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As you are no doubt aware there has been an increase inactivity here at the HEF due to the migration of many of those who post at CBR's Black Panther thread. This process was spearheaded by our very own Ezyo. As you are one of the primary architects of the modern Black Panther era, heads would very much appreciate hearing from you.
Since you have made it clear that you are not at liberty to comment on the writers of the Black Panther who came after you, how about elaborating on any ideas you had with T'Challa and Doom post the ambush; the plans you may have had for the evolution of Shuri; your next story line post Deadliest of the Species; any more tales of Wakanda's past etc...
Let's have a meet and greet. Maybe a little Q&A. New and old posters are looking forward to hearing from you.
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Cool thread! Mr. Hudlin, I'm interested in your thoughts on a follow up to Flags of Our Fathers. Were there ever any ideas or prelim work done on that front?
I'd love to see Azzari team up with Invaders or perhaps have a run in with Orson Randall.
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Mr Hudlin, what made you come up with the idea of Shuri?
I think she's a great addition to the Panther mythos and she now stands as a strong character in her own right.
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I only have one question:
If you'd known your book was going to be an ongoing from the beginning, would you have done anything differently?
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Excellent thread idea.
I can't think of any questions right now though. 8)
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I have a question...
When you gonna make another rare appearance 8)
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Mr. Hudlin, it's an honor to have this platform to communicate with you.
My question:
If Storm hadn't been available, would you have moved forward with Monica Rambeau as T'Challa's love interest and eventual wife?
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As you are no doubt aware there has been an increase inactivity here at the HEF due to the migration of many of those who post at CBR's Black Panther thread. This process was spearheaded by our very own Ezyo. As you are one of the primary architects of the modern Black Panther era, heads would very much appreciate hearing from you.
Since you have made it clear that you are not at liberty to comment on the writers of the Black Panther who came after you, how about elaborating on any ideas you had with T'Challa and Doom post the ambush; the plans you may have had for the evolution of Shuri; your next story line post Deadliest of the Species; any more tales of Wakanda's past etc...
Let's have a meet and greet. Maybe a little Q&A. New and old posters are looking forward to hearing from you.
This thread is a great idea! I"m signing in!
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Cool thread! Mr. Hudlin, I'm interested in your thoughts on a follow up to Flags of Our Fathers. Were there ever any ideas or prelim work done on that front?
I'd love to see Azzari team up with Invaders or perhaps have a run in with Orson Randall.
I had plans for a mini series with a teenage T'Challa meeting up with Logan, Tony Stark, The Winter Soldier and Janet Van Dyne.
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Mr Hudlin, what made you come up with the idea of Shuri?
I think she's a great addition to the Panther mythos and she now stands as a strong character in her own right.
Thank you!
I just thought it was ridiculous that T'Challa would be an only child. Royalty usually has several kids...and heir and a spare, as they say. And a strong sister would be the most interesting way to go.
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I only have one question:
If you'd known your book was going to be an ongoing from the beginning, would you have done anything differently?
Probably. But not having the stress of planning out several years worth of stories made the opportunity less daunting.
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Mr. Hudlin, it's an honor to have this platform to communicate with you.
My question:
If Storm hadn't been available, would you have moved forward with Monica Rambeau as T'Challa's love interest and eventual wife?
I love Monica and think the way she's been written over the past couple of years by several writers has been encouraging. She's a very powerful character and I think she and Blue Marvel are a great match, just like T'Challa and Ororo.
If Storm wasn't available, I would have created an original character.
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I only have one question:
If you'd known your book was going to be an ongoing from the beginning, would you have done anything differently?
Probably. But not having the stress of planning out several years worth of stories made the opportunity less daunting.
That's fair. Thank you.
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Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Tures question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
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Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Tures question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
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Oh lawd >:(
Your Top 5 marvel stories/arcs/runs?
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Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/-yV6EUHTQXHc/U9j2vpEXfHI/AAAAAAAAEEE/m6UbtdXH0bQ/08-21-52-cDXIAmk%25255B4%25255D.gif?imgmax=800)
Oh my god. We actually were supposed to have nice things.. :'(
We just needed you in charge for a few more months
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Now that.. would of been an event. Seriously I would love to see a Wakanda vs the world go on. They just need to let you stay on for another year to tell that story.
Last question for me at the moment, of marvel gave you another 6 part mini (let's say after the huge movie debut) what story would you tell to get people fresh off the hype of the movie into Tchallas story
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Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Tures question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
Dear Mr Hudlin,
Having read your response as regards how things were supposed to have played out between T'Challa and Doom, why in the hell did Maberry go down the path he did by totally chomping T'Challa and the BP mythos out?
I really wish you hadn't left the BP book when you did because a succession of writers have more or less erased all of the tremendous work you did.
Ican't stand T'Challa as he's being portrayed now.
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Mr Hudlin, thanks for popping in to answer a few questions.
What I liked about your run was that you had T'Challa interact with the greater MU instead of just isolating him away in a small corner.
One of the things I would like to see is T'Challa having a better and stronger rogues gallery. Other than Klaw and Killmonger, there aren't many that really stand out. I've always said that BP needed his own Sinister Six, a team that could challenge him on every level. Are there any Marvel villains that you would have added to his list of rogues and if so, who?
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Dear Mr. Hudlin.
Will you being doing any east coast conventions or book signings?
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Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
([url]http://lh6.ggpht.com/-yV6EUHTQXHc/U9j2vpEXfHI/AAAAAAAAEEE/m6UbtdXH0bQ/08-21-52-cDXIAmk%25255B4%25255D.gif?imgmax=800[/url])
Oh my god. We actually were supposed to have nice things.. :'(
We just needed you in charge for a few more months
What a great GIF! Hilarious.
It would have been a MU level event. Very complicated to plan and execute.
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Now that.. would of been an event. Seriously I would love to see a Wakanda vs the world go on. They just need to let you stay on for another year to tell that story.
Last question for me at the moment, of marvel gave you another 6 part mini (let's say after the huge movie debut) what story would you tell to get people fresh off the hype of the movie into Tchallas story
Oh man, I have no idea. Depends on the story of the film. I wrote WHO IS THE BLACK PANTHER so a fan who knew nothing could find out all they needed to know. After the film, there will be a need for another trade that is a non-origin story that is accessible to the new fan. Maybe one that involves high profile characters in the MCU.
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Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Tures question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
Dear Mr Hudlin,
Having read your response as regards how things were supposed to have played out between T'Challa and Doom, why in the hell did Maberry go down the path he did by totally chomping T'Challa and the BP mythos out?
I really wish you hadn't left the BP book when you did because a succession of writers have more or less erased all of the tremendous work you did.
Ican't stand T'Challa as he's being portrayed now.
We don't own these characters. As writers, we each make our contribution to the greater mythos, and keep it moving.
I remember all the Priest fans hating my run.
Priest tells me about all the hate his run got.
It's part of the job.
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Mr Hudlin, thanks for popping in to answer a few questions.
What I liked about your run was that you had T'Challa interact with the greater MU instead of just isolating him away in a small corner.
One of the things I would like to see is T'Challa having a better and stronger rogues gallery. Other than Klaw and Killmonger, there aren't many that really stand out. I've always said that BP needed his own Sinister Six, a team that could challenge him on every level. Are there any Marvel villains that you would have added to his list of rogues and if so, who?
The real solution is to create more villains that have an organic relationship with the star of the book. The truth is, most heroes don't have enough perfect opponents. Batman has the most, and even his list gets weak three movies in.
It's easy to create those characters, but the major companies don't design fair compensation packages to justify giving them that much IP (intellectual property). So you see the same characters from the pre-artists rights era.
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Dear Mr. Hudlin.
Will you being doing any east coast conventions or book signings?
I don't know yet.
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Oh lawd >:(
Your Top 5 marvel stories/arcs/runs?
You mean the top 5 Marvel stories of all time?
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Now that.. would of been an event. Seriously I would love to see a Wakanda vs the world go on. They just need to let you stay on for another year to tell that story.
Last question for me at the moment, of marvel gave you another 6 part mini (let's say after the huge movie debut) what story would you tell to get people fresh off the hype of the movie into Tchallas story
Oh man, I have no idea. Depends on the story of the film. I wrote WHO IS THE BLACK PANTHER so a fan who knew nothing could find out all they needed to know. After the film, there will be a need for another trade that is a non-origin story that is accessible to the new fan. Maybe one that involves high profile characters in the MCU.
Alright sorry let me change it up, if marvel greenlight whatever you wanted, (I'm talking Coates level promo and pushing) and 2 seasons atleast of comics guaranteed with no fear of cancelation, and not Being able to finish your story, would you write BP for them again
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Oh lawd >:(
Your Top 5 marvel stories/arcs/runs?
You mean the top 5 Marvel stories of all time?
Yessir
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Mr Hudlin, thanks for popping in to answer a few questions.
What I liked about your run was that you had T'Challa interact with the greater MU instead of just isolating him away in a small corner.
One of the things I would like to see is T'Challa having a better and stronger rogues gallery. Other than Klaw and Killmonger, there aren't many that really stand out. I've always said that BP needed his own Sinister Six, a team that could challenge him on every level. Are there any Marvel villains that you would have added to his list of rogues and if so, who?
The real solution is to create more villains that have an organic relationship with the star of the book. The truth is, most heroes don't have enough perfect opponents. Batman has the most, and even his list gets weak three movies in.
It's easy to create those characters, but the major companies don't design fair compensation packages to justify giving them that much IP (intellectual property). So you see the same characters from the pre-artists rights era.
Honestly I'm kinda shocked that BP and HYDRA don't have many encounters. Flags of our Fathers touched on this(good min!) and it gave us a great villain with a great name -Armless Tiger-Man! He shouldbe in somebody's book somewhere.
I did my own fan-fic story with him titled ARMLESS TIGER MAN: ARMED TO THE TEETH!
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
REGINALD HUDLIN BREAKS HIS SILENCE
(http://hudlinentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Reggie-Thinker.jpg)
The HEF is on fire due to the increased activity generated by true Black Panther enthusiasts, some of whom migrated from CBR. The exodus was led by HEF's own Ezyo and brought over some of the best posters and thread starters CBR had to offer. This flurry of posts caught the attention of one R to the H (trademark Supreme Illuminati, used with permission... we hope) and we got the exclusive.
After years of coping with the disaster that was Doomwar and witnessing T'Challa's pathetically pyrrhic victory over Doom, Mr. Hudlin told us what he had in store for the Black Panther v Doom round three and we quote.
Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Ture's question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Mr. Hudlin's reply was one of unprecedented proportions and the wish fulfillment of all BP fans. He said.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
It was Mortal Man whom exemplified the feelings of us all the best.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
([url]http://lh6.ggpht.com/-yV6EUHTQXHc/U9j2vpEXfHI/AAAAAAAAEEE/m6UbtdXH0bQ/08-21-52-cDXIAmk%25255B4%25255D.gif?imgmax=800[/url])
Oh my god. We actually were supposed to have nice things.. :'(
We just needed you in charge for a few more months
The question we ask Mr. Hudlin... is it still possible? Will World of Wakanda become World War Wakanda? Inquiring minds want to know.
Shout to all those who made this thread grow. Special thanks to Ezyo for the follow up and extra special appreciation and gratitude to Reginald Hudlin for providing the forum and interacting with us.
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HEF is the only place for true BP enthusiasts to discuss in a troll free environment.
Heads really need to get out of that CBR Stockholm Syndrome.
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HEF is the only place for true BP enthusiasts to discuss in a troll free environment.
Heads really need to get out of that CBR Stockholm Syndrome.
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Mr. Hudlin,
In light of the BP franchise's increasing popularity, have you considered bringing back the BP animated series?
Besides the series being great work overall, I felt it was a great way to introduce people to T'Challa and the BP-verse, while greatly contributing in increasing the BP-verse's profile.
-
Mr Hudlin, thanks for popping in to answer a few questions.
What I liked about your run was that you had T'Challa interact with the greater MU instead of just isolating him away in a small corner.
One of the things I would like to see is T'Challa having a better and stronger rogues gallery. Other than Klaw and Killmonger, there aren't many that really stand out. I've always said that BP needed his own Sinister Six, a team that could challenge him on every level. Are there any Marvel villains that you would have added to his list of rogues and if so, who?
The real solution is to create more villains that have an organic relationship with the star of the book. The truth is, most heroes don't have enough perfect opponents. Batman has the most, and even his list gets weak three movies in.
It's easy to create those characters, but the major companies don't design fair compensation packages to justify giving them that much IP (intellectual property). So you see the same characters from the pre-artists rights era.
Honestly I'm kinda shocked that BP and HYDRA don't have many encounters. Flags of our Fathers touched on this(good min!) and it gave us a great villain with a great name -Armless Tiger-Man! He shouldbe in somebody's book somewhere.
I did my own fan-fic story with him titled ARMLESS TIGER MAN: ARMED TO THE TEETH!
I don't know if he's directly related to ATM, but there is a new guy in the new Iron Fist book that is clearly inspired by him.
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Now that.. would of been an event. Seriously I would love to see a Wakanda vs the world go on. They just need to let you stay on for another year to tell that story.
Last question for me at the moment, of marvel gave you another 6 part mini (let's say after the huge movie debut) what story would you tell to get people fresh off the hype of the movie into Tchallas story
Oh man, I have no idea. Depends on the story of the film. I wrote WHO IS THE BLACK PANTHER so a fan who knew nothing could find out all they needed to know. After the film, there will be a need for another trade that is a non-origin story that is accessible to the new fan. Maybe one that involves high profile characters in the MCU.
Alright sorry let me change it up, if marvel greenlight whatever you wanted, (I'm talking Coates level promo and pushing) and 2 seasons atleast of comics guaranteed with no fear of cancelation, and not Being able to finish your story, would you write BP for them again
Never say never, I love BP, but that's not really what Marvel does. They move writers around to avoid burn out. Personally, I'm focused more on creator owned properties. Mark Millar is very inspiring to me.
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Oh lawd >:(
Your Top 5 marvel stories/arcs/runs?
You mean the top 5 Marvel stories of all time?
Yessir
Okay...damn. I got to put real thought into that. Can't answer too quickly.
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Mr Hudlin, thanks for popping in to answer a few questions.
What I liked about your run was that you had T'Challa interact with the greater MU instead of just isolating him away in a small corner.
One of the things I would like to see is T'Challa having a better and stronger rogues gallery. Other than Klaw and Killmonger, there aren't many that really stand out. I've always said that BP needed his own Sinister Six, a team that could challenge him on every level. Are there any Marvel villains that you would have added to his list of rogues and if so, who?
The real solution is to create more villains that have an organic relationship with the star of the book. The truth is, most heroes don't have enough perfect opponents. Batman has the most, and even his list gets weak three movies in.
It's easy to create those characters, but the major companies don't design fair compensation packages to justify giving them that much IP (intellectual property). So you see the same characters from the pre-artists rights era.
Honestly I'm kinda shocked that BP and HYDRA don't have many encounters. Flags of our Fathers touched on this(good min!) and it gave us a great villain with a great name -Armless Tiger-Man! He shouldbe in somebody's book somewhere.
I did my own fan-fic story with him titled ARMLESS TIGER MAN: ARMED TO THE TEETH!
Armless Tiger Man was a golden age character. Once you read his description, and see what he looks like, how do you NOT use him? It's insane. Who thinks of that?
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
REGINALD HUDLIN BREAKS HIS SILENCE
([url]http://hudlinentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Reggie-Thinker.jpg[/url])
The HEF is on fire due to the increased activity generated by true Black Panther enthusiasts, some of whom migrated from CBR. The exodus was led by HEF's own Ezyo and brought over some of the best posters and thread starters CBR had to offer. This flurry of posts caught the attention of one R to the H (trademark Supreme Illuminati, used with permission... we hope) and we got the exclusive.
After years of coping with the disaster that was Doomwar and witnessing T'Challa's pathetically pyrrhic victory over Doom, Mr. Hudlin told us what he had in store for the Black Panther v Doom round three and we quote.
Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Ture's question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Mr. Hudlin's reply was one of unprecedented proportions and the wish fulfillment of all BP fans. He said.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
It was Mortal Man whom exemplified the feelings of us all the best.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
([url]http://lh6.ggpht.com/-yV6EUHTQXHc/U9j2vpEXfHI/AAAAAAAAEEE/m6UbtdXH0bQ/08-21-52-cDXIAmk%25255B4%25255D.gif?imgmax=800[/url])
Oh my god. We actually were supposed to have nice things.. :'(
We just needed you in charge for a few more months
The question we ask Mr. Hudlin... is it still possible? Will World of Wakanda become World War Wakanda? Inquiring minds want to know.
Shout to all those who made this thread grow. Special thanks to Ezyo for the follow up and extra special appreciation and gratitude to Reginald Hudlin for providing the forum and interacting with us.
First of all, I love everything about this post. Hilarious.
Second of all, Doom is in a whole other direction now. There are bigger plans afoot, plans I don't know about, and I'm focused on other things. I just finished a script that Denys is illustrating now.
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Mr. Hudlin,
In light of the BP franchise's increasing popularity, have you considered bringing back the BP animated series?
Besides the series being great work overall, I felt it was a great way to introduce people to T'Challa and the BP-verse, while greatly contributing in increasing the BP-verse's profile.
The animated series happened out of a unique set of circumstances. As the executive of a network I could green light a book I was writing, then leave the network and produce it. None of those things are true now, and Marvel's film and television plans are manifest much more concretely. I don't see how a BP animated series fits into that.
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Mr. Hudlin,
In light of the BP franchise's increasing popularity, have you considered bringing back the BP animated series?
Besides the series being great work overall, I felt it was a great way to introduce people to T'Challa and the BP-verse, while greatly contributing in increasing the BP-verse's profile.
The animated series happened out of a unique set of circumstances. As the executive of a network I could green light a book I was writing, then leave the network and produce it. None of those things are true now, and Marvel's film and television plans are manifest much more concretely. I don't see how a BP animated series fits into that.
Silly me, I totally forgot how much of a factor your time as a network exec was in green lighting the project. Had to facepalm myself on that one. *facepalms*
Nonetheless, thank you for answering my question.
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Now that.. would of been an event. Seriously I would love to see a Wakanda vs the world go on. They just need to let you stay on for another year to tell that story.
Last question for me at the moment, of marvel gave you another 6 part mini (let's say after the huge movie debut) what story would you tell to get people fresh off the hype of the movie into Tchallas story
Oh man, I have no idea. Depends on the story of the film. I wrote WHO IS THE BLACK PANTHER so a fan who knew nothing could find out all they needed to know. After the film, there will be a need for another trade that is a non-origin story that is accessible to the new fan. Maybe one that involves high profile characters in the MCU.
Alright sorry let me change it up, if marvel greenlight whatever you wanted, (I'm talking Coates level promo and pushing) and 2 seasons atleast of comics guaranteed with no fear of cancelation, and not Being able to finish your story, would you write BP for them again
Never say never, I love BP, but that's not really what Marvel does. They move writers around to avoid burn out. Personally, I'm focused more on creator owned properties. Mark Millar is very inspiring to me.
Okay Fair enough, I could see how that could produce burn out, and also i can see the preference of going more on creator own properties rather then the Big 2 considering ones hard work can be turned on its head and changed, and retconned out over a span of a few short years.
Thanks again for answering I dont have any other questions at the moment i'll have to think of some more. But im not gonna Lie, I hope that One day you do come back and Marvel Lets you do something amazing again for BP, Be it another Solo, Or that Black Avengers book you mentioned before.
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
REGINALD HUDLIN BREAKS HIS SILENCE
([url]http://hudlinentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Reggie-Thinker.jpg[/url])
The HEF is on fire due to the increased activity generated by true Black Panther enthusiasts, some of whom migrated from CBR. The exodus was led by HEF's own Ezyo and brought over some of the best posters and thread starters CBR had to offer. This flurry of posts caught the attention of one R to the H (trademark Supreme Illuminati, used with permission... we hope) and we got the exclusive.
After years of coping with the disaster that was Doomwar and witnessing T'Challa's pathetically pyrrhic victory over Doom, Mr. Hudlin told us what he had in store for the Black Panther v Doom round three and we quote.
Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Ture's question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Mr. Hudlin's reply was one of unprecedented proportions and the wish fulfillment of all BP fans. He said.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
It was Mortal Man whom exemplified the feelings of us all the best.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
([url]http://lh6.ggpht.com/-yV6EUHTQXHc/U9j2vpEXfHI/AAAAAAAAEEE/m6UbtdXH0bQ/08-21-52-cDXIAmk%25255B4%25255D.gif?imgmax=800[/url])
Oh my god. We actually were supposed to have nice things.. :'(
We just needed you in charge for a few more months
The question we ask Mr. Hudlin... is it still possible? Will World of Wakanda become World War Wakanda? Inquiring minds want to know.
Shout to all those who made this thread grow. Special thanks to Ezyo for the follow up and extra special appreciation and gratitude to Reginald Hudlin for providing the forum and interacting with us.
First of all, I love everything about this post. Hilarious.
Second of all, Doom is in a whole other direction now. There are bigger plans afoot, plans I don't know about, and I'm focused on other things. I just finished a script that Denys is illustrating now.
Whatever you got going i definitely will pick it up, I like Deny's Artwork
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
REGINALD HUDLIN BREAKS HIS SILENCE
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The HEF is on fire due to the increased activity generated by true Black Panther enthusiasts, some of whom migrated from CBR. The exodus was led by HEF's own Ezyo and brought over some of the best posters and thread starters CBR had to offer. This flurry of posts caught the attention of one R to the H (trademark Supreme Illuminati, used with permission... we hope) and we got the exclusive.
After years of coping with the disaster that was Doomwar and witnessing T'Challa's pathetically pyrrhic victory over Doom, Mr. Hudlin told us what he had in store for the Black Panther v Doom round three and we quote.
Hey RH great to see you poking your head in the BP forum again, I guess I'll follow up Ture's question,
If you were still on board with Marvel what was your idea for the encounter after T'Challa was ambushed by Doom? Alot of people as you are likely aware, were very dissatisfied with Mayberrys ending as it felt insulting to see T'Challa not only lose S'yan (a great character I thought) and Wakandans, but also he gets his ass kicked by Doom then thanks him for teaching him and Wakanda a lesson before destroying the Vibranium.
So again what was your idea for round two for T'Challa and Doom
Mr. Hudlin's reply was one of unprecedented proportions and the wish fulfillment of all BP fans. He said.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
It was Mortal Man whom exemplified the feelings of us all the best.
Black Panther would beat the brakes off Doom to the point even the other super heroes are scared of Panther, leading to him against the world. WWW. World War Wakanda.
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Oh my god. We actually were supposed to have nice things.. :'(
We just needed you in charge for a few more months
The question we ask Mr. Hudlin... is it still possible? Will World of Wakanda become World War Wakanda? Inquiring minds want to know.
Shout to all those who made this thread grow. Special thanks to Ezyo for the follow up and extra special appreciation and gratitude to Reginald Hudlin for providing the forum and interacting with us.
First of all, I love everything about this post. Hilarious.
Second of all, Doom is in a whole other direction now. There are bigger plans afoot, plans I don't know about, and I'm focused on other things. I just finished a script that Denys is illustrating now.
Whatever you got going i definitely will pick it up, I like Deny's Artwork
THIS BREAKING NEWS POST IS HILARIOUS!
Thanks for the recap and for the sadness since we'll never get the Hudlin version of WWW. Can you imagine this being a company wide crossover?
Maybe we'll get it before Black Panther part 2 comes out
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Mr. Hudlin....
While you ponder my previous question on your top 5 Marvel Stories...
Two Doras were killed with Doom sneak attacked T'challa...
was one of the Doras Okoye?
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Mr. Hudlin....
While you ponder my previous question on your top 5 Marvel Stories...
Two Doras were killed with Doom sneak attacked T'challa...
was one of the Doras Okoye?
Wow, that question is harder than the previous one!
Let me start on the other other....
....when it comes to classic Marvel story lines, the introduction of Galactus, the Watcher and the Silver Surfer were incredible. No one had ever written a comic book story on that scale. The resolution with the use of the Ultimate Nullifier seems like the easy way out, but the overall power and scope of the story still stands.
The subplot of Peter Parker ducking the blind date with Mary Jane Watson, culminating in him opening the door, seeing the hottie he never imagined she would be, and her saying one of the greatest lines in the history of comics: "face it Tiger, you hit the jackpot". That's everything you need to know about her. She's confident, she totally knows what's been going on, and she's knows what's gonna happen next.
Jumping way ahead....Civil War. It was such an obvious, brilliant idea, and forever changed comics and comic book movies.
That's three. Two more to go.
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Mr. Hudlin,
If we remove Static from consideration, which Milestone property do you think is most ready to hit the ground running as a feature film or prestige television series? I discount Static since he's already a known and proven entity. Personally, I'd love to see a premium network do something with Blood Syndicate.
I've always felt that Blood Syndicate, as a concept and as an actualized series, "out X-Mens" the X-Men in terms of authenticity and spoke much more directly to the POC/Minority experience while tying in the fantastic. X-Men just seems like a Hollywood bus tour of racism.
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Hey there again Mr. Hudlin.
Let's say that you were writing a 5 year stint on BP and he were still married to Storm. Would you have written them having children at some point? How many?
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Mr. Hudlin,
If we remove Static from consideration, which Milestone property do you think is most ready to hit the ground running as a feature film or prestige television series? I discount Static since he's already a known and proven entity. Personally, I'd love to see a premium network do something with Blood Syndicate.
I've always felt that Blood Syndicate, as a concept and as an actualized series, "out X-Mens" the X-Men in terms of authenticity and spoke much more directly to the POC/Minority experience while tying in the fantastic. X-Men just seems like a Hollywood bus tour of racism.
Great question, but one I cannot answer....yet. But you're on to something with Blood Syndicate. And an Icon & Rocket movie.
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Hey there again Mr. Hudlin.
Let's say that you were writing a 5 year stint on BP and he were still married to Storm. Would you have written them having children at some point? How many?
The number one job of royalty is the perpetuate the line. That's why I had Panther get married right away. It's number one in the job description.
As for kids, see my Black Panther annual, Black To The Future, where they have a gang of kids. Some with powers, some not. So yes, that long into the run, kids are gonna be popping out.
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Hey there again Mr. Hudlin.
Let's say that you were writing a 5 year stint on BP and he were still married to Storm. Would you have written them having children at some point? How many?
The number one job of royalty is the perpetuate the line. That's why I had Panther get married right away. It's number one in the job description.
As for kids, see my Black Panther annual, Black To The Future, where they have a gang of kids. Some with powers, some not. So yes, that long into the run, kids are gonna be popping out.
Woulda been nice. Kind of surprising that T'Challa doesn't have a kid out there somewhere, other than the alternate reality ones.
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Hey there again Mr. Hudlin.
Let's say that you were writing a 5 year stint on BP and he were still married to Storm. Would you have written them having children at some point? How many?
The number one job of royalty is the perpetuate the line. That's why I had Panther get married right away. It's number one in the job description.
As for kids, see my Black Panther annual, Black To The Future, where they have a gang of kids. Some with powers, some not. So yes, that long into the run, kids are gonna be popping out.
Woulda been nice. Kind of surprising that T'Challa doesn't have a kid out there somewhere, other than the alternate reality ones.
i think the floating time scale has a lot ot do with it. baby kids are useless for a story (see Danielle Cage)
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Hey there again Mr. Hudlin.
Let's say that you were writing a 5 year stint on BP and he were still married to Storm. Would you have written them having children at some point? How many?
The number one job of royalty is the perpetuate the line. That's why I had Panther get married right away. It's number one in the job description.
As for kids, see my Black Panther annual, Black To The Future, where they have a gang of kids. Some with powers, some not. So yes, that long into the run, kids are gonna be popping out.
Woulda been nice. Kind of surprising that T'Challa doesn't have a kid out there somewhere, other than the alternate reality ones.
i think the floating time scale has a lot ot do with it. baby kids are useless for a story (see Danielle Cage)
I was think more of a teenage ala' Damien Wayne.
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He does have a kid. A 12-13 year old by way of Monica Lynn.
But it's a big secret. Not even Marvel editorial knows yet. Go figure.
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He does have a kid. A 12-13 year old by way of Monica Lynn.
But it's a big secret. Not even Marvel editorial knows yet. Go figure.
Does Monica know? ;D
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He does have a kid. A 12-13 year old by way of Monica Lynn.
But it's a big secret. Not even Marvel editorial knows yet. Go figure.
Does Monica know? ;D
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He does have a kid. A 12-13 year old by way of Monica Lynn.
But it's a big secret. Not even Marvel editorial knows yet. Go figure.
YES!
my dude!
Make it happne Hudlin!
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I"m sure Wakanda security would make sure there are no leave behinds with anyone the prince is dating.
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Well, I guess Monica can forget about child support.
Dang it!
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Me and mine were were very appreciative of the creation of Shuri and the change in appearance of the Dora Milaje. Mr. Hudlin, were you responsible for the aesthetics of Shuri and the Dora Milaje and if so why the dramatic departure from Priest's iteration of Nakia and Okoyo?
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I too am curious about why Nakia and Okoye, and QDJ were not used
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Mr. Hudlin bobbin' and weavin' from Okoye questions like a seasoned politician
Mr. RH,
You get to right an oversized, annual one shot issue about any character at Marvel that you haven't written before. Who do you choose and who is the villain opposing them for this annual?
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To answer the question about the Dora Milage...I didn't want to cover ground Priest had already done so well. I wanted to tell different stories.
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There was a question about my five favorite Marvel stories of all time. That's super tough, but here goes:
The Coming of Galactus was amazing. The only flaw in it was the use of the Ultimate Nullifier as the way to defeat him. Feels too easy. But the scope of the story was incredible.
Mark Millar's Civil War was brilliant. It was such an obvious idea, but it had never been done before.
Earth X, by Jim Krueger and Alex Ross, was flat out genius. it made so many ideas in the Marvel Universe make sense, like the Celestials and Galactus and the Asgardians.
The Dr. Strange Silver Dagger story.
still thinking about the fifth entry.
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The Dr. Strange Silver Dagger story.
Which one? There have been several.
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I have a question for you now RH. What are you expecting/ Hoping to see out of the BP solo movie?
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The Dr. Strange Silver Dagger story.
Which one? There have been several.
I only know the original by Frank Brunner.
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I have a question for you now RH. What are you expecting/ Hoping to see out of the BP solo movie?
It's an amazing cast and Ryan is a talented filmmaker, so I expect it will be really good.
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I have a question for you now RH. What are you expecting/ Hoping to see out of the BP solo movie?
It's an amazing cast and Ryan is a talented filmmaker, so I expect it will be really good.
Let me rephrase it, is there anything, being a BP fan, that you want to see appear on the big screen? There are plenty of us here that have discussed what we would like to see, be is skybike to some of his Tech such as Dagger's, etc.
Is there something you personally want to see happen or be shown in the movie?
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Dear Reggie Reg,
I just wanted to say thank you! Thank you for everything that you've done and what you continue to do. To this day, whenever anyone tries to bad mouth BET, I reference your tenure as President as the turning point of the station. It wouldn't be the station that it is now if it wasn't for the changes that you started. That's fact!
Most BET haters hate just to hate or haven't paid attention since the early 90s.
That's all. I don't want or need to ask you anything.
I just wanted to say thank you.
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Yo, Reg...have you ever specifically thought of TChalla's skills and physical attributes like strength or speed levels under your pen?
A. Is he slightly weaker, strong as or stronger than Captain America?
B. In terms of intelligences, is TChalla smarter than, smart as, not as smart as or possessed of a different combo of Intelligences than Reed Richards, Maximus, Thanos?
C. Whose senses are shaper insofar as smell touch taste and hearing is concerned: TChalla or Wolverine? [ I would give SIGHT a edge to TChalla ].
D. How rich was TChalla under your pen?
E. Did your Wakanda have mutants?
F. Were you going to revamp old villains or create whole new Rogue Galleries for TChalla, or both? Could you name one new and one old villain you were leaning towards making/using?
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I have a question for you now RH. What are you expecting/ Hoping to see out of the BP solo movie?
It's an amazing cast and Ryan is a talented filmmaker, so I expect it will be really good.
Let me rephrase it, is there anything, being a BP fan, that you want to see appear on the big screen? There are plenty of us here that have discussed what we would like to see, be is skybike to some of his Tech such as Dagger's, etc.
Is there something you personally want to see happen or be shown in the movie?
When I was given the opportunity to write the six issue mini-series that became the start of my run on the book, I wrote it as a way to introduce the character to someone who had no previous knowledge of comic books, let alone his history. I didn't know if a movie would ever be made, so this would serve as a model for what one would be.
Yes I had all kinds of ideas of how that could be adapted and expanded, but it's all irrelevant now.
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Dear Reggie Reg,
I just wanted to say thank you! Thank you for everything that you've done and what you continue to do. To this day, whenever anyone tries to bad mouth BET, I reference your tenure as President as the turning point of the station. It wouldn't be the station that it is now if it wasn't for the changes that you started. That's fact!
Most BET haters hate just to hate or haven't paid attention since the early 90s.
That's all. I don't want or need to ask you anything.
I just wanted to say thank you.
Thank you! I appreciate your contributions on the site!
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
My older brothers read comics so I can't remember a time I didn't read comics. I remember the first comic I bought. We were at the spinner rack and my brothers were grabbing stuff so I asked mom if I could pick one out. I bought a Gold Key Monkees comic. My brothers were disgusted at the choice...they thought it was a waste of 12 cents that could have been spent buying a "real" comic beyond their budget. But I stuck to my guns.
Hmmmm, a Black Panther buddy book. Panther and Storm? Panther and Cage? Panther and Reed?
Greatest tech accomplishment? One of the Priest ideas like that mother box for Wakandans he made, or those big ass battleships.
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Yo, Reg...have you ever specifically thought of TChalla's skills and physical attributes like strength or speed levels under your pen?
A. Is he slightly weaker, strong as or stronger than Captain America?
B. In terms of intelligences, is TChalla smarter than, smart as, not as smart as or possessed of a different combo of Intelligences than Reed Richards, Maximus, Thanos?
C. Whose senses are shaper insofar as smell touch taste and hearing is concerned: TChalla or Wolverine? [ I would give SIGHT a edge to TChalla ].
D. How rich was TChalla under your pen?
E. Did your Wakanda have mutants?
F. Were you going to revamp old villains or create whole new Rogue Galleries for TChalla, or both? Could you name one new and one old villain you were leaning towards making/using?
I don't really get into the Marvel Guidebook approach to rankings. But I will say Wakanda has mutants. And so do other African nations.
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Dear Reggie Reg,
I just wanted to say thank you! Thank you for everything that you've done and what you continue to do. To this day, whenever anyone tries to bad mouth BET, I reference your tenure as President as the turning point of the station. It wouldn't be the station that it is now if it wasn't for the changes that you started. That's fact!
Most BET haters hate just to hate or haven't paid attention since the early 90s.
That's all. I don't want or need to ask you anything.
I just wanted to say thank you.
Thank you! I appreciate your contributions on the site!
Ever since you responded to my Black Panther email, I've been down for HEF. It's my internet home. I'll always rep for YOU and this site. Know that! 8)
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
My older brothers read comics so I can't remember a time I didn't read comics. I remember the first comic I bought. We were at the spinner rack and my brothers were grabbing stuff so I asked mom if I could pick one out. I bought a Gold Key Monkees comic. My brothers were disgusted at the choice...they thought it was a waste of 12 cents that could have been spent buying a "real" comic beyond their budget. But I stuck to my guns.
Hmmmm, a Black Panther buddy book. Panther and Storm? Panther and Cage? Panther and Reed?
Greatest tech accomplishment? One of the Priest ideas like that mother box for Wakandans he made, or those big ass battleships.
What was your favorite arc to write during your tenure? which was your least favorite? Also what has been your absolute Favorite feat in T'Challa's publication history?
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Mr. Hudlin, what was your first Black Panther comic book? Was there a sequel in mind for Flags of Our Fathers? What are the specs (your ideas on the functioning) of the protection totem?
I know, you feel like William Shatner at a Star Trek convention. Speaking of Star Trek... Gold Key Monkees comic? How could you pass up a Gold Key live action still cover of their Star Trek line? :o
I remember buying three comics with half covers or no covers in a plastic bag for 35 cents. My firsts were...
Werewolf by Night
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Batman
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Black Panther
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
My older brothers read comics so I can't remember a time I didn't read comics. I remember the first comic I bought. We were at the spinner rack and my brothers were grabbing stuff so I asked mom if I could pick one out. I bought a Gold Key Monkees comic. My brothers were disgusted at the choice...they thought it was a waste of 12 cents that could have been spent buying a "real" comic beyond their budget. But I stuck to my guns.
Hmmmm, a Black Panther buddy book. Panther and Storm? Panther and Cage? Panther and Reed?
Greatest tech accomplishment? One of the Priest ideas like that mother box for Wakandans he made, or those big ass battleships.
What was your favorite arc to write during your tenure? which was your least favorite? Also what has been your absolute Favorite feat in T'Challa's publication history?
Honestly, they were all fun to write. Doing the first arc, actually writing the panther, was unbelievable. Three the Hard Way, with all the heroes helping New Orleans post-Katrina, was a highlight. The marriage arc was history and satisfying, despite hateration. The annual with Storm and T'Challa's family made me just want to write stories set in that time. The story on the Skull gladiator planet was enjoyable because I loved that original story so much, plus I got to put MLK, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers all in one story.
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Yo, Reg...have you ever specifically thought of TChalla's skills and physical attributes like strength or speed levels under your pen?
A. Is he slightly weaker, strong as or stronger than Captain America?
B. In terms of intelligences, is TChalla smarter than, smart as, not as smart as or possessed of a different combo of Intelligences than Reed Richards, Maximus, Thanos?
C. Whose senses are shaper insofar as smell touch taste and hearing is concerned: TChalla or Wolverine? [ I would give SIGHT a edge to TChalla ].
Ohhh OKAY!! Think Gray's Anatomy...cuz ICU.
D. How rich was TChalla under your pen?
E. Did your Wakanda have mutants?
F. Were you going to revamp old villains or create whole new Rogue Galleries for TChalla, or both? Could you name one new and one old villain you were leaning towards making/using?
I don't really get into the Marvel Guidebook approach to rankings. But I will say Wakanda has mutants. And so do other African nations.
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
My older brothers read comics so I can't remember a time I didn't read comics. I remember the first comic I bought. We were at the spinner rack and my brothers were grabbing stuff so I asked mom if I could pick one out. I bought a Gold Key Monkees comic. My brothers were disgusted at the choice...they thought it was a waste of 12 cents that could have been spent buying a "real" comic beyond their budget. But I stuck to my guns.
Hmmmm, a Black Panther buddy book. Panther and Storm? Panther and Cage? Panther and Reed?
Greatest tech accomplishment? One of the Priest ideas like that mother box for Wakandans he made, or those big ass battleships.
What was your favorite arc to write during your tenure? which was your least favorite? Also what has been your absolute Favorite feat in T'Challa's publication history?
Honestly, they were all fun to write. Doing the first arc, actually writing the panther, was unbelievable. Three the Hard Way, with all the heroes helping New Orleans post-Katrina, was a highlight. The marriage arc was history and satisfying, despite hateration. The annual with Storm and T'Challa's family made me just want to write stories set in that time. The story on the Skull gladiator planet was enjoyable because I loved that original story so much, plus I got to put MLK, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers all in one story.
Im not gonna lie, three the Hard way, and Little green men Arcs were porbably my favs from your run. They were put together well, and they were fun Adventure type where there was action and excitement that didn't disappoint.
I kow im bombing you with Questions but one thing i always wondered, why weren't you the one to Write See Wakanda and Die? And if you did write it, would it have been much different then Jason Aaron's?
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
My older brothers read comics so I can't remember a time I didn't read comics. I remember the first comic I bought. We were at the spinner rack and my brothers were grabbing stuff so I asked mom if I could pick one out. I bought a Gold Key Monkees comic. My brothers were disgusted at the choice...they thought it was a waste of 12 cents that could have been spent buying a "real" comic beyond their budget. But I stuck to my guns.
Hmmmm, a Black Panther buddy book. Panther and Storm? Panther and Cage? Panther and Reed?
Greatest tech accomplishment? One of the Priest ideas like that mother box for Wakandans he made, or those big ass battleships.
What was your favorite arc to write during your tenure? which was your least favorite? Also what has been your absolute Favorite feat in T'Challa's publication history?
Honestly, they were all fun to write. Doing the first arc, actually writing the panther, was unbelievable. Three the Hard Way, with all the heroes helping New Orleans post-Katrina, was a highlight. The marriage arc was history and satisfying, despite hateration. The annual with Storm and T'Challa's family made me just want to write stories set in that time. The story on the Skull gladiator planet was enjoyable because I loved that original story so much, plus I got to put MLK, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers all in one story.
Im not gonna lie, three the Hard way, and Little green men Arcs were porbably my favs from your run. They were put together well, and they were fun Adventure type where there was action and excitement that didn't disappoint.
I kow im bombing you with Questions but one thing i always wondered, why weren't you the one to Write See Wakanda and Die? And if you did write it, would it have been much different then Jason Aaron's?
I thought of that question immediately when it happened. But I thought:
1. R to the H was prolly handling some BET and multimedia stuff for BP and his other projects
2. Didn't R to the H have his wife pregnant or a baby roundabout that time?
3. Jason Aaron was hot as hell during that time and they wanted to keep pumping up TChalla's sales. The LCBRD was doing its full on racist hateration on R to the H and BP [ remember the Three Headed Monster? ], and Aaron most definitely would pump sales. And that's exactly what SEE WAKANDA AND DIE did, under Aaron
4. Also...if R to the H wrote SEE WAKANDA AND DIE? TChalla would really have ganxtafied flat blastd the Skrulls. He would have busted out tech that trumped Reed's tech, and flashed his SKRULLS BE TRIPPIN CONTINGENCY PLAN on them in the form of something like GASKIYA GANI FASAHAR...TRUE REFLECTION TECHNOLOGY.
That? Is a Wakandan Ultimate Nullifier for all disguises, ruses, possessions, dominations, etc.
And then? R to the H would have had other big brains like Bruce Banner, Kang the Conqueror, The Watcher, etc. take note and be impressed. And when Hank Pym...the same Skrullified Hank Pym who stood shoulder to shoulder with Reed Richards and Stark during Civil War...gets uncovered? Hank Pym Skrull says:"Impossible! You are not smart enough to do that!"
TChalla:"Clearly, I am."
Skrull Hank Pym: "Reed Richards is the smartest of your kind. His technology is the most advanced on your world."
TChalla: "Wrong. Who told you that?"
Skrull Hank Pym: "How did you DO that?"
TChalla: "I only have time to kill you, not explain how paltry your technology is when compared to mine. Perhaps your Skrull Gods can explain to your spirit where you erred, when you get there. If they're in a talkative mood."
*KILLS THE CRAP OUT OF SKRULL HANK PYM*
OTHER HEROES, AGHAST: You KILLED him, TChalla.
TChalla: *Silent. Not caring*
OTHER HEROES: Now we'll NEVER find Hank..!
T'Challa: W'Kabi, are you in position? [ Of course TChalla knew that The Skrulls captured the rest of The Illuminati, because TChalla gave them their first private room in Wakanda for meetings and absolutely spied upon them as they hatched their plans. Which TChalla could easily see would backfire, leading to their capture or death or worse ].
W'KABI: As you commanded, sire.
SHURI: Returning to the RANA KISA [ RANA KISA MEANS "SUN KILLER", THE ULTIMATE INTERDIMENSIONAL AND INTERSTELLAR CLASS BATTLE AND MULTIPURPOSE SHIP; YEARS LATER? TCHALLA INNOVATES FROM THIS CLASS OF SHIP TO CREATE THE ARC SAVING SELECTED HEROES DURING SECRET WARS UNDER HICKMAN ] "MAFI HATSARI NA JINSUNAN" [ Meaning DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES ] with all packages in tow. No casualties. [ Pause; then Shuri adds with an intimidating chuckle sounding more like a she-panther's growl ]. On OUR side! [ The Midnight Angels greet this proclamation with a mighty shout of warrior passion ].
While the other heroes stand around with mouths agape, Shuri returns with THE ILLUMINATI and guides all of the Skrullified Heroes back.
Then? TChalla would not even stoop to handle the hell out of H.A.M.M.E.R. personally. He's already got them beat. He simply ensures that his homies don't catch the H.A.M.M.E.R. static, and provides safe havens for under the radar heroes like Night Thrasher , Patriot, etc.
During Necrosha? Hell. Equipped with an Anubis Class Neutralizer, Ororo leads a Wakandan detachment against Selene [ who's been trying to get TChalla in the sack for rigorous and plenty orgasming for years, which both Ororo and Selene mention as verbal daggers to get under the skin of others; Selene salaciously suggesting that she "had her way with TChalla many times prior to your return; shall I describe the Royal Bedchambers to you?" whereas Ororo permanently knows better, clowns Selene, beats her down, and adds: "...you got the description of The Royal Bedchambers wrong! There were no Royal Bed Chambers until I had them designed. TChalla, being an ascetic, and a warrior, preferred a simple unadorned warrior's rest and meditation chambers. And TChalla...being TChalla...would have had you executed summarily, Selene, had he condescended to lend an ear to your desperate pleas for his attention." ] whoops ass unlimited, reenforces her position as the ultimate incarnation of the Mutant-Human Harmony, Hope and Peace of the [ pre-trashed by later writers ] noble Charles Xavier, digs into Emma Frost with her comments about constant lovemaking with TChalla, flawless problem free relationship with TChalla, Ororo's Queen Status and Queenly infinite wealth, unending shopping, unfeigned, unlimited adoration of the masses and all of the people in the continent of Afrika, etc...
...and after ending the Event after Secret Invasion [ Necrosha ] by smashing the crap out of then killing the crap out of Selene, Ororo takes the Afrikan mutants with her back to Wakanda. Nobody who might have a problem is alive enough to protest the Queen's decisions in this matter. And to put the smash on the magic of Selene? Easy work. We see the long awaited return of Mendinao aided by janky but madd powerful Zawaviri, and we see that Ororo had another plan in mind when she went off to slap the fangs and the taste out of Selene's mouth: Queen Ororo returns with the youngest daughter of the current Modjadji...RAIN QUEEN...as this younger daughter is Afrikan, a mutant, a very powerful witch...
...and rocks blue eyes with signature silver and blood crimson hair. She is part of Ororo's lineage. The first to bear the mark and the blue eyes since Ororo herself.
R to the H would do something even crazier and flyer than allat I wrote above. That's why Marvel was like: HEEELLLL NOOOOO!! MR. R TO THE H AINT DOIN NO KINDA SECRET WARS WRITING OR ANY OTHER ACTUAL PENNING OF A MAJOR MARVEL EVENT.
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Mr RH, what were your thoughts on the teaser trailer? How do you feel About your created Character Shuri being shown?
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Mr. Hudlin, what was your first Black Panther comic book? Was there a sequel in mind for Flags of Our Fathers? What are the specs (your ideas on the functioning) of the protection totem?
I know, you feel like William Shatner at a Star Trek convention. Speaking of Star Trek... Gold Key Monkees comic? How could you pass up a Gold Key live action still cover of their Star Trek line? :o
I remember buying three comics with half covers or no covers in a plastic bag for 35 cents. My firsts were...
Werewolf by Night
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Batman
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Black Panther
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The first Black Panther book I read was his debut in the Fantastic Four. My brother Warrington's book. That locked in who the Panther was to me. When I wrote the book I wanted to get back to that feeling.
The first Panther book I bought was the start of the Killmonger arc. It ended with him being thrown off a cliff.
Yes, I had/have a sequel for Flags of Our Fathers in mind. It is set during T'Challa's teenage years, and it involves Wolverine, Tony Stark, Janet Van Dyne and The Winter Soldier.
If the Gold Key Star Trek was on the spinner rack, they may have been a hard choice between that and the Monkees book. But it wasn't so Monkees it was.
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Am I the only one amused by the fact that the first two comics have almost the exact same layout? The vampires even LOOK alike....
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Am I the only one amused by the fact that the first two comics have almost the exact same layout? The vampires even LOOK alike....
If you find that amusing, check out the video about Disney using the same layouts and movements from their older animated movies on new ones.
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I've seen them, actually. ROBIN HOOD was perhaps the worst offender.
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When Marshall comes out, may I get the opportunity to interview you (and the cast) on my radio show, The Takeover: Countdown?
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Hey Mr Hudlin, hope you are doing well this fine day. A few questions for you.
When did you start reading comics?
If you were to do a monthly Black Panther buddy book, what hero would you make his partner(similar to Power Man & Iron Fist)?
What do you think is T'Challa's greatest technological accomplishment?
Thank you and have a great day. 8)
My older brothers read comics so I can't remember a time I didn't read comics. I remember the first comic I bought. We were at the spinner rack and my brothers were grabbing stuff so I asked mom if I could pick one out. I bought a Gold Key Monkees comic. My brothers were disgusted at the choice...they thought it was a waste of 12 cents that could have been spent buying a "real" comic beyond their budget. But I stuck to my guns.
Hmmmm, a Black Panther buddy book. Panther and Storm? Panther and Cage? Panther and Reed?
Greatest tech accomplishment? One of the Priest ideas like that mother box for Wakandans he made, or those big ass battleships.
What was your favorite arc to write during your tenure? which was your least favorite? Also what has been your absolute Favorite feat in T'Challa's publication history?
Honestly, they were all fun to write. Doing the first arc, actually writing the panther, was unbelievable. Three the Hard Way, with all the heroes helping New Orleans post-Katrina, was a highlight. The marriage arc was history and satisfying, despite hateration. The annual with Storm and T'Challa's family made me just want to write stories set in that time. The story on the Skull gladiator planet was enjoyable because I loved that original story so much, plus I got to put MLK, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers all in one story.
Mr. Hudlin, thanks for participating in this thread of Q&A. I really enjoy reading your answers as to what your ideas for BP would have been and they give joy and pain in that they confirm what many of us longtime hardcore as well as some new fans who are learning more about the history of this character believed you would have done had you not left the scene. I understand you won't talk about other writers, which is fair. But, whenever I run into someone who says they know the character because of what Coates wrote, I tend to roll my eyes and ask them if they've ever read yours or Christopher Priest's work with BP let alone anything from McGregor, Kirby or even some of the work by McDuffie. Because I feel more BP fans should be aware of how much of the current mythos you have a part in. Even watching the on-screen version of BP by Chadwick Boseman, I see the merging of the Priest/Hudlin depictions of T'Challa and Wakanda (minus Ororo as wife, unfortunately) over anything else. I really hope that more folks go back read some of the writers, like yourself, that actually made BP a bad ass and "A-list" hero in the MU well before he hit the movie screen. To take in the work of ALL writers to see how far the character has come.
Sorry if this isn't really a question as opposed to more of a statement and show of appreciation of your work with BP. But I felt I should speak on it.
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Hey there Mr Hudlin. Hope you are in good spirits today.
Every writer gives T'Challa a different voice when I read their runs. During yours, who's voice did you hear in your head speaking as T'Challa?
Had your run lasted longer, would you have given T'Challa another sibling at some point?
The BP trailer has elements of many Panther runs, yours included ;D. What were you most proud of seeing and what else would you like to see in the movie?
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Mr. Hudlin, what was your first Black Panther comic book? Was there a sequel in mind for Flags of Our Fathers? What are the specs (your ideas on the functioning) of the protection totem?
I know, you feel like William Shatner at a Star Trek convention. Speaking of Star Trek... Gold Key Monkees comic? How could you pass up a Gold Key live action still cover of their Star Trek line? :o
I remember buying three comics with half covers or no covers in a plastic bag for 35 cents. My firsts were...
Werewolf by Night
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Batman
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Black Panther
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The first Black Panther book I read was his debut in the Fantastic Four. My brother Warrington's book. That locked in who the Panther was to me. When I wrote the book I wanted to get back to that feeling.
The first Panther book I bought was the start of the Killmonger arc. It ended with him being thrown off a cliff.
Yes, I had/have a sequel for Flags of Our Fathers in mind. It is set during T'Challa's teenage years, and it involves Wolverine, Tony Stark, Janet Van Dyne and The Winter Soldier.
If the Gold Key Star Trek was on the spinner rack, they may have been a hard choice between that and the Monkees book. But it wasn't so Monkees it was.
You know just sittin' here chattin' with my boi Reggie... yea, you know him the Hollywood director and producer. We met while he was writing the Black Panther. Yea we both be kind of busy. You know him doing his thing on the west coast, me grindin' on the east side but we still find time to check in with each other. :) ;D ;)
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I just saw you got the gig to direct Shadowman, Mr. Hudlin. Cool.
I suppose there's little chance that you are using Priest's version of Michael LeRoi, right?
(I'm probably the only person alive who still owns a copy of his Turok/Shadowman. Even Priest doesn't have a copy. :) )
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I just saw you got the gig to direct Shadowman, Mr. Hudlin. Cool.
I suppose there's little chance that you are using Priest's version of Michael LeRoi, right?
(I'm probably the only person alive who still owns a copy of his Turok/Shadowman. Even Priest doesn't have a copy. :) )
Hmmm.....let me look into my Valiant files.
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Mr. Hudlin, due to the inevitable crash and burn of the Coatesverse, the BP comic book is going to need a recognized name to revitalize it. Two names echo loudly...Priest and yourself. If offered, would you write a limited Black Panther series?
Speaking of follow ups... with your entry into the superhero film genre with Shadowman, would you be intersted in doing one of the cinematic Black Panther sequels?
In addition I will double up on Marvel2100's question and ask your thoughts on the BP teaser trailer.
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Hey there Mr Hudlin. Hope you are in good spirits today.
Every writer gives T'Challa a different voice when I read their runs. During yours, who's voice did you hear in your head speaking as T'Challa?
Had your run lasted longer, would you have given T'Challa another sibling at some point?
The BP trailer has elements of many Panther runs, yours included ;D. What were you most proud of seeing and what else would you like to see in the movie?
If/when I heard T'Challa's voice in my head back when I wrote the series, I heard Sidney Poitier. I always felt he's who Jack was drawing when he first designed the character in Fantastic Four. I could be wrong, but that's who the template is to me.
Very quietly, BP has another sibling, who died during Klaw's attack. I had plans for him too.
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Hey there Mr Hudlin. Hope you are in good spirits today.
Every writer gives T'Challa a different voice when I read their runs. During yours, who's voice did you hear in your head speaking as T'Challa?
Had your run lasted longer, would you have given T'Challa another sibling at some point?
The BP trailer has elements of many Panther runs, yours included ;D. What were you most proud of seeing and what else would you like to see in the movie?
If/when I heard T'Challa's voice in my head back when I wrote the series, I heard Sidney Poitier. I always felt he's who Jack was drawing when he first designed the character in Fantastic Four. I could be wrong, but that's who the template is to me.
Very quietly, BP has another sibling, who died during Klaw's attack. I had plans for him too.
If you can/want to say, Whats the sibling name?
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Hey there Mr Hudlin. Hope you are in good spirits today.
Every writer gives T'Challa a different voice when I read their runs. During yours, who's voice did you hear in your head speaking as T'Challa?
Had your run lasted longer, would you have given T'Challa another sibling at some point?
The BP trailer has elements of many Panther runs, yours included ;D. What were you most proud of seeing and what else would you like to see in the movie?
If/when I heard T'Challa's voice in my head back when I wrote the series, I heard Sidney Poitier. I always felt he's who Jack was drawing when he first designed the character in Fantastic Four. I could be wrong, but that's who the template is to me.
Very quietly, BP has another sibling, who died during Klaw's attack. I had plans for him too.
If you can/want to say, Whats the sibling name?
Holy game changing detail, Batman!!
You know, RH, I had a very strong feeling [ based upon your rendition of Ramonda, and in particular reading about the now deleted details of D'Cigswayo that used to be part of BP's regular biography ] that RH had a brother...twin of Shuri...named D'Cigsway. I included him in my fanfic. I had NO IDEA that you added in the game changer of Klaw killing D'Cigswayo.
