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Title: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 22, 2017, 01:22:04 pm
or "50 Shades of Black (Panther)" :P

Terminal Objective: Make a case for why a marvel female of your choice would be a great love interest for T'Challa.  Then make a case for why she wouldn't be. 

Optional Objective: Express your appreciation/unappreciation for the abundance of love interests T'Challa has had in his publication history.

I'll start it off:

(https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Image-1531.jpg)

Monica Rambeau

Pros: Down to earth, Louisiana (I think) black woman.  Super powerful.  Former Leader of the Avengers in the 80s (i think).  Had a short but cute flirtatious history with T'Challa.  MCU available :)  Can't claim she's a downgrade from Storm. ;)

Cons: T'Challa already has someone named Monica, could be confusing for him.  She's with Blue Marvel.  She's treated as the red headed step child of Captain Marvels.  She may be too powerful to be a regular (speed of light can be a bitch to plot around... gotta start reading Flash to see how they do it with Boomerang and Captain Cold ass villains).  Carol Danvers will need her as her token black friend in her MCU solo, can they share her?

Add on


Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on April 22, 2017, 01:24:12 pm
Spectrum was my first thought too, though I do like her with blue Marvel; together they are definitely a Marvel Power Couple.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 22, 2017, 01:27:00 pm
Spectrum was my first thought too, though I do like her with blue Marvel; together they are definitely a Marvel Power Couple.
Spectrum may actually be my favorite.  Outside of making an original character that is.

I like the idea of Adam and Monica, but the selfish part of me kinda wants BM to kick rocks so BP can slide in her dms
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 22, 2017, 01:27:46 pm
And yea, i'ma let someone else tackle the love-interest elephant in the room lol

And no, i don't mean Zenzi

or Black Swan  ;D
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 22, 2017, 01:44:25 pm
Spectrum was mentioned so I'm going to go faaaaaar left field.

She-Hulk

Pros: Helpful in a fight, has an legal mind, nobody cares enough about her to kick up a fuss.

Cons: Hulks tend to attract hulk problems. Destruction won't be far behind.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on April 22, 2017, 01:58:38 pm
Hmmmmm....

Deadly Nightshade:

Pros: She's Black, a genius, super fine and can relate to T'Challa on a genius level. Loves leather.

Cons: She is/was a villain so that could be a problem should she stay in the crime life. But she is fine.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 22, 2017, 03:36:32 pm
Spectrum was mentioned so I'm going to go faaaaaar left field.

She-Hulk

Pros: Helpful in a fight, has an legal mind, nobody cares enough about her to kick up a fuss.

Cons: Hulks tend to attract hulk problems. Destruction won't be far behind.

Another con is that she's already smashed the homies:  Cage and Stark
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 22, 2017, 06:39:38 pm
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/e610e46e136d6d8cd3eb8af01bb087cb/tumblr_inline_nirht89fI31qg6cba.jpg)

Kwai Far


Pros:
She has money, comes from generational wealth.  Not a gold digger.  She's a BP fangirl.  Her brother is pretty good at kung fu.   She's apparently extremely attractive, and looks like she at least does pilates and some zumba.

Cons:
I don't think she's existed outside of that one issue Hudlin wrote with her :(
Also her father is an evil immortal wizard drug lord set on corrupting his would-be-wakandan-royal-blasian grandchildren to take over Wakandan and then rule the world under his influence. But i mean, that's father-in-laws for you

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on April 22, 2017, 07:09:37 pm
Because I'm in a weird mood, I'm going to give you three possibilities, all somewhat frivolous.

I.  Princess Zanda of Narobia.

Pros:  Politically savvy.  Resources of her country. Experience selling fast food.
Cons:  Poor fashion sense. Nucking futs.

II.  Elizabeth "Talisman" Twoyoungmen

Pros: Potent magician.  Connections to the mystical & mutant communities.
Cons:  Tends to get temporarily killed off during events.  May be annoyed that the name Alpha Flight has been co-opted by the Wakandan Space Program.

III. Gamora Zen Whoberi Ben Titan

Pros:  Deadliest woman in the galaxy.  Contacts in the interstellar community.
Cons: Green.  Is technically Thanos' daughter (and he'd probably show up at the wedding).
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on April 22, 2017, 07:29:00 pm
What's wrong with being green? 😂
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on April 22, 2017, 08:20:24 pm
What's wrong with being green? 😂

Wakandans are a wee bit uptight about that sort of thing.  ;D
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on April 22, 2017, 08:31:16 pm
What's wrong with being green? 😂

Wakandans are a wee bit uptight about that sort of thing.  ;D

But considering that she could kill them all before breakfast, no one is going to say anything to her face. :) However, she likes Nova and he just came back from the dead.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on April 23, 2017, 06:32:04 am
That's rather the problem... any existing Marvel heroine is almost certainly in a relationship with somebody (unless she's underage, of course, but I doubt we want to go there). Anyone know how old QDJ and Magik are?

(Say, what about Namora?  She's still around, and it would drive Sub-Mariner nuts.  8) )
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on April 23, 2017, 06:54:32 am
Alright I got it I got it.

Zenzi:

Pros: Poc,  Dat Booty, Tchalla and her will have heart to hearts Because she will reveal to him what his true feelings are,
if need be she can hulk people out.

Cons: Changey can will her power with a simple speech.

Storm:

Pros: already had a taste of the good life so she still thirsty, they make up the power couple (greater then BM and Monica imo) they have history, Dat Booty.

Cons: x office would likely rip them apart, with claims of great use for Storm, just to put her on that premium wallpaper.

I'm in a troll mood   8)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 23, 2017, 08:47:44 am
([url]http://68.media.tumblr.com/e610e46e136d6d8cd3eb8af01bb087cb/tumblr_inline_nirht89fI31qg6cba.jpg[/url])

Kwai Far


Pros:
She has money, comes from generational wealth.  Not a gold digger.  She's a BP fangirl.  Her brother is pretty good at kung fu.   She's apparently extremely attractive, and looks like she at least does pilates and some zumba.

Cons:
I don't think she's existed outside of that one issue Hudlin wrote with her :(
Also her father is an evil immortal wizard drug lord set on corrupting his would-be-wakandan-royal-blasian grandchildren to take over Wakandan and then rule the world under his influence. But i mean, that's father-in-laws for you
She is a character with great potential.  Then again, so is Shang Chi.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Salustrade on April 23, 2017, 10:40:49 am
([url]http://68.media.tumblr.com/e610e46e136d6d8cd3eb8af01bb087cb/tumblr_inline_nirht89fI31qg6cba.jpg[/url])

Kwai Far


Pros:
She has money, comes from generational wealth.  Not a gold digger.  She's a BP fangirl.  Her brother is pretty good at kung fu.   She's apparently extremely attractive, and looks like she at least does pilates and some zumba.

Cons:
I don't think she's existed outside of that one issue Hudlin wrote with her :(
Also her father is an evil immortal wizard drug lord set on corrupting his would-be-wakandan-royal-blasian grandchildren to take over Wakandan and then rule the world under his influence. But i mean, that's father-in-laws for you
She is a character with great potential.  Then again, so is Shang Chi.


Dear Mr Hudlin, is there even a remote chance of you writing any other Marvel character in future?

I'd read the hell out've any book you wrote.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 23, 2017, 03:44:07 pm
Thank you!  I'm writing some comics now that I"m really enjoying.  I'll let you know when they are coming out. 
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 23, 2017, 03:50:45 pm
Alright I got it I got it.

Zenzi:

Pros: Poc,  Dat Booty, Tchalla and her will have heart to hearts Because she will reveal to him what his true feelings are,
if need be she can hulk people out.

Cons: Changey can will her power with a simple speech.

Storm:

Pros: already had a taste of the good life so she still thirsty, they make up the power couple (greater then BM and Monica imo) they have history, Dat Booty.

Cons: x office would likely rip them apart, with claims of great use for Storm, just to put her on that premium wallpaper.

I'm in a troll mood   8)


All of Storm's fanatic female groupies on baller alert were probably giving her hell for not getting knocked up by BP.  that would've been 18 years of living that good life, and they could've lived vicariously through Storm.   :'(  Or at least tuned in every Monday night for the VH1 show Mona Scott would've given her  :'( :'(
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 23, 2017, 03:58:28 pm
She is a character with great potential.  Then again, so is Shang Chi.
I felt there was a great opportunity for a writer to take what you established and cultivate her into something special for the Shang Chi mytho; maybe even a Talia Al Ghoul-like ally (or adversary) for BP, depending on how a writer wanted to handle the Kwai / Shang Chi / Fu Manchu family relationship.

So it was disappointing to see writers drop the ball on using her.  And also disappointing to see Shang Chi continue to be regulated as a wallpaper character even now in 2017.

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 23, 2017, 05:17:00 pm
Oh and Mr. Hudlin,

One aspect of your run that I don't believe gets enough praise is how you depicted T'Challa before his wedding to Ororo. 
i.e. he is supposed to be a handsome, charismatic confident billionaire/trillionaire genius, yet outside of when you and Priest penned him, it's like he's damn near asexual in modern times.

I liked that you portrayed him as someone who, in his younger days, had some dog in him -ala a Tony Stark- but had matured into man ready for commitment.  I liked the subtle things like showing the attraction Kwari, Monica Rambeau and Sue Storm had for him.  Priest did similiar with Nakia, Okoye, Niiki Adams, Monica, the red haired detective whose name escapes me, and Storm.

It just feels like (non-black?) writers often shy away from incorporating black attractiveness but will then turn around and have Wolverine, Hawkeye and Tony Stark all but peeling women off of them. Also feels like championing black coupling is also rare, or maybe just the lack of created/promoted black female characters is playing a part in this. 

And although I acknowledge that more of an "effort" is being made these days, particularly with Sam Wilson-Misty Knight and Adam-Monica... even with Adam-Monica, it's soooo underdeveloped and far in the background that we're almost 2 years into it with practically nothing fun to take away from.  Plus i'm not sure we'd even know Sam / Misty were an item outside of Sam's book.  He was swapping spit with Lady Thor in the main Avengers title.

Just wanted your thoughts on black attractiveness in comics, esp as it related to BP back then and if you're seeing anything different/better (in general) these days?

Thanks!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ture on April 23, 2017, 10:13:28 pm
There may have been just two...

Monica
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew2.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew3.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew5.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew6.jpg)

Storm
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew11.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew10.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew9.jpg)
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/stories4/CMon_Now/storm__black_panther_tchalla_006.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/7d/90/bc7d909cefe2c66f529b2cfedc36d223.jpg)

But what a one, two combination and lest we forget...

Malaika
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew4.jpg)

Nakia
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew7.jpg)
(http://pyakule.com/blackpanther/blackpantherlove/toure_bpnew8.jpg)

Not to mention the reason Lawerence Fishburne's character on Blackish marched in the sixties...Nikki. I'ld say T'challa is on par with Krypton's last son. My two choices would be...

Storm

pros - first true love, their history, they're a true power couple, the horrendous mishandling of their relationship needs serious retconning, they've yet to reach their potential as individuals and a couple.

cons - the X office and X fans


The Dora Milaje

pros - two new characters with two new powers and skill sets, original characters belonging to the Black Panther's mythos, plenty of time to build an organic relationship, validate the existence and original purpose of the wives in trainig, diversity (the gays got theirs, the lesbians got theirs, the inter-racials got theirs, share the love), two spouses are better than one?  ;D

cons - BP fatigue

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 23, 2017, 10:39:54 pm
Oh and Mr. Hudlin,

One aspect of your run that I don't believe gets enough praise is how you depicted T'Challa before his wedding to Ororo. 
i.e. he is supposed to be a handsome, charismatic confident billionaire/trillionaire genius, yet outside of when you and Priest penned him, it's like he's damn near asexual in modern times.

I liked that you portrayed him as someone who, in his younger days, had some dog in him -ala a Tony Stark- but had matured into man ready for commitment.  I liked the subtle things like showing the attraction Kwari, Monica Rambeau and Sue Storm had for him.  Priest did similiar with Nakia, Okoye, Niiki Adams, Monica, the red haired detective whose name escapes me, and Storm.

It just feels like (non-black?) writers often shy away from incorporating black attractiveness but will then turn around and have Wolverine, Hawkeye and Tony Stark all but peeling women off of them. Also feels like championing black coupling is also rare, or maybe just the lack of created/promoted black female characters is playing a part in this. 

And although I acknowledge that more of an "effort" is being made these days, particularly with Sam Wilson-Misty Knight and Adam-Monica... even with Adam-Monica, it's soooo underdeveloped and far in the background that we're almost 2 years into it with practically nothing fun to take away from.  Plus i'm not sure we'd even know Sam / Misty were an item outside of Sam's book.  He was swapping spit with Lady Thor in the main Avengers title.

Just wanted your thoughts on black attractiveness in comics, esp as it related to BP back then and if you're seeing anything different/better (in general) these days?

Thanks!
Thank you for the kind words. 

Black cultural representation has come a long way in any medium, but the journey is not done.

Comic books have lagged behind pop culture in general because it's so insular and marginally profitable.  Like Broadway. 

Movies, television and (especially) advertising do a lot better job.  Notice the order...advertising is the most diverse, because they want your money.  Television content is the second most diverse because of the extreme competition and their ability to adjust to cultural trends quicker. Movies are the most behind but even they are now changing, in part because of the radical changes in television.  Now those success stories are influencing decision making in comics, which often follow the lead of movies and TV.

With Jim Lee and Axel Alonso running the two biggest comic book publishers, there are people of color committed to change in this medium.  If you don't think things are getting better, then you haven't had the opportunity that I have to sit with Denys Cowan and Christopher Priest and hear them talk for hours about the horrible racist practices they had to overcome throughout their careers.  Admitting that things are getting better doesn't mean there isn't work still to be done. 

Being black does not automatically make you a better writer for black characters...you better have your skills or don't bother.  And skills is something that grows over time (hopefully).  But black writers on black characters increases the possibility of those characters having more dimension, and behaving in more realistic and relatable ways.  Which in turn gives white editors and writers and fans to see how it should be done. 
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on April 24, 2017, 05:30:27 am
Ok, I'll do it.


ENTERING THE ARENA...


WORLD'S FINEST!

(http://img.cinemablend.com/cb/d/3/e/6/6/c/d3e66c13a40d51d92b8204b5cd5560a44e1921c139a0b4fc0897c90ffcd1aa2f.jpg)


CAROL DANVERS AKA CAPTAIN MARVEL


Pros:

- She promises to regrow her hair to look stunning again
- the true Captain Marvel not some forgotten one like Monica
- Power set perfectly compliments T'challa in a more diverse Superman/Batman dynamic
- Instant World Finest book by Marvel
- We already know Carol likes some brothas
- 100% different fan base to drag into the books and the Carol Corps can't be any worse than X fans
- Carol Fan base is already used to a black love interest so we eliminate the "oh no scary negro taking white woman thing"
- Headstrong as f*ck and mixes with T'challa headstrongness to make a dynamic relationship
- If you thought the Goddess was sufficiently poweful enough to be Queen of Wakanda, then the YASSSS Queen certainly qualifies
- She can't sell, so Black Panther could likely have full control over her
- Both are in MCU and both seem to be available because ain't no way Don is snoggin Brie on camera.
- relationship has been built of sorts in Ultimates with neither really liking each other which is a perfect time to strand them on a deserted planet and one thing leads to another
- they can connect on being wronged by those damn Mutants.


Cons:

- Let's be real... she white tho
- Xenophobic Wakanda couldn't handle a mutant... what are they goign to do with a white alien hybrid? Aliens keep trying to take Wakanda's sh*t and the last white person in the government (Hunter) tortured there asses in secret.
- every black woman Black PAnther fan would leave the franchise in revolt
- half of black men fans would leave in revolt
- Black twitter would explode in anger
- racist whites would crawl out of their holes in full force that Marvel's Wonder Woman is with a powerful black dude


Verdict?


DO IT

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/1/23/10/enhanced-buzz-22247-1358955767-9.jpg)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Amenra11 on April 24, 2017, 07:04:52 am
I like Monica Rambeau with Blue Marvel, but Id like to see her with Brother Voodoo again. The science and magic thing could lead to great stories.

BP needs a character from his own book, so she cant be taken away again.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 24, 2017, 10:24:09 am
Thank you for the kind words. 

Black cultural representation has come a long way in any medium, but the journey is not done.

Comic books have lagged behind pop culture in general because it's so insular and marginally profitable.  Like Broadway. 

Movies, television and (especially) advertising do a lot better job.  Notice the order...advertising is the most diverse, because they want your money.  Television content is the second most diverse because of the extreme competition and their ability to adjust to cultural trends quicker. Movies are the most behind but even they are now changing, in part because of the radical changes in television.  Now those success stories are influencing decision making in comics, which often follow the lead of movies and TV.

With Jim Lee and Axel Alonso running the two biggest comic book publishers, there are people of color committed to change in this medium.  If you don't think things are getting better, then you haven't had the opportunity that I have to sit with Denys Cowan and Christopher Priest and hear them talk for hours about the horrible racist practices they had to overcome throughout their careers.  Admitting that things are getting better doesn't mean there isn't work still to be done. 

Being black does not automatically make you a better writer for black characters...you better have your skills or don't bother.  And skills is something that grows over time (hopefully).  But black writers on black characters increases the possibility of those characters having more dimension, and behaving in more realistic and relatable ways.  Which in turn gives white editors and writers and fans to see how it should be done.

The discrepancy between ads, tv, movies and comics makes a lot of sense the way you broke it down.  I also agree that being black doesn't automatically make you ideal for black characters... i'll let my own biases show for a sec and say that we're going through that very problem right now in the current black panther books...

Sometimes I consider taking a stab at writing sci-fi books starring black characters; y'know, the whole "if you want something done right..." mentality, and because I figure if it were to become successful enough, maybe Marvel would ask me if I want to write a book.. to which I would say I only want to write Black Panther, and would then proceed to put these last 8 years of pent up agitation into 12-36 issues of retribution fueled black excellence.  First thing i'd do is run-back Doom War and have BP smack the ugly back in Victor's face.

Then i'd explore some themes that go away from the deconstruction path; like the idea of how sometimes we look to great leaders like MLK, Malcolm or even a Tupac to fix things to the point where we become more enamored with them than the 'vision' itself; and so when they die it's like the movement stops for some people.  I would've explored that idea with T'Challa; is he becoming too great a man, especially on a global scale, and some of the ramifications and expectations for him to do more and share more.  From african countries, to the hero community to space exploration.  It's themes that you and others have touched on before but that's something I would take a step further as an underlining theme to my hypothetical run lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 24, 2017, 10:39:02 am
Ok, I'll do it.


ENTERING THE ARENA...


WORLD'S FINEST!

([url]http://img.cinemablend.com/cb/d/3/e/6/6/c/d3e66c13a40d51d92b8204b5cd5560a44e1921c139a0b4fc0897c90ffcd1aa2f.jpg[/url])


CAROL DANVERS AKA CAPTAIN MARVEL


Pros:

- She promises to regrow her hair to look stunning again
- the true Captain Marvel not some forgotten one like Monica
- Power set perfectly compliments T'challa in a more diverse Superman/Batman dynamic
- Instant World Finest book by Marvel
- We already know Carol likes some brothas
- 100% different fan base to drag into the books and the Carol Corps can't be any worse than X fans
- Carol Fan base is already used to a black love interest so we eliminate the "oh no scary negro taking white woman thing"
- Headstrong as f*ck and mixes with T'challa headstrongness to make a dynamic relationship
- If you thought the Goddess was sufficiently poweful enough to be Queen of Wakanda, then the YASSSS Queen certainly qualifies
- She can't sell, so Black Panther could likely have full control over her
- Both are in MCU and both seem to be available because ain't no way Don is snoggin Brie on camera.
- relationship has been built of sorts in Ultimates with neither really liking each other which is a perfect time to strand them on a deserted planet and one thing leads to another
- they can connect on being wronged by those damn Mutants.


Cons:

- Let's be real... she white tho
- Xenophobic Wakanda couldn't handle a mutant... what are they goign to do with a white alien hybrid? Aliens keep trying to take Wakanda's sh*t and the last white person in the government (Hunter) tortured there asses in secret.
- every black woman Black PAnther fan would leave the franchise in revolt
- half of black men fans would leave in revolt
- Black twitter would explode in anger
- racist whites would crawl out of their holes in full force that Marvel's Wonder Woman is with a powerful black dude


Verdict?


DO IT

([url]https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/1/23/10/enhanced-buzz-22247-1358955767-9.jpg[/url])


Hold up... the greatest black superhero ever... that rules the greatest wealthiest afrikan nation in fiction... falling for a blonde blue eyed american white woman?  ???

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/alonzo-mourning-heat-upset-then-realization.gif)

I'm sold!

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on April 24, 2017, 10:42:02 am
People got triggered by an incorrect description of an unfinished MCU special screening that wasn't what they thought it was.

Imagine the explosion if this happen.

Just grab that Red Lantern Ring

(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder168/500x/48407168.jpg)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: BamfingRoundTheWorld on April 24, 2017, 10:49:24 am
CAROL DANVERS AKA CAPTAIN MARVEL

I say replace her with Sue Storm. Have T'Challa be the reason she divorces Reed. Then watch comic forums all across the world wide web explode with anger. Then have her and T'Challa marry and conceive a child more powerful than Franklin and smarter than Valeria.

I bet It would make headlines. Everyone from so called Storm fans, to racists or as they prefer being called "traditionalists", would be up in the BP appreciation thread on cbr having a "T'CHALLA IS A HOMEWRECKING MARY SUE!!!!" fit.

