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Title: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on April 25, 2017, 07:49:16 am
My Pacers are such a joke :(


I love seeing old man Joe Johnson do his Old Man thing.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on April 25, 2017, 10:52:24 am
So far, everything I've seen looks like a third consecutive Warriors vs. Cavaliers matchup. And a Golden State championship. But LeBron is still the best player on the planet.

Here's some random observations about the remaining series:

Boston vs. Chicago
Isaiah Thomas persevering; Rondo's resurrection then series turning injury. Looks like Boston is going to survive.

Toronto vs. Milwaukee
I thought this might be the Giannis coming out party but not quite yet. He's the next big thing though. Dude might be the 2nd best player in the East right now. Wait until he can shoot.

Washington vs. Atlanta
John Wall is the best player in this series. The Wizards should have taken care of business at least once in the ATL. Now they have a fight on their hands.

San Antonio vs. Memphis
This is a fun series. Memphis always battles. Mike Conley is criminally underrated, even in his own mind sometimes. Kawhi Leonard is a basketball cyborg. Dude does everything right. He needs some help though. (LMA, I'm looking at you.)

Houston vs. OKC
Obviously, the MVP battle. Houston is better though. They could even make it to the WCF.

Clippers vs. Utah
What do you know, Blake's injured again. Doesn't really matter. Whoever comes out of this series is roadkill anyway.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on April 25, 2017, 10:56:02 am
Westbrook over Harden for MVP is ridiculous.

Westbrook went full ball hog mode

yes, it si historic what he did. But Harden wasn't that far behind while actually making his team mates better...
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on April 25, 2017, 11:25:31 am
Yeah, I kind of agree with you. The counter is "have you seen the rest of the Thunder?" You're right, he was the first ever to crack 40% usage rate. His efficiency was comparable to Harden's though and he led the league in assist percentage (only John Stockton has ever had a higher assist %).

So, I think Russell Westbrook is going to win MVP. I don't know if he should, but I'm OK with it. This year has been pretty great for MVP discussions. There's probably 5 guys you could support depending on what you value.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Marvelous on April 25, 2017, 04:48:08 pm
As always...my Spurs.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 26, 2017, 12:31:58 am
So far, everything I've seen looks like a third consecutive Warriors vs. Cavaliers matchup. And a Golden State championship. But LeBron is still the best player on the planet.

Why do you give it to Golden State this year?  My son questions this.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on April 26, 2017, 05:52:36 am
Yeah, I kind of agree with you. The counter is "have you seen the rest of the Thunder?" You're right, he was the first ever to crack 40% usage rate. His efficiency was comparable to Harden's though and he led the league in assist percentage (only John Stockton has ever had a higher assist %).

So, I think Russell Westbrook is going to win MVP. I don't know if he should, but I'm OK with it. This year has been pretty great for MVP discussions. There's probably 5 guys you could support depending on what you value.

IMO, a superstar is supposed to elevate his team mates.

Westbrook just went "f*ck it, i'll do everything myself. Oh and guys, box out everyone so I can get free rebounds for my triple double"

How does a player like Oladipo not excel playing next to an MVP candidate? He basically just duplicated his numbers from a sh*t Orlando team.

How come Steve Adams seemingly got worse?

This team was like Iverson's sixers teams... except those teams were built to revolve around Iverson.

(plus he helped push one of ht ebest players ever out in Durant but that is for another day).

Now... I AM nitpicking. But I feel like with this class of candidates, nitpicking is a necessity. And Harden did nearly everything Westbrook did... but his team is an actual threat and he made people better.


we all know Lebron is the best player anyway lol
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on April 26, 2017, 08:51:10 am
So far, everything I've seen looks like a third consecutive Warriors vs. Cavaliers matchup. And a Golden State championship. But LeBron is still the best player on the planet.

Why do you give it to Golden State this year?  My son questions this.
They're just stacked. I think they get through the west without that much trouble really. The Spurs don't have enough firepower to keep up and the Rockets can't guard them. Although a Rockets vs. Warriors WCF would be a lot of fun.