I built a bio supposing that D'Cigswayo..."D'Ciggs" as Shuri used to call him as an infant, a nickname that stuck...survived, and was temperamentally a midpoint between Hunter and TChalla, but more rakish and roguish than either. He was loyal, but problematic. And he was Shuri's favorite brother. The static between Shuri and T'Challa was amplified by the exit under a cloud of "disgrace" of D'Ciggs after one of his more complicated roguish off-book actions [ as yet unspecified ] that resulted with his rash action exposing Wakanda to some form of unwanted and unnecessary risk, even though he felt then and felt now that taking his action was the right thing to do [ and Wakanda ultimately benefited from it ]. D'Ciggs is the leader of this generation's Kifalme Shujaa Heshima, The Royal Warriors of Honor...miscalled by the West "The Black Musketeers".
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Hey there Mr Hudlin. Hope you are in good spirits today.
Every writer gives T'Challa a different voice when I read their runs. During yours, who's voice did you hear in your head speaking as T'Challa?
Had your run lasted longer, would you have given T'Challa another sibling at some point?
The BP trailer has elements of many Panther runs, yours included ;D. What were you most proud of seeing and what else would you like to see in the movie?
If/when I heard T'Challa's voice in my head back when I wrote the series, I heard Sidney Poitier. I always felt he's who Jack was drawing when he first designed the character in Fantastic Four. I could be wrong, but that's who the template is to me.
Very quietly, BP has another sibling, who died during Klaw's attack. I had plans for him too.
If you can/want to say, Whats the sibling name?
Arvell. Arvell the Amazing. That's the name.
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The questions that came to mind were; would you be willing to mentor or share expertise in detailing how to start and maintain an independent comic book? Details outlining how to start, team needed, how to acquire necessary funds to cover expenses, publishing and distribution. Would Milestone be interested in producing independent creators and their characters?
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Hey there Mr Hudlin. Hope you are in good spirits today.
Every writer gives T'Challa a different voice when I read their runs. During yours, who's voice did you hear in your head speaking as T'Challa?
Had your run lasted longer, would you have given T'Challa another sibling at some point?
The BP trailer has elements of many Panther runs, yours included ;D. What were you most proud of seeing and what else would you like to see in the movie?
If/when I heard T'Challa's voice in my head back when I wrote the series, I heard Sidney Poitier. I always felt he's who Jack was drawing when he first designed the character in Fantastic Four. I could be wrong, but that's who the template is to me.
Very quietly, BP has another sibling, who died during Klaw's attack. I had plans for him too.
If you can/want to say, Whats the sibling name?
Arvell. Arvell the Amazing. That's the name.
That name makes perfect sense. Sounds very Wakandan... ::)
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News On DC's MILESTONE Relaunch Coming Soon Says JIM LEE
By Chris Arrant, Editor
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DC Entertainment Co-Publisher Jim Lee said that the planned relaunch and reboot of the Milestone line announced two years ago is still alive, and would be moving forward with news possibly coming in the next few months. Touched upon briefly at the "Meet the DC Co-Publishers" panel at Comic-Con International: San Diego earlier this month, this comes alongside news of Milestone's N Steven Harris drawing a new Static/Hardware illustration for September 16's MECCACon in Detroit.
Milestone Media was reformed in January 2015 by Reginald Hudlin and two of its co-founders, Denys Cowan and Derek Dingle. Later that year at 2015's SDCC, DC announced it had reached a deal with the company to once again license the Milestone IP for usage as a comic book line and in other media. Originally founded back in 1992, Milestone began publishing comics in 1993 as an imprint of DC Comics. Although DC later integrated some of Milestone's characters into DC's core superhero line (including Static in the 2011 "New 52" relaunch), Milestone retained ownership of all its characters and had merely licensed usage of the characters and the content they produced in the 1990s to DC.
"We couldn't be more proud and excited about the opportunity to bring the 'Dakota' Universe back to DC," said Lee in 2015. "This is a huge step forward for us in bringing readers a more diversified lineup as part of the new DC Universe, and we're anxiously looking foward to telling new stories that are socially and culturally impactful and representative of the world in which we live."
At the time, DC's plans were for a seperate line co-existing in the broader DC Multiverse but in a seperate dimension, 'Earth-M' (which Lee reconfirmed this month). There was a plan for titles including Static Shock, Icon, Rocket, and Xombi, with creators including Hudlin, Cowan, Geoff Johns, Jim Lee, Bill Sienkiewicz, Ken Lashley, and Christopher Priest. In addition to reviving Milestone characters of the past, Milestone Media said they'll also be introducing new characters and including new creators in the mix.
In July 2016, Lee told CBR that the delays were due to Hudlin's work as a filmmaker. Hudlin refuted that, however, in March 2017, saying that DC was holding up the launch but Milestone was "fixing that challenge."
Warner Bros.'s has since re-released the Static Shock animated series in two DVD sets, and Static was included in the line-up for Warner Bros.'s Young Justice: The Outsiders which is scheduled to debut in 2018.
The questions that came to mind were; would you be willing to mentor or share expertise in detailing how to start and maintain an independent comic book? Details outlining how to start, team needed, how to acquire necessary funds to cover expenses, publishing and distribution. Would Milestone be interested in producing independent creators and their characters?
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That is exciting stuff. I hope milestone gets it's traction going
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That is exciting stuff. I hope milestone gets it's traction going
I think DC is looking to play catch up with minority heroes. Lion's Forge is rocking it with their line up and DC has been sitting on Milestone.
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That is exciting stuff. I hope milestone gets it's traction going
I think DC is looking to play catch up with minority heroes. Lion's Forge is rocking it with their line up and DC has been sitting on Milestone.
Hey Mr Hudlin, I hope your having a good day.
I've always sad that Black Panther needed his own version of a Sinister Six, a team of villains to challenge him at every level:
1. Moses Magnum
2. M'Baku
3. Armless Tiger-Man
4. Windeagle
5. Madam Slay
6. Malice
Those would be my picks for this team.
What team would you envision that could challenge Black Panther?
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That is exciting stuff. I hope milestone gets it's traction going
I think DC is looking to play catch up with minority heroes. Lion's Forge is rocking it with their line up and DC has been sitting on Milestone.
Hey Mr Hudlin, I hope your having a good day.
I've always sad that Black Panther needed his own version of a Sinister Six, a team of villains to challenge him at every level:
1. Moses Magnum
2. M'Baku
3. Armless Tiger-Man
4. Windeagle
5. Madam Slay
6. Malice
Those would be my picks for this team.
What team would you envision that could challenge Black Panther?
I must be tired. You can disregard this question Mr Hudlin. I asked about a Sinister Six over a month ago.
Dang my brain!
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Agreed 100%.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Agreed 100%.
All day, I agree with the above. I found RH's adjustments to the BP mythos to be absolutely essential ,and deeply satisfying. I absolutely couldn't stand the whole idea of Wakanda being technologically backward, and equally heinous and repulsive the notion of Ramonda being kidnapped and raped. FOR A DECADE OR MORE. I just couldn't stomach that. I knew. Right away. That only a White guy would write that and only White folks and Negropeans...really "Negropee-ons"...would find that vomit even remotely acceptable.
However. I think that finding a plausible explanation for past events that makes BP look better and badder and more brilliant than ever, as opposed to erasing them entirely from the narrative, is a better tactic and requires better writing.
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uhhh... when was this story done involving Ramonda?
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A Don McGregor story called "Panthers Quest". Coming out in TPB in the near future.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Agreed 100%.
All day, I agree with the above. I found RH's adjustments to the BP mythos to be absolutely essential ,and deeply satisfying. I absolutely couldn't stand the whole idea of Wakanda being technologically backward, and equally heinous and repulsive the notion of Ramonda being kidnapped and raped. FOR A DECADE OR MORE. I just couldn't stomach that. I knew. Right away. That only a White guy would write that and only White folks and Negropeans...really "Negropee-ons"...would find that vomit even remotely acceptable.
However. I think that finding a plausible explanation for past events that makes BP look better and badder and more brilliant than ever, as opposed to erasing them entirely from the narrative, is a better tactic and requires better writing.
Most whole-heartedly agree. with everything said in these posts.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Agreed 100%.
All day, I agree with the above. I found RH's adjustments to the BP mythos to be absolutely essential ,and deeply satisfying. I absolutely couldn't stand the whole idea of Wakanda being technologically backward, and equally heinous and repulsive the notion of Ramonda being kidnapped and raped. FOR A DECADE OR MORE. I just couldn't stomach that. I knew. Right away. That only a White guy would write that and only White folks and Negropeans...really "Negropee-ons"...would find that vomit even remotely acceptable.
However. I think that finding a plausible explanation for past events that makes BP look better and badder and more brilliant than ever, as opposed to erasing them entirely from the narrative, is a better tactic and requires better writing.
The last time I looked, Coates wasn't Caucasian and he's written actual Wakandan rape camps into the mythos which Don McGregor never did.
T'Challa was created by two Jewish men and has been written with respect by more than a few writers who happened to be Caucasian such as Geoff Johns and David Liss and even the unfortunately maligned Don McGregor himself.
After all it was Don McGregor who fought tooth and nail to keep T'Challa's supporting cast 99-100% African when Marvel editorial were putting mad pressure to throw some white faces in there just because.
I respect Don McGregor for his contribution to the BP mythos just off of the passion he had for the character in spite of the fact that I was overly enthused with the dragging T'Challa through the barbed wire aesthetic that informed some of his BP work.
He wasn't a hater which is more than can be said for Coates.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Agreed 100%.
All day, I agree with the above. I found RH's adjustments to the BP mythos to be absolutely essential ,and deeply satisfying. I absolutely couldn't stand the whole idea of Wakanda being technologically backward, and equally heinous and repulsive the notion of Ramonda being kidnapped and raped. FOR A DECADE OR MORE. I just couldn't stomach that. I knew. Right away. That only a White guy would write that and only White folks and Negropeans...really "Negropee-ons"...would find that vomit even remotely acceptable.
However. I think that finding a plausible explanation for past events that makes BP look better and badder and more brilliant than ever, as opposed to erasing them entirely from the narrative, is a better tactic and requires better writing.
The last time I looked, Coates wasn't Caucasian and he's written actual Wakandan rape camps into the mythos which Don McGregor never did.
T'Challa was created by two Jewish men and has been written with respect by more than a few writers who happened to be Caucasian such as Geoff Johns and David Liss and even the unfortunately maligned Don McGregor himself.
After all it was Don McGregor who fought tooth and nail to keep T'Challa's supporting cast 99-100% African when Marvel editorial were putting mad pressure to throw some white faces in there just because.
I respect Don McGregor for his contribution to the BP mythos just off of the passion he had for the character in spite of the fact that I was overly enthused with the dragging T'Challa through the barbed wire aesthetic that informed some of his BP work.
He wasn't a hater which is more than can be said for Coates.
There is absolutely NO REDEEMING OF COATES. The sooner and faster and more thoroughly he is off the book? The better. I can't emphasize that enough. Also? I deem Coates to be both a Negropean and a Negro-pee on. I mentioned Negropeans and Negro-pee ons above. So, yeah. We agree TNC isn't White and he wrote the absolute worst rendition of BP that any person of color could ever write.
But I found a plausible write-around of his garbage almost immediately. I think finding a plausible write around is a hallmark of a superior writer, and simply wholesale erasing stuff [ while convenient and in TNC's case is absolutely a good idea; not the best idea imo but a good one ] is both easier and signals a less creative, maybe less intelligent, more complacent approach to the writing material on hand.
So. One way is to erase the whole vomitous pile of yukk from memory. The other ? Is to write around the bad stuff which is 99.999 percent of his garbage, and keep the good. That's what I would do. Because some of the stuff he introduced [ The Force Push, The Ancient Future, the reconnect with Storm, the exploration of Wakanda's Gods and a few other things ] have tremendous potential far beyond the weakness of his writing and T'Chumpaness of his whole getdown.
Take that. And add lots of good stuff. Like CJP did with a lot of the BP mythos [ if not all of it ] is a way that I would go. Whereas an erasure eliminates the potentially incredible stuff that can be done with an actually GOOD writer who REALLY IS A MAJOR FAN of T'Challa.
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The Farce Push is an overused gimmick now. Correct me if I'm wrong (I refuse to go back and look) but if I recall correctly, it's never even been named on panel.
The "Ancient Future" is a Dreamtime ripoff that's merely used as an excuse for information dumps.
And the Faux-rishas... are set dressing. And make no sense from either a Marvel perspective (since that pantheon already exists there), a real-life perspective (since he invented most of those names, except the ones he cribbed from Egypt), or even a Wakandan perspective (we have a Panther God, but no White Gorilla God, Lion God, or Crocodile God?). Hell, Ewing has done more work to justify the Progenitors (creators of the Kree, essentially their gods)... and they even LOOK the same.
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I can understand the desire to expand the Wakandan world... but some ideas come with too much baggage to use.
And some writers are too crap to remember. Better by far to let them fade away….
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Agreed 100%.
All day, I agree with the above. I found RH's adjustments to the BP mythos to be absolutely essential ,and deeply satisfying. I absolutely couldn't stand the whole idea of Wakanda being technologically backward, and equally heinous and repulsive the notion of Ramonda being kidnapped and raped. FOR A DECADE OR MORE. I just couldn't stomach that. I knew. Right away. That only a White guy would write that and only White folks and Negropeans...really "Negropee-ons"...would find that vomit even remotely acceptable.
However. I think that finding a plausible explanation for past events that makes BP look better and badder and more brilliant than ever, as opposed to erasing them entirely from the narrative, is a better tactic and requires better writing.
The last time I looked, Coates wasn't Caucasian and he's written actual Wakandan rape camps into the mythos which Don McGregor never did.
T'Challa was created by two Jewish men and has been written with respect by more than a few writers who happened to be Caucasian such as Geoff Johns and David Liss and even the unfortunately maligned Don McGregor himself.
After all it was Don McGregor who fought tooth and nail to keep T'Challa's supporting cast 99-100% African when Marvel editorial were putting mad pressure to throw some white faces in there just because.
I respect Don McGregor for his contribution to the BP mythos just off of the passion he had for the character in spite of the fact that I was overly enthused with the dragging T'Challa through the barbed wire aesthetic that informed some of his BP work.
He wasn't a hater which is more than can be said for Coates.
There is absolutely NO REDEEMING OF COATES. The sooner and faster and more thoroughly he is off the book? The better. I can't emphasize that enough. Also? I deem Coates to be both a Negropean and a Negro-pee on. I mentioned Negropeans and Negro-pee ons above. So, yeah. We agree TNC isn't White and he wrote the absolute worst rendition of BP that any person of color could ever write.
But I found a plausible write-around of his garbage almost immediately. I think finding a plausible write around is a hallmark of a superior writer, and simply wholesale erasing stuff [ while convenient and in TNC's case is absolutely a good idea; not the best idea imo but a good one ] is both easier and signals a less creative, maybe less intelligent, more complacent approach to the writing material on hand.
So. One way is to erase the whole vomitous pile of yukk from memory. The other ? Is to write around the bad stuff which is 99.999 percent of his garbage, and keep the good. That's what I would do. Because some of the stuff he introduced [ The Force Push, The Ancient Future, the reconnect with Storm, the exploration of Wakanda's Gods and a few other things ] have tremendous potential far beyond the weakness of his writing and T'Chumpaness of his whole getdown.
Take that. And add lots of good stuff. Like CJP did with a lot of the BP mythos [ if not all of it ] is a way that I would go. Whereas an erasure eliminates the potentially incredible stuff that can be done with an actually GOOD writer who REALLY IS A MAJOR FAN of T'Challa.
Bro, I already know that Coates is a crap writer.
What I took umbrage to was your assertion that only a "White man" could come up with, and appreciate negative/offensive stories set in the BP mythos.
Coates is an African-American author of political nonfiction books who on the surface appears to be "woke" but is anything but based on his BP book thus far.
I don't know whether that makes him "Negropean" or not but I do agree that his tenure as BP scribe has been really bad for the BP mythos as a whole.
I don't care what the ethnic background or gender of a writer is as long as they deliver solid work that elevates T'Challa and Wakanda.
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The Farce Push is an overused gimmick now. Correct me if I'm wrong (I refuse to go back and look) but if I recall correctly, it's never even been named on panel.
The "Ancient Future" is a Dreamtime ripoff that's merely used as an excuse for information dumps.
And the Faux-rishas... are set dressing. And make no sense from either a Marvel perspective (since that pantheon already exists there), a real-life perspective (since he invented most of those names, except the ones he cribbed from Egypt), or even a Wakandan perspective (we have a Panther God, but no White Gorilla God, Lion God, or Crocodile God?). Hell, Ewing has done more work to justify the Progenitors (creators of the Kree, essentially their gods)... and they even LOOK the same.
(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ROYALS2017009-cov.jpg)
I can understand the desire to expand the Wakandan world... but some ideas come with too much baggage to use.
And some writers are too crap to remember. Better by far to let them fade away….
Coates wholesale creation of unnecessary characters/deities reeks of desperation and a desire to be seen as a writer who's brought something "new" to a mythos that was fresh before he came into "wriring" comicbooks.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Everything posted gets two thumbs way up.
Mr. Hudlin I'd like to ask what are your thoughts on the rekindling of T'Challa and Ororo's relationship? In your opinion was enough ground work laid to get them back to where you left them? Do you think there's a chance that your vision can still work? If so, are there any things that should be done to bring them closer? Have they hashed all their baggage and gripes out to your liking? Do you think genuine fans of your work and the foundation you laid are wrong to still advocate for them as a couple? Or are they living in a bubble of denial to believe Marvel won't come and smash it to bits all over again? Enquiring minds would love to read your response. Thank you for all you've done.
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Everything posted gets two thumbs way up.
Mr. Hudlin I'd like to ask what are your thoughts on the rekindling of T'Challa and Ororo's relationship? In your opinion was enough ground work laid to get them back to where you left them? Do you think there's a chance that your vision can still work? If so, are there any things that should be done to bring them closer? Have they hashed all their baggage and gripes out to your liking? Do you think genuine fans of your work and the foundation you laid are wrong to still advocate for them as a couple? Or are they living in a bubble of denial to believe Marvel won't come and smash it to bits all over again? Enquiring minds would love to read your response. Thank you for all you've done.
TChalla+Ororo 4 Life...like Mack-10 said. "Foe Life! Foe Liife! T'Choro! Comin thru the MU with stripes!"
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Mr Hudlin, have you heard any news about BET rebroadcasting your Black Panther the Animated Series especially post release of the new film early next year?
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Hey Mr Hundlin. I just became aware of the Milestone issue. I hope things work out for the best for all concerned. On another note, what was your greatest contribution to the mythos and legacy of the Black Panther? I thought the concept of Wakanda being unconquered for 10,000 years, the creation of Shuri, the marriage of Black Panther and Storm and that T'challa's mother was never kidnapped and raped were standouts.
Everything posted gets two thumbs way up.
Mr. Hudlin I'd like to ask what are your thoughts on the rekindling of T'Challa and Ororo's relationship? In your opinion was enough ground work laid to get them back to where you left them? Do you think there's a chance that your vision can still work? If so, are there any things that should be done to bring them closer? Have they hashed all their baggage and gripes out to your liking? Do you think genuine fans of your work and the foundation you laid are wrong to still advocate for them as a couple? Or are they living in a bubble of denial to believe Marvel won't come and smash it to bits all over again? Enquiring minds would love to read your response. Thank you for all you've done.
TChalla+Ororo 4 Life...like Mack-10 said. "Foe Life! Foe Liife! T'Choro! Comin thru the MU with stripes!"
LMAO yes! I'm wit it!
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Mr. Hudlin, will you be reading Jesse J. Holland interpretation of events that you penned in Who is the Black Panther?
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If so, would you be willing to share your thoughts on the subject?
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Mr. H, did you and Chadwick discuss Black Panther during the filming of Marshall? Did you read Jesse Holland's Who is the Black Panther and if so what did you think of it?
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Mr Hudlin, we are having a most engaging discussion on qualifying T'Challa's strength as either peak or superhuman. I thought I remember reading during your run that the Black Panther did not use the herb or something to that effect. Was there a reference made about one of the Panthers fighting Cap and T'Challa remarking that it wasn't a fair fight as Cap was enhanced? Would you weigh in on this topic?.
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Mr Hudlin, we are having a most engaging discussion on qualifying T'Challa's strength as either peak or superhuman. I thought I remember reading during your run that the Black Panther did not use the herb or something to that effect. Was there a reference made about one of the Panthers fighting Cap and T'Challa remarking that it wasn't a fair fight as Cap was enhanced? Would you weigh in on this topic?.
You might be thinking of "Before the Storm" when Tchalla talks about the fight with some guy during his walk about. But after thinking about it, would Tchalla tell a non Wakandan that they have a herb that can enhance human abilities? I'd think he tell the cover story to keep the state secrets.
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Mr Hudlin, we are having a most engaging discussion on qualifying T'Challa's strength as either peak or superhuman. I thought I remember reading during your run that the Black Panther did not use the herb or something to that effect. Was there a reference made about one of the Panthers fighting Cap and T'Challa remarking that it wasn't a fair fight as Cap was enhanced? Would you weigh in on this topic?.
You might be thinking of "Before the Storm" when Tchalla talks about the fight with some guy during his walk about. But after thinking about it, would Tchalla tell a non Wakandan that they have a herb that can enhance human abilities? I'd think he tell the cover story to keep the state secrets.
Not quite accurate. It WAS the " PRELUDE TO THE MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY Storm" miniseries written by EJD but EJD had young T'Challa state that his father T'Chaka wasn't enhanced when he fought AND BEAT DOWN Captain America...whereas Cap WAS enhanced by his SSS. This very clearly indicated that T'Chaka WAS BORN PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR TO SSS CAP, which made all the sense in the world to me. Neither T'Chaka nor T'Challa have had their strength enhanced via the HSH. I remember this so vividly because I had been very much of this opinion and had been waiting for an author to bald face state that which I wanted and believed in print for quite some time.
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And even Don McGregor specified that the HSH gave T'Challa a spiritual strength and a unique connection to panthers the world over...and had Wakandan scientists opine that the HSH enhanced T'Challa's proprioceptive senses to the peak of human ability. It didn't seem to give him Peak Human Strength even then. I remember the lush painted scenes of that PANTHER'S PREY miniseries very well.
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I mean...tell me that you ain't feelin T'Choro. I am and always will. This is the PERFECT matchup for T'Challa. I swear fo' Ginger Snaps, yall, that T'Choro is the straight up greatest thing in comics.
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He probably wasn't enhanced under McGregor, but at the same time he got beat up by every villain he came across and had to struggle to win. I think a guy managed to pistol whip him in a grocery store. If he wasn't enhanced then, probably wished he was. lol
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He probably wasn't enhanced under McGregor, but at the same time he got beat up by every villain he came across and had to struggle to win. I think a guy managed to pistol whip him in a grocery store. If he wasn't enhanced then, probably wished he was. lol
You're RIGHT. T'Challa could whip the butt of any acrobatic, leaping, grace, silent stealth, or whatever other noncombat feat not featuring a villain resisting him, but under Don's pen? T'CHALLA GOT BEAT UP BY A GANG OF REGULAR NONMUTANT WHITE TEENAGERS. AND THERE WASN'T EVEN A LOT OF THEM, EITHER.
T'Challa needed to be enhanced by someone who wrote stories of him ACTUALLY EFFORTLESSLY AND DECISIVELY WINNING FIGHTS. Lol.
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So. R to the H. The T'Challa you wrote. Superhuman strength or nah? And what exactly is superhuman to you? Please holla Black, sir...
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McGregor, for the good he did sometimes wrote the most whack nonsensical beatings to TChalla. He had an old lady split his scalp with a can..
That being said I'm still under the impression that TChalla enhanced
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McGregor, for the good he did sometimes wrote the most whack nonsensical beatings to TChalla. He had an old lady split his scalp with a can..
That being said I'm still under the impression that TChalla enhanced
An enhanced can opener.
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McGregor, for the good he did sometimes wrote the most whack nonsensical beatings to TChalla. He had an old lady split his scalp...
True.
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McGregor, for the good he did sometimes wrote the most whack nonsensical beatings to TChalla. He had an old lady split his scalp with a can..
That being said I'm still under the impression that TChalla enhanced
All of which paled in comparison to Ta Nehisi Coates three years plus of torture porn masquerading as a Black Panther solo.
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McGregor, for the good he did sometimes wrote the most whack nonsensical beatings to TChalla. He had an old lady split his scalp with a can..
That being said I'm still under the impression that TChalla enhanced
All of which paled in comparison to Ta Nehisi Coates three years plus of torture porn masquerading as a Black Panther solo.
COMPLETE. CO-SIGN!!
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Dear Mr Hudlin,
I was recently asked by someone newly introduced to Black Panther, after reading your entire run (via your iteration's three volume TPB collection) why T'Challa didn't have the armor available that he used the first time he confronted Doom? I attempted to explain to some degree but thought it might make more sense if you could do such?
25583
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PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!
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RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.
Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!
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PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!
(https://mb.web.sapo.io/fac33d771ea7c075e229b310bb0f3ff116a27c96.jpg)
RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.
Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!
We absolutely love BP! And I for one absolutely believe that T'Challa should be recast. What would be REALLY a good look? Is if they pay T'Chadwick's family some of the proceeds from BP 2. Give them 1% of the movie's proceeds...which is basically going to break a billion dollars. So that's what...$10 million? Give T'Chadwick's family THAT.
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Please consider and, if it speaks to you, sign and share.
https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-and-continue-the-hero-chadwick-gave-for-black-boys?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24735636_en-US%3A5&recruiter=1149733728&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition (https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-and-continue-the-hero-chadwick-gave-for-black-boys?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24735636_en-US%3A5&recruiter=1149733728&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition)
I dont expect to change anything but I'll be damned if the heretics keep running around freely saying "BP fans dont want a recast". Ain't no one asked me, b$%#!
Let's at least be heard.
Peace,
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Please consider and, if it speaks to you, sign and share.
https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-and-continue-the-hero-chadwick-gave-for-black-boys?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24735636_en-US%3A5&recruiter=1149733728&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition (https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-and-continue-the-hero-chadwick-gave-for-black-boys?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24735636_en-US%3A5&recruiter=1149733728&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition)
I dont expect to change anything but I'll be damned if the heretics keep running around freely saying "BP fans dont want a recast". Ain't no one asked me, b$%#!
Let's at least be heard.
Peace,
Great find Mortal Man. I signed the petition and wholeheartedly support your sentiments on letting it be known that BP fans and enthusiasts want the MCU's T'Challa Black Panther to continue well into the future.
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Please consider and, if it speaks to you, sign and share.
https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-and-continue-the-hero-chadwick-gave-for-black-boys?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24735636_en-US%3A5&recruiter=1149733728&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition (https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-and-continue-the-hero-chadwick-gave-for-black-boys?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24735636_en-US%3A5&recruiter=1149733728&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition)
I dont expect to change anything but I'll be damned if the heretics keep running around freely saying "BP fans dont want a recast". Ain't no one asked me, b$%#!
Let's at least be heard.
Peace,
Great find Mortal Man. I signed the petition and wholeheartedly support your sentiments on letting it be known that BP fans and enthusiasts want the MCU's T'Challa Black Panther to continue well into the future.
Yeah, most definitely agree. We can't lose Chad and T'Challa.
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‘How Dare We Not Vote?’
Black Voters Organize After DC March
Associated Press
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Tears streamed down Brooke Moreland’s face as she watched tens of thousands gather on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to decry systemic racism and demand racial justice in the wake of several police killings of Black Americans.
But for the Indianapolis mother of three, the fiery speeches delivered Friday at the commemoration of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom also gave way to one central message: Vote and demand change at the ballot box in November.
“As Black people, a lot of the people who look like us died for us to be able to sit in public, to vote, to go to school and to be able to walk around freely and live our lives,” the 31-year-old Moreland said. “Every election is an opportunity, so how dare we not vote after our ancestors fought for us to be here?”
full article
https://news.wttw.com/2020/08/30/how-dare-we-not-vote-black-voters-organize-after-dc-march
LET'S VOTE HEF...
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Read this in the YouTube comments section; the suggestion was so wild & imaginative felt I'd share here at HEF:
Florida Man
1 day ago (edited)
Before Killmonger “died”, his last words were “bury me in the OCEAN, with my ancestors”.
It could be that Killmonger did get buried in the ocean in accordance to his dying wish, and instead of dying he was found by Namor and the Atlanteans.
He was then saved and taken in so they could gather intelligence on Wakanda.
Perfect way to introduce Namor as well as keep Killmonger alive.
Edit: if you still think it doesn’t make sense for him to be alive, think again. Sure, there is no plausible explanation for a regular human to live that long after being stabbed in the chest, but the heart shaped herb is a supernatural thing that grants superhuman ability. Therefore it’s not unreasonable to make it so that he was able to live long enough to be saved.
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Read this in the YouTube comments section; the suggestion was so wild & imaginative felt I'd share here at HEF:
Florida Man
1 day ago (edited)
Before Killmonger “died”, his last words were “bury me in the OCEAN, with my ancestors”.
It could be that Killmonger did get buried in the ocean in accordance to his dying wish, and instead of dying he was found by Namor and the Atlanteans.
He was then saved and taken in so they could gather intelligence on Wakanda.
Perfect way to introduce Namor as well as keep Killmonger alive.
Edit: if you still think it doesn’t make sense for him to be alive, think again. Sure, there is no plausible explanation for a regular human to live that long after being stabbed in the chest, but the heart shaped herb is a supernatural thing that grants superhuman ability. Therefore it’s not unreasonable to make it so that he was able to live long enough to be saved.
By AUSAR! That could WORK!! It's a VERY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR BRINGING KILLMONGER BACK AT A LATER DATE!! It's absolutely terrific, all the way around...
...but it trivializes his death scene. The payoff for bringing him back? Must be significantly greater and more impactful than his death was; and THAT, True Believers? Is a very hard thing to do.
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‘How Dare We Not Vote?’
Black Voters Organize After DC March
Associated Press
(https://news.wttw.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/article/image-non-gallery/Racial_Injustice_March_On_Washington_20241731878406%20%281%29.jpg?itok=FM1f1yA8)
WASHINGTON (AP) — Tears streamed down Brooke Moreland’s face as she watched tens of thousands gather on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to decry systemic racism and demand racial justice in the wake of several police killings of Black Americans.
But for the Indianapolis mother of three, the fiery speeches delivered Friday at the commemoration of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom also gave way to one central message: Vote and demand change at the ballot box in November.
“As Black people, a lot of the people who look like us died for us to be able to sit in public, to vote, to go to school and to be able to walk around freely and live our lives,” the 31-year-old Moreland said. “Every election is an opportunity, so how dare we not vote after our ancestors fought for us to be here?”
full article
https://news.wttw.com/2020/08/30/how-dare-we-not-vote-black-voters-organize-after-dc-march
LET'S VOTE HEF...
This is EXACTLY the message I'm trying to drill into my kids. Their mother's apathy, however, is making such things very difficult...
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...but it trivializes his death scene.
I'm glad you liked the idea, Supreme! :)
re: trivializes his death scene
...or maybe Killmonger's dying wish could signify how calculating, strategic and Wakandan he really is; much like the original Black Panther, he always had a Plan B.
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POLL RESULTS: Should Marvel Recast Black Panther?
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BY KYLIE HEMMERT ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2020
POLL RESULTS: Should Marvel Recast Black Panther?
The results are in after ComingSoon.net asked our readers to weigh in on whether or not the late Chadwick Boseman’s Black Panther should be recast, if another character should take up the mantle, or if the studio should cancel any future Black Panther movies, with nearly 4,800 votes! Check out the results below and let us know in the comments if you have different thoughts!
Should Marvel Recast Black Panther?
Yes, but it should not be T’Challa, it should be another character taking the mantle like Shuri or S’Yan (2,444 votes)
YES! They have to recast T’Challa with a great performer like John David Washington or John Boyega because he’s too important to the MCU (1,768 votes)
No, Chadwick Boseman was too memorable in the role, they should not make more Black Panther films (578 votes)
full article
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1148032-poll-results-should-marvel-recast-black-panther (https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1148032-poll-results-should-marvel-recast-black-panther)
Recasting T'Challa is in second place as of September. Lets achieve first place by years end.
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BLACK PANTHER RECAST
By David Calderon
With a character like T’Challa, it would be a waste to lose such an important character people have come to love and respect. Of course, there are plenty of people out there who think to recast T’Challa would be a dishonor to Chadwick Boseman. I think they’re wrong.
https://www.driftingdudes.com/post/black-panther-recast (https://www.driftingdudes.com/post/black-panther-recast)
Why We Think They Should Recast Black Panther
By Beautlin
We also stand with that and say, why not cast another dynamic actor who stands for everything Chadwick stood for. That will keep the Black Panther movie going forward and keep giving hopes to the millions of Africans worldwide. And come on, it’s not like we can or will ever forget Chadwick. Nothing will make us forget him.
https://thenewsfetcher.com/why-we-think-they-should-recast-black-panther/ (https://thenewsfetcher.com/why-we-think-they-should-recast-black-panther/)
3 Reasons Why Marvel Should Recast the Black Panther.
by CRAIG ARNOTT
However, keep in mind that if they recast T'Challa with a new actor, there are plus sides to this. It is also worth remembering that Marvel and the actor they choose will both be consciously aware of how much the character means to so many. With Marvel constantly nailing the actors they choose, it is worth keeping faith that if we get a new T'Challa it will be a continuation of Chadwick's legacy as a character and not out of disrespect. As Black Panther says, "Wakanda Forever" meaning Chadwick's memory will never die regardless of what happens.
https://vocal.media/geeks/3-reasons-why-marvel-should-recast-the-black-panther (https://vocal.media/geeks/3-reasons-why-marvel-should-recast-the-black-panther)
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PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!
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RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.
Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!
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It ain't over... This Could All Happen Again.
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It ain't over... This Could All Happen Again.
As long as someone like Redjack or Ture is NOT scripting the BP ongoing? You can pretty much rest assured that SOMEone will do this to BP in the 616...
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Imagine R to the H (if I may Supreme?) doing his own live action Disney+ Black Panther series with an all new cast. World War Wakanda would work so well especially with the whole multiverse opening up.
Could this be an answer to the future of the BP franchise.
Maybe Marvel doesn't do any more BP films with the original cast. For all we know Letia may not even want to play Shuri taking the mantle of Black Panther. Maybe Civil War, Black Panther, Infinity War and Endgame conclude the Boseman era. They instead do a reboot on Disney+. Would that satisfy those claiming respect for Chadwick Boseman's legacy?
How about possibly delaying the film for another 2 years to get the first season out and explain this is another universe, I don;t know possibly the 710 universe (shameless plug...) and have that universe's T'Challa be exchanged with the MCU universe known as Earth-199999 by some strange magic or what have you. Possibly solving the recast situation.
What if Marvel keeps BP Disney+ separate from the BP movie franchise? What if Earth-199999 T'Challa got lost in space and winds up doing the Empire of Wakanda more along the lines of Hudlin's Black to the Future on the streaming service and what if because of this Shuri has to become the new BP in the MCU verse for the next film. Would that appease the "fans"?
Or, or they could simply recast T'Challa go forward with original movie franchise for several films and do a wholly original take based on Priest's BP and go Game of Thrones with Wakanda on their streaming platform. Marvel must know by now that the world can't get enough of the Black Panther, That is why they can't kill T'Challa. Black Panther Forever.
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Imagine R to the H (if I may Supreme?) doing his own live action Disney+ Black Panther series with an all new cast. World War Wakanda would work so well especially with the whole multiverse opening up.
Could this be an answer to the future of the BP franchise.
Maybe Marvel doesn't do any more BP films with the original cast. For all we know Letia may not even want to play Shuri taking the mantle of Black Panther. Maybe Civil War, Black Panther, Infinity War and Endgame conclude the Boseman era. They instead do a reboot on Disney+. Would that satisfy those claiming respect for Chadwick Boseman's legacy?
How about possibly delaying the film for another 2 years to get the first season out and explain this is another universe, I don;t know possibly the 710 universe (shameless plug...) and have that universe's T'Challa be exchanged with the MCU universe known as Earth-199999 by some strange magic or what have you. Possibly solving the recast situation.
What if Marvel keeps BP Disney+ separate from the BP movie franchise? What if Earth-199999 T'Challa got lost in space and winds up doing the Empire of Wakanda more along the lines of Hudlin's Black to the Future on the streaming service and what if because of this Shuri has to become the new BP in the MCU verse for the next film. Would that appease the "fans"?
Or, or they could simply recast T'Challa go forward with original movie franchise for several films and do a wholly original take based on Priest's BP and go Game of Thrones with Wakanda on their streaming platform. Marvel must know by now that the world can't get enough of the Black Panther, That is why they can't kill T'Challa. Black Panther Forever.
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My reaction to all the goodness contained in the above post:
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That's wassup Bro. Supreme. Thanks for the luv.
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Marvel star Letitia Wright LIKES tweets calling for her to be recast and Black Panther sequel to be cancelled as she is slammed online for sharing COVID anti-vax video asking if the vaccine will implant 5G antennas inside people...
Black Panther star Letitia Wright, 27, is facing calls for her to be recast in the movie's sequel after her online comments about a COVID-19 vaccine. The British actress herself liked tweets that read ‘cancel Black Panther 2 immediately’ and ‘nah she needs to be recast’. Wright faced the backlash after she posted a YouTube clip that questioned the efficacy of the coronavirus jab on Thursday night. She was even slammed by Marvel co-star Don Cheadle who called it 'garbage'. Wright doubled down Friday, saying she wanted to raise her fears about vaccines. She added that people are 'canceled' as soon as they 'don't conform to popular opinions', possibly referencing the calls for her to be recast. Marvel Studios or its owners Disney have not commented on the controversy. The franchise has previously replaced actors such as Edward Norton who was replaced by Mark Ruffalo as The Hulk.
By FRANCES MULRANEY and CHRIS JEWERS and JAMES GANT FOR MAILONLINE
full article
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9019729/Marvel-star-Letitia-Wright-LIKES-tweets-calling-recast-Black-Panther-sequel.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9019729/Marvel-star-Letitia-Wright-LIKES-tweets-calling-recast-Black-Panther-sequel.html)
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Author Eric Jerome Dickey Has Died At 59
HE PASSED AWAY ON JANUARY 3 AFTER A LENGTHY ILLNESS.
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We are saddened to report on the January 3 death of New York Times bestselling author Eric Jerome Dickey. The news was confirmed by his publicist. He was 59 years old.
“I am heart broken. My cousin, Eric Jerome Dickey passed away on yesterday,” wrote La Verne Madison Fuller on social media. “Guys, when God tells you to do something, just do it. Just a few weeks ago, God woke me up to text him and say that I loved him. He let me know that he loved us too.”
Dickey was the man behind several classic books about the more tender realities of Black life, including “Sister, Sister,” “Friends & Lovers” and “Between Lovers.” In 2020, “Sister, Sister” was honored by Essence as one of the 50 most impactful books of the past 50 years.
Over 7 million of his books have been published worldwide.
Dickey was a native of Memphis, Tennessee and attended Memphis State University. He began writing stories in 1989, 7 years before his debut novel was published. At the time, he was still working as an engineer, following through on his college major.
After leaving the engineering field to work as a comedian and actor, Dickey moved to Los Angeles. He wrote his own comedic material, deepening his connection to writing.
It was through his work that many Black people were able to feel seen and an outpouring of love has began on social media since the news broke of his death.
“I am truly saddened to hear about the passing of Eric Jerome Dickey,” author Roxane Gay wrote on Twitter. “His were some of the first novels I ever read about black people that weren’t about slavery of civil rights. He was a great storyteller.”
Journalist Ernest Owens also paid tribute, writing, “Eric Jerome Dickey” was one of the first “grown folks” book authors I used to sneak to read when I was in middle school. A unique literary voice that left a mark in Black culture for ever.”
In a 2019 interview, Dickey spoke on the purpose behind his stories. “I don’t intentionally write a book with an idea of ‘the moral to this story is,’ because I’m more focused on letting the people in the book live,” he said. “I just try to do my best. I never know if I’ve hit the nail on the head, if it’s really worked, until I put it out there for people to read.”
We are sending love to Dickey’s family and all those that knew him.
https://www.essence.com/news/eric-jerome-dickey-obituary/ (https://www.essence.com/news/eric-jerome-dickey-obituary/)
Of course we here at the HEF will always remember him for...
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Daniel Kaluuya on When He Realized ‘Black Panther’ Was Bigger Than Just a Movie
By Ramin Setoodeh
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Daniel Kaluuya first realized that “Black Panther” would become a cultural phenomenon when he was shooting the 2018 Marvel superhero movie.
In an interview for Variety’s Actors on Actors, Kaluuya and Tom Holland spoke together about their latest projects. In “Judas and the Black Messiah,” Kaluuya stars as civil rights leader Fred Hampton. And in “Cherry,” Holland playing a war veteran suffering from PTSD and drug addiction.
During the conversation, the two actors talked about their experiences making Marvel movies. Holland is Spider-Man, of course. And Kaluuya played W’Kabi, the best friend to T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman), in a movie that shattered box office records, grossing $1.3 billion worldwide.
“I think it’s something that we were aware that was bubbling,” Kaluuya says, when asked if knew how big “Black Panther” would be. “There was one day, we did the waterfall scene, and obviously in between takes, everyone just stays on set, and there were hundreds of people on set. And we had actual drummers in between the takes. They would play the beat for Snoop Dogg’s ‘Drop It Like It’s Hot.’”
Kaluuya remembers how everyone on the set suddenly came together. “And then everyone would go ‘Snoop!’” Kaluuya says. “Like, hundreds of people would literally do that, and when I saw that, I was like — yeah, this isn’t going to be quiet. There was just an energy. Everyone was so privileged to be part of this moment.”
“It felt like a moment,” Kaluuya adds. “We’re able to show this world in a way that we see us, and it being a Marvel film. You’re bringing something into the world that doesn’t exist, and that’s just really difficult because there’s no blueprint, there’s no template. And there’s some pains in doing that. But when people receive it and people take it as their own, and kids and families are going dressed to the cinemas, it makes everything worth it.”
For our full interview with Kaluuya
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/daniel-kaluuya-black-panther-1234888250/
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Nikki Giovanni Creates Black Panther Story For Tales Of Wakanda
Posted on February 1, 2021 | by Rich Johnston
This month, Titan Comics is publishing a new short-story anthology, Black Panther: Tales of Wakanda, dubbed "a ground-breaking anthology from the African Diaspora", edited by Jesse J. Holland. A regular on C-SPAN's Washington Journal program, in 2017 he published both The Invisibles: The Untold Story of African American Slaves in The White House and Black Panther: Who Is the Black Panther?, the first prose novel about the character. He is also contributing a story to the volume.
Other contributors include Sheree Renée Thomas, the new editor of the long-running Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction. Danian Darrell Jerry, a member of the hip-hop collective Iron Mic Coalition. Troy L. Wiggins, a veteran contributor to such genre magazines as Uncanny and Beneath Ceaseless Skies. And Nikki Giovanni, 77, the poet and activist known as "The Poet of the Black Revolution" for her Black Power-inspired writings of the 1960s and '70s.
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A ground-breaking anthology celebrating Marvel's beloved Black Panther and his home of Wakanda, penned by an all-star cast of authors such as Sheree Renée Thomas and Nikki Giovanni.
T'Challa faces the gods of his parents. Vampires stalk Shuri and a Dora Milaje in voodoo-laced New Orleans. Erik Killmonger grapples with racism, Russian spies, and his own origins. Eighteen brand-new tales of Wakanda, its people, and its legacy.
The first mainstream superhero of African descent, the Black Panther has attracted readers of all races and colors who see in the King of Wakanda reflections of themselves. Storytellers from across the African Diaspora—some already literary legends, others who are rising stars—have created for this collection original works inspired by the world of the Panther and its inhabitants. With guest stars including Storm, Monica Rambeau, Namor, and Jericho Drumm, these are stories of yesterday and today, of science and magic, of faith and love.
These are the tales of a king and his country. These are the legends whispered in the jungle, myths of the unconquered men and women and the land they love.
These are the Tales of Wakanda.
Featuring stories by Linda D. Addison, Maurice Broaddus, Christopher Chambers, Milton J. Davis, Tananarive Due, Nikki Giovanni, Harlan James, Danian Jerry, Kyoko M., L.L. McKinney, Temi Oh, Suyi Davies Okungbowa, Glenn Parris, Alex Simmons, Sheree Renée Thomas, Cadwell Turnbull and Troy L. Wiggins.
The collection will be published next week by Titan Books in the UK, but will only make it to the US in March.
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/nikki-giovanni-creates-black-panther-story-for-tales-of-wakanda/
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Jesse Holland is editing so hopefully he keeps the writers on an action adventure track and steers clear of introspective prose.
But the writer of the article didnt mention that the novel he wrote was based off of Hudlins first story.
And a vampire story in New Orleans? Think I read that somewhere before. Lol
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Jesse Holland is editing so hopefully he keeps the writers on an action adventure track and steers clear of introspective prose.
But the writer of the article didnt mention that the novel he wrote was based off of Hudlins first story.
And a vampire story in New Orleans? Think I read that somewhere before. Lol
Despite the fact that the new story focuses on an Afrikan female duo...Shuri and a unnamed Dora Milaje...as the protagonists, I had the exact same thought as Brother Cville.
And I'm worried that TurnCoates may have found brand new denigrating ways to stick it to T'Challa before he leaves BP forever [ "Idumiso Bast!"..."Praise Bast!" ], and I am still very much worried that they'll find someone vomitous to replace TurnCoates, instead of letting amazing scribes like Redjack run with BP. With Redjack rockin BP in his own series and Aaron rockin BP and BLADE in Avengers? Brethren. Things might finally start turning up roses for us; a scent I haven't whiffed regarding BP in his own series since Hudlin and to a signifcantly lesser degree Liss' departure.
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Def Jam and Marvel team for special Black Panther stories leading to series finale
By Newsarama Staff
The iconic recording label and comic book publisher team-up for special stories in the last three issues of Black Panther
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Def Jam Recordings and Marvel Comics announced an upcoming collaboration designed to "integrate the voices of young Black creatives with one of the most transformative characters and storylines in graphic arts history: Black Panther."
In February 24's Black Panther #23, Marvel and Def Jam celebrate Black History Month with South-Central Los Angeles singer/songwriter Saint Bodhi (joined by co-writer Danny Lore, artist Alitha Martinez, and colorist Rachelle Rosenberg) sharing her take on Storm "for an emotional story grounded in tragedy and acceptance." Bodhi's debut story will also be included in Marvel's Voices: Legacy #1, a celebration of Black voices and artists, on sale the same day.
In March's Black Panther #24, Dallas-native rapper Bobby Sessions tells a story about Black Panther himself.
And in the series' finale issue #25 in April, 'Toxic R&B' artist Kaash Paige will "forge a tale about Wakandan Princess Shuri and the power of knowledge."
"Aligned with the Def Jam Forward initiative to promote social, economic, and educational equality, each three-page story will also feature an exclusive one-page Def Jam artist profile," reads Marvel's announcement.
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"Bringing these two logos together was a dream,” says Def Jam partnerships consultant Jonathan Rheingold about the team-up. "There was a mutual desire to unite these two great brands for a mission and a cause — leveraging Def Jam's rising stars and the legendary Marvel characters to tell powerful stories that would make an emotional connection with fans of both cultures."
While Marvel says Bodhi, Sessions, and Paige are telling their first Marvel Comics stories, each of the artists has a "long-standing passion" for Marvel and the world of comics and graphic arts in general. Black Panther is one of the many black superheroes that changed the face of comic books.
https://www.gamesradar.com/def-jam-and-marvel-team-for-special-black-panther-stories-leading-to-series-finale/ (https://www.gamesradar.com/def-jam-and-marvel-team-for-special-black-panther-stories-leading-to-series-finale/)
11 months since the last issue of BP's ongoing and they decide Storm should be the first special released in their collaboration. How very typical of life for the Black Panther in the Coatesverse.
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Alex Simmons on the History of Black Panther
A friend and collaborator of Billy Graham and Don McGregor, comics creator and author Alex Simmons reflects on the story, and the people, who redefined Black Panther.
BY BEN MORSE
Since his 1966 debut in the pages of FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) #52 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, King T’Challa, better known as the Black Panther, has been breaking down boundaries in comics and pop culture. The first mainstream Super Hero of African descent, Black Panther would be a popular guest star for the Fantastic Four as well as a member of the title team in AVENGERS for over a decade. But it wasn’t until 1973’s JUNGLE ACTION #6 that T’Challa gained the solo spotlight.
Over the course of 13 consecutive issues in JUNGLE ACTION, writer Don McGregor along with artists Rich Buckler, Gil Kane, and Billy Graham constructed “Panther’s Rage,” largely considered to be the first serialized “graphic novel” in comics. The story explored T’Challa’s Wakanda with a significant role for American-born love interest Monica Lynne, plus introduced readers to Erik Killmonger for the first time.
Following the conclusion of “Panther’s Rage,” McGregor and Graham would go on to produce “Panther vs. the Klan,” a bold story pitting Marvel’s most prominent Black hero against the infamous hate group. Again, this tale made history, addressing critical social issues and treading on ground previously considered out of bounds for comics.
Graham represents a fascinating figure in the history of comics as one of the less heralded pillars in Black Panther’s identity. An accomplished actor, playwright, and award-winning set designer, he occupied rarified space in the 1960s as Art Director of Warren Publishing. In the '70s, Graham left his mark on Marvel, illustrating not only JUNGLE ACTION, but helping to launch Luke Cage into his HERO FOR HIRE ongoing.
An award-winning comic book creator as well as the co-author of Black Panther Psychology: Hidden Kingdoms, Alex Simmons had a front row seat for “Panther’s Rage” as a friend and collaborator of Graham and McGregor. We spoke to Simmons about his experiences with Black Panther and JUNGLE ACTION, as well as his memories surrounding these creators and their landmark work.
Why were Don McGregor and Billy Graham such a potent team on Black Panther?
AS: The answer to this question is that they cared. Don cared about the stories he was telling and the people he was writing about. Don spent time with people of color. Not just me and not just Billy, and then he went home to a white existence.
Billy lived the life some of us only read about. He'd been seen as the only Black artist in a particular office or field at the time. He was still one of the few Black professional artists in comic books. He cared about his people. Billy loved life and he fought for a particular quality of life. He judged people by their actions and not necessarily by their words. And he cared about his friends. Don cared passionately about his friends. You put those two people together and you wind up with a hell of a story both in real life and in their work.
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What is your background and history with the character of Black Panther?
Honestly, I don't remember the first time I became a fan of Black Panther. But I do remember seeing him in an issue of the FANTASTIC FOUR. He had joined them in the Baxter Building and there was a conversation going on between him, Reed Richards, and Sue Storm. And somehow Wyatt Wingfoot, a Native American character that was active in the FF storyline at that time, was also involved in the tale.
Now honestly I don't remember the story. But I do remember being fascinated by this Black character in a major comic book series. Even though it wasn't his book, being in this all black costume, and having the same name as a political group that existed at that time [in] 1966...
I'm not particularly political. Meaning I don't think about politics and social issues every time I inhale and exhale. I was even that way back when I was 14 or so and social change was all around me. It was a time of protest for Civil Rights and equal rights and the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. In many ways the United States was facing its identity and clashing with itself on a grand scale. There I was in the middle of that trying to figure out who I was as a boy, and as a Black teen growing up with a mom and no dad.
So the Black Panther character, this warrior king Super Hero, was a major discovery for me personally, not necessarily as a political figure standing up for all Black people or all Black males. I just saw him and enjoyed it and was fascinated by it and wanted more.
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What role did you play working on the JUNGLE ACTION run with Don McGregor?
I will say this in my own words, but Don is actually the person to tell the story. There were people at Marvel who were not thrilled at all with what Don was doing with the character. I heard them say things and I saw the impact those times had on McGregor.
For those who have no idea what Don McGregor looks like, well he was—and still is—a short white guy from Rhode Island. Don was also fiery and passionate about doing justice to this character, to this king, this Black Super Hero and the world in which he existed. The Black Panther and the supporting characters that made up his world of Wakanda were not stereotypes to Don, and I believe that cost him dearly.
Getting back to your question about its effect on me, or my position in it, Don and I were great friends by that time in 1976. We had even worked on some independent projects together. But when he got this assignment to write a Black Panther series, Don knew he had to see the kingdom of Wakanda as a real geologic location. He had to know the position of the palace, the Vibranium mines, and every other aspect of that land so that he could represent it properly in every story.
My one artistic involvement in that series was limited to one area only. As Don was developing the layout of Wakanda, I was called upon to lightly sketch out some of the images in his head. And my meager thumbnail sketches and Don’s notes went to artist Rich Buckler. He was the one who embellished it all, as well as drew a few issues of the series.
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What was your relationship like with Billy Graham as well as Don?
Buckler was great on the book, but I was especially thrilled when Billy Graham joined the series for two reasons: One, the lush artwork that he created just took Black Panther to another level. Two: Well, let me set up a little backstory on the relationships [between] Don, Billy, and me.
I met Don McGregor at Phil Seuling's New York Comic Con in 1969. I was in my last year of high school and I believe Don was about 20 or 21. We met in the hotel room of a particular artist, whose name I'll mention in a moment.
This artist had invited a number of people to come up there and hang out while he told great stories from his experience. He did this while performing a remarkable series of magic tricks. This incredible individual was Jim Steranko. I want you to understand that this room was packed with people and I happened to be sitting next to Don and his wife. We were all watching Jim do his thing. But somehow we got to exchanging some thoughts, and the next thing we both knew we were talking like we were the only two people there.
We talked about comics and films and TV shows, and all these things that we were creatively fans of. Let's face it—we loved our heroes saving people in distress, which was part of what made up our imagination, our lives, and our code.
A year later Don and I are at another Phil Seuling Comic Con, but this time we
had a comic book project that we’d just worked on together. This was the first ever issue of DETECTIVES INCORPORATED, the series that Don created and wrote, and has since produced more stories with some really spectacular artists.
But at that time I was his artist and had Illustrated and printed the first issue in Rhode Island, stapled them together, and we brought them to Comic Con that year to show off the books.
And we sat in on a panel for a publishing company called Warren Publications. They did a series of black-and-white comic magazines such as Creepy, and Eerie, and Vampirella. To name a few.
You can't put the two of us anywhere and expect normality to reign. James Warren was on the panel and he talked afterwards and I approached him. We were talking, and at some point we open our big mouths and inserted both our feet and said something playfully teasing about this artist that they had at Warren Publications. Warren saw a great opportunity to fry our butts, called over the artist and said, “Well, say that to his face.” That artist was Billy Graham, possibly one of the few if not the only Black artists working in comic books at that time. Certainly he was the only Black art director in comics.
Rather than punch us both out, the four of us wound up joking and talking. We went out to eat together and over the next few months Don, Billy, and I became good friends.
There are a thousand and one wonderfully outrageous buddy stories I could tell you about Don and Billy and I hanging out in Harlem, in the West Village of Manhattan, and on the road from New York to Rhode Island. But you don't have enough time in your [article] for that. So here I'll simply say that my being there and watching all of this come together and sometimes having the opportunity to discuss aspects of the stories with Don or Billy or both... those were some of the most exciting times I had in those years.
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Why is T'Challa such a seminal and enduring character?
It seems like I've answered this question 100 times over the years, and I don't know that I’ve said exactly the same thing any two times. Why do I think the Black Panther is such an enduring character? Simply put he's fascinating, dynamic, awe-inspiring, and unique in several ways. Over the many decades we’ve seen stories of Super Heroes who are aliens or of this Earth. You can go back through literary fiction a 100 years or more and find stories of kings from Europe and from fantastic worlds and fictional worlds and alien worlds. And yes, some African kings and queens have been mentioned, but seldom have they been brought into a situation where their land is rich in minerals, superior in technology, brilliant in education, environmental and scientific awareness, with a multi-generational lineage of strength, integrity and isolationism rather than conquest. And almost never has that king or queen [been a] Super Hero who has then ventured out into the rest of the world and fought against or alongside some of the greatest powers on the planet. That in and of itself is unique.
