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Title: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on July 23, 2017, 08:58:32 am
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6yBZKj-eo#)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6yBZKj-eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6yBZKj-eo)



somethign about this movie just isn't clicking with me. No idea why. Aquabro looks dope

Cyborg looks like poo
Title: Re: Justice League (Trailer 3)
Post by: Mastrmynd on July 23, 2017, 10:50:59 am
it's diecast metal shiny. Is that it?
Title: Re: Justice League (Trailer 3)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 23, 2017, 01:33:17 pm
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys6C5kTrlcQ#)

Really liking the trailer. I didn't watch all of this panel but I did like that the group seems to all like each other and are having fun. I hope that translates onto the big screen.
Title: Re: Justice League (Trailer 3)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 16, 2017, 10:04:04 am
(https://i.imgur.com/gMvXv5q.jpg)


oh lord, here we go again
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 16, 2017, 08:11:34 pm
I saw it tonight. I liked it. It's a definite step in the right direction though the film did have kinks. If you watch, stick around until the end. There are two post movie credits.

How I rank the DCEU films:
1. Wonder Woman
2. Justice League
3. Batman v. Superman
4. Suicide Squad
5. Man of Steel

Ironically I think General Zod was the best villain so far in the DCEU films, followed by Ares, and then Steppenwolf.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: JLI Jesse on November 17, 2017, 06:36:04 pm
This is just another reason why I ignore critics. It may not have been Citizen Kane, but I really enjoyed it and the after credit scene made me excited for a sequel.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 17, 2017, 06:55:40 pm
^
Absolutely. I saw it for the second time tonight. I liked it even better the second time. I think the critics have it in for DC movies for some reason. Wonder Woman is the sole exception and I think that's in part because of its feminist-leanings. The critics are in support of its supposed politics so they are big upping it majorly. Justice League is a fun film, the most fun of any of the DCEU films thus far. And it covers a lot of territory in a shortened time. I wish it had actually had another 30 minutes to really get more action scenes and character interaction. I thought the League members had good chemistry.

Whatever, and I mean whatever, Marvel puts out is automatically ranked high, but DC is basically ranked low. And they are still dogging Suicide Squad perhaps because the fans defied the critics and latched onto that film. Generally Marvel puts out good work, but also its formulaic and some of it is overrated but is buoyed by the Marvel brand. Here's particularly looking at Dr. Strange. Strange had a good cast (which most comic book films have these days) and great visuals, but the story was a slog, a been there, done that origin and another lackluster villain. At least the critics are more fair when it comes to Marvel's television shows.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 18, 2017, 04:44:56 am
Justice League is the only big 2 comic book movie that didnt rate well. Lego batman, logan, gog2, ww, spiderman, and thor killed it.

Critics dont like Snyder, has nothing to do with DC

The 2hr length was mandated by WB to maximize profits... which is the true probkem with DCEU... tge execs wont back off
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 18, 2017, 05:21:41 pm
^
Yeah, in a way it's cool that the suits are listening to fans and to critics (which can be good and bad depending on the motives behind the criticism, but I digress), but I think WB/DC has a tendency to overreact to things.

It's like in the 90s, WB wanted to make the Batman films more family friendly after the kinky and creepy Batman Returns and we ended up eventually with Batman and Robin. That was such a disaster that it freed up Christopher Nolan at least, but then that convinced WB to make Superman like Batman since the Nolan films did so well with critics and fans. I was looking at the box office and Superman Returns actually made more than Batman Begins, which I was surprised about, but that mopey film didn't leave a lot of people wanting more. Funny though, WB didn't pay attention to what happened to Superman Returns and doubled down on the dreariness.

I think Zack Snyder is a great visual director, but not a great storyteller. His Watchmen was a great-looking film, a pretty good adaptation, and even improved on the original ending of the story, however it didn't really hit at the box office so I don't get why WB entrusted Man of Steel to him and then Justice League. I think they felt behind the eightball and wanted to jumpstart their universe quickly so they grabbed him, and put him under Nolan's supervision to some extent, which was not the right choice in retrospect.

Nolan's films were the unqualified successes that they had recently so they misread the public mood and thought they should build their comics universe on a dark foundation. Big mistake.

Though I do remember feeling like Man of Steel in many ways was a rejoinder to Superman Returns. That WB looked at all the criticism that film got and then had a checklist to address it. While that made MOS a better film IMO they didn't get rid of the morose tone which was one of the biggest issues I had with Superman Returns.

But now, after the poor reaction to Batman v. Superman, the poor critical reaction to Suicide Squad,  the one unqualified success of Wonder Woman, and the continuing dominance of Marvel with it's brighter, more colorful (albeit cookie cutter approach), WB overreacted again to some extent. So the changes that the suits demanded in Justice League might be too jarring for some and don't flow as organically as they should from the previous films.  I can't fault them for at least wanting to give people what they think or what some people claim they want, but by now the brand might be so tarnished (definitely when it comes to critics) that it might be beyond saving. Which is unfortunate. I think Justice League was a good film and it set up a future I would like to see explored in future movies.

But with these poor box office predictions I don't think we are going to get another Justice League film anytime soon. And I could see WB parting ways with Affleck and Cavill. Aquaman might be too far along to scuttle but I am skeptical about them doing a Flash or Cyborg solo film now. They might do a Teen Titans movie and include Cyborg in that. Maybe Flash as well. I do think WB is going to continue with Wonder Woman and they might use her films to bring some of the League characters back. I also think that they will continue with Suicide Squad and Aquaman, Flash, or Cyborg could be put into that franchise. It's loosely tied to the other DCEU films anyway. I wonder what the status of the Rock as Black Adam and the Shazam film will be now.