The Cavs are not as good on the defensive end this year. The Warriors give them too many problems to solve. They probably should have won last year. LBJ went supernova to just eke it out. So now add freaking KD to the mix. It's kinda not a fair fight. Plus LeBron just led the league in minutes played so we'll have to see if he's got that Superman gear available.

The one caveat, injuries can change everything. That happened last year. Steph Curry wasn't 100% in the finals last year and it made a difference.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on April 26, 2017, 09:06:49 am
Now... I AM nitpicking. But I feel like with this class of candidates, nitpicking is a necessity. And Harden did nearly everything Westbrook did... but his team is an actual threat and he made people better.
Truth. Nitpicking is necessary. And Harden did lead the most efficient offense in the NBA. If I were voting for MVP, I think this would be my ballot:

1. James Harden - what MindOfShadow said. If he would just guard somebody...
2. Steph Curry - makes an excellent team great. Steph's season was amazing by all measures except in comparison to his utterly ridiculous season last year.
3. Russell Westbrook - historic season. But even Oscar Robertson didn't win MVP the year he averaged a triple double. RW basically made a lottery team into a first round exit team.
4. LeBron James - he should probably have more of these by now. We all know if we were picking teams for a game or series anywhere, he'd be first.
5. Kawhi Leonard - dude just does everything right. He'd probably be my second pick.

One thing that's unfortunate, one of those guards will be 2nd team All-NBA (probably Steph). Add in Anthony Davis and that's my All-NBA squad.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Mastrmynd on April 29, 2017, 05:04:11 pm
John Wall made an enemy last night.
Me.  And hopefully the rest of Hawks Nation.

#ATLH0
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 03, 2017, 10:43:30 am
John Wall made an enemy last night.
Me.  And hopefully the rest of Hawks Nation.

#ATLH0
Hopefully indeed. The NBA needs more hate. Seriously.

Speaking of which, the Wizards better figure out how to slow down AI 2.0 in a hurry or this is going to be a short series. Where you at Bradley Beal?

So what's up with your squad, MM? They look stuck in mediocrity.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Hypestyle on May 03, 2017, 02:03:02 pm
are all the playoffs on cable right now?  all the goings-on have been above my head these several weeks.
Oh well.
will the east/west conference finals at least be on regular TV?

never mind.  big money rules. old news.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 04, 2017, 10:50:53 am
John Wall made an enemy last night.
Me.  And hopefully the rest of Hawks Nation.

#ATLH0
Hopefully indeed. The NBA needs more hate. Seriously.

Speaking of which, the Wizards better figure out how to slow down AI 2.0 in a hurry or this is going to be a short series. Where you at Bradley Beal?

So what's up with your squad, MM? They look stuck in mediocrity.

We are. We're good, but not good enough.
No matter how many moves we make, we stay around the same place.
Last year's team was one of the best.  If we would've had Dwight last year, then I think we would've defeated Cleveland and the championship would've been ours.
We play up to our competition and last year we were giving Golden State fits
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on May 04, 2017, 10:52:45 am
dwight howard is a cancer
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 09, 2017, 08:12:03 am
So the designated finalists keep on rolling while the best of the others battle for the chance to face them in the conference finals.

The Wizards should handle the Celtics; they've been the better team except for the 4th quarters of games 1 & 2.
The Spurs have home court advantage and I think they'll move on. If the Rockets get hot, all bets are off though.

I don't see anything threatening to derail a finals three-peat though.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on May 09, 2017, 08:24:50 am
I don't either

and i don't think GS is going to have too much trouble with the Cavs honestly.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 09, 2017, 05:33:45 pm
Best team vs. best player
I think the Warriors have too much for even LBJ to overcome. Gotta give the best player of the era a puncher's chance. But I don't see how the Cavs can either slow the W's down enough defensively or keep up with them offensively.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on May 09, 2017, 06:55:09 pm
Lebron barely had enough last year

And they added durant lol
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 10, 2017, 08:24:13 am
Yup. Exactly. Doesn't seem fair...
Of course, fair's got nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Metro on May 15, 2017, 02:43:35 pm

Golden State's bench got a lot weaker. This year, though, they were smarter about resting to be ready for the Finals.

The big change to me is how much better the Cavs' bench is this year. The Warriors need a lot of mental toughness to make sure they keep the Cavs for staying close into the fourth quarter.

