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Comics => Black Panther => Topic started by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2007, 03:53:35 pm

Title: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2007, 03:53:35 pm
Hey, guys! I've wanted to do a thead here for a long time on Storm's stunts. Here are some scans of a few of her stunts:

Here we see the first time Storm battles a Sentinel:

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3098/uxm98p73xt.th.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm98p73xt.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2696/uxm98p84xx.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm98p84xx.jpg)


Storm defeating Polaris in a fight by overpowering her:

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7407/uxm97pg144de.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm97pg144de.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9905/uxm97pg158dn.th.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm97pg158dn.jpg)

Fighting N'Garai demons and destroying the cairn in Uncanny X-Men #96:

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8579/uxm96pg168vk.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm96pg168vk.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4618/uxm96pg178yf.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm96pg178yf.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7720/uxm96pg186se.th.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm96pg186se.jpg)


Flying on and defeating a sentinel with solar winds in Uncanny #99:

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3334/uxm99pg105cc.th.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg)

Interesting piece of dialogue about her being able to change the unstable molucules of her costume into any clothes she desires in Uncanny #101:

(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1420/uxm101063fp.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm101063fp.jpg)

Conversing with other life forms, plants, in Uncanny #109:

(http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2246/uncannyxmen109028gs.th.jpg) (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109028gs.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2500/uncannyxmen109036ro.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109036ro.jpg)

As a side note, she can also detect whether a plant is sick or healthy owing to her unity with life itself.

Flash flooding in an instant in Uncanny #95 and #116:
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7128/uxm95pg094xk.th.jpg) (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm95pg094xk.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9149/uncannyxmen116080of.th.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen116080of.jpg)

Cool feat about Storm's control over her body, in Uncanny #113 where the X-Men's (including Phoenix, Wolverine, Nightcrawler etc) powers are neutralized and are reduced to physical prowess of infants, Storm manages to get the lockpicks out of her tiara, and almost pick a  complicated lock she's never seen before (later in the issue she succeeds). Also, she notes that at 6 months she had the coordination of a young girl:
(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7756/uxm113pg056ac.th.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm113pg056ac.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5928/uxm113pg064ug.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm113pg064ug.jpg)

Storm can control artificial, controlled environments as well as natural ones. Here she uses hurricane force winds against Vindicator in Uncanny #120 in a clothes boutique. The shopkeeper thinks to herself "She turned a hurricane on-and-off in here, with just a thought."
  (http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8018/uncannyxmen120158zu.th.jpg) (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen120158zu.jpg)


Tracking Vindicator by using his energy train in Uncanny #121:
(http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9396/uxm121pg031nv.th.jpg) (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm121pg031nv.jpg)

Channeling a storm/blizzard(originally conjured by Shaman) that spans the American continent through her body to calm it, also from #121:
(http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/8240/uxm121pg145yd.th.jpg) (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm121pg145yd.jpg)

Here are some scans demonstrating Storm's control over water:
]Ocean Currents
(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6862/oceancurrents14cv.th.jpg) (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oceancurrents14cv.jpg)

(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4499/oceancurrent21af.th.jpg) (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oceancurrent21af.jpg)

(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2848/oceancurrent34zk.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oceancurrent34zk.jpg)

(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6200/oceancurrent41fy.th.jpg) (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oceancurrent41fy.jpg)

(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2462/oceancurrent54bm.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oceancurrent54bm.jpg)


Here, she manipulates the water droplets in the air to focus specific wavelengths of the sun (though she could have just gotten creative with her powers and pulled out those specific radiations by manipulating it directly. I mean, the lady can control plasma, the solar wind and stars, etc) The storm she dispereses with just her hand gesture spans an entire hemisphere. This was established earlier in the story.
(http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/342/raindropsa6wb.th.jpg) (http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=raindropsa6wb.jpg)

(http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/1091/raindropsb8ry.th.jpg) (http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=raindropsb8ry.jpg)


She seems to be able to also manipulate surface tension as she is surfing on the water without a board!:
(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7739/surfing6xw.th.jpg) (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfing6xw.jpg)
Check out my sig at the bottom of this post. She has even been made strong enough to be able to part seas!

Storm controls plasma here:
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2346/makingplasma6sh.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=makingplasma6sh.jpg)

She controls the solar wind here:

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3334/uxm99pg105cc.th.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg)

And here she goes with the power of millions of stars!
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6445/stormandthegalaticcore15zq.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandthegalaticcore15zq.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg)

This stunt left out in deep space unprotected as it destroyed her space-ship. She can only survive a few minutes out in space unaided as it was established between Uncanny 160 and 165 (one of those issues). This stunt came from Uncanny 165. In Uncanny 166, we see her floating aimlessly in deep space in the last moments of her life when the Acanti find her and heal her.

 http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen198302uncannyxmen16ck3.jpg

Here, a skrull uses a machine to mimick Storm's powers. He battles Gladiator and uses her powers creatively to hurt him:

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7484/skrullstorm2qk.th.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skrullstorm2qk.jpg)

In regards to how strong her winds are, here are some scans:

She lifts a skyscraper:

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3293/stormvshumantorch8yw.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch8yw.jpg)

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8993/stormvshumantorch27un.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch27un.jpg)

(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1663/stormvshumantorch33mk.th.jpg) (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch33mk.jpg)

(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3481/stormvshumantorch45fm.th.jpg) (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch45fm.jpg)


She smashes Magneto's force-field and it taxes his power extensively to anchor against her winds:

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1631/stormandmagneto1vm.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto1vm.jpg)

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9452/stormandmagneto26nv.th.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto26nv.jpg)

Now why she did not include hail with those winds, I do not know. Had she filled that vortex with hail, she could have finished him off. Also, While Magneto can absorb her bio-electrical blasts, I do not think he can take a blast directly from the sky. He has never taken that. Why didn't she use that as well? Anywhoo, this shows her winds! In the same issue, on the page before, he was easily able to hold out Cyclops, Colossus and Wolverine put together, but Storm by herself strained his power big time!

Just to show you how hard she can make ice, here she instantly imprisons Colossus in a block of ice so strong that it will take him time to break out:

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2235/frozencolossus8kl.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frozencolossus8kl.jpg)

Imagine hail stones of ice that hard propelled by those winds in that tornado she used against Magneto...he would have been toast!


Storm has also been able to fry from New York to New Orleans in a matter of minutes as well as from Austrailia to the Savage Land located in Antarctica in no time flat on her winds. She also battled the mutant Sienna Blaze. Circa Excalibur issue 72 or73, Sienna casually tossed a blast at Nightcralwer that had enough power to fry him to a crisp, sink Muir Island and half of Scotland Mainland. In the issue where she battled Storm, Sienna Blaze has enough power to split the planet like a ripe melon. Xavier telepathically forced Sienna to unleash all of the power she had to temporarily burn her out. He succeeded as she admitted this. Furthermore, she could barely speak or stand. Storm summoned an electrically-charged wind tunnel to redirect Sienna's full power when she did that blast  that burned out Sienna's powers. The issue stated that Scott just sat there and blasted in case any of Sienna's energy got away from Storm's vortex.


(http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/3973/sch2kd.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch2kd.jpg)

(http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/2614/sch27wp.th.jpg) (http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch27wp.jpg)

(http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/3284/sch32pg.th.jpg) (http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch32pg.jpg)

(http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/699/sch41qu.th.jpg) (http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch41qu.jpg)

(http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/2990/sch58zy.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch58zy.jpg)

(http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/7981/sch62tp.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch62tp.jpg)

Here is her pressure dome stunt that has come up often on this board:
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1374/pressuredome14ac.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome14ac.jpg)

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5674/pressuredome21bz.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome21bz.jpg)

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2064/pressuredome39dt.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome39dt.jpg)

Here is more pressure control:

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6775/airpressurea2cr.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airpressurea2cr.jpg)

(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9159/airpressureb4bl.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airpressureb4bl.jpg)

Here we see Storm manipulating air pressure to suffocate Magneto:

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7523/stormandmagneto32dx.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto32dx.jpg)

(http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/3832/stormandmagneto40hw.th.jpg) (http://img276.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto40hw.jpg)

Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto. The lightning should not have been able to hurt Storm. It is stated in other issues (and shown) that Storm cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of weather. Hence, she has channeled continent-sized blizzards through her body, is immune to air friction and can breathe at any speed, she always calls lightning down upon herself and has even focused the full electrical power of a storm through her body. Notice how in the scan it is stated that the only reason the bolt hurt her is because she was caught by surprise with it and her body did not compensate for the energy. She should have been able to feel that lightning bolt before it fell. She should have been able to sense Magneto's warping of em fields to attract that bolt from the sky (notice, the bolt hit her first and thus was "filtered" before it hit him. We have never seen Magneto take a bolt directly from the sky.) When injured, Storm's control over lightning, in particular, is weakened. Notice that despite this (and the bolt should not have hurt her to begin with), she was still able to challlenge MAgneto's control over the bolt. She has flown on a bolt of electricity, pulled it out of planetary EM fields (I don't have the scan for that issue, but trust me, she did it!), create and control em fields as she did here:(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8169/stormelectromagneticfield4tv.th.jpg) (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormelectromagneticfield4tv.jpg) as well as other things. Blitzkrieg, who's control over electricity far outstrips Magneto's, battled Storm and she beat him big time. Here, he cages Storm in electricity and look at what she does: (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8893/lightningcage4wn.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightningcage4wn.jpg)


Here, we see Storm controlling and redirecting Magneto's energies!:

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4208/redirectinglightning4sx.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redirectinglightning4sx.jpg)


For more on why it was Plot Induced Stupidity for that lightning bolt to hurt Storm in this Storm/Magneto sequence, see page 10, post 8 and addressed again on page 30, post 7 .














Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2007, 04:45:39 pm
Storm vs. telekinetics:

Here, Storm, while reduced to a child and her powers are severely weakened as a result of it battles Jean Grey in the Danger Room and wins!
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/214/stormandjean6kw.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandjean6kw.jpg)

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6274/stormandjean22th.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandjean22th.jpg)

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2466/stormandjean32kw.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandjean32kw.jpg)

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6874/stormandjean41yc.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandjean41yc.jpg)

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7095/stormandjean58fn.th.jpg) (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandjean58fn.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3429/stormandjean67gr.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandjean67gr.jpg)

Here, we see Storm battle Candra. She uses her control over elemental forces to create a protective barrier around herself that protects her from Candra's TK assaults while whipping up hurricane winds and lightning and flying at the same time:
(http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/299/stormvscandra6an.th.jpg) (http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvscandra6an.jpg)

(http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/2386/stormvscandra28tf.th.jpg) (http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvscandra28tf.jpg)

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7193/stormvscandra31lx.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvscandra31lx.jpg)

Ororo is known for being able to multi-task in fights and do multiple attacks. She can do many things at once!

Here is a post I did months ago on this board. I don't have all of the scans to back it up, but I have some of them. It is dealing with Storm vs. telepaths:
Okay, I am going to give a run down of Storm's history here and how her growth as a character was reflected in her growth in willpower as well.

When Storm first came into being, she was a very powerful as a mutant, but was easily bested by telepathy. While she could resist to a limited extent, a psi like the White Queen or Mesmero could easily best her. Hence in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Emma bested Storm, Wolverine and Colossus. After capturing the X-Men, she subjected Storm to mental torture and ripped through her mind. Ororo still tried to resist, but she was not strong enough.

Stay with me.

Upon the death of Jean Grey, Cyclops was changed. He left the team thus a new leader was required. Storm was appointed the role. This brought about major changes in the Storm character. She had misgivings at first, but she grew into the role and became much more confident and self-assured. Her willpower grew apace. One of the things CC did to establish this was her confrontation with the White Queen in Uncanny 151 and 152. I did not want to go into this earlier in this debate since it would have taken a lot of time to do so and I was feeling kind of lazy. lol. Anyway, there is more to this that my opponent on the interpretation of Uncanny 152 is seeing. Emma Frost's comment ot Ororo about her not being able to resist her TP came from the history of the two women during the Dark Phoenix Saga. Emma had ripped through Ororo's mind and tortured her. Emma was confident that she could kill Ororo in that fight. Storm banished or "killed" that storm in Uncanny 152. She stated how the storm will only be a memory by morning. Emma then stated that Ororo will be a memory as well and proceeded to mind attack her. In other words, Emma was going for the kill. She was not saying, "You will only be a memory tomorrow because I am going to give you a new personality and make you my servant." That interpretation is laughable at best. Keep in mind that the White Queen not only has a deep hatred for Ororo (which Storm definately returns in full if not greater measure), but she was very angry about losing the power to command the forces of nature. She prefered it greatly over mere telepathy. This was the first issue where we saw Storm best a psi. I believe that CC purposely used the White Queen to establish this since Emma is a much stronger character than Mesmero and was the first psi to truly best Ororo in the past. (Mesmero enslaved the entire team including a Phoenix-possessed Jean who was obviously a much stronger psi. Though the details of how he accomplished this feat was never revealed, he had to do it by surprise.) Emma was the perfect choice to reflect the change since what happened in the DP Saga was still afresh in everyone's mind. It gets people to take notice.

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4168/stormvsemma46rs.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsemma46rs.jpg)

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3610/stormvsemma51ug.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsemma51ug.jpg)

Then in Uncanny 159, you have the iron-willed Dracula. Not only does he have hypnotic powers, but he ambushed Storm and bit her. In biting a person, he gains a tremendous amount of control over them as they are affected by his vampirism. Add this to his hypnosis, and you really have quite an advasary. Well, eventhough Ororo was bitten, she still got up the willpower to best Dracula twice. He considered this impossible for anyone and was unable to regain control. Regrettably, I do not have scans for this...

There is another story circa Uncanny 211 where Storm is powerless. Malice attempts to gain control over Storm, but she proves to be too strong for her.
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5452/malicea2tf.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=malicea2tf.jpg)

(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6464/maliceb4sv.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maliceb4sv.jpg)


Storm's willpower was on a constant growth curve. by 1986, her willpower was stated to be the strongest of the X-Men. MAgneto was present in the story as he was on her team and on the page right before this. At the bottom of the page where this is stated, all of the X-Men's faces were shown. Magneto's was one of them. Keep in mind in Uncanny 150, Magneto's will was stated to be second to none.

In X-Men: Heroes for Hope, she once more proved her mettle as she was the only X-Man who bested The Entity. The Entity defeated Rachel with the Phoenix Force and Magneto. This is a tremendous show of will on Storm's part.

In New Mutants issue 34, Shadow King possessed Karma. This means that he not only had his abilities, but Karma's as well added to it. Even despite this, while Storm was powerless, the two fought. Though Shadow King plus Karma won, he stated that it was a near victory as she nearly bested him.

There was another issue where Psylocke, boosted by Cerebro, was unable to locate Storm or even establish TP contact with her. She shielded her mind from Betsy.

By the time we get into the mid 200s, Storm's will had grown so strong that it was impossible to control. Hence, nanny had to regress her to a child which resulted in her getting partial amnesia and weakened her powers. This made her more prone to control. However, even in this state, Storm proved to be enormously strong willed. Circa Uncanny 264-267, Shadow King assaulted her mind. Child-Storm proved to be strong enough to fight it off and struck him with a bolt of lightning.

(As a side note, Magneto and Shadow King fought off panel. Magneto won the fight, but it was a very costly victory for him.)

By the time we reach Uncanny 277, Storm and the X-Men were assaulted by the Warskrull who had the combined power of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle. Warskrull was not interested in mind-controlling Storm in this issue. He wanted to kill her. He mind blasted the team in order to immobolize them. The others fell instantly, but Storm was too strong. He was barely able to hold her and stated that given time, she would break his hold. Therefore, he wanted Lilandra to chop off her head while he was still able to subdue Ororo. Obviously, he was not trying to read her thoughts here or make a slave out of her. So once more, the Jean fans argument that willpower can only fight mind reading and mental control is blown out of the water. He stated that he had never encountered so indomitable a will in a foe save for maybe Xavier. (In other words, it isquestionable if even Xavier's will is as strong as Storm's.)

(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6580/telepathicresist4jz.th.jpg) (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=telepathicresist4jz.jpg)


During this time, Storm was going through her "Punk" stages. She was also finding true love for the first time in her life with Forge. Her outfits and looks were changing as frequently as the weather which reflected her changes of character.

After this, we have 7 years where Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle wrote and had every telepath from a lowly telepaths on up easily attack Storm's mind. The stripped her of her indomitable will.

However, after their run, Alan Davis came back and reestablished her indomitable will in the issue where the team tried to convince Galactus not to devour a planet populated by the Skrull.

CC then came back soon afterwards and eventually added to Storm the added protection against telepaths her electricity. We see in Schism where Bogan, a telepath strong enough to block Xavier while Xavier is boosted by Cerebra and sink his hooks into a telepath as powerful as Emma without her notice even takes possession of Rachel. Not only does he have his own immense powers, but Rachel's as well added to it. Storm and the X-Men battle Bogan-Rachel and his cronies. Storm positions herself to be the target of the telepath. When Bogan-Rachel attacks her mind, STorm smiles and states, "Do you know what happens to a telepath who enters my mind uninvited?" The electricity in her then fries Bogan-Rachel and takes him/her out of the fight.

Here are the Storm vs. Bogan/Rachel scans:
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3608/stormvsbogan7kj.th.jpg) (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsbogan7kj.jpg)

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2223/stormvsbogan20lj.th.jpg) (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsbogan20lj.jpg)

In the same story, here is Storm and Prof. X chatting. He comments on how her lightning hurts him when he just tries to talk to her via TP:
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4593/psiscramble5yk.th.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiscramble5yk.jpg)


Now that I have posted this, I would recommend that the guy who tried to post all of those scans not take the time to post the issue numbers for his rebuttle. I have firmly established with this post that Jean Grey cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, defeat Storm via her TP. She is no Bogan and certainly no Bogan-Rachel. She is no Shadow King or Xavier or Warskrull. Trying to post issues where Storm is hurt by a Morlock telepath is just plain silly as it is obviously a writing the character down. If we were discussing a strength character, if I brought up a number of issues where he/she can lift 18-wheel trucks, don't try and refute the evidence by bringing up issues where the character can't even lift a car. It would not have any credence.

Now, I have only discussed Ororo's willpower and telepathic defenses in this post. I have not addressed the enormous amount of power Storm can bring to bear in a fight offensively with her powers. Well, I have discussed it at length in the debate against Magneto. Obviously, a character with this kind of will who can pull the kind of power stunts I have brought up in the Storm vs. Magneto aspect of this thread is going to be written down in some issues even by CC. She's near unstoppable. In order for certain stories to unfold, she has to be weakened. This is a character who could beat anyone of the X-Men standard foes (ie. Magneto, Shadow King, Inner Circle, etc). And yes, she could likely trump the entire old-school Inner Circle (Shaw, Leland, Selene, Emma, Pierce) by herself. That Inner Circle would stand a much better chance against Magneto by himself than they would against Storm by herself. In a Storm vs. Inner Circe, Storm would have a the bigger advantage. I mean, they have no defense whatsover against her powers and lack any means to take her down quickly. Given time, they may be able to come out with a victory, but her powers are inherently too violent and will take them out immediately. One tornado and they are gone. Magneto, on the other hand, lacks the means to take them down quickly and they can wear them down with their 5-1 numbers. Plus, they are better able to fight off his attacks than they are Ororo's. I can defend this well.  So, now imagine a character like Storm backed by team member and put her up against x-villains. See what I am getting at?

I posted this on page 7 of this thread, but now I think I will add it here for easier reference. I am just going to cut and paste what I did there:
For more Storm/Telepath stuff, here we go again  :

Do you guys remember circa Uncanny 264-268 where I stated how a de-aged Storm bested the Shadow King? Shadow King is a malevolent purely psychic creature that possess people. He exists on the Astral Plane. His powers are equal to Xavier and at times even dwarfs Xavier in power and as far as skill and experience, he is greater than Xavier in both respects. Anyway, I commented on the first page of this thread where Storm was reduced to a child by Nanny who wanted to control her. Adult Storm's will was FAR too great to be controlled so Nanny reduced her to a child to weaken her will and power. Even still, she was VERY strong against telepaths. Keep in mind that this is before she got the added boost to her electrical powers that can nullify a telepath's powers as I posted on the first page of the thread. This addition to her electrical powers did not come about till X-Treme X-Men. Look what a de-aged Storm does against the Shadow King with willpower alone:

A DE-AGED Ororo besting the SHADOW KING!
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Mentally BLOCKING HIM!

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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jominick on February 27, 2007, 04:50:46 pm
Wow...I thought I loved Storm, good read!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2007, 04:59:11 pm

Wow...I thought I loved Storm, good read!


Thanks! I'm not done yet, though!

Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces, channel them and bend them to her will:

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9382/spacelightning6jz.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spacelightning6jz.jpg)

Here is another instance:

(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2933/energyworld2io.th.jpg) (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld2io.jpg)

(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7523/energyworld24lq.th.jpg) (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld24lq.jpg)

Here is another instance:
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/541/energyworld38nt.th.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld38nt.jpg)

(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5931/energyworld42xc.th.jpg) (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg)

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7905/energyworld57hb.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld57hb.jpg)


I've brought this up months ago with Storm. I just thought that I would bring it up again to kind of put everything in one spot. Here goes:

it was 1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)


The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...

"RB: Storm next...

Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.


RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?

Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.

Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."

Okay, there is the interview. Now, here is Uncanny 145-147: (The cover of 147 stated "We did it once, dare we do it again," in allusion to the Dark Phoenix Saga.)

As stated in that interview, Storm's powers are equal to Phoenix. However, at that time, Phoenix's powers were tempered by Jean's humanity. Same holds true for Ororo. Her powers are tempered by her humanity. In the case of Phoenix, when Jean's humanity was removed, nothing was there to restrain the power and DP was born. It had near-infinite power, but kept growing and reaching for ultimate power. However, it was stopped before that. DP stated that she had limits still and did not like this. This was before she consumed the star. However, the Watcher let us know  that DP could have attained ultimate power and been second only to the Creator had she kept going and not been stopped.

In the case of Storm, when her humanity was stripped, she also had near-infinite power and was reaching for ultimate power. It was in her grasp. However, she brought herself under control rather than continuining down that mad god road of the DP. Both had the potential to grasp ultimate power in their reach.  Storm simply refused it while Phoenix was stopped before she reached it.

If Storm were to let go of her blocks and delve into her powers and kept reaching for the higher power levels, she would reach ultimate and unlimited power.

We know in Uncanny 165-166 that Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to its will. This includes stars, planets, empty space, etc.

Right now, Storm has the power of a goddess, but she is limited to her flesh and blood body. However, as stated in X-Treme issue 5, she will one day transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess.

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6052/omegapotentail6vg.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail6vg.jpg)

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7715/omegapotentail24oe.th.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail24oe.jpg)

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/233/omegapotentail31og.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail31og.jpg)

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/903/omegapotentail40fa.th.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail40fa.jpg)

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/453/omegapotentail51qe.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail51qe.jpg)

We see her make an earthquake here:

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http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thatearthquarkthing23qh.jpg

Here shows up more of her attunement to nature:

(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5980/feelinghurricaneva2.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feelinghurricaneva2.jpg)


Here is another scan where Storm creates a storm while deep underground:

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5886/undergroundmosoon6lj.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon6lj.jpg)

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4089/undergroundmosoon28eh.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon28eh.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2007, 05:41:00 pm
Here, Storm breaks down water into oxygen and hydrogen so the team can breathe:

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/85/electrolysisfield4of.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=electrolysisfield4of.jpg)
 
Here, Storm manifests clothing for herself out of thin air by manipulating electrons:

(http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/7398/molecularclothing9rg.jpg)

Storm can work her powers through force-fields as she has done this through Jean's and Invisible Woman's field. Tomorrow, I am hoping to be able to purchase the issue where Storm battled the Trion in their dimension and overpowered them. The Trion were 3 god-beings that were the sum of everything that dimension was, is and will be. They were the elemental forces of that dimension personified. Storm single-handedly defeated all 3 of them at the same time. She also mended a tear between two realities to prevent them from crashing into each other to their mutual destruction. Most of my issues are not with me. Ah, the joys of going to school out-of-state!
Now, tell me who's boss! Storm! :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on February 27, 2007, 09:11:05 pm
IAWR98!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on February 27, 2007, 10:36:28 pm
JEEZ MAN!!

Thats what I call dedication! I rated a few of them if that matters to you. Thanks for all the scans. Made me sift through my collection and read through some gems. It also made me a little jealous because you have a couple that I don't have. What book is that with Storm Vs. HT?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Toya on February 28, 2007, 01:19:33 am
Kinda late but, welcome BarbaraB.

You know what would cap off that extensive collection? The scan of that Shaw guy threatened to grab Storm's heart (or something like that) and she warned him about the electricity coursing through her body.

Storm is a badass character, no doubt about it.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on February 28, 2007, 08:33:01 am
Aw, f*ck! Annual #8 - I used to have that one. :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 28, 2007, 11:46:54 am
JEEZ MAN!!

Thats what I call dedication! I rated a few of them if that matters to you. Thanks for all the scans. Made me sift through my collection and read through some gems. It also made me a little jealous because you have a couple that I don't have. What book is that with Storm Vs. HT?


Thanks for the compliments. ;) The Storm/Torch fight was "Contest of Champions 2" issue 2.


I forgot to go into this last night, but read about how much energy hurricanes produce!

Read the introduction in this link: http://ecrs2008.saske.sk/dvd/s1.04.pdf and this one:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080831172621AAQGJwt  This is an average, real-life sized hurricane. Imagine the amount of energy a hemisphere-sized hurricane produces or a continent-sized blizzard! Guess what Storm did? :D In Giant-Sized issue 1, she focuses the full electrical power of a storm through her body and into Polaris.  

 Here, she overloads or "exceeds the limits" of Polaris. Then, the energy allows her to shoot downwards through five miles of ocean and four thousand miles of the Earth's crust to the center of the Earth. This energy cuts gravity from the entire Island and it goes flying off of the planet.

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2904/xmengsstormp326pe.th.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmengsstormp326pe.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7492/xmengsstormp333sh.th.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmengsstormp333sh.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7636/xmengsstormp349kb.th.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmengsstormp349kb.jpg)

While Scott and Havok did add their energies at the last moment to Storm's to help boost Lorna's, their powers are very small when working at this scope. As we all know, Polaris' powers are nowhere near this strong to do this on her own. Blasting to the core of the planet and severing gravity's hold on the island like that is well beyond MAgneto's powers even by far. In other words, Storm was the main person at play here. She was the one who really brought the power needed to accomplish the feat. Polaris merely harnessed the energy Storm used to increase her magnetic powers exponentially for these purposes.

This shows 3 things for Storm:

1) Notice that she first drew the energy into herself before she sent it to Polaris. She was obviously "filtering" the energy enough so that it would not kill Polaris outright. In the Storm/Polaris fight I posted earlier, she obviously did not filter then energy so much as it took Lorna right out of the fight. Here is the scan again:

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7407/uxm97pg144de.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm97pg144de.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9905/uxm97pg158dn.th.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm97pg158dn.jpg)

2) Storm's powers have been expanded over the years. As you can see with posts earlier, she can control EM fields and direct EM energies. In other words, she controls all of the forces necessary to pull this kind of stunt on her own without Lorna, Scott or Alex.

3) She can toss MEGA lightning bolts. lol! She could very easily devistate an island or countryside with one of these.


Here is another scan of her from "Inferno." Notice how her body is generating heat (or she is absorbing it from the Earth) and she's projecting it from her hands. Also, there is the obviously impressive lightning display!
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8577/inferno6gv.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno6gv.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6249/inferno23ua.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno23ua.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4853/inferno35rg.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno35rg.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7594/inferno49nx.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno49nx.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5733/inferno53hj.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno53hj.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9648/inferno63et.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno63et.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/619/inferno77eo.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inferno77eo.jpg)


Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on February 28, 2007, 12:23:13 pm


Kinda late but, welcome BarbaraB.

You know what would cap off that extensive collection? The scan of that Shaw guy threatened to grab Storm's heart (or something like that) and she warned him about the electricity coursing through her body.

Storm is a badass character, no doubt about it.



Thanks :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 02, 2007, 01:26:15 pm
(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4241/allnewofficialhandbookonc8.th.jpg) (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookonc8.jpg)(http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/5425/allnewofficialhandbookocc7.th.jpg) (http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookocc7.jpg)(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3999/allnewofficialhandbookosa4.th.jpg) (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookosa4.jpg)(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4080/allnewofficialhandbookocb6.th.jpg) (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookocb6.jpg)


I posted this as a thank you to Hudlin after his publication:

Hudlin,

I think this is your doing. ;) I have never read a more comprehensive bio for Storm in any version of the Official Handbooks in all the years of her existence. I believe that this happened because she is in your title and you have probably made Marvel aware of how much they had been leaving out in her bio-entry. The character has been around over 30 years now. Her history is extensive. While not everything was in there (and considering the amount of times she's been around and the innumerable issues she's been in, its tough to expect anyone to remember all of that when writing her bio unless you're Rutog. ;) No offense, of course, as I am just joking here. I only know so much about her because she's the reason I read comics.)  I always say that I know about every inch of the character's history and its a very accurate comment. (Everyone, smile again, Rutog is being truthful, but trying miserably to be funny with it as well so please be gracious and humor me just a little bit! ;) )  This really made my day when I saw this in the store.

To get down to business, I really appreciate how the Dr. Doom story was brought up in the bio. Its very key to the character. They finally took out that ridiculous max speed of 300 mph for her flight. The lady has been able to fly from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes as well as from Austrailia to the Savage Land located in Antarctica in a matter of minutes on her winds. She has also accomplished many feats that requires winds much greater than 300 mph and given the nature of her powers, she can easily do this. They finally mentioned that she can command the winds to fly herself as well as other characters. She has been able to fly the entire X-Men team on her winds before on numerous occassions. I can go on and on. This was the first time it was mentioned in an official handbook that she can command the cosmic winds. I had to wait till about 1.5-2 years ago before they finally mentioned her ability to summon the energies of stars.

 I thank you for this and anybody else at Marvel who was responsible for it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 02, 2007, 02:05:14 pm
Here is the missing page:

(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6503/allnewofficialhandbookomj6.th.jpg) (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookomj6.jpg)[/center]
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2007, 04:59:07 pm
Her intelligence level is two out of SEVEN? Whaaaaaat? The original handbook wrote that she had a Master's degree!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jominick on March 02, 2007, 10:45:37 pm
what about her speed(3) and power level(5). I thought she was at least a 4 in speed and 6 in power.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on March 03, 2007, 08:35:41 am
Those were pretty great I like seeing Storm's abilities show beyond wind and rain and lighting.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: HandOfFate on March 03, 2007, 09:12:16 am
what about her speed(3) and power level(5). I thought she was at least a 4 in speed and 6 in power.

It's actually kind of accurate

Speed (3)  means that her speed max out around 700mph (which would be accurate seeing that we don't get wind that can break the sound barrier of 770mph)

Energy Projection (5) means that she can control a single energy type (electromagnetic energy) form a distance and for a long duration.

IIRC, she got a 6 in Mental Abilities, which put her on the same level of Jean Grey and Prof X as a Master Psi.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jominick on March 03, 2007, 10:49:05 am
Where do you go to find out the meaning of these numbers
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: HandOfFate on March 03, 2007, 01:02:51 pm
Where do you go to find out the meaning of these numbers


In the back of all the new The Offical Handbooks of the Marvel Universe.

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3673/powerlevelwx2.th.jpg) (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerlevelwx2.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 03, 2007, 05:53:48 pm
what about her speed(3) and power level(5). I thought she was at least a 4 in speed and 6 in power.

It's actually kind of accurate

Speed (3)  means that her speed max out around 700mph (which would be accurate seeing that we don't get wind that can break the sound barrier of 770mph)

Energy Projection (5) means that she can control a single energy type (electromagnetic energy) form a distance and for a long duration.

IIRC, she got a 6 in Mental Abilities, which put her on the same level of Jean Grey and Prof X as a Master Psi.

Storm has flown much faster than 700 mph. Storm can generate much stronger winds than any real life hurricane or tornado. She can reach anywhere on the planet to grab resources to power her winds and storms and thus create the worst case scenerio. This is a lady who can generate pressure fields strong enough to bash through mountains, fields of pressure greater than the surface of Jupiter and pressure fields low enough to suffocate people, flames or even create an absolute vacuum. The greater the difference in pressure, the faster the wind. To drive those winds, she also needs to have heat. Well, she can grab heat and moisture from all over the globe easily in VAST quantities and concentrate it into a single storm or wind or what-have-you. Hence, she has flown thousands of miles in a matter of minutes, redirected Sienna Blaze's full power, smashed MAgneto's force-field and tax his powers with her winds alone, lift skyscrapers, etc.

Also, there is no way her energy projection should only be 5. There MUCH more powerful than most of the other characters who are a 5.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: kitamu Re on March 03, 2007, 09:52:06 pm
Quote
Storm has flown much faster than 700 mph. Storm can generate much stronger winds than any real life hurricane or tornado. She can reach anywhere on the planet to grab resources to power her winds and storms and thus create the worst case scenerio. This is a lady who can generate pressure fields strong enough to bash through mountains, fields of pressure greater than the surface of Jupiter and pressure fields low enough to suffocate people, flames or even create an absolute vacuum. The greater the difference in pressure, the faster the wind. To drive those winds, she also needs to have heat. Well, she can grab heat and moisture from all over the globe easily in VAST quantities and concentrate it into a single storm or wind or what-have-you. Hence, she has flown thousands of miles in a matter of minutes, redirected Sienna Blaze's full power, smashed MAgneto's force-field and tax his powers with her winds alone, lift skyscrapers, etc.

Also, there is no way her energy projection should only be 5. There MUCH more powerful than most of the other characters who are a 5.

wow that's called knowing your canon
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 04, 2007, 09:28:21 am
One glaring error in that Handbook entry is they say that Storm has limited resistance to temperature. This is not true. Lobdell did a story, Unlimited issue 1, that tried to establish this. It had been long established that Storm was immune to temperature and climate. In the Lobdell story, X-Men Unlimited issue 1, Storm flew into a blizzard and fried her system. The issue stated that the colder it gets, the warmer her body gets and vice versa. In Uncanny 120 (and issues earlier) it states that Ororo does not feel warm or cold. In another issue, it states that she is immune to climate and temperature extremes. In Uncanny 121, she flew so high in the atmopshere where the air so was cold and thin that a normal human would perish in seconds. She remained there with no problems and channeled a continent-sized blizzard through her body to the top of the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jominick on March 04, 2007, 12:49:27 pm
Do not forget "inferno" when her and Iceman went Absolute zero on that building.

I am guessing they use the term "limited Resistance" for those writers who forget that she is immune to extreme temperature change.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 04, 2007, 01:57:16 pm
One glaring error in that Handbook entry is they say that Storm has limited resistance to temperature. This is not true. Lobdell did a story, Unlimited issue 1, that tried to establish this. It had been long established that Storm was immune to temperature and climate. In the Lobdell story, X-Men Unlimited issue 1, Storm flew into a blizzard and fried her system. The issue stated that the colder it gets, the warmer her body gets and vice versa. In Uncanny 120 (and issues earlier) it states that Ororo does not feel warm or cold. In another issue, it states that she is immune to climate and temperature extremes. In Uncanny 121, she flew so high in the atmopshere where the air so was cold and thin that a normal human would perish in seconds. She remained there with no problems and channeled a continent-sized blizzard through her body to the top of the atmosphere.

You know where that might have come from?  Contest of Champions 2.  Clarmont put her in battle against the Human Torch and there was no indication in the battle that she was immune to his flames, which being immune to temperature, would imply.  In fact, Human Torch was quite confidient that he could kill her with a nova blast of heat/fire but was unwilling to kill to win.  (Of course that was just his persepective.) 

And if you think about it, when she fights Pyro and things, she uses wind and water to take him down, but there doesn't seem to be an indication that she could just walk thru his fire.  Though we've seen her fly through and burst his constructs before, I believe.  Maybe that's what this is talking about.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: HandOfFate on March 04, 2007, 06:11:37 pm
Storm has flown much faster than 700 mph.

No she hasn't. She has never broke the sound barrier. While she has flown reallllly fast, it has never been said/wrote that she flown pass the speed of sound (770mph). Now there have been a number of scans showing her flying at incredible speeds but none of them say she flying at Mach speeds.

This is a lady who can generate pressure fields strong enough to bash through mountains, fields of pressure greater than the surface of Jupiter and pressure fields low enough to suffocate people, flames or even create an absolute vacuum.

Okay, she never done that last one to my knowledge.

The greater the difference in pressure, the faster the wind. To drive those winds, she also needs to have heat. Well, she can grab heat and moisture from all over the globe easily in VAST quantities and concentrate it into a single storm or wind or what-have-you.

You're kind of limiting Storm control over her elements, she doesn't need to pull heat and moisture from other locations, when she can manipulate the weather system around her to get what she needs.

Hence, she has flown thousands of miles in a matter of minutes,

Again, never been said in comic.

redirected Sienna Blaze's full power

I don't think it was a full blast and she didn't redirected the blast by herself. The other time Storm used her winds to keep them ahead of Sienna's teleportion backlash.

smashed MAgneto's force-field

I don't remember the issue saiding anytihng about her smashing his force field.

Also, there is no way her energy projection should only be 5. There MUCH more powerful than most of the other characters who are a 5.

It's a 5 because she only controls one type of energy.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 04, 2007, 09:56:59 pm
Okay, let me address this in order:

In regards to the flight speed, she has been able to fly from Austrailia to the Savage Land in Antarctica in no time flat. In "Schism", she flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes.

In regards to the absolute vacuum, you are right. She created a partial vacuum. I got an instance in canon confused with an x-novel I read. In an X-Men novel written by Eluki bes Shahar, she created an absolute vacuum.

I am not limiting Storm's powers with that comment. Of course she can simply manipulate the resources around her and she has done some MASSIVELY power things that way, but she can be even more powerful with what I stated and its well within her ability.

As far as the Sienna Blaze thing, it was most certainly her full power. Sienna wanted to blast Xavier, Cyclops and Storm. Xavier telepathically did not allow her body to release the blast, so it built up way past critical and every iota of energy exploded from her body. Xavier's ploy was to do this to force her to temporarily burn herself out. Storm redirected the blast with an electrically charged wind tunnel all by herself. Cyclops blasted at the wind tunnel just in case some of the energy got away from it to protect the trio. Storm singlehandedly redirected the blast.  Afterwards, Sienna Blaze could barely speak or stand and was burned out so she just teleported away which resorted in a vacuum which used her winds to keep herself, Xavier and Cyclops ahead of the suction.

She smashed his force-field. He had it up and her tornado smashed it down. He also commented on how it was a strain to keep himself anchored against those winds. We know that the force-field was down since her tornado was sucking the air from him. Magneto's force-fields holds air against a vacuum hence he can travel through space. Therefore, her winds had to knock it down.
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1631/stormandmagneto1vm.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto1vm.jpg)

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9452/stormandmagneto26nv.th.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto26nv.jpg)


Storm controls more than one type of energy. First off, to control the weather, she has to be able to control the EM fields of the planet (and she has accomplished this feat on a much larger scale than Magneto ever has when he does not have a machine to boost his powers. She has also controlled his energies), moisture, temperature, pressure gradients, etc. Her powers is the ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to her will. Hence, she can control the natural forces that governs the universe thus she's truly "Mistress of the Elements." In "Storm: The Arena," she battled a character called Silk Worm who has the ability to bound her enemies in silk-like webbing. Storm was able to control the energy that composed it and turn back upon her.


(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9382/spacelightning6jz.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spacelightning6jz.jpg)




Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 05, 2007, 10:40:59 am
One glaring error in that Handbook entry is they say that Storm has limited resistance to temperature. This is not true. Lobdell did a story, Unlimited issue 1, that tried to establish this. It had been long established that Storm was immune to temperature and climate. In the Lobdell story, X-Men Unlimited issue 1, Storm flew into a blizzard and fried her system. The issue stated that the colder it gets, the warmer her body gets and vice versa. In Uncanny 120 (and issues earlier) it states that Ororo does not feel warm or cold. In another issue, it states that she is immune to climate and temperature extremes. In Uncanny 121, she flew so high in the atmopshere where the air so was cold and thin that a normal human would perish in seconds. She remained there with no problems and channeled a continent-sized blizzard through her body to the top of the atmosphere.

You know where that might have come from?  Contest of Champions 2.  Clarmont put her in battle against the Human Torch and there was no indication in the battle that she was immune to his flames, which being immune to temperature, would imply.  In fact, Human Torch was quite confidient that he could kill her with a nova blast of heat/fire but was unwilling to kill to win.  (Of course that was just his persepective.) 

And if you think about it, when she fights Pyro and things, she uses wind and water to take him down, but there doesn't seem to be an indication that she could just walk thru his fire.  Though we've seen her fly through and burst his constructs before, I believe.  Maybe that's what this is talking about.

I forgot about that with Pyro, the first time they fought, she flew through and dispersed one of his fire giants. I forget the issue number, but I remember.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on March 05, 2007, 04:53:46 pm
Storm flew thru one of Pyro's fire monsters in UXM #141-#142...."Days of Future Past".
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 05, 2007, 05:30:33 pm
Another thing to consider is that a single bolt of lightning is 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun. Imagine the temrerature off all of the electrical power of an entire storm placed in one spot! In real life, when people get struck by lightning, most of the energy goes around them. However, Storm has control over the lightning itself. Therefore, she has been able to literally incinerate other characters with her lightning. Here, she absorbs the full electrical power of an entire storm:

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2904/xmengsstormp326pe.th.jpg) (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmengsstormp326pe.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7492/xmengsstormp333sh.th.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmengsstormp333sh.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7636/xmengsstormp349kb.th.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmengsstormp349kb.jpg)

Storm absorbed this and channeled it to Polaris. Obviously, she filtered it through her body and regulated it so Lorna could survive as Polaris would have no resistance to heat whatsoever. It still speaks volumes for Storm's immunity to temperature extremes. This lady can act as a battery and conduit for energy. Her body can be a battery to charge storms, she's channeled the energies of storm, EM energies, stars/solar winds, etc.

One thing I have always wondered is how is Magneto able to hurt Storm directly with his powers? I mean, there isn't any kind of energy he can control that she does not channel through her body all the time in MUCH greater quantities than he can produce at any given time (she's channeled continent-sized storms, MILLIONS of stars, etc). It does not hurt her at all. In order to control the weather, she has to be able to control a number of things: EM fields and electrical impulses, pressure gradients, moisture, heat/temperature, etc. (Hence, Magneto cannot control weather as he does not control moisture, pressure gradients, etc). When she plays with the weather, she is playing with all of these forces. She's been able to control the ecosystemon a scale far greater than Magneto ever has without any outside force or circumstances boosting his influence.  I mean, Magneto can still use metal in the area against her, but that really should not be enough to overcome her powers. Between her control over wind and pressure (pressure dome, anyone?) she should be able to deflect any piece of metal he throws at her.  (In fact, Storm and Magneto have fought only 3 times. The first time, Magneto won because she was a novice. The next two times, Magneto only won because she held back. He even said so.) However, during the Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle era where Ororo was written down, he managed to grab the iron in her blood. (Of course, she was not fighting him at that time. He did it while she was trying to talk to him.) He really should not be able to pull something like that on this character. Her body should be able to compensate for any energy he throws at her directly and throw it back at him. At the same time, its been shown that he can compensate for her hand bolts, but we have not seen this for raw lightning from the sky.
I remember in a Morrison issue of New X-Men where Storm guest-starred, all of the X-Men had to wear some kind of protective clothing before entering an area high in radiation save Storm and Thunderbird. Those two were immune to radiation.

If you want a good villain for Wakanda, get Sienna Blaze! That lady has more than enough power in a single blast to destroy the entire country. Of course, she would most likely have to be under the leadership of some ambitious leader bad guy as she is not the type to come up with masterful plans at all on her own. lol. Well, just my two cents!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Marvelous on March 05, 2007, 07:01:24 pm
Yes, Im a geek and I play the pen and paper Classic Marvel Superheroes with friends regularly.  You create a hero and play in the MU.  According to the books and revised internet editions, Storm has these abilities.  The game stopped being published once TSR after it was bought out by WotC.  This is my breakdown and hopefully it helps...The stats below are from the book but I've tweeked her here and there (not shown) for when she shows up in the PnP game.

Storm

Below is her physical and mental prowess in the pen and paper game, it will show the ability, rank and the comparitive hero or villian to canassociate him or her with.

Fighting  -  Remarkable  -  Spider-Man / She-Hulk
Agility  -  Remarkable  -  Harkeye / Iron-Man
Strength  -  Typical  -  Doctor Strange / Invisible Woman
Endurance  -  Amazing  -  She Hulk / Loki
Reason  -  Good  -  Captain America / Doctor Strange
Intuition  -  Remarkable  -  Cyclopse / Spider-Man
Psyche  -  Remarkable  -  Hulk / Mr Fantastic

Below shows the powers and in parenthesis () it will show what is comparitive according the the Classic Marvel Heroes pnp game.

Powers

Weather Control: Monstrous
Flight: Excellent, up to 5 passengers (300 mhp)
Protection from the weather: Amazing (looks like she can survive at-50 degrees)
Weather Prediction: Amazing (50 miles away from her)
Create fog: Amazing intensity & thickness (anyone short of Wolvie and Daredevil could sence or detect her)
Lightning Bolts: Monstrous (2 times more than a regular lightning bolt...dayum)
Create Amazing strength winds, cyclones etc. (little short of hurricane winds)
Reduce weather effects with Amazing abilities, faliure will mean effects will increase (bring a hurricane to a rainshower)

Talents

Leadership, Resist Domination, Lockpicking, Slieght of Hand, Escapology, Knives, Guns, Aerial Combat, Martial Arts A C, Multi-Lingual: Russian, English, Kenyan

As you can see some of the abilities may or may not be completely accuate since the game has not been revised for over 10 years but there is a huge following online...

Any comments on her powers or abiliies.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 05, 2007, 09:38:04 pm
Yeah, those stats are way below her comic self. ;) I suspect this is the truth for most characters in that game.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wise Son on March 06, 2007, 06:25:06 am
Storm controls more than one type of energy. First off, to control the weather, she has to be able to control the EM fields of the planet (and she has accomplished this feat on a much larger scale than Magneto ever has when he does not have a machine to boost his powers. She has also controlled his energies), moisture, temperature, pressure gradients, etc. Her powers is the ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to her will. Hence, she can control the natural forces that governs the universe thus she's truly "Mistress of the Elements." In "Storm: The Arena," she battled a character called Silk Worm who has the ability to bound her enemies in silk-like webbing. Storm was able to control the energy that composed it and turn back upon her.
That does sound like one type of energy, though. Electromagnetism is one of the basic forces of the universe, comprising everything from electricity to light and all points in between. To have control over even a limited part of this spectrum would be a significant power (look at Magneto), so I think that, while all of Storm's power can be explained by manipulation of the EM field, this needn't be any kind of limiting factor.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 06, 2007, 08:40:02 am
Storm controls more than one type of energy. First off, to control the weather, she has to be able to control the EM fields of the planet (and she has accomplished this feat on a much larger scale than Magneto ever has when he does not have a machine to boost his powers. She has also controlled his energies), moisture, temperature, pressure gradients, etc. Her powers is the ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to her will. Hence, she can control the natural forces that governs the universe thus she's truly "Mistress of the Elements." In "Storm: The Arena," she battled a character called Silk Worm who has the ability to bound her enemies in silk-like webbing. Storm was able to control the energy that composed it and turn back upon her.
That does sound like one type of energy, though. Electromagnetism is one of the basic forces of the universe, comprising everything from electricity to light and all points in between. To have control over even a limited part of this spectrum would be a significant power (look at Magneto), so I think that, while all of Storm's power can be explained by manipulation of the EM field, this needn't be any kind of limiting factor.
Although I am reluctant to enter discussions on comic book physics, Wise Son is essentially right.  Let us make the distinction between energy and force as they are often confused colloquially.  Energy is the potential to do work; think of it as storage.  Force is moving something (technically, causing a body to accelerate).  I think we're primarily concerned what kind of force a character can project when evaluating powers.  Sure, they need access to some form of energy to generate force but as long as they do, the details of how that works are secondary.

Electromagnetism is a force resulting from the electromagnetic interaction, one of the four fundamental interactions.  The others are the strong and weak interactions and gravity.  The strong and weak interactions are limited to ranges on the order of atomic particles and while gravity's range is unlimited, its magnitude is much, much smaller than EM.  That is to say that EM is by far the dominant interaction in daily life.  Saying that Storm can "only" control EM is virtually no limitation at all.

For comic book powers, it seems to me that distinctions would arise from what kinds of energy / force manipulations they can perform.  The ability to manipulate EM fields arbitrarily with fine control would certainly be very powerful indeed.  I suspect that all characters who project some kind of force at a distance must manipulate EM fields in some manner.  An important question is what kind of controls do they have access to.  Think of it this way, if you've got a throttle, you have more control than if you just have an on/off switch (e.g. Cyclops).  Add a brake and a steering wheel and now you can drive around.  Add a rudder and elevators and now you can fly. 

So, I guess I'm saying that the number of different "kinds" of force a character can control seems a lot less pertinent to me than what they can actually do with their control.  Much as with martial arts, we ought to focus on the results they can achieve (fictionally speaking) rather than the pseudo-physics of how their powers work when evaluating those powers.  IMHO, of course.

Unless it's just fun to speculate.  Oh.  Nevermind...please disregard my little physics lecture.  I'm done now.  It's out of my system.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wise Son on March 07, 2007, 01:42:38 am
Unless it's just fun to speculate.  Oh.  Nevermind...please disregard my little physics lecture.  I'm done now.  It's out of my system.
Hey that was fun! IAWC!

And speculation can be fun as well: I was wondering about some of the technicalities of Cyclops' powers, like 'how come he doesn't blow those glasses off his face, or blow his own eyelids off when he blinks?' I concluded that Cyclops' eyes don't actually project force beams, rather they create an electromagnetic field that acts as a portal to the dimension he draws his energy from. Said field doesn't become a portal until it reaches several centimetres from his eyes, so the refractory properties of his glasses and visor prevent the portal from forming, with the visor obviously having an aperture that allows manipulation and control of the portal for different types of blasts.

*Sigh* Back in the day, that would've got me a no-prize. :'(
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 07, 2007, 09:58:02 am
*dapz his Wakandan brother*
Here's a BRO prize.
enjoy.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Catch22 on March 07, 2007, 10:03:35 am
Wow!  The geekometer in this thread just went haywire!! LOL  You brothas are putting it down.  Hell, I was gonna say...Storm can channel lightning...just PATHETIC! :)  Keep kicking the knowledge, fellas.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on March 07, 2007, 10:06:42 am
Dammit, what the...don't be naming a thread "Storm" that I can't participate in at ALL, you guys. Less geek physics, more sexonamuhf*ckinplane. Dig?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/rattlerbrat82/Storm/sexonaplane.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 07, 2007, 10:44:16 am
*LOOKS AT JENN*
can they have sexinthemasterbedroomofthebaxterbuilding?

:)
is that cool enough for you?
 ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on March 07, 2007, 11:18:06 am
That's on Hudlin. In my mind, they've had sex here, there and everywhere, as the Beatles would say. :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 07, 2007, 12:10:04 pm
I really wish I had my comic stash with me. Does anyone have Uncanny 369? I am hoping to scan from that issue all of Storm's face time in there to show how powerful the Trion was and to show how Storm single-handedly overcame them in combat and sealed a tear between two realities two prevent them from crashing into each other. The Trion were elemental forces that composed that dimension given form. They were the gods of that dimension and were the sum of everything that realm was, is and ever will be.