I don't think they want to clean house completely, perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but I can see Affleck and Cavill, as the biggest faces here, falling on swords. If Justice League had been a major success I think all these rumors about Affleck leaving the role would have disappeared, but now, it might be a matter of time. Even if Justice League eventually turns a profit and I think it will, they will be hounded in the media about the underperforming box office and that will be the narrative, about how poorly critics and possibly moviegoers/fans are receiving the film. Like with Suicide Squad, they don't give the film it's due and how it was a hit with the fans. They always frame it as critics hating it first.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Tanksleyd on November 19, 2017, 12:14:18 pm
Just good enough
Not to be bad
Like a song
From '69
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 19, 2017, 12:36:06 pm
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie.  I enjoyed it.  I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development.  But it's good.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 19, 2017, 12:45:13 pm
It's entertaining.

Its not great. Technically (as in how the movie is made) it's pretty bad, almost like a Transformers movie. And good lord, the CGI was incredibly iffy... steppenwolfe looked like garbage (and might be the worst comic movie villain if Enchantress didn't exist. He was worse than Malekith). Cyborg looked bad at times (and he should have looked like he did at the end for godsake)

I watched MoS, BvS, and WW this week in preparation and talk about a drastic tonal shift though. It was kind of jarring.

But at least it was fun. It is just a "standard" super hero flick... i think critics (and it looks like the general audience judging by the box office numbers) are just expecting more these days. The standard has been raised, especially this year when movie after movie has been great

I have a ton to talk about though if I get time this evening (gotta watch punisher)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 19, 2017, 03:38:56 pm
I don't disagree with a lot of what you say here, but the critics are full of crap. They take pretty much whatever Marvel gives them and they don't complain much. Snyder did try to do something different with Man of Steel and BVS. Now I'm not co-signing what he did, but it wasn't the standard kind of superhero film. Even in the opening scenes of Justice League where you see the alt-right guy attacking the Muslim shop owners or the homeless man with the thousand yard stare these images had more weight and poignancy to them than just about any other scene in an MCU movie.

But the critics have been out for DC for whatever reason. The Justice League is not a masterpiece by any stretch. It is an entertaining, enjoyable movie that's stripped down to highlight the League members. I think DC was responding to criticism. BVS had a bloated runtime, okay cut the length of JL.
Spoiler (click to reveal)
Superman and Batman
are too grim, well, lighten them up. Wonder Woman is our ace in the hole, let's beef up her role in reshoots. The DCEU is lacking humor, well, let's add some humor with Flash. So they decided to make a crowd pleasing film like the critics asked for and still got slammed by the critics. I don't think the audience is really expecting more until they get it, with something fresh like Deadpool, Iron Man, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy 1, or Wonder Woman. But MCU's success is built on a formula that has provided enough entertaining movies consistently that I think a lot of this is about branding. The audience is primed now to accept and embrace Marvel's films. With DC that brand has not been established consistently and so people are more reluctant, and perhaps more prone to listen to the critics. Marvel generally doesn't have that problem since the critics have generally liked every Marvel film. The only real criticism Marvel gets is with their television shows, and that's mainly Iron Fist and Inhumans.

In the early promotions for this film I thought Cyborg's armor looked pretty bad. In the film itself it didn't bother me that much, only a few times. And I did like the upgrade at the end. Don't see why they didn't have him looking that way throughout, though I guess the physical change was supposed to be an example of him accepting his cybernetic life now.  I can't rock with you on the Transformers comparison. Those films are uniformly terrible though they have a spectacle and grandeur that few films can match, including Justice League. With a good script and tight supervision I wonder what Michael Bay could do with a DC film, a big epic kind of film like a Crisis of Infinite Earths?
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 19, 2017, 03:44:05 pm
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie.  I enjoyed it.  I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development.  But it's good.

I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.

League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 19, 2017, 04:01:28 pm
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie.  I enjoyed it.  I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development.  But it's good.

I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.

League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.

I think the Avengers had the advantage of being first.  If this movie was come first, it might have gotten some of the acclaim that the Avengers got.

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 19, 2017, 04:58:12 pm
^
Definitely the Avengers got the advantage of being first. If Justice League had come out as it was in say 2000 or 2006, without any changes. Even 2010, yeah, I think it would be viewed differently. Perhaps not universally loved but not so criticized either.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 20, 2017, 04:38:07 am
It made less than IM1 did though (not even counting in the 10 year inflation). An IM1 pre MCU hype (since it was the first), staring a out of rehab RDJ with a B list character.

How does that even happen?
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 20, 2017, 05:04:33 am
Ok, now that got my computer... talking jut about the movie itself and ignoring the other DCEU stuff and MCU (which I will get to next lol)

Most of my audience seem to enjoy it. Which is stunning it is doing so poorly at the box office. Of course, I was in the 2D, smallest theater showing so it had limited number of seats but they were filled. Everyone seemed to REALLY love the Flash and the return of Superman hit home for them. And the post credit scenes were REALLY popular, but that may have just been some very loud comic fanboys though.

I found the pre-superman part of the movie to be very... lacking. I don't know why we needed "Wonder Woman stops terrorist" thing. Still not sure why we do lol. I was really excited about Aquaman (my DC fave) and possibly going to Atlantis but the underwater fight was meh as sh*t and it has me worried about that movie now. Especially the whole "we can't talk unless in bubble" thing. It was just... murky. Hard to see what was happening. Also seemed very weird that super important motherbox was guarded by... 3? soldiers and then randomly Mera.

They just seemed to take too long going through the "roll call" fo the JL members. Avengers did it to but did it in a much more interesting way because they didn't have to introduce them... they were adding to their story. JL just went "This is Flash. Here is something personal. Here is a chance to use his powers. You'll like Flash." And then did the same thing for Aquaman and Cyborg.

I found WW to be... just there. She was there to fight Steppenwolfe and thats it. Gal's acting was... not strong IMO. the Wonder Woman's movie decision to put the very charismatic Chris Pine next to year and let her bounce off of him seemed to really help hide the fact Gal' isnt the strongest actress in the world.