They'd probably even say it's not realistic despite it being fictional comics and T'Challa being able to be as rich and handsome as the writers and artists want him to be.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on April 24, 2017, 02:04:18 pm
Who are we kidding, as much as some of us would hate it, Storm and Monica have had the most development, and unless someone comes in and genuinely wants to take the time to cultivate a new love interest (Could of been Zenzi but NOOOOOOOOO that got ruined :P) we may be stuck with those two. Which i honestly think Storm is fine if the X office would share and not be tools about it. It helps both Franchises, especially now with the MCU could promote them and its not like she gets much shine as she should be.

Or We can go with a brand new Wakandan LI   
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on April 24, 2017, 02:31:41 pm
Y'all want to blow up the internet? Fine!!!!!!!!!


(http://www.tradecardsonline.com/img/cards/vssystem-marvel/dream_cards/big/EmmaFrostBlackQueen.170078.20100210-123842.jpg)

Emma Frost!

Pros:

She's as ruthless as T'Challa
She would rub that isht in Storm's face. Every. Single. Day.
She don't need to read his mind to know what he's thinking.
Scott would blow his own head off
She is a queen
Looks good in Black

Cons:

I would miss the X-Fans reactions at the news.

(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.aHDkakLuyH6R3Tu6BM3dHwEsDh&w=205&h=160&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Booshman on April 24, 2017, 04:43:56 pm
Hmmmmm....

Deadly Nightshade:

Pros: She's Black, a genius, super fine and can relate to T'Challa on a genius level. Loves leather.

Cons: She is/was a villain so that could be a problem should she stay in the crime life. But she is fine.

I've always wanted BP and Nightshade, and she was a hero last time we saw her, in Nighthawk's book.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 24, 2017, 05:23:41 pm
Hmmmmm....

Deadly Nightshade:

Pros: She's Black, a genius, super fine and can relate to T'Challa on a genius level. Loves leather.

Cons: She is/was a villain so that could be a problem should she stay in the crime life. But she is fine.

I've always wanted BP and Nightshade, and she was a hero last time we saw her, in Nighthawk's book.

She has joined the Occupy Avengers book.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on April 24, 2017, 05:53:59 pm
you guys are funny, I would congratulate anyone who had the balls to actually pick one of those characters as a LI just to troll people
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 25, 2017, 05:09:42 pm
Y'all want to blow up the internet? Fine!!!!!!!!!


([url]http://www.tradecardsonline.com/img/cards/vssystem-marvel/dream_cards/big/EmmaFrostBlackQueen.170078.20100210-123842.jpg[/url])

Emma Frost!

Pros:

She's as ruthless as T'Challa
She would rub that isht in Storm's face. Every. Single. Day.
She don't need to read his mind to know what he's thinking.
Scott would blow his own head off
She is a queen
Looks good in Black

Cons:

I would miss the X-Fans reactions at the news.

([url]https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.aHDkakLuyH6R3Tu6BM3dHwEsDh&w=205&h=160&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7[/url])


When is Namor gon finally snitch on her and tell T'Challa that she's the one who whispered sweet nothings about flooding Wakanda?

That would be straight out of a VH1 reality show. All season long Storm and Cyclops are furious, then BP is about to put a ring on Emma on the reunion show when Namor busts in like "T'Challa... there's something you should know.."

And Emma is like
 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1674567/black-bush-o.gif)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on April 25, 2017, 05:35:49 pm
Y'all want to blow up the internet? Fine!!!!!!!!!


([url]http://www.tradecardsonline.com/img/cards/vssystem-marvel/dream_cards/big/EmmaFrostBlackQueen.170078.20100210-123842.jpg[/url])

Emma Frost!

Pros:

She's as ruthless as T'Challa
She would rub that isht in Storm's face. Every. Single. Day.
She don't need to read his mind to know what he's thinking.
Scott would blow his own head off
She is a queen
Looks good in Black

Cons:

I would miss the X-Fans reactions at the news.

([url]https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.aHDkakLuyH6R3Tu6BM3dHwEsDh&w=205&h=160&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7[/url])


When is Namor gon finally snitch on her and tell T'Challa that she's the one who whispered sweet nothings about flooding Wakanda?

That would be straight out of a VH1 reality show. All season long Storm and Cyclops are furious, then BP is about to put a ring on Emma on the reunion show when Namor busts in like "T'Challa... there's something you should know.."

And Emma is like
 ([url]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1674567/black-bush-o.gif[/url])


Ha! That's when Storm rushes to T'Challa and says, "I'm here for you baby."
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on April 25, 2017, 05:43:50 pm
Naw..

Im here..

WITH YOUR BABY

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on April 25, 2017, 05:47:43 pm
Naw..

Im here..

WITH YOUR BABY

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH

Whodatis?

Dat's just my baby daddee!


(https://media.tenor.co/images/2f763d5dc6561140e834e75746d23081/raw)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 25, 2017, 06:04:54 pm
Naw..

Im here..

WITH YOUR BABY

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH


(http://i.imgur.com/rBqU8du.gif)

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 25, 2017, 08:55:04 pm
Let these last handful of posts be a testament to the type of vision and creativity that Marvel simply lacks in making comics great  8)

I rest my case.



lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on April 30, 2017, 12:29:28 pm
Shanna O'Harra

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/f2/Shanna_the_She-Devil_Vol_2_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090206233114)

Pros:

-She can fight raptors (never know when that may come in handy)
-She is technically African ;)
-Clearly doesn't skip leg day
-Is in tune with nature
-Likes black guys (Black Panther #7-8 House of M tie-in)


Cons:

-The homie 4sake would be furious
-Ka-Zar would be furious
-Everyone MindofShadow mentioned in the Carol cons list would be furious
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 30, 2017, 01:16:54 pm
Let these last handful of posts be a testament to the type of vision and creativity that Marvel simply lacks in making comics great  8)

I rest my case.



lol
I love everything in this crazy pitch.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on April 30, 2017, 01:28:44 pm
Honestly with all the BP hype, I wonder if there would be as much push back with them being together. Not married but dating.

Really be cool to see him hook up with a few people on the list, or atleast flirting around, throwing that kingly game around
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 30, 2017, 08:39:38 pm
Okay. Let's not trip here. Let's get all the way real.Stop subconsciously limiting TChalla. To even begin to speak of TChalla's mate? We must consider the incredible range and storied accomplishments of  ALL BP's, TChalla himself. [ King of the Dead thing one more once ] aaaand all of Wakanda. We need to go Cosmic. Mystic. A-List. AAAND Street Level. We need to go both Noble AND Ruthless. Therefore, in order to find a woman, a queen, for TChalla? We need the return of...SUPREME ILLUMINATION


TCHALLA AS COSMIC TCHALLA, HE WHO IS WORTHY TO WIELD THE INFINITY GAUNTLET VS GOD DOOM. Our current TChalla is still spiritually as grand as he always was [ even though he is infinitely less powerful ]. But his inclusion with THE ULTIMATESand his defeat of Thanos means he is more than worthy of being sought after by THE COSMIC QUEENS:






(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/73/56/33/735633a7ac0574d5e9f5d39892ce918d.jpg)
COSMIC QUEEN #1: MOONDRAGON

Pros: Are you KIDDING me? These two passages describing her official powers and abilities say it all:

" Heather Douglas is a human who has accessed her full psionic potential through extreme training under the Titanian monks of Shao-Lom. She is also highly educated in Titanian science and is a master martial artist..."

"...Moondragon has undergone extreme levels of training in the Titanian martial arts, as well as mental disciplines allowing her near-complete control over her body, including autonomic functions such as heartbeat, bleeding, and breathing, as well as awareness of pain. She has honed her strength, speed, stamina, agility and reflexes to her highest limits. Her martial arts skills have even allowed her to beat Captain America[29] and Mantis in hand-to-hand combat.[30]

This alone puts her in top contention, because she and TChalla could talk privately about how easy it was to spank Cap:

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/1262412-moondragon_vs_cap.jpg)



Heather possesses a genius intellect and is extremely knowledgeable in various areas of advanced Titanian scientific disciplines such as genetics and bionics and has been able to upgrade the cyborgs Ramrod[volume & issue needed] and Angar the Screamer[volume & issue needed] and restore Daredevil's eyesight[volume & issue needed]. She is also a highly skilled starship pilot..."

This lady achieved all of her abilities via a determination and genius that is the very hallmark of Wakandan magnificence. The entire nation of Wakanda is essentially a nation of low grade Moondragons...with spiritual and magic affinities, to boot. Her extreme "martial arts" regimen makes her one of the truly elite h2h fighters. Her colossal genius is not dependent upon her powers, but rather the other way around.

Plus? She's a White lady who naturally rocks The Dora Milaje look. She's the White Dragon of The Dora Milaje.

More Pros: She can go almost step for step with TChalla in every aspect of technology, spiritual development, prep, cunning, ruthlessness, fighting, etc plus she could give TChalla the plausible defense that LCBRD 616 heads would have to accept as being the reason that TChalla could and would rebuff mental or spiritual domination. There isn't anywhere that TChalla goes or anything that he does that she couldn't truly feel him on, and truly empathize with. This is Batman+Talia+Lady Shiva+[ a bunch of heads ] times five.

Cons: All of Carol Danvers' cons TIMES TEN. Plus? She was actually an active ENEMY of TChalla's and of Wakanda for a decade or so, there. Not even Carol can claim that to be the case for herself.


COSMIC QUEEN #2
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/59/64/945964f2a162fdf91c80d2fee31bd801.jpg)
LILANDRA DEATHBIRD

Pros: Ohhhh the X-kids will have a fairly profound myocardial infarction. Which all by itself makes this choice a winner.

However. Cementing in blood a alliance between The Shi'Ar...who are still happy from The Avengers and remembering that TChalla launched this 8th Reality which saved them all...and Wakanda, which had long had good relations with The Shi'Ar anyway? Is a very good look. Furthermore? We get to touch on something that only RH and Aaron hinted upon, and that is...WAKANDA IS A INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE/KINGDOM ITSELF. I delve into that in my fanfic.

She intimately understands the burden of the crown
She isn't a major player in anybody's story arc right now I think, but she still has the name wreck to pull some extra eyes toward BP and vice versa.
She has connects to the X-Verse which will cause vomiting amongst those inbred ingrates.
Crazy potential because her civilization still pretty much remains untapped.
And...Gladiator vs TChalla, anyone? That's not a guess. See, TChalla may take umbrage to the fact that the Shi'Ar allowed Thanos to invade Wakanda, and also passed on a chance to help Earth BEFORE the Incursions got essentially unstoppable, and AFTER The Avengers helped the Shi'Ar.

COSMIC QUEEN #3
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71z9smYQChS.jpg)
MANTIS/CELESTIAL MADONNA

PROS: I mean...bruh


CONS: Other than NOT being Ororo? Zero.


COSMIC QUEEN #4: THE DARK PHOENIX

   (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/a1/96/2ea196b7024b8f8845490524df53100b.jpg)

TChalla is one of the few in the MU to have wield more power than The Dark Phoenix, with his use of The Infinity Gauntlet. He made her possible again. This alone makes him hawt stuff and irresistable sexually to the now incarnated, separate and human form that is the dark side of Jean Grae [ see below ] as well as perhaps thee best and most important alternative for The Phoenix Force





But now let's look at the RUTHLESS QUEENS who could be paired with and fight with/against TChalla.

Somebody mentioned EMMA FROST. That was a good one, but I'll do you several levels better. Howzabout...


MADELYNE PRYOR, THE GOBLIN QUEEN

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4e/0a/ec/4e0aecd83ef594a77d11d9bdb79f6e77.jpg)

  (http://i59.tinypic.com/apa3xd.jpg)

This choice? Is the only choice that is remotely possible that would send the X-Office up in flames worse than TChalla bangin Storm or Emma Frost. I mean...this is TChalla essentially puttin The Down Stroke down on Jean Grae herself. The hate. The bile. The flaming meltdown of CBR. The ganxta way to flip that bullsh*t Logan+Ororo pairing back and top them with entrail eating fury. The way we in HEF would love every second of it.

Pros: The stories we could write with this here pairing, this here battle of wills, and TChalla's oath not to fight women? This would be a study in tactics, prep, magic vs tech, potent words more powerful than the most baleful spells or the mightiest ubertech. The immensely rare feast of the kind of nonstop inner and outer battles and wars that aren't h2h,a battle based and steeped in revelatory character qualities and studies, sex, morality, immorality, ruthlessness, politics, the grays and shadows between the grays and shadows and...more sex.

Cons: Bruh. Too many. Wakanda? Would like to kill TChalla behind this choice if he actually married her. TPG? WOULD kill TChalla behind this choice, if he actually married her. And Ramonda? Would slap the kitty ears off uh TChalla if TChalla got tuh being all romantical [ yes, I said "romantical" ] with Jean Gr--Madelyne Pryor. But each one of these "cons"? Could very well be flipped into beautiful creative PROS by the ill with the skills writer.

So. No marriage. Just a destructive tango of clashing wills and irresistable lust from both of them. Way more than Batman vs Catwoman or that other girl with the "night" like name, who came to prominence in the 80's and who also was a nearly irresistable love interest of the worst kind for The Dark Knight.






PRINCESS ZANDA OF NAROBIA

(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/zandacoa-threatening-storm.jpg)



LADY SELENE AKA SELENE GALLIO THE BLACK QUEEN

(https://comicbookinvest.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/selene1.jpg)


Let's look at the GODDESSES who could pursue TChalla and love him

VALKYRIE
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/82/86/ab/8286ab67429f2d02e1a560414bb7c59a.jpg)


Pros: Bruh
Cons: You already know

CLEA

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111204187/5117560-7657986899769070.png)



Why? Are you kidding me? TChalla being an incarnation of Baast, and TChalla vs Dormammu. Nuff said.

Pros: TChalla vs Dormammu. Rest of LCBRD having strokes at the sight of TChalla tonguing Clea and whoopin off on Dormammu

Cons: Wakandans? Not fans of nonWakandans. Especially powerful hocus pocus types

THE ENCHANTRESS

(http://marvelwomen.narod.ru/amora.jpg)



Straight out of Thor. Remember her? Well. With this new Eigth Reality...Guess who's coming to din-din! That's right. Our favorite problem causing Enchantress, the first to completely clown Professor X's telepathic ability with her mental prowess. She'd love TChalla for being the incomparable TChalla that he is. And oh yeah...Wakanda's cache of Mystic Vibranium sho' kaint her what with its ability to vastly amp her already tremendous power levels.

SATANA

Yall remember Satana Hellstrom? Sister of Daimon Hellstrom? She's the erstwhile "Daughter of Satan", and currently in Doctor Strange as one of the most powerful magic wielders on Earth. She would see TChalla as a far too yummy way to get power via the Wakandan Orisha, a far too sexy man to bypass [ faaar and away the most intriguing, the most interesting, the smartest, the most powerful, the most talented, the purest of soul, the most insatiably wonderful, and the sexiest she has ever known ], and way too powerful a person to not want to humble. She knows that her enthrallment and enchantment powers have zero sway over TChalla...and that makes the chase, the dance, the hunt of the Panther all the more satisfactory with her victory over him [ which she is prolly arrogantly immortal enough to think she can achieve ].

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/fe/Legion_of_Monsters_Satana_Vol_1_1_Solicit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070405204558)



BUT STILL. KEEPIN IT 100% REAL AND TRUE. WHO IS THE ACTUAL. TRUE. FOR REAL. NO BS QUEEN FOR TCHALLA?
 


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a0/4f/9b/a04f9b390e233c1ff7a5bc09c2ea49fc.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2e/ac/ef/2eacef880d6ff16326a4d60fb0bac4f5.jpg)



WE ALL KNOW THAT R TO THE H HAD IT RIGHT, AND WE ALL LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT. EMBRACE THE BLACK POWER OF IT ALL.













Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 30, 2017, 08:56:31 pm
My man (voiced in Denzel).  That's a post!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 08:09:58 am
Okay. Let's not trip here. Let's get all the way real.Stop subconsciously limiting TChalla. To even begin to speak of TChalla's mate? We must consider the incredible range and storied accomplishments of  ALL BP's, TChalla himself. [ King of the Dead thing one more once ] aaaand all of Wakanda. We need to go Cosmic. Mystic. A-List. AAAND Street Level. We need to go both Noble AND Ruthless. Therefore, in order to find a woman, a queen, for TChalla? We need the return of...SUPREME ILLUMINATION


TCHALLA AS COSMIC TCHALLA, HE WHO IS WORTHY TO WIELD THE INFINITY GAUNTLET VS GOD DOOM. Our current TChalla is still spiritually as grand as he always was [ even though he is infinitely less powerful ]. But his inclusion with THE ULTIMATESand his defeat of Thanos means he is more than worthy of being sought after by THE COSMIC QUEENS:






(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/73/56/33/735633a7ac0574d5e9f5d39892ce918d.jpg)
COSMIC QUEEN #1: MOONDRAGON

Pros: Are you KIDDING me? These two passages describing her official powers and abilities say it all:

" Heather Douglas is a human who has accessed her full psionic potential through extreme training under the Titanian monks of Shao-Lom. She is also highly educated in Titanian science and is a master martial artist..."

"...Moondragon has undergone extreme levels of training in the Titanian martial arts, as well as mental disciplines allowing her near-complete control over her body, including autonomic functions such as heartbeat, bleeding, and breathing, as well as awareness of pain. She has honed her strength, speed, stamina, agility and reflexes to her highest limits. Her martial arts skills have even allowed her to beat Captain America[29] and Mantis in hand-to-hand combat.[30]

This alone puts her in top contention, because she and TChalla could talk privately about how easy it was to spank Cap:

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/1262412-moondragon_vs_cap.jpg)



Heather possesses a genius intellect and is extremely knowledgeable in various areas of advanced Titanian scientific disciplines such as genetics and bionics and has been able to upgrade the cyborgs Ramrod[volume & issue needed] and Angar the Screamer[volume & issue needed] and restore Daredevil's eyesight[volume & issue needed]. She is also a highly skilled starship pilot..."

This lady achieved all of her abilities via a determination and genius that is the very hallmark of Wakandan magnificence. The entire nation of Wakanda is essentially a nation of low grade Moondragons...with spiritual and magic affinities, to boot. Her extreme "martial arts" regimen makes her one of the truly elite h2h fighters. Her colossal genius is not dependent upon her powers, but rather the other way around.

Plus? She's a White lady who naturally rocks The Dora Milaje look. She's the White Dragon of The Dora Milaje.

More Pros: She can go almost step for step with TChalla in every aspect of technology, spiritual development, prep, cunning, ruthlessness, fighting, etc plus she could give TChalla the plausible defense that LCBRD 616 heads would have to accept as being the reason that TChalla could and would rebuff mental or spiritual domination. There isn't anywhere that TChalla goes or anything that he does that she couldn't truly feel him on, and truly empathize with. This is Batman+Talia+Lady Shiva+[ a bunch of heads ] times five.

Cons: All of Carol Danvers' cons TIMES TEN. Plus? She was actually an active ENEMY of TChalla's and of Wakanda for a decade or so, there. Not even Carol can claim that to be the case for herself.


COSMIC QUEEN #2
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/59/64/945964f2a162fdf91c80d2fee31bd801.jpg)
LILANDRA DEATHBIRD

Pros: Ohhhh the X-kids will have a fairly profound myocardial infarction. Which all by itself makes this choice a winner.

However. Cementing in blood a alliance between The Shi'Ar...who are still happy from The Avengers and remembering that TChalla launched this 8th Reality which saved them all...and Wakanda, which had long had good relations with The Shi'Ar anyway? Is a very good look. Furthermore? We get to touch on something that only RH and Aaron hinted upon, and that is...WAKANDA IS A INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE/KINGDOM ITSELF. I delve into that in my fanfic.

She intimately understands the burden of the crown
She isn't a major player in anybody's story arc right now I think, but she still has the name wreck to pull some extra eyes toward BP and vice versa.
She has connects to the X-Verse which will cause vomiting amongst those inbred ingrates.
Crazy potential because her civilization still pretty much remains untapped.
And...Gladiator vs TChalla, anyone? That's not a guess. See, TChalla may take umbrage to the fact that the Shi'Ar allowed Thanos to invade Wakanda, and also passed on a chance to help Earth BEFORE the Incursions got essentially unstoppable, and AFTER The Avengers helped the Shi'Ar.

COSMIC QUEEN #3
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71z9smYQChS.jpg)
MANTIS/CELESTIAL MADONNA

PROS: I mean...bruh


CONS: Other than NOT being Ororo? Zero.


COSMIC QUEEN #4: THE DARK PHOENIX

   (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/a1/96/2ea196b7024b8f8845490524df53100b.jpg)

TChalla is one of the few in the MU to have wield more power than The Dark Phoenix, with his use of The Infinity Gauntlet. He made her possible again. This alone makes him hawt stuff and irresistable sexually to the now incarnated, separate and human form that is the dark side of Jean Grae [ see below ] as well as perhaps thee best and most important alternative for The Phoenix Force





But now let's look at the RUTHLESS QUEENS who could be paired with and fight with/against TChalla.

Somebody mentioned EMMA FROST. That was a good one, but I'll do you several levels better. Howzabout...