T'Challa, the Black Panther, is not bombastic. He is not ego-driven, maniacal or misogynistic. He is ethical, and vulnerable, and committed to his people and to a code moral or otherwise. He will sacrifice himself for the greater good. These are admirable traits in anyone, and yes they existed in Black people throughout history, but the population of this planet has been systematically starved of such images. Up until this character appeared in popular fiction one had to dig deep into family tales and specifically generated publications for Blacks and African Americans to find anything about characters like this.
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What is the legacy of this work?
You have to understand that Don doing “Panther’s Rage” the way he did was unique—it was not the every issue norm. And so it stood out for a number of reasons, not the least of them being it's about a Black hero in a predominantly Black world. No “Sheena” running around in leotards with blond hair and blue eyes telling the dark skin folks what to do. In the 1970s that was still amazing.
What is your favorite moment from “Panther's Rage”?
It's more the fact that the story is so genuine and multi-leveled that appeals to me. From the Black Panther against Killmonger and Cadaver, to Monica Lynne, an African American woman trying to deal with the attitudes being shown to her by the Africans in Wakanda. People in this story respond like people. But they're people in an extremely extraordinary circumstance. It's science fiction and fantasy all over the place except where the characters are dealing with one another as human beings. Love, hate, honor, mistrust, twisted loyalties, fear, envy and revenge—these are all human characteristics and traits that we as people can identify with. And that's what I enjoyed the most about “Panther’s Rage.” It was a comic book series that I could read like one of the best novels. And that was a gift at that time.
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/alex-simmons-black-panther-history-marvel-unlimited (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/alex-simmons-black-panther-history-marvel-unlimited)
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Black authors imagine new tales in the 'Black Panther' world in anthology 'Tales of Wakanda'
Felecia Wellington Radel
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“Black Panther: Tales of Wakanda” (Titan, 512 pp., ★★★ out of four), available March 9, is a collection of short stories from Black authors including Nikki Giovanni, L.L. McKinney, Sheree Renée Thomas, Tananarive Due and Christopher Chambers.
You won’t need kimoyo beads for this trip to Wakanda.
What sets this anthology apart from other works on Wakanda, the fictional African country, is that it’s a compendium of prose, not comics. There’s plenty of opportunity for the text to take you wherever it wants without constraint of an illustrated box, and the authors have distinct writing styles honed from their respective disciplines, such as poetry, blogging, neuroscience and YA fiction.
'Black Panther: Tales of Wakanda' is a collection of short stories based in the Marvel Comics fictional African nation.
The 18 shorts in this collection seem connected by two defining themes: faith and family. Book editor Jesse J. Holland's tale, titled “Faith,” frames itself around bloodlines, religion and legacy.
The book isn’t solely built on the foundations of the 2018 film “Black Panther,” directed and co-written by Ryan Coogler, though the collection is dedicated to Chadwick Boseman, who played Black Panther/King T’Challa and died in 2020 from colon cancer. Perhaps the Marvel Cinematic Universe movie served as inspiration for the writers, but these characters are more clearly drawn from their comic origins.
But, comic fans, don’t expect this anthology to read like a text-only continuation of Roxane Gay’s excellent “World of Wakanda,” either. That 2017 Marvel Comics series focused on women in Wakanda, specifically two women who served in the Dora Milaje, the Black Panther’s all-female security force.
There are glimpses of lives lived by Ororo (X-Men’s Storm), Killmonger, Shuri and relatives of Wakandan citizens who left their native land long ago.
In "Legacy," by YA fiction writer L.L. McKinney, a young girl named Erika is preparing to visit Wakanda, where her grandmother grew up, for the first time with her family. The tiny tale is so fully lived, as we see Erika's sweet interactions with her mom and hilarious ones with her brother in their trip to the airport. We witness as she learns a secret about her grandmother and Wakandan history. The mystery that McKinney sets up could easily have been an action-packed novel on its own.
Poet Nikki Giovanni's "Immaculate Conception," a "What If?" Marvel alternate reality story, follows T'Challa in a coming-of-age tale as he finds his way to Wakanda after growing up in Oakland, California. He has never heard of the nation nor the Black Panther, and he goes by the nickname TC to avoid teasing for his African name. Giovanni's story about T'Challa's journey hits home in a way that other stories about him don't because of his American experiences before he finds out he is Wakandan royalty and his aspirations away from the throne.
The comic-book-related details may, unfortunately, be a barrier to entry for new or younger fans who came to Black Panther by way of the big screen. Some names may be unfamiliar, and some rivalries may not be understood without a quick Google search for those who haven’t at least glanced at the “Black Panther” comic book runs by Christopher Priest or Ta-Nehisi Coates.
But many of the stories center on the author’s vision of T’Challa, the prince, the panther, but not always the hero here. T’Challa seems unsure in nearly each story, less the confident Avenger and more a royal troubled by his path and his actions, seeking deeper meaning in his ancestors.
T’Challa is viewed through a lens of judgment, or even rebuke for Wakanda’s failure to help Black people around the world for centuries. But his conflicts aren’t ever explored as directly as they could be, the stories simply hinting at them and then dancing into a fight scene. Leave us wanting more, I guess.
It would have been nice to spend more time exploring the daily life of Wakanda, more tales from outside the royal family, about Wakandans who have had their vibranium blessings without the burden of the crown. What are their stories? Some of the most compelling plots in “Tales of Wakanda” involve those who left Wakanda or those whose descendants are returning. Maybe there are more tales to come.
For now, the best stories in this anthology should sate fans longing for the next “Black Panther” installment from Marvel Studios. Wakanda forever.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/books/2021/03/09/black-panther-tales-of-wakanda-marvel/6868879002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/books/2021/03/09/black-panther-tales-of-wakanda-marvel/6868879002/)
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12 Years A Slave Screenwriter John Ridley To Write New Black Panther
May 4, 2021 by Rich Johnston
Bleeding Cool has learned from our sources that Oscar-winning screenwriter John Ridley, and creator of The Next Batman for DC Comics, will be launching a new Marvel Comics project in August 2021, drawn by exclusive Marvel Comics artist and current Guardians Of The Galaxy penciller, Juann Cabal, beginning in August. Welcome to Wakanda, John and Juann!
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The new Black Panther series will replace the current series which has been written by Ta Nehisi-Coates for five years. John Ridley is best known as the screenwriter of Twelve Years A Slave, but also wrote about the British Black Panthers in the Sky TV series Guerilla, starring Idris Elba, Freida Pinto, and Babou Ceesay. After writing comic books The American Way, The Authority and Warblade for DC/Wildstorm some years ago, he recently returned to writing comic books with The Other History Of The DC Universe, The Next Batman, Second Son, and other related series, in which he introduced the world to Tim Fox, son of Lucius Fox, as the new Batman to replace Bruce Wayne in the suit. He also recently made his Marvel debut with Wolverine: Black White & Blood.
In previous years, DC Comics would have likely locked John Ridley down to an exclusive contract, but these are different times. And Marvel Comics has swooped.
Juann Cabal is best known for working on Marvel Comics titles, including All-New Wolverine, Elektra, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, X-23, Wolverine & Deadpool, and is currently the artist on Guardians Of The Galaxy.
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/12-years-a-slave-screenwriter-john-ridley-to-write-new-black-panther/
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Just the fact that this guy ain't Redjack? Is makin me mad. Redjack=best choice for BP right now.
Has John Ridley ever written a strong, unenslaved, brilliant Afrikan character? Has John written a powerful Tim Fox, and/or a dope Batman so we can at least have reason to believe he might do T'Challa right? I never read Wolverine: Red White and Blood. Who's read it and what are your thoughts? The article I read on the Wolverine RWAB didn't even MENTION John Ridley.
After having such high hopes for and being so so sooooo bitterly disappointed by TurnCoates? I vomit in my mouth and shudder like I'm bukked nekkid while caught in a ice storm on Pluto at the thought of yet another famous novelist heading toward Black Panther, when we have GENIUS writers like Redjack [ and OH YEAH some guys named RH and CJP and...you get the idea ] already here and already proven.
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Marvel is going the celebrity writer route again. This time they got a writer who actually has proven himself in the world of fiction way more than Coates had at the time he was chosen, though Ridley doesn't seem to make liberal hearts go pitter pat as much as Coates, despite his success in Hollywood.
Ridley definitely has the bona fides but I'm not sure about this. I really enjoyed his American Way comic, which felt like his take on Watchmen mixed with the Civil Rights Movement. The sequel though wasn't as good to me. I also liked his two superhero novels (Those Who Walk in Darkness and What Fire Cannot Burn), which I felt were inspired by the X-Men, however I didn't like all the things that he did with the black female protagonist, Spoiler (click to reveal)
including killing her off halfway through the second book (even though it was a shocking twist and subverted expectations), and then replacing her with an Asian female protagonist.
Over decade ago, Ridley wrote a very questionable and IMO coonish essay for Esquire. I can't say he still has these views but I don't really care to see him use T'Challa to play out his racial fantasies or ideas like Coates did.
So, while Ridley definitely has the genre/comics pedigree (I haven't read his Batman books but I would like to, and I also haven't read his Authority work), and I think can deliver better written stories and characters, I'm not sure if he won't just turn out to be a slightly more tolerable, refined Coates. I do imagine that his T'Challa might dither less and kick a little more ass though than Coates.
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from what I have gathered from folk's at the cbr BP forums. Ridley for Batman has done an excellent job of focusing on the male protagonist and having the world revolve around him. It's too early to tell but of he is someone who will focus on T'Challa and his motivations and treat him well, then I can accept that. I still will be rooting for Redjack to make his mark and his is still my top pick. So fingers crossed for that on the near future
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however I didn't like all the things that he did with the black female protagonist, Spoiler (click to reveal)
including killing her off halfway through the second book (even though it was a shocking twist and subverted expectations), and then replacing her with an Asian female protagonist.
Over decade ago, Ridley wrote a very questionable and IMO coonish essay for Esquire. I can't say he still has these views but I don't really care to see him use T'Challa to play out his racial fantasies or ideas like Coates did.
So, while Ridley definitely has the genre/comics pedigree (I haven't read his Batman books but I would like to, and I also haven't read his Authority work), and I think can deliver better written stories and characters, I'm not sure if he won't just turn out to be a slightly more tolerable, refined Coates. I do imagine that his T'Challa might dither less and kick a little more ass though than Coates.
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I reduced the excellent post to our brother to the main areas of worry and concern. There should never. Ever. Be a legit worry that a given author will do the character s/he/they are supposed to write dirty. Their past works should put such concerns beyond even a quark of concern. The very fact that we are here having legitimate trepidation is all the proof we need that Ridley shouldn't be here, and is all the condemnation necessary of the way that 616 is treating T'Challa's solo book. Like the Derek Chauvin trial? There should never have been a moment's doubt that Chauvin would be instantly convicted and sent to death [ if Minnesota state law allowed such ] or life in prison [ if the death penalty wasn't an option ]. The very fact that such didn't occur and even worse we were all on pins and needles that Chauvin could walk off completely free [ like he was FOR WEEKS AFTER HIS MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD WAS BROADCAST ROUND THE WORLD ] is alll the evidence needed to prove that this justice eviscerating state of affairs should never ever ever have existed in the first place and COULD NOT exist in a just and good society.
Redjack would be the scribe of BP in a just and good society. The very fact that we have legit doubts about Ridley is precisely why he shouldn't even be considered for the job, when we have a Redjack around. A Redjack who absolutely killed it both on Disney.com cartoon Black Panther and with his KiB tie in. Given Redjack's KiB universally and resoundingly good reviews? I'm sure that the book sold a solid amount of units [ who can get sales figures and compare them to TurnCoates' drivel in the same, previous and succeeding months? ]
Redjack Black Panther. Wakanda Forever.
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however I didn't like all the things that he did with the black female protagonist, Spoiler (click to reveal)
including killing her off halfway through the second book (even though it was a shocking twist and subverted expectations), and then replacing her with an Asian female protagonist.
Over decade ago, Ridley wrote a very questionable and IMO coonish essay for Esquire. I can't say he still has these views but I don't really care to see him use T'Challa to play out his racial fantasies or ideas like Coates did.
So, while Ridley definitely has the genre/comics pedigree (I haven't read his Batman books but I would like to, and I also haven't read his Authority work), and I think can deliver better written stories and characters, I'm not sure if he won't just turn out to be a slightly more tolerable, refined Coates. I do imagine that his T'Challa might dither less and kick a little more ass though than Coates.
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I reduced the excellent post to our brother to the main areas of worry and concern. There should never. Ever. Be a legit worry that a given author will do the character s/he/they are supposed to write dirty. Their past works should put such concerns beyond even a quark of concern. The very fact that we are here having legitimate trepidation is all the proof we need that Ridley shouldn't be here, and is all the condemnation necessary of the way that 616 is treating T'Challa's solo book. Like the Derek Chauvin trial? There should never have been a moment's doubt that Chauvin would be instantly convicted and sent to death [ if Minnesota state law allowed such ] or life in prison [ if the death penalty wasn't an option ]. The very fact that such didn't occur and even worse we were all on pins and needles that Chauvin could walk off completely free [ like he was FOR WEEKS AFTER HIS MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD WAS BROADCAST ROUND THE WORLD ] is alll the evidence needed to prove that this justice eviscerating state of affairs should never ever ever have existed in the first place and COULD NOT exist in a just and good society.
Redjack would be the scribe of BP in a just and good society. The very fact that we have legit doubts about Ridley is precisely why he shouldn't even be considered for the job, when we have a Redjack around. A Redjack who absolutely killed it both on Disney.com cartoon Black Panther and with his KiB tie in. Given Redjack's KiB universally and resoundingly good reviews? I'm sure that the book sold a solid amount of units [ who can get sales figures and compare them to TurnCoates' drivel in the same, previous and succeeding months? ]
Redjack Black Panther. Wakanda Forever.
I understand what you're saying, but I keep it foremost in my mind that we aren't the ones picking the writers/creators T'Challa unfortunately. We do get to vote with our dollars though, and of course we have great forums like this to express trepidation, displeasure, disgust, or support and joy for those artists who do right by the characters we care about.
I do think Ridley is a good writer. He's one that isn't afraid to look at social issues, particularly race, so I can see him diving into that issue more head on that Coates. I've only read Ridley's American Way which featured a black male protagonist, and I found that character to mostly be positive. Ridley can write complicated characters and that can be a good thing. His black female protagonist from his superhero novels was also complicated, and perhaps a bit less likeable than the American Way guy. So I imagine that Ridley might like the antihero, ambiguous heroes. Which could mean a return to Priest's Machiavellian T'Challa.
I was reading a recent interview from him where he was dismissing (largely white I'm assuming) fan complaints about a black Batman, by saying he's only writing for his sons and maybe if he keeps that same kind of energy he might deliver a strong T'Challa.
I do have reservations about Ridley, but I would have reservations just about anyone that got the job, after Coates. I was very excited when I heard Coates got the job. I had been reading his Atlantic essays about race for a while by that point and found his writing to be quite good and perceptive, and that's what made me subscribe for the first time for a book. And he lost me on the very first page. There's something to the fury of a woman scorned, but also to that of a comics fan burned. And Coates burned me. So I can't go on how good a writer might be before Marvel taps them anymore.
And when I think about it, it's been very sketchy way before they picked Coates. It got sketchy after Hudlin left the book. There's been years of deconstruction. I can at least say that Ridley is a better choice than one of the younger woke or black feminist writers they could've been given the book to like Vita Ayala, Roxanne Gay, or Nnedi Okorafor. I also think Ridley is a better choice than David F. Walker. Walker is very iffy with me. Sometimes he's on, but other times, his reach exceeds his grasp IMO, and I've read nothing after his first Shaft graphic novel that has matched or bested how good that book was.
I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan Hill get a crack at T'Challa. I thought his Deathblow series, from what I read, was interesting. His Batman/Outsider series not as much, though he didn't do terribly writing Black Lightning or Duke Thomas. He could've done more with them, especially BL since he was supposed to be the leader, but still, nothing as embarrassing or disheartening as Coates did with T'Challa. And Hill's villain Ishmael has already made it to live-action on the Black Lightning show, which is neat.
Perhaps Ridley will wind up giving us a 'black excellence' T'Challa (and to some extent Hudlin's T'Challa was a forerunner of that), but right now I don't see how that could be worse than a self-defeating, self-doubting, and self-hating T'Challa in a dystopic Wakanda that we got courtesy of Coates.
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Basically at this point, I have to see an interview with the guy to pass judgement. I was one of the people who, while seeing the redflags of Coates on his interviews decided to give him a chance still and got burned hard. So now anyone outside of Geoffrey Thorne aka Redjack, I am going need to see some stuff that supports he is on this to elevate T'Challa first and foremost. Only Redjack gets a pass, partly due to seeing an interview already when he was doing the KiB tie in, and also because he has been very active on the CBR and has proven he is in this for T'Challa above all else
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Ridley does have interviews out there regarding his Batman book and also his Other History of DC Comics that might give you a sense of his views. I've put some of that stuff before in the Writer's forum and I'll throw some I've found here too.
Another thing that came to mind about Ridley is I could see his T'Challa being involved in an interracial relationship. He did that in What Fire Cannot Burn and Red Tails, and in the controversy over his British Black Panthers movie, his real life interracial relationship factored into his creative decisions. I could see that also factoring into his creative decisions for whatever he has in store for Black Panther as well.
http://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-next-batman-second-son-interview/ (http://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-next-batman-second-son-interview/)
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/arts/new-batman-is-black.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/arts/new-batman-is-black.html)
http://www.theroot.com/john-ridley-talks-reshaping-both-the-past-and-future-of-1846158002 (http://www.theroot.com/john-ridley-talks-reshaping-both-the-past-and-future-of-1846158002)
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/john-ridley-comic-book.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/john-ridley-comic-book.html)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-ridley-unveils-history-dc-universe-1307027/ (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-ridley-unveils-history-dc-universe-1307027/)
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2020/11/23/Other-History-of-the-DC-Universe-gives-a-voice-to-diverse-characters/7381605901786/ (http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2020/11/23/Other-History-of-the-DC-Universe-gives-a-voice-to-diverse-characters/7381605901786/)
http://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-other-history-of-the-dc-universe-interview/ (http://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-other-history-of-the-dc-universe-interview/)
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-other-history-of-the-dc-universes-john-ridley-on-gi-1845452906 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-other-history-of-the-dc-universes-john-ridley-on-gi-1845452906)
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-ridley-politics-superheroes-history-repeating-american-way-1030294/ (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-ridley-politics-superheroes-history-repeating-american-way-1030294/)
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Black Panther waxwork unveiled at Madame Tussauds by Arsenal's Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
The figure was unveiled by Arsenal footballer and Black Panther fan Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, who was given a preview.
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Black Panther is the next Avenger to assemble in Madame Tussauds after the waxwork was unveiled at the iconic London venue.
The king of Wakanda has joined the Marvel Hall of Heroes at the tourist attraction alongside Captain Marvel and the Hulk.
It features a futuristic "vibranium effect", named after the fictional metal mined in the secret city, which makes the figure glow when fans touch it.
The figure was unveiled by Arsenal footballer and Black Panther fan Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, who was given a preview of the statue.
Aubameyang pulled the Black Panther Wakanda Forever pose in 2020 after he scored against Liverpool, in a tribute to the late actor Chadwick Boseman.
Boseman, who played Black Panther, died at the age of 43 last year, after a four-year-long private colon cancer diagnosis.
Aubameyang said: "People know that I'm a huge fan of Black Panther and the panther is also a huge part of our national team in Gabon, so I couldn't say no when Madame Tussauds London asked me to help them unveil their newest figure.
"I love the way they even have the vibranium in the suit light up."
Aubameyang, who visited Madame Tussauds with wife Alysha and sons Pierre and Curtys, added: "It was great to be able to bring my family with me to meet one of my heroes and I hope my fans and their families will be able to make special memories together again soon."
Black Panther was the only Marvel film to get a best picture nod at the Oscars, and grossed more than $1.3bn at the box office.
A sequel is in the works at Marvel, with the company confirming the title role will not be recast.
Boseman was widely tipped to posthumously win the best actor award at this years Oscars for his role in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. The award was won by Welshman Anthony Hopkins.
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THE VIBRANIUM TRUMPET
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The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
Black Panther's Okoye Shows Off Awesome New Powers in Comic Sneak Peek
Preview pages for Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6 show Black Panther's Okoye putting her new powers on full display against a powerful opponent.
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SPOILER WARNING for Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6!
The Wakandan warrior Okoye recently gained her very own superpowers in Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon, and a new preview for the upcoming issue shows that she will finally be putting these abilities to use. One of Black Panther’s most trusted allies, Okoye is a fierce warrior in battle and a loyal defender of Wakanda. And now that undead warriors have begun to invade her city and a masked assailant slays several of her soldiers, Okoye gets roped into Danny Rand’s mystical journey to save the cosmic balance.
Iron Fist and Okoye’s initial confrontation comes as quite a shock for everyone, as Danny and his band of heroes find the Wakandan general holding the heart of a dragon that lies dead at her feet. Believing that the dragons are needed to stop the evil Hidden City from destroying everything, Iron Fist sees Okoye’s actions as a betrayal. While Okoye tries to explain that the dragon chose her to be its new champion though, she begins to absorb the dragon’s chi. Having gained his own powers similarly, Danny realizes what is happening and accuses Okoye of stealing the power before charging in to fight her.
During their brawl, both heroes hold back from drawing upon their chi powers, which summons Quan Yin, the Mother of Mercy. Quan Yin explains that Okoye is not an enemy and that she will be vital to defeating the true enemy, the Hidden City’s hierophant. Before long, the hierophant arrives to kill the Mother of Mercy, and Okoye teams up with Iron Fist and his allies to stop the villain. The hierophant proves too powerful for the heroes to stop, but luckily Danny’s friend, Fooh, is able to distract the villain as the team teleports to the Hidden City
Upon their arrival, the heroes are ambushed by the Ghost Dragon of the Hidden City, which Iron Fist claims are the hierophant’s weakness. This is where Larry Hama, Dave Wachter, Neeraj Menon, and Travis Lanham’s Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6 picks up, as Okoye, Danny, and the rest of their party try desperately to fight the gigantic beast. Despite having just gotten her powers, Okoye already seems proficient with them, even managing to focus her chi into the end of her spear. Plus, having Iron Fist there to give instructions doesn’t hurt at all.
Here are the preview pages and brief, cryptic synopsis for the upcoming issue:
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IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #6
THE END OF HEAVEN? The dragons have fallen. A champion rises. An ending…and a new beginning?
As one of the only heroes that is doing any damage in this fight, Okoye’s powers are already proving to be a major upgrade. Of course, she’s already an incredibly skilled warrior, but with a dragon’s chi flowing through her, she’s even more of a threat to her opponents. It remains to be seen whether or not this will be a permanent change for the character, but having Okoye act as a new Iron Fist would be an exciting change of pace for the Wakandan. Those hoping to see the rest of the story can buy Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6 from Marvel Comics later this week.
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-okoye-iron-fist-new-powers-preview/
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Seems like they have some interesting plans for Okoye, in comics and in live action. Danai Gurira is a good actress and definitely can carry a series or a movie/franchise. I didn't like the slick crap she said once about Black Americans shouldn't play continental Africans, which is very ironic owing her claim to fame was playing Michonne, and she also has played Afeni Shakur, but she's still got the skills to make for an interesting lead character in a Marvel production or beyond.
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
THE SAVAGE BLACK PANTHER BATTLES THE IMMORTAL HULK!
Our king once outside of the confines of the Coatesverse consistently demonstrates why he "is the most dangerous man alive." The Hulk is once again on a rampage and this time he has company. It is up to Black Panther and his Avengers to quell the raging beast who was once an ally.
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T'Challa the Black Panther informed the Hulk that this would be a different fight. No mercy, no holds barred. King T'Challa informed the gamma fueled behemoth of such before gouging out his eyes. Savage!
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Blinded, Ol' Jade Jaws swings and connects with Mjollnir and quite literally handicaps himself.
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The Immortal Hulk pulls a new trick from up his sleeve.
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Coercing the Black Panther to decisively disarm "the strongest one there is." Savage.
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The King of the Wakandas tells the King of Asgard to breathe easy and that that he will take it from here.
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T'Challa the Black Panther follows the ancient Wakandan edict and puts the blade where it belongs. Savage.
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This is how our Black Panther meets his challenges. Intelligent, prepared, decisive and savage. I also appreciated the fact that he used his canon based personal weaponry. I think they proved more useful than the Hulkbuster armor T'Chall invented. As such is the case with armors and Hulk, T'Challa had very similar results as did Stark. We have always known the Black Panther can build an armor but he really doesn't need to. The Black Panther is at his best when he stays in his uniquely original lane. Nuff said....savage.
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I would Also like to add they Jens description of T'Challa was also spot on and shows Ewing knows how to write T'Challa. She has seen T'Challa angry but what he did was CALCULATION. SAVAGE indeed
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I read you loud and clear Ezyo but I have to admit I don't believe 616 Thor could be so easily suffocated, especially in so short a time.
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THOR ANNUAL #6 (1977)
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In those days Superman could pull multiple planets.
Ahh, when comic books were pure magic.
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
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Emperor T'Challa attends wedding of Dr. Doom... and doesn't expect a trap?!?
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That first scene with the reporter looked like it was copied right from the BP wedding issue. This is why sometimes it is just best not to include the Black Panther in these crossovers. No editor nor writer worth his/her salt; with just half a granule of historic knowledge; with just an inkling aptitude for research would have T'Challa the Black Panther attend Doom's wedding... especially ill prepared and without a plan. Remember...
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MORE BREAKING NEWS...
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X Men terraform Mars! Make major declaration!
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While its visuals are impressive, this feat maybe beneath the notice of Emperor T'Challa. Mutant hubris has them renaming Okyin Bena (traditional Afrakan name) to Arakko, like the Romans before them did in calling the Okyin (planet) Mars. Knowing no limits in their pomposity the X Men claimed ownership of the entire planet and had the audacity to declare it the capitol of the solar system. A bold move, they should tread carefully less they catch the notice of he who rules the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda.
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
A popular MCU character emerges in September's The Last Annihilation specials
By Michael Doran
Marvel Comics' The Last Annihilation continues in September with two new one-shots including a hero turn for M'Baku?
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Marvel's latest sequel to Annihilation, one of the modern Marvel Comics' most successful event storylines and something of a precursor to the success of Guardians of the Galaxy in the MCU, continues in September.
That month the new iteration of the event continues in a pair of one-shots The Last Annihilation: Wakanda #1 and The Last Annihilation: Wiccan and Hulkling #1. Both 40-page specials feature a pair of Marvel's cosmic players pitted against traditional Doctor Strange villain Dormammu (who was revealed as the event's adversary last month) and his 'Mindless Army,' in what Marvel calls "a senseless war."
The Last Annihilation: Wakanda #1 is written by Evan Narcisse with art by Germán Peralta and covers by Philip Tan and Ernanda Souza. In the special Black Panther enlists the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda to help stop the Dormammu. And in an interesting twist that calls back to the MCU's Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame, T'Challa recruits M'Baku to lead the Wakandan forces.
T'Challa and M'Baku (otherwise known as Man-Ape) are traditionally bitter, fierce adversaries in Marvel comic books, but M'Baku has been translated into a heroic and popular rival/ally to Black Panther in the MCU.
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Given the fan-favorite portrayal of M'Baku by Winston Duke and the fact the Black Panther throne is vacant in the movies due to the death of Chadwick Boseman (which will be explored in 2022's Black Panther: Wakanda Forever), it will be interesting to see if the character begins a hero's journey in the comic books to match his MCU counterpart. The solicitation for the special promises the emergence of a "new hero," although the female figure on the cover by Tan might be who that line is referring to.
Full article
https://www.gamesradar.com/a-popular-mcu-character-emerges-in-septembers-the-last-annihilation-specials/ (https://www.gamesradar.com/a-popular-mcu-character-emerges-in-septembers-the-last-annihilation-specials/)
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I think the writer has the wrong M'Baku. Must not have read much of Coates. Lol
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Black Panther and the revitalization of T’Challa with Christopher Priest
https://www.gamesradar.com/black-panther-christopher-priest/ (https://www.gamesradar.com/black-panther-christopher-priest/)
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. "If he could embrace his monarchship the way Namor does - perhaps not as arrogant, but surely as confidently, a man of supreme power and dominion--that would interest me as well."
This quote from Priest is the biggest part of the character that Coates missed
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Black Panther and the revitalization of T’Challa with Christopher Priest
https://www.gamesradar.com/black-panther-christopher-priest/ (https://www.gamesradar.com/black-panther-christopher-priest/)
Great find JRCarter. Thanks for sharing bro.
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. "If he could embrace his monarchship the way Namor does - perhaps not as arrogant, but surely as confidently, a man of supreme power and dominion--that would interest me as well."
This quote from Priest is the biggest part of the character that Coates missed
Quoted for truth. Nuff said CvilleWakandan.
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Actually, now that I think about it, Denys worked on Panther, Reginald Hudlin worked on Panther, and I worked on Panther. Marvel should create a Milestone Black Panther book. I'm quite sure, if it wouldn't blow up Milestone's deal with DC, we'd all be eager to see what could be done with the character in a creatively uncompromised environment. We all dearly love this character.
I was also introducing a paradigm shift to the way Panther was to be portrayed; somebody had to give voice to the expectation of a dull and colorless character who always got his butt kicked or who was overshadowed by Thor and Iron Man suddenly knocking out Mephisto with one punch. I mean, he runs into the room, Ross says, "Should we call the Avengers?!" Panther says, "Why?" and just decks the guy.
To me, that's Black Panther. It's not arrogance, it's competence.
Yeah.... I could get behind that. I would love to see a milestone Black Panther, with Priest, Hudlin, and Redjack all there able to flex without editorial oversight or worry. Also the second quote is one people need to remember
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Black Panther: A New Wakandan Hero is Being Teased By Marvel
Marvel's new solicitations have revealed that Black Panther's Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda will be joining The Last Annihilation with a new hero.
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In Marvel Comics' new September solicitations, a Black Panther hero is teased to be getting a bigger place in the spotlight, joining the fray in the publisher's next big cosmic event known as The Last Annihilation. The Dread Dormammu has returned, manifesting himself in the cosmos thanks to Ego the Living Planet and an ancient cult of Skrulls. Naturally, it's going to be all hands on deck to keep the galaxy safe, and that includes the newly reformed Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda, seeing the Maroons' M'Baku assisting T'Challa and the Guardians of the Galaxy in the epic fight to come.
In the recently concluded Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda storyline from Ta-Nehisi Coates, the empire had been corrupted into one built on oppression, taking prisoners from worlds they conquered and turning them into slaves without memory. These slaves were known as the Nameless. While T'Challa found himself becoming one of them in the run's beginning, he was rescued and subsequently joined the resistance movement known as the Maroons, led by its commanders M'Baku and Nakia. However, these versions of the characters took their names from the original characters, being inspired by their heroic acts of legend.
While Nakia gave her life in the resulting battle between Wakanda Prime and the Intergalactic Empire, M'Baku fought by T'Challa's side in the final battle when the evil Emperor N'Dajaka was defeated, leading to the Black Panther's rule becoming much bigger on a galactic scale. As a result, M'Baku has apparently been aiding T'Challa with reforming the Intergalactic Empire, and he'll be joining him in this new battle with The Last Annihilation.
Here's the cover art and solicit information for the upcoming tie-in issue from Evan Narcisse and German Peralta:
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THE LAST ANNIHILATION: WAKANDA #1
EVAN NARCISSE (W) • GERMÁN PERALTA (A)
Cover by PHILIP TAN
VARIANT COVER BY Ernanda Souza
With the universe itself at stake, Black Panther enlists the might of the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda to help stop the dreaded Dormammu! And leading the Wakandan forces is none other than the legendary M’Baku! Will T’Challa and M’Baku be able to defeat Dormammu’s army of Mindless Ones? Don’t miss this critical chapter of the LAST ANNIHILATION event as a new hero emerges!
40 PGS./ONE-SHOT/Rated T+ …$4.99
If the synopsis is any indication, it certainly looks like M'Baku is being set up to be the face of the reformed Intergalactic Empire as its brand new hero, which should be pretty exciting. Actor Winston Duke's take on the character in the MCU's Black Panther was a major hit, and M'Baku has become a fan-favorite character since the 2018 film. Seeing as how the Maroons based their uniforms off of the Black Panther himself, it would certainly be cool to see him evolve into a sort of Cosmic Panther while T'Challa remains the Black Panther of Wakanda Prime.
In any case, it certainly seems as though The Last Annihilation and the threat of Dormamu will be a trial by fire for M'Baku. While he's already proven himself to be quite the capable fighter and warrior leading the Maroons, this new event will be the first major crossover the Intergalactic Empire will be a part of. Here's hoping he and his forces are prepared to join the Black Panther and face the power of the Dread Dormammu when the time comes.
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-last-annihilation-marvel-tease-mbaku/
I don't like the wording "Black Panther enlists the might of the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda" almost as if he has to ask instead command and lead.
The question is will they show the correct expanse of Emperor T'Challa's five galaxy spanning empire? Nu M'Baku as regent of the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda makes sense and if T'Cahlla resurrects Nu Nakia as he did Shuri that would have great storytelling potential. Not only is she a great love interest but it helps play out the complications of a love triangle between Nu Nakia, T'Challa and Storm.
While I am doubtful we will get much I. E. of W in Ridley's new ongoing, this Last Annihilation story could be a good starting point to put the right spin on the empire. I wouldn't be the least surprised if this doesn't lead to a limited series or new ongoing entitled Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda with Narcisse at the helm. If they really want to funk it up, bring in Redjack to write a third series Panther's Prey showing why T'Challa the Black Panther is the most dangerous man alive... with five galaxies under his influence.
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BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
The X-Men NEED a New Black Panther and Storm Marriage to Save Krakoa
In light of the X-Men's recent cosmic exploits, a reunion between Storm and Black Panther would be of great benefit to Wakanda and Krakoa.
BY NABEEL GABER
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WARNING: The following contains spoilers for S.W.O.R.D. #6 by Al Ewing, Valerio Schiti, Marte Gracia & VC's Ariana Maher, on sale now.
While the X-Men and Marvel's mutants have been hated and feared by most of the Marvel Universe for decades, it seems like the world, along with the rest of the Solar System, has generally accepted their nation Krakoa's presence. However, some nations have blatantly rejected Krakoa, including Wakanda. While this might pose a serious issue for the mutants, it's a problem that could be solved by reuniting Storm and Black Panther to cement a political alliance between their two nations.
Wakanda's rejection of Krakoa has been prevalent since 2019's House of X #5, by Jonathan Hickman and Pepe Larraz. Among the few nations who rejected Krakoa's treaty, Wakanda stuck out, claiming they had no need for Krakoa's miracle drugs. Additionally, in the recent S.W.O.R.D. #6, the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda rejected Krakoa's offer of mysterium to different galactic societies, claiming they did not need "mutant metal."
These claims are almost exactly the same, showing a sense of Wakandan pride and a hint of disdain for the mutant nation. These rejections are glaring, since they're both marked in red, emphasizing how Wakanda, especially, won't work with Krakoa. This could be a problem, considering Wakanda's immense power as a nation. Recent events, however, open up the possibility for cooperation between the two nations. When Storm is declared the Regent of Mars, for example, she refers to herself as Hadari Yao, a Wakandan goddess.
The name itself means "Walker of the Clouds," a goddess who preserves the balance of all natural things. Storm was dubbed Hadari Yao by the Wakandans in 2017's Black Panther #17, by Ta Nehisi-Coates and Chris Sprouse. This specific name serves as a reminder of Storm's connection with Wakanda. Even after her marriage to T'Challa dissolved, Ororo maintained a strong bond with the Wakandans, seen as a goddess and a queen among the nation's people.
Due to this history as the former Queen of Wakanda, Storm has an advantage that other mutants simply don't. In using her name of Hadari Yao, Storm demonstrates that she hasn't forgotten her link with Wakanda. With this reminder, it's possible that Storm could reunite with T'Challa, resurrecting a relationship that never truly died to bring Wakanda and Krakoa together as natural political allies. Ororo and T'Challa clearly miss each other as well, making this a personal and political opportunity.
It's true that things have been strained with Storm and Black Panther, especially after Ororo stole Skybreaker, a Wakandan sword, in 2020's Marauders #13, by Vita Ayala and Matteo Lolli. Even so, T'Challa showed then that he was willing to work with Storm, and he would do anything for her. Now that Storm has such an important position, she has the ability to reach out and reconcile with T'Challa, uniting Krakoa and Wakanda.
Whether their reunion is romantic or merely political, Storm and Black Panther would be the only two people who could connect their two nations. This union would be perfect, as Krakoa would gain a powerful new ally, while Wakanda would regain their former queen and goddess.
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Storm's use of her Wakandan goddess name, juxtaposed with Wakanda's rejection of Krakoa's mysterium, could hint at a reunion between Ororo and T'Challa in the near future. The two rulers might not remarry, but there could at least be a conversation surrounding their personal and political relationship.
Even if they don't get back together, it's still possible that Storm and Black Panther will form an official treaty between Krakoa and Wakanda, restoring peace between the two nations. This kind of peace is sorely needed between Krakoa and Wakanda, considering the immense power of both nations.
Any union, even a political one, would be deeply impactful for lasting peace. The recent Black Panther run is a great example, as Storm has often appeared, not just to briefly reconcile with T'Challa, but also to help the nation of Wakanda.
Similarly, if Storm and Black Panther were to remarry, it might serve a higher purpose, uniting Krakoa and Wakanda in a way that cements Krakoa's place in the world. This political alliance would prove helpful, considering the looming danger of "Inferno" in the coming months.
https://www.cbr.com/x-men-needs-black-panther-storm-marriage/ (https://www.cbr.com/x-men-needs-black-panther-storm-marriage/)
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For those wondering how that reunion might look.
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Again with Using T'Challas popularity to raise Storm up with no benefit at all to T'Challa... No thanks, if they want to elevate storms do It within the x books and stop using T'Challas mythos to develop storm because x office is too lazy to invest in actually fleshing out her history on its own
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Ohhhh, I don't know Ezyo, they seem to have a lot in common. (Expressed with levity and mirth.)
Both are newly crowned monarchs...
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Both have intimate relationships with Eternity...
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They both share a deep spiritual connection with Bast...
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And great power at hand...
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Poor writing and lack of of vision remain at fault for the discontinuance of the marriage between Black Panther and Storm. Like it or not there is much that can be done with the two of them given the dimensions and proximity of their current circumstances. Black Panther and Storm haven't even been seen interacting at the Hellfire Gala. Ororo needs to update T'Challa on her current status and what possible political and economical impact their new metal mysterium could have in relationship to vibranium.
Hickman, himself, is in an excellent position to flesh out much of the details surrounding, what must certainly be at the very least, a cosmic discourse between the two of them.
What If... T'Challa and Ororo only pretended to annul their nuptials as part of a master plan (probably his after they were given a vision of the future by Bast) to orchestrate a brighter future for both human and mutant kind. Maybe this is the real reason the Watcher was at their wedding. Something to think about.
Seriously though, all things considered, this would be a major waste of an opportunity if in the very near future the Black Panther and Storm did not communicate.
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And they shouldn't, there's no way this was so massive plan, too much shade throwing and simping on T'Challas part.
It's time to move on. As Kylo Ren said "Let the past die, kill it if you have to"
Same for T'Challa and Storm. It ain't worth it. Not unless Storm was annexed to the BP mythos.
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THE VIBRANIUM TRUMPET
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The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
Black Panther Thinks Captain America's Shield Is A Waste Of Vibranium
The King of Wakanda, Black Panther, reveals his true feelings about Captain America's trusty Vibranium shield in Fantastic Four: Life Story #2
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BY BRYCE MORRIS
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Warning: Spoilers for Fantastic Four: Life Story #2 ahead!
Captain America's famous shield may be a product of Wakandan Vibranium, but that doesn't mean the African nation's king and protector Black Panther is particularly a fan. T'Challa shares his true feelings about Steve Rogers' signature weapon in the pages of Fantastic Four: Life Story.
The four-issue miniseries Fantastic Four: Life Story by writer Mark Russell (Marvels Snapshots) and artist Sean Izaakse (Champions) spans the lives of Marvel's First Family beginning from their 1960s space race origins moving forward in time as they age and explore the cosmos over the decades. This series additionally highlights the team's roster of supporting characters and heroes, which includes the Black Panther and his technologically advanced African nation, Wakanda. In the ever-evolving world of Marvel Comics, there are few known substances that can measure up to the sheer might of Vibranium. Hailing from an alien species of unknown origin, Vibranium has served as the epicenter of Wakanda for generations. As Wakanda inches ever closer to the world stage, the powerful metal has found itself in the hands of several American outlets including the United States government, which used Vibrauiunm to create the iconic shield of WWII hero and Avengers leader Captain America.
In Fantastic Four: Life Story #2, the team struggles to acclimate to the cultural movements of the 1970s while a new villainous force is introduced in the form of Ulysses Klaw. Representing the World Bank, Klaw visits Ghana, seeking payment for a rising debt owed to him by the West African country. A representative for Ghana calls for insight from his friend, Wakandan royal T'Challa a.k.a. the Black Panther. Seeing through Klaw's deception and avarice, Black Panther quickly brings an end to the exchange by handing him an encased cube constructed from Vibranium itself. The Vibranium exchange not only acts as a fair trade for the debt Ghana owes, but as payment for all of Africa's debts. Though putting Vibranium in the hands of Klaw may prove to be a catastrophic decision in the long run, Black Panther is confident that the United States will "waste it all on some foolish shield."
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Though Fantastic Four: Life Story may stray from the main 616 Marvel timeline, the new issue raises an ever-persistent question about the expansion of Vibranium as a natural resource. While the Marvel Cinematic Universe has only begun to scratch the surface of the metal on the big screen, the beloved film series has even poked fun at Vibranium's usefulness through the 2015 film Avengers: Age of Ultron. With its ability to absorb and amplify vibrations, prove impervious to bullets, enhance magical powers and abilities, and bypass most metals, Vibranium can be equipped to potentially improve aspects of life beyond fighting superheroes. And as Ultron points out in that film, the United States used it "to make a Frisbee."
Vibranium is not always a benefit to the human race, but the opportunities that Wakanda's prized possession presents for the medical field, armed forces, and construction work are limitless. Several key factions in the Marvel Universe have begun to produce their own viable metals in an attempt to reap the technological benefits that Vibranium holds. Former Immortal Hulk writer Al Ewing and Empyre artist Valerio Schiti's S.W.O.R.D. #6 introduces readers to an intergalactic metal known as Mysterium. Unlike Vibranium, Mysterium is manufactured by mutants and can withstand radiation and heat while being extremely durable when cooled, initiating the new substance up to par with Marvel Comics' other familiar metal substance, Adamantium.
While Marvel writers have made continued efforts to build upon Vibranium in the modern-day, the metal has a long road ahead in defining itself beyond the world of Black Panther's Wakanda and Captain America's signature weapon. Marvel Comics' Fantastic Four Life Story #2 is now available.
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-captain-america-shield-vibranium-waste/
"Hailing from an alien species of unknown origin...?!?" Really? When did this retcon occur?
"Defining itself beyond the world of Black Panther's Wakanda... ?!?" You see ,that's what not knowing will do for you. It would be a gross tactical and economic error for the Black Panther to widely disperse vibranium especially with the mutants on the horizon with their new exotic metal mysterium.
Speaking of retcons it was refreshing to read an example of Black Panther using his vast resources to help all of Afraka. Just goes to show that it is morally reprehensible for Wakanda not to intercede on the behalf of continental Afraka and the Afrakan diaspora.
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Why would T'Challa ever give klaw vibranium??? That was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. He would of killed him on the spot. Or are writer's forgetting that klaw tried to forcefully take vibranium in the past and killed T'Chaka over it. That's just an Insult to T'Challa and his mythos
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Why would T'Challa ever give klaw vibranium??? That was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. He would of killed him on the spot. Or are writer's forgetting that klaw tried to forcefully take vibranium in the past and killed T'Chaka over it. That's just an Insult to T'Challa and his mythos
I don't think this story is based on Marvel History. Klaw is a banker and not a geologist. It must be like that Spiderman story that JJ Abrams wrote.
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I thought this was some other non 616 reality in which Klaw did not kill T'Chaka. I will have to read the comic book to get the full details.
This story does pose an interesting situation for the Black Panther and Wakanda. I have always championed Wakanda helping Afraka and the Afrakan diaspora and I believed they would have done so from the very onset. Reginald Hudlin gave us a very good segue into historical Wakanda during one of the most horrific events in human history in his potent BP tale Black to the Future. I would like to see more stories done with the Black Panther and Wakanda out strategizing and over powering the colonial nations and thus frustrating and disrupting their efforts in human trafficking.
While I could give some credence to BP paying off Afraka's supposed debt, the fact remains that Afraka should never have any debt to begin with. A real tale would tell of a small Afrakan nation lead by a great leader and his spiritual connection to one of the oldest Afrakan deities and his efforts to reclaim that which was stolen; right the wrongs of the past and bring to to justice all guilty persons and nations. These stories are just waiting to be told and I think there is a very large audience ready to receive such.
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As to the T’Challa-Storm connection, Marvel needs to seriously consider a T’Challa heir, IMHO. Their History, the Watcher’s presence at their wedding makes Storm the most logical partner.
Peace,
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I absolutely think that T'Chaka saturated the vibranium he gave CAP for CAP's shield with highly advanced information gathering and tracking akikauchatek [ Swahili for "psionics/ka/magic/tech ] which Outworlders have no chance of uncovering. Wheresoever that shield has gone, regardless of whoever carried it? They were providing first hand information to Wakanda. Furthermore? If push came to shove, that shield could be recalled to Wakanda instantaneously...regardless of the distance separating them [ remember that Vibranium connects to all energy matter and existence at subquantum levels ]. I asserted as much in my fanfic, too. That explanation? Makes perfect sense of all that has gone before, and underscores how badazz The Black Panthers are...specifically T'Chaka.
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THE VIBRANIUM TRUMPET
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The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
The X-Men NEED a New Black Panther and Storm Marriage to Save Krakoa
In light of the X-Men's recent cosmic exploits, a reunion between Storm and Black Panther would be of great benefit to Wakanda and Krakoa.
BY NABEEL GABER
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WARNING: The following contains spoilers for S.W.O.R.D. #6 by Al Ewing, Valerio Schiti, Marte Gracia & VC's Ariana Maher, on sale now.
While the X-Men and Marvel's mutants have been hated and feared by most of the Marvel Universe for decades, it seems like the world, along with the rest of the Solar System, has generally accepted their nation Krakoa's presence. However, some nations have blatantly rejected Krakoa, including Wakanda. While this might pose a serious issue for the mutants, it's a problem that could be solved by reuniting Storm and Black Panther to cement a political alliance between their two nations.
Wakanda's rejection of Krakoa has been prevalent since 2019's House of X #5, by Jonathan Hickman and Pepe Larraz. Among the few nations who rejected Krakoa's treaty, Wakanda stuck out, claiming they had no need for Krakoa's miracle drugs. Additionally, in the recent S.W.O.R.D. #6, the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda rejected Krakoa's offer of mysterium to different galactic societies, claiming they did not need "mutant metal."
These claims are almost exactly the same, showing a sense of Wakandan pride and a hint of disdain for the mutant nation. These rejections are glaring, since they're both marked in red, emphasizing how Wakanda, especially, won't work with Krakoa. This could be a problem, considering Wakanda's immense power as a nation. Recent events, however, open up the possibility for cooperation between the two nations. When Storm is declared the Regent of Mars, for example, she refers to herself as Hadari Yao, a Wakandan goddess.
The name itself means "Walker of the Clouds," a goddess who preserves the balance of all natural things. Storm was dubbed Hadari Yao by the Wakandans in 2017's Black Panther #17, by Ta Nehisi-Coates and Chris Sprouse. This specific name serves as a reminder of Storm's connection with Wakanda. Even after her marriage to T'Challa dissolved, Ororo maintained a strong bond with the Wakandans, seen as a goddess and a queen among the nation's people.
Due to this history as the former Queen of Wakanda, Storm has an advantage that other mutants simply don't. In using her name of Hadari Yao, Storm demonstrates that she hasn't forgotten her link with Wakanda. With this reminder, it's possible that Storm could reunite with T'Challa, resurrecting a relationship that never truly died to bring Wakanda and Krakoa together as natural political allies. Ororo and T'Challa clearly miss each other as well, making this a personal and political opportunity.
It's true that things have been strained with Storm and Black Panther, especially after Ororo stole Skybreaker, a Wakandan sword, in 2020's Marauders #13, by Vita Ayala and Matteo Lolli. Even so, T'Challa showed then that he was willing to work with Storm, and he would do anything for her. Now that Storm has such an important position, she has the ability to reach out and reconcile with T'Challa, uniting Krakoa and Wakanda.
Whether their reunion is romantic or merely political, Storm and Black Panther would be the only two people who could connect their two nations. This union would be perfect, as Krakoa would gain a powerful new ally, while Wakanda would regain their former queen and goddess.
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Storm's use of her Wakandan goddess name, juxtaposed with Wakanda's rejection of Krakoa's mysterium, could hint at a reunion between Ororo and T'Challa in the near future. The two rulers might not remarry, but there could at least be a conversation surrounding their personal and political relationship.
Even if they don't get back together, it's still possible that Storm and Black Panther will form an official treaty between Krakoa and Wakanda, restoring peace between the two nations. This kind of peace is sorely needed between Krakoa and Wakanda, considering the immense power of both nations.
Any union, even a political one, would be deeply impactful for lasting peace. The recent Black Panther run is a great example, as Storm has often appeared, not just to briefly reconcile with T'Challa, but also to help the nation of Wakanda.
Similarly, if Storm and Black Panther were to remarry, it might serve a higher purpose, uniting Krakoa and Wakanda in a way that cements Krakoa's place in the world. This political alliance would prove helpful, considering the looming danger of "Inferno" in the coming months.
https://www.cbr.com/x-men-needs-black-panther-storm-marriage/ (https://www.cbr.com/x-men-needs-black-panther-storm-marriage/)
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Since I very purposefully fled all things TurnCoates as if Hickman-inspired New Incursions and velociraptors were chasing me, I had no idea about this Hadari Yao until I read it above.
I must admit: I like it. It's one of the few things that TurnCoates has done that I like. I'm not a hater, I will say if I like his work when he does something htt I do like...why would I not? It's so rare that I see anything of his that's actually worth something [ visavis T'Challa The Black Panther; not his other social/political works ].
But at the same time? I think that TurnCoates took creative license with Storm's name. Mai Tafiya Hadari Yao means "A Storm Walker" in Hausa. By dropping the "Mai Tafiya" and spinning the Hausa into Wakandan, Coates created the whole "Walker of the Clouds" thing.
And everyone knows that I never stopped shipping T'CHORO. Sooo...yayyyy!
Now. With that out of the way? Please tell me that I'm not the only one who sees where this union would inevitably put 616 Earth.
The Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda+Krakoa would be assailed by the rest of the world. And various cosmic and interdimensional entities.
It's the Infinity War 2. It's CIVIL WAR 3. It's THE INTERGALACTIC X-TINCTION AGENDA. It's THE ANNIHILATION WAVE. It's The Phoenix End Song 2. All rolled into one.
And among other things? It will reunite T'Challa and Reed Richards, and unite Shuri, Susan Richards, Lunella, Valeria, Pepper Potts, Moira McTaggart and Riri for the first time.
IT'S THE 8TH REALITY WAR.
Or something like that. IF! IF! They don't job us. And. IF! IF! They play it out and milk it. And it could very conveniently burst upon us when BP WAKANDA FOREVER drops...or thereabouts.
Does anyone else see something similar?
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I've really not been reading comics of late. What's INFERNO?
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Sorry but no, reuniting T'Challa and Storm only helps Storm. We have seen this since the marriage. The only benefactor had been Storm. Even the most recent sword issue, with Doom bringing up T'Challa, who did it benefit? Storm.
Forget that, keep them apart. T'Challa hasn't been in a healthy relationship since Storm while Storm had ran to the arms of multiple men since the divorce. Let T'Challa get his groove back. Let the man move on with a LI that will benefit HIM and his mythos, to which his franchise has full creative control over. This whole "Power couple" has literally cost T'Challa and Wakanda and I am tired of see my favorite character foot the bill. Especially while said benefactor has been leeching off the mythos for years now while simultaneously throwing shade.
The ship has sailed, been torched, sank to the Mariana trench, and crushed by the immense pressure. Let's not waste anymore resources trying to bring it back
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Sorry but no, reuniting T'Challa and Storm only helps Storm. We have seen this since the marriage. The only benefactor had been Storm. Even the most recent sword issue, with Doom bringing up T'Challa, who did it benefit? Storm.
Forget that, keep them apart. T'Challa hasn't been in a healthy relationship since Storm while Storm had ran to the arms of multiple men since the divorce. Let T'Challa get his groove back. Let the man move on with a LI that will benefit HIM and his mythos, to which his franchise has full creative control over. This whole "Power couple" has literally cost T'Challa and Wakanda and I am tired of see my favorite character foot the bill. Especially while said benefactor has been leeching off the mythos for years now while simultaneously throwing shade.
The ship has sailed, been torched, sank to the Mariana trench, and crushed by the immense pressure. Let's not waste anymore resources trying to bring it back
I'm going to say imo that definitively. Definitively. The possibility of their even being a T'Choro and the results of T'Choro depends on the author and how much juice with 616 Editorial s/he has via the author's written contract allows. Without any kind of doubt, both CJP and most especially our own R to the H elevated both characters with their vision of and writing of their union. Imo far far and away R to the H...with big props to our transitioned ancestor, McDuffie [ who doesn't get enough credit nor enough mentions for his outstanding works and vision ] and yes our other transitioned ancestor Eric Jerome Dickey, whose STORM miniseries was a thousand times better more compelling more realistic and imo more respectful [ despite the "controversial" implied sex scene, which isn't at all controversial and I daresay reflective of the sexual awakening and first sexual congress of many if not at some recent or current time most teens ] than all previous depictions ...wrote the most dazzling T'Choro. All subsequent depictions of T'Choro should follow the foundation, respect and protections set by this quadrumvirate.
If our Redjack wrote T'Choro? I bet you'd like and support it. Why? Because Redjack's T'Choro doesn't demean T'Challa in order to elevate Storm, or vice versa. Have you read Ture's 710 Universe depiction? His T'Choro is dope as hell. I bet that if by some miracle you missed his iteration and if you read it on HEF right now? You wouldn't be averse to it. I might opine that if you read your humble Supreme Illuminati's iteration of T'Choro, your chances of liking it...or at least NOT OPPOSING it...might be better than 60%, because none of your "deal breaker" issues exist in my iteration.
And that's the real crux of your and most other objections, if I understand you aright. If I'm wrong? Please correct me, brother. I'd appreciate that. But it's my understanding that if your concerns are met and put to rest, you wouldn't have a problem with T'Choro.
Whereas all of us...whatever our position on LGBTQ...would have a violent rejection of any narrative pairing T'Challa with say...the son of Mendinao. Because no matter how well it's written, T'Challa is emphatically NOT gay and such a narrative would be a violent betrayal of T'Challa's character. Even a alternative dimension Multiversal gay T'Challa would meet stiff resistance, and imo deservedly so.
So. Brother Ezyo Auditore ya Afrika. Am I right in suggesting that your concerns are not really centered upon the existence of T'Choro per se, but rather what such a situation has resulted in when authors like Redjack, Narcisse, Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, Dickey, etc aren't the authors of and in control of such a union? Yes? No?
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Apologies for the strikethrough above; Idk how to remove it...
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Apologies for the strikethrough above; Idk how to remove it...
Try editing your post; remove the brackets inside your paragraphs; the HTML engine 'thinks' you are sending a strikethrough command.
Hope my suggestion helps, Supreme.