Once the team finally got together, the movie got a lot more interesting. The conversation to bring Supes back may have been the highlight of the movie honestly. And despite Canvil's distractingly bad upper lip CGI... Superman was the best part of the film. Of course, im just about sick of "Always in the right spot because the plot demands it!" Lois Lane but yeah... Supes felt lie Supes for the first time... and also highlighted the fact that the Justice League kinda sucks lol. Supes one shot the whole team and then when he returned, treated Steppenwolfe like a red headed step child. HE makes the team obsolete by himself. Fast as the Flash, stronger than Diana, can fly, heat vision, ice breath (yes!), doesn't need weapons, invulnerable... holy moly lol

I think Flash and Cyborg should have a Titan's movie. This version of Flash can't hold his own movie... no way. That's impossible. But Cyborg + Flash + 2-3 more younger heroes (nightwing since he has a movie coming) could work. Maybe.

Steppenwolf was so bad
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 20, 2017, 05:12:52 am
I did find it surprising that they made WW weaker than Superman. In comics, they push their equal strength levels.  But I loved the Superman's first use of super speed against the Flash. 
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 20, 2017, 06:14:22 am
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie.  I enjoyed it.  I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development.  But it's good.

I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.

League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.

Personally, I didn't mind the slowness of the Avenger's movie because I found the conversations between the characters to be great (especially Widow and Banner). and I actually cared about the characters because I already saw them. I also felt like the movie was purposely "leading" the viewer on before dropping the hammer down with the battle of New York. Unlike Justice League... the Avengers members did not fight together at all until the final fight. There were some individual fights (im/thor, thor/hulk, cap/loki) but that saved the true Avengers coming together until the end. The MCU slow burned your ass for 5 movies and then did it in the movie to "bring them together." And it worked, IMO of course.

The Avengers also was able to give you those moments i the movie that were memorable, something JL failed at IMO. stuff like Thor calling his hammer to fight hulk and then smahign him with it, Hulk smashing loki, hulk smashing the serperts, the various team ups in the final battle that looked like a comic book coming to life.

And all the SFX were top notch (movie still looks good).

I feel the DCEU blew there load on BvS. They should have NEVER teamed those three up if there long term plan was Justice League. What was really special about JL? We already saw their big three team up to fight an unstoppable CGI monster in BvS. So you don't get that "moment" akin to the Avengers where all the big guns are together that you waited years for.

They simply should have had Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Batman (in his prime), and then Aquaman movies followed by JL. This version of Flash doesn't really need a solo movie becaue he's so green and Cyborg just exists for exposition dumps and to get torn apart so they can be the introduced in the actual JL movie. That would have made JL seem like an event instead of just another DCEU movie.

WB tried to rush their whole universe and failed because of it. They were too reactionary to everything with no long term plan. They keep tryng to compete with the MCU instead of just focusing on themselves. Look how many times they have changed movie announcements the last few years. They bounce back and forth between being "director controlled" and then they snatch a movie up and edit it to sh*t when its done.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 20, 2017, 06:15:57 am
I did find it surprising that they made WW weaker than Superman. In comics, they push their equal strength levels.  But I loved the Superman's first use of super speed against the Flash.

It was jarring for me. Like they aren't even close. Aquaman and WW seemed closer in power levels than Supes and WW.

You *could* say WW was holding back because she didn't want to hurt Kal but yeesh... strength and speed wise they aren't even close.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 20, 2017, 02:25:50 pm
I did find it surprising that they made WW weaker than Superman. In comics, they push their equal strength levels.  But I loved the Superman's first use of super speed against the Flash.

I've never seen WW having equal strength to Superman. She comes close. She can definitely hurt him. And the magic thing is a wild card I don't think the books go into that much whenever they face off, and that would give her the definite advantage. That being said, if she can beat the crap out of Superman then what's the point of having Superman? They don't need him.

And there's an issue too with team movies like team books in terms of making various characters weaker on some level to justify the team up whereas they might be able to face even greater threats in their own solo books or movies.

I do think Justice League made Wonder Woman weaker, but it also made Batman weaker, and I was surprised by that. The comics usually have him super prepared and super ready to handle anything. Heck, he created a gun that could kill Darkseid in Final Crisis, but here, he was struggling against Parademons and had no plan beyond Lois Lane to neutralize Superman. I still don't get why the film never had WW taking off her bracelets and fully powering up though.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 20, 2017, 04:12:30 pm
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies.  Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: TripleX on November 20, 2017, 09:30:38 pm
It made less than IM1 did though (not even counting in the 10 year inflation). An IM1 pre MCU hype (since it was the first), staring a out of rehab RDJ with a B list character.

How does that even happen?

Comicbook movie burnout, the general public haven't been waiting all their lives to Justice League like some of us have. For us it was treat, for them it was more of the same cgi slug fests they get in any film with superheroes. Spiderman: Homecoming was the best Spiderman film I've ever seen, but because it came after so many others it underperformed.  That's the deal with Justice League.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 21, 2017, 04:37:35 am
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies.  Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.

I thought that was stated in Wonder Woman's film? I must be misremembering.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 21, 2017, 04:53:59 am
It made less than IM1 did though (not even counting in the 10 year inflation). An IM1 pre MCU hype (since it was the first), staring a out of rehab RDJ with a B list character.

How does that even happen?
Spiderman: Homecoming was the best Spiderman film I've ever seen, but because it came after so many others it underperformed. 

it didn't underperform actually. It just opened really really late in China and had massive legs... so click bait sights jumped on the "underperform" narrative before the movie could finish its run.

It made 333 million domestically. Neither of the garfiled movies got close to 300 mil.

WW, it made 880, which is behind only Spider-Man 3.

It is the 5th highest MCU movie every WW, behind only Avengers, AoU, IM3, and CW.

It is the highest reboot of all time.

It outsold both WW and GoG2 world wide

and only cost 170 million to make.

This movie was 100% a hit
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 21, 2017, 04:54:47 am
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies.  Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.

I thought that was stated in Wonder Woman's film? I must be misremembering.

I just watched it a couple days ago, they never mentioned it. They just put the bracelets on her with no explanation.

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 21, 2017, 07:12:17 am
Taking the bracelets off to bring WW up to full power hadn't been stated as a thing in the movies.  Actually, they probably don't or she's more powerful as Diana who doesn't wear them.

I thought that was stated in Wonder Woman's film? I must be misremembering.