MADELYNE PRYOR, THE GOBLIN QUEEN

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4e/0a/ec/4e0aecd83ef594a77d11d9bdb79f6e77.jpg)

  (http://i59.tinypic.com/apa3xd.jpg)

This choice? Is the only choice that is remotely possible that would send the X-Office up in flames worse than TChalla bangin Storm or Emma Frost. I mean...this is TChalla essentially puttin The Down Stroke down on Jean Grae herself. The hate. The bile. The flaming meltdown of CBR. The ganxta way to flip that bullsh*t Logan+Ororo pairing back and top them with entrail eating fury. The way we in HEF would love every second of it.

Pros: The stories we could write with this here pairing, this here battle of wills, and TChalla's oath not to fight women? This would be a study in tactics, prep, magic vs tech, potent words more powerful than the most baleful spells or the mightiest ubertech. The immensely rare feast of the kind of nonstop inner and outer battles and wars that aren't h2h,a battle based and steeped in revelatory character qualities and studies, sex, morality, immorality, ruthlessness, politics, the grays and shadows between the grays and shadows and...more sex.

Cons: Bruh. Too many. Wakanda? Would like to kill TChalla behind this choice if he actually married her. TPG? WOULD kill TChalla behind this choice, if he actually married her. And Ramonda? Would slap the kitty ears off uh TChalla if TChalla got tuh being all romantical [ yes, I said "romantical" ] with Jean Gr--Madelyne Pryor. But each one of these "cons"? Could very well be flipped into beautiful creative PROS by the ill with the skills writer.

So. No marriage. Just a destructive tango of clashing wills and irresistable lust from both of them. Way more than Batman vs Catwoman or that other girl with the "night" like name, who came to prominence in the 80's and who also was a nearly irresistable love interest of the worst kind for The Dark Knight.






PRINCESS ZANDA OF NAROBIA

(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/zandacoa-threatening-storm.jpg)



LADY SELENE AKA SELENE GALLIO THE BLACK QUEEN

(https://comicbookinvest.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/selene1.jpg)


Let's look at the GODDESSES who could pursue TChalla and love him

VALKYRIE
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/82/86/ab/8286ab67429f2d02e1a560414bb7c59a.jpg)


Pros: Bruh
Cons: You already know

CLEA

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111204187/5117560-7657986899769070.png)



Why? Are you kidding me? TChalla being an incarnation of Baast, and TChalla vs Dormammu. Nuff said.

Pros: TChalla vs Dormammu. Rest of LCBRD having strokes at the sight of TChalla tonguing Clea and whoopin off on Dormammu

Cons: Wakandans? Not fans of nonWakandans. Especially powerful hocus pocus types

THE ENCHANTRESS

(http://marvelwomen.narod.ru/amora.jpg)



Straight out of Thor. Remember her? Well. With this new Eigth Reality...Guess who's coming to din-din! That's right. Our favorite problem causing Enchantress, the first to completely clown Professor X's telepathic ability with her mental prowess. She'd love TChalla for being the incomparable TChalla that he is. And oh yeah...Wakanda's cache of Mystic Vibranium sho' kaint her what with its ability to vastly amp her already tremendous power levels.

SATANA

Yall remember Satana Hellstrom? Sister of Daimon Hellstrom? She's the erstwhile "Daughter of Satan", and currently in Doctor Strange as one of the most powerful magic wielders on Earth. She would see TChalla as a far too yummy way to get power via the Wakandan Orisha, a far too sexy man to bypass [ faaar and away the most intriguing, the most interesting, the smartest, the most powerful, the most talented, the purest of soul, the most insatiably wonderful, and the sexiest she has ever known ], and way too powerful a person to not want to humble. She knows that her enthrallment and enchantment powers have zero sway over TChalla...and that makes the chase, the dance, the hunt of the Panther all the more satisfactory with her victory over him [ which she is prolly arrogantly immortal enough to think she can achieve ].

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/fe/Legion_of_Monsters_Satana_Vol_1_1_Solicit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070405204558)



BUT STILL. KEEPIN IT 100% REAL AND TRUE. WHO IS THE ACTUAL. TRUE. FOR REAL. NO BS QUEEN FOR TCHALLA?
 


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a0/4f/9b/a04f9b390e233c1ff7a5bc09c2ea49fc.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2e/ac/ef/2eacef880d6ff16326a4d60fb0bac4f5.jpg)



WE ALL KNOW THAT R TO THE H HAD IT RIGHT, AND WE ALL LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT. EMBRACE THE BLACK POWER OF IT ALL.


(http://www.free-animated-pictures.com/awesome-bomb-gif.gif)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on May 01, 2017, 11:01:07 am
Shanna O'Harra

([url]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/f2/Shanna_the_She-Devil_Vol_2_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090206233114[/url])

Pros:

-She can fight raptors (never know when that may come in handy)
-She is technically African ;)
-Clearly doesn't skip leg day
-Is in tune with nature
-Likes black guys (Black Panther #7-8 House of M tie-in)


Cons:

-The homie 4sake would be furious
-Ka-Zar would be furious
-Everyone MindofShadow mentioned in the Carol cons list would be furious



You know it my brother... Hell no to BP ( & Shuri aswell) to seriously dating  non black folks especially white girls & dudes..

a Black female (Preferably Wakanda) for BP
A black male (Preferably Wakanda) for Shuri..

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 12:01:09 pm
You know it my brother... Hell no to BP ( & Shuri aswell) to seriously dating  non black folks especially white girls & dudes..

a Black female (Preferably Wakanda) for BP
A black male (Preferably Wakanda) for Shuri..

Haha, all jokes aside, i'm right there with you on that.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 01, 2017, 12:06:31 pm
My man (voiced in Denzel).  That's a post!

Framing this response from R to the H and hanging it on my wall.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 01, 2017, 12:08:01 pm
Okay. Let's not trip here. Let's get all the way real.Stop subconsciously limiting TChalla. To even begin to speak of TChalla's mate? We must consider the incredible range and storied accomplishments of  ALL BP's, TChalla himself. [ King of the Dead thing one more once ] aaaand all of Wakanda. We need to go Cosmic. Mystic. A-List. AAAND Street Level. We need to go both Noble AND Ruthless. Therefore, in order to find a woman, a queen, for TChalla? We need the return of...SUPREME ILLUMINATION


TCHALLA AS COSMIC TCHALLA, HE WHO IS WORTHY TO WIELD THE INFINITY GAUNTLET VS GOD DOOM. Our current TChalla is still spiritually as grand as he always was [ even though he is infinitely less powerful ]. But his inclusion with THE ULTIMATESand his defeat of Thanos means he is more than worthy of being sought after by THE COSMIC QUEENS:






(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/73/56/33/735633a7ac0574d5e9f5d39892ce918d.jpg)
COSMIC QUEEN #1: MOONDRAGON

Pros: Are you KIDDING me? These two passages describing her official powers and abilities say it all:

" Heather Douglas is a human who has accessed her full psionic potential through extreme training under the Titanian monks of Shao-Lom. She is also highly educated in Titanian science and is a master martial artist..."

"...Moondragon has undergone extreme levels of training in the Titanian martial arts, as well as mental disciplines allowing her near-complete control over her body, including autonomic functions such as heartbeat, bleeding, and breathing, as well as awareness of pain. She has honed her strength, speed, stamina, agility and reflexes to her highest limits. Her martial arts skills have even allowed her to beat Captain America[29] and Mantis in hand-to-hand combat.[30]

This alone puts her in top contention, because she and TChalla could talk privately about how easy it was to spank Cap:

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/1262412-moondragon_vs_cap.jpg)



Heather possesses a genius intellect and is extremely knowledgeable in various areas of advanced Titanian scientific disciplines such as genetics and bionics and has been able to upgrade the cyborgs Ramrod[volume & issue needed] and Angar the Screamer[volume & issue needed] and restore Daredevil's eyesight[volume & issue needed]. She is also a highly skilled starship pilot..."

This lady achieved all of her abilities via a determination and genius that is the very hallmark of Wakandan magnificence. The entire nation of Wakanda is essentially a nation of low grade Moondragons...with spiritual and magic affinities, to boot. Her extreme "martial arts" regimen makes her one of the truly elite h2h fighters. Her colossal genius is not dependent upon her powers, but rather the other way around.

Plus? She's a White lady who naturally rocks The Dora Milaje look. She's the White Dragon of The Dora Milaje.

More Pros: She can go almost step for step with TChalla in every aspect of technology, spiritual development, prep, cunning, ruthlessness, fighting, etc plus she could give TChalla the plausible defense that LCBRD 616 heads would have to accept as being the reason that TChalla could and would rebuff mental or spiritual domination. There isn't anywhere that TChalla goes or anything that he does that she couldn't truly feel him on, and truly empathize with. This is Batman+Talia+Lady Shiva+[ a bunch of heads ] times five.

Cons: All of Carol Danvers' cons TIMES TEN. Plus? She was actually an active ENEMY of TChalla's and of Wakanda for a decade or so, there. Not even Carol can claim that to be the case for herself.


COSMIC QUEEN #2
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/59/64/945964f2a162fdf91c80d2fee31bd801.jpg)
LILANDRA DEATHBIRD

Pros: Ohhhh the X-kids will have a fairly profound myocardial infarction. Which all by itself makes this choice a winner.

However. Cementing in blood a alliance between The Shi'Ar...who are still happy from The Avengers and remembering that TChalla launched this 8th Reality which saved them all...and Wakanda, which had long had good relations with The Shi'Ar anyway? Is a very good look. Furthermore? We get to touch on something that only RH and Aaron hinted upon, and that is...WAKANDA IS A INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE/KINGDOM ITSELF. I delve into that in my fanfic.

She intimately understands the burden of the crown
She isn't a major player in anybody's story arc right now I think, but she still has the name wreck to pull some extra eyes toward BP and vice versa.
She has connects to the X-Verse which will cause vomiting amongst those inbred ingrates.
Crazy potential because her civilization still pretty much remains untapped.
And...Gladiator vs TChalla, anyone? That's not a guess. See, TChalla may take umbrage to the fact that the Shi'Ar allowed Thanos to invade Wakanda, and also passed on a chance to help Earth BEFORE the Incursions got essentially unstoppable, and AFTER The Avengers helped the Shi'Ar.

COSMIC QUEEN #3
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71z9smYQChS.jpg)
MANTIS/CELESTIAL MADONNA

PROS: I mean...bruh


CONS: Other than NOT being Ororo? Zero.


COSMIC QUEEN #4: THE DARK PHOENIX

   (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/a1/96/2ea196b7024b8f8845490524df53100b.jpg)

TChalla is one of the few in the MU to have wield more power than The Dark Phoenix, with his use of The Infinity Gauntlet. He made her possible again. This alone makes him hawt stuff and irresistable sexually to the now incarnated, separate and human form that is the dark side of Jean Grae [ see below ] as well as perhaps thee best and most important alternative for The Phoenix Force





But now let's look at the RUTHLESS QUEENS who could be paired with and fight with/against TChalla.

Somebody mentioned EMMA FROST. That was a good one, but I'll do you several levels better. Howzabout...


MADELYNE PRYOR, THE GOBLIN QUEEN

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4e/0a/ec/4e0aecd83ef594a77d11d9bdb79f6e77.jpg)

  (http://i59.tinypic.com/apa3xd.jpg)

This choice? Is the only choice that is remotely possible that would send the X-Office up in flames worse than TChalla bangin Storm or Emma Frost. I mean...this is TChalla essentially puttin The Down Stroke down on Jean Grae herself. The hate. The bile. The flaming meltdown of CBR. The ganxta way to flip that bullsh*t Logan+Ororo pairing back and top them with entrail eating fury. The way we in HEF would love every second of it.

Pros: The stories we could write with this here pairing, this here battle of wills, and TChalla's oath not to fight women? This would be a study in tactics, prep, magic vs tech, potent words more powerful than the most baleful spells or the mightiest ubertech. The immensely rare feast of the kind of nonstop inner and outer battles and wars that aren't h2h,a battle based and steeped in revelatory character qualities and studies, sex, morality, immorality, ruthlessness, politics, the grays and shadows between the grays and shadows and...more sex.

Cons: Bruh. Too many. Wakanda? Would like to kill TChalla behind this choice if he actually married her. TPG? WOULD kill TChalla behind this choice, if he actually married her. And Ramonda? Would slap the kitty ears off uh TChalla if TChalla got tuh being all romantical [ yes, I said "romantical" ] with Jean Gr--Madelyne Pryor. But each one of these "cons"? Could very well be flipped into beautiful creative PROS by the ill with the skills writer.

So. No marriage. Just a destructive tango of clashing wills and irresistable lust from both of them. Way more than Batman vs Catwoman or that other girl with the "night" like name, who came to prominence in the 80's and who also was a nearly irresistable love interest of the worst kind for The Dark Knight.






PRINCESS ZANDA OF NAROBIA

(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/zandacoa-threatening-storm.jpg)



LADY SELENE AKA SELENE GALLIO THE BLACK QUEEN

(https://comicbookinvest.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/selene1.jpg)


Let's look at the GODDESSES who could pursue TChalla and love him

VALKYRIE
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/82/86/ab/8286ab67429f2d02e1a560414bb7c59a.jpg)


Pros: Bruh
Cons: You already know

CLEA

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111204187/5117560-7657986899769070.png)



Why? Are you kidding me? TChalla being an incarnation of Baast, and TChalla vs Dormammu. Nuff said.

Pros: TChalla vs Dormammu. Rest of LCBRD having strokes at the sight of TChalla tonguing Clea and whoopin off on Dormammu

Cons: Wakandans? Not fans of nonWakandans. Especially powerful hocus pocus types

THE ENCHANTRESS

(http://marvelwomen.narod.ru/amora.jpg)



Straight out of Thor. Remember her? Well. With this new Eigth Reality...Guess who's coming to din-din! That's right. Our favorite problem causing Enchantress, the first to completely clown Professor X's telepathic ability with her mental prowess. She'd love TChalla for being the incomparable TChalla that he is. And oh yeah...Wakanda's cache of Mystic Vibranium sho' kaint her what with its ability to vastly amp her already tremendous power levels.

SATANA

Yall remember Satana Hellstrom? Sister of Daimon Hellstrom? She's the erstwhile "Daughter of Satan", and currently in Doctor Strange as one of the most powerful magic wielders on Earth. She would see TChalla as a far too yummy way to get power via the Wakandan Orisha, a far too sexy man to bypass [ faaar and away the most intriguing, the most interesting, the smartest, the most powerful, the most talented, the purest of soul, the most insatiably wonderful, and the sexiest she has ever known ], and way too powerful a person to not want to humble. She knows that her enthrallment and enchantment powers have zero sway over TChalla...and that makes the chase, the dance, the hunt of the Panther all the more satisfactory with her victory over him [ which she is prolly arrogantly immortal enough to think she can achieve ].

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/fe/Legion_of_Monsters_Satana_Vol_1_1_Solicit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070405204558)



BUT STILL. KEEPIN IT 100% REAL AND TRUE. WHO IS THE ACTUAL. TRUE. FOR REAL. NO BS QUEEN FOR TCHALLA?
 


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a0/4f/9b/a04f9b390e233c1ff7a5bc09c2ea49fc.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2e/ac/ef/2eacef880d6ff16326a4d60fb0bac4f5.jpg)



WE ALL KNOW THAT R TO THE H HAD IT RIGHT, AND WE ALL LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT. EMBRACE THE BLACK POWER OF IT ALL.


(http://www.free-animated-pictures.com/awesome-bomb-gif.gif)



OHHHHH THAT GIF DOE!!! OHHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 12:15:46 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/56/5c/d8565c36b4f2d5c2b20f1b4a7bfe7413.jpg)


Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on May 01, 2017, 12:27:26 pm
You know it my brother... Hell no to BP ( & Shuri aswell) to seriously dating  non black folks especially white girls & dudes..

a Black female (Preferably Wakanda) for BP
A black male (Preferably Wakanda) for Shuri..

Haha, all jokes aside, i'm right there with you on that.

And that why we get along my brother..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on May 01, 2017, 12:29:17 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/56/5c/d8565c36b4f2d5c2b20f1b4a7bfe7413.jpg)


Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.

What wasted potential, if marvel tired they could've done something major with her..

Also they should reavel that Albert Cleary ( of Damage Control ) is her husband & father of the child..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on May 01, 2017, 03:38:17 pm
You know it my brother... Hell no to BP ( & Shuri aswell) to seriously dating  non black folks especially white girls & dudes..

a Black female (Preferably Wakanda) for BP
A black male (Preferably Wakanda) for Shuri..


Haha, all jokes aside, i'm right there with you on that.


You laugh but we got a real fight going on here! Battle for the Black Panther! Two Women enter! Not sure if anyone is going to leave though.

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22000000/Emma-Frost-emma-frost-22036816-756-1056.jpg)

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 01, 2017, 03:59:39 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/56/5c/d8565c36b4f2d5c2b20f1b4a7bfe7413.jpg)


Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.


Well since she is a Hickman created character, She can also just be retconned a little. She loses a vast amount of her power given it drives her insane, SO She goes to T'Challa for help in getting it to a safe level to operate without fear of insanity. She is grateful for his help *hint* *Hint*  and from there you can work. So she goes from Super Cosmic level Ex Machina, To a power house, but not an unstoppable force. She is completely open to be molded into whatever for her mythos, and Its a WoC that is powerful, Even if she has been depowered (Again this makes sense as to make her more accessible to be used in stories). thewre are really a number of ways to make get use out of her and to integrate her into the greater MU
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 04:32:08 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/56/5c/d8565c36b4f2d5c2b20f1b4a7bfe7413.jpg)


Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.


Well since she is a Hickman created character, She can also just be retconned a little. She loses a vast amount of her power given it drives her insane, SO She goes to T'Challa for help in getting it to a safe level to operate without fear of insanity. She is grateful for his help *hint* *Hint*  and from there you can work. So she goes from Super Cosmic level Ex Machina, To a power house, but not an unstoppable force. She is completely open to be molded into whatever for her mythos, and Its a WoC that is powerful, Even if she has been depowered (Again this makes sense as to make her more accessible to be used in stories). thewre are really a number of ways to make get use out of her and to integrate her into the greater MU
Heheh.  Who needs Dark Phoenix when you can assign that same role to Tamara?  Seriously.

Have T'Challa help her access and channel her powers but have the Cap Universe sentient entity remain dormant in her so that in highly stressful situations, the entity awakens, takes control and all things are liable to go to sh*t.

I'd also have the entity recognize T'Challa as someone it's host has an emotional calming attachment to and that it finds amusement but also usefulness in that.  So the entity and T'Challa have a rocky understanding that underlines Tamara and T'Challa's romantic one.

Plus all the tension from Avengers, the world, Wakanda, etc about the world's most powerful man in cohorts with a woman who is occasionally possessed by a galaxy busting smug cosmic symbiotic thing.

She'd totally kick Jean Grey's ass
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 04:35:28 pm
You know it my brother... Hell no to BP ( & Shuri aswell) to seriously dating  non black folks especially white girls & dudes..

a Black female (Preferably Wakanda) for BP
A black male (Preferably Wakanda) for Shuri..


Haha, all jokes aside, i'm right there with you on that.


You laugh but we got a real fight going on here! Battle for the Black Panther! Two Women enter! Not sure if anyone is going to leave though.

([url]http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22000000/Emma-Frost-emma-frost-22036816-756-1056.jpg[/url])


Why can't he have both?

(http://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif)

Oreos!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 01, 2017, 04:50:40 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/56/5c/d8565c36b4f2d5c2b20f1b4a7bfe7413.jpg)


Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.


Well since she is a Hickman created character, She can also just be retconned a little. She loses a vast amount of her power given it drives her insane, SO She goes to T'Challa for help in getting it to a safe level to operate without fear of insanity. She is grateful for his help *hint* *Hint*  and from there you can work. So she goes from Super Cosmic level Ex Machina, To a power house, but not an unstoppable force. She is completely open to be molded into whatever for her mythos, and Its a WoC that is powerful, Even if she has been depowered (Again this makes sense as to make her more accessible to be used in stories). thewre are really a number of ways to make get use out of her and to integrate her into the greater MU
Heheh.  Who needs Dark Phoenix when you can assign that same role to Tamara?  Seriously.

Have T'Challa help her access and channel her powers but have the Cap Universe sentient entity remain dormant in her so that in highly stressful situations, the entity awakens, takes control and all things are liable to go to sh*t.

I'd also have the entity recognize T'Challa as someone it's host has an emotional calming attachment to and that it finds amusement but also usefulness in that.  So the entity and T'Challa have a rocky understanding that underlines Tamara and T'Challa's romantic one.

Plus all the tension from Avengers, the world, Wakanda, etc about the world's most powerful man in cohorts with a woman who is occasionally possessed by a galaxy busting smug cosmic symbiotic thing.

She'd totally kick Jean Grey's ass

Yes that would work out well too. I like it. I only say cut out the Cosmic just do that it doesn't get over used as a ex machina. But there are ways around this. And for that I would day turn to anime/mangas, though characters who possessed by another entity of enormous power aren't on a universal cosmic level, it can Still apply those those rules for how the power is in check. But having something like the Phoenix except not totally evil but dangerous none the less due to the mental strain could be fun, plus she isn't being used and  is not bound to any franchise so she could find a place with BPs world, and could be a chance to showcase how Wakanda handles it's business
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 04:56:38 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/56/5c/d8565c36b4f2d5c2b20f1b4a7bfe7413.jpg)


Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.