Given this:

Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces, channel them and bend them to her will:

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9382/spacelightning6jz.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spacelightning6jz.jpg)

plus the fact that her power is limited by the force of her will and body- add to that she has the potential to evolve and trascend humanity which would mean that her imagination is the only thing that will ultimately limit her power, she could very well out power most of the cosmic abstract entites of our reality at full potential. She can perceive the universe as patters of energy and forces and bend them to her will. From the scan, this includes empty space, stars and planets. At full potential, she would be able to accomplish this kind of feat without limits. She could probably survive in in space unaided.

Anywhoo, going by the fact that she can control the energy that composes of empty space, it would not be out-of-character for her to create wormholes or open doorways to other dimensions.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 07, 2007, 12:23:36 pm
Here, Storm's essense is removed from her body and replaced by a N'gari demon's. It is stated in the issue how the demon is not very comfortable yet in using Storm's powers. He doesn't have the mastery and comfort level she has, etc, yet he instantly freezes a large area with her powers:

(http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3152/flashfrozen6mp.th.jpg) (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashfrozen6mp.jpg)

You know, I was thinking about Storm's entry in the official handbook. It states that she cannot lower temperatures as far as absolute zero. Okay, I can understand she cannot summon those kinds of temperatures because the potential for that does not exist on Earth (like the potential for her to summon winds much stronger than any real life hurricane or tornado as she has accomplished this feat time and again in canon). However, it is something I think she can acheive with creative application of her powers. She has the ability to channel the forces of nature. This includes heat. When she is channeling storms and all, heat is one of the forces she is channeling. What is to stop her from absorbing all the heat from an object thereby ceasing all molecular movement and bringing its temperature down to an absoulte zero?  In other words, she may not be able to summon it, but she may be able to produce it with her control over heat. Anywhoo, just a thought.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 07, 2007, 12:41:09 pm
In the 12 story arc, we see further mention (and demonstration) that Storm can evolve. Here, she evolves into an elemental being:

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evolvedstorm1wtno0.jpg

Here is a post a scientist did on another board about Storm: 

1. The core of a galaxy is the densest region of a galaxy. It contains massive amounts of matter in a relatively small space. We're talking about millions upon millions of stars, gases, planets, and black holes. Some scientist even theorize that at the center of a galaxy lies an incredibly monstrous black hole. The weather of Earth ultimately draws it's power from the Sun, our lovely star in this system. Storm is uniquely linked not just to the Earth but also the Moon and the Sun (and any other forces that might be related to weather phenomena), thus she can command the sources of energy that feed a weather system. She has also been able to channel that raw power through her body (this was shown in the scans where she re-directed the blizzard across North America and where Dr. Doom cast her into a iron sculpture). When Storm was ensnared by the brood embryo, she was able to channel the energy of the entire center of the galaxy through her body, effectively becoming (ever briefly) a being of pure radiant energy on a cosmic level!

2. As I mentioned before, Storm's powers mostly likely work through some sort of manipulation of the fluidic spectrum (Fluid Dynamics). It was posited, a very long time ago, that the inner portions of the Earth were large caverns with heavey drafts and wind tunnels. This was the supposed cause of earthquakes. We now know that that is NOT the case! Earthquakes are NOT caused by underearth wind storms nor are they caused by seismic waves! Seismic waves are essentially the result of earthquakes and not their cause. Scientist measure seismic waves to determine an earthquake's tirangulation and intensity. Earthquakes are most commonly caused by geologic tectonic activity. Massive land plates "floating" over a seething hot flowing mantle. The tension of these plates interacting with one another are the fundamental causes of geologic (land/rock) disturbances. In general, what allows the wind to blow is heat. Most know that hot things rise and cold things sink, this is the fundamental idea of a fluid (trust me, there's a lot more to it like viscosity, ductility, conductivity, etc.) but we'll stick to that. Under the proper conditions, solids behave like liquids (ever seen molten lava or sand in an hour glass?). Storm has access to an array of fluid control and should be able to cause the flow the mantle hundreds of miles deep within the Earth, this could cause an earthquake. Unfortunately, I think she lacks the understanding and technique to do it and the skill for exact precision. If she's off, even just a little, we're talking huge consequences!

3. I'm not exactly sure of what is meant by Jovian Pressure field. From what I understand, Jovian fields are created by Jupiter's magnetosphere, which incidently is HUGE (If you could see it as an ordinary lump of matter from Earth, it would appear to be about five times the size of the moon!). Jupiter's magnetosphere creates these interesting electric currents that shoot out protons and other things from it's atmosphere. I guess it would have to fall under the idea of "natural weather phenomenon of the Solar system." Besides, I personally don't by the idea of Storm only being able to create weather patterns that exist in nature. When was the last time you've seen small rain cloud watering a flower pot? I think she's able to bend or at least adapt nature's forces to whatever she can concieve.
It is also intresting to note that on the planet Neptune, the wind exceeds the most extremes velocities here on Earth and yet that planet is much further away from the Sun. This has stumped scientists to this day.
I know some mention her not being able to raise the temperature to solar intensities on Earth, have you ever been struck by lightning? The average lightning bolt is more than five-times hotter than the surface of the sun! All she would have to do is fold in the ionospehre a bit and redistribute the o-zone layer and then channel in a solar flare. Ouch!
Or how about creating a temperature relatively close to absolute zero? If she can create intense pressure fields, then she can create a compressive force that would in lower the temperature phenomenally.

4. That one stumps me, but I think yes! Storms power certainly affects biology, both evolutionary and developmentally, but they don't control biology. If she does turn into an elemental, I'm affraid she doesn't have the ability to change back, unless someone in the comics descides to give her that power.

5. I would say try not to get so caught up in the kinesis department of psionics. Psionics simply refers to the mind/psyche/spirit. Think of the clouds and the wind as being naturally apart of her body. In other words, part of her mind doesn't distinguish a separation of her body from her external environment. Her mind is a part of the forces around her. Which how she is able to sense objects in her environment. One the scans demonstrates this beautifully. Storm was submerged in the ocean and she had to reach out and find Yuriko. She could'nt see because it was so dark but she could still sense Yurikos disturbance in the "flow" of the current.

Storm has control over the physical forces of the universe, that means molecular control, atomic control, sub-atomic control, and energetic control! How do you think water gets transported to the sky and back to the ground? How do you think acid rain is generated? Or how the element of Nitrogen is generated in the atmosphere? Or how the chemical process of weather breaks down rocks, boulders, mountains, the pyramids, and any other structures you could name? Or how about water being the fundamental essence of life? Or Carbon and Hydrogen for that matter? What molecular control roughly translates is that you have control over electrons, which Storm has great control over! If you take away or add an electron from a molecule or element, your left with an ion. Ions are how molecules are formed and move becuase they have a charge (+/-). If you "shoot" an electron at an atom you've effectively created the process of nuclear fission, meaning that you've seperated the proton from the nucleus of an atom.
See how important electrons are in the real world? See how powerful ligthning is? Lightning generates every "ray" on the electromagnetic spectrum (radio, visible light, heat, microwave, x-ray, and gamma ray)!

6. One hell of a force not to be reckoned with!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 07, 2007, 12:50:02 pm
Here are some interesting reads:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000B2C0E-84B3-1154-84B383414B7FFE9F

And something else on cosmic weather:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0005CD98-18DA-1C6D-84A9809EC588EF21
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 07, 2007, 02:32:31 pm
You know, I was thinking about Storm's entry in the official handbook. It states that she cannot lower temperatures as far as absolute zero. Okay, I can understand she cannot summon those kinds of temperatures because the potential for that does not exist on Earth (like the potential for her to summon winds much stronger than any real life hurricane or tornado as she has accomplished this feat time and again in canon). However, it is something I think she can acheive with creative application of her powers. She has the ability to channel the forces of nature. This includes heat. When she is channeling storms and all, heat is one of the forces she is channeling. What is to stop her from absorbing all the heat from an object thereby ceasing all molecular movement and bringing its temperature down to an absoulte zero?  In other words, she may not be able to summon it, but she may be able to produce it with her control over heat. Anywhoo, just a thought.
Well, the real question is what degree of impossibility are we willing to accept?  Absolute zero is a physical limitation approachable asymptotically but not absolutely achievable.  We either have to say that she can get things really close to absolute zero and that's good enough or we throw out the notion of fictional elements loosely contained within the framework of the physical workings of the universe.  Me, myself, I kind of like it when stuff has some kind of "plausible" explanation that doesn't blatantly contradict physical laws.  Obviously, this is a very slippery slope.  I had said I wasn't going to get into these comic book physics discussions...

For instance, this quote from that scanned image strikes me as pure nonsense:
Quote
In space, the elements are much more powerful than in a planetary atmosphere, the strength to manipulate them correspondingly greater.
Yep, planetary atmospheres are like Valium for the elements.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 07, 2007, 03:00:51 pm
You know, I was thinking about Storm's entry in the official handbook. It states that she cannot lower temperatures as far as absolute zero. Okay, I can understand she cannot summon those kinds of temperatures because the potential for that does not exist on Earth (like the potential for her to summon winds much stronger than any real life hurricane or tornado as she has accomplished this feat time and again in canon). However, it is something I think she can acheive with creative application of her powers. She has the ability to channel the forces of nature. This includes heat. When she is channeling storms and all, heat is one of the forces she is channeling. What is to stop her from absorbing all the heat from an object thereby ceasing all molecular movement and bringing its temperature down to an absoulte zero?  In other words, she may not be able to summon it, but she may be able to produce it with her control over heat. Anywhoo, just a thought.
Well, the real question is what degree of impossibility are we willing to accept?  Absolute zero is a physical limitation approachable asymptotically but not absolutely achievable.  We either have to say that she can get things really close to absolute zero and that's good enough or we throw out the notion of fictional elements loosely contained within the framework of the physical workings of the universe.  Me, myself, I kind of like it when stuff has some kind of "plausible" explanation that doesn't blatantly contradict physical laws.  Obviously, this is a very slippery slope.  I had said I wasn't going to get into these comic book physics discussions...

For instance, this quote from that scanned image strikes me as pure nonsense:
Quote
In space, the elements are much more powerful than in a planetary atmosphere, the strength to manipulate them correspondingly greater.
Yep, planetary atmospheres are like Valium for the elements.



I honestly do believe that an absolute zero is something Storm can do. She sucks all the heat out of an object while using her elemental powers to control heat and prevent it from entering her target.

As for that scan being nonsense, I disagree with you.  The lady is Mistress of the Elements on a cosmic scale. She can control the energies that govern the universe.

Edit:

I just reread what you said. I agree with you. That quote from that scan is pure nonsense. It is not even consistent with her powers. The forces she commands strengthens her. So if those forces are greater, so then should she become greater hence that quote is wrong.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: bluezulu on March 07, 2007, 03:25:09 pm
Damn Rutog Reg and McDuffie need to use you as a consultant when doing storm issues, you are a living wiki on storm.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 07, 2007, 03:42:56 pm
I honestly do believe that an absolute zero is something Storm can do. She sucks all the heat out of an object while using her elemental powers to control heat and prevent it from entering her target.
It's not a limitation of her powers, it's an acknowledgment of the laws of physics.  I'll buy she can draw the temperature down to practically absolute zero.  She can't take it completely to absolute zero without violating the laws of thermodynamics.  If she's not limited by the laws of physics, well, that's a whole different discussion and one that I'm just not interested in.

I just reread what you said. I agree with you. That quote from that scan is pure nonsense. It is not even consistent with her powers. The forces she commands strengthens her. So if those forces are greater, so then should she become greater hence that quote is wrong.
I can't imagine what "the elements are much more powerful" might mean.  It's just gibberish.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on March 07, 2007, 07:28:03 pm
Pax, Curtis. Pax.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 07, 2007, 07:44:18 pm
It's OK, I'm not upset about anything.  It's just my nerd rage surging forth.  Just because I'm not interested in fact free speculation doesn't mean others can't enjoy that game.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on March 07, 2007, 07:53:43 pm
It's OK, I'm not upset about anything.  It's just my nerd rage surging forth.  Just because I'm not interested in fact free speculation doesn't mean others can't enjoy that game.

10-4. I don't want this to  become an argument between real schooling and enjoying superheroes.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: HandOfFate on March 07, 2007, 10:34:17 pm
Rutog98,

In regards to the flight speed, she has been able to fly from Austrailia to the Savage Land in Antarctica in no time flat. In "Schism", she flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes.

I have no problem with Storm flying to from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes, if it actually says that in the book. If it doesn't say it in the book, then your just giving me your opinion, not fact.

Cyclops blasted at the wind tunnel just in case some of the energy got away from it to protect the trio. Storm singlehandedly redirected the blast.

So, she didn't do it all by herself. While she did funnel the energy upward, she still needed Cyke to help her contain the energy.

She smashed his force-field. He had it up and her tornado smashed it down. He also commented on how it was a strain to keep himself anchored against those winds. We know that the force-field was down since her tornado was sucking the air from him. Magneto's force-fields holds air against a vacuum hence he can travel through space. Therefore, her winds had to knock it down.

She didn't knock them down, more like she forced him to change from one defense to another.  It's still a good feat, seeing that she forced him to use a good deal of his power to anchor himself from the wind.

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1631/stormandmagneto1vm.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto1vm.jpg)

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9452/stormandmagneto26nv.th.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto26nv.jpg)

In "Storm: The Arena," she battled a character called Silk Worm who has the ability to bound her enemies in silk-like webbing. Storm was able to control the energy that composed it and turn back upon her.

This is kind of a grey area. The silk-like webbing was energy which look like webbing. More then likely the webbing was composed of electromagnetic energy, which we all know falls under Storm's mental control.

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2060/enengycocoonut0.th.jpg) (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enengycocoonut0.jpg)

Sorry about posting so late but I've been busy. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wise Son on March 08, 2007, 02:04:28 am
*dapz his Wakandan brother*
Here's a BRO prize.
enjoy.
I shall treasure it forever, my brother. ;D
Dammit, what the...don't be naming a thread "Storm" that I can't participate in at ALL, you guys. Less geek physics, more sexonamuhf*ckinplane. Dig?
Sorry Jenn, I figure we'll hold the geekdom down, you hold the sexonamuhf*ckinplane down. It's teamwork, innit? ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2007, 01:29:07 pm
Rutog98,

In regards to the flight speed, she has been able to fly from Austrailia to the Savage Land in Antarctica in no time flat. In "Schism", she flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes.

I have no problem with Storm flying to from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes, if it actually says that in the book. If it doesn't say it in the book, then your just giving me your opinion, not fact.

Cyclops blasted at the wind tunnel just in case some of the energy got away from it to protect the trio. Storm singlehandedly redirected the blast.

So, she didn't do it all by herself. While she did funnel the energy upward, she still needed Cyke to help her contain the energy.

She smashed his force-field. He had it up and her tornado smashed it down. He also commented on how it was a strain to keep himself anchored against those winds. We know that the force-field was down since her tornado was sucking the air from him. Magneto's force-fields holds air against a vacuum hence he can travel through space. Therefore, her winds had to knock it down.

She didn't knock them down, more like she forced him to change from one defense to another.  It's still a good feat, seeing that she forced him to use a good deal of his power to anchor himself from the wind.

([url]http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1631/stormandmagneto1vm.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto1vm.jpg[/url])

([url]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9452/stormandmagneto26nv.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto26nv.jpg[/url])

In "Storm: The Arena," she battled a character called Silk Worm who has the ability to bound her enemies in silk-like webbing. Storm was able to control the energy that composed it and turn back upon her.

This is kind of a grey area. The silk-like webbing was energy which look like webbing. More then likely the webbing was composed of electromagnetic energy, which we all know falls under Storm's mental control.

([url]http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2060/enengycocoonut0.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enengycocoonut0.jpg[/url])

Sorry about posting so late but I've been busy. :D


Hand of Fate:

In order:

1) Given what happened in the "Schism" issue and the span of time that issue would have taken, she would have had to flown from New York to New Orleans in a matter of minutes. Also, if you can maybe do a search function thing on X-fan since you are still allowed to log on there, at the time the issue came out, Claremont stated in a post about the issue that Storm would have hurled that metal spear at Emma Frost in diamond form at "better than the speed of sound" to shatter her diamond form. Xavier is even unsure who flies faster between Rogue and Storm. Rogue flies faster than sound. Also, in another story, Rogue was unable to catch up with Storm when Ororo was flying at speeds that the X-Men were not even aware that she was capable of flying at. In that same story, Psylocke tried to contact and pinpoint Storm telepathically while enhanced by cerebro. Storm blocked her out and she was unable to contact her or locate her via TP.

2) Scott did not contain the energy. The jobs of the 3 X-Men were laid out in plain english. Xavier telepthically forced Sienna to release every iota of her energy, Storm redirected the energy and Scott blasted just in case some of the energy got away from Storm's vortex and came at them.  His power was not used to contain anything as it would not have been the least bit helpful here. Sienna's powers are leaps and bounds beyond Scott's.

3) She did knock down Magneto's force-field. That is his greatest defense and actually his only hope of a defense against Storm's powers. The force-field was up until the tornado struck. She initially attacked him with her bio-lightning blasts. He opened a small hole in his force-field for his hand to fit through so he could absorb the bio-electric blasts to get stronger. He told her as much. She then told him that she was going to use a different, more powerful weapon against him than those bolts she tossed. At this point, you are suggesting that he let his shields down. This is the only power in his arsenal that would have any hope of protecting him from Storm's powers. Also, she did more than just force him to use "most of his powers." Those winds alone put a great strain on his powers as he stated. Now why she did not add hail or raw sky-to-ground lightning to the attack to finish him or why she did not protect herself with a pressure dome to deflect any projectile he might throw at her,  I don't know...

4) I'm not going to argue the composition of the webbing as the issue never stated it. lol. Its just another stunt for Storm turning someone's energy back upon themselves.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2007, 01:46:25 pm
I honestly do believe that an absolute zero is something Storm can do. She sucks all the heat out of an object while using her elemental powers to control heat and prevent it from entering her target.
It's not a limitation of her powers, it's an acknowledgment of the laws of physics.  I'll buy she can draw the temperature down to practically absolute zero.  She can't take it completely to absolute zero without violating the laws of thermodynamics.  If she's not limited by the laws of physics, well, that's a whole different discussion and one that I'm just not interested in.


lol. Okay, I can see where you are coming from. I can agree that she can get very close to absolute zero, but I think that she can do absolute zero if a writer wanted her to and it could be justifiable.  This is a comic, afterall. ;) For now, I'll agree with you, however, if she ever does an absoulte zero stunt, I'm going to have to give her her due. lol.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 08, 2007, 02:09:31 pm
why did storm let arkansas and alabama get hit by tornadoes?
huh?
why, storm, why?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2007, 02:53:30 pm
why did storm let arkansas and alabama get hit by tornadoes?
huh?
why, storm, why?

Nature must take its course. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on March 08, 2007, 04:49:56 pm
Sorry Jenn, I figure we'll hold the geekdom down, you hold the sexonamuhf*ckinplane down. It's teamwork, innit? ;)


Can't nobody say that I'm not a team player!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/rattlerbrat82/Storm/wedding7.jpg)

[Dave Chappelle voice]C'mon, titty...C'MON, TITTY!!!![/DCv]
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wise Son on March 09, 2007, 02:29:13 am
*salutes Jenn*
Good job, my friend! ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 09, 2007, 04:23:48 am
3) She did knock down Magneto's force-field. That is his greatest defense and actually his only hope of a defense against Storm's powers. The force-field was up until the tornado struck. She initially attacked him with her bio-lightning blasts. He opened a small hole in his force-field for his hand to fit through so he could absorb the bio-electric blasts to get stronger. He told her as much. She then told him that she was going to use a different, more powerful weapon against him than those bolts she tossed. At this point, you are suggesting that he let his shields down. This is the only power in his arsenal that would have any hope of protecting him from Storm's powers. Also, she did more than just force him to use "most of his powers." Those winds alone put a great strain on his powers as he stated. Now why she did not add hail or raw sky-to-ground lightning to the attack to finish him or why she did not protect herself with a pressure dome to deflect any projectile he might throw at her,  I don't know...

Not necessarily.  You would have to assume that the force field he created to fight the X-men was air tight.  If the force field wasn't air-tight, and air attack would go straight through it, without ever breaking it.  Since he wasn't expecting that kind of attack and since he needs to breath, and since his hand was sticking outside his force field, I would suspect that the force field isn't automatically air-tight.  Then he would dropped it himself.  He might not have even dropped it, but all the air was sucked out before he had a chance to make it air tight. 

However, if it is air-tight force field from the beginning...that's another discussion.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2007, 12:02:20 pm
3) She did knock down Magneto's force-field. That is his greatest defense and actually his only hope of a defense against Storm's powers. The force-field was up until the tornado struck. She initially attacked him with her bio-lightning blasts. He opened a small hole in his force-field for his hand to fit through so he could absorb the bio-electric blasts to get stronger. He told her as much. She then told him that she was going to use a different, more powerful weapon against him than those bolts she tossed. At this point, you are suggesting that he let his shields down. This is the only power in his arsenal that would have any hope of protecting him from Storm's powers. Also, she did more than just force him to use "most of his powers." Those winds alone put a great strain on his powers as he stated. Now why she did not add hail or raw sky-to-ground lightning to the attack to finish him or why she did not protect herself with a pressure dome to deflect any projectile he might throw at her,  I don't know...

Not necessarily.  You would have to assume that the force field he created to fight the X-men was air tight.  If the force field wasn't air-tight, and air attack would go straight through it, without ever breaking it.  Since he wasn't expecting that kind of attack and since he needs to breath, and since his hand was sticking outside his force field, I would suspect that the force field isn't automatically air-tight.  Then he would dropped it himself.  He might not have even dropped it, but all the air was sucked out before he had a chance to make it air tight. 

However, if it is air-tight force field from the beginning...that's another discussion.



Ororo gave him warning that she was going to change her mode of attack before she did.  He's admitted in the past that she could beat him if she did not hold back. What really makes me think that she knocked his force-field down is the fact that he had to strain his powers tremendously in order to withstand those winds. This really weakens the argument of Magneto's force-field being able to withstand Ororo. If it were something he could easily do, then you could argue that perhaps she cannot knock down his force-field or did not. Anywhoo, the most sensible thing for Magneto to have done would have been to use that energy Ororo hit him with to increase his force-field defense as it is his strongest and only real defense against this character. Even with his enhanced powers owing to her initial electrical attack, he still had to strain tremendously. I believe the field was air tight because he knew what he was up against when he was battling her. Magneto is a man of science. If she is going to change her mode of attack, he knows she fights him with weather. Wind is one of the biggest weapons in her arsenal. Her control over wind and pressure are probably the most effective attacks she has against him as he has no real defense for them save a force-field (which does not hold up to Storm) unless she decides to go for more intimate attacks. For instance, the lady can control fluids. She has to be able to in order to control weather. She may be able to control the fluid current in his bloodstream or manipulate his body temperature if she got creative or pull a stunt like her MUCH weaker Ultimate X-Men counterpart and create a storm within his body. (Ultimate Storm created a mini thunderstorm in Iceman's intestines.) She tosses bio-lightning at him, he can compensate for it.  He cannot compensate at all for wind or pressure attacks.  She is a good guy and Magneto knows that she won't try and kill him and throw too much lightning at him (unless he really ticks her off). If his force field could withstand her winds, he would have made it air tight with a thought when that tornado was sucking his air away to prevent it from taking it all. However, the fact that the strain was great on his powers to resist the winds combined with the fact that he was powerless to stop it from stealing his air (which indicates that her winds were more than his shields could handle) comes together to equal that she knocked his field down.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 09, 2007, 04:22:38 pm
3) She did knock down Magneto's force-field. That is his greatest defense and actually his only hope of a defense against Storm's powers. The force-field was up until the tornado struck. She initially attacked him with her bio-lightning blasts. He opened a small hole in his force-field for his hand to fit through so he could absorb the bio-electric blasts to get stronger. He told her as much. She then told him that she was going to use a different, more powerful weapon against him than those bolts she tossed. At this point, you are suggesting that he let his shields down. This is the only power in his arsenal that would have any hope of protecting him from Storm's powers. Also, she did more than just force him to use "most of his powers." Those winds alone put a great strain on his powers as he stated. Now why she did not add hail or raw sky-to-ground lightning to the attack to finish him or why she did not protect herself with a pressure dome to deflect any projectile he might throw at her,  I don't know...

Not necessarily.  You would have to assume that the force field he created to fight the X-men was air tight.  If the force field wasn't air-tight, and air attack would go straight through it, without ever breaking it.  Since he wasn't expecting that kind of attack and since he needs to breath, and since his hand was sticking outside his force field, I would suspect that the force field isn't automatically air-tight.  Then he would dropped it himself.  He might not have even dropped it, but all the air was sucked out before he had a chance to make it air tight. 

However, if it is air-tight force field from the beginning...that's another discussion.



Ororo gave him warning that she was going to change her mode of attack before she did.  He's admitted in the past that she could beat him if she did not hold back. What really makes me think that she knocked his force-field down is the fact that he had to strain his powers tremendously in order to withstand those winds. This really weakens the argument of Magneto's force-field being able to withstand Ororo. If it were something he could easily do, then you could argue that perhaps she cannot knock down his force-field or did not. Anywhoo, the most sensible thing for Magneto to have done would have been to use that energy Ororo hit him with to increase his force-field defense as it is his strongest and only real defense against this character. Even with his enhanced powers owing to her initial electrical attack, he still had to strain tremendously. I believe the field was air tight because he knew what he was up against when he was battling her. Magneto is a man of science. If she is going to change her mode of attack, he knows she fights him with weather. Wind is one of the biggest weapons in her arsenal. Her control over wind and pressure are probably the most effective attacks she has against him as he has no real defense for them save a force-field (which does not hold up to Storm) unless she decides to go for more intimate attacks. For instance, the lady can control fluids. She has to be able to in order to control weather. She may be able to control the fluid current in his bloodstream or manipulate his body temperature if she got creative or pull a stunt like her MUCH weaker Ultimate X-Men counterpart and create a storm within his body. (Ultimate Storm created a mini thunderstorm in Iceman's intestines.) She tosses bio-lightning at him, he can compensate for it.  He cannot compensate at all for wind or pressure attacks.  She is a good guy and Magneto knows that she won't try and kill him and throw too much lightning at him (unless he really ticks her off). If his force field could withstand her winds, he would have made it air tight with a thought when that tornado was sucking his air away to prevent it from taking it all. However, the fact that the strain was great on his powers to resist the winds combined with the fact that he was powerless to stop it from stealing his air (which indicates that her winds were more than his shields could handle) comes together to equal that she knocked his field down.

You could be right.  Every assumption you made could be right' assumptions such as Magneto had enough time to increase the shield to be air tight before the tornado hit (which I don't think he did.)  Or that magento would assume she'd go for a wind effect rather try to bake him with hundred degree, high humidity attack.  You could be right.

Or it could be argued that the way he anchored himself to the ground was the force field.  After all, Magneto is just normal flesh and blood and unless he was protecting his entire body when he anchored himself, the vacuum pressure pulling him up would have ripped him in half.  Shoot, particles of debris picked up by the wind would have shredded his body without some form of protection.  So, I kindof think the force field had to be intact otherwise Magneto should have been seriously hurt by that attack. far worse than just the lack of air to breath.

Or you could say that seeing a tornado drop on him is shocking enough to make even Magento to go "oh @!!" and he momentarily dropped his field.  After all, it is a product of will power and if he gets surprised it goes away.  If he isn't thinking about it, it's not there.

My point is this.  The book doesn't say the field collapsed or that the field was maintained or what not.  You can interpret what happened one way, someone else can interpret the scene another.  But until someone writes in a story--"Storm, you broke Magneto's force fields!" it's not proof.  Now, if there is a line by Beast or Prof. X or the narrator of a book saying that she broke the force field, that's fine.  That's proof. 

(Of course, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a magnetic force field is supposed to stop the movement of Oxygen and CO2.  They're not metals.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2007, 06:51:41 pm
3) She did knock down Magneto's force-field. That is his greatest defense and actually his only hope of a defense against Storm's powers. The force-field was up until the tornado struck. She initially attacked him with her bio-lightning blasts. He opened a small hole in his force-field for his hand to fit through so he could absorb the bio-electric blasts to get stronger. He told her as much. She then told him that she was going to use a different, more powerful weapon against him than those bolts she tossed. At this point, you are suggesting that he let his shields down. This is the only power in his arsenal that would have any hope of protecting him from Storm's powers. Also, she did more than just force him to use "most of his powers." Those winds alone put a great strain on his powers as he stated. Now why she did not add hail or raw sky-to-ground lightning to the attack to finish him or why she did not protect herself with a pressure dome to deflect any projectile he might throw at her,  I don't know...

Not necessarily.  You would have to assume that the force field he created to fight the X-men was air tight.  If the force field wasn't air-tight, and air attack would go straight through it, without ever breaking it.  Since he wasn't expecting that kind of attack and since he needs to breath, and since his hand was sticking outside his force field, I would suspect that the force field isn't automatically air-tight.  Then he would dropped it himself.  He might not have even dropped it, but all the air was sucked out before he had a chance to make it air tight. 

However, if it is air-tight force field from the beginning...that's another discussion.



Ororo gave him warning that she was going to change her mode of attack before she did.  He's admitted in the past that she could beat him if she did not hold back. What really makes me think that she knocked his force-field down is the fact that he had to strain his powers tremendously in order to withstand those winds. This really weakens the argument of Magneto's force-field being able to withstand Ororo. If it were something he could easily do, then you could argue that perhaps she cannot knock down his force-field or did not. Anywhoo, the most sensible thing for Magneto to have done would have been to use that energy Ororo hit him with to increase his force-field defense as it is his strongest and only real defense against this character. Even with his enhanced powers owing to her initial electrical attack, he still had to strain tremendously. I believe the field was air tight because he knew what he was up against when he was battling her. Magneto is a man of science. If she is going to change her mode of attack, he knows she fights him with weather. Wind is one of the biggest weapons in her arsenal. Her control over wind and pressure are probably the most effective attacks she has against him as he has no real defense for them save a force-field (which does not hold up to Storm) unless she decides to go for more intimate attacks. For instance, the lady can control fluids. She has to be able to in order to control weather. She may be able to control the fluid current in his bloodstream or manipulate his body temperature if she got creative or pull a stunt like her MUCH weaker Ultimate X-Men counterpart and create a storm within his body. (Ultimate Storm created a mini thunderstorm in Iceman's intestines.) She tosses bio-lightning at him, he can compensate for it.  He cannot compensate at all for wind or pressure attacks.  She is a good guy and Magneto knows that she won't try and kill him and throw too much lightning at him (unless he really ticks her off). If his force field could withstand her winds, he would have made it air tight with a thought when that tornado was sucking his air away to prevent it from taking it all. However, the fact that the strain was great on his powers to resist the winds combined with the fact that he was powerless to stop it from stealing his air (which indicates that her winds were more than his shields could handle) comes together to equal that she knocked his field down.

You could be right.  Every assumption you made could be right' assumptions such as Magneto had enough time to increase the shield to be air tight before the tornado hit (which I don't think he did.)  Or that magento would assume she'd go for a wind effect rather try to bake him with hundred degree, high humidity attack.  You could be right.

Or it could be argued that the way he anchored himself to the ground was the force field.  After all, Magneto is just normal flesh and blood and unless he was protecting his entire body when he anchored himself, the vacuum pressure pulling him up would have ripped him in half.  Shoot, particles of debris picked up by the wind would have shredded his body without some form of protection.  So, I kindof think the force field had to be intact otherwise Magneto should have been seriously hurt by that attack. far worse than just the lack of air to breath.

Or you could say that seeing a tornado drop on him is shocking enough to make even Magento to go "oh @!!" and he momentarily dropped his field.  After all, it is a product of will power and if he gets surprised it goes away.  If he isn't thinking about it, it's not there.

My point is this.  The book doesn't say the field collapsed or that the field was maintained or what not.  You can interpret what happened one way, someone else can interpret the scene another.  But until someone writes in a story--"Storm, you broke Magneto's force fields!" it's not proof.  Now, if there is a line by Beast or Prof. X or the narrator of a book saying that she broke the force field, that's fine.  That's proof. 

(Of course, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a magnetic force field is supposed to stop the movement of Oxygen and CO2.  They're not metals.)

In regards to your first paragraph, Storm told him that she was going to use an attack greater than the lightning she had summoned. That is really going to limit what she was going to do. It rules out a humidity attack as you suggest, etc.

The force-field did not anchor him to the ground because he did not have one up hence the air was leaving him. Obviously the reason debris was not shredding him was Ororo was exercising control. She is known for this. She's had tornadoes sweep through an area and lift only what she wills it to while it ignored all else.

What hurts your POV the most is the fact that withstanding those winds put a "tremendous strain" on his magnetic powers.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 10, 2007, 06:43:42 am
My guess is that you guys have put more thought and analysis into this than the writer did.   :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 10, 2007, 10:38:04 am
My guess is that you guys have put more thought and analysis into this than the writer did.   :)


lol. KIP does not want Storm to be able to smash Magneto's force-field. He really thinking hard to find ways to argue that she did not knock it down. Personally, I think its very simple and straight forward. On the page before, Cyclops, Wolverine and Colossus attacked his force-field together. They could not even scratch it as its commented on on panel. They all believed Storm to be dead (including Magneto). All of a sudden, Storm blasts through the roof. The X-Men stand back joyful to find that Magneto had not killer her as he had earlier claimed and watch as Mistress of the Elements battles Master of Magnetism.  She blasts bio-lightning at him. He opens a hole in his force-field so that he can absorb their energies. It only makes him stronger as he absorbs them. She then tells him that she's going to do a more powerful attack. She then accomplishes what the combined power of Scott, Wolverine and Colossus could not do. She smashes the field and taxes his powers to the extreme. She puts him on the ropes. She could have easily finished it by adding hail to the attack.

KIP is saying that the force-field was not airtight. I have never seen Magneto produce a force-field that was not air tight. I would like for KIP to show conclusively that he did. If he could do that, there is no reason he would have had to open that hole in his force-field to allow electricity to pass through. Secondly, if the force-field was still up, this is something that can easily be drawn as can be seen here:

Storm vs Xcutioner
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5761/stormvsxcutioner11sj.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsxcutioner11sj.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/723/stormvsxcutioner29aa.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsxcutioner29aa.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6199/stormvsxcutioner38jj.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsxcutioner38jj.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2678/stormvsxcutioner40wo.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsxcutioner40wo.jpg)

Notice how this guy had the chance to physically push a button to activate his force-field and it was air tight. Magneto can form force-fields instantly with just a thought.

I would ignore the caption in this panel stating that this was a full expression of her power. If Storm had truly gone all out with that tornado, it would have yanked him off the ground in a split second. He had no realistic way of being able to stay grounded that long. Clawing the groung my foot. Also, notice the tornado did not pick up debris. This really shoots KIP's assumptions down. He wants to argue about debris hitting Magneto therefore the force-field had to be there. personally, I don't think the debris thing is usually thought of. In the scans above, Storm was using the tornado to merely lift the guy up. In the case with Magneto, she obviously battered Magneto's force-field down (as it was not drawn at all in that tornado), sucked his air away and tried to lift him off the ground. In the Dark Phoenix Saga, she attacked a less-than-full powered Dark Phoenix on the moon with a tornado. The winds battered her so ferociously that DP screamed in pain. There was lots or wreckage around and the debris was not hitting DP, but the winds were.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 11, 2007, 05:25:04 am
My guess is that you guys have put more thought and analysis into this than the writer did.   :)

lol. KIP does not want Storm to be able to smash Magneto's force-field. He really thinking hard to find ways to argue that she did not knock it down. Personally, I think its very simple and straight forward.

Shakes head.  You are not reading what I am saying.  I am not saying you are wrong.  You might be right.  What I am saying is that the panels don't say or show the field being burst.  Neither has Storm, Magneto nor any X-men have ever since then mentioned that Storm can break Magneto force fields, which you think they would have had that happened when they are trying to get around force fields, even someone elses' force fields.   Your interpretation is your interpretation.  But it's not the only one.  It may even be the most likely one, but that doesn't make it so.  If Reggie or another writer writes a scene where someone mentions that she broke Magneto force field, then it happened.  But until then, it's your interpretation and we are allow to have different interpretations of that scene.

Can Storm break the force field? I am not sure she even needs to.  A bubble force field has an atmosphere inside it and there is no reason Storm can't just reach inside the force field an attack him within.  She has created small tornados before.  She can do the same within it.  She could flash freeze him or bake him within it.  (And don't underestimate the baking proposition.  Too hot and your body starts shutting down, you can't breath and you can't think straight.  She used it before against him effectively--when they were in his lab under the volcano.)  His powers really can't shield him from her attacks.  If he makes the force field skin tight, then it has to let air through, otherwise he can't breath and she can attack that.  If he makes a bubble (air tight) she should be able to reach within it.  Storm's powers are too versaitable for Magneto to shield himself against.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 11, 2007, 12:55:05 pm
My guess is that you guys have put more thought and analysis into this than the writer did.   :)

lol. KIP does not want Storm to be able to smash Magneto's force-field. He really thinking hard to find ways to argue that she did not knock it down. Personally, I think its very simple and straight forward.

Shakes head.  You are not reading what I am saying.  I am not saying you are wrong.  You might be right.  What I am saying is that the panels don't say or show the field being burst.  Neither has Storm, Magneto nor any X-men have ever since then mentioned that Storm can break Magneto force fields, which you think they would have had that happened when they are trying to get around force fields, even someone elses' force fields.   Your interpretation is your interpretation.  But it's not the only one.  It may even be the most likely one, but that doesn't make it so.  If Reggie or another writer writes a scene where someone mentions that she broke Magneto force field, then it happened.  But until then, it's your interpretation and we are allow to have different interpretations of that scene.

Can Storm break the force field? I am not sure she even needs to.  A bubble force field has an atmosphere inside it and there is no reason Storm can't just reach inside the force field an attack him within.  She has created small tornados before.  She can do the same within it.  She could flash freeze him or bake him within it.  (And don't underestimate the baking proposition.  Too hot and your body starts shutting down, you can't breath and you can't think straight.  She used it before against him effectively--when they were in his lab under the volcano.)  His powers really can't shield him from her attacks.  If he makes the force field skin tight, then it has to let air through, otherwise he can't breath and she can attack that.  If he makes a bubble (air tight) she should be able to reach within it.  Storm's powers are too versaitable for Magneto to shield himself against.

This is the last I'm going to say on the matter.

Agreed. One thing I would like to point out and then I am also done with the Storm/Magneto's force-field thing: Perhaps the reason the X-Men have not mentioned Storm breaking the field as I feel that she did is the writers always kept Storm away from Magneto in all future Magneto story arcs. Storm and Magneto never came to blows. Magneto has probably fought every member of the X-Men that was on the lineups at the times he showed up as a villain since Uncanny 150 save Storm. He and she never came to blows again.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: HandOfFate on March 13, 2007, 08:52:24 pm
Well everything I need to say has already been said. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 13, 2007, 11:28:51 pm
I still maintain that she broke the force-field. I can see your point and just agree to disagree. I think that sensible reading goes with me, but oh well.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on March 19, 2007, 03:29:00 pm
Guys, READ THIS!!!!!!! : http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/jupiter/jupiter.html

And then READ THIS!!!!!!:

(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/755/jovianpressurefield0zn.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jovianpressurefield0zn.jpg)

(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9361/jovianpressurefield22ts.th.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jovianpressurefield22ts.jpg)

Notice that Storm created fields of pressure while on Earth greater than the surface of Jupiter!

I posted what a scientist said about Storm on page 3 of this thread. I am now going to quote an exerpt from it:
I'm not exactly sure of what is meant by Jovian Pressure field. From what I understand, Jovian fields are created by Jupiter's magnetosphere, which incidently is HUGE (If you could see it as an ordinary lump of matter from Earth, it would appear to be about five times the size of the moon!). Jupiter's magnetosphere creates these interesting electric currents that shoot out protons and other things from it's atmosphere. I guess it would have to fall under the idea of "natural weather phenomenon of the Solar system." Besides, I personally don't by the idea of Storm only being able to create weather patterns that exist in nature. When was the last time you've seen small rain cloud watering a flower pot? I think she's able to bend or at least adapt nature's forces to whatever she can concieve.
It is also intresting to note that on the planet Neptune, the wind exceeds the most extremes velocities here on Earth and yet that planet is much further away from the Sun. This has stumped scientists to this day.
I know some mention her not being able to raise the temperature to solar intensities on Earth, have you ever been struck by lightning? The average lightning bolt is more than five-times hotter than the surface of the sun! All she would have to do is fold in the ionospehre a bit and redistribute the o-zone layer and then channel in a solar flare. Ouch!
Or how about creating a temperature relatively close to absolute zero? If she can create intense pressure fields, then she can create a compressive force that would in lower the temperature phenomenally.


End Quote:

Now, in regards to her winds, we have seen Storm surpass normal earth winds numerous times. You have the instance where she lifted that skyscraper in a fight against Torch.   She has flown from Austrailia to the Savage Land located in Antarctica in no time flat. She has flown from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes.  Then she put an extreme strain on Magneto's powers. There is the MUCH more impressive feat where she redirected the full power of Sienna Blaze. (Go back and reread the posts on that to see how powerful Sienna really is.) I think the lady can easily reach hypersonic speeds with her winds. I think she has gone this far or even surpassed it already with some of these feats. The fact that she can create such pressure extremes as above also to the point where she can suffocate people and flames and all, she can very easily surpass normal earth winds. The greater the pressure differences, the greater the wind.


Here is the post I did on the Sienna Blaze thing:
Circa Excalibur issue 72 or73, Sienna casually tossed a blast at Nightcralwer that had enough power to fry him to a crisp, sink Muir Island and half of Scotland Mainland. In the issue where she battled Storm, Sienna Blaze has enough power to split the planet like a ripe melon. Xavier telepathically forced Sienna to unleash all of the power she had to temporarily burn her out. He succeeded as she admitted this. Furthermore, she could barely speak or stand. Storm summoned an electrically-charged wind tunnel to redirect Sienna's full power when Sienna did that blast  that burned out herself powers. The issue stated that Scott just sat there and blasted in case any of Sienna's energy got away from Storm's vortex.

end of the post quote



In regards to bringing temperature down to near absolute zero, all she would have to do is absorb the heat from the environment or from the desired target. She channels this energy all the time anyway like the scan where she channels a continent-sized storm or where she absorbs energy from storms which triggers an evolution or when she channels the power MILLIONS of stars. I mean, she's channeling heat, EM energies, moisture, etc. Hence, Magneto is not a credible threat to Storm. His powers should not be able to harm Storm directly. She channels and controls/shapes the energies he controls as well as other forces he does not control through her body all the time and she can channel it in FAR greater quanities that he can produce it at any given time. In fact, as we saw in the Dr. Doom story, she can absorb it and grow stronger and even evolve if she wishes. All he can realistically do to her is throw metal. She can easily deflect metal with winds or a pressure dome. On the other hand, there is PLENTY she can do to him.

Magneto has only done things on massive scales with the aid of technology or some other kind of outside force. In "Fatal Attractions," he was responsible for a global EM pulse by blasting the EM fields of the planet. However, the EM fields in that issue were skewered by a device created by Forge. This device meshed the EM fields such that if Magneto came into Earth's atmosphere and tried to use his powers, he would be destroyed by the fields themselves. Magneto senses this while approaching Earth from his space base and blasted the fields before he came within rage. The result was a global EMP. He obviously does not have the ability to create this at any given time as in his next arc, "Magneto War," he once more turned off the lights the world over to blackmail the world leaders into giving him what he wanted. To do this, he had to create a machine to boost his powers WAY up to that. The fields in that issue were in a natural state. There were not meshed up by Forge's machine. When the machine was broken, Magneto was forced to have to control all of that energy on his own. He failed miserably and as a side-effect of it, his powers were bunt out. Storm should never burn out as she has the potential to evolve and wield unlimited power.

Prior to even joining the X-Men, Storm ended a hurricane that blanketed a hemisphere under her own power alone. We have seen her channel a continent-sized blizzard through her body that had enough power to last for 6 months.  In "Black Panther," while she and Panther were making love, she altered the weather across the entire continent of Africa. Given the fact that her being in the Galactic core put her in close enough contact to summon the full power of that core (millions of stars), she is physically on Earth. She's much closer to Earth than she was to any of those stars. She could technically rob the Earth of all of its energies if she wanted to destroy it. lol. That said, she could easily pull the global EM pulses that Magneto needs machines to do. Given the fact alone that she can alter the weather over a hemishphere alone would give her more than enough raw power to manipulate the EM fields to cause a global pulse. In altering weather over a hemisphere, she would have had to play with electrical and magnetic fields, gravitational fields, pressure gradients and wind, moisture, heat, etc.   She played with all of these on a hemisphere scale BEFORE she even joined the X-Men. Imagine how powerful she is now! Imagine if she were just to concentrate on the EM fields alone!


(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5980/feelinghurricaneva2.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feelinghurricaneva2.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 01, 2007, 12:40:08 pm
Remember how Storm and the X-Men were kidnapped and taken to the Trion dimension? The Trion were basically the sum of that reality. They were the elemental forces personified and they controlled the entire dimension. Storm goes there, faces all three of them together in a 3 against 1 combat (her against the three of them total) and shows greater command and power over the forces there than they. She overpowers them:

(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4227/openclouds2iz9.th.jpg) (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=openclouds2iz9.jpg)

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(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5452/healingrw0.th.jpg) (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=healingrw0.jpg)

Queen Ororo controls the energy that composes empty space. In that Trion dimension, she wwas able to heal that tear in reality because she controlled the energies that govern and composed that reality. It is the same in this reality and all other realities. Wherever she goes, she controls the forces that govern it and Uncanny 166 states that she can control the forces that composes empty space.
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9382/spacelightning6jz.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spacelightning6jz.jpg)

In other words, she could control space itself in our reality as she did there in the Trion.

So Storm started out as Ororo, then became a street urchin, afterwards, Goddess Ororo in name to some tribes on the Serengeti Plains. Afterwards, she became Storm of the X-Men and now Queen Ororo. What's next, Omegastorm? ;) As Omegastorm, she would be able to control the forces that govern the universe or any reality that she is in on an unlimited scale. This is because her powers are limited only to her will and body. As Omegastorm, she would have transcended the physical limitations and thus be limited only to her imagination. She could in effect evolve into a character as Omegastorm who could control the very fabric of reality itself on a cosmic scale.  I don't know. At the very least, from these scans, right now, it would not be out of character for her to be able to bend space to her will to fold space or create wormholes or open doorways to other dimensions.

What can we say, is Ororo all that and a biscuit or what? ;)



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 02, 2007, 09:29:12 pm
She survived intense heat and is easily surviving reetry here.

(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5421/xxm34pyratep14au1.th.jpg) (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xxm34pyratep14au1.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 02, 2007, 10:57:20 pm
Basically, here is the story with the Trion in a nutshell:

The Trion, the three god entites of some reality, attempt to purify themselves by literally ripping the evil out of themselves. This evil energy finds a home in the Juggernaut which boosts his powers to where he can literally punch his way through dimensions. He is wreaking havok in the Trion dimension. Rather than sullying their hands and dealing with him themselves, she send this character, Ejulp, or something or other to bring the X-Men there to stop him.

The energies of this dimension benefit Xavier as its frequencies
increases his TP powers as certain energies can affect TP. (For example, cerebro can enhance TP, EM fields, if manipulated correctly, can cripple long range TP as Magneto has demonstrated on a number of occassions. The list goes on.)

Nightcrawler, as usual, teleports by creating a entering another reality and convering the distance there, hence he creates a tear in reality. In this reality, however, when he uses his powers, there is a creature that lives in the reality he teleports through that comes up through the holes.

Everyone else is exactly the same. Storm controls the elemental forces of the reality, same as she does here, etc.

The Trion is afraid of Storm, who, asMistress of the Elements, can control the energies of whatever enviroment she is in on a massive scale. They and try to take her off the board as soon as she comes over. They ambush her. Of course, powerful as she is, it does not work. She breaks free and overpowers the Trion collectively single-handedly and mends a tear in reality.

Meanwhile, as she deals with the Trion, the X-Men deal with Juggernaut. Xavier ends up reaching into his mind and bringing Juggernaut to his senses and solves the Juggernaut problem.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on April 03, 2007, 07:35:46 am
The information you provide is filled with depth and intricacies....didn't know all of those facts in such detail before....wow, just wow!!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: panthera kia on April 03, 2007, 08:27:25 am
Wow, a Storm fan indeed!  You got me beat.  *looks through comic collection to update as needed*
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 03, 2007, 03:14:19 pm
She survived intense heat and is easily surviving reetry here.

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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 03, 2007, 03:17:55 pm
Some physics on both Storm and Kitty(mainly the movie incarnations, doesn;t matter since they are referring to their normal feats)

-In one scene, a mutant is able to walk through walls, something we all know is impossible. It is impossible for two objects to occupy the same space- except for waves. Also, a person would need to change the atomic structure of a wall in order to walk through it, meaning he would need to lose atoms. If the mutant were to walk through the wall and interact with it, the law of conservation of momentum states that he should lose velocity, but that the mutant maintains his speed. This would break the law of conservation of momentum, so we must assume that he doesn’t interact with the wall. This also breaks the laws of physics because how could you run through a wall and not interact with it?


-The mutant named Storm is able to create a storm using just her mind, something completely impossible for your average person. Weather is affected by the sun, climate changes, and barometric pressure-- not one mutant, and in order to change those items, it would require energy on a very large scale. The feat would require Storm to create giga-watts of power, which is impossible for one person. Her body would have to act like a battery, recharging after each storm. In fact, even one thunderstorm requires massive amounts of energy-- approxomately the same amount needed to create several hydrogen bombs.

Abstract

The purpose of this essay is to calculate the power of the mutant Storm from the X-Men movie (2000) releases in the creation of a tornado.
Introduction

Power is the rate at which work is done or energy is consumed. Therefore if you can find the amount of energy in a tornado you can can figure the power involved in making it if you divide the energy by the time it takes to create.
Procedure

1. Look online for the energy inside of an average tornado.
2. Watch X-Men the movie and find a scene where Storm creates a tornado.
3. Record the time it takes for her to make the tornado by either using a stopwatch or watching a timer in the bottom of screen (if available)
4. Divide the energy by the time to determine power.

Analysis

According to USA Today: Weather the average tornado releases approximately 10,000 kilowatt-hours of energy. Since one watt equals 1 joule per second we know that 1kilowatt equals 1,000 joules per second or that 1 kilowatt-hour = 1,000*60*60 = 3,600,000 joules. Therefore lets assume the tornado that Storm produces involves the release of 36 billion joules or 36 × 109 joules. Now I divide that by the time it took Storm to create a tornado, which was approximately 3 seconds. 36 billion divided by 3 is 12 billion watts.

The average person consumes 2500 food calories a day which is about 10,460,000 joules. To get the power you must divide by how many seconds there in a day, which is 86,400. 10,460 joules divided by 86,400 seconds is roughly equal to 120 watts.
Conclusion

I concluded that Storm delivers approximately 12 gigawatts of power in the creation of a tornado. Which is an incredibly large amount of power for one person to have. For comparison the power of the average person is about 120 watts making Storm about 100 million times more powerful that you or I.
Sources of Error

Some sources of error could be the fact that it is difficult to tell the actual amount of energy inside the tornado Storm makes. I found the average amount of energy in a tornado and there are many tornados which vary in strength so an exact number is hard to come by. Also it is sometimes hard to tell when exactly a tornado begins and ends so the 3 seconds I measured may be slightly off. It might have taken a bit longer or shorter to make the tornado, depending on when it started.