I just watched it a couple days ago, they never mentioned it. They just put the bracelets on her with no explanation.

Thanks. My memory is just not so good.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 21, 2017, 07:27:32 am
Justice League.... Don't know why everyone is knocking this movie.  I enjoyed it.  I mean it's not orginal---a lot is the first Avengers movie with a bigger special effects budget and maybe little less character development.  But it's good.

I agree mostly. It's pretty similar in plot to the Avengers. But I think it was better paced than the Avengers which was really slow in the beginning as it reintroduced characters it likely didn't need to. League did that but also had to establish Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash. It had a tougher job. I was reading a review that compared Avengers to a season finale whereas League was like a season premiere. Avengers benefited from a well-executed plan that stoked public excitement and it provided a big payoff. Justice League was coming in wobbly, with fans uncertain what they were getting, another gem like Wonder Woman or another turd (according to the critics and not me) like BVS. So the anticipation was more like dread than pure happiness with Justice League IMO.

League might have had a bigger FX budget but I'm not sure it looked that way compared to Avengers. The Battle of New York was great. I do think more could've been done in the climatic bout in League.

Personally, I didn't mind the slowness of the Avenger's movie because I found the conversations between the characters to be great (especially Widow and Banner). and I actually cared about the characters because I already saw them. I also felt like the movie was purposely "leading" the viewer on before dropping the hammer down with the battle of New York. Unlike Justice League... the Avengers members did not fight together at all until the final fight. There were some individual fights (im/thor, thor/hulk, cap/loki) but that saved the true Avengers coming together until the end. The MCU slow burned your ass for 5 movies and then did it in the movie to "bring them together." And it worked, IMO of course.

The Avengers also was able to give you those moments i the movie that were memorable, something JL failed at IMO. stuff like Thor calling his hammer to fight hulk and then smahign him with it, Hulk smashing loki, hulk smashing the serperts, the various team ups in the final battle that looked like a comic book coming to life.

And all the SFX were top notch (movie still looks good).

I feel the DCEU blew there load on BvS. They should have NEVER teamed those three up if there long term plan was Justice League. What was really special about JL? We already saw their big three team up to fight an unstoppable CGI monster in BvS. So you don't get that "moment" akin to the Avengers where all the big guns are together that you waited years for.

They simply should have had Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Batman (in his prime), and then Aquaman movies followed by JL. This version of Flash doesn't really need a solo movie becaue he's so green and Cyborg just exists for exposition dumps and to get torn apart so they can be the introduced in the actual JL movie. That would have made JL seem like an event instead of just another DCEU movie.

WB tried to rush their whole universe and failed because of it. They were too reactionary to everything with no long term plan. They keep tryng to compete with the MCU instead of just focusing on themselves. Look how many times they have changed movie announcements the last few years. They bounce back and forth between being "director controlled" and then they snatch a movie up and edit it to sh*t when its done.


Very good point from Triple X about the causal filmgoer perspective. I'm too inside it to have considered that. But yeah, on the outside these comic book movies might all just look similar. And in many respects they are. So one might not be any different than the other, except if one is getting universal praise like Ragnarok and the other is getting slammed by the critics like Justice League, it makes sense if people who aren't invested in these things like hardcore fans, will back off or go with the critical consensus.

I thought the character moments in Justice League worked for the most part. I wish there had been more of them. With Avengers I felt the beginning was too slow because we had seen some of these characters introduced-in detail in other films. And there's a tendency to indulgence and irreverence with the Marvel films, a smugness, that I can't say started with Avengers but I do think has infected the subsequent Marvel films. And the audience for the most part is okay with it because they've earned the audience trust. WB/DC has not done that yet so they might get knocked for it. And Marvel has also gotten the low-hanging fruit with its humor and character beats so DC doing something similar is going to be seen as copying. Justice League had a lot more to do with introducing half of their team and Avengers really just needed to flesh out Hawkeye.

I think the plan was for Justice League to be a two part epic. Snyder was building up something much bigger that would justify forming the League more than what we saw in the finished film.  It looked to me that BVS was setting up either a full on invasion by Darkseid or an Injustice scenario with an evil Superman. However due to the poor reception of BVS, WB just started changing plans. So Justice League serves as either a one and done or they can revisit Darkseid later. I think that's why they mentioned him in the film, but unfortunately didn't do additional set up.

I get why WB wants to move away from Darkseid because of the similarities with Thanos. And I guess they weren't thinking to beat Infinity War to the punch and put Darkseid in this film, getting ahead of Thanos in Infinity War next year. Perhaps they were afraid of the comparisons. So with this Justice League film it serves to make true Lex's warning at the end of BVS but still leave the door open to bring in Darkseid down the road.

I also get why WB moved forward with the Justice League instead of doing individual origin movies for Cyborg, Aquaman, and Flash first. I'll throw  Batman in there too because perhaps this take on the character needed more defining. Anyway, I think they were behind the 8-ball and didn't count on how long the comic book movie boom might last. I also suspect they were afraid that if they kept rolling out solo movies that they would get diminishing returns or half-victories like Suicide Squad and it would tarnish the brand. So why not just give people want they wanted anyway and that's a team-up movie.

In cartoons Cyborg has been around since the 80s and is prominent in the Teen Titans cartoon from a decade ago and the current Teen Titans Go. Flash has had two television series and Aquaman at least is something of a popular punchline so all of these characters had some name recognition. Granted the audience hadn't seen these versions of the characters, but I would argue that somewhere along the way they had encountered a version of Flash and Aquaman at least, or knew their names and knew that they were superheroes.

So I can see that supporting the WB suits decision to just leap frog over solo individual films to do a big film and then with the hoped for success of Justice League it would get fans excited for the individual films. And it would be a different strategy than Marvel, banking on the (once held) bigger name recognition advantage DC had. Unfortunately it didn't work. That being said, we'll see if the movie has any legs, breaks even, and maybe even eeks out a tiny profit. I think all those things are possible. Despite its flaws, Justice League is popcorn entertainment that isn't a big offender when it comes to foul language and might even be less an offender when it comes to graphic violence compared to Ragnarok.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 21, 2017, 07:52:24 am
Justice League opened at 94 million

Less than every single DCEU movie by far

MoS- 116
BvS- 166
SS- 133
WW- 103
JL- 94

WB just f*cked up hard. this can't be blamed on RT... ain't like BvS or SS were rated better. China didn't save it either.