Well since she is a Hickman created character, She can also just be retconned a little. She loses a vast amount of her power given it drives her insane, SO She goes to T'Challa for help in getting it to a safe level to operate without fear of insanity. She is grateful for his help *hint* *Hint*  and from there you can work. So she goes from Super Cosmic level Ex Machina, To a power house, but not an unstoppable force. She is completely open to be molded into whatever for her mythos, and Its a WoC that is powerful, Even if she has been depowered (Again this makes sense as to make her more accessible to be used in stories). thewre are really a number of ways to make get use out of her and to integrate her into the greater MU
Heheh.  Who needs Dark Phoenix when you can assign that same role to Tamara?  Seriously.

Have T'Challa help her access and channel her powers but have the Cap Universe sentient entity remain dormant in her so that in highly stressful situations, the entity awakens, takes control and all things are liable to go to sh*t.

I'd also have the entity recognize T'Challa as someone it's host has an emotional calming attachment to and that it finds amusement but also usefulness in that.  So the entity and T'Challa have a rocky understanding that underlines Tamara and T'Challa's romantic one.

Plus all the tension from Avengers, the world, Wakanda, etc about the world's most powerful man in cohorts with a woman who is occasionally possessed by a galaxy busting smug cosmic symbiotic thing.

She'd totally kick Jean Grey's ass

Yes that would work out well too. I like it. I only say cut out the Cosmic just do that it doesn't get over used as a ex machina. But there are ways around this. And for that I would day turn to anime/mangas, though characters who possessed by another entity of enormous power aren't on a universal cosmic level, it can Still apply those those rules for how the power is in check. But having something like the Phoenix except not totally evil but dangerous none the less due to the mental strain could be fun, plus she isn't being used and  is not bound to any franchise so she could find a place with BPs world, and could be a chance to showcase how Wakanda handles it's business

I'm sold!  How do we make this happen?

What draft picks do we have to give up to acquire her into the Black Panther mytho?  I'm pretty sure we could get her for the cheap.  It'd be the steal of the century!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 01, 2017, 04:57:54 pm
Does Moon Girl have a mother?

Can Tamara be her mother?

Might as well go all in with the recton  :D
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 01, 2017, 05:29:26 pm
Speaking of keeping it black, and heavily inspired by the honorable supreme illuminati:

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Captain Universe

(Tamara Devoux)

(black girl magic cosmic)


Pros:

- Is all powerful
- Likes pies
- Black woman

Cons:


- Is all powerful
- Single mom (ducks thrown pie) but there is NOTHING wrong with that!  I'm just saying:  baggage, always needing a babysitter, can't be spontaneous, baby daddy drama, constantly asking if you like kids, wants you to meet the kid but you're not sure if things are going to workout so why rush it and set the lil twerp up for disappointment but if you say that she'll take it as you not liking kids or not wanting to be with a woman with kids so now all good will you established is now down the drain plus she is all powerful and you know how all powerful cosmic black women get when you tick them off.  Just look at black twitter.


Well since she is a Hickman created character, She can also just be retconned a little. She loses a vast amount of her power given it drives her insane, SO She goes to T'Challa for help in getting it to a safe level to operate without fear of insanity. She is grateful for his help *hint* *Hint*  and from there you can work. So she goes from Super Cosmic level Ex Machina, To a power house, but not an unstoppable force. She is completely open to be molded into whatever for her mythos, and Its a WoC that is powerful, Even if she has been depowered (Again this makes sense as to make her more accessible to be used in stories). thewre are really a number of ways to make get use out of her and to integrate her into the greater MU
Heheh.  Who needs Dark Phoenix when you can assign that same role to Tamara?  Seriously.

Have T'Challa help her access and channel her powers but have the Cap Universe sentient entity remain dormant in her so that in highly stressful situations, the entity awakens, takes control and all things are liable to go to sh*t.

I'd also have the entity recognize T'Challa as someone it's host has an emotional calming attachment to and that it finds amusement but also usefulness in that.  So the entity and T'Challa have a rocky understanding that underlines Tamara and T'Challa's romantic one.

Plus all the tension from Avengers, the world, Wakanda, etc about the world's most powerful man in cohorts with a woman who is occasionally possessed by a galaxy busting smug cosmic symbiotic thing.

She'd totally kick Jean Grey's ass

Yes that would work out well too. I like it. I only say cut out the Cosmic just do that it doesn't get over used as a ex machina. But there are ways around this. And for that I would day turn to anime/mangas, though characters who possessed by another entity of enormous power aren't on a universal cosmic level, it can Still apply those those rules for how the power is in check. But having something like the Phoenix except not totally evil but dangerous none the less due to the mental strain could be fun, plus she isn't being used and  is not bound to any franchise so she could find a place with BPs world, and could be a chance to showcase how Wakanda handles it's business

I'm sold!  How do we make this happen?

What draft picks do we have to give up to acquire her into the Black Panther mytho?  I'm pretty sure we could get her for the cheap.  It'd be the steal of the century!

personally I would probably retconn out the kid myself or something.too much of an opportunity to have that being used negatively. And ties her down too much to not be able to go on fun adventures.

Then have her crash land in Wakanda, stirring up some trouble a little, enter the Wakandan army showing them holding her at bay from rampaging, enter Tchalla, using some mega genius to neutralize her, recognizes her based on what down in TRO and what he was told from Tony,  puts a power dampener on her, they talk, she had been trying to find a way to control the power, he helps, attraction kicks in and wham bam thank you mam she is apart of the mythos
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 01, 2017, 06:16:53 pm

I'm sold!  How do we make this happen?

What draft picks do we have to give up to acquire her into the Black Panther mytho?  I'm pretty sure we could get her for the cheap.  It'd be the steal of the century!

Probably half to give up a first round Tchalla beats someone easil and a second round Wakanda doesn't destroyed at some future unspecified time. lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 01, 2017, 10:00:19 pm

I'm sold!  How do we make this happen?

What draft picks do we have to give up to acquire her into the Black Panther mytho?  I'm pretty sure we could get her for the cheap.  It'd be the steal of the century!

Probably half to give up a first round Tchalla beats someone easil and a second round Wakanda doesn't destroyed at some future unspecified time. lol

Under Coates pen yes, under a real BP scribe,
I'm sure they could think of something. She is really a star candidate to elevate to high levels of exploration  unhindered by other offices throwing a hissy fit
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 02, 2017, 05:04:56 am
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God what is this Captain Plot Device love going on?

Because she black? bc she likes pie? do we even know what kind of pie she likes? What if she likes crappy razberry pie or something? instead of the true king, strawberry ruhbarb?

She was the worst character in Hickman's run. Hang around, make jokes about pie, and then YAY fix everything!

ugh
ugh
ugh

I'd rather t'challa grovel for storm or go back to Monica Lynn than hang around a walking plot device.

Writers have a hard enough time coming up with real "threats" to wakanda and t'challa and yall wanna have him hang around a character who snaps her fingers and fixes everything?

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Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: The Wakandan on May 02, 2017, 05:41:18 am
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God what is this Captain Plot Device love going on?

Because she black? bc she likes pie? do we even know what kind of pie she likes? What if she likes crappy razberry pie or something? instead of the true king, strawberry ruhbarb?

She was the worst character in Hickman's run. Hang around, make jokes about pie, and then YAY fix everything!

ugh
ugh
ugh

I'd rather t'challa grovel for storm or go back to Monica Lynn than hang around a walking plot device.

Writers have a hard enough time coming up with real "threats" to wakanda and t'challa and yall wanna have him hang around a character who snaps her fingers and fixes everything?

([url]https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif[/url])


Damn dude lol  ;D
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 02, 2017, 06:06:15 am
How come T'challa's true ride or die chick gets no love?


(http://worldofblackheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/okoye3.jpg)


Pros:

- She was literally T'challa ride or die girl. 100% by his side no matter what. Accepted her role as body guard with 100% loyalty. Never wavered. Never failed. The king wants to go to Harlem and hide out and die of an aneurysm? Okoye went with him. Never played games like "insert every love interest." Never went crazy like Nakia. Never was a sass mongrel like QDJ. Okoye would have follwed t'challa into the depths of hell and gladly died for him. Okoye would have personally bitch slapped Aneka and Ayo for acting a fool.

- MCU confirmed.

- Wakandan

- 100% control in the mythos

- rags to riches disney princess story


Cons:


- Is she dead though? Did hudlin kill her off when Doom attacked? My head canon was that she was the Dora T'challa jumped in front of to save because... OKOYE IS HIS TRUE RIDE OR DIE GIRL! Why else would T'challa jump in front of his bodyguards unless it was Okoye?

Why wasn't Okoye brought back as a force ghost? Mr feminist Coates didn't bring back any of the fallen Doras? Is she not dead? Then wehre is she? HUDLIN WHERE IS OKOYE!!!!

- might be too young...

- marrying a dora might be weird but since the DM are no longer around... no longer weird.


BRING BACK OKOYE!

SHE AINT DEAD, TCHALLA JUST BOUGHT HER AN ISLAND FOR HER YEARS OF SERVICE AND SHE IS LIVING LIFE RETIRED!



Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 02, 2017, 09:08:36 am
How come T'challa's true ride or die chick gets no love?


([url]http://worldofblackheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/okoye3.jpg[/url])


Pros:

- She was literally T'challa ride or die girl. 100% by his side no matter what. Accepted her role as body guard with 100% loyalty. Never wavered. Never failed. The king wants to go to Harlem and hide out and die of an aneurysm? Okoye went with him. Never played games like "insert every love interest." Never went crazy like Nakia. Never was a sass mongrel like QDJ. Okoye would have follwed t'challa into the depths of hell and gladly died for him. Okoye would have personally bitch slapped Aneka and Ayo for acting a fool.

- MCU confirmed.

- Wakandan

- 100% control in the mythos

- rags to riches disney princess story


Cons:


- Is she dead though? Did hudlin kill her off when Doom attacked? My head canon was that she was the Dora T'challa jumped in front of to save because... OKOYE IS HIS TRUE RIDE OR DIE GIRL! Why else would T'challa jump in front of his bodyguards unless it was Okoye?

Why wasn't Okoye brought back as a force ghost? Mr feminist Coates didn't bring back any of the fallen Doras? Is she not dead? Then wehre is she? HUDLIN WHERE IS OKOYE!!!!

- might be too young...

- marrying a dora might be weird but since the DM are no longer around... no longer weird.


BRING BACK OKOYE!

SHE AINT DEAD, TCHALLA JUST BOUGHT HER AN ISLAND FOR HER YEARS OF SERVICE AND SHE IS LIVING LIFE RETIRED!



We talked about this on the original Hudlin HEF. Back then? I remember saying she is too young. Not the recently upward adjusted middle 20th Century American "too young" [ because in 1900, a grown many marrying a 12 year old didn't raise too many eyebrows in the U.S. of A. ], I meant from the cultural Wakandan perspective. She was 17 at the time, but Monica Lynne specifically said that he looked at them as "children". Almost like nieces, is the vibe that I got.

But that was 2006. 11 years later? She's 28. Whole nother ball game, now.

Still though? STORM mobs on everyone else. Really that simple. Storm is really and truly organically made to fit seamlessly with TChalla, and again we can draw upon the hallowed prehistory as written by that fetishist but potent writer, Chris Claremont.

 After STORM? I can see someone shouting Okoye...but she don't have no real 616 shine. There would have to be real 616 shine...that didn't trample on the spotlight of "The Ancient Future" [ I like that! Coates did that right ] because a good writer would realize that writing TChalla and his Royal Family and Crew is essentially writing a team book that has about 50% of its shine on TChalla [ or TChalla+Storm his wife+Shuri+Hunter+Ramonda; yes RAMONDA! She is CRIMINALLY underplayed; such riches in her past as a character, and we need to return to PRIEST HUNTER, who is MY DAWG ] with the other characters divvying up the remaining 50%. Kinda like the early seasons of CHARMED where it was really PRU+HER SISTERS...but way better written, and minus the corny. Hahahahah, I joke. I kid.

Captain Universe. She would be a TERRIFIC addition. And NO, my bruthas and sistahs...she couldn't just snap her fingers n fix thing. In the Eighth Reality? Thangs ain't so simple as allat. Furthermore? She would be a very able and capable Star Commander or whatnot for Wakanda the INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE. Who would be better fit to oversee allat besides Captain Universe? Plus...overseeing the Interstellar Empire of Wakanda is a TERRIFIC PLACE to store characters like S'Yan, W'Kabi, Zuri, etc who were allegedly killed previously. They ain't dead. TChalla...all with the uberprep...fixed up some LMD's, swapped em with the allegedly murdered Royals, let the Royals get payback on their "killers", and then these same Royals bounced to the Interstellar Front to deal with Interstellar threats and matters.

Like Wakanda would be caught slippin on the Interstellar Front. They monitor GALACTUS, for Chrissakes. They not worried bout Thanos, Phoenix Force, etc because they keep their wary Wakandan watch on them all.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 02, 2017, 09:16:06 am
Hahah

I will now be a Captain Universe / Tamara fanboy for the indefinite future, just off the shear disgust MoS displayed for her  ;D  ;)

Tamara and T'Challa Forever!

#CosmicBae!

#SingleMothersWinning!

#DarkPhoenixWHO?

 8)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 02, 2017, 09:21:16 am
Captain Universe. She would be a TERRIFIC addition. And NO, my bruthas and sistahs...she couldn't just snap her fingers n fix thing. In the Eighth Reality? Thangs ain't so simple as allat. Furthermore? She would be a very able and capable Star Commander or whatnot for Wakanda the INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE. Who would be better fit to oversee allat besides Captain Universe? Plus...overseeing the Interstellar Empire of Wakanda is a TERRIFIC PLACE to store characters like S'Yan, W'Kabi, Zuri, etc who were allegedly killed previously. They ain't dead. TChalla...all with the uberprep...fixed up some LMD's, swapped em with the allegedly murdered Royals, let the Royals get payback on their "killers", and then these same Royals bounced to the Interstellar Front to deal with Interstellar threats and matters.

Like Wakanda would be caught slippin on the Interstellar Front. They monitor GALACTUS, for Chrissakes. They not worried bout Thanos, Phoenix Force, etc because they keep their wary Wakandan watch on them all.

I agree 110%.  Outstanding, thought provoking and undeniably accurate post my g!  heheh


I'm sold!  How do we make this happen?

What draft picks do we have to give up to acquire her into the Black Panther mytho?  I'm pretty sure we could get her for the cheap.  It'd be the steal of the century!

Probably half to give up a first round Tchalla beats someone easil and a second round Wakanda doesn't destroyed at some future unspecified time. lol

We may not have the assets to make this trade tho  :-\

We've lost so many picks over the years as is  :'(

And aint got ish in return  >:(
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 02, 2017, 10:42:13 am
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God what is this Captain Plot Device love going on?

Because she black? bc she likes pie? do we even know what kind of pie she likes? What if she likes crappy razberry pie or something? instead of the true king, strawberry ruhbarb?

She was the worst character in Hickman's run. Hang around, make jokes about pie, and then YAY fix everything!

ugh
ugh
ugh

I'd rather t'challa grovel for storm or go back to Monica Lynn than hang around a walking plot device.

Writers have a hard enough time coming up with real "threats" to wakanda and t'challa and yall wanna have him hang around a character who snaps her fingers and fixes everything?

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LOL. Well to me, She would only work if she is depowered (as she is too powerful and too much power can make it harder to tell stories with Real stakes) by a great amount, having at most 75% of her original power left. The point being, though is that she is an open canvas and there could be alot done with her, She is a WoC, she has is able to be molded however given no history, and no ties to a franchise. We need more WoC so why not use her? Again if she is depowered so its not a Ex Machina everytime she shows up then i think it would be okay
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 02, 2017, 10:47:56 am
Better off just creating a Wakandan mutate then with powers and having 100% absolute control than using such a Z list garbage character who has no fans anyway so it isn't like she is bringing in all this attention and great rich back history.


Creating Gwazi the Wakandan who got powers from raw vibranium after  saving civilians from the collapsing Vibranium Mound during one of thanos romps instead of using Captain Universe... you lose all of 1 fan
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 02, 2017, 11:12:18 am
They're all going to be z-list garbage characters with no fans, at start.  New Wakandan or not.

I don't really see the animosity for this particular z-lister, unless it's just by association with Hickman or b/c she's not Wakandan. <--  In which case 99% of the women suggested here aint sh*t.  Which may very well be the case, but that's addressed in most of the cons anyway
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 02, 2017, 11:27:16 am
They're all going to be z-list garbage characters with no fans, at start.  New Wakandan or not.

I don't really see the animosity for this particular z-lister, unless it's just by association with Hickman or b/c she's not Wakandan. <--  In which case 99% of the women suggested here aint sh*t.  Which may very well be the case, but that's addressed in most of the cons anyway

1. not a fan of cosmic T'challa. so giving him a cosmic bride is just bleh

2. i found her incredibly annoying in Hickmans run. Both in a plot device way and all her "development" was a waste of panel. Maybe she got better elsewhere and became a real character in some other book but Hickman Captain Universe was groan worthy

3. A little fire in a thread never hurt anyone lol

4. She is such a blank slate there is nothing to offer than you coulnd't get from just making a new character. Either take a character with some history so that the history enriches the story, take a character with fans so they transfer over (but that can be a curse ala Storm), or just make a new character. Makes more sense than connecting to someone like Captain Plot.


Plus doesn't she have a kid? Oh lawd, heir to Wakandan throne is not Wakandan. That  should be more outrageous than any white chick lol

(https://media.tenor.co/images/ede9cdb17ea005b363df6d4ac6ca72a0/tenor.gif)



mostly I jest because not like its gonna happen anyway.

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Things Fall Apart on May 02, 2017, 11:45:03 am
Unless you can prove to me that any of these women can throw down on making the world's finest pizza I'm not accepting any of this.

Everyone knows the way to Panther's heart is through a pie. 
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Salustrade on May 02, 2017, 11:58:20 am
Mr Hudlin created the perfect power couple in T'Challa and Ororo.

End of.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Vic Vega on May 02, 2017, 12:42:40 pm
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God what is this Captain Plot Device love going on?

Because she black? bc she likes pie? do we even know what kind of pie she likes? What if she likes crappy razberry pie or something? instead of the true king, strawberry ruhbarb?

She was the worst character in Hickman's run. Hang around, make jokes about pie, and then YAY fix everything!

ugh
ugh
ugh

I'd rather t'challa grovel for storm or go back to Monica Lynn than hang around a walking plot device.

Writers have a hard enough time coming up with real "threats" to wakanda and t'challa and yall wanna have him hang around a character who snaps her fingers and fixes everything?

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She disappeared 2/3 of the way thru Hickman's run and NO ONE NOTICED OR CARED.

So whatever any BP writer does with her in future will be fine because even by the standard of comic fandom where every character somewhere matters to somebody somewhere we have objective evidence that nobody gives a f*ck about Captain Universe.

That is a point in her favor, BTW.

Even Monica Rambeau has fans somewhere (all 20 of them) and they all are on the net (because of course they are). But you could shoot Captain Universe out of a cannon into the Kingpin's ass crack and nobody would make a peep.

Not even to say "nice shot".

BTW If they were to bring back Monica Lynn there would be none of these "how do you make X work" problems as being T'Challa's L.I. is the whole point of the character.

You can't go wrong if you go old-school: in house L.I., best buddy and foil.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 02, 2017, 01:01:17 pm

Plus doesn't she have a kid? Oh lawd, heir to Wakandan throne is not Wakandan. That  should be more outrageous than any white chick lol

(https://media.tenor.co/images/ede9cdb17ea005b363df6d4ac6ca72a0/tenor.gif)


See, I knew this was going to be the real deal breaker.  You guys didn't have to mask with all that other goobly goop yall wrote.  :(

Stay strong Tamara
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 02, 2017, 01:22:17 pm

Plus doesn't she have a kid? Oh lawd, heir to Wakandan throne is not Wakandan. That  should be more outrageous than any white chick lol

(https://media.tenor.co/images/ede9cdb17ea005b363df6d4ac6ca72a0/tenor.gif)


See, I knew this was going to be the real deal breaker.  You guys didn't have to mask with all that other goobly goop yall wrote.  :(

Stay strong Tamara


HAHAHAHAHA

I actually forgot until I read her wiki again looking for someway to make her not suck.

Im the "give T'challa a secret heir" fan club president...

kid needs to be his though.

Where is monica lynn hiding that secret kid at? Bring'em out bring'em out.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 02, 2017, 02:10:46 pm
I say her because she has power, you can reduce her power when the universe was restored, hell, you could retcon that she doesn't have a child anymore due to cosmic mumbo-jumbo, or ignore it altogether. She would be another WoC with powers that could be expanded into the rest of the MU, but her home base is BP franchise. If Coates could say that Shuri was put into living death then anything is possible.

Pluss there is storm and Monica for Black Women with actual powers and  I don't mind if storm becomes bae, but not if x office is gonna pull bullsh*t again.

So reduce her cosmic powers dramatically (hell let Tchalla be the one who neutralized a vast majority of her power to save her life and boom she can be a heavy hitter without Being a walking plot device
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 03, 2017, 05:37:40 pm
Okay. Let's not trip here. Let's get all the way real.Stop subconsciously limiting TChalla. To even begin to speak of TChalla's mate? We must consider the incredible range and storied accomplishments of  ALL BP's, TChalla himself. [ King of the Dead thing one more once ] aaaand all of Wakanda. We need to go Cosmic. Mystic. A-List. AAAND Street Level. We need to go both Noble AND Ruthless. Therefore, in order to find a woman, a queen, for TChalla? We need the return of...SUPREME ILLUMINATION


TCHALLA AS COSMIC TCHALLA, HE WHO IS WORTHY TO WIELD THE INFINITY GAUNTLET VS GOD DOOM. Our current TChalla is still spiritually as grand as he always was [ even though he is infinitely less powerful ]. But his inclusion with THE ULTIMATESand his defeat of Thanos means he is more than worthy of being sought after by THE COSMIC QUEENS:






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COSMIC QUEEN #1: MOONDRAGON

Pros: Are you KIDDING me? These two passages describing her official powers and abilities say it all:

" Heather Douglas is a human who has accessed her full psionic potential through extreme training under the Titanian monks of Shao-Lom. She is also highly educated in Titanian science and is a master martial artist..."

