
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0

Marvel should have done this comic.

That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther.  T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 01, 2017, 10:38:23 pm
You know, I sometimes wonder if making Wakanda a nation that had never been conquered was a mistake.

Not because I want to see a weak Wakanda... far from it.  But simply because to a certain type of comic-book writer, knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is irresistible.  They try to get cheap heat by saying "Let's show just how tough these guys are by having them conquer the unconquerable!"

It's no different than showing someone stronger than the Hulk/Thing/Juggernaut, or a better fighter than Iron Fist or Wolverine.

And often it's to the detriment of the character.  Over at DC, one of my personal idols, Walt Simonson, made a major revelation in the last issue of his run on Orion.  One character had been keeping something secret for his entire life... there was some real depth in the fact that he'd been bearing this burden, without telling anyone, for decades.

So guess what happened in his very next appearance?  Yep, he succumbed to temptation and revealed it to the universe.  :P

Give a comics writer an absolute, and you can bet money they'll make an exception.  And once the first exception is made,  the second one becomes easier... until a couple dozen guys with spears are a threat to "Wakanda the Unconquered".

Wakanda being unconquered was a unique situation as it spoke to an historical precedent for Afrakan nations. It spoke more to the cultural overthrow and racial supremacy earmarked by enslavement or apartheid regime. This is why real life oppressors  like the French, the English, the Belgium, the Christians and the Muslims were stated as being incapable of defeating the Wakandans. From this prospective even such embarrassments as Doomwar and Thanos destroying the Golden city still leave Wakanda unconquered. There was no occupation that lead to the enslavement of the people or the destruction of their culture and way of life. Wakandans don't speak Latverian nor worship Thanos or death.

The problem with knocking someone/something off of an established pedestal is that it often done so poorly. Bad example was how Batman was broken so easily in The Cult. Good example the first time Ironman knocked out the Hulk. Remember when Thor's hammer was shattered? Speaking of kingdoms being vanquished, how about when the Celestials defeated all of Asgard? Good writers come up with a great way to upset a precedent.

Do you know how epic the battle between the Black Panther and Wakanda against Thanos and his empire could have been depicted. In Wakanda, across the globe, on the moon, in Saturn's rings, on Thanos' flagship. The Black Panther fighting Black Dwarf (on panel), Shuri and T'Challa defeating the Black Order. The Black Panther v Thanos. Wakanda could loose to a galactic spanning empire... it all in how they loose. That what was missing from the imagination of the writers that decided to change Wakanda's status quo of being unconquered.


I agree with much of what you said about brutha...

...but I would have had TChalla defeat Thanos. Even though I said before on this very HEF that I don't see TChalla beating Thanos without prep on a 1 on 1. That was kind of a hook. I was thinking that some of the Unfans would take the bait and either repeat that statemetn or ask me why that's the case...in order to use my response to diss TChalla elsewhere. Like the CBR.

I would have sprung the trap then: There is no way that TChalla wouldn't've been prepped for Thanos, because Wakanda has been prepped for Thanos for nearly as long as she has been prepped for Galactus. And...being King of the Dead...TChalla would be the literal living embodiment of the collective prep of Wakanda vs all of these galactic, universal, and/or reality destroying threats.

And the whole battle would have tremendously grand. I mean...Thanos murdered an entire world of warriors. Solo. With his bare hands. No powers. In addition? Thanos has terrifying mental, psi, mystic, and cosmic powers. Further, he has preposterous technological advancement, even for insanely advanced alien hypertech civilizations. Really and truly, the deck seems stacked insurmountably against Wakanda.

But. In the very last extreme, after countering and re-countering each other, I would have had Shuri channel a vastly overlooked but extreme. Tremendous power of Bast...and, during a planet wide , solar system wide, then dimension spanning, and finally a space spanning battle? I would have Shuri channel the power of the core of a galaxy [ or a portion of it ] via Bast's power as; as Bast is the fierce [ originally lioness goddess depiction ] daughter of Ra, and in the direct lineage of Atum.

As Shuri blasts Thanos with the power of half a galaxy of supernovas, TChalla Nowhere Rooms Thanos into a shunted off section of The Superflow, imprisoned in a M'Krann Crystal shard holding the power of a thousands black holes.

And that would be that, for The Mad Titan.

Too many Unfans at Marvel to let that happen.

I love that idea and to add to that, I would have had Wakanda hunt down the Black Order first. One by one I would have had them taken out. T'Challa and Shuri put together an elite team of Hatute Zaraze and Doras with specially outfitted armor and weapons(T'Challa's genius comes into play) to take them down. Shuri would get her one on one rematch with Proxima(on panel).

We know for sure that we would lose some HZs and DM so let them go out in a glorious battle with Thanos' army of minions like the Execution did against Hela's army in Walt Simonson's Thor run.

Ths should be an epic story with top talent hands on.

This right here^^^is a toe curlingly good thing.

But I would add? THE WHOLE ROYAL FAMILY on this joint. Yeah.

Hunter is back. Leading the HZ against say...[ the now resurrected and more formidable ] Corvus Glaive. Ramonda. Long overlooked Ramonda. Whose ONLY on-panel physical feat came during R to the H's WHO IS THE BLACK PANTHER run? Would square off what'shername, the Elder Shi'Ar Queen in Exile. Mother of Lilandra. As this Queen-In-Exile threw her lot in with The Black Order so she can return to power as the leader of the many exiled/disgraced Shi'Ar. And Ramonda? Not havin that. Takes out their whole planet. And has her extended h2h throwdown with this equally deadly, experienced Cutthroat Queen of Carnage. She is mother of D'Ken, mother of Deathbird. She had one of the Summers men as her consort, giving birth to Lilandra [ Yeah, annoying that the X-Dweebs are involved, but...find a powerful already established cosmic civilization that the X-Men DON'T have any truck with? No?
 Thought so ].

We can show the distinct advantages of age and wisdom. Ramonda...using the fighting style of Nana Buruku, with a twist from the Royal Wakandan Fighting Style created in Doomwar...steps to this very old, very well hidden, very evil and deadly Elder Sh'Ar Queen. This Shi'Ar Queen made short work of three brave Midnight Angels who tried to take her down themselves, defending their Queen Mother.

Ramonda steps in and taxes that royal alien anus.

Same thing with the resurrected Uncle S'yan [ sorry Reg; even though you killed him? He's too cool to be dead for real for real ]. We gotta give a nod to the power of experience, knowledge, and wisdom. Uncle S'yan locks up with the elder Gladiator. He who fathered D'Kin. Uncle S'yan shows him how Esteemed Panthers and High Princes of Wakanda roll...when he rolls this elder Gladiator up.

What? TChalla served Silver Surfer. S'yan can get some beatdown on Gladiator. Put another way? Spider-Man [ wearing his low rent Black Panther suit ] beat up Firelord when he was a Herald of Galactus. So...yeah.

 (https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1028039-amazing_spiderman_270_21.jpg)

Bring back the Kifalme Mushajaa Wa Hekima...roughly translated as THE ROYAL HEROES OF HONOR. Somehow, the West managed to turn their name into THE BLACK MUSKETEERS. And bring back THE CREW. The REAL Crew. Josiah X, Kasper Cole as American Panther or and all nem. Sicc them on somebody.

Basically? Bring back that old band of BP and have them all square off with heavy hitters and whoop anus airywhere. That includes?ZURI!! Yaaayyy Zuri! Back in this 8th Reality! And W'Kabi and all the rest of em. Yeah. Score another one for The Reality Gem and The Infinity Gauntlet.

I want Shuri? To go brain vs brain with Supergiant. This way? We establish Shuri as a Valeria Reed level genius...and then some. And? I want Shuri to kill Proxima Midnight. 

TChalla rematches the [ now resurrected and even more formidable ] Black Dwarf, and executes him on panel via one-sided beatdown. Black Dwarf starts off pretty hardcore, then TChalla hands out a beatdown and a vicious execution that gains respect and fear even from his friend and enemies.

TChalla also rematches Thanos, and executes him. Knowing that Thanos' spirit is alive and well, TChalla captures Thanos' spirit and with Shuri channeling the galactic power of Bastet...tosses Thanos' spirit in a specially enhanced Reality Prison forged from a Beyonder Crystal. And TChalla tells Thanos that the execution of Thanos' physical body was for his friend Rhodey. And the eternal imprisonment of Thanos' spirit was for Wakanda and his universe. TChalla tells Thanos: "SEE WAKANDA [ ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE ] AND DIE". Goin one up on Jason Aaron's excellent phrase [ one of the few good things Aaron did for BP ].

And then? When back on 616? I'm thinking that TChalla is in a perfect position to help bring about the return of Tony Stark. But? Let's see TChalla...on panel...literally refuse to do so. He says that...just as Tony expected and wanted...he sees Tony's long game, and will not interfere.

Instead? Let's see TChalla take up handing out a near execution of Maximus the Inhuman. He's stayed by the interference of Medusa, and Black Bolt. TChalla neutralizes the both of them with a preemptive ease that shows that he long had their powers countered [ using Wakandan tech, magic, and Quark Vibranium, he hits them with a temporary Inhuman Inhibitor Matrix that neutralizes their powers and temporarily renders them totally insensate ].

We then have a much more interesting rematch with TChalla vs Karnak, with TChalla beating Karnak. But not killing him. Instead, TChalla reveals one of the First Sins of the Inhumans: he lets Karnak know that Karnak is not the first Karnak. There were others before him. T'Challa knows them all, as the name "Karnak" is a misnomer for cities in TChalla's Afrika.

The first of his line was Ngumi Ya Ptah...The Fist of Ptah. This warrior was one of the Black Panthers of old. That's not only why TChalla knows this but it's also why TChalla was able to fell Karnak with one blow during their first fight.  The Second was Khonshou Ya Ngumi...The Fist of Khonshou. Starting the line of The Moon Knights. [ Okay, that's in my fanfic. But still, it's sweet ].

And we can build more fly stuff from there as we flesh it out.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 01, 2017, 10:42:05 pm
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0

Marvel should have done this comic.

That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther.  T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.


Absolutely cosigned.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 02, 2017, 12:09:44 am
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Not gonna lie. That sounds pretty dope. As for S.I, I think an intergalactic battle of that size would have to be atleast a year long event. Both of these I feel would need to be to really appreciate them

I agree Ezyo.

Hey Beware Of Geek , I remember this pix.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d9/5b/ef/d95bef7a3f8b8e04dc12eb65c4a9e94a.jpg)

How about we make him one of T'Challa's ancestors who was in fact the first Black Panther to encounter and defeat a Predator.

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I neeeever liked how The Predators would be taken out by guys with guns. To me? The FIRST Predator is THEE Predator. Ole boi was just SMASHIN people, INCLUDING people with guns. No problem. Throw in the wicked skillz they showed when battling the Aliens in the ORIGINAL Predators vs Aliens? And we got something.

Completely agree SI. I like the Brood but thought it would be cool for the Black Panther to leave his comfort zone and have what would be the first of many cross company face offs.
Honestly what I want is very simple. On panel beating of Black dwarf. Wakanda repelling and defeating some huge threat (secret empire already teased us with something that needs to be fleshed out in another tie in book)
and Tchalla actually giving Doom a asswhooping, no Pyrrhic victory, a straight up ass whooping. Ones that's been Long coming Since Doomwar.

Basically after Coates whack ass, weak ass, poor ass excuse for a super powered terrorist group and army Wakanda need's to show the world, why you don't f*ck with Wakanda. You think we are weakened after what happened with the incursions? Come to Wakanda and find out just how "weak" we are. I want some fly ass sh*t. Something we won't get From Coates

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on June 02, 2017, 12:58:16 am
How about we make him one of T'Challa's ancestors who was in fact the first Black Panther to encounter and defeat a Predator.

A bit techy for an ancestor.   I was thinking something more like Wakandan Special Forces....
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 02, 2017, 05:25:01 am
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0

Marvel should have done this comic.

That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther.  T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.


Absolutely cosigned.

They go by fan votes alone.  If it's close vote, they do an alternate ending too.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 02, 2017, 05:28:02 am
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 02, 2017, 11:24:42 am
Off-topic, but have you guys seen this:. https://youtu.be/s3wDj7bYve0

Marvel should have done this comic.

That was very well done. If Wolverine has it all on a Predator, adamantium claws and skeleton, healing factor and berserker mode then so does Black Panther.  T'Challa has vibranium claws and micro weave costume, the energy dagger and is a master strategist. Hopefully if Super Power Beat Down does a BPvP they see it this way.


Absolutely cosigned.

They go by fan votes alone.  If it's close vote, they do an alternate ending too.

I wonder how that fight would go down to be honest
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on June 02, 2017, 11:34:36 am
Honestly, I'd give BP the edge, simply because the Predator's tactics indicate a high degree of focus on sight... enhancing it or disguising it.  But panthers hunt by sound and scent, not by sight alone. :)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 03, 2017, 07:09:03 pm
Honestly, I'd give BP the edge, simply because the Predator's tactics indicate a high degree of focus on sight... enhancing it or disguising it.  But panthers hunt by sound and scent, not by sight alone. :)

TChalla beat Thanos. Predators? Please. Next.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on June 05, 2017, 11:04:50 am
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 05, 2017, 12:55:16 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

The Dude has a contingency plan for Galactus and in that same arc we see that plan unfold.. So what makes people think he wouldn;t be able to handle SS? LOL unfan logic
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 05, 2017, 01:42:23 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 05, 2017, 02:49:05 pm
BP arm barring SS is dumb

McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 05, 2017, 03:23:36 pm
BP arm barring SS is dumb

McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"

Mcduffie :P

But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on June 05, 2017, 03:33:06 pm
BP arm barring SS is dumb

McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"

Mcduffie :P

But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then


DD also beat Ultron with a stick.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 05, 2017, 04:07:50 pm
BP arm barring SS is dumb

McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"

Mcduffie :P

But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then


DD also beat Ultron with a stick.

And there you have it...although, I completely and totally forgot about the Ultron vs DD thing.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 05, 2017, 04:21:00 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 05, 2017, 04:29:42 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.

I talked with him on his board after it happened.  One reason he said that fans were upset is because some fans said that he's pure energy under that shell--no solid matter to pin--but he thought it would work because he thought he was flesh coated by the Silver.  So he honestly thought that would work. 
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on June 05, 2017, 04:33:49 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.

No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 05, 2017, 04:40:05 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.

No doubt about it.

I'm still annoyed that he was robbed of his chance to write the JLA without interference!
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 05, 2017, 04:45:54 pm
BP arm barring SS is dumb

McGregor wasn't going for that but it wasn't spelled out in the comics well enough that "SS was faking for information"

Mcduffie :P

But honestly It didn't even matter considering DD had kicked him out a window and people didn't bitch then


Too many Mc's!

Yeah, lots of dumb things in comics.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 05, 2017, 04:54:05 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.

Agree with the bolden SI especially since the Black Panther was originally presented as a master strategist engaging opponents fully prepped. I concur with Kip that an arm bar, used for whatever reason, just would not work on the Silver Surfer. I have total disregard when writer's have T'Challa using other heroes' devices and tech (i.e. transport) or borrowing their ideas (power cosmic absorber, nanites etc.) as it make an intentional effort to present T'Challa as being less capable.

This is why I'm against the Black Panther having armors and the like. T'Challa's weapons and equipment should come from his unique genius and own resources i.e. vibranium and shadow physics. Wakanda's landscape should have consistent landmarks like New York has the Daily Bugle, Baxter Building and Stark Tower. The N'Yami battle cruisers should have a trademark look like the S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier.  I cite lazy editorial staff  and self absorbed, unimpassioned writers, both of whom just don't give a damn.

A detailed oriented film and its ensuing popularity could help to stabalize these concerns assuming of course it is well written and true to the Black Panther's defining traits.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 05, 2017, 05:50:57 pm
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.
I would of loved to see McDuffie right a BP Solo.
That would of been great. He presented a powerful BP that was the perfect blend of Priest and Hudlin panther. Took the best of both worlds and weaved a kickass Tchalla.

Honestly if I were writing BP I would probably be bringing the hardest BP possible, saying piss off to unfans
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on June 06, 2017, 05:34:48 am
Regarding Spider-Man vs Firelord... That gets a lot of negative reviews as a ridiculous story.

There would have been a large majority of fans out there who would justify a Spidey win. Me, I have no problem with it and thought it was a cool way to show the tenacious persistence of Spidey.

Unlike the kind of press BP gets for subduing Surfer, while these same unfans forget that BP has renowned skills and a is a tactical genius who has already devised a plan on how to attack the Surfer

Most of the people I encounter, call it ridiculous and I'm the one who likes the story for the reason you said.

Personally, I have no problem with BP beating SS, it was the how.  I just simply do not believe an arm bar would work on SS.  SS can turn intangible, transform into pure energy, rearrange his opponent's molecules, and so on.  It's not the win, it's the how.

Him stealing SS' s power later in the story; No problem with that.  (Though I wish he used his own invention, but why reinvent the wheel.)

I would have had T'Challa use a version of the force field he cast on Mephisto to dampen SS's power enough to engage in hand to hand [ he did something similar vs Thing in the FF when he tricked Ben Grimm into traversing BP's Techno-Jungle and neutralized Ben Grimm's strength in the process. Then...proclaiming himself to be the boxing champ of Afrika...he engaged with Ben and beat him to sleep ] then drop dawgs on SS.

But. McDuffie knew that the Unfans would vomit at ANY victory over SS, and I'm pretty sure that he deliberately poked at them by having BP handle SS that way. Lol. And I say? Good for Mcduffie.

I really. Really. Miss him. I think? McDuffie would've gotten the nod to write BP this time 'round. And oh man...with such unprecedented support? McDuffie would still be pulling in roughly 50-60k/issue.

No doubt about it.

I'm still annoyed that he was robbed of his chance to write the JLA without interference!

The flak he got for that was sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on June 06, 2017, 05:38:04 am
I remember McDuffie telling me his JLA plans, then about the editorial miscues, and his attempts to deal with them.  Too bad for all of us. 
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 06, 2017, 05:40:32 am
I remember McDuffie telling me his JLA plans, then about the editorial miscues, and his attempts to deal with them.  Too bad for all of us.

😢. Even Ben Ten went downhill without him. 
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on June 06, 2017, 02:47:56 pm
I remember McDuffie telling me his JLA plans, then about the editorial miscues, and his attempts to deal with them.  Too bad for all of us.

Not to mention the hassles with MILESTONE FOREVER (which was damn good anyway).
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 12, 2017, 08:16:46 pm
The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***    The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***

WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED!

(http://www.cinemotore.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/unnamed1.jpg)

Black Panther' Teaser Trailer Racks Up 89M Views in First 24 Hours

17,723,257 views and counting on YouTube


With an impressive 89 million views, the first trailer for Marvel's Black Panther clawed past the second teaser for Star Wars: The Force Awakens to become the tenth most-watched trailer in the first 24 hours.

When compared to other Marvel films, the 89 million views ranks third best. Thor: Ragnarok set a new Marvel with 136 million views in just 24 hours. Before that, Captain America: Civil War held the flag for Marvel with 94 million views.


"Legend Has It” by Run the Jewels

(http://i.imgur.com/HUHTIxk.png)

'Black Panther' trailer's so lit it's burning up the charts
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 13, 2017, 05:28:14 am
I am actually genuinely happen for the old head fans like you Ture.

This is like "Obama becoming president" level of "oh sh*t its happening" in the nerd world
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 13, 2017, 06:39:02 am
Same, i feel like this is really great for the long time fans who had to stick it out the most for the highs and the lows, Its such an amazing time to be a BP fan and i hope this continues onward
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 13, 2017, 08:12:31 am
I am actually genuinely happy for the old head fans like you Ture.

This is like "Obama becoming president" level of "oh sh*t its happening" in the nerd world


Thank you MindofShadow. It is gratifying to be able to enjoy and revel in the moment. This feeling is something akin to both justification and affirmation. Black Panther has had some milestones but this... this right here...

(http://www.cinemotore.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/unnamed1.jpg)

is the crowning achievement. All this and T'Challa doing it in outstanding fashion, crushing social media. Yea, this is a great moment... one I've been stretching out now for close to four days now. Can't wait to walk in the cinemas and see all the different Black Panther posters on display.

On a critical note, I don't like the photo shop look of BP's costume in this poster. It seems that they removed the crisscross pattern that was evident in the Panther's cinematic habit. Even the helmet looks different in the scene in which he lands on the car. T'Challa may have a change of costume. .
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 13, 2017, 08:42:59 am
Considering Captain America has a new costume ever movie and sometimes two costumes in one movie; a new costume for BP wouldn't be surprising.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 13, 2017, 08:48:42 am
his costume has definitely changed, at least later in the movie. Both the helmet and the weave

(http://i.imgur.com/ZNgGXkr.jpg)



plus... the CGI isn't even close to finished yet.

Marvel's posters are notoriously sh*tty lol

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 13, 2017, 08:51:54 am
Considering Captain America has a new costume ever movie and sometimes two costumes in one movie; a new costume for BP wouldn't be surprising.

Thing is Cap's costumes got better with each iteration. Regarding Black Panther, the helmet worn on the roof of the car is less appealing. I don't like the facial outline. Of course for all I know this could be a different Panther all together.  Maybe a young T'Chaka?
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 13, 2017, 09:07:08 am
his costume has definitely changed, at least later in the movie. Both the helmet and the weave

([url]http://i.imgur.com/ZNgGXkr.jpg[/url])



plus... the CGI isn't even close to finished yet.

Marvel's posters are notoriously sh*tty lol


Definitely prefer 2016 to 2018. I like the weave pattern as it gave a distinct almost "tribal" feel to the habit. This helped to distinguish it from the mesh look that almost every other MCU character has. I also like the 2016 necklace better. As far as the 2018 helmet, the nose area is throwing me off. Thanks to your side by side comparison I can at least see what they are going for. With the completed cgi I could be swayed.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 13, 2017, 09:23:05 am
Im guessing the eyes are bigger because T'Chadwick was talking about how he had a hard time seeing in the mask, But yea looking at the side by side, the 2018 almost looks like he has eyebrows.. Ironically enough, before it was said the helmet looked to busy, but with the 2018 version i feel like it needs some more along the face Lol.

And yeah the CGI complete should look alot better because the side by side looks like things were simply taken away from the original weave
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 13, 2017, 09:40:28 am
weave looks more comic accurate lol. but i think ni like the old one more

i like the new neck piece better. and the elbow and knee pieces.

both helmets look dumb in this picture lol. But I know the head piece in the movie was dope so I have faith the second one will be too
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 13, 2017, 09:45:45 am
weave looks more comic accurate lol. but i think ni like the old one more

i like the new neck piece better. and the elbow and knee pieces.

but helmets look dumb in this picture lol. But I know the head piece in the movie was dope so I have faith the second one will be too

The new neck piece, elbow and knee pieces I can get with as I see the uniformity. I too have faith regarding the helmet.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 13, 2017, 09:51:55 am
The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***    The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***

WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED!

([url]http://www.cinemotore.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/unnamed1.jpg[/url])

Black Panther' Teaser Trailer Racks Up 89M Views in First 24 Hours

17,723,257 views and counting on YouTube


With an impressive 89 million views, the first trailer for Marvel's Black Panther clawed past the second teaser for Star Wars: The Force Awakens to become the tenth most-watched trailer in the first 24 hours.

When compared to other Marvel films, the 89 million views ranks third best. Thor: Ragnarok set a new Marvel with 136 million views in just 24 hours. Before that, Captain America: Civil War held the flag for Marvel with 94 million views.


"Legend Has It” by Run the Jewels

([url]http://i.imgur.com/HUHTIxk.png[/url])

'Black Panther' trailer's so lit it's burning up the charts



Sorry I've been gone. Been screaming my lungs out at all the Panther haters and laughing with a glee so massive it's nearly hysterical. Lololol. This? I've been not even daring to dream about this since JUNGLE ACTION. We Old Tyme BP Heads are enthused as hell. Only way I could have been more enthused? Is if RH himself helmed the movie AND the comic. That would be so very freakin perfect? That there's no way that Marvel would green light that.

TChalla would regularly outstrip Batman, if that happened. TChalla would be thee #1 guy in comics, if that happened. TChalla woudl have to be included and give daunting, undefeated displays of brilliance, h2h, resources, etc in every Marvel Event if that happened [ TChalla could have toppled Secret Empire with a phone call ]. There's no way that Marvel...even with their "diversity embracing approach"...would stomach that happening.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 13, 2017, 10:00:23 am
weave looks more comic accurate lol. but i think ni like the old one more

i like the new neck piece better. and the elbow and knee pieces.

both helmets look dumb in this picture lol. But I know the head piece in the movie was dope so I have faith the second one will be too

Thats the thing though i want the COMIC to look more like the MCU.. I do hope they add in some more tribal etchings onto the new habit, and i do have faith that it will look good. Just the side by side it looks like shiit lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on June 13, 2017, 02:07:03 pm
I actually prefer the new look.  I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me. 
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 13, 2017, 02:25:52 pm
Both suits are in the trailer tho

He either upgrades or down grades after smething happens to the first habit

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 13, 2017, 02:28:08 pm
I actually prefer the new look.  I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me.

In pictures I can agree.

But it never looked too busy on screen imo. Looked great.

Niw the cartoon version.... ugh lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 13, 2017, 03:42:54 pm
I actually prefer the new look.  I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me.

In pictures I can agree.

But it never looked too busy on screen imo. Looked great.

Niw the cartoon version.... ugh lol

When is Marvel gonna get into that DC level animation lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on June 13, 2017, 03:47:37 pm
I actually prefer the new look.  I am a firm believer of the "less is more" philosophy, and the CW habit (especially the helmet) is just too busy for me.

In pictures I can agree.

But it never looked too busy on screen imo. Looked great.

Niw the cartoon version.... ugh lol

When is Marvel gonna get into that DC level animation lol

From the looks of it, they don't intend to. You'd think a company that built its rep on animation could help out one of their divisions.

Yes, I'm looking at you Mouse!!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Mortal Man on June 14, 2017, 06:14:04 am
I like the old costume better.  Never looked too busy on screen, it only looked bad ass far as i was concerned.

This new costume, it's the helmet that's going to take getting used to.  Tho the first time i saw him running towards the end of the trailer, it actually reminded me of Hudlin's Panther with the cutout eyes lol

But yea, didn't he have the old costume at the start of the trailer when he was rudely attacking those innocent, god fearing mercenaries and smugglers?
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 14, 2017, 06:15:16 am
I like the old costume better.  Never looked too busy on screen, it only looked bad ass far as i was concerned.

This new costume, it's the helmet that's going to take getting used to.  Tho the first time i saw him running towards the end of the trailer, it actually reminded me of Hudlin's Panther with the cutout eyes lol

But yea, didn't he have the old costume at the start of the trailer when he was rudely attacking those innocent, god fearing mercenaries and smugglers?

Yes, both suits were in the trailer.

Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on June 14, 2017, 06:36:27 am
I like the old costume better.  Never looked too busy on screen, it only looked bad ass far as i was concerned.

This new costume, it's the helmet that's going to take getting used to.  Tho the first time i saw him running towards the end of the trailer, it actually reminded me of Hudlin's Panther with the cutout eyes lol

But yea, didn't he have the old costume at the start of the trailer when he was rudely attacking those innocent, god fearing mercenaries and smugglers?

Well if you look at the horrible photoshopped poster, you can see some etchings of tribal design.. Hopefully it becomes more pronounced with the full CGI, because honestly i feel like it just looks too basic a little, But i know its going to look better. I actually want the helmet to be a little more busy, i miss it now that its changed lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 14, 2017, 10:18:16 am
Unless intentionally done, I am at a loss as to how Marvel's first movie poster for the Black Panther is not showing off the BP costume. Both the habit and set up is perfect. Make it clear, make it detailed.

(http://www.cinemotore.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/unnamed1.jpg)

I am also at a loss for why they would change the Black Panther's Costume when it worked so well. A reasonable explanation would be a power upgrade that allows him to use the force, though that is not reason enough for a displeasing aesthetic. Note, this only works if they say so on screen and it is all T'Challa's creation.

Speaking of creation, Tchalla needs his signature tech and inventions to be shown on screen. His genius needs to be on full blast. Wakanda also needs to display a variety of  signature tech that demonstrates how far they have out paced the rest of the world.

One thing I hope they did borrow from the Coatesverse is the concept of the six city states and outlier regions. Visiting different cities or showing the reaction of the people therein to the coronation of a new king. I want to travel.


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/16/15/9a1615302b6a9ac8bf2bda2000ca94af.jpg)

Speaking of visiting outlier regions, I get that trying to show diversity among the ethnic families of the Wakandas by going all Game of Thrones with the M'Baku and the Jabari but maybe something more along the lines of them wearing a type of armor to protect them from their harsh environment and make them more of a challenge to the Black Panther.

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/ultimate-marvel-cinematic-universe/images/8/82/Man-Ape_%28redesign%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150629004741)

Speaking of GoT I would have made the Jabari a ethnic group of giants or close to.

I also wonder (if such is the case) why they chose to go with the name Man Ape and not White Guerrilla or something new from an Afrakan language. It could be explained that early in Wakandan history some of its people were stranded in the frozen waste lands and witnessed the apex predator of that region and thus modeled themselves to be the ultimate survivor.

Finally we come to plate lip guy. The only explanation I came up with is he was one of the Wakandans chosen to maintain the front of them being a third world country of sheperds who produce textiles. Again for this to work it must be explained on screen.

My two cen err... that's the way I see it.  
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: CvilleWakandan on June 14, 2017, 09:26:32 pm
I don't know how to classify this article. She admits she is part of the problem, but wants Marvel to change to suit her. I admit I think Marvel should change it policies, but I also participate in the current scheme.

Short version: WoW gets cancelled. I don't like that, but I haven't read an issue because I'm waiting for the trade. New article too. lol

http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-13/black-panther-world-wakanda-cancelled-im-reason-superhero-comics-are-struggling (http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-13/black-panther-world-wakanda-cancelled-im-reason-superhero-comics-are-struggling)



Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 15, 2017, 04:43:10 am
I don't know how to classify this article. She admits she is part of the problem, but wants Marvel to change to suit her. I admit I think Marvel should change it policies, but I also participate in the current scheme.

Short version: WoW gets cancelled. I don't like that, but I haven't read an issue because I'm waiting for the trade. New article too. lol

[url]http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-13/black-panther-world-wakanda-cancelled-im-reason-superhero-comics-are-struggling[/url] ([url]http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-13/black-panther-world-wakanda-cancelled-im-reason-superhero-comics-are-struggling[/url])


the current comic sales system is simply retarded.

But, unfortunately, it would take a monumental shift in teh industry to change it.

stuff like Marvel Unlimited and whatever DC is doing with Amazon is a start.

But Wednesday warriors and comic shops are their life line right now. they can't risk compltely pissing them off.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Mortal Man on June 15, 2017, 07:54:21 am
Waitagoddamnsecond... when are sales coming out? 

We haven't shat on ultimates2, bp, bp:wow or bp:crew sales from last month yet.  No MoS updated charts.




Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: CvilleWakandan on June 15, 2017, 08:09:09 am
Waitagoddamnsecond... when are sales coming out? 

We haven't shat on ultimates2, bp, bp:wow or bp:crew sales from last month yet.  No MoS updated charts.

Comichron has not released May figures yet. Only place I know where to get them.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: MindofShadow on June 15, 2017, 09:53:55 am
Waitagoddamnsecond... when are sales coming out? 

We haven't shat on ultimates2, bp, bp:wow or bp:crew sales from last month yet.  No MoS updated charts.

Still aint out
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 24, 2017, 10:35:41 pm
Are we getting a prologue to Black Panther World War Wakanda?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_5kCSPAwTU8/WUpM8eXj_II/AAAAAAAAC0U/XF1qc3CluIMk9QYq3cjqOpqoni2eyjt6ACHMYCw/s0/RCO017.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U9vZU9DhdmU/WUpM86Ox0MI/AAAAAAAAC0o/vbfH3DaCKlkpL5h-ckLEBbtidlr0m_z4gCHMYCw/s0/RCO018.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j9DnhZcUTLc/WUpM9NeqdXI/AAAAAAAAC04/EkhHgUYNu2c0YZ9W0pbdxppz5wia6UvFACHMYCw/s0/RCO019.jpg)

While this was an excellent showing, I'm not naive enough to ignore the possibility that T'Challa and Wakanda  could both end up like Namor and Atlantis. I await the conclusion but if they do Black Panther right... I think it will be on and poppin'. I feel something big is in the works comic wise for the BP, especially with the movie about to drop.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: marvell2100 on June 25, 2017, 01:08:45 pm
If written correctly, HydraCap and his folk would put up a heckuva fight, but BP/Wakanda would ultimately win.

Tech -BP/Wakanda
Strategy -draw
Counter-strategy -BP/Wakanda
Weapons -Wakanda
Superhuman muscle -HydraCap
Head-to Head - BP
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Gessela on June 25, 2017, 07:28:11 pm
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 26, 2017, 10:10:52 am
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.

What do you feel about a black Priest era habit with Priest era gold highlights...and where there are silver accents, replace those with glittering gold accents? Basically THIS HABIT, without the visible cape,  just midnight black where the blue is..

(https://worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/black-panther-tchalla-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 26, 2017, 10:22:47 am
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.

I agree.

(https://i.dawn.com/large/2017/06/593ba20a3f652.jpg)

I don't like the open eye slits and especially dislike the eyebrow design.

By the way I really dig your artwork.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Gessela on June 26, 2017, 02:14:11 pm
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.

What do you feel about a black Priest era habit with Priest era gold highlights...and where there are silver accents, replace those with glittering gold accents? Basically THIS HABIT, without the visible cape,  just midnight black where the blue is..

(https://worldofblackheroes.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/black-panther-tchalla-8.jpg)


Probably the best in book suit, and clearly an inspiration for the design of the CW habit.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Gessela on June 26, 2017, 02:16:32 pm
Regarding the CW Habit. As an artist I feel the black on black, overlapping and interweaving chevrons, highlighted with the silver accents, is the greatest superhero design to date. I do prefer the new gauntlet accents though.

I agree.

(https://i.dawn.com/large/2017/06/593ba20a3f652.jpg)

I don't like the open eye slits and especially dislike the eyebrow design.

By the way I really dig your artwork.

Thank you. Yeah so far the new suit design don't work in concert, hopefully they will add in proper lines in post.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on June 26, 2017, 03:09:06 pm
There was that lovely custom with the CW habit in gold/bronze:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/that-new-black-panther-movie-costume-youve-been-seeing-1794231544 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/that-new-black-panther-movie-costume-youve-been-seeing-1794231544)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Gessela on June 26, 2017, 03:33:24 pm
There was that lovely custom with the CW habit in gold/bronze:

[url]http://io9.gizmodo.com/that-new-black-panther-movie-costume-youve-been-seeing-1794231544[/url] ([url]http://io9.gizmodo.com/that-new-black-panther-movie-costume-youve-been-seeing-1794231544[/url])



Yeah, someone added the color to the Hot Toys figure. I have one of the figures on my desk and the intricacies of the suit are superb.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on September 13, 2017, 08:11:03 am
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?

BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2409284.1445641151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/walking-dead.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me22errgsf1rlju0xo1_500.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6q6iJkAi15mBa/giphy.gif)

(http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/51c1643d2b354a34ca6ec0b10dd4b977.gif)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."

The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"

(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"

(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."

(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"

(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."

(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."

(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"

(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."

(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."


Meanwhile back in Wakanda...

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1d19dee971451605bdf831f4149d949/tumblr_otui53YmkD1tlgqkgo1_500.gif)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on September 13, 2017, 02:51:11 pm
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?

BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2409284.1445641151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/walking-dead.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me22errgsf1rlju0xo1_500.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6q6iJkAi15mBa/giphy.gif)

(http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/51c1643d2b354a34ca6ec0b10dd4b977.gif)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."

The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"

(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"

(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."

(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"

(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"

(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."

(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."

(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"

(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."

(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."


Meanwhile back in Wakanda...

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1d19dee971451605bdf831f4149d949/tumblr_otui53YmkD1tlgqkgo1_500.gif)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."

Forgot my boi Nick...
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 13, 2017, 08:33:15 pm
I figure BP wips up some neural field that turns off whatever brain functions keep zombies moving.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on September 18, 2017, 06:25:16 pm
Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite's first batch of DLC includes Black Panther
By Sam Prell

(http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/kgX3RP7W4pY3ZTckTLnzuT-1200-80.jpg)

Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite launches tomorrow with 30 characters available to rumble it up with - 15 from the Marvel universe, and 15 from Capcom games. But of course, the roster won't stay at that number, with six more fighters coming to Infinite by the end of 2017.

Capcom announced on its Unity Blog today that Sigma, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Black Widow, Venom, and a female Monster Hunter will be available later this year. It's not clear if these characters will be sold separately or as a bundle, but the combined value looks to be approximately $30 (that's the price difference between the standard version of the game and the Deluxe version, the latter of which includes these six characters as they're released).

In my opinion, it's a little weird that the announced DLC gives Marvel the edge in total number of characters, with 19 to Capcom's 17. Historically, the number of characters from both companies has remained even. But then, I noted in my review that the game has an "MCU-friendly tone," often giving Marvel characters the spotlight in story mode. This sounds like a continuation of that, but maybe that's just me.