Matthew Michaels -- 2006


And to think. Storm can not only HARNESS the power of several Hydrogen bombs,(not atomic) but HYDROGEN bombs. She can also conentrate that power into a single blast.


While Storm's body can act like a battery, I think, I don't think it always does or has to. I think its probably a choice for her. I dunno. lol!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 03, 2007, 03:30:22 pm
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7961/elementalcosmicturbulence5px.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7356/elementalcosmicturbulence20af.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9015/elementalcosmicturbulence35qd.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8787/elementalcosmicturbulence47at.jpg

Storm is boss!  :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 04, 2007, 10:56:38 am
The Sentinel tried to wipe out all life on the planet. He created a gamma ray gun and blasted the ray into the sun which triggered a blast from the sun to Earth to accomplish this task. Storm manipulated the energies in the gamma ray along with the energies of the planet to create that shield thing to block the blast.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 06, 2007, 07:41:05 pm
Hey, guys! I got the scans for Sienna Blaze!

Here is what I posted earlier:


Circa Excalibur issue 72 or73, Sienna Blaze casually tossed a blast at Nightcralwer that had enough power to fry him to a crisp, sink Muir Island and half of Scotland Mainland. In the issue where she battled Storm, Sienna Blaze has enough power to split the planet like a ripe melon. Xavier telepathically forced Sienna to unleash all of the power she had to temporarily burn her out. He succeeded as she admitted this. Furthermore, she could barely speak or stand. Storm summoned an electrically-charged wind tunnel to redirect Sienna's full power when she did that blast  that burned out Sienna's powers. The issue stated that Scott just sat there and blasted in case any of Sienna's energy got away from Storm's vortex.

(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8779/xmenunlimited0141fp0.th.jpg) (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenunlimited0141fp0.jpg)

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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on April 08, 2007, 04:23:51 pm
[url]http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7961/elementalcosmicturbulence5px.jpg[/url]

[url]http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7356/elementalcosmicturbulence20af.jpg[/url]

[url]http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9015/elementalcosmicturbulence35qd.jpg[/url]

[url]http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8787/elementalcosmicturbulence47at.jpg[/url]

Storm is boss!  :D


would you mind postin the issue numbers with the scans?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 08, 2007, 05:14:31 pm
Sure, that was the 1991 80 page Winter Special from Marvel. Its a book that has stories about various groups in there. Another story in the book is about Namor. The stories are completely unrelated to each other in the issue. For instance, the Namor story is not related at all to this story with the X-Men. Its on something else entirely.

I hope everyone is enjoying these scans! :)  ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on April 08, 2007, 05:36:59 pm
 ;D Thanks. How many boxes of comics do you have?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 08, 2007, 05:59:30 pm
Most of my collection is in another state. I went out-of-state for grad school. However, I definately have my share of X-Men comics. ;) I don't know how many boxes as I have a bookshelf split between my music books and comic books as well as boxes. lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 08, 2007, 06:46:31 pm
Storm knocks Clone Thor for a loop with an EMP to the head in Black Panther issue 25:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/...anther25/20.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/...anther25/21.jpg

My issue where IM called Storm a potential omega is in another state. If anybody wants to post that page/scan, feel free to do so. Storm needs to be stated to be omega outright!! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 12, 2007, 12:43:05 pm
Hey, guys! Remember in the past how I talked about Uncanny 444 where Storm wipes out an entire roomful of sentinels with an EMP? Well, here is the scan courtesy of a friend who got it from a friend for me. :D

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/418/dangerroomkg8.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dangerroomkg8.jpg)
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8477/dangerroom2vd1.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dangerroom2vd1.jpg)
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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on April 12, 2007, 03:55:31 pm
that last picture of Ororo talking about "heirs" reminds me of  Gina Torres.
mmm mmm Good.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Catch22 on April 12, 2007, 04:56:03 pm
that last picture of Ororo talking about "heirs" reminds me of  Gina Torres.
mmm mmm Good.

Don't let Larry...*ahem* Laurence Fishburne hear you talking that junk about his woman! He'll get all Morpheus on ya!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 12, 2007, 05:45:59 pm
Here is something else talking about Storm and Phoenix Force Jean Grey:


"Originally posted by Chris Claremont in Storm Part II
What creates a bond between Storm and (my conception of) Jean -- and a potential abyss between her and Charles Xavier as he's currently being portrayed -- is the fact that both these women came to face, in the most brutal and unforgiving terms, the consequences of power without restraint, without responsibility. Unchecked, they can cause untold harm, even if they start with the best of intentions. (Kind of like being the sole super-power in the world. At least, when there were two with the capability and will to annihilate all life on earth, they tended to keep one another honest and in balance. Winning global peace is apparently much easier than sustaining it.) Be interesting to see how things develop in the X-community from here on. "
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on April 14, 2007, 03:59:47 pm
This is the most wonderously entertainingly geeky thread I've seen in some time. Definitely the writers could pick your brains on Storm's abilities as has been stated but what I wonder is what applies to her skills today? As you know powers grow and fade and change over time (Spuerman no longer moves planets) I wonder what pretains to where Storm is today? Is it all speculation and what the writers decide to pick up these days. I mean beyond wind and weather and lighting...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 14, 2007, 08:39:08 pm
This is the most wonderously entertainingly geeky thread I've seen in some time. Definitely the writers could pick your brains on Storm's abilities as has been stated but what I wonder is what applies to her skills today? As you know powers grow and fade and change over time (Spuerman no longer moves planets) I wonder what pretains to where Storm is today? Is it all speculation and what the writers decide to pick up these days. I mean beyond wind and weather and lighting...


Well, Storm may very well be immortal. She has the potential to evolve. In the 12 story arc, when all of the other X-Men aged and all, Storm evolved into an elemental being and was as vibrant as ever.

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evolvedstorm1wtno0.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wise Son on April 17, 2007, 02:43:57 am
As you know powers grow and fade and change over time (Spuerman no longer moves planets)
Well, that's not quite the same, as there was a proper relaunch of Supreman (Byrne's Man of Steel in the 80s), where they amped down his powers. Storm's never had a re-set like that, so strictly speaking, everything in this thread still applies.

Of course, like you say, it really all depends on the writer's whims.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 21, 2007, 12:24:11 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uUEpi-v6Uk

Just for fun. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BM on April 22, 2007, 09:38:57 pm
I always said that she was more powerful than any other female X-Man. Now, it's true. Maybe now they will stop catering to Rogue, Psylocke, and Rachel and start paying attention to Ororo.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 25, 2007, 12:10:29 pm
Hey, guys! This week, in a battle against the Silver Surfer, she pulls hydrogen atoms around him, manipulates them to create a massive HYDROGEN bomb-type explosion :

(http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1995/scan0010wi4.th.jpg) (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/192/scan0011rh6.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011rh6.jpg)
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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: The Evasive 1 on April 26, 2007, 12:49:36 am
Hey, you know the fanbratti over at Hero chat was saying what Storm did was bull*t too. I expectd them to clown BP, but Storm?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on April 26, 2007, 05:23:38 am
Hey, guys! This week, in a battle against the Silver Surfer, she pulls hydrogen atoms around him, manipulates them to create a massive HYDROGEN bomb-type explosion :


hmm, Hydrogen GAS explosion or Hydrogen (i.e., nuclear) explosion? 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on April 26, 2007, 07:43:28 am
Hey, guys! This week, in a battle against the Silver Surfer, she pulls hydrogen atoms around him, manipulates them to create a massive HYDROGEN bomb-type explosion :


hmm, Hydrogen GAS explosion or Hydrogen (i.e., nuclear) explosion? 

Seeing as how a nuclear explosion would have killed them all except Silver Surfer, I'm guessing non-nuclear.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 26, 2007, 06:44:28 pm
Hey, guys! This week, in a battle against the Silver Surfer, she pulls hydrogen atoms around him, manipulates them to create a massive HYDROGEN bomb-type explosion :


hmm, Hydrogen GAS explosion or Hydrogen (i.e., nuclear) explosion? 

Seeing as how a nuclear explosion would have killed them all except Silver Surfer, I'm guessing non-nuclear.

I'm not so sure about this. Ororo could have probably manipulated the energy to keep it away from her team.  A gas explosion would have killed most of them FF as well. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on April 26, 2007, 06:47:19 pm
Hey, you know the fanbratti over at Hero chat was saying what Storm did was bull*t too. I expectd them to clown BP, but Storm?

I would just disregard that poster(s).  Storm went easy on SS. She could have been written to tap into celestial energies and focus large quantities of this into energy attacks at SS or any number of things. This would be in character for her given the canon already established. Also, writers have the creative right to get creative with a character's abilities in stories. This was merely a creative application of her power and she has done things even more impressive that what was shown here.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 02, 2007, 11:47:53 pm
Edit for the above post:

This stunt was amazing. I just thought of other implications this display of power hints at for Ororo.  I can't wait till next issue!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 04, 2007, 12:12:00 pm
Here's a possible explaination for what she did to the SS:

"Hydrogen is element number one. Its the stuff stars "burn" for fusion, developing helium and all the other elements sequentially from there. It is the most common element in the universe, upwards of 75%. Storm gathered hydrogen(which in its plasma state is a main component of the solar winds), consolidating it in a small space around SS. In the presence of water, pure hydrogen burns. The "looks like rain" joke was a play on Storm precipitating the hydrogen, iniating nuclear fusion and/or fission, effectively the same process for a hydrogen bomb. I suspect the artist just visualized the expression of energy as a lightning bolt effect just to make it more within Storm's normal mo, but really that was a thermonuclear explosion in the super thin atmopshere of space. A tiny sun, but instead of held together in a sphere by gravity, allowed to spread in a ribbon thru the thinner avenues of space around it, like what happens on earth with normal lightning."

Here is something I posted on Storm vs. MAgneto/Polaris:

This lady has channeled every part of the EM spectrum in quantities that Polaris and Magneto cannot even begin to approach. She's channeled EM energies in far greater quantities than they can wield on numerous occassions. Worse for Lorna and Magneto, its even canon that the very energies that they wield Ororo's metabolism can use to augment her power and even evolve her. Given her full credit, I can't think of anybody worse for Magneto or Polaris to fight than Storm. If they were even pitted against Proteus, they would lose, but at least their powers may be able to affect him directly in a bad way for Proteus. Their energies worked directly on Ororo should only empower or unless she decides to simply channel it out. She can do either of them.

We know that often times in comics, characters are not given the full range of their powers in fights in the interest of story progression or to make one guy into a threat that he/she really is not if the opposition is given their full credit. Storm is not given her due in Magneto arcs as there are crucial aspects of her powers constantly being written out of the story to make him credible as a threat. These powers are crucial as it would nullify 95% of his arsenal that he can bring to bear against her. Even then, she nearly beat him twice and only failed because she held back.


Somebody also asked me why Storm sometimes struggles to dispel a hurricane?

Here is the answer to that question:

That is because she holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5886/undergroundmosoon6lj.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon6lj.jpg)

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4089/undergroundmosoon28eh.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon28eh.jpg)

This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem. (However, sometimes she just speaks directly to the storm and commands it to disperse and it does instantly. lol)

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

Now, I did not say this, but there are stories where Ororo alters weather on a HUGE scale. For instance, even before she joined the X-Men, she dispersed a hemisphere-sized hurricane in "X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7." She has altered weather on a continental scale more than once and globally as well.

Storm is reluctant to impose her will on natural hurricanes since that is the natural order of things. She could disperse them, of course, but it could trigger an equally devistating disaster. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 05, 2007, 02:25:58 pm
Guys,

A friend asked me to post more of the Storm/Trion stuff. I will post the pages I posted earlier and then some more. I include the page where she scolds the Trion(the sum of everything that reality is, was and ever will be)  and tells them  how they were right to fear her and that she could destroy them in an instant. Here it goes:


(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6642/trionth3.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trionth3.jpg)
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9233/trion2dz3.th.jpg) (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion2dz3.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4069/trion3iz5.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion3iz5.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5508/trion4lv9.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion4lv9.jpg)
(http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8541/trion5xx6.th.jpg) (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion5xx6.jpg)
(http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3179/trion6bt7.th.jpg) (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion6bt7.jpg)
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5152/trion7nl3.th.jpg) (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion7nl3.jpg)

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 05, 2007, 02:27:06 pm
Here, we get to check out some more of Storm's awesome reflexes in combination with her attunement to the environment:

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9821/ensynchtw4.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ensynchtw4.jpg)

Here, she deflects Gambit's charges with lightning and comments on how she could have simply manipulated the air in the chamber to take him unaware if that was here intention..

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8875/controllingairvs9.th.jpg) (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controllingairvs9.jpg)
(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3826/controllingair2de6.th.jpg) (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controllingair2de6.jpg)

Do you guys remember earlier when I stated that Ororo flew so fast that Rogue (who flies way above the speed of sound) could not catch her? Also, earlier, when I posted in this thread how Storm was able to block out Psylocke's TP when Psylocke was enhanced by Cerebro? Well, here are the scans now.

I think she is propelling herself from way up there along with earth's gravity. It kinda looks like a Comet or Asteroid.

More Speed. Storm is flying so fast she creates her own High-Altitude Jetstream and Rogue can't even catch her. Jetstreams are winds that travel in a straight line usually at about 300 mph. Storm is generating a jetstream so fast that it outdoes Rogue!

X-Men Annual 12


(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9119/kickingupspeedrs2.th.jpg) (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingupspeedrs2.jpg)
(http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9256/kickingupspeed2lq0.th.jpg) (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingupspeed2lq0.jpg)
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1128/kickingupspeed3bg5.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingupspeed3bg5.jpg)
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3210/kickingupspeed4lr4.th.jpg) (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingupspeed4lr4.jpg)
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/695/kickingupspeed5qz9.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingupspeed5qz9.jpg)

Oh yeah, I have to edit this post to add in the fact that this is the time where she flew from the Outback to the Savage Land in Antarctica in no time flat.


For more Storm/Telepath stuff, here we go again ;) :

Do you guys remember circa Uncanny 264-268 where I stated how a de-aged Storm bested the Shadow King? Shadow King is a malevolent purely psychic creature that possess people. He exists on the Astral Plane. His powers are equal to Xavier and at times even dwarfs Xavier in power and as far as skill and experience, he is greater than Xavier in both respects. Anyway, I commented on the first page of this thread where Storm was reduced to a child by Nanny who wanted to control her. Adult Storm's will was FAR too great to be controlled so Nanny reduced her to a child to weaken her will and power. Even still, she was VERY strong against telepaths. Keep in mind that this is before she got the added boost to her electrical powers that can nullify a telepath's powers as I posted on the first page of the thread. This addition to her electrical powers did not come about till X-Treme X-Men. Look what a de-aged Storm does against the Shadow King with willpower alone:

A DE-AGED Ororo besting the SHADOW KING!

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9571/gambitaxm4.th.jpg) (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gambitaxm4.jpg)

Mentally BLOCKING HIM!

(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3473/gambitcys3.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gambitcys3.jpg)

Imagine what she can do now to a telepath! Her willpower alone can best any single telepath including Xavier/Shadow King. With the electricity added on, a telepath would be foolhardy to challenge her! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 05, 2007, 02:43:39 pm
An EXTREMLY weakened Storm MECRILESSLY battering Dark Phoenix who is only comparatively weak with winds in a literal blink of an eye. This fight happens on the Moon where there is not very much atmosphere, but Storm is still VERY, VERY powerful. This is taken from the Dark Phoenix Saga. I mentioned this in a couple of threads in the past on here. I am not sure if I brought it up yet in this one. Well, here it goes:

(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8916/xmtdps180os8.th.jpg) (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps180os8.jpg)
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8444/xmtdps181si7.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps181si7.jpg)

For the heck of it, here is more air control taken from "Storm: The Arena" during the X-Treme X-Men run:


(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8893/xtremexmenpyrate3620nq1.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmenpyrate3620nq1.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Catch22 on May 06, 2007, 04:43:25 am
Actually, in the MU the "Blue Area" of the moon where they're fighting has an atmosphere like that of Earth's, so Storm's powers would work similarly in that section of the moon.  It doesn't make the feat any less impressive, though. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 06, 2007, 08:43:35 pm
Actually, in the MU the "Blue Area" of the moon where they're fighting has an atmosphere like that of Earth's, so Storm's powers would work similarly in that section of the moon.  It doesn't make the feat any less impressive, though. 


This is not so. Storm commented earlier how there were less atmospheric "tools" for her to work with there. Yet, while badly injured, she still pulled this number against the Dark Phoenix.

Here, we see where Scott is under mind control by Candra in X-Men issue 60, he shoots his beams at Ororo (which travel at the speed of light) in machine gun fashion and Storm flips through every one of them(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1479/xmen06002vi4.th.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen06002vi4.jpg)(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7798/xmen06004qd3.th.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen06004qd3.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 06, 2007, 09:05:51 pm
You guys, just to let you know how impressive it is when Storm is putting these telepaths in their place, consider these facts:

Xavier had a psi-battle with the Dark Phoenix that took place on every plane of reality at once. Shadow King's power is the equal of Xavier's and at times much greater. Heck, when Xavier was inexperienced, SK was a master and has only grown since. He assaulted Xavier a thousand different ways at once in psi-combat while Xavier was just a novice. This was SK just toying around to when he did that. His skill far outstrips Xavier's. Xavier had a psychic rapport with a lady clear over in another galaxy that he never even met and has even contacted the team when he was near our planet in outter space and they were clear in another galaxy.

White Queen is a strong enough telepath to mind control an entire city. Warskrull had the combined power of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle.

Psis were/are very powerful, however, but there were/are checks and balances. Characters like Storm keep these characters in check.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 06, 2007, 09:12:55 pm
Guys! Guess what? McDuffie just stated that Storm can do nuclear fusion (but we all already knew that, he just stated it for us. If only she did it in canon now...):

http://www.thevhive.com/forum/index.php?webtag=DWAYNEMCDUFFIE&final_uri=.%2Fdiscussion.php%3Fwebtag%3DDWAYNEMCDUFFIE%26amp%3Bmsg%3D1493.14

Its on posts 71-94.

Go, Storm, Go!
Go, McDuffie, Go!
Go, Hudlin, Go!


Ororo's is getting R-E-S-P-E-C-T!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jominick on May 06, 2007, 11:22:18 pm
Quote
Psis were/are very powerful, however, but there were/are checks and balances. Characters like Storm keep these characters in check.

I always felt the same way.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: GrimSkill on May 07, 2007, 01:18:03 pm
Guys! Guess what? McDuffie just stated that Storm can do nuclear fusion (but we all already knew that, he just stated it for us. If only she did it in canon now...):

[url]http://www.thevhive.com/forum/index.php?webtag=DWAYNEMCDUFFIE&final_uri=.%2Fdiscussion.php%3Fwebtag%3DDWAYNEMCDUFFIE%26amp%3Bmsg%3D1493.14[/url]

Its on posts 71-94.

Go, Storm, Go!
Go, McDuffie, Go!
Go, Hudlin, Go!


Ororo's is getting R-E-S-P-E-C-T!


YAY McDuffie!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 16, 2007, 11:36:28 am
Hey, you guys! Some of the Phoenix ones are a courtesy of a friend of mine who has more of a collection that I have at my immediate disposal (again, because most of my collection is in another state), here are some scans paralleling in canon the power of Storm and the Phoenix Force:

Now, to establish the power of the Phoenix Force which Storm's potential equals:


](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8828/xmtdps150ep7.th.jpg) (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps150ep7.jpg)

So the power of the PF is second only to the Creator.


Remember how the interview said "the bird effect"?

(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/337/xmtdps054iy4.th.jpg) (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps054iy4.jpg)

"Her Power is a song within her"

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5163/xmtdps055qb3.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps055qb3.jpg)

Also....beyond HUMAN comprehension

"Her power SINGS within her"

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/453/omegapotentail51qe.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail51qe.jpg)

"Evolved beyond ALL COMPREHENSION"

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6052/omegapotentail6vg.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail6vg.jpg)

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 23, 2007, 11:04:36 am
Here are more scans from Uncanny X-Men Annual which demonstrate the power of Storm's winds:

She tranverses almost 1200 miles in a matter of minutes, really 4,000 if you count Antartica (which means she can generate winds that travel thousands of miles per hour). In the same story she also blew TERMINUS away with EASE with her winds. Terminus had HIGH EVOLUTIONARY in his grasp like a rag doll and seems to weigh TONS. She took him out with EASE.

I've heard Terminus can withstand the blows of SUPERMAN and not budge.

(http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1716/uxma12pg01dq1.th.jpg) (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg01dq1.jpg)
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8786/uxma12pg02ni4.th.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg02ni4.jpg)
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2601/uxma12pg03vx0.th.jpg) (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg03vx0.jpg)
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1158/uxma12pg04hs0.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg04hs0.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3279/uxma12pg05kr2.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg05kr2.jpg)
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/670/uxma12pg06oy7.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg06oy7.jpg)
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2519/uxma12pg07da9.th.jpg) (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg07da9.jpg)
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1255/uxma12pg08or7.th.jpg) (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg08or7.jpg)
(http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3301/uxma12pg09nr0.th.jpg) (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg09nr0.jpg)
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2609/uxma12pg11nt5.th.jpg) (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg11nt5.jpg)
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/147/uxma12pg12ig4.th.jpg) (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg12ig4.jpg)

(http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9489/uxma12pg14el1.th.jpg) (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg14el1.jpg)
(http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7467/uxma12pg15oh9.th.jpg) (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxma12pg15oh9.jpg)




As you can see, HQ( headquarters which is in central Australia), and where Storm is( PAST Melbourne)is between 1200 miles away. She transversed half a country in a matter of MINUTES. She was on her way to Antarctica (she travels about 4000 miles including Antarctica) and was there in a matter of MINUTES.

Storm can generate winds many times faster than the speed of sound. She's obviously tapping into the planet's resources and reproportioning them to get these winds far greater than any real life hurricane or tornado and she can do this fast. Hence, she did it in no time flat when Torch was trying to drop the skyscraper on her in my Storm vs. Torch scans on page one of this thread. Ororo has also stated on panel that she can generate winds strong enough to level mountains and Thor has commented on winds that Storm generated that they were strong enough to scour the surface of the planet to its bedrock!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 24, 2007, 09:54:58 pm
In Fantastic Four issue 456, she blasts Stardust to dust:

 (http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9452/img008uu4.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 26, 2007, 02:04:01 pm
Rutog,your knowledge of Storm is sooo incredible and comprehensive...it's almost scary.With that being said,I must say that I have learned LOTS about Storm,due to your thread here.She's unbeliveably powerful.She's FINE as hell...which all of us know,of course.Personally,I would like to see more examples of her H2H prowess..I love how she flipped thru Cyclop's blasts when he was being mind-controlled.Skillz and speed and technique that makes the lifelong martial artist in me curl my toes.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 27, 2007, 11:54:47 am
I can give you issue numbers where she fights or the story arcs at least that shows her H-2-H combat skills, but I don't have the issues with me. I would have to try and get them from my comic store here.

Storm has in her personality a beserker rage that rivals Wolverine's. She stated as much in Uncanny 181 that she can be every bit as ruthless as Wolverine if the need arose. We saw in Uncanny 224 where a powerless Storm fought her way past a horde of demons single-handedly with only a knife to kill Forge. She also defeated Crimson Commando and his lackeys in H-2-H combat when she was powerless circa Ucanny 209-210.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on May 27, 2007, 08:08:36 pm
She also ripped the heart out of a monster-woman and stabbed Callisto through the heart. Why Storm killing Arab slave traders was OMG OOC!!!111 is beyond me. Oh, that's right - because HUDLIN wrote it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 27, 2007, 09:58:42 pm
I can give you issue numbers where she fights or the story arcs at least that shows her H-2-H combat skills, but I don't have the issues with me. I would have to try and get them from my comic store here.

Storm has in her personality a beserker rage that rivals Wolverine's. She stated as much in Uncanny 181 that she can be every bit as ruthless as Wolverine if the need arose. We saw in Uncanny 224 where a powerless Storm fought her way past a horde of demons single-handedly with only a knife to kill Forge. She also defeated Crimson Commando and his lackeys in H-2-H combat when she was powerless circa Ucanny 209-210.

Sounds like someone who definitely has the  grit to be the Queen of the Wakanda,home of Earth's warriors supreme...I would love to check out these issues or arcs,holla at me...

She also ripped the heart out of a monster-woman and stabbed Callisto through the heart. Why Storm killing Arab slave traders was OMG OOC!!!111 is beyond me. Oh, that's right - because HUDLIN wrote it.

^^^^Absolutely,positively true,Jenn.I can't concur with you more!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 28, 2007, 10:03:48 am
When Sage is possessed by the Fury, Storm blasts her in the head with an EMP which weakens the Fury's hold on her:

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9052/empwm2.th.jpg) (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=empwm2.jpg)

Here, Storm blocks Psylocke's TK which can move mountains:


(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9639/tkblockzp4.th.jpg) (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tkblockzp4.jpg)

Storm shoots a lightning bolt from her feet without looking and aims perfectly:

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4342/phalanxaimhq9.th.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phalanxaimhq9.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 28, 2007, 06:12:26 pm
For Supreme Illuminati (and all others interested), this is from Uncanny 224 :D:

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1125/fightingskillztu2.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fightingskillztu2.jpg)
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2664/uncanny20xmen2022416gi6.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny20xmen2022416gi6.jpg)
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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 28, 2007, 06:17:09 pm
Guys, you know how Jean Grey always struggles to hold planes up with her telekinesis? Storm, when reduced to a child which weakened her will and powers, was able to fly a plane completely under her own power for a long time:



(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5135/planewindsrr0.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planewindsrr0.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2489/planewinds2pv6.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planewinds2pv6.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6680/planewinds3hp2.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planewinds3hp2.jpg)

Self contained Hurricane with less than a conscious thought. I'm assuming that this means before Ororo is even aware, her bond with the earth carries out her will seeing how her power is tied so much into her emotion.--"Less than a conscious thought".

Uncanny 300

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2803/lessthanacnsciousthoughfo4.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lessthanacnsciousthoughfo4.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 28, 2007, 06:24:31 pm
I can give you issue numbers where she fights or the story arcs at least that shows her H-2-H combat skills, but I don't have the issues with me. I would have to try and get them from my comic store here.

Storm has in her personality a beserker rage that rivals Wolverine's. She stated as much in Uncanny 181 that she can be every bit as ruthless as Wolverine if the need arose. We saw in Uncanny 224 where a powerless Storm fought her way past a horde of demons single-handedly with only a knife to kill Forge. She also defeated Crimson Commando and his lackeys in H-2-H combat when she was powerless circa Ucanny 209-210.

I made a mistake here. The Crimson Commando was 215-216.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that in New Mutants circa issue 33, Storm defeats the entire New Mutant team all by herself when she was powerless and they had their powers. They were evil and under Shadow King's control and ganged up on her all at once. She won!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wise Son on May 29, 2007, 02:15:08 am
When Sage is possessed by the Fury, Storm blasts her in the head with an EMP which weakens the Fury's hold on her:
So her EMP in issue #25 wasn't the first time she'd done that trick?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 29, 2007, 10:47:08 am
No. Here is another scan of her taking out an entire roomful of sentinels in the Danger Room with a huge EMP:


(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2852/34146307ef6.th.jpg) (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34146307ef6.jpg)
(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2607/p2ac0.th.jpg) (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p2ac0.jpg)
(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2766/p3mj1.th.jpg) (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3mj1.jpg)



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 29, 2007, 10:52:32 am
I am going to hustle out to my LCS next month and see if I can't get my hands on these specific issues! THANX RUTOG!! You are the recipient of Illumnati love.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 29, 2007, 11:26:47 am
No problem, SI. Anytime. :)

Guys, McDuffie just keeps saying some good stuff!

-----Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds.

Anyway, welcome aboard, why don't you introduce yourself and tells about some comics you DO like?-----

McDuffie, you just keep doing your thing! :D

Ororo has SUB-ATOMIC control of weather phenomena. She can rob energy of Electrons. I have a scan on this thread that ties into this:
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/541/energyworld38nt.th.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld38nt.jpg)

(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5931/energyworld42xc.th.jpg) (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg)

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7905/energyworld57hb.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld57hb.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 04, 2007, 10:51:22 am
Hey Rutog...my girl cousin swears on a mile high stack of Bibles that Carol Danvers--Ms. Marvel--is the ultimate lady h2h combatant in the MU.Given her powers,I didn't dispute that...but I remember a thread awhile ago here wherein a similar question was raised.Now,if Ms. Marvel DIDN'T have the combat knowledge of a whole race of warriors as one of her powers,and she just fought h2h against Storm....how would she fare? Is there some way that we can rank Storm amongst the h2h women in the MU? I always thought that ELEKTRA held it down for the women in the MU as far as h2h was concerned,followed by someone like THE BLACK WIDOW.What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: The Evasive 1 on June 04, 2007, 11:01:34 am
Hey Rutog...my girl cousin swears on a mile high stack of Bibles that Carol Danvers--Ms. Marvel--is the ultimate lady h2h combatant in the MU.Given her powers,I didn't dispute that...but I remember a thread awhile ago here wherein a similar question was raised.Now,if Ms. Marvel DIDN'T have the combat knowledge of a whole race of warriors as one of her powers,and she just fought h2h against Storm....how would she fare? Is there some way that we can rank Storm amongst the h2h women in the MU? I always thought that ELEKTRA held it down for the women in the MU as far as h2h was concerned,followed by someone like THE BLACK WIDOW.What are your thoughts?

I always that Elektra and BW were at the top too. If Carol was supposed to have h2h skills of an entire race of warriors, I haven't really seen any of that. She pretty much just uses her super strength. I would like to see some examples of her putting it down like that as far as h2h skills goes. Until I see different, Elektra, Black Widow and Storm are still in that top tier as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 05, 2007, 09:18:11 pm
Hey Rutog...my girl cousin swears on a mile high stack of Bibles that Carol Danvers--Ms. Marvel--is the ultimate lady h2h combatant in the MU.Given her powers,I didn't dispute that...but I remember a thread awhile ago here wherein a similar question was raised.Now,if Ms. Marvel DIDN'T have the combat knowledge of a whole race of warriors as one of her powers,and she just fought h2h against Storm....how would she fare? Is there some way that we can rank Storm amongst the h2h women in the MU? I always thought that ELEKTRA held it down for the women in the MU as far as h2h was concerned,followed by someone like THE BLACK WIDOW.What are your thoughts?

Storm vs. Ms. Marvel without powers each? lol. That's a good one. Both will fight dirty. Storm has more of a beserker rage. Thing is, Storm was this enormously powerful mutant with the power of a goddess. CC took her powers away and made her the kind of woman who could probably fight Logan to a standstill. Carol is a good fighter as well. Looking at Marvel's top female fighters in H-2-H without powers, I would go with Elektra, Storm, Moondragon, Mantis, and Carol. Psylocke is supposed to be kind of tough, but she's always getting beat up in fights. Kitty is good, but she uses her phasing a lot and I don't know where to put her.  I would not know which order to put the 5 women I listed earlier  though. I would probably put Storm above Carol though. If you get a chance to, read Uncanny 215-216. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on June 09, 2007, 01:36:50 pm
Wow I didn't know Storm had h2h skills he depowerment era is new to me... but along with Elektra and MM and the Widow don't forget the Dragons: Colleen, Misty and the White Tiger
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 10, 2007, 12:04:10 am
Wow I didn't know Storm had h2h skills he depowerment era is new to me... but along with Elektra and MM and the Widow don't forget the Dragons: Colleen, Misty and the White Tiger

Very good point,we shouldn't've overlooked them,or any of the several Black Widows...even the blonde one.I have a BLACK WIDOW MINISERIES wherein they state that there are 27 or so Black Widows.That makes sense,givien the objective of destablizing Mother Russia's enemies and stuff...

...now,shouldn't MANTIS be better than EVERYBODY PERIOD? I never heard of her until somebody pointed out in a VERSUS thread that MANTIS put the SMASH DOWN on a SUPER-POWERED CAP AND THOR AT ONCE...something stupendously unbelievable like that.Now I heard she's the Celestial Madonna or whatever it is...and she's supposed to have some kind of similarity to Storm.Storm can evolve either to or passed her current level or something like that...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 10, 2007, 12:51:56 pm
Storm flies as pure lightning to Doom's castle in Uncanny 145:

(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2396/lightningboltflyqn6.th.jpg) (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightningboltflyqn6.jpg)

Uncanny 185

(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1023/uxm185pg12mo8.th.jpg) (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg12mo8.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/686/uxm185pg13dm3.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg13dm3.jpg)

Notice she can see the sun, water, etc as patterns of energy and they resonate within her being. The tornado that fits in the palm of her hand, etc. She controls all of the forces that patterns the weather as well. This would give her control over the gravity, stars and the entire EM spectrum, moisture, etc. Given the scope that she has been able to alter the planet's ecosystem as well as what she has done in space, other dimensions, etc. she is actually MUCH more powerful at EM and energy control in general that Magneto is by far. He's a joke to her.


Also from Uncanny 185, Storm feels the lightning and it wakes her up:
This further illustrates that she is in control of every energy in the Storm.

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2569/feelinglightningdy3.th.jpg) (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feelinglightningdy3.jpg)


Feeling a shift in time-space (bet you guys thought I missed this, but I wanted to wait till I got some other stuff for her feeling things to do a post on it!):

Feeling a shift in Space-Time

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8438/blackp1tf7.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackp1tf7.jpg)
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1892/blackp2br7.th.jpg) (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackp2br7.jpg)
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She can shape the energies that compose empty space as a sculptress does clay. It would make sense that she has an attunement to it as well. She controls the forces that compose and govern whatever reality she is in. In the "Trion" arc, we saw her mend a tear in the time/space continuum because she controlled the forces that composed it there as shown here:

http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion5xx6.jpg

We know that she also controls the forces that compose space here as well. She has only to do something similar in our dimension given that BP scan as well as this one:
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?...ightning6jz.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 10, 2007, 07:32:09 pm
And just because I feel like it:

In the last couple of issues of X-Factor prior to the beginning for "Mutant X" where Havok was sucked to another reality, Polaris did an EMP that covered a meer 50 yards to knock out some Mandroids. Pulling this stunt completely tapped her out of power and she could not even stand. She had to crawl on the ground afterwards. Storm effortlessly did an EMP which covered the entire Danger Room in Uncanny 444 which wiped out all the sentinels in the Danger Room and was smiling afterwards as shown here:

http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3mj1.jpg

I have not seen Lorna do any EMP more impressive than the one she did in that X-Factor issue so it cannot be considered PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity).
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 10, 2007, 07:49:43 pm
In Uncanny 164, Ororo senses the Brood embreyo in her and its origins:

(http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/254/brood1ri4.th.jpg) (http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brood1ri4.jpg)
(http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/7152/brood3su6.th.jpg) (http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brood3su6.jpg)

Here is something from Uncanny 118:

(http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9525/earthquakesj9.th.jpg) (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=earthquakesj9.jpg)

She can detect all natural occurances. However, one thing I would like to note here is she should have felt Moses Magmum pulling this as he was releasing energy into the earth itself. She can sense movement in the atmosphere as well as in the ocean. She has been able to track Vendicator down by sensing the energy he left in the air upon his passing. She should have been able to sense the energy being emitted into the earth by magmum which triggered the quake.

Tracking Vendicator:
http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?...m121pg031nv.jpg

Feeling movement in water:

http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?...current21af.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 10, 2007, 08:14:18 pm
Here is something I posted earlier in the thread that a scientist who is a Storm fan said about Ororo:

2. As I mentioned before, Storm's powers mostly likely work through some sort of manipulation of the fluidic spectrum (Fluid Dynamics). It was posited, a very long time ago, that the inner portions of the Earth were large caverns with heavey drafts and wind tunnels. This was the supposed cause of earthquakes. We now know that that is NOT the case! Earthquakes are NOT caused by underearth wind storms nor are they caused by seismic waves! Seismic waves are essentially the result of earthquakes and not their cause. Scientist measure seismic waves to determine an earthquake's tirangulation and intensity. Earthquakes are most commonly caused by geologic tectonic activity. Massive land plates "floating" over a seething hot flowing mantle. The tension of these plates interacting with one another are the fundamental causes of geologic (land/rock) disturbances. In general, what allows the wind to blow is heat. Most know that hot things rise and cold things sink, this is the fundamental idea of a fluid (trust me, there's a lot more to it like viscosity, ductility, conductivity, etc.) but we'll stick to that. Under the proper conditions, solids behave like liquids (ever seen molten lava or sand in an hour glass?). Storm has access to an array of fluid control and should be able to cause the flow the mantle hundreds of miles deep within the Earth, this could cause an earthquake. Unfortunately, I think she lacks the understanding and technique to do it and the skill for exact precision. If she's off, even just a little, we're talking huge consequences!


His last two sentences are off. Storm would have that kind of understanding and technique for that kind of precision. Here are some scans:

Lets start with the one I just did above:
http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=earthquakesj9.jpg

Here, Storm tells Torch that she can command ALL of the forces of nature:

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch8yw.jpg

Here, the narration tells us that Storm can control all of the planet's myriad, elemental forces:

http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail24oe.jpg

And here, she makes an earthquake ;):

http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thatearthquarkthing1hq.jpg

Therefore, Storm should be able to control lava flows. Crystal creates earthquakes by controlling the rocks within the earth itself on a molecular level and causes them to break or move as desired. Storm can imitate that as well as she has control over atoms and subatomic particles which would give her Crystal's molecular control and even better than Crystal!

Atomic control:

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg

Sub-atomic control:

http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg

-----Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds. -McDuffie

Then you also have this:
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page17np5.jpg



And lets not forget how she can create clothing out of thin air!







Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 12, 2007, 11:43:29 am
How Storm's powers work:

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page16sw4.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page17np5.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ext5pg12va2.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ext5pg13me0.jpg


It actually has some scientific merit.

The universe is purely electrical/electromagnetic. This may explain how her powers are expanded to the some of places we have seen. Here is more from the scientist:


"If the term universe is generally referring to the visible masses, then there is also an invisible universe of forces or energies, because the universe is made of both mass and energy, and since these two only components are mutually convertible they possesses equal potentials. Mass is the visible body of the universe, while energy is the invisible force that makes the universe alive. If the universe was started with just a mass called Singularity, followed by a colossal bang, then it would be more important to explain where came the colossal energy to make the bang. Traditionally cosmological theories always seemed to refer to the beginning of universe as the beginning of visible mass only, and little or no mention about the origin of energy.... So, where does energy come from? What is its origin? What is energy in the first place? The multimillion dollar question here is like the chicken and egg, only it's mass and energy instead. So of the two which comes first? Or, which can exist alone without the other? Let's take mass for instance. Well, the mass is made of atoms and atoms are made of internal constituents or particles bonded together by atomic force. This means mass requires bonding energy to exist. Then around 1920s to1930s scientists like Carl Anderson and Paul Dirac discovered antiparticles, and reported that when particle and antiparticle collide they will both be annihilated, leaving behind only a shower of Gamma Rays or just pure energy. Besides, vacuum too is a pure energy, but of negative nature. So, pure energy can exist without mass. In that case, if the start of universe was said to be a mass, then why shouldn't it be energy as well? In fact, it's much more likely to be energy than mass, because out of two, only energy can exist alone and cannot be further reduced..."

"Now when millions of suns and planets crash in a congested area, the explosions would resemble billions of the greatest atom bombs imaginable. The violence would reduce the masses to their very fundamentals. Yet that's not all!. The momentum of the traveling mixture of mass and energy cannot stop. It would continue to grind everything in that colossal galactic milling machine. So, at some point in the central region of galaxies there will be a sudden release of all atomic forces, i.e. the Strong and Weak Nuclear Forces, which have previously bounded the atoms together. It should be noted that at this point no Black Hole could conceivably exist at the center of any galaxy, because of two reasons. Firstly, the crushing of masses would turn them into energies, allowing no stars to exist intact (long before they get near the center) to collapse into a Black Hole Singularity. Instead, they must explode and throw masses outwards. Secondly, all masses would be turned into energies only, no mass means no gravitation, and no gravitation means no Gravitational Black Hole."

"At any rate, eventually the galactic center would reach an extremely hot primordial condition where mass is at its minimum and energy at its maximum, then finally even last atoms of mass will be turned into pure energy only. This central area is now hottest and most pressurized spot anywhere in the whole universe, due to continued milling and built up of temperatures. This is the spot where energies are trying to get out, and nothing can get in... This is also all 4 forces of interaction are stripped out of their interactions and are reduced to their true fundamentals.....

"Don't forget events in nature are always powered by energy. Energy is the boss, because the mass is inert and inactive, only energy is active and initiative. Mass is the body, while energy is life and spirit!.. Although nature is said to have four Forces of Interaction, namely Strong Nuclear force, Weak Interaction force, Electromagnetic force and Gravitation, three of them may be stripped out of existence when mass is converted into pure energy. So, it appears that all these forces have a common origin, i.e. the electromagnetism, which has dual properties, namely the electrical property and the magnetic property....Why? Well, within each atom of all matters, there are positive and negative electric charges (protons and electrons, and there can be magnetic energy in mass too, like a piece of permanent magnet). Electric charges in motion can induce magnetic moments, whilst magnetism can also induce electricity. Both electric charge and magnetic moment are fundamental properties of elementary atomic mass. They are also the fundamental properties of electromagnetic waves (as the name implies), which pervade the entire cosmic space. Therefore, the duel natures of electricity and magnetism are both fundamental to mass and energy, because they are present in the complete universal realm that contains mass and energy. Now, if mass may be converted to energy (at the galactic center) and energy may be reduced to only electric charge and magnetic moment, then the most fundamental of nature or the origin of universe has to be electromagnetism or just energy alone. Within this theory we will show that electromagnetic force in waves can reach every part of the universe by mutual interference. We know it expands the universe, but in fact it also unifies the entire universe under its wave transmission, and it regenerates it. The unification of universe will be described in a separate page
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 12, 2007, 11:45:22 am
More from him:

Based on the aforementioned comic scans, I think that Storm's abilities are based upon the manipulation of fluids. In fluid mechanics, solids can behave like fluids under certain circumstances (tectonic actvity), obviously liquids and gases are fluids, hence Storms easy ability to manipulate those elements. Plasma, highly ionized matter that is similar to a gas and has differential electromagnetic potential, is also part of fluid mechanic theory. See wikipedias article on Fluid Mehanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_mechanics).

Thanks for the welcome! Yeah, I think it's pretty cool actually. Linking the science with the activity within the comic.

In principal, it makes the most sense. Her demonstrated ability to manipulate the atmosphere and ocean currents, and the comic hinting at her possibly controling the production of earthquakes, the first thing that popped in my head was fluid manipulation on a massive scale. It also seems she has some ability to control the electromagnetic force, one of the four fundamental forces of the universe, though she doesn't have the skill of Magneto. But that doesn't mean she doesn't have the raw power to pull off many of the feats he has done in the past. I know it was mentioned, one time or another, that Storm was supposed to reverse the Earth's magnetic field in reponse to Magneto's emminet threat. The writters chose to nix the idea because it would have required Storm sacrificing her life. I know many people, on other forums, like to compare the power levels of Storm and Magneto, and often bring this issue up (his reversing the magnetic field). But what they don't realize is that Magneto used a device to pull this feat off. He used one of his mechanations to contract solar particles to fuse with his device, which he then used his powers to change Earth's Magnetic field. So it wasn't even his own base power!

I also know that many people often confuse what Magneto's powers are. He has the ability to psionically manipulate ferrous materials and to generate magnetic fields. It is important to know that magnetic fields does not equate to the entire electromagnetic energy spectrum, especially on Earth, as the inter-stellar medium requires not ferrous material to generate magnetic fields, it only requires an electric current.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 12, 2007, 11:46:06 am
More from him:

Is it scientifically possible? As a scientist, I'd have to say that I don't know. However, we can use science to demonstrate a reasonable explanation if she did morph into a wholy elemental being.
I guess the first place I'd start would be bioinformatics, basically biology (and the physical world for that matter) is seen as varying types of "information." In fact, in informatics theory, energy is thought to be just information. That said, there trully aren't any distinguishing characteristics between matter and energy, because it's all information (i.e. a formation of light at varying wavelengths).

Though there is no conclusive evidence as to where conciousness resides, I'd think we'd have to assume that it is a physical form (that is it has to be in the universe or at least some hyperspacial form coexisting with the material universe), but that's a whole other story about superstrings, quarks, gluons, and bunch of other stuff you'd need alot of math to wrap your head around. Let's just say it's a part of the body.

Storm has demonstrated control over the "phases" of matter (i.e. gas, liquid, solid, plasma). She has changed water from a gaseous form, to a liquid form, to a solid form on many ocaisions. She has also created lightning, which is plasma. She has also demonstrated some remarkable ability to control her bodily processes that are normally regulated by the body's autonomic nervous system (temperature, mental influence, blood preasure, heart rate, breath rate, etc.).

I think through sheer will and the use of her elemental control over the phases of matter, she should be able to transform into a composite being of solid, liquid, gas, and plasma, regualted by a psiobiomagnetic aura (think of a very colorful cloud, like in aurora borealis, with swirling material of intermitten phases, in the "shape" of a humanoid female). In this form, she'd emit allot of light and other electromagnetic phenomena (information).

As for the other questions, I come from Santa Cruz, CA (Home of UCSC!) and I found this site through a friend of mine who knows how much I think Storm kicks you know what!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 12, 2007, 01:55:07 pm
Restores her life-essence with elemental phenomena(namely lightning)

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8608/lifeessencehd4.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lifeessencehd4.jpg)
(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6344/lifeessence2kb9.th.jpg) (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lifeessence2kb9.jpg)
(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4745/lifeessence3au7.th.jpg) (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lifeessence3au7.jpg)

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3197/notimmunelikestormpm8.th.jpg) (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=notimmunelikestormpm8.jpg)

She cannot be directly harmed by the elements and ALL it's manifestations.

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5216/thurtherkf7.th.jpg) (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thurtherkf7.jpg)
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4924/thurther2of4.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thurther2of4.jpg)

Okay, guys, I am going to do a strong summation post on Storm's bond with the Earth and how it relates to her immunity to weather and her unity with life in all its forms and some of what that entails. For right now, here are just some of the scans I am going to use in conjunction with earlier scans in the thread. I don't have scans for everything, but I have the issue numbers memorized. I will simply document the issue number if I don't have a scan for it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 13, 2007, 02:17:11 pm
During the Lobdell, X-Men Unlimited issue 1 was written. In that story, he tried to establish two things:

1) Storm's body is not immune to temperature variation, but changes temperature opposite of her surrounds to compensate. He then put a limit on this by having her fry her system when flying through a blizzard.  ::)

2) She can only alter weather over limited areas and that a continent is way to much for her. He said that she could not alter weather over the entire continent of Antarctica because its too big.

Handbooks that have came out since then have all stated now that Storm's body changes temperature to compensate for her surroundings. Furthermore, the handbooks during the Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle era stated that she can only alter weather over limited areas.  ::) >:(


These people ignored continuity.

Storm cannot be directly harmed by the elements or any of its manifestations as stated here in Uncanny 168:

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thurtherkf7.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thurther2of4.jpg

The reason the elements affected her like that in those panels is because she had just returned to Earth from a stay of MONTHS in space. When Storm goes to a new planet, etc, there is a period of adjustment she has to go through to get attuned to the planet's life-force and ecosystem. Her ability to perceive life, manipulate the elements and her immunity to the elements is dependent on this unity she has. We saw this in the "STorm" mini that came out in the 90s when she was transported to "The Hill" dimension. She saw this in the original "Secret Wars" with the Beyonder. This was also shown in other story arcs.

Storm's unity with life itself gives her the ability to even communicate with plants.

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109028gs.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109036ro.jpg

However, after her long stay out in space, she had to get readjusted to Earth and her unity with life on this planet was off kilter for a bit. See the scan here:

feeling a tree.

(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/3777/livinwu5.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livinwu5.jpg)

However, by Uncanny 185, this is obviously restored to a degree as seen in that scan where Storm allowed Rogue to borrow her powers for a bit here:

http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg12mo8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg13dm3.jpg

After this all though, she was able to bond with planets and all MUCH faster than than this. Heck, even before then, in the Galactic Core, she was able to bond with the core immediately and summon its full power.


Here is that Lobdell issue that writes Storm down:

(http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2477/storm9eq.th.jpg) (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=storm9eq.jpg)

(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/694/storm23ma.th.jpg) (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=storm23ma.jpg)

(http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6049/storm31px.th.jpg) (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=storm31px.jpg)

Now, here is Uncanny 121:

(http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/8240/uxm121pg145yd.th.jpg) (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm121pg145yd.jpg)

Notice here that she alters the weather over the entire North American continent (which is MUCH larger than Antarctica). However, she first flies to the point where the air was so thin and cold that a normal human would perish in seconds. She then channels the blizzard *through* her body to the top of the atmosphere and has no problems whatsoever with this stuff. Her body did not change temperature here to compensate because her body is immune to temperature variation and climate. This fact was stated in a story where Storm went swimming at the mansion nude. Nightcrawler came in and was caught by surprise. Unfortunately, I do not recall the issue where this was stated. :( However, the scan I provided from Uncanny 168 states that she cannot be directly harmed by the elements (which is even better as it includes this). However, in Storm: The Arena, we see it brought up once again that Storm is immune to the elements (Note: this story comes after the Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle era which limited Storm to a mere resistance!): :D

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=notimmunelikestormpm8.jpg

She has also held within her body the full electrical power of a storm. Let me throw some facts at ya. Lava gets no hotter than 4000 degrees F. The surface of the sun is 11,000 degrees F. The average lightning bolt is about 55,000-60,000 degrees F. A positively charged lightning bolt is hundreds of times more powerful than a regular one. A hurricane carries enough power at any given moment to power the US for 6 months. Storm can hold in her body the full electrical power of a storm. Imagine the temperatures of all of that power/energy concentrated in the space of a human body! She had no problems with that either.

As a matter of fact, in these scans, she replinishes her lifeforce with elemental phenomena (in this caseby summoning down lightning upon herself) which also overwhelms the antagonist sucking the life force from her body:

http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lifeessencehd4.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lifeessence3au7.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lifeessence2kb9.jpg



Imagine the temperatures in her body when she flew into the galactic core and absorbed the energies of millions of stars which was all condenced in her body to form one star that was the sum of the core here:

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6445/stormandthegalaticcore15zq.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandthegalaticcore15zq.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg)

This stunt left out in deep space unprotected as it destroyed her space-ship. She can only survive a few minutes out in space unaided as it was established between Uncanny 160 and 165 (one of those issues). This stunt came from Uncanny 165. In Uncanny 166, we see her floating aimlessly in deep space in the last moments of her life when the Acanti find her and heal her. Here is the scan in Uncanny 166 that gives a flashback to what happened after this scene in 165:

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen198302uncannyxmen16ck3.jpg

One more, no problem with the temperatures of MILLIONS of stars! :D

Now other stories to refute Storm being able to alter the ecosystem over limited areas include as she controls it over VAST areas include:

2) Jen's favorite Black Panther issue (BP 15) where the two lovers are enjoying each other in the plane and the weather across the African continent is altered due to Ororo's emotions (Africa is MUCH larger than even North America!)

3) In "House of M," Storm permanently alters the weather across Africa to make it furtile and improve the economy drastically. The Handbook during this time states that she can alter weather over vast areas!

4) X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7 where she stops a continent-sized hurricane cold.