"...Moondragon has undergone extreme levels of training in the Titanian martial arts, as well as mental disciplines allowing her near-complete control over her body, including autonomic functions such as heartbeat, bleeding, and breathing, as well as awareness of pain. She has honed her strength, speed, stamina, agility and reflexes to her highest limits. Her martial arts skills have even allowed her to beat Captain America[29] and Mantis in hand-to-hand combat.[30]

This alone puts her in top contention, because she and TChalla could talk privately about how easy it was to spank Cap:

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Heather possesses a genius intellect and is extremely knowledgeable in various areas of advanced Titanian scientific disciplines such as genetics and bionics and has been able to upgrade the cyborgs Ramrod[volume & issue needed] and Angar the Screamer[volume & issue needed] and restore Daredevil's eyesight[volume & issue needed]. She is also a highly skilled starship pilot..."

This lady achieved all of her abilities via a determination and genius that is the very hallmark of Wakandan magnificence. The entire nation of Wakanda is essentially a nation of low grade Moondragons...with spiritual and magic affinities, to boot. Her extreme "martial arts" regimen makes her one of the truly elite h2h fighters. Her colossal genius is not dependent upon her powers, but rather the other way around.

Plus? She's a White lady who naturally rocks The Dora Milaje look. She's the White Dragon of The Dora Milaje.

More Pros: She can go almost step for step with TChalla in every aspect of technology, spiritual development, prep, cunning, ruthlessness, fighting, etc plus she could give TChalla the plausible defense that LCBRD 616 heads would have to accept as being the reason that TChalla could and would rebuff mental or spiritual domination. There isn't anywhere that TChalla goes or anything that he does that she couldn't truly feel him on, and truly empathize with. This is Batman+Talia+Lady Shiva+[ a bunch of heads ] times five.

Cons: All of Carol Danvers' cons TIMES TEN. Plus? She was actually an active ENEMY of TChalla's and of Wakanda for a decade or so, there. Not even Carol can claim that to be the case for herself.



I think I like this one the best, as far as upper echelon swirl life candidates go.  Go big bald or go home

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 03, 2017, 09:29:12 pm
Better off just creating a Wakandan mutate then with powers and having 100% absolute control than using such a Z list garbage character who has no fans anyway so it isn't like she is bringing in all this attention and great rich back history.


Creating Gwazi the Wakandan who got powers from raw vibranium after  saving civilians from the collapsing Vibranium Mound during one of thanos romps instead of using Captain Universe... you lose all of 1 fan
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I really like the "100% control of the character" angle. I do. But? Captain Universe...who I wrote about before she was suggested in this thread...def has more pull than Gwazi [ who I like! Good find! ]. Being in Hickman's epic? Gained her a lot more than one fan. Not A LOT OF FANS, but ENOUGH WRECK TO PULL WEIGHT ACROSS THE 616. White writers? Wouldn't hate on her, cuz she was created by a White writer. And if you dropped her in THE INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE OF WAKANDA? Man. TChalla and she could have all kinds of sparks literally galaxies, dimensions and realities away from Earth.

The biggest personal plus for Gwazi, for me? Is: I am sick to death of nonWakandan Queens [ except Storm, who doesn't count ]. I really want more fleshing out of Wakandan characters, please. I mean...we all cared for Foggy Nelson and Karen Page. We cared for Aunt May and MJ. We cared for even B-List Avengers [ who included names like Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Daredevil ]. We need more of that kind of in depth character and world building for Wakanda.

Me? As a writer? Storm is the end all, be all. Period. PRIEST, HUDLIN, AND MCDUFFIE said so. Liss cosigned. And? As a character? Literally nobody else mentioned would go all in for Wakanda. Specifically Wakanda. Without conflicting loyalties lying elsewhere. Moondragon? Former villain. That ain't going away, even if you try [ ask Doctor Doom ].  All the rest of the Queens? Yeah, right. I mean, for real. Nobody else can actually pledge full on loyalty to Wakanda, AND have the peeps of Wakanda liking her.

The entire populace would automatically reject any other Outworlder, and a Wakandan Queen of proper 616 stature? Would take years to build. All the time? She's a NON Queen. And Storm? The perfect Queen? Would be just sitting there, getting dissed by the X-Office. Again.

Max...one of our biggest and most OG guns, our very own Mistress of Mayhem... said it best. "Black and f*cking". There ya go.

And oh yeah...Captain Universe's kid? Not as old as TChoro's kids. Plural. We still win.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 04, 2017, 04:33:43 am

Me? As a writer? Storm is the end all, be all. Period. PRIEST, HUDLIN, AND MCDUFFIE said so. Liss cosigned. And? As a character? Literally nobody else mentioned would go all in for Wakanda. Specifically Wakanda. Without conflicting loyalties lying elsewhere. Moondragon? Former villain. That ain't going away, even if you try [ ask Doctor Doom ].  All the rest of the Queens? Yeah, right. I mean, for real. Nobody else can actually pledge full on loyalty to Wakanda, AND have the peeps of Wakanda liking her.


They [wakandans] never really liked Storm though.

and, as she was written (incorrectly or not), she didn't ride or die for Wakanda. She ride or died for her X-men.

IMO, there is one big question to has to be answered for T'challa in regards to a LI...

Does he HAVE to be married and have a Queen? Or can he simply get his Namor on?

If his LI HAS to be queen material.... the list shrinks considerably. And, IMO, its gotta be Storm again, Monica Lynn, or a home grown franchised controlled badass Wakandan chick. Everyone else has too much story baggage to make it work as a QUEEN imo.

Now, if he is gonna get a little Namor swag going on... then everyone is on the table.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 04, 2017, 05:34:06 am

Does he HAVE to be married and have a Queen? Or can he simply get his Namor on?

Oh you know, some day some writer is going to write a story about the illegitimate son or daughter of T'Challa.

And depending on the writer, his child will be a villian.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: The Wakandan on May 04, 2017, 06:02:57 am
Me? As a writer? Storm is the end all, be all. Period. PRIEST, HUDLIN, AND MCDUFFIE said so. Liss cosigned. And? As a character? Literally nobody else mentioned would go all in for Wakanda. Specifically Wakanda. Without conflicting loyalties lying elsewhere. Moondragon? Former villain. That ain't going away, even if you try [ ask Doctor Doom ].  All the rest of the Queens? Yeah, right. I mean, for real. Nobody else can actually pledge full on loyalty to Wakanda, AND have the peeps of Wakanda liking her.

If the underlined is a major criteria for T'Challa's LI, then a Wakandan love interest is the way to go. Wakandans have issues with Storm and Monica Lynn due to their foreigner status. In Storm's case, her close ties with the X-men and mutantkind were used against her during the marriage from a narrative and creative standpoint. Meanwhile, Monica's Lynn's foreign status was used as one of the excuses for her relationship with T'Challa not being rekindled. A wakandan LI won't (or shouldn't, at least) have either the foreign status or loyalty issues be a factor.

Personally, I'm all for T'Challa having various encounters/flings with several women (Wakandan or not), but have serious relationships with a select few (Storm, Monica Lynn, etc). He's been single for a while now, it makes sense to me that he'd have a few flings here and there. It also allows for T'Challa interacting with characters he hasn't interacted with before, or hasn't done so in a long time. Something new, fresh, and even fun, if done right.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 04, 2017, 06:05:54 am

Does he HAVE to be married and have a Queen? Or can he simply get his Namor on?

Oh you know, some day some writer is going to write a story about the illegitimate son or daughter of T'Challa.

And depending on the writer, his child will be a villian.

Naw, Wakandan invented the mega birth control. Sperm on command only
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: The Wakandan on May 04, 2017, 06:12:36 am

Does he HAVE to be married and have a Queen? Or can he simply get his Namor on?


Oh you know, some day some writer is going to write a story about the illegitimate son or daughter of T'Challa.

And depending on the writer, his child will be a villian.


Naw, Wakandan invented the mega birth control. Sperm on command only


(http://img.gifmagazine.net/gifmagazine/images/74228/original.gif)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 04, 2017, 08:05:56 am

Me? As a writer? Storm is the end all, be all. Period. PRIEST, HUDLIN, AND MCDUFFIE said so. Liss cosigned. And? As a character? Literally nobody else mentioned would go all in for Wakanda. Specifically Wakanda. Without conflicting loyalties lying elsewhere. Moondragon? Former villain. That ain't going away, even if you try [ ask Doctor Doom ].  All the rest of the Queens? Yeah, right. I mean, for real. Nobody else can actually pledge full on loyalty to Wakanda, AND have the peeps of Wakanda liking her.


They [wakandans] never really liked Storm though.

and, as she was written (incorrectly or not), she didn't ride or die for Wakanda. She ride or died for her X-men.

IMO, there is one big question to has to be answered for T'challa in regards to a LI...

Does he HAVE to be married and have a Queen? Or can he simply get his Namor on?

If his LI HAS to be queen material.... the list shrinks considerably. And, IMO, its gotta be Storm again, Monica Lynn, or a home grown franchised controlled badass Wakandan chick. Everyone else has too much story baggage to make it work as a QUEEN imo.

Now, if he is gonna get a little Namor swag going on... then everyone is on the table.

I guess since now Coates destroyed the DM Order he can have a Wakandan LI as it seemed like the Dora's prevented that to someone extent. Even if it's storn. Just let then be casual. What about Shang Chi's sister have hon go on a date with her. Princess Zands could be fun too. Get him out There a little. He doesn't have to sleep around but a billionaire king is gonna have some fans
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 04, 2017, 09:57:03 am

Me? As a writer? Storm is the end all, be all. Period. PRIEST, HUDLIN, AND MCDUFFIE said so. Liss cosigned. And? As a character? Literally nobody else mentioned would go all in for Wakanda. Specifically Wakanda. Without conflicting loyalties lying elsewhere. Moondragon? Former villain. That ain't going away, even if you try [ ask Doctor Doom ].  All the rest of the Queens? Yeah, right. I mean, for real. Nobody else can actually pledge full on loyalty to Wakanda, AND have the peeps of Wakanda liking her.



They [wakandans] never really liked Storm though.

and, as she was written (incorrectly or not), she didn't ride or die for Wakanda. She ride or died for her X-men.

IMO, there is one big question to has to be answered for T'challa in regards to a LI...

Does he HAVE to be married and have a Queen? Or can he simply get his Namor on?

If his LI HAS to be queen material.... the list shrinks considerably. And, IMO, its gotta be Storm again, Monica Lynn, or a home grown franchised controlled badass Wakandan chick. Everyone else has too much story baggage to make it work as a QUEEN imo.

Now, if he is gonna get a little Namor swag going on... then everyone is on the table.


I guess since now Coates destroyed the DM Order he can have a Wakandan LI as it seemed like the Dora's prevented that to someone extent. Even if it's storn. Just let then be casual. What about Shang Chi's sister have hon go on a date with her. Princess Zands could be fun too. Get him out There a little. He doesn't have to sleep around but a billionaire king is gonna have some fans



MoS, I know where you're coming from...but the predominant ways she was written during the time we speak of was that she DID ride or die for Wakanda. RH and YOST set the bar, there. In fact? The whole point of Yost's miniseries WORLDS APART was that STORM is a whole person who can be simultaneously Queen of Wakanda AND an X-Men in precisely the same way that TChalla could be King of Wakanda AND an Avenger AND an Illuminati member.


(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/f5/X-Men_Worlds_Apart_Vol_1_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090110011053)



To propose otherwise is not only BS, it's racist. Thor could be Prince of Asgard AND an Avenger AND a solo hero in the MU. Namor? Prince of the Blood. Ruler of Atlantis. Anti-hero. Magneto. Doom. Black Bolt. Medusa. Maximus. Etc etc etc.Notice how there is zero peep about these worthies all with the multitasking multiple roles. But? Notice how all dem foolz are WHITE, though? The moment some seriously melanated folks try this, though? Problems.

And. Both YOST and RH wrote that Storm won the majority of Wakandans over. Sooo...at one point you were right. The grand ole Wakandan xenophobia was lookin at STORM like:


(https://media.giphy.com/media/lxlIIlw5rnxUk/giphy.gif)


But after THE PANTHER GOD sent a pride of Panthers to come to Ororo and kneel before her? The Wakandans were like: (https://media.giphy.com/media/ZOOzN2DyE0r2o/giphy.gif)

As well they should be. TPG don't play that. She's not big in the "forgiveness" department.

So let's not give these haters a Pass...unless it's straight to Gitcha A$$ Kicked Land.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 19, 2017, 01:25:37 pm
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Jubilation Lee

Pros:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/c6be99ee236416b7b4330e4be6f996a5/tumblr_mucpa01Zig1stedbqo4_r2_250.gif)

Cons:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EQefDAznaxQ/UUrgsgLUqDI/AAAAAAAAAfU/1kbVUVe3WUQ/s1600/jubileevampire1.png)

Just sayin
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on May 19, 2017, 01:37:11 pm
([url]http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/30e08fc3-eaf5-4c03-883d-09b129d174b6/b97b4909-a22e-4a0f-84d4-8b57d5d8f49d.gif[/url])

Jubilation Lee

Pros:

([url]http://37.media.tumblr.com/c6be99ee236416b7b4330e4be6f996a5/tumblr_mucpa01Zig1stedbqo4_r2_250.gif[/url])

Cons:
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EQefDAznaxQ/UUrgsgLUqDI/AAAAAAAAAfU/1kbVUVe3WUQ/s1600/jubileevampire1.png[/url])

Just sayin



My poor Jubilee..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 23, 2017, 05:01:28 pm

My poor Jubilee..

Do you know how embarrassing it was for me that i never knew she was asian until like.. 2 years ago?

Then i watched the 1st episode of the 92 cartoon again and it said it right there on the Sentinel's ID of her or something.

Been watchin that show since 1992!  She's Asian!   Her last name is "Lee"!!!!

Sweet Bast help me...
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 23, 2017, 05:06:30 pm
Hey guys,

In response to recent events (and/or solicitations), I have a very serious string of questions:

When will T'Challa date a Wakandan woman?

Do you want T'Challa to date a Wakandan woman?

Is T'Challa a self-hating male bedwench for not dating a Wakandan woman yet?

Please answer honestly. 

Best Regards,

MM



Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 23, 2017, 05:16:41 pm
When a writer want to push BP as a franchise forward, instead of focusing on power couples or living in the past so....never.  Super hero relationships are doomed yo fail. F4 aren't traditional super heroes. Luke and jj kinda work as jj is not a super hero by character design. All others are doomed to fail

Sure

Well he banged some in his youth so there's that

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 23, 2017, 05:37:12 pm
He had a brief relationship with the Wakandan ambassador to France?

Now that tribal strife seems to be a concept in the rear view mirror, I think he could date a Wakandan woman.

He usually has a love interest when he has his own comic. Dosent seem to be a general concern when he is in team books, but has no main book to go with it. Post Mayberry to Coates.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on May 23, 2017, 06:10:45 pm

My poor Jubilee..

Do you know how embarrassing it was for me that i never knew she was asian until like.. 2 years ago?

Then i watched the 1st episode of the 92 cartoon again and it said it right there on the Sentinel's ID of her or something.

Been watchin that show since 1992!  She's Asian!   Her last name is "Lee"!!!!

Sweet Bast help me...

lol.. You be shocked how many ppl don;t pick up on he fact she is Asian.. So don't feel to bad my brother..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Hypestyle on May 23, 2017, 06:32:11 pm
Why not invent some new wakandan women for T'Challa to have romances with? Create the Wakandan gwen stacy, Mary Jane, Betty Brant, etc.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 23, 2017, 07:03:58 pm

My poor Jubilee..

Do you know how embarrassing it was for me that i never knew she was asian until like.. 2 years ago?

Then i watched the 1st episode of the 92 cartoon again and it said it right there on the Sentinel's ID of her or something.

Been watchin that show since 1992!  She's Asian!   Her last name is "Lee"!!!!

Sweet Bast help me...
Jubilee Lee... A bit on the nose huh
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 23, 2017, 07:07:10 pm

My poor Jubilee..

Do you know how embarrassing it was for me that i never knew she was asian until like.. 2 years ago?

Then i watched the 1st episode of the 92 cartoon again and it said it right there on the Sentinel's ID of her or something.

Been watchin that show since 1992!  She's Asian!   Her last name is "Lee"!!!!

Sweet Bast help me...
Jubilee Lee... A bit on the nose huh

Thought her name was Jubilation Lee and Jubilee was a combination of her names.

Sentinel ID said Chinese American I think. And she was Asian in one of the X-men movies.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on May 23, 2017, 07:14:21 pm
Jubilation Lee, yes.  She was a California mall rat. :)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 23, 2017, 07:40:56 pm
Just age Okoye and Nakia 10 years and call it good
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 24, 2017, 01:20:15 pm
Flashback 2015
*Mortal Man minding own business watching new x-men movie trailer on youtube*

Mortal Man: waitasecond  ???... why are they race bending jubi--

 :o

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif)


Top 5 Comic Book Reveal of all time damn it!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 26, 2017, 07:36:10 am
Storm is being added to Marvel Future Fight....


the X-Men hate is softening from Ike....


oh lawd Storm is going to be hanging around forever.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 26, 2017, 09:21:23 am
Storm is being added to Marvel Future Fight....


the X-Men hate is softening from Ike....


oh lawd Storm is going to be hanging around forever.


(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Upset-Michael-Jordan-Laughs-to-Himself.gif)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 26, 2017, 09:28:55 am
Storm is being added to Marvel Future Fight....


the X-Men hate is softening from Ike....


oh lawd Storm is going to be hanging around forever.
Lol they gotta give hardcore Storm fans some ammo for when the next popularity poll comes up
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 26, 2017, 09:37:49 am
Storm is being added to Marvel Future Fight....


the X-Men hate is softening from Ike....


oh lawd Storm is going to be hanging around forever.


([url]http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Upset-Michael-Jordan-Laughs-to-Himself.gif[/url])


Yeah...

First two confirned are cyke and storm
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 26, 2017, 11:17:25 am
In truth i stopped playin it ages ago.  Maxing out the normal stats is one thing but the grind to get your characters to the point where they don't get mollywhopped by Thanos and the Black Order... i just don't got the patience for that and i'm also someone who doesn't like buying sh*t.

Plus all of BP's black friends on the game aren't really suitable options to roll with.  they kinda got shafted on the useful powers.  I may not actively play this game again until the BP movie and that update comes out
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Emperorjones on May 27, 2017, 02:46:56 am
Hey guys,

In response to recent events (and/or solicitations), I have a very serious string of questions:

When will T'Challa date a Wakandan woman?

Do you want T'Challa to date a Wakandan woman?

Is T'Challa a self-hating male bedwench for not dating a Wakandan woman yet?

Please answer honestly. 

Best Regards,

MM

I don't think we'll see T'Challa dating a Wakandan woman. For one, there is a general aversion in media to heterosexual intraracial relationships where black characters are concerned. And two, I think the Panther comics pair him with American or non-Wakandan women perhaps to serve as gateways or surrogates for the audience, or to further justify Panther coming or being in America.

If white writers/editors aren't interested or find the idea of a intraracial black American relationship, that's not dysfunctional, boring or mystifying, it's got to be times a million for an African relationship, even one with Africans from a fictional country.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing T'Challa date a Wakandan woman. Far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with creating new characters and adding to the mythos. Though I was a big supporter of the Panther-Storm marriage and wish that had not ended or if they had to separate, that it was done better. I also felt T'Challa had some chemistry with Monica Rambeau during Hudlin's run and wouldn't have minded them exploring that either.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Emperorjones on May 27, 2017, 02:51:03 am
Why not invent some new wakandan women for T'Challa to have romances with? Create the Wakandan gwen stacy, Mary Jane, Betty Brant, etc.

I agree. Though I was thinking more along the lines of Talia Al Ghul. And the Talia that was from the Grant Morrison run, a specific take more so, a Talia that can match T'Challa's intellect, planning, albeit hold back the ruthlessness. Also if they created a Talia-like character based on the Arrow show I would be fine with that as well.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 27, 2017, 07:19:39 am
Why not invent some new wakandan women for T'Challa to have romances with? Create the Wakandan gwen stacy, Mary Jane, Betty Brant, etc.

I agree. Though I was thinking more along the lines of Talia Al Ghul. And the Talia that was from the Grant Morrison run, a specific take more so, a Talia that can match T'Challa's intellect, planning, albeit hold back the ruthlessness. Also if they created a Talia-like character based on the Arrow show I would be fine with that as well.
Age up Okoye and Nakia about 10 years and Nakia can be his Talia. And Okoye can be that girl who's ride or Die with T'Challa but also understands she may not ever be with him but will be there regardless
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on May 28, 2017, 07:37:05 am
Bring back Malaika /Melaika...
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 28, 2017, 08:01:03 am
It seems like if the love interest wasn't created in the beginning, the love interest can't stick.  It seems like writer A creates the love interest, then next writer introduces  another one, and then another.  Look at Spider-man.  Only two women will stick around, through many writers.  Cap has had many, but the only one that sticks is Sharon Carter.  Or Tony, we always return to Pepper.  I'm sure the is an exception, but given the pattern, only Monica will always return.  (Storm could be an exception bc she's a stand alone character, not a supporting cast character like most love interests.)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on May 28, 2017, 08:28:54 am
Pepper Potts wasn't Tony's love interest in the comics until AFTER the movie.  She was actually married to Happy Hogan.