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The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
BREAKING NEWS...BREAKING NEWS...
Movies in Clark Park - Black Panther
FRIDAY, AUGUST 6TH AT SUNDOWN
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It's WAKANDA FOREVER in Clark Park! Join us as we kick off our 2021 Movies in Clark Park series with Black Panther, the smash hit in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, after rain forced us to cancel our planned screening in 2018. Black Panther tells the tale of T'Challa, the King of Wakanda, as he rises to the throne in the isolated, technologically advanced African nation, but must battle when his claim is challenged by a threatening outsider.
This film is rated PG-13 for violence and language. Runtime 2 hours and 14 minutes.
RSVP HERE
https://www.universitycity.org/events/movies (https://www.universitycity.org/events/movies)
Marvel Studios' Black Panther In Concert with the Mann Center Festival Orchestra
September 25, 2021 at 8:00PM
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Join us on September 25 as Movies @ the Mann continues with Marvel Studios' Black Panther In Concert! Don't miss the East Coast premiere of the complete film as the musical score is performed live by the Mann Center Festival Orchestra. In 2018, Marvel Studios’ Black Panther quickly became a global sensation and cultural phenomenon, showing a new dimension of what superhero films could be. Rolling Stone raved, “The film lights up the screen with a full-throttle blast of action and fun. That’s to be expected. But what sneaks up and floors you is the film’s racial conscience and profound, astonishing beauty.” Now you can relive the excitement of T’Challa becoming king and battling Killmonger all while the Mann Center Festival Orchestra performs Ludwig Göransson’s Oscar® and Grammy®-winning score live to picture. Picnics welcome!
Tickets are on sale now via Ticketmaster.com, (800) 982-2787, or the Mann Box Office.
https://manncenter.org/events/2021-09-25/black-panther-concert (https://manncenter.org/events/2021-09-25/black-panther-concert)
Family Movie Nights at Joyner Park
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Black Panther - August 7 ~ 8:30 pm
E. Carroll Joyner Park, 701 Harris Road
You're invited to enjoy a movie under the stars!
The Wake Forest Parks, Recreation & Cultural Resources (PRCR) Department is pleased to offer Family Movie Nights at Joyner Park featuring Marvel's Black Panther.
Showtime is 8:30 p.m. Anyone planning to attend is urged to arrive early as viewing space may be limited.
https://www.wakeforestnc.gov/meetings-events/family-movie-nights-joyner-park (https://www.wakeforestnc.gov/meetings-events/family-movie-nights-joyner-park)
Summer Movies Under the Stars - Black Panther
August 19: Black Panther (Films begin shortly after sundown)
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It's time to head back to Prospect Park for the annual series, A Summer Movie Under the Stars. Hosted by Brooklyn Magazine, Prospect Park Alliance and the office of the Brooklyn Borough President, the series kicks off Thursday, July 29, and runs for four consecutive Thursdays through August 19, at the north end of the Prospect Park Long Meadow. Each movie screening is free and open to the public and RSVPs are not required for entry.
Black Panther (2018) - August 19
T'Challa, heir to the advanced yet hidden kingdom of Wakanda, must step forward to lead his people into a new future and must confront a challenger from the past.
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I still enjoy seeing Black Panther outdoors. This has been going on since 2018. This movie is already a classic. Not to mention I just saw a child in full Black Panther costume yesterday coming out of the super market. Black Panther Forever!!!
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What are your choices for a T'Challa Recast? Here's my top 5 list
Sope Dirisu
Trevante Rhodes
Yahya Mateen
Y'Ian Noel
Damson Idris
Honorable mentions Nathan Mitchell and JDW[/quote]
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I actually chose Atandwa Kani, since he already played a young T'Chaka in the first BP movie.
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I've been thinking long and hard on who to recast as T'Challa. Your list has some potentials Ezyo. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, I think will be doing Black Manta for awhile and may even get a spin off. Should Black Adam prove successful the same could apply to Aldis Hodge with his upcoming Hawkman role. These two would be on my list but I feel they may be out of contention. Sope Dirisu and Trevante Rhodes works are unknown to me, I'll have to watch some of their films to get some perspective. Damson Idris I liked and thought of him as a potential recast after seeing him in Outside the Wire. Y'lan Noel was boss in the First Purge and was another potential.
Truth be told, I was iffy about Robert Downey Jr and thought Ed Norton was going to kill it. We see how that turned out. I liked Chadwick Boseman because he was an craftsman when it came to playing roles distinctly different from one another. The gravitas he bought to the Black Panther has set a very high bar. The same held true for Heath Ledger's Joker. Like Joaquin Phoenix the next actor to play T'Challa will have to distinctly own the role to be seen as a viable iteration and not just a substitute.
Since we have some time (perhaps a couple years) til T'Challa's cinematic resurgence I'll keep searching.
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I actually chose Atandwa Kani, since he already played a young T'Chaka in the first BP movie.
I thought about him, too...but Idk how well he handles action. Does anybody have any information about that? Also...I like the idea of WESLEY SNIPES playing a Variant T'Challa. Like I said maybe this Variant is the Herald of Eternity like in the 616, this Variant becomes aware of the dangers befalling our 616 Wakanda and both abdicates his post as Herald AND initiates whatever temporal shenanigans necessary to send a Variant of himself back to Wakanda.
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I've been thinking long and hard on who to recast as T'Challa…
Since we have some time (perhaps a couple years) til T'Challa's cinematic resurgence I'll keep searching.
Are you surmising with any enlightened insight Brother Ture?
I have been thinking about the decision to honor Chadwick Boseman by not recasting T’Challa and believe it is a decision that may actually stonewall the growth of his legacy as the first actor to bring T’Challa to his widest audience with depth and gravitas via the cinema. Talk about a tough act to follow, not recasting would seem to save Marvel and the production the embarrassment of not finding a successor who could do justice to what Boseman established more than benefit his legacy. Consider that Sean Connery, who admittedly survived several stints as 007, established a global legacy as the man who defined the iconic character in such a memorable way that caused the performance of each of his successors to be measured against the original. The success of the franchise demanded a charisma and quality approaching that of the original. How could that be an affront to Boseman? How could recasting not be seen as a chance to pay tribute to the man, the original, T’Challa, the Black Panther?
My Two Cents.
Peace,
Mont
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I've been thinking long and hard on who to recast as T'Challa. Your list has some potentials Ezyo. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, I think will be doing Black Manta for awhile and may even get a spin off. Should Black Adam prove successful the same could apply to Aldis Hodge with his upcoming Hawkman role. These two would be on my list but I feel they may be out of contention. Sope Dirisu and Trevante Rhodes works are unknown to me, I'll have to watch some of their films to get some perspective. Damson Idris I liked and thought of him as a potential recast after seeing him in Outside the Wire. Y'lan Noel was boss in the First Purge and was another potential.
Truth be told, I was iffy about Robert Downey Jr and thought Ed Norton was going to kill it. We see how that turned out. I liked Chadwick Boseman because he was an craftsman when it came to playing roles distinctly different from one another. The gravitas he bought to the Black Panther has set a very high bar. The same held true for Heath Ledger's Joker. Like Joaquin Phoenix the next actor to play T'Challa will have to distinctly own the role to be seen as a viable iteration and not just a substitute.
Since we have some time (perhaps a couple years) til T'Challa's cinematic resurgence I'll keep searching.
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Trevante Rhodes was in the first purge movies. I haven't seen them but I looked up some of his scenes and he Seems solid
Sope Dirisu here are two videos, the first is how he handles action and the second is acting. He is Nigerian so I think he can handle accent's well
Courtesy of klaues mixtape from CBR
This is my T'Challa if they ever recast
Here is the action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e42hE6L7PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e42hE6L7PA)[/video]
Here is the acting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAalFJHbDXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAalFJHbDXI)[/video]
After these vids, DBOI, Ezyo, BlackClaw, MoS, Chesterfield and even Ekie will say Marvel is dropping the ball not getting him as T'Challa.
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Ezyo... those vids... I like Sope Dirisu. Tell Klaue's Mixtape to add me to that "Marvel is dropping the ball not getting him as T'Challa" list. Seriously, you are correct, he is where he belongs, at the top of the list.
Kimoyo, what I'm pondering is supposed Marvel for their own reason (financial concerns of investors, producers and or movie theaters; release schedule conflicts or just trying to get past Chadwick's untimely passing) decided to do the sequel, give the supporters of the A.G.E.N.D.A. what they want, buy themselves enough time to recast uninterrupted, knowing that with the introduction of the multiverse they are going to reintroduce T'Challa the Black Panther some time down the road with the new MCU versions of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Blade etc... Because there is noway nor any true win in keeping T'Challa dead but his return would be massive and pure boxoffice and merchandising gold. Just a thought.
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Apologies for the strikethrough above; Idk how to remove it...
Try editing your post; remove the brackets inside your paragraphs; the HTML engine 'thinks' you are sending a strikethrough command.
Hope my suggestion helps, Supreme.
Thank you, sir! Worked like a [ WAKANDAN ] charm!
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The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... *** The Vibranium Trumpet *** Sounding the alarm... ***
Black Panther - Wakanda Forever has everyone but T'Challa!
In seven days we will mark the one year anniversary of the death of Chadwick Boseman. As an actor and an artist he bought both dignity and respect to the character T'Challa the Black Panther. Cultural integrity was his insistence and he assured such. Chadwick Boseman did not leave a legacy, he birthed one. This Black Panther legacy which he bought into existence is still in its infancy, ready to burst with potential.
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The Black Panther that Chadwick Boseman delivered... and I knowingly say Black Panther as inclusive of T'Challa because there will always be only one true Black Panther whose name will forever remain T'Challa... did not complete his cinematic maturity, franchise growth nor most importantly his character's evolution. Now we are told that due his sudden transition the insight and talent that Chadwick Boseman bought to the Black Panther and hoped to build upon, a legacy he hoped to nurture, is to be no more.
This purposeful assignation attempt of the potential that is the legacy of Black Panther allows but one conclusion to be drawn. Black Panther - Wakanda Forever is all about distraction existing in a variant timeline known as the Misdirection Cinematic Universe with smoke and mirrors by Industrial Light and Magic. Pay no attention to mouse behind the curtain and adhere to the clarion cries of inclusion and representation. Not to worry, Black Panther - Wakanda Forever will unite black and brown peoples or at least their fictitious nations and the A.G.E.N.D.A. will be met as two lesbian women will come out in Wakanda. You will never miss the potential that was T'Challa.
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When arguments are bought up concerning T'Challa's unnecessary absence from his own unique genre of so called Afro-Futurism we are informed that was the intention from the start. Yet still we are informed of a third movie deal and discussions to expand upon T'Challa's character and personality. We are told that Tenoch Huerta, Michaela Coel and Dominique Thorne will be playing characters who are all here to help push the narrative but whose narrative are they pushing. Namor the Sub Mariner, an anti hero in search of his own franchise and Riri I Heart Williams whom almost seem redundant save for the virtue of comparative engagements between a genius female continental Afrakan and a genius female American Afrakan.
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As fans and enthusiasts of Black Panther we don't want to see a second rate "black" version of Captain America Civil War sans the previous two CA solo films and two very in character appearances in Avengers first two films. Black Panther Atlantis War should have been the third BP film allowing the second and most notably the sequel the expanse to develop new and enrich existing characters; world build and explore Wakanda; with the end credit scenes showing a man riding a massive tidal wave heading toward a secret Wakandan island detainment facility.
As fans and enthusiasts of Black Panther we accept that no other actor is going to replace Chadwick Boseman just as we know putting another character in the mantle of the Black Panther is not going succeed in replacing T'Challa the Black Panther. What will work is recasting the role of T'Challa the Black Panther so to continue his story and ensure his legacy. War with Namor, flooding the nation and techno babble between Iron heart and Shuri will not add to the culture and mystique that is Wakanda. The audience wants to explore Wakanda and see it through T'Challa's eyes. The audience wants another drink of Afrakan excellence.
This is the point Marvel is missing... the Black Panther is not like any other character on their roster. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings is often bought up in conversation with Black Panther due to their supposed minority status and diversity inclusion in the MCU. Shang Chi doesn't weigh in with Asians both here and abroad in the manner in which Black Panther did with Afrakans both here and abroad. Asians for the most part get to see films made by them, with their cultural norms intact and on full display whether in historical or fictitious movies, tv shows or documentaries and as a result are not as thirsty as us Afrakans. Black Panther showed an Afrakan people who never suffered the war and terrorism that would diminish their culture and understanding of self and people hood. Black Panther showed that without Asian, Arab or European interference we could build the greatest nation on earth. Hell yea we were thirsty for that and we drank deep and went to the well many times to see a film made by us showing the best of us.
As fans and enthusiasts of Black Panther we want to see T'Challa lead a fleet of royal talons fighters into Kree/Skrull space; watch the Black Panther walk the streets of Madripoor; in his laboratory building Sam Black Cap Wilson's wings; observe T'Challa's conversation with the Eternals as they debate their non interference policies; see the Black Panther traverse the expanse of Wakanda and his love affair with Nakia; watch him interact with the "Black" communities of the cities he has placed outreach facilities; witness him combat Atlantis, the Fantastic Four; and observe the past and future relationship between the Black Panther and Storm.
As fans and enthusiasts of Black Panther we know that BP2 will suffer greatly in T'Challa's absence. We also know that T'Challa's absence will be short lived. Why because of all the plots ideas stated above. Marvel needs T'Challa the Black Panther going forward because he is one of Marvel's power house super heroes and guest appearances will not fill his void. He will be back, maybe as soon as the end credits Black Panther Wakanda Forever, or in time for his third movie, but most assuredly for phase five. As fans and enthusiasts of Black Panther we want all aspects of the Black Panther and his world to succeed, just not at the sacrifice of the titular character.
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Even if they do what I’m fearing what they’ll do to T’Challa in this movie, Loki still have us a way they can recast via variants.
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Kimoyo, what I'm pondering is supposed Marvel for their own reason (financial concerns of investors, producers and or movie theaters; release schedule conflicts or just trying to get past Chadwick's untimely passing) decided to do the sequel, give the supporters of the A.G.E.N.D.A. what they want, buy themselves enough time to recast uninterrupted, knowing that with the introduction of the multiverse they are going to reintroduce T'Challa the Black Panther some time down the road with the new MCU versions of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Blade etc... Because there is noway nor any true win in keeping T'Challa dead but his return would be massive and pure boxoffice and merchandising gold. Just a thought.
Love your optimism Brother Ture!
Peace,
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Even if they do what I’m fearing what they’ll do to T’Challa in this movie, Loki still have us a way they can recast via variants.
Agreed.
Kimoyo, what I'm pondering is supposed Marvel for their own reason (financial concerns of investors, producers and or movie theaters; release schedule conflicts or just trying to get past Chadwick's untimely passing) decided to do the sequel, give the supporters of the A.G.E.N.D.A. what they want, buy themselves enough time to recast uninterrupted, knowing that with the introduction of the multiverse they are going to reintroduce T'Challa the Black Panther some time down the road with the new MCU versions of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Blade etc... Because there is noway nor any true win in keeping T'Challa dead but his return would be massive and pure boxoffice and merchandising gold. Just a thought.
Love your optimism Brother Ture!
Peace,
Mont
Thank you Brother Mont. I will admit they do task me at times.
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Even if they do what I’m fearing what they’ll do to T’Challa in this movie, Loki still have us a way they can recast via variants.
Agreed.
Kimoyo, what I'm pondering is supposed Marvel for their own reason (financial concerns of investors, producers and or movie theaters; release schedule conflicts or just trying to get past Chadwick's untimely passing) decided to do the sequel, give the supporters of the A.G.E.N.D.A. what they want, buy themselves enough time to recast uninterrupted, knowing that with the introduction of the multiverse they are going to reintroduce T'Challa the Black Panther some time down the road with the new MCU versions of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Blade etc... Because there is noway nor any true win in keeping T'Challa dead but his return would be massive and pure boxoffice and merchandising gold. Just a thought.
Love your optimism Brother Ture!
Peace,
Mont
Thank you Brother Mont. I will admit they do task me at times.
I’m hoping what you’re saying is true. Even with their devastation over Boseman’s passing, even they have to know that the Multiverse gives them an out.
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Appreciating what Chadwick Boseman bought to the Black Panther on this the first anniversary of his most untimely transition to ancestor-hood I'm reminded of how he worked to keep the narrative honest. Chadwick Boseman's quiet yet powerful demeanor was uncompromising and radiated both pride and respect with regards to Afrakan authenticity and representation. Chadwick Boseman's dedication to the task of bringing one of comic books greatest superheroes to cinematic life brought out the best in himself, the director, his fellow actors and actresses and the production crew. Simply stated Chadwick Boseman initiated a global cultural phenomenon. He was both vanguard and zeitgeist. No matter what comes next for the Black Panther good, bad or indifferent because of Chadwick Boseman I am filled with a sense of satiety and gratitude.
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CONTINUE TO RISE IN POWER KING!
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How Chadwick Boseman's Private Love Story Added Another Layer to His Legacy
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chadwick-bosemans-private-love-story-100000013.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chadwick-bosemans-private-love-story-100000013.html)
Chadwick Boseman played a superhero on screen. Off screen, his death probably saved lives.
http://www.yahoo.com/news/chadwick-boseman-death-shed-light-100016448.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/chadwick-boseman-death-shed-light-100016448.html)
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Is Storm knighting Bishop or conferring joint regency to him. Will Bishop become King of Sol?
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No matter, the real king is on his way!
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For the people who say we don't know what Chad wanted to happen with T'Challa:
[Video=YouTube;QMU3DLKmF18]https://youtu.be/QMU3DLKmF18[/video]
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https://johnslair.blogspot.com/2021/09/making-case-for-tchalla-variant-in-live.html?m=1
A blog post regarding how they can recast via multiverse.
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Black Panther Legends Introduces Readers to the Original White Wolf (Preview)
An exclusive preview of the young readers Black Panther Legends series reintroduces fans to Hunter, who became Marvel's original White Wolf.
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T'Challa, the King of Wakanda, is set to star in a new young readers miniseries titled Black Panther Legends, and a preview of the debut issue reintroduces Marvel's original White Wolf. CBR has the exclusive first look at Black Panther Legends #1 by author Tochi Onyebuchi (Beasts Made of Night, Riot Baby), New York Times-bestselling illustrator Setor Fiadzigbey (Bunheads) and colorist Paris Alleyne. The preview pages feature a young T'Challa and Hunter, with the latter growing up to take on the White Wolf mantle.
T'Challa and Hunter are shown having a brotherly bond as they run together through the Wakandan landscape, survey the city's technological advances, and share a special moment with King T'Chaka as he gazes at his Black Panther costume.
Created by Christopher Priest and Mark Texeira, White Wolf debuted in 1998's Black Panther #4. King T'Chaka adopted Hunter after his parents died in a plane crash just outside the Wakanda border. Even though he was viewed as an outcast, Hunter grew to love Wakanda. He developed a rivalry with T'Challa after he was born, since he was the next in line to become king after T'Chaka. Hunter would go on to lead the Hatut Zeraze, a special Wakandan police force.
A post-credits scene in 2018's Black Panther revealed Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier was nicknamed the White Wolf while he was rehabilitated from his Hydra brainwashing. He was also jokingly referred to as White Wolf in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Black Panther Legends #1 goes on sale Oct. 13 from Marvel Comics.
Black Panther Legends #1
Written by Tochi Onyebuchi
Art by Setor Fiadzigbey
Colors by Paris Alleyne
Cover by Setor Fiadzigbey
Dive into the legend of the Black Panther in this new origin story by acclaimed author Tochi Onyebuchi and New York Times-bestselling illustrator Setor Fiadzigbey, perfect for middle grade readers!
T’Challa and Hunter are brothers growing up in the idyllic royal palace of Wakanda. Theirs goes beyond the usual sibling rivalry, though – Hunter, although older, is adopted, and T’Challa is the true heir to the throne. Both brothers wrestle with fairness and the future, readying themselves for responsibility, when tragedy strikes and takes the choice from them.
This new series, ideal for young fans and loyal readers alike, will explore the moments that make T’Challa who he is, from his adventurous upbringing to his walkabout as a teen where he meets the enchanting Ororo Munroe before she becomes the legendary Storm, to when he first invites the Fantastic Four into Wakanda! Son, Brother, Warrior, King – as each chapter unfolds, new pieces of T’Challa’s character will be revealed and the Black Panther will emerge.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99
https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-legends-original-white-wolf/ (https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-legends-original-white-wolf/)
In the MCU they should do a Mandarin and have Hunter confront Bucky for using his name.
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This looks more like a Panther Quest cartoon origin. Hunter should be noticeably older than Tchalla.
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Black Panther Legends Introduces Readers to the Original White Wolf (Preview)
An exclusive preview of the young readers Black Panther Legends series reintroduces fans to Hunter, who became Marvel's original White Wolf.
BY TIM ADAMS
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T'Challa, the King of Wakanda, is set to star in a new young readers miniseries titled Black Panther Legends, and a preview of the debut issue reintroduces Marvel's original White Wolf. CBR has the exclusive first look at Black Panther Legends #1 by author Tochi Onyebuchi (Beasts Made of Night, Riot Baby), New York Times-bestselling illustrator Setor Fiadzigbey (Bunheads) and colorist Paris Alleyne. The preview pages feature a young T'Challa and Hunter, with the latter growing up to take on the White Wolf mantle.
T'Challa and Hunter are shown having a brotherly bond as they run together through the Wakandan landscape, survey the city's technological advances, and share a special moment with King T'Chaka as he gazes at his Black Panther costume.
Created by Christopher Priest and Mark Texeira, White Wolf debuted in 1998's Black Panther #4. King T'Chaka adopted Hunter after his parents died in a plane crash just outside the Wakanda border. Even though he was viewed as an outcast, Hunter grew to love Wakanda. He developed a rivalry with T'Challa after he was born, since he was the next in line to become king after T'Chaka. Hunter would go on to lead the Hatut Zeraze, a special Wakandan police force.
A post-credits scene in 2018's Black Panther revealed Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier was nicknamed the White Wolf while he was rehabilitated from his Hydra brainwashing. He was also jokingly referred to as White Wolf in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Black Panther Legends #1 goes on sale Oct. 13 from Marvel Comics.
Black Panther Legends #1
Written by Tochi Onyebuchi
Art by Setor Fiadzigbey
Colors by Paris Alleyne
Cover by Setor Fiadzigbey
Dive into the legend of the Black Panther in this new origin story by acclaimed author Tochi Onyebuchi and New York Times-bestselling illustrator Setor Fiadzigbey, perfect for middle grade readers!
T’Challa and Hunter are brothers growing up in the idyllic royal palace of Wakanda. Theirs goes beyond the usual sibling rivalry, though – Hunter, although older, is adopted, and T’Challa is the true heir to the throne. Both brothers wrestle with fairness and the future, readying themselves for responsibility, when tragedy strikes and takes the choice from them.
This new series, ideal for young fans and loyal readers alike, will explore the moments that make T’Challa who he is, from his adventurous upbringing to his walkabout as a teen where he meets the enchanting Ororo Munroe before she becomes the legendary Storm, to when he first invites the Fantastic Four into Wakanda! Son, Brother, Warrior, King – as each chapter unfolds, new pieces of T’Challa’s character will be revealed and the Black Panther will emerge.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99
https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-legends-original-white-wolf/ (https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-legends-original-white-wolf/)
In the MCU they should do a Mandarin and have Hunter confront Bucky for using his name.
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If they are doing the FF introduction then this writer better come correct and properly shoe an updated version of the fight between them. This is a chance to make it a clear cut win without interruptions and have T'Challa simply end it as he deems himself ready for Klaw.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/09/15/marvels-avengers-has-sold-better-than-you-think-this-year/?sh=90250351c961 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/09/15/marvels-avengers-has-sold-better-than-you-think-this-year/?sh=90250351c961)
Looks like the king saved a game that was thought to be dead. Now the best way they can thank T’Challa is to give him his own game.
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The sequel to "The Young Prince" comes out this month.
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Good catch CvilleWakandan. I am pleased to see so much reading material for young people based on the Black Panther. I need to read some more of it to see what kind of stories they are telling.
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SNEAK PEEK: EXCLUSIVE Preview of Marvel’s BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS #1 (OF 4)
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T’Challa and Hunter are brothers growing up in the idyllic royal palace of Wakanda. Theirs goes beyond the usual sibling rivalry, though – Hunter, although older, is adopted, and T’Challa is the true heir to the throne. Both brothers wrestle with fairness and the future, readying themselves for responsibility, when tragedy strikes and takes the choice from them.
This new series, ideal for young fans and loyal readers alike, will explore the moments that make T’Challa who he is, from his adventurous upbringing to his walkabout as a teen where he meets the enchanting Ororo Munroe before she becomes the legendary Storm, to when he first invites the Fantastic Four into Wakanda! Son, Brother, Warrior, King – as each chapter unfolds, new pieces of T’Challa’s character will be revealed and the Black Panther will emerge.
Variant cover by Nelson Blake II
Variant by Brian Stelfreeze
In stores Wednesday 13 October
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MORE BP COMIC NEWS!!!
Shuri Becomes Black Panther In Stunning Comic Cover
Shuri stars as Black Panther in a stunning variant cover from David Nakayama that brings the Wakandan Marvel Comics hero to life.
BY LIAM MCGUIRE
In a new version of an iconic cover from David Nakayama starring Shuri, the Wakandan hero shines as Black Panther. In the photorealistic variant cover, Shuri wears her own Black Panther costume, fitted with a long cape, fur accents, and her beautiful hair flowing as she's not wearing her mask. The new version of the cover is a part of Unknown Comics' fifth-anniversary celebration.
In the comics, Shuri is the sister to the leading Black Panther, T'Challa. The Princess of Wakanda is the heiress to the throne, whose genius-level intellect has been integral in the city's technological innovation and assisting her brother. After T'Challa is nearly killed, Shuri vies to become the new Black Panther, completing the necessary trials. However, she isn't granted the powers of the Black Panther due to her jealousy of her brother. However, the Panther God eventually gives her the abilities and official role after Shuri saves Wakanda and helps bring T'Challa back to life. In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Shuri is played by actress Letitia Wright. Rumors have suggested Shuri will become the next Black Panther in the MCU following the passing of Chadwick Boseman.
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The cover is an updated version of a cover set to appear on the upcoming Black Panther #1 by John Ridley and Juan Cabal. On his website, Nakayama explained that the comic-accurate image started off as fan art based on the storyline where T'Challa is taken out of commission and Shuri rises in his place. Marvel's Black Panther series is set to relaunch later this year in an action-packed series set to change T'Challa's life forever.
For fans of Black Panther and Shuri, it's a must-pick-up. For those hopeful she follows her path in the comics and replaces T'Challa as Black Panther, the cover might be an unintentional tease at what might come next in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. For those wanting to get the stunning variant cover starring Shuri's Black Panther, it's available to order now on the Unknown Comics website.
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Seems like they used Panthers' Quest cartoon as inspiration for their relationship. If the writer doesn't adjust their dynamic as they get older, it will be as bad as the cartoons was.
I like the art and the way they chose to draw the city is the best it's been in years. Advanced, but earthy.
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Christopher Priest and Brian Stelfreeze are scheduled for Baltimore Comicon the weekend of October 22nd.
I only need 10 or so books signed and I'll have Priests' signature on his whole BP run. 1-12 are signed TPB.
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Seems like they used Panthers' Quest cartoon as inspiration for their relationship. If the writer doesn't adjust their dynamic as they get older, it will be as bad as the cartoons was.
I like the art and the way they chose to draw the city is the best it's been in years. Advanced, but earthy.
I think their relationship is going to filled with conflict and adversity. There is a lot to play with and I liked what Priest did with the two of them and hope to see some development and complexity added even though this is a YA comic book.
Christopher Priest and Brian Stelfreeze are scheduled for Baltimore Comicon the weekend of October 22nd.
I only need 10 or so books signed and I'll have Priests' signature on his whole BP run. 1-12 are signed TPB.
Whoa! Now that is impressive. Makes me want to get some signatures. I meant to get Reginald Hudlin's back when he was signing off on his BP animated DVD. Blown opportunity.
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Seems like they used Panthers' Quest cartoon as inspiration for their relationship. If the writer doesn't adjust their dynamic as they get older, it will be as bad as the cartoons was.
I like the art and the way they chose to draw the city is the best it's been in years. Advanced, but earthy.
I think their relationship is going to filled with conflict and adversity. There is a lot to play with and I liked what Priest did with the two of them and hope to see some development and complexity added even though this is a YA comic book.
Christopher Priest and Brian Stelfreeze are scheduled for Baltimore Comicon the weekend of October 22nd.
I only need 10 or so books signed and I'll have Priests' signature on his whole BP run. 1-12 are signed TPB.
Whoa! Now that is impressive. Makes me want to get some signatures. I meant to get Reginald Hudlin's back when he was signing off on his BP animated DVD. Blown opportunity.
An adversarial relationship is what I'd want, but in these two preview issues Hunter is getting the better of Tchalla. I'd hope it be an equal back and forth. But if they had made Tchalla ten and Hunter eighteen, it'd make sense. But they stole a lot from Thors' first movie. The scene where Odin is talking to a young Thir and Loki.
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Yeah, I don't care for this deal that hunter is getting the one up over T'Challa, especially if they are shortening the age gap between them and making hunter only 5 years older. It doesn't bode well, what been shown on the preview so far, hunter getting the one up on T'Challa, T'Chaka being the one who's pushing the opening of Wakanda instead of T'Challa. Don't like these retcons
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Seems like they used Panthers' Quest cartoon as inspiration for their relationship. If the writer doesn't adjust their dynamic as they get older, it will be as bad as the cartoons was.
I like the art and the way they chose to draw the city is the best it's been in years. Advanced, but earthy.
I think their relationship is going to filled with conflict and adversity. There is a lot to play with and I liked what Priest did with the two of them and hope to see some development and complexity added even though this is a YA comic book.
Christopher Priest and Brian Stelfreeze are scheduled for Baltimore Comicon the weekend of October 22nd.
I only need 10 or so books signed and I'll have Priests' signature on his whole BP run. 1-12 are signed TPB.
Whoa! Now that is impressive. Makes me want to get some signatures. I meant to get Reginald Hudlin's back when he was signing off on his BP animated DVD. Blown opportunity.
An adversarial relationship is what I'd want, but in these two preview issues Hunter is getting the better of Tchalla. I'd hope it be an equal back and forth. But if they had made Tchalla ten and Hunter eighteen, it'd make sense. But they stole a lot from Thors' first movie. The scene where Odin is talking to a young Thir and Loki.
Agreed, though I don't remember much about Thor's first cinematic outing, I don't want to witness Hunter, Ororo nor the Fantastic Four getting the better of T'Challa.
With regards to the White Wolf, in the Priest era Hunter was significantly older than T'Challa.
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In Black Panther's Quest they appeared much closer in age.
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For this story (and most all BP tales) to really work they are going to have to let T'Challa shine as a scientific and technological genius; a phenom of martial arts and combat and spiritually in sync with the powers of the Panther spirit.
One of the challenges I think Priest inflicted upon himself was making sure his Black Panther had space for white people. White girlfriend, white adopted brother, white government attache. While turnabout maybe fair play as this maybe akin to Batman's Lucius Fox and Spider-man's Robbie Robertson it was unnecessary as those BP characters would have fleshed out better if they were indeed Afrakan (so called black). Priest's exposition of Hunter post his origin is what brought life to the character and prevented him from falling into the Tarzan/KaZar trope.
Since the race aspects of Ross, Hunter and Nikki were never played upon there was no real need to make them white. A "black" Ross would have worked wonders due to his perspective as a CIA operative assigned to a "black" king of an unconquered nation. "Black" Hunter coming from a neighboring country too would have really spiced things up. Imagine T'Challa's educational exploration of the west taking him to an HBCU and meeting "black" Nikki.
So while in the 616 we will have to see what develops within the pages of Black Panther Legends.
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Yeah, I don't care for this deal that hunter is getting the one up over T'Challa, especially if they are shortening the age gap between them and making hunter only 5 years older. It doesn't bode well, what been shown on the preview so far, hunter getting the one up on T'Challa, T'Chaka being the one who's pushing the opening of Wakanda instead of T'Challa. Don't like these retcons
I concur. It seems that where T'Challa the Black Panther is concerned there is too often some kind of trepidation with regards to letting him be his best self.
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Yeah, I don't care for this deal that hunter is getting the one up over T'Challa, especially if they are shortening the age gap between them and making hunter only 5 years older. It doesn't bode well, what been shown on the preview so far, hunter getting the one up on T'Challa, T'Chaka being the one who's pushing the opening of Wakanda instead of T'Challa. Don't like these retcons
I concur. It seems that where T'Challa the Black Panther is concerned there is too often some kind of trepidation with regards to letting him be his best self.
That's in most fiction. The difference I think with Priest and Hudlin, is that their highs are so memorable that the lows can be easily forgotten. So when other writers tell avenger stories using the same formula, it's more obvious. Also writers think it's a more compelling story if they show other people getting the best of the main character until the end. The problem is most don't write good endings(something that is already difficult to pull off)so it seems like the entire story was a waste. And I tend to give leeway if the book isn't the main characters. I'd expect for Black Cat to get the best of Spider-Man in her book even though I know it would go differently in his.
Panthers Quest did a lot of people getting the better if Tchalla and the ending was uninspired.
Even Game if Thrones is average until the second to last episode of the season. That's when it hits the fan and all the previous episodes become valuable. Especially on rewatch, because you already know what each step is leading up to. They just keep people entertained with nudity and gore until then. Lol
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Yeah, I don't care for this deal that hunter is getting the one up over T'Challa, especially if they are shortening the age gap between them and making hunter only 5 years older. It doesn't bode well, what been shown on the preview so far, hunter getting the one up on T'Challa, T'Chaka being the one who's pushing the opening of Wakanda instead of T'Challa. Don't like these retcons
I concur. It seems that where T'Challa the Black Panther is concerned there is too often some kind of trepidation with regards to letting him be his best self.
That's in most fiction. The difference I think with Priest and Hudlin, is that their highs are so memorable that the lows can be easily forgotten. So when other writers tell avenger stories using the same formula, it's more obvious. Also writers think it's a more compelling story if they show other people getting the best of the main character until the end. The problem is most don't write good endings(something that is already difficult to pull off)so it seems like the entire story was a waste. And I tend to give leeway if the book isn't the main characters. I'd expect for Black Cat to get the best of Spider-Man in her book even though I know it would go differently in his.
Panthers Quest did a lot of people getting the better if Tchalla and the ending was uninspired.
Even Game if Thrones is average until the second to last episode of the season. That's when it hits the fan and all the previous episodes become valuable. Especially on rewatch, because you already know what each step is leading up to. They just keep people entertained with nudity and gore until then. Lol
I disagree slightly, In PQ, Redjack made villains more formidable, but none really got the better of T'Challa straight up. Especially not Hunter. All except for 3 and all 3 have reason: Winter Soldier, Zanda, and Bask. WS won because T'Challa needed to one locate Klaw, and two, WS was getting reckless and despite being a hero he was willing to potentially kill innocent people to take down T'Challa. Hence why in round 2 T'Challa beat both his and Tony's asses simultaneously in their tag team against him because there wasn't innocents or information to gain so he could focus on defeating them and getting back to Wakanda.
Zanda and Bask both have the same "problem" T'Challa must face for both of them. That is them being female. In a kids show, you bet your ass they are not going to shoe a male character beating down a female characters as it will appear to promote violence against women. That's why in the episode where T'Challa team's up with Kamala and Zanda appears and is getting worked, it was obvious to me (Which I even pointed out to Redjack) that T'Challa wasn't actually fighting Zanda, Redjack said she was a superior fighter, but it only appeared that way because of you watch, T'Challa is using more throws and grapples to subdue Zanda rather than actually fighting like we see all thoughout the other episodes against male characters. And Which why Kamala handily bests her is because she is female.
You can have female characters beat the brakes off female characters AND makes characters, you cannot do the same for male characters. This also happens when T'Challa and Shuri are trying to escape as well, CM and Kamala get outsmarted and beaten by the WK siblings and T'Challa doesn't really throw any punches, but Shuri does.
The ending was uninspired and Redjack made a unfortunate mistake making Bask female instead of Bashenga having a brother. It was a no win situation for T'Challa because of that since he has no way of beating her when she challenged for the throne outside of getting her to yield via submission while she is straight going for the kill, it's Zanda all over again except this time he doesn't have a female character to throw the punches for him.
Throughout the series though T'Challa got many solid wins. Some characters he usually easily beats were tougher and that's fine because your don't want the hero just moonwalking over everyone, and they were scaled UP rather than T'Challa being nerfed. It's just Bask being the big bad at the end was the biggest mistake.
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So having a male character beat a female villain apparently promotes violence against women. And yet nobody thinks this whenever Batman throws hands with Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy or when Thor fought Hela.
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For kid's cartoons? Yeah it's going to be a hard time. When you have a more mature audience you can get away with it a little better. But Thor vs Hela he was getting his ass beat, and if your talking about DC movie's (I don't really watch DC animation so I can't say) in Suicide squad o believe Batman simply punched Harley once to knock her out then rescued her and took her to jail since she was on a sinking car and he needed to successfully rescue her without both of them drowning.
But of you watch kid cartoons, especially the Avengers ones, you mostly will notice how female characters don't get straight clocked in most cases by male characters. It's like EMH when T'Challa only fighting the Avengers. Wasps doesn't get hit at all, by T'Challa but everyone else save Cap does.
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Batman the animated series got around it by saying that it happened, but no showing it on screen. Or implying it happened when Harley left the frame.
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Yeah, I don't care for this deal that hunter is getting the one up over T'Challa, especially if they are shortening the age gap between them and making hunter only 5 years older. It doesn't bode well, what been shown on the preview so far, hunter getting the one up on T'Challa, T'Chaka being the one who's pushing the opening of Wakanda instead of T'Challa. Don't like these retcons
I concur. It seems that where T'Challa the Black Panther is concerned there is too often some kind of trepidation with regards to letting him be his best self.
That's in most fiction. The difference I think with Priest and Hudlin, is that their highs are so memorable that the lows can be easily forgotten. So when other writers tell avenger stories using the same formula, it's more obvious. Also writers think it's a more compelling story if they show other people getting the best of the main character until the end. The problem is most don't write good endings(something that is already difficult to pull off)so it seems like the entire story was a waste. And I tend to give leeway if the book isn't the main characters. I'd expect for Black Cat to get the best of Spider-Man in her book even though I know it would go differently in his.
Panthers Quest did a lot of people getting the better if Tchalla and the ending was uninspired.
Even Game if Thrones is average until the second to last episode of the season. That's when it hits the fan and all the previous episodes become valuable. Especially on rewatch, because you already know what each step is leading up to. They just keep people entertained with nudity and gore until then. Lol
I disagree slightly, In PQ, Redjack made villains more formidable, but none really got the better of T'Challa straight up. Especially not Hunter. All except for 3 and all 3 have reason: Winter Soldier, Zanda, and Bask. WS won because T'Challa needed to one locate Klaw, and two, WS was getting reckless and despite being a hero he was willing to potentially kill innocent people to take down T'Challa. Hence why in round 2 T'Challa beat both his and Tony's asses simultaneously in their tag team against him because there wasn't innocents or information to gain so he could focus on defeating them and getting back to Wakanda.
Zanda and Bask both have the same "problem" T'Challa must face for both of them. That is them being female. In a kids show, you bet your ass they are not going to shoe a male character beating down a female characters as it will appear to promote violence against women. That's why in the episode where T'Challa team's up with Kamala and Zanda appears and is getting worked, it was obvious to me (Which I even pointed out to Redjack) that T'Challa wasn't actually fighting Zanda, Redjack said she was a superior fighter, but it only appeared that way because of you watch, T'Challa is using more throws and grapples to subdue Zanda rather than actually fighting like we see all thoughout the other episodes against male characters. And Which why Kamala handily bests her is because she is female.
You can have female characters beat the brakes off female characters AND makes characters, you cannot do the same for male characters. This also happens when T'Challa and Shuri are trying to escape as well, CM and Kamala get outsmarted and beaten by the WK siblings and T'Challa doesn't really throw any punches, but Shuri does.
The ending was uninspired and Redjack made a unfortunate mistake making Bask female instead of Bashenga having a brother. It was a no win situation for T'Challa because of that since he has no way of beating her when she challenged for the throne outside of getting her to yield via submission while she is straight going for the kill, it's Zanda all over again except this time he doesn't have a female character to throw the punches for him.
Throughout the series though T'Challa got many solid wins. Some characters he usually easily beats were tougher and that's fine because your don't want the hero just moonwalking over everyone, and they were scaled UP rather than T'Challa being nerfed. It's just Bask being the big bad at the end was the biggest mistake.
I didn't mean fighting, I meant in the same ways as shown in the previews. Most of them being losing the long game. Gathering the objects just to lose them in CD the end, putting Zemo in a good position only for him to betray later. The Inhuman episode was avoidable if he hadn't gone looking for it. Lol. Jumping to conclusions that Hunter was bad only to be proven wrong.
These are standard cartoon tropes, I'm just thinking this prequel book wil on follow them too.
Crazy thing is Panthers Quest is exactly like Gaurdians season 1 in as far as get the macguffin storyline.
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Ah okay. That makes sense. I think that also plays onto when you have a focus on a character like T'Challa, unless you have another person to "share" screen time with, similar to what priest did where we could have a mysterious T'Challa who's steps ahead, or telling the story in reverse. T'Challa is a hard character to write how Priest wrote him, it's possible but it requires being on point and knowing the ins and outs. Still, I believe Redjack got it in KiB and if the series was written in a PG13 or Netflix like style, T'Challa could be shown more brutal and you can get those more brutal depictions on top of him not being tied to the Avengers makes him able to be more formidable too.
Ultimately that's the deal, being tied to the Avengers makes it harder for him to be like priest BP. He did give us Priest vibes and BP vs Thor and BP beating down tiger shark and Tony and WS were the best showings of the series, T'Challa would of been better served under his OWN show
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I'd say its average. Not a bad issue, but a one time read than never comes out if a long box. More of a quick apartheid lesson. What I was worried about them doing with Tchalla and Hunter wasn't really an issue.
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I'd say its average. Not a bad issue, but a one time read than never comes out if a long box. More of a quick apartheid lesson. What I was worried about them doing with Tchalla and Hunter wasn't really an issue.
Don't know how you get the books so fast CvilleWakandan.
Black Panther Legends read well enough and the art while simplistic was aesthetically pleasing.
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This being Tochi Onyebuchi first run at BP and being only one issue deep, I will reserve any serious critique until he completes his run. Superficially, I do fatigue of T'Challa's stories being yoked to his supporting characters or dare I say the Avengers. From Shuri to the Dora Milaje and now Hunter.
Tochi Onyebuchi had this to say as to why he chose to use the White Wolf.
He’s a goldmine of storytelling potential! Oh my goodness! [Laughs] When I first encountered Hunter, I wondered why he hasn’t been featured in every Black Panther story! [Laughs] He’s so compelling. I have to confess to a certain amount of glee when I discovered how relatively untouched this character was because I could really have fun with him.
I love this idea and motif of brothers and the relationship between them. The issues of responsibility, of inheritance, of power, of patriotism—what does it look like to see all of that manifest differently? I think what’s also fascinating to me is the issue of Hunter’s race. There’s this white kid who under very tragic circumstances gets adopted into the royalist black royal family.
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[Laughs] That in and of itself is a super compelling story. Then you have T’Challa being born as this younger brother and Hunter having to deal with no longer being the one, the heir so to speak. The storytelling potential there was just so magnificent. I’m getting more and more speechless just thinking about it because Hunter is such a rich character and provides such a fantastic foil for T’Challa.
Seeing them interact, specifically in the particular context of BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS, they have to deal with issues of apartheid. How does Hunter, as a white kid growing up in the black royal family, face that? It’s so rich! I also think that’s a dynamic that can appeal to younger readers. The idea of family with all of these different pressures exerted on it.
I think it’s something younger readers will see in this book and it will make them think, it will make them look at their own familial dynamics and see the idea of family in a more interesting light. I just love brothers. [Laughs]
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tochi-onyebuchi-black-panther-legends-interview (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tochi-onyebuchi-black-panther-legends-interview)
I also don't appreciate T'Challa's skills and abilities being hobbled. Hunter wins the race (though he was winded, sweaty and bent over) and this...
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Young T'Challa should never get close to being touched by unskilled peer. Nor should he be so distracted that he would loose his Kimoyo bracelet. In addition our young adult readers need to see this kind of affection displayed on T'Challa.
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Instead of focusing on Hunter I think more attention and detail should be placed on T'Chaka assassination. It should take a lot to take out the king and Black Panther of Wakanda. Not this.
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A six man crew for T'Chaka... frakin' insulting.
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Oh I can hear it now, this is a YA book it is not supposed to go deep. While Hudlin did better than most, T'Chaka's assassination hasn't been properly done for over fifty years. While this is not Tochi Onyebuchi fault it is a responsibility he could have embraced and added something new to flesh out this all too pivotal event in T'Challa's life.
The ad for the next issue says it all.
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C'mon, who should be considered the living legend at this point of first contact. Here is what Tochi Onyebuchi had to say.
I am so excited for y’all to meet Storm in BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS. Going back to the question of how do you tackle a story that’s been done so many times before, there have been several instances in which we’ve seen that initial meet-cute between T’Challa and Ororo. This was an opportunity to do that, but new. The way we were able to pull it off—I don’t really want to say anything beyond that, I don’t want to get into spoilers, but it’s something that will make readers very happy.
We wanted to make sure Storm was a character in her own right, that this is a book where she didn’t exist solely to serve his character development. I think that’s a trap writers can sometimes fall into, particularly with hero books, that you’ll have these compelling female or nonbinary characters who exist only for the hero’s character development, or they’re plot devices. We worked really hard to make sure that wasn’t the case here. The Ororo you meet here is compelling with her own desires and hopes and fears and wishes and dreams. I’m really proud of how we were able to pull that off. We will meet the Fantastic Four as well in this series!
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tochi-onyebuchi-black-panther-legends-interview (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tochi-onyebuchi-black-panther-legends-interview)
I'll close by stating if you want to build up guest or supporting characters give them their own limited series. A Black Panther book is by definition designed to develop the eponymous character and we should accept nothing less.
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Writer Tochi Onyebuchi on T'Challa's Origins and 'Black Panther Legends'
Uncover some behind-the-scenes insights into the new Black Panther story—on shelves now!
BY BEN MORSE
Talk to me a little bit about your personal history with T’Challa, with Black Panther. Were you a longtime fan or did you come to the character later?
I was an X-Men kid growing up, the X-Men books were my bread and butter. I think a pivotal event for me was AVENGERS VS. X-MEN, because that’s when I started adding other Marvel characters to my list of favorites. It was really cool seeing all of the interactions. That coincided with my growing awareness of issues of race in America. Growing up as the son of Nigerian immigrants, I always felt like I was in a position where I didn’t completely identify as an African-American; I can trace my family eight generations back, but I’m not fully Nigerian, because I was born in America. I operate in that sort of in-between space. Black Panther stood out for me because he and Wakanda were depictions of Africa that I didn’t see very often, particularly in western media. The most technologically advanced nation in the world is on the African continent—that was incredibly appealing to me.
But it was also about the possibilities where T’Challa could go as a character. I think it’s fascinating to explore all these different aspects of his identity that go into his being a hero. What is it like being an African hero? I don’t think I realized how incredible his impact was until the movie came out. To a lot of people that was their first exposure to T’Challa as a character and Wakanda as a concept. Seeing the reaction—particularly among continental Africans and African-Americans and the people in between—seeing the incredible reaction that sparked, there’s so much here with how this character resonates with people, what it’s like seeing him as a complicated, complex hero. He’s not just one-dimensional, he doesn’t just put on the suit and save people. I’ve always appreciated that about the Marvel books, the complexity of the heroes.
You’re going to be revisiting T’Challa’s origin as Black Panther in BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS. This is a story that has been told many times, both in the comics and on screen. As a writer, what are the pros and cons for you of exploring familiar territory like this?
It’s a very interesting question, particularly working as a Marvel writer because there’s so much history. Personally, as a creator, on one hand I want to honor the efforts of those who have come before and have told these stories while at the same time understanding that I was asked to be a part of this for a reason. I have a very unique take on this, a perspective that could enrich this story. It’s been so much fun seeing what I could get away with. [Laughs]
Another thing is that because of the way time works in comics, origin stories can take place in different contexts. T’Challa’s original origin story was placed in a very specific geo-political context, a very specific time and place in the world. T’Challa as envisioned in BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS has an origin story taking place in a very different time and place geo-politically. Another thing I really appreciated about this process is that Marvel really let me ground this story in a very specific Africa. This is an origin story where the royal family is aware of things happening on the continent, and that to me was very important, because when you think about the history of T’Challa and the history of the Black Panther as an icon in Wakanda, you think about all of Wakanda’s resources and what they had at their disposal that enabled them to advance the way they did. And then you look at everything that surrounded them, all of the chaos and the carnage and the exploitation.
To me the very compelling question that arises is did Wakanda see a role for itself in all of this? What was behind this policy of isolationism? As a kid growing up as all this is happening, T’Challa has to reckon with the consequences of that policy. That to me is fascinating because you’re watching a country grow as you’re watching this character grow.
full article
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tochi-onyebuchi-black-panther-legends-interview (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tochi-onyebuchi-black-panther-legends-interview)
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X-Men fan? Yep I’m out.
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New books on Comixology are available around 3am. I have Unlimited so I save 15%.
I think he leaned on a standard trope that the hero would throw himself in front of the bullet and get killed. Tchaka was winning easily up to that point.
Tchalla was fighting five on one at only 10-12 years old. Taking a punch that didn't even phase him is impressive. The bracelet part didn't need to happen, I didn't see how it had any bearing on the story. Didn't seem like Klaw used it to power his gauntlet. Maybe it helped with smuggling? But inspection was pretty lax with a briefcase gun unless it was done by Killmongers father. Lol
It would have been simple to say he used it to sneak across the border with a small army after the initial meeting and he and Tchaka had a big fight near the mines.
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I'll say what I did before she. I saw that interview.
Guest characters showing up on other heroes titles by default, are designed to help the character development of the title character.
Do you punk them out to make the hero look good? No, you should really try not to do that, especially if in order to do that they have to be written wildly ooc.
This story is simple. When they meet have them help each other, Storm sees T'Challa fighting off 5 grown adults, she comes in to help, more show up, they take them down together and escape, which each of them "Saving" the other with a lean to T'Challa getting more feats (it's his book) and leave it at that.
Ultimately it's not Storm's book, so she doesn't need some deep dive into her as a character. Introduce her, have T'Challa interact with her, be respectful to both characters and move it along.
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Comixology... so that's your secret. Cool, I enjoy reading your early reviews CvilleWakandan. The standard trope is what house's my criticism. If taking a punch is impressive I think never getting touched by five attackers is even more impressive. We agree on the whole bracelet plot. Wakandan security is indeed a joke. No weapons scanning, nor identity confirmation via facial recognition software, no armor or proficient bodyguards or automated defense systems?!? C'mon, this is why T'Chaka's death needs to be updated and made far more interesting.
I'll say what I did before she. I saw that interview.
Guest characters showing up on other heroes titles by default, are designed to help the character development of the title character.
Do you punk them out to make the hero look good? No, you should really try not to do that, especially if in order to do that they have to be written wildly ooc.
This story is simple. When they meet have them help each other, Storm sees T'Challa fighting off 5 grown adults, she comes in to help, more show up, they take them down together and escape, which each of them "Saving" the other with a lean to T'Challa getting more feats (it's his book) and leave it at that.
Ultimately it's not Storm's book, so she doesn't need some deep dive into her as a character. Introduce her, have T'Challa interact with her, be respectful to both characters and move it along.
Quoted for truth Ezyo, simply quoted for truth.
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Black Panther's Brother Hunter Returns To Marvel Comics
A little-known character from the Black Panther franchise just reappeared in a new Marvel adventure: Hunter, T'Challa's white half-brother!
BY JOSHUA ISAAK
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Marvel's Black Panther franchise is known for having plenty of supporting characters that are loved by fans, but one of T'Challa's lesser-known allies has reappeared in Marvel Comics: his white half brother Hunter. The character has an interesting history with the Marvel Cinematic Universe in that the hero's title - the White Wolf - made the transition from page to screen, but not necessarily the hero himself. But in Black Panther Legends #1, written by Tochi Onyebuchi with art by Paris Allleyne and colors by Setor Fiadzigbey, Marvel revisits T'Challa's relationship with Hunter.
In Black Panther history, Hunter was raised alongside T'Challa in the royal city in Wakanda after his parents perished in a plane crash in the neighboring Republic of Mohanda. As one of the very few Caucasian people even allowed to visit Wakanda, let alone live in it, Hunter wasn't always accepted by the citizens - but he was always welcomed by T'Challa and the royal family. However, he harbored a slight resentment toward the family, as he knew he would never be chosen to take the throne over T'Challa (much like Loki.
In Black Panther Legends, Marvel retells the story of a diplomatic trip to South Africa by King T'Chaka, who takes both T'Challa and Hunter along. The group see for themselves the divide between races - Hunter must stand isolated in a "Europeans Only" line while the rest of the delegation queue next to him. T'Challa learns that his grandmother was one of the many anti-apartheid revolutionaries in South Africa at the time, which inspires him to defend a child beset by bullies in the streets. Hunter fights with him - and the two are naturally scolded by their parents after - but Hunter immediately realizes the difference between himself and his brother.
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"I was jealous of T'Challa," Hunter admits to the queen, his adoptive mother. When T'Challa rose to the challenge and defended the target of the bullies, Hunter felt like he was only defending T'Challa. While he fully admits that T'Challa deserves to be the Black Panther and the next King of Wakanda, he can't help feeling that as soon as T'Challa was born "...I lost the chance to prove myself." It's a surprisingly mature realization from someone as young as Hunter, who would go on to become the White Wolf much later in life.
Unfortunately, Hunter's desire to prove himself manifested in a desire to upstage T'Challa in any way, even after his brother became king. The White Wolf would later become a member of the Wakandan secret police, then a mercenary, and finally an enemy of T'Challa and an exile from Wakanda. Unfortunately, since Hunter and the Black Panther's bond went back years in the comics, the White Wolf is nearly impossible to adapt in the MCU (which is perhaps the reason why Bucky Barnes is the new holder of the title).
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-brother-hunter-returns-marvel-comics/
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Black Panther Legends #2
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Black Panther Legends #2 Synopsis: Follow young T’Challa as he continues on his hero’s journey – and meets the legendary Storm! Three years after the death of his father, T’Challa continues his preparations to one day ascend the throne. After being rescued from poachers by a girl named Ororo who can control storms, he stays with her for a little while, meeting the other families she’s been helping – and learning that he, and Wakanda, could be doing better by their neighbors. But threats back home are building, and they will not be so easily dealt with! Dive into the legend of the Black Panther in this new origin story by acclaimed author Tochi Onyebuchi and New York Times-bestselling illustrator Setor Fiadzigbey, perfect for middle grade readers!
32 PGS./Rated T …$3.99
Tochi Onyebuchi (W) • Setor Fiadzigbey (A/C) • Variant cover by Edge
STORMBREAKERS VARIANT COVER BY JOSHUA CASSARA
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Price:$4.99
Release Date: November 17th, 2021
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Black Panther Legends (2021) #2 (Variant)
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Writer:
Tochi Onyebuchi
Penciler:
Fran Galan, Setor Fiadzigbey
Cover Artist:
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My cousin and I were discussing issue #1 and he commented that he really appreciated how Tochi Onyebuchi integrated and connected T'Challa to his father death in such a creatively integral and unique way thus distinguishing T'Challa from any other character to take the mantle of Black Panther. T'Challa has to live with the consequences of actions leading directly to his father being killed by Klaw.
An act of kindness and protection of an innocent...
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leads to...