5) In the 1991 80 page Winter Special from Marvel, Storm blocks solar flares from the sun that would have wiped out the entire planet by altering the entire planets ecosystem while also tapping into a machine that only shoots gamma rays and pulling out enough gamma rays to envelop the planetwhile at the same time using the energies from the Earth on a global level together to form a gamma-shield to block the sun blasts here:

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7961/elementalcosmicturbulence5px.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7356/elementalcosmicturbulence20af.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9015/elementalcosmicturbulence35qd.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8787/elementalcosmicturbulence47at.jpg


I posted this earlier in the thread on page 7, but I think it is appropriate to add it here:


Somebody also asked me why Storm sometimes struggles to dispel a hurricane.

Here is the answer to that question:

That is because she holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

([url]http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5886/undergroundmosoon6lj.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon6lj.jpg[/url])

([url]http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4089/undergroundmosoon28eh.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon28eh.jpg[/url])

This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem. (However, sometimes she just speaks directly to the storm and commands it to disperse and it does instantly. lol)

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

Now, I did not say this, but there are stories where Ororo alters weather on a HUGE scale. For instance, even before she joined the X-Men, she dispersed a hemisphere-sized hurricane in "X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7." She has altered weather on a continental scale more than once and globally as well.

Storm is reluctant to impose her will on natural hurricanes since that is the natural order of things. She could disperse them, of course, but it could trigger an equally devistating disaster. 



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 15, 2007, 08:21:09 pm
Okay, so now you guys know why I have stated on this board that Storm is one with life itself in all its forms (including plants, living beings, planets and stars). So far, we have seen her assimilate the life force of stars and planets. It would cool if this was sometimes used to maybe locate a person, etc. I mean, everyone has a life-force aura about them and each would be uniquely different. Ororo could probably concentrate on trying to pinpoint a specific aura to locate someone.

My scan kinda messed up on this scan in the earlier page, so I will redo it:

Here, we see where Scott is under mind control by Candra in X-Men issue 60, he shoots his beams at Ororo (which travel at the speed of light) in machine gun fashion and Storm flips through every one of them:


(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1964/dodgingnb4.th.jpg) (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodgingnb4.jpg)


(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/277/unstablemoleculesft1.th.jpg) (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unstablemoleculesft1.jpg)

](http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7798/xmen06004qd3.th.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen06004qd3.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 18, 2007, 01:55:53 pm
Powerless Storm vs. Crimson Commado in H-2-H combat:

http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingass2he7.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickingass3hp7.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crimson3pw8.jpg
Crimson Commando is like Captian America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Commando
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 19, 2007, 07:54:43 am
Those scans were for you, SI. :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 26, 2007, 10:39:23 am
Sensing the Brood life within her and its origins.

(http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/254/brood1ri4.th.jpg) (http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brood1ri4.jpg)
(http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/7152/brood3su6.th.jpg) (http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brood3su6.jpg)

And I just thought to add a post I did in the "Hudlin Request" thread here eventhough it has nothing to do with the scans above (which I meant to use in the fourth post on this page, but forgot to include them there. It would have been better placed there, but there is just SO much info on Storm that its hard to always remember everything all at once...but I sure try. ;) ) :

Powerful characters are always weakened for Magneto for some reason. I addressed this scan I am about to post on the first page of the "Storm" thread, but I am going to punch even more holes into it:


http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?i...magneto32dx.jpg
http://img276.imageshack.us/my.php?...magneto40hw.jpg

Okay. As you can read right there in the scans stated very plainly, the only reason Storm was hurt by the bolt was because she was caught off guard by it. In other words, she was not controlling it. As a matter of fact, she was taking pity on Magneto and trying to convince him to stop fighting as she did not want to hurt him anymore while he was choking and all on the floor. So, he put a magnetic field above Ororo to attract a bolt from the sky. (This is like Franklin trying to attract a bolt from the sky by using metal which attracts electricity. Magnetic fields can attract it too.) The bolt caught her off guard as it was filtered through her body so he could absorb it (We have never seen MAgneto take a bolt from the sky. Earlier in the issue when he absorbed lightning from Storm, they came from her hands. Obviously, as depicted in the scans above and in previous fights, she's only willing to go so far to hurt him. Magneto may not be able to handle a bolt from the sky because while electricity can enhance a magnetic field and create one, it can also disrupt it.) Storm tried to wrest control of the bolt from Magneto AFTER she was badly hurt and the bolt was killing her. Storm's control over the lightning greatly diminishes when she is physically hurt as this has been established in other arcs. Despite being severely weakened when she tried to assert control over the bolt, she was still able to put up a fight for the bolt. This really shows that Magneto's control over electricity is limited at best and far below a full-health Storm (which we all should know anyway).

Okay, now, here is why this whole thing is PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity):

http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?...rthquakesj9.jpg

According to this scan, Storm can detect all natural occurances before they happen. That includes lightning. All Magneto did was create a field to motivate the lightning to strike where he wanted it to. Storm should have sensed the bolt before it struck and been prepared.

Now, you may want to argue that she was so engrossed in trying to get Magneto to back down out of pity that she was caught off-guard (I'm sure this is what CC had in mind, but this does not work and now I will show you why):

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/686/uxm185pg13dm3.jpg

While Storm was unconscious owing to a vampiric touch from Rogue (Storm allowed Rogue to touch her), she was able to still feel the lightning strikes. So, in other words, she really wasn't paying attention since she was knocked out by the touch. Storm is automatically one with these things and can innately feel them without trying.

Then you have this scan:
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?...hurther2of4.jpg

Here, you have Storm sensing shifts in the EM fields:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2246/blackpanther30dcp0031i.jpg


Storm cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of the elements. This includes lightning. This is a character who has brought lightning down on herself time and again and has even contained in her body the full electrical power of a storm all at once. This was in her VERY first appearance. In other words, from the get go, these forces could not hurt her.

BTW, if you want to know why those things affected her in this scan as they did, I explained it on page 10 of the "Storm" thread the fourth post down. It goes back to her bond with the Earth and all. However, for the sake of this post, it is unnecessary to go there as it will not help MAgneto at all.

AS in the case with the Phoenix/MAgneto fight, Storm was written down here for the sake of trying to make MAgneto a credible threat. It falls flat on its face when taking into consideration the whole of Storm's canon and the PIS rule.

Magneto can attract a bolt from the sky by using a magnetic field to motivate it. However, we give Storm her credit. She is immune. Therefore, her ability nullify's MAgneto's ability to hurt her in this way.

I really don't have any respect for Magneto as a villian, guys. This is why in that Storm thread I have done several posts tearing him down. Powerful characters like Storm and Phoenix-possessed Jean are constantly having to be written down for him to fight. Either their power levels are written down or too many aspects of their powers are written out since it would too well counter his limited arsenal of attacks.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on July 06, 2007, 12:57:09 pm
Storm is awsome.
I think it's about time someboy wrotre her and the use of her powers more creatively.
The "Electron rip-n'-shove" given to us by Mr. McDuffie should continue to be part of her power set.

By ripping Electrons, she could dismantle shields and matter.

For that matter, is there any reason that she CAN'T create weather in somebody's force feild?

She won't do it in thier bodies (yet), becuase that would probably kill them, and she dosen't want to kill people (yet).

I think it would be cool to have her split in two.

Thanks to the Ancient and evil wizard Heka Nut, her Bloodlusted side becomes it's own entity, and takes on her "Darker" form (claws and fangs with Red tatoos)

We could call her Shadow Storm, Shadow Sister, or however "Twisted" translates in Swahilli.

This could be the villan we've been waiting for. She can counter all of Ororo's powers, and is relentless in the use of hers.

This could force Queen 'Ro to delve into her mystical background.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 06, 2007, 03:48:54 pm
Well, she has been able to use her powers through Jean Grey's and Sue Richard's force-fields in canon. I think she should do this more often. :)

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on July 07, 2007, 05:08:56 pm
Question: what is Storm's "secondary mutation" if she has one?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 09, 2007, 08:55:11 pm
Question: what is Storm's "secondary mutation" if she has one?

She doesn't have one. Also, I don't see what she could gain from one. Given what her powerset is and what is full potential is, at the height of her mutation, she could very well do anything she can imagine.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on July 10, 2007, 06:24:08 am
Question: what is Storm's "secondary mutation" if she has one?

At first I thought her ability to see energy was her secondary mutation.

But after further review I realized that she always saw things in terms of energy (as explained by Rouge, when Storm let her borrow her powers).

If she did have a secondary mutation it should be something dealing with her Will Power.

Her secondary mutation should eighther make her immune to psi, or manifest itself as increased durability.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on July 15, 2007, 05:16:16 pm
...or a secondary mutation could be to be able to become an energy form of some kind like that lighting blast pic a bit back or like Captain Monica...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: wgreason on July 16, 2007, 05:29:12 am

I understand the catalog of Storm's abilities, but is she particularly vulnerable to anything (besides being written down by comics authors)?

 :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 17, 2007, 02:36:33 pm

I understand the catalog of Storm's abilities, but is she particularly vulnerable to anything (besides being written down by comics authors)?

 :)


Well, I'll say this: only an idiot of a psi or elemental would challenge Storm. Her metabolism can use elemental energies to make her more powerful. She's also immune to the elements and she can channel them through her body harmlessly. Even the heat extremes and radiations found in even the core of stars can't hurt her.

As far as psis are concerned, a telepath's only hope to beat Ororo would be to catch her sleeping or something like that. Even then, her natural willpower and fighting spirit is so strong that they would still have a difficult time with it. This is canon. If she is awake, the electrical energies she channels will fry the mind of any telepath foolhardy enough to attempt an assault on her/enter her mind without her permission. She can also defend herself well against telekinetics and her powers actually give her an advantage over them. She can use her powers through force-fields, including TK fields, and while a telekinetic must always maintain concentration to maintain any TK power usage, Storm can summon up a storm and ignore it and will continue on its own until it runs out of steam or she decides to stop it. There have been cases where she whips up storms and has been rendered unconscious. Yet, the storm continues to blow until it runs out of energy. In other words, a TK will always have to expend energy to try and block out Storm's attacks with their force-field and then will have to have enough power and concentration to spare to attempt a counter-attack. Meanwhile, Storm will not have to be constantly expending concentration and energy to maintain a perpetual attack on the TK. Nature will do that for her. All she has to do is give it a push. At the same time, she can erect a protective electrical field around herself which will block TK energies. Therefore, a TK would not be able to reach inside of her and crush her heart or break a bone. In order to do this, they have to project their energies in your body. Storm can block those energies as we saw in her fight against Candra, a very powerful telekinetic who can affect matter down to a molecular level, in the first page of this thread. Storm has the advantage in that she doesn't have to project energy to control the elements. She has a unity with them. This is why, for instance, she was able to control the elements through Sue Richard's force-field yet Jean Grey, when trapped in Sue's force-field, could not project her TK through it.

Look at these scan:
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9660/thepoweroflightning1ld7.th.jpg) (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thepoweroflightning1ld7.jpg)

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7365/thepoweroflightning2dx5.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thepoweroflightning2dx5.jpg)

Storm can pull lightning out of a cloudless sky. This means she can pull lightning out of the air molecules around her. This is similar to what she did to Silver Surfer out in space. In other words, she could very easily start a lightning bolt right on her target or even fry them from the inside out by exciting the electrons in their lungs, etc.

If you want to know who can give Storm a fight, look at Proteus. Storm vs. Proteus would be good. Proteus can sculpt reality like a sculpter does clay. Storm can control the forces that govern and compose the universe as a sculptress does clay. If he tries to take control of her body in his reality stuff, she could technically fight him by taking control over her own body (and the surrounding area) on a sub-atomic level. It could come down to a test of wills here.

I'm hoping that maybe Hudlin consider African mythology for the title and use some of those characters to battle the duo. Thor fights villains from Norse mythology in his title. Being married to Storm means that now antagonists of enormous power can be used in the BP title. It really opens up lots of different possibilities here. :) Villains at those levels tend to have great mystical power and would be able to give Storm a fight.

I think the current stories running through Black Panther and Fantastic Four are good as well as it pits Storm against cosmic threats.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 21, 2007, 06:55:15 pm
In "Marvel Adventures: Giant-Sized Avengers" this week, Storm creates a time vortex out of thin air which enables time travel. Originally, when Kang shows up, she comments on how the time portal/warp feels like an atmospheric anomally.

(http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1553/giantsizematheavengers1gi1.th.jpg) (http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1gi1.jpg)

In a future panel, Storm actually controls it so that she and her team can now travel through it and time travel.


Kang's Space/Time manipulations are electrical, so Storm can affect them.

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3958/giantsizematheavengers1dt5.th.jpg) (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1dt5.jpg)
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8620/giantsizematheavengers1lm0.th.jpg) (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1lm0.jpg)

Later on, when another time vortex needed to be created for people of the present to communicate with those of the past, she created a time vortex out of thin air by manipulating the elements.

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2325/giantsizematheavengers1bc7.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1bc7.jpg)

Okay, here is a previous post I did, but I am going to paste it here to tie it all together:

Feeling a shift in Space-Time

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8438/blackp1tf7.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackp1tf7.jpg)
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1892/blackp2br7.th.jpg) (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackp2br7.jpg)
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1018/blackp3mz2.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackp3mz2.jpg)

Time and space are one. She can shape the energies that compose empty space as a sculptress does clay. It would make sense that she has an attunement to it as well. She controls the forces that compose and govern whatever reality she is in. In the "Trion" arc, we saw her mend a tear in the time/space continuum because she controlled the forces that composed it there as shown here:

http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion5xx6.jpg

We know that she also controls the forces that compose space here as well. She has only to do something similar in our dimension given that BP scan as well as this one:
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?...ightning6jz.jpg


Hudlin, McDuffie, is there any chance we can see a story arc where Storm faces a time-travelling villian where they have to chase him down through the time and space continuum or maybe across dimensions so we can see more of this power with Storm? :D

Maybe she can get the team home from those frogs? Also, if the frogs are sentient, it would really be cool if Storm just kind of kicks herself (not literally, lol) for not noticing the life-energies/aura within the frogs that would have told her earlier. Of course, she hasn't had time yet to study the frogs...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 21, 2007, 07:49:30 pm
Remember those scans with Storm vs. the Trion on page 7 of this thread and how she single-handedly defeated them? Here is more information about the Trion:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/tripevil.htm#TRION

The fight is the 12th post down on this page:
http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.90
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 21, 2007, 10:00:23 pm
omg omg omg...your uberdetective skillz seems to indicate that STORM has virtually LIMITLESS powers.Manipulating the energies comprising time and space? What is it that she CAN'T do? Do you think she can take THE SENTRY?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 22, 2007, 01:01:47 pm
omg omg omg...your uberdetective skillz seems to indicate that STORM has virtually LIMITLESS powers.Manipulating the energies comprising time and space? What is it that she CAN'T do? Do you think she can take THE SENTRY?



Storm's powers are limited only to the force of her will and body. This is canon. The body limitation is only temporary as we saw in the "Twelve" story arc where she evolved into a wholly elemental being,"Roguestorm" in Uncanny 145-147 and X-Treme X-Men issue 5, she will evolve and transcend humanity and evolve into a true Goddess. Furthermore, it is her own humanity and a simple desire to not have ultimate power right now that keeps her power in check and keeps her from shedding her humanity. In essense, Ororo's power is truly limited only to her imagination.

Can Storm beat the Sentry? Of course she can. Storm controls the forces that compose and govern the universe (this is true of whatever reality she is in). She can potentially wield this power on an unlimited cosmic scale when she sheds her humanity. SI, this is why I have been going on and on about a story idea where Storm evolves into Omegastorm to defeat the Phoenix-possessed Jean Grey, the White Phoenix of the Crown, gone mad to Dark Phoenix and permanently ending the threat. If Sentry has moisture/liquids inside of him, Storm should be able to control that. If he has a bioelectric or magnetic field, Ororo should be able to control that. If push came to shove and hurling with and lightning and temperature and trying to suffocate him and other similar attacks  does not work and Storm decided to really be ruthless (and she would especially with the proper motivation), she could probably hurl him into a time portal and send him to another point in time or manipulate the energies of empty space to transport him some other place in the universe light years away or maybe even off into another dimension or trap him in a sort of limbo, a desolate place in-between dimensions. She could  even attack him directly on a subatomic level. She's already done this to Stardust, a herald of Galactus.  While the Sentry, for his benefit, has vastly untapped psionic powers, I know that telepathy is not a very effective power at all to challenge Storm with for reasons already explored in many posts in this thread already. If his TK turns out to be cosmic in scope, he may be able to affect matter on a subatomic level as well which means he could at least try to put up a defense against Ororo if she tried attacking him directly at this level. He would have to be a Phoenix level TK if he is going to go up against Ororo though and it may still not be enough. However, she has way too many other aspects of her powers. She can most likely do anything she can conceive of. She's just too versatile for him, in my opinion.

If Marvel wants to bill Sentry as being the most powerful hero, that's cool. However, whynot bill Ororo as being the most powerful heroine? He's the most powerful male hero, she's the most powerful female hero. The reason I think she can beat Sentry is she wields the forces of nature. Essentially, she could bend all forces in the universe to her will. Sentry doesn't seem to have those kinds of resources or any resources that can compete with that that I can gather.

Remember, the Trion is the sum of an entire universe. They are the very forces that govern and compose that universe given form and is the sum of its past, present and future. Storm's mutant ability allows her to tap into and control whatever the forces that govern whatever universe she is in. The fact that she was able to overwhelm the Trion's control over the forces (and even had the power to destroy them, as it was stated in those scans) shows the degree of power and control she is capable of. She should be able to wield that power on the same scale with the forces of this universe or whichever one she is in. Remember, Jean-Possessed Phoenix rebooted the universe. The Phoenix Force is life and the sum of all the psionic energy of all sentient beings in the universe. It is the spark that ignites creation and the flame that consumes it. Storm's power is a unity with all life. It fuels her powers and gives her spiritual and physical sustenance. Therefore, the Phoenix Force really should only be able to empower Ororo. If Ororo's powers potentially have no limits, and they do not, she could possibly devour or destroy the PF.

Anyway, I went on about this here: http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1803.0 . This puts Storm on a whole other level from the Sentry. I think her powers are too potent and too versatile for the Sentry to handle. She can control the elements down to the subatomic level. I have posted scans from McDuffie's run in the FF in this thread where she is controlling hydrogen atoms directly as seen here: http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg.   Sub atomic here: http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg("-----Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds. -McDuffie), here: http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg (notice that nobody in the water is electrocuted by Storm's stunt here. This means that Ororo is exercising control over the electrons themselves) and here:  http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld57hb.jpg.  In essense, she should be able to control all forms of matter and energy. Her powers should not stop just short of matter manipulation. Every now and again, we see glimpses of this like when she created clothing out of thin air. Claremont established that Storm can sculpt the energy of empty space like a sculptress does clay. Hudlin added more depth to it when he had her able to feel the shift in the time/space continuum. Then we saw in the Trion arc where she mended a tear between two universes to prevent them from clashing into each other and destroying each other (and this was after she defeated the Trion which I have gone on at length to express their tremendous power).  This issue shows her controlling space as she commands the energies that forms walls between one dimenion and another. Now there is an issue that shows her exercising power over the time/space continuum to time travel. She should have been doing these things as what Claremont stated about her controlling the energy that compose stars, planets and even empty space has been in cannon for nearly 30 years.

In short, we have only seen a fraction of what Storm can do. I would just like to see one HUGE arc that shows what Storm can really do and gives Ororo her due not shortchanging her for anything.

All of this long post said, I must digress. I have not read much with Sentry, however, from what I have seen and heard of him, he doesn't have the kinds of resources it would take to beat out Storm.

Here are some scans paralleling in canon the power of Storm and the Phoenix Force that I posted on an earlier page:

Now, to establish the power of the Phoenix Force which Storm's potential equals:


](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8828/xmtdps150ep7.th.jpg) (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps150ep7.jpg)

So the power of the PF is second only to the Creator.


Remember how the interview said "the bird effect"?

(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/337/xmtdps054iy4.th.jpg) (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps054iy4.jpg)

"Her Power is a song within her"

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5163/xmtdps055qb3.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps055qb3.jpg)

Also....beyond HUMAN comprehension

"Her power SINGS within her"

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/453/omegapotentail51qe.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail51qe.jpg)

"Evolved beyond ALL COMPREHENSION"

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6052/omegapotentail6vg.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail6vg.jpg)

Hope this helps and answers your question, SI.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 22, 2007, 01:27:02 pm
Notice here in New Mutants issue 75, it takes "all Magneto had" to overload Shaw.

Sebastian Shaw's Mutant ability is to absorb Kinetic energy and thusly increase his strength.

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1964/newmutants075181sq.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutants075181sq.jpg)

Whereas here, a rogue Bolt from a Storm that grew from a weather effect Emma created while in Storm's body, nearly kills Shaw instantly in Uncanny 152. Just imagine if Storm, in all her elemental expertise, was guiding and intensifying the bolt or if she were out for blood, lol.

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7154/rawenergytz6.th.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rawenergytz6.jpg)(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/927/shawqq5.th.jpg) (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shawqq5.jpg)

Here are the pages inbetween those two shown as the two above are presented in that order to reflect what happened with Shaw and the bolt. The pages inbetween are posted earlier in this thread, but I will repost them here for continuity's sake to make things as easy as possible to follow. Also, it never gets old watching Storm beating Emma Frost, the White Queen in a fight. :D:

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4168/stormvsemma46rs.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsemma46rs.jpg)

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3610/stormvsemma51ug.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsemma51ug.jpg)


Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 23, 2007, 03:55:41 pm
In "Marvel Adventures: Giant-Sized Avengers" this week, Storm ...


Whether or not this is within Storm's powers, I wouldn't use Marvel Adventures as a source for anything.  In the MA: FF book, the FF had to follow a taxi cab through a portal into the savage land.  Reed picks up and holds the Taxi to the bottom of the FF-car with his arm.  Reed isn't that strong.  On top of that, they are going to fly from the Savage land to NYC that way.  Reed isn't that strong in any universe.  Even if Sue was helping, she couldn't maintain the force field that long either.  But she wasn't helping.

Marvel Adventures tends to be a throw-back to the time they played fast and loose with heroes' powers.

She might do that some day in the MU (doesn't even seem too unlikely for her to take control of Kang's portal as explained) but MA world is as different as Ultimate Universe.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 24, 2007, 11:41:45 am
In "Marvel Adventures: Giant-Sized Avengers" this week, Storm ...


Whether or not this is within Storm's powers, I wouldn't use Marvel Adventures as a source for anything.  In the MA: FF book, the FF had to follow a taxi cab through a portal into the savage land.  Reed picks up and holds the Taxi to the bottom of the FF-car with his arm.  Reed isn't that strong.  On top of that, they are going to fly from the Savage land to NYC that way.  Reed isn't that strong in any universe.  Even if Sue was helping, she couldn't maintain the force field that long either.  But she wasn't helping.

Marvel Adventures tends to be a throw-back to the time they played fast and loose with heroes' powers.

She might do that some day in the MU (doesn't even seem too unlikely for her to take control of Kang's portal as explained) but MA world is as different as Ultimate Universe.

There are a couple of problems with this, KIP. First off, it fits very well in Storm's powers. It has long been established that she controls the energy that composes even empty space. This was stated in the "Brood Saga" in Uncanny 166. She can also sense the time/space continuum as was touched upon recently in Black Panther and has even controlled this when she closed the rift in the time/space continuum between the Trion dimension and another one to prevent their mutual destruction.  This thing she did in MA fits very well in her powerset. So to recap everything in the most simple way:

1) According to Black Panther, she can sense shifts in the time/space continuum.

2) According to Uncanny 166, she can mold the energies that compose empty space.

3) In Uncanny 369, she mended a tear in the time/space continuum (which means that she controlled the energies of time and space) which forms the walls and/or barriers between dimensions in order to preserve both the Trion universe and a neighboring universe from crashing into each other. 

4) Now we have seen her once more control temporal energies. What she did in the issue where she opened the time travel thing is merely manipulate the energies of empty space and the similar to what she did in Uncanny 369 (though the 369 thing was FAR more impressive as she controlled both space and time).

In regards to Reed and Sue are still the same as with Storm's. If they are portrayed weaker in that title, so what? It does not affect the credibility of what Ororo did. This is something Ororo should be been doing a long time ago.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 24, 2007, 05:34:26 pm
Here, Storm comments on how her night vision rivals Wolverine's:

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9987/nightvisionuw4.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nightvisionuw4.jpg)

Here Storm creates two weather effects at the same time intertwined with each other and she also uses her wind powers like Telekenisis snatching Wolverine from Pyro.

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3039/12sz2.th.jpg) (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12sz2.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 24, 2007, 05:44:15 pm
Those scans were for you, SI. :)
 


Thanx for these scans,i showed them to a few friends and cuzns and I really enjoyed them!! Storm is one bad mickey-fickee!! HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 24, 2007, 06:13:52 pm
Phoenix-possessed Jean Grey boosted by Cerebra is unable to probe Ororo's mind even when Storm tries to allow her to:

http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xxm9pg11ab9.jpg

If under attack, Storm can really juice this  up to stop telepaths even greater than Xavier. Bogan was a telepath every bit as powerful as Xavier and he had Rachel's powers added to his own. Rachel is stronger than Emma. When Bogan-possessed Rachel tried to assault Ororo's mind, I have already posted the scan on page one of this thread, but here it goes again:

(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3608/stormvsbogan7kj.th.jpg) (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsbogan7kj.jpg)

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2223/stormvsbogan20lj.th.jpg) (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsbogan20lj.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: wgreason on July 25, 2007, 08:07:51 am

I understand the catalog of Storm's abilities, but is she particularly vulnerable to anything (besides being written down by comics authors)?

 :)

If you want to know who can give Storm a fight, look at Proteus. Storm vs. Proteus would be good. Proteus can sculpt reality like a sculpter does clay. Storm can control the forces that govern and compose the universe as a sculptress does clay. If he tries to take control of her body in his reality stuff, she could technically fight him by taking control over her own body (and the surrounding area) on a sub-atomic level. It could come down to a test of wills here.

I'm hoping that maybe Hudlin consider African mythology for the title and use some of those characters to battle the duo. Thor fights villains from Norse mythology in his title. Being married to Storm means that now antagonists of enormous power can be used in the BP title. It really opens up lots of different possibilities here. :) Villains at those levels tend to have great mystical power and would be able to give Storm a fight.


Proteus ... hmmm ... so also Legion?  Did they fight at the start of Legionquest?

I love the idea of incorporating African mythology ... maybe bring in Jiba Anderson's characters for a special one-shot crossover?

C'mon, Mr. Hudlin, you can make it work!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on July 25, 2007, 09:30:51 am
African Mythology based characters and villans would be CRAZY COOL. ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 25, 2007, 01:02:31 pm
This week's issue of "Black Pather": The Skrulls are trying to rob T'challa of the frogs while on their skrull ship. With a thought, Storm makes the ship's power go away. :)

(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5516/emdownpf3.th.jpg) (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emdownpf3.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 05, 2007, 03:17:02 pm
Storm breaks Hydroman down to humidity with just a thought!

(http://i18.tinypic.com/6c822hk.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 08, 2007, 06:00:54 pm
In Uncanny 153, Storm battles the Sidri. Here, they congregate together to create an immensurably powerful super-sidri the size of a skyscraper. While already tired, Storm easily creates a massive tornado around it while having it struck continually from all sides by lightning. More, this follows the Sidri around wherever it goes:

(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3674/tornadoandsidri3udtj8.th.jpg) (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tornadoandsidri3udtj8.jpg)(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8168/tornadoandsidri22lfpf0.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tornadoandsidri22lfpf0.jpg)

Talk about multi-tasking! :D

Storm, with a nearly severed spine, beats a harem of warrior women who comprise Khan's harem. Without her powers, she defeats them all single-handedly and these are among the most deadliest fighters in Khan's dimension-spanning empire!


(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9366/handskillzjk4.th.jpg) (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handskillzjk4.jpg)

(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3330/handskills2rm0.th.jpg) (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handskills2rm0.jpg)

Remember how she tracked down Vendicator by sensing his energy in the air in Uncanny 121 here:
http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm121pg031nv.jpg

Here, she senses Havok's power signature:

(http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4973/readingenergyav6.th.png) (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=readingenergyav6.png)

Here she demonstrates small weather micro-storm effects. Imagine if she did this in somebody's body!

URL=http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smallthunderstormul6.jpg](http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/793/smallthunderstormul6.th.jpg)[/URL](http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9828/smallthunderstorm2cq3.th.jpg) (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smallthunderstorm2cq3.jpg)(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7853/smallweathereffectfv7.th.jpg) (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smallweathereffectfv7.jpg)

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 11, 2007, 11:08:00 am
Guys, I just thought to make the scans more clear where Ororo disperes a hemisphere-sized hurricane with just a gesture:

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7928/hemisphereui6.th.jpg) (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hemisphereui6.jpg)(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5325/hemisphere2kd4.th.jpg) (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hemisphere2kd4.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on August 12, 2007, 01:44:22 am
methinks that Rutog is making a truly,truly awesome argument for STORM laying down the nasty mcnasty smackdown on many a critter.I wonder how Zombie Luke would deal with a thunderstorm in his brain? Given their horrific physiology and their leeching of energy,he'd probably get stronger somehow.I wonder if Storm could drain him of electrons in sufficient quantity to weaken his powers to the extent that say THE HUMAN TORCH could flash fry him? No direct energy attack would prove debilitating,as the Zombies would probably get stronger under such circumstances (now that they chomped on Galctus).But what if she attempted to do something like go OmegaRogueStorm on them and leech their powers by what...manipulating the infintesimal subquantum particles that comprise their energies? Hell,if she did that? BP could fight them head up...and that would be BAAAD NEWS for them.Ask Sabertooth in HoM how much fun that kinda stuff tends to be.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on August 23, 2007, 09:19:19 am
Seems that someone had some comments on a recent FF issue featuring Storm on uncannyxmen.net (read below):

Q: in the last two issues of fantastic four, storm's gathered a cloud of hydrogen atoms to create a lightning/fireball attack against SS, and [as mcduffie explains in his forums] literally stolen electrons from stardust's energy form, then turned them against her in the form of a monumental lightning bolt.
 
has storm ever displayed such an outright ability to manipulate atomic and sub-atomic particles this way?

A: Pretty much every single time she's used her powers. She just rarely explains it in such scientific terms, going more for the flowery weather goddess descriptions.

R: understandable.  the reason these seem to stick out, to me, is that they seem rather far-fetched and away from the base of her powers.  i understand they function differently in space, but gathering hydrogen into a dense cloud seems rather unrelated to the typical functions and operations of her "weather-based" abilities.  and gathering electrons to direct electricity seems as though it would be a no-brainer, but taking them directly from a sentient being?  a herald, at that? 
 
just seemed, to me, like the term "elemental" was being manipulated to mean "control over the [periodic table of] elements," as opposed to it's more traditional interpretation.  i was wondering how far-fetched those actions seemed, but maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on August 30, 2007, 01:39:56 pm
Hey Rutogg  ;D

Have you already posted her Preasure dome and Jovian Sphere freats here?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 30, 2007, 08:25:02 pm
Naturally. I happen to be something of a Storm fan. You know I'm not going to let THAT go unstated. :D


Here is the post:

Guys, READ THIS!!!!!!! : http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/jupiter/jupiter.html

And then READ THIS!!!!!!:

(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/755/jovianpressurefield0zn.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jovianpressurefield0zn.jpg)

(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9361/jovianpressurefield22ts.th.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jovianpressurefield22ts.jpg)

Notice that Storm created fields of pressure while on Earth greater than the surface of Jupiter!

I posted what a scientist said about Storm on page 3 of this thread. I am now going to quote an exerpt from it:
I'm not exactly sure of what is meant by Jovian Pressure field. From what I understand, Jovian fields are created by Jupiter's magnetosphere, which incidently is HUGE (If you could see it as an ordinary lump of matter from Earth, it would appear to be about five times the size of the moon!). Jupiter's magnetosphere creates these interesting electric currents that shoot out protons and other things from it's atmosphere. I guess it would have to fall under the idea of "natural weather phenomenon of the Solar system." Besides, I personally don't by the idea of Storm only being able to create weather patterns that exist in nature. When was the last time you've seen small rain cloud watering a flower pot? I think she's able to bend or at least adapt nature's forces to whatever she can concieve.
It is also intresting to note that on the planet Neptune, the wind exceeds the most extremes velocities here on Earth and yet that planet is much further away from the Sun. This has stumped scientists to this day.
I know some mention her not being able to raise the temperature to solar intensities on Earth, have you ever been struck by lightning? The average lightning bolt is more than five-times hotter than the surface of the sun! All she would have to do is fold in the ionospehre a bit and redistribute the o-zone layer and then channel in a solar flare. Ouch!
Or how about creating a temperature relatively close to absolute zero? If she can create intense pressure fields, then she can create a compressive force that would in lower the temperature phenomenally.


End Quote:

Now, in regards to her winds, we have seen Storm surpass normal earth winds numerous times. You have the instance where she lifted that skyscraper in a fight against Torch.   She has flown from Austrailia to the Savage Land located in Antarctica in no time flat. She has flown from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes.  Then she put an extreme strain on Magneto's powers. There is the MUCH more impressive feat where she redirected the full power of Sienna Blaze. (Go back and reread the posts on that to see how powerful Sienna really is.) I think the lady can easily reach hypersonic speeds with her winds. I think she has gone this far or even surpassed it already with some of these feats. The fact that she can create such pressure extremes as above also to the point where she can suffocate people and flames and all, she can very easily surpass normal earth winds. The greater the pressure differences, the greater the wind.


Here is the post I did on the Sienna Blaze thing:
Circa Excalibur issue 72 or73, Sienna casually tossed a blast at Nightcralwer that had enough power to fry him to a crisp, sink Muir Island and half of Scotland Mainland. In the issue where she battled Storm, Sienna Blaze has enough power to split the planet like a ripe melon. Xavier telepathically forced Sienna to unleash all of the power she had to temporarily burn her out. He succeeded as she admitted this. Furthermore, she could barely speak or stand. Storm summoned an electrically-charged wind tunnel to redirect Sienna's full power when Sienna did that blast  that burned out herself powers. The issue stated that Scott just sat there and blasted in case any of Sienna's energy got away from Storm's vortex.

end of the post quote



In regards to bringing temperature down to near absolute zero, all she would have to do is absorb the heat from the environment or from the desired target. She channels this energy all the time anyway like the scan where she channels a continent-sized storm or where she absorbs energy from storms which triggers an evolution or when she channels the power MILLIONS of stars. I mean, she's channeling heat, EM energies, moisture, etc. Hence, Magneto is not a credible threat to Storm. His powers should not be able to harm Storm directly. She channels and controls/shapes the energies he controls as well as other forces he does not control through her body all the time and she can channel it in FAR greater quanities that he can produce it at any given time. In fact, as we saw in the Dr. Doom story, she can absorb it and grow stronger and even evolve if she wishes. All he can realistically do to her is throw metal. She can easily deflect metal with winds or a pressure dome. On the other hand, there is PLENTY she can do to him.

Magneto has only done things on massive scales with the aid of technology or some other kind of outside force. In "Fatal Attractions," he was responsible for a global EM pulse by blasting the EM fields of the planet. However, the EM fields in that issue were skewered by a device created by Forge. This device meshed the EM fields such that if Magneto came into Earth's atmosphere and tried to use his powers, he would be destroyed by the fields themselves. Magneto senses this while approaching Earth from his space base and blasted the fields before he came within rage. The result was a global EMP. He obviously does not have the ability to create this at any given time as in his next arc, "Magneto War," he once more turned off the lights the world over to blackmail the world leaders into giving him what he wanted. To do this, he had to create a machine to boost his powers WAY up to that. The fields in that issue were in a natural state. There were not meshed up by Forge's machine. When the machine was broken, Magneto was forced to have to control all of that energy on his own. He failed miserably and as a side-effect of it, his powers were bunt out. Storm should never burn out as she has the potential to evolve and wield unlimited power.

Prior to even joining the X-Men, Storm ended a hurricane that blanketed a hemisphere under her own power alone. We have seen her channel a continent-sized blizzard through her body that had enough power to last for 6 months.  In "Black Panther," while she and Panther were making love, she altered the weather across the entire continent of Africa. Given the fact that her being in the Galactic core put her in close enough contact to summon the full power of that core (millions of stars), she is physically on Earth. She's much closer to Earth than she was to any of those stars. She could technically rob the Earth of all of its energies if she wanted to destroy it. lol. That said, she could easily pull the global EM pulses that Magneto needs machines to do. Given the fact alone that she can alter the weather over a hemishphere alone would give her more than enough raw power to manipulate the EM fields to cause a global pulse. In altering weather over a hemisphere, she would have had to play with electrical and magnetic fields, gravitational fields, pressure gradients and wind, moisture, heat, etc.   She played with all of these on a hemisphere scale BEFORE she even joined the X-Men. Imagine how powerful she is now! Imagine if she were just to concentrate on the EM fields alone!


(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5980/feelinghurricaneva2.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feelinghurricaneva2.jpg)

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: wgreason on August 31, 2007, 07:12:24 am
Proteus ... hmmm ... so also Legion?  Did they fight at the start of Legionquest?

Rutog,
Do you have any scans of the Legionquest fight that started the Age of Apocalypse -- the one at the black dome in Israel??
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 04, 2007, 11:58:27 am
I don't, but here is another scan for your pleasure:

Storm saves a large passenger jet in free-fall with her winds with almost no time before the plane crashes.

(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7281/windsdk8.th.png) (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=windsdk8.png)(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2687/winds2zd7.th.png) (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winds2zd7.png)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 11, 2007, 09:49:19 am
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8960/uncanny490dcp029ef6.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny490dcp029ef6.jpg)(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6816/uncanny490dcp030bu6.th.jpg) (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny490dcp030bu6.jpg)(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8158/uncanny490dcp032ms1.th.jpg) (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny490dcp032ms1.jpg)

I can't wait to see what happens next issue! ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 11, 2007, 10:14:48 am
([url]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8960/uncanny490dcp029ef6.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny490dcp029ef6.jpg[/url])([url]http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6816/uncanny490dcp030bu6.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny490dcp030bu6.jpg[/url])([url]http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8158/uncanny490dcp032ms1.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny490dcp032ms1.jpg[/url])

I can't wait to see what happens next issue! ;)


OMG,her extreme claustrophobia is kicking in.I thought that her hyperforce winds would come roaring out too,thereby saving them as she pushed blindly against being buried alive.AGAIN.Yes,rutog,this looks like it's going to be very good.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 14, 2007, 12:38:22 pm
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?...pyrate12yu9.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?...pyrate13wi4.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?...rate3620nq1.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?...control1gy8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=control2vl1.jpg

Some more scans showing Storm playing with the air. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 14, 2007, 08:54:52 pm
[url]http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?...pyrate12yu9.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?...pyrate13wi4.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?...rate3620nq1.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?...control1gy8.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=control2vl1.jpg[/url]

Some more scans showing Storm playing with the air. :D


Do we love us some Rutog? Indeed,there IS Rutog love in the air...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on September 24, 2007, 09:38:02 am
Shol' do love Rutog!

Got a question for you. Do you know any comics where Storm interacts with Misty Knight? I have the one where Storm goes to the Harlem apt. where her parents lived, and Luke & Misty show up. Are there any others?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on September 25, 2007, 11:16:24 am
Hey BB, I love your Avatar.

What Up Rutogg  ;D

Keep up the good work chief
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on September 27, 2007, 01:19:55 pm
Hey everybody.

I just saw the previews of Uncanny x-men #491, and I needed some place to vent.

I feel that Bru has TOTALLY disrespected Storm during his time with her.

No regaurd for continuity, and evan less regaurd for the character, and her abilities.

I for 1 will not be suporting the run any longer, as I feel he's tyring to undermine everything that RH and DM have done for her this year.

2 steps forward 8 steps back.

No Bp in Sep.
I think it's a little funny that the next BP we get is after this BS.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on September 29, 2007, 04:30:42 pm
Shol' do love Rutog!

Got a question for you. Do you know any comics where Storm interacts with Misty Knight? I have the one where Storm goes to the Harlem apt. where her parents lived, and Luke & Misty show up. Are there any others?

I can't recall any other interactions between Storm and Misty Knight.  Anyone?

What I'd really like to see is Storm develop a friendship with Monica Rambeau.  Two of the most powerful women in the Marvel Universe.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jominick on September 30, 2007, 05:55:33 pm
Quote
I can't recall any other interactions between Storm and Misty Knight.  Anyone?

Yes it was also in uncanny X-Men and I do not know the number. I believe it was around the Dracula issue where Misty and Jean were roommates.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 30, 2007, 06:48:56 pm
Shol' do love Rutog!

Got a question for you. Do you know any comics where Storm interacts with Misty Knight? I have the one where Storm goes to the Harlem apt. where her parents lived, and Luke & Misty show up. Are there any others?

I can't recall any other interactions between Storm and Misty Knight.  Anyone?

What I'd really like to see is Storm develop a friendship with Monica Rambeau.  Two of the most powerful women in the Marvel Universe.


I think Storm and Misty Knight meet in a Power Man/Iron Fist storyline where they teamed-up with the X-men to fight the Living Monolith?  Also, they first met in Japan when the X-men had escaped from the Savage Land.  Then they traveled back to the United States together (I beleive) but got sidetracked into Canada by Alpha Flight.  At that time, Coleen and Cyclops were beginning a relationship. (Scott thought Jean was dead.)  But the minute that Jean was found alive, Scott dropped Colleen.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 02, 2007, 07:28:59 pm
Here is a VERY accurate depiction of Storm's powers taken from Wikipedia. The only thing I can think of missing is her immunity to the forces of nature and her ability to absorb elemental energies and evolve:

[edit] Weather Manipulation
Storm's character has shown a plethora of abilities most of which center on her mutant ability to control the weather.[2] She has been depicted as one of the most powerful mutants in the Marvel Universe and has been compared, in terms of power, to the mutant Jean Grey. Storm has been described as a possible Omega-level mutant.[43]

Storm possesses the psionic ability to control all forms of weather. She can reduce or raise the temperature of the environment, control all forms of precipitation, manipulate the wind to elevate herself to fly at high speeds, coalescence toxic atmospheric pollutants into acid rain or toxic fog, generate lightning and other electromagnetic atmospheric phenomenon, can fully control moisture, humidity and precipitation, and has demonstrated excellent control over atmospheric pressure. Besides the atmosphere, Storm has demonstrated the ability to control natural forces that include cosmic storms, solar wind, ocean currents and electromagnetic radiation. She can create electric, magnetic, and electromagnetic fields and has demonstrated the ability to create electrolytic fields to separate water molecules into molecular oxygen and atomic hydrogen. While in outer space, she is able to affect and manipulate the interstellar and intergalactic mediums. Storm can alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe in terms of energy patterns, detecting the flow of the electromagnetic fields behind weather phenomena, machines, and nervous systems.

Storm has shown to be sensitive to the dynamics of the natural world. One consequence of this connection to nature is that she often suppresses extreme feelings to prevent her emotional state from resulting in violent weather. She has sensed a diseased and dying tree on the X-Men mansion grounds, detected objects within various atmospheric mediums--including water, sensed the in-correct motion of a hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere and the gravitational stress on the tides by the Moon and Sun as well as the distortion of a planet's magnetosphere.[44]

Storm's abilities are limited by her willpower and the strength of her body.[2]

I have not been around here much because of school. I'm VERY busy this semester. Sorry!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 08, 2007, 11:37:18 am
I read the advanced copy of FF issue 550. All I have to say for Storm is...WOW!!!!! :D :D D


I can't wait till it comes out in 2 days! I REALLY want to tell you what Storm did badly, but I know its not right to do that before the issue comes out.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 08, 2007, 12:49:11 pm
Here is a VERY accurate depiction of Storm's powers taken from Wikipedia. The only thing I can think of missing is her immunity to the forces of nature and her ability to absorb elemental energies and evolve:

[edit] Weather Manipulation
Storm's character has shown a plethora of abilities most of which center on her mutant ability to control the weather.[2] She has been depicted as one of the most powerful mutants in the Marvel Universe and has been compared, in terms of power, to the mutant Jean Grey. Storm has been described as a possible Omega-level mutant.[43]

Storm possesses the psionic ability to control all forms of weather. She can reduce or raise the temperature of the environment, control all forms of precipitation, manipulate the wind to elevate herself to fly at high speeds, coalescence toxic atmospheric pollutants into acid rain or toxic fog, generate lightning and other electromagnetic atmospheric phenomenon, can fully control moisture, humidity and precipitation, and has demonstrated excellent control over atmospheric pressure. Besides the atmosphere, Storm has demonstrated the ability to control natural forces that include cosmic storms, solar wind, ocean currents and electromagnetic radiation. She can create electric, magnetic, and electromagnetic fields and has demonstrated the ability to create electrolytic fields to separate water molecules into molecular oxygen and atomic hydrogen. While in outer space, she is able to affect and manipulate the interstellar and intergalactic mediums. Storm can alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe in terms of energy patterns, detecting the flow of the electromagnetic fields behind weather phenomena, machines, and nervous systems.

Storm has shown to be sensitive to the dynamics of the natural world. One consequence of this connection to nature is that she often suppresses extreme feelings to prevent her emotional state from resulting in violent weather. She has sensed a diseased and dying tree on the X-Men mansion grounds, detected objects within various atmospheric mediums--including water, sensed the in-correct motion of a hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere and the gravitational stress on the tides by the Moon and Sun as well as the distortion of a planet's magnetosphere.[44]

Storm's abilities are limited by her willpower and the strength of her body.[2]

I have not been around here much because of school. I'm VERY busy this semester. Sorry!



I have come to the conclusion that Rutog98 really is Ororo.That's why she knows so much about Ororo and it explains why we love us some Rutog so much.Yep.I have solved the mystery.You may thank me now...with authentic American currency.The folding kind.$100 bills and up.Yeppers.Awrighty then.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on October 09, 2007, 10:19:54 am
I read the advanced copy of FF issue 550. All I have to say for Storm is...WOW!!!!! :D :D D


I can't wait till it comes out in 2 days! I REALLY want to tell you what Storm did badly, but I know its not right to do that before the issue comes out.


 :o OOOOOOOOOOOOCAN'TWAIT!!!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 10, 2007, 01:19:28 pm
Eternity is dying and Storm holds its essence while Strange , along with the others are trying to save it . It's stated that only her and Dr Strange have the strength of spirit to survive that :

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/...rnityStorm1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/...rnityStorm2.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/...rnityStorm3.jpg

"Eternity is dying"

"I'd need somebody to hold his essence . Only myself and Storm have the strength of spirit to survive that"

" ... Dr Strange moved Eternity's consciousness into Storm's mind "

Silver Surfer was also present and even he could not surive what Storm did easily. Ororo, while unevolved, has summoned the power of millions of stars, held the essence of Eternity himself, she's been compared to the Phoenix Force and she defeated the Trion, the sum of an entire reality! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 12, 2007, 03:50:05 pm
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/EternityStorm1.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/EternityStorm2.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/EternityStorm3.jpg

Eternity represents the life force of the universe. I think this whole sequence with Ororo is connected back to this:

http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandthegalaticcore15zq.jpg

They go perfectly along together.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 12, 2007, 05:11:57 pm
Yeah, she did great serving as a cosmic vessel.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 12, 2007, 06:21:19 pm
Yeah! Just think, she was able to contain that without dying or getting hurt. The lady definately has the potential to wield unlimited power! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 12, 2007, 07:10:56 pm
Yeah! Just think, she was able to contain that without dying or getting hurt. The lady definately has the potential to wield unlimited power! :D


With that right there? She SHOULD lay the wtfpwnage on THE SENTRY...there it is
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2007, 02:38:31 pm
Guys, I just thought about something. Eternity is more powerful than the rest of the cosmics put together save the Phoenix Force and Living Tribunal. He's always been. Remember how Storm's potential power equals that of the PF? Well, here, she contained Eternity's essense.

I'm just going on and on about this! I'm so excited. Go McDuffie, go McDuffie, GO! I think he should do a 6-part Storm limited or a 12-issue Storm maxi series. He's spoiled me! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stormyrider on October 13, 2007, 02:43:44 pm
I'm glad to read that Storm's powers are being further explored and weakened,and she always had that strong force of will.Does anyone think that there will be any after effects to her after holding the consciousness of ETERNITY?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 13, 2007, 03:10:12 pm
Guys, I just thought about something. Eternity is more powerful than the rest of the cosmics put together save the Phoenix Force and Living Tribunal. He's always been. Remember how Storm's potential power equals that of the PF? Well, here, she contained Eternity's essense.
:D

I never bought the later claims of the Phoenix Force's power and role in the universe. If what Morrison wrote was true, then where was it during this latest crisis in the FF? I'll you tell you where -nowhere! It's not its job to fix the universe - ha! What Storm has over the Phoenix Force, what it must have sought out from Jean Grey - is a powerful individual mind to house its power.

The Living Tribunal is the ultimate cosmic judge. If Eternity - or the Phoenix Force - also disturbed the balance, or commited injustice, then the Tribunal itself could overpower it. Otherwise, Eternity and the Living Tribunal work in concert.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2007, 09:19:14 pm
Storm has a stronger spirit/personality/will than Jean Grey.

So do you agree with me that Storm would trump the PF in a fight if Ororo were to let go of all of her personal blocks that holds back her immense power?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 14, 2007, 06:18:43 am
Storm never called out to the Phoenix Force, nor does she have a need to.  ;)

The victor would depend on who is the host of the PF and what its state of mind is. Dark Phoenix is utter chaos and I doubt Storm would marshal enough strength in time to defeat it. If Rachel were the host I think Storm could do fine against it. Alone and without a mortal host and mind I doubt it could even focus itself to fight Storm. It could just pass along the solar currents.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 14, 2007, 12:48:37 pm
With Storm vs. Dark Phoenix, part of that would have to do with what's motivating Storm to fight. She has the raw power to win, but would probably need some great motivating force to tap into it and beat her. Storm tends to want to hold back (well, that may be different now. Storm can be just plain ruthless when she wants to be.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 29, 2007, 01:18:35 pm
Just to show Storm's reaction speed:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2972/page05oj2.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5338/quickgale1bi9.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/...ickgale2du2.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/31...ightningqi1.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 31, 2007, 07:07:02 pm
If that's in regard to the Phoenix vs. Storm scenario, there are still too many variables. And those scans are in the period I stopped reading X-Men.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 02, 2007, 05:17:28 pm
Control

Here Storm guides a bolt of lightning through a pipe from out side,
whlie locked in a wooden casket. She manages to free her team mates without causing them injury. While, at the same time, striking her Casket with enough force to shatter it.

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6025/ligthninginthepipe1pf3.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ligthninginthepipe1pf3.jpg)

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6071/ligthninginthepipe2uh6.th.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ligthninginthepipe2uh6.jpg)

Technically, Ororo could have just pulled electricity out of the air molecules in the area/excite the available electrons as she has done many times over. She did not have to go to the extent to pull anything from the sky, but this was a nice fancy trick.

 More will power

Here Storm actively blocks Rachel's attempt at mind control.