And Steve's had many over the years.  Perhaps the longest running was the supervillain/anti-hero Diamondback.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 28, 2017, 11:05:34 am
Pepper Potts wasn't Tony's love interest in the comics until AFTER the movie.  She was actually married to Happy Hogan.

And Steve's had many over the years.  Perhaps the longest running was the supervillain/anti-hero Diamondback.

And after Pepper, he had a string of girl friends but they changed with new writers.  But Pepper stands the test of time, and she returned around Heroes Reborn and then Happy died before the first movie came out.

Which is my point.  I'm not saying T'Challa should not have more women in his life; I'm just thinking the best we can hope for is a new interest with every writer.  And periodic return of Monica or Storm.  (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 28, 2017, 12:12:35 pm
In truth i stopped playin it ages ago.  Maxing out the normal stats is one thing but the grind to get your characters to the point where they don't get mollywhopped by Thanos and the Black Order... i just don't got the patience for that and i'm also someone who doesn't like buying sh*t.

Plus all of BP's black friends on the game aren't really suitable options to roll with.  they kinda got shafted on the useful powers.  I may not actively play this game again until the BP movie and that update comes out

Its weird with type of games...

All the popular known characters suck lol

Iron man is horrid. Hulk sucks and is hard to get. Dsredevik sucks. Took cap like 10 uniforns before he was useful, spidey has to be maxed out t2 plus uniform, ditto for thor, ect ect

But white tiger? Useful! Elsa bloodstone... best speed on the game! Made up character sharon rodgers.. close to best in game!

Luckily BP is good, Cage is useful, and I pumped enough into thor that hes good.

But i only play bout 30m max, sometimes just 7m. Kinda finished everything. Didnt spend any money
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 28, 2017, 12:44:09 pm
Pepper Potts wasn't Tony's love interest in the comics until AFTER the movie.  She was actually married to Happy Hogan.

And Steve's had many over the years.  Perhaps the longest running was the supervillain/anti-hero Diamondback.

And after Pepper, he had a string of girl friends but they changed with new writers.  But Pepper stands the test of time, and she returned around Heroes Reborn and then Happy died before the first movie came out.

Which is my point.  I'm not saying T'Challa should not have more women in his life; I'm just thinking the best we can hope for is a new interest with every writer.  And periodic return of Monica or Storm.  (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Nothing wrong with that at all
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on May 28, 2017, 04:33:53 pm
Princess Zanda is the only option at this point.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 28, 2017, 05:13:07 pm
Just don't show T'Challa as asexual or a Monk and im good
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 28, 2017, 11:28:45 pm
What are you guys talking about? Monica IS NOT THE MOVE. There is NO WAY that the Wakandan people, or Council...much less Baast...will truly countenance Monica. She's just a hostage or casualty or both waiting to happen.  If it ain't STORM...who's absolutely PERFECT...then it's gotta be a Wakandan woman who needs to be freshly squoze.

Yeah, I said "squoze".

Most definitely not Zanda. Even rehabbed into a anti-hero, TPG will eat her soul. And that's that. Nobody else gets by TPG, either. Not even the noble women who actually have a shot at capturing TChalla's heart. Valkyrie? PUH-LEEEZE!! She's hellafied Asgardian.

If it's not Storm...who I emphasize again IS THEE PIC CUZ SHE'S PERFECT...we gotta go a totally new character. Someone who needs to be in the book for a good 2-3 years before she and TChalla even begin to get hawt together. She would have to have powers, meet the overdemanding protective requirements of both Shuri and Ramonda, pass Storm's approval [ Hickman showed TChalla and Ororo after making love, so she's still got the hotts for TChalla ] and allat.

I'm thinking? She might be a Yemaya or Olokun Adept. Or. Going the other direction? She could be an Adept of Otin. Otin is the wife of the invincible flawless hunter Osoosi/Oshosi. Otin is a flawless warrior every bit the equal of Osoosi, and as such? This new Wakandan woman...Otinhina, "Daughter of Otin"...would be very nearly the equal of TChalla in the warrior arts.

Her mental prowess would be staggering, but steeped in subtle mental abilities. No showy Moondragon, Phoenix Force, Professor X, Shadow King psi bolts n stuff. No energy beams. More like psi and ka manifestation. The kind of thing that would catch even experienced and powerful psis and sorcerers off guard. And she would be a massive genius on her own right. A grown Valeria Reed times five. She would first rebuff TChalla's advances. Then a year later she would pursue TChalla, and he would rebuff her. And a year later? They would each seduce the other, with complications pulling them apart.

Until. Some great adventure throws them back together forever.

Okay. Lemme admit that this up here ^^^ minus the whole Otin bit was the vague outline I had for initiating the return of T'Choro. Because. TChalla+Ororo makes TOO MUCH SENSE and IS PERFECT. Eff what them ole Orolo X-pukes be talm bout. And you could tell em I said. I need new sparring partners to beat up, anyway.

BP+STORM. End of.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 29, 2017, 04:15:44 am
Just don't show T'Challa as asexual or a Monk and im good

This x1000000

I dont need him to become T'Cromartie but this "eyes only for storm" thing needs to stop

Meh... TPG standards are terrible.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Salustrade on May 29, 2017, 05:46:33 am
What are you guys talking about? Monica IS NOT THE MOVE. There is NO WAY that the Wakandan people, or Council...much less Baast...will truly countenance Monica. She's just a hostage or casualty or both waiting to happen.  If it ain't STORM...who's absolutely PERFECT...then it's gotta be a Wakandan woman who needs to be freshly squoze.

Yeah, I said "squoze".

Most definitely not Zanda. Even rehabbed into a anti-hero, TPG will eat her soul. And that's that. Nobody else gets by TPG, either. Not even the noble women who actually have a shot at capturing TChalla's heart. Valkyrie? PUH-LEEEZE!! She's hellafied Asgardian.

If it's not Storm...who I emphasize again IS THEE PIC CUZ SHE'S PERFECT...we gotta go a totally new character. Someone who needs to be in the book for a good 2-3 years before she and TChalla even begin to get hawt together. She would have to have powers, meet the overdemanding protective requirements of both Shuri and Ramonda, pass Storm's approval [ Hickman showed TChalla and Ororo after making love, so she's still got the hotts for TChalla ] and allat.

I'm thinking? She might be a Yemaya or Olokun Adept. Or. Going the other direction? She could be an Adept of Otin. Otin is the wife of the invincible flawless hunter Osoosi/Oshosi. Otin is a flawless warrior every bit the equal of Osoosi, and as such? This new Wakandan woman...Otinhina, "Daughter of Otin"...would be very nearly the equal of TChalla in the warrior arts.

Her mental prowess would be staggering, but steeped in subtle mental abilities. No showy Moondragon, Phoenix Force, Professor X, Shadow King psi bolts n stuff. No energy beams. More like psi and ka manifestation. The kind of thing that would catch even experienced and powerful psis and sorcerers off guard. And she would be a massive genius on her own right. A grown Valeria Reed times five. She would first rebuff TChalla's advances. Then a year later she would pursue TChalla, and he would rebuff her. And a year later? They would each seduce the other, with complications pulling them apart.

Until. Some great adventure throws them back together forever.

Okay. Lemme admit that this up here ^^^ minus the whole Otin bit was the vague outline I had for initiating the return of T'Choro. Because. TChalla+Ororo makes TOO MUCH SENSE and IS PERFECT. Eff what them ole Orolo X-pukes be talm bout. And you could tell em I said. I need new sparring partners to beat up, anyway.

BP+STORM. End of.

So you're just going to sweep that whole Ororo jumping into bed with Logan 5hing under the carpet?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on May 29, 2017, 06:26:08 am
You know, I've been thinking....

There may be a good reason why the most popular love interests in Marvel tend to be characters introduced over 30 years ago, and it has nothing to do with their appeal as characters.

Back in the 70's and 80's, writers took their time to build a relationship.  We saw the characters meet, grow closer, become a couple.

Nowadays, love interests are either introduced with the relationship fully-formed, or get at best an arc or two before there's a full commitment.  Few writers bother to build characters gradually.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Salustrade on May 29, 2017, 07:30:24 am
You know, I've been thinking....

There may be a good reason why the most popular love interests in Marvel tend to be characters introduced over 30 years ago, and it has nothing to do with their appeal as characters.

Back in the 70's and 80's, writers took their time to build a relationship.  We saw the characters meet, grow closer, become a couple.

Nowadays, love interests are either introduced with the relationship fully-formed, or get at best an arc or two before there's a full commitment.  Few writers bother to build characters gradually.

You're absolutely right.

This has become more of a problem where many characters no longer have secret identities.

Most writers have now been given leeway to be exceedingly lazy where developing characters relationships are concerned.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 29, 2017, 07:50:49 am
It doesnt help that its 24 issues is considered a pretty good run these days.

If a writer has 12-30 issues, how much panel time are they going to want "waste" on a new love interest the next writer will likely just ignore.

Easier just to use an already established character and hit gro7nd running

BP fans can even get tech to carry over lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 29, 2017, 12:51:01 pm
What are you guys talking about? Monica IS NOT THE MOVE. There is NO WAY that the Wakandan people, or Council...much less Baast...will truly countenance Monica. She's just a hostage or casualty or both waiting to happen.  If it ain't STORM...who's absolutely PERFECT...then it's gotta be a Wakandan woman who needs to be freshly squoze.

Yeah, I said "squoze".

Most definitely not Zanda. Even rehabbed into a anti-hero, TPG will eat her soul. And that's that. Nobody else gets by TPG, either. Not even the noble women who actually have a shot at capturing TChalla's heart. Valkyrie? PUH-LEEEZE!! She's hellafied Asgardian.

If it's not Storm...who I emphasize again IS THEE PIC CUZ SHE'S PERFECT...we gotta go a totally new character. Someone who needs to be in the book for a good 2-3 years before she and TChalla even begin to get hawt together. She would have to have powers, meet the overdemanding protective requirements of both Shuri and Ramonda, pass Storm's approval [ Hickman showed TChalla and Ororo after making love, so she's still got the hotts for TChalla ] and allat.

I'm thinking? She might be a Yemaya or Olokun Adept. Or. Going the other direction? She could be an Adept of Otin. Otin is the wife of the invincible flawless hunter Osoosi/Oshosi. Otin is a flawless warrior every bit the equal of Osoosi, and as such? This new Wakandan woman...Otinhina, "Daughter of Otin"...would be very nearly the equal of TChalla in the warrior arts.

Her mental prowess would be staggering, but steeped in subtle mental abilities. No showy Moondragon, Phoenix Force, Professor X, Shadow King psi bolts n stuff. No energy beams. More like psi and ka manifestation. The kind of thing that would catch even experienced and powerful psis and sorcerers off guard. And she would be a massive genius on her own right. A grown Valeria Reed times five. She would first rebuff TChalla's advances. Then a year later she would pursue TChalla, and he would rebuff her. And a year later? They would each seduce the other, with complications pulling them apart.

Until. Some great adventure throws them back together forever.

Okay. Lemme admit that this up here ^^^ minus the whole Otin bit was the vague outline I had for initiating the return of T'Choro. Because. TChalla+Ororo makes TOO MUCH SENSE and IS PERFECT. Eff what them ole Orolo X-pukes be talm bout. And you could tell em I said. I need new sparring partners to beat up, anyway.

BP+STORM. End of.

So you're just going to sweep that whole Ororo jumping into bed with Logan 5hing under the carpet?

Nah. I didn't forget one second about that. And let me make this clear:

The X-Writers? They're the racists and haters who wrote that claptrap. So Ororo the Character shouldn't be slimed by the foul hateration of the racist X-Writhers. I mean, X- WRITERS. Ahem. *sideways look*

Now. How would I handle allat? I would actually very carefully go back into canon and start giving a good hard look at the events hat happened just before the APOCALYPSE thing. Because I didn't forget ANY of that Logan OR Namor garbage. I didn't lose sight of that whole BS about TChalla allegedly abusing Ororo and knocking her out, because she held back. TRUST, BRUH. I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN OR FORGIVEN ANYTHING. NOT ONE SECOND OF IT.

And there's a very smart write around of that, which literally employs the work that these same X-Writhers used. And. The plots and whatnot of the Marvel Events and throughlines of the dominant Marvel plots from PRIEST BP's time to this. And before that? Yes. Even pulling directly from the whole sweet AZANIANS story, DOOMWAR and a few other odious pieces of comic vomit that actually can be spun perfectly into yet another jaw dropping Priest-like series of mouse traps and trap doors snapping shut on EVERYONE. Proving once and for all.

TCHALLA. IS. THAT. DUDE. So just don't eff with him OR Wakanda. 
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on May 29, 2017, 01:04:36 pm
Bast will love Zanda. She don't back down.

And she won't be recalled by the X-office for an important story arc because they "have plans" for her, i.e."we don't plan to do isht with her other than job her out to the next X-leader.

Give me Zanda.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 29, 2017, 06:23:29 pm
Yall have made a lot of excellent points the last couple pages.

Honestly, I think Nakia is the only realistic option. 

Lupita will be the leading lady of the BP franchise for the next 5-7 years.  Her Nakia will be of age and likely playing the trope of female antagonist with romantic tension with the protagonist.
 
So long as Coates leaves her on the shelf and doesn't touch/ruin her during his run, she'll be a no-brainer for the next writer to dust off in 2018/2019.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 30, 2017, 01:50:47 am
Bast will love Zanda. She don't back down.

And she won't be recalled by the X-office for an important story arc because they "have plans" for her, i.e."we don't plan to do isht with her other than job her out to the next X-leader.

Give me Zanda.

Bast would love DIGESTING Zanda. You're right, she doesn't back down...but she's not Wakandan Queen material. Besides? The Wakandan people HATE HER. She has helped to lead a hostile nation for years. I say "helped" to lead, because she's PRINCESS Zanda. Her MOTHER is Queen.

PRINCESS Zanda is a thief. A very good thief. A unique, world class thief. Who steals stuff like Solomon's Frogs. Which makes her Bast food right there. There are those who say she is The Catwoman to TChalla's Batman, but I disagree with that. She's more unique than that.

Daughter of the Queen of Narobia [ because she remains PRINCESS Zanda, not QUEEN Zanda ], she and her family would see herself as the premier continental Afrikan country capable of giving the continent an alternative to Wakanda as leader of a Pan-Afrikan Union. Unlike Mohannda, her country is NOT corrupt at all. It's very well organized, tightly regulated. Rich. Very very rich. She and her mother make deals with Europe and America, and routinely acquire favorable trade deals for which her country Narobia and its Royal Family are lavishly paid.

This puts her more in line as a foe of SHURI's on the political stage, not a foe of T'Challa's. In my fanfic? Princess Zanda's mother is Azarra Akuba [ yes, Zanda's last name is Akuba in my fanfic ], famously known as "Sarauta Jauhari"..."The Royal Jewel". The catch with Azarra is that she is the spurned elder sister of N'Yami, mother of TChalla. She was spurned for attempting to elevate BAAST the husband of Baastet the FEMALE TPG over BAASTET. BAAST is the ORIGINAL TPG that was constantly referred to in all of TChalla's previous incarnations and even became the centerpiece of a 4 issue miniseries with The Azanians.

Azarra committed the great sin of trying to promote the notion of the BAAST pairing as not a pairing of equals, but a pairing that specified that the male BAAST was the mightier of the two. And she was the highest High Priest of the male BAAST. At first, she masterfully navigated the waters of Wakandan religious politics, but at last she found her religious and political position to be increasingly embattled. She doubled down on her position, and sought to incite religious civil war within Wakanda.

Of course she failed. And BAAST the male TPG expelled her from his faith.

She recovered, abandoned BAAST who had abandoned her first... and began worshipping Babalowayu, and that very mysterious and scarifying Orisha swiftly granted Azarra success in her financial political and power amassing endeavors. Azarra taught Zanda to worship Babalowayu the Orisha, and that is why Zanda cultivated a fanatical attraction to riches, health and thievery before she could walk or talk.

Zanda herself would be...politically... a fantastic blend of Princess Diana, Paris Hilton, and Amina the Warrior Princess of the Hausa. Politically, she's close to the sphere of Mosley Magnum and Killmonger. Etc. If she was featured as the main villainess and an adversary during a arc? She's more of a blend of Silver Fox, Lara Croft [ artifact and talisman seeker extraordinaire ],and one other tha I will keep under my belt for a moment. 

Given her background? Zanda and Azarra would be better suited as foes for Shuri and Ramonda.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on May 30, 2017, 05:03:07 am
Yall have made a lot of excellent points the last couple pages.

Honestly, I think Nakia is the only realistic option. 

Lupita will be the leading lady of the BP franchise for the next 5-7 years.  Her Nakia will be of age and likely playing the trope of female antagonist with romantic tension with the protagonist.
 
So long as Coates leaves her on the shelf and doesn't touch/ruin her during his run, she'll be a no-brainer for the next writer to dust off in 2018/2019.

The fact Malice is floating around out there and hasn't been used since Priest is a crime.

She fits the "Catwoman" style of friend/foe so perfectly its nuts.

It is almost like Priest is good at writing comic books or something...

And yet... not a peep from her.

And yet, movies come along... and oh hay... look who realizes her potential immediately lol. Look who gets the biggest actress. And hell, look who gets the second biggest actress (Okoye) while Aneka and Ago get "umm sh*t we need more named Doras throws those two in there"


The more I think about the mythos as a whole, the more I realize how many missed opportunities there have been. You can't build a supporting cast if you don't f*cking use them!

I mean simple sh*t like Hodari. Why does he exist? Why not use the no humor information stiffs that already exist? Why not freaking Taku? Why is he stuck in the non existent techno jungle! Hell, he even gay! Where is N'gassi filling that role? WHY MAKE UP ANOTHER NEW PERSON?

Why did Okoye straight up just vanish? Did Doom killer her or not?

Why has Zanda not reappeared?

Why are we dragging in Z list villain trash when we can simply use Black PAnther Z list villain trash?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 30, 2017, 07:42:24 am
Its Funny because Coates has focused so much on Priest run as the target for his "Fixing" That he just decided to ignore a bunch of stuff and fill it in with his useless characters when, as you said, there are plenty of supporting cast members alive and well that can be used. But then at the same time, he couldn't use Nakia Or Okoye for his "No One Man" Because Nakia is crazy in love with T'challa, and Okoye is Ride or die in love with T'Challa. Can't spin a lesbian relationship out of that
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on May 30, 2017, 09:06:45 am
Yall have made a lot of excellent points the last couple pages.

Honestly, I think Nakia is the only realistic option. 

Lupita will be the leading lady of the BP franchise for the next 5-7 years.  Her Nakia will be of age and likely playing the trope of female antagonist with romantic tension with the protagonist.
 
So long as Coates leaves her on the shelf and doesn't touch/ruin her during his run, she'll be a no-brainer for the next writer to dust off in 2018/2019.

The fact Malice is floating around out there and hasn't been used since Priest is a crime.

She fits the "Catwoman" style of friend/foe so perfectly its nuts.

It is almost like Priest is good at writing comic books or something...

And yet... not a peep from her.

And yet, movies come along... and oh hay... look who realizes her potential immediately lol. Look who gets the biggest actress. And hell, look who gets the second biggest actress (Okoye) while Aneka and Ago get "umm sh*t we need more named Doras throws those two in there"


The more I think about the mythos as a whole, the more I realize how many missed opportunities there have been. You can't build a supporting cast if you don't f*cking use them!

I mean simple sh*t like Hodari. Why does he exist? Why not use the no humor information stiffs that already exist? Why not freaking Taku? Why is he stuck in the non existent techno jungle! Hell, he even gay! Where is N'gassi filling that role? WHY MAKE UP ANOTHER NEW PERSON?

Why did Okoye straight up just vanish? Did Doom killer her or not?

Why has Zanda not reappeared?

Why are we dragging in Z list villain trash when we can simply use Black PAnther Z list villain trash?

hehehe  ;D

It's almost as if Spider-Man and Batman's supporting cast are "better" largely because writers actually choose to use them over the years/decades....

Because otherwise, at their core, Malice is just as interesting a trope as Catwoman or Black Cat

Zanda long since should've been revamped to a Talia or Silver Sable, upgraded look and everything.

Okoye should've been the Black Canary, as far as prestige and acknowledged fighting prowess (hell, give her some powers too)

Kasper was Red Hood (stylistically) before there was a red hood

Taku, Achebe, Killmonger's son, etc... it's always been right there for the taking.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on May 30, 2017, 02:48:39 pm
Bast will love Zanda. She don't back down.

And she won't be recalled by the X-office for an important story arc because they "have plans" for her, i.e."we don't plan to do isht with her other than job her out to the next X-leader.

Give me Zanda.

Bast would love DIGESTING Zanda. You're right, she doesn't back down...but she's not Wakandan Queen material. Besides? The Wakandan people HATE HER. She has helped to lead a hostile nation for years. I say "helped" to lead, because she's PRINCESS Zanda. Her MOTHER is Queen.