Quote
Forbes has done some number crunching, and they reckon that between the $300 million in production costs and a further $150 million spent on marketing, Zack Snyder's film would need to earn between $700 million and $750 million worldwide just to turn a profit. As of now, final projections come in at around $635 million, which obviously does not bode well.

There's always a chance the numbers are off, but even if Justice League manages to break even or make some money for the studio, one has to assume that WB brass are currently planning some big changes moving forward.



CoCo comes out soon and then looms Star Wars a couple weeks after that.

There isn't time for Legs... they f*cked up HARD.

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 21, 2017, 09:18:26 am
Not all the blame can be laid at Rotten Tomatoes feet for sure, but the critical piling on certainly didn't help. The backlash from BVS perhaps affected all the succeeding films, but still Squad and Wonder Woman were successes.

I'll still how the legs are and if they can at least prevent the film from becoming a bomb. But I do think WB is going to be changing some things.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 21, 2017, 09:24:41 am
Not all the blame can be laid at Rotten Tomatoes feet for sure, but the critical piling on certainly didn't help. The backlash from BVS perhaps affected all the succeeding films, but still Squad and Wonder Woman were successes.

I'll still how the legs are and if they can at least prevent the film from becoming a bomb. But I do think WB is going to be changing some things.

Will WB realize it is them themselves that are causing  alot of the issues though?

Not many higher ups look in the mirror and go "ooops I f'd up"

Maybe Johns will be their Feige (I am not sure when he came into the process and when "his" first movie is) but good lord, they need someone to control the whole thing with the execs backing off.

As MM pointed out in another thread... the JL should have likely went full "god mode" with the line up.... Supes, WW, Martian, GL (John), Flash, Aquaman, with Batman leading. The Avengers is where you see misfits and "humans" coming together... JL should have went larger than large. Screw humanizing them.

And they should have just used Darkseid.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 21, 2017, 09:35:37 am
I don't want to get it mistaken that WB is not to blame here. First off, I don't think the movie was bad, or the trainwreck people were saying it was. Plus, mass audiences suck up all kinds of garbage and also have long tolerances as well for it (it took five Transformers films for that star to finally start setting for example). But obviously Justice League is losing with critics and audiences. So WB does have to look in the mirror and own that and figure out a way to do better. But I don't know how much they can win back the public's trust with this current DCEU. A massive "rebirth" might do it, though retaining Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman.

As for Geoff Johns we don't know how much real power he is given. I mean Marvel Studios was created specifically to put out Marvel films and their track record of success keeps the Disney execs from interfering much, or too much, into what they're doing. If they start stumbling, Disney would probably step in.

With Johns and DC, they are coming late to the party and seem more like appendages to the larger WB movie behemoth. I don't know how much power they really have or if they are just glorified consultants. Though someone greenlighted Snyder and gave him a lot of leeway (though Nolan was involved as well at least with Man of Steel and he's walked away clean). It could just be the case that they bet on a bad horse with Snyder's vision, which is artistic and at times weighty, but doesn't translate well to mass audiences. His Watchmen film should've been an indication of that. While some comic book fans might want a deconstruction of heroes, the mass audience likely just wants updated versions of the heroes they are familiar with. And once the trust is established then maybe tweak it with some deconstruction like with Logan or as a kind of side movie like Deadpool that was allowed to take more risk. One of the downsides with having Johns might also have been basing the DCEU a good deal on the New 52 incarnations of the characters. I liked the New 52, but a lot of people didnt, so attempting that kind of synergy with a discredited take on the characters likely didn't endear the DCEU to a lot of comic book readers/fans as well.

Man of Steel and BVS perhaps should've been more traditional whereas you take the risk with a Suicide Squad. Wonder Woman, with a pretty traditional take on the character, resonated with audiences and critics. BVS taking cues from two alternate histories/worlds stories was already going to be niche.

As for 'godding up' I have no problem with that either. I think the Justice League has those kinds of characters and stories that are bigger than life and fit better than the Avengers. I would've dug a take on Injustice (which I'm currently reading), the Darkseid War, or one of the Crisis events. Bryan Hitch has also written some epic scope comics. I read the JL comic with Rao, the Kryptonian god. That would've been pretty sweet to see adapted.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on November 21, 2017, 10:48:37 am
i think comic nerds were like "OMG ITS JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!" while hte general audience just thought "superhero movie." It wasn't special to them because none of the pervious movies made it feel special.

And yeah.. it wasn't even a horrible movie. Its much better than SS or BvS. It is definitely fun.

It is only really a failure because WB put so much money into it (300 mil production. idk where that money went) like it was a big event when it was just another cape movie.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 22, 2017, 12:39:51 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/11/20/why-justice-league-failed-and-where-dc-goes-from-here/?utm_term=.8a43018c8045 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/11/20/why-justice-league-failed-and-where-dc-goes-from-here/?utm_term=.8a43018c8045)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/11/22/box-office-as-justice-league-crosses-325m-should-dc-films-be-saved/#3e5286f5e4fe (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/11/22/box-office-as-justice-league-crosses-325m-should-dc-films-be-saved/#3e5286f5e4fe)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/11/22/which-dc-heroes-will-survive-the-failure-of-justice-league/#3b208c08b892 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/11/22/which-dc-heroes-will-survive-the-failure-of-justice-league/#3b208c08b892)

http://www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/dc-films-batman-ben-affleck/amp/ (http://www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/dc-films-batman-ben-affleck/amp/)

http://screenrant.com/superman-death-return-justice-league-dceu-mistake/amp/ (http://screenrant.com/superman-death-return-justice-league-dceu-mistake/amp/)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-an-in-depth-look-at-whether-joss-whedon-rescued-or-ruined-the-movie-a155675 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-an-in-depth-look-at-whether-joss-whedon-rescued-or-ruined-the-movie-a155675)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/spoilers-15-pressing-questions-that-need-answering-for-the-future-of-the-dc-film-universe-a155722 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/spoilers-15-pressing-questions-that-need-answering-for-the-future-of-the-dc-film-universe-a155722)

http://screenrant.com/justice-league-too-safe-batman-v-superman/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-too-safe-batman-v-superman/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Vic Vega on November 23, 2017, 08:50:15 am
The idea that they had to hide the Superman reveal bit them in the butt.