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1641/stormrachel1nr1.th.jpg) (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormrachel1nr1.jpg)

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/229/stormrachel2hq1.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormrachel2hq1.jpg)

Here Storm  frees  the New FF from Psycho Man's machine

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2614/stormbpwillpower1yh7.th.jpg) (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormbpwillpower1yh7.jpg)

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/291/stormbpwillpower2md6.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormbpwillpower2md6.jpg)

She also, through application of willpower, overcomes the blocks Psycho Man puts in her mind to stop her from mentally accessing her powers (while she is presumablly unconscious as I suspect he probably caught the whole team unawares while they were unconscious) and fries everything!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on November 11, 2007, 02:31:04 pm
I have a dumb question, how does Storm fly or does she? Is she gliding on the wind and if so how does she not blow away everything around her especially indoors?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 11, 2007, 03:05:14 pm
I have a dumb question, how does Storm fly or does she? Is she gliding on the wind and if so how does she not blow away everything around her especially indoors?

Comic book physics.  :)  But if you want a pseudo-science answer; she is controlling air on two fronts.  One, to lift her, but then the second focus is keeping the air still in the rest of the room.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on November 13, 2007, 04:32:15 pm
I have a dumb question, how does Storm fly or does she? Is she gliding on the wind and if so how does she not blow away everything around her especially indoors?

Comic book physics.  :)  But if you want a pseudo-science answer; she is controlling air on two fronts.  One, to lift her, but then the second focus is keeping the air still in the rest of the room.



Sounds good and if she is a "wind rider" maybe that has nothing to do with gust?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 13, 2007, 10:36:23 pm
Uncanny 159:


Storm vs. Dracula

Storm is able to shake off the Thrall of Dracula and confronts him for the lives of her friends.

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5946/stormvsdracula1sg7.th.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsdracula1sg7.jpg)

(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8861/stormvsdracula2gj6.th.jpg) (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsdracula2gj6.jpg)

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2152/stormvsdracula3wb4.th.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsdracula3wb4.jpg)

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8759/stormvsdracula4vi8.th.jpg) (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsdracula4vi8.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on November 14, 2007, 01:50:52 pm
Shot out Rutogg  ;D

It's been a while.

Just stopped in to show some love
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 15, 2007, 02:54:52 pm
Hey, Blue! :D

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4781/stormvsamandaph9.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsamandaph9.jpg)

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/973/stormvsamanda2ns9.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsamanda2ns9.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on November 30, 2007, 11:37:21 am
Whats with the axe-spear lightening od weapon she's wielding in the current X Men issue 205?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stormyrider on December 01, 2007, 04:45:29 am
I think she took it off of Harpoon and just used it at that moment
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 01, 2007, 07:18:55 pm
X-men "MC" 205

Storm leads a strike team to confront Sinister

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8564/badassstormvu4.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badassstormvu4.jpg)

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4909/badassstorm2mh9.th.jpg) (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badassstorm2mh9.jpg)

(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/811/badassstorm3hp0.th.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badassstorm3hp0.jpg)

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2721/badassstorm4ld0.th.jpg) (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badassstorm4ld0.jpg)

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4876/badassstorm5ic9.th.jpg) (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badassstorm5ic9.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on December 03, 2007, 11:56:12 am
I think she took it off of Harpoon and just used it at that moment

I started a thread on CBR about this.

Needles to say, I hope not. If it's of Wakandan Origin then it's DOPE.

But otherwise,

It doesnt make any sense, is out of character (because in order to have it she would have taken it off of Harpoon), and is ultimatley selfish as she should have given the confiscated weapon to Angel.

I just don't see her standing over Harpoon saying:

"LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!"

"I DID THIS TO YOU!!!!!!!"  ;D

what up Rutog :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 03, 2007, 01:50:29 pm
Classic Storm moment with her kicking butt and taking names.  ;D

This month's issue of BP!

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1759/bpstormtakinnamesly1.th.jpg) (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bpstormtakinnamesly1.jpg)

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4138/bpstormtakinnames3nw8.th.jpg) (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bpstormtakinnames3nw8.jpg)

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5204/bpstormtakinnames4de8.th.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bpstormtakinnames4de8.jpg)

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3219/bpstormtakinnames2rz6.th.jpg) (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bpstormtakinnames2rz6.jpg)

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6348/bpstormtakinnames5ap1.th.jpg) (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bpstormtakinnames5ap1.jpg)

Hello, Blue!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 03, 2007, 02:17:52 pm
Hey, I was wondering.  Since Marvel is starting to crack down on online copies of their books, are they going to complain about fans posting shots like we see often on these boards, for example, see above?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 03, 2007, 10:06:59 pm
Hey, I was wondering.  Since Marvel is starting to crack down on online copies of their books, are they going to complain about fans posting shots like we see often on these boards, for example, see above?

Why would they? Its free advertisement. ;) People see things like this and it motivates them to buy the issue. Heck, they post spoiler pages to their books all the time on sites like comics continuum. This is just more advertisements for them. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 04, 2007, 05:19:08 am
Hey, I was wondering.  Since Marvel is starting to crack down on online copies of their books, are they going to complain about fans posting shots like we see often on these boards, for example, see above?

Why would they? Its free advertisement. ;) People see things like this and it motivates them to buy the issue. Heck, they post spoiler pages to their books all the time on sites like comics continuum. This is just more advertisements for them. :D

I would hope that's how they view things like this.  That's part of the arguments I've seen presented against Marvel cracking down, but it's a corperation interested in making money and controling their product so who knows...like I said, I hope they agree with you.

(But then again, this is Reggie's board and he works for Marvel, so they may hold him to a higher standard.  It's hard to tell others to stop this if you own employees offer it, even piecemeal.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on December 05, 2007, 07:58:04 am
That's a good question actually. I was going to ask a mod on the Marvel site about posting scans just before they went down.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 07, 2007, 03:16:14 pm
 Storm controls the weather through Invisible Woman's force-field:

(http://img190.imagevenue.com/loc184/th_66129_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_405_Page_33_122_184lo.jpg) (http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66129_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_405_Page_33_122_184lo.jpg) (http://img180.imagevenue.com/loc101/th_66136_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_905_Page_34_122_101lo.jpg) (http://img180.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66136_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_905_Page_34_122_101lo.jpg)

Considering how the lady can create tornadoes and thunderstorms that fit in the palm of her hand, she she could very easily beat out Sue or Magneto or Jean Grey by manipulating the air in the field to suffocate them, exiting the electrons in their field to electrocute them (or even excite the oxygen molecules to combustion to put them on fire...if she can play with electrons the way she does, she could easily do this), lower the temperature in the field, etc.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 07, 2007, 11:05:16 pm
Does everyone see the logic in what I stated above with the Storm/Sue's force-field thing? She was inside Sue's force-field and controlled the weather on the other side of it. She would be able to do the reverse since they are the same thing. The force-field's interior is composed of the same energies as its exterior. Hence, Sue is able to not only block out explosions, punches, and energy blasts by putting a force-field around herself, she is also able to contain these things by putting a force-field around what she wants to contain.

To put it more plainly, since Storm was able to send a psionic signal to alter the weather outside of Sue's shield while she, herself was inside, she could send a psionic signal inside of Sue's shield to create a hostile enviroment while she outside of it.

Storm wins against Sue (and a lot of other people) for a number of reasons.

1) She has extremely fast reaction speeds.

Here are some scans:
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld57hb.jpg

Notice, the caption states in plain english that this gives her an advantage in any fight. Her reaction speed is definately above normal people. Sue counts as normal.

2) She doesn't have to start her lightning bolt from the sky. She can start it right on Sue. She's created thunderstorms right in the palm of her hand as shown here:

http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smallthunderstorm2cq3.jpg

So her bolt can start right on Sue at the beginning of the fight and knock Sue out. In order for Sue to put a force-field inside of Storm, she has to project her energies from herself into Ororo. Storm's attack starts right on Sue and she has faster reaction times.

3) Storm can work her powers through Sue's force-field therefore, Sue (and force-field people in general) has no real defense against Storm's powers. We see her doing that here:

http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66129_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_405_Page_33_122_184lo.jpg
http://img180.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66136_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_905_Page_34_122_101lo.jpg


Storm has also worked her powers through Jean Grey's force-field.

Is she tough or what guys? ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on December 08, 2007, 09:10:37 am
I don't see it clear cut vs Sue at all and I really don't see it vs Magneto.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 08, 2007, 04:53:45 pm
Well, Sue would be more dangerous to Storm than Magneto. Magneto's energies should have no direct effect on Storm save to make her more powerful or she just channels it out. His only real way to hurt Storm is to throw metal at her which Storm can defend herself against very well. Sue's powers can actually hurt Storm if she can get a grip on Ororo. As of today, I can't think of any instance where Storm has absorbed or channeled the energies that Sue wields. However, Ororo does have a faster reaction time and she can work her powers through Sue's force-field.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Blanks on December 09, 2007, 02:16:10 pm
dont want to jump off the subject, but does Storm's nephew, Spyke from the animated series evolution exist at all in the 616verse? If not, it would be cool if he could finally make his appearance in the 616verse through the Panther series, if Reggie ever plans to have another mutant storyline again, like waaaaaaaaaaay back in the beginning of this run.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Daoud on December 09, 2007, 07:25:27 pm
dont want to jump off the subject, but does Storm's nephew, Spyke from the animated series evolution exist at all in the 616verse? If not, it would be cool if he could finally make his appearance in the 616verse through the Panther series, if Reggie ever plans to have another mutant storyline again, like waaaaaaaaaaay back in the beginning of this run.

Storm does have a nephew living with her paternal grandparents. 

Characters, I might add, that I've loved so far and would like to see more of RH. ;)


Excelsior!

Daoud
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on December 11, 2007, 07:40:53 am
Peace everybody  ;D

What up Rutogg

Where did you find THIS


I wanted you to hear it from me first

KMC shut me down.
Appearently some posters found it hard to swallow
"if it goes out, it should be able to go in."

I'm in the process of looking for a new home for the rest of our scans.

It sucks cuz our girl was starting to get some serious views and attention.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 11, 2007, 02:12:12 pm
Storm used her powers through Sue's force-field in the 1981 Annual with the Badoon. Is this the scan you are talking about?

Its very unfair on that board.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on December 12, 2007, 07:55:32 am
Yes it was, and yes it is.

It's almost like playing with cheaters  >:(
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on December 17, 2007, 10:57:03 am
Hey everybody  ;D

I was surfung the web and fonund some interesting stuff.

Dig THIS:


Oya
from Goddesses and Heroines Exerpt from Goddess & Heroines by Patricia Monaghan
[Used by permission. This text is NOT included in the Goddess Oracle]

Originally a goddess of the Yoruba in western Africa, she was goddess of storms on the Niger River. Her name means "she tore" in the Yoruba language, for her winds tear up the river's calm surface; she is also called "mother of nine," for the nine estuaries of the Niger. She is a warrior goddess as well as patron of female leadership.

Oya emigrated with her children to the New World, changing form to suit her new surroundings. In Brazil, she was called Yansa; in Cuba, Olla, in Haiti, Aido-Wedo; in New Orlean, Brigette; she was also assimilated to the Catholic saints Theresa, Barbara and Catherine. A warrior storm goddess who also rules fire, she is one of the great divinities of Brazilian Macumba. In Santeria she is the nine-headed mate of the lightning god Chango. Patron of justice and memory, she is pictured holding a flame.

and

NAME: Oshun, Ochun, Osun, Oxum, Saint Philomene.

SYMBOLS: Metal fan, brass bracelets worn by priestesses, pot of honey, rainbow, golden chain which ties all her people together, shells, yellow scarves, mirrors, the river Oshun. all flowing water, the number 5 and multiples of 5.

USUAL IMAGE: She is shown a dark skinned woman, usually with large hips. Though there are images of her as a human woman & a two tailed mermaid.

AREAS OF CONTROL: Goddess of Secrets, Witchcraft, Sensuality, Money, Service.

HOLY DAYS: September 11th starting in the evening and ending at midnight the 12th. In Cuba September 8th starting a little after midnight the day of the celebration.

MAJOR TABOOS: Snails, Oka baba (guinea corn,)

RELATIVES: Shango God of Lightning (lover), Ogun God of War, Hunting & Metalwork (first lover / husband)

FORM OF WORSHIP: To adorn oneself and to make one's place more beautiful.

SYNODEITIES: Venus (Roman), Kali (Hindu), Aphrodite (Greek). Istar (Babylonian.)

DETAILS: Oshun is a Goddess who is both loved and feared. Possessed of a terrible temper her moods can changes at a moments nothings changing things from sunny skies to frightful storm. Though it is though storm that she also brings about her rainbows.

Originality a river goddess in Africa was like the other Orisha were taken to the Caribbean, and North & South American like the other God and Goddess of the Yoruba and West Africa.

The youngest of those gods she is the goddess to ask for money as well as the goddess who brings children to barren women, and the holder of all secrets and witchcraft.

Mainly she is the goddess of love, pleasure, beauty, and sensuality.

Does anybody else think that Storm could be a representation of either Oya or Oshun in Marvel comics?

Panther and Storm = Panther God and Oya/Oshun?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on December 17, 2007, 08:23:56 pm
That's great research! The only hitch is the Yoruban religion is based in West Africa. Storm's ancestors are East African based.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on December 17, 2007, 08:24:54 pm
What's going on with Ultima Storm? She's wearing fishnets now and I read that she'll become a supervillain in the Ultimates 3. Is the Shadow King booty-snatching her?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 17, 2007, 08:30:19 pm
What's going on with Ultima Storm? She's wearing fishnets now and I read that she'll become a supervillain in the Ultimates 3. Is the Shadow King booty-snatching her?

What is the Ultimates 3? Is that a movie, video game or story arc?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on December 19, 2007, 12:17:32 am
It's the third volume of Marvel Ultimates.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on December 31, 2007, 10:16:26 pm
The hairstyle was weird, but the statues are well made.

(http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/store/product_images/7/51689/001_big.jpg)

(http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/store/product_images/7/53409/001_big.jpg)

Note: Storm didn't get her hammer with that costume. When she did, it changed to the one that got the sleeves and pants that Thor now wears. I wish I still had my Asgardian Wars book.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on January 07, 2008, 01:05:07 pm
Those are some cool busts.

I think Storm may be posessed by the Shadow King.

I'll start following the series when they either give the Panther some lines,  or they bring her in.

My million dollar question of the year for Marvel is:

When are Ororo and Ashake going to meet?

She's in continuity now, being stranded in the 616 by Arron Mcgee.

What's up?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 12, 2008, 07:10:21 pm
Hey, guys, if you want a fun read and have some time on your hands, here is a Storm vs. Magneto debate that's been going on for days. lol:

http://marvel.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=98963

Here is my latest post:

Them:

You seem upset Magneto single handedly killed Apocalypse. Do you believe Storm could also defeat this villain by herself? If so then comics wouldnt be much fun would they? You see, the villain is purposely more powerful than the heroes, so a team and multiple heroes are required to be victorious. Storm vs Apocalypse or Magneto would end, if written in continuity with their powers, very quickly and most likely painfully.

Me:

I don't have a problem with Magneto beating Poccy. The problem I have with the scenerio is the method Magneto used should not have worked on this particular character. If he were fighting Cyclops, he could do something like this and I would have no problem. Apocalypse has the power to absorb and rechannel energy. He should have been able to throw that energy right back at Magneto like Bishop has done to Magneto in the past when Magneto tried to grab ahold of the iron in Bishop's bloodstream. For Magneto to grab the iron in one's bloodstream, he has to project magnetic energy into the person and grab ahold of the traces of iron. This is not a power that can be realistically used on somebody who can channel or rechannel energy or EM energies. In other words, Magneto's triumph of Poccy was PIS because Poccy's rechannelling abilities were written out of the fight to give Magneto the win. Personally, I think Apocalypse has a major advantage over Magneto in a fight. He has a much greater variety of power (effortless atomic control over his body, extremely powerful telepathy that puts him on the first order, rechannelling ability, extreme class 100 strength and durability, teleportation, force-fields, transmutation and I still haven't said it all). Personally, I don't think Magneto can realistically win a fight against this character. However, if a writer wants to have Magneto defeat him, they should be creative and come up with a plausible way for Magneto to win without devaluing Poccy.

This is the same problem with Magneto against Storm or against an X-Men lineup with Storm on the team. Storm can trump Magneto. Problem is, her major high end stunts are in stories that do no involve Magneto. You will never see her display power to control energy on a continental, hemisphere, global or cosmic scale in a story arc involving Magneto. The reason for this is the writer wants Magneto to be a team threat and giving Storm these kinds of power levels in a Magneto arc puts her well above the villain the team is supposed to face together. Even then, it is still shown in Magneto arcs that Storm is still more powerful than he (though she is MUCH more powerful than she's portrayed in Magneto arcs in other arcs not involving him) and the only reason he wins is because she holds back. Then on top of it, he takes her out of the fight in ways that should not work. For instance, that lightning in Uncanny 150 should not have hurt Ororo. The writer tried to say that it only hurt her because he caught her off guard. Storm is immune to lightning and all manifestations of weather. She cannot be directly harmed by them. This is stated in canon in plain english. Also, even when unconscious, she can feel the lightning strike. Therefore, she cannot be caught by surprise by a lightning bolt. In other words, the writer tried to come up with a plausible way to hurt a character who is immune to electricity with electricity. It fell flat on its face. Storm was devalued for Magneto to win.

In that scan where Magneto took her out with a magnetic blast, that was PIS too. Give Storm her full power levels and have him realistically beat her in a way that does not devalue her powers. This has never happened partially because Magneto's powers are some of the worst you can have to fight Storm with. If you want to trump Storm, you're going to have to do MUCH better than Magneto.

Storm vs. Apocalypse would be a MUCH better fight and more realistic than Magneto trying to fight either of them. Storm can easily wield vast amounts of energy. Poccy's powers of absorption has limits. Storm could beat him by hitting him with too much power to fast and overload him before he can channel it back out. A lot of this would be dependent on what's motivating Storm to fight and how much power she is willing to tap into and use. . Storm evolved into Roguestorm by absorbing energies from the storm she summoned while in a statue-state. She was absorbing the same energies Magneto controls as well as others. In other words, Magneto working his power directly on Storm should only power her up. It should be very dangerous for him to try that on Storm. Again, this is ignored in Magneto arcs. If a writer wants to credibly write Magneto beating Storm, they need to give her all aspects of her power and her big power.

I hope this is clear.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on January 13, 2008, 09:21:57 am
I saw Liya Kebede on CNN today. Damn if she isn't an ideal model for Storm.  :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: sinjection on January 13, 2008, 10:19:03 am
I saw Liya Kebede on CNN today. Damn if she isn't an ideal model for Storm.  :)

She is a gorgeous woman to be sure.

Liya Kebede's facial features and skin hue are close approximates of those we are most used to seeing in drawings of Ororo.

I just hate the fact that somewhere, there are "those fans" who would look at that beautiful black woman and say that just like Ororo, Kebede is black, but not so black as to be noticeable, distracting or "ghettofy".
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on January 15, 2008, 02:43:58 am

Liya Kebede's facial features and skin hue are close approximates of those we are most used to seeing in drawings of Ororo.

I just hate the fact that somewhere, there are "those fans" who would look at that beautiful black woman and say that just like Ororo, Kebede is black, but not so black as to be noticeable, distracting or "ghettofy".

Those Jimmy Mofos would know less about real women than they claim about Storm.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 15, 2008, 07:21:36 am
I saw Liya Kebede on CNN today. Damn if she isn't an ideal model for Storm.  :)

More ideal than Nona Gaye? I respectfully disagree.

I agree with sinjection's remarks, respectfully also.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on January 15, 2008, 07:38:26 am
Nona Gaye is cool. But Liya Kebede catches my eye. I can definitely Photoshop her in Storm's costumes.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 16, 2008, 08:57:24 pm
Liya looks the part of Storm (and only in the face), but doesn't embody Storm's asskicking, name taking ride-or-die persona. Only Nona Gaye and Angela Bassett have that, and Angela is too short and too old (but would make a helluva reincarnated N'Dare Munroe).
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on January 17, 2008, 03:18:17 pm
I always thought Nona Gaye would make a good Storm but also Rachel Luttrell of Stargate Atlantis she has the 'look' and guess what is from Africa.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on January 20, 2008, 08:50:53 pm
Looks like Storm will be taking a high-profile role in the SECRET INVASION event:

http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12774
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on January 21, 2008, 07:29:33 pm
I hope so. After all those recent encounters she and T'Challa should be involved.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: sinjection on January 22, 2008, 01:07:52 am
I hope so. After all those recent encounters she and T'Challa should be involved.


But can we be so sure that T'Challa will even be accompanying Storm?

Looks like Storm will be taking a high-profile role in the SECRET INVASION event:

[url]http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12774[/url]


Damon says, "Looks like Storm will be taking a high-profile...."  I didn't see where he mentioned T'Challa. And since I no longer have access to that foreign forum (by my own choice of course), I can't examine the link to see if T'Challa is pictured with or mentioned along with Storm. It seems to me that as Hudlin is determined to make Ororo more of a partner to T'Challa, other Marvel writers are just as determined to write stories featuring Ororo without T'Challa in the hopes or perhaps in the anticipation of an eventual break up between the two characters.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 22, 2008, 02:10:19 am
This ^^^^^was EXACTLY my reaction as well,sin.We shall see if BP is mentioned when Storm is doing her SECRET INVASION thing.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 22, 2008, 02:45:06 am
Sounds to me like another attempt to have Storm stories that don't feature her husband. Honestly, how pointless was that Morlocks arc? It's ridiculous. They had Storm and they didn't want to use her. Then they gave her away - yes, loony Storm fans, Storm was kicked out of her own book. Now Marvel wants to keep bringing her back for special appearances? Why? I don't care! Less Storm, more Queen Ororo.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: sinjection on January 22, 2008, 06:23:52 am
This ^^^^^was EXACTLY my reaction as well,sin.We shall see if BP is mentioned when Storm is doing her SECRET INVASION thing.

For some odd reason, I was able to access that link. I won't explore any further to see what else I might be able to access where that foreign forum is concerned. Even clicking the link having that forum's name in the address was distasteful for me....but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.  ;)

I didn't read the entire spiel, but in when it got to Storm, the Black Panther and her new lofty status as Queen of Wakanda was mentioned. Still, I think the situation requires a very wary eye. As Jenn alluded to, when it appeared as if some writers had no compelling use for Ororo it is as if she became a useless appendage. Now that she is in a position befitting in every way, the type of character she is, it appears some writers are scrambling to include Storm in all of their projects sans her husband T'Challa. This is especially true of the x-writers.

I was asked by irate and irrational x-fans why it was T'Challa didn't think it important to help his wife in her efforts to preserve the existence of mutantkind. T'Challa doesn't really "think" anything. T'Challa is a comicbook character created in the image of a black man who is married to another comicbook character created in the image of an exotic-looking black woman. Many fans of the exotic-looking black female character, and apparently some writers as well, seem willing to ignore the wedded status of the two characters in what seems to be an attempt on their part to return Storm to her old "status quo".

I don't pretend to know the reason why the Black Panther wasn't shown assisting Storm in the messiah complex mess but my guess would be an attempt by the writers of the x-men to appease x-fans by having Storm appearing in their beyond boring and incredibly convoluted "mc" story - with plans to have her appearing in more stories with the team as often as possible - without even the merest mention of her marriage or of her husband to make it appear as if Storm is still "all x-man".

A few days ago, I picked up an issue of x-men #202 "Endangered Species" written by Mike Carey and an issue of uncanny x-men #494, "messiah complex". Mike Carey actually wrote a very interesting and entertaining "Ultimate Vision", but remove him from an interesting character and a stellar artist - Brandon Peterson - and put him on a book featuring played out, boring, wordy, worthless characters and team him with the artist Humberto Ramos, that is a no-win situation no matter how one looks at it.

I couldn't get through a reading of either book. I read enough of the "messiah complex mess" to confirm for myself that it appears another x-writer is setting another black male mutant up for something "bad". The good news is this. When I rang up the books, "Endangered Species" rang up the usual price but the "messiah complex mess" book was only 0.02. That's right. The book only cost me two cents to purchase.

Even still, the two cents I had to part company with was more money than I would have wanted to spend on that raggedy rag of a boring, plodding publication.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 22, 2008, 06:29:47 am
I hope so. After all those recent encounters she and T'Challa should be involved.


But can we be so sure that T'Challa will even be accompanying Storm?

Looks like Storm will be taking a high-profile role in the SECRET INVASION event:

[url]http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12774[/url]


Damon says, "Looks like Storm will be taking a high-profile...."  I didn't see where he mentioned T'Challa. And since I no longer have access to that foreign forum (by my own choice of course), I can't examine the link to see if T'Challa is pictured with or mentioned along with Storm. It seems to me that as Hudlin is determined to make Ororo more of a partner to T'Challa, other Marvel writers are just as determined to write stories featuring Ororo without T'Challa in the hopes or perhaps in the anticipation of an eventual break up between the two characters.


In the columns--Black Panther isn't one of the "card faces", i.e, the prime targets of Skrull replacements.  (They are using the Aces to represent Iron Man, Reed, etc; Kings were Prof X, Black Bolt--I believe)  The set of Queens includes Storm.  So, I don't think it is saying who is or isn't going to be a major player in the INVASION but who the Skrull's are targetting most--i.e., Storm is a likely canadated to be a Skrull.  So, basically they are saying that so far, BP isn't as likely a target as Storm is.  One of the basic reasons is that Storm is now far from home and the people who know her best so if she's been replaced, the X-men are more likely to catch on to those out of character things than BP would.  Hmm, maybe all those fans who are saying that Storm is being written out of character are onto something. >>I'm ducking!<< ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 22, 2008, 06:32:50 am
Sounds to me like another attempt to have Storm stories that don't feature her husband. Honestly, how pointless was that Morlocks arc? It's ridiculous. They had Storm and they didn't want to use her. Then they gave her away - yes, loony Storm fans, Storm was kicked out of her own book. Now Marvel wants to keep bringing her back for special appearances? Why? I don't care! Less Storm, more Queen Ororo.

Are they same writers? X-writers seem to change writers on an annual basis?  I know Ed B. came on board after she married BP.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 22, 2008, 06:38:30 am
So, I don't think it is saying who is or isn't going to be a major player in the INVASION but who the Skrull's are targetting most--i.e., Storm is a likely canadated to be a Skrull.  So, basically they are saying that so far, BP isn't as likely a target as Storm is.

Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the wee donkey, WHY CAN'T THEY LEAVE STORM THE HELL ALONE TO LIVE HER LIFE IN HOLY MATRIMONY!?!?!?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: sinjection on January 22, 2008, 06:41:53 am
In the columns--Black Panther isn't one of the "card faces", i.e, the prime targets of Skrull replacements.  (They are using the Aces to represent Iron Man, Reed, etc; Kings were Prof X, Black Bolt--I believe)  The set of Queens includes Storm.  So, I don't think it is saying who is or isn't going to be a major player in the INVASION but who the Skrull's are targetting most--i.e., Storm is a likely canadated to be a Skrull.  So, basically they are saying that so far, BP isn't as likely a target as Storm is.  One of the basic reasons is that Storm is now far from home and the people who know her best so if she's been replaced, the X-men are more likely to catch on to those out of character things than BP would.  Hmm, maybe all those fans who are saying that Storm is being written out of character are onto something. >>I'm ducking!<< ;D

Thanks for fleshing it out for us. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Marvel Comics wouldn't consider a black male character as being of such significance that the Skrull empire would consider him to be a "king" or an "ace" in their invasion scheme. Or rather, that the white male Marvel writer would decide that a black male character wouldn't be of such significance. That black male character's wife however....she who is still the wet dream of many a LCB-R D "fanboy" out there....why surely, make her a Queen. Maybe she will be written so "out of character" that she will enter into an extra-marital affair with Tony Stark.

Wouldn't "all those fans who are saying Storm is being written out of character" love that little bit of "out of character" action?  ;)

More likely, I can see them all - fingers so tightly-crossed they've become alabaster white from the lack of blood circulation - hoping against hope that Ororo is revealed to have been a Skrull all along, thus rendering invalid, the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 22, 2008, 06:45:51 am
More likely, I can see them all - fingers so tightly-crossed they've become alabaster white from the lack of blood circulation - hoping against hope that Ororo is revealed to have been a Skrull all along, thus rendering invalid, the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY.

I have Jesse and Al on speed dial, juuuust in case.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: sinjection on January 22, 2008, 06:57:10 am
More likely, I can see them all - fingers so tightly-crossed they've become alabaster white from the lack of blood circulation - hoping against hope that Ororo is revealed to have been a Skrull all along, thus rendering invalid, the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY.

I have Jesse and Al on speed dial, juuuust in case.

A good start to be sure. It might not be a bad idea to consider adding the "new" Black Panther Party to the list. If things get really dicey here, what better way for the "new" Black Panther Party to cut their teeth than in defending the Black Panther and his lovely wife, Storm?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 22, 2008, 01:45:37 pm
Hmmm,those face cards ideas sounds interesting.I like it. Is THE SENTRY targeted? THOR? WOLVERINE? SHE-HULK? I think there are a great many characters in the MU who aren't targeted but who could be.How does a Skrull Hercules or Director Hill or Jessica Drew grab ya? I don't think the Skrulls targeted THE HULK,as he was off-world,right? What about a Skrull Ares? The ILLUMINATI are targets? At first I didn't know that they would be targets,but any crew that can booty snatch Black Bolt? Very bad news,they.However,if THE ILLUMINATI were targeted,they should have targeted BP.That's more than a bit fishy.Really.That's my main issue with BP not being in the INVASION. TChalla was smart enough to turn away from THE ILLUMINATI,therefore he would certainly be a sizeable problem for The Skrulls.Is Spidey targeted? What about Toya's PHOTON? That would be realllyyy baaad news.Power of the sun.All Skrulled out.Very not good.Is Spidey targeted? The Skrulls would give him trouble lasting longer than ONE MORE DAY,lol.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on January 22, 2008, 02:04:13 pm
Man, I never realized when I posted that item there'd be so many jumped to conclusions.  The write-up clearly states:

"But like the other Queens, it’s more what and who Storm knows that makes her dangerous to the Skrulls, and marrying the Black Panther and becoming the Queen of Wakanda has made Storm especially threatening.

It also states:

“A Skull impersonating Storm becomes a player with connections and respect among the mutant community,” Brevoort said. “And a player with access to the shadowy goings-on within Wakanda, one of the most technologically-advanced and secretive nations on the planet.”

Clearly, the fact that she's married to the Panther makes her a more formidable threat to the Skrulls.  In fact, its probably WHY she may be a target in the first place.  It hardly sounds like her marriage or the Panther is being ignored here.  Sue Richards is also listed as a potential target, but no one assumes that means the Fantastic Four aren't going to be included.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 22, 2008, 03:56:05 pm
Clearly, the fact that she's married to the Panther makes her a more formidable threat to the Skrulls.  In fact, its probably WHY she may be a target in the first place.  It hardly sounds like her marriage or the Panther is being ignored here.  Sue Richards is also listed as a potential target, but no one assumes that means the Fantastic Four aren't going to be included.

Probably because we're not talking about the Fantastic Four. I'm sure that Storm's MARRIAGE means something to this arc. That doesn't mean that her HUSBAND is going to be included. Big difference.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on January 22, 2008, 04:22:28 pm
Quote
Probably because we're not talking about the Fantastic Four. I'm sure that Storm's MARRIAGE means something to this arc. That doesn't mean that her HUSBAND is going to be included. Big difference.

It doesn't mean he's NOT going to be included either.  Yet it seems some have come to that conclusion, despite any evidence of it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 22, 2008, 05:23:35 pm
...i.e., Storm is a likely canadated to be a Skrull.  ...

...WHY CAN'T THEY LEAVE STORM THE HELL ALONE TO LIVE HER LIFE IN HOLY MATRIMONY!?!?!?



From a buisness point of view, fanning this flames is a good idea.  You have the one party who wants the marriage annulled so they want that Storm to be a Skrull.  You have another party who doesn't want it to happen.  By keeping this war going, it spurs both parties to remain interested in the storyline.  No matter the outcome, it helps Secret Invasion sales.

And their are so many other permutations of either one being a Skrull.  Of course, there are other parties who don't care either way, as long as it is a good story.  But by encouraging these online debates, even the flamewars, they get so much free advertising.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on January 22, 2008, 06:12:45 pm
But can we be so sure that T'Challa will even be accompanying Storm?

I don't know! Ask Reggie!  ;D

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Damon says, "Looks like Storm will be taking a high-profile...."  I didn't see where he mentioned T'Challa. And since I no longer have access to that foreign forum (by my own choice of course), I can't examine the link to see if T'Challa is pictured with or mentioned along with Storm. It seems to me that as Hudlin is determined to make Ororo more of a partner to T'Challa, other Marvel writers are just as determined to write stories featuring Ororo without T'Challa in the hopes or perhaps in the anticipation of an eventual break up between the two characters.

The article is about Marvel's 'Queens'. If you scroll down, you'll see they have the 'Kings' and 'Aces'. If you read on, you'll see much of what the editor is talking about is just his speculation.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on January 22, 2008, 06:14:08 pm
Sounds to me like another attempt to have Storm stories that don't feature her husband. Honestly, how pointless was that Morlocks arc? It's ridiculous. They had Storm and they didn't want to use her. Then they gave her away - yes, loony Storm fans, Storm was kicked out of her own book. Now Marvel wants to keep bringing her back for special appearances? Why? I don't care! Less Storm, more Queen Ororo.

Thank you. I'm glad I didn't bother returning to reading X-Men just yet.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 22, 2008, 06:39:58 pm
It doesn't mean he's NOT going to be included either.  Yet it seems some have come to that conclusion, despite any evidence of it.

People come to conclusions different from yours? THE HELL, YOU SAY!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 23, 2008, 01:10:43 am
 The flamewars and tantalizing the various fans in the MU with Skrull impersonators will keep everyone buzzin and--as previously stated--provide priceless word of mouth. Our concerns about the absence of BP specifically--not Storm,BP--are reflective of the way he's been largely relegated to the periphery of the MU and MU-wide events--if he was even THAT close--prior to the coming of RH.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 23, 2008, 05:31:30 am
The flamewars and tantalizing the various fans in the MU with Skrull impersonators will keep everyone buzzin and--as previously stated--provide priceless word of mouth. Our concerns about the absence of BP specifically--not Storm,BP--are reflective of the way he's been largely relegated to the periphery of the MU and MU-wide events--if he was even THAT close--prior to the coming of RH.

Well, let's face it; with a cast of hundreds, the story has to be focused somewhere.  And with the beating Tony's reputation has taken over the last couple of years, he needs a chance to shine again.

But let's also remember that being a key player in the storyline may not be a good thing.  A)  Being in the center means something dangerous/bad is happening to you.  So, putting BP and/or Wakanda in the mix could create stories like:  Since Wakanda is an isolationist nation, no one noticed that the Skrulls conquored the nation before Priest's run, and every Wakandan we've seen since then is a Skrull.  OR  the Skrulls would beat Wakandan tech handily, humble the PGs and put BP in a place where he must come back from impossible odds to win.  You know, the stories where BP was literally beaten within an inch of his life and came back to win, well this will be metephorically beaten within an inch of his life and comes back for a win, with the help of the rest of the MU.    B)  Marvel is planning to shake up the status quo.  A BP in the center of this storm could find himself an exile, a destroyed Wakanda, or etc.  C) and since this is Bendis' storyline, being in the center would mean that Bendis, not Reggie would decide how BP plays.  So, being a major player could be a good thing, or it could not.  It all depends.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: bluezulu on January 23, 2008, 06:39:13 am
I said it once and I will say it again, if Storm is a Skrull that would be the most stupid thing ever. The watcher was at the wedding and remarked the fact that Tchalla and Storm  will have children. He is the Watcher. Also a man with heightend sences like Black Panther cant tell a Skrull but oh Wolverine can. If it was me given a choice of having Storm a Skrull and walking away from the book, I woud walk away.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 23, 2008, 07:03:40 am
I said it once and I will say it again, if Storm is a Skrull that would be the most stupid thing ever. The watcher was at the wedding and remarked the fact that Tchalla and Storm  will have children. He is the Watcher. Also a man with heightend sences like Black Panther cant tell a Skrull but oh Wolverine can. If it was me given a choice of having Storm a Skrull and walking away from the book, I woud walk away.

Well according to New Avengers and Mighty Avengers, Skrulls have figured out way to hide themselves from Wolverine and Daredevil.  So, no, their senses cannot penetrate these disguises.  In fact, in the Illumanti storyline, Iron Man's tech couldn't pierce the disguise, even though he was specifically searching for Skrulls and had a dead Skrull body to use as a resource.  Professor X was fooled and possibly even Dr. Strange has been fooled.  So, all you know about Skrull's ability to disguise themselves is "out the window."  Their tech (and I suspect their magic) is now at a level that it might even be able to trick the Watcher. 

That said, I still don't believe Storm at the wedding is a Skrull.  Storm we see today could be, BP we see today could be.  But I doubt they will "undo" the wedding, unless Mephisto shows up.  Well, then again, he does have a bone to pick with BP.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on January 23, 2008, 08:05:11 am

People come to conclusions different from yours? THE HELL, YOU SAY!

I haven't come to a conclusion.  I'm one of those radicals that believes in actually reading the story and drawing a conclusion based on what actually takes place. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 23, 2008, 08:17:11 am
A WINNAR IS YOU!!!111

*eyeroll*

If it was me given a choice of having Storm a Skrull and walking away from the book, I woud walk away.

If Storm is a Skrull, it won't be under Hudlin's pen. I'll bet the farm on that. If you think about it, it's a damn good way to get him off the book. Present him with the dumb sh*t idea of making Storm a Skrull. Hudlin walks, Storm's a Skrull, the marriage gets retconned and the fanbratti get White Chocolate Storm back.

Excuse me, I need to lie down for a minute.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on January 23, 2008, 08:32:19 am
Feel the love!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 23, 2008, 10:56:12 am
KIP,bluezulu,Jenn and DamonO make good points...although I don't see PRIEST'S run being relegated to Skrullification (but considering how things are going now,it's not out of the question.Which is a HORRIBLE thought).
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 23, 2008, 12:29:54 pm
I said it once and I will say it again, if Storm is a Skrull that would be the most stupid thing ever. The watcher was at the wedding and remarked the fact that Tchalla and Storm  will have children. He is the Watcher. Also a man with heightend sences like Black Panther cant tell a Skrull but oh Wolverine can. If it was me given a choice of having Storm a Skrull and walking away from the book, I woud walk away.

Well according to New Avengers and Mighty Avengers, Skrulls have figured out way to hide themselves from Wolverine and Daredevil.  So, no, their senses cannot penetrate these disguises.  In fact, in the Illumanti storyline, Iron Man's tech couldn't pierce the disguise, even though he was specifically searching for Skrulls and had a dead Skrull body to use as a resource.  Professor X was fooled and possibly even Dr. Strange has been fooled.  So, all you know about Skrull's ability to disguise themselves is "out the window."  Their tech (and I suspect their magic) is now at a level that it might even be able to trick the Watcher. 

That said, I still don't believe Storm at the wedding is a Skrull.  Storm we see today could be, BP we see today could be.  But I doubt they will "undo" the wedding, unless Mephisto shows up.  Well, then again, he does have a bone to pick with BP.

She better not be a Skrull. I don't want anything that has happened with Storm/BP to be devalued with some stupid crap like this. If they want to make somebody a Skrull, make Ms. Marvel/Binary a Skrull and have Storm clean her clock. That would be fun. :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: The Evasive 1 on January 23, 2008, 01:12:24 pm
You know, with all this fearful talk about some idiotic idea of some writer or editor to retconn the "Marriage of the Century", I still am worried because if they are going to let some new writer come in and retcon Peter and Marry Jane's marriage after all this time, why wouldn't they just decide to retcon BP and Sorm's marriage?

Ooh I am freakin' myself out now. Sheesh!
 :(
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: bluezulu on January 23, 2008, 03:46:16 pm
No it isn't so much retconning the marriage of bp and storm. My issue is making her a skrull. That is bs and a cop out to the fanboys who said this back in issue 18. Never mind the fact that it is weak and has little to no set up. They naysayers of the wedding can say forced however there are actual pages showing some type of relationship between tchala and storm. Making her a Skrull despite damn near two years of stories saying other wise is stupid. I mean when would she have been abducted? I have a great imagination but from what I have seen from the past 3 years from black panther/storm gives no leeway for an abduction and body plant. I am not going to go all dramatic like the fanboys over the parker/mj marriage but unless editorial and writer can pull some hellafied magic I don't see how they can make this half way feasible. However not going to get worked up because obviously if this was going to happen then while the couple has been out in space Reg would have worked in some marital issues so at least we could half way be set up for a meaningful split. Come on "sorry tchalla for the past year you been hitting skrull?"  ::)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 23, 2008, 04:35:19 pm
"Sorry TChalla but for the past year you've been hittin skrull." HAHAHAHAHA!! +3!!

There ARE ways that both BP and Storm could've gotten Skrulled in RH BP. With no special reflection,I can recall BP stalking the underground sewers when Koi was our artist and just before BW got mopped by the Doras.The Skrulls coulda booty snatched him then.And they coulda snagged Ororo while en route to her grandparents' crib after backing down Tony and I think before bearding Reed in the baxter building.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 23, 2008, 10:47:20 pm
A scientist was asked about how fast would the winds have to be travelling in order for Storm to do this:
http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch33mk.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvshumantorch45fm.jpg

Hello, Tre:
O.K, first thing is that the universe does not work the way the people who
write comic books think it does. That said, the problem is actually
pretty simple.

First, how much does a skyscraper weigh? Engineers designing buildings
simplify the calculations by settling on a load per square foot of floor.
Residential buildings are designed for a live load of 20 pounds per square
foot, offices at 60 pounds, libraries and warehouses at 100 pounds per
square foot. If we then add in the weight of the flooring, supports,
columns, plumbing and electrical systems, and so forth, we won't be far
off if we say each floor of a typical skyscraper weighs 80 pounds per
square foot. For a forty story building (again, pretty typical) that
would be a total of 3200 pounds per square foot.

Now as to the amount of wind needed to apply 3200 pounds to each square
foot of the bottom of our skyscraper:
http://www.arra
ysolutions.com/Products/windloads.htm

The fast, simple formula for wind loads on buildings is P = .00256 V^2,
where P is the pressure exerted and V is the wind speed in miles per
hour. Turning this sideways, we have V = sqrt of (3200 / .00256), which
is 1120 miles per hour! This is a good breeze -- in fact it's about Mach
1.6.

There are still problems with this: For one thing, skyscrapers do not
have flat bottoms, much less ones capable of resisting a force of 3200
pounds per square foot upwards. Even if they did, the air along the edges
would not be carrying its full load, since it would be "leaking" around
the perimeter. At the same time I am not taking into account the effects
of the wind blowing along the outside walls of the building, since that
requires calculating Renyolds numbers and a coefficient of skin friction,
which is messy. So you will just have to become an aeronautical engineer
and do that yourself!

1120 mph. Let not forget how she flew from Austrailia to the Savage Land located in Antarctica in a matter of minutes which would require winds even faster. :)

Storm's winds should be lcategorized hypersonic in the Official Handbooks.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 23, 2008, 10:50:11 pm
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/theweathergod/12.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/theweathergod/13.jpg

Here is just for fun:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/theweathergod/breakrulesofnature.jpg

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 23, 2008, 10:56:40 pm
Her ability to see and control "Patterns of Energy" is clear enough for me that she can operate anywhere.

Hers is one of the base powersets with almost unlimited applications.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: bluezulu on January 24, 2008, 05:56:15 am
Rutog what do you do for a living? :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 24, 2008, 03:48:20 pm
Nobody can see Rutog on any matters relating to Storm.Betcha Rutog can even run CC,lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: bluezulu on January 24, 2008, 04:27:22 pm
lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 24, 2008, 05:06:42 pm
Rutog what do you do for a living? :)

I'm a college student (and a darn good one. Nothing less than a "B" on my transcript). :D

That scientist quote came from an internet friend of mine. He asked a scientist. I just posted it here.

You see how I am with Storm? This is the way I am in other aspects of my life. I don't go to bars/clubs, etc. I sit at home, read, do my homework and hang out with a few friends every so often. I'm not geeky, contrary to what you may think of my thread here. lol. I lead a simple life and I'm happy with that. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 25, 2008, 06:38:10 am
GGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkk!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: sinjection on January 25, 2008, 09:26:13 am
If Storm is a Skrull, it won't be under Hudlin's pen. I'll bet the farm on that. If you think about it, it's a damn good way to get him off the book. Present him with the dumb sh*t idea of making Storm a Skrull. Hudlin walks, Storm's a Skrull, the marriage gets retconned and the fanbratti get White Chocolate Storm back.

You know, with all this fearful talk about some idiotic idea of some writer or editor to retconn the Marriage of the Century", I still am worried because if they are going to let some new writer come in and retcon Peter and Marry Jane's marriage after all this time, why wouldn't they just decide to retcon BP and Sorm's marriage?

Ooh I am freakin' myself out now. Sheesh!
 :(

I look at pictures of Bendis' sneering face and I see him telling me and the rest of the black readers of Marvel's comicbooks: "You might as well face it, T'Challa's addicted to Skrull."

I have the sinking feeling that one of the Wakandan Royals is a Skrull and the most likely candidate is the very likely soon-to-be-reunited-with-the-x*men Storm. Why do I believe this could very well be the case? Because there are "more of them than there are of us."

Years, many years ago, the citizens of Roxbury, MA - black folks - were fed up with the poor service their community was receiving from the larger predominately-white Boston city government. The Roxbury citizens began a serious effort to "secede" from Boston. I will never forget during a rancorous debate, an old white woman jumped to her feet with a warning to those blacks participating in the referendum. She said, "You just remember! There's more of us than there are of you!" She then resumed her seat, triple-chins quivering with triumphant rage.

My friends. My fellow HEFfas...so it is with the black readers of  comicbooks and the LCB-R D.

They have numbers and time on their side. Who spends the most money for the Marvel Comics' product? So they will wait us out and hope to win through attrition. Jenn paints a very grim, yet very probable scenario. Evasive hit the nail right on the head. As Frostbite would call them, "tptb" wanted the Peter Parker/Mary Jane Watson-Parker marriage done away with. That marriage no longer exists.

Claremont has already given Marvel Comics a blueprint of the demise of the Marriage Of The Century in his Exiles book featuring T'Challa and Ororo at each other's throats.

We can only hang on and hope for the best....and of course, keep supporting THE BLACK PANTHER and STORM publication.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on January 25, 2008, 11:30:50 am
Actually it would be cool if T'Challa is a skrull it would give the book that Captain America feel with Steve Rogers but not dead.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 25, 2008, 12:08:42 pm
GGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkk!

LOL!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on January 25, 2008, 02:35:13 pm
Strictly from an editorial viewpoint being Queen of Wakanda gives Ororo nice avenues of exploration and a freshness to what was a stale character. BP book continuing (we hope) or not what would they do, return her to sitting around the mansion? Its not like were doing anything with her. Besides they are the supercouple and a rare black one at that. They aren't messing with that.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 25, 2008, 09:34:10 pm
They aren't messing with that.

If Marvel can break up Spiderman and Mary Jane, they can break up Black Panther and Storm.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: PFunk on January 25, 2008, 11:40:23 pm
Agreed.  But unlikely since breaking up BP and Storm might spark some sort of racial backlash outside of comics.  But I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 26, 2008, 06:09:13 am
Agreed.  But unlikely since breaking up BP and Storm might spark some sort of racial backlash outside of comics.  But I might be wrong.

I don't have that confidience.  The number one counter argument would be--black people divorce too in the real world.  They're just reflecting the real world.  And if they can break-up Peter and MJ, Hank and Jan, Scott and Jean, then the trend is for the marriage to broken.  (in fact, the ony marriage that stands the test of time is Reed and Sue's.  (remember, there is a very strong sentiment among some comic writers that there is nothing worse than a married super-hero, except possibly for a divorced one.)

Besides, there are worse outcomes than divorce, like abandonment and cheating.  My fear would be this:  IF Black Panther was ever canceled, the X-writers would want her back, but they have no place for BP, a human.  So, they would have her leave him.  Marriage could be still intact, but practically speaking it is over.  (They could reinstate a Priest idea, that the king can have more than one wife and he decides after a couple of years of marriage, that he wants or needs a Wakandan as a bride.  Especially, if they haven't had children by this point in time. And therefore Storm leaves.)

Potential worse yet, if no one else is writing BP, then X-House would have control over Wakanda and BP.  In a title which focuses on human-mutant conflict, how much do you want to bet they would turn Wakanda into a hot-bed for anti-mutant activity?  Anti-mutants Wakandas revolt against a mutant queen and force her into exile and possibly annulment of the wedding.

As long as BP is being published, this probably won't happen. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 29, 2008, 09:24:15 am
Nah,BP and Storm are afe for at least this year.Comics are written and turned in waaay before thy wend their way to us,so we know tht storm and BP are cool up to the summer,with neither of the gettin Skrulled.The PARANOIA and REAL THREAT of Skrullification is there,but he REALITY is next to zero...ESPECIALLY,as was previously pointed out,if BP keeps doing solid numbers.The Marriage of the Century won't be retconned as long as RH is in control.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Frostbite883 on January 29, 2008, 05:33:20 pm
Hopefully, Hudlin can keep the title going for at least until Black Panther made it to issue 65.

So here's hoping.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: The Evasive 1 on January 29, 2008, 06:02:14 pm
Actually it would be cool if T'Challa is a skrull it would give the book that Captain America feel with Steve Rogers but not dead.

Uh, what? :(  I wouldn't find that cool at all. I also don't think it would be the same feel unless you have a Brubaker writing it (God forbid) as he seems to have a knack for that type of story. I actually don't care for the CA comic right now just because of that. I'm even more turned off now that Bucky is being made the new Cap courtesy of Tony Stark. If anything, that scenario buys into all the "alternative" fanboy BS we have been talking about here. The LCB-R D never wanted the marriage in the first place. Skrullification finally gives the naysayers and the writers who want the"white chocolate fantasy" back with the X-men like they always wanted. Oh, Hell no!! But, then I'm sure you already know that as I am just repeating what others have said in this thread already.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion though...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 30, 2008, 12:17:39 pm
Hopefully, Hudlin can keep the title going for at least until Black Panther made it to issue 65.

So here's hoping.


why 65?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on February 22, 2008, 09:36:45 am
I'm looking forward to............

#100 (double sized-big up to all my haters-you thought we wouldn't make it but its all good, spectacular)

Also,

On another note, I found this today while surfing:

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html)

http://kaedrin.com/weblog/archive/000834.html (http://kaedrin.com/weblog/archive/000834.html)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread89869/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread89869/pg1)

Storm could creat this cold plasma (it is in her power to control lightning, gasses, and preasure)

She could use this to:

Fly at hypersonic speeds
Shield herself from all manner of attacks
Sterilize equipment and people
Shield areas from Nuclear fallout
Cloak herself
etc.

what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 23, 2008, 04:29:00 pm
I love it! I want to see this in canon for Storm. :D

Hey, here are my favorite episodes from the old-school X-Men cartoons:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=t3ge5TIHcM8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W_ne5pYz6PM&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eG1Gk5FU45o&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4LleFYVp5io&feature=related
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Frostbite883 on February 26, 2008, 01:03:19 am
Hopefully, Hudlin can keep the title going for at least until Black Panther made it to issue 65.

So here's hoping.


why 65?

Well, some (or most) comic fans believe that if an ongoing comic title reaches issue sixty-five or
over, then there would be a higher chance for an ongoing title to last longer and/or achieve success
in the long run by the comic sale numbers. And if the ongoing TPB collection (including it's last
and current TPB formal) then the comic conpany would likely have the comic character's comic title
to either remain in publication, start the title character(s) in a new volume comic series or appear in
another comic book title.

I was saying that if Black Panther, at least, made it to issue 65 then that would've been cool
to see another mainstream black hero comic made it to a higher comicbook issue then expected by
the naysayers.