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Now I would argue that Kimoyo beads are given at birth and as such would be hard to overlook their loss, especially so for T'Challa. Note that young T'Challa wears kimoyo beads on both his wrists. Second, I would argue that not only would they not work for anyone other than whom they were made for, this being especially true for a non Wakandan. Not to mention the tech is incompatible with anything Klaw could get his hands on. Also we can't overlook the fact that Klaw was able to smuggle weapons not only into Wakanda but into the office of the king. Wakandan security measures are like nonexistent.
Some may contest that this is a young readers limited series and as such doesn't require such details but I would counter that this lack of details runs rampant through BP ongoing series for decades. It wouldn't take much for a limited or ongoing series to have Klaw state he was part of a coalition made up of Hydra and A.I.M. who have connects with the Atlanteans, Skrulls and some Kree dissidents to justify them circumventing Wakandan tech.
I haven't been satisfied with any rendering of T'Chaka's death. It should take a lot to kill him. A coalition as described above would fit the bill. Having T'Challa kill Klaw would be poetic as would the previously mentioned coalition reviving Klaw and making him into a being composed of raw energy. Of course if you want to keep it in house just have Klaw being seen as a super rich, scientific genius on par with Stark or Richards; create his own tech; invade Wakanda and get summarily defeated; transform himself into an energy being and then engage T'Chaka. This would make more sense to me.
On to Legends Black Panther #2.
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John Ridley had better come strong. Tochi Onyebuchi's Legends Black Panther #2 reads very well. It is concise and well paced. The changes he made may be missed by the casual or new BP reader but they still come off as more a nuance than unnecessary or a deconstruction. All characters voices rang true and there was a good dynamic between T'Challa and Ororo that distinguishes Onyebuchi from predecessors Claremont and Dickey. With only two issues in, I like this telling of Black Panther enough to read it as a 12 issue maxi series. If this series continues to read well to its conclusion, I could see inviting Tochi Onyebuchi back to scribe other historical BP adventures and/or creating some new ones. I hope John Ridley's first two issue read as well.
SPOILERS!
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As an enthusiast of the super hero aesthetic I would like to see young T'Challa in some cool looking, high tech Afrakan futurist attire.
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Note how they refer to "the Wolf" and not the "bull" as in DeRuyter the Bull as the person they answer to. Apparently he has been retconned out of the story.
T'Challa is smooth, confident in his abilities, with a no compromise attitude.
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Cool intro. Storm shines as she usual in a BP comic. What Tochi Onyebuchi got right was neither was compromised by having one save the other. Very smart on his part.
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I like Storm describing the rumors and mystique of Wakanda and the Black Panther.
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Age appropriate young teens, no sex scenes and yet you can feel their romance burgeoning.
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I don't like the insistence and constant stating going back to Aaron's Avengers that Wakanda ignores and does not help other Afrakan countries. It makes them look petty, immature, unsophisticated and cowardly. As a narrative it just doesn't make sense.
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I purposefully left out the new and juicer parts of the story and just showed how well Tochi Onyebuchi handled the Black Panther and Storm's romance. He remained much closer to Claremont's version.
This was the kind of storytelling I was expecting from Kyle Baker.
This was a good read, the artwork was nice and I am looking forward to issue number three.
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This was a really good read. Everybody got respect, nobody looked weak. Good pacing, the art for the story and he is setting up some good conflict for later.
If we needed a definitive Tchalla meet Storm as kids, this is it.
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BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS #3 (of 4)
TOCHI ONYEBUCHI (W) • FRAN GALÁN (A)
Cover by Jahnoy Lindsay
Variant cover by Natacha Bustos
It’s time for T’Challa to claim his throne.
T’Challa’s adopted brother, Hunter, has taken control of the Hatut Zeraze and is using his secret police force to keep T’Challa in exile. If T’Challa doesn’t come home, he can’t continue his plan to open Wakanda, which Hunter blames for their father’s death. But T’Challa now knows just how much the rest of the world needs them — and just what kind of king he wants to be. Follow the new origin story by New York Times best-selling author Tochi Onyebuchi and artist Fran Galán.
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Its not a bad book. It's just... Why though? We literally had a origin story told in Rise. No one looked particularly bad but nothing really happened either. Well there was hints of Storm trash talking with the "Typical Wakandan" line, though I guess T'Challa countered that. Still it was a fine issue. Nothing groundbreaking or new
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BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS #4 (of 4)
TOCHI ONYEBUCHI (W)
Setor Fiadzigbey (A)
Cover by Jahnoy Lindsay
VARIANT COVER BY Juni Ba
BLACK HISTORY MONTH VARIANT
COVER BY JOSHUA "SWAY" SWABY
THE BLACK PANTHER TAKES ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR!
T'Challa has ascended the throne, but is still faced with the choice his father tried to make: keep Wakanda closed off and safe, or open up and offer aid to the rest of the world? As a test case, he invites the Fantastic Four to Wakanda, and ends up needing their help to battle a now-super-powered Klaw as he tries again to infiltrate the country and steal the it's precious vibranium for himself. Can the Black Panther defeat Klaw for good this time? Don't miss the finale of the new origin story by the New York Times bestselling team, Tochi Onyebuchi and Setor Fiadzigbey!
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To all my HEF family. You are greatly appreciated.
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Black Panther's New Marvel Origin May Depend on The Fantastic Four
Black Panther first appeared in a Fantastic Four comic, but now T'Challa's new origin means he needs the help of Marvel's First Family once again.
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Marvel's Black Panther has a long history with the Fantastic Four, beginning in Fantastic Four #52 back in 1961. The characters have interacted quite a lot since then, helping each other solve their problems and fight world-threatening villains. But in Black Panther: Legends #4, the King of Wakanda's very origin story may well be rewritten to incorporate Marvel's First Family.
The Black Panther Legends series rewrites T'Challa's entire origin by examining the young prince during his early days, before he ever ruled a country. The first issue chronicled a little-known story: that of the relationship between T'Challa and his adoptive brother Hunter. Hunter, who was white, was an anomaly in Wakanda and one of the very few people of non-African descent. Hunter knew he would never seat the throne of Wakanda - he knew he wasn't even in the line of succession - and he eventually became envious of his brother. Nevertheless, he vowed to be the greatest Wakandan of all time.
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Per Marvel's March solicitations, Black Panther Legends #4 will include the Fantastic Four once he ascends the throne. He's faced with the same choice that haunted his father: should he "...keep Wakanda closed off and safe, or open up and offer aid to the rest of the world? As a test case, he invites the Fantastic Four to Wakanda, and ends up needing their help to battle a now-super-powered Klaw as he tries again to infiltrate the country and steal the precious vibranium for himself." The Fantastic Four may be able to help him defeat Klaw - but they can also help T'Challa find a. balance between a warrior and a king.
The Fantastic Four and the Black Panther franchises are intertwined in comics history, and Marvel is thus using the opportunity to retell T'Challa's origin in a new and interesting manner. One can only wonder exactly how they'll fit into the new continuity, but readers will discover Black Panther and the Fantastic Four's fates for themselves when Black Panther Legends #4 releases in March 2022.
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-new-marvel-origin-fantastic-four-wakanda/
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Black Panther's New Marvel Origin May Depend on The Fantastic Four
Black Panther first appeared in a Fantastic Four comic, but now T'Challa's new origin means he needs the help of Marvel's First Family once again.
BY JOSHUA ISAAK
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Marvel's Black Panther has a long history with the Fantastic Four, beginning in Fantastic Four #52 back in 1961. The characters have interacted quite a lot since then, helping each other solve their problems and fight world-threatening villains. But in Black Panther: Legends #4, the King of Wakanda's very origin story may well be rewritten to incorporate Marvel's First Family.
The Black Panther Legends series rewrites T'Challa's entire origin by examining the young prince during his early days, before he ever ruled a country. The first issue chronicled a little-known story: that of the relationship between T'Challa and his adoptive brother Hunter. Hunter, who was white, was an anomaly in Wakanda and one of the very few people of non-African descent. Hunter knew he would never seat the throne of Wakanda - he knew he wasn't even in the line of succession - and he eventually became envious of his brother. Nevertheless, he vowed to be the greatest Wakandan of all time.
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Per Marvel's March solicitations, Black Panther Legends #4 will include the Fantastic Four once he ascends the throne. He's faced with the same choice that haunted his father: should he "...keep Wakanda closed off and safe, or open up and offer aid to the rest of the world? As a test case, he invites the Fantastic Four to Wakanda, and ends up needing their help to battle a now-super-powered Klaw as he tries again to infiltrate the country and steal the precious vibranium for himself." The Fantastic Four may be able to help him defeat Klaw - but they can also help T'Challa find a. balance between a warrior and a king.
The Fantastic Four and the Black Panther franchises are intertwined in comics history, and Marvel is thus using the opportunity to retell T'Challa's origin in a new and interesting manner. One can only wonder exactly how they'll fit into the new continuity, but readers will discover Black Panther and the Fantastic Four's fates for themselves when Black Panther Legends #4 releases in March 2022.
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I'm sure they mean well, but this seems entirely unnecessary and worse still? A complete insult to T'Challa as a character...much less Wakanda as a "character".
Somebody get Redjack right away to write away on this stuff the right way.
All Hail Redjack.
And where da heck is Evan Narcisse? He'd smash this stuff.
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Preview for number 3. Looks interesting.
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Preview for number 3. Looks interesting.
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Agreed but you forgot the pictures CvilleWakandan. I got your back, Team HEF!
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Written by: Tochi Onyebuchi
Penciled by: Fran Galan
Colored by: Ian Herring
Cover by: Jahnoy Lindsay
In shops February 2, 2022
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This team might be ready for the top spot. Because this is a good issue. The dialogue feels natural and the art while obtuse, makes Wakanda feel loved in like a nice living room. I don't think there is a wasted panel. One more issue to go.
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While I must admit to preferring this variant cover over the original as I find it more conducive to the narrative being told, this issue was a good read.
Fran Galan's art stylized Wakanda and its inhabitants in very grounded Afrakan aesthetic. This is one of my favorite iterations of Shuri. Young and enthusiastic; smart and introspective; insightful and observant; warm and loving to her brother whom she looks up to. This was also a very nice Hunter. He came off as furtive and menacing. A commanding man with a purpose.
Tochi Onyebuchi's T'Challa was what one expects to see in a young Black Panther. Stealthy and combat ready as his fight with the Hatute Zeraze clearly demonstrated. His battle with the Lion tribe champion showed us a T'Challa so skilled that a proven fighter couldn't even touch him. His final fight with his uncle was a master's class in strategy and tactic. Onyebuchi's T'Challa wins every time and that was refreshing to see.
I did like the the showing of the different tribes and the crocodile man. Wakanda should show off more original and exotic inhabitants unrelated to vibranium and mutation. However, at some point a creative is going to have restructure this "battle for the crown" event because as it stands and has stood, it makes very little sense.
This was an enjoyable read and I look forward to the next issue. I would like to see Tochi Onyebuchi and this team write some more adventures of young T'Challa the Black Panther.
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I'm going to sound like the pessimist here but...
Meh it was fine, but Rise did challenge day 1000% better and made T'Challa way more badass for what he accomplished. This was mediocre. They focused on some random Wakandan who's beating through the competition and then T'Challa comes in at the last minute. Very lame imo. The additions were sensible, bit o find just like the rest of the book, unnecessary. We have been told this story so many times already, hell rose came out just a few years ago and we are having this telling so soon after that. The only thing I am looking forward to that rise didn't cover was the FF meeting. I have Hopes got that.
It's a good (albeit unnecessary) issue
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I'm going to sound like the pessimist here but...
Meh it was fine, but Rise did challenge day 1000% better and made T'Challa way more badass for what he accomplished. This was mediocre. They focused on some random Wakandan who's beating through the competition and then T'Challa comes in at the last minute. Very lame imo. The additions were sensible, bit o find just like the rest of the book, unnecessary. We have been told this story so many times already, hell rose came out just a few years ago and we are having this telling so soon after that. The only thing I am looking forward to that rise didn't cover was the FF meeting. I have Hopes got that.
It's a good (albeit unnecessary) issue
Exactly. Exactly.
REDJACK should be writing the flagship BLACK PANTHER book
RIDLEY should be writing THE WORLD OF WAKANDA
NARCISSE should be writing THE ROYALS
End of.
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BLACK PANTHER #7
JOHN RIDLEY (W) • STEFANO LANDINI (A) • Cover by ALEX ROSS
The Hatut Zeraze have taken control of Wakanda, and with the Black Panther branded a traitor, the future of the nation is at a crossroads. To clear his name and protect his people from his own mistakes, T’Challa must reckon with his legacy — starting with the acknowledgement that leadership is only as strong as the faith of its following.
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Cool cover. The Hatut Zeraze have taken control of Wakanda... ok, smells like Hunter but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Ridley makes it Akili. All the women of Wakanda, huh? Are we to guess that the next Wakandan civil war will be a continuation of Coates' battle of the sexes? Coates' version of T'Challa the Black Panther is so dead and his ghost is killing Ridley's iteration.
This too is a courtesy of the Shadow.
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To keep the thread honest, we have this coming soon.
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For now I'm still going with the dead friend being the villain. I could see Tchalla having complained to him about how ineffective the govt was and he took that as a dog whistle to start this whole thing as a way of eliminating it. Because the new govt had nothing to do with the spy program so there is no reason to kick them out. But at least it looks like issue 6 will have a definitive mid story ending setting up a second half.
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BLACK PANTHER #7
JOHN RIDLEY (W) • STEFANO LANDINI (A) • Cover by ALEX ROSS
The Hatut Zeraze have taken control of Wakanda, and with the Black Panther branded a traitor, the future of the nation is at a crossroads. To clear his name and protect his people from his own mistakes, T’Challa must reckon with his legacy — starting with the acknowledgement that leadership is only as strong as the faith of its following.
courtesy of CBR's Mind of Shadow
Cool cover. The Hatut Zeraze have taken control of Wakanda... ok, smells like Hunter but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Ridley makes it Akili. All the women of Wakanda, huh? Are we to guess that the next Wakandan civil war will be a continuation of Coates' battle of the sexes? Coates' version of T'Challa the Black Panther is so dead and his ghost is killing Ridley's iteration.
This too is a courtesy of the Shadow.
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To keep the thread honest, we have this coming soon.
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At the CBR, We have talked about the irony that Ridley said his run was supposed to be about black male friendships and exploring positive showcases of Black men with emotions and supporting each other and then we get a cover with. T'Challa and all the OCs and non franchise characters of Wakanda save 2. 4/6 are massive isht talkers to T'Challa, and atleast 3, of the 6 have betrayed Wakanda. Yet they are front and center on the cover. As for Black males save T'Challa, we have one dead OC, and another OC who may be a traitor, and a 3td tier x character no one cares about... Brotherhood is now an all inclusive term
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Here is an update for the BP faithful.
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This is the Black Panther Legends #4 Black History Month Variant which I would think Marvel will still release.
The big news is we have a new release date though far removed from its original drop date. I think Marvel would have did better to release this comic book weekly during Black History Month or wait and release it weekly in November to coincide with Wakanda Forever.
THE BLACK PANTHER TAKES ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR!
T'Challa has ascended the throne, but is still faced with the choice his father tried to make: keep Wakanda closed off and safe, or open up and offer aid to the rest of the world? As a test case, he invites the Fantastic Four to Wakanda, and ends up needing their help to
battle a now-super-powered Klaw as he tries again to infiltrate the country and steal the it's precious vibranium for himself. Can the Black Panther defeat Klaw for good this time? Don't miss the finale of the new origin story by the New York Times bestselling team, Tochi Onyebuchi and Setor Fiadzigbey!
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EXCLUSIVE SNEAK PEEK: Preview of MARVEL COMICS BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS #4!
By Chad Burdette
Black Panther Legends, the story of T’Challa of Wakanda, and a new origin story of how he became the Black Panther by the New York Times bestselling team, Tochi Onyebuchi, and Setor Fiadzigbey! reaches its final issue this week in BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS #4.
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BLACK PANTHER LEGENDS #4
THE BLACK PANTHER TAKES ON THE FANTASTIC FOUR!
T’Challa has ascended the throne, but is still faced with the choice his father tried to make: keep Wakanda closed off and safe, or open up and offer aid to the rest of the world? As a test case, he invites the Fantastic Four to Wakanda, and ends up needing their help to battle a now-super-powered Klaw as he tries again to infiltrate the country and steal the it’s precious vibranium for himself. Can the Black Panther defeat Klaw for good this time?
Writer: Tochi Onyebuchi
Penciller(s): Enid Balam & Ramon F. Bachs
Inker(s): Roberto Poggi, Oren Junior & Ramon F. Bachs
Colorist: Ian Herring
Letterer: VC’s Joe Sabino
Editor(s): Lauren Bison
Associate Editor: Caitlin O’Connell
Consulting Editor: Wil Moss
Standard Cover Artist(s): Jahnoy Lindsay
Variant Cover Artist(s): Joshua ‘SWAY’ Swaby; Juni Ba
Format: 4 issue Limited Series – Final Issue
Page Count/Cover Price: 28 pages/$3.99
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Joshua ‘SWAY’ Swaby Black History Month Variant:
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Juni Ba Variant
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??? That preview is nonsensical. How would he NOT know whom the Wakandan Craft belongs to or that he sent for the FF? And not have any control over his people to prevent them from firing on the ship?
Also, kinda getting sick of the MCU synergy and trying to keep Shuri relevant by having her create his habit. We literally had Narcisse origin story and now we have another one and they can't seem to give her a lane that doesn't step in T'Challas shoes, even though it's not that difficult to do
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??? That preview is nonsensical. How would he NOT know whom the Wakandan Craft belongs to or that he sent for the FF? And not have any control over his people to prevent them from firing on the ship?
Also, kinda getting sick of the MCU synergy and trying to keep Shuri relevant by having her create his habit. We literally had Narcisse origin story and now we have another one and they can't seem to give her a lane that doesn't step in T'Challas shoes, even though it's not that difficult to do
I was thinking the same. It could be to solicit was not accurate or they made changes during the delay.
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??? That preview is nonsensical. How would he NOT know whom the Wakandan Craft belongs to or that he sent for the FF? And not have any control over his people to prevent them from firing on the ship?
Also, kinda getting sick of the MCU synergy and trying to keep Shuri relevant by having her create his habit. We literally had Narcisse origin story and now we have another one and they can't seem to give her a lane that doesn't step in T'Challas shoes, even though it's not that difficult to do
I was thinking the same. It could be to solicit was not accurate or they made changes during the delay.
It shows a few things,
Either T'Challa is an incompetent fool for not knowing who it is coming into Wakanda and not being able to assert is authority over his people for them to start shooting like panicked Green soldiers rather than with the trained control and calm of a warrior nation, plus ya know, the idiocy of possibly firing on wounded friendlies.
The other option (likely case by her reaction) SHURI and not T'Challa has invited the FF to Wakanda, which completely goes against the the origin of the meeting because T'Challa invite them to prove test to see if he was ready to take down Klaw.
Finally, this preview cheapens the encounter further by having the FF being attacked by the Wakandan people and T'Challa because now, instead of it showcasing Tchallas genius prep and systematically dismantling the FF or eliminating their strengths and leveling the playing field and outfighting them. Now instead this will only make the FF look good because they are going to be shown beating down Wakandans and the only reason they lose is due to being outnumbered and ambushed, or Shuri will stop the fight to say she invited them.
Overall, this looks pretty unimpressive for a retelling of the origi, and I would of much preferred they just left Lee and Kirby's version of they were going to half-ass it like this.
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In the original version Tchalla lost because an uninvited guest who traveled with the FF released the others after he captured them. His prep only worked if it went as intended, but this prequel has been good so far, so I'll wait to see how it plays out.
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In the original version Tchalla lost because an uninvited guest who traveled with the FF released the others after he captured them. His prep only worked if it went as intended, but this prequel has been good so far, so I'll wait to see how it plays out.
I know he lost but it was fine because he STILL took down the FF but it gave him a lesson in preparing for the unknown.
This version by Tochi had been more of a benefit for Hunter rather than T'Challa. And frankly it's unneeded and Narcisse version was superior, ESPECIALLY challenge day.
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It was a decent issue, but felt rushed. They should have given him two issues to let the story breath more. The FF being there became the least important part of the story.
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The first page was almost celebratory for T'Challa the Black Panther, the second was an attempt at narrative consistency by having T'Challa and Hunter discuss their differences. The third page... I was distracted by S'Yan's hair. Fourth page emphasizes T'Challa's naivete. From here on the historical rewrite begins.
Shuri can't stand on her own and Tochi Onyebuchi proves such by unnecessarily shoehorning into the Black Panther's epic origin. She designs a new BP costume. Shuri invites the Fantastic Four?!? She single handedly eliminated T'Challa's strategic and tactical prowess, not to mention martial and combative skills.
T'Challa takes down Ben and Sue only because he's wearing the new Shuri Stelfreeze habit. He tackles Johnny and redirects a flame blast at Reed. Wakanda was taken completely unaware and looked feeble. T'Challa isn't shown as being Reed's scientific peer. Klaw's attack would have been closer to accurate but Onyebuchi had to force Okoye into the mix.
Okoye even saves T'Challa and he returns the favor courtesy of the new Shuri Stelfreeze habit. A habit composed of vibranium and Reed Richards' patent pending unstable molecules. It ends with where it began, with T'Challa running behind Hunter.
One of the few things Coates did that had some potential for use was giving Shuri a potential skill and power set that could be distinguished from those of T'Challa. The editors and writers need to focuson that and leave T'Challa the Black Panther's history alone.
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Watch this to cleanse your palate.
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I don't think Shuris costume is the reason he beat FF. He didn't act surprised when he redirected Ben's punch like he did with Klaws' sound monster.
I think this showed his martial and strategic skills better than the original. In the original he had time to plan and prep to fight the FF. Here he had to do it on the fly.
I think he did show he was Reeds' peer, just not a science geek like he is.
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In the original version Tchalla lost because an uninvited guest who traveled with the FF released the others after he captured them. His prep only worked if it went as intended, but this prequel has been good so far, so I'll wait to see how it plays out.
I know he lost but it was fine because he STILL took down the FF but it gave him a lesson in preparing for the unknown.
This version by Tochi had been more of a benefit for Hunter rather than T'Challa. And frankly it's unneeded and Narcisse version was superior, ESPECIALLY challenge day.
I read the Captain America prequel story, co-written by Tochi, that serves as a jumping on point for Tochi's Falcon Captain series as well as a separate Rogers' Captain America series. Spoiler (click to reveal)
At the end of the story, Hunter makes an appearance, so I imagine that he's been so prominent in this story as an reintroduction and set up for Toch's Falcon series. Also, Wakanda will play a role in the Falcon Captain series too.
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In the original version Tchalla lost because an uninvited guest who traveled with the FF released the others after he captured them. His prep only worked if it went as intended, but this prequel has been good so far, so I'll wait to see how it plays out.
I know he lost but it was fine because he STILL took down the FF but it gave him a lesson in preparing for the unknown.
This version by Tochi had been more of a benefit for Hunter rather than T'Challa. And frankly it's unneeded and Narcisse version was superior, ESPECIALLY challenge day.
I read the Captain America prequel story, co-written by Tochi, that serves as a jumping on point for Tochi's Falcon Captain series as well as a separate Rogers' Captain America series. Spoiler (click to reveal)
At the end of the story, Hunter makes an appearance, so I imagine that he's been so prominent in this story as an reintroduction and set up for Toch's Falcon series. Also, Wakanda will play a role in the Falcon Captain series too.
I saw that and added it to my pull list.
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In the original version Tchalla lost because an uninvited guest who traveled with the FF released the others after he captured them. His prep only worked if it went as intended, but this prequel has been good so far, so I'll wait to see how it plays out.
I know he lost but it was fine because he STILL took down the FF but it gave him a lesson in preparing for the unknown.
This version by Tochi had been more of a benefit for Hunter rather than T'Challa. And frankly it's unneeded and Narcisse version was superior, ESPECIALLY challenge day.
I read the Captain America prequel story, co-written by Tochi, that serves as a jumping on point for Tochi's Falcon Captain series as well as a separate Rogers' Captain America series. Spoiler (click to reveal)
At the end of the story, Hunter makes an appearance, so I imagine that he's been so prominent in this story as an reintroduction and set up for Toch's Falcon series. Also, Wakanda will play a role in the Falcon Captain series too.
Don't bother, the whole thing is a dumpster fire. ESPECIALLY todays final issue. All Marvel is doing is making Shuri more and more unlikable. Atleast this book isn't canon otherwise it would piss off the entire BP fan base
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The mini series could have been a classic if they only remembered to center on T'Challa and keep him grounded in his comic book history.
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I don't think Shuris costume is the reason he beat FF. He didn't act surprised when he redirected Ben's punch like he did with Klaws' sound monster.
I think this showed his martial and strategic skills better than the original. In the original he had time to plan and prep to fight the FF. Here he had to do it on the fly.
I think he did show he was Reeds' peer, just not a science geek like he is.
In the original T'Challa defeated the FF, in Legends he didn't beat the FF as they were all standing while he was running toward them before Shuri's intervention. It was Shuri's costume's ability to absorb kinectic energy that used Grimm's strength against him and knocked down the Invisible Woman. By on panel evidence it was Shuri's suit that was fire proof thus allowing T'Challa to grab Johnny Storm.
On the fly?!? The FF had whatever you want to call that national security response by the short hairs from jump.
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The original showed T'Challa the Black Panther's martial and strategic skills by having him dodging Reed's punch and out maneuvering the Human Torch. He went blow for blow with the Thing and was able to track Sue by her scent and was fast enough to to get inside her personal forcefield before she could seal it.
On the fly?!? T'Challa steamed up Reed by redirecting the Torch's flame throw. Repelling the Thing was a definite result of Shuri's new suit. The same holds true for his knocking down Sue. T'Challa's action with them was an entire page while the original dedicated several.
Taking the time to plan and prep for a fight are the defining traits of the Black Panther. This was evident from his very first introduction by Lee and Kirby, why be satisfied by its removal?
Reeds' peer?!? T'Challa read a paper on what Reed discovered and what Shuri was able to put to practical use.
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But Shuri didn't press the button to makes it redirect energy and I doubt it just does it on it's own. That would be reckless. I'd say it's the equivalent to the help he received in the original.
Any security errors should be placed at Uncle S'Yans feet. Tchalla is the incoming administration. He weakened the Things strength twice in order to fight him. And he defeated Johnny with tech and security assisted by shooting energy beams at them to force them to separate. The only one he got a victory over using his own skills is Sue, but the gas used to knock her out isn't. And a normal human was able to knock out Wakandan security and revive the team before Tchalla could complete the victory.
There is another line of dialogue at the dinner table where he says he and Shuri would debate some theories for hours.
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It was a disappointment. Could of been a very good way to showcase T'Challas genius yet it felt like it was Less about T'Challa the black panther and more about team Wakanda.
Sometimes it's nice to see the title character doing main character things. I want to read about T'Challa strategizing about now to beat the FF, creating his habit, and defeating Klaw. Not worrying if Hunter likes him, having others create his habit and Sharing panel space not just with the FF (this is fine as they are the guests) but Shuri hunter and Okoye when frankly? They are irrelevant and should of stayed in the background
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It was a disappointment. Could of been a very good way to showcase T'Challas genius yet it felt like it was Less about T'Challa the black panther and more about team Wakanda.
Sometimes it's nice to see the title character doing main character things. I want to read about T'Challa strategizing about now to beat the FF, creating his habit, and defeating Klaw. Not worrying if Hunter likes him, having others create his habit and Sharing panel space not just with the FF (this is fine as they are the guests) but Shuri hunter and Okoye when frankly? They are irrelevant and should of stayed in the background
That is because without a titular actual lead character as T'Challa in the BLACK PANTHER movie series and the MCU as a whole? Feige has decided to go with TEAM T'CHALLA [ MEANING MOSTLY "TEAM STRONG BLACK WOMEN WHO ARE LESS THREATENING TO WHITE MEN THAN BLACK MEN LIKE T'CHALLA ARE" ] in every possible Black Panther iteration wherein they can replace T'Challa. The ramifications of this decision making is spilling down to the 616 BP, as well.
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They are definitely trying hard. But the ONLY Silver lining is that No one on the franchise sells. Only T'Challa can sell. They have tried and failed multiple times to push Shuri, Okoye, MA etc. And they will continue to fail because they want to spin off but didn't bother to actually develop these characters and assumed that the MCU versions would grab people when all this done in Shuris case is make her a worse character that is dragging down T'Challa
Unfortunately this does fall at the feet of Hudlin because he didn't take Shuris Creation further than ", Back up their and replacement for T'Challa Incase he dies". And left her a blank slate that was just inferior T'Challa.she had no Lane to occupy so now we are getting teen Shuri who still can't sell because moon girl does it better and has a dinosaur.
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This is the kind of research and strategic planning that should have been alluded to in Legends.
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Marvel Anatomy: A Study of the Superhuman
Fans and enthusiasts of the Black Panther can only wait for the forthcoming renaissance that will put T'Challa the Black Panther in his proper context.
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They are definitely trying hard. But the ONLY Silver lining is that No one on the franchise sells. Only T'Challa can sell. They have tried and failed multiple times to push Shuri, Okoye, MA etc. And they will continue to fail because they want to spin off but didn't bother to actually develop these characters and assumed that the MCU versions would grab people when all this done in Shuris case is make her a worse character that is dragging down T'Challa
Unfortunately this does fall at the feet of Hudlin because he didn't take Shuris Creation further than ", Back up their and replacement for T'Challa Incase he dies". And left her a blank slate that was just inferior T'Challa.she had no Lane to occupy so now we are getting teen Shuri who still can't sell because moon girl does it better and has a dinosaur.
This is the kind of research and strategic planning that should have been alluded to in Legends.
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Marvel Anatomy: A Study of the Superhuman
Fans and enthusiasts of the Black Panther can only wait for the forthcoming renaissance that will put T'Challa the Black Panther in his proper context.
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I think you're definitely right to an extent with the above. I do agree with your comment that RH didn't develop Shuri enough [ although there are flashes of a significant base for Shuri in RH's spare prose style ]. Remember that he started to delve into her more in the very arc that saw T'Challa lock horns with Killmonger in RH's book? By that time, the art quality had dropped dramatically, but the introduction of Killmonger to RH's book definitely made me and most of us...even Jenn when she was here [ where IS Jenn nowadays, anyway? ] stand up. His run on BP was shut down just as he was "starting to begin" to more substantively address that very matter with SHURI.
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I don't think that Shuri, however, hasn't been given enough material to truly build from. Extracting the good parts of Maberry's run and Hickman's run regarding Shuri, combining these with the foundation laid by RH, and...dare I say it?...the ACTUALLY GOOD WORK done on aspects of Shuri by TurnCoates [ his whole idea of "The Ancient Future" was DOPE, and I wrote so right here on HEF when I became aware of it...but of course, he screwed it up by misappropriating character traits of T'Challa's and exporting them to SHURI and several other characters, including his "original" characters who truly have no legit reason to exist ] and we really have something to build from.
And bruh. You are madd dead on correct with Lunella. I really think she should get pushed a LOT more than she is. I was SO GLAD to see Jason Aaron include her in his AVENGERS run. And? I'm hoping that Shuri, Riri and Lunella can form a utatu...a "trinity"...of sorts. A quintuple thing might include Squirrel Girl and Valeria Richards.
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As I continue to research all things Black Panther I came across some interesting articles. I thought not only would they make interesting reading but needed archival preservation here at the HEF.
EDITS and EXERTS taken from
The Black Panther: A Comic Book History
By Vernon Mitchell, Jr., Curator of Popular American Arts on 23 May 2018 in Dowd Modern Graphic History Library, Special Collections, What's New
The late 1960s was a tumultuous time for America both domestically and abroad. President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act into law on August 6, 1965, which banned discriminating voting policies, just five days later, riots broke out in Watts, a section of Los Angeles, centered around police brutality toward African Americans. Times were indeed tense, and the issues of race were at the forefront. The fires that burned in Southern California were not solely about one incident per se, but a response to continued systematic oppression.
The larger implications of socio-economic inequality were now part of a larger critique of what America was and was not. This was the backdrop that Marvel Comics’ Stan Lee and Jack Kirby used to create their new character, Black Panther. The character’s alter ego, King T’Challa, was ruler of the fictional African kingdom of Wakanda. He was the first black superhero to debut in American comic books.
Originally conceived of as the “Coal Tiger,” Black Panther cannot be separated from the times in which he burst onto the comic book scene in Fantastic Four #52 in July of 1966. Prior to the release of the comic, Lee and Kirby, according to writer Sean Howe, were very much aware and influenced by an article in The New York Times that discussed the formation of the Lowndes Country Freedom Organization (LCFO), which had as their emblem a black panther. Howe attributed that article as the impetus for changing the name of the character that Lee and Kirby had been working on for months.
The media referred to the LCFO as “The Black Panther Party,” after its formation in 1965 under the direction of Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) field secretary, Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Ture). Carmichael believed that African Americans’ political power resided in the will and political self determination of local people.
full article
https://library.wustl.edu/the-black-panther-a-comic-book-history/
First Serial: Marvel Comics, The Untold Story
Drugs, feminism, and blaxploitation superheroes — the moment when Marvel changed forever
by SEAN HOWE ON OCTOBER 4, 2012
In the issue of The Fantastic Four #119, Marvel briefly tried to put distance between the Black Panther and his politically charged namesakes by renaming him Black Leopard. “I neither condemn nor condone those who have taken up the name,” T’Challa told the Thing, in a carefully measured bit of expository dialogue.
full article
https://grantland.com/features/an-excerpt-sean-howe-marvel-comics-untold-story/
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How ‘Coal Tiger’ Became ‘Black Panther’
The newest addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe has always been tied to Black Arts Movement.
BY JONITA DAVIS / FEBRUARY 12, 2018
The energy and imagery of the mid-1960s saturated the creative minds looking for inspiration, including Marvel artist and art editor Jack Kirby.
Sean Howe’s book Marvel Comics: The Untold Story details that time leading up to Black Panther’s creation. Stan Lee was managing the team of artists and writers, who were actively competing with DC comics for comics sales. According to Howe, Stan Lee heard of the upcoming release of a line of comics that was a gamechanger for DC. Marvel had nothing new to compete. Howe quoted Kirby, “I came in one day,” said Kirby, “and Stan said, ‘Martin says we have to add more books.’ They were afraid Al Harvey, who had pretty good distribution, was going to crowd them off the stands.” Kirby and the rest of the team went to work looking for new lines and characters.
They tapped a little history by researching ancient cultures of Mexico and Africa. They also dug deeper into the sci-fi lore that was becoming popular at the time. The atmosphere of the time greatly influenced the Marvel creatives as well. The result of their hard work was a few new characters are still famous today—The Inhumans—and a black superhero, who lead an uncolonized African nation, and used the cutting edge of futuristic weaponry was born. His name was…Coal Tiger.
Kirby presented the character to Lee, and Lee decided not to push the black hero or the Inhumans at that time. They waited to introduce their new black character with an already popular line of white characters, the Fantastic Four, in issue #52, which hit stands July 1966. The renamed the Coal Tiger, Black Panther, and gave him a makeover for the gig. It would be another 8 years before Lee launched a solo Black Panther comic series Jungle Action.
Meanwhile, the Black Arts Movement, which was started in 1965 by poet Imamu Amiri Baraka, was creating a national interest in black culture. BAM also stimulated a pride in the black community that was manifest in hair (afros and braids), clothing (dashikis and Afrocentric prints), beauty. James Brown’s “Say It Loud—I’m Black and I’m Proud” was like an anthem. This pride carried the community forward.
By 1973, the movement was in full swing and black culture was dominating pop culture, and even film. Blaxploitation movies that centered black characters with black problems were available. Despite their campiness and stereotyping fails, the films were the first time the nation saw black people onscreen and in the forefront of the narrative.
The celebration of black culture that the Black Panther character’s solo comic debuted it did not last, but it didn’t fade away either. The door was open just a bit for black creatives, who would push it open in the decades to come, leading to the Black Panther film.
the movie about Black Panther went through some false starts just as the comic did. In addition, both character debuts were attempted using the popular Marvel characters at the time. The solo release came later, after the “soft launch” of the black superhero standing alongside his beloved white counterparts. Also, like his debut timeline, the film version launches amidst a mainstream appreciation of black culture, with an underlying struggle with racism. That struggle is fueling activism and feeding the Black community’s resurgence of Black pride.
The soft launch before the solo debut is one curiosity to note. Although the elapsed time differed, they did occur. The black superhero had to be introduced by beloved white characters before he could come out alone. There may have been causing for such a thing in the 1960s when there had been little to no marketing of blackness to the public. Then, a black character was a significant risk, especially one that shares the name of a group that media and government were characterizing as militant and anti-White. Lee may not have wanted to gamble. This reason only holds until you considered the list of the many superheroes that Lee debuted solo without a soft launch. Even the Marvel film franchise released Spiderman, Hulk, and a few other superheroes in solo films without a soft launch. Both times, they took a gamble on the white superhero, but not Black Panther.
These and other curiosities lead to the conclusion that the Lee and Marvel, and also the Marvel studios today were priming the public for the black hero. They saw that the possibilities when Black culture started seeping into the mainstream. A soft launch would “test the waters” and see if the public could handle such a character. This seems plausible until you consider that prior to the solo debut of the character both times, the black community was calling for representation in pop culture. In the past few decades, the outcry for more representation in the film has been a topic of discussion and studies. They started well before the current film iteration was conceived.
In fact, when Black Panther’s solo comic appeared in 1973, it was so popular that Luke Cage followed. Similarly, the soft launch of Black Panther was followed by a Luke Cage series on the small screen that was a hit for Netflix streaming service. Once the public was given the Black Superhero, they eagerly sought out more, making the next one a hit out of the gate.
It’s obvious that the problem is not the public. It’s the industries. Both Marvel Comics back then and the MCU now are run by white men who do not want to gamble on blackness until they are sure that they can profit. They wait until the movement is starting, the pride is forming, and the creativity is arising in other areas before “dipping a toe in” for a soft launch. Once that happens, once the profitability of the character is recognized, then they ride in like abolitionists with bolt cutters to open the gates to creative works and opportunities. Everyone is too swept up in the chaos to see that the ones holding the bolt cutters were also the ones holding the gates closed before.
This was taken from a thread I started two years ago.
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I found this article two days ago.
The Black Panther(s), the Coal Tiger, and US
Posted by Ron Edwards
BONUS POST: Thanks to Larry Lade and his March pledge at the Doctor Xaos Patreon! All you comics nuts probably already know how Lee and Kirby were developing an African black character called the Coal Tiger in early 1966, then changed the name to the Black Panther.
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You might not know that the original name Coal Tiger wasn’t neutral by a long shot, as at the time, it was the media term for post-colonial African nations. The relevant name here is Patrice Lumumba, leader of resistance against the Belgian colonial government, author of Dawn in the Heart of Africa, important participant at the All-African People’s Conference in 1958, advocate for nationalizing the resources of the Congo Basin, then briefly the first prime minister of the Republic of the Congo in 1961. He was soon ousted in a military coup backed by the USA and Belgium, imprisoned, and executed. The nation – called Zaire from 1971 to 1997 – was brutalized for thirty years thereafter by a right-wing military dictatorship presided over (and thieved shamelessly) by Robert Mobutu, who makes a nice matched set with Ferdinand Marcos, Augusto Pinochet, and Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier.
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There’s considerably more of Lumumba in T’Challa than anyone has ever mentioned, particularly his erudition and the idea of a resource-rich African nation entirely free from colonialism, which controls and develops its own technologies. Lumumba’s legacy spoke directly to both African heritage and economic national empowerment. This is Third Way, Non-Aligned Movement material again: the most frightening thing the U.S. political establishment had ever seen, outside the comfortable bipolar framework that had been cemented in 1948-1952.
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An American organization you might not have heard of was US, or the US Organization, written in capitals but not an acronym, founded in southern Calfornia in 1965 by Ron Everett, who changed his name to Ron Karenga, with the title “Maulana.” It was a pan-African movement seeking to recover and re-synthesize African traditions, using Greek-American or Italian-American pride as a model (that’s my example; these were not explicitly named by US). Although sometimes called “separatist,” and directly inspired by many African nationalist leaders’ writings, the idea was to conduct traditions and community activities in an ethnically-rich way, not to move away. The group is also the originator of Kwanzaa and a number of other cultural terms, some widely adopted.
You might have noticed that in the original Star Trek, Lt. Uhura speaks Swahili (“The Man Trap”). That was the language promoted in the U.S. by US, and thus most linked to the concept of black pride and African heritage in the public eye. The episode was filmed in that same summer of 1966. The character’s name is almost certainly based on another US holiday, Uhuru Day, first celebrated early that same year by US.
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The political term “black panther” originated with the Lowndes County Freedom Organization, which emerged from the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee in late 1965 and was associated with founding member Stokely Carmichael’s book Black Power (1966). The Mississippi group used the black panther as its logo, but the image and term was swiftly picked up by the media in 1966 and was then co-opted by a number of organizations, including two in California, one in Chicago, and one in New York City. But before that, the comics character was introduced: Lee or someone there picked it up from the LCFO logo and media labeling just like others did, assigned it to the Coal Tiger design, and the character appeared in The Fantastic Four a few months before the Oakland organization went public. Considering that Mobutu named himself president-for-life at that time and embarked on a notorious, ongoing reign of butchery, and also that Lumumba’s name was a rallying cry for militant, anti-colonial revolt throughout Africa, it strikes me that in mid-1966, “Black Panther” might even have been chosen as the less threatening name over Coal Tiger.
For some perspective on the timing, Donald Warden founded the Afro-American Association in 1962; Malcolm X broke with the Nation of Islam in March 1964; the first and rather weak Civil Rights Act was passed in July 1964; Malcolm X was shot and killed in February 1965; the Selma-to-Montgomery marches took place in March 1965; the Voting Rights Act and the Watts Riots were almost simultaneous in August 1965; * the events I’m talking about occur here *; Martin Luther King was shot and killed in April, 1968, not long after allying with Robert F. Kennedy against the Vietnam War; Kennedy was shot and killed in June, 1968; Fred Hampton, leader of the Chicago Panthers and linchpin organizer among working-class white, black, and Puerto Rican grassroots groups, was shot and killed by police in 1969.
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The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense, founded by Huey Newton in Oakland, became the most nationally prominent and formed alliances with the other groups using the name; when Eldridge Cleaver was released from prison in 1968 he accepted Newton’s offer of the position of Minister of Information and took leadership of the New York group. (At the time of this writing, the LCFO Wikipedia entry wrongly calls it the BPP’s “predecessor.”)
The BPP and US began with some accord (they celebrated Uhuru Day together in 1967), but had little in common. Newton’s view was refined Leftist to the core. He applied Franz Fanon’s The Wretched of the Earth to the disenfranchised under-class (Marx’s lumpenproletariat), to which most American black people were relegated – he considered it all to be a form of colonization and emphasized combating discrimination – especially police harassment – as a form of modern class struggle. Contrary to popular belief, blackness as a cultural identity was not a Panther priority, and they built alliances across ethnic lines and within community structures (e.g. food programs at schools). So ideologically, the BPP and US differed greatly, and as it turned out, the FBI’s CoIntelPro was on the job, sabotaging communications between the leaders and according to some, were the real instigators of a Panthers-US gunfight on the UCLA campus in 1969.
The story moves on from there and although US may seem minor compared to the political impact and media presence of the Panthers, quite a lot of its ideas have persisted in black activism and community efforts nationwide. My kids celebrate Kwanzaa in school. Karenga is a university professor and an influential voice, as are many US alumni.
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So to recap, well before the above-mentioned conflicts. the political context for the character’s creation is not the BPP at all, but the coal tiger nations and the US Organization, which in mid-1966 was the most visible new black activist group. It must have been visible to Lee or Kirby or both. T’Challa, Prince of Wakanda, is so spot-on with US ideals of Africa’s heroic past and potential, it’s amazing they hadn’t already started a comic book of their own starring a guy like him. That another group soon used the name “Black Panther” and became more publicly visible is history’s little joke to obscure the content in retrospect.
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Again, my take is that this is Lee’s admirable eye for genuinely trenchant politics, and Kirby’s lightning-bolt insight that comics are journalism, all of which deserves more appreciation. The content is more spot-on than anything Life Magazine was portraying, much more challenging to the white mainstream. T’Challa could have been another “Willie” or “Robbie,” the other first named black characters at Marvel, probably because Willie Mays and Jackie Robinson were the two most famous non-threatening but non-servile black people known to white Americans (to be fair, they did threaten a lot of people, heroically so, but not like King or Malcolm X did; also to be fair, Joe/”Robbie” Robertson, introduced a bit later, turned out to be a pretty good character). Or he could have been a waif “rescued” from the colonial stereotype of unspeakably primitive life In Darkest Africa and fully assimilated into Europe or the U.S. Or he could have been a cosmic whackadoo like Galactus or the Watcher, good enough to check off the “black character” box but without any difficulties pertaining to his possible human presence.
The modern accounts I’m reading describe Lee as merely tapping into hip memes with his political content, and as playing right and left against one another, but I don’t think so – you can’t get the 1966 T’Challa without being tuned in better than that, and finding ideals of justifiable pride and existing power to portray that were decidedly not mainstream or soft/centrist liberal white. In foreign policy, the “coal tiger” phenomenon was swiftly cast as creeping global communism, and Mobutu and the government of South Africa were our bold heroes of freedom (if a bit “authoritarian” … you do realize this is sarcasm, I hope). Domestically, the term Black Power was flatly radical in both North and South, as it explicitly broke with the northern-white-friendly “non-violent” terminology from the SNCC. US, like the BPP and the Deacons for Defense, went armed (more accurately, without pretending otherwise). Don’t let all the pretty legislation fool you – this is post-Watts, and the LBJ administration’s support for civil rights stopped with the northern white vote. It had blood in its eye toward any but the most mild and white-led effort. Black Power, for black people, meant being spied on, being beaten, going to prison, and getting murdered. Invoking it in pop media, just a hair short of naming it outright, wasn’t appropriation; it was solidarity.
Was the Black Panther a token? And here I mean the term not as a sole nonwhite face, which he couldn’t help but be, but a fake inclusion intended to smooth things over. Not to be too polite about it, was he a Tom? I don’t think so. The LCFO, US Organization, and BPP had something important in common: neither asking for favors nor settling for a weak win by conceding first. T’Challa wasn’t doing any of that either. He didn’t need redeeming, rescuing, salvaging, uplifting, or educating. This was not a nice-and-comfy center statement in 1966; if you put a black guy as a national leader, a mysterious presence, a sophisticated African, and a decided ass-kicker in there, it wasn’t playing to the gallery. One may make the case that Wakanda is Latveria without the villainy, and arguably, therefore scarier to the reading audience. It means relevance, not in the shallow sense, but being actually relevant.
The question then becomes, how black was T’Challa going to be? The Coal Tiger seems like a remarkably strong, gutsy start. On the published pages, though, there was apparently some early stuttering, maybe that’s why there were two covers, one which displayed his skin color and one which didn’t, and see also this contrast:
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To my eyes, the face-reveal at the end of #52 shows signs of last-minute revisions and is a bit hard to interpret.
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But in #53, his look is bold, individual, and uncompromised.
Marvel’s history with the issue started strong, but is also full of steps and missteps. In 1969, they stumbled hard with the Falcon who even had a pet hawk if you didn’t grasp the whole Indian-sidekick thing on the first try. Thomas – widely perceived as more political than Lee – was embarrassingly ham-fisted in writing the Panther as a token in the Avengers. Fortunately, not too much later, the Panther’s Rage would come along, as well as another fellow to address the American urban black hero issue. Bet on some posting about these in days to come.
A link:
Some thoughts on more recent affairs at the Hudline Entertainment forum
https://adeptpress.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/the-black-panthers-the-coal-tiger-and-us/
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FROM THIS...
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TO THAT?!?
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Gone are the days of regal bearing...
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supplanted by usurpation's brutality.
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Ask a fan, enthusiast or a casual which they prefer. Then ask why they think T'Challa the Black Panther is being depicted by Ridley and company in such a manner.
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Courtesy of CBR's Redjack
1. Evan and I could make the franchise a showpiece.
2. There comes a point where there's almost zero chance my pitches for the character(s) would get anywhere near what the company wants for them, regardless of sales. We may be past that point. I have no interest in furthering the mythology as it's progressed over the last few years and my Big Pitch, without being an attack on any of that work (it's not. I never attack the prior writers for doing with their ideas exactly what i would do with mine if i was driving) would still be too far away from they seem wot want for T'Challa and Wakanda.
3. If the THOR book suddenly stopped being about Thor and focused instead on all the supporting characters who live in Asgard, the audience would riot, no matter how well-written or drawn.
4. I don't think it's possible now for ANY Black Panther run to exist without massive controversy. Trust me. if MARVEL called me tomorrow and said, "Green Light, brother, do anything you need to do with the title." THE INSTANT that became news, the knives would come out ,calling me every name in the book before anyone had read one word.
I don't actually care about that chatter (as if) but that's what would happen. And my run would absolutely remove everything I don't like about the last few years– in-story, without hand waves. Do we really think Marvel is signing up for that? Doubt it. Highly.
You can tell from my writing of the character what I think about him and his supporting cast. There actually is a way to have the cake and eat it vis a vis T'Challa and Shuri and all that. It's sitting right there in the existing text if they want to connect those dots. But the folks who own it have to want to and they'd need to give me at least two years to make it go.
WILDLY unlikely.
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This is why Ridley needs to be off the book. T'Challa has, from day one, consistently whooped the HZ. Ewing and JA had T'Challa beating on Hulk, swordmaster, Namor, Moon Knight, space bugs, vampires, winter guard, flash, Batman,and Superman analogues etc etc. And Ridley is having him struggle against redshirt Wakandans, OC pet characters and needing to be saved by Storm, along with that HORRENDOUS ooc dialogue. Dude needs to be gone
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Courtesy of CBR's Redjack
1. Evan and I could make the franchise a showpiece.
2. There comes a point where there's almost zero chance my pitches for the character(s) would get anywhere near what the company wants for them, regardless of sales. We may be past that point. I have no interest in furthering the mythology as it's progressed over the last few years and my Big Pitch, without being an attack on any of that work (it's not. I never attack the prior writers for doing with their ideas exactly what i would do with mine if i was driving) would still be too far away from they seem wot want for T'Challa and Wakanda.
3. If the THOR book suddenly stopped being about Thor and focused instead on all the supporting characters who live in Asgard, the audience would riot, no matter how well-written or drawn.
4. I don't think it's possible now for ANY Black Panther run to exist without massive controversy. Trust me. if MARVEL called me tomorrow and said, "Green Light, brother, do anything you need to do with the title." THE INSTANT that became news, the knives would come out ,calling me every name in the book before anyone had read one word.
I don't actually care about that chatter (as if) but that's what would happen. And my run would absolutely remove everything I don't like about the last few years– in-story, without hand waves. Do we really think Marvel is signing up for that? Doubt it. Highly.
You can tell from my writing of the character what I think about him and his supporting cast. There actually is a way to have the cake and eat it vis a vis T'Challa and Shuri and all that. It's sitting right there in the existing text if they want to connect those dots. But the folks who own it have to want to and they'd need to give me at least two years to make it go.
WILDLY unlikely.
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First? ALL HAIL REDJACK AND EVAN. These are the real "in comics industry NOW" bruthas who'll actually do not only T'Challa but any character...especially a character from Alkebulan miscalled "Africa" or "Afrika" [ the term "Afrika" is a ROMAN term, meaning: "land of the Afri {people}", etc ] With this comment above...where did he post this comment?..he just got me onboard whatever he writes, wherever he goes.
I'm done with Marvel comics. I don't see them doing us right in no kinda way, shape, or form. And that's double unacceptable, because not only are RJ and EN [ Evan Narcisse ] out there {and there seems to be some serious iffyness in Evan from some things one of the OG HEFfas said he stated about BP} was out there, until DC swooped him up for the new BLACK ADAM series [ which I'm definitely following! I loved his Deathstroke ].
How is it that twice IN A ROW now...Coates and Ridley...they bring in bruthas with seemingly impeccable credentials, and they both come in and make T'Challa into T'Chumpa, Mayor of Suckaville [ Coates ] and T'Challa, Citizen of Suckaville [ Ridley ]? When Aaron, Ewing, etc have absolutely kilt it like Scottish man skirts...FOR YEARS, FROM ISSUE #1 FORWARD... with T'Challa?
Answer: they're trying to "misappropriate", redirect and neuter both T'Challa AND Wakanda.
With R to the H? CJP? Coogler? T'Challa and Wakanda actually directly engaged issues from our Alkebulan perspective. Were proud of our Alkebulan heritage, and both introduced and resolved thorny issues which have a perpetual racial and racist dynamic due to nonAlkebulan Racist Feudalists doing what they do.
Neither Aaron or Ewing approached these subjects at all. And that's why their depictions are very dope, desirable...but they're writing "Panther" . Anyone can be under the Panther mask of the admirable, well written, potent character they write; and I definitely feel that such was purposeful. How can we ask Aaron and Ewing to write from a Alkebulan perspective; a perspective they can never have?
The bruthas? Write BLACK PANTHER. Not just Panther. And Redjack? Was absolutely magnificent. With him? We'd have it ALL. The EVERYTHING we love, the BLACK PANTHER, not "just" a fly dope "Panther". Aaaand? We'd have the sales. Redjack? With the proper art support and company push? Would run numbers we haven't seen since R to the H.
But for LONGER, because the comic book would get a strong bounce from the MCU release of BP and the subsequent Disney+ and MCU ventures [ any Okoye or Dora Milaje or Shuri stuff, any AVENGERS stuff, any MIDNIGHT SONS stuff, etc ]. That means? Redjack would have broken ALL the records, and set up all bold face like the dominating presence of T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER...
...right as the homegrown terrorists in this country and White Civilization worldwide are taking a propagandized powered hard Right turn, which is all designed to keep the corrupt creatures currently in power? Perpetually in power. And Disney? Is in this up to its NECK. Presenting the devastatingly dope, multifaction uniting BLACK PANTHER AND WAKANDA would thoroughly undermine or outright obliterate a significant facet of their hyperpowered propaganda machine visavis the younger generation. The death blow to their position of power and their further aspirations is the unification of good people across racial and economic lines into a single force recognizing that the entire 1%...all of them...are existential threats to humanity, this planet, and wherever they may roam off planet. All of them. All. Of. Them. Need be exterminated without mercy and with the most extreme prejudice possible.
MLK was heading toward this unified multiracial, multieconomic class unity with his POOR PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN. That's why they killed him.
T'Challa is far more threatening. He's not asking anyone for anyone, he overwhelms opposition. Effortlessly. While not only uniting groups like MLK did, but also putting an invincible Black male as the head of the movement we all need. These optics? Will lift the profile of bruthas worldwide, annealing the fractures in many of our family units and propelling many and plenty T'Challa analogues in real life. This reality will reverse all this softie sucka boy image that too many of us see when we see images of Alkebulan men in media. We will speedily take control of and celebrate our images of real masculinity without allowing outside or weaker forces to compromise us further.
We'll pay attention to and rally round way more bruthas like Grandmaster Jay of NFAC.
We won't necessarily hate on people like "lil nas x" but people like him won't be dominating our music airwaves like he currently is, when we still have RAKIM, WU TANG, PUBLIC ENEMY, PARIS THE BLACK PANTHER OF HIPHOP, FAT JOE, ROYCE DA 5'9", J. COLE, KENDRICK LAMAR, etc etc around.
Redjack? Will make a pile of money for Disney while he makes BP the ultra G he always was and should be. I mean, seriously...imagine what Redjack could do with FIVE GALAXIES OF WAKANDA to play with!! When I first imagined the idea years ago and brought it to life with my Wakanda Kifalme Ya Nyota..."Wakanda's Kingdom of the Stars"...in my fanfic? I was thrilling to build threads in the main story that would take us to exploring it.