The movie becomes 100 percent funner when Supes shows up but none of that got in the commercials.

Thor Ragnerok may have blown the Hulk reveal and the best gag in the movie( "friends from work") with it but it got asses in seats.

They could have puts Supes "is this guy bothering you" line or  the bit with him and Flash saving civvies (" Slowpoke" had my audience dying).

They outsmarted themselves bigtime I think.

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 26, 2017, 12:43:46 pm
http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-identity-green-lantern/amp/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-identity-green-lantern/amp/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Kimoyo on November 26, 2017, 05:55:58 pm
Saw the movie and enjoyed it.  It is neck and neck with Wonder Woman for me.  Agree with Vic's assessment above, though I can see where the suspense surrounding whether or not Supes would be ressurected would be seen as a draw!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on November 30, 2017, 07:40:44 pm
http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-crisis-on-earth-x-got-right-that-justice-league-di-1820878679 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-crisis-on-earth-x-got-right-that-justice-league-di-1820878679)

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1731370/all-the-major-dc-characters-we-spotted-in-justice-leagues-epic-flashback (http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1731370/all-the-major-dc-characters-we-spotted-in-justice-leagues-epic-flashback)

http://www.thewrap.com/lets-try-to-piece-together-what-zack-snyders-version-of-justice-league-was-like/ (http://www.thewrap.com/lets-try-to-piece-together-what-zack-snyders-version-of-justice-league-was-like/)

http://www.thewrap.com/scenes-that-were-in-the-justice-league-trailers-but-not-the-movie-itself/ (http://www.thewrap.com/scenes-that-were-in-the-justice-league-trailers-but-not-the-movie-itself/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on December 01, 2017, 04:33:38 am
The idea that they had to hide the Superman reveal bit them in the butt.

The movie becomes 100 percent funner when Supes shows up but none of that got in the commercials.

Thor Ragnerok may have blown the Hulk reveal and the best gag in the movie( "friends from work") with it but it got asses in seats.

They could have puts Supes "is this guy bothering you" line or  the bit with him and Flash saving civvies (" Slowpoke" had my audience dying).

They outsmarted themselves bigtime I think.

he was 100% the best part of the movie.

There is a really really really fun/well put together movie somewhere in there. this isn't a BvS situation where it was unsavable and a disaster all around.

But WB exec incompetence + two directors + late reshoots... it shows in the final product.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on December 01, 2017, 01:27:15 pm
Nvm

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on December 05, 2017, 02:34:25 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/the-script-for-will-beall-and-ben-afflecks-justice-league-movie-has-surfaced-and-its-downright-epic-a156040 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/the-script-for-will-beall-and-ben-afflecks-justice-league-movie-has-surfaced-and-its-downright-epic-a156040)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on December 05, 2017, 04:39:56 am
no way that works as a one off movie.

maybe a part 1 and 2... maybe.


Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on December 10, 2017, 05:31:00 am
http://www.cbr.com/dceu-more-successful-than-mcu/ (http://www.cbr.com/dceu-more-successful-than-mcu/)

http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-ripped-off-avengers/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-ripped-off-avengers/)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/steppenwolf-actor-ciaran-hinds-wasnt-happy-with-justice-leagues-theatrical-cut-wants-zack-snyders-version-a156232 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/steppenwolf-actor-ciaran-hinds-wasnt-happy-with-justice-leagues-theatrical-cut-wants-zack-snyders-version-a156232)

http://www.cbr.com/legends-of-tomorrow-better-than-justice-league/ (http://www.cbr.com/legends-of-tomorrow-better-than-justice-league/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on December 10, 2017, 05:44:13 am
That firstvsrticle was terrible

When did cbr get so click baity?
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on December 12, 2017, 04:07:40 pm
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/12/justice-league-is-the-biggest-grossing-box-office-bomb-ever/#58a12ab67942 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/12/justice-league-is-the-biggest-grossing-box-office-bomb-ever/#58a12ab67942)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/11/justice-league-3-big-lessons-to-take-from-its-mediocre-box-office/#6e91f0b822a3 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/11/justice-league-3-big-lessons-to-take-from-its-mediocre-box-office/#6e91f0b822a3)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/10/box-office-justice-league-crosses-600-million-worldwide/#40c27bda335a (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/10/box-office-justice-league-crosses-600-million-worldwide/#40c27bda335a)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Hypestyle on December 17, 2017, 06:54:51 am
Just saw the film, I'd give it a B+, similar to the Suicide Squad film--

Again we saw a warped techno-organic headquarters with all sorts of drones serving the main bad guy in the parademons.
 
I don't see why the film got categorized as being a "disaster" in many critical reviews.

Everyone seemed to be just fine as far as actors, though I felt that Gal Gadot was the best, I really liked her intro sequence, showing her speed, strength, and blocking bullets!  I hope she gets to be the leader of the group in the next film. Why not?

Ray Fisher as Cyborg was better than I was anticipating. I wish we saw more of his background, though, something where he was in action and not just brooding in his house.  I like at the end where he was able to create his more "smoothed out" look.  This was the first time I've seen him depicted as flying, also.  Neat.

The Flash was the most fun character to watch and listen to-- clearly he's set up as the comic relief of the team.  I liked the exchange with Cyborg when they were digging up Superman's grave.  I also got the joke on how everybody disappears from in front of Commissioner Gordon except him.

The fight with the revived Superman was pretty decent, though the story kind of ignores it later on-- how does the public respond to Superman coming back from the dead, or the cop who was attacked and the damage done? This wasn't really spoken on.  I didn't know that the mother box would be used in the revival.  I halfway figured it would be a Lazarus Pit.

