Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie. I enjoyed it. I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development. But it's good.
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie. I enjoyed it. I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development. But it's good.
I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.
League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie. I enjoyed it. I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development. But it's good.
I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.
League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.
I did find it surprising that they made WW weaker than Superman. In comics, they push their equal strength levels. But I loved the Superman's first use of super speed against the Flash.
I did find it surprising that they made WW weaker than Superman. In comics, they push their equal strength levels. But I loved the Superman's first use of super speed against the Flash.
It made less than IM1 did though (not even counting in the 10 year inflation). An IM1 pre MCU hype (since it was the first), staring a out of rehab RDJ with a B list character.
How does that even happen?
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies. Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.
It made less than IM1 did though (not even counting in the 10 year inflation). An IM1 pre MCU hype (since it was the first), staring a out of rehab RDJ with a B list character.Spiderman: Homecoming was the best Spiderman film I've ever seen, but because it came after so many others it underperformed.
How does that even happen?
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies. Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.
I thought that was stated in Wonder Woman's film? I must be misremembering.
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies. Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.
I thought that was stated in Wonder Woman's film? I must be misremembering.
I just watched it a couple days ago, they never mentioned it. They just put the bracelets on her with no explanation.
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie. I enjoyed it. I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development. But it's good.
I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.
League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.
Personally, I didn't mind the slowness of the Avenger's movie because I found the conversations between the characters to be great (especially Widow and Banner). and I actually cared about the characters because I already saw them. I also felt like the movie was purposely "leading" the viewer on before dropping the hammer down with the battle of New York. Unlike Justice League... the Avengers members did not fight together at all until the final fight. There were some individual fights (im/thor, thor/hulk, cap/loki) but that saved the true Avengers coming together until the end. The MCU slow burned your ass for 5 movies and then did it in the movie to "bring them together." And it worked, IMO of course.
The Avengers also was able to give you those moments i the movie that were memorable, something JL failed at IMO. stuff like Thor calling his hammer to fight hulk and then smahign him with it, Hulk smashing loki, hulk smashing the serperts, the various team ups in the final battle that looked like a comic book coming to life.
And all the SFX were top notch (movie still looks good).
I feel the DCEU blew there load on BvS. They should have NEVER teamed those three up if there long term plan was Justice League. What was really special about JL? We already saw their big three team up to fight an unstoppable CGI monster in BvS. So you don't get that "moment" akin to the Avengers where all the big guns are together that you waited years for.
They simply should have had Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Batman (in his prime), and then Aquaman movies followed by JL. This version of Flash doesn't really need a solo movie becaue he's so green and Cyborg just exists for exposition dumps and to get torn apart so they can be the introduced in the actual JL movie. That would have made JL seem like an event instead of just another DCEU movie.
WB tried to rush their whole universe and failed because of it. They were too reactionary to everything with no long term plan. They keep tryng to compete with the MCU instead of just focusing on themselves. Look how many times they have changed movie announcements the last few years. They bounce back and forth between being "director controlled" and then they snatch a movie up and edit it to sh*t when its done.
Forbes has done some number crunching, and they reckon that between the $300 million in production costs and a further $150 million spent on marketing, Zack Snyder's film would need to earn between $700 million and $750 million worldwide just to turn a profit. As of now, final projections come in at around $635 million, which obviously does not bode well.
There's always a chance the numbers are off, but even if Justice League manages to break even or make some money for the studio, one has to assume that WB brass are currently planning some big changes moving forward.
Not all the blame can be laid at Rotten Tomatoes feet for sure, but the critical piling on certainly didn't help. The backlash from BVS perhaps affected all the succeeding films, but still Squad and Wonder Woman were successes.
I'll still how the legs are and if they can at least prevent the film from becoming a bomb. But I do think WB is going to be changing some things.
The idea that they had to hide the Superman reveal bit them in the butt.
The movie becomes 100 percent funner when Supes shows up but none of that got in the commercials.
Thor Ragnerok may have blown the Hulk reveal and the best gag in the movie( "friends from work") with it but it got asses in seats.
They could have puts Supes "is this guy bothering you" line or the bit with him and Flash saving civvies (" Slowpoke" had my audience dying).
They outsmarted themselves bigtime I think.
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