PRINCESS Zanda is a thief. A very good thief. A unique, world class thief. Who steals stuff like Solomon's Frogs. Which makes her Bast food right there. There are those who say she is The Catwoman to TChalla's Batman, but I disagree with that. She's more unique than that.

Daughter of the Queen of Narobia [ because she remains PRINCESS Zanda, not QUEEN Zanda ], she and her family would see herself as the premier continental Afrikan country capable of giving the continent an alternative to Wakanda as leader of a Pan-Afrikan Union. Unlike Mohannda, her country is NOT corrupt at all. It's very well organized, tightly regulated. Rich. Very very rich. She and her mother make deals with Europe and America, and routinely acquire favorable trade deals for which her country Narobia and its Royal Family are lavishly paid.

This puts her more in line as a foe of SHURI's on the political stage, not a foe of T'Challa's. In my fanfic? Princess Zanda's mother is Azarra Akuba [ yes, Zanda's last name is Akuba in my fanfic ], famously known as "Sarauta Jauhari"..."The Royal Jewel". The catch with Azarra is that she is the spurned elder sister of N'Yami, mother of TChalla. She was spurned for attempting to elevate BAAST the husband of Baastet the FEMALE TPG over BAASTET. BAAST is the ORIGINAL TPG that was constantly referred to in all of TChalla's previous incarnations and even became the centerpiece of a 4 issue miniseries with The Azanians.

Azarra committed the great sin of trying to promote the notion of the BAAST pairing as not a pairing of equals, but a pairing that specified that the male BAAST was the mightier of the two. And she was the highest High Priest of the male BAAST. At first, she masterfully navigated the waters of Wakandan religious politics, but at last she found her religious and political position to be increasingly embattled. She doubled down on her position, and sought to incite religious civil war within Wakanda.

Of course she failed. And BAAST the male TPG expelled her from his faith.

She recovered, abandoned BAAST who had abandoned her first... and began worshipping Babalowayu, and that very mysterious and scarifying Orisha swiftly granted Azarra success in her financial political and power amassing endeavors. Azarra taught Zanda to worship Babalowayu the Orisha, and that is why Zanda cultivated a fanatical attraction to riches, health and thievery before she could walk or talk.

Zanda herself would be...politically... a fantastic blend of Princess Diana, Paris Hilton, and Amina the Warrior Princess of the Hausa. Politically, she's close to the sphere of Mosley Magnum and Killmonger. Etc. If she was featured as the main villainess and an adversary during a arc? She's more of a blend of Silver Fox, Lara Croft [ artifact and talisman seeker extraordinaire ],and one other tha I will keep under my belt for a moment. 

Given her background? Zanda and Azarra would be better suited as foes for Shuri and Ramonda.

Haha! Let me remind you my Bro that Bast gave Doom a free pass so I can definitely see her warming up to Zanda. Don't matter if she's princess of Narobia because she will soon become Queen of Wakanda when T'Challa comes callin'!

My girl Zanda is fierce. That stuff with Storm was just staged to make the Wind Rider look good. Zanda gotta get her props and step onto the big stage.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on May 30, 2017, 05:06:48 pm
I think the only way I could write Zanda is if I Batroc'ed her:  Revealed over the course of the story that her public persona (the bizarre diction, the goofy-looking headgear, the pompous dialogue) were all an act to lead people to underestimate her.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on May 30, 2017, 07:11:39 pm
I think the only way I could write Zanda is if I Batroc'ed her:  Revealed over the course of the story that her public persona (the bizarre diction, the goofy-looking headgear, the pompous dialogue) were all an act to lead people to underestimate her.
That would be really cool. I actually like those types of Characters, unfortunately they aren't too regular in super hero comics, anime and mangas however, they are frequent there and they are some of my favs
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 31, 2017, 12:07:37 am
Bast will love Zanda. She don't back down.

And she won't be recalled by the X-office for an important story arc because they "have plans" for her, i.e."we don't plan to do isht with her other than job her out to the next X-leader.

Give me Zanda.


Bast would love DIGESTING Zanda. You're right, she doesn't back down...but she's not Wakandan Queen material. Besides? The Wakandan people HATE HER. She has helped to lead a hostile nation for years. I say "helped" to lead, because she's PRINCESS Zanda. Her MOTHER is Queen.

PRINCESS Zanda is a thief. A very good thief. A unique, world class thief. Who steals stuff like Solomon's Frogs. Which makes her Bast food right there. There are those who say she is The Catwoman to TChalla's Batman, but I disagree with that. She's more unique than that.

Daughter of the Queen of Narobia [ because she remains PRINCESS Zanda, not QUEEN Zanda ], she and her family would see herself as the premier continental Afrikan country capable of giving the continent an alternative to Wakanda as leader of a Pan-Afrikan Union. Unlike Mohannda, her country is NOT corrupt at all. It's very well organized, tightly regulated. Rich. Very very rich. She and her mother make deals with Europe and America, and routinely acquire favorable trade deals for which her country Narobia and its Royal Family are lavishly paid.

This puts her more in line as a foe of SHURI's on the political stage, not a foe of T'Challa's. In my fanfic? Princess Zanda's mother is Azarra Akuba [ yes, Zanda's last name is Akuba in my fanfic ], famously known as "Sarauta Jauhari"..."The Royal Jewel". The catch with Azarra is that she is the spurned elder sister of N'Yami, mother of TChalla. She was spurned for attempting to elevate BAAST the husband of Baastet the FEMALE TPG over BAASTET. BAAST is the ORIGINAL TPG that was constantly referred to in all of TChalla's previous incarnations and even became the centerpiece of a 4 issue miniseries with The Azanians.

Azarra committed the great sin of trying to promote the notion of the BAAST pairing as not a pairing of equals, but a pairing that specified that the male BAAST was the mightier of the two. And she was the highest High Priest of the male BAAST. At first, she masterfully navigated the waters of Wakandan religious politics, but at last she found her religious and political position to be increasingly embattled. She doubled down on her position, and sought to incite religious civil war within Wakanda.

Of course she failed. And BAAST the male TPG expelled her from his faith.

She recovered, abandoned BAAST who had abandoned her first... and began worshipping Babalowayu, and that very mysterious and scarifying Orisha swiftly granted Azarra success in her financial political and power amassing endeavors. Azarra taught Zanda to worship Babalowayu the Orisha, and that is why Zanda cultivated a fanatical attraction to riches, health and thievery before she could walk or talk.

Zanda herself would be...politically... a fantastic blend of Princess Diana, Paris Hilton, and Amina the Warrior Princess of the Hausa. Politically, she's close to the sphere of Mosley Magnum and Killmonger. Etc. If she was featured as the main villainess and an adversary during a arc? She's more of a blend of Silver Fox, Lara Croft [ artifact and talisman seeker extraordinaire ],and one other tha I will keep under my belt for a moment. 

Given her background? Zanda and Azarra would be better suited as foes for Shuri and Ramonda.

Haha! Let me remind you my Bro that Bast gave Doom a free pass so I can definitely see her warming up to Zanda. Don't matter if she's princess of Narobia because she will soon become Queen of Wakanda when T'Challa comes callin'!

My girl Zanda is fierce. That stuff with Storm was just staged to make the Wind Rider look good. Zanda gotta get her props and step onto the big stage.

In my fanfic? Bast gave Doom a pass because she already knew that TChalla had Doom beat, and via Bast peering into Doom's soul? TChalla...who is spiritually connected to Bast...would ALSO get a look into Doom's soul. That gives Wakanda an even more unrecoverable, decisive advantage than she already had over Doom AND Latveria.

Otherwise that whole thing is PIS by Maberry.

I think the only way I could write Zanda is if I Batroc'ed her:  Revealed over the course of the story that her public persona (the bizarre diction, the goofy-looking headgear, the pompous dialogue) were all an act to lead people to underestimate her.

I already Batroc'd her. Chapter 9 in my fanfic. I "Batroc'd" someone else who shows in my fanfic who FOR SURE would have gotten the Batroc treatment loooong before Batroc did [ I'm talking MILLENIA ], because HE REALLY DESERVES IT. Lol. See how great minds think alike?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on July 12, 2017, 11:07:15 am
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3 Women in 51 Years  :)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on July 12, 2017, 11:11:25 am
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on July 12, 2017, 11:27:23 am
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on July 12, 2017, 11:48:02 am
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!

NBS bro.

Noble Brother Syndrome keeps the c*ck on lock.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on July 12, 2017, 12:25:00 pm
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!


Per Storm issue, T'challa been banging around since before his damn walk a bout

but ain't got no pissed X, jealous lovers in the comic verse?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on July 12, 2017, 01:48:08 pm
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!

NBS bro.

Noble Brother Syndrome keeps the c*ck on lock.

Sounds like a reprehensible disease!

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on July 12, 2017, 01:49:30 pm
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!


Per Storm issue, T'challa been banging around since before his damn walk a bout

but ain't got no pissed X, jealous lovers in the comic verse?

When those T'Challa-Naka tumbler pics start populating...  Storm fans ain't gon like me ;D
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 13, 2017, 03:54:14 pm
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!


Per Storm issue, T'challa been banging around since before his damn walk a bout

but ain't got no pissed X, jealous lovers in the comic verse?

When those T'Challa-Naka tumbler pics start populating...  Storm fans ain't gon like me ;D

is gonna work out no matter who BP rolls with.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: marvell2100 on July 13, 2017, 04:01:55 pm
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!

NBS bro.

Noble Brother Syndrome keeps the c*ck on lock.

Sounds like a reprehensible disease!

Indeed. The only known cure is to get the crappy writer off the book.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 16, 2017, 03:35:23 pm
The Tension!

Spoiler (click to reveal)
One of them is Wakanda’s undercover operative Nakia, played by 12 Years a Slave Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o. She may actually be the closest thing to 007 in this movie, and she’s a former lover of T’Challa’s.

THE TENSION!!

HES NOT A MONK OMG YES

Seriously, why did it take 51 years for someone to think of something like this?  It's genius!

NBS bro.

Noble Brother Syndrome keeps the c*ck on lock.

Sounds like a reprehensible disease!

Indeed. The only known cure is to get the crappy writer off the book.

Absolutely absolutely!!!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on August 31, 2017, 06:06:45 am
There is no hope, is there fam?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on August 31, 2017, 06:09:51 am
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx9c77ayep1qkz9yno1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on August 31, 2017, 07:20:02 am
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx9c77ayep1qkz9yno1_1280.jpg)

Maybe once the Movie drops and Coates is gone Tchalla can have a a LI and move on from whatever Storm fans are calling her after this BS issue
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on August 31, 2017, 09:37:24 am
Sue's poon poon must be made of sugar, spice and everything nice.  To BP's credit, he doesn't act as starch deprived around her as Victor and Namor. 

If anything, she low-key looks at him the way Beyonce looks at LeBron from her courtside seat when Jay's not looking.  Reed lucky this ain't real life.

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on August 31, 2017, 10:03:59 am
Sue's poon poon must be made of sugar, spice and everything nice.  To BP's credit, he doesn't act as starch deprived around her as Victor and Namor. 

If anything, she low-key looks at him the way Beyonce looks at LeBron from her courtside seat when Jay's not looking.  Reed lucky this ain't real life.


This is what Mutual attraction looks like. Not the Bullshiit in Coates book. I mean look at every "Intimate scene" in his story, T'challa pouring his guts out to her and her response is always a hand width distance.

The cover of Issue 17 actually brilliantly captures the real essence of the relationship:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lvRzB9n7qkg/WabJZJUT5-I/AAAAAAAAEo8/9tVC0YnO3rcKZwVj5hP5Y7vLby9Ek_XjwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO001.jpg)

Notice how T'challa is shown fully engaged, putting 100% but having his hand on her waist, while storm, has her hand hovering behind his head? Not fully committing? Sums of this "New" relationship in a nutshell. This needs to go
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on August 31, 2017, 10:09:50 am
Meanwhile a troll gives her a wink and a snarl and her panties are on the floor.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 12, 2017, 08:32:19 pm
I reread the first half of X-Men: World's Apart.

It wasn't as good as i thought it was 10 years ago.  In fact, I don't like it.

I think I overlooked the bitchmade talking points back then b/c, back then, I was still on my decade-long hiatus from CBR (i missed the bp-xmen wars) and so i was blissfully ignorant of any resentment and of course i did not know of the decade long victimization BP was about to endure. 

My ignorance made bitch-made Cyclops' rhetoric easier to shrug off b/c i didn't put 2 and 2 together with who he was really speaking for.  It wasn't until the early issues of Doom War that my spider-sense really started to tingle, with something being "wrong" with the of the mytho and BP/Storm's depicted relationship.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 12, 2017, 08:36:04 pm
I think I want BP with a Wakandan sorceress.  With curly fro'ish hair and one of those gown thingies like those medevial circe sorceres gowns but more africanish, and speaks in ominious riddles warning of great danger that has everyone like "why this heffa always speaking in riddles?!" but BP is like, "I understand exactly what she's saying."
 

Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 12, 2017, 08:47:41 pm
I think I want BP with a Wakandan sorceress.  With curly fro'ish hair and one of those gown thingies like those medevial circe sorceres gowns but more africanish, and speaks in ominious riddles warning of great danger that has everyone like "why this heffa always speaking in riddles?!" but BP is like, "I understand exactly what she's saying."
 
Hair like the women who will be playing Domino in Deadpool 2? Or closer to Zenzi?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 12, 2017, 08:56:29 pm
I think I want BP with a Wakandan sorceress.  With curly fro'ish hair and one of those gown thingies like those medevial circe sorceres gowns but more africanish, and speaks in ominious riddles warning of great danger that has everyone like "why this heffa always speaking in riddles?!" but BP is like, "I understand exactly what she's saying."
 
Hair like the women who will be playing Domino in Deadpool 2? Or closer to Zenzi?

I was thinking chick from East of West, daaak skinned lol.  But if it came down to Domino-biracial chick or Coate's chick... i guess i'd go with Domino biracial chick, off principle. 
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 12, 2017, 08:57:45 pm
Then I want a redemption arc for Nakia where she comes in like "POW! how you like me now?"

Hell, let blonde Nikki be resurrected and give her a prescription for that infinity formula performance enhancer that mockingbird and david hasseloff fury take.  In fact let her get trained by some knock off The Hand or The Foot assassin committee for years and years unbeknownst to BP, and have her come back like "Nakia, you bitch!" and let them cat fight while BP isn't sure whether he should intervene or ask them if they want to put their differences aside and help him make an oreo.

I think it could work.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 12, 2017, 09:11:43 pm
What do you think the age difference of BP an Nakia is? A simple retcon could say he was at 20 and she was 14. And now he would be 30 and she 24.

It would be understandable that he reinstituted the Dora when he was young and wanted to appease rival villages.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 12, 2017, 10:10:47 pm
What do you think the age difference of BP an Nakia is? A simple retcon could say he was at 20 and she was 14. And now he would be 30 and she 24.

It would be understandable that he reinstituted the Dora when he was young and wanted to appease rival villages.

I could be wrong, but I thought Priest said in his run, he mentioned he was 30-33 or so. I could be wrong. An easy solution could be the frogs bring on future Nakia about 10-12 future so she would be between 26-28 years old.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 13, 2017, 06:11:08 am
Oh just reboot the whole franchise and start back over with The Client Part 2 as a modernized version of Priest's modernized version.  Then everyone can be back alive and of comfortable legal age
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 13, 2017, 06:33:11 am
Or you could just magically have a Wakanda spy/war dog long thought lost/dead reappear in Wakanda....

She would magically look suspiciously like Lupita...

Her name could suspiciously be Nakkia (double that K!)

T'challa walks into his throne room with Storm on his arm after a nice stroll through the courtyard. Nakkia just be sitting on the throne chillin and just says, "well hello T, have you missed me?" and yes motherf*ckers, she just calls the king T. That right there instantly show the readers that she ain't just some spy. There be history.

then que that shocked T'challa face

(https://i.imgur.com/rdkLYE1.jpg)


boom... QueenNakkia is here, no "is she old enough" nonsense, no worrying about "fixing" Malice, no baggage.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 13, 2017, 06:39:06 am
That is arguably the greatest T'Challa expression of all time.  Further cemented with how Cage looked right next to him
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 13, 2017, 08:31:12 am
Oh just reboot the whole franchise and start back over with The Client Part 2 as a modernized version of Priest's modernized version.  Then everyone can be back alive and of comfortable legal age

honestly, If i were penning BP, I would actually start with another Origin story.. But a complete origin, more like combining Priest and Hudlin's Origins into something that fits both narratives, because right now they conflict with each other. I would bring the best of both worlds and make it all into something that makes Wakanda and T'Challa look badass


Or you could just magically have a Wakanda spy/war dog long thought lost/dead reappear in Wakanda....

She would magically look suspiciously like Lupita...

Her name could suspiciously be Nakkia (double that K!)

T'challa walks into his throne room with Storm on his arm after a nice stroll through the courtyard. Nakkia just be sitting on the throne chillin and just says, "well hello T, have you missed me?" and yes motherf*ckers, she just calls the king T. That right there instantly show the readers that she ain't just some spy. There be history.

then que that shocked T'challa face

(https://i.imgur.com/rdkLYE1.jpg)


boom... QueenNakkia is here, no "is she old enough" nonsense, no worrying about "fixing" Malice, no baggage.


Its one thing i liked about Hudlin's run is that even with the habit on we could see some expressions by T'Challa. I mean its badass to see a Poker face T'challa, but in some instances, especially like that one, it was funny to see even T'Challa be like

(https://niketalk.com/media/friday-damn-gif-gif.1632233/full?d=1500091467)

not some Lovestruck puppy that Coates shows who has his balls in Storms purse
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 13, 2017, 08:53:01 am
Or just use Malaika- which I'm would be the easiest thing to do especially movie versions of Nakia seems to be mostly based on her anyway..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 13, 2017, 08:54:38 am
I think I want BP with a Wakandan sorceress.  With curly fro'ish hair and one of those gown thingies like those medevial circe sorceres gowns but more africanish, and speaks in ominious riddles warning of great danger that has everyone like "why this heffa always speaking in riddles?!" but BP is like, "I understand exactly what she's saying."
 
Hair like the women who will be playing Domino in Deadpool 2? Or closer to Zenzi?

Zenzi has a great design one of better I've seen in comic in while sadly TNC wasted all of her potential
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 13, 2017, 09:19:41 am
Or just use Malaika- which I'm would be the easiest thing to do especially movie versions of Nakia seems to be mostly based on her anyway..

T'challa: Malaika, what are you doing here?

Malaika: please T'challa, call me Nakia


works for me lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 13, 2017, 09:24:22 am
Or just use Malaika- which I'm would be the easiest thing to do especially movie versions of Nakia seems to be mostly based on her anyway..

T'challa: Malaika, what are you doing here?

Malaika: please T'challa, call me Nakia


works for me lol

Cool Kool, I honestly don't get why they didn't call her Malaika in the movies in 1st lol she seems to be 80 Malaika & 20 Nakia  given what we currently know..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 13, 2017, 09:42:10 am
Or just use Malaika- which I'm would be the easiest thing to do especially movie versions of Nakia seems to be mostly based on her anyway..

T'challa: Malaika, what are you doing here?

Malaika: please T'challa, call me Nakia


works for me lol

This is why we need someone to bridge the origins together to Age up the MA 10 years (Keep Priest original set up, The girls minimum age requirement is 16 years old, but they won't be full fledged DM until they turn 21) so any DM we see on panel are atleast 21 years old. Nakia and Okoye are 25-26 years old. Simple change, if they wives in training came back then the young girls are not considered DM until they are older to keep people from bitching
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 13, 2017, 09:51:29 am
Or just use Malaika- which I'm would be the easiest thing to do especially movie versions of Nakia seems to be mostly based on her anyway..

T'challa: Malaika, what are you doing here?

Malaika: please T'challa, call me Nakia


works for me lol

This is why we need someone to bridge the origins together to Age up the MA 10 years (Keep Priest original set up, The girls minimum age requirement is 16 years old, but they won't be full fledged DM until they turn 21) so any DM we see on panel are atleast 21 years old. Nakia and Okoye are 25-26 years old. Simple change, if they wives in training came back then the young girls are not considered DM until they are older to keep people from bitching

That would be cool aswell
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 13, 2017, 10:17:43 am
I don't think there needs to be anything so drastic.

Just use some damn comic book magic and imagination.

every other franchise does it.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 13, 2017, 11:29:14 am
I don't think there needs to be anything so drastic.

Just use some damn comic book magic and imagination.

every other franchise does it.

Have you forgotten Brother MoS? T'Challa doesn't get comic book magic and imagination, He has to be stuck in realism  and racial stereotypes because that's "appealing"
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 13, 2017, 11:35:10 am
Wait, so yall didn't like my necromancer ninja assassin codename snowbunny re-imagination of Nikki?  :'(

I put a lot of thought into that  :'( :'(
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: DigiCom on September 13, 2017, 02:32:27 pm

T'challa: Malaika, what are you doing here?

Malaika: please T'challa, call me Nakia


works for me lol

Me too, actually.

Cool Kool, I honestly don't get why they didn't call her Malaika in the movies in 1st lol she seems to be 80 Malaika & 20 Nakia  given what we currently know..