But I confess that I never thought of FIVE GALAXIES for Wakanda. I wanted to tell the story of how Wakanda Kifalme Ya Nyota came to be and how T'Challa and The Royals led it into expansion throughout this galaxy. I wanted that throwdown with everyone from The Shi'Ar to The Stranger. From Ego to The In-Betweener, from The Brood to The Living Tribunal. And? Yeah, I would have thrown some new and not-so-new heads in there. T'Challa and Adam Brashear? Would hotbox with Adam's ace bad guy, who'd joined forces with a Multiverse Inverted Adam Warlock to do our Reality all kinds of wrong.
T'Challa would have matched wits with our newly upgraded Princess Zanda as she sought to steal The Incubator...a critical facet of pre-Universal undefined power type that was responsible for propelling Galactus into our universe and helping to evolve him into The Life Giver...as well as devolve him into The Devourer.
T'Challa and Blade would have teamed up to defeat the resurgent, deadly powerful, brilliant and utterly terrifying Danquan Oheneba of the Obayifo, one of the Underworld Princes of the scarifying and lethal West Alkebulan versions of the vampire [ Obayifo ] which long predated Brahm Stoker's tales about Dracula and European vampires.
T'Challa would have been brought in by Elektra as she attempted her most daring kill yet...and T'Challa would have no choice but to answer her summons.
Moondragon would show up, and we'd learn all kinds of lusty and lethal things about their secret past together...and Moondragon would pull T'Challa into the kind of adventure that we've only once before [ under RH's pen ] seen even being hinted at, visavis T'Challa.
Storm and T'Challa would finally have that talk about their breakup, their fight, Wolverine, and everything in between. There will be clashing of wills and fighting happening.
And so. Much. More...
You know what? I'm going to get to writing again, since Ridley isn't going to do us right.
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Here's the thing, here's the PROBLEM with the black writers they are hiring currently. They are trying to input AFRICAN AMERICAN throughts, experience, and issues. Mind of shadow says it best.
It is just lazy to be honest.
You hire within a race or ethnic group or whatever because then the writer can share ideas, motivations, thoughts, and feelings someone outside of that ethnic group wouldnt' know first hand.
But... T'challa isn't American Black. He's African. And African king of a nation untouched by colonialism. An african king of a super power.
What person on earth can "relate" to that really lol?
Professional comic writers can work with that because it is PURE FANTASY. There is nothing to connect to really... it is like writing Thor for Bast sake. So, you get these professionals like Priest, Aaron, Ewing, Hickman and company and they just role with it because they are used to writing comic book fiction.
These novelists and journalists and newbs try to impart some african-american issues on an AFRICAN KING. And it just doesn't work. There is nothing to connect to here.
This is the difference. And what MoS is getting at is these professionals write T'Challa as a badass character who happens to be Black. They take out the black out of Black Panther and just write him as a character and not a 'Black' character. When you start to focus on the 'black' part, you start to run into the issues wee saw with Coates and what we are seeing with Ridley. A constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them.
Rarely does focusing on the characters blackness works. Hudlin managed to pull it off (unfortunately he had some hiccups being a noob to comics and we are unfortunately suffering from those mistakes today as they had MASSIVE drawbacks that are heavily derailing the franchise) but writers like Priest and Redjack wrote T'Challa THE CHARACTER first and his blackness second. They added to his World and gave it the African feel, but their focus wasn't to make it 'all black' but to make it GOOD.
I don't need only a black writer to write Tchalla. I need GOOD writers who want to write the character writing him, and it just so happens that Redjack who is black, would be the best writer for the job, followed by Ewing abd JA. The CHARACTER comes first, his personality, morals, beliefs, and traits. His race, sexual orientation, and political thoughts on IRL American politics comes second.
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What mistakes did Hudlin do? Only thing I remember is one issue with bad art, but I think that was just a substitute.
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I think this is false bind we put black characters (and black creators into). Why I say that is that we are supposed to only have two alternatives, a raceless "black" Black Panther that puts "character" first (stripped of racial context, as well as largely real history, and culture/influences) or a black Black Panther that is a neutered black male, a therapy session for anxious black writers (often male) to work out their racial and gender anxieties through.
I don't see it as having to be one or the other, or either. Black Panther's race can be used to make him stand out in fiction and in the real world. He can tap into a legacy that almost no other major black character can and I don't think it's something Marvel should run from or downplay. We often are given these raceless characters that are black on the outside but have little black interiority, that are basically no different than white characters. To me I see that as a dodge on the part of (often) white creators who can't, or won't, put themselves into their black characters' heads, and instead just go with the easy, warm platitude that "we are all the same" therefore there is little need to investigate the quirks and cleavages of history that do make us different, and therefore we get false diversity and not a real diversity of experience and opinion that could make for richer stories and characters overall.
I also don't see this as solely an issue of just black writers on Black Panther. Mind of Shadow mentions white writers who also input their thoughts, experiences, and issues onto Black Panther like black ones. If anything, many of the black writers successfully or not, do attempt to impart some kind of racial consciousness and not just make T'Challa raceless. Making T'Challa raceless undermines the powerful inspirational and aspirational appeal of the character as much as neutering him does.
The idea of Americans imparting or imposing their views on an African character, well, Black Panther was created by two white American men and owned by a white American corporation.
Just about every other African character we know of, definitely in mainstream comics, share that same origin. T'Challa is as native African as Luke Cage, Falcon, John Stewart, etc., etc., came from the soil of the black American imagination. Basically, he isn't really African, as conceived by Africans. Black Panther isn't about the real Africa or an African nation or monarch, so much as a (white) American examination of those subjects. So, I can't fault them for imparting some of their views on the character. My hope is that many do enough research, as well as reflection, and approach Black Panther, as well as all black characters, with respect and care.
Further, Marvel has or is moving to put continental African, or other Diasporic black writers, in the Black Panther orbit, like Nnedi Okorafor, Roxane Gay, Evan Narcisse, and now Tochi Onyebuchi, and thus far, I've only heard this forum give Narcisse the most praise.
Let me add...I went back and reread what Ezyo said, and I hadn't noted before that Ezyo was talking about the current black writers, and not necessarily about black writers for Black Panther in general. I am more accepting that there is an issue with the current crop of Black Panther writers' takes on T'Challa, but I blame Marvel for that more than them. Marvel is hiring those writers. And while it appears some here have given up on Ridley, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I do think he's a good writer and I'm hoping he'll come through. Though I do think his I Am Batman series is holding together better at this point, which perhaps does reinforce what Ezyo and others feel because Ridley perhaps is more a natural at writing a conflicted Black American character than a conflicted African one.
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I think Ridley is doing good. He's got issues with Tchallas' filler dialogue and he needs a better fight artist. Story as a whole is fine although he needs more Oh S*** moments.
I like Tochi Onyebuchi so far. I like his Legends BP story and his first Sam Wilson issue was good. People who I think struggle with comics currently are Brandon Thomas, Chuck Brown, and Brandon Easton.
Bryan Hill, Rodney Barnes, David Walker are usually consistent.
I think Priest does agenda writing too, he just hides it within the story
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What mistakes did Hudlin do? Only thing I remember is one issue with bad art, but I think that was just a substitute.
Creating Shuri and not giving her a role or any development at all other than a lesser, female version of T'Challa. Pairing Storm and T'Challa together, and killing off the majority of T'Challas male cast
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What mistakes did Hudlin do? Only thing I remember is one issue with bad art, but I think that was just a substitute.
Creating Shuri and not giving her a role or any development at all other than a lesser, female version of T'Challa. Pairing Storm and T'Challa together, and killing off the majority of T'Challas male cast
If he gave her a role people would have complained. She was a filler character until she became Black Panther. Her biggest fear until then was killing Radioactive Man. And Priest made Kasper BP, if it had been the run during the Hudlin years, he'd probably still be BP.
Under Hudlin the pairing was good. Other writers not knowing how to handle it isn't his fault.
He only killed W'kabi and Zuri and he only really interacted with them on a professional level. Under Priest and Hudlin he had no Wakandan friends. McGregor was the closest to depicting him as having any.
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I will add that I'm not saying T'Challa needs to be a reskinned white hero. I am saying that him being Black shouldn't be a core character trait, I a believe it leads to .any pitfalls that Black writers find themselves falling into.
I'm also not saying writers need to shy away from it either. What makes T'Challa so interesting is mixing RL African history and culture into the fantasy of an unconquered advanced African nation. But that's the lense it must be viewed through, and not an American Black lense, because T'Challa would not have the same experiences black Americans have and they need to stop trying to add them.
Redjack currently is the best writer for BP. He has proven he can tell a great BP story while highlighting abd expanding on his African heritage without getting hung up on it.
Just like how writers can get hung up on female characters going through the same tropes of overcoming sexism or the patriarch, the same happens when black characters have to deal with racism or the black experience, and can't tell any other stories.
For Ridley he has proven a couple things to me. One he can't do a engaging and exciting story with real stakes for T'Challa. We are coming into issue 6 with 'no idea' who the mastermind is, even though it's almost guaranteed to be hunter. He has the weakest reason for T'Challa to be acting the way he is and Wakanda as well. He has weakened T'Challa and made him ironically somehow weaker than Coates version.
He has some weird inconsistent dialogue (in the latest preview he is swearing and saying he was just bluffing? Who is this dude??) And he is AGAIN needing Storm to save him. Atleast when Coates punked T'Challa and Wakanda by having Storm save the day, the threat seemed somewhat more believable and powerful even though he still should of handled it. Ridley having T'Challa struggling and getting beat down by the HZ whom he had been beating on since their inception is just bad writing.
I don't have hope for Ridley, he has had more than enough time to ramp the story up and there's no excuse at this point. Add on his thoughts in the recent podcast he was apart of along with Narcisse and it's clear he ain't it.
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The HZ are bigger threats than the green turbine goons Tchalla was losing to while wearing his suit.
Standard TV writing says the mastermind in a mystery is revieled in the penultimate issue. This arc will end at 8 so I'd expect it at 7.
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What mistakes did Hudlin do? Only thing I remember is one issue with bad art, but I think that was just a substitute.
Creating Shuri and not giving her a role or any development at all other than a lesser, female version of T'Challa. Pairing Storm and T'Challa together, and killing off the majority of T'Challas male cast
If he gave her a role people would have complained. She was a filler character until she became Black Panther. Her biggest fear until then was killing Radioactive Man. And Priest made Kasper BP, if it had been the run during the Hudlin years, he'd probably still be BP.
Under Hudlin the pairing was good. Other writers not knowing how to handle it isn't his fault.
He only killed W'kabi and Zuri and he only really interacted with them on a professional level. Under Priest and Hudlin he had no Wakandan friends. McGregor was the closest to depicting him as having any.
Those mistakes are big ones, yes no one predicted that they would have long reaching negatives like how Storm had become a parasite or Shuri is taking T'Challas intelligence and the male cast is all bit gutted. But two of the 3 could of been mitigated easily. I doubt anyone would of complained about Shuri actually being a character that was T'Challa lite, and she should of focused on something Tchalla didn't like magic. The male cast was gutted, but they still had a role, he might of been professional but they are still important, the same could be said about the DM yet look at Okoye. Point is Al 3 Could of been avoided
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The HZ are bigger threats than the green turbine goons Tchalla was losing to while wearing his suit.
Standard TV writing says the mastermind in a mystery is revieled in the penultimate issue. This arc will end at 8 so I'd expect it at 7.
now is not the time to make the HZ great by beating on T'Challa, especially when throughout their publishing history they have been getting the business by him. That's not how you make credible threats, by bringing DOWN the lead. You up the threat to their level.
And the originators got the business from T'Challa, I'm talking about adversary.
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What mistakes did Hudlin do? Only thing I remember is one issue with bad art, but I think that was just a substitute.
Creating Shuri and not giving her a role or any development at all other than a lesser, female version of T'Challa. Pairing Storm and T'Challa together, and killing off the majority of T'Challas male cast
If he gave her a role people would have complained. She was a filler character until she became Black Panther. Her biggest fear until then was killing Radioactive Man. And Priest made Kasper BP, if it had been the run during the Hudlin years, he'd probably still be BP.
Under Hudlin the pairing was good. Other writers not knowing how to handle it isn't his fault.
He only killed W'kabi and Zuri and he only really interacted with them on a professional level. Under Priest and Hudlin he had no Wakandan friends. McGregor was the closest to depicting him as having any.
Those mistakes are big ones, yes no one predicted that they would have long reaching negatives like how Storm had become a parasite or Shuri is taking T'Challas intelligence and the male cast is all bit gutted. But two of the 3 could of been mitigated easily. I doubt anyone would of complained about Shuri actually being a character that was T'Challa lite, and she should of focused on something Tchalla didn't like magic. The male cast was gutted, but they still had a role, he might of been professional but they are still important, the same could be said about the DM yet look at Okoye. Point is Al 3 Could of been avoided
Yes, look at Okoye. She's not even in Hudlins run. At least not named. That's a combination of Priest and Danai Gurira being a good actress. Storm being a parasite is all on Coates. He could have used her the same way even if they were never married. As far as Shuri, Tchalla is never in the lab. He fixes things on the fly. She occupies a Bond Q role, some writers are just lazy. And Tchallas tech side was never his best feature. The shrewdness semi missing it has best. I say semi because it's there in the background as actions he already did off panel. He just needs more in the moment shrewdness.
Also the HZ that Tchalla beats are not his, under Priest they were dismissed when he became King so they haven't received his training. Same with when he slapped on, they were Shuris'. These are supposed to be his. I'd expect to be as well trained at the sleeper agents, who are among the best fighters in the country.
Now that isn't to say that Ridley hasn't messed up. If this fight takes place at the same time as the end of the previous, hes definitely made a mistake.
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See a lots of good points made all around here.
One thing that Cville mentioned that stuck out to me was how Ridley was writing BP. While he also is a novelist and comic book writer, he's been most successful when it came to screen writing and perhaps, he's approaching BP that way. I don't have a problem with most of what I've read from Ridley's run thus far, though I do think the pace is way too slow. If we are coming up on the sixth book and the mastermind has yet to be revealed, it feels like foot dragging. I'm imagining how Marvel will compile this story for graphic novels. It feels a bit underwhelming to say only compile four or five issues at this point and not have the mastermind exposed in a cliffhanger or a hook to get people buying the next issue or graphic novel. To me, if this was an eight-issue arc or so, then there needed to be more secondary antagonists and action, as well as overall supporting character buildup to sustain this story for eight issues. As it stands, this doesn't feel like it needs to be that long a story and that at best the mastermind should've been exposed in the third issue, at the latest. That way, they could spend the next two-to-three issues (preferably two) fighting them, and then moving on to the next arc.
Regarding how Ezyo feels about Blackness as a core character trait, I think it is one. That doesn't mean it has to be the only thing discussed, especially in a stereotypical or performative way, but I think there's nothing wrong with Blackness being core to Black characters. It informs how they see the world and themselves, the friends they have, how they interact. What foods they might eat, music they might listen to, or how they might dress. I don't think every issue needs to be a soap box and written in a way to appeal or enlighten white/non-Black readers, but I also don't want Black characters who never are affected by race/racism. Of course not every Black person in the real world is affected by it the same way, but most (I would say all) have dealt with it on some level and I would like to see how that shapes how Black characters act versus non-Black characters.
I also have no problem with writers doing their best to focus on Black Panther as an African character either. Though I don't see writers not doing that as much of a problem as Ezyo seems to. I think it's more a matter of how things are written or depicted more so than a lot of times of what is being written. I like how Ridley's T'Challa is disdainful of the democratic changes sweeping Wakanda.While not specifically African, his stance feels more organic to me owing that he was an absolute monarch.
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What mistakes did Hudlin do? Only thing I remember is one issue with bad art, but I think that was just a substitute.
Creating Shuri and not giving her a role or any development at all other than a lesser, female version of T'Challa. Pairing Storm and T'Challa together, and killing off the majority of T'Challas male cast
If he gave her a role people would have complained. She was a filler character until she became Black Panther. Her biggest fear until then was killing Radioactive Man. And Priest made Kasper BP, if it had been the run during the Hudlin years, he'd probably still be BP.
Under Hudlin the pairing was good. Other writers not knowing how to handle it isn't his fault.
He only killed W'kabi and Zuri and he only really interacted with them on a professional level. Under Priest and Hudlin he had no Wakandan friends. McGregor was the closest to depicting him as having any.
Those mistakes are big ones, yes no one predicted that they would have long reaching negatives like how Storm had become a parasite or Shuri is taking T'Challas intelligence and the male cast is all bit gutted. But two of the 3 could of been mitigated easily. I doubt anyone would of complained about Shuri actually being a character that was T'Challa lite, and she should of focused on something Tchalla didn't like magic. The male cast was gutted, but they still had a role, he might of been professional but they are still important, the same could be said about the DM yet look at Okoye. Point is Al 3 Could of been avoided
Yes, look at Okoye. She's not even in Hudlins run. At least not named. That's a combination of Priest and Danai Gurira being a good actress. Storm being a parasite is all on Coates. He could have used her the same way even if they were never married. As far as Shuri, Tchalla is never in the lab. He fixes things on the fly. She occupies a Bond Q role, some writers are just lazy. And Tchallas tech side was never his best feature. The shrewdness semi missing it has best. I say semi because it's there in the background as actions he already did off panel. He just needs more in the moment shrewdness.
Also the HZ that Tchalla beats are not his, under Priest they were dismissed when he became King so they haven't received his training. Same with when he slapped on, they were Shuris'. These are supposed to be his. I'd expect to be as well trained at the sleeper agents, who are among the best fighters in the country.
Now that isn't to say that Ridley hasn't messed up. If this fight takes place at the same time as the end of the previous, hes definitely made a mistake.
Okoye got a specific role and didn't deviate. She is a warrior.
Storm being a parasite has persisted for years before Coates. He just made it alot worse. But x office took potshots, and other writers kept associating them too. If Hudlin created an OC LI then we wouldn't be dealing with Storm at all. Again he couldn't predict that so it's less his fault, though he could of had a better reason than simply they are both Black.
T'Challa is just as comfortable in a Lab as he is on the fly. There are plenty of showings of him on the lab. Shuri should not fill that role because writers are seemingly incapable of showing two Super Geniuses. Same goes for the MCU. So make her either what Coates was going for Z or the brilliant compromise Redjack made on KiB. Because currently? They insert Shuri onto stories she doesn't belong in to provide technical babble T'Challa is more thank l capable of providing. This again, is due to a lack of a specific role.
And finally the HZ. They aren't Priests, ok. They aren't Shuris, okay. They also aren't T'Challas. They are Coates/ Akili, which are Arguably the weakest of all. The only characters trained by Tchalla are the agent's and poorly written Omolola have T'Challa issues while being injured which should NEVER happen. Again the threats are scaled up, T'Challa is scaled down. And the premise and story is low stakes high risk, poorly choreographed, paced, and weak ooc dialogue far too often for T'Challas voice.
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Remember Al Ewing tried to make the change by making them Tchallas' personal mercenary group. That circle doesn't square with this story because they have a role in government. But at the end for Coates first arc he rebuilt the HZ with QDJ being his first call. So its reasonably to assume that these new ones are better trained.
And remember Akili almost won the rebellion/invasion on his own. If only he turned that gun in the proper direction. Lol.
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I guess I see it alot as blackness being the only defining trait of character as of late. And it gets old. Again, I'm not asking for a reskinned white character. There's nothing wrong with getting into African roots, culture and history. It's what makes Wakanda interesting as it has kept all it's traditions and culture in tact. What I don't like are racial stereotypes and black dysfunction. Or turning Wakanda onto a Western analogue for slavery, and Columbus, with them needing to pay reparations (Coates). What I am saying is two fold. One T'Challa shouldn't ONLY be defined as a black hero and should be written as a CHARACTER first. And then further his character by showing his African heritage. And two, writers shouldn't completely shy away from it either and make him reskinned white
While Ridley hasn't done all that, he IS reinforcing another trope that Coates really pioneered onto the mythos which is black women being shown constantly as either the heroes who are faultless or the smarter off the two constantly telling Black men how wrong they are. Also the men being inert, traitors and just generally poorly written as a whole.
Ridley's T'Challa is good in having disdain for democracy with the strong argument of how easily it can spin it's wheel's trying to decide WHAT to do rather than taking action.
I don't care for how the writers though continue to use real world rules to fantasy in painting a absolute monarch as inherently bad and democracy as inherently good.
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Remember Al Ewing tried to make the change by making them Tchallas' personal mercenary group. That circle doesn't square with this story because they have a role in government. But at the end for Coates first arc he rebuilt the HZ with QDJ being his first call. So its reasonably to assume that these new ones are better trained.
And remember Akili almost won the rebellion/invasion on his own. If only he turned that gun in the proper direction. Lol.
I mean.. Ewing had the HZ and DM getting SPANKED by the plant folk lol. So again, this all falls back into their ranking in publishing history. The best they have ever been was Hickmans TRO when they spanked Atlantis.
Yeah that scene with Akili completely flattened and made Tetu even more a complete laughably pathetic villain than before. Which made the invasion even more unbelievable as it was idiotic.
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I guess I see it alot as blackness being the only defining trait of character as of late. And it gets old. Again, I'm not asking for a reskinned white character. There's nothing wrong with getting into African roots, culture and history. It's what makes Wakanda interesting as it has kept all it's traditions and culture in tact. What I don't like are racial stereotypes and black dysfunction. Or turning Wakanda onto a Western analogue for slavery, and Columbus, with them needing to pay reparations (Coates). What I am saying is two fold. One T'Challa shouldn't ONLY be defined as a black hero and should be written as a CHARACTER first. And then further his character by showing his African heritage. And two, writers shouldn't completely shy away from it either and make him reskinned white
While Ridley hasn't done all that, he IS reinforcing another trope that Coates really pioneered onto the mythos which is black women being shown constantly as either the heroes who are faultless or the smarter off the two constantly telling Black men how wrong they are. Also the men being inert, traitors and just generally poorly written as a whole.
Ridley's T'Challa is good in having disdain for democracy with the strong argument of how easily it can spin it's wheel's trying to decide WHAT to do rather than taking action.
I don't care for how the writers though continue to use real world rules to fantasy in painting a absolute monarch as inherently bad and democracy as inherently good.
The women ain't looking too good. The PM is ineffective, Omolo(sp) claims to love Tchallas' friend, but cheats on him with multiple people. Shuri accused her and that turned out to be wrong. Which essentially leads to the circular firing squad of accusations which put Tchalla in the position hes currently in. I don't see him saying women are better than men.
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1. Evan and I could make the franchise a showpiece.
2. There comes a point where there's almost zero chance my pitches for the character(s) would get anywhere near what the company wants for them, regardless of sales. We may be past that point. I have no interest in furthering the mythology as it's progressed over the last few years and my Big Pitch, without being an attack on any of that work (it's not. I never attack the prior writers for doing with their ideas exactly what i would do with mine if i was driving) would still be too far away from they seem wot want for T'Challa and Wakanda.
3. If the THOR book suddenly stopped being about Thor and focused instead on all the supporting characters who live in Asgard, the audience would riot, no matter how well-written or drawn.
4. I don't think it's possible now for ANY Black Panther run to exist without massive controversy. Trust me. if MARVEL called me tomorrow and said, "Green Light, brother, do anything you need to do with the title." THE INSTANT that became news, the knives would come out ,calling me every name in the book before anyone had read one word.
I don't actually care about that chatter (as if) but that's what would happen. And my run would absolutely remove everything I don't like about the last few years– in-story, without hand waves. Do we really think Marvel is signing up for that? Doubt it. Highly.
You can tell from my writing of the character what I think about him and his supporting cast. There actually is a way to have the cake and eat it vis a vis T'Challa and Shuri and all that. It's sitting right there in the existing text if they want to connect those dots. But the folks who own it have to want to and they'd need to give me at least two years to make it go.
WILDLY unlikely.
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First? ALL HAIL REDJACK AND EVAN. These are the real "in comics industry NOW" bruthas who'll actually do not only T'Challa but any character...especially a character from Alkebulan miscalled "Africa" or "Afrika" [ the term "Afrika" is a ROMAN term, meaning: "land of the Afri {people}", etc ] With this comment above...where did he post this comment?..he just got me onboard whatever he writes, wherever he goes.
I'm done with Marvel comics. I don't see them doing us right in no kinda way, shape, or form. And that's double unacceptable, because not only are RJ and EN [ Evan Narcisse ] out there {and there seems to be some serious iffyness in Evan from some things one of the OG HEFfas said he stated about BP} was out there, until DC swooped him up for the new BLACK ADAM series [ which I'm definitely following! I loved his Deathstroke ].
How is it that twice IN A ROW now...Coates and Ridley...they bring in bruthas with seemingly impeccable credentials, and they both come in and make T'Challa into T'Chumpa, Mayor of Suckaville [ Coates ] and T'Challa, Citizen of Suckaville [ Ridley ]? When Aaron, Ewing, etc have absolutely kilt it like Scottish man skirts...FOR YEARS, FROM ISSUE #1 FORWARD... with T'Challa?
Answer: they're trying to "misappropriate", redirect and neuter both T'Challa AND Wakanda.
With R to the H? CJP? Coogler? T'Challa and Wakanda actually directly engaged issues from our Alkebulan perspective. Were proud of our Alkebulan heritage, and both introduced and resolved thorny issues which have a perpetual racial and racist dynamic due to nonAlkebulan Racist Feudalists doing what they do.
Neither Aaron or Ewing approached these subjects at all. And that's why their depictions are very dope, desirable...but they're writing "Panther" . Anyone can be under the Panther mask of the admirable, well written, potent character they write; and I definitely feel that such was purposeful. How can we ask Aaron and Ewing to write from a Alkebulan perspective; a perspective they can never have?
The bruthas? Write BLACK PANTHER. Not just Panther. And Redjack? Was absolutely magnificent. With him? We'd have it ALL. The EVERYTHING we love, the BLACK PANTHER, not "just" a fly dope "Panther". Aaaand? We'd have the sales. Redjack? With the proper art support and company push? Would run numbers we haven't seen since R to the H.
But for LONGER, because the comic book would get a strong bounce from the MCU release of BP and the subsequent Disney+ and MCU ventures [ any Okoye or Dora Milaje or Shuri stuff, any AVENGERS stuff, any MIDNIGHT SONS stuff, etc ]. That means? Redjack would have broken ALL the records, and set up all bold face like the dominating presence of T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER...
...right as the homegrown terrorists in this country and White Civilization worldwide are taking a propagandized powered hard Right turn, which is all designed to keep the corrupt creatures currently in power? Perpetually in power. And Disney? Is in this up to its NECK. Presenting the devastatingly dope, multifaction uniting BLACK PANTHER AND WAKANDA would thoroughly undermine or outright obliterate a significant facet of their hyperpowered propaganda machine visavis the younger generation. The death blow to their position of power and their further aspirations is the unification of good people across racial and economic lines into a single force recognizing that the entire 1%...all of them...are existential threats to humanity, this planet, and wherever they may roam off planet. All of them. All. Of. Them. Need be exterminated without mercy and with the most extreme prejudice possible.
MLK was heading toward this unified multiracial, multieconomic class unity with his POOR PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN. That's why they killed him.
T'Challa is far more threatening. He's not asking anyone for anyone, he overwhelms opposition. Effortlessly. While not only uniting groups like MLK did, but also putting an invincible Black male as the head of the movement we all need. These optics? Will lift the profile of bruthas worldwide, annealing the fractures in many of our family units and propelling many and plenty T'Challa analogues in real life. This reality will reverse all this softie sucka boy image that too many of us see when we see images of Alkebulan men in media. We will speedily take control of and celebrate our images of real masculinity without allowing outside or weaker forces to compromise us further.
We'll pay attention to and rally round way more bruthas like Grandmaster Jay of NFAC.
We won't necessarily hate on people like "lil nas x" but people like him won't be dominating our music airwaves like he currently is, when we still have RAKIM, WU TANG, PUBLIC ENEMY, PARIS THE BLACK PANTHER OF HIPHOP, FAT JOE, ROYCE DA 5'9", J. COLE, KENDRICK LAMAR, etc etc around.
Redjack? Will make a pile of money for Disney while he makes BP the ultra G he always was and should be. I mean, seriously...imagine what Redjack could do with FIVE GALAXIES OF WAKANDA to play with!! When I first imagined the idea years ago and brought it to life with my Wakanda Kifalme Ya Nyota..."Wakanda's Kingdom of the Stars"...in my fanfic? I was thrilling to build threads in the main story that would take us to exploring it.
But I confess that I never thought of FIVE GALAXIES for Wakanda. I wanted to tell the story of how Wakanda Kifalme Ya Nyota came to be and how T'Challa and The Royals led it into expansion throughout this galaxy. I wanted that throwdown with everyone from The Shi'Ar to The Stranger. From Ego to The In-Betweener, from The Brood to The Living Tribunal. And? Yeah, I would have thrown some new and not-so-new heads in there. T'Challa and Adam Brashear? Would hotbox with Adam's ace bad guy, who'd joined forces with a Multiverse Inverted Adam Warlock to do our Reality all kinds of wrong.
T'Challa would have matched wits with our newly upgraded Princess Zanda as she sought to steal The Incubator...a critical facet of pre-Universal undefined power type that was responsible for propelling Galactus into our universe and helping to evolve him into The Life Giver...as well as devolve him into The Devourer.
T'Challa and Blade would have teamed up to defeat the resurgent, deadly powerful, brilliant and utterly terrifying Danquan Oheneba of the Obayifo, one of the Underworld Princes of the scarifying and lethal West Alkebulan versions of the vampire [ Obayifo ] which long predated Brahm Stoker's tales about Dracula and European vampires.
T'Challa would have been brought in by Elektra as she attempted her most daring kill yet...and T'Challa would have no choice but to answer her summons.
Moondragon would show up, and we'd learn all kinds of lusty and lethal things about their secret past together...and Moondragon would pull T'Challa into the kind of adventure that we've only once before [ under RH's pen ] seen even being hinted at, visavis T'Challa.
Storm and T'Challa would finally have that talk about their breakup, their fight, Wolverine, and everything in between. There will be clashing of wills and fighting happening.
And so. Much. More...
You know what? I'm going to get to writing again, since Ridley isn't going to do us right.
The past decade's writers consistency in the dissolution of T'Challa the Black Panther and his kingdom of Wakanda have unequivocally defined this era as the nadir of Black Panther comic books. So yes, you writing some more fan fiction about the Black Panther makes sense Supreme.
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I guess I see it alot as blackness being the only defining trait of character as of late. And it gets old. Again, I'm not asking for a reskinned white character. There's nothing wrong with getting into African roots, culture and history. It's what makes Wakanda interesting as it has kept all it's traditions and culture in tact. What I don't like are racial stereotypes and black dysfunction. Or turning Wakanda onto a Western analogue for slavery, and Columbus, with them needing to pay reparations (Coates). What I am saying is two fold. One T'Challa shouldn't ONLY be defined as a black hero and should be written as a CHARACTER first. And then further his character by showing his African heritage. And two, writers shouldn't completely shy away from it either and make him reskinned white
While Ridley hasn't done all that, he IS reinforcing another trope that Coates really pioneered onto the mythos which is black women being shown constantly as either the heroes who are faultless or the smarter off the two constantly telling Black men how wrong they are. Also the men being inert, traitors and just generally poorly written as a whole.
Ridley's T'Challa is good in having disdain for democracy with the strong argument of how easily it can spin it's wheel's trying to decide WHAT to do rather than taking action.
I don't care for how the writers though continue to use real world rules to fantasy in painting a absolute monarch as inherently bad and democracy as inherently good.
I largely agree with what you say here, but I don't buy the idea that Blackness and Character are too separate things when it comes to Black characters. How can a Black character just be a character first? Their Blackness is part of their character. I don't think there has to be an either/or choice here. That's how it's long been presented to us, as if Black people can separate themselves (or others would allow us to) from our skin color and all the history that goes along with it. And some of his persist in pursuing that, but it rarely (I believe never) works.
Like you, I don't want stereotypes, and I also cringe at the currently popular performative Blackness where people dress in more Afrocentric clothes, wear their hair natural, say a few "pro-Black" quotes or phrases to prove they are "down" but outside of that are not uplifting the community and sometimes pushing agendas that are divisive within the community. That's the kind of "Blackness" I don't care to see.
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Here's the thing, here's the PROBLEM with the black writers they are hiring currently. They are trying to input AFRICAN AMERICAN throughts, experience, and issues. Mind of shadow says it best.
It is just lazy to be honest.
You hire within a race or ethnic group or whatever because then the writer can share ideas, motivations, thoughts, and feelings someone outside of that ethnic group wouldnt' know first hand.
But... T'challa isn't American Black. He's African. And African king of a nation untouched by colonialism. An african king of a super power.
What person on earth can "relate" to that really lol?
Professional comic writers can work with that because it is PURE FANTASY. There is nothing to connect to really... it is like writing Thor for Bast sake. So, you get these professionals like Priest, Aaron, Ewing, Hickman and company and they just role with it because they are used to writing comic book fiction.
These novelists and journalists and newbs try to impart some african-american issues on an AFRICAN KING. And it just doesn't work. There is nothing to connect to here.
This is the difference. And what MoS is getting at is these professionals write T'Challa as a badass character who happens to be Black. They take out the black out of Black Panther and just write him as a character and not a 'Black' character. When you start to focus on the 'black' part, you start to run into the issues wee saw with Coates and what we are seeing with Ridley. A constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them.
Rarely does focusing on the characters blackness works. Hudlin managed to pull it off (unfortunately he had some hiccups being a noob to comics and we are unfortunately suffering from those mistakes today as they had MASSIVE drawbacks that are heavily derailing the franchise) but writers like Priest and Redjack wrote T'Challa THE CHARACTER first and his blackness second. They added to his World and gave it the African feel, but their focus wasn't to make it 'all black' but to make it GOOD.
I don't need only a black writer to write Tchalla. I need GOOD writers who want to write the character writing him, and it just so happens that Redjack who is black, would be the best writer for the job, followed by Ewing abd JA. The CHARACTER comes first, his personality, morals, beliefs, and traits. His race, sexual orientation, and political thoughts on IRL American politics comes second.
The challenge with so called black writers post Hudlin is their insistence on importing the thoughts, experience, and issues of so called African Americans who sought to be integrated and accepted (or as it is said today represented and included) as opposed to choosing the thoughts, experience, and issues of self liberating and autonomous Afrakans of the Americas both north and south. It is the equivalent of choosing the narrative of the tv series Roots instead the narrative espoused in the film Quilombo to express a point of view that the Wakandans would have.
An Afrakan centered writer, literate in traditional Afrakan culture prior to Asian, Arab or European influence, would scribe T'Challa the Black Panther's Afrakaness not as happenstance but as a purposeful and hereditary necessity. When Afrakan cultural centeredness is ignored or removed the Black Panther winds up a disenfranchised unflattering self effacing caricature of himself.
There is no such thing as writing just a character. Superman is not just a character, he is a white character. Superman is a white character based on his phenotypical expression; his midwestern cultural values, civilian style of dress; primary language; and most telling, his parents being white.
If focusing on T'Challa the Black Panther's Afrakaness (so called blackness) creates issues, then these issues are reflections of the writers personal ideologies and internal conflicts not T'Challa's. When a "black" writer expresses a constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them, this is a manifestation self, male and people degradation in a desparate attempt to appease a certain demographic they so believe is superior.
At their best Priest and Hudlin's comicbooks and Redjack's cartoon seamlessly integrated "blackness" into the "character." There was no character comes first and blackness comes second.
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We got T'Challa making accusations and about to kill Omolola because... She cheated on Jhai? He over reacts which is something tchalla has never done and he had been shown to be closer to actual characters.
The other men? Dead or traitor's. With T'Challa bumbling along or reacting to situations instead of solving them. Tell me against how tchalla doesn't identify the assassin's are Wakandan again after fighting them personally? Incompetence. After the Coates era, I have little faith on anyone who writes T'Challa this way and have zero faith on "Keep reading it will get better or it will all make sense on the end" that goodwill was burned to the ground with Coates
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I guess I see it alot as blackness being the only defining trait of character as of late. And it gets old. Again, I'm not asking for a reskinned white character. There's nothing wrong with getting into African roots, culture and history. It's what makes Wakanda interesting as it has kept all it's traditions and culture in tact. What I don't like are racial stereotypes and black dysfunction. Or turning Wakanda onto a Western analogue for slavery, and Columbus, with them needing to pay reparations (Coates). What I am saying is two fold. One T'Challa shouldn't ONLY be defined as a black hero and should be written as a CHARACTER first. And then further his character by showing his African heritage. And two, writers shouldn't completely shy away from it either and make him reskinned white
While Ridley hasn't done all that, he IS reinforcing another trope that Coates really pioneered onto the mythos which is black women being shown constantly as either the heroes who are faultless or the smarter off the two constantly telling Black men how wrong they are. Also the men being inert, traitors and just generally poorly written as a whole.
Ridley's T'Challa is good in having disdain for democracy with the strong argument of how easily it can spin it's wheel's trying to decide WHAT to do rather than taking action.
I don't care for how the writers though continue to use real world rules to fantasy in painting a absolute monarch as inherently bad and democracy as inherently good.
The women ain't looking too good. The PM is ineffective, Omolo(sp) claims to love Tchallas' friend, but cheats on him with multiple people. Shuri accused her and that turned out to be wrong. Which essentially leads to the circular firing squad of accusations which put Tchalla in the position hes currently in. I don't see him saying women are better than men.
Good points about the depiction of women so far. While they might not be looking too hot, I doubt they will be held "accountable" like T'Challa or other black male characters will/would be for faux pas or failures (real or imagined).
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Here's the thing, here's the PROBLEM with the black writers they are hiring currently. They are trying to input AFRICAN AMERICAN throughts, experience, and issues. Mind of shadow says it best.
It is just lazy to be honest.
You hire within a race or ethnic group or whatever because then the writer can share ideas, motivations, thoughts, and feelings someone outside of that ethnic group wouldnt' know first hand.
But... T'challa isn't American Black. He's African. And African king of a nation untouched by colonialism. An african king of a super power.
What person on earth can "relate" to that really lol?
Professional comic writers can work with that because it is PURE FANTASY. There is nothing to connect to really... it is like writing Thor for Bast sake. So, you get these professionals like Priest, Aaron, Ewing, Hickman and company and they just role with it because they are used to writing comic book fiction.
These novelists and journalists and newbs try to impart some african-american issues on an AFRICAN KING. And it just doesn't work. There is nothing to connect to here.
This is the difference. And what MoS is getting at is these professionals write T'Challa as a badass character who happens to be Black. They take out the black out of Black Panther and just write him as a character and not a 'Black' character. When you start to focus on the 'black' part, you start to run into the issues wee saw with Coates and what we are seeing with Ridley. A constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them.
Rarely does focusing on the characters blackness works. Hudlin managed to pull it off (unfortunately he had some hiccups being a noob to comics and we are unfortunately suffering from those mistakes today as they had MASSIVE drawbacks that are heavily derailing the franchise) but writers like Priest and Redjack wrote T'Challa THE CHARACTER first and his blackness second. They added to his World and gave it the African feel, but their focus wasn't to make it 'all black' but to make it GOOD.
I don't need only a black writer to write Tchalla. I need GOOD writers who want to write the character writing him, and it just so happens that Redjack who is black, would be the best writer for the job, followed by Ewing abd JA. The CHARACTER comes first, his personality, morals, beliefs, and traits. His race, sexual orientation, and political thoughts on IRL American politics comes second.
The challenge with so called black writers post Hudlin is their insistence on importing the thoughts, experience, and issues of so called African Americans who sought to be integrated and accepted (or as it is said today represented and included) as opposed to choosing the thoughts, experience, and issues of self liberating and autonomous Afrakans of the Americas both north and south. It is the equivalent of choosing the narrative of the tv series Roots instead the narrative espoused in the film Quilombo to express a point of view that the Wakandans would have.
An Afrakan centered writer, literate in traditional Afrakan culture prior to Asian, Arab or European influence, would scribe T'Challa the Black Panther's Afrakaness not as happenstance but as a purposeful and hereditary necessity. When Afrakan cultural centeredness is ignored or removed the Black Panther winds up a disenfranchised unflattering self effacing caricature of himself.
There is no such thing as writing just a character. Superman is not just a character, he is a white character. Superman is a white character based on his phenotypical expression; his midwestern cultural values, civilian style of dress; primary language; and most telling, his parents being white.
If focusing on T'Challa the Black Panther's Afrakaness (so called blackness) creates issues, then these issues are reflections of the writers personal ideologies and internal conflicts not T'Challa's. When a "black" writer expresses a constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them, this is a manifestation self, male and people degradation in a desparate attempt to appease a certain demographic they so believe is superior.
At their best Priest and Hudlin's comicbooks and Redjack's cartoon seamlessly integrated "blackness" into the "character." There was no character comes first and blackness comes second.
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I agree with a lot of what you write here, though I do have some pushback. Let's note that there are Continental as well as other Diasporic brothers and sisters who seek integration and acceptance as well. And also don't see the attempts of humble T'Challa as "humanizing" him, but more so playing out some kind of psychological/emotional anxiety or turmoil in said writer's mind. It's not humanizing him, it's just another way of dehumanizing him perhaps because they can't see or accept fully their own humanity, and therefore can't write T'Challa that way. And that's not even bringing into it how Marvel might wish for T'Challa, and other Black characters, to be depicted.
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I think this is false bind we put black characters (and black creators into). Why I say that is that we are supposed to only have two alternatives, a raceless "black" Black Panther that puts "character" first (stripped of racial context, as well as largely real history, and culture/influences) or a black Black Panther that is a neutered black male, a therapy session for anxious black writers (often male) to work out their racial and gender anxieties through.
I don't see it as having to be one or the other, or either. Black Panther's race can be used to make him stand out in fiction and in the real world. He can tap into a legacy that almost no other major black character can and I don't think it's something Marvel should run from or downplay. We often are given these raceless characters that are black on the outside but have little black interiority, that are basically no different than white characters. To me I see that as a dodge on the part of (often) white creators who can't, or won't, put themselves into their black characters' heads, and instead just go with the easy, warm platitude that "we are all the same" therefore there is little need to investigate the quirks and cleavages of history that do make us different, and therefore we get false diversity and not a real diversity of experience and opinion that could make for richer stories and characters overall.
I also don't see this as solely an issue of just black writers on Black Panther. Mind of Shadow mentions white writers who also input their thoughts, experiences, and issues onto Black Panther like black ones. If anything, many of the black writers successfully or not, do attempt to impart some kind of racial consciousness and not just make T'Challa raceless. Making T'Challa raceless undermines the powerful inspirational and aspirational appeal of the character as much as neutering him does.
The idea of Americans imparting or imposing their views on an African character, well, Black Panther was created by two white American men and owned by a white American corporation.
Just about every other African character we know of, definitely in mainstream comics, share that same origin. T'Challa is as native African as Luke Cage, Falcon, John Stewart, etc., etc., came from the soil of the black American imagination. Basically, he isn't really African, as conceived by Africans. Black Panther isn't about the real Africa or an African nation or monarch, so much as a (white) American examination of those subjects. So, I can't fault them for imparting some of their views on the character. My hope is that many do enough research, as well as reflection, and approach Black Panther, as well as all black characters, with respect and care.
Further, Marvel has or is moving to put continental African, or other Diasporic black writers, in the Black Panther orbit, like Nnedi Okorafor, Roxane Gay, Evan Narcisse, and now Tochi Onyebuchi, and thus far, I've only heard this forum give Narcisse the most praise.
Let me add...I went back and reread what Ezyo said, and I hadn't noted before that Ezyo was talking about the current black writers, and not necessarily about black writers for Black Panther in general. I am more accepting that there is an issue with the current crop of Black Panther writers' takes on T'Challa, but I blame Marvel for that more than them. Marvel is hiring those writers. And while it appears some here have given up on Ridley, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I do think he's a good writer and I'm hoping he'll come through. Though I do think his I Am Batman series is holding together better at this point, which perhaps does reinforce what Ezyo and others feel because Ridley perhaps is more a natural at writing a conflicted Black American character than a conflicted African one.
Well said Emperorjones. Would you consider Stan Lee and Jack Kirby being influenced by Afrakans and the events surrounding those Afrakans? Do you think Hudlin delivered an Afrakan centered, contextually cultured examination on said subjects?
Marvel employing Afrakans whether from the continent or out of the diaspora is a respectable move. However the Black Panther represents a unique fictional character and as such requires a writer historically astute in the many victorious Afrakan engagements for maintaining autonomy. It goes without saying the writer should be imaginative and innovative.
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Here's the thing, here's the PROBLEM with the black writers they are hiring currently. They are trying to input AFRICAN AMERICAN throughts, experience, and issues. Mind of shadow says it best.
It is just lazy to be honest.
You hire within a race or ethnic group or whatever because then the writer can share ideas, motivations, thoughts, and feelings someone outside of that ethnic group wouldnt' know first hand.
But... T'challa isn't American Black. He's African. And African king of a nation untouched by colonialism. An african king of a super power.
What person on earth can "relate" to that really lol?
Professional comic writers can work with that because it is PURE FANTASY. There is nothing to connect to really... it is like writing Thor for Bast sake. So, you get these professionals like Priest, Aaron, Ewing, Hickman and company and they just role with it because they are used to writing comic book fiction.
These novelists and journalists and newbs try to impart some african-american issues on an AFRICAN KING. And it just doesn't work. There is nothing to connect to here.
This is the difference. And what MoS is getting at is these professionals write T'Challa as a badass character who happens to be Black. They take out the black out of Black Panther and just write him as a character and not a 'Black' character. When you start to focus on the 'black' part, you start to run into the issues wee saw with Coates and what we are seeing with Ridley. A constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them.
Rarely does focusing on the characters blackness works. Hudlin managed to pull it off (unfortunately he had some hiccups being a noob to comics and we are unfortunately suffering from those mistakes today as they had MASSIVE drawbacks that are heavily derailing the franchise) but writers like Priest and Redjack wrote T'Challa THE CHARACTER first and his blackness second. They added to his World and gave it the African feel, but their focus wasn't to make it 'all black' but to make it GOOD.
I don't need only a black writer to write Tchalla. I need GOOD writers who want to write the character writing him, and it just so happens that Redjack who is black, would be the best writer for the job, followed by Ewing abd JA. The CHARACTER comes first, his personality, morals, beliefs, and traits. His race, sexual orientation, and political thoughts on IRL American politics comes second.
The challenge with so called black writers post Hudlin is their insistence on importing the thoughts, experience, and issues of so called African Americans who sought to be integrated and accepted (or as it is said today represented and included) as opposed to choosing the thoughts, experience, and issues of self liberating and autonomous Afrakans of the Americas both north and south. It is the equivalent of choosing the narrative of the tv series Roots instead the narrative espoused in the film Quilombo to express a point of view that the Wakandans would have.
An Afrakan centered writer, literate in traditional Afrakan culture prior to Asian, Arab or European influence, would scribe T'Challa the Black Panther's Afrakaness not as happenstance but as a purposeful and hereditary necessity. When Afrakan cultural centeredness is ignored or removed the Black Panther winds up a disenfranchised unflattering self effacing caricature of himself.
There is no such thing as writing just a character. Superman is not just a character, he is a white character. Superman is a white character based on his phenotypical expression; his midwestern cultural values, civilian style of dress; primary language; and most telling, his parents being white.
If focusing on T'Challa the Black Panther's Afrakaness (so called blackness) creates issues, then these issues are reflections of the writers personal ideologies and internal conflicts not T'Challa's. When a "black" writer expresses a constant need to humble, humiliate, and chastise Black characters (especially Black men) in some twisted beliefs of humanizing them, this is a manifestation self, male and people degradation in a desparate attempt to appease a certain demographic they so believe is superior.
At their best Priest and Hudlin's comicbooks and Redjack's cartoon seamlessly integrated "blackness" into the "character." There was no character comes first and blackness comes second.
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I agree with a lot of what you write here, though I do have some pushback. Let's note that there are Continental as well as other Diasporic brothers and sisters who seek integration and acceptance as well. And also don't see the attempts of humble T'Challa as "humanizing" him, but more so playing out some kind of psychological/emotional anxiety or turmoil in said writer's mind. It's not humanizing him, it's just another way of dehumanizing him perhaps because they can't see or accept fully their own humanity, and therefore can't write T'Challa that way. And that's not even bringing into it how Marvel might wish for T'Challa, and other Black characters, to be depicted.
Let's note that there are Continental as well as other Diasporic brothers and sisters who seek integration and acceptance as well.
No argument.
And also don't see the attempts of humble T'Challa as "humanizing" him, but more so playing out some kind of psychological/emotional anxiety or turmoil in said writer's mind.
I think we're saying the same thing.
It's not humanizing him, it's just another way of dehumanizing him perhaps because they can't see or accept fully their own humanity, and therefore can't write T'Challa that way.
More like they can't see or accept their own Afrakanity and as such write a very deficient T'Challa the Black Panther and impotent Wakanda.
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I think this is false bind we put black characters (and black creators into). Why I say that is that we are supposed to only have two alternatives, a raceless "black" Black Panther that puts "character" first (stripped of racial context, as well as largely real history, and culture/influences) or a black Black Panther that is a neutered black male, a therapy session for anxious black writers (often male) to work out their racial and gender anxieties through.
I don't see it as having to be one or the other, or either. Black Panther's race can be used to make him stand out in fiction and in the real world. He can tap into a legacy that almost no other major black character can and I don't think it's something Marvel should run from or downplay. We often are given these raceless characters that are black on the outside but have little black interiority, that are basically no different than white characters. To me I see that as a dodge on the part of (often) white creators who can't, or won't, put themselves into their black characters' heads, and instead just go with the easy, warm platitude that "we are all the same" therefore there is little need to investigate the quirks and cleavages of history that do make us different, and therefore we get false diversity and not a real diversity of experience and opinion that could make for richer stories and characters overall.
I also don't see this as solely an issue of just black writers on Black Panther. Mind of Shadow mentions white writers who also input their thoughts, experiences, and issues onto Black Panther like black ones. If anything, many of the black writers successfully or not, do attempt to impart some kind of racial consciousness and not just make T'Challa raceless. Making T'Challa raceless undermines the powerful inspirational and aspirational appeal of the character as much as neutering him does.
The idea of Americans imparting or imposing their views on an African character, well, Black Panther was created by two white American men and owned by a white American corporation.
Just about every other African character we know of, definitely in mainstream comics, share that same origin. T'Challa is as native African as Luke Cage, Falcon, John Stewart, etc., etc., came from the soil of the black American imagination. Basically, he isn't really African, as conceived by Africans. Black Panther isn't about the real Africa or an African nation or monarch, so much as a (white) American examination of those subjects. So, I can't fault them for imparting some of their views on the character. My hope is that many do enough research, as well as reflection, and approach Black Panther, as well as all black characters, with respect and care.
Further, Marvel has or is moving to put continental African, or other Diasporic black writers, in the Black Panther orbit, like Nnedi Okorafor, Roxane Gay, Evan Narcisse, and now Tochi Onyebuchi, and thus far, I've only heard this forum give Narcisse the most praise.
Let me add...I went back and reread what Ezyo said, and I hadn't noted before that Ezyo was talking about the current black writers, and not necessarily about black writers for Black Panther in general. I am more accepting that there is an issue with the current crop of Black Panther writers' takes on T'Challa, but I blame Marvel for that more than them. Marvel is hiring those writers. And while it appears some here have given up on Ridley, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I do think he's a good writer and I'm hoping he'll come through. Though I do think his I Am Batman series is holding together better at this point, which perhaps does reinforce what Ezyo and others feel because Ridley perhaps is more a natural at writing a conflicted Black American character than a conflicted African one.
Well said Emperorjones. Would you consider Stan Lee and Jack Kirby being influenced by Afrakans and the events surrounding those Afrakans? Do you think Hudlin delivered an Afrakan centered, contextually cultured examination on said subjects?
Marvel employing Afrakans whether from the continent or out of the diaspora is a respectable move. However the Black Panther represents a unique fictional character and as such requires a writer historically astute in the many victorious Afrakan engagements for maintaining autonomy. It goes without saying the writer should be imaginative and innovative.
From what little I know of Black Panther's origins I do think Lee and Kirby looked to the new (at the time) independent African nations for inspiration for T'Challa. I can't really say if Hudlin delivered on what you ask, but I do think he had/has a great reverence for Black Panther and that shone through in his work. Further he had no problem infusing his books with a Black sensibility in ways that no one else did, including Priest (who I feel at times was self-conscious about race in his Black Panther run, definitely more so than Hudlin).
It would be great if Marvel hired writers-no matter their race/ethnicity-that approached T'Challa with the care that you speak of, but I see it as a grab bag sometimes. I don't think the character is revered in the halls of Marvel Comics as much as he is on this forum and that's reflected in his treatment in comics pages. I think Marvel is stuck. They are used to undercutting Black characters, but because the Black Panther movie was such a hit and cultural milestone, they can't just ignore him or treat him as shabbily as they did Blade after Wesley's movies put that character over. So, he is on a lot of covers now, he pops up in lots of books, and plays some noticeable role (not always notable) in major events to check the BP/diversity appearance box, but I still sense that reluctance to really put him over. There should've been a major event that revolved around Wakanda by now for example.
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Quote from: Supreme Illuminati on May 29, 2022 at 07:21:20 pm
Alkebulan miscalled "Africa" or "Afrika" [ the term "Afrika" is a ROMAN term, meaning: "land of the Afri {people}", etc
Ahhh, the ole Alkebu-lan is the original name play made popular in our circles by Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan. With all due respect Supreme, Alkebu-lan is an Arabic translation of the Afrakan term Ur Kheb Hu Ta. It was used by Arab influenced Afrakans aka Moors who had been indoctrinated into Arabic culture through the practice of the Islam.
Technically speaking the Arabs took the term Al from ancient Kanana (Canaan; ancient Afrakan civilization now called Palestine). In Kanana, Al is a title of the Creator. In Arabic Al is a definite article which passed into Spanish and was translated as El after the Moorish (Arab influenced Afrakans) invasion.
The root of this term is found in ancient Kamit as Ur which translates in English as great; the great. There was very little to no use of "L" sound in ancient Kamit as there would be in the centuries to follow in Kanana. The rolling ‘R’ sound is translated as an ‘L’ sound particularly in Arabic and Spanish which either incorporated or co-opted the Kamau (indigenous and original inhabitants of Kamit) terms into their own language.
The root word Khebu used in the Arabic term Alkebu-lan is the name of the Neteru (Kamiti term for a male deity) whose divine providence governs in the north of Kamit. This region of Northern Afraka was heavily invaded by the Romans and Arabs and as a result both would incorporate or translate Afrakan terms and names into their languages.
The terms Afer (singular) and Afri (plural) were in fact used by the Romans but did not originate from them. The Romans were introduced to the term after they encountered the Abibiri-fo. That is the name of the ethnic group of Afrakans inhabiting Khart Hadast (later to be mispronounced and renamed as Carthage). Predating this, the terms Afer and Afri were in use in the ancient language of the Kamau of Kamit wherein it defined that which is to be hot; to burn; hot vapor and smoke.
These truths form the foundation of the nomenclature, Alkebu-lan, being used by Afrakans indoctrinated into Arab culture a couple of centuries pass to reference the northern part of the continent of Afraka. Arabized Afrakans were mimicking a corruption transmitted by the Romans and Arabs who invaded the northern part of the mother/father continent known by its indigenous inhabitants as the land of the Al (great) north wind deity Khebu.
The full package is Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Afrakan male/Afratkat female) comes from the languages and Medu (writings) of the indigenous and original peoples of Keneset, Khanit, Kamit, Kush and Punt (Ethiopia, Nubia, Egypt, Sudan and Somalia/Eritrea). These terms and their variants can be found on the Hunefer Sheft (Papyrus of Hunefer) - some 3,300 years old as well as in the Temple of Auset in Paaraka (Pilak, Philae) dating some 2,400 years ago. Africa and Afrika are just misspellings of Afraka which is derived from Afuraka. Afrikaans and Afrikaner are wholesale corruptions that do not require addressing.
Afuraka/Afuraitkait is the origin of the term Africa. All of the purposefully erroneous etymological origins of this sacred name have been developed deliberately to rob Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut of the awareness of our spiritual, mental, biological, geological, cosmological and culturally identity.