Capcom released promo images of Sigma and Black Panther (both of whom show up during the game's story, alongside a monster hunter from... well, Monster Hunter), while Winter Soldier, Black Widow, and Venom are a mystery.


(http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/xw7TRsK5VyrfN5G3wwQJFU-650-80.jpg)

http://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-vs-capcom-infinites-first-batch-of-dlc-includes-black-panther-venom-monster-hunter-and-more/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-vs-capcom-infinites-first-batch-of-dlc-includes-black-panther-venom-monster-hunter-and-more/)
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 19, 2017, 05:10:51 pm
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?

BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2409284.1445641151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/walking-dead.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me22errgsf1rlju0xo1_500.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6q6iJkAi15mBa/giphy.gif)

(http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/51c1643d2b354a34ca6ec0b10dd4b977.gif)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."

The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"

(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"

(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."

(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"

(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"

(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."

(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."

(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"

(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."

(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."


Meanwhile back in Wakanda...

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1d19dee971451605bdf831f4149d949/tumblr_otui53YmkD1tlgqkgo1_500.gif)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."

Forgot my boi Nick...




This right here? Has GOTTA BE THE DOPEST POST OF THIS YEAR. Rilly doe.

T'Challa been done whipped up a subquarkian operational, Thrice Bast and Auser Blessed, Hunter-Seeker Anti-Zombie Virus that seeks out specifically magic, psi, viral, tech, and other manifestations of zombies. Paralyzes them. Reverse engineers the Viral Zombies back to their pre-Zombie state [ while fixing various significant imperfections in their pre-Zombie state: the blind can see; the paralyzed can walk, the deaf can hear, etc ], while using Holy Magic to destroy the Unholy Zombies utterly and completely.

T'Challa didn't even have to be awakened for this. None of the Royals had to direct their attention to this matter. Wakandan Spy Ring got the info and handled the biz as part of their daily intelligence reports. Next.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on September 20, 2017, 11:35:49 am
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?

BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2409284.1445641151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/walking-dead.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me22errgsf1rlju0xo1_500.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6q6iJkAi15mBa/giphy.gif)

(http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/51c1643d2b354a34ca6ec0b10dd4b977.gif)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."

The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"

(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"

(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."

(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"

(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"

(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."

(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."

(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"

(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."

(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."


Meanwhile back in Wakanda...

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1d19dee971451605bdf831f4149d949/tumblr_otui53YmkD1tlgqkgo1_500.gif)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."

Forgot my boi Nick...




This right here? Has GOTTA BE THE DOPEST POST OF THIS YEAR. Rilly doe.

T'Challa been done whipped up a subquarkian operational, Thrice Bast and Auser Blessed, Hunter-Seeker Anti-Zombie Virus that seeks out specifically magic, psi, viral, tech, and other manifestations of zombies. Paralyzes them. Reverse engineers the Viral Zombies back to their pre-Zombie state [ while fixing various significant imperfections in their pre-Zombie state: the blind can see; the paralyzed can walk, the deaf can hear, etc ], while using Holy Magic to destroy the Unholy Zombies utterly and completely.

T'Challa didn't even have to be awakened for this. None of the Royals had to direct their attention to this matter. Wakandan Spy Ring got the info and handled the biz as part of their daily intelligence reports. Next.


Thanks for that SI. Got another one I'm workin' on, you know, so to have a little more cross over fun.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 20, 2017, 02:40:12 pm
Forget all you know about Marvel Zombies.
Don't even bring up the King of the Dead.
This is only happening in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The question is... does the Black Panther Fear the Walking Dead?

BLACK PANTHER APOCALYPSE

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2409284.1445641151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/walking-dead.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me22errgsf1rlju0xo1_500.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6q6iJkAi15mBa/giphy.gif)

(http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/51c1643d2b354a34ca6ec0b10dd4b977.gif)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144184/5152832-6486900349-quick.jpg) Sam "Dude opened a serious can of whoop ass. Let's bounce to Wakanda." Rhodey "I have to help Tony. He's my friend." Sam "Whatever man."

The Zombies come in two types. Those of the Walking Dead and of World War Z. Who survives and who gets turned?

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/ironman/images/9/98/Photo%281063%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150417120631) "I would have built you all armors but I don't think any of you could afford it."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/5216048-movie_hulk.jpg) "Hulk no need puny armor!"

(https://ind5.ccio.co/FE/k5/ZF/4613f918e9ab9afdce30ca533d8ab8d9.jpg?iw=300) "We fight!"

(http://allfilmi.com/uploads/tori_surati1.jpg) "Midgard must truly be cursed."

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130110/4460891-3448967425-35184.jpg) "Hell, if Daryl Dixon can survive..."

(https://k61.kn3.net/taringa/2/1/8/E/8/A/kevinzalasar/B8C.jpg) "Guess where I got bit?"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/75/4a/12754ac600a5806ac7e401e776382952--marvel-vision-vision-avengers.jpg) "This presents a problem, why?"

(http://gruporivas.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/will-samuel-l-jackson-hang-up-the-cape-of-nick-fury-in-future-marvel-movies.jpg) "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in Hell!"

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5729237-9099942026-winte.png) "I'll do myself. Longing.Rusted.Furnace.Daybreak.Seventeen.Benign.Nine.Homecoming"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fd/76/f1/fd76f1ec866a211670c1634441740f23--comic-movies--movies.jpg) "OK writer guy, everything's cool as long as I don't go big."

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE5NDc5NzUwNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDM3MDM2NzE@._CR162,14,813,609_UX614_UY460._SY230_SX307_AL_.jpg) "They shall not pass!"

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/09/StarLord-Guardians2-Profile.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/314?cb=20170404034947) "Oh come on. I'm Starlord."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/0/0e/Gamora_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170411161747) "What he said. And don't put my words in green."

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/a/a9/Rocket_Profile%281%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20170404035531) "That's all you got? For Christ sakes they don't even eat animals!"

(http://www.guardiansofthegalaxygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drax-the-destroyer-380x415.jpg) "They did in Resident Evil."

(http://supernovo.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groot-400x400.jpg) "Theoretically my bark like epidermis..." STICK TO YOUR LINES "Sigh, I am Groot."

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/2/25/Thanos_-_MCU.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131014182658) "Walking dead? Ha, ha. This is below my pay grade."

(https://fa707ec5abab9620c91c-e087a9513984a31bae18dd7ef8b1f502.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8784055_daredevil-recap-regrets-only--the_tc29b3e32.jpg) "Wait, we're included?"

(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/29121945/luke-cage-netflix-03-480x320.jpg) "No problem."

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/65/d1/a665d185584845a4b5fa1a22d9db9d25.jpg) "WTF?"

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000272873823.jpg?w=602&strip=all) " Ahhhh!! Ugh, this hurts. Ohhhh the pain"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/dc/Stick_Profile.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/334?cb=20160217124124) "Some goddamn Iron Fist. You were bit by a child."

(https://blogbeautifuldreams.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/scarlet-witch.jpg?w=464&h=299) "Paprikash?" (Hungarian for turned?)

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/kw2f8l28nuc0erujibuf/what-s-happening-in-the-mcu-after-captain-america-civil-war.jpg) Um T'Challa, you think you got a cure for this?

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/n1iy02y6qglkcsupmyf4/could-don-cheadle-join-the-cast-of-spider-man-homecoming-as-cyborg-war-machine.jpg) Speaking of turning... Wait for it...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/3d/af/673dafccf4fec3dd6a0dd6f7a930c118.jpg)"Friend my ass. Told that fool to come to Wakanda."

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/047b9a94e9e24af94ea77f109da5bca2/tumblr_oenfdiZMnI1r1guvio1_250.gif) "First class, all expenses paid, trip to Birnin Zana The Golden City of Wakanda. All hail the king."


Meanwhile back in Wakanda...

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/a1d19dee971451605bdf831f4149d949/tumblr_otui53YmkD1tlgqkgo1_500.gif)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/6595bed3b10fc985cbdc5b996fbae765/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo4_250.gif) "All is in ready Damisa-Sarki."

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/60d5accca29f2b1dd677ccd000df356e/tumblr_orcpwwvWxZ1td7vafo3_250.gif) "How are you feeling tonight, my lord king?"

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/28dd0cef2cf266b27a95b5a1050ed7ba/tumblr_inline_o8m1l0Yozs1u9ehtz_500.gif) "Misty."

Forgot my boi Nick...




This right here? Has GOTTA BE THE DOPEST POST OF THIS YEAR. Rilly doe.

T'Challa been done whipped up a subquarkian operational, Thrice Bast and Auser Blessed, Hunter-Seeker Anti-Zombie Virus that seeks out specifically magic, psi, viral, tech, and other manifestations of zombies. Paralyzes them. Reverse engineers the Viral Zombies back to their pre-Zombie state [ while fixing various significant imperfections in their pre-Zombie state: the blind can see; the paralyzed can walk, the deaf can hear, etc ], while using Holy Magic to destroy the Unholy Zombies utterly and completely.

T'Challa didn't even have to be awakened for this. None of the Royals had to direct their attention to this matter. Wakandan Spy Ring got the info and handled the biz as part of their daily intelligence reports. Next.


Hmm, from the trailer, was there any indication of magic in MCU Wakanda?!?  I think it's time for another trailer with more!!!
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Beware Of Geek on September 20, 2017, 03:08:00 pm
Hmm, from the trailer, was there any indication of magic in MCU Wakanda?!?  I think it's time for another trailer with more!!!

Zuri looks a bit mystical, particularly in the HSH scene.  But whether he has actual magic, or is just a spiritual leader, is TBD.
Title: Re: Black Panther #World War Wakanda
Post by: Ture on October 17, 2017, 01:41:51 am
Quote
Originally Posted by CBR's Ziggiyy 
I’m sorry but that sh*t rubs me the wrong way.
A black man elevating and writing BLACK characters should be a matter of pride, not something to shun because you wanna elevate White characters. All of those white characters are going to be just fine, but a historically terrible character like Cyborg would benefit GREATLY from someone of Priest’s talent actually making him more than a pathetic weasel

My quote of the week.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on October 18, 2017, 08:54:18 am
Marvel's 'Black Panther Prelude' Reveals Wakanda's Greatest Weakness

ByTom Bacon, writer at CREATORS.CO

The Prelude comic is officially set ten years before the events of Black Panther. T'Challa has only been the Black Panther for a week, and already he's grown into the role. The first issue opens by carefully inserting Wakanda in real-world events, with the Congolese civil war spilling over the Wakandan border. It's a smart decision, blending this fictional African country into the history of the continent. What's more, it also fixes the geographic location of Wakanda, something the comics have struggled to do.

Will Corona Pilgrim's script then sees T'Challa and Okoye work together against an unusual threat. He reveals that some Wakandans have been captured by mercenaries while in South America, and it falls to the Black Panther to rescue them. Pilgrim lifts two minor characters straight from the comics as leaders of the mercenaries. You have Zanda, who in the comics was ruler of Wakanda's rival nation Narobia, and the martial-artist-turned-mercenary Douglas Scott. Comic book fans will be delighted to see these two enter the wider #MCU.

Intriguingly, it turns out Zanda's whole purpose is to draw the Black Panther out. She's armed with rare vibranium bullets, and she's looking forward to taking down some dangerous prey.


(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto:good,w_600/zbhsawzzitt9odxastnq/a-fascinating-tie-in-credit-marvel-comics.jpg)

The Prelude comic's script is a smart one, offering an important hint at Wakanda's greatest weakness — and, in turn, the Black Panther's. T'Challa storms the kidnappers, confident that he can't be hurt, and that bullets will bounce off his vibranium armor. He's wrong, as he learns to his cost when Zanda shoots him in the shoulder.

Wakanda is a proud nation, one that has never been conquered. Like his people, the Black Panther is confident of his own superiority. He believes that he cannot be beaten, and indeed that he cannot be placed at risk. As a result, this Prelude comic sees the Black Panther take foolish risks, charging into a hostage situation half-cocked. To be sure, this is T'Challa when he is new to his role, but you can see hints of the same overconfidence in Captain America: Civil War.

Now ask how such a proud, isolationist nation would be affected by the death of their King. Black Panther is set shortly after Civil War, and sees T'Challa claim the throne after T'Chaka died during Zemo's terrorist attack. We know that this will lead to the people of Wakanda suffering a crisis of confidence, and ultimately to a dark conspiracy seeking to undermine T'Challa's rule. It's a smart, but subtle, thematic nod.

It's great to see the tie-in comics telling new stories once again, and this is an exciting one. We're seeing the early days of T'Challa's time as the Black Panther, when he's young and reckless, making rookie mistakes. The tie-in comic deliberately contrasts the secretive Black Panther with the flashy Iron Man, reminding us that this is a hero who prefers to stay in the shadows.

In February next year, it will be time for the Black Panther to step out into the light.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 18, 2017, 10:44:52 am
I mean, I'll check it out, but i don't think he would be absolutely reckless like that but W/e i'll still take a look
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on October 18, 2017, 12:04:03 pm
I mean, I'll check it out, but i don't think he would be absolutely reckless like that but W/e i'll still take a look

Agreed Ezyo. I'm on my way to pick up the book now. Report back later tonight.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 18, 2017, 01:38:41 pm
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 18, 2017, 01:44:10 pm
I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on October 18, 2017, 01:48:23 pm
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 18, 2017, 01:53:05 pm
I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Their billing it as early years right? New to power and super overconfident?
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Beware Of Geek on October 18, 2017, 01:55:44 pm
I'm not impressed that the second view fans will see of MCU!BP is of an arrogant & reckless neophyte.  You just KNOW some unfan is going to use this as ammunition.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 18, 2017, 01:56:16 pm
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol

Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]

I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.

I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.

 
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Good question!

My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 18, 2017, 02:16:30 pm
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol

Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]

I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.

I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.

 
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Good question!

My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".

That leads to another question I have. Can weapons made of pure vibranium hurt you? At the point of impact wouldn't it absorb the friction necessary to hurt something or someone?
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on October 18, 2017, 02:33:43 pm
I'm not impressed that the second view fans will see of MCU!BP is of an arrogant & reckless neophyte.  You just KNOW some unfan is going to use this as ammunition.

Nobody reads these anyway lol

And not really mcu canon. Movies all but ignore the tv shows letvalone some comic lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 18, 2017, 03:26:12 pm
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol

Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]

I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.

I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
[/size][/b]


Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.

 
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Good question!

My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".

That leads to another question I have. Can weapons made of pure vibranium hurt you? At the point of impact wouldn't it absorb the friction necessary to hurt something or someone?

If we go overly technical, it would also mute any blow or kick of T'Challa while wearing a vibranium mesh.  (If fact, I almost wonder if someone could even move wearing such a suit.). BUT, for whatever reason, it doesn't do that.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 18, 2017, 03:35:00 pm
I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Their billing it as early years right? New to power and super overconfident?

Spoiler (click to reveal)
Yes, 10 year's ago Tchalla had been BP for a week and Tony just told the world he is Iron Man.[/size][/b]
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 18, 2017, 04:23:37 pm
I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Their billing it as early years right? New to power and super overconfident?

Spoiler (click to reveal)
Yes, 10 year's ago Tchalla had been BP for a week and Tony just told the world he is Iron Man.[/size][/b]
Cool, I can except some arrogance and overconfidence at that point in his career. Batman and Spiderman had similar failings early on.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 18, 2017, 08:31:59 pm
Read it. I like it better than anything Coates' has done so far. Simple comic book with solid execution. The solicit and the the article Ture provided over dramatized the actually product. I was expecting overbearing arrogance, but he was cool and collected.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 18, 2017, 09:28:17 pm
*Still waiting for that proof that T'Challa is a super genius as well*

Yeah it is better then Coates BP for sure.

Has anyone seen the January solicits? Rise of the Black panther has like 3 or 4 variants, and the artist on the book seems legit... I wonder of Marvel is testing to see if this can become another Hudlin break out series (would be nice to actually look forward to a Bp book for once)
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 18, 2017, 09:51:46 pm
There is a movie concept art book coming out that month too. But the price tag is keeping me from getting it. Fifty dollars!! Going to have to wait for Amazon to get a used copy. lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 18, 2017, 11:04:36 pm
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Mcu cap shield shouldnt bounce either lol

Absolutely right. But I automatically held to the original story on CAP's shield, the combo of Vibranium and Adamantium. The only such combo ever [ that we know of...]

I thought that Cap's shield was alternating concentric circles of Adamantium and Vibranium. In this way you only need small doses of each super rare metal, yet still have an incredibly effective and unique weapon. I thought the outer rim of Cap's shield was Adamantium...thus allowing it to bounce. The combo of Adamantium and Vibranium would outright halt and/or deflect most attacks [ Adamantium ] and absorb/disperse/diffuse the rest.

I read the BP Prelude

Spoiler (click to reveal)
It was alright, some action, the art was so so. The Dialogue was okay. I think its worth reading as a BP fan. Not a fan of an over reliance on the habit or lack of showcasing his super genius, but what can ya do. At least he isnt moping like Coates T'Chumpa, He seems fiery and confident (overly so) in his role in Wakanda. T'Chaka mentions the HZ in there so i wonder if they will eventually make a appearance in the movies or if it was more so for comic fans as a shout out, same with S'yan.
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Okay. Buying it now. Thanks Ezyo!!! I dreaded the notion...brought to fruition too many times by other writers... that the fly stuff we saw as a teaser really hid a book that unceremoniously dropped its pants and went #2 on T'Challa's head, yet again.

 
My vibranium physics is questionable, but wouldn't a vibranium bullet fail to leave the barrel? It would absorb the impact of the explosion trying to propel it?

Good question!

My Vibranium Bullets in my fanfic are DRAWN TO THE SPECIFIC MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS OF THEIR TARGETS. POint the barrel at a target. Pull the trigger, simultaneously activating accurate analysis of the molecular vibratory frequency of a target and a Target Lock. Bullet is pulled to the target unerringly, even if the target ducks, runs, leaps into a starship, etc. That's why they have the reputation of "never missing".

That leads to another question I have. Can weapons made of pure vibranium hurt you? At the point of impact wouldn't it absorb the friction necessary to hurt something or someone?


Weapons made of pure Vibranium can do UNTOLD DAMAGE to you...AS WELL AS HEAL. A WEAPON of Vibranium could simply transfer not only its KINETIC ENERGY to you...it can absorb massive amounts of kinetic energy on a subquakian level from the Reality around it. Therefore it transfer its KINETIC ENERGY to you [ or whatever ] or take same from you...or any combination thereof... in quite literally a nearly INFINITE variety of ways. It could amplify and shatter the bonds holding your physical structure together. Literally atomizing you. It could siphon the energy your brain and heart needs to operate...AND REPLACE IT WITH DIFFERENT ENERGY.  It could alter your Temporal Signature while replacing it with precisely the accurate nondisruptive Temporal Signature of whatever you need [ allowing Time Travel without the complications that Outworlders face, and nearly perfectly hiding the act of Time Travel itself; that's why Reed, Doom, Tony, The Leader,  Pym, etc etc detected Time Travel tech operating in Wakanda ]. It could do many crazy things. Like translate T'Challa to Galactus nearly instantaneously.

Because of its many drastically unusual properties, my T'Challa is actually exploring the idea that Vibranium may in some way be Aware...on some level of existence.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on October 19, 2017, 04:47:14 am
*Still waiting for that proof that T'Challa is a super genius as well*



I've given up on that frankly.

I think he will be smart... ie able to understand shuri when she goes full nerd mode.

But I dont think he will be on that Tony Stark/Banner/Pym/Shuri level though. At least not in science. Maybe in strategy ala Cap or something.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 19, 2017, 06:41:10 am
*Still waiting for that proof that T'Challa is a super genius as well*



I've given up on that frankly.

I think he will be smart... ie able to understand shuri when she goes full nerd mode.

But I dont think he will be on that Tony Stark/Banner/Pym/Shuri level though. At least not in science. Maybe in strategy ala Cap or something.

I cant accept that lol, Thast is a core aspect of T'Challa. It would be like taking away Caps strategic prowess and just saying he is a really good soldier.

Honestly at this point im not looking for much. Even something as simple as Shuri going full nerd mode and T'Challa is having a conversation stating that not only does he know what she is talking about, but has himself tested certain theories. He just is too busy being BP and King to really get into the lab and geek out like he used to (Ideally I would like there to be something big, like he designed the quinjets or the military weaponry while Shuri designed most of the everyday tech used throughout the city) I know there was the interview before about how they interact and it was said Shuri Thinks she is smarter then him, honestly im fine with her being a genius, But So should T'challa, even if it simply comes down to a Dark knight rises moment when Lucius Foxx couldn't fix the autopilot an no one could figure it out except bruce at the end, showing he was a genius as well. Is it so much to ask?   
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on October 19, 2017, 09:08:14 am
The Black Panther Prelude was lackluster. On the precipice of a highly anticipated film Will Corona Pilgrim leads off with yet another uninspired tale of Afrakan civil strife and war that once again happens to be at the boarder of Wakanda. Annnapola Martello and Jordan Boyd's  art work left something to be desired as they created an underwhelming look for the cinematic Black Panther comic book debut and an unrecognizable T'Challa. This comic had all the appeal of a rush job purposefully designed to go nowhere.

Marvel still doesn't get it or they are purposefully ignoring (I'm rolling with the latter) the fact that Black Panther is Afrakan futurism. This means the story opens with a HALO scene with Black Panther plummeting to earth combating several dozen hard light adversaries while dictating an equation on improved shadow particle defense screens; all of which is beautifully rendered by visionaries well credited in Afro-futurism.

While it was cool to bring Zanda out of retirement she needed to be more than the side piece of some white South African. That faux Amazon look did nothing for Okoye. Marvel, get rid of the spears. Wakandans use particle weaponry. The whole cold war, winter soldiering schtick is not for the Black Panther. That may work for Ruso's Cap  or Nolan's Dark Knight but thankfully Cooler's Black Panther has no use for it.

We (us at the HEF) have got to go Axanar on this BP thing.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Mortal Man on October 19, 2017, 09:14:00 am
I was very disappointed in Zanda.  A f*cking waste.

If that's the best they can come up with for her, they need to just keep her on the shelf until Coogler and J.Cole can come up with something else.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Mortal Man on October 19, 2017, 09:17:32 am
I wasn't feeling the twist with vibranium on vibranium violence at the end, either.

But i mean, they made like 2 Wolverine movies about that same twist with adamantium too, so i guess.

Felt lazy as sh*t though.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on October 19, 2017, 09:24:22 am
The lack of imagination by some creators, in a medium (comics) that is limitless is... odd

All the matters is coogler and to a lesser extent Redjack
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 19, 2017, 03:43:09 pm
I mean yeah the HEFers here could easily out due that prelude to problem. It still felt better then Coates series Though.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Beware Of Geek on October 19, 2017, 03:48:48 pm
Well, let's be honest, Brother Ezyo.  Marvel Super Hero Squad felt better than Coates. :D
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 19, 2017, 09:05:59 pm
(http://airstre.am/dopamine72/Nicolas%20Cage%20Laugh.gif)

Yeah.. Not that hard to do Honestly. One has   to try to be as bad as Coates
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 25, 2017, 09:43:46 am
This is how you know something is wrong witht the universe. If it doesn't have Coates name on it it must be bad. lol

http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/ (http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/)

These two at least put some effort to give something un Coates related a fair review.

https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/ (https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/)

https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html (https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html)
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on October 25, 2017, 10:27:07 am
This is how you know something is wrong witht the universe. If it doesn't have Coates name on it it must be bad. lol

[url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url] ([url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url])

These two at least put some effort to give something un Coates related a fair review.

[url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url] ([url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url])

[url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url] ([url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url])



Quote
Not gonna lie, I’d consider this prelude issue for Black Panther lacking. I don’t know if the writing by Coates has spoiled me rotten, but I ain’t ever compromising on a Black Panther title. Nope. Better come correct or get up out the kitchen!


good lord
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on October 25, 2017, 10:50:14 am
This is how you know something is wrong witht the universe. If it doesn't have Coates name on it it must be bad. lol

[url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url] ([url]http://blacknerdproblems.com/black-panther-prelude-1-review/[/url])

These two at least put some effort to give something un Coates related a fair review.

[url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url] ([url]https://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-black-panther-prelude-1/[/url])

[url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url] ([url]https://www.newsarama.com/37063-best-shots-reviews-black-panther-prelude-1-batman-33.html[/url])


First guy needs to get off Coates nuts, and learn how to do a review properly with grammar checks as well as using proper grammar in general. Its Crazy how Coates poor writing quality is being taken is as far better then it deserves, and when someone is given a decent comic, because its not flowery prose and bullsh*t poetry, it is regarded as sub par somehow

Its clear that the first reviewer is NOT an actual BP fan
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: 4sake on October 25, 2017, 11:54:36 am
Well, let's be honest, Brother Ezyo.  Marvel Super Hero Squad felt better than Coates. :D

Hey Marvel Super Hero Squad was pretty good lol.. I demand the return of Reptil.. it's better than Teen Titans Go in my opinion..
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 07, 2017, 04:05:59 pm
(https://www.booktopia.com.au/http_coversbooktopiacomau/big/9780241300817/marvel-black-panther.jpg)

Find out everything you need to know about the heroic King of Wakanda, Black Panther.

DK's Marvel Black Panther- The Ultimate Guide explores the fascinating world of the warrior, monarch, scientist and superhero known as Black Panther. This comprehensive book showcases stunning Black Panther comic artwork and examines iconic characters, from T'Challa and Storm to Ulysses Klaw, as well as key issues and story lines. Packed with information on allies, enemies, locations and much more, this book is a must-have for fans of Black Panther comics, Marvel Comics and movies and the Avengers.

2018 MARVEL


Age Range- from 12 years

https://www.booktopia.com.au/marvel-black-panther-dk/prod9780241300817.html (https://www.booktopia.com.au/marvel-black-panther-dk/prod9780241300817.html)


(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/8465/9781846538469.jpg)

Marvel Platinum: The Definitive Black Panther

By (author)  Stan Lee , By (author)  Roy Thomas , By (artist)  Jack Kirby
   
T'Challa is the king of Wakanda, an African nation that is the most technologically advanced society in the world and sits upon the largest deposit of an extremely rare natural resource called vibranium. As king, T'Challa bears the ceremonial title that has been born by all his predecessors. He is the spiritual leader of their nation, the defender of Wakanda, the hunter in the dark. T'Challa is... the Black Panther! Marvel Platinum: The Black Panther brings together the very best tales from the character's 50-plus years of history, including his first appearance, his origin and his greatest and most pivotal moments.

https://www.bookdepository.com/Marvel-Platinum-Definitive-Black-Panther-Stan-Lee/9781846538469 (https://www.bookdepository.com/Marvel-Platinum-Definitive-Black-Panther-Stan-Lee/9781846538469)


Can't wait to see BP drawn in cinema format with consistently good artwork.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/77/92/70/7792709f2cc930232dd92065f0e4d031.jpg)

I like this BP emblem Marvel is rockin'. It unique and doesn't scream Thundercats.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c9/a0/63/c9a063c1798af48ffc4dcbd48662526e--marvel-super-heroes-black-panthers.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on November 07, 2017, 07:06:18 pm
Interesting.i wonder if they got everything
 They should of collaborated with esteemed MoS as to not miss anything
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on November 08, 2017, 04:38:32 am
i'll be interested to see whats really in either of those

i need to get back to blogging lol.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 09, 2017, 09:43:31 pm
(https://image.ibb.co/ebkcyG/Black_Panthro.jpg)

courtesy of CBR's G. Boney
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 10, 2017, 07:23:08 pm
A long time ago in a hood not so far, far away...

It was the summer of '88 and Public Enemy dropped their second album It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back. Hip Hop gold, classic rap but it was the song Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos that took us to another level. The voice, the lyrics, the music, the message just defined Public Enemy as the vanguard of conscious Hip Hop. Then came the video... WTF. Chuck gets hung at the end! No scene of that water tower blowing up... wait a minute Chuck D is hung as a white man looks on, smiling... That's not how the song ended. Check out the lyrics.

I ventured into the courtyard
Followed by 52 brothers bruised, battered, and scarred but hard
Going out with a bang, ready to bang out
But power from the sky and from the tower shots rang out
A high number of dose, yes and some came close
Figure I trigger my steel, stand and hold my post
This is what I mean, an anti-nigga machine
If I come out alive and then they won't come clean
And then I threw up my steel bullets flew up
And to my surprise the water tower blew up, who shot
What, who, what, the bazooka was who
And to my rescue, it was the S1Ws
Secured my getaway, so I just got away
The joint broke, from the black smoke
Then they saw it was rougher than the average bluffer
Cause the steel was black, the attitude exact
Now the chase is on telling you to c'mon
53 brothers on the run, and we are gone

Now check out the video.

http://youtu.be/ZM5_6js19eM (http://youtu.be/ZM5_6js19eM)

We hated that and more importantly we knew why the visual was purposefully made different from the audio. This brings me to an article I read last year by Evan Narcisse entitled The Superman Crossover That Perfectly Explained White Privilege Decades Ago, (full article here https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-superman-crossover-that-perfectly-explained-white-p-1785744977. (https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-superman-crossover-that-perfectly-explained-white-p-1785744977.) In the article there is a comparison of Superman and Milestone's Icon. Concerning my point, Evans gives a brief on Icon's origin.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/l7z5He6iBUElsDfMF_RiE-qb_ta2vX1G6eKuJjPb54yEtwyKctXhMEl9V1ZS4OiAHh4xaH9u04o4VA=s1600)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/bov7lsxsywfg9iejrsin.png)

I remember reading this issue in the summer of '94 and asking why this Superman analog, with all this power didn't help to end the enslavement of Afrakan people. Better question was why the author of this tale chose to write it as such? In 2015 we got a comic book entitled Strange Fruit. Another off color retelling of an extraterrestrial coming to earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man. While it is clear that Superman came to earth as a white male from a race of white people, Icon on the other hand was a silver skinned alien who adopted the aesthetics of an Afrakan. The protagonist of Strange Fuit arrives as an Afrakan and is shown in fashion the belies justice, freedom or power.

Experimentation and torture.

(http://images.tcj.com/2016/01/image41-650x746.png)

Jailed and beaten.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8587243/IMG_0107.jpg)

Tilling the soil.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/8P6iBYm8cCtHVKJb-_D84H7UXbwXBOr5b7qSYzEnKncxP6V-TLSCUEI6uWjopvSAMs9agRPlJ-iX=s1600)

Don't be perceived as threatening, even when confronted by those with violent intent.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/kFfR6VxhepLRXHMC6OZQBLpAGXiRyPPTXbc-Tgi-4_i5pSpK9DhEKYoz9i3-8qwFPzGkY3hkDvYW=s1600)

I get the subliminals, like it was against the law for a so called Black person to learn to read or write the white man's language;  "if you want to hide something from a so called Black person put it in a book"; "Get the white man's education, cause that's the one thing he can't take from you." and the UNCF tagline "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

We are inundated with the image of the noble and self sacrificing so called negro. If one is a prisoner of war (enslaved) what does it matter to them if their oppressors town is destroyed?


“If you can control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his action. When you determine what a man shall think you do not have to concern yourself about what he will do. If you make a man feel that he is inferior, you do not have to compel him to accept an inferior status, for he will seek it himself. If you make a man think that he is justly an outcast, you do not have to order him to the back door. He will go without being told; and if there is no back door, his very nature will demand one.”
― Carter G. Woodson, The Mis-Education of the Negro


Are these to be our indelible sygils...

Police brutality.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NzW9bNkIrZdxkakbrBGHkjsUmd9OmxAZTP3RJ43EBsjJXb2TkNpVJjTNI6MSu9MuifVulNXb1o3x=s1600)

Lynching.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/KW-f7O_c1u9U8Lv_xQTjs1H_q6bHG-44zig31BHskev3B8HqOtddbzpHnwzIHD5whwIO0cs5qnvL=s1600)

Profiling.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/GUsUN_i3B7bDPY11DETm-Ee9o114HkMko8XA0yFFhzYMo55C78HPKtaK11EmbMGJkr8eh4thKW0o1b5vwMIr_MGnjl7b_Dj9FWNP1bVYZarhytchsSkGq_e9WNqi1IQFA9oV8A=s1600)

Behind bars for wanting acceptance and inclusion.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/0i8WWV8TcfqxsFsQKsLtxwlkso_s9NrrZ0b_MNtw7XzbYJPGvgzS_PcCYCjggJCwT7HrOZZTGsv4_NCW5Lb5izoZNmaCwyELgkBrs1dUCDhcTB1KY14gSYDytIbWrpjY6ASH=s1600)

Lest we forget... A not so funny thing happened on our way to the movie.

(https://i2.wp.com/overpoweredentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/rm5s8p.jpg)

TaNehesi Coates, America's latest, heralded, black intellectual is given the Black Panther to write. He takes Black Panther's comic book sales to the very top of the charts, number one. All on the back of Wakandan (Afrakan, so called Black) women being abused and rape.

In reality it was the Black Panther's cinematic debut in Captain America Civil War in combination with Coates' notoriety creating a perfect storm of events that really propelled Black Panther to that number one spot. As I stated, we are on our way to a movie. A movie that may lead us away from the troupes of slavery, victimization, disempowerment and conformity for inclusion and acceptance.

For diversity's sake... along side the Empires, the Scandals, the Powers, the Queen Sugars, the Haves and the Have Nots and the Getting Away With Murders just to name a few, we demanded a live action Black Panther and that demand has been heard. This is what we will get to see...


Granduer.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/kccn27cluqc1d0clhelg.png)

Ownership.

(https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/16fbba2b1ab7ad611a9cbf48ec0f43b5/205362550/black-panther-trailer.jpg)

Pride.

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113509/5896492-dora+movie.jpg)

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/XVIjXfq56GzviCbC5TTdhcJ-p4=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8662623/Screen_Shot_2017_06_10_at_12.11.59_AM.png)

Swag.

(https://beano-uploads-production.imgix.net/store/b663fbb4de09c2cd27c0f64d80a2f5a7c9ec725c8aa3afe99aa58a6c5ff5?auto=compress&w=960&fit=max)

Love.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DElbf-dXoAAi3Ph.jpg)

Style.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/ab45e414dc55d94355b070a61b25a82b/tumblr_oxx4eyUTjX1vuzrxeo1_540.gif)

Tradition.

(https://images7.alphacoders.com/854/854304.jpg)

Power.

(https://news.marvel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2017/06/BlackPanther_post_master-960x540.jpg)

This will be much more preferred. The reason being that Afrakan people, so called Black people really appreciate themselves and their culture.

Marvel has to decide soon what they are going to do about Coates. Finding a new writer with his popularity may prove challenging. Though it is possible but highly improbable that Coates will "awaken" and write Black Panther in a manner respectful to both his mythos and reason for being, the fact remains that the movie will have an overwhelming impact on people's interests in reading a Black Panther comic.

We may be standing on the precipice about to witness a paradigm shift in the way Afrakan people are viewed. A movie shrouded in Afrakan centered Afro-Futurism about Afrkan people empowered to do their own bidding and interesting enough to watch them do so.  It was smart on Marvel's part to release a new title Rise of the Black Panther written by Evan Narcisse to coincide with the movie.


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I think pressure from the success of the film will greatly influence the adventures of the Black Panther as read in the comics.

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Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 10, 2017, 08:55:53 pm
Brother Ture, as usual...you wrote a GORGEOUS post above. And I agree with every point you made...except one.

RANT BEGINS:

Coates will definitely feel some pressure to change his T'Chumpa The Bland Panther into the real deal Afrakan who is OUR T'Challa The Black Panther.  We definitely agree there. But I don' think TNC is amenable to the logic of writing T'Challa correctly. I think he won't concede an inch. In fact? He'll probably double down on the manure he writes.

oh GAWD I wish they'd let R to the H rock BP after the movie drops. Even moreso than CJP, he would kiiillll the Black Power angle coming from Coogler's surefire breaking the billion dollar mark hit BLACK PANTHER movie.

If not R to the H? You gotta let CJP do this. It's CJP's BP that officially put BP on the map in the first place.

Matta fact? R to the H and CJP collab on BP, CJP and Walker rock a 12 issue maxi-series for FALCON, CJP writes INHUMANS, RH rocks Luke Cage solo with Scott as the artist '[ RH=GOAT Luke Cage writer ], get Coates the eff outta here [ Idk if I even trust him with STORM...do any of yall? I think he'd write her by far the best insofar as character is concerned but not for power feats, h2h or anything else ]. I was thinking that maybe TNC should write Afrakan women, but after what he did with Misty Knight? I gotz serious doubts.

Redjack can kill it too, man. Get Redjack on BLADE. And give him a dope artist for 12 issues at least. A good guest star in a BLADE book? HAWKEYE. An archer who can put sharp wood in your heart from a quarter mile away? Vampires, beware. This archer got a quiver full of stakes. That story writes itself. The jokes in that book? Crazy. And you know what? I think Redjack and Walker can write a smokin hot TASKMASTER 6 or 12 issue shot.

 And you know what else? I really think that CJP would kill it with MOON KNIGHT. Seriously. I think he could write a hellafied popular 12 issue run on MK. And maybe take over the writing chores permanently if his miniseries does well.