But, if the current BP title did continue over the 65 comic limit then that would be oh so, sweet!  8)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2008, 12:24:36 pm
Storm vs. Firestar:

Storm, easily. She's way too versatile. Firestar has no defense at all against Ororo's powers while technically, Ororo can control Firestar's powers. Storm controls heat. She has to do this in order to control wind, pressure gradients, etc. That microwave heat that Firestar *projects* is the same heat Ororo *controls* when she's controlling the weather, moving weather patters, etc. Technically, Firestar should not even be able to hurt Storm with her powers as Storm is immune to temperature and climate. Similar, when Firestar and Pyro fought, he was able to redirect the heat she threw at him. At the bare minimum, Storm should be able to accomplish the same feat. If push came to shove, Ororo could whip up a concentrated blizzard assault of ice and snow to absorb the microwaves Firestar threw at her as this would absorb Angelica's radiation power like a sponge. I've seen Ororo in cannon concentrate a monsoon into such an attack that she was able to repel Volcana's fire assaults upon her. She can do the same here against Firestar using snow and ice instead of rain.

On the other hand, Firestar is not immune to electrocution nor does she have any defense against Storm's electrical assault. If Storm whipped up a windstorm or vortex, again there is nothing Firestar can do against that either. Firestar can be suffocated, smashed to the ground with a microburst or hurled into buildings or mountainsides with enormously powerful winds. Again, there is nothing Firestar can do against that.

In the final analysis, Storm has way too big an arsenal for Firestar to even have a prayer of coping with. Her attacks are environmental. By that, I mean they affect the entire area and are not limited to any one target unless Storm wills it so. This means that Firestar has no way of avoiding most of Storm's attacks. On top of that, if written with all aspects of her powers, Ororo should be able to control whatever Firestar throws at her, absorb it with snow, absorb it harmlessly into her body (Storm can do this too) or simply redirect it with a thought. Firestar should not be able to hurt Storm. Telepaths and elementals are not good opponents for Ororo as she's too well protected from these powers unless PIS is introduced into the story to weaken Ororo.

Well, this is something that came up on another board. I just thought I would post my opinion of it here. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 01, 2008, 01:17:55 pm
posted on X-Fan August 15th by Chris Claremont
Folks:

My turn to weigh in on a couple of points, with your kind indulgence:

Regarding Storm and Forge. They were lovers. It ended, they moved on. Regardless of what transpired after I left the book -- ie, the proposal -- they have likewise moved beyond that pothole in the road of life to the point where they are the best of friends and companions. Anyone has a problem with that, tough, because it's taken from (gasp) real life. Oddly enough, many relationships in this series are; we writers tend to swipe from everything.

As for Storm and Marrow -- clearly, the bipolar mood swings of their relationship provide the seeds for a potentially powerful story. The question now is, where's Marrow (because if she's committed to another title the writer there may have plans along those lines)? All things being equal, it's something to consider down the road.

The thing to bear in mind with Storm, though, is that she very much reflects her name. Sometimes, she can be considerate and nurturing while at others she can scour the landscape down to the bare rock. Working through the kinks in one's own psyche is challange enough even without having the weather in your vicinity reflect your emotional state. It's an ongoing process.

She's very much a product of the land of her youth, also the land of her ancestry -- which is elemental and primal and above all fierce. What creates a bond with Sage is that both their characters were forged in the absolute necessity to survive, pretty much on their own. No home, no family, nothing to rely on but their own wits and strength and skills. What creates a bond between Storm and (my conception of) Jean -- and a potential abyss between her and Charles Xavier as he's currently being portrayed -- is the fact that both these women came to face, in the most brutal and unforgiving terms, the consequences of power without restraint, without responsibility. Unchecked, they can cause untold harm, even if they start with the best of intentions. (Kind of like being the sole super-power in the world. At least, when there were two with the capability and will to annihilate all life on earth, they tended to keep one another honest and in balance. Winning global peace is apparently much easier than sustaining it.) Be interesting to see how things develop in the X-community from here on.

Cordially,
Chris Claremont
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on May 02, 2008, 08:59:45 am
Very interesting

thanks for that
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Oshtur on May 02, 2008, 07:33:47 pm
PFUNK makes an interesting point. While divorce is common, having only one married black couple, actively seen, in the universe is not.

Imaginative writers are not having a problem writing for married heroes.  The Incredibles were hilarious.  Marriage getting in the way is too cliche best left to the era of the "sexual revolution".

Excellent notes on Storm's abilities.   By the way, could someone please explain to the board that Storm's genetic memories are in no way similar to a "collective consciousness" as with the Uni-Mind of the Eternals?  You are doing a great job with everything else.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 02, 2008, 08:23:54 pm
Storm vs. Firestar:

Storm, easily. She's way too versatile. Firestar has no defense at all against Ororo's powers while technically, Ororo can control Firestar's powers. Storm controls heat. She has to do this in order to control wind, pressure gradients, etc. That microwave heat that Firestar *projects* is the same heat Ororo *controls* when she's controlling the weather, moving weather patters, etc. Technically, Firestar should not even be able to hurt Storm with her powers as Storm is immune to temperature and climate. Similar, when Firestar and Pyro fought, he was able to redirect the heat she threw at him. At the bare minimum, Storm should be able to accomplish the same feat. If push came to shove, Ororo could whip up a concentrated blizzard assault of ice and snow to absorb the microwaves Firestar threw at her as this would absorb Angelica's radiation power like a sponge. I've seen Ororo in cannon concentrate a monsoon into such an attack that she was able to repel Volcana's fire assaults upon her. She can do the same here against Firestar using snow and ice instead of rain.

Not that I think Firestar has a chance, but Firestar's powers are very different than Pyro's or Volcano's powers.  She doesn't generate heat (that's a byproduct of her power); she releases and controls microwaves, and she can channel so much microwaves that not all the water on earth could absorb it, because she has an unlimited supply.  She generates microwaves that produce more power than Firelord can generate.   She can open stargates on her own.  Wikiepedia even lists her as an Omega (though I've never seen that in a comic), because I don't think she can "run out" of energy;  she uses all the radiation that exists in the universe.  (Interesting thing, as Rutog views Storm, both are infinitely more powerful in outer space than on earth.)

Again, I don't think she'd beat Storm, because like you said, Storm is infinitely more versatile and Firestar would never fight to kill or destroy all life on earth with radiation posioning. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on May 04, 2008, 07:34:59 pm
Ah hahaha! Great praise of Storm, by one Lore Sjörberg. Take that (ya bitches!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3YQbJlk_ZM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3YQbJlk_ZM)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 09, 2008, 01:27:11 am
Storm vs. Firestar:

Storm, easily. She's way too versatile. Firestar has no defense at all against Ororo's powers while technically, Ororo can control Firestar's powers. Storm controls heat. She has to do this in order to control wind, pressure gradients, etc. That microwave heat that Firestar *projects* is the same heat Ororo *controls* when she's controlling the weather, moving weather patters, etc. Technically, Firestar should not even be able to hurt Storm with her powers as Storm is immune to temperature and climate. Similar, when Firestar and Pyro fought, he was able to redirect the heat she threw at him. At the bare minimum, Storm should be able to accomplish the same feat. If push came to shove, Ororo could whip up a concentrated blizzard assault of ice and snow to absorb the microwaves Firestar threw at her as this would absorb Angelica's radiation power like a sponge. I've seen Ororo in cannon concentrate a monsoon into such an attack that she was able to repel Volcana's fire assaults upon her. She can do the same here against Firestar using snow and ice instead of rain.


Not that I think Firestar has a chance, but Firestar's powers are very different than Pyro's or Volcano's powers.  She doesn't generate heat (that's a byproduct of her power); she releases and controls microwaves, and she can channel so much microwaves that not all the water on earth could absorb it, because she has an unlimited supply.  She generates microwaves that produce more power than Firelord can generate.   She can open stargates on her own.  Wikiepedia even lists her as an Omega (though I've never seen that in a comic), because I don't think she can "run out" of energy;  she uses all the radiation that exists in the universe.  (Interesting thing, as Rutog views Storm, both are infinitely more powerful in outer space than on earth.)

Again, I don't think she'd beat Storm, because like you said, Storm is infinitely more versatile and Firestar would never fight to kill or destroy all life on earth with radiation posioning. 


Firestar basically projects the energies of the EM spectrum (or, at least, certain wavelengths of it). Storm controls the forces that patterns the weather. This gives her control over the same forces that Firestar controls as well as other forces Firestar has no control over hence Storm has been able to control gamma rays on a global scale, command the solar winds (there was a Skrull who used technology to mimick her powers and used selected radiations from the solar winds to hurt Gladiator of the Imperial Guard), controls stars, etc. I'm not even sure if Firestar should be able to directly harm Storm with her powers. Given a lot of the canon written for Ororo, she may be immune to Firestar's abilities. Again, elemental powers and telepathy are the worst powers one can fight Storm with.

Also, Storm really isn't limited to just the resources on Earth despite what some issues say. Look at this:
http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg12mo8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg13dm3.jpg
Storm was connected to the lifeforce of the sun even while on Earth and saw it as patterns of energy. Technically, there is no reason why she could not draw upon its resources if she needed to while on Earth. We have seen her create fields of pressure on Earth greater than the pressures found on the surface of Jupiter. To create this kind of pressure field, she would have had to draw upon an enormous amount of heat. One might argue she tapped into the heat at the core of the planet and brought it up to the atmosphere, or she could have simply pulled more heat from space into the atmosphere to accomplish this. Lets face it, when she summoned the full power of millions of stars, most of those stars had to have been billions  if not trillions or hundreds of trillions of miles away from her. The lady is definately an omega mutant. I feel she just usually restricts herself to the resources of the planet and avoids bringing in other resources for the sake or avioding the risk of destroying the planet's biosphere. Her limits are defined by the strength of her body and will/spirit. Her willpower and strength of spirit is second to none in the MU as it has even been to easily contain the very essense of the cosmic entity, Eternity. Her body limits are temprorary as she will one day evolve beyond humanity, and, has even done this several times when the circumances got dire enough. Her limits are self-imposed just like the canon states.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on May 13, 2008, 10:09:41 am
Hey Rutogg  ;D

Just stopped in to show some love.

Have you already talked about her "new" "Outfit"?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 17, 2008, 04:37:19 pm
Hey Rutogg  ;D

Just stopped in to show some love.

Have you already talked about her "new" "Outfit"?

Hey, Blue,

I'll have to get some scans of that outfit. Some drawings I see of it I can't stand then I see others and I like it better.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 28, 2008, 07:04:42 am
Hey, guys,

This is taken from the discussion with a bonafide scientist who happens to be a Storm fan on another board. He is talking about her powers and I just thought it might be a fun read here:


Scientist:

I know this is like beating a dead horse (not a pretty analogy), but I was tinkering with the idea of how Storm's powers might work. It's still a work in progress, but I'd like some feed back from folks who are also interested. Please note that I did not ad specific references of any particular feat, but rather applied those feats in a more general model.

Here it goes...


Storm is a mutant who possesses the psionic ability to manipulate matter and energy as manifest in natural forces and related phenomena. She is able to mentally tap into the surrounding environment to create various natural effects including storms, tidal waves, and on rare occasions – earthquakes and cosmic disturbances. Storm’s abilities are limited by the physical properties of her environment. She can only use the available matter and energy of a particular system and cannot create either from nothing.

As manifest as planetary atmospheric phenomena
Storm shares a unique connection to the weather systems of the planet she inhabits. She is able to raise or lower the air temperature; can cause severe weather such as storms, hurricanes, and tornadoes; can control and manipulate the humidity and precipitation in the air; and can channel and direct the electromagnetic current within the atmosphere to create a plethora of related phenomena including lightning.

As manifest as planetary hydrospheric phenomena
Storm is able to sense and direct currents within large bodies of water. She is able to create and sustain waves of relative sizes compared to the body of water she has established a connection with, this includes tsunami sized waves and water walls. She is able to manipulate water in all of its material phases including gaseous, liquid and solid states.

As manifest as planetary plasmaspheric phenomena
Storm is able to manipulate the ionosphere and planetary magnetic field to induce electromagnetic currents, deflect stellar particles and radiation, and stimulate electric currents in the lower planetary atmosphere.

As manifest as planetary lithospheric phenomena
Although a denser medium than the liquid and gaseous states of the previous categories, Storm is able to sense and manipulate disturbances in the lithosphere and planetary core. The extent of this ability is not well documented, however, Storm’s empathic awareness and control over natural occurring lithospheric disturbances (earthquakes) has been observed.

As manifest as extra-planetary (stellar atmosphere & inter-stellar medium) phenomena
Storm can summon, sense and direct stellar and inter-stellar particles and radiation. This includes ambient radiation and matter within the inter-stellar medium. Within close proximity to a stellar atmosphere, Storm can create and sustain cosmic storms and stellar winds to, as of yet, an unknown intensity.

Limits
As mentioned above, Storm’s limits are the very limits of nature. Her powers are bound by the physical law of the conservation of matter and energy. She, therefore, cannot create matter or energy from nothing and can only establish phenomena that can exist naturally with the available matter and energetic states present in the system she wishes to control. As such, a consequence of any action she takes using her abilities results in the loss of potential material and energy from a seperate, but related system (i.e. robbing moisture from one place to create rain in another). However, it should be noted that there is no known limit to the size and physical extent of matter and energy she can influence. It should also be noted that her manipulation of relatively energetically expensive systems have been known to cause her fatigue and physical strain.

As a seperate consequence of Storm's psionic connection to nature, her moods, emotions, and thought patterns subsequently manifest subconciously in the mediums she is connected to. She, therefore, tends to suppress extreme emotions or thoughts in order to maintain an atmosphere of calm and prevent unintended severe natural disasters.

Question asked by a Storm fan:

I was talkin about the EM spectrum and how I read somewhere that it's just photons(in wave form) at various energy levels or frequencies. I wanted to know how they get from one energy level to the next, an if Storm could use her control over electrons to accomplish this.

I don't know much about quantumn physics but electrons absorb photons or something and the electrons get energized.

I dunno, that's why I was asking.

I'll look up the photoelectric effect.


The scientist responds:

Yes Tee, there is a relationship between photons and electrons! You are absolutely correct! Photons can be absorbed by electrons. But remember that pesky little rule I mentioned in my outline of Storm's powers, the law of conservation of matter and energy. It turn's out that photons are a little different than most particles. Photons lack any kind of measurable mass - they are essentially tiny little bundles of energy. Their energy operates at various frequencies and depending upon the frequency, you get a differnt flavor of photon. They range from radio wavelengths to gamma wavelengths (which we call the electromagnetic spectrum). So, photons lack mass but are energy packed. When they encounter an electron, they get absorbed, but since they lack mass they don't add to the "weight" of the elctron. Instead, they add to the energetic capacity of the electron. If the electron get's too excited, it can pop of of whatever matter it was bound to (photoionization). If the photon isn't carrying enough energy to complete release the electron, it may still have enough energy to "move" the electron from one energetic state to another, at which point the electron releases a new photon of a slightly lower frequency (usually the infared).

In order to generate higher frequency photons, you need a really good energy source. Most naturally occuring chemical energy sources can produce photons in the visible and infared frequencies. Nuclear, or sub-atomic energy producing technology can certain produce photons at the higher freqeuncies. There are lots of techniques of producing light at the desired frequency.

Because Storm has a great deal of mastery over electricity, she can certainly generate photons of any wavelength. In nature, lightning generates light of all frequencies including gamma rays! So it is certainly possible for her.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 29, 2008, 03:27:03 am
Gas is one form of matter, but Storm has just as often manipulated plasma(lightning,etc), liquids(water) and sensed the changes in and at least once initiated change in solids(earth). That line in Fantastic Four about "I do my best work in an atmosphere" was truthful in that she is most expertiesed and experienced in atmosphereic manipulations, but what she was really referring to was a thicker atmosphere. The entire universe can be considered an atmosphere, a lot of it has just thinned out considerably since the big bang, but there are hydrogen atoms and ions and even water ice scattered all across the cosmos.

As far as 'just a mortal human mutant', well the mutant thing is just her own personal genetic quirk, but her maternal lineage is stocked full of magic and I think that actually has a lot more pull than a little x-gene.

And while wind speeds of 300mph are the highest recorded by scientists on earth, that does not really mean Storm can not create higher speeds. First of all she routinely creates weather effects that one would not expect, such as lightning and wind strong enough to support her weight inside a building.

Secondly, in cannon, she has covered distances in times that would require speeds exceeding 300mph, such as flying from interior Austrailia to Tasmania in mere moments and keeping up or flying faster than commerical airplanes and jets, both of which cruise at faster speeds.

And finally, considering she created atmospheric pressure on earth in excess to that which is on Jupiter(anywhere from 20-200 GPa in the cloud layer, upwards of 4,500 GPa in the core, diamonds form at 10GPa for comparison), sufficent of snuffing out an atomic blast, this clearly proves she can exceed natural 'boundaries'.

Just to make things clear, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima produced pressures in excess of 8,600 lbs/square feet, producing winds over 980mph. Compared to nuclear weapons of today, these figures are nothing, but for the sake of argument, they will suffice.

So you see, Storm's abilities exceed those limits scientists would like to exert over Mother Nature, as if such a thing were possible. Just because you have not recorded a phenomena, does not mean it can not exsist.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 29, 2008, 11:53:33 am
Guys,

I just saw on page one of the thread that I forgot to post a scan of the second page of the Black Panther issue where Storm made an earthquake. I added a link to the scan, but I will post both pages here:

http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thatearthquarkthing1hq.jpg
http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thatearthquarkthing23qh.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 03, 2008, 05:12:49 am
Hey Rutog98 Im knew to this forum but Storm has been my favorite since I first heard about xmen as a child and I always knew that she was one of the most powerful mutants and that she was relly played down.  I think all of your posts on her and her powers are great and I have been waiting for something like that for soo long.  I just had one question. With her powers and control over electromagnetic forces shouldnt she be able to create an electric force field somewhat like magnetos.  I know she has created air pressure domes to deflect attacks but shouldnt she be able to form an electric or electromagnetic force field.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 03, 2008, 01:53:04 pm
Well, she does that in a battle against the late externa, Candra right here:

http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvscandra6an.jpg
http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvscandra28tf.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvscandra31lx.jpg

She deflects Candra's TK assaults with her electrical field as you can see the psionic attacks bouncing off Storm's force-field.

She also creates a pressure dome to bulldoze her way out of a mountain here:

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome14ac.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome21bz.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome39dt.jpg

Storm has also created and controlled EM fields. Given that her high end power stunts are far beyond Magneto's (I mention him because you brought him up), she should technically be able to create much stronger force-fields than even Magneto and even wrest control of EM energies from him. She can tap into and wield a much greater amount of power than he as he has to struggle to warp the EM fields on a global scale to turn out the lights and nearly lost his life in the process(and this is while he is boosted by a machine!!) while Storm has been able to control the bioshpere on a global scale while at the same time controlling gamma rays on a global scale without any machines to deflect blasts from the sun. On top of that, she has stunts that are enormously powerful on a cosmic scale she pulled off while unaided. So Storm can create EM fields and grab more power to back them up than Magneto can.

We see her creating/controlling an EM field here: http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormelectromagneticfield4tv.jpg



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 03, 2008, 03:33:27 pm
Thanks I just needed some confirmation on that because my brother and I have long disputed that because he tends to favor magneto this has been like a 16 year debate.  I have also read some other post where people have argued storm vs thor and also some character named meggan who I dont think can compare due to the fact that she specifically can only control 4 elements.  I think people dont take into consideration that while storms powers encompass the elements her powers go beyond that.  I dont think that her elemental powers have been fully looked into and there is also the fact that you stated that in the comics she has summoned power from stars and can do so from other planets so that clearly suggests cosmic potential and not to mention that her ancestors were powerful sorceresses which suggests untaped magic potential.  Storm might not be able to beat thor (for now anyway) but I do agree that she should not have been beaten that easily. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 03, 2008, 04:39:10 pm
The problem with a Storm vs. Thor fight is Storm is immune to the elements. While Thor is probably immune to weather or at least resistant to it, Ororo would have to go at him other ways. For instance, the EMP to the brain ala BP 25 or maybe she can manipulate the moisture in his bloodstream or take ahold of his personal em fields or control the electrical impulses in his nervous system to knock him out of the fight. She has better fine-tune control over the elements than he and is far more creative with her control. Personally, I think that she could wrest control of the elements from Thor if both were competing for control over the same weather system.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 03, 2008, 07:16:45 pm
And what of the mutant Meggan do you think that she can give storm a fight?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 04, 2008, 08:31:55 am
And what of the mutant Meggan do you think that she can give storm a fight?


Storm is far more powerful. To begin with, Meggan takes life energies from the Earth and fires them off as energy blasts. As we learned from canon, Storm is bonded with the life force of planets, stars, plants, living beings, etc. and she draws on that energy to become more powerful. Therefore, Meggan cannot hurt her with that nor can she harm Storm with any of her elemental projections. Meggan can try something like making Storm's personal EM field go away to kill her (Meggan has done stuff like this before: http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur097p05yl6.jpg
), however, Storm controls EM fields as well and while Meggan has only been shown to control the elements over very limited areas, Storm controls them on a global and cosmic scale. Storm should be able to wrest control of the elements from Meggan hence Storm is Marvel's Mistress of the Elements. She could keep control of her own personal EM fields from Meggan while making Meggan's personal EM fields go away since Ororo is stronger.

Going back to the immunity thing, Storm is immune to the elements, Meggan is not. Hence, Meggan has to use her metamorphic powers to grow fur to avoid freezing in cold weather. Storm is immune to cold and the vast majority of Storm's canon establishes this. For more on this, go to page 10 of this thread and read the fourth post down. This link should get you to the correct page, I hope:
http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.135

Therefore, Storm can hurt Meggan with her elemental powers (and Ororo's elemental manifestations are far stronger than Meggan's as well) while Meggan cannot hurt Ororo with hers. Meggan has other abilities like flight, shape-shifting and super strength, however, Ororo's elemental powers far outdoes these abilities plus Storm is by far the faster flier. Ororo has travelled thousands of miles in a matter of minutes on several occassions when the need was great.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 04, 2008, 11:16:15 am
Your posts are outstanding, how beneficent!  Im sorry if Im bombarding you with questions but another question have is as far as her immunity to temperatures and the elements is concerned, is she so immune that she would be able to fly on or near the sun and for that matter anything as hot or hotter?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on June 05, 2008, 08:49:48 am
At this rate I wonder if there's anybody in the Marvel Universe that Rutog thinks Storm CAN'T beat. ;D

I enjoying reading all this.

I'd post more on this thread but I can't type as fast as you guys can apparantly...

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on June 05, 2008, 10:23:52 am
Thanks for the in depth analysis, definition and scientific theories on Storm's full power and potential....nothing short of a spellbinding undertaking!

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 05, 2008, 10:53:46 am
Your posts are outstanding, how beneficent!  Im sorry if Im bombarding you with questions but another question have is as far as her immunity to temperatures and the elements is concerned, is she so immune that she would be able to fly on or near the sun and for that matter anything as hot or hotter?

Go to page 10 of this thread and read the fourth post down.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 05, 2008, 10:57:10 am
At this rate I wonder if there's anybody in the Marvel Universe that Rutog thinks Storm CAN'T beat. ;D

I enjoying reading all this.

I'd post more on this thread but I can't type as fast as you guys can apparantly...

 ;D ;D ;D



I am merely pointing out what Storm has accomplished in canon. Storm really can be argued as Marvel's premier hero in the power department based on canon. There are ways to hurt her. I mean, a telekinetic can hurt her, magic can hurt her, superstrength can hurt her, however, she can hurt these characters too. Powerful sorcerers like Dr. Strange or reality controllers like Proteus can give her a run for her money, but she would stand a good chance at beating them too if she uses her powers creatively.

Proteus was an energy being who could control reality. We all saw what Storm did to the energy being, Stardust, in Fantastic Four during McDuffie's run. She pulled some of his/her electrons away from his body and sent it back slamming into him with such force that he was completely atomized. She could pull something similar against somebody like the late Proteus. Of course, he could also try and attack her directly with his reality-warping power to physically mold her body as he sees fit. However, given the power upgrades Storm has had over the years (especially since X-Treme X-Men), she could probably hold the atoms that make up her body in place to try and resist him attacking her directly.

As far as Storm vs. a telekinetic mutant, see page one where she spars with Jean Grey and battles Candra one-on-one. Keep in mind that Candra was a telekinetic strong enough to manipulate matter at the molecular level and Storm still cleaned her clock. Storm's powers have some major advantages over TK. I could really get into them, but its probably not necessary now.

Storm vs. super strength: Storm can take a superstrength character out at a distance any number of ways and keep them at bay while she does any number of things to beat them. While a punch from somebody like Colossus can hurt her, they're never going to get close enough to land a punch.

Dr. Strange would be a toughie. He controls magic and has so many unpredictable ways at coming at her. I don't think hurling big winds and lightning bolts will stop him, however, she does control moisture. There is the moisture in his bloodstream that she should be able to manipulate. Look at what she did to Hydro-Man in Fantastic Four. He's a being of moisture and she completely dispersed his body with a thought. She could try something like this on Dr. Strange or try and attack his personsal EM fields. Heck, if she's faster on the draw, I know he has to think before he does a spell, she may be able to muck with the electrical impulses in his nervous system and interfere with thought and execution or even thought itself. She would be more deadly than any telepath in attempting this as it would circumvent any willpower Strange may have. What I mean is if a telepath tries to interfere with one's thought or mind in any way, if the other party has a will power greater than the invading telepath, the telepath fails as the two can face each other will to will. Storm, on the other hand, is pulling the same trick a telepath can pull but in her own way through her elemental powers. Willpower can't stop that as Storm would not have to face them will-to-will (not that it would be a problem for her since her will seems to be second to none).  Of course, Dr. Strange can certainly hurt Storm has well and do quite a bit of damage to her. This could be a 50/50 fight.

I'd really love for Hudlin to create some malevolent African dieties for Storm and BP to fight. These characters tend to be extremely powerful mystically and can pose a huge threat to Storm in battle.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 06, 2008, 07:05:19 am
And what of the mutant Meggan do you think that she can give storm a fight?


Storm is far more powerful. To begin with, Meggan takes life energies from the Earth and fires them off as energy blasts. As we learned from canon, Storm is bonded with the life force of planets, stars, plants, living beings, etc. and she draws on that energy to become more powerful. Therefore, Meggan cannot hurt her with that nor can she harm Storm with any of her elemental projections. Meggan can try something like making Storm's personal EM field go away to kill her (Meggan has done stuff like this before: [url]http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur097p05yl6.jpg[/url]
), however, Storm controls EM fields as well and while Meggan has only been shown to control the elements over very limited areas, Storm controls them on a global and cosmic scale. Storm should be able to wrest control of the elements from Meggan hence Storm is Marvel's Mistress of the Elements. She could keep control of her own personal EM fields from Meggan while making Meggan's personal EM fields go away since Ororo is stronger.

Going back to the immunity thing, Storm is immune to the elements, Meggan is not. Hence, Meggan has to use her metamorphic powers to grow fur to avoid freezing in cold weather. Storm is immune to cold and the vast majority of Storm's canon establishes this. For more on this, go to page 10 of this thread and read the fourth post down. This link should get you to the correct page, I hope:
[url]http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.135[/url]

Therefore, Storm can hurt Meggan with her elemental powers (and Ororo's elemental manifestations are far stronger than Meggan's as well) while Meggan cannot hurt Ororo with hers. Meggan has other abilities like flight, shape-shifting and super strength, however, Ororo's elemental powers far outdoes these abilities plus Storm is by far the faster flier. Ororo has travelled thousands of miles in a matter of minutes on several occassions when the need was great.


Okay, guys, I forgot to add this scan to this post: http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emdownpf3.jpg

So what Meggan did with those helicopters in the scan above, Ororo essentially did something similar if not the same in the scan I just added. Just add this to what I posted above. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 18, 2008, 02:38:21 pm
Hello Rutog98,  I was reading up on some of the other characters who control electricity and I know Storm has great control over this ability but I was wondering how acute her ability is.  Other characters have shown great mastery over this power, so much that they use this to fly and travel at near light or light speed.  I know storm's control over air allows her to fly at great speeds, definately more than 300 mph, but since she can generate the elements through her body would it be feasible for her to use electricity to fly at light or near light speed and accomplish the same feats as the other electricity controlling characters?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 18, 2008, 06:13:27 pm
She flew on a bolt of lightning here: http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail51qe.jpg
So we know that she can go about 90,000 miles per second. As far as her winds are concerned, here is something on hypercanes: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n4_v16/ai_16720824

From what we have seen in the past with Storm, she has generated winds much faster and much stronger than even hypercane winds. We have seen her generate winds thousands of miles per hour in order to fly distances of thousands of miles in a matter of minutes. She has generated winds strong enough to redirect the full power of a mutant capable of generating energy blasts that can split the planet like a ripe melon literally. While Ororo's powers work in the boundaries of physics, she can take them to their utmost extreme and generate things we have never seen before. She's accomplished this on numerous occassions if you go through the thread. Just some examples are: 1) The combined powers of Cyclops (who's optic blasts can level mountains), Colossus and Wolverine could not even scratch Magneto's force-field, yet Storm comes along and strains Magneto's powers to their utmost in the next panel with her winds alone. http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto1vm.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandmagneto26nv.jpg
2) She's also generated fields or pressure durable enough to withstand high velocity impacts with a mountain propelled by winds strong enough to punch the field through the mountain here: http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome14ac.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome21bz.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome39dt.jpg
(She could have used this pressure dome stunt to deflect Magneto's use of Colossus against her in the tornado scan while the tornadoes taxed him to unconsciousness or even death)
3) She's generated fields of pressure on Earth that exceeded the pressures found on the surface of Jupiter.
4) Even while on Earth, she has a link to the sun and moon. http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thurtherkf7.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thurther2of4.jpg
(to learn why she was affected so by the temperature and wind here, go to page 10 of this thread and read the fourth post down for a very detailed explanation documented with scans and the whole nine)
http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg12mo8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm185pg13dm3.jpg
In other words, to accomplish these incredible wind feats, she's probably drawing additional heat energy from space or tapping into the heat of the planet's core and mantel to create such large differences of pressure...or, she could be merely pushing the air molecules and atoms at those speed with her willpower in conjunction to these others.

Of course, it is also plausible for her to open teleportation portals if she really had to get from place "a" to "b" in a great hurry based on this (I am just going to copy and paste my second post on page 11 of this thread):

In "Marvel Adventures: Giant-Sized Avengers" this week, Storm creates a time vortex out of thin air which enables time travel. Originally, when Kang shows up, she comments on how the time portal/warp feels like an atmospheric anomally.

([url]http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1553/giantsizematheavengers1gi1.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1gi1.jpg[/url])

In a future panel, Storm actually controls it so that she and her team can now travel through it and time travel.


Kang's Space/Time manipulations are electrical, so Storm can affect them.

([url]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3958/giantsizematheavengers1dt5.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1dt5.jpg[/url])
([url]http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8620/giantsizematheavengers1lm0.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1lm0.jpg[/url])

Later on, when another time vortex needed to be created for people of the present to communicate with those of the past, she created a time vortex out of thin air by manipulating the elements.

([url]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2325/giantsizematheavengers1bc7.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsizematheavengers1bc7.jpg[/url])

Okay, here is a previous post I did, but I am going to paste it here to tie it all together:

Feeling a shift in Space-Time

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Time and space are one. She can shape the energies that compose empty space as a sculptress does clay. It would make sense that she has an attunement to it as well. She controls the forces that compose and govern whatever reality she is in. In the "Trion" arc, we saw her mend a tear in the time/space continuum because she controlled the forces that composed it there as shown here:

[url]http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion5xx6.jpg[/url]

We know that she also controls the forces that compose space here as well. She has only to do something similar in our dimension given that BP scan as well as this one:
[url]http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?...ightning6jz.jpg[/url]


Hudlin, McDuffie, is there any chance we can see a story arc where Storm faces a time-travelling villian where they have to chase him down through the time and space continuum or maybe across dimensions so we can see more of this power with Storm? :D

Maybe she can get the team home from those frogs? Also, if the frogs are sentient, it would really be cool if Storm just kind of kicks herself (not literally, lol) for not noticing the life-energies/aura within the frogs that would have told her earlier. Of course, she hasn't had time yet to study the frogs...



But for just flight speed, I'd say her flying on the bolt of lightning takes the cake.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on June 19, 2008, 09:38:05 am
Hello Rutog98,  I was reading up on some of the other characters who control electricity and I know Storm has great control over this ability but I was wondering how acute her ability is.  Other characters have shown great mastery over this power, so much that they use this to fly and travel at near light or light speed.  I know storm's control over air allows her to fly at great speeds, definately more than 300 mph, but since she can generate the elements through her body would it be feasible for her to use electricity to fly at light or near light speed and accomplish the same feats as the other electricity controlling characters?


Hi all4  ;D, I'm not Rutog, but I'd like to take a swing at this.

The answer is yes and no.

Other characters use electricity to fly because their powers are "wired" that way.

Much the same way other characters "Fly" without anyexplination as to how.

Storm on the other hand, given her powerset, is capable of producing and maybe even controling "Cold plasma" reactions.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html)

This could lead to the development of powerful shields and faster flight.
 



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 19, 2008, 03:03:10 pm
You know, I would love for Storm to manipulate cold plasma to create force-fields. Mr. Hudlin, with all of the power upgrades that goes on in the x-world and all, is there any chance that Storm could get a force-field? I mean, Iceman can be blown to bits and piece his body back together by taking moisture from any source including another human and killing them in the process. (It would be awesome to see Storm dehydrate somebody to unconsciousness or, in one of her rages, kill a character creatively by robbing their body of all its moisture. We've seen her already do this to Hydro-Man...), Emma Frost, who was already one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet gained a diamond form that also made her into a "She-Colossus" of sorts for lack of a better term. Before her passing, Meggan got tons of upgrades as well. She gained the ability to control earth, air, fire and water. I'd like for Storm's powers to be expanded and see some creative uses of her abilities be frequently employed in her daily power usage. A force-field would be awesome! If not cold plasma, maybe it could be a creative way for her to use the life-force of the Earth. I mean, she taps into that energy all the time and she is linked to life in all forms be it plant, animal, planet, star, etc. What if she could harness this life energy to create force-fields? :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 19, 2008, 11:09:34 pm
I enjoyed that article about cold plasma BlueDMighty, it was very interesting.  I just thought that since Storm could generate electricity through her body her control over it must be very acute, and with that I figured she could manipulate it in a way that would allow her to fly at even faster speeds.  I understand that the other characters powers are wired in the specific ways that they use them but since Storm is intune with all of the forces that she controls I thought that she should know just about everyway in how to use electricity and be able to achieve the same feats as other characters.  The ability to control cold plasma is outstanding and it sure seems plausible for Storm, and Like Rutog98 I would love to see her display this because I would love to see storm use it as a force field.  To tie in force fields and the control of electricity, if memory serves me correct I previously posed a question to Rutog98 in which I stated that Storm should be able to form a forcefield using electricity which Im sure they can explain in great detail, Im not even going to pretend Im on that level to do so lol.  Basically I would just like to see Storm's powers explored more, I really dislike the fact that it is said that she dose'nt because she keeps her emotions in check in an effort to not lose control.  Fortunately with people like you and Rutog98 my questions that I have hade since I was a child are being answered as well as ones I never thought of so I thank the both of you. :) 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: wgreason on June 23, 2008, 05:02:15 am

The major loss I've seen Storm take is the thumping all the X-Men took from Legion prior to Age of Apocalypse.

Am I off-base here, Rutog?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on June 24, 2008, 05:50:39 pm
She was overall devalued for about the seven years that comprised of the Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle era. Any and every telepath could gain entry into her mind and wreak havok, her power levels were greatly reduced while people like Meggan, Polaris, Jean Grey, Iceman, Selene and others got the major power boosts...the list goes on and on. I don't know which was her all-time low point to tell you the truth.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: wgreason on June 24, 2008, 06:26:04 pm
My personal feeling on her low point was the neutralizer storyline, followed closely by her being de-aged.

http://www.youtube.com/user/wgreason

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on June 27, 2008, 10:51:16 am
Hmmm....I'm not sure if this is something we should be worried about or not.  From  Wizard World Chicago via Newsarama:

McCann then announced the release of a four-issue mini-series called Storm: Worlds Apart that will explore the duality of Ororo Munroe's life as wife of Black Panther and a member of the X-Men. The series is being written by Chris Yost. "For those of you wanting to get Storm get back to the X-Men," McCann said, this will be the "book for you."

"Storm kicks a lot of ass," McCann added.


http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080627-WWCMondoMvl.html

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlueDMighty on June 27, 2008, 01:13:51 pm
This is what I posted at CBR today:

I was going to post a thread about this.

BUT, somebody already beat me to it.

I would also like to say that I've been championing a Queen Ororo solo for over a year and this was my basic premis.

Glad to see people are listening.

So.......

McCann then announced the release of a four-issue mini-series called Storm: Worlds Apart that will explore the duality of Ororo Munroe's life as wife of Black Panther and a member of the X-Men. The series is being written by Chris Yost. "For those of you wanting to get Storm get back to the X-Men," McCann said, this will be the "book for you."

"Storm kicks a lot of ass," McCann added.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080627-WWCMondoMvl.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080627-WWCMondoMvl.html)

The wedding stands (YAYYYYYYYYYYY)

No skrulls here.

Just two powerful Black Folks

HOWEVER,

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/062708wwcstorm.html (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/062708wwcstorm.html)

I'm looking forward to a great story with LOTS of action,

But here are a few things about this article that bothered me:

This series is really about her defining who she is now. Is she the Black Panther's wife? Is she a member of the X-Men under Cyclops? Who and what is Storm?

This echos alot of the sentiment on line that Storm has become a Blow up doll for BP (this doesn't bode well)

Well, I wrote her in "Evolution" and I wrote her in the upcoming "Wolverine and the X-Men" series.

In evolution were she was old, absent, and practically useless? (seriously, I can't remember a "cool" Storm centered episode)

In WOLVERINE and the xmen? (Nuff said)

Because she is kind of like that untouchable goddess, she's incredibly powerful but at the same time, she has a very specific power set.

His use of "Very specific powerset" worries me, as her powerlevels have been a hobby and hot button for me over the past year.

I have a feeling will be back to the posturing, lightning bolts, and "goddess help me" bullsh*te real soon.

If you forgot how the X-office likes their Storm, check out Xtremeists and Messiah Complex respectivly.

Is this mini-series going to tie into how she ended up coming onto Cyclops' Astonishing team, or why she ended up coming back to a more main role in the X-Men?
YOST: Yes and no. There's not going to be a specific connection there, but the question becomes what world does she belong to, and this series kind of answers that question. She does get a couple chances to really have a sit down with Cyclops, because obviously Cyclops has gone through a lot of changes, too. Storm has made the hard choices in her life as an X-Man, but at the same time, I've always seen her as the moral center of the team. She's got a—I don't want to use the word 'righteousness' to her—but there's right and wrong in Storm's eyes, and that's a line the X-Men are straddling right now.



The MAMMY returns?   
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on June 27, 2008, 06:24:27 pm
hahahahahahah....

the mammy returns.
good one.

i like Yost so i'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt right now.

Check this out... i was at the LCBS on thursday and there was this older black guy with a nick ashford conk/shag do who had just purchased the most recent BP.
that made him cool in my book but he made the following statement:

well, this is paraphrased:
1. he believes storm is a skrull
2. he believes that doom knew she was a skrull so he gave them that gift in the wedding issue as means to mind control her at some point
3. he REALLY believes this and he is staking his reputation on that.
4. he said somethin' else, but he lost me ... so i forgot to ask him to join the HEF.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: all4storm on June 27, 2008, 11:10:41 pm
That specific powerset comment really bugged me as well.  To me that means there will be no further exploration of her powers and that would really suck.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: DamonO on June 28, 2008, 07:27:11 am
More on the STORM mini, this time an interview with the editor, Daniel Ketchum:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080627-WWCStorm.html
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 28, 2008, 08:08:57 am
More on the STORM mini, this time an interview with the editor, Daniel Ketchum:

[url]http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080627-WWCStorm.html[/url]


I like the stuff the comic is focusing on--the duality between the two roles of Storm; Storm the X-men, Storm, the Queen.  It is definitely something to be discussed.

And nice to hear that the licensing dept wants a Storm series.  Maybe this will lead towards one.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on June 28, 2008, 06:40:04 pm
I don't understand how they'll be portraying the conflicted roles of Queen vs. X-Man. We have to see more of how Storm has reigned as queen first to make a fair comparison. In the first year she and T'Challa spent more time travellling abroad.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 29, 2008, 06:51:19 pm
I don't understand how they'll be portraying the conflicted roles of Queen vs. X-Man. We have to see more of how Storm has reigned as queen first to make a fair comparison. In the first year she and T'Challa spent more time travellling abroad.

I used the term Queen to refer to her life outside of the X-men in the T'challa's world.  It was just shorter than any other term I could think of.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on July 24, 2008, 02:31:21 pm
Rutog 98 you have to tell me how our girl Ororo can take down Monica Rambeau. I got disbelievers to deal with, lol ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 24, 2008, 02:39:38 pm
Rutog 98 you have to tell me how our girl Ororo can take down Monica Rambeau. I got disbelievers to deal with, lol ;)

LOL! Storm controls EM energy. Monica assumes energy forms throughout the EM spectrum. I'd say it comes down to willpower. Storm has a stronger will thus she can exert greater control if she really needed to. Ergo she can control Monica.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 24, 2008, 02:40:54 pm
LOL! Storm controls EM energy. Monica assumes energy forms throughout the EM spectrum. I'd say it comes down to willpower. Storm has a stronger will thus she can exert greater control if she really needed to. Ergo she can control Monica.
dayum that was fast
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on July 24, 2008, 02:50:11 pm
Rutog 98 you have to tell me how our girl Ororo can take down Monica Rambeau. I got disbelievers to deal with, lol ;)

LOL! Storm controls EM energy. Monica assumes energy forms throughout the EM spectrum. I'd say it comes down to willpower. Storm has a stronger will thus she can exert greater control if she really needed to. Ergo she can control Monica.


Gracias I got it and I'm gone.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on July 24, 2008, 04:13:40 pm
Rut, Blue say hi :D he knew your work
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 24, 2008, 09:25:27 pm
Tell him I said hello.

Also, on top of having more willpower than Monica, Storm also has a great deal more raw power. She can control greater amounts of energy which would mean she could control the same amounts of energy as Monica with less effort and add to that Ororo's superior willpower and Monica gets the knock-out punch.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on July 28, 2008, 12:31:00 am
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2)

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 28, 2008, 01:07:31 pm
See the problem with these VS debates is that they dont go well and it is all speculation until it happens. So in many cases why even bother. I can see it now that if Monica wins (well there would be hell) If Storm wins (no so much since she is a bit known more)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Naki on July 28, 2008, 02:16:32 pm
You are right versus debates can be futile and go on forever.  However, with the way BP #38 went it was inevitable that such a debate would ensue.  The truth is that no such Storm vs. Monica battle should take place in any comic.  It is always bad form to have two intelligent and capable women fight over a man.  Furthermore, no decent husband would want his wife to engage in such an unnecessary and demeaning act.  No wife relishes the idea of an attractive woman crushing on her husband; however, it is how the husband responds to such actions that impacts the relationship.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Francisco on July 28, 2008, 03:27:40 pm
Any way... Monica is just more powerful than Storm. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on July 29, 2008, 09:47:34 am
what i like is how the Monica fans stepped the hell up to represent for their girl?
 ;D

yeah for catfights!
woohoo!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 29, 2008, 05:20:15 pm
Plusses on Monica's side--

She can move and attack at the speed of light, which is faster than any flesh and blood being can think. 

She is powerful enough to have hurt Zeus; that's a Galactus level being.

She can become energies that are NOT part of the electromagnetic spectrum, like a Green Lantern energy.  (As I understood how that worked, if she can analyse an energy, she can become it.  Hmm, she's had accesses to Rom's neutralizer which has been used to negate super-human powers before; in theory, she could become that energy, but she hasn't done it before so...)

She can split into multiple bodies.

Her will is very very formidable.  A) She over powered the will of a Green Lantern and drained his ring.  B) Once she was so injured, that she lost about 50% of her body mass and yet she still managed to put herself back together and get back to her team by will power alone. 

I saw somewhere that she can work with mechanical energies too, but I don't have those issues.

More????
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on July 29, 2008, 07:35:34 pm
what i like is how the Monica fans stepped the hell up to represent for their girl?
 ;D

yeah for catfights!
woohoo!

 
lol
I'm just reppin for my gurl Monica. Like I said I adore Ororo, but this is a fight she cannot win.
It is what it is. Instead of fighting each other I would rather see them come together to stop some evil big wig, like in the Secret War. (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/photonavi.gif)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 30, 2008, 11:11:19 am
wow where did you get monica animated gif?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlackRodimus on July 30, 2008, 02:57:29 pm
Tahdigga, which codename do you prefer for Monica? I REALLY wish she'd be Captain Marvel again. No one else is using it, and I'd like to see Monica be used more. Heck, with that name, she'd kinda have to be.  ;D

Hmm...maybe SHE needs her own animated series, too!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 30, 2008, 04:22:22 pm
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. [url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url] ([url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url])

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)


Okay, are we going to debate this giving each character all of their powers? If so, Storm wins. To begin with, Storm can fly on solar winds and not be affected by it. The solar winds carry with it all of the radiations that Monica can transform into. http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg Remember stars have the full range of the EM spectrum in their composition. A strong argument can be made to state that Ororo is immune to Monica's powers. Lets also not forget that Storm can absorb EM energies and evolve. That is how she became Roguestorm. When she was trapped in that statue form, she was absorbing energies from the storm that her subconscious created, that combined with her mental state which let down the self-imposed limits of her powers triggered the evolution into Rougestorm.

Storm can touch a star and love it. She has absorbed the power of millions of stars.

If Monica shrinks down to an atom, that means nothing. Ororo can control the elements at an atomic level. http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011rh6.jpg
She can exert control over Monica at any form, really. It would come down to a battle of the wills and raw power.

So Monica should not be able to give Storm radiation poisoning nor would shrinking down to an atomic size do anything.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 30, 2008, 04:42:42 pm
Plusses on Monica's side--

She can move and attack at the speed of light, which is faster than any flesh and blood being can think. 

She is powerful enough to have hurt Zeus; that's a Galactus level being.

She can become energies that are NOT part of the electromagnetic spectrum, like a Green Lantern energy.  (As I understood how that worked, if she can analyse an energy, she can become it.  Hmm, she's had accesses to Rom's neutralizer which has been used to negate super-human powers before; in theory, she could become that energy, but she hasn't done it before so...)

She can split into multiple bodies.

Her will is very very formidable.  A) She over powered the will of a Green Lantern and drained his ring.  B) Once she was so injured, that she lost about 50% of her body mass and yet she still managed to put herself back together and get back to her team by will power alone. 

I saw somewhere that she can work with mechanical energies too, but I don't have those issues.

More????

Alright, let's go for it. :D

She can move and attack at the speed of light, but you have to remember that this is comics. I have seen characters throw energy blasts at Storm and she stop the blast in mid air with force of will alone. She was able to exert control over the energy before it hit her. She has dodged light-speed energy blasts thrown at her in machine gun fashion, etc.

Then, as I have stated above, Storm can control EM energies. While you mention Photon being able to hurt Zeus, Storm is no slouch here. Her power and control over the elemental forces are so great that even when she battled the Trion in their reality, she was able to overpower and defeat their control over the forces there. The Trion were the personification of the forces that composed that reality and were the sum of the reality's entire past, present and future. Then we see Storm blast the Galactus herald, Stardust to atoms in Fanstastic Four. Then, Storm's powers are limited by the force of her will and strength of her body and she has the strength of will and spirit to contain the essense of Eternity, a feat that would kill most.

Don't get me started on willpower. Storm will bury Monica between Ororo besting the Shadow King, The Entity (who was able to take over Rachel's mind when she was both possessed by the Phoenix Force and boosted by cerebro), her battle with the Warskrull who had the combined power of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle, her will was stated to be stronger and shown to be stronger than Magneto's on at least two occassions. Keep in mind that prior to this, MAgneto's will was stated to be second to none and he was able to stalemate XAvier's TP assault off of willpower alone. Also, as a side note, rememeber that Storm was this accomplished in the willpower department before the added boost of electricity would fry any telepath that would try and enter her mind against her will if she chose to go that route.

Shaman of Alpha Flight is VERY powerful. When he attempted to use an elemental spell against the X-Men, Storm took control of the elements from him, doubled its power and turned it back upon him and Alpha Flight. He was powerless to stop her.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BlackRodimus on July 30, 2008, 05:57:42 pm
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. [url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url] ([url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url])

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)


Okay, are we going to debate this giving each character all of their powers? If so, Storm wins. To begin with, Storm can fly on solar winds and not be affected by it. The solar winds carry with it all of the radiations that Monica can transform into. [url]http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg[/url] Remember stars have the full range of the EM spectrum in their composition. A strong argument can be made to state that Ororo is immune to Monica's powers. Lets also not forget that Storm can absorb EM energies and evolve. That is how she became Roguestorm. When she was trapped in that statue form, she was absorbing energies from the storm that her subconscious created, that combined with her mental state which let down the self-imposed limits of her powers triggered the evolution into Rougestorm.

Storm can touch a star and love it. She has absorbed the power of millions of stars.

If Monica shrinks down to an atom, that means nothing. Ororo can control the elements at an atomic level. [url]http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg[/url]
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She can exert control over Monica at any form, really. It would come down to a battle of the wills and raw power.

So Monica should not be able to give Storm radiation poisoning nor would shrinking down to an atomic size do anything.


I was wondering when someone was gonna bring up Roguestorm. That's storm without her self-imposed limits to her powers. If Claremont intended for Storm=Phoenix (Roguestorm was essentially that potential realized), you'd have to ask is Monica > Phoenix? I guess which version. Roguestorm, in that instance of fighting Doom, seemed to kinda act like Dark Phoenix, especially with her dialogue. So...Monica > Dark Phoenix?

In short, regular Storm probably loses. Roguestorm, however...well that would be an awesome fight indeed.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 31, 2008, 01:00:31 am
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. [url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url] ([url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url])

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)


Okay, are we going to debate this giving each character all of their powers? If so, Storm wins. To begin with, Storm can fly on solar winds and not be affected by it. The solar winds carry with it all of the radiations that Monica can transform into. [url]http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg[/url] Remember stars have the full range of the EM spectrum in their composition. A strong argument can be made to state that Ororo is immune to Monica's powers. Lets also not forget that Storm can absorb EM energies and evolve. That is how she became Roguestorm. When she was trapped in that statue form, she was absorbing energies from the storm that her subconscious created, that combined with her mental state which let down the self-imposed limits of her powers triggered the evolution into Rougestorm.

Storm can touch a star and love it. She has absorbed the power of millions of stars.

If Monica shrinks down to an atom, that means nothing. Ororo can control the elements at an atomic level. [url]http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011rh6.jpg[/url]
She can exert control over Monica at any form, really. It would come down to a battle of the wills and raw power.

So Monica should not be able to give Storm radiation poisoning nor would shrinking down to an atomic size do anything.


I was wondering when someone was gonna bring up Roguestorm. That's storm without her self-imposed limits to her powers. If Claremont intended for Storm=Phoenix (Roguestorm was essentially that potential realized), you'd have to ask is Monica > Phoenix? I guess which version. Roguestorm, in that instance of fighting Doom, seemed to kinda act like Dark Phoenix, especially with her dialogue. So...Monica > Dark Phoenix?