Other purposefully defined misnomers lend themselves to the peoples, nations and territories of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) continent. Cammeroon which comes from the Portuguese term Rio dos Camaroe translates as River of Prawns. Its the equivalent of calling one’s self shrimp. Cote d’Ivoire is a French term that translates in English as Ivory Coast. The Afrakanu/Afratkatnut there call themselves Ivorians.
Ethiopia is a misnomer that comes from the Greek’s words ethios which translates as burnt and ops which translates as faces. Here Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) are calling themselves burnt faces. Egypt follows in the same manner. The Greeks create the term Aigyptos based in their sensibilities, which evolved into the name Egypt. It is a misunderstanding, mistranslated and mispronunciation of Het Ka Ptah.
The Central Afrakani/Afratkatnit state, now known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo was once called Zaire which was in fact a Portuguese corruption of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) word Nzere. The name Nigeria comes by way of British journalist Flora Shaw, an advocate of colonial imperialist Cecil Rhodes. It is curious to note that the word Niger is pronounced Nee-shear which belies its spelling. This begs the concern of not only using Afrakani/Afratkatnit names but also using Afrakani/Afratkatnit symbols to comprise the script. The Afrakani/Afratkatnit names of the so-called Niger river, Joliba and Oya seem to be relegated to use only by the culturally centered Afrakanu/Afratkatnut .
Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) using European, Arab or any other non Afrakani/Afratkatnit terminology to define themselves, territories or consuetudes credits the cultural dominance of others. Note the inherent confusion of these names; George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King Jr., Khalid Muhammad or Shaquile O'Neil. Without pictures one might conclude these Afrakanu/Afratkatnut were European, Arab or even some combination there of.
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I think this is false bind we put black characters (and black creators into). Why I say that is that we are supposed to only have two alternatives, a raceless "black" Black Panther that puts "character" first (stripped of racial context, as well as largely real history, and culture/influences) or a black Black Panther that is a neutered black male, a therapy session for anxious black writers (often male) to work out their racial and gender anxieties through.
I don't see it as having to be one or the other, or either. Black Panther's race can be used to make him stand out in fiction and in the real world. He can tap into a legacy that almost no other major black character can and I don't think it's something Marvel should run from or downplay. We often are given these raceless characters that are black on the outside but have little black interiority, that are basically no different than white characters. To me I see that as a dodge on the part of (often) white creators who can't, or won't, put themselves into their black characters' heads, and instead just go with the easy, warm platitude that "we are all the same" therefore there is little need to investigate the quirks and cleavages of history that do make us different, and therefore we get false diversity and not a real diversity of experience and opinion that could make for richer stories and characters overall.
I also don't see this as solely an issue of just black writers on Black Panther. Mind of Shadow mentions white writers who also input their thoughts, experiences, and issues onto Black Panther like black ones. If anything, many of the black writers successfully or not, do attempt to impart some kind of racial consciousness and not just make T'Challa raceless. Making T'Challa raceless undermines the powerful inspirational and aspirational appeal of the character as much as neutering him does.
The idea of Americans imparting or imposing their views on an African character, well, Black Panther was created by two white American men and owned by a white American corporation.
Just about every other African character we know of, definitely in mainstream comics, share that same origin. T'Challa is as native African as Luke Cage, Falcon, John Stewart, etc., etc., came from the soil of the black American imagination. Basically, he isn't really African, as conceived by Africans. Black Panther isn't about the real Africa or an African nation or monarch, so much as a (white) American examination of those subjects. So, I can't fault them for imparting some of their views on the character. My hope is that many do enough research, as well as reflection, and approach Black Panther, as well as all black characters, with respect and care.
Further, Marvel has or is moving to put continental African, or other Diasporic black writers, in the Black Panther orbit, like Nnedi Okorafor, Roxane Gay, Evan Narcisse, and now Tochi Onyebuchi, and thus far, I've only heard this forum give Narcisse the most praise.
Let me add...I went back and reread what Ezyo said, and I hadn't noted before that Ezyo was talking about the current black writers, and not necessarily about black writers for Black Panther in general. I am more accepting that there is an issue with the current crop of Black Panther writers' takes on T'Challa, but I blame Marvel for that more than them. Marvel is hiring those writers. And while it appears some here have given up on Ridley, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I do think he's a good writer and I'm hoping he'll come through. Though I do think his I Am Batman series is holding together better at this point, which perhaps does reinforce what Ezyo and others feel because Ridley perhaps is more a natural at writing a conflicted Black American character than a conflicted African one.
Well said Emperorjones. Would you consider Stan Lee and Jack Kirby being influenced by Afrakans and the events surrounding those Afrakans? Do you think Hudlin delivered an Afrakan centered, contextually cultured examination on said subjects?
Marvel employing Afrakans whether from the continent or out of the diaspora is a respectable move. However the Black Panther represents a unique fictional character and as such requires a writer historically astute in the many victorious Afrakan engagements for maintaining autonomy. It goes without saying the writer should be imaginative and innovative.
From what little I know of Black Panther's origins I do think Lee and Kirby looked to the new (at the time) independent African nations for inspiration for T'Challa. I can't really say if Hudlin delivered on what you ask, but I do think he had/has a great reverence for Black Panther and that shone through in his work. Further he had no problem infusing his books with a Black sensibility in ways that no one else did, including Priest (who I feel at times was self-conscious about race in his Black Panther run, definitely more so than Hudlin).
It would be great if Marvel hired writers-no matter their race/ethnicity-that approached T'Challa with the care that you speak of, but I see it as a grab bag sometimes. I don't think the character is revered in the halls of Marvel Comics as much as he is on this forum and that's reflected in his treatment in comics pages. I think Marvel is stuck. They are used to undercutting Black characters, but because the Black Panther movie was such a hit and cultural milestone, they can't just ignore him or treat him as shabbily as they did Blade after Wesley's movies put that character over. So, he is on a lot of covers now, he pops up in lots of books, and plays some noticeable role (not always notable) in major events to check the BP/diversity appearance box, but I still sense that reluctance to really put him over. There should've been a major event that revolved around Wakanda by now for example.
It couldn't have been written any better Emperorjones. Much respect for your insight and cultural sensibilities.
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I understand that you don't want to erase blackness from a character. But I'll give an example of what I mean by character first.
Take the show 24, in the original, we have Jack Bauer, a counter terrorist agent and the lead. He is allowed to just be that. Jack Bauer x the badass, the man who gets stuff done, his past haunts him but it's due to an affair with one of his agents, and on a later season he struggles with addiction for when he went undercover. Then take 24 legacy and with Eric Carter, he is a former army ranger which is fine. But then In typical fashion, they have his brother, whom he interacts with quite a bit in the show, as a gang leader. Granted his gang does some good in the show. It still falls back on whenever black characters are involved, their past either has gangbanging, Drug dealing, or incarnation tier to it. All . The. Time. They can't just be a character who was a former army ranger with a family of successful people like White characters. They have to have atleast 1 of the 3 mentioned above.
T'Challa can and should deal with some social issues. I don't mind him having a heart to heart with Luke or Miles about racial issues and how they deal with it in their lives, but I don't want that to be THE defining trait. Like how McGregor had crack show up in Wakanda or Coates rape treehouse nonsense.
Black characters are more than the stereotypes they get forced on them. It's okay if they are like John Wick, Jason Bourne, Master Chief, Neo, and the countless other heroes out there like white characters who aren't defined STRICTLY by their race. They have more depth than that. Show me a Black character that maybe goes back home and sees his community as a familial place, because they exist, where it at gang wars and drug slinging. Show them having a BBQ and everyone getting along, because there is unity in black communities despite what Media wants people to think
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I understand that you don't want to erase blackness from a character. But I'll give an example of what I mean by character first.
Take the show 24, in the original, we have Jack Bauer, a counter terrorist agent and the lead. He is allowed to just be that. Jack Bauer x the badass, the man who gets stuff done, his past haunts him but it's due to an affair with one of his agents, and on a later season he struggles with addiction for when he went undercover. Then take 24 legacy and with Eric Carter, he is a former army ranger which is fine. But then In typical fashion, they have his brother, whom he interacts with quite a bit in the show, as a gang leader. Granted his gang does some good in the show. It still falls back on whenever black characters are involved, their past either has gangbanging, Drug dealing, or incarnation tier to it. All . The. Time. They can't just be a character who was a former army ranger with a family of successful people like White characters. They have to have atleast 1 of the 3 mentioned above.
T'Challa can and should deal with some social issues. I don't mind him having a heart to heart with Luke or Miles about racial issues and how they deal with it in their lives, but I don't want that to be THE defining trait. Like how McGregor had crack show up in Wakanda or Coates rape treehouse nonsense.
Black characters are more than the stereotypes they get forced on them. It's okay if they are like John Wick, Jason Bourne, Master Chief, Neo, and the countless other heroes out there like white characters who aren't defined STRICTLY by their race. They have more depth than that. Show me a Black character that maybe goes back home and sees his community as a familial place, because they exist, where it at gang wars and drug slinging. Show them having a BBQ and everyone getting along, because there is unity in black communities despite what Media wants people to think
I don't think were are seeing things all that differently, however I still believe you ascribe to the thinking/conditioning of race (i.e. Blackness) as being limiting, which is something Generation X was definitely taught when it came to entertainment. My generation got that message all the time. Even the great King of Pop once declared, "I'm not going to live or spend my life being a color" (paraphrasing) in the unsubtly titled song Black or White. I think Blackness can be a way to shape a character and the choices they make, that make them organic and stand out, and not be stereotypical. Stereotyping is a bad, poor, lazy, writing choice that people make because they don't do the work, don't know they need to, or at the end of the day don't really care about these characters; they are just checking a box.
I also keep in mind the context that these characters are created in. For 24, Jack Bauer was created by white people, and far as I know, so was Eric Carter, and so in the white imagination (IMO), they far, far too often can't conceive of a "Black" character without placing them in familiar to them (often stereotypical) trappings. Note as well how many Black characters are athletes or have some Church background or are pastors, if they don't go with criminals. There are also a lot of Black soldiers and police officers too. The one thing, beyond race, that often binds all these characters, is how little character development and promotion they often get compared to white characters.
24 also had the powerful Black Palmer family too, which produced two presidents (albeit neither were that successful, but both were depicted heroically. As was their sister, portrayed by Regina King). And Sherry Palmer was on of the best Lady MacBeth characters I've seen on television, a great villain. And Jack's longtime partner Curtis Manning was a pretty solid Black Best Friend character until he was killed off in a bit of awful, sensationalist writing. If I recall, that was in Season 6, the season which also exposed Bauer's father to be a criminal too; it's just he was not stereotypical, though his crimes were perhaps typical for the kind of series 24 was.
I never watched all of 24: Legacy, and one of the things that rankled was the gang leader brother. I didn't mind the corruption angle. They just could've made him a corrupt politician instead of the gang route.
Black creatives are not above using racial stereotyping either. Though what I think is happening with Black Panther is more of an internal, psychological torment for some struggling over their masculinity, while others might want to impose their feminist beliefs about who black men really are onto the character. Black Panther just becomes the latest, and one of the highest profile, soapboxes to spread their new (old) religion that N's ain't s**t, even fictional African royal ones.
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This is what happens when a people live on borrowed culture with a mentality of lusting for inclusion and acceptance. Complicate matters with historical violence, prejudices and a precedent setting of self rejection and the resulting fiction more times than not will reflect such.
This is why what Hudlin did with Black Panther was so ground breaking. While Priest cemented the most technologically advanced nation tag line as well giving the most definitive voice to T'Challa, it was Hudlin's declaration of Wakanda's ten thousand year history of never being conquered nor colonized that shook the comic book world to its foundations.
Certainly Hudlin had some faux pas but the implications of proclaiming Wakanda millenniums long sovereignty meant writing a series success stories with a victorious hero at its center issue after issue. Here are just a few examples.
T'Challa not needing to go to Oxford, he had the best education in Wakanda. T'Challa didn't need a super soldier drink to be among the world's best combatants. T'Challa loving and marring a very powerful, intelligent and "beautiful" Afrakan woman. A tale of a future in which T'Challa takes over the world while showing that throughout the centuries Wakanda and its Black Panther helped Afrakan nation resist enslavement and captivity.
Lessons to be learned. Future writers need to advance the Black Panther's agenda not their personal ones.
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Courtesy of CBR's Redjack
"realism" is a crutch used by people who are new to writing super-hero fiction.
Some fans think they want more realism but, invariably, too much of the real world in super-hero comics makes for some sh*ttier super-hero comics. What they want is to feel the actions of these heroes ring TRUE which is not the same as being REAL.
The base concepts of these heroes and their worlds are just too thin to support too much true realism.
Wakanda is a scifi secret monarchy.
EVERYONE is Wakanda is an olympic level athlete and a near genius level thinker. The ritual of ascension via combat is part faith (Bast smiles on whoever wins and thus is fated by the goddess to rule), part test of combat skills and part contest of wills to see who has the necessary grit to rule. This is why ANYONE is allowed to compete. It's egalitarian without being democratic. The council exists to ADVISE the ruler, not tell him what to do or fight his decisions.
it's not a democracy. they aren't Americans.
nor do they age, speak any real language or stay dead when they're killed.
big 2 super hero comics are about what can be made to seem plausible inside their own universes, not what can be made to match reality more closely.
reality, like nostalgia, kills them.
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This is an excellent summary of the Black Panther and probably why, under its current management, Marvel may not give Redjack an opportunity (which he earned) to write T'Challa the Black Panther. At least not for couple of years to come. Remember regime change do happen, trends play out and a failed A.G.E.N.D.A. is replaced with good old fashioned super hero comic book writing.
HEF Reply #5131 on: April 21, 2021, 10:26:45 pm
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Hear, hear! Excellent analysis, 100 percent on the beam!
As a society, the more we lean into gritty hyper realism and forsake imaginative, aspirational, sometimes “corny” or “sappy” storytelling, the more our innocence wanes, the harder it becomes for us to dream of let alone believe in heroes.
Redjack is right on the money! Thanks for sharing brother Ture!
Peace,
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The thing with realism is a tough balance. Perhaps the success of comic book films has exacerbated that demand or expectation from some for "realism". Whereas longtime comic book fans have long accepted the fantastical, and at times downright silly, aspects in comics, I have to wonder if this desire to appeal to the broadest audience possible (the "normies" as some call them), Hollywood has been trying to make things all 'work' in a real world to get "regular" people to be better able to buy into the stories and characters. Sometimes I think that's been pretty cool, but at other times (like with the ugly designs of the Nolan films) it's went overboard. I do think we need to have that space for the fantastical in comics. If we take that away, then we'll be losing something.
Though from the very beginning, heck, even predating comics, there were violent pulp characters/stories, and that carried over into comics. Also, there have long been salacious comics. As for the mainstream, we saw more acceptance of darker themes in the 80s with the embrace of Frank Miller and Alan Moore, among others, and then people went ham in the 1990s with blood, gore, and skin, and while not all of that was realistic, and some quite fantastical, it still fed a desire, while also creating or mainstreaming one that that kind of content was cool and desired (much like how kids wanted the music with the Parental Advisory sticker on it back in the day).
I thought what RJ wrote about the big 2 making comic stories plausible within their own universes was a very good point. I hadn't considered it like that before and it works for me.
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I understand that you don't want to erase blackness from a character. But I'll give an example of what I mean by character first.
Take the show 24, in the original, we have Jack Bauer, a counter terrorist agent and the lead. He is allowed to just be that. Jack Bauer x the badass, the man who gets stuff done, his past haunts him but it's due to an affair with one of his agents, and on a later season he struggles with addiction for when he went undercover. Then take 24 legacy and with Eric Carter, he is a former army ranger which is fine. But then In typical fashion, they have his brother, whom he interacts with quite a bit in the show, as a gang leader. Granted his gang does some good in the show. It still falls back on whenever black characters are involved, their past either has gangbanging, Drug dealing, or incarnation tier to it. All . The. Time. They can't just be a character who was a former army ranger with a family of successful people like White characters. They have to have atleast 1 of the 3 mentioned above.
T'Challa can and should deal with some social issues. I don't mind him having a heart to heart with Luke or Miles about racial issues and how they deal with it in their lives, but I don't want that to be THE defining trait. Like how McGregor had crack show up in Wakanda or Coates rape treehouse nonsense.
Black characters are more than the stereotypes they get forced on them. It's okay if they are like John Wick, Jason Bourne, Master Chief, Neo, and the countless other heroes out there like white characters who aren't defined STRICTLY by their race. They have more depth than that. Show me a Black character that maybe goes back home and sees his community as a familial place, because they exist, where it at gang wars and drug slinging. Show them having a BBQ and everyone getting along, because there is unity in black communities despite what Media wants people to think
I don't think were are seeing things all that differently, however I still believe you ascribe to the thinking/conditioning of race (i.e. Blackness) as being limiting, which is something Generation X was definitely taught when it came to entertainment. My generation got that message all the time. Even the great King of Pop once declared, "I'm not going to live or spend my life being a color" (paraphrasing) in the unsubtly titled song Black or White. I think Blackness can be a way to shape a character and the choices they make, that make them organic and stand out, and not be stereotypical. Stereotyping is a bad, poor, lazy, writing choice that people make because they don't do the work, don't know they need to, or at the end of the day don't really care about these characters; they are just checking a box.
I also keep in mind the context that these characters are created in. For 24, Jack Bauer was created by white people, and far as I know, so was Eric Carter, and so in the white imagination (IMO), they far, far too often can't conceive of a "Black" character without placing them in familiar to them (often stereotypical) trappings. Note as well how many Black characters are athletes or have some Church background or are pastors, if they don't go with criminals. There are also a lot of Black soldiers and police officers too. The one thing, beyond race, that often binds all these characters, is how little character development and promotion they often get compared to white characters.
24 also had the powerful Black Palmer family too, which produced two presidents (albeit neither were that successful, but both were depicted heroically. As was their sister, portrayed by Regina King). And Sherry Palmer was on of the best Lady MacBeth characters I've seen on television, a great villain. And Jack's longtime partner Curtis Manning was a pretty solid Black Best Friend character until he was killed off in a bit of awful, sensationalist writing. If I recall, that was in Season 6, the season which also exposed Bauer's father to be a criminal too; it's just he was not stereotypical, though his crimes were perhaps typical for the kind of series 24 was.
I never watched all of 24: Legacy, and one of the things that rankled was the gang leader brother. I didn't mind the corruption angle. They just could've made him a corrupt politician instead of the gang route.
Black creatives are not above using racial stereotyping either. Though what I think is happening with Black Panther is more of an internal, psychological torment for some struggling over their masculinity, while others might want to impose their feminist beliefs about who black men really are onto the character. Black Panther just becomes the latest, and one of the highest profile, soapboxes to spread their new (old) religion that N's ain't s**t, even fictional African royal ones.
It's not a condition thing as I'm very protective of black characters when they are portrayed poorly because they get a TON of criticism when they aren't written right. I just want my character to define themselves more than just their race. Portray him like Hudlins T'Challa. He was unapologetically Black, but that's not ALL he was. He was more that than just a black man. He was a King, husband, friend, hero and all around the Cool badass you wanted in your corner. That's what I want
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The thing for me is that I don't see it as an ALL (or nothing) deal when it comes to being Black. We just are Black. It doesn't, and I don't think really can't, be separated from all the other identities we have (and if we do so, or others do it for or to Black characters) it does them a disservice.
I think being Black is set in opposition to being human (i.e., white) in large part because mostly white people have been the ones setting the terms of the discussion. IMO, for many white creators being Black is outside of their normal (human) reality so it can be set apart, and I think Black creatives and fans (myself included at times) have simply adopted this thinking.
Being Black doesn't mean that it has to be a kind of soapbox, performative, preachiness. I don't think many of us have soapbox moments every waking second, but for a white person who perhaps only has to interact with Black folks in limited, particular context, this is what Blackness means or symbolizes to them, and so that's how they envision and write characters. And that leaves fans to react to that, and sometimes there's an attempt to correct or overcorrect those limited-and at times stereotypical-portrayals by creating raceless Black characters that are "defined by their color". Yet these characters are not immune to still be marginalized.
All that being said, I don't think there's anything, short of imagination and effort, that stops creators from imbuing their Black characters with three dimensional human traits that Black and non-Black audiences can relate to; albeit they can do that from a Black perspective which gives the character (and hopefully the audience) a different perspective.
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Thursday June 2, 2022
Here's how i would have handled the Skybreaker thing.
She knows they won't give it to her but the mutants NEED it. Using her EXCELLENT cat burglar skills and her knowledge of the palace, we see Storm Black Cats her way into the room where they keep the insanely powerful magic swords. Everything's going perfect until she actually touches it and lifts it out of its case.
Alarms go off and WAKANDAN defenses invoke. This is Wakanda and they had access to Ororo for a minimum of a year. They are prepared for what she can do (as they are with ALL the known Omega-level mutants). She smacks some of the defenses down easily (come on, it's STORM. she don't go easy) but the fight reaches a stage where she'd have to kill people to win or they'd have to kill her (which they absolutely can).
So far, she's been fighting security people but now she's letting them hold her with the big vibranium grapple things. She warns the captain she HAS to have this sword and, super sorry about the damage she's about to cause but she's taking it. The captain says HE is sorry for having to murder the King's ex-wife if she twitches one more little spark of electricity, but he absolutely will. It's about to get ill when SHURI enters.
SHURI: Yes. We could do all those things. Mayhem, destruction, blah, blah, blah. Or...
EVERYONE stops and watches Shuri calmly walk up to Storm (still held in the vibranium trap thing).
SHURI: You can tell me why you want the sword.
Storm tells Shuri about the contest and the stakes to mutant-kind and, maybe, the world. She says she's sorry but she knows how important Skybreaker is to Wakanda; there was literally no other way.
Shuri considers.
SHURI: Fate of the world? You will use it only to protect the innocent? You'll bring it back when you're done?
The answer is yes to all these.
SHURI: Release her. Take the sword. Win.
ORORO: Thank you. We will. I swear.
Before Storm leaves...
SHURI: Do you truly think so little of us, Ororo? You could have just asked.
As Storm flies away Shuri taps her earring.
SHURI: Good enough?
And we see that T'Challa has been monitoring this from wherever the hell he is with the Avengers the whole time.
T'CHALLA: For now. Keep me updated.
courtesy of CBR's Redjack
Satisfactory on all accounts. Clean and concise, the way the Black Panther should be.
Redjack should be writing the Black Panther because there is no logical reason based on his BP track record he doesn't out qualify Coates and Ridley combined on there best comic book Wednesday.
Redjack should be writing the Black Panther based on his credentials as a comic book writer especially when compared to Coates and Ridley's that is unless there is some A.G.E.N.D.A. whose criteria he doesn't meet.
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Isn't this basically what happened, but in reverse order and with fewer steps. Storm does ask for it when she gets there. It's just dumb that they couldn't contact Tchalla to get approval.
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The basics are nowhere near enough. Black Panther requires subtlety, nuance, intrigue and intelligence.
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In Redjack's rendition we get the following.
Storm doesn't confront T'Challa.
T'Challa doesn't deliver any cloying commentary.
T'Challa doesn't have head down eyes wide shut.
Shuri doesn't get defeated.
Confirmation on Wakandan intelligence preparation for wait for it... Omega level mutants.
Confirmation Wakandan security (without T'Challa) can defeat Ororo.
Confirmation that T'Challa the Black Panther is always steps ahead of his enemies, friends and ex-wife.
Basically, we didn't get all this.
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But without the interaction we don't get the pre break up which leads to the full breakup I've been waiting for.
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Redjacks version could still lead to it, it just doesn't come with the insanely toxic gaslighting BS that marvel seems to let Storm get away with, all the while T'Challa is hanging his head and talking about how he is holding her back and other nonsensical garbage.
For them to break up it requires a writer who actually has the guts to do it. Redjack would channel the alpha energy to do so, he has already said as much that he would have then go their separate ways.
Coates and Ridley are betas and their T'Challas come off as betas as well
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Redjacks version could still lead to it, it just doesn't come with the insanely toxic gaslighting BS that marvel seems to let Storm get away with, all the while T'Challa is hanging his head and talking about how he is holding her back and other nonsensical garbage.
For them to break up it requires a writer who actually has the guts to do it. Redjack would channel the alpha energy to do so, he has already said as much that he would have then go their separate ways.
Coates and Ridley are betas and their T'Challas come off as betas as well
Then Priest Panther is a beta as well. When hes around Storm he opens up too. It's the reason Monica knew their relationship was over.
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We don't need a break as much as we need a true reconciliation and healthy relationship between two A level super heroes. T'Challa and Ororo are no more toxic than Bruce Wayne is gay or Bi. It just the whims of the company, editors and writers that make them such. We, the X factor (no pun intended) the fans and enthusiasts as primary consumers also have a major say with both our dollars and social media.
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Redjacks version could still lead to it, it just doesn't come with the insanely toxic gaslighting BS that marvel seems to let Storm get away with, all the while T'Challa is hanging his head and talking about how he is holding her back and other nonsensical garbage.
For them to break up it requires a writer who actually has the guts to do it. Redjack would channel the alpha energy to do so, he has already said as much that he would have then go their separate ways.
Coates and Ridley are betas and their T'Challas come off as betas as well
Then Priest Panther is a beta as well. When hes around Storm he opens up too. It's the reason Monica knew their relationship was over.
No, Priest T'Challa opened up to Storm, but he still had bass in his voice, he Also didn't let her talk to him however he wanted and he hung his head low like a whipped dog.
The difference between Priest and Coates and Ridleys is that they are continuing the trend of Storm being toxic and T'Challa taking and accepting all the blame.
Priest had Storm show genuine concern for T'Challa and mutual respect and love for one another even if they couldn't be together
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We don't need a break as much as we need a true reconciliation and healthy relationship between two A level super heroes. T'Challa and Ororo are no more toxic than Bruce Wayne is gay or Bi. It just the whims of the company, editors and writers that make them such. We, the X factor (no pun intended) the fans and enthusiasts as primary consumers also have a major say with both our dollars and social media.
At this point they need to break up for good. They have literally spent more years trash talking Tchalla about how terrible he is when he had legitimate reasons to end the marriage. Storm continues to take pot shots, be toxic as hell as shown on mauraders and on the recent BP issue.
This relationship has run it's course and marvel clearly doesn't care about making it better. Let him move on, Storm is nothing but a hindrance to T'Challas development as a character and she needs to just go back to x office full time
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Redjacks version could still lead to it, it just doesn't come with the insanely toxic gaslighting BS that marvel seems to let Storm get away with, all the while T'Challa is hanging his head and talking about how he is holding her back and other nonsensical garbage.
For them to break up it requires a writer who actually has the guts to do it. Redjack would channel the alpha energy to do so, he has already said as much that he would have then go their separate ways.
Coates and Ridley are betas and their T'Challas come off as betas as well
Then Priest Panther is a beta as well. When hes around Storm he opens up too. It's the reason Monica knew their relationship was over.
Nice try with the bait and switch CvilleWakandan. Coates and his successor Ridley are the primary offenders. Priest Black Panther opening up to Storm is nowhere close to subordination and acquiesce Coates and Ridley (and others) had T'Challa do to Ororo.
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Y'all sure? This seems pretty beta to me. Lol
Sorry about the qaulity.
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We don't need a break as much as we need a true reconciliation and healthy relationship between two A level super heroes. T'Challa and Ororo are no more toxic than Bruce Wayne is gay or Bi. It just the whims of the company, editors and writers that make them such. We, the X factor (no pun intended) the fans and enthusiasts as primary consumers also have a major say with both our dollars and social media.
At this point they need to break up for good. They have literally spent more years trash talking Tchalla about how terrible he is when he had legitimate reasons to end the marriage. Storm continues to take pot shots, be toxic as hell as shown on mauraders and on the recent BP issue.
This relationship has run it's course and marvel clearly doesn't care about making it better. Let him move on, Storm is nothing but a hindrance to T'Challas development as a character and she needs to just go back to x office full time
Agreed, at this point, it is presented as dysfunctional and that's not the characters fault. That is why we need years of positive interaction where the Black Panther and Storm are shown respecting and loving one another; showing off their stellar and intergalactic influence; and adventuring together from time to time. Think Superman and Wonder Woman.
Marvel editorial and writers are not putting effort into a holistic and beneficial T'Challa and Ororo relationship any more than they are at developing a positive and productive T'Challa the Black Panther and his kingdom of Wakanda. By your reasoning we should just move past T'Challa due to all the baggage placed on him and get ready to embrace Tosin the Vibranium Kid.
I know you don't literally mean such Ezyo. Marvel just has to be influenced to write the Black Panther and Storm (in particular and Afrakan - so called black characters in general) whether in their separate franchises or when they are together with the cultural sensitivity and respect earned by these two A list characters.
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Y'all sure? This seems pretty beta to me. Lol
Sorry about the qaulity.
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Come on cville that is the opposite of beta and you know it lol. That is T'Challa opening about his fears and Ororo reassuring him in a non toxic way. It's actually a really good scene. That's not being a beta.
Coates and Ridleys version was Beta because T'Challa clearly wasn't the only one in the wrong as storm did the Lions share. But it was portrayed as if it was all his fault, he didn't care, he frakked up and he sucks and Storm was just the innocent victim
These aren't even in the same galaxy
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We don't need a break as much as we need a true reconciliation and healthy relationship between two A level super heroes. T'Challa and Ororo are no more toxic than Bruce Wayne is gay or Bi. It just the whims of the company, editors and writers that make them such. We, the X factor (no pun intended) the fans and enthusiasts as primary consumers also have a major say with both our dollars and social media.
At this point they need to break up for good. They have literally spent more years trash talking Tchalla about how terrible he is when he had legitimate reasons to end the marriage. Storm continues to take pot shots, be toxic as hell as shown on mauraders and on the recent BP issue.
This relationship has run it's course and marvel clearly doesn't care about making it better. Let him move on, Storm is nothing but a hindrance to T'Challas development as a character and she needs to just go back to x office full time
Agreed, at this point, it is presented as dysfunctional and that's not the characters fault. That is why we need years of positive interaction where the Black Panther and Storm are shown respecting and loving one another; showing off their stellar and intergalactic influence; and adventuring together from time to time. Think Superman and Wonder Woman.
Marvel editorial and writers are not putting effort into a holistic and beneficial T'Challa and Ororo relationship any more than they are at developing a positive and productive T'Challa the Black Panther and his kingdom of Wakanda. By your reasoning we should just move past T'Challa due to all the baggage placed on him and get ready to embrace Tosin the Vibranium Kid.
I know you don't literally mean such Ezyo. Marvel just has to be influenced to write the Black Panther and Storm (in particular and Afrakan - so called black characters in general) whether in their separate franchises or when they are together with the cultural sensitivity and respect earned by these two A list characters.
Nah, but T'Challa should definitely leave Wakanda for a while and let the palace burn itself to the ground. At this point there's nothing for him. Mindofshadow out it best
,Tchallas defense for using the spies shoulda been...
"Look, they aint even a big deal. Gentle broke after getting looked at wrong, Jhai and Omo couldnt even do wat there told, amd two of them got beat up my no name thugs. They all hate and would disobey me anyway.
So why is this a big deal?"
Even Wakandans super secret best of the best spies suck lol
His spies sucked a d disobeyed
His HZ want him dead
His doras except 1 lead a revolution
His god either hates or doesnt care about him
His friends are all dead
No one wants him as king
Tchalla basically hangs around because his moms lives there lol
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Courtesy of CBR's Redjack
"realism" is a crutch used by people who are new to writing super-hero fiction.
Some fans think they want more realism but, invariably, too much of the real world in super-hero comics makes for some sh*ttier super-hero comics. What they want is to feel the actions of these heroes ring TRUE which is not the same as being REAL.
The base concepts of these heroes and their worlds are just too thin to support too much true realism.
Wakanda is a scifi secret monarchy.
EVERYONE is Wakanda is an olympic level athlete and a near genius level thinker. The ritual of ascension via combat is part faith (Bast smiles on whoever wins and thus is fated by the goddess to rule), part test of combat skills and part contest of wills to see who has the necessary grit to rule. This is why ANYONE is allowed to compete. It's egalitarian without being democratic. The council exists to ADVISE the ruler, not tell him what to do or fight his decisions.
it's not a democracy. they aren't Americans.
nor do they age, speak any real language or stay dead when they're killed.
big 2 super hero comics are about what can be made to seem plausible inside their own universes, not what can be made to match reality more closely.
reality, like nostalgia, kills them.
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This is an excellent summary of the Black Panther and probably why, under its current management, Marvel may not give Redjack an opportunity (which he earned) to write T'Challa the Black Panther. At least not for couple of years to come. Remember regime change do happen, trends play out and a failed A.G.E.N.D.A. is replaced with good old fashioned super hero comic book writing.
HEF Reply #5131 on: April 21, 2021, 10:26:45 pm
In a not at all surprising response, I agree almost entirely with both Redjack and Ture.
Remember, that I was the first and most consistent in arguing that EVERYONE in Wakanda is AT LEAST an Olympic level athlete and AT LEAST a genius level thinker. Why? Because our Outworlder standards for highe end athletes and genius is not even high enough to Wakandans to qualify as trash.
This is actually very much in keeping with reality and the potential of science...especially for a single Empire older than 1 million years.
The notion that Wakandans don't age is ALSO VERY MUCH WITHIN THE RANGE OF SCIENCE. Wakandans have long identified and turned off the "kill me gene" which causes aging and death by progressively destabilizing the DNA helix as we age. Wakandans have long known of, identified, countered and have eradicated all factors leading to genotoxic stress and everything else that can and does lead to aging and death. Science even now knows a good deal about this. Observe:
https://elifesciences.org/articles/62852 (https://elifesciences.org/articles/62852)
This includes conscious transference in a way far superior to that which we see in stories like ALTERED CARBON.
As for being "dead" and "killed"? Well. We'd have to completely redefine those concepts when exposed to the holistic tech which is part of the foundation of Wakanda. We'd really have a major shift in our thoughts about this matter because our current relation to those concepts are rooted in primarily European cultural orientation, fears and ignorance of it. Not an Alkebulan centered approach; and helluva helluva not a "Real Life" Wakanda approach.
Like I repeatedly state: there's a ton of what we know in science right now. And can extrapolate from current science. RIGHT NOW. That makes Wakanda waaaayyyyy more relatable and realistic...but still astonishing...than many scribes believe.
This exact same science...and intersecting branches of science...emphatically proves that The Black Panther's abilities aren't beyond the human. In fact? It's currently difficult to clearly delineate exactly what is and what isn't beyond the human ability to do visavis the powers and abilities of non-cosmic beings, non-other dimensional, etc beings are concerned.
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In cased you missed it Supreme. Curious on your thoughts.
Quote from: Supreme Illuminati on May 29, 2022 at 07:21:20 pm
Alkebulan miscalled "Africa" or "Afrika" [ the term "Afrika" is a ROMAN term, meaning: "land of the Afri {people}", etc
Ahhh, the ole Alkebu-lan is the original name play made popular in our circles by Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan. With all due respect Supreme, Alkebu-lan is an Arabic translation of the Afrakan term Ur Kheb Hu Ta. It was used by Arab influenced Afrakans aka Moors who had been indoctrinated into Arabic culture through the practice of the Islam.
Technically speaking the Arabs took the term Al from ancient Kanana (Canaan; ancient Afrakan civilization now called Palestine). In Kanana, Al is a title of the Creator. In Arabic Al is a definite article which passed into Spanish and was translated as El after the Moorish (Arab influenced Afrakans) invasion.
The root of this term is found in ancient Kamit as Ur which translates in English as great; the great. There was very little to no use of "L" sound in ancient Kamit as there would be in the centuries to follow in Kanana. The rolling ‘R’ sound is translated as an ‘L’ sound particularly in Arabic and Spanish which either incorporated or co-opted the Kamau (indigenous and original inhabitants of Kamit) terms into their own language.
The root word Khebu used in the Arabic term Alkebu-lan is the name of the Neteru (Kamiti term for a male deity) whose divine providence governs in the north of Kamit. This region of Northern Afraka was heavily invaded by the Romans and Arabs and as a result both would incorporate or translate Afrakan terms and names into their languages.
The terms Afer (singular) and Afri (plural) were in fact used by the Romans but did not originate from them. The Romans were introduced to the term after they encountered the Abibiri-fo. That is the name of the ethnic group of Afrakans inhabiting Khart Hadast (later to be mispronounced and renamed as Carthage). Predating this, the terms Afer and Afri were in use in the ancient language of the Kamau of Kamit wherein it defined that which is to be hot; to burn; hot vapor and smoke.
These truths form the foundation of the nomenclature, Alkebu-lan, being used by Afrakans indoctrinated into Arab culture a couple of centuries pass to reference the northern part of the continent of Afraka. Arabized Afrakans were mimicking a corruption transmitted by the Romans and Arabs who invaded the northern part of the mother/father continent known by its indigenous inhabitants as the land of the Al (great) north wind deity Khebu.
The full package is Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Afrakan male/Afratkat female) comes from the languages and Medu (writings) of the indigenous and original peoples of Keneset, Khanit, Kamit, Kush and Punt (Ethiopia, Nubia, Egypt, Sudan and Somalia/Eritrea). These terms and their variants can be found on the Hunefer Sheft (Papyrus of Hunefer) - some 3,300 years old as well as in the Temple of Auset in Paaraka (Pilak, Philae) dating some 2,400 years ago. Africa and Afrika are just misspellings of Afraka which is derived from Afuraka. Afrikaans and Afrikaner are wholesale corruptions that do not require addressing.
Afuraka/Afuraitkait is the origin of the term Africa. All of the purposefully erroneous etymological origins of this sacred name have been developed deliberately to rob Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut of the awareness of our spiritual, mental, biological, geological, cosmological and culturally identity.
Other purposefully defined misnomers lend themselves to the peoples, nations and territories of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) continent. Cammeroon which comes from the Portuguese term Rio dos Camaroe translates as River of Prawns. Its the equivalent of calling one’s self shrimp. Cote d’Ivoire is a French term that translates in English as Ivory Coast. The Afrakanu/Afratkatnut there call themselves Ivorians.
Ethiopia is a misnomer that comes from the Greek’s words ethios which translates as burnt and ops which translates as faces. Here Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) are calling themselves burnt faces. Egypt follows in the same manner. The Greeks create the term Aigyptos based in their sensibilities, which evolved into the name Egypt. It is a misunderstanding, mistranslated and mispronunciation of Het Ka Ptah.
The Central Afrakani/Afratkatnit state, now known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo was once called Zaire which was in fact a Portuguese corruption of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) word Nzere. The name Nigeria comes by way of British journalist Flora Shaw, an advocate of colonial imperialist Cecil Rhodes. It is curious to note that the word Niger is pronounced Nee-shear which belies its spelling. This begs the concern of not only using Afrakani/Afratkatnit names but also using Afrakani/Afratkatnit symbols to comprise the script. The Afrakani/Afratkatnit names of the so-called Niger river, Joliba and Oya seem to be relegated to use only by the culturally centered Afrakanu/Afratkatnut .
Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) using European, Arab or any other non Afrakani/Afratkatnit terminology to define themselves, territories or consuetudes credits the cultural dominance of others. Note the inherent confusion of these names; George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King Jr., Khalid Muhammad or Shaquile O'Neil. Without pictures one might conclude these Afrakanu/Afratkatnut were European, Arab or even some combination there of.
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Over at CBR the Red one had this to say.
I need to take a break from this thread. You all are crushing my heart.
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In cased you missed it Supreme. Curious on your thoughts.
Quote from: Supreme Illuminati on May 29, 2022 at 07:21:20 pm
Alkebulan miscalled "Africa" or "Afrika" [ the term "Afrika" is a ROMAN term, meaning: "land of the Afri {people}", etc
Ahhh, the ole Alkebu-lan is the original name play made popular in our circles by Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan. With all due respect Supreme, Alkebu-lan is an Arabic translation of the Afrakan term Ur Kheb Hu Ta. It was used by Arab influenced Afrakans aka Moors who had been indoctrinated into Arabic culture through the practice of the Islam.
Technically speaking the Arabs took the term Al from ancient Kanana (Canaan; ancient Afrakan civilization now called Palestine). In Kanana, Al is a title of the Creator. In Arabic Al is a definite article which passed into Spanish and was translated as El after the Moorish (Arab influenced Afrakans) invasion.
The root of this term is found in ancient Kamit as Ur which translates in English as great; the great. There was very little to no use of "L" sound in ancient Kamit as there would be in the centuries to follow in Kanana. The rolling ‘R’ sound is translated as an ‘L’ sound particularly in Arabic and Spanish which either incorporated or co-opted the Kamau (indigenous and original inhabitants of Kamit) terms into their own language.
The root word Khebu used in the Arabic term Alkebu-lan is the name of the Neteru (Kamiti term for a male deity) whose divine providence governs in the north of Kamit. This region of Northern Afraka was heavily invaded by the Romans and Arabs and as a result both would incorporate or translate Afrakan terms and names into their languages.
The terms Afer (singular) and Afri (plural) were in fact used by the Romans but did not originate from them. The Romans were introduced to the term after they encountered the Abibiri-fo. That is the name of the ethnic group of Afrakans inhabiting Khart Hadast (later to be mispronounced and renamed as Carthage). Predating this, the terms Afer and Afri were in use in the ancient language of the Kamau of Kamit wherein it defined that which is to be hot; to burn; hot vapor and smoke.
These truths form the foundation of the nomenclature, Alkebu-lan, being used by Afrakans indoctrinated into Arab culture a couple of centuries pass to reference the northern part of the continent of Afraka. Arabized Afrakans were mimicking a corruption transmitted by the Romans and Arabs who invaded the northern part of the mother/father continent known by its indigenous inhabitants as the land of the Al (great) north wind deity Khebu.
The full package is Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Afrakan male/Afratkat female) comes from the languages and Medu (writings) of the indigenous and original peoples of Keneset, Khanit, Kamit, Kush and Punt (Ethiopia, Nubia, Egypt, Sudan and Somalia/Eritrea). These terms and their variants can be found on the Hunefer Sheft (Papyrus of Hunefer) - some 3,300 years old as well as in the Temple of Auset in Paaraka (Pilak, Philae) dating some 2,400 years ago. Africa and Afrika are just misspellings of Afraka which is derived from Afuraka. Afrikaans and Afrikaner are wholesale corruptions that do not require addressing.
Afuraka/Afuraitkait is the origin of the term Africa. All of the purposefully erroneous etymological origins of this sacred name have been developed deliberately to rob Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut of the awareness of our spiritual, mental, biological, geological, cosmological and culturally identity.
Other purposefully defined misnomers lend themselves to the peoples, nations and territories of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) continent. Cammeroon which comes from the Portuguese term Rio dos Camaroe translates as River of Prawns. Its the equivalent of calling one’s self shrimp. Cote d’Ivoire is a French term that translates in English as Ivory Coast. The Afrakanu/Afratkatnut there call themselves Ivorians.
Ethiopia is a misnomer that comes from the Greek’s words ethios which translates as burnt and ops which translates as faces. Here Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) are calling themselves burnt faces. Egypt follows in the same manner. The Greeks create the term Aigyptos based in their sensibilities, which evolved into the name Egypt. It is a misunderstanding, mistranslated and mispronunciation of Het Ka Ptah.
The Central Afrakani/Afratkatnit state, now known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo was once called Zaire which was in fact a Portuguese corruption of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) word Nzere. The name Nigeria comes by way of British journalist Flora Shaw, an advocate of colonial imperialist Cecil Rhodes. It is curious to note that the word Niger is pronounced Nee-shear which belies its spelling. This begs the concern of not only using Afrakani/Afratkatnit names but also using Afrakani/Afratkatnit symbols to comprise the script. The Afrakani/Afratkatnit names of the so-called Niger river, Joliba and Oya seem to be relegated to use only by the culturally centered Afrakanu/Afratkatnut .
Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) using European, Arab or any other non Afrakani/Afratkatnit terminology to define themselves, territories or consuetudes credits the cultural dominance of others. Note the inherent confusion of these names; George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King Jr., Khalid Muhammad or Shaquile O'Neil. Without pictures one might conclude these Afrakanu/Afratkatnut were European, Arab or even some combination there of.
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I just saw this outstanding post, Brother Ture!I agree with and disagree with some of the points above and will show why in comprehensive fashion tomorrow when I return, but I respect every point you made above.
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In cased you missed it Supreme. Curious on your thoughts.
Quote from: Supreme Illuminati on May 29, 2022 at 07:21:20 pm
Alkebulan miscalled "Africa" or "Afrika" [ the term "Afrika" is a ROMAN term, meaning: "land of the Afri {people}", etc
Ahhh, the ole Alkebu-lan is the original name play made popular in our circles by Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan. With all due respect Supreme, Alkebu-lan is an Arabic translation of the Afrakan term Ur Kheb Hu Ta. It was used by Arab influenced Afrakans aka Moors who had been indoctrinated into Arabic culture through the practice of the Islam.
Technically speaking the Arabs took the term Al from ancient Kanana (Canaan; ancient Afrakan civilization now called Palestine). In Kanana, Al is a title of the Creator. In Arabic Al is a definite article which passed into Spanish and was translated as El after the Moorish (Arab influenced Afrakans) invasion.
The root of this term is found in ancient Kamit as Ur which translates in English as great; the great. There was very little to no use of "L" sound in ancient Kamit as there would be in the centuries to follow in Kanana. The rolling ‘R’ sound is translated as an ‘L’ sound particularly in Arabic and Spanish which either incorporated or co-opted the Kamau (indigenous and original inhabitants of Kamit) terms into their own language.
The root word Khebu used in the Arabic term Alkebu-lan is the name of the Neteru (Kamiti term for a male deity) whose divine providence governs in the north of Kamit. This region of Northern Afraka was heavily invaded by the Romans and Arabs and as a result both would incorporate or translate Afrakan terms and names into their languages.
The terms Afer (singular) and Afri (plural) were in fact used by the Romans but did not originate from them. The Romans were introduced to the term after they encountered the Abibiri-fo. That is the name of the ethnic group of Afrakans inhabiting Khart Hadast (later to be mispronounced and renamed as Carthage). Predating this, the terms Afer and Afri were in use in the ancient language of the Kamau of Kamit wherein it defined that which is to be hot; to burn; hot vapor and smoke.
These truths form the foundation of the nomenclature, Alkebu-lan, being used by Afrakans indoctrinated into Arab culture a couple of centuries pass to reference the northern part of the continent of Afraka. Arabized Afrakans were mimicking a corruption transmitted by the Romans and Arabs who invaded the northern part of the mother/father continent known by its indigenous inhabitants as the land of the Al (great) north wind deity Khebu.
The full package is Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Afrakan male/Afratkat female) comes from the languages and Medu (writings) of the indigenous and original peoples of Keneset, Khanit, Kamit, Kush and Punt (Ethiopia, Nubia, Egypt, Sudan and Somalia/Eritrea). These terms and their variants can be found on the Hunefer Sheft (Papyrus of Hunefer) - some 3,300 years old as well as in the Temple of Auset in Paaraka (Pilak, Philae) dating some 2,400 years ago. Africa and Afrika are just misspellings of Afraka which is derived from Afuraka. Afrikaans and Afrikaner are wholesale corruptions that do not require addressing.
Afuraka/Afuraitkait is the origin of the term Africa. All of the purposefully erroneous etymological origins of this sacred name have been developed deliberately to rob Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut of the awareness of our spiritual, mental, biological, geological, cosmological and culturally identity.
Other purposefully defined misnomers lend themselves to the peoples, nations and territories of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) continent. Cammeroon which comes from the Portuguese term Rio dos Camaroe translates as River of Prawns. Its the equivalent of calling one’s self shrimp. Cote d’Ivoire is a French term that translates in English as Ivory Coast. The Afrakanu/Afratkatnut there call themselves Ivorians.
Ethiopia is a misnomer that comes from the Greek’s words ethios which translates as burnt and ops which translates as faces. Here Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) are calling themselves burnt faces. Egypt follows in the same manner. The Greeks create the term Aigyptos based in their sensibilities, which evolved into the name Egypt. It is a misunderstanding, mistranslated and mispronunciation of Het Ka Ptah.
The Central Afrakani/Afratkatnit state, now known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo was once called Zaire which was in fact a Portuguese corruption of the Afrakani/Afratkatnit (Afrakan male/ Afrakan female) word Nzere. The name Nigeria comes by way of British journalist Flora Shaw, an advocate of colonial imperialist Cecil Rhodes. It is curious to note that the word Niger is pronounced Nee-shear which belies its spelling. This begs the concern of not only using Afrakani/Afratkatnit names but also using Afrakani/Afratkatnit symbols to comprise the script. The Afrakani/Afratkatnit names of the so-called Niger river, Joliba and Oya seem to be relegated to use only by the culturally centered Afrakanu/Afratkatnut .
Afrakanu/Afratkatnut (Afrakan men/Afrakan women) using European, Arab or any other non Afrakani/Afratkatnit terminology to define themselves, territories or consuetudes credits the cultural dominance of others. Note the inherent confusion of these names; George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King Jr., Khalid Muhammad or Shaquile O'Neil. Without pictures one might conclude these Afrakanu/Afratkatnut were European, Arab or even some combination there of.
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I just saw this outstanding post, Brother Ture!I agree with and disagree with some of the points above and will show why in comprehensive fashion tomorrow when I return, but I respect every point you made above.
Brother Ture! Thank you for being patient as I ran around here, dealing with real life things, before I had the time to return and craft a response to you.
So, let's talk.
As you might imagine, I am familiar with The Hunefer Papyrus and what SHOULD be our original language expression of [ not the corrupted colonizer equivalent of ] "The Book of Coming Forth by Day and Night" and NOT "The Egyptian Book of The Dead". I don't see the terms you're specifying regarding Afuraka and Afuraitkait. Could you specify where in these works the terms you're referring to are?
That'd be much appreciated. Thanks.
"Ahhh, the ole Alkebu-lan is the original name play made popular in our circles by Dr Yosef Ben-Jochannan. With all due respect Supreme, Alkebu-lan is an Arabic translation of the Afrakan term Ur Kheb Hu Ta. It was used by Arab influenced Afrakans aka Moors who had been indoctrinated into Arabic culture through the practice of the Islam."
I actually got the Alkebu-lan translation from the inimitable Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, whose peerless scholarship has changed the world. In the book called "THE KEMETIC HISTORY OF AFRIKA", Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop is credited for the rediscovery and repropagation of the ancient name of Alkebulan. I am aware of some of the arguments that the Arab influenced Afrakans who are primarily comprised of the Lamtuna and Godala from whom I am descended [ along with and most especially from people like the Igbo and Kongo ]. I must honestly say that I never heard of Ur Kheb Hu Ta. Who originated the research rediscovering this name? Do you have links to his/her/their research?
I confess that some of the terminology you use is new to me. The only connections I know regarding the words you use are to the works of a brutha named: ""Odwirafo Kwesi Ra Nehem Ptah Akhan". I can't find a single word of his more singular assertions regarding Afrakani don't know what his level of expertise or education is, and I haven't seen him present any data or proofs for his conclusions [ like I have seen Dr. Cheikh Ante Diop, Dr. Chancellor Williams, Dr. Ivan van Sertima, Dr. Ruonoka Rashidi, and yes Dr. Ben do in thoroughgoing, overwhelming fashion...plus many other staggering luminaries like our Brother Dr. Carr and our Sister Professor Hunter ], but the virtually 100% identical arguments that you and Brother Odwirafo put forth I find to be interesting. Do you know the brutha Odwirafo?
I have not been able to uncover any evidence objectively verifying or even remotely suggesting the terms that the Brother Odwirafo uses are true and accurate original terms, except for those already established by trailblazing experts who did the fieldwork for our people and presented the data prior to Brother Odwirafo. His comments about Hikuptah or Het Ka Ptah were predated by decades by Dr. Chancellor Williams and others. So too were the comments about Nzere...which means "the river to swallow all rivers"...and the idiot Portuguese misunderstanding the term "Nzere" and compounding their arrogant heedless stupidity by calling Kongo by the name of "Zaire". This misinderstanding, misinterpretation, arrogance, and insulting behavior by the colonizers has millinea of precedence, all of which predate Brother Odwirafo's current revelations. "Ethiopia" basically meaning "burnt faces". And the origins of the name of Cameroon...where my mother's Godala ethnic link still exists...has long been known. This is in no way a slam on the brother Odwirafo; I'm actually giving him his flowers for doing his research.
But I don't see how his seemingly original conclusions about names like Afurakani, etc, could be in any way valid without original groundbreaking fieldwork done in the Motherland and elsewhere. Such original, comprehensive fieldwork must be documented appropriately, in order to make his conclusions into the remarkable, history re-writing, hate-proof treatises they have every potential of being if what you say about the Brother is even remotely accurate.
However.
Without this rigorous documentation and objectivity. Without the high quality and fidelity shown in every iota of research that his ocean changing assertions would require of the rest of us, and which I would welcome. Or without his use of terms like Afurakani and their meanings being established beforehand by irrefutable evidence which he supplies or at least have his assertions as being corroborated by the fieldwork and painstaking investigations of other outstanding scholars [ preferably our own ]. I personally cannot believe or defend his opinions, however much I may or may not like to do so. Nor can I accept your assertions about the terms and history you used as facts until I see these facts thoroughly detailed and laid out before me, my Brother Ture.
Until such time as I see comprehensive objective data, research, and proofs regarding the definitions etc that you used above that stray from the already established proofs recovered from the malicious miseducation and deliberately evil activity of European and Arabic miseducation and indoctrination systems, my current opinions will remain.
I really hope you find that data. I'm looking for it as I pursue my own doctorates...
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Greetings Brother Supreme! I too must thank you for your patience as it has taken me awhile to respond to your post. I must admit to enjoying these styles of discourse, the sharing of information, the camaraderie and mutual respect for truth and knowledge. Ok, read your post and here's what I got.
I confess that some of the terminology you use is new to me. The only connections I know regarding the words you use are to the works of a brutha named: ""Odwirafo Kwesi Ra Nehem Ptah Akhan". I can't find a single word of his more singular assertions regarding Afrakani don't know what his level of expertise or education is, and I haven't seen him present any data or proofs for his conclusions [ like I have seen Dr. Cheikh Ante Diop, Dr. Chancellor Williams, Dr. Ivan van Sertima, Dr. Ruonoka Rashidi, and yes Dr. Ben do in thoroughgoing, overwhelming fashion...plus many other staggering luminaries like our Brother Dr. Carr and our Sister Professor Hunter ], but the virtually 100% identical arguments that you and Brother Odwirafo put forth I find to be interesting. Do you know the brutha Odwirafo?
Ahh, the good ole Google search. I guess if it is not googlable then it must not exist. I would suggest going off-line and looking into some Medu language books. You can start with An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary : With an Index of English Words, King List, and Geographical List with Indexes, List of Hieroglyphic Characters, Coptic and Semitic Alphabets (Vol 1 and 2) by E. A. Wallis Budge. OK, I know he is a white man but not only does he give you the actual Medu (hieroglyph) and translation, he also gives the transliteration. Add to that it is available on line.
I said Alkebulan was made popular in our circles by Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan when it started to gain traction during the Afrocentric movement which started in the mid 1980's. I saw it being used in Professor Haki R. Madhubuti's Enemies - The Clash of Races page 46, on page 247 he cites Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan as the source; Dr. Ed Robinson and PAFO's book Journey of the Songhai People on pages 15,22, 72, 370 and they too cite Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan on page 277; Mfundishi Maasi and Mfundishi Hassan K. Salim in their work Kupigana Ngumi use Alkebulan on pages xiii,xxii and again on page 202 where they credit Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan.
I had the opportunity to meet and discuss the term Alkebulan with the late Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan at University of Pennsylvania in 1992. I asked him what verifiable evidence is presented on the term Alkebulan being the original name? He told me that the name Alkebulan is Manchean from Ethiopia, meaning Land of the Spirit People. That was all I was able to get from him.