I liked the special effects, I really had no problem with them.

I liked the fight in Atlantis, I liked how that was handled-- especially Mera and her hydrokinesis.  They dodged the "talks to fish" angle, I guess that'll be in the solo film.  I'm looking forward to the Aquaman film. Jason Momoa is just fine in the role, seems like he's kind of "underwater Thor" but that's okay.

Ciaran Hinds as Steppenwolf was just fine, I guess-- kind of thankless, though.  But he was kind of hidden behind the makeup and CGI, so you never really get to know him as a villain other than he's clearly a bad guy. I don't recall any lengthy scenes with him on his own. Also there was no video conference with Darkseid? I thought that would take place.

I liked the fight scene with the Amazons-- that was pretty brutal, I wonder how they put all of that together with the horses falling and everything.  I thought they might help out at the end, though.

I liked at the end where old Wayne Manor is going to be converted into the Hall of Justice.

I hope for many more heroes to appear in future films--
I hope for folks like Green Lantern-- with that, I do hope John Stewart is there, but I won't be offended with Hal Jordan. I hope that Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz show up in the Green Lanterns movie.

I'd like Vixen to be on the team. Martian Manhunter would be nice. Firestorm would be awesome. Green Arrow would be a good pick. Plastic Man would be a really cool opportunity for a comedic actor.

It occurs to me that Steel (another tech-centric armored guy who flies) is kind of made redundant with the presence of Cyborg.  Well, I still have dim hopes that he'll show up somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on December 17, 2017, 07:13:49 am
^
Cool that you checked it out. Are you on to Star Wars next this weekend?

I agree with what you said about expanding the League, though unfortunately we might not ever see a sequel to this film, or one that has all of these characters. Like you I could see Wonder Woman as the leader of a future JL sequel. Gadot possesses strength and warmth and has been a more inspirational figure than Cavill's Superman. I liked how she interacted with most of the other League members. I think Snyder had wanted Cyborg to be the heart of the team, but in the film I thought it was Wonder Woman.

If they did do a JL sequel here's who I would want to see:
-GL: Either Jessica Cruz (with Gina Rodriguez, who is already a member of the WB family) or John Stewart.
-Hawkgirl (especially if there is John Stewart GL; let's bring back those fond memories of the JL cartoon)
-Green Arrow. I would like to see Matt Damon in the role. Him interacting with Batfleck would be fun.
-Vixen
-Black Canary (esp. if Green Arrow is involved)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on December 21, 2017, 04:30:32 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/justice-leagues-ben-affleck-still-wants-to-direct-a-batman-movie-may-be-evaluating-a-return-to-the-role-a156477 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/justice-leagues-ben-affleck-still-wants-to-direct-a-batman-movie-may-be-evaluating-a-return-to-the-role-a156477)

http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-sequel-development-script-cancelled-explained/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-sequel-development-script-cancelled-explained/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on January 02, 2018, 01:11:43 pm
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/new-justice-league-stills-and-concept-art-show-just-how-different-zack-snyders-movie-could-have-been-a156704 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/new-justice-league-stills-and-concept-art-show-just-how-different-zack-snyders-movie-could-have-been-a156704)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: MindofShadow on January 02, 2018, 01:12:47 pm
WB should have pushed the movie back.

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on January 05, 2018, 04:40:37 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/gal-gadot-shares-her-thoughts-on-the-critical-response-to-justice-league-and-wonder-womans-future-a156785 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/gal-gadot-shares-her-thoughts-on-the-critical-response-to-justice-league-and-wonder-womans-future-a156785)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on January 07, 2018, 05:07:04 am
http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-extended-cut-coming-2018/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-extended-cut-coming-2018/)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/you-wont-believe-how-many-protesters-gathered-outside-warner-bros-demanding-a-justice-league-directors-cut-a156827 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/you-wont-believe-how-many-protesters-gathered-outside-warner-bros-demanding-a-justice-league-directors-cut-a156827)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/10-executive-orders-walter-hamada-should-immediately-issue-to-fix-the-dc-films-universe-a156835 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/10-executive-orders-walter-hamada-should-immediately-issue-to-fix-the-dc-films-universe-a156835)

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on January 19, 2018, 04:58:21 am
http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-movie-blu-ray-details/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-movie-blu-ray-details/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 09, 2018, 03:47:03 pm
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-deleted-scene-finally-reveals-supermans-black-costume-a157765 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-deleted-scene-finally-reveals-supermans-black-costume-a157765)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 14, 2018, 05:48:44 am
http://www.cbr.com/justice-leagues-deleted-superman-scenes-explained/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-leagues-deleted-superman-scenes-explained/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 15, 2018, 08:11:39 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-leagues-mid-and-post-credits-scenes-are-now-available-to-view-online-a157899 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-leagues-mid-and-post-credits-scenes-are-now-available-to-view-online-a157899)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 20, 2018, 04:34:17 pm
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GABCneYEE84#)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 15, 2019, 04:00:38 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/justice-league-star-ben-affleck-explains-why-hes-no-longer-batman-i-couldnt-crack-it-a166484 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/justice-league-star-ben-affleck-explains-why-hes-no-longer-batman-i-couldnt-crack-it-a166484)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-afflecks-10-best-moments-as-the-dc-extended-universes-batmanand-5-of-his-worst-a166491 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-afflecks-10-best-moments-as-the-dc-extended-universes-batmanand-5-of-his-worst-a166491)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 19, 2019, 06:50:27 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-director-zack-snyder-thanks-ben-affleck-for-his-tenure-as-the-batman-a166553 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-director-zack-snyder-thanks-ben-affleck-for-his-tenure-as-the-batman-a166553)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 22, 2019, 10:17:10 am
http://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-dceu-would-look-like-today/ (http://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-dceu-would-look-like-today/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on February 28, 2019, 05:08:51 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/the_batman/the-batman-will-reportedly-feature-at-least-four-of-the-dark-knights-villains-a166811 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/the_batman/the-batman-will-reportedly-feature-at-least-four-of-the-dark-knights-villains-a166811)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/kevin-tsujihara-confirms-dc-movies-will-be-mostly-standalone-moving-forward-and-teases-plans-for-superman-a166810 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/kevin-tsujihara-confirms-dc-movies-will-be-mostly-standalone-moving-forward-and-teases-plans-for-superman-a166810)

Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on March 04, 2019, 06:12:38 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-gives-sadaffleck-a-whole-new-meaning-by-reflecting-on-telling-his-son-hes-no-longer-batman-a166900 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/ben-affleck-gives-sadaffleck-a-whole-new-meaning-by-reflecting-on-telling-his-son-hes-no-longer-batman-a166900)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-photographer-clay-enos-says-what-happened-to-the-movie-was-a-terrible-wrong-a166939 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-photographer-clay-enos-says-what-happened-to-the-movie-was-a-terrible-wrong-a166939)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on March 09, 2019, 04:30:56 pm
http://www.cbr.com/batman-superman-flash-justice-league-mortal-concept-art/ (http://www.cbr.com/batman-superman-flash-justice-league-mortal-concept-art/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on March 16, 2019, 04:57:52 am
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/flash-shocker-ezra-miller-writing-script-bid-star-1194937 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/flash-shocker-ezra-miller-writing-script-bid-star-1194937)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on May 02, 2019, 09:06:22 am
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-cyborg-victor-stone-football-scene/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-cyborg-victor-stone-football-scene/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on May 21, 2019, 05:26:59 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/justice-leagues-zack-snyder-on-introducing-wonder-woman-nearly-casting-zoe-saldana-as-lois-lane-a168469 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/justice-leagues-zack-snyder-on-introducing-wonder-woman-nearly-casting-zoe-saldana-as-lois-lane-a168469)

http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-cyborg-image/ (http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-cyborg-image/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on May 25, 2019, 02:28:43 pm
http://screenrant.com/justice-leagues-real-ares-actor-wasnt-credited-heres-happened/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-leagues-real-ares-actor-wasnt-credited-heres-happened/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on May 26, 2019, 04:32:12 am
http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/05/26/justice-league-actors-ezra-miller-ray-fishers-contracts-end-this-month/ (http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/05/26/justice-league-actors-ezra-miller-ray-fishers-contracts-end-this-month/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Hypestyle on May 26, 2019, 04:47:55 am
[url]http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/05/26/justice-league-actors-ezra-miller-ray-fishers-contracts-end-this-month/[/url] ([url]http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/05/26/justice-league-actors-ezra-miller-ray-fishers-contracts-end-this-month/[/url])


wow. hmm.  I wonder if they will be kept on for future projects.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on May 27, 2019, 06:03:15 am
I thought this was a cool fan-made trailer:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdYWyQUE9oE#)

Maybe if this had been the movie we got Justice League might have been better received. Not a fan of the Darkseid voice though. Reminds me of a poor imitation of Kevin Grevioux.
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on May 29, 2019, 05:13:29 am
http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-still-silas-stone-cyborg/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-still-silas-stone-cyborg/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 03, 2019, 04:06:45 am
http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-steppenwolf-batman-v-superman-justice-league/ (http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-steppenwolf-batman-v-superman-justice-league/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 12, 2019, 06:23:45 am
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-snyder-cut-complete-details/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-snyder-cut-complete-details/)

http://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-steppenwolf-bvs-design-change/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-steppenwolf-bvs-design-change/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 15, 2019, 01:30:47 pm
http://www.cbr.com/cyborg-ray-fisher-reveals-solo-movie/ (http://www.cbr.com/cyborg-ray-fisher-reveals-solo-movie/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 16, 2019, 02:34:20 pm
http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/06/16/justice-league-snyder-cut-zack-snyder-vero-cyborg-family-knightmare/ (http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/06/16/justice-league-snyder-cut-zack-snyder-vero-cyborg-family-knightmare/)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-director-zack-snyder-unveils-a-first-look-at-his-take-on-darkseid-a168972 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-director-zack-snyder-unveils-a-first-look-at-his-take-on-darkseid-a168972)

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-new-details-have-emerged-about-the-movies-original-ending-and-it-included-time-travel-a168983 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-new-details-have-emerged-about-the-movies-original-ending-and-it-included-time-travel-a168983)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 17, 2019, 06:17:07 am
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-ending-flash-time-travel/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-ending-flash-time-travel/)

http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-darkseid-role-history-lesson/ (http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-darkseid-role-history-lesson/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 20, 2019, 02:53:20 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-darkseid-actor-ray-porter-teases-the-characters-voice-in-video-supporting-snyder-cut-a169043 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-darkseid-actor-ray-porter-teases-the-characters-voice-in-video-supporting-snyder-cut-a169043)

http://screenrant.com/justice-league-cyborg-role-zack-snyder-cut-explained/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-cyborg-role-zack-snyder-cut-explained/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on June 23, 2019, 04:15:40 am
http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/06/23/zack-snyder-reveals-desaad-role-justice-league-snyder-cut/ (http://comicbook.com/dc/2019/06/23/zack-snyder-reveals-desaad-role-justice-league-snyder-cut/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 03, 2019, 12:56:04 pm
http://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-clearest-look-darkseid/ (http://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-clearest-look-darkseid/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 07, 2019, 11:47:05 am
http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cyborg-mother-grave/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cyborg-mother-grave/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 09, 2019, 04:12:29 pm
http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-mother-box-limitation/ (http://www.cbr.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-mother-box-limitation/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 12, 2019, 04:16:55 pm
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-questions-queries-sequel-could-answer/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-questions-queries-sequel-could-answer/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 13, 2019, 04:47:46 am
http://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-cyborg-justice-league-arc/ (http://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-cyborg-justice-league-arc/)
Title: Re: Justice League Movie (spoilers)
Post by: Emperorjones on July 17, 2019, 01:29:26 am
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-releasethesnydercut-billboards-take-over-san-diego-ahead-of-comic-con-a169484 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/justice-league-releasethesnydercut-billboards-take-over-san-diego-ahead-of-comic-con-a169484)