In short, regular Storm probably loses. Roguestorm, however...well that would be an awesome fight indeed.


I think you mean Dark Phoenix>Monica, but I know what you were getting at. ;)

Regular Storm is more powerful than Photon. In all honesty, I think the fight really depends on whether or not Photon can hurt Ororo and how far is Ororo willing to go to win the fight. Well, maybe not. Storm does have a stronger will and can control the energies that Photon can transform into. I think Storm wins the fight because she can control greater amounts of energy than Photon and she has a stronger will. The fact that she can control greater amounts means that she can control the same amount of energy as Photon with less effort. The fact that she has a greater will means even if the two were even in the amount of energy they can control, Storm's superior willpower should give her the advantage.

My two cents...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 31, 2008, 04:33:57 am
Here's the problem I have with some of your arguments:

a)  Storm has been hurt by energy attacks before.  Magneto took control of her body once.  Others have used energy weapons against her and hurt her.  So, if others can, so can Monica.

b)  Willpower.  I never said that Monica's will is stronger, just that Monica has a very strong will, so a battle of wills would not be a foregone nor easy conclusion.

c)  Has Storm ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  When Storm fought Stardust, she did not even try to control that energy being.  It showed us she could disrupt an energy being, but not control. 

Also, (to the best of my recollection) no other energy manipulator has controlled been able to control Monica, not even Zeus nor Magneto. 

d)  You made a comment about how far Storm is willing to go?  That works both ways.  If Monica zipped into Storm's body at molecule size (at the speed of light) and then instantly returned to flesh and body; Storm would have no defense against that.  But, Monica has never used that tactic before, but she could.

e)  My 2 cents, the battle falls to speed.  Will power is great, all of Storm's powers are great, but if Monica decided to end the battle in a single strike, the battle would be over before Storm's senses could register that the fight began. 

HOwever, I will say, in comics, Monica rarely fights that aggressively or that fast. Just as Storm rarely fights as aggressively as she can.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on July 31, 2008, 04:50:37 am
wow where did you get monica animated gif?

Hey Akuma! I've had it 4 so long that I don't even remember. I was searching the web and found it. It's been at least 3 years now since then.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on July 31, 2008, 05:26:39 am
Tahdigga, which codename do you prefer for Monica? I REALLY wish she'd be Captain Marvel again. No one else is using it, and I'd like to see Monica be used more. Heck, with that name, she'd kinda have to be.  ;D

Hmm...maybe SHE needs her own animated series, too!

The Captain Marvel code name would be ok I guess, now that it was discovered that Mar-Vell is a skrull and all. I also feel that Monica has outgrown the codename a little. I'm also down 4 for a new codename though. I'm feeling the names Daystar, Sunstar, or Spectra the sun goddess or just Spectra. In regards to an animated series, I think she should start out in a Marvel Avengers cartoon. An East Coast and West Coast Avengers cartoon would be on point IMO, with Monica, Captain America, and Luke Cage as Leaders and co-leaders. I would tivo it every week..lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on July 31, 2008, 06:09:27 am
Here's the problem I have with some of your arguments:

a)  Storm has been hurt by energy attacks before.  Magneto took control of her body once.  Others have used energy weapons against her and hurt her.  So, if others can, so can Monica.

b)  Willpower.  I never said that Monica's will is stronger, just that Monica has a very strong will, so a battle of wills would not be a foregone nor easy conclusion.

c)  Has Storm ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  When Storm fought Stardust, she did not even try to control that energy being.  It showed us she could disrupt an energy being, but not control. 

Also, (to the best of my recollection) no other energy manipulator has controlled been able to control Monica, not even Zeus nor Magneto. 

d)  You made a comment about how far Storm is willing to go?  That works both ways.  If Monica zipped into Storm's body at molecule size (at the speed of light) and then instantly returned to flesh and body; Storm would have no defense against that.  But, Monica has never used that tactic before, but she could.

e)  My 2 cents, the battle falls to speed.  Will power is great, all of Storm's powers are great, but if Monica decided to end the battle in a single strike, the battle would be over before Storm's senses could register that the fight began. 

HOwever, I will say, in comics, Monica rarely fights that aggressively or that fast. Just as Storm rarely fights as aggressively as she can.


I agree with most of this. I just want to add that Monica IMO has shown to use aggressive speed in battle on many occasions. 


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Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on July 31, 2008, 08:13:21 am
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. [url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url] ([url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2[/url])

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)


Okay, are we going to debate this giving each character all of their powers? If so, Storm wins. To begin with, Storm can fly on solar winds and not be affected by it. The solar winds carry with it all of the radiations that Monica can transform into. [url]http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg[/url] Remember stars have the full range of the EM spectrum in their composition. A strong argument can be made to state that Ororo is immune to Monica's powers. Lets also not forget that Storm can absorb EM energies and evolve. That is how she became Roguestorm. When she was trapped in that statue form, she was absorbing energies from the storm that her subconscious created, that combined with her mental state which let down the self-imposed limits of her powers triggered the evolution into Rougestorm.

Storm can touch a star and love it. She has absorbed the power of millions of stars.

If Monica shrinks down to an atom, that means nothing. Ororo can control the elements at an atomic level. [url]http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011rh6.jpg[/url]
She can exert control over Monica at any form, really. It would come down to a battle of the wills and raw power.

So Monica should not be able to give Storm radiation poisoning nor would shrinking down to an atomic size do anything.



For one Storm cannot fly on solar winds. That little stunt has been retconned away by Chris Claremont in Uncanny x-men #7 March 1987. It doesn't depict her controlling solar winds. but using her backpack maneuvering thrusters.

Sorry, that's the current continuity. She never in continuity used solar winds in that situation.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/classicxmen0712oq0ic9.jpg)

IMO compairing solar winds to the speed of light is ridiculous.  ::)

As for her attack of gather hydrogen atoms against Silver Surfer. Storm can't even survive in the cold darkness of space unless she has one of those breathing wrist bands around her arm. Sorry to say for Queen O, that a Reed Richards contraption won't be helping her in this fight.  Monica won't be needing any of that. Also If it came down to a one on one fight between the two of them, while Storm is GATHERING hydrogen atoms, in a blink of an eye Monica would topple Storm while she is Gathering for her attack. I want to see some examples of Ororo controlling an energy being, if it hasn't happened in comics already she can't do it IMO. 

Monica has the advantage of being intangible in all of her forms. It does not cost Monica any energy or concentration to stay in light form, move at light speed, or change energy types. Storm would also have to adjust her concentration to effect whatever energy Monica imitates. Plus I don't think Storm can see through illusions.
She may think she's fighting the real Monica one second but oops baby gurl that's not her. She's behind you with a energy blast or a metal pipe to ya dome..lol :D

Storm's control over EM energy barely extends past lightning. She's never been able to weaken Magneto's force fields, for instance.
As you can see via my banner/signature, Monica can pass right through his magnetic shield with no real effort and blast away till her hearts content. Magneto's force field means very little to someone who can scan it, absorb it, bypass it or overload it within a fraction of a second. That's the Sun Goddess 4 ya..lol

Storm hasn't been able to produce radiation like Monica can, X-rays, micro-waves or anything else. Storm can sense energy and cast lightning, but that's about it. I don't remember her manipulating any source of lightning she hadn't created already. Ala Thor or Crystal. Like I said if she can redirect their lighting, I'll be the first to give her her props, but not yet Stormy.

Monica has been shown to use other forms of energy outside the EM spectrum, She stole all of Green Lantern's energy and used it to attack her enemys. So she not only has the EM spectrum at her beck and call but she also has other unknown energies that Storm would have to contend with. 

In Avenger Infinity, Pulsar is seen here inside a Servitor and uses it's extra dimensional energy and explodes the machine from the inside.

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/ai2dg2-3.jpg)

As for RougeStorm, didn't she fly too high into the atmosphere and fallout from over exertion. If that's the case she needs to stay where she's needed by her husbands side. Leave the space explorations to the experts. Monica's best suited for that job. ;D

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/photonAvengersv127309.jpg)


Storm can't even use her powers for too long or this happens to the liddle darlin..lol

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/storm31px.jpg)


So Storm should remain where she is, handling her queenly duties..lol J/K

But seriously, I really like Storm. But this is a fight she cannot win. (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/photonavi.gif)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 01, 2008, 11:47:18 pm
Here's the problem I have with some of your arguments:

a)  Storm has been hurt by energy attacks before.  Magneto took control of her body once.  Others have used energy weapons against her and hurt her.  So, if others can, so can Monica.

b)  Willpower.  I never said that Monica's will is stronger, just that Monica has a very strong will, so a battle of wills would not be a foregone nor easy conclusion.

c)  Has Storm ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  When Storm fought Stardust, she did not even try to control that energy being.  It showed us she could disrupt an energy being, but not control. 

Also, (to the best of my recollection) no other energy manipulator has controlled been able to control Monica, not even Zeus nor Magneto. 

d)  You made a comment about how far Storm is willing to go?  That works both ways.  If Monica zipped into Storm's body at molecule size (at the speed of light) and then instantly returned to flesh and body; Storm would have no defense against that.  But, Monica has never used that tactic before, but she could.

e)  My 2 cents, the battle falls to speed.  Will power is great, all of Storm's powers are great, but if Monica decided to end the battle in a single strike, the battle would be over before Storm's senses could register that the fight began. 

HOwever, I will say, in comics, Monica rarely fights that aggressively or that fast. Just as Storm rarely fights as aggressively as she can.


A) Storm can definately be hurt by energy attacks. Telekinetics can do it. Darkforce can do it. Magic can hurt her, but EM energies should not. In the case of Magneto, I cannot give credence to those for several reasons: 1) Whenever Magneto comes around, Storm is not immune to electricity while in other stories, it states outright that she cannot be hurt by the elements. Read the last part of the first post of this page: http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.0 starting from 'Here we see Storm manipulating air pressure to suffocate Magneto,' and page 10, post 8. 2) Magneto never controlled her body. What he did in "Fatal Attractions" is grab the iron in her and that of the other X-Men to cut them off from their powers. It did not work on Bishop since Magneto had to grab a magnetic hold on the iron within the team and Bishop has the ability to absorb and throw back energy used against him. The same should have held true for Storm when it comes to Magneto's energy, but that is never brought up in stories involving Magneto. Magneto is really not a good character to bring up to prove anything since Storm has plenty of power showings in this thread that places her well above him. We can see the same thing with Phoenix. Phoenix easily defeated the herald of Galactus, Firelord in combat as well as saved the universe by healing the M'Kraan Crystal, yet was defeated by Magneto and the issue stated that her powers only rivalled Xavier in the Magneto story. She was weakened for the Magneto story and Magneto admitted in the same story that Storm had the power to beat him if she did not hold back.  Technically, given power stunts Storm has pulled since then she can beat him even while holding back.

B) Okay, but Storm's will is stronger and in the end, that should be one of the key things that make the difference.

C) Storm has controlled energy on a cosmic scale on several occassions. I don't know much about Zeus, but Storm outclasses Magneto big time. Magneto needs a machine to boost his powers to turn out the lights around the world. I can recall in "Magneto War" where he was hooked up to a magnetic amplifier to boost his powers to do this and when the machine was destroyed, he nearly lost his life trying to control all of that energy and his mutant powers were completely burned out as a result. He required to have Polaris near him at all times to tap into the EM fields through her. On the other hand, Storm controlled gamma rays on a global scale while controlling the energies of the planet on a global scale to combine them to create a force-field around the planet that deflected blasts from the sun which would have ended all life on Earth. She dispelled a hemisphere-size hurricane with the flick of a wrist. Just to let you know, I saw within the last 3 months a show on the discovery channel that stated that a hurricane generates more energy that it takes to run the world's power supply. Just think how much energy it would take to run a hemisphere-size hurricane! Also, Storm has controlled weather over both the African and North American continent. Then there is the battle with the Trion, the sum of an entire reality, which she single-handedly overpowered in combat. If a writer wanted to have Storm battle Zeus, there is canon to justify her taking him on and win. Magneto is a joke compared to Storm. When she is pulling these enormous power stunts with the weather, she controls the forces that patterns the weather as well as the manifestations. This includes the EM field and forces on a level that Magneto cannot begin to touch with a bunch of other things he cannot control on that same scale on top of it.

D) Wow, good one! :D

E) I don't know about that. Storm's reaction time and all has to be faster than other mutants.
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld38nt.jpg
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Notice how the scans says this ability gives her an advantage in any fight. Monica has to think and travel to Storm. Storm does not have to travel anywhere to hurt Monica and she can react fast enough to other advasaries where she can see what they are going to do before they do it and counter. This is according to the scan. Also, according to this scan, she can access her powers on less than a conscious level willingly. http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lessthanacnsciousthoughfo4.jpg. What I take from this is her bond with the life force of the planet, cosmos, star, or whichever reality is so profound that her desire it carried out before the conscious aspect of her mind can catch up to it or something like that. What I am saying here is the speedblitz argument may or may not apply depending on how the writer wants to use this...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 01, 2008, 11:48:39 pm
Here's the problem I have with some of your arguments:

a)  Storm has been hurt by energy attacks before.  Magneto took control of her body once.  Others have used energy weapons against her and hurt her.  So, if others can, so can Monica.

b)  Willpower.  I never said that Monica's will is stronger, just that Monica has a very strong will, so a battle of wills would not be a foregone nor easy conclusion.

c)  Has Storm ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  When Storm fought Stardust, she did not even try to control that energy being.  It showed us she could disrupt an energy being, but not control. 

Also, (to the best of my recollection) no other energy manipulator has controlled been able to control Monica, not even Zeus nor Magneto. 

d)  You made a comment about how far Storm is willing to go?  That works both ways.  If Monica zipped into Storm's body at molecule size (at the speed of light) and then instantly returned to flesh and body; Storm would have no defense against that.  But, Monica has never used that tactic before, but she could.

e)  My 2 cents, the battle falls to speed.  Will power is great, all of Storm's powers are great, but if Monica decided to end the battle in a single strike, the battle would be over before Storm's senses could register that the fight began. 

HOwever, I will say, in comics, Monica rarely fights that aggressively or that fast. Just as Storm rarely fights as aggressively as she can.


I agree with most of this. I just want to add that Monica IMO has shown to use aggressive speed in battle on many occasions. 


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In that scan with Storm, those were during her powerless punk days so they don't apply here.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 01, 2008, 11:56:46 pm
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2)

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)


Okay, are we going to debate this giving each character all of their powers? If so, Storm wins. To begin with, Storm can fly on solar winds and not be affected by it. The solar winds carry with it all of the radiations that Monica can transform into. http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg Remember stars have the full range of the EM spectrum in their composition. A strong argument can be made to state that Ororo is immune to Monica's powers. Lets also not forget that Storm can absorb EM energies and evolve. That is how she became Roguestorm. When she was trapped in that statue form, she was absorbing energies from the storm that her subconscious created, that combined with her mental state which let down the self-imposed limits of her powers triggered the evolution into Rougestorm.

Storm can touch a star and love it. She has absorbed the power of millions of stars.

If Monica shrinks down to an atom, that means nothing. Ororo can control the elements at an atomic level. http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011rh6.jpg
She can exert control over Monica at any form, really. It would come down to a battle of the wills and raw power.

So Monica should not be able to give Storm radiation poisoning nor would shrinking down to an atomic size do anything.



For one Storm cannot fly on solar winds. That little stunt has been retconned away by Chris Claremont in Uncanny x-men #7 March 1987. It doesn't depict her controlling solar winds. but using her backpack maneuvering thrusters.

Sorry, that's the current continuity. She never in continuity used solar winds in that situation.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/classicxmen0712oq0ic9.jpg)

IMO compairing solar winds to the speed of light is ridiculous.  ::)

As for her attack of gather hydrogen atoms against Silver Surfer. Storm can't even survive in the cold darkness of space unless she has one of those breathing wrist bands around her arm. Sorry to say for Queen O, that a Reed Richards contraption won't be helping her in this fight.  Monica won't be needing any of that. Also If it came down to a one on one fight between the two of them, while Storm is GATHERING hydrogen atoms, in a blink of an eye Monica would topple Storm while she is Gathering for her attack. I want to see some examples of Ororo controlling an energy being, if it hasn't happened in comics already she can't do it IMO. 

Monica has the advantage of being intangible in all of her forms. It does not cost Monica any energy or concentration to stay in light form, move at light speed, or change energy types. Storm would also have to adjust her concentration to effect whatever energy Monica imitates. Plus I don't think Storm can see through illusions.
She may think she's fighting the real Monica one second but oops baby gurl that's not her. She's behind you with a energy blast or a metal pipe to ya dome..lol :D

Storm's control over EM energy barely extends past lightning. She's never been able to weaken Magneto's force fields, for instance.
As you can see via my banner/signature, Monica can pass right through his magnetic shield with no real effort and blast away till her hearts content. Magneto's force field means very little to someone who can scan it, absorb it, bypass it or overload it within a fraction of a second. That's the Sun Goddess 4 ya..lol

Storm hasn't been able to produce radiation like Monica can, X-rays, micro-waves or anything else. Storm can sense energy and cast lightning, but that's about it. I don't remember her manipulating any source of lightning she hadn't created already. Ala Thor or Crystal. Like I said if she can redirect their lighting, I'll be the first to give her her props, but not yet Stormy.

Monica has been shown to use other forms of energy outside the EM spectrum, She stole all of Green Lantern's energy and used it to attack her enemys. So she not only has the EM spectrum at her beck and call but she also has other unknown energies that Storm would have to contend with. 

In Avenger Infinity, Pulsar is seen here inside a Servitor and uses it's extra dimensional energy and explodes the machine from the inside.

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/ai2dg2-3.jpg)

As for RougeStorm, didn't she fly too high into the atmosphere and fallout from over exertion. If that's the case she needs to stay where she's needed by her husbands side. Leave the space explorations to the experts. Monica's best suited for that job. ;D

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/photonAvengersv127309.jpg)


Storm can't even use her powers for too long or this happens to the liddle darlin..lol

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/storm31px.jpg)


So Storm should remain where she is, handling her queenly duties..lol J/K

But seriously, I really like Storm. But this is a fight she cannot win. (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/photonavi.gif)


I've got you! :D First off, I don't think it was CC who wrote the retcon in the Classic X-Men reprint of Uncanny 99 that you just posted, but it does not matter. That retcon was made null and void later on in the Classic reprint of the Brood Saga where it states that Storm can summon the solar wind and, in another issue, she still summons the full power of a galactic core, millions of stars. Solar winds come from stars. :D Also, in the last couple of entries of the Marvel Official Handbooks for Storm, her ability to command the solar winds have been included. Read the end of the first page and the very beginning of the second page here: http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookonc8.jpg
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookocc7.jpg
So that has been re-retconned. ;)

Furthermore, even Scott Lobdell, the writer well-known for writing Storm down stated that Ororo Munroe is Mistress of the Storm be it tropical, cosmic or arctic. Then we see her flying on the solar winds again here: http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg. This is within the last 2 years. :D

Also, I took that scan apart you just posted from X-Men Unlimited issue 1 on page 10, post 4. Read it. I really went into depth with documentation with scans and the whole nine.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 02, 2008, 03:08:57 pm
A) Storm can definately be hurt by energy attacks. Telekinetics can do it. Darkforce can do it. Magic can hurt her, but EM energies should not. In the case of Magneto, I cannot give credence to those for several reasons: 1) Whenever Magneto comes around, Storm is not immune to electricity while in other stories, it states outright that she cannot be hurt by the elements. Read the last part of the first post of this page: http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.0 starting from 'Here we see Storm manipulating air pressure to suffocate Magneto,' and page 10, post 8. 2) Magneto never controlled her body. What he did in "Fatal Attractions" is grab the iron in her and that of the other X-Men to cut them off from their powers. It did not work on Bishop since Magneto had to grab a magnetic hold on the iron within the team and Bishop has the ability to absorb and throw back energy used against him. The same should have held true for Storm when it comes to Magneto's energy, but that is never brought up in stories involving Magneto. Magneto is really not a good character to bring up to prove anything since Storm has plenty of power showings in this thread that places her well above him. We can see the same thing with Phoenix. Phoenix easily defeated the herald of Galactus, Firelord in combat as well as saved the universe by healing the M'Kraan Crystal, yet was defeated by Magneto and the issue stated that her powers only rivalled Xavier in the Magneto story. She was weakened for the Magneto story and Magneto admitted in the same story that Storm had the power to beat him if she did not hold back.  Technically, given power stunts Storm has pulled since then she can beat him even while holding back.

B) Okay, but Storm's will is stronger and in the end, that should be one of the key things that make the difference.

C) Storm has controlled energy on a cosmic scale on several occassions. I don't know much about Zeus, but Storm outclasses Magneto big time. Magneto needs a machine to boost his powers to turn out the lights around the world. I can recall in "Magneto War" where he was hooked up to a magnetic amplifier to boost his powers to do this and when the machine was destroyed, he nearly lost his life trying to control all of that energy and his mutant powers were completely burned out as a result. He required to have Polaris near him at all times to tap into the EM fields through her. On the other hand, Storm controlled gamma rays on a global scale while controlling the energies of the planet on a global scale to combine them to create a force-field around the planet that deflected blasts from the sun which would have ended all life on Earth. She dispelled a hemisphere-size hurricane with the flick of a wrist. Just to let you know, I saw within the last 3 months a show on the discovery channel that stated that a hurricane generates more energy that it takes to run the world's power supply. Just think how much energy it would take to run a hemisphere-size hurricane! Also, Storm has controlled weather over both the African and North American continent. Then there is the battle with the Trion, the sum of an entire reality, which she single-handedly overpowered in combat. If a writer wanted to have Storm battle Zeus, there is canon to justify her taking him on and win. Magneto is a joke compared to Storm. When she is pulling these enormous power stunts with the weather, she controls the forces that patterns the weather as well as the manifestations. This includes the EM field and forces on a level that Magneto cannot begin to touch with a bunch of other things he cannot control on that same scale on top of it.

D) Wow, good one! :D

E) I don't know about that. Storm's reaction time and all has to be faster than other mutants.


Notice how the scans says this ability gives her an advantage in any fight. Monica has to think and travel to Storm. Storm does not have to travel anywhere to hurt Monica and she can react fast enough to other advasaries where she can see what they are going to do before they do it and counter. This is according to the scan. Also, according to this scan, she can access her powers on less than a conscious level willingly. ...What I take from this is her bond with the life force of the planet, cosmos, star, or whichever reality is so profound that her desire it carried out before the conscious aspect of her mind can catch up to it or something like that. What I am saying here is the speedblitz argument may or may not apply depending on how the writer wants to use this...


A)  OK, point about Phoenix and Magneto.   If you are talking about when they were at his base in Antartica, (after Mesmero took control of everyone's will, including Storm) The fact that Jean was defeated by Magneto after beating Firelord was an indication that something was "wrong" with her powers.  Moria put her through a battery of test and found out that Phoenix had establish "circuit-breakers" to prevent her from accessing the full-power of the Phoenix.  At a full-power Phoenix, Magneto couldn't stand a minute.

As far the other point, (the main point), with determining someone's power levels, you have to deal with what is the norm, not what someone says, not what the narrator says or even the picture shows.   Storm being vulnerable to lasers and radiation and other EM attacks is more common than not.  (And it's the original.  If Storm was invulnerable to EM radiation then there was no reason for the origin of the Phoenix.  The reason Jean flew the plane was that she had the best chance of survival.  And you can't say, Storm since learned that, because you have said repeatedly that she instinctively knows all of her powers and abilities.)

C)  What level is Zeus? he's a Galactus level being. 

And my point is this--has she ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  Controlling equal amount of non-sentient energy is not the same thing as controlling a sentient energy field.  Until she does that, you can't assume that Storm could control her.  Or rather you can assume Storm can control her; I can assume Storm cannot control her, until Reggie decides.

E)  How many times has Storm been knocked out by surprise?  Even if her reaction time is superior to most mutants, it's still a flesh and blood, bio-chemical reaction.  Monica's brain (in her light form) is energy and that will always be faster.  Shoot, she is potentially even faster than any enviromental attack that isn't light.  (Now, if Monica is in her lightning form, her thoughts would be only as fast as lightning.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 02, 2008, 10:15:53 pm
A) Storm can definately be hurt by energy attacks. Telekinetics can do it. Darkforce can do it. Magic can hurt her, but EM energies should not. In the case of Magneto, I cannot give credence to those for several reasons: 1) Whenever Magneto comes around, Storm is not immune to electricity while in other stories, it states outright that she cannot be hurt by the elements. Read the last part of the first post of this page: http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.0 starting from 'Here we see Storm manipulating air pressure to suffocate Magneto,' and page 10, post 8. 2) Magneto never controlled her body. What he did in "Fatal Attractions" is grab the iron in her and that of the other X-Men to cut them off from their powers. It did not work on Bishop since Magneto had to grab a magnetic hold on the iron within the team and Bishop has the ability to absorb and throw back energy used against him. The same should have held true for Storm when it comes to Magneto's energy, but that is never brought up in stories involving Magneto. Magneto is really not a good character to bring up to prove anything since Storm has plenty of power showings in this thread that places her well above him. We can see the same thing with Phoenix. Phoenix easily defeated the herald of Galactus, Firelord in combat as well as saved the universe by healing the M'Kraan Crystal, yet was defeated by Magneto and the issue stated that her powers only rivalled Xavier in the Magneto story. She was weakened for the Magneto story and Magneto admitted in the same story that Storm had the power to beat him if she did not hold back.  Technically, given power stunts Storm has pulled since then she can beat him even while holding back.

B) Okay, but Storm's will is stronger and in the end, that should be one of the key things that make the difference.

C) Storm has controlled energy on a cosmic scale on several occassions. I don't know much about Zeus, but Storm outclasses Magneto big time. Magneto needs a machine to boost his powers to turn out the lights around the world. I can recall in "Magneto War" where he was hooked up to a magnetic amplifier to boost his powers to do this and when the machine was destroyed, he nearly lost his life trying to control all of that energy and his mutant powers were completely burned out as a result. He required to have Polaris near him at all times to tap into the EM fields through her. On the other hand, Storm controlled gamma rays on a global scale while controlling the energies of the planet on a global scale to combine them to create a force-field around the planet that deflected blasts from the sun which would have ended all life on Earth. She dispelled a hemisphere-size hurricane with the flick of a wrist. Just to let you know, I saw within the last 3 months a show on the discovery channel that stated that a hurricane generates more energy that it takes to run the world's power supply. Just think how much energy it would take to run a hemisphere-size hurricane! Also, Storm has controlled weather over both the African and North American continent. Then there is the battle with the Trion, the sum of an entire reality, which she single-handedly overpowered in combat. If a writer wanted to have Storm battle Zeus, there is canon to justify her taking him on and win. Magneto is a joke compared to Storm. When she is pulling these enormous power stunts with the weather, she controls the forces that patterns the weather as well as the manifestations. This includes the EM field and forces on a level that Magneto cannot begin to touch with a bunch of other things he cannot control on that same scale on top of it.

D) Wow, good one! :D

E) I don't know about that. Storm's reaction time and all has to be faster than other mutants.


Notice how the scans says this ability gives her an advantage in any fight. Monica has to think and travel to Storm. Storm does not have to travel anywhere to hurt Monica and she can react fast enough to other advasaries where she can see what they are going to do before they do it and counter. This is according to the scan. Also, according to this scan, she can access her powers on less than a conscious level willingly. ...What I take from this is her bond with the life force of the planet, cosmos, star, or whichever reality is so profound that her desire it carried out before the conscious aspect of her mind can catch up to it or something like that. What I am saying here is the speedblitz argument may or may not apply depending on how the writer wants to use this...


A)  OK, point about Phoenix and Magneto.   If you are talking about when they were at his base in Antartica, (after Mesmero took control of everyone's will, including Storm) The fact that Jean was defeated by Magneto after beating Firelord was an indication that something was "wrong" with her powers.  Moria put her through a battery of test and found out that Phoenix had establish "circuit-breakers" to prevent her from accessing the full-power of the Phoenix.  At a full-power Phoenix, Magneto couldn't stand a minute.

As far the other point, (the main point), with determining someone's power levels, you have to deal with what is the norm, not what someone says, not what the narrator says or even the picture shows.   Storm being vulnerable to lasers and radiation and other EM attacks is more common than not.  (And it's the original.  If Storm was invulnerable to EM radiation then there was no reason for the origin of the Phoenix.  The reason Jean flew the plane was that she had the best chance of survival.  And you can't say, Storm since learned that, because you have said repeatedly that she instinctively knows all of her powers and abilities.)

C)  What level is Zeus? he's a Galactus level being. 

And my point is this--has she ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  Controlling equal amount of non-sentient energy is not the same thing as controlling a sentient energy field.  Until she does that, you can't assume that Storm could control her.  Or rather you can assume Storm can control her; I can assume Storm cannot control her, until Reggie decides.

E)  How many times has Storm been knocked out by surprise?  Even if her reaction time is superior to most mutants, it's still a flesh and blood, bio-chemical reaction.  Monica's brain (in her light form) is energy and that will always be faster.  Shoot, she is potentially even faster than any enviromental attack that isn't light.  (Now, if Monica is in her lightning form, her thoughts would be only as fast as lightning.)


A) In regards to Mesmero taking control over everyone's will including Storm, that is no slight on Ororo. Read the second post on page one of the thread. Here is a link to the page: http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.0. Scroll down to the second post where I talk about Storm vs. telepaths and telekinetics. When Storm was introduced, her willpower was not as indomitable as it is now. Her legendary willpower grew apace with her character as an aspect of her. We can see that where the White Queen put the whammy on Storm, Wolverine and Colossus at the same time in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Then, when round 2 came along in Uncanny 152, Storm tells Emma that at one time, she was no match for her telepathy, but no longer and easily withstands a killing psi-blast from the White Queen and electrocutes her in retribution for the affront. That's just the start of it. I recommend that you read the whole post to get the full scope of Ororo's willpower development.

In regards to the second point, EM energies have hurt Storm, yes, but they *should not* be able to. Storm is far more powerful than the x-villains and has to be written down for the stories to work. Just look through the feats of hers established in this thread. Its not unlike Thor where it was stated in an issue that when Thor fights villains alonside the Avengers, he holds back a lot hence he is written more powerfully in his solo title where he fights villains up to the standards of his power class. The same thing should be stated for Ororo in the X-Men titles to help alleviate so much of the PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity).

Okay, Jean flew the plane because she *supposedly* had the best chance of survival, right, but just a few issues earlier, Storm commanded the solar winds. Technically, Ororo had been given the power to control the solar flare with a thought that assaulted Jean and the writer ignored that for the plot to work- Jean facing death and having to rely on the possession of the cosmic Phoenix Force to survive.

In regards to the Phoenix/Magneto and Storm/Magneto thing, Jean Grey was given the Phoenix Force to be on a power level with Storm. Notice when Jean Grey fought Firelord, her attacks were stated to be backed by the power of a star. When Storm fought the sentinel in space, her attack on the sentinel was likewise stated to be backed by the power of a star. I believe the reason the Classic X-Men tried to retcon Storm controlling the solar wind in Uncanny 99 was because they later realized that Storm's ability to control the solar wind would have meant she could have dispelled of the solar flare or radiation storm or whatever it was. However, with the Classic X-Men reprint of the Brood Saga, it reestablished her control over the solar winds and maintained her power to tap into stars. Then Lobdell perpetuated the established fact that Ororo is Mistress of the Cosmic Storm as well as planatary environments by stating this in canon. McDuffie further gave Storm power in space, etc.  I think Marvel just realized that the whole scenerio which lead to Jean bonding with the Phoenix Force did not quite work with a character with Storm's powerset in the issue. She should have been able to dispel that radiation storm. They realized that other stories which came after this one further established Ororo's cosmic powers and gave up on the retcon because it made no sense at all. The whole scenerio with the radiation flare leading Jean to bond with Phoenix was a mistake as it did not make sense, however, there is nothing that can be done to change it save to write Storm out of that issue given stories that firmly establishes Ororo with these powers is future arcs as well as an issue prior to this event, so they just chaulk it up to faulty writing. Really, its just a small blemish on the road which gave rise to a timeless story with the whole Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Saga. The Official Handbooks over the past several years honor the original presentation of Storm in Uncanny 99 and they are correct to do so.

C) Storm can control sentient beings composed of the forces that she commands. Her recent battle with Hydro-Man proves this. Storm controls moisture and Hydro-Man is a sentient bieng composed of water and she was able to disperse him with a mere thought. While Photon is more powerful than Hydro-Man, she is a sentient being likewise composed of energy that falls under Storm's dominion.

E) The whole "taking Storm by surprise thing" is a bunch of PIS. Remember, the lady can airplanes moving though the air miles away. She can feel objects being thrown at her from behind and dodge them without even a glance back, etc. These abilities are not always brought up with Storm again to make it easier for villains to pose a threat to her. However, in these debates, we give the characters their full range of powers. None of the x-villains can really stand up to her powers.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Francisco on August 04, 2008, 07:56:40 am
Storm is simply not as powerful as Photom. Hydro Man is a being made of water. Photom is a being with the power to transform herself in pure energy and to control all forms of energy. Storm taking control over her ain't just gonna happen. I'm the first one to admit Storm is quite powerful but let's face it. Photom is Silver Surfer level. Storm just won't cut it. IMO.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 04, 2008, 01:06:13 pm
Storm is Phoenix level.
Storm will cut it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Francisco on August 04, 2008, 03:22:50 pm
Storm is Phoenix level.
Storm will cut it.
I'll say it again.. Storm is awesome. She's among the best but she ain't Phoenix level. Hell she ain't Silver Surfer Level.
Her control over the whether is outstanding and awe inducing but she's nowhere near Phoenix.. We're talking about a being with the power to eat stars. Storm can't touch that.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 04, 2008, 08:43:58 pm
Storm is Phoenix level.
Storm will cut it.

I'll say it again.. Storm is awesome. She's among the best but she ain't Phoenix level. Hell she ain't Silver Surfer Level.
Her control over the whether is outstanding and awe inducing but she's nowhere near Phoenix.. We're talking about a being with the power to eat stars. Storm can't touch that.



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This stunt left out in deep space unprotected as it destroyed her space-ship. She can only survive a few minutes out in space unaided as it was established between Uncanny 160 and 165 (one of those issues). This stunt came from Uncanny 165. In Uncanny 166, we see her floating aimlessly in deep space in the last moments of her life when the Acanti find her and heal her.

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Remember how Storm and the X-Men were kidnapped and taken to the Trion dimension? The Trion were basically the sum of that reality. They were the elemental forces personified and they controlled the entire dimension. Storm goes there, faces all three of them together in a 3 against 1 combat (her against the three of them total) and shows greater command and power over the forces there than they. She overpowers them:

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This shows the amount of power and control Storm has over the forces that governs whichever reality/environment/whatever she is present in.

it was 1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)


The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...

"RB: Storm next...

Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.


RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?

Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.

Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."

Okay, there is the interview. Now, here is Uncanny 145-147: (The cover of 147 stated "We did it once, dare we do it again," in allusion to the Dark Phoenix Saga.)

As stated in that interview, Storm's powers are equal to Phoenix. However, at that time, Phoenix's powers were tempered by Jean's humanity. Same holds true for Ororo. Her powers are tempered by her humanity. In the case of Phoenix, when Jean's humanity was removed, nothing was there to restrain the power and DP was born. It had near-infinite power, but kept growing and reaching for ultimate power. However, it was stopped before that. DP stated that she had limits still and did not like this. This was before she consumed the star. However, the Watcher let us know  that DP could have attained ultimate power and been second only to the Creator had she kept going and not been stopped.

In the case of Storm, when her humanity was stripped, she also had near-infinite power and was reaching for ultimate power. It was in her grasp. However, she brought herself under control rather than continuining down that mad god road of the DP. Both had the potential to grasp ultimate power in their reach.  Storm simply refused it while Phoenix was stopped before she reached it.

If Storm were to let go of her blocks and delve into her powers and kept reaching for the higher power levels, she would reach ultimate and unlimited power.

We know in Uncanny 165-166 that Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to its will. This includes stars, planets, empty space, etc.

Right now, Storm has the power of a goddess, but she is limited to her flesh and blood body. However, as stated in X-Treme issue 5, she will one day transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess.

 here are some scans paralleling in canon the power of Storm and the Phoenix Force:

Now, to establish the power of the Phoenix Force which Storm's potential equals:


](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8828/xmtdps150ep7.th.jpg) (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps150ep7.jpg)

So the power of the PF is second only to the Creator.


Remember how the interview said "the bird effect"?

(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/337/xmtdps054iy4.th.jpg) (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps054iy4.jpg)

"Her Power is a song within her"

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5163/xmtdps055qb3.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps055qb3.jpg)

Also....beyond HUMAN comprehension

"Her power SINGS within her"

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/453/omegapotentail51qe.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail51qe.jpg)

"Evolved beyond ALL COMPREHENSION"

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6052/omegapotentail6vg.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail6vg.jpg)

There is more, but I trust this is sufficient.







Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Francisco on August 05, 2008, 05:12:48 am
Yeah Storm does have the potential but until that day comes she just doesn't have the power to defeat Monica. She's still just a human being with psionic powers. You said it yourself Storm's power is limited by the fact that she's a flesh and blood being. She had the opportunity to transcend but she refused to continue in the pursuit of that much power. Storm can't eat sun, she can't blow planets, she can't survive in space all by herself. She's just a human with weather control powers.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 05, 2008, 12:35:58 pm
Yeah Storm does have the potential but until that day comes she just doesn't have the power to defeat Monica. She's still just a human being with psionic powers. You said it yourself Storm's power is limited by the fact that she's a flesh and blood being. She had the opportunity to transcend but she refused to continue in the pursuit of that much power. Storm can't eat sun, she can't blow planets, she can't survive in space all by herself. She's just a human with weather control powers.



Everyone saw what she did in my previous post with those millions of stars, the Trion, etc. Everyone can draw their own conclusions.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on August 05, 2008, 04:54:49 pm
Ah I see the discussion of the powers of Queen Ro v Monica landed here? Lol, I'll have to review this as I know Rutog98 represented  :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 05, 2008, 05:52:13 pm
Now, to establish the power of the Phoenix Force which Storm's potential equals:


]([url]http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8828/xmtdps150ep7.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps150ep7.jpg[/url])

So the power of the PF is second only to the Creator.


Remember how the interview said "the bird effect"?

([url]http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/337/xmtdps054iy4.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps054iy4.jpg[/url])

"Her Power is a song within her"

([url]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5163/xmtdps055qb3.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps055qb3.jpg[/url])

Also....beyond HUMAN comprehension

"Her power SINGS within her"

([url]http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/453/omegapotentail51qe.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail51qe.jpg[/url])

"Evolved beyond ALL COMPREHENSION"

([url]http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6052/omegapotentail6vg.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omegapotentail6vg.jpg[/url])

There is more, but I trust this is sufficient.



Hmmm, here's an interesting thing--The Watcher was wrong.  A)  in the Marvel Universe, Living Tribunal is the most powerful being outside of God; Phoenix isn't in his class.  Even at her best, Phoenix stands equal to Galactus, but has a better power supply than him and she never weakens.  (which btw, which btw, Phoenix was reconted after the article because when she has access to her full-power, we found out that Phoenix never weakens.)  The Beyonder was shown to be more powerful than the Phoenix and the Celestials were more powerful then Beyonders.

B)  He didn't even realize that wasn't Jean Grey, but a "clone-body" of Jean inhabited by the Phoenix Force and the real Jean was under the water in a pod healing. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 05, 2008, 05:59:21 pm
Yeah Storm does have the potential but until that day comes she just doesn't have the power to defeat Monica. She's still just a human being with psionic powers. You said it yourself Storm's power is limited by the fact that she's a flesh and blood being. She had the opportunity to transcend but she refused to continue in the pursuit of that much power. Storm can't eat sun, she can't blow planets, she can't survive in space all by herself. She's just a human with weather control powers.



OK, you all know I favor Monica over Storm, but don't minimize Ororo either.  Ororo can beat Monica;  who knows exactly what an EMP (or multiple EMPs) would do the Monica.  I just think the Avenger has the edge, but not an automatic victory.

I also think we all tend to ignore the fact that these ladies hardly battle at the max from the opening volley.  Battles are won and lost by stragedy and luck, both of which can favor either one at any time.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 06, 2008, 12:29:33 am
Now, to establish the power of the Phoenix Force which Storm's potential equals:


]([url]http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8828/xmtdps150ep7.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps150ep7.jpg[/url])

So the power of the PF is second only to the Creator.


Remember how the interview said "the bird effect"?

([url]http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/337/xmtdps054iy4.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps054iy4.jpg[/url])

"Her Power is a song within her"

([url]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5163/xmtdps055qb3.th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmtdps055qb3.jpg[/url])

Also....beyond HUMAN comprehension

"Her power SINGS within her"

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There is more, but I trust this is sufficient.



Hmmm, here's an interesting thing--The Watcher was wrong.  A)  in the Marvel Universe, Living Tribunal is the most powerful being outside of God; Phoenix isn't in his class.  Even at her best, Phoenix stands equal to Galactus, but has a better power supply than him and she never weakens.  (which btw, which btw, Phoenix was reconted after the article because when she has access to her full-power, we found out that Phoenix never weakens.)  The Beyonder was shown to be more powerful than the Phoenix and the Celestials were more powerful then Beyonders.

B)  He didn't even realize that wasn't Jean Grey, but a "clone-body" of Jean inhabited by the Phoenix Force and the real Jean was under the water in a pod healing. 



The retcon Phoenix got after the article was it inhabiting a cloned body of Jean Grey rather than it possessing Jean Grey. Remember, Phoenix's powers were kept in check by Jean's humanity. As her humanity eroded, the more powerful she became. That was the same thing with the Storm/Rougestorm thing. Both Dark Phoenix and Rougestorm were stated to have near-infinite power. That said, when the Beyonder first came about, he was more powerful than the Celestials and the other abstracts. It wasn't till when he was later retconned that the Celestials were more powerful if memory serves me right. A lot of this stuff about which abstract is more powerful than the other changes depending on the writer.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on August 06, 2008, 02:24:17 pm
See the problem with these VS debates is that they dont go well and it is all speculation until it happens. So in many cases why even bother. I can see it now that if Monica wins (well there would be hell) If Storm wins (no so much since she is a bit known more)


Big bank takes little bank :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 06, 2008, 04:21:53 pm
The retcon Phoenix got after the article was it inhabiting a cloned body of Jean Grey rather than it possessing Jean Grey. Remember, Phoenix's powers were kept in check by Jean's humanity. As her humanity eroded, the more powerful she became. That was the same thing with the Storm/Rougestorm thing. Both Dark Phoenix and Rougestorm were stated to have near-infinite power. That said, when the Beyonder first came about, he was more powerful than the Celestials and the other abstracts. It wasn't till when he was later retconned that the Celestials were more powerful if memory serves me right. A lot of this stuff about which abstract is more powerful than the other changes depending on the writer.



As far Beyonder goes, it's not so much a recont, but a reinterpretation.  Beyonder defeated the Celestials and all the other powers.  But later he found out that they only pretended to be defeated--it was a test.  So, it still happened, but it wasn't what he originally thought.

But the Beyonder is actually a good warning that really, everything we post as proof for our positions (pro or con) are actually "pointless."  The Beyonder was first introduced as the sum and all of his universe.  Then suddenly he was a Cosmic Cube entity.  That Cosmic Cube entity evolved into it's true 'adult' form.  Now, suddenly we find out that the Beyonder is still the Beyonder (he has not grown up) and he was never from another universe, nor was he a cosmic cube entity.  Now the Beyonder is a mutant Inhuman.    Everything that was, is no more. 

Marvel has adopted a view that continuity/history should not get in the way of a good story.  If a good story has Storm fitting Rutog's interpretation, then that that is the right Storm, but if another writer wants to write a story with a "weaker" Storm, then that's the right Storm now.  Continutity--all the things that Storm or Monica or Firestar or any of the others have done, doesn't necessarily matter.  All the matters is what the current writers feel counts.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on August 06, 2008, 04:57:51 pm
Actually I understand Storm and Monie (and I'll bet the world she is never called 'Captain Marvel' again nor should be) being depiction as nit using full power levels. Its like with Flash if you go by what he should be able to do there's not story or drama. What I want is diversity and creativity in what they do use especially Storm. She is more than wind and lightening.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on August 12, 2008, 06:31:02 pm
I wrote a long reply but it got nixed by the fickle internet gods,so this one will be quick:

I'm with the point that Rutog brought up some 54 pages earlier and which KIP LEWIS echoed a page or so ago: in the final analysis,the writer is the determinant factor about who does what to whom,why and when.And at any time another writer could introduce something that negates and nullifies what just got accepted as canon,and then another writer could come up with a reason in a storyline explaning how both of those previously conflicting explanations are actually simultaneously true.It's all about the writers,yall.

As such,I tend to look at the Ororo v Monica thing in two phases: what writers depict as each of their "norm" displays of power and ability,and what are their "top end" powers.In their "norm" as depicted by writers,Storm is clearly the superior empty hand combatant.I remember when Monica was intro'd to the Avengers,she sparred with my ace,the inimitable Captain America.It was very quick h2h,but she didn't suck.On the other hand,Storm has gone YEARS without her powers and vanquished many a foe h2h in deadly combat.Storm takes the h2h department.

In their "norm" phases in ,Monica mops the room with Storm and pretty much 90% of the MU too.She is simply too fast too powerful and too varied in her attacks.She very much demonstrates the truth of that old saw:"SPEED KILLS." She outraces pretty much anyone's speed of thought,so there is no hope for their reaction time.In any kind of "norm" powers throwdown,Monica's speed is the lethal decisive factor.Like someone (Francisco?) so aptly stated:"That's the Sun Goddess for ya."

But when you get durty durty and these awesome sistahs break out the full on rock em sock em Blackness? Storm mops Monica--and everybody else in the MU--from one end of the MU to the other.One word for ya: Roguestorm.Monica shut down the Green Lantern juice.Roguestorm IS ULTIMATE POWER.Nobody anywhere is seeing that.Period.That's omnipotence for ya.

But like I noted before...the most decisve factor is more subtle than pure power levels.After the salacious depravity of The Arena,after losing her powers due to Forge's gun,after being pursued by interdimensional warlords,after being ravished by Dracula and becoming BloodStorm,after psychic rape,after the wildness of her punk phase and the horror of the Brood after housing the very Essence of Eternity Itself within her,and decades more of extraordinary adventures...Ororo is still the indomitable spirit and unimpeachable warrior pure heart who rejected the lure of ultimate power and being the Roguestorm because it was wrong.Would Monica do that? She 86'd Killmonger not only because he threatened two nations (Niganda and Wakanda) and BP (her secret love) but also because KM heaped indignity upon indignity upon her.I think Monica would be far more pressed to handle the things that Ororo has faced and overcome.Remember...Ororo handled BP after Doom with a laugh and a kiss.Monica lashed back at BP in front of the amassed Wakandans and Nigandans.Ultimately,the difference between them may be the grace,the wisdom and the temperance to know that TRUE POWER has NOTHING TO DO with lasers and storms,and EVERYTHING to do with your mind,heart,spirit and character.

Ororo's spirit is stronger,so Ororo takes Monica no questions h2h physically and spiritually,with Monica taking Ororo handily in the "norm" wavelengths of power displays,but not at the highest echelons of powers from each goddess.That's Ororo ahead 2 out of 3,and 3 out of 3 under extreme duress.
 
The Supreme Illuminati has spoken.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 12, 2008, 11:00:52 pm
SI,

You present your thoughts well, as usual. Nice post!



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 13, 2008, 08:43:52 pm
Speed is Monica's biggest asset in this fight. I agree with that point you raised. I think that there are some creative ways that a writer can combat that (maybe have Storm fighting on pure instinct, controlling energy with less than a conscious thought, etc), I don't know. I don't have any definate way for regular Storm to beat the speed thing that's a sure bet and Monica can turn into energies that are not EM like nutrinos.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 14, 2008, 10:14:42 am
Speed is Monica's biggest asset in this fight. I agree with that point you raised. I think that there are some creative ways that a writer can combat that (maybe have Storm fighting on pure instinct, controlling energy with less than a conscious thought, etc), I don't know. I don't have any definate way for regular Storm to beat the speed thing that's a sure bet and Monica can turn into energies that are not EM like nutrinos.

Storm's way to beat the speed thing is in tactics.  True, if Monica is pissed and going for the kill in the first strike, then Storm is at a major disadavantage.  But Monica rarely goes for the KILL (literal kill, not figurative), and she doesn't take down every foe within the first milisecond of conflict.  She can, but like most comics starring super-speedsters like Superman or Flash, they rarely use their speed to the ultimate from the first shot.  (same as Storm; she rarely goes for the exotic aspects of her power in the opening--wind, rain and lightning tends to be her first shots.)  It's in those "habits" that either side can pull the win-shot.

Shoot, if Storm got off the first strike while Monica is in human form, she could easily take it.

And things may very well turn on, who knows the other better?  If Storm knows Monica and her habits well, but Monica doesn't know Storm, then Storm can predict.  Vis versa is also true. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on September 01, 2008, 02:19:31 pm
Here's the problem I have with some of your arguments:

a)  Storm has been hurt by energy attacks before.  Magneto took control of her body once.  Others have used energy weapons against her and hurt her.  So, if others can, so can Monica.

b)  Willpower.  I never said that Monica's will is stronger, just that Monica has a very strong will, so a battle of wills would not be a foregone nor easy conclusion.

c)  Has Storm ever controlled an energy being as powerful as Monica before?  When Storm fought Stardust, she did not even try to control that energy being.  It showed us she could disrupt an energy being, but not control. 

Also, (to the best of my recollection) no other energy manipulator has controlled been able to control Monica, not even Zeus nor Magneto. 

d)  You made a comment about how far Storm is willing to go?  That works both ways.  If Monica zipped into Storm's body at molecule size (at the speed of light) and then instantly returned to flesh and body; Storm would have no defense against that.  But, Monica has never used that tactic before, but she could.

e)  My 2 cents, the battle falls to speed.  Will power is great, all of Storm's powers are great, but if Monica decided to end the battle in a single strike, the battle would be over before Storm's senses could register that the fight began. 

HOwever, I will say, in comics, Monica rarely fights that aggressively or that fast. Just as Storm rarely fights as aggressively as she can.


I agree with most of this. I just want to add that Monica IMO has shown to use aggressive speed in battle on many occasions. 


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In that scan with Storm, those were during her powerless punk days so they don't apply here.


Oh so Storm's not as fast as you say she is. I guess even Forge can get a shot off Queen O...lol

Her being powerless is not Monica's problem, mammy should have stayed home tending to the children of the atom..lol

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on September 01, 2008, 03:54:20 pm
I have to disagree with the notion that Ororo would best Monica. Monica would vaporize Queen O, and I adore Storm. There is a discussion going on about the two of them battling and I strongly agree with the posters that Pulsar would win in a battle between the two. 

Here is the link to the site where the discussion is being held. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=231002&page=2)

When Storm can touch the surface of the sun and glow in sheer delight and survive and shoot back to earth in less than a second, or survive in the vaccum of space like Monica can or use Thor's lighting against him, I'll be the first one to say she's a baaad b***h . Don't get me wrong she's powerful but not that powerful. Monica would shrink to the size of an atom go into Ororo's brain and blast her with the many powers at her disposal and it would all be done in a fraction of a second. Maybe giving Storm radiation poisoning and letting it marinate, while shooting back to America to give Tony the news that the queen of Wakanda is ill...lol J/K ;)


Okay, are we going to debate this giving each character all of their powers? If so, Storm wins. To begin with, Storm can fly on solar winds and not be affected by it. The solar winds carry with it all of the radiations that Monica can transform into. http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg Remember stars have the full range of the EM spectrum in their composition. A strong argument can be made to state that Ororo is immune to Monica's powers. Lets also not forget that Storm can absorb EM energies and evolve. That is how she became Roguestorm. When she was trapped in that statue form, she was absorbing energies from the storm that her subconscious created, that combined with her mental state which let down the self-imposed limits of her powers triggered the evolution into Rougestorm.