You know what else? I think that Mockingbird and Black Widow should team up. you know they got issue from being on opposite sides in the past.

I think that RH could write a dope Spectrum+Captain Marvel book. Yeah, I said it.

Get our dope Nigerian sistah Nnedi Okorafor to write a Shuri 12 issue solo. That's right up her alley. Get her a heavy hitting syfy artist. We got a hit on our hands. And uh...guess what? Nnedi is a SHOE IN for writing MOON GIRL into real relevance. And RiRi Williams? Was MADE FOR NNEDI OKORAFOR. Really. Come on, now, you see it, too.

Marjorie Liu. Writing Elektra. The REAL Elektra. Who would have Asian blood in her. Thanks.


RANT ENDS
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on November 10, 2017, 10:43:09 pm
Given what I have read up about Evan and
seen from his interview, I feel he is the type of writer we should of gotten with T'Challa coming in hot off of CW, or better yet, Redjack would of been a nice match up since he is Killing  it on the cartoon. If done right I feel rise of the Black panther would be an appropriate name for a new BP ongoing after the movie drops. Hopefully Evan puts his money where his mouth is and delivers the BP he claims to enjoy the most and we can get a another ongoing catered to true Bp fan's
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Beware Of Geek on November 11, 2017, 01:38:52 am
Marvel isn't going to do a thing to make the comics line up with the movies, other than slapping the BP name on as much material as they can.

I mean, look at Doctor Strange.  He gets a full ongoing in time for the movie, and what do they do?  Immediately depower him, and spend MONTHS having him mope around, barely able to cast a spell.

The movie hits DVD, and he's still depowered.  They don't even give him back the two artifacts most closely associated with him in both the movies & comics.  Just an axe.  That goddamn bloody axe.

The character appears in ANOTHER movie, and... the next issue has someone else holding his mantle (including at least one of the artifacts that was supposedly destroyed).

I waited over two years for a Strange comic that even looks like either the character I grew up with, or at least the movie version.  I finally gave up.

No offense to Mr. Narcisse, but as far as I'm concerned, Marvel Comics can go hang.

Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on November 11, 2017, 10:46:52 am
Marvel isn't going to do a thing to make the comics line up with the movies, other than slapping the BP name on as much material as they can.

I mean, look at Doctor Strange.  He gets a full ongoing in time for the movie, and what do they do?  Immediately depower him, and spend MONTHS having him mope around, barely able to cast a spell.

The movie hits DVD, and he's still depowered.  They don't even give him back the two artifacts most closely associated with him in both the movies & comics.  Just an axe.  That goddamn bloody axe.

The character appears in ANOTHER movie, and... the next issue has someone else holding his mantle (including at least one of the artifacts that was supposedly destroyed).

I waited over two years for a Strange comic that even looks like either the character I grew up with, or at least the movie version.  I finally gave up.

No offense to Mr. Narcisse, but as far as I'm concerned, Marvel Comics can go hang.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Rise of the Black Panther is a fitting title for this series Evan Narcisse is writing. I'm hopeful he turns out to be another Hudlin and break the stint of deconstruction Tchalla has been plagued with for the past years. It Also sound's like a good name of a new ongoing really to coincide with the movie
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 12, 2017, 10:55:59 pm
Here is another well written article concerning the Black Panther.


‘Black Panther’ isn’t just another Marvel movie — it’s a vision of a future led by blackness
By Xavier Harding

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Marvel’s Black Panther lives in the present, but there’s plenty that would suggest otherwise. Slated for a February 2018 release, the movie — which is directed by Ryan Coogler (Fruitvale Station, Creed) — showcases the world of Wakanda: a fictional African nation that’s the most technologically advanced place on the planet. The country is led by King T’Challa, a.k.a. Black Panther (Chadwick Boseman), and is rich with all sorts of sci-fi tech: futuristic hologram beads, self-materializing superhero costumes and some of the most mind-blowing aircrafts the world’s ever seen.

But Wakanda is more than just a fun spectacle; it represents something much more magnificent and powerful — a version of Africa unaffected by the external world, one that was allowed to pursue its own march toward spectacular progress.


When the most recent trailer for the movie was released in October, people weren’t just excited, they were jubilant. Now, it’s an event pretty much every time there’s a new Marvel movie but — no disrespect to Spider-Man: Homecoming, Thor: Ragnarok, etc. — those blockbusters don’t normally have an entire culture of people impatiently awaiting their release. So what makes Black Panther especially noteworthy?

The secret sauce of Marvel’s Black Panther is Afrofuturism — an arts form that combines science fiction with black culture to create a future informed by blackness. On its face, Black Panther masquerades as Marvel’s latest superhero flick. Dig deeper and you’ll find the movie’s true identity: an Africa-set, Afrofuturist film — made for black people, by black people — powered by a Disney budget.


Afrofuturism Has Been Looking Ahead for Decades

As a term, “Afrofuturism” is often credited to author Mark Dery, who reportedly coined it in a 1992 essay for Duke University Press called “Black to the Future.”

(Arizona State professor Michael Bennett noted in a phone interview with Mic that he also gives credit to Mark Sinker, editor of U.K. music magazine The Wire, who “didn’t use the term [Afrofuturism] but he expressed many similar concepts that hit the notion on the chin.” Other early proponents, mentioned Bennett, include professor Alondra Nelson and author Sheree Thomas.)

But as a concept, Afrofuturism dates much further back than the early ’90s, making Black Panther the latest in a long line of works to blend sci-fi and black culture.

The original Star Trek series from the 1960s isn’t overtly Afrofuturistic, but it does feature actress Nichelle Nichols, who played Lieutenant Uhura and who was the first black woman to portray a sci-fi character. And that was a significant milestone — so much so that, in a 2011 interview with NPR, Nichols said she nearly nearly left the show to pursue other roles, but was dissuaded by none other than Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Nichols said that when they first met, Dr. King told her, “You are marching. You are reflecting what we are fighting for.”

More classically Afrofuturistic works include the writings of author Octavia Butler, like 1979’s Kindred, a story about time travel. Or 1987’s Dawn, which is part of the Lillith’s Brood series, wherein a black woman works with aliens to bring back the human race after a devastating war. (Dawn is being made into a TV series led by director Ava DuVernay.)

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Music can be Afrofuturistic, too. The songs and visuals brought to us by jazz musician Sun Ra in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s contain the common theme of space being where black people can live and escape the evils of the actual world.

In the 1974 film Space Is the Place, which Sun Ra co-wrote and stars in, he plans to settle a new planet with an African-American colony. At one point, Sun Ra notes that his planet sounds different from Earth, as there are no sounds of guns, anger and frustration. “We set up a colony of black people here,” Sun Ra says, “see what they can do on a planet all their own without any white people there.”


It’s not just Sun Ra, though; Afrofuturistic vibes are also woven into modern black music. Jimi Hendrix, Missy Elliott, George Clinton, Solange and more are all part of this lineage. In the 2010s, Janelle Monáe is carrying the Afrofuturism torch proudly, with 2007’s Metropolis EP and albums like 2010’s The ArchAndroid and 2013’s The Electric Lady. The latter LP’s title track offers lines like, “She can fly you straight to the moon or to the ghettos/ Wearing tennis shoes or in flats or in stilettos,” and “I’ll reprogram your mind, come on get in/ My spaceship leaves at 10.”

Black Panther Doesn’t Forget the “Afro” Part of “Afrofuturism”

In film, though, Afrofuturism isn’t about just casting a black person — who is usually Will Smith— in your sci-fi movie. There’s one aspect to the movement that can sometimes get lost, an aspect that Black Panther seems to nail: ties to Africa itself. “When we talk about Afrofuturism, the last thing we think of, if at all, are people from the continent,” sci-fi author Nalo Hopkinson said in a recent video call with Mic. “It’s in the damn title.”

Black Panther doesn’t just show fictional Africa, it shows it well. “To have something with this broad a reach be positively African and knowledgeably African, there is no way to calculate how vital that is, because we are so badly represented,” Hopkinson said. “This is why when I watch reaction videos to the trailer, there are people bursting into tears because it’s showing us not only as we know ourselves to be, but as we storify ourselves.”

Africa’s aura can be found in many aspects of the movie. There’s the setting obviously, but take the clothing, for example. In October, Mic published an interview with Ruth E. Carter, Black Panther’s costume designer, who told us that the Maasai people influenced the clothing we see in the movie. “I needed to find a way that I could represent the African diaspora and have the technology infused in the clothes in a clever way, in a regal way,” Carter said. Using real-world tech to her aid, some of the more detailed costumes were made possible thanks to 3-D printing.

Spotting a work of Afrofuturism may seem easy, but there’s a slight stigma with how the label is attached to works by black artists. “A lot of artists are concerned that it’s a catch-all phrase for anyone black that’s making work with sci-fi or surrealist themes,” filmmaker and artist Adebukola Bodunrin said in an email.

But Black Panther is using genuine Afrofuturistic elements to, in Wakanda, create a world that people can feel connected to. And it has folks really excited to see the flick.

Afrofuturism As Escapism

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The feeling of satisfaction Black Panther viewers get from viewing even just the trailer isn’t just because it’s a Marvel film with a black main character (though this is also important). The movie’s real importance is that, like the works of Octavia Butler and Sun Ra, it offers an entire world to escape into. In Wakanda, we’ve moved past the problems of police shootings of black youth and the court verdicts they result in, or an administration that disregards the voices of many of its black citizens when they publicly protest.

Afrofuturism offers a reprieve from the real world and Black Panther could be the most mainstream, biggest-budget example of it yet. In February, for roughly two hours, black people will get to live in a world where we’re the coolest heroes, we make the coolest stuff and Donald Trump isn’t president. Afrofuturism can bring a troubled people something truly special: an escape.


https://mic.com/articles/186029/black-panther-isnt-just-another-marvel-movie-its-a-vision-of-a-future-led-by-blackness#.DuB3bsUzt
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 16, 2017, 08:57:32 pm
Wakanda Forever: On the Importance of Black Panther


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By Clarkisha Kent

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The time has finally come. After waiting 20-odd years (read: my entire life), we are finally on the eve of Black Panther’s arrival. And by “eve,” I mean that finally, Black Panther will be the very next Marvel film to grace our eyeballs. Indeed. Come Feb. 16, 2018, black people across the African Diaspora will pack the theaters with our ceiling-touching geles, our brightly colored dashikis, and our sharpest black-and-white attire, and lose our collective black minds. All for the purpose of celebrating the blackity blackness that will be the premiere of Black Panther.

To be clear, this hype is incredibly warranted for a variety of reasons. Not only is a Black Panther film wildly overdue, but the titular character has social, historical and cultural significance that I can honestly talk about all day.

But since I don’t have all day, I’m gonna start with this:

1. Black Panther remains socially and culturally relevant because it imagines a world where black people continually triumph over the influences of capitalism, Western imperialism and white supremacy.

Part of the reason I’m so hype for Black Panther is that it’s bound to explore the existence of black people in the Marvel Cinematic Universe beyond America (and the small group of them in Asgard) and in a way that isn’t colorblind.

I say this because Ulysses Klaw’s introduction in The Avengers: Age of Ultron and his return to Black Panther makes it clear that themes like capitalism, imperialism and white supremacy will be explored.

For context, remember that part in the teaser trailer when Klaw is talking to Everett Ross and they are both (but mostly him) obsessing over Wakanda and the fact that these group of black people they have stumbled upon are far more advanced than anything they ever imagined? Remember how shook Ross was and how giddy Klaw looked?

Well, Klaw’s giddiness has significance when you think about how it might be used against a place like Wakanda. To explain, Wakanda, as a wealthy and technologically advanced African nation, houses Earth’s only known source of the precious metal known as Vibranium (i.e., the kind of stuff Captain America’s shield is forged from). And as a result, T’Challa and his people have often been the targets of colonial exploration and economic exploitation at the hands of his most bitter enemy—Ulysses Klaw.

In fact, it was Klaw (not Baron Zemo) who killed T’Challa’s father (T’Chaka) for the explicit purpose of getting his hands on the Vibranium. And his brand of villainy here should be noted, because unlike a sizable portion of T’Challa’s other villains (Man-Ape, Erik Killmonger, etc.), who stem from homegrown conflicts and power struggles, Klaw’s existence puts a face on Western imperialism and the lengths to which it will go to further exploit Africa via capitalistic methods. This fight of his shouldn’t be overlooked, especially since this exploitation (and pursuit of liberation) is something that the continent is still battling in actual real time.

This has huge, alternative and historical implications for us as black people, and is why Black Panther remains relevant. Not only does his fight against Klaw expand the conversation of “struggle” to include those of us outside the American context and across the Diaspora, but it also provides a glimpse of an alternative future where we can triumph over these forces that have plagued us for so long (Afrofuturism for the win!).

And the right to imagine alternative, utopic visions of black existence is something I don’t take lightly.

Which brings me to my next point:


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2. Black Panther Puts black women at the center of this black utopia. As it should.

You don’t have to be an astrophysicist to notice that black women are sorely lacking in Marvel’s movie-verse. You also don’t have to be an astrophysicist to note that when it comes to black liberation, black women (and queer and transgender people) are the focal points of black resistance. So what happens when you notice these two things and decide to address them both in one fell swoop?

Well, you essentially get Ryan Coogler’s reimagining of Black Panther.

So what happens when you notice these two things and decide to address them both in one fell swoop?

Well, you essentially get Ryan Coogler’s reimagining of Black Panther.

Humor aside, literally the only black women we’ve seen in an expanded role on the film side of the Marvel CU is Valkyrie/Scrapper 142, and the irony doesn’t escape me that it took another person of color as director (shoutout to Taika Watiti) to accomplish that.

So, it’s a big deal that in Black Panther, black women not only make up a majority of the cast but are also taking up a fairly pivotal role (e.g., the Dora Milaje) in fighting off what looks like the outside influences of people like Klaw, as well as quelling the internal discord that Killmonger and such are seeking to drum up.

This is worth noting because black women are oh so familiar with studios and network executives assuming that the representation of just cisgender, straight black men should be enough for all black people (despite the fact that black people aren’t a goddamn monolith). It is also worth noting because black women are going to get to see ourselves in multiple capacities—in front of and behind the camera.

Don’t believe me? Well, you better believe that Ruth E. Carter, a black woman, is responsible for the larger-than-life costumes we’ve seen in the previews thus far. And if you still don’t believe that, check out the fact that we have superstars (most of them notably dark-skinned, which is a significance I will tackle another day) like Angela Bassett, Letitia Wright, Lupita Nyong’o, Florence Kasumba and Danai Gurira playing queens, elite bodyguards, princesses and romantic interests.

It’s almost as if director Coogler understands our influence and our value and realizes how much we, too, deserve some shine.

And speaking of shine:


3. Black Panther will have black superheroes ditching the sidekick or wise-mentor role for the first time since Blade.

Not that I’m trying to be over-dramatic or anything, but Black Panther will pretty much be the first time in 20 f*cking years since Blade that black heroes get to ditch the sidekick or “black BFF” trope for a solo flick.

Well ... I’ll walk that back, since it’s a baby lie.

There have been not so valiant attempts (Catwoman) and semivaliant attempts (Hancock) to depart from our existence as ethnic accessories to otherwise Wonder Bread protagonists, but most of them have fallen short. This is especially the case for the beloved MCU (particularly its movies), which is by far the worst offender regarding the black-BFF trope.

Some of the most egregious examples of this lie in characters like Sam Wilson (Falcon) and James “Rhodey” Rhodes (War Machine). Rhodey is Tony Stark/Iron Man’s best friend, confidant and supposedly his equal. Sam is supposed to be Steve Rogers/Captain America’s friend and compatriot, but he is reduced to being an eager “fanboy” and “sidekick” of Captain America’s in his cinematic debut.

Conversely, Rhodey does not make an appearance in any of the Iron Man films without Tony, and such is the case for Falcon (sans that one scene in Ant-Man). Calling them equals when they are mere extensions of both Tony and Steve is generous.

And I won’t even get started on Rhodey being the worst case of this, with that infamous switcheroo before Iron Man 2 and the fact that he was the premier character and narrative sacrifice in Captain America: Civil War—which is doubly ironic since that’s the first time we see T’Challa.

That we’ve gone nearly 20 full years without seeing a black superhero in a solo capacity or seeing the kind of self-determination and eternal cool that T’Challa represents is annoying but not unheard of, seeing as how the cultural impact of black superheroes tends to be downplayed or even suppressed ... which is something that the aforementioned Blade (1998) continues to battle.

Even if I don’t want to parse the kind of cultural impact or topics it dealt with (I maintain to this day that Blade as a character and a film dealt a lot with the politics of being multiracial and black in a way I hadn’t seen tackled yet).

Blade has the distinction of being the film that gave Marvel a much needed spark after it filed for bankruptcy in 1996 (and auctioned off fan favorites like The X-Men and Spider-Man) and before the MCU was even a workable idea. It also gave superhero movies during that time a much needed kick in the ass, because prior to that?

Well, we had just had that unfortunate run-in with bat nipples.

Blade is an underrated example of our influence being particularly strong and of our cultural impact (we move the culture, y’all!) being undeniable, despite being downplayed. And I’m hoping that Black Panther is able to build on its spiritual predecessor’s work come February.

And even then, I have no doubts that Marvel will congratulate itself on doing the bare minimum to appear more inclusive, even though its demonstrated resistance to changing the status quo and implementing what it thought was an “appropriate” amount of black and female representation in overly white and male films took this damn long to change.

But that’s not really what I’m concerned with. I’m more concerned with the fact that an entire generation of black children, teens and tweens will be exposed to this huge icon known as Black Panther and will be validated. They’ll get to see themselves represented and accounted for, rather than relegated to the background. They’ll get to see someone who is as cool and brilliant as Iron Man and as righteous as Captain America defending people who look just like them.

And, you know, I get it.

Representation like this isn’t everything and isn’t going to solve all of our struggles, but damn if it ain’t a good place to start.


http://www.theroot.com/wakanda-forever-on-the-importance-of-black-panther-1820459283 (http://www.theroot.com/wakanda-forever-on-the-importance-of-black-panther-1820459283)
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 21, 2017, 02:44:17 pm
Rumble young man, rumble.

"He kinda just sucks.

Or, to be somewhat more constructive, he just has a very feeble (impotent?) way of writing T'Challa that is off putting. Observe the way Chadwick and Ryan speak on T'Challa, and observe the way Ta-Nehisi does. i.e. King is the most important thing to him vs he doesn't want to be king and he ain't that good at it and woe is he woe is he. John Hickman's T'Challa started off in a worse spot emotionally (right after Doomwar, then AvX) and his BP was still more in line with Chad and Ryan, with John's BP stating specifically to Bast that being King is his greatest desire and his BP retaining a stubborn confidence and pride that led to him restoring Wakanda and the universe at the end.

It was almost like, yea Doom got me good (when i risked my life to save a Dora), i lost my throne, i lost my wife, my people got flooded, and now the universe is about to blow up... but i'm still me, and damn it i do great things. John fumbled a bit execution wise (im not necessarily his biggest fan) but in principle he understood. And John's intent was to have Storm be a part of the Illuminati and continue their romance and actually have her be a part of something relevant, two-fold, but he was cock blocked by Marvel or X-Office, or both.

Ta-Nehisi however comes in with an agenda to insinuate Wakanda has a rape culture and T'Challa is a safe negro who wanted to learn how to be a hero from the Avengers (instead of spy on them to ensure they weren't a threat to Wakanda), felt admiration for Dr. Doom (instead of wanting to kick his ass for murdering his uncle and countless Wakandans) and was negligent to active rapes in his administration that his head body guard was well aware of. Some are big things, some minor, but even the minor ones like the "learn" vs "spy".. it's like why actively try to make him less bad ass? Why give him stockholm syndrome for Dr. Doom?

Of course they've seemingly swept all that ill-will between him and the Doras under the rug to the point where they're apparently working for him again and calling him all the cutesy names as before. So it just comes across like Marvel editorial said: "all that rape culture, and he doesn't want to be king, and path to dethrone him... yea, you can't actually do that. Clean it up and get ready to bring back Klaw." Which doesn't take away from the principle of how he approached the mytho. And then the principle of him trying to milk BP's name to tell questionable stories about the Doras in NY and Erza whatever.

Also not a fan of his story telling from a technical stand point, but that's not as egregious for me."

Courtesy of CBR's Rumble


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Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on November 26, 2017, 09:49:39 am
A not so long time ago in universe not so far, far away...
SALE
WARS


Season 2
THE BLACK MENANCE
Turmoil has engulfed the nation of Wakanda. The rape camps have lead to an uprising.
The Dora Malje, now confused, are in rebellion as testosterone levels have fallen to an all time low.
Women are caged and rape, suicide bombers run rampant, as an uncaring and wavering government watches from the shadows. The king appears lost and uncertain as he seeks council
from the evil and corrupt. The Wakanda we knew is supplanted by stereotypical 3rd world imagery and the hallmarks of slavery. The newest revelation is that the Wakandans themselves were colonist and stole the very land they call home. All this and more to come
has been orchestrated by the diabolical Black Menace for the appeasement of his master. To further ingratiate himself to his handler, the Black Menace commits to undoing the works of those who preceded him and continue the improvement of sales. Alas there is a disturbance in the Force...Force Push.


Coates versus Hudlin versus Priest

C BLACK PANTHER #166 55,314  H Black Panther #19 – 28,372    P Black Panther 19  23,244
C BLACK PANTHER #18  27,285   H Black Panther #18 – 69,912    P Black Panther 18  23,830
C BLACK PANTHER #17 25,609    H Black Panther #17 – 27,993    P Black Panther 17  24,021
C BLACK PANTHER #16 29,593    H Black Panther #16 – 28,091    P Black Panther 16  26,030
C BLACK PANTHER #15 25,466    H Black Panther #15 – 28,361    P Black Panther 15  30,053
C BLACK PANTHER #14 27,287    H Black Panther #14 – 28,809    P Black Panther 14  29,146
C BLACK PANTHER #13 30,509    H Black Panther #13 – 26,054    P Black Panther 13  31,486



THE TOTALS
C 221,063                                    H 237,592                                    P 187,810
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on November 26, 2017, 10:48:24 am
and the supportd will say it's because others aren't smart enough to comprehend how deep Coates writing is lol
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on December 01, 2017, 11:17:46 am
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPxeuxYWkAIBTzP.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPxdra_X0AMPdp5.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP8RDFgWsAA5Emu.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPw6MMsUIAAfyi_.jpg)

courtesy of CBR's UltimateTy

Art looks good. Not sure how I feel about the an Afrakan woman collaborating with the Nazis assuming such is true. I wonder if they are in South Africa or Wakanda reason being the woman reaction and the construction equipment. Really appreciate the goddess,Panther God and possibly an ancestor or deity picture.  Cap choke hold looks cover worthy. This may be just the thing to start countering the Coatesverse. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 01, 2017, 12:46:04 pm
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.
Art looks good. Not sure how I feel about the an Afrakan woman collaborating with the Nazis assuming such is true. I wonder if they are in South Africa or Wakanda reason being the woman reaction and the construction equipment. Really appreciate the goddess,Panther God and possibly an ancestor or deity picture.  Cap choke hold looks cover worthy. This may be just the thing to start countering the Coatesverse. Fingers crossed.


If you mean the woman in this pic:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP8RDFgWsAA5Emu.jpg)

she's not African at all.  That's Warrior Woman of the Super-Axis:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_%28Earth-616%29 (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_%28Earth-616%29)
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Mortal Man on December 01, 2017, 01:09:10 pm
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPxeuxYWkAIBTzP.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPxdra_X0AMPdp5.jpg)


I always liked T'Chaka's mufasa mane habit
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: MindofShadow on December 01, 2017, 01:19:08 pm
Gotta have some regalness when not kicking ass.

Tchalla needs his cape or the lion head thing he likes when meeting namor
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: 4sake on December 01, 2017, 02:32:30 pm
Looks great, but Steve O should be "selling" that choke hold more..
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ezyo on December 01, 2017, 06:27:50 pm
Gotta have some regalness when not kicking ass.

Tchalla needs his cape or the lion head thing he likes when meeting namor

The cape would help, but I would also be good if his habit itself just looked more detailed then T'Chaka or Shuris. Make it more like the MCU Version with some detail and accents and make the helmet have some detail rather then just black face. I would also like him to sport that fly suit T'chadwick sports in the trailers
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on December 04, 2017, 07:59:23 pm
Will Marvel Phase Four include the introduction of the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU? Some news is circulating about Fox favoring Disney as a buyer for their studio and media assets.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/fox-is-said-to-favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/fox-is-said-to-favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets)

While this would mean a complete recasting of the Fantastic Four, technically speaking this class of X-Men is transferable.

(http://www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/04/xmenapocalypseimax.jpg)

For nostalgia sake it would be cool to see some of these heroes meet up.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81R4zCUztEL._SY679_.jpg)(https://saradobie.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/iron_man_movie_image_robert_downey_jr122.jpg)

(https://samekindofnerdyasme.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/02m9brd.png)(https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:scale/cb/9/b/3/a/0/1/9b3a018604edb068b5be67770b658c8a7cbca4ca2f209f7a858f35747d69eae9.jpg?mw=600)

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/c/c5/Fantastic-four-chris-evans-as-the-human-torch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110928043245)(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/cf/2c/1f/cf2c1f03e34dae2fa5241eac997d5a53--spiderman-movie-amazing-spiderman.jpg)

Re-purposing the MCU for their inclusion shouldn't be to complicated but it maybe anticlimactic. I think we may be nearing the end of the mega superhero crossover with Avengers Infinity Wars. However before we reach this conclusion let's not overlook the elephant in the room.

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/dcd5f0d8b4cdf8e9b9c95f130f9f7864/tumblr_o76m0qmo2N1rov369o1_1280.jpg)

So many questions, so many concerns. Can Shipp's acting stand up to Boseman's? Does Storm need to be recast? How does the damage done in the comics affect their MCU potential? Is it even necessary now that we have Nakia?
Title: Re: Black Panther #WORLD WAR WAKANDA - Prelude to War
Post by: Ture on December 04, 2017, 08:55:55 pm
What I can only guess are pages from the upcoming Rise of the Black Panther.
Art looks good. Not sure how I feel about the an Afrakan woman collaborating with the Nazis assuming such is true. I wonder if they are in South Africa or Wakanda reason being the woman reaction and the construction equipment. Really appreciate the goddess,Panther God and possibly an ancestor or deity picture.  Cap choke hold looks cover worthy. This may be just the thing to start countering the Coatesverse. Fingers crossed.


If you mean the woman in this pic:

([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP8RDFgWsAA5Emu.jpg[/url])

she's not African at all.  That's Warrior Woman of the Super-Axis:

[url]http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_%28Earth-616%29[/url] ([url]http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_%28Earth-616%29[/url])


I was hoping that was the case but the rendering through me off.


Will Marvel Phase Four include the introduction of the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU? Some news is circulating about Fox favoring Disney as a buyer for their studio and media assets.

[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/fox-is-said-to-favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets[/url] ([url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/fox-is-said-to-favor-disney-as-buyer-for-studio-media-assets[/url])

While this would mean a complete recasting of the Fantastic Four, technically speaking this class of X-Men is transferable.

([url]http://www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/04/xmenapocalypseimax.jpg[/url])

For nostalgia sake it would be cool to see some of these heroes meet up.

([url]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81R4zCUztEL._SY679_.jpg[/url])([url]https://saradobie.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/iron_man_movie_image_robert_downey_jr122.jpg[/url])

([url]https://samekindofnerdyasme.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/02m9brd.png[/url])([url]https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:scale/cb/9/b/3/a/0/1/9b3a018604edb068b5be67770b658c8a7cbca4ca2f209f7a858f35747d69eae9.jpg?mw=600[/url])

([url]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/c/c5/Fantastic-four-chris-evans-as-the-human-torch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110928043245[/url])([url]https://i.pinimg.com/564x/cf/2c/1f/cf2c1f03e34dae2fa5241eac997d5a53--spiderman-movie-amazing-spiderman.jpg[/url])

Re-purposing the MCU for their inclusion shouldn't be to complicated but it maybe anticlimactic. I think we may be nearing the end of the mega superhero crossover with Avengers Infinity Wars. However before we reach this conclusion let's not overlook the elephant in the room.

([url]https://67.media.tumblr.com/dcd5f0d8b4cdf8e9b9c95f130f9f7864/tumblr_o76m0qmo2N1rov369o1_1280.jpg[/url])

So many questions, so many concerns. Can Shipp's acting stand up to Boseman's? Does Storm need to be recast? How does the damage done in the comics affect their MCU potential? Is it even necessary now that we have Nakia?


Marvel has to be willing to invest the time necessary to develop T'Challa's and Ororo's relationship over several films to erase the stigma left by the comic books. This would mean Black Panther and sequel, T'Challa and company in two Avenger films and then a well written, well acted, well cast Black Panther and Storm saga. Title Panther's Storm. To be real smart about it they could do the Black Panther Storm saga Netflix style as the premiere show on Disney's new streaming service. #PANTHER'S STORM



Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 02:42:05 am
Or leave Storm out of it completely. We already have Nakia Nyong'o coming in 2018, we don't need Storm and her x baggage slinging itself onto the Mythos. I mean by the time she would even show up what is she going to add to the mythos? Honestly? All I see is a leech trying to ride the shine that is BP. Maybe if she gets some decent showings in her own franchise then there can be talk about cross over,
but I don't want the sane thing happening in the comics to happen on the mcu
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 04:48:41 am
If Disney bought X men AND wanted to actually make movies with them with full control (Disney isn't above licensing things out... they do it all the time)

they would burn the Foxmen with fire. Just lie they burned the Star Wars Expanded Universe with fire.

There would be a good chance they would let the Foxmen keep going and just collect the profits from Deadpool lol. Xmen don't lose money ala Justice League, they just aint super lucrative outside Deadpool atm.


and yeah, leave that woman out of this.

(i swear if this forum turned into CBR esque with the storm stanning you'll never see me again lol)
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 05, 2017, 05:11:19 am
As slow as the movie Universe moves, we'll have a new actor in the role of BP before they could get to their relationship.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 06:11:35 am
As slow as the movie Universe moves, we'll have a new actor in the role of BP before they could get to their relationship.

I thought T'chadwick was only like 37-38?
Bot that I want her in the BP verse anyways (not unless there was a HUGE editorial change that forced x writers to cut the bs) but he ain't that old I didn't think
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 05, 2017, 06:18:21 am
As slow as the movie Universe moves, we'll have a new actor in the role of BP before they could get to their relationship.

I thought T'chadwick was only like 37-38?
Bot that I want her in the BP verse anyways (not unless there was a HUGE editorial change that forced x writers to cut the bs) but he ain't that old I didn't think


Age isn't what I was think of; but how many movies he's contracted for.  No guarantee he would stay beyond his contract.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 07:05:57 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 07:41:47 am
Let's not job out the women of our mytho for one of theirs again.

I thought we learned our lession and were smarter better than that.

revamped Nakia and revamped Monica should be the priority.  And they can do a fanservice tease of that other woman in whatever big crossover event they have planned in the early 2020s.

Chadwick just turned 41 week or two ago.  He's not going away anytime soon.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 07:50:37 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 07:56:25 am
Let's not job out the women of our mytho for one of theirs again.

I thought we learned our lession and were smarter better than that.

revamped Nakia and revamped Monica should be the priority.  And they can do a fanservice tease of that other woman in whatever big crossover event they have planned in the early 2020s.

Chadwick just turned 41 week or two ago.  He's not going away anytime soon.

41 going on 28

dude doesn't crack lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 08:01:53 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

I only check CBR like once a week and I saw that and literally did this

(https://media.giphy.com/media/etfzQDfD0nSLu/giphy.gif)

and went back to treat some patients.

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 08:47:43 am
Let's not job out the women of our mytho for one of theirs again.

I thought we learned our lession and were smarter better than that.

revamped Nakia and revamped Monica should be the priority.  And they can do a fanservice tease of that other woman in whatever big crossover event they have planned in the early 2020s.

Chadwick just turned 41 week or two ago.  He's not going away anytime soon.

41 going on 28

dude doesn't crack lol

Thats the great thing, even when he does starting getting older, its not like people will notice. Sam Jackson is almost 70, but looks like he is in his 40s lol. I am constantly mistaking for my age and people think im alot younger then i actually am. Then on the flip side, if i went somewhere with my mom people think we are married.

Point being I bet T'Chadwick would still look the same now even when he is in his 60s lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 09:03:49 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?

I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this?   More cockroaches?

Sheeesh.  It ain't even been two weeks

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 09:12:57 am
Tell me y'all dealt with that fan's ignorance bc I made a half assed promise to avoid bashing the character if it could be helped, out of respect to one of the cooler storm fans who "gets it".

But all pacts will be void if this alleged reckless behavior continues
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: 4sake on December 05, 2017, 09:20:55 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?

I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this?   More cockroaches?

Sheeesh.  It ain't even been two weeks



They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die.  so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: 4sake on December 05, 2017, 09:21:55 am
Tell me y'all dealt with that fan's ignorance bc I made a half assed promise to avoid bashing the character if it could be helped, out of respect to one of the cooler storm fans who "gets it".

But all pacts will be void if this alleged reckless behavior continues

The brothers handled it & the storm only fans retreated for the time being
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 09:45:24 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?

I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this?   More cockroaches?

Sheeesh.  It ain't even been two weeks

Mos Gif perfectly explains just how stupid the posters posts came off. Like it was either some genius level trolling, or vast delusional/stupidity
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 11:20:44 am
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?

I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this?   More cockroaches?

Sheeesh.  It ain't even been two weeks



They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die.  so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..

I'm not sure I've ever ventured in there, out of respect (And not wanting a headache).  But sounds like there is no respect.  They better be careful, Valentine's weekend is coming up soon and it may be a cold one.  I'll bring the snow machine into that bitch.

I still remember people acting like Steve and Buck had to costar in BP's film to ensure success lmao. 

Methany and Namor can stay the he'll away too, I agree.

We need more black heroes to super team with BP.   I'll be keeping an eye on how they introduce Voodoo in Dictor Strange 2.  They better make him independent and not some inferior sidekick
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 11:30:41 am
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 12:11:59 pm
my only hope with Voodoo is that he has "cornered" some part of Magic that strange or even the AO may not know well.

So he is "superior" to Dr Strange in this one type of magic, even if Strange is the sorcerer supreme.

You already got Wong as the funny sidekick and hsi black sidekick just turned villain so.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 12:21:06 pm
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ture on December 05, 2017, 12:28:40 pm
This is everything we need in film and comic books.

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/9e357f8c460bf5db7b9a1cd0ab212f90/tumblr_orbdm86tCx1tf70vho9_400.gif)

This is the woman Black Panther deserves.

(http://youbentmywookie.com/wookie/gallery/0717_ew_blackpanther/mld-09530_r.jpg)

(https://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/articles/banners/152368.jpg)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/3ecba9ecaf1c0eba489d561b29fa2a1c/tumblr_otflyr3Blp1vikq2yo2_500.jpg)

NAKIA IS HERE. LONG MAY SHE REIGN!!!

(http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Black-Panther-Nakia-poster.jpg)

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 12:35:40 pm
my only hope with Voodoo is that he has "cornered" some part of Magic that strange or even the AO may not know well.

So he is "superior" to Dr Strange in this one type of magic, even if Strange is the sorcerer supreme.

You already got Wong as the funny sidekick and hsi black sidekick just turned villain so.

Voodoo could be a sleeper hit if they double down on the mystic and aesthetics of him being a witch doctor.  He definitely has to be portrayed like BP was to Cap in Civil War, and not like how Sam was to Cap in Winter Soldier. 

And get an actor who can pull off the haitian accent and be charismatic with it
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 12:38:50 pm
This is everything we need in film and comicbooks.
(https://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/articles/banners/152368.jpg)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/3ecba9ecaf1c0eba489d561b29fa2a1c/tumblr_otflyr3Blp1vikq2yo2_500.jpg)

All i see is irrefutable facts in this post.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ture on December 05, 2017, 12:44:46 pm
This is everything we need in film and comicbooks.
([url]https://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/articles/banners/152368.jpg[/url])

([url]https://78.media.tumblr.com/3ecba9ecaf1c0eba489d561b29fa2a1c/tumblr_otflyr3Blp1vikq2yo2_500.jpg[/url])


All i see is irrefutable facts in this post.



This is everything we need in film and comic books.

([url]https://68.media.tumblr.com/9e357f8c460bf5db7b9a1cd0ab212f90/tumblr_orbdm86tCx1tf70vho9_400.gif[/url])

This is the woman Black Panther deserves.

([url]http://youbentmywookie.com/wookie/gallery/0717_ew_blackpanther/mld-09530_r.jpg[/url])

([url]https://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/articles/banners/152368.jpg[/url])

([url]https://78.media.tumblr.com/3ecba9ecaf1c0eba489d561b29fa2a1c/tumblr_otflyr3Blp1vikq2yo2_500.jpg[/url])

NAKIA IS HERE. LONG MAY SHE REIGN!!!

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Aiming for that 300 mark but wasn't complete. How ya like her now?
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Amenra11 on December 05, 2017, 01:00:10 pm
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?