I had talks with Dr. Molefi Asante on multiple occasions; I conversed with Dr John Henrik Clarke several times and even interviewed him on my radio show; Hung out with Dr. Asa G. Hilliard while we were in Philly; Dr Marimba Ani and I talked after her lecture; and Dr. Carr visited the school my cousin owned, where he and I debated what is Afrakan centered education. Much of the discourse I had with the aforementioned doctors of Afrakan culture centered on who and what is Afrakan and how do we define such? During those occasions I did not receive any evidence substantiating the claim that Alkebulan was indigenous or an original name for Afraka.
The imitable Dr Cheikh Anta Diop is said to have written in the work THE KEMETIC HISTORY OF AFRIKA that “The ancient name of Africa was Alkebulan. Alkebu-lan “mother of mankind” or “garden of Eden”.” Alkebulan is the oldest and the only word of indigenous origin. It was used by the Moors, Nubians, Numidians, Khart-Haddans (Carthagenians), and Ethiopians. Africa, the current misnomer adopted by almost everyone today, was given to this continent by the ancient Greeks and Romans.”
Notice that Dr Diop stated the name Alkebulan was used by Moors, Nubians, Numidians, Khart-Haddans (Carthagenians), and Ethiopians, some of whom as I pointed out, are themselves using pseudonyms imposed on them by non Afrakans, particularly Arab people with regards to the Moors. The ancient Greeks and Romans are to be no more credited than the Arabs in the naming of the mother/father continent. The usage of the term Afraka precedes both Greek and Roman invasions of Kamit.
Gerald Massey in his 1881 publication A Book of the Beginnings, Vol .1, p. 28 said that Africa comes from the Egyptian afru-ika, which meant ‘toward the opening of Ka (the eternal universal energy in ancient Egyptian culture)’. Massey went on to say that this translation refers to the Afrakan continent having given life to all – thus the birthplace or motherland.
J.A. Rogers in his 1934 publication 100 Amazing Facts about the Negro with Complete Proof stated on page 14, number 91 that Africa comes from the ancient Egyptian Af-rui-ka. Some decades later Dr. Charles Finch would echo these same sentiments.
Motosoko Pheko, of Lesotho and South Africa, in his book Who Are The Africans? - Indigenous Names and Identity wrote the following - “Africa is also one of the oldest name of names of this continent.” He further argues that the thought that claims that the name Africa never originated from the people and was created by the Romans is totally false. He buttresses his point by indicating that the Greeks occupied Africa in 332 BC, followed by the Romans in 30 BC. The Greeks according to him, already knew Africa with the name Africa. He adds that the name Africa had various pronunciation due to Africa’s diversity in language. It is estimated that there are over 6,000 languages in the world and over 3,000 of them are from Africa. In his essay, he writes “Greeks had earlier called Africa ‘Aphrike’ as they could not pronounce the existing name Af-Rui-ka”.
https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/motsoko-pheko (https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/motsoko-pheko)
Yet still, I can show you better than tell you.
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While the phonetics remain fairly consistent, Africa is derived from Afraka which is a variation of Afuraka which is derived from Auf Hr Kai. The Hu Nefer Shefet (Hunefer papyrus) above, has the Medu (word) Auf Hr Kai in Chapter 17, section 5. That would be the two columns beneath the man doing divination, sitting under a green arch, in the first two columns from the left. Starting with the bottom seven Medutu in the first column under the left arm of the arch to the first top five Medutu in the second column under the chair.
A quick google search reveals...
(type in how old is the hunefer papyrus)
the Papyrus of Hunefer was found in the tomb of the scribe Hunefer in Thebes. It dates from the 19th Dynasty, about 1285 BCE.
(type in when did the greeks invade egypt)
332 BCE In the autumn of 332 BCE Alexander the Great invaded Egypt with his mixed army of Macedonians and Greeks and found the Egyptians ready to throw off the oppressive control of the Persians. Alexander was welcomed by the Egyptians as a liberator and took the country without a battle.
(type in when did the romans invade egypt)
30 BCE Civil war amongst the Ptolemies and the death of Cleopatra, the last reigning ruler of Ptolemaic Egypt, lead to the conquest and annexation of Egypt by the Roman Empire in 30 BCE.
Ur Kheb Hu Ta comes from Ur Kheb Hu, which in fact Brother Odwirafo (whom I am acquainted with) put forth. Here are some of his source material. (note the suffix Ta is added on to denote land)
Let the Ancestors Speak, by Ankh Mi Ra
Sheft Ameni, Papyrus of Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor
Shabaka Text (Memphite Theology)
Sheft of Ra and Auset (Legend of Ra and Auset)
Piankhi (Piye) “Victory Stele”
Apet Asut (Temple of Karnak)
Tomb of Seti (Tomb of Seti; Litany of Ra)
Paraakat (Sanctuary/Temple of Auset in Philae)
I have not been able to uncover any evidence objectively verifying or even remotely suggesting the terms that the Brother Odwirafo uses are true and accurate original terms, except for those already established by trailblazing experts who did the fieldwork for our people and presented the data prior to Brother Odwirafo. His comments about Hikuptah or Het Ka Ptah were predated by decades by Dr. Chancellor Williams and others. So too were the comments about Nzere...which means "the river to swallow all rivers"...and the idiot Portuguese misunderstanding the term "Nzere" and compounding their arrogant heedless stupidity by calling Kongo by the name of "Zaire". This misinderstanding, misinterpretation, arrogance, and insulting behavior by the colonizers has millinea of precedence, all of which predate Brother Odwirafo's current revelations. "Ethiopia" basically meaning "burnt faces". And the origins of the name of Cameroon...where my mother's Godala ethnic link still exists...has long been known. This is in no way a slam on the brother Odwirafo; I'm actually giving him his flowers for doing his research.
I agree with some of your sentiments, particularly those I highlighted in red. Brother Odwirafo is far from new to this and has been around for decades.
But I don't see how his seemingly original conclusions about names like Afurakani, etc, could be in any way valid without original groundbreaking fieldwork done in the Motherland and elsewhere. Such original, comprehensive fieldwork must be documented appropriately, in order to make his conclusions into the remarkable, history re-writing, hate-proof treatises they have every potential of being if what you say about the Brother is even remotely accurate.
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Indeed, give the Brother his flowers. He is putting in the work. Odwirafo has authored 31 books with more to come. He teaches classes and hosts multiple conferences throughout the year. Like his predecessors and contemporaries Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan, Dr. Asa G. Hilliard, Ashra Kwesi and Anthony T. Browder, Brother Odwirafo takes those willing to go with him to Kamit, where they can learn and study first hand. Pictured above is Odwirafo with six of his students on a trip to Kamit just weeks ago.
In conclusion, allow me to bring this discussion back to it original concern... that being Afraka vs Alkebulan. I have presented data that can be tested for its veracity that the term Afraka has its linguistic origins in Kamit. I presented a way via Budge's Hieroglyphic dictionary to translate the Medu so you can do your own research. As requested I provided Odwirafo's source material and proof that he is doing original, groundbreaking, fieldwork in the Motherland. I gave proof that the Hu Nefer Shefet use of the term Auf Hr Kai predates by near millennia the Greek and Roman invasions of Kamit thus supplanting their claim to the term Africa.
Now Brother Supreme it is your turn to provide rigorous documentation objectively proofing Alkebulan is indigenous and original. You must deliver the high quality and fidelity research that comprehensively presents data and proofs regarding Alkebulan's origin sans Asian, Arab or European confluence.
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this is why calls for me to take over the book are misguided.
there's no way I would accept to continue with any of this stuff and no way that I see Marvel deviating from the chosen course.
things happen but... y'know... it might be better to just do my own. July 1, 2022 @12:59 PM
there's what I would do and there's what I'd be allowed to do. I'm not sure either of us wants that second one.July 1, 2022 @05:45 PM PM
Originally Posted by Ezyo1000
I dunno RJ, I feel like even if you forced to go a deconstruction route, you would do so without making T'Challa look like a complete incompetent fool who hangs hos head in shame all the time.
no chance, that's true.
It's possible to write a story on which T'Challa may take some losses at the end but still looks competent in the process.
yep. more than possible. some people have actually accomplished this. that said, heroes do need to get their asses whipped so they can come back.
No way do I believe that if you were writing the current story, even with editor mandates wanting the story to head a direction that ends with T'Challa stripped of his titles, you could do so while still making him a badass and have the titles end on his terms
I believe there's a way to make nearly everyone happy (except Storm fans, sadly. She's an anchor that needs to be out of the Panther story except for RARE special occasions.) but, again, I'm 99.9999999999999% sure they'd never let me do it. Even if we started strong, halfway through, somebody high up would give some mandate that would f*ck it up.
Still, one never knows...
Without being critical of any other creator, I agree with the sprit of what your'e saying here.
T'Challa was a b-lister whom Priest ALONE elevated to ICON status. ALONE.
Now the he's there, he should stay there. It's neither difficult nor corruptive to elevate Shuri to a similar status. We did it on our show and it can EASILY be done in the comics without punking out anyone. Wakanda, like a lot of Lee/Kirby creations like New Genesis, Asgard etc. is, just another Hidden Utopia and should be presented as such. Civil wars in Wakanda are antithetical to the concept of its existence and ultimately cancerous to the overall concept. As we've seen over the last few years. Wakanda is considerably worse than it was when we met it and that's due to company edict. Nothing can happen in the comics that isn't signed off on by management. Nothing.
While, as an American, monarchies are like acid on my skin, ASGARD isn't and should not be a Western style democracy and Wakanda shouldn't be either. There should be tension between the high council and the Royals but there should be Royals. Just as there are in Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, etc. These are NOT documentaries about Real Africa and the further you push Wakanada towards the reality of modern and especially past Africa, the more you corrupt its essential conceptual base, its core. Nothing should happen in any super-hero comic that doesn't ultimately push the focus of that comic to further greatness and I'm not talking about the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda.
The focus of the Black Panther is, wait for it, the Black Panther. it's right there in the title.
I definitely have a fix that would make nearly the whole audience happy, set Wakanda's politics into a reasonable space. give honor to its past and smack it for its sins, honor most of the continuity (even the stuff I hate) but here are the drawbacks:
it would take three years to do it. Marvel would need to commit to it and STICK to that commitment and I'd need to have ONE artistic partner for each of the three arcs.
NONE of that is going to happen. I'm not even pitching the idea to them because it's highly likely they'll say no but still pick out the cool bits and throw them into whatever story arc is being told by someone else.
Nope to all of that.
I'm not trying to be a buzzkill. All writers are different and want to tell different sorts of stories, even using the same sets of characters. ALL of these takes are valid, even when I disagree with them. If Marvel asks me to do BP one-shots I'll always show up for them because they can be "movies" that begin and end and don't have to worry about existing storylines. Outside that, I just don't see how Marvel will ever let me do what clearly needs to be done.
So, I'll be over here, working on Blood Syndicate (which, incidentally, is about to BLOW THE f*ck UP.).
As the master said, "Be Like Water."
As Mr. Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want. But, if you try, sometimes, you just may find you get what you need."
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this is why calls for me to take over the book are misguided.
there's no way I would accept to continue with any of this stuff and no way that I see Marvel deviating from the chosen course.
things happen but... y'know... it might be better to just do my own. July 1, 2022 @12:59 PM
there's what I would do and there's what I'd be allowed to do. I'm not sure either of us wants that second one.July 1, 2022 @05:45 PM PM
Originally Posted by Ezyo1000
I dunno RJ, I feel like even if you forced to go a deconstruction route, you would do so without making T'Challa look like a complete incompetent fool who hangs hos head in shame all the time.
no chance, that's true.
It's possible to write a story on which T'Challa may take some losses at the end but still looks competent in the process.
yep. more than possible. some people have actually accomplished this. that said, heroes do need to get their asses whipped so they can come back.
No way do I believe that if you were writing the current story, even with editor mandates wanting the story to head a direction that ends with T'Challa stripped of his titles, you could do so while still making him a badass and have the titles end on his terms
I believe there's a way to make nearly everyone happy (except Storm fans, sadly. She's an anchor that needs to be out of the Panther story except for RARE special occasions.) but, again, I'm 99.9999999999999% sure they'd never let me do it. Even if we started strong, halfway through, somebody high up would give some mandate that would f*ck it up.
Still, one never knows...
Without being critical of any other creator, I agree with the sprit of what your'e saying here.
T'Challa was a b-lister whom Priest ALONE elevated to ICON status. ALONE.
Now the he's there, he should stay there. It's neither difficult nor corruptive to elevate Shuri to a similar status. We did it on our show and it can EASILY be done in the comics without punking out anyone. Wakanda, like a lot of Lee/Kirby creations like New Genesis, Asgard etc. is, just another Hidden Utopia and should be presented as such. Civil wars in Wakanda are antithetical to the concept of its existence and ultimately cancerous to the overall concept. As we've seen over the last few years. Wakanda is considerably worse than it was when we met it and that's due to company edict. Nothing can happen in the comics that isn't signed off on by management. Nothing.
While, as an American, monarchies are like acid on my skin, ASGARD isn't and should not be a Western style democracy and Wakanda shouldn't be either. There should be tension between the high council and the Royals but there should be Royals. Just as there are in Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, etc. These are NOT documentaries about Real Africa and the further you push Wakanada towards the reality of modern and especially past Africa, the more you corrupt its essential conceptual base, its core. Nothing should happen in any super-hero comic that doesn't ultimately push the focus of that comic to further greatness and I'm not talking about the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda.
The focus of the Black Panther is, wait for it, the Black Panther. it's right there in the title.
I definitely have a fix that would make nearly the whole audience happy, set Wakanda's politics into a reasonable space. give honor to its past and smack it for its sins, honor most of the continuity (even the stuff I hate) but here are the drawbacks:
it would take three years to do it. Marvel would need to commit to it and STICK to that commitment and I'd need to have ONE artistic partner for each of the three arcs.
NONE of that is going to happen. I'm not even pitching the idea to them because it's highly likely they'll say no but still pick out the cool bits and throw them into whatever story arc is being told by someone else.
Nope to all of that.
I'm not trying to be a buzzkill. All writers are different and want to tell different sorts of stories, even using the same sets of characters. ALL of these takes are valid, even when I disagree with them. If Marvel asks me to do BP one-shots I'll always show up for them because they can be "movies" that begin and end and don't have to worry about existing storylines. Outside that, I just don't see how Marvel will ever let me do what clearly needs to be done.
So, I'll be over here, working on Blood Syndicate (which, incidentally, is about to BLOW THE f*ck UP.).
As the master said, "Be Like Water."
As Mr. Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want. But, if you try, sometimes, you just may find you get what you need."
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All Hail Redjack...
...and let's buy the hell outta his Blood Syndicate!! *shout out and infinite eternal respect to and for Dwayne McDuffie, who's the one who brought Blood Syndicate to my attention*
I'm heading over to DC now, y'all. It's gonna be Blood Syndicate and Nightwing for me.
Yo, Redjack! Who's in your Blood Syndicate? How are they the same as or different from the OG Syndicate? EDIT: I just read that I'm two months behind you, Redjack, with Blood Syndicate already unleashed in May.
https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2022/02/10/blood-syndicate-returns-to-the-dakotaverse-this-may-in-an-all-new-limited-series (https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2022/02/10/blood-syndicate-returns-to-the-dakotaverse-this-may-in-an-all-new-limited-series)
I haven't been in a comic shop in too long. I'm definitely getting the joints I missed and all the rest of the issues. Hope sales are doing well enough to justify an ongoing...
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Greetings Brother Supreme! I too must thank you for your patience as it has taken me awhile to respond to your post. I must admit to enjoying these styles of discourse, the sharing of information, the camaraderie and mutual respect for truth and knowledge. Ok, read your post and here's what I got.
I confess that some of the terminology you use is new to me. The only connections I know regarding the words you use are to the works of a brutha named: ""Odwirafo Kwesi Ra Nehem Ptah Akhan". I can't find a single word of his more singular assertions regarding Afrakani don't know what his level of expertise or education is, and I haven't seen him present any data or proofs for his conclusions [ like I have seen Dr. Cheikh Ante Diop, Dr. Chancellor Williams, Dr. Ivan van Sertima, Dr. Ruonoka Rashidi, and yes Dr. Ben do in thoroughgoing, overwhelming fashion...plus many other staggering luminaries like our Brother Dr. Carr and our Sister Professor Hunter ], but the virtually 100% identical arguments that you and Brother Odwirafo put forth I find to be interesting. Do you know the brutha Odwirafo?
Ahh, the good ole Google search. I guess if it is not googlable then it must not exist. I would suggest going off-line and looking into some Medu language books. You can start with An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary : With an Index of English Words, King List, and Geographical List with Indexes, List of Hieroglyphic Characters, Coptic and Semitic Alphabets (Vol 1 and 2) by E. A. Wallis Budge. OK, I know he is a white man but not only does he give you the actual Medu (hieroglyph) and translation, he also gives the transliteration. Add to that it is available on line.
I said Alkebulan was made popular in our circles by Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan when it started to gain traction during the Afrocentric movement which started in the mid 1980's. I saw it being used in Professor Haki R. Madhubuti's Enemies - The Clash of Races page 46, on page 247 he cites Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan as the source; Dr. Ed Robinson and PAFO's book Journey of the Songhai People on pages 15,22, 72, 370 and they too cite Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan on page 277; Mfundishi Maasi and Mfundishi Hassan K. Salim in their work Kupigana Ngumi use Alkebulan on pages xiii,xxii and again on page 202 where they credit Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan.
I had the opportunity to meet and discuss the term Alkebulan with the late Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan at University of Pennsylvania in 1992. I asked him what verifiable evidence is presented on the term Alkebulan being the original name? He told me that the name Alkebulan is Manchean from Ethiopia, meaning Land of the Spirit People. That was all I was able to get from him.
I had talks with Dr. Molefi Asante on multiple occasions; I conversed with Dr John Henrik Clarke several times and even interviewed him on my radio show; Hung out with Dr. Asa G. Hilliard while we were in Philly; Dr Marimba Ani and I talked after her lecture; and Dr. Carr visited the school my cousin owned, where he and I debated what is Afrakan centered education. Much of the discourse I had with the aforementioned doctors of Afrakan culture centered on who and what is Afrakan and how do we define such? During those occasions I did not receive any evidence substantiating the claim that Alkebulan was indigenous or an original name for Afraka.
The imitable Dr Cheikh Anta Diop is said to have written in the work THE KEMETIC HISTORY OF AFRIKA that “The ancient name of Africa was Alkebulan. Alkebu-lan “mother of mankind” or “garden of Eden”.” Alkebulan is the oldest and the only word of indigenous origin. It was used by the Moors, Nubians, Numidians, Khart-Haddans (Carthagenians), and Ethiopians. Africa, the current misnomer adopted by almost everyone today, was given to this continent by the ancient Greeks and Romans.”
Notice that Dr Diop stated the name Alkebulan was used by Moors, Nubians, Numidians, Khart-Haddans (Carthagenians), and Ethiopians, some of whom as I pointed out, are themselves using pseudonyms imposed on them by non Afrakans, particularly Arab people with regards to the Moors. The ancient Greeks and Romans are to be no more credited than the Arabs in the naming of the mother/father continent. The usage of the term Afraka precedes both Greek and Roman invasions of Kamit.
Gerald Massey in his 1881 publication A Book of the Beginnings, Vol .1, p. 28 said that Africa comes from the Egyptian afru-ika, which meant ‘toward the opening of Ka (the eternal universal energy in ancient Egyptian culture)’. Massey went on to say that this translation refers to the Afrakan continent having given life to all – thus the birthplace or motherland.
J.A. Rogers in his 1934 publication 100 Amazing Facts about the Negro with Complete Proof stated on page 14, number 91 that Africa comes from the ancient Egyptian Af-rui-ka. Some decades later Dr. Charles Finch would echo these same sentiments.
Motosoko Pheko, of Lesotho and South Africa, in his book Who Are The Africans? - Indigenous Names and Identity wrote the following - “Africa is also one of the oldest name of names of this continent.” He further argues that the thought that claims that the name Africa never originated from the people and was created by the Romans is totally false. He buttresses his point by indicating that the Greeks occupied Africa in 332 BC, followed by the Romans in 30 BC. The Greeks according to him, already knew Africa with the name Africa. He adds that the name Africa had various pronunciation due to Africa’s diversity in language. It is estimated that there are over 6,000 languages in the world and over 3,000 of them are from Africa. In his essay, he writes “Greeks had earlier called Africa ‘Aphrike’ as they could not pronounce the existing name Af-Rui-ka”.
https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/motsoko-pheko (https://www.sahistory.org.za/people/motsoko-pheko)
Yet still, I can show you better than tell you.
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While the phonetics remain fairly consistent, Africa is derived from Afraka which is a variation of Afuraka which is derived from Auf Hr Kai. The Hu Nefer Shefet (Hunefer papyrus) above, has the Medu (word) Auf Hr Kai in Chapter 17, section 5. That would be the two columns beneath the man doing divination, sitting under a green arch, in the first two columns from the left. Starting with the bottom seven Medutu in the first column under the left arm of the arch to the first top five Medutu in the second column under the chair.
A quick google search reveals...
(type in how old is the hunefer papyrus)
the Papyrus of Hunefer was found in the tomb of the scribe Hunefer in Thebes. It dates from the 19th Dynasty, about 1285 BCE.
(type in when did the greeks invade egypt)
332 BCE In the autumn of 332 BCE Alexander the Great invaded Egypt with his mixed army of Macedonians and Greeks and found the Egyptians ready to throw off the oppressive control of the Persians. Alexander was welcomed by the Egyptians as a liberator and took the country without a battle.
(type in when did the romans invade egypt)
30 BCE Civil war amongst the Ptolemies and the death of Cleopatra, the last reigning ruler of Ptolemaic Egypt, lead to the conquest and annexation of Egypt by the Roman Empire in 30 BCE.
Ur Kheb Hu Ta comes from Ur Kheb Hu, which in fact Brother Odwirafo (whom I am acquainted with) put forth. Here are some of his source material. (note the suffix Ta is added on to denote land)
Let the Ancestors Speak, by Ankh Mi Ra
Sheft Ameni, Papyrus of Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor
Shabaka Text (Memphite Theology)
Sheft of Ra and Auset (Legend of Ra and Auset)
Piankhi (Piye) “Victory Stele”
Apet Asut (Temple of Karnak)
Tomb of Seti (Tomb of Seti; Litany of Ra)
Paraakat (Sanctuary/Temple of Auset in Philae)
I have not been able to uncover any evidence objectively verifying or even remotely suggesting the terms that the Brother Odwirafo uses are true and accurate original terms, except for those already established by trailblazing experts who did the fieldwork for our people and presented the data prior to Brother Odwirafo. His comments about Hikuptah or Het Ka Ptah were predated by decades by Dr. Chancellor Williams and others. So too were the comments about Nzere...which means "the river to swallow all rivers"...and the idiot Portuguese misunderstanding the term "Nzere" and compounding their arrogant heedless stupidity by calling Kongo by the name of "Zaire". This misinderstanding, misinterpretation, arrogance, and insulting behavior by the colonizers has millinea of precedence, all of which predate Brother Odwirafo's current revelations. "Ethiopia" basically meaning "burnt faces". And the origins of the name of Cameroon...where my mother's Godala ethnic link still exists...has long been known. This is in no way a slam on the brother Odwirafo; I'm actually giving him his flowers for doing his research.
I agree with some of your sentiments, particularly those I highlighted in red. Brother Odwirafo is far from new to this and has been around for decades.
But I don't see how his seemingly original conclusions about names like Afurakani, etc, could be in any way valid without original groundbreaking fieldwork done in the Motherland and elsewhere. Such original, comprehensive fieldwork must be documented appropriately, in order to make his conclusions into the remarkable, history re-writing, hate-proof treatises they have every potential of being if what you say about the Brother is even remotely accurate.
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Indeed, give the Brother his flowers. He is putting in the work. Odwirafo has authored 31 books with more to come. He teaches classes and hosts multiple conferences throughout the year. Like his predecessors and contemporaries Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan, Dr. Asa G. Hilliard, Ashra Kwesi and Anthony T. Browder, Brother Odwirafo takes those willing to go with him to Kamit, where they can learn and study first hand. Pictured above is Odwirafo with six of his students on a trip to Kamit just weeks ago.
In conclusion, allow me to bring this discussion back to it original concern... that being Afraka vs Alkebulan. I have presented data that can be tested for its veracity that the term Afraka has its linguistic origins in Kamit. I presented a way via Budge's Hieroglyphic dictionary to translate the Medu so you can do your own research. As requested I provided Odwirafo's source material and proof that he is doing original, groundbreaking, fieldwork in the Motherland. I gave proof that the Hu Nefer Shefet use of the term Auf Hr Kai predates by near millennia the Greek and Roman invasions of Kamit thus supplanting their claim to the term Africa.
Now Brother Supreme it is your turn to provide rigorous documentation objectively proofing Alkebulan is indigenous and original. You must deliver the high quality and fidelity research that comprehensively presents data and proofs regarding Alkebulan's origin sans Asian, Arab or European confluence.
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Brother Ture, this is probably the most powerful and well written post I have seen you write...definitely recently, perhaps even the whole time I've "known" you onsite. I haven't forgotten this post, and I definitely. Definitely. Intend to respond. Thank you for sharing all that information above.
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As I stated earlier, Brother Supreme I thoroughly enjoy sharing knowledge and exchanging information as well as points of view with someone of your caliber. Your posts reflect your seriousness with regards to Afrakan culture and people not to mention the reason why we all post here. Thank you again for your commentary and I look forward to seeing what you put forth.
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it's hard because, IMO at least, all of everyone writing and drawing these things is a fan too. But we don't own them and we're never driving the car without the Hand of Marvel (or DC) and whatever the company wants for the franchise (sometimes not actually told to us) on the wheel too.
I had actually written out a couple of lines of what I wanted to do for T'Challa and Shuri here in this post but I scrubbed it because I still have a tiny glimmer of hope I'll get to write some of it, some way, some day.
But, based on what the company obviously wants (nothing gets published they don't want) I'm pretty sure my pitches wouldn't fly. What I'm hoping for is to get to do a few more out-of-continuity one-shots or mini series that don't connect to whatever's going on in the main book. Not knocking whatever another writer's doing but none of it, for the last few years, is anywhere near what I'd do.
I do feel bothered by that sometimes (which is odd, considering how long I've been doing this job. You'd think I'd be more stoic about it.) but, end of the day, it may take several massive failures, both in the comics and in the movies for the company to rethink their aims for this part of the marvel universe.
Not sure I see either of those things happening.
Glad you're digging Blood Syndicate. #3 is going to be sick.
Maybe Storm. MAYBE.
otherwise, the best you'll get is a black female lead on a team book.
Originally Posted by DigiCom View Post
Have you ever considered pitching a consistent What-If? Sort of like what Leah Williams did with her What-If: Magik and Doctor Strange: The End?
No but I did float the idea of continuing the PANTHER'S QUEST universe in comic book form with me as the writer. Hard pass.
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I think WS only ever fought Cap for about five minutes with Cap going full out. After the big reveal Cap was holding back in every fight because he was trying to save Bucky. By contrast, WS was going for the kill in every fight, every time.
WS is a second stringer compaired to cap and only gets over on him because Cap's not trying too kill anybody.
Cap and T'Challa are EQUAL as fighters and as enhanced humans. The difference between them is T'Challa WILL go for the kill stroke when he deems it necessary.
Any imbalance in their abilities you see in the movies that favors WS is because the movies aren't ever about putting a Black guy over a white guy if there's any way to avoid that. And there's usually a way.
Ant Man beat up Falcon.
As I said. The movies will never let a black guy be better than a white guy if they can avoid it. Equal is the best you'll get most of the time. The only white guys who are worse than black guys are SO much worse than the black guy that it's not even a fight. Check out Ross (joke character) and Klaw (joke villain). Contrast them ith their comic book counterparts. Well, Ross was always kind of a joke.
Well, that presupposes the Dora are regular humans. Remember, when it seemed there might be a conflict between the Widow (an enhanced being) and Ayo, a Dora, T'Challa was amused meaning he ASSUMES a Dora victory against an enhanced human. The Widow is basically the Winter Soldier without the bionics.
If there were no super beings on earth, they would be considered super beings. Wakandans are all (IMO) apex human specimens and the Dora are the best of them. The only superior fighter in the Kingdom would be the Black Panther him or herself.
IOW: Showing the Dora, so far, has been correct. T'CHALLA'S battles skills fluctuate depending on who he's fighting and who the film makers want to show as better. BP = CAP. WS is second tier WITH his arm. Without it? He wouldn't be able to take Iron Fist or Shang Chi, the Hand or any Dora Milaje.
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Wakanda is an African utopia.
The Black Panther is its ruler.
There has not been a tyrannical ruler in Wakanda in living memory.
The end.
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Redjack
Wakanda is an African utopia.
The Black Panther is its ruler.
There has not been a tyrannical ruler in Wakanda in living memory.
The end.
There has not been a tyrannical ruler in Wakanda EVER. The very concept of Wakanda? Eliminates tyranny.
I agree with RedJack. And I'm supporting Blood Syndicate.
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'Marvel Studios’ Black Panther: Dreams of Wakanda' Book Sets Release Date For Next Month
BY LACY LONG
The book was written by contributors to the 2018 film 'Black Panther' and gives an in-depth behind-the-scenes look at art, fashion, analyses, & more.
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The upcoming Marvel Studios’ Black Panther: Dreams of Wakanda book will be released on September 6. The book will explore the cultural impact of the Black Panther movie and will feature commentary on a variety of topics, from fashion to representation, from the creators, writers, and comic legends behind the story.
Along with beautiful original art illustrations, an example of the content in the book includes input from costume designer Ruth E. Carter, who takes readers through her Afrofuturistic designs. Writer Tre Johnson talks about the writing process and metaphoric qualities of vibranium. Author Yona Harvey’s commentary deals with the film’s reception and impact on audiences across the African diaspora. Last but not least, journalist Hannah Giorgis discusses Black Panther’s soundtrack and how it fits into the sonic portraits of Blackness overall.
Marvel’s Black Panther was the first of its kind to feature a superhero protagonist of African descent. The film, based on the comics of the same name, follows T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman), or Black Panther, who takes on the duty of King of Wakanda after his father dies. However, things take a turn as his cousin N’Jadaka (Micheal B. Jordan), or Killmonger, challenges T’Challa for the crown with the intention to change the isolationist principles that Wakanda has held for generations and with the country’s technological advances, begin a global revolution.
The film brought a refreshing uniqueness to the usual superhero vs. villain stories of previous Marvel films as each character had grey areas of morality. The aesthetics and designs of the characters were inspired by the traditional looks of various tribes and cultures in Africa. It showed that audiences were interested in more than the usual white protagonist and that people of color have a place in the Marvel Universe.
Disney also has its own event planned in celebration of Dreams of Wakanda’s release. The company has partnered with Penguin Random House to donate books to First Book and Books for Africa. The total value Disney plans to donate to First Book totals approximately $1M - not a bad gain for a great cause! For those who aren’t familiar with the organization, First Book is the leading nonprofit organization that aids in educational equity, basic needs, and more, in underserved communities.
Penguin Random House is donating some of their published titles to Books for Africa; the donation will total approximately $100K - again, not a bad gain for a great cause. Books for Africa was founded to end the book famine in Africa, and its sole mission is to collect, sort, and ship books, computers, and other educational resources to Africa.
full article:
https://collider.com/black-panther-dreams-of-wakanda-release-date/
I wonder if any of the contributors will comment on the current affairs concerning the killing off of T'Challa the Black Panther? You know, because the Black Panther movie was the first of its kind to feature an Afrakan superhero protagonist. A film, based on the comics of the same name a film about T’Challa the Black Panther. Just wondering.
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Exclusive: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: The Courage to Dream Introduces an Inspiring New Hero to Our Favorite Universe
http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/exclusive-black-panther-wakanda-forever-140000118.html (http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/exclusive-black-panther-wakanda-forever-140000118.html)
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True indeed Emperorjones.
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I saw this posted on The Root site this morning. They're really going all in on the girls gotta have Wakanda. Apparently these writers not only want to assassinate T'Challa, they want to evict him. Check out this other article.
Why Black Panther 2 Must Move the Franchise Beyond T'Challa to Wakanda
https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-challenge-honors-tchalla-balances-wakanda-mcu/ (https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-challenge-honors-tchalla-balances-wakanda-mcu/)
My response remains the same.
First off, Recast T'Challa the Black Panther.
Second,
Miss me with the variant T'Challa being our only hope for seeing T'Challa the Black Panther in cinema. Variants are just that, variations from the original. Marvel can deliver all the variants they want but without the original what do they merit other than being a substitution. Cinematically speaking if MCU T'Challa the Black Panther has made transition then he should become King of the Wakandan Dead. This presents an opportunity to show T'Challa the Black Panther going on a quest in the afterlife to become king once again.
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T'Challa the Black Panther's trials and challenges in the Wakanda of ancestors and ancestresses could showcase untapped narratives and story followups. He could meet, confer and contest with previous historical Black Panthers. Via sacred ritual T'Challa the Black Panther and Shuri could commune and visit one another. Through some twisted sorcery Klaw could manifest as his energy being thus presenting another foe to vanquish.
His arch adversary could once again be Killmonger and his advisor Zuri. Not to mention that his father T'Chaka is there as is Killmonger's dad N'Joba. No wonder there aren't any men in Black Panther Wakanda Forever they're all dead. I could build a conspiracy theory around that but the HEF faithful can do that for themselves.
The potential love interest would be staggering. T'Challa the Black Panther being involved with historical Wakandan women would unleash a floodgate of stories. T'Challa the Black Panther could revisit the original Dora Milaje concept when there were only two and they were meant to be betrothed to the king.
T'Challa the Black Panther - King of the Dead is the way to go forward. It can be introduced in Black Panther 3 and made into a Disney+ drama, fantasy series. This way everybody wins. The woke get their female driven Wakanda Forever narrative led by Shuri and other guest stars. The faithful fans and enthusiasts get T'Challa the Black Panther as king, genius, master tactician and strategist, mystic and a man who finds love and romance with some very interesting Wakandan women. It honors Chadwick Boseman by having the cinematic character he worked so hard to bring to life all while heroically suffering the ravages of cancer live on. While both character and actor have died this allows them both to be immortalized and live in a new way and continue to inspire generations to come.
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And third,
If T'Challa is to die by being killed in battle (ridiculously unnecessary) or from injury or succumb to illness (adding further insult) the entire lineup from Endgame had better show up for the funeral. Notable standouts and conversations should be heard taking place in T'Challa the Black Panther's Techno Jungle.
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Old man Cap - He was the most honorable and forgiving man I've ever met.
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M'Baku - He proved himself the most capable leader of Wakanda. He spared my life and we became brothers in arms.
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Bucky - He offered me sanctuary when there was no place left for me to go.
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Sam Wilson - Shuri told me it was T'Challa who designed, built and gifted me these wings and uniform.
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Namor - We first met during the annual combat trials hosted by our respective kingdoms. He best me on several occasions. Once, I am ashamed to say, even under water.
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Hawkeye - He made beating me look easy. Now I don't feel so bad.
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Okoye - He defeated Killmonger when myself and several Doras could not. Quiet as it is kept, he was the greatest warrior of Wakanda.
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Ayo to the Winter Soldier - It was T'Challa who designed your new arm with the disarming protocols. Though reluctant to use it, he even developed a kill switch for Vision.
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Shuri - Few know that I got the idea for my lab from this, his secret techno jungle. He was just a boy, much younger than me when he designed and built Baba's new Panther habit here. T'Challa upgraded the design for himself some years later. He designed and built the first royal talon fighter. T'Challa was a true polymath and with all that he always let me shine, he was that humble. Never needing approval or seeking applause. I stand tall because I stand on his shoulders.
These conversations take place in the Ancestral Realm.
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Zuri to T'Chaka - I've yet to greet T'Challa.
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Killmonger - He is hiding from me. We have some unfinished business.
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T'Chaka - I think your business will have to wait quite some time.
And this conversation occurs Nowhere.
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Bast - My regrets for your family and friend's sorrow. I pulled you from their spacetime line to prepare you for Kang and the Secret War to come.
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T'Challa - So shall it be.
PUT SOME, NO, MUCH RESPECT ON HIS NAME AND TRULY HONOR AND PAY HOMAGE TO T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!
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The courage to dream is something Black Panther comic book writers remain in search of as fans and enthusiasts suffer their nightmares.
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Just so we're clear. We are going to remove T'Challa the black panther from his own franchise, ya know, in honor of Chad, then we will start creating a bunch of female characters, really just go all on and skew what used to be a pretty balanced cast, pushing Black boys out and tell them to sit down and let Black girls take it from here
Then we will try and slowly shift from "Its a mantle" and "it was always about Wakanda" to "It was Always about the women of Wakanda" and "It was always about Shuri, Okoye and the Doras" and then completely transition away from T'Challa like abd bury him with Chad... Out of respect for him of course.
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Just so we're clear. We are going to remove T'Challa the black panther from his own franchise, ya know, in honor of Chad, then we will start creating a bunch of female characters, really just go all on and skew what used to be a pretty balanced cast, pushing Black boys out and tell them to sit down and let Black girls take it from here
Then we will try and slowly shift from "Its a mantle" and "it was always about Wakanda" to "It was Always about the women of Wakanda" and "It was always about Shuri, Okoye and the Doras" and then completely transition away from T'Challa like abd bury him with Chad... Out of respect for him of course.
Yep, and when this fails in the comics (and perhaps at the box office too), black males will be blamed.
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Just so we're clear. We are going to remove T'Challa the black panther from his own franchise, ya know, in honor of Chad, then we will start creating a bunch of female characters, really just go all on and skew what used to be a pretty balanced cast, pushing Black boys out and tell them to sit down and let Black girls take it from here
Then we will try and slowly shift from "Its a mantle" and "it was always about Wakanda" to "It was Always about the women of Wakanda" and "It was always about Shuri, Okoye and the Doras" and then completely transition away from T'Challa like abd bury him with Chad... Out of respect for him of course.
Yep, and when this fails in the comics (and perhaps at the box office too), black males will be blamed.
Sounds like an excellent argument for us to monetize our own incredibly rich, unsurpassed stories, folklore, etc.
Imagine a movie about Menes defeating the Arab and Roman invaders, outsmarting and manipulating the remaining Greeks, and dealing with the warriors of Ptah-Seti, Kush, Wawat, Wose and Nowe...and oh, yeah. Our interactions with Bharatavajra. That story would knock heads clean OFF.
...imagine the story of Ze Pilintra and Maria Navalha TOLD RIGHT. Imagine the story of High John The Conqueror making it to the movies. Imagine AMANIRENAS making her movie debut. Imagine the gajillion stories about the Orisha just HOPPING UP AND DOWN to be told. Imagine the infinite stories about us being founders of and interacting with human civilizations worldwide...
...imagine the imagined and untold story of the brother of Mansa Musa making it to The New World. With the glory and grandeur of his Empire of Mali behind him. The STORIES we could tell...
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What a lot of folks seem to aggressively and conveniently forget is that T'Chaka and ESPECIALLY T'Challa are (or used to be) UNIQUE in the history of WAKANDA. Father and son are both looking out at the larger world and realizing Wakanda needs to be part of it. T'Chaka was the slow walk, trying to ease things along. T'Challa is the CANNON, forcing his people and the world together, not out of personal desire but out of necessity. Their days of hiding are over as a matter of survival.
Prior to this father and son, the Black Panther mantle-holders were, essentially, interchangeable. Wakanda was a stable, utopian hermit kingdom. So, while every Panther is a badass fighter, NOT every Panther is a scientific genius (T'Challa) and ZERO Panthers were trying to re-connect Wakanda to the outside world (T'Chaka and T'Challa).
Whatever "political strife" occurred in Wakanda did so and was handled thousands of years ago. Wakandan society is an example of how all human society should be. Or, rather, it was that. Now there are rape camps and misogyny, among many other ills. A generation of writers and editors desired to have Wakanda reflect many of the modern and traditional realities of real African nations.
This was and remains a mistake. Not only because super-hero comics are the antithesis of "realism" but because, even within the fictional universe, zero of those ills have ever touched Wakanda. It couldn't have survived as long as it did if they had. No chance. So, we're talking about selective realism and that's just as corruptive.
What you want is naturalism (the character(s) feel like believable people) and plausibility (yeah, in the context of this universe, THAT could happen) in super-hero comics. never actual realism.
The editorial choices that have taken the character and the nation away from their foundation have ultimately gutted their uniqueness and importance.
After all, we don't tell the stories of how everything was perfect for ten thousand years. We tell the story of change and the upheaval that brings.We tell the story of NOW. Right now. Super-hero comics are always NOW. There's no beginning and no end. These aren't actually stories but extended vignettes.
This is the difference between corporate thinking– which is ultimately to sell as much of the product to as many people as they can by basically any means– and good storytelling.
The Black Panther is Wakanda. Wakanda is forever.
IMO, of course.
Redjack stays in the game and in T'Challa the Black Panther's corner. It is just a matter of time (a year or two) as to when we will be reading his iteration. Man he has a lot of crap to clean up but I am so looking forward to seeing it done.
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Redjack
What a lot of folks seem to aggressively and conveniently forget is that T'Chaka and ESPECIALLY T'Challa are (or used to be) UNIQUE in the history of WAKANDA. Father and son are both looking out at the larger world and realizing Wakanda needs to be part of it. T'Chaka was the slow walk, trying to ease things along. T'Challa is the CANNON, forcing his people and the world together, not out of personal desire but out of necessity. Their days of hiding are over as a matter of survival.
Prior to this father and son, the Black Panther mantle-holders were, essentially, interchangeable. Wakanda was a stable, utopian hermit kingdom. So, while every Panther is a badass fighter, NOT every Panther is a scientific genius (T'Challa) and ZERO Panthers were trying to re-connect Wakanda to the outside world (T'Chaka and T'Challa).
Whatever "political strife" occurred in Wakanda did so and was handled thousands of years ago. Wakandan society is an example of how all human society should be. Or, rather, it was that. Now there are rape camps and misogyny, among many other ills. A generation of writers and editors desired to have Wakanda reflect many of the modern and traditional realities of real African nations.
This was and remains a mistake. Not only because super-hero comics are the antithesis of "realism" but because, even within the fictional universe, zero of those ills have ever touched Wakanda. It couldn't have survived as long as it did if they had. No chance. So, we're talking about selective realism and that's just as corruptive.
What you want is naturalism (the character(s) feel like believable people) and plausibility (yeah, in the context of this universe, THAT could happen) in super-hero comics. never actual realism.
The editorial choices that have taken the character and the nation away from their foundation have ultimately gutted their uniqueness and importance.
After all, we don't tell the stories of how everything was perfect for ten thousand years. We tell the story of change and the upheaval that brings.We tell the story of NOW. Right now. Super-hero comics are always NOW. There's no beginning and no end. These aren't actually stories but extended vignettes.
This is the difference between corporate thinking– which is ultimately to sell as much of the product to as many people as they can by basically any means– and good storytelling.
The Black Panther is Wakanda. Wakanda is forever.
IMO, of course.
Redjack stays in the game and in T'Challa the Black Panther's corner. It is just a matter of time (a year or two) as to when we will be reading his iteration. Man he has a lot of crap to clean up but I am so looking forward to seeing it done.
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The moment this happens? Me and the squad and 24 members of my family are back. In full effect. Supporting T'Challa. Until then? I'm warily watching Marvel from a distance, and rolling with Nightwing.
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WHAT"S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
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STILL DON'T SEE IT? LET'S COMPARE IT TO THIS ONE.
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OR TO BE FAIR TO THIS ONE...
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The A.G.E.N.D.A. is dying and its ghost is killing T'Challa the Black Panther and deleting the Afrakan male presence.
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Wakanda Gets a New Name As It Rejects The Black Panther
BY JOSHUA ISAAK
The nation of Wakanda gets a new name and loses a king as democracy takes control of the country - and Black Panther is stripped of his crown.
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Warning: SPOILERS for Black Panther #10
The nation of Wakanda gains a new name and loses a Black Panther as the country fully transitions to a democracy - but at a great cost. Wakanda's recent civil war seriously damaged the country's reputation, not to mention the country itself, and citizens and public officials have called for a change in leadership. That change takes effect in Black Panther #10 as the Black Panther's own country effectively strips him of his crown for good.
Out of all the nations in Africa, Wakanda is the only nation to remain fully independent throughout its entire history; it has never been successfully invaded or conquered by Europeans. Wakandans owe this feat to their supremely advanced technology, which in turn is brought about by the incredibly rare and powerful metal vibranium. Wakanda possesses advanced weapons, medical science and even a space program decades ahead of any neighboring country, but the nation is also a monarchy, a relatively unusual form of government in the modern era.
In Black Panther #10, written by John Ridley with art by German Peralta, the Avengers fight the new villain Colonialist in America, but Wakanda's troubles continue across the seas. As T'Challa fights his new enemy the Buffalo Soldier, Princess Shuri stands at the first convention of "the Democratic Republic of Wakanda" where the Prime Minister gives a speech in which she pledges "...that we are done with the Wakanda of the past. A nation run by a King who was little more than an autocrat." The Wakandans assembled at the convention cheer - and Black Panther is on his way out as King.
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The Democratic Republic of Wakanda No Longer Needs A King. The new name of the country (strongly bearing a resemblance to the Democratic Republic of the Congo) is indicative of Black Panther's slowly waning popularity among his people. Wakanda may have advanced technology, but the monarchy and the very idea of a royal family is woefully outdated. Wakanda faces new dangers as Black Panther's adopted white brother Hunter wishes to destabilize the country (seen in the new Captain America: Symbol of Truth series), but the nation will face these dangers without its longtime protector.
Black Panther, for his part, is rather despondent about losing his power, but also about losing his chance to protect the people who live in his home country. The Democratic Republic of Wakanda has all but ousted Black Panther, Shuri and Queen Ramonda will be next, and the long-held institutions of the country will eventually become a distant memory. While some in Wakanda are proud to see democracy play a pivotal part in the development of the nation's future, others are sad to see tradition fall by the wayside - perhaps none more so than Black Panther himself.
https://screenrant.com/wakanda-gets-new-name-black-panther-marvel-comics/
Every time I think the Black Panther comic has reached its nadir, up comes a new low in disrespect and desecration. This has got to be one the worst showings of the Wakandan political system ever. A system that has worked for ten thousand years. A system that evaded the pitfalls of poverty and starvation and the exploitation of its people; a system that prevented conquering by outside forces; a system that prevented the captivity and enslavement of its people. An enduring system that ensured economic manumission and cultural integrity. This is the system that we are to believe is to be replaced with democracy. Yea, good luck with that, cause I ain't buying it. To add further insult to greater injury T'Challa got to ask Shuri for help. Not too mention she knows of earth's Buffalo Soldiers and sends T'Challa a Google search.
Marvel comics must have some people who either cannot accept who the Black Panther is and the lack of limits thereof or they have people who just utterly can't stand the Black Panther and what he represents. In either case the decision to deconstruct the Black Panther to obsolesces and obscurity is in full effect. The utter and mitigated gall is to have Afrakan (so called Black) authors hammer the nails in the coffin. I cannot and will not support such nonsense. I'm glad I don't buy Ridley's Believe it or Not narrative nor his BP comic.
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They left out that the PMs weak indecisive leadership is what led to the conflict. There nothing to stop her citizen army from taking up arms and kicking her out.
At this point they're setting Wakanda up to be conquered or destroyed in the next event. With Tchalla being a solo hero from a lost civilization closer aligned with Iron fist and Kun Lun(sp)
And the PM is like Lizz Truss. When she asked for help the average Wakandan didnt show up to help(I guess Ridley was pretending the was no regular military). How can she be a failure and not resign.
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The self-styled King of Wakanda, Marvel's Black Panther character first appeared in Fantastic Four #52 back in 1966. That was the first year that Marvel would report comics sales circulation in its Statements of Ownership; sales for the average issue that year were 329,379 copies.
The character's first comics series, in 1973, wasn't under his own name; T'challa took over as the lead in Jungle Action in issue #5, headlining the title until it ended with #24 in 1976. It didn't last long enough to generate a postal circulation statement. A bimonthly series running from 1977 to 1979 was the first Black Panther title fully under the character's own name; Black Panther Vol. 1 ran only 15 issues, and likewise did not last long enough for Marvel to publish a postal circulation statement.
A four-issue limited series ran in 1988; while its overall sales are unknown, Capital City Distribution shipped 23,700 copies of the first issue and slightly fewer thereafter, suggesting its overall per-issue was likely between 100,000 and 150,000 copies. Another miniseries, Black Panther: Panther's Prey released in 1991, with first-issue sales at Capital of 19,200 copies; its overall sales would have been just over 100,000 copies.
From 1998 to 2010, however, there would finally be three ongoing Black Panther series which would last long enough to see the publication of Postal Statements of Ownership, Management, and Circulation. The 1998-2003 series by Christopher Priest ran the longest; its postal circulation record is detailed here. The 2005-08 series, a better seller in part because of improved conditions in the Direct Market, is detailed here.
The 2009-10 series — Vol. 4 in my own counting — featured a female Black Panther in a tie-in to the "Dark Reign" storyline ongoing at Marvel. The publisher sold subscriptions for the title, but readers barely had time to receive any copies, as it wrapped with the twelfth issue. Its sole postal statement appears in the grid below; it reports overall sales in 2009 averaged 33,255 copies per issue. you can find the per-issue Direct Market sales for every issue of this series in our monthly reports section.
A later Black Panther series by Ta-Nehisi Coates would launch with the bestselling comic book of April 2016; end-of-year sales through comics shops were above 287,000 copies, placing it pretty close to what that first Fantastic Four appearance sold. The series would be renumbered as part of Marvel's Legacy program in 2017 to include all the titles mentioned above. Marvel was done filing postal statements by then, so the only place to find that information here is by searching the monthly sales reports.
Comichron Black Panther page
https://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/blackpanthervol4.html (https://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/blackpanthervol4.html)
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Ridley's run
BLACK PANTHER#7
BLACK PANTHER#6
BLACK PANTHER#5 14,761
BLACK PANTHER#4 11,418
BLACK PANTHER#3 11,747
BLACK PANTHER#2 25,162
BLACK PANTHER#1 35,459
Coates' run
#25 87,980
BLACK PANTHER #12 37,612
BLACK PANTHER #11 35,492
BLACK PANTHER #10 38,741
BLACK PANTHER #9 39,123
BLACK PANTHER #8 43,451
BLACK PANTHER #7 60,857
BLACK PANTHER #6 58,746
BLACK PANTHER #5 83,756
BLACK PANTHER #4 72,302
BLACK PANTHER #3 75,037
BLACK PANTHER #2 77,654
BLACK PANTHER #1 253,259
Hudlin's run
BLACK PANTHER #12 27,933
BLACK PANTHER #11 29,327
BLACK PANTHER #10 31,987
BLACK PANTHER #9 40,173
BLACK PANTHER #8 46,239
BLACK PANTHER #7 42,905
BLACK PANTHER #6 35,256
BLACK PANTHER #5 37,401
BLACK PANTHER #4 40,804
BLACK PANTHER #3 44,925
BLACK PANTHER #2 47,533
BLACK PANTHER #1 50,490
Priest's run
BLACK PANTHER #12 33,089
BLACK PANTHER #11 35,909
BLACK PANTHER #10 35,733
BLACK PANTHER #9 36,980
BLACK PANTHER #8 40,104
BLACK PANTHER #7 39,508
BLACK PANTHER #6 41,991
BLACK PANTHER #5 44,473
BLACK PANTHER #4 48,774
BLACK PANTHER #3 46,988
BLACK PANTHER #2 50,221
BLACK PANTHER #1 56,482
Narcisse's run
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER#1 40,897
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER#2 19,709
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER#3 18,055
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER#4 19,289
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER#5 18,787
RISE OF THE BLACK PANTHER#6 18,487
February 2018 Black Panther Comic Book Sales (BP drops 5 books for Black History Month)
Black Panther#170 LEG 28,143
Black Panther Annual#1 20,972
Black Panther Sound and Fury#1 20,136
Rise of Black Panther#2 19,709
Black Panther Book#1 Nation Under Our Feet (trade) 1,780
In May of the same year Coates drops a new #1
Black Panther#1 122,358
In June
Black Panther#2 34,891
Compared to Hudlin's 2009 BP relaunch BH month
Black Panther The Deadliest Of The Specie#1 46,691
Black Panther The Deadliest Of The Specie#2 33,750
Hudlin's run
Black Panther Flags of Fathers#1 20,274
Black Panther Flags of Fathers#2 15,480
Black Panther Flags of Fathers#3 14,264
Black Panther Flags of Fathers#4 12,969
Aaron's run
Black Panther Secret Invasion#41 33,611
Black Panther Secret Invasion#40 33,565
Black Panther Secret Invasion#39 33,893
Gay's run (issues #1-5) Yona Harvey (back up story issue #1) Rembert Browne#6
BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #6 14,547
BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #5 15,847
BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #4 17,454
BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #3 25,248
BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #2 45,009
BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #1 57,073
Hickman's run
NEW AVENGERS #7 60,138
NEW AVENGERS #6 59,362
NEW AVENGERS #5 63,423
NEW AVENGERS #4 65,150
NEW AVENGERS #3 72,110
NEW AVENGERS #2 79,433
NEW AVENGERS #1 116,280
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f you mean me writing the main BP book, nope. I got nothing.
Bottom line: Marvel knows me, knows how to get hold of me, knows my resume etc. they keep including my KING IN BLACK story in the "best of" lists and in BP collections so, they know I can do it and am eager to do so. My phone does not ring. Based on the direction they're obviously taking the source material, I don't think they'd want me in the box on the main book.
And, frankly, the further they go down the current track, the harder my job becomes to tell the stories I'd want to tell with these characters. I honestly can't see it happening. And I'm not pitching the stories only to have them taken away or butchered to make them fit the current direction. These are corporate characters, after all.
If they offer me more one-shots, absolutely I'd jump on (with the exception of anything to do with IMPERIAL SPACE WAKANDA because I'm a hard pass on all that). I'm tempted to pitch a T'Challa and Storm mini just to shut up some of the haters but, on the whole, the ship of me writing the actual BP title has pretty much sailed.
They clearly don't want me in the center ring.
I'm trying to find a way to tell the story as an INDIE book but, right now, the mythology's too tied to 616 to make that viable. I'll probably figure it out, but not soon.
I'm sorry (like REALLY truly selfishly sorry) but I just don't think it'll ever happen.
I'm holding onto hopes for SLINGERS sometime next year.
Read Blood Syndicate.
Read Emerald Knight.
Well.
I'll never say 'no' to people publicly calling my writing good.
But, realistically, there are a host of things that a "Thorne Cut" would erase and many characters that would be shoved into the backfield or killed outright. The Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda, for instance, would die the true death and never return.
There are fundamental differences between the way I see Wakanda– a benign and near-utopian ritual-driven monarchy– and the way the company is choosing to play it in the comics– a hotbed of corruption, misogyny and bloody infighting. I'll never write that version of Wakanda. Better to just not step in.
There are fundamental differences in the way I see T'Challa– a Richards/Stark/Doom-level intellect x a Captain America-level "super soldier" x a Shang Chi level fighter vs how Marvel comics has chosen to play him over the last near decade.
And Shuri– a genius of another kind. Where T'Challa is an "applied physics" inventor-guy, Shuri is the edge-running experimentalist, always pushing boundaries in the pursuit of knowledge. She'd mix magic with science with alien tech, just to see what came of it. She would never WANT to be queen because the role is too restricting and would pull her away from her own chosen path.
Wakanda's borders would not be open. It's too small and its balance with its own ecology would be destroyed by an influx of immigrants.
Etc. This doesn't even get into the stories, T'Challa and Storm, the Ancestors, Bast, blah blah blah.
They don't want what I'm selling. That's it.
don't think I'm not always thinking about this crap.
i'm always thinking about this crap.
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This is the kind of forethought and vision so desparately needed in the Black Panther comic book. Not only would this read well but it would put respect on T'Challa the Black Panther's name and I believe would sell very well, especially if respectfully promoted.