Probably because like 6 people remember her.  Hell, I didn't even know who she was until a few months ago. :)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 13, 2017, 02:51:31 pm
Wait, so yall didn't like my necromancer ninja assassin codename snowbunny re-imagination of Nikki?  :'(

I put a lot of thought into that  :'( :'(

I like it, But i would NEVER suggest it with the current "Creative" team 
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 13, 2017, 06:00:26 pm
Wait, so yall didn't like my necromancer ninja assassin codename snowbunny re-imagination of Nikki?  :'(

I put a lot of thought into that  :'( :'(

I like it, But i would NEVER suggest it with the current "Creative" team 

Hehe in truth I was just bs'ing but low-key Nikki is the rodney dangerfield of love interests.  No respect.  Even my thread title disrespects and ignores her numerical contributions to the love interest tally.

It's such a waste to keep her dead.   After all, we'd have never got spider-gwen if they kept gwen dead and buried.  Bring her, Nakia, Shang Chi's sister, Zanda, all of them back and let them have a party
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 13, 2017, 08:35:35 pm
Wait, so yall didn't like my necromancer ninja assassin codename snowbunny re-imagination of Nikki?  :'(

I put a lot of thought into that  :'( :'(

I like it, But i would NEVER suggest it with the current "Creative" team 

Hehe in truth I was just bs'ing but low-key Nikki is the rodney dangerfield of love interests.  No respect.  Even my thread title disrespects and ignores her numerical contributions to the love interest tally.

It's such a waste to keep her dead.   After all, we'd have never got spider-gwen if they kept gwen dead and buried.  Bring her, Nakia, Shang Chi's sister, Zanda, all of them back and let them have a party

Did seriously why aren't these Women still around? Wanting to get Down with the King? That would be a perfect opportunity to have some extra LI and some tension to show he isn't a Monk or stuck on Storm
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 14, 2017, 07:58:19 am
If T'Challa was Clint, they'd have brought them all back plus half the females on the Avengers.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 14, 2017, 08:57:48 am
If T'Challa was Clint, they'd have brought them all back plus half the females on the Avengers.

But alas, in the BP Mythos currently, Aneka and Ayo have gotten more action then Tchalla..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 14, 2017, 10:50:16 am
If T'Challa was Clint, they'd have brought them all back plus half the females on the Avengers.

But alas, in the BP Mythos currently, Aneka and Ayo have gotten more action then Tchalla..

Hahhahaahha


*truth sets in*


damn  :-\
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 20, 2017, 12:34:30 pm
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oRNdRmC0KaU/WcJy6OdzYYI/AAAAAAAABvo/iuaUCcYmWdYeFiueiOf1vLhF9npQGwK6QCHMYCw/s1600/RCO005.jpg)

LMAO.  Silk is a bit too young tho (i think).  Sorry.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 20, 2017, 12:49:54 pm
Pak continues to respect T'challa.

It's refreshing
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 20, 2017, 12:59:08 pm
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oRNdRmC0KaU/WcJy6OdzYYI/AAAAAAAABvo/iuaUCcYmWdYeFiueiOf1vLhF9npQGwK6QCHMYCw/s1600/RCO005.jpg[/url])

LMAO.  Silk is a bit too young tho (i think).  Sorry.


Is She? I figured she was right around peters age and isn't he like 25 or something?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 20, 2017, 01:03:45 pm
she in her twenties at a minimum

she was locked in the bunker at high school age (so 14-19) then 13 years later released.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 20, 2017, 01:29:14 pm
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oRNdRmC0KaU/WcJy6OdzYYI/AAAAAAAABvo/iuaUCcYmWdYeFiueiOf1vLhF9npQGwK6QCHMYCw/s1600/RCO005.jpg[/url])

LMAO.  Silk is a bit too young tho (i think).  Sorry.


Nah she the same age at Peter Parker and Jessica Jones Cage give a take a yr..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 20, 2017, 01:53:38 pm
Damn, i've been vetoed! 

Fine.

*begrudgingly revokes Silk's embargo from getting some Wakanda in her*

Yall happy now?  ::)

lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 20, 2017, 02:03:48 pm
Damn, i've been vetoed! 

Fine.

*begrudgingly revokes Silk's embargo from getting some Wakanda in her*

Yall happy now?  ::)

lol

Considering Everyone wants T'Challa all up on Storms heels like a lost puppy? Yes, its good to see the King has his swagger (Too bad all this always occur outside his own book) and has girls swooning
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 20, 2017, 05:25:01 pm
How old is Tchalla?

And how young is too young for him to date?
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 20, 2017, 06:30:07 pm
How old is Tchalla?

And how young is too young for him to date?

Forever early early 30s probably..

Really depends on the character probably 20 would be my cut off..
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 20, 2017, 07:08:17 pm
There was that one shot where Shuri said she was like 21-22 and considering Tchalla was about 8-10 when he blew off klaws hand he is probably right around 30.

That said silk should be about 25-28
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 20, 2017, 07:32:45 pm
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.

I would've said mid to late 30s, but i'm piling on some continuity baggage lol. 

i.e. i'm looking at the early part of Hudlin's run as BP in his very late 20s/ 30 on the dot, getting over his hoe phase and ready to settle down with the mutant woman.  Then i think of all the sh*t that has happened since then through the end of Secret Wars #9, and i'm like yea that's probably been 4-5 years in comic book life.  Minimum.

Or more so, those years have dragged on to me to where I feel the character is old (or burdened with so much baggage).  But i felt a bit similar during Priest's run in that he felt aged/burdened, what with the Okoye/Nakia being seen as kids by him and Monica, QDJ... and how all the actual adults just felt kinda reflective of all the history that led them to Priest's run.  He felt mid to late 30s there, before he got youthful again in Hudlin's run.  Difference was, I wasn't appalled by it in Priest's run like I am now.

It may be time for BP to be 30 again.  I tire of this current history
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 20, 2017, 08:02:17 pm
Off topic but shout out to Brother Doctor Voodoo getting some ass.  Break down them walls Jerchio!  Vision gon die sooner or later in the MCU, might as well start creeping now!

*salute*

(http://static3.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UNCAVEN2015B030-Cov.jpg?cs=tinysrgb&q=50&w=450&h=687&fit=crop&dpr=1.5)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ture on September 20, 2017, 08:22:30 pm
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oRNdRmC0KaU/WcJy6OdzYYI/AAAAAAAABvo/iuaUCcYmWdYeFiueiOf1vLhF9npQGwK6QCHMYCw/s1600/RCO005.jpg[/url])

LMAO.  Silk is a bit too young tho (i think).  Sorry.


Best rendition of T'Challa out of costume I've seen in years. He's handsome and got swag.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 20, 2017, 08:54:23 pm
Off topic but shout out to Brother Doctor Voodoo getting some ass.  Break down them walls Jerchio!  Vision gon die sooner or later in the MCU, might as well start creeping now!

*salute*

([url]http://static3.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UNCAVEN2015B030-Cov.jpg?cs=tinysrgb&q=50&w=450&h=687&fit=crop&dpr=1.5[/url])


Did he go through age regression? He looks mad young.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 21, 2017, 05:31:18 am
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 21, 2017, 06:40:43 am
Off topic but shout out to Brother Doctor Voodoo getting some ass.  Break down them walls Jerchio!  Vision gon die sooner or later in the MCU, might as well start creeping now!

*salute*

([url]http://static3.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UNCAVEN2015B030-Cov.jpg?cs=tinysrgb&q=50&w=450&h=687&fit=crop&dpr=1.5[/url])


Did he go through age regression? He looks mad young.


Word is he turned vegan and drinks 5 bottles of water a day now.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 21, 2017, 06:42:24 am
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)

That does not look like a 6 time People magazine sexiest man alive.

Pause.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 21, 2017, 07:05:54 am
Off topic but shout out to Brother Doctor Voodoo getting some ass.  Break down them walls Jerchio!  Vision gon die sooner or later in the MCU, might as well start creeping now!

*salute*

([url]http://static3.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UNCAVEN2015B030-Cov.jpg?cs=tinysrgb&q=50&w=450&h=687&fit=crop&dpr=1.5[/url])


Did he go through age regression? He looks mad young.


Just Tha artist interpretation/ art style
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 21, 2017, 09:12:19 am
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)

That does not look like a 6 time People magazine sexiest man alive.

Pause.

Sprouse is currently the artist and he makes Tchalla look late 30s early 40s and average looking. Not holding any  titles
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 21, 2017, 02:06:07 pm
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)

That does not look like a 6 time People magazine sexiest man alive.

Pause.

Sprouse is currently the artist and he makes Tchalla look late 30s early 40s and average looking. Not holding any  titles

I think it's time we make BP 30 again.  Bout time for another The Client/Who is the Black Panther shake up.

First issue can start off with BP kicking Doom's mom outta bed and saying "It's not you, it's me.  More so, its your son.  I'm tired of being his daddy."  Boom!  Roll credits!



Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 21, 2017, 02:17:30 pm
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)

That does not look like a 6 time People magazine sexiest man alive.

Pause.

Sprouse is currently the artist and he makes Tchalla look late 30s early 40s and average looking. Not holding any  titles

I think it's time we make BP 30 again.  Bout time for another The Client/Who is the Black Panther shake up.

First issue can start off with BP kicking Doom's mom outta bed and saying "It's not you, it's me.  More so, its your son.  I'm tired of being his daddy."  Boom!  Roll credits!

Dude that would be Epic, Like I wouldn't even Care if he didn't fight Doom, just a simple line "Hey Victor, your mom says hello... From Wakanda"

Doom:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/69462a5f9a21d15cb58e97a5a9fd4b5d/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 22, 2017, 06:11:42 am
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)

That does not look like a 6 time People magazine sexiest man alive.

Pause.

Sprouse is currently the artist and he makes Tchalla look late 30s early 40s and average looking. Not holding any  titles

I think it's time we make BP 30 again.  Bout time for another The Client/Who is the Black Panther shake up.

First issue can start off with BP kicking Doom's mom outta bed and saying "It's not you, it's me.  More so, its your son.  I'm tired of being his daddy."  Boom!  Roll credits!

Dude that would be Epic, Like I wouldn't even Care if he didn't fight Doom, just a simple line "Hey Victor, your mom says hello... From Wakanda"

Doom:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/69462a5f9a21d15cb58e97a5a9fd4b5d/tenor.gif)


See, this is why i couldn't write BP.  I'm too petty.  It'd never get past editorial. 

You and SI would get more accomplished in the long run by virtue of being reasonable, and more willing to be mature adults about past character grudges lol.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 22, 2017, 07:42:58 am
That one artist who draws BP (not Stelfreeze) makes homeboy look like he 40-something.


naw thats Stelfreeze lol

(https://s29.postimg.org/hom56velx/image.png)

That does not look like a 6 time People magazine sexiest man alive.

Pause.

Sprouse is currently the artist and he makes Tchalla look late 30s early 40s and average looking. Not holding any  titles

I think it's time we make BP 30 again.  Bout time for another The Client/Who is the Black Panther shake up.

First issue can start off with BP kicking Doom's mom outta bed and saying "It's not you, it's me.  More so, its your son.  I'm tired of being his daddy."  Boom!  Roll credits!

Dude that would be Epic, Like I wouldn't even Care if he didn't fight Doom, just a simple line "Hey Victor, your mom says hello... From Wakanda"

Doom:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/69462a5f9a21d15cb58e97a5a9fd4b5d/tenor.gif)


See, this is why i couldn't write BP.  I'm too petty.  It'd never get past editorial. 

You and SI would get more accomplished in the long run by virtue of being reasonable, and more willing to be mature adults about past character grudges lol.

Just gotta be low key about it. I would definitely settle the score in some form
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 24, 2017, 07:59:39 am
Damn, i've been vetoed! 

Fine.

*begrudgingly revokes Silk's embargo from getting some Wakanda in her*

Yall happy now?  ::)

lol

I've been thinking, about that picture of BP in Hulk.. How it's also important how you draw the character that saying the other characters attractive or funning over him... The most attractive female in the image would be Maddy Cho (she's probably 21-23, because her bro never can go past 19-21, also is not surprising she's drawing the most attractive because it's her home book).. While Silk in this image is drawn with a similar body type to Miss Marvel.. who's a teen.. Which is off imo a good/great Silk drawing my opinion should have her with really thick/big thighs ( or atleast thick by marvel comic standards), When she first came out she was really skinny, then they drawing her would somewhat thick thighs, then they have the art team sports to her book I think the pill to a younger audience and she starts being drawn Too Young in my opinion but that goes for every character in her own going at the time just a bad choice of art style in my opinion, and the last time she teamed up in Cho-Hulk she was drawn to small similar to how her then ongoing art style was.. so well by no means is silk drawn ugly in the image but she's definitely noto her Optimum level...
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 24, 2017, 09:35:49 am
Damn, i've been vetoed! 

Fine.

*begrudgingly revokes Silk's embargo from getting some Wakanda in her*

Yall happy now?  ::)

lol

I've been thinking, about that picture of BP in Hulk.. How it's also important how you draw the character that saying the other characters attractive or funning over him... The most attractive female in the image would be Maddy Cho (she's probably 21-23, because her bro never can go past 19-21, also is not surprising she's drawing the most attractive because it's her home book).. While Silk in this image is drawn with a similar body type to Miss Marvel.. who's a teen.. Which is off imo a good/great Silk drawing my opinion should have her with really thick/big thighs ( or atleast thick by marvel comic standards), When she first came out she was really skinny, then they drawing her would somewhat thick thighs, then they have the art team sports to her book I think the pill to a younger audience and she starts being drawn Too Young in my opinion but that goes for every character in her own going at the time just a bad choice of art style in my opinion, and the last time she teamed up in Cho-Hulk she was drawn to small similar to how her then ongoing art style was.. so well by no means is silk drawn ugly in the image but she's definitely noto her Optimum level...

It depends on the artist. Sprouse draws Tchalla as an average looking guy in his late 30s early 40s, but in previous runs or S1 Ultimates he looked alot younger and had a handsome face. Really just skill of the artist
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 24, 2017, 01:53:09 pm
Damn, i've been vetoed! 

Fine.

*begrudgingly revokes Silk's embargo from getting some Wakanda in her*

Yall happy now?  ::)

lol

I've been thinking, about that picture of BP in Hulk.. How it's also important how you draw the character that saying the other characters attractive or funning over him... The most attractive female in the image would be Maddy Cho (she's probably 21-23, because her bro never can go past 19-21, also is not surprising she's drawing the most attractive because it's her home book).. While Silk in this image is drawn with a similar body type to Miss Marvel.. who's a teen.. Which is off imo a good/great Silk drawing my opinion should have her with really thick/big thighs ( or atleast thick by marvel comic standards), When she first came out she was really skinny, then they drawing her would somewhat thick thighs, then they have the art team sports to her book I think the pill to a younger audience and she starts being drawn Too Young in my opinion but that goes for every character in her own going at the time just a bad choice of art style in my opinion, and the last time she teamed up in Cho-Hulk she was drawn to small similar to how her then ongoing art style was.. so well by no means is silk drawn ugly in the image but she's definitely noto her Optimum level...
True, that she was drawn like a pre-teen fangirl while acting like a pre-teen fangirl to Kamala, who i associate with Miles and kid Nova as being barely above pre-teen in age, created the false equivalency in my mind that Silk was clearly 10-15 years younger than what she actually/apparently is.

She's caught in that Shuri/Richard Grayson/Barbara tweener stage: a bit too old to be hanging out with the kiddos (Kamala/Miles/Riri/Beast Boy) but still supposed to be notably younger than the OGs.

In short, Silk should be drawn like a 28 year old groupie looking for a professional athlete, and not a 15 year old fangirl at a justin bieber concert lol
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 24, 2017, 06:21:09 pm
Damn, i've been vetoed! 

Fine.

*begrudgingly revokes Silk's embargo from getting some Wakanda in her*

Yall happy now?  ::)

lol

I've been thinking, about that picture of BP in Hulk.. How it's also important how you draw the character that saying the other characters attractive or funning over him... The most attractive female in the image would be Maddy Cho (she's probably 21-23, because her bro never can go past 19-21, also is not surprising she's drawing the most attractive because it's her home book).. While Silk in this image is drawn with a similar body type to Miss Marvel.. who's a teen.. Which is off imo a good/great Silk drawing my opinion should have her with really thick/big thighs ( or atleast thick by marvel comic standards), When she first came out she was really skinny, then they drawing her would somewhat thick thighs, then they have the art team sports to her book I think the pill to a younger audience and she starts being drawn Too Young in my opinion but that goes for every character in her own going at the time just a bad choice of art style in my opinion, and the last time she teamed up in Cho-Hulk she was drawn to small similar to how her then ongoing art style was.. so well by no means is silk drawn ugly in the image but she's definitely noto her Optimum level...
True, that she was drawn like a pre-teen fangirl while acting like a pre-teen fangirl to Kamala, who i associate with Miles and kid Nova as being barely above pre-teen in age, created the false equivalency in my mind that Silk was clearly 10-15 years younger than what she actually/apparently is.

She's caught in that Shuri/Richard Grayson/Barbara tweener stage: a bit too old to be hanging out with the kiddos (Kamala/Miles/Riri/Beast Boy) but still supposed to be notably younger than the OGs.

In short, Silk should be drawn like a 28 year old groupie looking for a professional athlete, and not a 15 year old fangirl at a justin bieber concert lol

#FACTS
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on September 25, 2017, 08:46:30 am
spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers for Marvel Legacy


Spoiler (click to reveal)
It looks like classic 616 Wolverine//Logan is coming back. not just Jean Grey



seems relevant for this thread lol

oh lawd
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: 4sake on September 25, 2017, 08:49:38 am
spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers for Marvel Legacy


Spoiler (click to reveal)
It looks like classic 616 Wolverine//Logan is coming back. not just Jean Grey



seems relevant for this thread lol

oh lawd

If tru extra lame.. Thanks for the info MOS.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 25, 2017, 09:16:25 am
spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers for Marvel Legacy


Spoiler (click to reveal)
It looks like classic 616 Wolverine//Logan is coming back. not just Jean Grey



seems relevant for this thread lol

oh lawd

So Storms gonna be like

(https://media.tenor.com/images/53285ed070aea4f963141d04a1d23fae/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 25, 2017, 10:17:31 am
spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers for Marvel Legacy


Spoiler (click to reveal)
It looks like classic 616 Wolverine//Logan is coming back. not just Jean Grey



seems relevant for this thread lol

oh lawd

Hahahahahahah
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 25, 2017, 10:21:46 am
If Greg Pak were writing BP, I'd be extra excited b/c it's about time BP kicked [spoiler's] ass again.  But this time no plot devices, no inhibiting abilities and no excuses.

Unfortunately, Greg Pak is not writing BP.  So this will end the same way we all knew it would end.  Not with BP, but with that thot whose been hanging around him the last handful of months
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Ezyo on September 25, 2017, 11:52:36 am
If Greg Pak were writing BP, I'd be extra excited b/c it's about time BP kicked [spoiler's] ass again.  But this time no plot devices, no inhibiting abilities and no excuses.

Unfortunately, Greg Pak is not writing BP.  So this will end the same way we all knew it would end.  Not with BP, but with that thot whose been hanging around him the last handful of months

There are alot of people that would be a huge improvement over Coates. a monkey hitting random keys on a computer would be better then Coates
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on September 27, 2017, 09:20:43 am
If Greg Pak were writing BP, I'd be extra excited b/c it's about time BP kicked [spoiler's] ass again.  But this time no plot devices, no inhibiting abilities and no excuses.

Unfortunately, Greg Pak is not writing BP.  So this will end the same way we all knew it would end.  Not with BP, but with that thot whose been hanging around him the last handful of months

There are alot of people that would be a huge improvement over Coates. a monkey hitting random keys on a computer would be better then Coates

This is a valid point.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on October 15, 2017, 05:29:56 pm
Does Wakanda have any celebrities?

Whose the Marylin Monroe to T'Challa's JFK? (whoa)

Whose the Beyonce to his Obama?

(http://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/rs-19205-20120919-beyonce-jayz-624x420-1348093117.jpg)

Looking ass!

BP a 6 time People Mag winner, well what entertainment magazines do Wakanda have? 

If Bendis can steal the idea of MCU Shuri and make "Riri", then we might as well steal the idea of Rihanna and make her.. er.. Rikanda?  yea, that'll work.
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on November 09, 2017, 11:30:11 am
" HER KINGS LOVE"

(https://i.imgur.com/x9WXXhf.jpg)


suck it Oreo fans

ALL HAIL QUEEN NAKIA
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on November 13, 2017, 10:42:42 am
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/848084a2c6dc1076e4aa4fd4f7ebe9d6/tumblr_orbaauGiqX1w36i71o1_500.gif)

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/210d37fb7280fe4fc53e841a5d0be171/tumblr_otkiqlIqYN1w36i71o5_250.gif)

T'Challa saw it alright :D
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on February 11, 2018, 09:58:42 am
(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/line2-9-10.jpg?q=35&w=864&h=559&fit=crop)

 ???


I mean sure, why not
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on February 11, 2018, 12:14:47 pm
4 days til queen nakia reigns!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Salustrade on February 11, 2018, 12:49:40 pm
4 days til queen nakia reigns!

Nakia forever!!!
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: MindofShadow on February 19, 2018, 06:45:12 am
Next time someone watched the movie, I need a pick of queen nakia and king tchalla lockin lips


so

many

storm

memes

in my head
Title: Re: "2 Women in 50 Years" Appreciation/Unappreciation Thread
Post by: Mortal Man on February 19, 2018, 08:28:39 am
I... I feel like i can retire this thread now  :'(

I feel so happy, tears of joy.

Spoiler (click to reveal)
"3 Women in 52 Years Appreciation/Unappreciation" Thread coming soon  ;)