I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this?   More cockroaches?

Sheeesh.  It ain't even been two weeks



They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die.  so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..

I'm not sure I've ever ventured in there, out of respect (And not wanting a headache).  But sounds like there is no respect.  They better be careful, Valentine's weekend is coming up soon and it may be a cold one.  I'll bring the snow machine into that bitch.

I still remember people acting like Steve and Buck had to costar in BP's film to ensure success lmao. 

Methany and Namor can stay the he'll away too, I agree.

We need more black heroes to super team with BP.   I'll be keeping an eye on how they introduce Voodoo in Dictor Strange 2.  They better make him independent and not some inferior sidekick

Has it been confirmed that Voodoo will appear in Dr Strange?
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 01:27:46 pm
deal could be done next week....


i seriously can't stand her fans

this might break my fandom lol

There is one on the BP forum on the CBR that is especially delusional, saying things like get rid of lupita for the real queen m, and BP fans Should be prostrating Before storm because it was her "A Lister status" that gave T'Challa the popularity he had today... I can't make this isht up

Wait, someone is slandering Lupita?

I just took leave from that place after e-whooping xpac and murdock' s ass, and now you telling me this?   More cockroaches?

Sheeesh.  It ain't even been two weeks



They have been slandering her character in the storm appreciation thread.. a few of them are disappointed because they wanted her to play storm but now since she can't play storm they say that her character needs to die.  so she can either be recast at storm or another actress playing Storm storm can play her role in the myths as love interest in the flims.. its very interested to watch lol least they haven't got to the point where so of I wanting a lighter skin storm or to continue the trend of having a half white or mostly White actress play storm yet.. hardcore fan base is very toxic just like Steve Rogers just like Methany just like Namors & so on which is why I don't want any of them anywhere near BP in comics or films if it can be..

I'm not sure I've ever ventured in there, out of respect (And not wanting a headache).  But sounds like there is no respect.  They better be careful, Valentine's weekend is coming up soon and it may be a cold one.  I'll bring the snow machine into that bitch.

I still remember people acting like Steve and Buck had to costar in BP's film to ensure success lmao. 

Methany and Namor can stay the he'll away too, I agree.

We need more black heroes to super team with BP.   I'll be keeping an eye on how they introduce Voodoo in Dictor Strange 2.  They better make him independent and not some inferior sidekick

Has it been confirmed that Voodoo will appear in Dr Strange?

Nah.  I'm just going by the easter egg of his brother getting killed in the first movie. 

It would kinda suck if he didn't appear after that setup, imo
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 01:35:04 pm
So this "storm propelled T'challa" sh*t pissed me off


http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2017/12/black-panther-myth-storm-is-reason-for.html (http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2017/12/black-panther-myth-storm-is-reason-for.html)


summary for a really like article with lot sof numbers (tldr)

- Black Panther has had over 190 comics, Storm has had 29.
- During Storm's heydey in the 90's, she was not associated with Black Panther.
- Storm had nothing to do with Priest's run, which made T'challa a character capable of holding a long solo book.
- Storm, vol 2 used T'challa to boost its sales.
- The Marriage resulted in a one comic boost in sales only.
- The Marriage issue was the only time Storm ever increased BP sales. One issue.
- X-men: World's Apart used the Black Panther mythos.
- Not one time has there been a Black Panther story that spun out of the Storm mythos.
- The current rise of Black Panther's ability to sell came after the marriage and includes a solo book, multiple spin offs, a solo movie, and a cartoon.
- Storm has used Black Panther for a boost in her sales, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Shade on December 05, 2017, 01:58:30 pm
MOS do you mind if I post that article on the CBR BP thread? Greatly written.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ture on December 05, 2017, 02:02:43 pm
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NAKIA SAID... "YOU CHOOSE WHAT KIND OF KING YOU WILL BE."
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Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 05, 2017, 02:03:09 pm
I don't know why people are assuming the movie will follow the plot of the comics...

ANY of the comics...

Just because Disney MIGHT get the X-Men back?

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 02:11:58 pm
So this "storm propelled T'challa" sh*t pissed me off


[url]http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2017/12/black-panther-myth-storm-is-reason-for.html[/url] ([url]http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2017/12/black-panther-myth-storm-is-reason-for.html[/url])


summary for a really like article with lot sof numbers (tldr)

- Black Panther has had over 190 comics, Storm has had 29.
- During Storm's heydey in the 90's, she was not associated with Black Panther.
- Storm had nothing to do with Priest's run, which made T'challa a character capable of holding a long solo book.
- Storm, vol 2 used T'challa to boost its sales.
- The Marriage resulted in a one comic boost in sales only.
- The Marriage issue was the only time Storm ever increased BP sales. One issue.
- X-men: World's Apart used the Black Panther mythos.
- Not one time has there been a Black Panther story that spun out of the Storm mythos.
- The current rise of Black Panther's ability to sell came after the marriage and includes a solo book, multiple spin offs, a solo movie, and a cartoon.
- Storm has used Black Panther for a boost in her sales, not the other way around.

MOS do you mind if I post that article on the CBR BP thread? Greatly written.


You should post it in the BP/Storm thread too and just leave a smiley there.

That's what I would do.. well I'd probably also change my avi to that of Nakia and have a signature that says "The real Queen B of Wakanda ya'beach!", just so they know what time it is.

But i'm admittedly not one for decorum
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: BlindWedjat on December 05, 2017, 02:23:44 pm
I don't know why people are assuming the movie will follow the plot of the comics...

ANY of the comics...

Just because Disney MIGHT get the X-Men back?

I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 02:25:29 pm
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 05, 2017, 03:12:20 pm
I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful

I guess I've just got too much real-world anxiety to lose sleep about what MIGHT happen 3-4 movies down the road.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 03:13:20 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: mrkareemruiz on December 05, 2017, 04:20:46 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Disney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 04:23:17 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Disney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?

5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.

Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.

Congrats on ur achievement
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: mrkareemruiz on December 05, 2017, 04:37:01 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Disney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?

5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.

Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.

Congrats on ur achievement
If you're black and you hate someone calling out racism. You clearly don't like being black.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 04:39:42 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Disney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?

5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.

Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.

Congrats on ur achievement
If you're black and you hate someone calling out racism. You clearly don't like being black.

Ill wait for that quote too.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 05:38:17 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Disney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?

What is your deal dude, seriously, BP is the step in the right direction and breaking ground for Blacks in Media in general by having positive, powerful, and unapologetically Black showings. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Things Fall Apart on December 05, 2017, 06:03:23 pm
I haven't been on here in forever because I usually post from work and this site gets firewalled. 

These Storm stans on CBR today were clowns.  I don't even understand why they post in the Black Panther thread.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: 4sake on December 05, 2017, 06:06:39 pm
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever

One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 06:26:58 pm
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever

One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..

Lol ill fix tomorrow.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 06:28:14 pm
I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful

I guess I've just got too much real-world anxiety to lose sleep about what MIGHT happen 3-4 movies down the road.

Who here is "losing sleep" about it? ???
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 05, 2017, 06:29:03 pm
Im more worried about a possible bp sequel being pushed back to introduce everyone into mcu honestly
Disney "loves" black characters so much. Why would they push black panther 2 back?

5 posts in and ur my least fav dude here.

Ill wait for that quote where i saud they love black people tho.

Congrats on ur achievement
If you're black and you hate someone calling out racism. You clearly don't like being black.

Ill wait for that quote too.

What the hell is going on here?  ???
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2017, 06:36:53 pm
New guy be acting strange

I think it's just more of a worry. I feel as though we'd get less of it. But maybe I'm just being hopeful

I guess I've just got too much real-world anxiety to lose sleep about what MIGHT happen 3-4 movies down the road.

More so BP fans be tired of Storm always trying to play ride along and are tired of the x franchise and don't want them to take over the MCU with their push
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Things Fall Apart on December 06, 2017, 04:30:02 am
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever

One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..

It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 04:46:10 am
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever

One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..

It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.

A shuri lead book had 12....

lulz

i fixed the post.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Things Fall Apart on December 06, 2017, 06:01:29 am
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever

One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..

It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.

A shuri lead book had 12....

lulz

i fixed the post.

I pointed that out and Butterfly shook all the salt from herself that she could muster and told me that my attempts at being clever were delusional and that I was beneath her attention...

Over the course of multiple paragraphs, in multiple posts, which she edited multiple times.  You know, because I'm not worth her time.

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 06, 2017, 07:47:26 am
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 09:03:20 am
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.

Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS

and a totally different type of film

There are natural action set pieces built in

- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1

while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3

mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 06, 2017, 09:37:09 am
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.

Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS

and a totally different type of film

There are natural action set pieces built in

- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1

while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3

mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)

I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie.  I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura. 

Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable.  There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next.  And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise.  Minus the specific details
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 06, 2017, 10:27:32 am
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.

Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS

and a totally different type of film

There are natural action set pieces built in

- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1

while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3

mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)

There are a few BP stories I would love to see.
Strum und Drang is knee of them for sure I would love to see
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 11:11:21 am
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.

Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS

and a totally different type of film

There are natural action set pieces built in

- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1

while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3

mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)

I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie.  I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura. 

Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable.  There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next.  And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise.  Minus the specific details


extra unpredictable since a SWAD/invasion story is out after Infinity War. Can't really beat a Black Order invasion lol.

"coming for the throne" using M'baku seems unlikely because its too similar to Killmonger.

And thats all his rogues LOL. There is always the Malice (why isn't nakia in infinity war...) route with Achebe but... eh

I am still thinking its gonna be namor/atlantis related. except you need a 3rd party manipulating things to act as the "big bad" in the end. Unless they go full villain with Namor of course.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 06, 2017, 11:34:04 am
Anything on the blog can be posted wherever

One note Brother Moss, Strom solo by Greg Pak only lasted 11 issues not 14 issues.. But other than that great write up..

It's too bad it wasn't 14. Like I said in the other forum; she'd get a nice #15 "Legacy" relaunch.

A shuri lead book had 12....

lulz

i fixed the post.

I pointed that out and Butterfly shook all the salt from herself that she could muster and told me that my attempts at being clever were delusional and that I was beneath her attention...

Over the course of multiple paragraphs, in multiple posts, which she edited multiple times.  You know, because I'm not worth her time.

Not gonna lie, it's pretty funny watching it unfold, especially this last post you made to them lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 12:05:41 pm
I mean, i don't peruse that board anymore but... don't they have a storm thread and a storm/bp thread they could be showering praise on storm willy nilly with no pushback?
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 06, 2017, 12:24:50 pm
I honestly didn't plan on humoring CBR again until the week after valentine's weekend (give myself a week to soak in the initial excellence of blackness unhindered... before undertaking a two-week troll the trolls campaign that would have me at my most insufferable and smug.  It'll make the rape culture wars of last month look like slap boxing.

My only fear is in 2 months, I wouldn't care enough about pouring more sh*t on that sh*t hole forum.  But then i give it more thought and i'm, who am i kidding.  I'm gon dookie on them so bad that i'll finally join the elite class of banned HEF'ers  8)

 
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 06, 2017, 12:43:59 pm
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.

Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS

and a totally different type of film

There are natural action set pieces built in

- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1

while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3

mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)

I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie.  I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura. 

Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable.  There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next.  And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise.  Minus the specific details


extra unpredictable since a SWAD/invasion story is out after Infinity War. Can't really beat a Black Order invasion lol.

"coming for the throne" using M'baku seems unlikely because its too similar to Killmonger.

And thats all his rogues LOL. There is always the Malice (why isn't nakia in infinity war...) route with Achebe but... eh

I am still thinking its gonna be namor/atlantis related. except you need a 3rd party manipulating things to act as the "big bad" in the end. Unless they go full villain with Namor of course.

That's going to be the underlining issue coming up.  The whole "coup d'etat" is played out after the first time you do it, and Thrillmonger already got first dibs on that. And so, M'Baku, Tetu, Achebe... yawn.  Now, a slightly re-purposed Achebe with that Keith Ledger Joker vibe... that could be something.  Although I guess that vibe would be more of a Mephisto vibe, who is someone i think should be a big bad; the or a manipulator of something.  Just don't know how kid-friendly showing devils on screen would be for mickey tho and might be too abstract for BP to punch outside of that one time. 
Maybe Namor, though that'd be a lot going on depending on when they would introduce him.  And typically the first 2 solo movies seem more self-contained, with the 3rd film being the one where it's guest appearances and f*ckery galore.  Outside of IM 3, which was just Tony and a kid talking.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Things Fall Apart on December 06, 2017, 12:59:11 pm
I mean, i don't peruse that board anymore but... don't they have a storm thread and a storm/bp thread they could be showering praise on storm willy nilly with no pushback?

I've also pointed that out multiple times.

I don't really care for Storm as a character all that much, but I'm not going to lie, 90% of what I say on the BP THREAD about Storm is just trolling Storm (only) fans for not staying in their lanes.

I don't pop in the pro marriage threads or the Storm threads to troll, because... why would I?
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Things Fall Apart on December 06, 2017, 01:00:59 pm
The only thing I'm looking forward to in the comics side is Rise of the Black Panther.  I've got high hopes for it and if it pops I'd love to have someone do a follow up to Flags of our Fathers.

Maybe do a Secret Invaders story.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 01:02:46 pm
That toxic woman aside,

It is unbelievable that Marvel may be days away from getting all their movie properties back, or usable in one big sandbox with the Spiderman/Hulk/Namor complications notwithstanding. 

The fantastic four seemed "possible" but the xmen seemed unthinkable given how profitable it was.  But now here everything is on the table.

i guess 60 billion changes a lot of minds lol

The Lupita slander talk distracted me from finishing this conversation.

I just want to see Black Panther kick Dr. Doom and Wolverine's ass.

Ok, now I'm done.

Sturm un drang on film would be AMAZEBALLS

and a totally different type of film

There are natural action set pieces built in

- T'challa can beat up some lemurians going after the child
- T'challa and Namor fight and at the same time, Wakanda/Atlantis/Lemurian underwater naval battle
- T'challa fighting a reborn Green Lantern esque Klaw who died/evaporated in BP 1

while the meeting of kings and the tension builds throughout the movie as the world prepares for WW3

mostly just have to replace Ross's role (and i guess Klaw if you really want to)

I am curious on how they handle Klaw after this movie.  I figure there's a 75% chance he goes through his DBZ transformation to be how he is in comics today, minus the jobber aura. 

Really, Black Panther 2 is going to be so unpredictable.  There's so much f*ckery and moving parts that , outside of a Monica Lynne appearance, I have no idea what they could be going for next.  And that's with me (and all of us) pretty much knowing how this first film is essentially going to play out plot wise.  Minus the specific details


extra unpredictable since a SWAD/invasion story is out after Infinity War. Can't really beat a Black Order invasion lol.

"coming for the throne" using M'baku seems unlikely because its too similar to Killmonger.

And thats all his rogues LOL. There is always the Malice (why isn't nakia in infinity war...) route with Achebe but... eh

I am still thinking its gonna be namor/atlantis related. except you need a 3rd party manipulating things to act as the "big bad" in the end. Unless they go full villain with Namor of course.

That's going to be the underlining issue coming up.  The whole "coup d'etat" is played out after the first time you do it, and Thrillmonger already got first dibs on that. And so, M'Baku, Tetu, Achebe... yawn.  Now, a slightly re-purposed Achebe with that Keith Ledger Joker vibe... that could be something.  Although I guess that vibe would be more of a Mephisto vibe, who is someone i think should be a big bad; the or a manipulator of something.  Just don't know how kid-friendly showing devils on screen would be for mickey tho and might be too abstract for BP to punch outside of that one time. 
Maybe Namor, though that'd be a lot going on depending on when they would introduce him.  And typically the first 2 solo movies seem more self-contained, with the 3rd film being the one where it's guest appearances and f*ckery galore.  Outside of IM 3, which was just Tony and a kid talking.

yeah, achebe would just have to be someone who wants to see the world (wakanda) burn. He doesn't want the thrown, he just wants to see T'challa and the royal family suffer.

He could possibly be Nigandan who feels slighted that he doesn't get to be a special Wakandan. He is the one that finds and twists Nakia and turns her evil just to get back at T'challa. He'd have to be a terrorist with no real goal or motivation.

But... how can you out Joker the Joker though? gets a bit hairy.



Mephisto would work the best. I can't believe I forgot about him. He doesn't want the throne, doesn't want Wakanda, he wants T'challa soul. Hell, he could be behind the mistaken Namor v T'challa fight if need be.

The ending/third action could be just like priest... T'challa bursts in, one hitter quitter, rips his heart out, mephisto just laughs and teleports him to his domain. Ending is just like priest... T'challa offers him his soul, but it comes with a catch, as the panther spirits (or hell Bast if you want) rip him to shreds.

It could work... it would be different. but yeah... idk how the devil imagery and spirits and sh*t work with china (or dumb americans). hmmmm
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 01:08:56 pm
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Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 06, 2017, 04:13:19 pm
Courtesy of UltimateTy from CBR:

Quote from: UltimateTy
Marvel.com did an interview with Priest, Mcgregor and Hudlin on the BP Annual
https://news.marvel.com/comics/81634/black-panther-return-macks/?linkId=45590849 (https://news.marvel.com/comics/81634/black-panther-return-macks/?linkId=45590849)

Hudlin mentions the conversation we had with him months ago
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 06, 2017, 04:18:57 pm
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T’Challa’s, like, the last noble man on earth. I am by no means anywhere near that noble, but I aspire to be well, if not good, at least as good as I personally can manage. That’s the best any of us can do. Dude: be as good as you personally can manage. Eat your vegetables. Do your best. Keep your word.

Never change, Priest.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 05:12:24 pm
It feels weird to read three guys talk about tchalla... positively.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Mortal Man on December 06, 2017, 06:27:05 pm
It feels weird to read three guys talk about tchalla... positively.

GOAT avi.

I'm kinda jealous
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 06, 2017, 06:33:13 pm
It feels weird to read three guys talk about tchalla... positively.

GOAT avi.

I'm kinda jealous

I have too much time on my hands sometimes lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ezyo on December 06, 2017, 06:53:29 pm
it seems do foreign that naby people talking about the real Tchalla or how Hudlin talks about how disgusted he was when he saw early drafts that were an insult to the mythos. Yet Coates takes those and eats then up 
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Things Fall Apart on December 07, 2017, 05:13:08 am
I wish Marvel would let each of these three and Liss do an OGN.

The let Starlin do three and several monthly mini series about Thanos, so why not let BP get some shine now that he's about to be A list.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: MindofShadow on December 07, 2017, 05:38:02 am
I wish Marvel would let each of these three and Liss do an OGN.

The let Starlin do three and several monthly mini series about Thanos, so why not let BP get some shine now that he's about to be A list.

Priest seems to be doing bigger things since he got ahold of Deathstroke and Justice League

Hudlin has movie estuff and 15 milestone comics lol

They likely aren't even interested :(

I wish Liss got in on this annual... i wouldn't mind seeing Sonja and T'challa team up for some street shenannigans again. Typhoid Mary likely needs knocked the f*ck out again lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ture on December 07, 2017, 08:09:28 am
I wish Marvel would let each of these three and Liss do an OGN.

The let Starlin do three and several monthly mini series about Thanos, so why not let BP get some shine now that he's about to be A list.

Priest seems to be doing bigger things since he got ahold of Deathstroke and Justice League

Hudlin has movie estuff and 15 milestone comics lol

They likely aren't even interested :(

I wish Liss got in on this annual... i wouldn't mind seeing Sonja and T'challa team up for some street shenannigans again. Typhoid Mary likely needs knocked the f*ck out again lol

There is nothing bigger than the Black Panther, nothing, especially not Deathstroke and Justice League. ;)

As far as Hudlin is concerned see my next post.

Oh they are interested... the annual is them testing the waters.
:-X
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Ture on December 07, 2017, 08:12:28 am
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Don McGregor, the foundation-building scribe behind stories like “Panther’s Rage,” teams up with artist Daniel Acuna for a tale that takes King T’Challa out of Wakanda and onto the streets of New York for a gripping mission. Then, former BLACK PANTHER writer Christopher Priest will be joined by artist Mike Perkins for a story starring friend of Wakanda Everett K. Ross. And last but not least,[Reginald Hudlin], the man behind “Who is The Black Panther?” and the director the recent film “Marshall”—starring the MCU’s T’Challa himself, Chadwick Boseman—will reunite with artist Ken Lashley for a sequel of sorts to their classic, “Black To The Future!”

Hudlin's concept excites me the most; I hope Priest doesn't squander precious BP panel time in favor of Ross; I wonder if McGregor will come off somewhat dated.

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Don McGregor: I had to research everything that would create the intricate details of Wakanda. Jack [Kirby] and Stan [Lee] had established it, but it was more a concept in those early stories,

This statement was most telling. While McGregor in fact did expand on Lee and Kirby's concept of Wakanda, he gave little evidence of its futurity. He definitely expanded the rogues gallery but left T'Challa little more than a weaponless, Olympic level athlete in spandex. Priest and Hudlin contributed heavily in building up Wakanda as a technologically advanced, unconquered nation; and perfected the Black Panther as a genius master strategist with advanced planning and a cache of offensive and defensive capabilities.

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Reginald Hudlin: He’s the African equivalent of Captain America. In the same way Cap embodies all that is good about America, The Panther symbolizes all that is great about Africa.

Hudlin gave the best answers in the interview.

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Reginald Hudlin: Some fans on my web site asked me what story I would write if I ever came back to the character. There are a few I have in mind, but my favorite is a big epic story called World War Wakanda. It would be one of the big companywide crossovers. I only had six pages to tell my story, so I did an epilogue where you get glimpses of the result of the story  It also functions as a follow up to the “Black to The Future” story I wrote for the very first BLACK PANTHER ANNUAL.

We got a shout out. Not to mention, it was publicly stated that he wants to do World War Wakanda. With Black Panther's current momentum and assuming Hudlin nails the annual I think there is a strong possibility of World War Wakanda coming to fruition.


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Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - #PANTHER'S STORM
Post by: Booshman on December 08, 2017, 01:32:54 am
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Yooooo! Hahahaha! I was wondering what your avatar was!

That....that is perfect!
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 13, 2017, 10:31:12 pm
One Night Only: PRIEST Returns to BLACK PANTHER (and EVERETT K. ROSS) With 2018 Annual

By Chris Arrant, Editor  December 13, 2017

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Christopher Priest helped make a name for himself in comic books with his unconventional but seminal run on Black Panther under the Marvel Knights imprint, and on the twentieth anniversary of that work he's returning for one last story - but it's not starring Black Panther.

Priest returns in February 21's Black Panther Annual #1 with a 12-page story about Everett K. Ross, whom the writer has framed as the actual star of his 1998-2003 run - and who is now played on film by Martin Freeman. Priest's new story will be drawn by Mike Perkins, and if you remember Priest's Black Panther we can assure you that his new story is just as humorous.

Newsarama spoke with Priest about this return - 15 years since he signed off on Black Panther - and the larger picture of the franchise and, of course, the film.

Newsarama: Priest, your Black Panther Annual #1 story features Everett K. Ross. What's it like revisiting him?

Christopher Priest: Like dropping in on your cousin Kenny, whom you haven’t seen in a bunch of years. Past the hugs at the door, you don’t know what to say. “So... how’s it goin’?”

My Black Panther run really wasn’t about Black Panther. It was about Ross. It was about exploding myths about black superheroes, black characters and black people, targeted specifically at a white male-dominated retailer base. I wanted Ross to be the voice of the skeptical fan who, for years, kind of took this character for granted - the guy in the black suit standing in the back of the Avengers class photo. I was nervous about writing the character in the first place unless I could reimagine him as more capable and more dangerous; a guy who more than earns his seat at the table. I needed Ross to help guide the reader along that transition.

Okay, so skip ahead 20 years and now the current fanbase has no idea what I’m talking about. Most current Panther fans only know him as this technological savant and incredibly capable (if manipulative) protagonist. Few, if any, remember the years where Panther was taken completely for granted, or the Marvel Knights launch where fans all but picketed Central Park South in protest because I gave Panther an iPhone. It’s hard to remember that - a broad range of fans literally outraged that we made Panther’s costume bullet-proof and gave him a Kimoyo Card. “How daaaare you?!?!”

So, what do we do with Ross, now? How does Ross serve a series in this context where he no longer represents fan expectations? That was a tough question for me. Ultimately, I told myself, “Eh, it’s just eight pages,” and just had fun with it.

Nrama: What can you say about the story?

Priest: It was eight pages. Then it was 12.

Nrama: [Laughs]

Priest: The basic plot is a Wakandan diplomat, who was delivering proprietary Wakandan technology to the United States is found murdered, and Panther is suspected of having done it. So, the cops turn to Ross to help them with their case, and hilarity ensues.

Nrama: What do you think of Martin Freeman playing Everett K. Ross in the movies?

Priest: I’m thrilled! Freeman is hilarious. However, so far as I have seen (“The story thus far...”), the movie Ross bears little resemblance to the comic book Ross, which concerns me a little in that the film may not be making the best use of Freeman’s amazing gifts.

Humor was key to our Panther run. Rather than go blaxploitation (70’s Luke Cage, Brother Voodoo) or Liberal Guilt (the epidemic of black supporting characters strapping on the main hero’s costume - I mean, stop it. Stop it now), I believe we successfully rehabilitated the Panther in Marvel’s pantheon by back-dooring core concepts through humor. Credit for that goes to Joe Quesada and Jimmy Palmiotti. My first draft of Marvel Knights Black Panther was not funny at all. They smartly rejected the entire script and counseled me to inject liberal does of humor into very serious subject matter. Add water and stir.

Nrama: This is a small story, but could you see yourself doing more Black Panther stories down the line?

Priest: No. [Laughs] No, no, no. I sent T’Challa into outer space once. Black Panther In Outer Space. That’s jump-the-shark territory, dude. No, T’Challa belongs to a new generation of brilliant writers like Ta-Nehisi Coates. I’m a fan.

Nrama: Let’s talk about that – what’s your impressions of Coates’ Black Panther run so far?

Priest: I’ve read some of it and think it’s brilliant and uniquely his own. Glad new writers are finding their own voice with the character while, especially in Mr. Coates’ case, writing important stories and reminding us of how powerful a vehicle comic books can be for social change.

However, full disclosure, I don’t read comics. I’m like an actor who obnoxiously says he doesn’t watch his own TV show. It is extremely rare for me to read my own comics and have asked publishers to please stop sending them to me. When you write comics all day every day, the last thing you want to do to relax is read comics.

I want to be a novelist when I grow up. Shameless plug: christopherpriest.com/amazon is where you can find my novels. DC hired me to write a trio of Green Lantern prose novels and I just got hooked on it. But it’s hard to translate a career in comics into that ultra-competitive publishing forum where nobody knows who I am. I am currently engaged to write a novella for Lion Forge Comics and have plans to co-write a novel for Milestone Media with my friend Reginald Hudlin.

Meanwhile, exciting new things are breaking here at Marvel that I hope to be a part of in 2018, so stay tuned!

Nrama: Even with what you said before, any loose Black Panther ideas come to you since you last wrote him?

Priest: No. Seriously. If I was assigned that book, I’d have no idea what to do.

Nrama: [Laughs] Had to ask. Sorry about that…

Priest: Besides that, I’m so happy DC is letting me write white characters. Thank you thank you thank you thank you Dan DiDio and Jim Lee and Bob Harras and God bless us everyone!! People keep asking why I stopped writing comics. I stopped writing comics because all I was being offered were black characters. Now I’m writing Justice League. Doesn’t get any whiter than that. [Laughs] (Thanks also to Marvel, of course -  although I’m not sure if the Inhumans actually count - I mean, they’re Inhuman!, and, thankfully, well beyond issues like race or sexual orientation).

It’s just really nice to be competitive again, to be a writer again, as opposed to being a “black writer,” whatever that means.

Nrama: What are your thoughts on the upcoming Black Panther movie?

Priest: The film looks utterly amazing. I was on the Wakanda location with Chadwick Boseman and Lupita Nyong’o, and the scale here is amazing. This will likely be the biggest film with a majority-black cast ever made - and it’s a superhero movie!! One (hopefully, please, please) with my name somewhere in the thousands of credits. It’s just, thus far, I’ve seen no humor in it. I have to believe there must be some, I mean, why hire Freeman, for one example. But I hope the film does not take itself so seriously or preach so hard that it alienates or divides rather than does what is essential for the film, the character, and, frankly, a politically polarized America.

We, America, have to move past the ideology - the tribalism that grips this country. As ridiculous as this sounds, I believe Black Panther, the film, could help us do that if it addresses issues of tribal polarization and, by extension, racism, xenophobia and homophobia in an entertaining, non-preachy way. I told Kevin Feige on set, “Look a’here: you have to understand this is so much more than just the next Marvel superhero movie. Not just Panther fans - All of Black America is watching you on this thing. Don’t blow it.” Somewhere, in all of that amazing, glorious eye candy, there’s got to be a joke. Martin: we’re counting on you. Oh, gosh, please be funny.




So disappointing. How he managed to write such a definitive and good Black Panther is beyond me. He is definitely not the writer BP needs going forward. I could say more but the man speaks for himself. Whoa.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 14, 2017, 03:23:08 am
I'm not surprised,  he has said this much already more or less. He doesn't want to be labeled as a black writer in the Sense that he can only write Black Characters. J don't think he is saying it in SD much as an insulting way as it sounds. More so that he doesn't want to be  simply  the token Black guy they go to when Marvel or DC decide they need a diversity push m he said the same thing when DC hired him they wanted him on cyborg or something and he said no, because once he was out there he would just get every Black Character. Which isn't bad to write Black Characters x but I could see why from a professional stand point x how your being limited non job aspect's. Especially given priest writes ad well or Better then 95% of writers out there.

But Ultimately, this isn't anything new I'm sure if he did get assigned Black panther he would figure something out and he would do a good job. Bit I think Hudlin would be my first pick in writing a new ongoing simply because he loves writing BP, and he does have stories to tell still as he has said as much
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 14, 2017, 04:53:23 am
its because he is a professional, ficitional, super hero comic writer. He was just doing his job.



"Write this character"

Priest: I dont really like or want to

"i dont care, write the character"

Priest: okey doke time to go to work.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 14, 2017, 05:10:40 am
Interesting, he thought BP in space as a "jumping the shark" moment.  (Not sure why?)
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 14, 2017, 05:16:16 am
Most of what Priest is saying there makes a lot of sense, and I get why he would want to write other characters and not be pigeonholed...but geeze...his gleeful "thankfulness" towards the DC editors letting him write white characters is embarassing...like dude, calm down.

Frankly, I'd love to see a new, competent writer take on T'Challa since Priest is no longer interested and though I respected his ideas, was not the biggest fan of Hudlin's take. For instance, I'd LOVE to see what Tom King, who is doing amazing work on Batman and other books like Mister Miracle, would do with T'Challa.

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 14, 2017, 05:27:47 am
Interesting, he thought BP in space as a "jumping the shark" moment.  (Not sure why?)

I personally dislike BP in space, its been my least favorite stories
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 14, 2017, 05:46:47 am
Most of what Priest is saying there makes a lot of sense, and I get why he would want to write other characters and not be pigeonholed...but geeze...his gleeful "thankfulness" towards the DC editors letting him write white characters is embarassing...like dude, calm down.

Frankly, I'd love to see a new, competent writer take on T'Challa since Priest is no longer interested and though I respected his ideas, was not the biggest fan of Hudlin's take. For instance, I'd LOVE to see what Tom King, who is doing amazing work on Batman and other books like Mister Miracle, would do with T'Challa.

I would take anyone that has written comic books before.

literally

i am kind of sick of BP being used as a learning platform for journalists. Get the growing pains out on Morbius or Spitfire or some other Z lister. Not Black Panther
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 14, 2017, 05:56:11 am
Its a tale of two writers. Lol

Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.

His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.

The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.

Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 14, 2017, 07:35:01 am
Didn't care much for the interview.

Don't care much for the focus on Ross.

Didn't care for the obsession to write white characters.

I've never read a comic interview where a writer bashed another writer's work when asked about it.  But this pattern of using qualifiers like 'i read some of it', 'however i don't really read comics' and abstract praise for writers finding a new voice for the character rather than talking about that voice with the same energy you did when it came to the Russos' interpretation in Civil War.. i didn't care much for that either.

He bashed the Russo's casting of T'Chaka in Civil War b/c buddy didn't look like he could bench 315lbs, and bashed em for how T'Challa didn't all but declare war after buddy's death.  But I'm sure the Russos were just being brilliant and uniquely their own as well.

He certainly snapped me out of the nostalgia i had going into the annual.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 14, 2017, 07:42:48 am
Priest has been like this for awhile. And a lot of his isms seem to have been amplified since he has been "back."

and yeah... he may be talking nice about MCU T'challa now but he straight up went after the Civil War version, which while ultimately controlled by the Russos, Coogler was heavily involved in T'challa's part.

He tends to float into variations of "get off my lawn" and "I need approval" very often in interviews.

It doesn't affect my enjoyment of Priest's run because Priest has always bene like this lol.

But, there has only been one single writer of T'challa that was ride and die with T'challa and that was Hudlin. People may not talk as highly about his run as others and may dislike it 100% (which is fine, different strokes ect), but you cannot argue that he didn't ride or die with TCHALLA. no other writer can say that (well maybe liss but he didn't have the power to do anything about it lol)
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Amenra11 on December 14, 2017, 08:24:28 am
Its a tale of two writers. Lol

Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.

His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.

The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.

Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.

Anyone have a link ? Thanks!
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 14, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Didn't care much for the interview.

Don't care much for the focus on Ross.

Didn't care for the obsession to write white characters.

I've never read a comic interview where a writer bashed another writer's work when asked about it.  But this pattern of using qualifiers like 'i read some of it', 'however i don't really read comics' and abstract praise for writers finding a new voice for the character rather than talking about that voice with the same energy you did when it came to the Russos' interpretation in Civil War.. i didn't care much for that either.

He bashed the Russo's casting of T'Chaka in Civil War b/c buddy didn't look like he could bench 315lbs, and bashed em for how T'Challa didn't all but declare war after buddy's death.  But I'm sure the Russos were just being brilliant and uniquely their own as well.

He certainly snapped me out of the nostalgia i had going into the annual.

Can't be better said... CJP is a great writer probably one of the greatest writers ( not just comics) of all time, but when it's come to contacts on how and how not black characters should be treated he misses the mark in long run but not in short run..
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 14, 2017, 08:37:32 am
Its a tale of two writers. Lol

Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.

His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.

The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.

Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.

Very true....
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 14, 2017, 08:53:55 am
Its a tale of two writers. Lol

Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.

His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.

The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.

Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.


Anyone have a link ? Thanks!


http://www.amc.com/shows/robert-kirkmans-secret-history-of-comics (http://www.amc.com/shows/robert-kirkmans-secret-history-of-comics)

It is episode 5. You need cable signing creditials to watch on the websites or app. Might be available on YouTube by now though.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 14, 2017, 10:21:33 am
Priest has been like this for awhile. And a lot of his isms seem to have been amplified since he has been "back."

and yeah... he may be talking nice about MCU T'challa now but he straight up went after the Civil War version, which while ultimately controlled by the Russos, Coogler was heavily involved in T'challa's part.

He tends to float into variations of "get off my lawn" and "I need approval" very often in interviews.

It doesn't affect my enjoyment of Priest's run because Priest has always bene like this lol.

But, there has only been one single writer of T'challa that was ride and die with T'challa and that was Hudlin. People may not talk as highly about his run as others and may dislike it 100% (which is fine, different strokes ect), but you cannot argue that he didn't ride or die with TCHALLA. no other writer can say that (well maybe liss but he didn't have the power to do anything about it lol)

Hit the nail on the head with this. Honestly,
as I said earlier, priest would respect and write a good Bp if he came back, o know this already, even if in the interview he says he does not know what he would do.. he does, he just doesn't want to then be out into only writing Black Characters. Which is whatever if he doesn't. If I were writing comics I wouldn't care,  I personally would like to write BP and an Avengers World style Ultimates team And redo the line up a little and have Tchalla being the true leader and not the one who lacks star power..

But point being, I really hate how folks always say Priest I'd underrated and doesn't get the respect he deserves while not mentioning Hudlin. Dude went rode with Tchalla, he  put him on the map, he had him interacting heavily with the rest of the MU, he made Priest get the recognition he deserves for his Run.. and both one gives him his props and frankly that's bullisht. Hudlin Is a real MVP just like Priest and I would 100% want him to finish up his stories. There is a Reason he had the most successful BP run to date..
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Amenra11 on December 14, 2017, 11:55:24 am
Its a tale of two writers. Lol

Priest tries to be color blind, but when you read his work, it doesn't come across as that. Coates tries to be pro-black, but his work doesn't come across as that.

His prise of Coates work is the standard line I hear from writers. Notice he doest really say its good, he says he likes that its his own thing. And if you only read some of Coates work, you can cobble together something good. lol. His writing isn't bad its characterization that's the problem.

The Milestone documentary was an eye opener to what it was like for creators like him during his main writing years.

Since he is working with LionForge and new Milestone, seems like he wants to be a writer who can cross all demographics.


Anyone have a link ? Thanks!