They can do it.

I can't say I would be happy to see it, though.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 15, 2017, 03:25:10 pm
I used to think the Warriors bench was better last year. Maybe not though. I saw an article somewhere (I thought it was on FiveThirtyEight but I can't find it there) pointing out that role players look a lot better playing with the Warriors front line guys. According to the article, the productivity of this year's bench is about the same as last year's. Could be.

I think the Cavs might be better offensively this year but probably not defensively. At least not over the last half of the regular season. We'll have to see if they can slow the Warriors down enough to have a chance. Interestingly, they seem to be doing some different things in the playoffs. Might turn out to be a smart move.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Metro on May 17, 2017, 11:57:16 am
The interchangeable parts on Cleveland are much better this year *because* they are designed to take advantage of GS' relative weakness (McGee/Pachulia v. Bogut/Ezeli). It's like CLE learned from GS the last two years, but kept a smarter, better James at the center of the mix.

Curry, KD, Clay, Dray, & Iguodala can outperform James, Irving, Love, Thompson, and Smith for periods, but will their margin at 42 minutes be enough to overcome their bench issues (Livingston, McGee, etc.) especially if James coordinates their style of 3-point attack while playing center with Frye, Korver, Shumpert, and Williams?

I think GS probably has enough consistency and mental toughness to do it, but they might surprise me, especially if they get arrogant like they did last year.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: MindofShadow on May 17, 2017, 12:28:34 pm
you almost have to admire what Ainge did raping the Nets

but good lord, boston has had enough success damnit

and then of course lakers hit #2. roarrrrr
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 18, 2017, 08:02:16 am
The interchangeable parts on Cleveland are much better this year *because* they are designed to take advantage of GS' relative weakness (McGee/Pachulia v. Bogut/Ezeli). It's like CLE learned from GS the last two years, but kept a smarter, better James at the center of the mix.

Curry, KD, Clay, Dray, & Iguodala can outperform James, Irving, Love, Thompson, and Smith for periods, but will their margin at 42 minutes be enough to overcome their bench issues (Livingston, McGee, etc.) especially if James coordinates their style of 3-point attack while playing center with Frye, Korver, Shumpert, and Williams?

I think GS probably has enough consistency and mental toughness to do it, but they might surprise me, especially if they get arrogant like they did last year.
Interesting analysis. I agree that the Cavs have become more like GS and that LBJ is even better this year. He's shooting the ball better this year and he's finding capable shooters which they have many -- Love, Irving, Korver, Frye, Smith, Williams. He's the best player on the planet with a well-designed roster around him.

To me, their challenge is that many of their best offensive players are not that good defensively. The Warriors core players are pretty good to great on both sides of the ball, especially Dray and Klay. I don't know if the Cavs can defend well enough to keep the Warriors in reach. When the Dubs are hitting shots, it's hard to see how anybody can score with them.

It will be interesting to see what kind of pace the Cavs try to play at. They should probably be opportunistic in transition but otherwise, keep it under control.

I'm looking forward to the duel. These two teams are clearly head and shoulders better than everybody else.
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on June 02, 2017, 01:53:56 pm
So what did we learn from Game 1?
I think the Cavs need to play pretty near perfection and hope the Warriors don't to win. Four times. It's not impossible but it is unlikely as far as I can see. 
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Tanksleyd on June 03, 2017, 05:22:17 pm
Durant...?
Better defense
Better scoring though
Is the more achievable goal
If LeBron is to dance, once more
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Hypestyle on June 04, 2017, 02:41:42 pm
new game tonight, yes?

So how might this one turn out?

When do they go to Cleveland?
Title: Re: 2017 NBA Playoffs
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on June 04, 2017, 06:24:56 pm
new game tonight, yes?

So how might this one turn out?

When do they go to Cleveland?
Hey Hype,
It's a 2-2-1-1-1 format, GSW have home court advantage.
So games 3 & 4 are in Cleveland, Wednesday and Friday.

Cavs will make some adjustments and play better. The question is whether the Warriors will also play better. We'll see.

It's almost more of a must win for Golden State. A win by the Cavs steals home court advantage. On the other hand, a W's win and game 3 is most definitely a must win. Down 3-0 is death.