[url]http://www.amc.com/shows/robert-kirkmans-secret-history-of-comics[/url] ([url]http://www.amc.com/shows/robert-kirkmans-secret-history-of-comics[/url])

It is episode 5. You need cable signing creditials to watch on the websites or app. Might be available on YouTube by now though.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 14, 2017, 12:49:56 pm
Priest has been like this for awhile. And a lot of his isms seem to have been amplified since he has been "back."

and yeah... he may be talking nice about MCU T'challa now but he straight up went after the Civil War version, which while ultimately controlled by the Russos, Coogler was heavily involved in T'challa's part.

He tends to float into variations of "get off my lawn" and "I need approval" very often in interviews.

It doesn't affect my enjoyment of Priest's run because Priest has always bene like this lol.

But, there has only been one single writer of T'challa that was ride and die with T'challa and that was Hudlin. People may not talk as highly about his run as others and may dislike it 100% (which is fine, different strokes ect), but you cannot argue that he didn't ride or die with TCHALLA. no other writer can say that (well maybe liss but he didn't have the power to do anything about it lol)

Hit the nail on the head with this. Honestly,
as I said earlier, priest would respect and write a good Bp if he came back, o know this already, even if in the interview he says he does not know what he would do.. he does, he just doesn't want to then be out into only writing Black Characters. Which is whatever if he doesn't. If I were writing comics I wouldn't care,  I personally would like to write BP and an Avengers World style Ultimates team And redo the line up a little and have Tchalla being the true leader and not the one who lacks star power..

But point being, I really hate how folks always say Priest I'd underrated and doesn't get the respect he deserves while not mentioning Hudlin. Dude went rode with Tchalla, he  put him on the map, he had him interacting heavily with the rest of the MU, he made Priest get the recognition he deserves for his Run.. and both one gives him his props and frankly that's bullisht. Hudlin Is a real MVP just like Priest and I would 100% want him to finish up his stories. There is a Reason he had the most successful BP run to date..



Absolutely on point and true. Nothing to add.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 14, 2017, 10:41:09 pm
Regarding Priest's statements I'm not surprised either. It is as I said, just utter disappointment. Since 1998 most of what I've read coming from Priest himself commentary and interview wise has been simultaneously deprecating to black characters and obsequious to the industry itself... the "white part to be specific.

How utterly ridiculous to read a black man saying he doesn't want to write black characters. Let's face facts his being the token is unavoidable. White writers have been getting just white characters to write since Afrakans invented writing. Yellow writers have been scribing just yellow characters since the Zhou Dynasty. Priest wrote Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Deathstroke, JLA, Deadpool, Captain America, Iron Fist, Green Lantern, Thor, Conan, Ka Zar.... he wrote a whole bunch of white characters. It may be argued he wrote just as many if not more white characters than black. And the one character he is most respected for is the character he didn't want to write because of his skin color. That says something.

He maybe professional but his credentials as a self respecting black comic book writer may come into question. If he wants to write white characters then do so but he doesn't have to be condescending about black characters to make that request. That makes no sense.


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i am kind of sick of BP being used as a learning platform for journalists. Get the growing pains out on Morbius or Spitfire or some other Z lister. Not Black Panther    MindofShadow
Agreed. Hire someone who knows how to write and in this particular case is well informed about Afrakan autonomy and Afro-Futurism and not apprehensive about expressing it.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 15, 2017, 02:57:33 am
I don't think that the case though, on the interview he also said he is doing some work in milestone with Hudlin. So it not that he doesn't want to write Black Characters but from Marvel or DC, he doesn't only want to be given Black Characters when they decide they need a Black Character push. He did the same thing at DC when they offered him cyborg. I think this quote for he CBR explains decently:

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I think CP's situation is a little unique. Keep in mind that a generation ago Priest was writing stories for Marvel/DC A-List characters, but after BP, all they offered him was black characters as if all of a sudden he couldn't do anything else. So, I kind of get him being a little salty. It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus.


As for T'Challa and people using his mythos as a stepping stool for new writers or boosting franchises.. Put Hudlin on there. He Rides or dies for T'Challa, and he has stories to tell, and he is an experienced writer and he will give us a guaranteed  unapologetic Black panther that has been missing since he left the series so long ago
 
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 15, 2017, 04:50:50 am
What Ezyo said, plus I'd like to add on that writing "white" characters in a main book like the ones listed isn't the same as being given those characters' actual books to take steward of.  Priest from what I know has never been given Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, Batman, or others listed to take actual steward of.  (Iron Fist yeah, but through Cage by way of proxy) I think his over zealous attitude and how he conveys his "thankfulness" is over the top and embarrasing...but I'd understand his frustration after having wanted years to take the helm of BATMAN or JLA and they just follow the same pattern by offering him CYBORG.  Now he has the top team book at DC.  I'd love to see him take on the Avengers title with Panther and Iron Man as the team co-leads...

This makes sense though as he really wanted Daredevil back when Marvel Knights came out and he was offered the Black Panther instead...which he did great work with.

It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Hypestyle on December 15, 2017, 07:39:58 am
I have to remind him that he could write a Panther prose novel and that would be a good way to write a continuity free story in his own way.  I think that's something that is a possibility.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 15, 2017, 07:57:45 am
Actually, Priest WAS given Captain America once, in the form of CAPTAIN AMERICA & FALCON.

Then Marvel editorial decided to give Ed Brubaker a shot on the main Cap title (which moved back to the main office from Marvel Knights).  In order to avoid confusion (they didn't need TWO mainstream Cap books), the editors decided to cancel CA&F... and relaunch it as just THE FALCON.

In Priest's words: "Removing Cap from the book would send a terrible signal, a lack of confidence in my ability to handle mainstream characters."   

It's funny.  People forget that Priest had been writing and editing comics for twenty years before he got the BP gig.  He was the first African-American editor at BOTH Marvel & DC.  He worked on everything from CONAN THE BARBARIAN to THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER   

Did he want Panther, back in '98?  No.  As he's said, BP simply wasn't an interesting character in those days... he tended to stand in the background of crowd shots and only show up if Klaw was around or someone needed Vibranium.

But he acted as a professional should, and did the job.  And he did it well.  And in gratitude for his years of work, and skill as a writer.. he became "the guy who only gets offered black characters."

No wonder he quit the business.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 15, 2017, 08:08:09 am
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...

Facts.  Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.

Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans?  About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client.  Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry

Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter.  That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with. 
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 15, 2017, 08:53:26 am
I remember CAPTAIN AMERICAN and THE FALCON, but that's still not being given the actual Captain America book, which instead went to Brubaker, to helm.  And let's be honest, he was given it because of the Falcon.  Which is what he ended up with after all was said and done.

And I do remember him being editor on a lot of books back in the day, but that's still not the same as writing them.  With his history and background, Priest should've been given cart blanche to helm the books of characters the way his contemperaries like Peter David, Mark Waid, and Kurt Busiek have been given.

Also, I actually like Ross and wouldn't mind at all seeing him return as I enjoyed his character in the Priest book and mythos, just a little surprised Priest is basically more interested in writing Ross than Panther.  Though I do see him still wanting to use Ross...as he always loved that character and he's able to use him for snark and comic relief in ways he can't use Panther without writing him too out of character.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 15, 2017, 10:26:48 am
It's really poor how marvel treated Priest. I don't agree with make Ross the main focus and MMs idea of seeing things from Tchallas standpoint coming full circle is brilliant, that would be the best way to handle it rather then filtering again with Ross.

At this point though I am excited to read it all, Hudlin is who I am most excited about and how we get some new surprises for him in the future pertaining to BP
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 15, 2017, 01:37:22 pm
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...

Facts. Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.

Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans? About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client.  Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry

Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter.  That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with. 
QFT!
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 15, 2017, 01:37:49 pm
According to Wikipedia Priest was a regular writer for the following:
The Marvel No-Prize Book #1 (Marvel Comics, January 1983) – (one-shot)
Falcon #1–4 (Marvel Comics, November 1983 – February 1984)
The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones #20–22 (Marvel Comics, August 1984 – October 1984)
Power Man and Iron Fist #111–125 (Marvel Comics, November 1984 – September 1986)
Conan the Barbarian #172–185 (Marvel Comics, July 1985 – August 1986)
Conan the Barbarian #187–213 (Marvel Comics, October 1986 – December 1988) – (co-writer #202–213)
Conan the Barbarian King-Size Annual #10–12 (Marvel Comics, 1985–1987)
The Amazing Spider-Man #284–288 (Marvel Comics, January 1987 – May 1987)
Spider-Man vs. Wolverine #1 (Marvel Comics, February 1987) – (one-shot)
Action Comics Weekly #601–607 (DC Comics, May 24, 1988 – July 5, 1988) – (Green Lantern story)
Green Lantern Special #1–2 (DC Comics, 1988–1989)
"I, Whom the Gods Would Destroy." Marvel Graphic Novel #33 (Marvel Comics, 1988) – (Thor story)
Action Comics Weekly #621–635 (DC Comics, October 11, 1988 – January 17, 1989) – (Green Lantern story; co-writer)
The Unknown Soldier #1–12 (DC Comics, Winter 1988 – December 1989) – (limited series)
Conan the King #50–55 (Marvel Comics, January 1989 – November 1989)
Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn #1 (DC Comics, January 1989) – (mini-series)
Arion the Immortal #1–6 (DC Comics, July 1992 – December 1992)
The Ray #1–28 (DC Comics, May 1994 – August 1996)
Justice League Task Force #18–37 (DC Comics, December 1994 – August 1996)
The Ray Annual #1 (DC Comics, 1995)
Triumph #1–4 (DC Comics, June 1995 – September 1995) – (mini-series)
Doom Link (DC Comics, 1995) – (Superman and Batman Elseworlds one-shot)
Hawkman #31–33 (DC Comics, April 1996 – June 1996)
Total Justice #1–3 (DC Comics, October 1996 – November 1996) – (mini-series)
Steel #34–52 (DC Comics, January 1997 – July 1998)
Wonder Woman Plus #1 (DC Comics, January 1997) – (with Jesse Quick; one-shot)
Xero #1–12 (DC Comics, May 1997 – April 1998)
Quantum and Woody #1–21 (Acclaim Comics, June 1997 – February 2000)
JLX Unleashed #1 (Marvel Comics, June 1997) – (one-shot)
Solar, Man of the Atom: Hell on Earth #1–4 (Acclaim Comics [Valiant], January 1998 – April 1998) – (limited series)
Concrete Jungle: The Legend of the Black Lion #1 (Acclaim Comics, April 1998) – (one-shot)
Ka-Zar #14–17 (Marvel Comics, June 1998 – September 1998)
GOAT: H.A.E.D.U.S. #1 (Acclaim Comics, August 1998) – (one-shot)
Wonder Woman #137–138, 1,000,000 (DC Comics, September 1998 – November 1998)
Black Panther vol. 3 #1–56, 59–62 (Marvel Comics, November 1998 – May 2003, July 2003 – September 2003)
Turok/Shadowman #1 (Acclaim Comics, February 1999) – (one-shot)
Impulse: Bart Saves the Universe #1 (DC Comics, March 1999) – (one-shot)
Deadpool #34–41, 43–45 (Marvel Comics, November 1999 – June 2000, August 2000 – October 2000)
Batman: The Hill #1 (DC Comics, May 2000) – (one-shot)
Legends of the DC Universe #30–32 (DC Comics, July 2000 – September 2000) – (Wonder Woman story)
The Crew #1–7 (Marvel Comics, July 2003 – January 2004)
Captain America and the Falcon #1–14 (Marvel Comics, May 2004 – June 2005)
Q2: The Return of Quantum and Woody #1–5 (Valiant Entertainment, October 2014 – February 2015)
Deathstroke (DC Comics, August 2016 – present)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Priest_(comics)#Comics
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 15, 2017, 01:38:07 pm
The way Priest is sounding, his work with Milestone will only be with the non black characters. I wonder how many white writers at Marvel and DC were assigned to write only white characters over the years and complained about it simply because the characters were white. I'm sure there are some out there.

Look at the words...  "It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus." as if writing black characters is analogous to some kind of  segregative, second class citizenship. What is implied is that there is something inferior or inherently wrong with black characters.

Comic book wise the best chances for BP lie in 1) Hudlin doing what he does best in the Black Panther Annual and then given the green light to do World War Wakanda maxi series; 2) Evan Narcisse being unincombered and not heavily influenced by Coates to craft a mythos enriching expository in Rise of the Black Panther which would lead to a sequel; 3) Hudlin doing a Black Panther and Milestone crossover that would make Dwayne McDuffie smile with pride.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 15, 2017, 01:56:59 pm
What Ezyo said, plus I'd like to add on that writing "white" characters in a main book like the ones listed isn't the same as being given those characters' actual books to take steward of.  Priest from what I know has never been given Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, Batman, or others listed to take actual steward of.  (Iron Fist yeah, but through Cage by way of proxy) I think his over zealous attitude and how he conveys his "thankfulness" is over the top and embarrasing...but I'd understand his frustration after having wanted years to take the helm of BATMAN or JLA and they just follow the same pattern by offering him CYBORG.  Now he has the top team book at DC.  I'd love to see him take on the Avengers title with Panther and Iron Man as the team co-leads...

This makes sense though as he really wanted Daredevil back when Marvel Knights came out and he was offered the Black Panther instead...which he did great work with.

It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...

All of this up in here^^^.

But let's make this clear: We know that PRIEST is nowhere near a sellout. His credentials as a Black man are beyond contention. MILESTONE don't rock with anyone who has any STEPHEN FROM CANDYLAND [ Samuel L. Jackson's character ] DNA in him. Let's get that real clear, right now.

I also think that Ross was by far the most hilarious character in PRIEST'S run. Remember also that the sardonic half pint became Secretary of State or some such in CJP's run. As such? Ross will be a tremendous POV character who knows CJP BP better than anyone outside of say Storm, Shuri,and  Queen Ramonda perhaps save Iron Man and Captain America.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 15, 2017, 02:09:10 pm
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...

Facts.  Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.

Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans?  About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client.  Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry

Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter.  That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with. 

Because CJP more than likely identifies more Ross than he does with BP which is why he choose to write his story about Ross with BP in the background/support..
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Salustrade on December 15, 2017, 02:40:54 pm
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.

Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence  (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.

Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 15, 2017, 02:46:47 pm
The way Priest is sounding, his work with Milestone will only be with the non black characters. I wonder how many white writers at Marvel and DC were assigned to write only white characters over the years and complained about it simply because the characters were white. I'm sure there are some out there.

Look at the words...  "It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus." as if writing black characters is analogous to some kind of  segregative, second class citizenship. What is implied is that there is something inferior or inherently wrong with black characters.

Comic book wise the best chances for BP lie in 1) Hudlin doing what he does best in the Black Panther Annual and then given the green light to do World War Wakanda maxi series; 2) Evan Narcisse being unincombered and not heavily influenced by Coates to craft a mythos enriching expository in Rise of the Black Panther which would lead to a sequel; 3) Hudlin doing a Black Panther and Milestone crossover that would make Dwayne McDuffie smile with pride.


Truth be told right now Bp is the most important Black Character out there and look at how they treat him on the comics side. Thats why Priest responded that way.  Other then BP what other Black hero is Even close to his level of hype and popularity right now? Miles is probably the closest to that. The problem is that marvel and DC never have their POC heroes the same respect or push that they deserve or were given to their white hero counterparts. So when Priest had to prove himself against racism,  and be better then 95% of the White writers out there While getting half the respect, and then once he was given BP  he was then only given Characters who weren't getting the same time of respect or push, I can understand why he responds the way he does.

That said I'm not happy with him absolutely not wanting anything to do with BP (though even then I think he would do something with him if he could write a story and then continue on with whatever other projects he wanted) but I understand the why, and really this is all stuff he had said before so it's not any new surprise, Honestly my opinion on him is still the same. Because I think in a honesty if he was given a BP project again no he would bring his A game except this time around, his run would have very little push back. However,  I think Hudlin Should get another shot though at a BP run and given Carte
 Blanche to write unapologetic Black Panther
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 15, 2017, 03:09:38 pm
Why would the white writers complain about writing only white characters when the white characters were the norm, the mainstream, and the ones that often made up 90 percent of the comics world?  That's a lot of choice. It IS segregative when, say, a Peter David or Mark Waid has a choice of 85 to 90% of all of Marvel to write and Priest may only be given 15 to 10% of it to write because he's only given minority or black characters. I don't think the implication is that writing black characters is inferior, especially since he's written the black characters he's been given with respect and done them well, but that as a professional writer, he's being limited to ONLY black characters to helm.

And of course the truth is white writers have no such limitations, as white writers have written for lengthy periods characters like the Panther, Black Lighning, Cage, Storm, John Stewart, and others over decades.  ALONG WITH stalwart white characters like the Xmen, Iron Man, Batman, Cap, and others.

The wikipedia list presented is a gross amount of work, but most of it shows very short stints, limited series, one shots, and fill-in issues.  I did forget he did Conan as Jim Owsley for some years, but outside of that his longest and most constant stints were with Power Man/Iron Fist, Steel, and Black Panther.  Who were not only black characters but, at the time, were not A-list or mainstream.

Priest basically bought on Peter David and served as his editor.  They are contemporaries.  David has had well-known and lengthy stints and made his mark on mainstream characters like Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Aquaman.  Waid is another, and has been given lengthy stints on Captain America, the Flash, Daredevil, and more.  Busiek i think has been given near everything, and served as writer and steward on one of the longest Avengers runs ever

Priest hasn't recieved work on that level, with characters that big, who, yeah...are white.  He's just now after all these years getting THE Justice League book.  We'll see.how much control he has and how long he's gping to be on it.

But yeah, there's a difference between thinking that writing black characters are inferior, and being frustrated that the only characters they're allowing you to actually take over the books of are black.  That's limiting your choices, cutting a writer off from a huge percentage of comics characters, many whom are iconic and most comics writers, white or black, would kill for a shot at.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 15, 2017, 10:37:11 pm
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.

Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence  (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.

Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.

I no longer feel conflicted.  Reflecting on it, I always just gave him a "pass" because of his BP stories i read 16 years ago.  Buuuuut now i don't feel the need to lie to myself or to rob him of the same energy i give to others who spew the same type of rhetoric i've heard him say several times now over the years.

I'm fine with separating his professional work as BP's writer once upon a time, with how i currently view him as a troubled literary intellectual emitting strong signs of Stockholm syndrome with one foot habitually in the sunken place due to to the emotional scarring he suffered as a "black" writer in an overtly racist comic book industry... and by any deeper scars sustained from his upbringing in a more overtly racist 60s-80s America. So i "get it" but i also tire of seeing those symptoms always pop up to put a damper on things.

We're getting the best interpretation of the BP mytho ever in a couple months, so I no longer need to cuddle the past or subconsciously put it or it's architect on some unattainable pedestal.  I can just thank Priest for his significant contributions that inspired our new testament bible (written by Coogler and Cole) and leave it at that.  Don't really need to hear from him again regarding the character, and especially not if Ross is all he got to give.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 15, 2017, 10:43:40 pm
It is also a little disconcerting to see him return and be more interested in writing Ross again instead of T'Challa however...

Facts.  Ain't no one care about no cotdamn Ross like that.

Now that "expectations" of BP are different from the time when Ross was "needed"... Why not just flip the script in this annual and write a story from BP's perspective about Ross and other Americans?  About how the perception of Wakanda and his ownself has changed since the client.  Turn it into an allegory of Priest's own experiences in the comic industry

Write what you felt you couldn't write back in the day without having Ross as a filter.  That's the coming full circle story i would've f*cked with. 

Because CJP more than likely identifies more Ross than he does with BP which is why he choose to write his story about Ross with BP in the background/support..
Yea, lowkey this was the impression I was starting to get as well.  I always found the idea of Ross to be... meh but what's done was done and i think i'll be pleased with Coogler and Robert Cole's 'brilliant and uniquely their own' re-interpretations of Ross, Nakia, Okoye, and the Doras in MCU BP.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Salustrade on December 16, 2017, 05:45:16 am
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.

Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence  (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.

Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.

I no longer feel conflicted.  Reflecting on it, I always just gave him a "pass" because of his BP stories i read 16 years ago.  Buuuuut now i don't feel the need to lie to myself or to rob him of the same energy i give to others who spew the same type of rhetoric i've heard him say several times now over the years.

I'm fine with separating his professional work as BP's writer once upon a time, with how i currently view him as a troubled literary intellectual emitting strong signs of Stockholm syndrome with one foot habitually in the sunken place due to to the emotional scarring he suffered as a "black" writer in an overtly racist comic book industry... and by any deeper scars sustained from his upbringing in a more overtly racist 60s-80s America. So i "get it" but i also tire of seeing those symptoms always pop up to put a damper on things.

We're getting the best interpretation of the BP mytho ever in a couple months, so I no longer need to cuddle the past or subconsciously put it or it's architect on some unattainable pedestal.  I can just thank Priest for his significant contributions that inspired our new testament bible (written by Coogler and Cole) and leave it at that.  Don't really need to hear from him again regarding the character, and especially not if Ross is all he got to give.

Bro, I agree with you 100% on this.

Dude had a chance to write something meaningful about T'Challa but has apparently decided to filter same through Ross at a time when there's ZERO reason to do so.

If that isn't Stockholm Syndrome, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 16, 2017, 06:53:11 am
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 06:58:29 am
I really feel conflicted saying this, but the more I read about Priest's reticence at writing Black characters, the less I respect him.

Priest gets credit for bringing T'Challa and Wakanda back to prominence  (albeit reluctantly) but to me Reginald Hudlin is and always will be my all time favourite Black Panther.

Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss are the only other BP writers who I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for.

I no longer feel conflicted.  Reflecting on it, I always just gave him a "pass" because of his BP stories i read 16 years ago.  Buuuuut now i don't feel the need to lie to myself or to rob him of the same energy i give to others who spew the same type of rhetoric i've heard him say several times now over the years.

I'm fine with separating his professional work as BP's writer once upon a time, with how i currently view him as a troubled literary intellectual emitting strong signs of Stockholm syndrome with one foot habitually in the sunken place due to to the emotional scarring he suffered as a "black" writer in an overtly racist comic book industry... and by any deeper scars sustained from his upbringing in a more overtly racist 60s-80s America. So i "get it" but i also tire of seeing those symptoms always pop up to put a damper on things.

We're getting the best interpretation of the BP mytho ever in a couple months, so I no longer need to cuddle the past or subconsciously put it or it's architect on some unattainable pedestal.  I can just thank Priest for his significant contributions that inspired our new testament bible (written by Coogler and Cole) and leave it at that.  Don't really need to hear from him again regarding the character, and especially not if Ross is all he got to give.

My opinion is no different, on him. He has expressed what he feels already and I have accepted it.
He lived on a different Time. He and McDuffie went through the same things as well. McDuffie embraced it, Priest rejected the title, but both of them did ground breaking things on BP and i wish hon the best. Maybe he could get a gig doing Avengers and through Tchalla in there at some point
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 16, 2017, 07:05:27 am
Gotta separate the art and the artist sometimes

especially this day and age lol

dude still wrote my favorite panther
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 07:05:57 am
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

With Coates it sound more professional then actually liking it. He said he made it unique and hos own,
he isn't going into any sort of detail a about it. Very rarely would I see a professional writer bash another in a interview like that

That being said. Again I look forward to Hudlin's take and hope he can get another greenlit book in the near future and finish his stories particularly WWW
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 16, 2017, 07:11:46 am
I could not say I were a fan if that were not the case and there was no need to.  As outspoken as he is free to be, I have to take him at his word.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 07:39:31 am
I dunno I would never expect a writer to openly bash another, especially if the interviewer asks about that writer. They pretty much had to say they like the work or suffer backlash. But he never saud hat he likes. Just it's uniquely his own, then  adds he doesn't really read comics to move away from the topic
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 16, 2017, 08:16:57 am
Wouldn't not reading comics give him the opportunity to avoid bashing or lying about being a fan if he really wasn't a fan? 

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 11:35:29 am
Yes and no, but he had already said before that he read atleast some of it when asked in a prior interview and he pretty much said the same thing. He is doing something unique and his own. It's more of a neutral comment
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 16, 2017, 02:24:29 pm
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

Wassup Kimoyo!!!  Truer words Bro... truer words.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 16, 2017, 02:24:57 pm
Observe the language used:  the norm; the mainstream. What normalcy and better still, whose normalcy were white characters representing? Despite some opinion to the contrary, white normalcy is not analogous to being universal and is obviously not applicable to all, not that it needs to be. Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only. Why not consider mainstreaming "black" characters if you are a "black " writer? White writers have a "lot of choice" because they chose to write a lot of white characters.

The segregation ended with Milestone. There a professional "black" writer has an entire universe to craft... potentially akin Marvel's evolution. But more to the point, why would this "black" writer complain unless he found their ice colder.

If one is to consider white writers having no such limitations regarding lengthy periods on writing "black" characters then by comparable volume the same could be said about "black" writers penning white characters.

White writers black characters:

Black Panther - McGregor 19 issues, Kirby 13 issues, Liss 17 issues; Black Lightening -  Isabella 10 issues and again with Isabella and Dave de Vries 13 issues, Jen Van Meter 6 issues; Luke Cage - Goodwin, Wein, Isabella, Mantlo, Englehart, McGregor, Wolfman, Claremont 47 issues; Storm - Pak 11 issues, Ellis 4 issues; John Stewart 19 issues, 24 issues 18 issues with Dennis O'Neil,Gerard Jones.

Black writers white characters:

Justice League of America  - McDuffie 21 issues;  Fantastic Four - McDuffie 12 issues; Captain America and the Falcon - Priest 15 issues; Wonder Woman - Priest 9 issues; Deadpool - Priest 11 issues; Spider-Man - Hudlin 6 issues; Conan - Priest 44 issues; Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight - McDuffie 8 issues Spider-Man - Priest 8 issues;  Green Lantern  - Priest 27 issues; The Ray  - Priest 30 issues; Deathstroke - Priest  26 issues.

Apparently white writers were not content with just writing about white characters as evidenced by white writers introducing non white characters. It too would  seem that white writers had short stints, limited series, one shots, and fill-in issues while writing "black" characters. It may also be argued that black writers have longer runs and greater success writing black characters. Not surprising, the same may true respectively for white writers penning white characters. Just an observation.




Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 16, 2017, 02:59:07 pm
Why would the white writers complain about writing only white characters when the white characters were the norm, the mainstream, and the ones that often made up 90 percent of the comics world?  That's a lot of choice. It IS segregative when, say, a Peter David or Mark Waid has a choice of 85 to 90% of all of Marvel to write and Priest may only be given 15 to 10% of it to write because he's only given minority or black characters. I don't think the implication is that writing black characters is inferior, especially since he's written the black characters he's been given with respect and done them well, but that as a professional writer, he's being limited to ONLY black characters to helm.

And of course the truth is white writers have no such limitations, as white writers have written for lengthy periods characters like the Panther, Black Lighning, Cage, Storm, John Stewart, and others over decades.  ALONG WITH stalwart white characters like the Xmen, Iron Man, Batman, Cap, and others.

The wikipedia list presented is a gross amount of work, but most of it shows very short stints, limited series, one shots, and fill-in issues.  I did forget he did Conan as Jim Owsley for some years, but outside of that his longest and most constant stints were with Power Man/Iron Fist, Steel, and Black Panther.  Who were not only black characters but, at the time, were not A-list or mainstream.

Priest basically bought on Peter David and served as his editor.  They are contemporaries.  David has had well-known and lengthy stints and made his mark on mainstream characters like Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Aquaman.  Waid is another, and has been given lengthy stints on Captain America, the Flash, Daredevil, and more.  Busiek i think has been given near everything, and served as writer and steward on one of the longest Avengers runs ever

Priest hasn't recieved work on that level, with characters that big, who, yeah...are white.  He's just now after all these years getting THE Justice League book.  We'll see.how much control he has and how long he's gping to be on it.

But yeah, there's a difference between thinking that writing black characters are inferior, and being frustrated that the only characters they're allowing you to actually take over the books of are black.  That's limiting your choices, cutting a writer off from a huge percentage of comics characters, many whom are iconic and most comics writers, white or black, would kill for a shot at.


I'm closer to this up here^^^^. Combined with a few other brilliant posts by our HEF brethren in this thread regarding CJP. Basically, if CJP could get the BIG books [ like he's getting in DC ] while he's still allowed to write books like MILESTONE'S and say...Deadpool? We'd probably hear zero complaints. The big books in comics bring big checks, too. This is vitally important and to keep it real more than half the reason why a writer would want to write these big books.

Also. Let's keep it real. Let's say you're DC, and you read in some interview that the guy who you entrusted with THE JUSTICE LEAGUE...you're company's AVENGERS, and you're paying this man AVENGERS money...actually wants to write for YOUR MAIN COMPETITION. That's a really good way to get fired and burn stupid amounts of bridges in the industry. He would be amazingly stupid to verbalize anything like he wants to write BP again. Even if he actually wanted to do so.

Remember also that at CJP's age, he wants to be very secure doing what he wants to do; he wants to eliminate all kinds of worries starting with the financial issues. Our manz R to the H is a millionaire many times over...he's gotta be over 10, 15 million by now...and will be on point no matter what. He could fly his personal jet out to Marvel, take his wang and start wang smackin X-Office writers, then pimp walk over to the biggest office and shoot a Humongous Hudlin deuce on the main office table in Marvel's Editor In Chief's office, and he's still all good.

Priest? Ain't got it like that. Although he really should. After his Spider Man-Wolverine book? OMG. He should be at least on the Frank Miller/Mark Millar/BMB level by now. That has GOTTA raise a brutha's NaCl [ sodium chloride/salt ] level. Then on top of that? His CAF was outselling the main CAP book. He stiiillll got no love.

And remember. Hudlin? Wrote the best CAGE of all time. And Priest? Wrote the best FALCON of all time. Hudlin? Wrote THE BLACK Panther. Priest? Wrote The Ruthless UberPrep Scheming King Afrikan Panther. Both are GOATS on their Panthers.

If Priest were offered BP? He would take it, if the DC JUSTICE LEAGUE contract allowed, if the money is right and the creative reigns were loosened. If he was given a contract that basically said he could go nuts with BP for as long as it hit "x" amount of sales, and they would stay on the hype train of promoting BP thoughout the Coogler run? He'd be ON the BP bandwagon. Believe that.

I for one would find it very interesting to see what CJP would do with Shuri, how he would continue to develop the DM, how Ross would view Shuri and vice versa, how Hunter would view Shuri and vice versa, etc. The full reintegration of the CJP run with current BP characters and developments would be very interesting. For instance, would Priest resolve the Brain Aneurysm which I think subsequent writers were very wrong to ignore?

But with that being said...whose BP fits hand to glove with the Coogler MCU BP? You already know. It's our main manz R to the H. With CJP actually saying NO to BP? It's a no-brainer. Hudlin should MOST DEFINITELY be given the reigns to BP again. What'shisface TNC needs to get kicked the eff out IMMEDIATELY. That dude is so garbage that...no. He's not even worth the mental energy it takes to witheringly disparage him.

R to the H on the main BP book. CJP on some World of Wakanda type joint. Or vice versa. Either way? We can't lose.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 16, 2017, 03:41:17 pm
I posit a more visionary approach. Afrakan (aka Black) writers using their unique cultural puissance to give agency to Afrakan (aka Black) characters, so much so, that for all effects and purpose, they own the defining traits of said character.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 05:02:54 pm
S.I  hits some strong points. Ture I hear ya.
This is why we need Hudlin on BP again, and hopefully Evan can be the next generation of Bp enthusiast to Course correct Tchalla away from Coatesverse destruction of the mythos by racially offensive stereotypes. And show us unapologetic Black panther and Wakanda
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 16, 2017, 05:09:33 pm
Go on and preach Ture!  I think I get where your coming from Brother SI and I would've liked to give CJP the benefit of the doubt, but his comments, now and over the years, fly directly in the face of much of what you've stated.  He's not seemed to be hurting for work and considering his talent and position in the industry, not to mention his credits, he has had options.  Granted, perhaps he's not had the "A-list" options he'd prefer, which might be better guarantees of work, but weighing preferences, the motivation behind preferences is our problem in a nutshell isn't it?  To borrow and adapt a phrase we're all familiar with, 'With great talent comes great responsibility!"  Grinding is always necessary for us.  CJP stepped up in the '90's, in his chosen medium, with his BP run, despite his obvious misgivings.  Sadly, it seems, by his own words, he's abdicated responsibility in favor of preference, whatever his motivation?

Two More Cents.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Salustrade on December 16, 2017, 07:13:12 pm
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 16, 2017, 07:20:39 pm
S.I  hits some strong points. Ture I hear ya.
This is why we need Hudlin on BP again, and hopefully Evan can be the next generation of Bp enthusiast to Course correct Tchalla away from Coatesverse destruction of the mythos by racially offensive stereotypes. And show us unapologetic Black panther and Wakanda



I actually think that Hudlin would do much better on the main book of BP. I  think young guns like [ SHOUT OUT ] Redjack from the HEF would do well on a World of Wakanda type thing.

I think that if we talk Young Guns? Redjack or Narcisse on a W.O.W. type thing, and HUDLIN on the main BP book.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 16, 2017, 08:02:37 pm
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP.  I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP.  Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 16, 2017, 08:35:45 pm
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

This is a fair point.  As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.

We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.

The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run.  Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever. 

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 16, 2017, 09:02:22 pm
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

Thank you brother Kimoyo.  I just want to see black creators who will go to bat for these black characters like Reggie did for T'Challa and Dwayne did for John Stewart.  No hidden agendas, no back door ulterior motives to push another character, no hidden desires to want to write something else.

I just want to see the same energy for T'Challa that Chadwick has for him.  And i always knew CJP never had that type of energy for our guy but i guess i couldn't fathom a writer writing what he did and not giving him the benefit of the doubt.  But hey, i paid for those issues at the time of their release every Wednesday, paid for the tpb later on, argued down his haters online in those aol 3.0 days... i did my part back then to show support for what he did, back then.

But now we're on to bigger and better things


Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 16, 2017, 09:09:39 pm
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP.  I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP.  Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...

Peace,

Mont

Interesting way to view it next time I reread them I will give you them in that contest and see that add/ changes my enjoyment
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 09:49:35 pm
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

I agree with everything except the last part.
Priest run was the second coming because what came before it I. The recent times save Gillis wholly underrated mini, was dreck. So Priest fully revamped Tchalla to what Lee envisioned. Hudlin took Kirby's take and expanded on It further and updated Wakanda to match Tchallas update.

Hudlin is the Yang to Priest Yin. Funny thing is Hudlin takes heat but his run was unapologetically Black and it made folks uncomfortable. And that's what we need more up right now.

Also shout out to S.I. I agree, Redjack would be a great addition to the BP mythos
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 16, 2017, 10:20:49 pm
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP.  I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP.  Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...

Peace,

Mont

Interesting way to view it next time I reread them I will give you them in that contest and see that add/ changes my enjoyment

Hudlin's T'Challa definitely felt younger and more spry, like the world was still at his finger tips.  Like he was just getting started.

Whereas Priest's T'Challa there was more a sense of they'd already experienced the world and it had aged them... leaving everyone reflective and at times bitter.  I was brand new to the mytho at the time but even i felt the emotional weight, bitterness, and "years" of Monica and T'Challa's relationship.  And of White Wolf.  and of Killmonger.  And Nakia.  And Nikki.  Sometimes felt like i was playing catch up, which was intentional at times by Priest.

What's funny is that i would end up coming full circle as a reader and feeling the "age" organically... starting from Hudlin's run (optimistic, youthful) through Hickman's run (burnt out, aged) to where by the end of it I felt T'Challa had aged emotionally if not physically (w/o the hair loss) back to what he was in Priest's run.  and i felt like i had aged right along with him. 

What i was brand new to regarding him and Monica's bitterness back in '99... is exactly the same bitterness i have when it comes to him and the weather forecaster today, bc i lived (read) through it in real time, from Hudlin to Hickman.  The weight and burden of animosity towards Hunter and Erik.. is the exact same animosity i have for Namor and Doom.  But for the latter pair, i grew to feel that way, in real time.

At this point, I look at the MCU movie as the 3rd "reset" of T'Challa.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 16, 2017, 11:09:21 pm
What a brilliant way to put it. Though I didn't read it in real time. I get what you are saying. Hudlin's Tchalla felt full of life, hopeful and happy while Priest was more like ""Yea I've seen some messed up isht in my day, what else is new" but that is why we need to see that fiery T'Challa stain.
The lbe that was confident and told you to your face he was confident he would whoop that ass if they tried to step up to him. Thank you Coogler, and T'chadwick for that
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 17, 2017, 11:21:18 am
Brothers launch black superhero comic books
Hargro brothers hope to ride the crest of ‘Black Panther’s’ wave
By Curt Holman - For the AJC

Even at a time when superheroes have taken the helm of Hollywood, the upcoming “Black Panther” film, partially shot in Atlanta, commands special attention. Acclaimed filmmaker Ryan Coogler directs Chadwick Boseman as Marvel Comics’ African prince turned high-tech hero opposite such actors as Michael B. Jordan and Oscar-winners Angela Bassett, Forest Whitaker and Lupita Nyong’o. The movie opens Feb. 9, 2018.
“A black filmmaker, directing a majority black cast, with that budget – it’s going to be a ‘Roots’ moment,” says independent comic book writer/publisher Carlton Hargro of Atlanta.

“Black Panther” will lead more African-American superheroes into the spotlight, like DC Comics’ “Black Lightning,” debuting on The CW in early 2018. But for the most part, black superheroes have been token characters playing subordinate roles to better-established white heroes.

As two African-American brothers growing up reading comic books in the 1970s and 1980s, Carlton and Darrick Hargro noticed how few characters looked like them. Today they’re making the ranks of caped crusaders more diverse with a line of digital comics starring original African-American superheroes.

By day, Carlton, 47, works as an editor, and Darrick, 50, as a contract coordinator, but earlier this year they launched three superhero titles, each with a foot in a different genre. “Nia Griggs and the Kimetic Sisterhood of Science” draws on espionage elements to depict a “far from mild mannered music journalist” who fights domestic terrorists and other villains as her alter ego, a super-powered Amazon.

In “Moses,” title character Moses Jones finds herself at the center of a sci-fi mystery involving alien abduction. And the forthcoming “Makossa” depicts a detective who wears an African-style mask.

“It’s kind of a modern-day pulp hero,” says Carlton.

Carlton and Darrick named their Atlanta-based comic book publishing company 20th Place Media after the street where they grew up in Gary, Indiana. The brothers’ childhood home on 20th Place set them on a course to create their own superheroes.

“When we’d do our chores, our father would reward us with comics – he’d come home and give us a stack of ‘X-Men,’” says older brother Darrick.

The brothers noticed that the token black superheroes in mainstream comics tended to be second-rate.

“We didn’t like Luke Cage – he was not looked on as competent,” says Carlton. “Black Panther was cool when Stan Lee and Jack Kirby introduced him in ‘Fantastic Four,’ and then went into wackness in the 1970s. Blade was a terrible comic book character. He was a scrub!”

But they found an unexpected local hero in Indiana’s Tom Floyd, who had produced an original African-American comic book, “Blackman,” in the 1970s. Carlton recalls the eponymous character’s powers as being a little too literal: “To fly, he pulled himself by his bootstraps – because his costume had these big bootstraps,” he says. He was nonetheless impressed by Floyd’s achievement.

“I remember thinking, ‘Wow, this guy did it!’ It was the first time I had ever seen an independent comic book, but the art and color was professional.”

While their childhood friends drifted away from comics, over the years Carlton and Darrick’s conversations about the need for more and better black superheroes continued.

“We want to reframe what people think about black people,” says Carlton. “For centuries, there’s been one kind of story about us. Look at how pop culture is transmitted around the world. One of the first black characters – Luke Cage – was an ex-con. I think enough stories have been told about that. Let’s tell different ones.”

By the early 1990s, they decided to put their ideas on the page and into the marketplace — not only introducing more black heroes, but creating iconic characters that drew from the African-American community and traditions.

“We didn’t want them to be white heroes with black skin – we wanted them to be based on black culture,” Darrick says.

“And not, in a heavy-handed way, like, ‘Oh, I was just thinking about Martin Luther King,’” Carlton says.

Carlton began seeking out artists who could visualize the brothers’ scripts. He found long-time collaborator Andre Moore by putting up flyers at the Atlanta College of Art.

“In 1994, we published this comic called ‘Isis,’ about a black woman superhero,” says Carlton. “We published two books, we were in the Diamond comic book distributor catalog and we built this little network of African-American comic creators.”

But their sales were never super. “They weren’t selling, so we took a step back,” Carlton says.

After more than a decade refining their ideas and learning from their missteps, they launched a Kickstarter campaign in 2012 to support an original collection called “The African-American Comics Anthology,” which received more than $5,000.

“Our Kickstarter … helped us get our creative groove back, pushing us to write more,” says Carlton.

The Internet has helped with their second coming in other ways, too. It’s easier to collaborate with their artists, some of whom live in Europe. And the comics are available digitally through ComiXology and Peep Game Comix, an African-American digital distributor, in addition to a limited number of books on paper.

So far they’ve been most excited by the reception of the “Moses” release party at Little Five Points’ Moods Music, where about 100 people showed up. “I’d say 50 percent of them had never bought a copy in their life,” says Carlton.

He compares the initial roll-out to TV pilot season, and says the goal for 2018 is to double the slate of new and continuing titles.

“The main challenge we have is acceleration,” he says. “We need to move faster and speed up the time from talking to publication.”

It’s a happy coincidence that the brothers are introducing their original characters at a time when Atlanta, as a TV and film production hub, is bringing the likes of Black Lightning and Black Panther to life.

“When Black Panther comes out in 2018, I know for a fact that people will be asking ‘Where are the other black superheroes?’” Carlton says. “I want to be part of that conversation. A rising tide lifts all boats.”

“We want to catch that wave right when it crests,” Darrick says.

While 20th Place Media may not save the world, the brothers hope their superheroes may nudge it in a better direction.

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Gessela on December 17, 2017, 12:11:54 pm
Much success to'em.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 17, 2017, 08:12:24 pm
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

This is a fair point.  As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.

We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.

The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run.  Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.


These points up here are very well said. Very well said.

But I was there. On deck. When CJP wrote BP. You should have SEEN the HATE he was getting...from people who would NEEEVER read the book. I'm sayin...these fools were saying that BP shouldn't act like a King. I mean...LITERALLY saying that. Not just inferring it or making an argument TANTAMOUNT to it. They were LITERALLY like: "He's not really a King, so he shouldn't act like it."

LITERALLY. HUNDREDS of them were saying this. To CHEERS. Imagine CBR times a zillion. Yeah. That's what CJP dealt with.

I remember when he had BP defeat KRAVEN. Them racist White guys? Lost EVERY BIT of their minds. I'm serious. I remember hearing how BP should lose to KRAVEN because BP worshipped a Panther and Kraven had a lion pelt on him, and since lions can beat panthers? Kraven should ALWAYS defeat BP.

He made that argument and got a ring of applause for it.

R to the H got lotsa hate. His BLACK Panther? Got even more hate. His BLACK Panther is just STOMPIN fools depictions [ which still give me Panther-gasms and curled toe Panther talons today ]? Got even more hate. Most of us remember that. We know for sure that R to the H remembers every bit of that.

ANYONE who writes BP as he is meant to be in the 616 pre-Coogler? Will receive hate out of all proportion than if they took some underused White character like say...TASKMASTER, MOCKINGBIRD, DAZZLER, DOC SAMSON, WONDER MAN, SILVER FOX, TIGRA or LONGSHOT...and really made them the dopeness they're SUPPOSED TO BE.

As surprising as it was to see...even LISS and HICKMAN wasn't immune to the hate. Especially Hickman. Most especially Hickman. I knew he'd get side swiped for his initially prominent and uncompromising depictions of T'Challa, but the "Swiper No Swiping" that he got surprised me. Caused him to change some plotlines, I bet [ or at least that was the belated word of my at that time "insider" and ever ubiquitous secret informant ]. And this is hate piled atop of Hickman, who wrote a BP that we all had serious vomitous reactions to, at times [ and Sal probably from the moment that RH was removed from the book ]. HIckman, who most definitely didn't write as unflinchingly formidable a BP as either CJP or RH wrote.

 But CJP? By far got the most hate. By far. Not close. Even worse? He got alllll that hate...coupled with by far THE LEAST DEFENDERS. Because he did it in the smallest pond, with the most concentrated hate, the least possible restrictions on the forms of said hate, the strongest possible Editorial "I don't give a damn-isms", and more.  I mean, the word is really strong [ and confirmed ] that names like Chris Claremont told CJP to his face that his book wouldn't make it to 12 issues. And BET on it.

Right there is where the X-Office hate started. Cuz CJP went 5 plus years.

Then. To get THE CREW just dismissively canceled like that? No notice? Had to be told by outside sources that his joint was assassinated before it could even get 3 issues out? Hell naw. That? Is iodine, wax, and Harpy's poison in the open wounds.

So, yeah. CJP is a funny book vet. A legend, even. And he knows how to make the right noises to placate teh righ theads in order to smooth out where he wants to go. And ya know what? His last BP series was Ross-centric, too. And that CJP series? Was literally iconic, ground breaking, mold breaking, game changing...and the mandatory prerequisite to BP being in any movies, period. Unadulterated props and respect due.

If he wrote a 12 page joint centered on Ross...so? He kilt a 64 book series that was mostly Ross centered. He'll kill 12 pages, no problem. And won't diss TCHALLA in the process. I think we need to laud him for his relentless creativity, humor, and absolutely incredible writing chops. Not diss him because he's going back to a character...Ross...which was the POV character that put TCHALLA on the map FOR REAL. And made all this plausible, if not possible, in the first place.

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 18, 2017, 04:18:19 am
The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

I feel like Reg's unapologetically badass Black Panther plays more as a prequel to CJP's BP.  I think it effectively revises Stan and Jack's take where as CJP's Panther picks up with an older, more experienced BP.  Both were groundbreaking, nonetheless and in light of the dreck we're getting now...

Peace,

Mont

Interesting way to view it next time I reread them I will give you them in that contest and see that add/ changes my enjoyment

Hudlin's T'Challa definitely felt younger and more spry, like the world was still at his finger tips.  Like he was just getting started.

Whereas Priest's T'Challa there was more a sense of they'd already experienced the world and it had aged them... leaving everyone reflective and at times bitter.  I was brand new to the mytho at the time but even i felt the emotional weight, bitterness, and "years" of Monica and T'Challa's relationship.  And of White Wolf.  and of Killmonger.  And Nakia.  And Nikki.  Sometimes felt like i was playing catch up, which was intentional at times by Priest.

What's funny is that i would end up coming full circle as a reader and feeling the "age" organically... starting from Hudlin's run (optimistic, youthful) through Hickman's run (burnt out, aged) to where by the end of it I felt T'Challa had aged emotionally if not physically (w/o the hair loss) back to what he was in Priest's run.  and i felt like i had aged right along with him. 

What i was brand new to regarding him and Monica's bitterness back in '99... is exactly the same bitterness i have when it comes to him and the weather forecaster today, bc i lived (read) through it in real time, from Hudlin to Hickman.  The weight and burden of animosity towards Hunter and Erik.. is the exact same animosity i have for Namor and Doom.  But for the latter pair, i grew to feel that way, in real time.

At this point, I look at the MCU movie as the 3rd "reset" of T'Challa.

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Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 18, 2017, 05:43:28 am

Thank you brother Kimoyo.  I just want to see black creators who will go to bat for these black characters like Reggie did for T'Challa and Dwayne did for John Stewart.  No hidden agendas, no back door ulterior motives to push another character, no hidden desires to want to write something else.

I just want to see the same energy for T'Challa that Chadwick has for him.  And i always knew CJP never had that type of energy for our guy but i guess i couldn't fathom a writer writing what he did and not giving him the benefit of the doubt.  But hey, i paid for those issues at the time of their release every Wednesday, paid for the tpb later on, argued down his haters online in those aol 3.0 days... i did my part back then to show support for what he did, back then.

But now we're on to bigger and better things

Last time i remember a black writer praising the black dude he got stuck with was Walker who loved Power Man and Iron Fist and was estatic to write it.

I think it showed in the writing there... too bad he got stuck with... ummm... differentish? art.

This Evan dude seems to really really really really like Black Panther, so i'll hope for the best there.

After listening to Coates tell everyone all the bad sh*t about Black Panther mythos and then now getting CJP whining right now, at a time when Black Panther praise should be peaking thanks to the BP movie nad his prominent appearance in the IW trailer, is frustrating as f*ck.

At this point in time, if you ain't got nothing positive to say, STFU, drop a general "I enjoyed my time of Black Panther" nad move the f*ck along lol.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 18, 2017, 05:54:21 am
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

This is a fair point.  As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.

We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.

The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run.  Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.


These points up here are very well said. Very well said.

But I was there. On deck. When CJP wrote BP. You should have SEEN the HATE he was getting...from people who would NEEEVER read the book. I'm sayin...these fools were saying that BP shouldn't act like a King. I mean...LITERALLY saying that. Not just inferring it or making an argument TANTAMOUNT to it. They were LITERALLY like: "He's not really a King, so he shouldn't act like it."

LITERALLY. HUNDREDS of them were saying this. To CHEERS. Imagine CBR times a zillion. Yeah. That's what CJP dealt with.

I remember when he had BP defeat KRAVEN. Them racist White guys? Lost EVERY BIT of their minds. I'm serious. I remember hearing how BP should lose to KRAVEN because BP worshipped a Panther and Kraven had a lion pelt on him, and since lions can beat panthers? Kraven should ALWAYS defeat BP.

He made that argument and got a ring of applause for it.

R to the H got lotsa hate. His BLACK Panther? Got even more hate. His BLACK Panther is just STOMPIN fools depictions [ which still give me Panther-gasms and curled toe Panther talons today ]? Got even more hate. Most of us remember that. We know for sure that R to the H remembers every bit of that.

ANYONE who writes BP as he is meant to be in the 616 pre-Coogler? Will receive hate out of all proportion than if they took some underused White character like say...TASKMASTER, MOCKINGBIRD, DAZZLER, DOC SAMSON, WONDER MAN, SILVER FOX, TIGRA or LONGSHOT...and really made them the dopeness they're SUPPOSED TO BE.

As surprising as it was to see...even LISS and HICKMAN wasn't immune to the hate. Especially Hickman. Most especially Hickman. I knew he'd get side swiped for his initially prominent and uncompromising depictions of T'Challa, but the "Swiper No Swiping" that he got surprised me. Caused him to change some plotlines, I bet [ or at least that was the belated word of my at that time "insider" and ever ubiquitous secret informant ]. And this is hate piled atop of Hickman, who wrote a BP that we all had serious vomitous reactions to, at times [ and Sal probably from the moment that RH was removed from the book ]. HIckman, who most definitely didn't write as unflinchingly formidable a BP as either CJP or RH wrote.

 But CJP? By far got the most hate. By far. Not close. Even worse? He got alllll that hate...coupled with by far THE LEAST DEFENDERS. Because he did it in the smallest pond, with the most concentrated hate, the least possible restrictions on the forms of said hate, the strongest possible Editorial "I don't give a damn-isms", and more.  I mean, the word is really strong [ and confirmed ] that names like Chris Claremont told CJP to his face that his book wouldn't make it to 12 issues. And BET on it.

Right there is where the X-Office hate started. Cuz CJP went 5 plus years.

Then. To get THE CREW just dismissively canceled like that? No notice? Had to be told by outside sources that his joint was assassinated before it could even get 3 issues out? Hell naw. That? Is iodine, wax, and Harpy's poison in the open wounds.

So, yeah. CJP is a funny book vet. A legend, even. And he knows how to make the right noises to placate teh righ theads in order to smooth out where he wants to go. And ya know what? His last BP series was Ross-centric, too. And that CJP series? Was literally iconic, ground breaking, mold breaking, game changing...and the mandatory prerequisite to BP being in any movies, period. Unadulterated props and respect due.

If he wrote a 12 page joint centered on Ross...so? He kilt a 64 book series that was mostly Ross centered. He'll kill 12 pages, no problem. And won't diss TCHALLA in the process. I think we need to laud him for his relentless creativity, humor, and absolutely incredible writing chops. Not diss him because he's going back to a character...Ross...which was the POV character that put TCHALLA on the map FOR REAL. And made all this plausible, if not possible, in the first place.

Supreme, all this is well said and true...(and your post before citing mine made some great points that echoed mine too) and that's NOT to say Priest doesn't seem to have some issues involving race...he does...along with the way he expresses himself and this seemingly desperate need to write "white characters"...but let me address some things...

It would do well to ask or at least try to interpret, what people say, or the language being used, correctly without pulling a meaning out of it that wasn't intended.  "Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white".  Will Smith is mainstream.  Viola Davis is mainstream.  So is Kevin Hart and movies like "Girls Trip" and shows like "Scandal". Right now, the Black Panther is mainstream.  When Priest took on his book years ago, he wasn't.  It can be argued he always should've been, but he was not on the level of popularity that Daredevil, Spidey, and Batman were.  And the truth with comics, especially companies like Marvel and DC at the time, and even now, is that the major, most popular, most iconic characters in their possesion were not given to Priest in all his years to take steward of.  And yeah, most if not all of those characters happen to be white. And they outnumber all other races of characters in those companies by a HUGE percentage. 

And therein lies the problem and why, despite how he's expressing himself, and his own apparent issues, he has a point.

Steward of.  Writing "Captain America and the Falcon" is.not taking steward of Cap, being given the Captain America book is.  Writing a one-shot or limited issue book with Batman isn't being given steward of Bats, being given the BATMAN book is.  Writing "Justice League Task Force", a team of mostly C and D listers, isn't the same as writing JLA.  And who ever really gave a sh*t about The Ray?

I do think Preist likely has some self-hate issues, but if most of his career the books he's been given actual steward of are
mostly, if not all, the most popular black characters, is that not cutting him off from a huge percentage of other characters and especially the ones that are far more popular and iconic?  Who, yeah, happen to be white?

The comparison is disengenuous when white writers have taken on black characters while still having the greater amount of, and more popular, white characters open to them and a black writer doesn't.  Bendis can afford to take on Luke Cage when nearly every damn Marvel charactee has been given to him to take steward of. It also says something when, as pointed out before, one's contemporaries like Waid, David, and others have been given steward of these more popular, iconic characters when a Preist with his resume and time put in, hasn't. 

And SUPREME, you bought up and excellent point regarding the difference between a Preist and Hudlin...Hudlin can afford to come in and only be concerned with writing BP, putting him on the map, and this isn't an argument about his run being good or not good, it's that the dude is a millionaire and gets money from many avenues, while writing comics isn't even his main profession.  THIS IS Priest's profession, and has been for years, and being given the opportunity to write more popular, more well known characters like the Daredevils and Batmen not only raises his profile to a greater.height in the profession, but creates him more revenue.  Any writer writing BATMAN or AVENGERS is going to make more money than writing the FALCON.  This doesn't mean one refuses the Falcon because he's black, but one should have these other characters, who happen to be white, open to them as well.

As great of a job and focus as Priest did with BP, it still didn't sell as well or was as popular as DD at the time (the book he really wanted) and that meant less revenue for him.  And we can talk about the responsibility of being a black man and taking it upon oneself to write,create, and make more popular and iconic, black characters, which the man has tried to do and will be doing with Milestone, but why shouldn't he be concerned with raising his profile and bank account by writing these other characters he's never been given as well?

And he comes back after all these years, and he's given CYBORG?  Not only does the pattern continue, but who really wants to write Cyborg?

In the end, even im a bit disappointed he doesn't seem as interested in writing T'Challa again as he does Ross. Though even when he was wrting Ross and having him narrate, it was still in regards, through a second party, of showing and telling how awesome Panther truly was.  Panther was still the vehicle that drove the narrative.  And maybe he really doesn't have anything more to say with Panther now.

But after all this time, he's being given steward of the actual books of the more popular characters he's wanted to write and never did because yeah, he was largely only seen as a "black" writer and mostly given the books of the bigger black characters to take stewrd of while his contemporaries were seen as just "writers" and had everything, including the more popular, iconic characters, who yeah, are white, open to them.  If this is your profession, than its not about seeing black characters as inferior, but about your opportunities being limited in the work you're given.




Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 18, 2017, 06:10:07 am
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

This is a fair point.  As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.

We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.

The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run.  Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.

i've always said, just judging the stories themselves beyond any meta stuff


Priest peaks were f*cking PEAKS. some of the best story telling ive read and some of my favorite stories ever. His ability to weave fun comic sh*t with political type stuff with tribal stuff with comedy and such just hits all the high points when it clicked right. And it did click right a lot. The Client, EotS, EotSII, Sturm und Drang would likely all end up in my top 10 of "best BP stories" rather easily. And add in Killmonger's arc(s) as well.

But whoo boy, for me, when he missed, it was nearly unreadable. Needlessly complicated, too much Ross, text everywhere, plot points being unresolved (when he knows he was on cancellation watch for ages). For instance, I can barely read that western/loki/thor arc thing, whatever the F that was.

And yeah, making Doras 16 was kind of... weird. (very weird lol). And Hunter, while I think a good character and a fun villain, ever ever ever ever ever ever being in line to be king is just so ludicrous even for comic standards. African, "we hate all outsiders no matter who they are" Wakandan King accepting some random white baby who crashed and then making him think he might be king.... lol come on.


Hudlin was much much much much much much more even. He didn't peak as nearly as high imo (as much as I like WitBP and Bad Mutha) but he never bottomed out either.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 18, 2017, 07:20:59 am

Thank you brother Kimoyo.  I just want to see black creators who will go to bat for these black characters like Reggie did for T'Challa and Dwayne did for John Stewart.  No hidden agendas, no back door ulterior motives to push another character, no hidden desires to want to write something else.

I just want to see the same energy for T'Challa that Chadwick has for him.  And i always knew CJP never had that type of energy for our guy but i guess i couldn't fathom a writer writing what he did and not giving him the benefit of the doubt.  But hey, i paid for those issues at the time of their release every Wednesday, paid for the tpb later on, argued down his haters online in those aol 3.0 days... i did my part back then to show support for what he did, back then.

But now we're on to bigger and better things

Last time i remember a black writer praising the black dude he got stuck with was Walker who loved Power Man and Iron Fist and was estatic to write it.

I think it showed in the writing there... too bad he got stuck with... ummm... differentish? art.

This Evan dude seems to really really really really like Black Panther, so i'll hope for the best there.

After listening to Coates tell everyone all the bad sh*t about Black Panther mythos and then now getting CJP whining right now, at a time when Black Panther praise should be peaking thanks to the BP movie nad his prominent appearance in the IW trailer, is frustrating as f*ck.

At this point in time, if you ain't got nothing positive to say, STFU, drop a general "I enjoyed my time of Black Panther" nad move the f*ck along lol.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/F1TkQCnhl2EuY/giphy.gif)

All of this.

I still find it incredulous that we're still dealing with this type of sh*t at the eve of BP's mainstream coronation: a limp wrist anti-masculine hyper feminist white-guilt fetishistic lunatic, and an emotionally battered Stockholm syndrome white acceptance seeking hermit.

I mean sure, I'll take this trade off with what we're getting in movies and tv, but cotdamn it can't we just have nice things top to bottom?  :-\
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 18, 2017, 07:41:53 am
Mortal Man thank you for you brilliant and dead on the money commentary over CJP's disappointing, and frankly very disheartening comments!  You and brothers Sal, Ture and 4Sake have echoed all of the thoughts and feeling I've had in reading CJP's interview.  I remain grateful for what he did for BP and will try to hold on to that, but it is very difficult to appreciate him, even historically after hearing all he has to say, not the least of which is that he is a fan of what TNC has done to BP.  Words like self-loathing, pompous, shady and disingenuous come more immediately to mind.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mind

The thing that irks me the most is that some people still stay disrespecting Reginald Hudlin's wholly much more appropriate take on the BP Mythos whilst praising Priest wishy washy Ross centric BP like it was the second coming.

This is a fair point.  As much as some people like to throw shade at Hudlin's work, lets not act like Priest's work couldn't get that smear campaign bidnzess too if we looked past the big picture impact of it and instead got as granular with it as some like to do with Reginald's.

We could have a field day just about the Ross "problem" itself... let alone the troublesome origin/purpose of the Doras -which was just begging for a writer like Ta-Neisha to use against the mytho-, or Hunter/White Wolf... or all the cumbersome text on page that would make Adam Brasheer and his overtly verbose-laden soliloquies blush.

The good and impactful far outweighs the bad but I'd say the same holds true for Hudlin's run.  Shuri and his depiction of the Doras will now reign supreme in pop culture, forever.

i've always said, just judging the stories themselves beyond any meta stuff


Priest peaks were f*cking PEAKS. some of the best story telling ive read and some of my favorite stories ever. His ability to weave fun comic sh*t with political type stuff with tribal stuff with comedy and such just hits all the high points when it clicked right. And it did click right a lot. The Client, EotS, EotSII, Sturm und Drang would likely all end up in my top 10 of "best BP stories" rather easily. And add in Killmonger's arc(s) as well.

But whoo boy, for me, when he missed, it was nearly unreadable. Needlessly complicated, too much Ross, text everywhere, plot points being unresolved (when he knows he was on cancellation watch for ages). For instance, I can barely read that western/loki/thor arc thing, whatever the F that was.

And yeah, making Doras 16 was kind of... weird. (very weird lol). And Hunter, while I think a good character and a fun villain, ever ever ever ever ever ever being in line to be king is just so ludicrous even for comic standards. African, "we hate all outsiders no matter who they are" Wakandan King accepting some random white baby who crashed and then making him think he might be king.... lol come on.


Hudlin was much much much much much much more even. He didn't peak as nearly as high imo (as much as I like WitBP and Bad Mutha) but he never bottomed out either.

1. Replace romita jr. on the first arc of Hudin's run with someone worth a damn (i feel that artist has always been overrated trash) 2. give BP a vibranium suit and not the cloth looking thing with the eye sockets 3. reward BP his own magical (or Bashenga) afrikan sword instead of Black Knight's.. and WitBP would've been picture perfect for me.

That aside, Hudlin's stuff was very underrated.  It was even keel throughout it's tenure and had BP interacting with other marvel characters in ways that was long overdue. 
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 18, 2017, 08:03:39 am
I hear you MoS and I think that Priests highs we're monsters and amazing story telling and I agree that he Loki story, after reading it several times back to back I still don't know wtf that was either. Hudlin I live his run and it is consistent through and through, I just wish he had a little more intrigue going on. But again his was more like a Saturday morning cartoon, chalked full of action, light humor and some good (damn good) portrayals of cage as well as Tchalla.

Either way Evan hopefully becomes the next Hudlin and Hudlin Should come back and kick Coates off the main book do we can get the BP we deserve. Not whatever garbage this is we are getting
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: MindofShadow on December 18, 2017, 01:45:47 pm
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...


(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)


justice league cover


tell me how this really makes any sense lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 18, 2017, 05:36:01 pm
G. John's who, quiet as it's kept, wrote a pretty good BP/T'Challa is a CJP fan so it's not surprising he's getting this shot.  Not saying he doesn't deserve it, hope he finds it fulfilling.  He's definitely a talent, for me MoS summed up things very well, as I've said before Sturm und Drang is my favorite comics story of all time, but sadly gone are the days when I'd purchase any comic with a CJP byline.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 18, 2017, 06:05:38 pm
I haven't read his DC stuff because I don't know anything about DC nor really care to, but is it worth checking out? CJP I mean
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 18, 2017, 06:22:04 pm
I need to read more of Deathstroke, but I was underwhelmed by the first story. It won an award though. I liked his first issue of Justice League which came out last week. Its getting generally well received.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 19, 2017, 10:49:29 am
I haven't read his DC stuff because I don't know anything about DC nor really care to, but is it worth checking out? CJP I mean

It's pretty good & well without many of the issues of his BP run Imo..
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 19, 2017, 11:18:28 am
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...


(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)


justice league cover


tell me how this really makes any sense lol

Because he  use "Red Lion/Panther" anyway he wants without fear of backlash and currently has complete control over that character..  but I'd be shocked if Red Lion didn't end up getting his ass beat by Batman in some way or another, but there's no logical way BP ( even using CJP some what ridiculous logic of BP would allow Batman to win battle/in the short term so he could win the war/long term..

With Red 🦁 no will really complain if he's loses, if CJP decides to have Redline marry and have children and then decide to make him a bad father similar to The way Death Stroke is as a character flaw very few people will complain while with BP that would be a very big issue
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 19, 2017, 11:28:32 am
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...


(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)


justice league cover


tell me how this really makes any sense lol

Red Lion sounds like a worse guy than T’Challa, while Priest has a bit of fun poking fun at this being an obvious copy.  But he can do things with this guy he, as a professional writer, couldn’t do with Panther.

I”ve thought before it would be cool if DC/Marvel allowed him to do some meta-sh*t and Red Lion was “happy pants” panther from priest’s run that T’challa hid away...and he escaped to another plain of existence called “The DC”.  Then Panther would have to come into “The DC” to retrieve him, and maybe get into a fight with Deathstroke, along the way...
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 19, 2017, 11:31:38 am
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...


(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)


justice league cover


tell me how this really makes any sense lol

Yea of course he would attack the black guy first...  ::)

 :P

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: 4sake on December 19, 2017, 11:37:09 am
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...


(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)


justice league cover


tell me how this really makes any sense lol

Yea of course he would attack the black guy first...  ::)

 :P



Great minds think alike.. 1st thing I noticed.. for white folks standing around watching two brothers go at it smh
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 19, 2017, 07:57:57 pm
Priest has no problem using his Panther in DC though...


(https://i.imgur.com/zVIi7fw.jpg)


justice league cover


tell me how this really makes any sense lol

Yea of course he would attack the black guy first...  ::)

 :P



Great minds think alike.. 1st thing I noticed.. for white folks standing around watching two brothers go at it smh


These comments deserve a Sisko.

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Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 19, 2017, 08:24:02 pm
My guess was it was a joke at Cyborgs expense because he got cancelled. And if Priest had taken the job he would be cancelled right along with him. lol
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 19, 2017, 09:02:21 pm
My guess was it was a joke at Cyborgs expense because he got cancelled. And if Priest had taken the job he would be cancelled right along with him. lol

Good one CvilleWakandan.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 19, 2017, 09:09:33 pm
I know you hear what I'm saying brother Ezyo and thanks. Feeling the appreciation brother Kimoyo.

Brother SI, I too remember the visceral reactions of the LCBD those days past. Why is the focus on them instead of the thousands of supporters who bought and praised the Priest helmed Black Panther? Those  who showed their support by purchasing multiple issue and sharing them with students and non comic book readers. Talk about those who were praising the intellectual acumen of the Black Panther, the feats the Black Panther accomplished, the common sense approach to his personal weaponry and costume. BP fans were immediately off put by Ross being the center of attention and Priest eventually listened and relegated him to the supporting role he needed to be. Priest was the bennificary of much respect and support from Black Panther enthusiasts and fans.

Hudlin had fans waiting down the street when he debuted his Black Panther. He changed the entire game by not only signifying but making a declaration of Wakanda's inability to be conquered. Hudlin was lauded by true Black Panther enthusiasts and fans for his culturally relavent content and unapologetic approach. Hudlin understood the need and purpose of unifying Black Panther and Storm in holy matrimony. He produced the first animated feature dedicated to the Black Panther. Hudlin made the Black Panther so accessable that more multiple issue and dvd purchases were needed to supply the demand people like myself were receiving from those who were not capable of purchasing the comic book and disc directly. Fans and enthusiasts gave Hudlin much love for what he bought to the table.

This movie is the culmination of all the hard work a reluctant Priest, an enthusiastic Hudlin and all the fans did for the Black Panther. So again I say Black Panther enthusiast and fans should be the focus not assinine critics, detractors and trolls.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 20, 2017, 03:26:45 am
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."

Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.

Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.

"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event. 

If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest  was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.

Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."

DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller.  As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada  being able to build on such solid foundations.

Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.

Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.

From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).

If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance  Afrakan (aka Black) characters. 

I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Mortal Man on December 20, 2017, 05:48:21 am
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."

Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.

Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.

"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event. 

If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest  was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.

Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."

DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller.  As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada  being able to build on such solid foundations.

Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.

Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.

From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).

If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance  Afrakan (aka Black) characters. 

I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.


Brilliant post. 
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 20, 2017, 05:56:19 am
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."

Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.

Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.

"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event. 

If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest  was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.

Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."

DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller.  As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada  being able to build on such solid foundations.

Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.

Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.

From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).

If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance  Afrakan (aka Black) characters. 

I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.


Lol...oh I will sleep on the Ray...they could make him bisexual he's still going to be a D-list character. His sexuality isn't the point.  And yes, Priest did do for the Panther what Miller did for DD.  The difference is, DD gained instant popularity at the time while Panther's was still decades to come after Priest left.  The other difference is that Miller went on to superstar status and got to work, and actually redefine, arguably the biggest character in comics while Priest went into obscurity and STILL had the characters he wanted cut off from him.

Some great reward.

"Normalcy" and "mainstream" were definitely my words, and "mainstream" by my inference simply means what's A-List and most popular.  Let us be clear that you took those words, quoted them, and infered that the "language" meant "white".  I in no way meant that mainstream meant white.  However, the reality is that for most of Priest's career, including his run on the Panther, all of the most popular and iconic characters at both companies were white.  For the most part they still are. And it's not hard for anyone to see a pattern that when it came to their stables, he was given for the most part all of the black characters, while being thrown a few less popular white ones for short stints and one-shots, which again cuts him off from a huge portion of their most popular characters.  And at the end of the day, the man wanted to be seen as a writer and not a "black" writer...the same way Jim Lee is seen as an artist and not an "Asian" artist.  We could argue all day about Priest and whatever non-comittment to the struggle and his people he has, it's obvious for many reasons he's not that committed to that, though he has been responsible for some of the better depictions of black images in comics either way.

The above in no way is saying that anyone, including Priest, sees black characters as inferior, something you also infered that the man never actually said.  I've already stated that i definitely think the man has some issues from the way he expresses himself about race, but let's not pull something so disturbing as "seeing black characters as inferior" out of what anyone has said since he, or anyone, did not directly say that.

If the man actually saw black characters as inferior, I doubt he'd even talk about giving Milestone the time of day, nor would he have written the black characters he was given as well as he has. 

I must bring up again that his contemporaries, the Waids, the Busiek's, the David's...all had opportunities in their tenures to write the biggest, most iconic characters ans books in both the stables of the big "2".  It does say something that Priest never got this opportunity...until now.

Again, mainstream in this instance simply means popular.  Many factors can contribute to this and the actors you mentioned have actually made comments and stances on certain issues...but this has little to do with the point.  I do think the questions you brought up have merit, but it's a more deeply layered discussion that has nothing to do with how I used mainstream.  Totally another discussion.

Priest did not have to say "steward of" as something like that is obvious if he's expressed great interest in wanting to actually write BATMAN and IRON MAN...he wanted Daredevil at the time Marvel Knights came out.  Pointing out him writing Iron Man for a few issues in Panther's comic or writing Batman in a 4 issue limited series isn't the same.  When he says he's only given "black characters" to write he means he's been given the books of those characters, as he has been given or offered that consistently.  Of course he's saying he wanted the actual books of white characters as well.  That's taking steward of.

If the number of black characters were equal to and as popular as white characters, neither of us can say who Priest would want to write.  Saying "I want to write white characters" doesn't mean he doesn't want to write black, or any other group, we can think of.  What it does mean is that as a black man, he was mostly given black characters to take steward of by the company he worked for.  It's entirely believable just from his tenure that if things were as you say, he'd want to have all popular or "mainstream" characters, black or white, available to him.

The money part is an inference, but since we live in a capitalist country, most people would want to make the most out of what their profession is. And working on more popular characters (and yes, in this case white ones) definitely raises one's profile along with monetary gains. You’re likely going to make more money writing BATMAN then you will FALCON. However, one's dignity and creativity also often comes up.  The man is a proven veteran who for decades was given limited options in his field, based on the race of the characters and the color of his skin.

Deathstroke over Cyborg isn't settling, as Slade honestly, despite DC trying to push Victor Stone, is arguably a far more complex and popular character. (Definitely LOOKS cooler)  Plus, again, pattern.  You come back after all this time and still get offered the black character simply because you're black?  Again, Priest has his issues but if he's stated this pattern before, why would he come back and want to continue it?  Plus, "settling" for Deathstroke got him to take steward of their biggest team book containing all of their big gun characters.  This is the highest profile book he has ever “taken steward of” and is more likely to lead him to writing Batman or even Iron Man, and from interviews, it's something he's extremely excited about.

Defining companies by race is not the point, though yes, there is truth to what you say, minorities working for a "white" company in their profession still want and will fight for the opportunities they want.  This entire board is dedicated to an african character owned and created by a white company...that still doesn't stop you or many on here presenting, or in some cases even demanding or petitioning for, what you want or don't want for the character and his world, despite said character not belonging to black people. And again, you possibly infer...Priest never said he chooses not to see a hero that looks like himself...again, saying he wants to write white characters since he mostly has only been offered black ones doesn't mean that.

Also, he has written, created, promoted, and advanced black characters in his tenure...and if he works with Milestone still will.  Just because he wants to work on white characters too doesn't mean otherwise.

We can both agree Priest isn't a revolutionary or nationalist or a man that committed to his people...I seriously dont think he even thinks along those lines, nor along the lines of thinking he's promoting the superiority of the white male. He's merely a writer that wants to write white characters because his whole career he's only mainly been offered black characters, simply because he's black.  This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however.  Though yes, I’ve said in my posts on this before that he seems, for whatever reason, overly preoccupied and embarrassingly thankful about writing “white” characters.

In the end though, i don't think anyone is asking you to defend or identify with any of that.  I completely understand why you wouldn’t.   Lets just not pull out unfounded claims from what’s been said.









Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 20, 2017, 10:44:09 pm
"Normalcy" and "Mainstream" are not placeholders for "white". Agreed, I said as much "Again I must point out mainstreaming shouldn't be regarded as white streaming only." Let us be clear that mainstream and norm were your words and no where to be found in the interview I posted. My discourse stems from that interview and the disgust it engendered. Thus all inferences made to mainstreaming are yours not Priest's. Giving full transparency, in 2011 Priest did use the word mainstream. "I agreed to do Falcon if I could concurrently work on a more “mainstream” book, something with white characters."

Again the questions begs... What defines Will Smith, Viola Davis and Kevin Hart as mainstream? Is it their consistency at certain character portrayals? Is it their political beliefs and affiliations? Is it their silence or indifference on certain issues for fear of a loss of position and/or revenue? Or are they just the new trend enjoying their 15 minutes.

Concerning Black Panther what demographic was absent thus curtailing his mainstreaming? The most incredulous part of the argument is that popularity is the defining trait of mainstreaming and not character complexity, environmental nuance, cultural relevancy, political awareness or philosophical insight. All of which were on the table for Black Panther and are the very elements that will be found in the upcoming movie.

"Steward of" Once again your words, your inference. Priest did not state such however he did say he was happy about being allowed to write white characters. Fortunately for Black Panther, Priest actions spoke louder than his words. He did for BP what Frank Miller did for DD. Don't sleep on The Ray. He was just introduced into the Arrowverse as a gay character during the season's highest ratings for their Crisis crossover event. 

If the popularity and number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to those of white characters, who do you think Priest would want to write? You may infer but Priest  was very emphatic. He didn't say women, though some years back, he did pitch a miniseries featuring an all-female cast. He didn't say Asian, Indian or Hispanic but then again some years back there was his mutli-ethnic book called The Crew. Apparently Priest's interest in women and multiple ethnicities seems to have gone the way of the"Blacks." He didn't say children, teenage, physically challenged, LGBT, Kryptonian, Amazon, Martian or mutant. Priest did not say any and all characters despite their color, race, ethnicity, religious belief, sexual orientation etc... He didn't even say he wanted to write the most popular or best selling. The only descriptive adjective and proper noun that man used was white.

Again you infer. Priest never said anything about more money being an incentive to want to write in the mainstream. He couldn't have been worried about the money as he walked away from writing comic books to write novels. In 2011 he did say this "I am more than busy doing work that actually matters—feeding the hungry, comforting the lowly, preaching the Good News. Doesn’t pay nearly as well, but the gig comes with amazing fringe benefits."

DD was being published bi-monthly and on the verge of cancellation until 1981 when Frank Miller took over. The reason Daredevil outsold Black Panther during Marvel Knights and immediately following was due to the popularity of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada and the world building of Frank Miller.  As I stated earlier Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD. Coates and Stelfreeze are comparable to Smith and Quesada  being able to build on such solid foundations.

Don't want to write Cyborg but will settle for writing Deathstoke (guest starring the Panther). I guess any white character will do. I say settle because Priest is still just taking jobs and not writing the characters he really wants which are Batman and Ironman. In conclusion Priest didn't get to steward those white characters he so desires because some white owners, white publishers, white editors took the responsibility of marketing their images both selfishly and seriously. Racism to them means race first.

Its not because Priest was black it is because he was not white and thus some whites are not beholding to one who is not their own. Just because the word white isn't stated or written doesn't mean it is not implied. You work for Disney you work for a white company. You work for Microsoft, Sunoco, Ford, Whole Foods, Saks Fifth Avenue you work for a white company. What are you going to do deny, Sony is a Japanese corporation? Volkswagen isn't German? Really.

From Tarzan to James Bond; from John Rambo to Frank Castle; Jason Voorhees to Freddy Krueger; Captain America to Superman; Don Corleone to Tony Montana; Captain Kirk to Luke Skywalker; Batman to Spider-Man; all the way through doctors Who, Doom and Strange; all designed to promote white male dominance, expertise, values and pathology. All marketing the white male's supposed superiority. I don't accept excuses being made for "Blacks" who want to aid them in this simply because they choose not to see a hero that looks like themselves, because they can't hero worship an Afrakan (aka Black).

If your profession is comic books and you are Afrakan (aka Black) working in a white comic book company then it would be not only in your best interest but that of your family's, friend's and people's to create, promote, market and advance  Afrakan (aka Black) characters. 

I understand what Priest is saying but find no reason to defend or identify with it.


Brilliant post. 


Thank you Mortal Man. It is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 20, 2017, 11:07:36 pm
As far as the Ray is concerned I was regurgitating the descriptive promotion. However LGBT sexuality is at such a point that it's presence seems to be manifesting almost ubiquitously. Go figure. Now black to black matters. Black Panther's popularity did not come decades after Priest left because Hudlin came on board just a few years after Priest's departure increasing the character's profile, exposure and most certainly popularity. It is arguable as to who had the greater impact... Miller on DD or Priest on BP. It may also be arguable that Miller's well earned superstar status demonstrates a writing superiority in comparison to Priest's. It may again be argued that Priest wasn't offered the opportunities that Miller received due to the fact he was not white. Arguments abound.

I did not need to infer mainstream meant white, Priest said as much. You are championing his cause thus no inference was required. You see, mainstreaming survives on support. The more support the better the streaming. The intelligent, alternate strategy for Priest to employ was to do what Lee, Claremont, Miller and Moore did respectively for FF, X-Men, DD and Swampthing... which in fact Priest did successfully with BP. If Priest were to continue, say mirroring Miller, when all he received from the stable were Afrakan (aka Black) characters then as Miller did DD and then Batman, Priest should have done BP and then the Falcon. Some may not know that Batman was for all practical purposes was coasting and DD was bi-monthly  and on the verge of cancellation until reinvigorated by Miller. Neither were the choicest characters to write until someone made them such. The pendulum swings both ways... start making Afrakan (aka Black) characters iconic and the ones most desirable to write.

For a person who wants to be seen as a writer not a black writer he sure uses the word white a lot. I dig it. The dictionary doesn't assign a color or ethnicity when defining the word writer. It doesn't have to. When Noah Webster cobbled together his book of words, Afrakans (aka Blacks) were considered illiterate chattel by whites and were by no means to be included. Such exclusion for whatever reason applied to women and other ethnicities. The language the word writer is derived is white, the alphabet used to denote the word is a white derivative. So suffice it to say the coiners of the word writer simply chose not to be redundant.

I'm sure Jim Lee is seen as an Asian artist, an artist of Asian decent, an artist of color, a male artist, an XMen artist, a Batman artist and most likely doesn't deny any of then.

No argument is required regarding Priest's "non-commitment to the struggle and his people" as he himself would acknowledge the debt owed to those who marched for the civil rights and opportunities he now enjoys. I did not infer that Priest saw " black characters as inferior" however I did imply such. Inference is your thing. Here is my actual quote.
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"Look at the words...  "It's like he'd already had proven himself then they sent him back to the back of the bus." as if writing black characters is analogous to some kind of  segregative, second class citizenship. What is implied is that there is something inferior or inherently wrong with black characters."
Imply and infer are opposites, like a throw and a catch. To imply is to hint at something, but to infer is to make an educated guess.

Priest had other contemporaries like Dwayne McDuffie, Roger Barnes and Dwayne J. Ferguson all of whom decided to create and publish their own characters and comic books which in itself is the biggest, most iconic, liberating moves a writer wishing to write can do.

Technically speaking you express Priest's views better than he did. Unfortunately for this discussion Priest said what he said. "No. [Laughs] No, no, no. No, No. Seriously." to doing anymore Black Panther stories. He didn't say he wants to write the most iconic heroes in the industry. He said  "I’m so happy DC is letting me write white characters." He didn't write fan-fiction starring the white characters he so coveted. No he "stopped writing comics because all [he] was being offered were black characters. Now [he's] writing Justice League. Doesn’t get any whiter than that." Now just imagine the facial expression that accompanies such statements. Yea, un huh.

If the number of Afrakan (aka Black) characters were equal to and as popular as white characters I still could not cosign with clear conscious that Priest would choose to write Afrakan (aka Black) characters. Black Panther is about as popular as it gets and he still said "No. [Laughs] No, no, no. No, No. Seriously."

We'll just have to wait and see if Priest writing white raises his profile along with some monetary gains. His being proven veteran who for decades was given limited options in his field, based on the race of the characters and the color of his skin is not accurate. No argument about him being proven; but given limited options in his field was/is predicated on prejudice and racism and this speaks more true than there being something wrong with his skin color. It not ones skin color that is the problem it is the lust and evil in the heart of those who insecure and cowardly.

Your stating Priest choosing Deathstroke over Cyborg isn't settling is debatable but writing Deathstroke when you really want to write Batman and Ironman is. And if this more than likely leads him to writing his dream white characters then maybe he's still proving himself.

Black Panther is owned by a white company but it is the diligence and commitment of fans and enthusiast who share their thoughts, ideas and insight; the same fans and enthusiast who build online communities and fan-clubs that maintain the integrity and dignity of the Black Panther. and know this... we are respected for doing such.

In the end it was all in how he said things and for that he simply does not get a pass.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 21, 2017, 04:40:22 am
Ok...semantics aside with "imply" and "infer", with one being an educated guess and one "hinting" at something, which is often a manipulative ploy to cast someone in a certain light...whether you "implied" or "infered" it, it's still a pretty ugly and serious implication when no one actually said it.  I really don’t see the two as opposite...one just happens to be stronger than the other.  You “hint”, I make an “educated guess”...neither is fact.

I won't argue about BP's profile being raised with Hudlin this is true...though what I was referring to is the even greater amount of popularity he has now.

YOU brought up Miller and said Priest did for BP what Miller did for DD...I never mentioned Miller.  It's surprising you would bring up the argument that perhaps Miller had a greater impact after saying that.  For whatever reason, Miller certainly did.  However, I brought up more equal contemporaries of Priest's career such as Waid, Busiek, and David...Miller is on a whole other level as far as status.  The point is these three have been granted greater opportunities writing the bigger books in their career than Priest has while having similar statuses...Priest even brought David into this
So that's saying something.

Priest "said as much"?  There you go pulling meanings you choose to see out of people's words again....he never actually said "white means mainstream", however, in comics, the truth is most, nearly all, of the "mainstream" characters are white.  He has said before minority characters are a struggle to sell...something underscored by Cyborg and now Luke Cage being cancelled despite their pushes by their respective companies. This unfortinately is just the truth...but it doesn't mean that anyone is saying "white equals mainstream" in general. 

You say the intelligent, alternate strategy for Priest to take was to do what Claremont, Miller, Byrne, and Moore did for Xmen, DD, FF, and Swamp Thing...and then say Priest did that for BP.  No, he didn't.  He tried.  All of those examples equaled greater sales and profiles for those characters and their respective writers...that didn't really hapoen with Priest, unless we count "The Crew" as a game changing title for him. Priest often said BP still struggled when he was writing it and it was eventually cancelled.  He also tried with Falcon, who still struggles with sales.  Sam gets a boost from his association with Cap, however.  He has said before minority characters are harder to sell in this field...many examples such as this often and unfortunately just proves him right.

I won't get into the wordplay of defining the word writer...if we go by the racism of white supremacy and how you're explaining it, Priest or any of us may as well not call ourselves anything regarding a profession.  It's not that deep...the man sees himself as a writer and professionally, that's what he is, and doesnt want to be limited to just being a "black writer" and all that connotates.  The same way Jim Lee is not seen as an "Asian artist" and all that connotates.  Meaning both examples define the person by their race first and not their profession.  It also implies they only work majorly on things related to their race, something Lee hasn't been limited to but in some ways Priest has.

Yeah, he said no to Black Panther...vehemently. It can arguably be surmised that in whatever talks he's been having with Marvel that came up and he's not interested.  It also sounds like he had a not enjoyable experience dealing with racist fans and editorial interference while working on the character. He has nothing else to say with the character.  He already wrote him and thinks he now belongs to a new generation of writers like Coates. 

Plus, should he have a passion for the character when he doesn't?  Because he's black?  I'm saying right now, I'd be pissed if I went to DC as a writer and I expressed interest in writing Aquaman and they pushed Cyborg on me.  I have no interest in that character and yeah, I'd wonder if they gave him to me because he's black.  I might even take the Ray over him.  Lol...


Ive already said the man has some issues...the way he expresses himself regarding white characters and his thankfulness for DC "allowing" him to do so is embarrasing...but I'm not pulling out of that that he thinks black characters are inferior.  It's obvious the man has been treated a certain way in this field due to prejudice based upon race...which probably is the root of a lot of the questionable, and frankly embarrasing, ways he expresses himself on this.  But it's also fair to mention that he does include and write black characters into hia scripts...he brought in the new "black" Kid Flash and Powergirl into Deathstroke while also creating rhe analogue for BP Red Lion character.  He also created Quantum and Woody, a black and white buddy team where the white guy is the sidekick...so even hinting at him thinking black characters are inferior may be a stretch.

Also, i'm not sure what to pull out of the whole paragraph about somethimg being wrong with his skin color?  No one said anything is wrong with his skin color or that that is to blame.  You said prejudice and racism is the problem and I think that's what he's saying and has said and means when his opportunities are limited when he's only mostly given black characters to write.

Sure, Deathstroke could be seen as settling.  Batman and Iron Man are the ones he has the most desire to write, but jis recent statement is that he wants to write white characters..  And it also has lead to his now steward of Justice League...which is THE team book in DC featuring all of their biggest characters and it’s already raised his profile. Hardly nothing to sneeze at and by far is the biggest book he's been offered in his career.  To paraphrase his statement and make it more focused,  "you can't get any more MAINSTREAM than that". 

Though it is curious he would say "whiter" when there are currently three minorities on the team.

Yes BP is owned by a white company and fan clubs and online communites such as this exist to maintain the integrity and dignity of BP....but, and I'm not being ugly here,  how is that working in the realm of comics when many havent been totally satisfied with a BP comic since Hudlin left?  Maberry, and now currently, Coates?  The point is the company will do with the character what they will as it's not really answerable to the people.  Maybe the movie will change that.  But right now, the integrity and dignity of the character on the page is arguably being sullied by Coates.

I agree and said multiple times that the way Priest expressed himself is problematic and frankly embarrassing...the man has some issues or maybe he's just addle-brained.  I merely said saying, or implying, that he, or anyone, thinks black characters are inferior is a dangerous stretch.

And I don't think you should give him a pass for that, but I also dont think he, like Coates, cares or even notices either way.  Though personally?  I would appreciate the opportunity for the man to explain his statements further...

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 21, 2017, 08:51:07 pm
There were no semantics only the quotations of one Christopher J. Priest and an accurate assessment of the implications of his words. This is comic books no need for manipulative ploys. Priest's reasons for wanting to write white characters not withstanding  leaves gaping holes in any argument to assert his affinity for Afrakan (Black) characters. The true ugliness and most grievous implication is his rationale for not wanting to be just a "Black" writer. As you already know popularity waxes and wanes.

Actually Supreme Intelligence mentioned Miller in his Reply #399. You mentioned DD in the context of popularity in your  Reply #417 so it seemed relevant. I too bought up even more equal contemporaries of Priest's in my reply #439. For your perusal... "Priest had other contemporaries like Dwayne McDuffie, Roger Barnes and Dwayne J. Ferguson..."  Your point that  Waid, Busiek, and David have been granted greater opportunities writing the bigger books in their career than Priest  begs the question... why? Was it because they were white? Was it because they were better writers? Was it because the comic book industry is racist?  Was it because being "Black" genetically predisposed Priest to being late, lazy,  inclined to petty theft and smelling up the office with ribs and forties?      Say something.

I'm not pulling a chosen meaning, just simply stating an implication. Let do the math. You said " the truth is most, nearly all, of the "mainstream" characters are white." plus Priest saying (quoting you) "minority characters are a struggle to sell." results in "white equals mainstream." You said it.

You mentioned something about greater sales and profiles for those characters and their respective writers... Fact is Black Panther had better sales with Priest than any of his predecessors Kirby, McGregor, Gillis and he himself is more lauded for BP than any of his other works, not to mention it has taken him thus far. In honor of such Priest creates the Red Lion as a commemoration.

Afrakan (aka Black) characters aren't hard to sell, just look at the sales of BP under Hudlin and especially Coates. That cloying ode to victimization doesn't prove him right. On the contrary it proves that all an Afrakan (aka Black) character requires is promotion and marketing. Priest tried to sell to white boys when he should have went "Black." Look no further than Hudlin's success for further proof.

Being "Black is not a limitation. Being a "Black" writer is not limiting. The only limitations are the ones some Afrakans (aka Blacks) allow whites to impose on them. The elephant in the room is who decided that defining a person by their race first and not their profession implies they only work majorly on things related to their race? And by whose standard does this connote something undesirable? Because truth be told, without saying white first those working in many a chosen profession subscribe to white cultural admonition. White by default.

Yea but would you be pissed if they offered you Sandman? In his Afrakan incarnation. Yea, I went there.

"So even hinting at him thinking black characters are inferior may be a stretch." He writes "Black" sidekicks and an analogue "Black" supporting character as foil and fodder for the white, lead, main character; even saw the Black Panther as inferior and thus decided to write the tale of the king as seen through the eyes of a white character; and dare I say due to the lack of serious sale potential in writing "minorities" he decided that an inferior acting white sidekick was required to make the competent "Black" lead more marketable.  And somehow this is a stretch. Better call Reed. No inferiority complex here just a lot of pliability.

You said " fan clubs and online communities such as this exist to maintain the integrity and dignity of BP....but, and I'm not being ugly here,  how is that working in the realm of comics..." It is working damn well so far. Gay World of Wakanda  and the New Crew Review got cancelled; some impressive feats for BP in the pages of the Ultimates; respectful showings in Deadpool, Spider-man and the Hulk; Nnedi Okorafor writing Black Panther: Long Live the King online comic; Marvel brought McGregor, Priest and Hudlin back for the BP annual; and we got a mini series entitled Rise of the Black Panther by Evan Narcisse. Yea we workin'.

They notice. They notice so much that they have walls of text on their websites commenting on such. They notice so much that they shut down their Twitter accounts. They notice so much that they select the emails that don't criticize them. Yea they hear us, and we gettin' louder.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 22, 2017, 03:22:52 pm
We can both agree Priest isn't a revolutionary or nationalist or a man that committed to his people...I seriously dont think he even thinks along those lines, nor along the lines of thinking he's promoting the superiority of the white male. He's merely a writer that wants to write white characters because his whole career he's only mainly been offered black characters, simply because he's black.  This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however.  Though yes, I’ve said in my posts on this before that he seems, for whatever reason, overly preoccupied and embarrassingly thankful about writing “white” characters.

This statement (particularly your 2nd sentence) is actually quite damning, ironically supportive of Ture's position (and mine) despite being offered by you in rebuttal A.C.. We have never prospered from giving clever folks the benefit of the doubt because they didn't actually say we weren't as as good as, profitable enough or worthy.

"This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however." Yes, it absolutely does!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 23, 2017, 02:13:15 pm
We can both agree Priest isn't a revolutionary or nationalist or a man that committed to his people...I seriously dont think he even thinks along those lines, nor along the lines of thinking he's promoting the superiority of the white male. He's merely a writer that wants to write white characters because his whole career he's only mainly been offered black characters, simply because he's black.  This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however.  Though yes, I’ve said in my posts on this before that he seems, for whatever reason, overly preoccupied and embarrassingly thankful about writing “white” characters.

This statement (particularly your 2nd sentence) is actually quite damning, ironically supportive of Ture's position (and mine) despite being offered by you in rebuttal A.C.. We have never prospered from giving clever folks the benefit of the doubt because they didn't actually say we weren't as as good as, profitable enough or worthy.

"This doesn't mean he sees black characters as inferior, however." Yes, it absolutely does!

Peace,

Mont

Nah brah, it really doesn’t.  You’re doing the same thing Ture is doing, but at least with him he admits he’s implying.  You can read into and pull a statement apart and rearrange/add to it to fit the argument you want to make, but nowhere in that statement you highlighted does it support Ture’s argument or your stance.  Though at least Ture is saying he’s “implying”...you say it “absolutely” does means he thinks they’re inferior, and the only way you can say absolutely is if the man actually said that. 

Wanting white characters to be an option to you as a writer isn’t thinking black characters are inferior, or “not as good as, or worthy”, and calling out the fact that, as a writer, you’ve been offered mostly one demographic of characters for most of your career because it’s the demographic you belong to, (which is arguably racist or at least prejudiced) and no longer wanting to do just that one demographic, isn’t thinking they’re inferior.  It’s wanting that entire wheelhouse available to you, especially the bigger, more popular characters that, because of various reasons, happen to be white. Especially since your peers were offered that various times.  And of course it was because of racism...having read Priest along with David and others, their talent is no greater than his.  Matter of fact, he taught David how to plot and write better.

I’ve admitted already Priest needs to express himself better, but yeah, he can be given the “benefit of the doubt” when not only has he spent the better part of his career writing and in many cases elevating black characters (arguably still the best BP to date, despite the usage of Ross) but also addressing in his own way political and social issues regarding race and being black (he did this in his Panther run and his Power Man/Iron Fist run) and has not only used existing black characters in even his recent work on Deathstroke when he probably didn’t have to, but is using to a great extent the current black characters in JL while even introducing a new one and bringing in his Panther analogue Red Lion.

Plus, I doubt he’d be friends with Hudllin or work with Milestone if he thought black characters were inferior.

What some actually want is for Priest to be excitedly committed to writing black characters and elevating them in the ways Ture has expressed that some of his peers have done with other characters...and he’s tried and done that somewhat in the past...but he’s just not that guy for that anymore for possibly a number of reasons...one of which could be that that’s for the most part all he’s been offered his career.  We think as a black man he should be committed to that responsibility and WANT to write just the black characters, when he’s already done that.

THIS isn’t saying being “black” is a limitation or being a “black” writer is limiting as Ture felt the need to explain...actually, in the context of a profession, putting your race before your profession can be limiting not because being “black” is limiting, but being seen as a “black’ writer does strongly imply to people that you are qualified or interested in only writing about black characters and about the black experience.  This would be limiting if I wanted to write Aquaman or an episode of the HBO show “GIRLS”, because what’s implied is that, yes, I’m obviously black, but I only write about black characters and the black experience.  So I’m probably not being offered Aquaman or GIRLS, but Cyborg or “Empire” instead.  That doesn’t mean one “wouldn’t” write those characters, but it does imply that you can’t, or aren’t interested, in writing others.  And it doesn’t matter who or what “allows” who to impose this implication on them...most of these people, like Priest, work in industries where putting your race first defines not only you, but you’re output and interest. 

And yes, that same limitation would apply if white writers went by the term “white writer”...if Bendis called himself a “white writer”, many would think he was a Richard Spencer type who is only interested in writing about white people and the white experience.  But he’s obviously not since he not only elevated Luke Cage, but created Miles Morales.  Shonda Rhimes, arguably and currently the most powerful woman, maybe person, in television currently, doesn’t call herself a “black” writer, but she absolutely defines herself as black by race.  Yet she’s created shows featuring a diverse racial make-up (Grey’s Anatomy) and a very popular one centering on a black woman (Scandal)

 Coates for instance is seen as a “black intellectual” and is probably fine with that, but that’s because his work and his interest solely centers on race and being black and the black experience regarding social and political issues. Nothing else. Same with Cornel West. And at this point that’s what’s expected of them. But that’s not what Priest is or wants to be.  He wants to be a writer “in general”.  Nothing wrong with that.

As far as the ridiculous inference that anyone said being “Black” is limiting, that’s not what was said.  It’s a numbers game in that having mostly ONLY black characters available to you is limiting, especially when, for whatever reason, the most popular and iconic ones are white. This does not mean being black in itself is limiting. But if I enter a room with 60 people in it and 30 of them are black, and somehow I’m allowed to only talk to the ones who are black, that cuts me off from 30 other people I might be interested in talking to, when I could have all 60 available to talk to.  I get it though, in this metaphor, we want the person to be cool with and satisfied and even committed to only talking to the 30 people in the room who are black...we want Priest to be cool with and committed, as a black man, to writing and elevating only black characters for a number of reasons.  He isn’t though...he has done that and is still doing that and wants other choices that he’s into and probably even relates to just as much as blackness (the man is married to a white woman, so...)

As far as the profit thing, again, that’s not saying black characters are inferior, but because of a number of reasons, racism being one, black characters in comics with the big 2 haven’t and don’t sell as much as many white ones. He was just telling the truth on that. BP over the last decade just became A-list and a high-seller. He’s kinda the only one in Marvel or DC at this point.  Cyborg, despite an over decades push and membership in the JLA, still can’t keep a book.  Cage, who is enjoying a higher profile now than he ever has, also just got canceled...again. Falcon basically has to take over being Captain America and still struggles.  Can we name one black (or even minority or gay) hero in Marvel or DC that is a high-seller other than T’challa?

As for you Ture, 1) if Priest thought black characters were inferior, again, why would he use them at all when he doesn’t have to?  Black “sidekicks” and analogues aside, he does use, highlight, and even introduce black characters even in his current work writing white characters...hell, he even brought in a host of other black characters in his Panther run (Cage, Brother Voodoo, Falcon, Nightshade, Storm, QUEEN DIVINE JUSTICE, Vibraxis) and you’re being disingenuous about the Ross thing...again, nowhere did he say he used Ross because he thought Panther as a black character was inferior...he did say he wanted to attract white readers and we can argue/agree about the fallacy in that way of thinking...but this doesn’t mean he thought Panther was inferior. It means, from his experience, that black characters often aren’t as marketable to a greater number of readers. Again, even now there’s evidence of that. He also said he wanted to juxtapose a white character and use him as an analogue to show the stereotypical ways some white people see blacks, and make fun of it.  Along with wanting Panther to be more mysterious and not a guy who talked a lot...thus he had Ross for a narrator.  It would be hard to believe the guy actually though T’Challa was inferior with the respectful way he wrote him.

2) I would be pissed if they told me I could ONLY write Sandman in his African incarnation...though I’d be interested in writing an african story with him in that incarnation.

3) The Crew and WOW were just terrible....I can’t say the board was responsible for that ending,  and didn’t Coates himself bring on these other writers like Narcisse and so forth?  Many don’t seem too impressed with Nnedi.  Isn’t it just as arguable that Panther is getting this much more story and attention due to the movie?  Or that other writers just like him?  I’m just as happy for the attention but come on...also, if you’re referring to Coates taking down his twitter, he did that because of the argument with West and the fact Richard Spencer came on his feed commenting about it, not because of Black Panther fans.  I’m sure he’s reacted to and notice quite a few fans don’t like what he’s doing, but he’s somehow still on the book and getting, still, a certain level of critical acclaim for it.  I don’t see it personally because I don’t like what he’s doing in the book either...but there it is.

This is the last post I’ll react to as we could go in circles for months guessing, implying, and inferring what Priest thinks or doesn’t think about race and black characters...I’m just saying for various reasons, there’s plenty of room for doubt when implying that he thinks black characters, or even people, are inferior.

CHEERS.








Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 23, 2017, 02:49:00 pm
I think the thing to remember is that, by the time Priest left Panther, he was 44 years old.  He'd been fighting for legitimacy as a writer in the field for literally decades, and had seen other writers of his generation (including some HE HIRED as an editor) gain critical and popular acclaim while he was best known for "The Priest Curse".

He wasn't the angry young man Larry Hama hired back in the 70's.  He was trying to make a living, and like McDuffie, had discovered that he was trapped by a cage he didn't even know was there.  (Read Dwayne's last HARDWARE story in MILESTONE FOREVER.  And then read between the lines)

Would Priest have liked to raise the profile of black characters?  I'm sure he would have.  But he also needed to make a living, and when he was regularly frozen out of writing the A List characters that could make his career... he quit.  Because sometimes, the only way to win is not to play.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 23, 2017, 03:11:42 pm
I think the thing to remember is that, by the time Priest left Panther, he was 44 years old.  He'd been fighting for legitimacy as a writer in the field for literally decades, and had seen other writers of his generation (including some HE HIRED as an editor) gain critical and popular acclaim while he was best known for "The Priest Curse".

He wasn't the angry young man Larry Hama hired back in the 70's.  He was trying to make a living, and like McDuffie, had discovered that he was trapped by a cage he didn't even know was there.  (Read Dwayne's last HARDWARE story in MILESTONE FOREVER.  And then read between the lines)

Would Priest have liked to raise the profile of black characters?  I'm sure he would have.  But he also needed to make a living, and when he was regularly frozen out of writing the A List characters that could make his career... he quit.  Because sometimes, the only way to win is not to play.

Good points all, Peter David was one writer he hired as an editor that went on to be offered major characters.  I’ll also add that in many ways, Priest DID raise the profile of some black characters...I don’t think we’d be with Panther where we are today if he didn’t write him in the great way he did...but also other than monetary gain, if you’ve been a writer and a comics fan for the greater part of your life...why wouldn’t you want to work on those major, iconic characters?  Again, Priest needs to explain himself better, even I have issues with HOW he said what he said, but it doesn’t necessarily indicate what’s being implied to on here.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 23, 2017, 04:21:40 pm
Let's cut to the chase and skip all the attempts at rationalization.  There is no bigger fan of what CJP did with BP than me.  As such, I was aware of what his opinion of Black Panther was from jump.  He stated it openly, clearly seeing him as an inferior character, but with convincing he took the job anyway and more than did the character justice.  I do not presume to tell you what he thinks, but please explain to me, real talk, how he could not "see" the black characters he's helmed as inferior when he "sees" writing white characters as the only way to advance/legitimize his career as a comics writer?

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 23, 2017, 05:27:18 pm
Let's cut to the chase and skip all the attempts at rationalization.  There is no bigger fan of what CJP did with BP than me.  As such, I was aware of what his opinion of Black Panther was from jump.  He stated it openly, clearly seeing him as an inferior character, but with convincing he took the job anyway and more than did the character justice.  I do not presume to tell you what he thinks, but please explain to me, real talk, how he could not "see" the black characters he's helmed as inferior when he "sees" writing white characters as the only way to advance/legitimize his career as a comics writer?

Peace,

Mont

I’m gonna respond to this one last post and then bounce...though I’m not sure you’re reading because the answer to your question was stated, at least twice, in my last post and the one before that.

First, the implication never was that Priest saw Black Panther as an “inferior” character BECAUSE he’s black...when he took him on duriing the beginning of the Marvel Knights stuff, he indicated he wanted Daredevil and he gave clear reasons why he wasn’t necessarily into it at first...and none of it was because he’s black.  He said, before he actually revamped the character, that he was dull.  He didn’t have a “witty speech pattern, bub”, that he was the guy at the back of the Avengers photo who on missions said “a huge monster...Thor, go get him!”  The point is, at the time he took him, as far as how he’d been used, his popularity status, the abilities he thus far had showed, and his world...compared to Daredevil and  the more popular Marvel characters?  He kinda was dull.   This didn’t have anything to do with his race, though. Now, Priest himself went into how this was a result of how Panther had been “misused” or ignored since his first appearance. And it took a creative person with vision and going back to how the character was originally introduced to make him “cool” again...but the truth is if a writer just wanted to jump onto a character that was already cool and popular at the time...Panther was not it.  NOW he is.  If you want to use the word “inferior” (Priest never did, even in this last interview regarding white characters) you can, but he was only “inferior” in terms of his at the time lack of development, popularity, and showings.

 For one, when did Priest say it was the “only way?”  But real talk? How many white characters keep their own series going as opposed to the fewer black ones in the big 2?  How many of the A-List characters, the most iconic, are white as opposed to black?  Right now you have BP as an A-list character holding down his own series...how many other black characters right now are on that level and doing the same, or the same as Batman, Cap, Superman, or even Deathstroke?  Again, despite the huge push by DC, Cyborg is cancelled again...along with Cage at Marvel.  It’s not seeing them as “inferior”, but it’s a numbers game...and unfortunately due to a number of reasons, racism being one of them, there’s a far larger stable of white characters that are A-list that can advance any writer’s profile, than there are black ones.  Currently right now there’s only one. David Walker worked on both Cyborg and Cage, both are canceled, and it arguably hasn’t raised his profile or advanced him as a comics writer.  Even Panther after Priest was given to two writers with already high media profiles outside of comics (Hudlin and Priest) which arguably helped raise Panther’s status instead of the opposite happening.

Priest himself worked on Panther, it was canceled eventually, and then the Crew, also cancelled.  It still didn’t raise his profile all that much nor was he offered, still, any of the characters he wanted.

But being given a high-profile character/book like JL?  Especially if you do well on it?  Tom King is seen as a superstar writer now due to his work on BATMAN...the same happened with Scott Snyder.  Priest’s status has already been raised higher than it was before just by being assigned Justice League, according to how it’s being talked about on sites.  It’s not about “seeing” them as inferior, but the truth still stands that most of the black characters aren’t highly popular or A-list enough to raise one’s status as quickly as many of the white ones are.  That’s not “seeing” them as inferior, the truth is just that they aren’t game changers for a writer’s career the way many of the white ones are.

Now, yeah, as Ture suggested before...a writer like Priest can commit himself to raising the status of the black characters in the comics...but like Beware of Geek said, dude was 44 when he left Panther...maybe 40 when he started.  He was already a veteran.  Take race out of it, a newcomer like Kevin Smith gets offered the more popular DD while a veteran like him gets, at the time, the less popular BP?  How does that look?  I’m sure David Walker may have committed himself to that, and look how it’s turning out for him.

Not saying it shouldn’t or can’t be done, but Priest wanting opportunities creatively and professionally to write white characters, especially while many of them are more popular, and can raise his profile, after years, decades even, of being denied them while he DID work on black characters...is a practical choice. Not a “they’re inferior” viewpoint
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 23, 2017, 07:30:58 pm
For the record, I misspoke.  Priest was 44 when he left CAPTAIN AMERICA & FALCON (and comics in general) not PANTHER.  He was born in 1961.  He started in comics as an intern when he was 17, and joined editorial a year later.  He was the first African-American editor at Marvel, AND at DC.  He may have been the first black writer at the Big Two (I've seen some argument regarding that).  He hired Peter David.  He helped discover Joe freakin' Quesada.  He was the "fifth Beatle" at MILESTONE.

And now, almost FORTY YEARS LATER, after dealing with casual racism and editors who did not want him to succeed (ask him about BATMAN PLUS XERø sometime), he's finally getting a little respect.

If you ask me, he's done plenty for black characters and black creators.  I think he's perfectly within his rights to think about himself, now.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 23, 2017, 07:37:09 pm
To A.C.

All of which to say..."That’s not “seeing” them as inferior, the truth is just that they aren’t game changers for a writer’s career the way many of the white ones are." or so you say?  I'm not sure how you know the way Priest sees things, but it all sounds like little more than semantics.

Not that he has to want to come back to BP, but why trash the idea so publicly?  If BP is "cool" now and has significant juice to aid a writer's career, than why categorically, vehemently rule out ever returning to write BP, yet gush over the use of Ross, the inclusion of Ross and the true import of Ross in the critically acclaimed run that actually did raise your profile and cred as a writer in the industry? 

These are tough questions for me to ask.  I truly am a fan of the work that revived BP/T'Challa and Wakanda.  However, I'm far to old and experienced to allow anyone to piss on my shoes and try to convince me it's raining.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 23, 2017, 10:00:11 pm
To A.C.

All of which to say..."That’s not “seeing” them as inferior, the truth is just that they aren’t game changers for a writer’s career the way many of the white ones are." or so you say?  I'm not sure how you know the way Priest sees things, but it all sounds like little more than semantics.

Not that he has to want to come back to BP, but why trash the idea so publicly?  If BP is "cool" now and has significant juice to aid a writer's career, than why categorically, vehemently rule out ever returning to write BP, yet gush over the use of Ross, the inclusion of Ross and the true import of Ross in the critically acclaimed run that actually did raise your profile and cred as a writer in the industry? 

These are tough questions for me to ask.  I truly am a fan of the work that revived BP/T'Challa and Wakanda.  However, I'm far to old and experienced to allow anyone to piss on my shoes and try to convince me it's raining.

Peace,

Mont

I'm not sure how you know the way Priest sees things either, since you "absolutely" believe he sees black characters as inferior.  Despite the man never saying that.

I can't help but respond once more, because you really seem to be just reacting to that interview on an emotional level  and not looking at it practically or logically.  These may be tough questions to ask, but you're dismissing the tough answers as "semantics".

And please don't quote someone out of context.  It's really a disservice...The "game changers" line about many of the white characters being such had more context to it than you're highlighting, with practical reasons underscoring it. And I said RACISM obviously had some things to do with it.  If you're going to argue, look at the qhole argument and not just one line you choose to focus on. 

The truth is, the more popular, high-selling, high profile characters in comics right now are mostly white. This is just the truth. Can you prove otherwise?

Again, Kimoyo, please name 5 black characters in comics besides BP right now that are carrying their own title long term. And not legacy characters or ones propped up partially by association with a more popular character.

 Name 5 besides BP that are as recognizable or popular in the mainstream as Batman, Iron Man, Captain America, Flash, Superman, Spider-Man, etc....

These questions are rhetorical.  I dont expect you to answer them and dont think you can honestly.

But do you actually think being given Batman or Spider Man or Wolverine to write isn't going to raise a writer's profile higher than Cage or Black Lightning? There's a reason BP, now, is the ONLY option you have to point to in your argument regarding characters that are high profile in comics.. 

It's not semantics.  It's just the truth...though I understand why the answers are tough to digest.  But again, doesn't mean anyone thinks they're inferior.  The man's been doing this for decades with little as far as high profile work and success to show for it...why would he want another Cyborg or Cage situation like Walker has now?

I think Martian Manhunter is a great character.  I also understand he's been harder to sell as a solo character and doesnt have the higher profile as Superman does..  Doesn't mean I think he's "inferior" though.  Even if he can't keep a title.

Lastly, I understand why some would be disappointed about Priest not really wantng to return to BP, but he didn't trash the idea.  You act like he said, "Nah, f*ck that guy...never."  He said no rather vehemently, and he said he'd have no idea what to do with the character now.  Does he have to think he's inferior because he's not interested in writing him?  Is it wrong that he's interested in other books he's being offered that can and has raised his profile, ones he hasn't written already?

Ross is a character he actually created, and he obviously relates to and has fondness for.  Understandable.

And though his work.on BP was deservedly critically acclaimed, it didn't sell enough to keep going...and it didn't raise his profile enough that he was able to get the offers he wanted at the time. STILL.  He was told to write " the Crew" after Panther.  The Crew.

These arent semantics...they're facts.  Unfortunate as some of them are. 

Again, CHEERS.

 

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 23, 2017, 10:10:34 pm
For the record, I misspoke.  Priest was 44 when he left CAPTAIN AMERICA & FALCON (and comics in general) not PANTHER.  He was born in 1961.  He started in comics as an intern when he was 17, and joined editorial a year later.  He was the first African-American editor at Marvel, AND at DC.  He may have been the first black writer at the Big Two (I've seen some argument regarding that).  He hired Peter David.  He helped discover Joe freakin' Quesada.  He was the "fifth Beatle" at MILESTONE.

And now, almost FORTY YEARS LATER, after dealing with casual racism and editors who did not want him to succeed (ask him about BATMAN PLUS XERø sometime), he's finally getting a little respect.

If you ask me, he's done plenty for black characters and black creators.  I think he's perfectly within his rights to think about himself, now.

Again, great points.  People.seem to dismiss that the man is a decades long veteran in this field that HAS worked on black characters during his tenure...and never recieved the high profile or level of respect in the industry that got him the offers he wanted...while many of his peers, some he even hired as you've stated...went on to greater successes and having a wider array of characters who yes, are mostly white, open to them.

Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 24, 2017, 07:26:19 am
Look A.C. facts are indeed facts, but semantics are what you are using to color your argument to support your point of view.  Your welcome to it, I don't need to convince you otherwise.  I also don't need you to school me on proper debate etiquette or scholarly support of an argument for this forum.  Your comments are well established and recorded recently in this post, all of which is ready context.  I'm not one for reposting whole pages of text just posted to emphasize a point. What I used is excerpted from what you wrote, appropriately attributed to you and in context for this discussion thread.  I read the whole "argument" I don't need to repost it.

Your "...name 5 black characters in comics..." rhetorical pop quiz is frankly a patronizing attempt to marginalize an opposition point of view; and yes, more semantics.  Of course I can't name those characters.  Nor could you.  It's a smokescreen, the Mcguffin to this story.  I don't begrudge Priest's desire to write a range of characters or further his career.  However, his comments only help to further marginalize minority characters who are important to significant albeit minority fan base.

I don't presume to know what Priest thinks I can only respond to what he's said which perhaps we can simply agree was disturbing?  Whether or not that is so, I remain appreciative of much of what he did with BP despite what I consider a rather irreverent approach by Priest to moving on.

Peace be with you through the holidays and into the new year!

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 24, 2017, 10:56:36 am
Curiously, and this isn't in reply to anyone necessarily (sorry Kimoyo, I haven't even read your last reply) because like I said before, we could go in circles for months like this, but I've been looking at this other recent Priest interview off of Bleeding Cool due to this debate, and it’s a lot of info and a far superior interview...and...in quotes:

"CP: No, I’ve done everything with Black Panther other than turn him into like a fry cook. I can’t imagine what story I would write. Marvel did call me last year and floated that idea of me returning to Black Panther and I graciously declined and said you need some fresh ideas and some fresh people.

I think they made some brilliant choices. I’m looking forward to great things from Mr. [Ta-Nehisi] Coates and how that’s going to work. But no, I couldn’t imagine what I would write with Black Panther.

What I would like to do is, I would like to write a Black Panther novel, a prose novel. I’d like to take that opening arc – that whole ‘The Client’ arc – and turn that into a book. But Marvel, they do some prose books, but not a lot. DC is probably more open to that sort of idea then Marvel is, so I don’t know. But that I’d do, if that was a possibility."

So, he said no because he feels he's done everything he can with BP and that the character needs some fresh ideas and fresh people working on it.  He did say however he'd be interested in doing a BP prose novel.  How does this sound like he's disrespecting the character or thinks he's inferior?

Then there's this:

"CP: DC reached out to me when they were building this ‘Rebirth’ thing and they were re-staffing and they were making some changes and they were looking for new writers and things. One of the editors called me and offered me Cyborg and I politely turned them down because I don’t want to be limited to ONLY writing characters of color."

That’s all that has been offered to me for 8 or 9 years or however long it’s been. At the convention here people have been coming up to me and saying “glad to have you back” – but I don’t think I ever left! It wasn’t like I was refusing to write comics – it was that they wouldn’t offer me anything that wasn’t a character of color"

"ONLY characters of color..." now...how does this imply that the man thinks black characters are "inferior" ?  He didn't say he doesn't want to write black characters, he said he doesn't want ONLY to write black, or "of color" characters.  And that's all he's been offered in the last 8 or 9 years.  That's why he left.  He's supposed to be cool with it when his options are being limited from him in his profession?

This interview reads and explains itself far better than the one where he supposedly was going on about white characters...it's possible he was trying to be sardonic or funny.  Either way it was a bit off, but this interview explains his points better.  I wish people had quoted him from this interview.

To Beware of Geek's point also, as far as his contribution to black characters...as Jim Owsley, Priest was the one who got Luke Cage to stop talking like a blaxploitation cartoon along with giving the character some depth and maturity....while also getting the Falcon, whom with a master's degree, wouldn't be talking in stereotypical street jive the way he was before, to actually speak like an educated black man.

Funny thing is?  The white staffers at Marvel told him he didn't know how to write black characters because of this.  The nerve, huh?

This doesn't sound like a guy who thinks black characters are inferior...just one who's tired of being offered ONLY one demographic of characters.  And his point he's made before about black characters being harder to sell in this industry is proven through his own experience, history, and even currently.  Again, outside of BP right now no other black character is a high seller or high profile.  And he even said his BP run is only popular now because of the huge media push the character has gotten in the last decade or so...starting with Hudlin...a man who has huge media connections and used them.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 25, 2017, 02:31:45 am
Dear Black People,

I was so excited. This was it, I thought: I was finally gonna get my dream shot. I was finally gonna get a chance to write DAREDEVIL. I was a little horrified when the words "Black" and "Panther" came out of Joe's mouth. I mean, Black Panther? Who reads Black Panther? He had no witty speech pattern. His supporting cast was a bunch of soul brothers in diapers with bones through their noses.Black Panther?! The guy with no powers? The guy in the back of the Avengers class photo... No, PANTHER was not the move. Also, Panther was a black super-hero and, the most basic economic lesson this business can teach you is, minorities and female super-heroes do not sell.

Ultimately, for me, it came down to one basic stipulation: BLACK PANTHER could not be a "black" book. The problem with race and popular media is, in most every "black" movie or "black" music CD you'll see or hear, there is some hostility directed towards whites. Now, were I a white male, I certainly wouldn't want to spend eight bucks to go see a film where white males are portrayed as stupid and are the butt of every joke, or where I am made to feel guilty about things I had nothing to do with, or prejudices I don't actually have. That's my pet peeve with a lot of black film and black comedians: it's all White People Bashing, fueled by our race's legacy of anger and resentment of centuries-old unreparated wrongs.

Christopher J. Priest
June, 2001



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I quit comics in 1988 and trained as a bus driver. I used to drive those big Greyhound coaches out of New York Port Authority and down to Princeton New Jersey. It was, hands down, the best job I ever had and I profoundly regret having left it. I kept that job the entire time I was on staff at DC Comics in the ’90s. I had seniority by then and could choose a split shift that allowed me to drive the bus into the city in the morning, go to my day job, and drive the bus out in the evening. Visitors to DC Comics in those days would routinely see me dressed in my bus driver’s uniform. Which is way more than anyone ever wanted to know about me.
[url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url] ([url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url])


Here's where it gets interesting.

Quote
Thirty years ago (February 1987), artist M.D. Bright and I produced a comic titled Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. It sold a bajillion copies, and we both thought, well, this is it, here we go: we’re in, now. But the office ramble was, “Well, anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine.” And I agree with that.

Now, with due modesty, it was some of the best writing of my career. It was a very, very strong piece of work and is now an expensive collector’s item. But Marvel never offered Mark and I a sequel. And, when we pitched a sequel, we were soundly turned down. Why? Because we were not considered “name” talent. “Name” talent equates with big sales. Well, we sold half a million comic books, but then they had another excuse—anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine—so we were still not “Names.” If it sounds like whining, that’s because it is.
[url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url] ([url]http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/[/url])



Inferior (in·fe·ri·or) - lower in rank, status, or quality. a person lower than another in rank, status, or ability. synonyms: second-class, lesser, lower in status, lower-ranking, subordinate, second-fiddle, minor


"the bigger, more popular characters that, because of various reasons, happen to be white." There's no happenstance. These bigger, more popular characters were thoughtfully created, purposefully designed and introduced to be white.

"Especially since your peers were offered that various times." White peers. Which may mean they weren't perceived as equal peers. Perhaps Priest was judged as a peer inferior or may not have been seen as peer at at.

"Plus, I doubt he’d be friends with Hudllin or work with Milestone if he thought black characters were inferior." Friendship aside he would if needed the money or was a Black apologist with a penchant to deride Afrakan (aka Black) people's reaction to racism.

If "Priest is not excitedly committed to writing black characters and elevating them in the ways Ture has expressed that some of his peers have done with other characters" so be it. If Priest wants to continue deconstructing the paramountcy he infused into the Black Panther  revealing more of his true  motivations, that is his choice.  However doing such will leave him open to criticism.

"We think as a black man he should be committed to that responsibility and WANT to write just the black characters, when he’s already done that." By your assessment he is still doing such.


"THIS isn’t saying being “black” is a limitation or being a “black” writer is limiting as Ture felt the need to explain...actually, in the context of a profession, putting your race before your profession can be limiting not because being “black” is limiting, but being seen as a “black’ writer does strongly imply to people that you are qualified or interested in only writing about black characters and about the black experience."  In other words being "Black" isn't limiting but being seen as a “Black" is.

"This would be limiting if I wanted to write an episode of the HBO show “GIRLS”, because what’s implied is that, yes, I’m obviously black, but I only write about black characters and the black experience." [SIDEBAR] Interestingly enough with all this forced inclusion, when a white writer (sans the adjective) writes of her experiences living in NYC and doesn't represent so called people of color she is criticized for being inaccurate or racist as in the case of HBO's “GIRLS”. You see that is what so called white supremacy and so called white privilege (TERMS I'M ONLY USING IN CONTEXT FOR THIS RESPONSE) does for a white person. She doesn't just see color she focuses in on one. The one color she most readily identifies with and is obviously most experienced with and not ashamed to express it unabashedly. However there are some "Blacks" ready to show her the full spectrum they believe she somehow managed to avoid. [SIDEBAR CONCLUDED]

Spike Lee absolutely defines himself as "Black" by race;  has no problem being called a "Black" writer or "Black" director; has produced movies with diverse racial types (Jungle Fever, Summer of Sam and Oldboy)  and has a popular tv show centering on a black woman (She's Gotta Have It).

I am fully aware of how some whites and some other ethnicities attempt to marginalize and co opt the term Black, none the less it is our responsibility to prevent them from achieving such. Einstein isn't a genius he is a white, Jewish genius. Just try disconnecting him from his  Jewish heritage and white ancestry.


If you are in a room with 60 people and 30 of them are "Black" and somehow only the "Black" ones talk to you but you desire a conversation with the remaining 30 but can't get a dialogue going because they don't want to engage with you, it is incorrect to criticize, insult and try to place the blame of those 30 other people not speaking with you on the "Blacks" who willingly conversed with you.  While it is true that you are cut off from the 30 other people you might also find yourself ignored by the 30 "Black" people, leaving you with no one to talk to. No, I'm afraid  you don't get the metaphor. There is no want for being cool with and satisfied and even committed to only talking to the 30 "Black"people in the room... just know there will be no acceptance of criticism, insult or tolerance of your lusting for the other 30.

As far as the profit thing, Afrakan (aka Black) characters can easily sell as well if not better than their white counterparts provided they are promoted and marketed correctly.

"How could Priest see "Black" characters as inferior and still write them?" Because as a victim of racism his visceral insecurities mandate he ingratiate himself to the perpetrators of said racism in an attempt to win favor, acceptance and validation.

If he didn't see the Black Panther as being inferior why the need to use Ross? We know conclusively that even with Ross the book was on the perpetual cancellation list according to Priest. Add to the fact BP highest sales came without the so touted need of a white face to sell the book. Hudlin did it and Coates went all "Black" all the way to number one.

Interesting, why the preference of Gothic Sandman over Afrakan Sandman when they both have the same powers and ability?

Not "the board", the diligence and commitment of fans and enthusiast who share their thoughts, ideas and insight; the same fans and enthusiast who build online communities and fan-clubs. We helped bring an end to that nonsense and will continue to do so. Narcisse and  Nnedi or whomever we stand at the ready keypads in position. Wakanda Forever. FYI, Coatess shut down his Twitter account once before during or near the conclusion of season one.

This is why the argument in defense of Priest falls on its face. He didn't emphasize the most complex, intriguing, nuanced, flawed, conflicted or challenged characters, he emphatically overstated white. Purposefully and with all intent on meaning what he said. Inferring otherwise and reading between the lines while willfully ignoring the implications is a grave error.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Salustrade on December 25, 2017, 06:58:12 am
Dear Black People,

I was so excited. This was it, I thought: I was finally gonna get my dream shot. I was finally gonna get a chance to write DAREDEVIL. I was a little horrified when the words "Black" and "Panther" came out of Joe's mouth. I mean, Black Panther? Who reads Black Panther? He had no witty speech pattern. His supporting cast was a bunch of soul brothers in diapers with bones through their noses.Black Panther?! The guy with no powers? The guy in the back of the Avengers class photo... No, PANTHER was not the move. Also, Panther was a black super-hero and, the most basic economic lesson this business can teach you is, minorities and female super-heroes do not sell.

Ultimately, for me, it came down to one basic stipulation: BLACK PANTHER could not be a "black" book. The problem with race and popular media is, in most every "black" movie or "black" music CD you'll see or hear, there is some hostility directed towards whites. Now, were I a white male, I certainly wouldn't want to spend eight bucks to go see a film where white males are portrayed as stupid and are the butt of every joke, or where I am made to feel guilty about things I had nothing to do with, or prejudices I don't actually have. That's my pet peeve with a lot of black film and black comedians: it's all White People Bashing, fueled by our race's legacy of anger and resentment of centuries-old unreparated wrongs.

Christopher J. Priest
June, 2001



Quote
I quit comics in 1988 and trained as a bus driver. I used to drive those big Greyhound coaches out of New York Port Authority and down to Princeton New Jersey. It was, hands down, the best job I ever had and I profoundly regret having left it. I kept that job the entire time I was on staff at DC Comics in the ’90s. I had seniority by then and could choose a split shift that allowed me to drive the bus into the city in the morning, go to my day job, and drive the bus out in the evening. Visitors to DC Comics in those days would routinely see me dressed in my bus driver’s uniform. Which is way more than anyone ever wanted to know about me.
http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/ (http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/)


Here's where it gets interesting.

Quote
Thirty years ago (February 1987), artist M.D. Bright and I produced a comic titled Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. It sold a bajillion copies, and we both thought, well, this is it, here we go: we’re in, now. But the office ramble was, “Well, anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine.” And I agree with that.

Now, with due modesty, it was some of the best writing of my career. It was a very, very strong piece of work and is now an expensive collector’s item. But Marvel never offered Mark and I a sequel. And, when we pitched a sequel, we were soundly turned down. Why? Because we were not considered “name” talent. “Name” talent equates with big sales. Well, we sold half a million comic books, but then they had another excuse—anybody can sell a bajillion copies of a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine—so we were still not “Names.” If it sounds like whining, that’s because it is.
http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/ (http://observer.com/2017/12/writer-christopher-priest-on-his-first-justice-league-comic-for-dc/)



Inferior (in·fe·ri·or) - lower in rank, status, or quality. a person lower than another in rank, status, or ability. synonyms: second-class, lesser, lower in status, lower-ranking, subordinate, second-fiddle, minor


"the bigger, more popular characters that, because of various reasons, happen to be white." There's no happenstance. These bigger, more popular characters were thoughtfully created, purposefully designed and introduced to be white.

"Especially since your peers were offered that various times." White peers. Which may mean they weren't perceived as equal peers. Perhaps Priest was judged as a peer inferior or may not have been seen as peer at at.

"Plus, I doubt he’d be friends with Hudllin or work with Milestone if he thought black characters were inferior." Friendship aside he would if needed the money or was a Black apologist with a penchant to deride Afrakan (aka Black) people's reaction to racism.

If "Priest is not excitedly committed to writing black characters and elevating them in the ways Ture has expressed that some of his peers have done with other characters" so be it. If Priest wants to continue deconstructing the paramountcy he infused into the Black Panther  revealing more of his true  motivations, that is his choice.  However doing such will leave him open to criticism.

"We think as a black man he should be committed to that responsibility and WANT to write just the black characters, when he’s already done that." By your assessment he is still doing such.


"THIS isn’t saying being “black” is a limitation or being a “black” writer is limiting as Ture felt the need to explain...actually, in the context of a profession, putting your race before your profession can be limiting not because being “black” is limiting, but being seen as a “black’ writer does strongly imply to people that you are qualified or interested in only writing about black characters and about the black experience."  In other words being "Black" isn't limiting but being seen as a “Black" is.

"This would be limiting if I wanted to write an episode of the HBO show “GIRLS”, because what’s implied is that, yes, I’m obviously black, but I only write about black characters and the black experience." [SIDEBAR] Interestingly enough with all this forced inclusion, when a white writer (sans the adjective) writes of her experiences living in NYC and doesn't represent so called people of color she is criticized for being inaccurate or racist as in the case of HBO's “GIRLS”. You see that is what so called white supremacy and so called white privilege (TERMS I'M ONLY USING IN CONTEXT FOR THIS RESPONSE) does for a white person. She doesn't just see color she focuses in on one. The one color she most readily identifies with and is obviously most experienced with and not ashamed to express it unabashedly. However there are some "Blacks" ready to show her the full spectrum they believe she somehow managed to avoid. [SIDEBAR CONCLUDED]

Spike Lee absolutely defines himself as "Black" by race;  has no problem being called a "Black" writer or "Black" director; has produced movies with diverse racial types (Jungle Fever, Summer of Sam and Oldboy)  and has a popular tv show centering on a black woman (She's Gotta Have It).

I am fully aware of how some whites and some other ethnicities attempt to marginalize and co opt the term Black, none the less it is our responsibility to prevent them from achieving such. Einstein isn't a genius he is a white, Jewish genius. Just try disconnecting him from his  Jewish heritage and white ancestry.


If you are in a room with 60 people and 30 of them are "Black" and somehow only the "Black" ones talk to you but you desire a conversation with the remaining 30 but can't get a dialogue going because they don't want to engage with you, it is incorrect to criticize, insult and try to place the blame of those 30 other people not speaking with you on the "Blacks" who willingly conversed with you.  While it is true that you are cut off from the 30 other people you might also find yourself ignored by the 30 "Black" people, leaving you with no one to talk to. No, I'm afraid  you don't get the metaphor. There is no want for being cool with and satisfied and even committed to only talking to the 30 "Black"people in the room... just know there will be no acceptance of criticism, insult or tolerance of your lusting for the other 30.

As far as the profit thing, Afrakan (aka Black) characters can easily sell as well if not better than their white counterparts provided they are promoted and marketed correctly.

"How could Priest see "Black" characters as inferior and still write them?" Because as a victim of racism his visceral insecurities mandate he ingratiate himself to the perpetrators of said racism in an attempt to win favor, acceptance and validation.

If he didn't see the Black Panther as being inferior why the need to use Ross? We know conclusively that even with Ross the book was on the perpetual cancellation list according to Priest. Add to the fact BP highest sales came without the so touted need of a white face to sell the book. Hudlin did it and Coates went all "Black" all the way to number one.

Interesting, why the preference of Gothic Sandman over Afrakan Sandman when they both have the same powers and ability?

Not "the board", the diligence and commitment of fans and enthusiast who share their thoughts, ideas and insight; the same fans and enthusiast who build online communities and fan-clubs. We helped bring an end to that nonsense and will continue to do so. Narcisse and  Nnedi or whomever we stand at the ready keypads in position. Wakanda Forever. FYI, Coatess shut down his Twitter account once before during or near the conclusion of season one.

This is why the argument in defense of Priest falls on its face. He didn't emphasize the most complex, intriguing, nuanced, flawed, conflicted or challenged characters, he emphatically overstated white. Purposefully and with all intent on meaning what he said. Inferring otherwise and reading between the lines while willfully ignoring the implications is a grave error.



Well said Ture.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 25, 2017, 09:14:42 am
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend.  But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:

http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html (http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html)
http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html (http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html)

Three years later, he retired from comics.  Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:

http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/ (http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/)


Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 25, 2017, 09:54:24 am
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend.  But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:

[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url])
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url])

Three years later, he retired from comics.  Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:

[url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url])


Geeze.  Thanks for posting this.

I remember scanning through this before some time ago...but now reading it in detail and in context to what he’s saying now and what’s being said about him on here now....wow.  The guy paid some dues. Very thoughtful and eloquently stated.  And the opening line regarding how he and Mark Waid aren’t really that different and Waid never being asked about the “race thing” while Priest always is...and Waid making more money, getting bigger opportunities, and all...it’s not only underscoring what I stated earlier about him and his peers who are white, but telling to how he, in some ways, is the way he is now.  Again, Priest definitely has his issues, but I find it hard to believe anyone looking at this from an unbiased and intellectually thoughtful standpoint would come up with the simple, reactionary conclusion that the man thinks blacks, or black characters, are inferior.  Especially with everything he’s done and moreso, endured.  At some point some people just want to be seen, and reacted to, as a person.  Not necessarily a representative of a demographic.

And again, in case it wasn’t seen, he said to bleeding cool he’d be interested in working on a BP prose novel if Marvel were to do such a thing...just not the comic anymore.

CHEERS
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 25, 2017, 10:08:11 am
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend.  But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:

[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips1.html[/url])
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url])

Three years later, he retired from comics.  Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:

[url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url])


The first link gives a 404 error
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Beware Of Geek on December 25, 2017, 10:14:34 am
My bad, here's the right link:

http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html (http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html)
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ture on December 25, 2017, 11:46:50 am
First and Foremost...

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to all at the HEF.

Secondly, a proper shout out and thank you  Brother Saustrade.

I think those who engaged in this discourse did more than give opinions. In fact there quotations and references stated throughout. I was appreciative that the conversation stayed centered on Priest and that there were no personal attacks or slurs lobbed at anyone for contributing to this discussion. Now we all know AC was wrong but we listened and responded appropriately. ;D ;D ;) ;D BoG your concerns are noted and appreciated and I hope this wasn't to distasteful for you my friend.

Your links coupled with the interview I posted all too clearly delineate why such contrasting positions were chosen. Priest is  paradoxical. White people and their institutions by design have set themselves up as the default setting in regards to the comic book industry. This means they are automatically selected if one is not conscious enough to specify a substitute of their own creation, choosing and benefit. Priest came knocking at their door and did not like the way they answered, invited him and made him feel unwelcome. The simple, reactionary conclusion is Priest's.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Ezyo on December 25, 2017, 01:18:04 pm
Happy holidays HEF!

I would say I think there is more too it personally. I won't dive Into it much, but on think there isn't a right or wrong side. I think A
Curry and Ture and the rest of y'all have presented a pretty clear debate from both spectrums and both sides are true to some extent. But ultimately, Priest is a victim of racism that hindered his rise to A list writer with fame to his name like he should of decades ago. He just reacted different due to circumstances.
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: Kimoyo on December 25, 2017, 04:17:27 pm
I don't really want to argue this anymore, since all we're really going to do is exchange opinions at this point, and I dislike arguing with people I call friend.  But I took a quick scan of the thread, and I didn't see a copy of these links, pieces Priest wrote for his website 15 years ago, that I think gives a lot of context to his positions:

[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips.html[/url])
[url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/chips3.html[/url])

Three years later, he retired from comics.  Six years ago, before DEATHSTROKE, he wrote this:

[url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url] ([url]http://digitalpriest.com/comics/mambo/[/url])



Thanks BoG and Ezyo! I greatly appreciate your perspectives and civility!

Thanks for the Holiday wishes Ture as I add my own to the HEF!

Peace and good will to all,

Mont
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: A.Curry on December 25, 2017, 04:38:32 pm
Happy holidays HEF!

I would say I think there is more too it personally. I won't dive Into it much, but on think there isn't a right or wrong side. I think A
Curry and Ture and the rest of y'all have presented a pretty clear debate from both spectrums and both sides are true to some extent. But ultimately, Priest is a victim of racism that hindered his rise to A list writer with fame to his name like he should of decades ago. He just reacted different due to circumstances.


I appreciate the credit  Ezyo...and I agree...as I said before  some points on the opposite side of the debate I can understand and agree with, as I've also said Priest has his issues...but as you said he has been a victim of racism in his career, so its somewhat understandable why he's taken some of the stances he has...including wanting to spearhead the books of A-list characters and those other than just the ones that are "of color", to use the term he used.  And I hope he continues to get the opportunities now that he was denied before. I even hope, after some time, he changes his mind and does return to BP's comic.

Happy Xmas and New Year to all of you.  If anything, this was a scintillating debate.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Between the world and Black Panther - Priest Says "No" to More Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 26, 2017, 01:17:11 pm
Happy holidays HEF!

I would say I think there is more too it personally. I won't dive Into it much, but on think there isn't a right or wrong side. I think A
Curry and Ture and the rest of y'all have presented a pretty clear debate from both spectrums and both sides are true to some extent. But ultimately, Priest is a victim of racism that hindered his rise to A list writer with fame to his name like he should of decades ago. He just reacted different due to circumstances.


I appreciate the credit  Ezyo...and I agree...as I said before  some points on the opposite side of the debate I can understand and agree with, as I've also said Priest has his issues...but as you said he has been a victim of racism in his career, so its somewhat understandable why he's taken some of the stances he has...including wanting to spearhead the books of A-list characters and those other than just the ones that are "of color", to use the term he used.  And I hope he continues to get the opportunities now that he was denied before. I even hope, after some time, he changes his mind and does return to BP's comic.

Happy Xmas and New Year to all of you.  If anything, this was a scintillating debate.

Cheers!

I am The Supreme Illuminati and I approve and cosign the message from these bruthas above.
Title: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Ture on January 06, 2018, 01:04:07 pm
I think Reginald Hudlin is going to return to write Black Panther post TaNehesi Coates run. He is one of the few writers that can commercially follow-up Coates, has a following both in and out of comics, has love for BP and a great story to tell. Add to the fact all those here at the HEF know how well Hudlin can keep a secret.

HUDLIN & LASHLEY Go Black To The Future Again In BLACK PANTHER ANNUAL #1
By Chris Arrant

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Newsarama: Reggie, thanks for doing this - Marvel has briefly told me your story is a direct sequel to "Black to the Future." What can you say without spoiling too much of it?

Reginald Hudlin: It started with fans on my website who kept asking me what story I would do with Black Panther if I ever returned to the character. I mentioned there was a big sprawling epic called “World War Wakanda” that was one of my favorite ideas and they got really excited by it. So, when they invited me to contribute to the annual, I thought an epilogue to this unwritten story might be cool.

Nrama: Ken, give us your perspective since you translated it from a script to a comic book – what can people expect?

Ken Lashley: Well, Black Panther is in it… and some villains.

Nrama: [Laughs] Anything else?

Lashley: [Laughs] It’s a fantastic ending to this story. This fills in what has transpired in this universe, and it’s amazing. When I first read it, I was like “Woah… it is a page-turner.” The first page alone is Easter egg of the Marvel universe. I wonder if all of them will be found. It took me two days to draw it.

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Ken's art is on point.
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Nrama: Your Black Panther Annual #1 story is just a short - what would it take to get you back to do more?

Hudlin: I’ve got a lot of obligations on my plate with the revival of Milestone Media and other film and television projects. But I’ve learned to never say never.

Nrama: Ken, would you do another run on Black Panther?

Lashley: Ah….yeah, I never really got to scratch that off the list because even though I drew the series it was more a story about Shuri, so if l got a chance to return to the Panther I would love that. Marvel keeps me pretty busy and I’m super happy doing what I have on my table, but if Black Panther came across that table I would love that.

Nrama: How often do you think about T’Challa and new ideas for him?

Hudlin: I have ideas for everything. Not just Black Panther, but musicals and horror films and political movements. It’s just about time management.

Newsarama: Speaking of time management, this reunion for you two is eight years since your run on Black Panther. What’s it like to reunite like this?

Ken Lashley: Eight years! … Wow, I really didn’t know how long it’s been. When I first got the call to do the art for that job I got crazy excited, Black Panther has been one of my all-time favorite characters and getting a chance to add to the mythos of this incredible character was a dream come true. Reggie Hudlin has been a great creator and to work on the annual with him was fun and exciting; he gives the creators he works with the space to do the best work they can. That doesn’t happen all the time. When asked to come finish the story we started years ago… I said “Heck, yeah.”

Nrama: What are your thoughts about Ryan Coogler’s upcoming Black Panther movie?

Lashley: To be honest, l just want to see it all. I fell in love with the Panther when I was a child and now to know that a movie is being made is mind-blowing. When l saw the first trailer, l was so ready to see it. I’m trying to avoid as much as possible because l want to just go in with an open slate, but that first trailer… wow, sick stuff.

Hudlin: Like everyone else, I’m looking forward to it.

Lashley: I have to admit, I didn’t think I would ever see it on the big screen, so February can’t get here fast enough.

Nrama: And have you had a chance to read Ta-Nehisi Coates's recent Black Panther run?

Hudlin: I have a huge stack of comics in my office that I haven’t had time to read, which is kind of a sacrilege because that’s how I relax, but I just haven’t had time to read anything. But he’s a brilliant man.


https://www.newsarama.com/38052-hudlin-lashley-go-black-to-the-future-again-in-black-panther-annual-1.html (https://www.newsarama.com/38052-hudlin-lashley-go-black-to-the-future-again-in-black-panther-annual-1.html)

I feel World War Wakanda is already in the works. We're going to get a spring Black Panther centered Avengers cartoon by Red Jack and a summer Marvel Comic's event heralded by Hudlin and a Milestone/Black Panther crossover in the Fall.

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Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: CvilleWakandan on January 06, 2018, 01:13:19 pm
Didn't realize is thread existed.

To respond to your post on the other thread, I think we can safety make this the continuity starting after Secret Invasion. Just have to keep Iron Man from being dismissed as Director of Shield.

Although Dark Reign was a great year. lol
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Kimoyo on January 06, 2018, 02:08:56 pm
"...and a Milestone/Black Panther crossover in the Fall."

Wait, what!?!  ;D

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 06, 2018, 04:37:27 pm
Man, don't play with my emotions...
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Mortal Man on January 06, 2018, 05:02:14 pm
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.

Hudlin and Lashley for President
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Ezyo on January 06, 2018, 05:18:43 pm
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.

Hudlin and Lashley for President

A match made in heaven. I would support this 1000%.

Hudlin is so sly, he drops nuggets in the ask Hudlin thread then we get a Shout-out in an interview. It's crazy, I never expected him to actually answer let alone say that our excitement was the motivation for this annual.. I wish they gave him 4-6 more pages to work with

Edit: I was vote Redjack and khary randoph for vice president lol
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Mortal Man on January 06, 2018, 09:11:51 pm
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.

Hudlin and Lashley for President

A match made in heaven. I would support this 1000%.

Hudlin is so sly, he drops nuggets in the ask Hudlin thread then we get a Shout-out in an interview. It's crazy, I never expected him to actually answer let alone say that our excitement was the motivation for this annual.. I wish they gave him 4-6 more pages to work with

Edit: I was vote Redjack and khary randoph for vice president lol


I wish they gave him 4-6 more years lol.  Give both creative teams their own book: (1) The Royal Black Panther (2) King of the Dead: Black Panther.

adjectives subject to change depending on each book's direction.
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Mortal Man on January 06, 2018, 09:12:22 pm
It'd be much better than the crew and love n hip hop doras in new york
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Ezyo on January 06, 2018, 09:50:19 pm
Hudlin and Lashley should be the new black panther creative team.

Hudlin and Lashley for President

A match made in heaven. I would support this 1000%.

Hudlin is so sly, he drops nuggets in the ask Hudlin thread then we get a Shout-out in an interview. It's crazy, I never expected him to actually answer let alone say that our excitement was the motivation for this annual.. I wish they gave him 4-6 more pages to work with

Edit: I was vote Redjack and khary randoph for vice president lol


I wish they gave him 4-6 more years lol.  Give both creative teams their own book: (1) The Royal Black Panther (2) King of the Dead: Black Panther.

adjectives subject to change depending on each book's direction.

That would be sweet.

I think BP needs 2-3 ongoings with experienced writer's that will go to bat for him 
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 09, 2018, 06:27:01 pm
Man, don't play with my emotions...

This was EXACTLY my reaction. Especially since awhile ago I specified that the duo of R to the H and Lashley would be such a terrific moneymaking commonsense positive Black idea, that there is no way that Marvel would go for it.
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 09, 2018, 06:31:07 pm
"...and a Milestone/Black Panther crossover in the Fall."

Wait, what!?!  ;D

Peace,

Mont


This was ALSO MY REACTION when I read that tidbit above.  Followed immediately by: "...don't play with my emotions..."
Title: Re: World War Wakanda - Black Panther's Future and The Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Ture on January 09, 2018, 09:52:14 pm
My bad, please excuse my apparently unintentional mislead. I was exuberantly indulging in predictions.
Title: Re: World War Wakanda: Black Panther's Future- The Desired Return of Reginald Hudlin
Post by: Ezyo on January 09, 2018, 11:16:14 pm
It's the year of Bp. Anything is possible
Title: Re: World War Wakanda: Black Panther's Future
Post by: Ture on January 22, 2018, 12:39:11 am
WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1

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This is the one I'm waiting for.
Title: Re: WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 24, 2018, 09:38:15 am
This is what we should be talking about. This outstanding flyness right here. This Annual will be the only BP comic I will buy this year, unless Redjack, R to the H, or maybe Narcisse [ if he actually writes OUR TCHALLA ] takes over BP.
Title: Re: WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1
Post by: Ture on January 24, 2018, 09:42:38 pm

WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1

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(https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yMTcvODM3L29yaWdpbmFsL0JMQVBBTk4yMDE4MDAxMDI2X2lua3MuanBnPzE1MTUwOTc1NTk=)

This is what we should be talking about. This outstanding flyness right here. This Annual will be the only BP comic I will buy this year, unless Redjack, R to the H, or maybe Narcisse [ if he actually writes OUR TCHALLA ] takes over BP.

I concur SI. Coates comic book demise is at hand. The Black Panther movie is going to have writers of the BP comic books rethink their approach to T'Challa and Wakanda. Red Jack's BP cartoon series is going to drop soon, uping BP's animated profile and Evan Narccise' Rise of the Black Panther looks promising.

But for all those that need a reminder of the writer that made Wakanda an unconquered nation; the writer that created Shuri and put the family back together; the writer who bought together the Black Panther and Storm, the most potent power couple in the history of comic books via the Wedding of the Century.

The writer who showed an empowering historical account of Wakanda fighting the human trafficking of Afrakan people and the future shock of the Black Panther taking over the world... well that reminder will be here next month and I'm calling it a prelude. A prelude of future events that long needed to be seen and a prelude to the ultimate war.

Again, just a reminder... for those who needed it.
Title: Re: WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1
Post by: Ture on February 02, 2018, 01:26:13 am
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER
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All this plus the upcoming Black Panther Annual #1... Coatesverse is gonna be buried in February.
Title: Re: WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 02, 2018, 06:09:07 am
I just realized he's wearing the coal tiger costume, or at least part of it!
Title: Re: WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1
Post by: Ture on February 02, 2018, 11:41:32 am
I just realized he's wearing the coal tiger costume, or at least part of it!

Yea I noticed that too Kip. Evans is digging in the crates to ensure a most comprehensive coverage of all things Black Panther. This issue and those to follow need to deliver an inventive genius level, three steps ahead intellect; very impressive physical and technical feats; and undeniable victories over some A list heavy hitting antagonists. The flow and art are satisfying and thus far Rise of the Black Panther presents better than Coatesverse BP and would be a more congruent companion to the movie.
Title: Re: WORLD WAR WAKANDA : Prelude to the Future - Black Panther Annual #1
Post by: Ezyo on February 02, 2018, 10:32:30 pm