Storm can touch a star and love it. She has absorbed the power of millions of stars.

If Monica shrinks down to an atom, that means nothing. Ororo can control the elements at an atomic level. http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg
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She can exert control over Monica at any form, really. It would come down to a battle of the wills and raw power.

So Monica should not be able to give Storm radiation poisoning nor would shrinking down to an atomic size do anything.



For one Storm cannot fly on solar winds. That little stunt has been retconned away by Chris Claremont in Uncanny x-men #7 March 1987. It doesn't depict her controlling solar winds. but using her backpack maneuvering thrusters.

Sorry, that's the current continuity. She never in continuity used solar winds in that situation.

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IMO compairing solar winds to the speed of light is ridiculous.  ::)

As for her attack of gather hydrogen atoms against Silver Surfer. Storm can't even survive in the cold darkness of space unless she has one of those breathing wrist bands around her arm. Sorry to say for Queen O, that a Reed Richards contraption won't be helping her in this fight.  Monica won't be needing any of that. Also If it came down to a one on one fight between the two of them, while Storm is GATHERING hydrogen atoms, in a blink of an eye Monica would topple Storm while she is Gathering for her attack. I want to see some examples of Ororo controlling an energy being, if it hasn't happened in comics already she can't do it IMO. 

Monica has the advantage of being intangible in all of her forms. It does not cost Monica any energy or concentration to stay in light form, move at light speed, or change energy types. Storm would also have to adjust her concentration to effect whatever energy Monica imitates. Plus I don't think Storm can see through illusions.
She may think she's fighting the real Monica one second but oops baby gurl that's not her. She's behind you with a energy blast or a metal pipe to ya dome..lol :D

Storm's control over EM energy barely extends past lightning. She's never been able to weaken Magneto's force fields, for instance.
As you can see via my banner/signature, Monica can pass right through his magnetic shield with no real effort and blast away till her hearts content. Magneto's force field means very little to someone who can scan it, absorb it, bypass it or overload it within a fraction of a second. That's the Sun Goddess 4 ya..lol

Storm hasn't been able to produce radiation like Monica can, X-rays, micro-waves or anything else. Storm can sense energy and cast lightning, but that's about it. I don't remember her manipulating any source of lightning she hadn't created already. Ala Thor or Crystal. Like I said if she can redirect their lighting, I'll be the first to give her her props, but not yet Stormy.

Monica has been shown to use other forms of energy outside the EM spectrum, She stole all of Green Lantern's energy and used it to attack her enemys. So she not only has the EM spectrum at her beck and call but she also has other unknown energies that Storm would have to contend with. 

In Avenger Infinity, Pulsar is seen here inside a Servitor and uses it's extra dimensional energy and explodes the machine from the inside.

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As for RougeStorm, didn't she fly too high into the atmosphere and fallout from over exertion. If that's the case she needs to stay where she's needed by her husbands side. Leave the space explorations to the experts. Monica's best suited for that job. ;D

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Storm can't even use her powers for too long or this happens to the liddle darlin..lol

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So Storm should remain where she is, handling her queenly duties..lol J/K

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I've got you! :D First off, I don't think it was CC who wrote the retcon in the Classic X-Men reprint of Uncanny 99 that you just posted, but it does not matter. That retcon was made null and void later on in the Classic reprint of the Brood Saga where it states that Storm can summon the solar wind and, in another issue, she still summons the full power of a galactic core, millions of stars. Solar winds come from stars. :D Also, in the last couple of entries of the Marvel Official Handbooks for Storm, her ability to command the solar winds have been included. Read the end of the first page and the very beginning of the second page here: http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookonc8.jpg
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So that has been re-retconned. ;)

Furthermore, even Scott Lobdell, the writer well-known for writing Storm down stated that Ororo Munroe is Mistress of the Storm be it tropical, cosmic or arctic. Then we see her flying on the solar winds again here: http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg. This is within the last 2 years. :D

Also, I took that scan apart you just posted from X-Men Unlimited issue 1 on page 10, post 4. Read it. I really went into depth with documentation with scans and the whole nine.



Yes it was CC.
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It is literally just a reprint then and it holds it's ground seeing how the writer of both issues is basically the same person. Marvel obviously went to a lot of trouble to change it...since it's practically an updated version with 2-3 extra pages and an extra story. Logically this would make the Classic X-Men issue hold more grounds.


Interviews are not a valid canon source, use the comics. Writers perspective does not count for feats in a rumbles match, you must use scans or feats to back that up. In the image you showed it says nothing about solar winds. The contraption on her arm could be providing her movement, so thats speculation on your part.


You will have to show feats that show Storm's reaction speed is enough to prevent her from being speed blitzed from faster characters who can think and react at higher speeds. Characters such as Quicksilver, Sentry, Gladiator, Spitfire and Monica who as the scan shows has blitzed Quicksilver and has reaction time as fast as this:

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If she's so fast why couldn't have moved out of the line of fire here:

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Sauron checked her with a gun shot, tsk tsk moving at that speed will never do against the sun goddess.

Seen here corny ass Cyclops..lol takes on Logan, Kurt, and Ororo, and gets the best of the three of them. Now if CyK can take all three of them and he's IMO sub par to most heroes, that says alot about Storms speed and abilities, especially going up against the sun goddess. ;)

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She summoned the power of the entire core" but only for the "Brifest of moments" and both her and the embryo die. It's a good feat and all, but it was very brief and it killed her hardly the display of a REAL Cosmic Power. Now Monica on the other hand can survive in space performing cosmic feats without limits while in her energy form in the matter of seconds.


I've read of her winds reaching 100mph and 150knots in the handbook(2004) to clarify that her winds can reach a maximum of 300mph. Still not reaching Monica's speed. If Storm doesn't have lightspeed reaction feats, she's going to have an uphill battle dealing with a speedblitz from Monica.

Shown here, Monica moves so fast that the other heroes are stuck in place.
 
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I really like Storm but she cannot beat Monica. I know Storm is more popular than Pulsar and some people don't want to let go of their hero losing, but it is what it is. I would rather see the two on a team fighting evil.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on September 01, 2008, 05:46:07 pm
Yeah Storm does have the potential but until that day comes she just doesn't have the power to defeat Monica. She's still just a human being with psionic powers. You said it yourself Storm's power is limited by the fact that she's a flesh and blood being. She had the opportunity to transcend but she refused to continue in the pursuit of that much power. Storm can't eat sun, she can't blow planets, she can't survive in space all by herself. She's just a human with weather control powers.



OK, you all know I favor Monica over Storm, but don't minimize Ororo either.  Ororo can beat Monica;  who knows exactly what an EMP (or multiple EMPs) would do the Monica.  I just think the Avenger has the edge, but not an automatic victory.

I also think we all tend to ignore the fact that these ladies hardly battle at the max from the opening volley.  Battles are won and lost by stragedy and luck, both of which can favor either one at any time.

I don't think people are minimizing Storm. I think Francisco has a point. Storm can't do any of those things. People keep comparing her to Phoenix.  I've read the Rougestorm issue and there's still nothing that gives the impression of her being on a cosmic level .
Hit Doom with a lightning bolt? The winds are 200 Knots? Not something Storm hasn't done before. Seeing how she couldn't dispel the Storm immediately she must have limits. Her power is near infinite therefore she must have limits. A very vague statement not a gauge in power.  :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on September 01, 2008, 05:51:33 pm
Speed is Monica's biggest asset in this fight. I agree with that point you raised. I think that there are some creative ways that a writer can combat that (maybe have Storm fighting on pure instinct, controlling energy with less than a conscious thought, etc), I don't know. I don't have any definate way for regular Storm to beat the speed thing that's a sure bet and Monica can turn into energies that are not EM like nutrinos.

Storm's way to beat the speed thing is in tactics.  True, if Monica is pissed and going for the kill in the first strike, then Storm is at a major disadavantage.  But Monica rarely goes for the KILL (literal kill, not figurative), and she doesn't take down every foe within the first milisecond of conflict.  She can, but like most comics starring super-speedsters like Superman or Flash, they rarely use their speed to the ultimate from the first shot.  (same as Storm; she rarely goes for the exotic aspects of her power in the opening--wind, rain and lightning tends to be her first shots.)  It's in those "habits" that either side can pull the win-shot.

Shoot, if Storm got off the first strike while Monica is in human form, she could easily take it.

And things may very well turn on, who knows the other better?  If Storm knows Monica and her habits well, but Monica doesn't know Storm, then Storm can predict.  Vis versa is also true. 

IMO Monica does go for the kill or at least to knock you on ya ass real fast. I doubt she was trying to shake Kilmongers hand when she went in for the attack in BP #35. As far as tactics go Monica has leadership skills where having a steady hand in tactics is key.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 01, 2008, 10:04:23 pm
I already dealt with the retcon thing with Uncanny 99. That retcon with the solar wind has been set aside and now Marvel recognizes the original presentation as there are future stories after that issue and after the retcon that establishes Ororo's power over stars and cosmic wind (which comes from stars).

As far as the galactic core thing goes, I have already explained that at length in this thread. The issue states that it was easy for her to pull that feat. However, it did destroy her spaceship and life support. It was established a few issues earlier that Storm can only survive a few minutes in space without life support. Also, Storm did not die in uncanny 165. The Acanti found her while she was floating in space without any life support and it healed her back to full health. This was shown in the flashback in the following issue, 166, which you can see here: http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen198302uncannyxmen16ck3.jpg

As far as the whole immunity to the elements thing you brought up with that Unlimited issue 1, go and read page 10, post 4 of the thread. I dealt with that. Furthermore, in the issue you brought up to try and weaken Ororo, the very same issue establishes that Storm is "Mistress of the Storm be it tropical, cosmic or arctic." Then we see her flying on the solar winds again here: http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010wi4.jpg. This is within the last 2 years.

As for the reason for the retcon, I gave a good reason why it was attempted. I will quote what I wrote again.

Okay, Jean flew the plane because she *supposedly* had the best chance of survival, right, but just a few issues earlier, Storm commanded the solar winds. Technically, Ororo had been given the power to control the solar flare with a thought that assaulted Jean and the writer ignored that for the plot to work- Jean facing death and having to rely on the possession of the cosmic Phoenix Force to survive.

Whether or not my estimation is correct is irrevelent as the thing that matters is Ororo's control over stars, etc is canon and is what is honored by Marvel as it has now been included in her bio for the last couple of entries in the Official Handbook of the MU.

The arguments you have tried to present have already been addressed. Go back and read the discussions.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on September 17, 2008, 05:18:00 pm
I'm not trying to weaken Storm, it's not that serious. If you want to point blame you should take it up with Marvel's writers of the character. My argument is that Storm cannot beat Pulsar. On anyday Pulsar would trump Storm, because Storm's best is Pulsar's average.

According to this scan, Storm says "Her weather powers have limited effectiveness in space, she's too far from the sun and it would require too much concentration to manipulate the solar wind, I am forced to call upon my lightning" already this fight would go to Monica. If she has to concentrate to do anything going up against a speedster like Pulsar, Queen O can call it day.

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As for Storm being immune or not immune to the elements is irrelevant in this fight. I can hear Monica now quoting Miss Betsy Braddock aka Psylocke " You were beaten before you even started"! Minus the english accent, Rambeau 08!.(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/photonavi.gif).lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 18, 2008, 01:35:21 am
Yet Pulsar is composed of the same energy as stars and she's going to be on the battlefield with Storm instead of being (probably) billions of miles away.

I think all that needs to be said about this battle has been said, personally. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: wgreason on September 19, 2008, 04:32:41 am
What kinds of power stunts could Storm and Photon combine to accomplish at their regular power levels?

Could Photon duplicate Radioactive Man's power set?

Has Storm ever produced an earthquake, volcanic eruption, tsunami, or tidal wave?

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 19, 2008, 08:37:39 am
Folks.At average and upper middle power levels,Pulsar mops Storm all day in infinite pimptastic variations.Too fast and too varied and too powerful for Storm and nearly all of the capes in the MU is our girl Pulsar.But at maximal levels? ROGUESTORM,ladies and gents.Rutog produced the scans wherein Roguestorm is equated with ultimate power.Game.Set.Match.FOR THE WHOLE MU.Ororo is the mightiest thing in all creation when fully evolved.Full stop.

Btw...I witnessed the various highly respected HEF O.G.s debate the finer points of willpower regarding these awesome ladies.Ororo moonwalks on Pulsar and pretty much everyone not named Doc Strange here too.BP-Storm FF.Storm houses the consciousness of ETERNITY! To my knowledge,our fabulous and lovely Pulsar hasn't housed the equivalent of the sentient life force of a universe and retained it through sheer force of will.In fact,Doc Strange annointed Ororo as the only person besides himself that can perform that feat.Not Professor X.Not BP.Not Silver Surfer.Not Odin.Strange and STORM.That's it.Based on this,it's a wrap.

Tahdigga,I really would looovw to see scans of Pulsar doin the damn thing,though.Absorbing the Green lantern thing? Never saw it.Couldja scan it? And any other amazing feats of will would be appreciated.

I'd like to see a "versus" and a "team up" between these two ladies.Especially a team up.Let's squash the "beef",if there ever was any (which I tend to doubt,but gotta put the disclaimer and KRS ONE style STOP THE VIOLENCE thingy out there).
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 19, 2008, 12:05:22 pm
What kinds of power stunts could Storm and Photon combine to accomplish at their regular power levels?

Could Photon duplicate Radioactive Man's power set?

Has Storm ever produced an earthquake, volcanic eruption, tsunami, or tidal wave?



Storm has produced an earthquake before. I posted the scan. As far as tidal waves and tsumanis, tidal waves are produded by winds stress over the ocean and tsunamis by underwater earthquakes or massive landslides in the ocean. In this thread, there are numerous scans where Storm controls water beings, oceans etc.

There are a couple panels in canon as well that states that Storm can control every elemental force.

As far as what Storm and Photon can do to combine their powers, Photon can make Storm more powerful by bombarding her with different forms of EM energies. :D Ororo can use that power to grow stronger or even evolve. She's absorbed energy to accomplish this already in canon. ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 17, 2008, 06:32:25 pm
In X-Men: Worlds Apart, Storm is able to make the air in her assailants lungs bend to her every whim. Here, she forces the air out of their lungs! This opens the door to other things besides suffocation! Other things Storm has been able to do is pull lightning out of the air around her. Applying that to this, if she wanted to kill somebody she could pull lightning out of the air in people's lungs and fry them from the inside out. Ultimate Storm, who is much weaker, created a mini thunderstorm in Iceman's intestines.

BTW, issue 1 of this arc was VERY good. I recommend that it be picked up and the series be given a chance by every Storm fan or anything remotely interested in the character or the Black Panther since it is very obvious that the BP is going to have a major role here.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 17, 2008, 07:19:32 pm
I second that opinion.YOST is not dissin BP horrifically as others wildly fear he has (at least not in this mini so far).Besides the two points of contention I have (  #1: BP can handle The Avengers+all their foes,Doom,The Defenders+all their foes,The Skrulls,but CAN'T HANDLE SK using a faaar too obvious mind-control tactic? Not lovin it,unless there's a sicc twist in their at the end of the mini like JA had at the end of his mini aaand #2: the art was very surprisingly subpar in this ish.BP was depicted as quite unattractive,but Storm was gorgeous and Cyclops looked hard.Hmmmm....) this book is nice.Surprised at the $3.99 for the floppy tho...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: J.R. LeMar on October 17, 2008, 07:21:43 pm
Besides the two points of contention I have (  #1: BP can handle The Avengers+all their foes,Doom,The Defenders+all their foes,The Skrulls,but CAN'T HANDLE SK using a faaar too obvious mind-control tactic?

Seriously, SI, what do you want, for BP to beat everyone in 3 pages? If no one can ever touch BP, then that's going to be an extremely boring comic-book.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 18, 2008, 08:51:41 am
I agree. One of the things I don't like about this book is how BP seems to rarely make a mistake. Everything seems to go according to plan, even his massive f*ckups.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 18, 2008, 09:10:59 am
^^^Jenn,J.R.--Idk if you know this,but those comments echo EXACTLY about 50% of the criticism spit by the fanbratti at PRIEST back in the day.Obviously BP isn't gonna merk some awesome baddie in 3 pages,J.R.Lol.You and I both know this.But part of the fun IMHO lies not in IF he'll do it,but HOW he does it...and what are the consequences of his actions.Remember Batman v the JLA or whatever because of the mindwipe+Dr.Light incident? More to the point: remember PRIEST'S "ONCE AND FUTURE KING"? Doooope story,chock full of humor,action,and character insights.Remember THE CLIENT,and that scene where ROSS and BP were manacled to the floor of that rotting tenament and those ganxtas had them surrounded by automatic weapons and BP was basically like:"You got one more time to give up before I get tuh ackin a fool all around up in here...WITHOUT DMX's help"?

Yeah.SK should be thinking tha he's gettin his dominate on,while in reality BP is learning more info on SK's powers,plans,allies,etc. and then makes them all his beyotches with STORM doin major damage like using her control over bioelectricity to drain the bad guys' mutant gene or perhaps fry their mutant genes altogether,thereby temporarily (the former) or permanently (the latter) stripping their mutant power.She could do the same to their brains,hypothetically.

I'm sayin...let's see stuff like that waaayy more regularly from BOTH characters.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: J.R. LeMar on October 18, 2008, 09:17:57 am
I agree. One of the things I don't like about this book is how BP seems to rarely make a mistake. Everything seems to go according to plan, even his massive f*ckups.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Obviously, he has to WIN, it's his book. But there needs to be the appearance of the possibility that he might lose. Every adventure can't end with "Everything turned out just the way I planned it all along." Sometimes he gets caught off-guard, but manage to adapt & figure out a way to win. And sometimes he just gets lucky. I also don't have a problem with him being on the verge of losing, but getting saved by Storm. Like in the world tour issue, Doom would've probably killed BP (that's not a knock on BP, Doom isn't exactly a chump, like Man-Ape) but Storm saved him.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 18, 2008, 09:49:23 am
^^^Jenn,J.R.--Idk if you know this,but those comments echo EXACTLY about 50% of the criticism spit by the fanbratti at PRIEST back in the day.Obviously BP isn't gonna merk some awesome baddie in 3 pages,J.R.Lol.You and I both know this.But part of the fun IMHO lies not in IF he'll do it,but HOW he does it...and what are the consequences of his actions.Remember Batman v the JLA or whatever because of the mindwipe+Dr.Light incident? More to the point: remember PRIEST'S "ONCE AND FUTURE KING"? Doooope story,chock full of humor,action,and character insights.Remember THE CLIENT,and that scene where ROSS and BP were manacled to the floor of that rotting tenament and those ganxtas had them surrounded by automatic weapons and BP was basically like:"You got one more time to give up before I get tuh ackin a fool all around up in here...WITHOUT DMX's help"?

Yeah.SK should be thinking tha he's gettin his dominate on,while in reality BP is learning more info on SK's powers,plans,allies,etc. and then makes them all his beyotches with STORM doin major damage like using her control over bioelectricity to drain the bad guys' mutant gene or perhaps fry their mutant genes altogether,thereby temporarily (the former) or permanently (the latter) stripping their mutant power.She could do the same to their brains,hypothetically.

I'm sayin...let's see stuff like that waaayy more regularly from BOTH characters.

Technically, Batman can't and didn't beat the Justice LEague.  He has plans for dealing with them, but they're really not Batman beating JL in combat.   Even BPs plans for dealing with Galactus--using Wakandan airforce and Hulk--isn't really BP beating Galactus.  It's BP guiding Hulk and others to beat Galactus.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 18, 2008, 09:55:55 am
^^^Works for me.BP is also a massively talented, incredible to even the cape community, virtually unequalled leader.You know,because of that whole "King of Undefeated Warriors Supreme Nation of Ubertech,Ubermagic and uberspirituality" thing.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 18, 2008, 09:11:22 pm
I second that opinion.YOST is not dissin BP horrifically as others wildly fear he has (at least not in this mini so far).Besides the two points of contention I have (  #1: BP can handle The Avengers+all their foes,Doom,The Defenders+all their foes,The Skrulls,but CAN'T HANDLE SK using a faaar too obvious mind-control tactic? Not lovin it,unless there's a sicc twist in their at the end of the mini like JA had at the end of his mini aaand #2: the art was very surprisingly subpar in this ish.BP was depicted as quite unattractive,but Storm was gorgeous and Cyclops looked hard.Hmmmm....) this book is nice.Surprised at the $3.99 for the floppy tho...



I posted this on the other thread, but thought I would post it here. I am only saying this for food for thought. ;)

You would think that BP would have technology around that could weaken the SK. I mean, Forge once created a machine that could disrupt SK's wavelength. Its been so long since I read the story and I think the SK overcame it. However, remember the SK is a malevolent psionic entity that was born from the first nightmare. It is an immortal creature that is as old as life itself and will always survive as long as a dark thought exists. Trying to outsmart something like that would be very tough. Old as he is, he's had lots of practice overcoming things that would have been meant to stop him. This is what I would imagine.

Characters like Shadow King, Xavier and Phoenix can come at you many ways at once. For instance, in his first battle with the Shadow King, Xavier and he were equal in power, but the SK had far more skill and experience. He assaulted Xavier a thousand different ways at once and was still not serious about it. Phoenix of the 80s, assaulted Magneto on a myriad  levels simultaneously. Her power was stated to rival that of Xavier's in the story (of course, was much stronger than Xavier in stories before and after this issue, but she had to be written down for Magneto to look good). When Xavier and Dark Phoenix battled it out, that fight took place on every plane of reality at once. Of course, Xavier only won because Jean's humanity was restraining the Phoenix's powers. Xavier only won that first fight because the SK grew overconfident sensing that Xavier was a novice and left himself open to a psi blast from the prof that finished him off temporarily.

Shadow King's skill>Xavier's skill
Shadow King's experience> Xavier's experience
Shadow King's raw power = Xavier's raw power and at can even dwarf Xavier's.


I am not saying that BP and Wakanda cannot come up with technology that can defeat the SK, but if they could not do it, it is not a bad showing of the BP at all. ;)

Now, can you guys see why I laugh so hard when Magneto is billed as the X-Men's most powerful nemisis? lol!

There are several ways to beat the SK

1) The for sure way to beat the Shadow King (or any telepath) is to have a strength of spirit that is too strong for his (their) psi powers to defeat. Storm is a shining example of this.

2) Control over energy forces that naturally counter TP. Storm and Magneto have both demonstrated this. The electrical forces Storm controls can all out fry an invading psi who tries to enter her mind without her permission out of her mind (if she chooses to utilize this option). She has already done this to Bogan, a psionic entity that echoes the Shadow King. Bogan's psi powers were every bit a match for Xavier's plus he also had added to his psi Rachel who had a portion of the Phoenix Force in her. So with all of this psi power, he tried to assault Ororo's mind only have his own psyche fried and the feedback took him out of the fight. http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsbogan7kj.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormvsbogan20lj.jpg
Magneto, while not as dramatic as Storm, can reduce the strength of a telepath. He has, for instance, been able to manipulate magnetic fields to weaken Xavier's telepathic powers and flat out jam a non-Phoenix Jean Grey's telepathy. Magneto and the Shadow King once battled off-panel. Magneto managed to win, but it const him dearly. Magneto has a willpower that can stalemate Xavier's telepathic attacks plus his ability to reduce the strength of a psi. I would imagine that the Shadow King can possibly have trouble with Photon as well. If she were to transform into an energy form that can naturally counter telepathy she should be able to weaken the SK, and, if she can emit enough of that energy, she could probably render him powerless to hurt her. Of course, if he grabbed her psyche while she was in human form or in an energy form that does not inhibit TP, she's up the creek without the proverbial paddle. I have not seen Photon stop a telepath though. Storm has also weakened/jammed telepathy too.

3) Another thing is immunity.Current Psylocke is completely immune to telepathy and manipulation by people like Proteus thanks to her brother, Jim Jaspers. She could beat him too because of this. The first time she beat him, it was because he has expended all of his powers mind controlling the entire planet's population and left no power to defend himself against her sneak attack. It is canon that her telepathic powers cannot otherwise hurt the SK.

4) The other way to beat the SK is to be a superior telepath which is almost a ridiculous thing. I don't see anyone accomplishing that save a Phoenix-possessed Jean Grey and Xavier (some of the time).

5) You can try some VERY hard core psi-blocking technology, however, even characters like the White Queen have been able to overpower these or find a way around them through TP skill.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 19, 2008, 01:05:14 am
SK is nooooo joke! But I'm thinking that BP>>>>>Forge in the science and gadget department,so BP should have the Panther Psi Pimpslap+the Wayne Brady Choke A Bitch for SK already a part of his abbot and habitual defenses...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 19, 2008, 07:36:54 am
SK is nooooo joke! But I'm thinking that BP>>>>>Forge in the science and gadget department,so BP should have the Panther Psi Pimpslap+the Wayne Brady Choke A Bitch for SK already a part of his abbot and habitual defenses...

It would say Forge>>BP in the gadget and science department. BP had to take engineering courses, physics etc to learn how to do what he does. Forge's mutant abilities allow him to do things innately. He can see things around him as colors and know instinctively how things go together to make machines to do whatever he requires. BP is a technological genius, Forge is a mutant whose ability is for technology. That goes far beyond genius in my book. ;) Forge would never have to take engineering or physics or anything like that as he would know from the time his mutant power manifested instinctively the workings of machines even if he did not know the terminology.

That said, I think Wakanda should have psi-blocking technology, however, it should be explained that either during SI they were taken out (remember, the Skrulls and the Wakandans took out each other's power which would include the grid that would power the psi-blocking stuff) or maybe the SK, with his eons of experience and skill found a way around them or maybe he just showed some extraordinary power and punched right through the dampeners through sheer power.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 19, 2008, 07:42:18 am
^^^Jenn,J.R.--Idk if you know this,but those comments echo EXACTLY about 50% of the criticism spit by the fanbratti at PRIEST back in the day.Obviously BP isn't gonna merk some awesome baddie in 3 pages,J.R.Lol.You and I both know this.But part of the fun IMHO lies not in IF he'll do it,but HOW he does it...and what are the consequences of his actions.Remember Batman v the JLA or whatever because of the mindwipe+Dr.Light incident? More to the point: remember PRIEST'S "ONCE AND FUTURE KING"? Doooope story,chock full of humor,action,and character insights.Remember THE CLIENT,and that scene where ROSS and BP were manacled to the floor of that rotting tenament and those ganxtas had them surrounded by automatic weapons and BP was basically like:"You got one more time to give up before I get tuh ackin a fool all around up in here...WITHOUT DMX's help"?

Yeah.SK should be thinking tha he's gettin his dominate on,while in reality BP is learning more info on SK's powers,plans,allies,etc. and then makes them all his beyotches with STORM doin major damage like using her control over bioelectricity to drain the bad guys' mutant gene or perhaps fry their mutant genes altogether,thereby temporarily (the former) or permanently (the latter) stripping their mutant power.She could do the same to their brains,hypothetically.

I'm sayin...let's see stuff like that waaayy more regularly from BOTH characters.

I am totally with you here!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 19, 2008, 09:52:37 am
Yo,Rutog,I really see what you're saying about Forge's ability.However,consider this: Africans created the mathematical sciences in the first place through sheer intellectual prowess and elevated them to a point that--many thousands of years after the passing of their most magnificent civilization has been gone from this world for thousands of years--the rest of the planet is still enthralled by their achievements.based upon RH's interpretation of Wakanda,I would posit that Wakanda is the fictional recipient of the pinnacle achievements of Africa civilization and continued to grow and achieve and excel without once being checked by outside forces of any kind.PRIEST established that BP's hypersenses allow him to see emotions and sounds as colors and aromas or some such.In PANTHER'S PREY,MacGregor established that BP's genius intellect is merged with a refined feline intuition that allows him to make leaps of inspiration,logic and intuition that is beyond the grasp of "mere" human intellect alone and unaided.Soooo...yeah....I guess u guys ARE right.Uber intellect IS hars to measure. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: J.R. LeMar on October 19, 2008, 10:10:08 am
PRIEST established that BP's hypersenses allow him to see emotions and sounds as colors and aromas or some such.

Say WHAT now?

In PANTHER'S PREY,MacGregor established that BP's genius intellect is merged with a refined feline intuition that allows him to make leaps of inspiration,logic and intuition that is beyond the grasp of "mere" human intellect alone and unaided.

Huh?!?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 19, 2008, 11:29:25 am
Yo,Rutog,I really see what you're saying about Forge's ability.However,consider this: Africans created the mathematical sciences in the first place through sheer intellectual prowess and elevated them to a point that--many thousands of years after the passing of their most magnificent civilization has been gone from this world for thousands of years--the rest of the planet is still enthralled by their achievements.based upon RH's interpretation of Wakanda,I would posit that Wakanda is the fictional recipient of the pinnacle achievements of Africa civilization and continued to grow and achieve and excel without once being checked by outside forces of any kind.PRIEST established that BP's hypersenses allow him to see emotions and sounds as colors and aromas or some such.In PANTHER'S PREY,MacGregor established that BP's genius intellect is merged with a refined feline intuition that allows him to make leaps of inspiration,logic and intuition that is beyond the grasp of "mere" human intellect alone and unaided.Soooo...yeah....I guess u guys ARE right.Uber intellect IS hars to measure. 

BP is brilliant, no doubt.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 19, 2008, 11:36:21 am
Another scan from the "Twelve" story arc which shows Storm's some of Storm's potential future evolutions:

http://www.resca.com.ar/santcum/issues/history/x98.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 25, 2008, 12:39:18 am
Another scan from the "Twelve" story arc which shows Storm's some of Storm's potential future evolutions:

[url]http://www.resca.com.ar/santcum/issues/history/x98.jpg[/url]


Is STORM pure energy in that scan,dawg? Aaaaand...I always wanted to ask...what the hell is a "Rutog"? Is that a combination of your real name or something?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 25, 2008, 08:30:43 am
Another scan from the "Twelve" story arc which shows Storm's some of Storm's potential future evolutions:

[url]http://www.resca.com.ar/santcum/issues/history/x98.jpg[/url]


Is STORM pure energy in that scan,dawg? Aaaaand...I always wanted to ask...what the hell is a "Rutog"? Is that a combination of your real name or something?


Rutog is a large county in the west in Tibet, as far as I know. I just think it sounds cool. lol

She evolved into an elemental being in that scan. Its actually the latest in a series of evolutions for the character in the future. She keeps evolving and shedding one form for another. The earlier forms are never shown, its just stated that this is her latest form in a series.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 25, 2008, 11:56:41 am
How many versions of Storm's future have we seen?

1) The one above
2)  The version in limbo that lost her powers (iirc) and focused on her magical heritage.
3)  The version from X-men: the End, where she was incapcitated and merged with the phoenix.
4) She died at the hands of a Sentinal in Days of Future Past.
5) she got older in BP annual.

what else?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on October 26, 2008, 01:24:05 am

Tahdigga,I really would looovw to see scans of Pulsar doin the damn thing,though.Absorbing the Green lantern thing? Never saw it.Couldja scan it? And any other amazing feats of will would be appreciated.

I'd like to see a "versus" and a "team up" between these two ladies.Especially a team up.Let's squash the "beef",if there ever was any (which I tend to doubt,but gotta put the disclaimer and KRS ONE style STOP THE VIOLENCE thingy out there).

I will as soon as I get my scanner working again. I think I need a new one. So look for those scans SI. As for verses, it wouldn't even be a fight, one speed blitz from Pulsar and it's over. I also would like to see a team up with the two. Monica already teamed with BP, now it's only fair for her to bless Storm with her presences..lol ;)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 26, 2008, 10:36:41 am

Tahdigga,I really would looovw to see scans of Pulsar doin the damn thing,though.Absorbing the Green lantern thing? Never saw it.Couldja scan it? And any other amazing feats of will would be appreciated.

I'd like to see a "versus" and a "team up" between these two ladies.Especially a team up.Let's squash the "beef",if there ever was any (which I tend to doubt,but gotta put the disclaimer and KRS ONE style STOP THE VIOLENCE thingy out there).

I will as soon as I get my scanner working again. I think I need a new one. So look for those scans SI. As for verses, it wouldn't even be a fight, one speed blitz from Pulsar and it's over. I also would like to see a team up with the two. Monica already teamed with BP, now it's only fair for her to bless Storm with her presences..lol ;)

You mean for her to be blessed to be in the presence of Ororo. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 26, 2008, 10:42:38 am
How many versions of Storm's future have we seen?

1) The one above
2)  The version in limbo that lost her powers (iirc) and focused on her magical heritage.
3)  The version from X-men: the End, where she was incapcitated and merged with the phoenix.
4) She died at the hands of a Sentinal in Days of Future Past.
5) she got older in BP annual.

what else?

Yes, those were alternate reality Storms. I like what was stated in X-Men forever. Just because a select few mutants may have the ability to evolve and/or achieve unlimited power does not mean that they will work towards that to access it. Of course, sometimes circumstances can come up where that accelerates the mutant in their evolution process.

However, what I like about OUR Storm is that its already established that she will transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess one day. That was stated circa X-Treme issue 5. I have the scan in this thread. Also, the 12 story arc happened in this reality with our Ororo. Then you have a ton of other stuff with Ororo like her having the strength of spirit to host the essense of Eternity (which, considering her power is limited to the strength of her will and body, speaks volume. Consider a character like this with a will like that who can potential evolve beyond the limits of flesh and blood. Heck, look what she has done while she was in flesh and blood. She's already displayed cosmic power several times in flesh and blood form!), the galactic core, Roguestorm, her battle with the Trion, etc.

In regards to the BP annual, maybe Storm gets older and then on her physical death, she becomes reincarnated by the life force of the universe and comes back as a universal elemental goddess. I mean, we don't know how or when the evolution will take place. :D Of course, we could have her put in a dire situation where her emotions are kicked into high gear which forces the evolution ahead of schedule and then she has to deal with the enormous power before she's scheduled to. I think she could handle it better than Jean Grey handling the Phoenix Force's powers as Storm's will is greater than Jean's.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BBeeryan on October 26, 2008, 04:36:49 pm
How many versions of Storm's future have we seen?

1) The one above
2)  The version in limbo that lost her powers (iirc) and focused on her magical heritage.
3)  The version from X-men: the End, where she was incapcitated and merged with the phoenix.
4) She died at the hands of a Sentinal in Days of Future Past.
5) she got older in BP annual.

what else?

Yes, those were alternate reality Storms. I like what was stated in X-Men forever. Just because a select few mutants may have the ability to evolve and/or achieve unlimited power does not mean that they will work towards that to access it. Of course, sometimes circumstances can come up where that accelerates the mutant in their evolution process.

However, what I like about OUR Storm is that its already established that she will transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess one day. That was stated circa X-Treme issue 5. I have the scan in this thread. Also, the 12 story arc happened in this reality with our Ororo. Then you have a ton of other stuff with Ororo like her having the strength of spirit to host the essense of Eternity (which, considering her power is limited to the strength of her will and body, speaks volume. Consider a character like this with a will like that who can potential evolve beyond the limits of flesh and blood. Heck, look what she has done while she was in flesh and blood. She's already displayed cosmic power several times in flesh and blood form!), the galactic core, Roguestorm, her battle with the Trion, etc.

In regards to the BP annual, maybe Storm gets older and then on her physical death, she becomes reincarnated by the life force of the universe and comes back as a universal elemental goddess. I mean, we don't know how or when the evolution will take place. :D Of course, we could have her put in a dire situation where her emotions are kicked into high gear which forces the evolution ahead of schedule and then she has to deal with the enormous power before she's scheduled to. I think she could handle it better than Jean Grey handling the Phoenix Force's powers as Storm's will is greater than Jean's.

That's one thing I always said Rutog. The Phoenix force wouldn't have been able to take over Ororo as it did Jean. So we agree again. Queen Ororo gives peace to all her subjects & followers! ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 27, 2008, 03:49:16 pm
I've been trying to post a reply in a Storm thread on the ComicBookResources boards. I have not posted overthere in ages and I rarely post anywhere save here nowadays. It would not allow me to post anything. I was able to sign in, click "quote" to a post and type a reply, but it would not send my reply. Anyone else having any problems with this? I tried over and over and I can't believe there are some people trying to put Crystal on a par with Ororo. I just wanted to straighten that out. However, the poster, Yogaflame, seems to be doing a very good job of it himself overthere. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 27, 2008, 04:16:43 pm
I've been trying to post a reply in a Storm thread on the SuperHeroHype boards. I have not posted overthere in ages and I rarely post anywhere save here nowadays. It would not allow me to post anything. I was able to sign in, click "quote" to a post and type a reply, but it would not send my reply. Anyone else having any problems with this? I tried over and over and I can't believe there are some people trying to put Crystal on a par with Ororo. I just wanted to straighten that out. However, the poster, Yogaflame, seems to be doing a very good job of it himself overthere. 

Haven't tried that board.  But try a new account with a new version of your name, to see if they have you blocked for some reason.

Crystal=Storm?  Sure, when, Storm and Crystal were both six years old.  Not unless, she's gotten a power boost to the Nth degree. 

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 27, 2008, 04:36:44 pm
I meant ComicBookResources. I tried your suggestion and it still will not let me post. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 27, 2008, 04:41:12 pm
I meant ComicBookResources. I tried your suggestion and it still will not let me post. Hmmm...

if you have access from another computer location (school library), try another new account.  if it works, they may have a block on your IP address.  I'm on my motoq right now, so I can't test it from mine.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 27, 2008, 04:47:52 pm
I don't know why they would have blocked it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 27, 2008, 04:53:19 pm
I don't know why they would have blocked it.

Some sites have a rep for being quick to block people who disagree or maybe it was because you haven't been back in while or maybe the system is having hiccup tonight and it will work tmr.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 10, 2008, 12:55:16 pm
Something else to read:

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tarot11qo0.jpg

 ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 25, 2008, 07:40:49 pm
Somebody did a VERY nice summary of X-Men: Worlds Apart issue 2.

If you have not read the issue yet and don't want to spoil it, STOP NOW! The issue is awesome! Here it is:


After the preview pages, Storm tries to knock some sense in T'Challa, calling the Bright Lady to help him fight SK's influence, calling on T'Challa's strength of spirit and the power of their love, but to no avail. Poor Nezhno is terribly conflicted as a loyal Wakandan to fight against his King and His forces, so he begs for Queen Ororo to be spared, that he is the murderer. T'Challa orders him killed. The vibranium tatoos spare him at first from a shower of rifle fire, but then a soldier moves in with a barrel at point-blank range....when Ororo instantly freezes the gun by dropping its internal temperature 200 degree supercold, frostbiting the hands of the soldier and rendering the gun useless. She knocks back everyone with a downdraft and grabs Nezhno and they are outta there. T'Challa reinstates the Dore Maleja to their 'wives-in-waiting' status and sics them on the fugitives, which they lovingly obey.

When Storm gets Nezhno and herself to the relative safety of the forest, Nezhno is upset about their outlaw status and Storm concentrates. Asking what she's doing, she explains to him "saving the X-Men from Cyclops who thinks he must kill the X-Men thanks to SK's evil influence". To do so, she zones into the atmosphere of North America, feeling the Blackbird cutting through the air. Ah, there it is...a mega storm swirls hurricane-like and BOOM, a megalightning bolt(perhaps 20' in width) obliterates the Blackbird instantly(mind you, she is doing this from equatorial Africa!)!

Back in the captial city, the old man(*I forget his name right now, but he's the advisor we met last iss) is concerned over T'Challa's recent change of heart and extreme actions, and for a moment T'Challa lapses from SK's influence(owing to Storm's attack on Cyclops), but it is quickly restored.

Back in the jungle, Nezhno is appalled by Storm's aparrent killing of Cyclops, but she assures him that Scott Summers would find away to survive, so she's really only buying them some time to save the X-Men and Wakanda. As she explains more about the Shadow Kind and his abililty to pull the worst out of people, she senses a disturbance in the air, the Dora Malije are upon them!

With fierce determination borne of jealousy and malice(T'Challa forsook them to be with Ororo), they attack the mutants, one cracking Nexhno over the head with a bo stick while the other fires a handgun at Ororo. A tight sequence of Ororo's hand-to-hand prowess ensues, as she disarms the one Dora while trying to explain how T'Challa has been possessed, but to no avail. The girls are playing for keeps and Storm switches from ambassador to asskicker, but these girls are good: faster and younger, and maybe even better fighters. Ororo starts taking some damage from the twosome when Nezhno finally powers up and gives her some breathing room enough to end the fight.

Nezhno is of course striken by his actions(to strike the Dora is to strike the King himself in Wakanda), so while Ororo is consoling him, thanking him for saving her life, she lets her guard down. And then Nezhno shreiks out, his spine ravaged by the golden-vibranium glinting claws of none other than the Black Panther himself!

While Ororo was willing to risk Cyclops' life, her husband and soulmate is another story. And this is why Shadow King as already won....
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 26, 2008, 05:18:03 am
How many versions of Storm's future have we seen?

1) The one above
2)  The version in limbo that lost her powers (iirc) and focused on her magical heritage.
3)  The version from X-men: the End, where she was incapcitated and merged with the phoenix.
4) She died at the hands of a Sentinal in Days of Future Past.
5) she got older in BP annual.

what else?

Yes, those were alternate reality Storms. I like what was stated in X-Men forever. Just because a select few mutants may have the ability to evolve and/or achieve unlimited power does not mean that they will work towards that to access it. Of course, sometimes circumstances can come up where that accelerates the mutant in their evolution process.

However, what I like about OUR Storm is that its already established that she will transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess one day. That was stated circa X-Treme issue 5. I have the scan in this thread. Also, the 12 story arc happened in this reality with our Ororo. Then you have a ton of other stuff with Ororo like her having the strength of spirit to host the essense of Eternity (which, considering her power is limited to the strength of her will and body, speaks volume. Consider a character like this with a will like that who can potential evolve beyond the limits of flesh and blood. Heck, look what she has done while she was in flesh and blood. She's already displayed cosmic power several times in flesh and blood form!), the galactic core, Roguestorm, her battle with the Trion, etc.

In regards to the BP annual, maybe Storm gets older and then on her physical death, she becomes reincarnated by the life force of the universe and comes back as a universal elemental goddess. I mean, we don't know how or when the evolution will take place. :D Of course, we could have her put in a dire situation where her emotions are kicked into high gear which forces the evolution ahead of schedule and then she has to deal with the enormous power before she's scheduled to. I think she could handle it better than Jean Grey handling the Phoenix Force's powers as Storm's will is greater than Jean's.

That's one thing I always said Rutog. The Phoenix force wouldn't have been able to take over Ororo as it did Jean. So we agree again. Queen Ororo gives peace to all her subjects & followers! ;D

When did Phoenix take over Jean?  Originally, Phoneix was Jean; not a cosmic entity, then a cosmic force merged with Jean, then they made it that Jean never was that Phoenix/Dark Phoenix being.  The body and personality was a clone and the spirit was all cosmic entity.  When Rachel merged with Phoenix, she controlled the entity always and when Jean finally merged, I don't recall her losing control to Phoenix.

But in the original storyline, her will power or force of personality impressed the Watcher.  Remember in original Dark Phoenix saga, the Watcher said she was 2nd most powerful being there was; only Creator/God was more powerful.  That would mean not even Eternity was as powerful as that DP and still, Jean managed to stop DP thru her will/force of personality.  Of course, now that wasn't the real Jean and the full-power of Phoenix has been downgraded to just another cosmic entity.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 26, 2008, 07:37:53 am
Originally, it was a possession. I never saw it as otherwise. I think I even read this in an interview with Claremont, Simonson (I think), Shooter and Byrne.

Storm's power/potential was compared to that of the Phoenix's back when it was second only to the Creator. Just wanted to put that in.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 26, 2008, 10:25:18 am
Originally, it was a possession. I never saw it as otherwise. I think I even read this in an interview with Claremont, Simonson (I think), Shooter and Byrne.

Storm's power/potential was compared to that of the Phoenix's back when it was second only to the Creator. Just wanted to put that in.

I don't know if you were reading thosose issues as they came out, but we had no idea about the Phoneix Force entity.  The original DP storyline happened because Byrne didn't like all-powerful Jean.  They intended for the Shi'ar to strip Jean of her powers, so that would leave the threat of DP as a potential threat.  But Shooter nixed that idea and Jean had to die, because she commited genocide.   If she was possessed at that time, then they wouldnt have killed her.

When they wanted to bring her back, they needed an excuse, because if Jean committed genocide, she'd stay dead, per Shooter.  So Kurt Busiek introduced the idea of Phoneix Force and all the blame was shifted.  (and then this idea was stolen by DC for Hal Jordon and Parrallax.)

Check out Wikipedia entry for Jean Grey. 

(of course, If Watcher's statement in a comic that Jean was 2nd most powerful has been recont, then how reliable is an interview from a magazine?)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 26, 2008, 01:33:17 pm
Originally, it was a possession. I never saw it as otherwise. I think I even read this in an interview with Claremont, Simonson (I think), Shooter and Byrne.

Storm's power/potential was compared to that of the Phoenix's back when it was second only to the Creator. Just wanted to put that in.

I don't know if you were reading thosose issues as they came out, but we had no idea about the Phoneix Force entity.  The original DP storyline happened because Byrne didn't like all-powerful Jean.  They intended for the Shi'ar to strip Jean of her powers, so that would leave the threat of DP as a potential threat.  But Shooter nixed that idea and Jean had to die, because she commited genocide.   If she was possessed at that time, then they wouldnt have killed her.

When they wanted to bring her back, they needed an excuse, because if Jean committed genocide, she'd stay dead, per Shooter.  So Kurt Busiek introduced the idea of Phoneix Force and all the blame was shifted.  (and then this idea was stolen by DC for Hal Jordon and Parrallax.)

Check out Wikipedia entry for Jean Grey. 

(of course, If Watcher's statement in a comic that Jean was 2nd most powerful has been recont, then how reliable is an interview from a magazine?)

The interview I was referring to was not a magazine, but  the issue that the writer had intended to write where Jean was lobotomized. Also, the retcon does not do anything to devalue the interview. She/it was that powerful at one time and just has been weakened since, maybe. Phoenix may have been weakened since then, but we do know that at one time she was second only to the Creator in power.

That said, Eternity is more powerful than the other abstracts like Galactus, Stranger, Love, Hate, etc. Only the Living Tribunal and Phoenix Force have been more powerful than he, if I remember correctly.

I did not read those issues as they came out. However, when I did read them in the mid 90s, I thought that it was a possession.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on November 28, 2008, 12:32:26 pm
you guys know waaaaaaaay too much info on Jean and the phoenix.
man, i hope you guys win jeopardy for it in the future.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 29, 2008, 12:01:53 pm
^^^^LOLOLOL.Fo rill doe."WHO'S DA MASTR?"
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 29, 2008, 12:14:51 pm
^^^^LOLOLOL.Fo rill doe."WHO'S DA MASTR?"


'Who's DA MASTR?'  Why Mr. Leroy Green;  (sho enuff he is.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Mastrmynd on November 30, 2008, 07:22:31 pm
hahahah... i'm just sayin'... 8)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 07, 2008, 02:13:38 am
Storm controls the air in people's lungs:

(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6876/xmenwa001016en2.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenwa001016en2.jpg)(http://img240.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 29, 2008, 09:33:08 am
Storm is able to manipulate the air pressure in people's inner ear! (Preview of X-Men: Worlds Apart issue 3) :

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1765&pg=6
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 30, 2008, 08:16:03 pm
Storm is sooooooooo tite!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 04, 2009, 07:25:28 am
In the thread on the Blue Marvel, Kevin G. said something to me that I think explains why Rutog and I disagree on how powerful she is.  He speaks of the ideal, I speak of how she (I see) her being generally written.  Now, I think we are both right.   

Kevin G. pointed out how Superman is as fast as the Flash.  Noone should be able to hit him.  But many do.  Or even the Flash, he can disarm an army in blink of an eye, yet his main rogue's gallery are mostly normal men with special weapons.  Or take Cap and Black Panther.  They are the two best fighters on earth, yet if you look at their past, they have been beaten, knocked out and captured so many times, we couldn't count it on four hands.  Silver Surfer likewise is so powerful, he could probably beat every Marvel hero except maybe Thor, Sentry and Blue Marvel with a snap of his fingers, but everyone beats him.

Some would say these powerful/top characters are written "down" because the idea makes for bad monthly storytelling.  I don't know if I think it is really writting the character "down" or just a comic book convention.    But in any case, Storm is following the suit of others in her class. 

(That said, I think the only thing that holds Storm back is her human body, if she ever abandoned that...)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 04, 2009, 01:56:00 pm
^^^^Ohhh that's an INTERESTING take!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Catch22 on January 06, 2009, 08:40:46 am
The fluidity of comics as a medium sometimes make things done in "canon" obsolete/null.  Superman moves an entire planet, then comes back to Earth and gets his ass handed to him by the Toyman.  Batman single handedly takes out a group of White Martians, he promptly gets his butt kicked by a guy dressed like a clown.  Bullseye trips the Juggernaut.  Red Hulk survives the bitter cold of outer space, but gets taken out by self-inflicted heat stroke.  Even though it's been established that a character can do certain feats, it's up to the discretion of the writers and the editorial staff on whether or not those feats remain part of their arsenal. 

It does make for more compelling stories if you think the character is in some danger (honestly...most comic characters aren't really gonna be killed), but if Storm or any other character ALWAYS were written to what's canon, then that interest is gone.  Think about the last Indiana Jones movie....the guy survives a nuclear detonation that destroys a town and we're supposed to think a German woman with a sword poses a threat to him?  No need for bomb shelters...get a family sized lead-lined Frigidaire and we'll be alright!   ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 23, 2009, 07:53:12 am
In Worlds Apart #4, Storm flies from Africa to the X-Men half a world away in New York in no time flat with her winds!:

http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=2
http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=3
http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=4
http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=5
http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=6
http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=7
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on January 24, 2009, 03:20:37 pm
In Worlds Apart #4, Storm flies from Africa to the X-Men half a world away in New York in no time flat with her winds!:

[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=2[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=3[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=4[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=5[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=6[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=7[/url]


My LCS is going to have my issue on hold 4 me next week.

I guess this will be the rematch some fanboys/girls want, seeing that Storm beat Cyclops before in Uncanny X-Men 201, for leadership of the X-men. Just on powers alone, I think Storm would beat Cyclops. She has a much broader range to attack and a variety of ways to take him down.
 
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5302/600377-x_men_201_12_super.jpg)


I can't wait to read it!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Marvelous on January 24, 2009, 03:27:41 pm
In Worlds Apart #4, Storm flies from Africa to the X-Men half a world away in New York in no time flat with her winds!:

[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=2[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=3[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=4[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=5[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=6[/url]
[url]http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=1936&pg=7[/url]


My LCS is going to have my issue on hold 4 me next week.

I guess this will be the rematch some fanboys/girls want, seeing that Storm beat Cyclops before in Uncanny X-Men 201, for leadership of the X-men. Just on powers alone, I think Storm would beat Cyclops. She has a much broader range to attack and a variety of ways to take him down.
 
([url]http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5302/600377-x_men_201_12_super.jpg[/url])


I can't wait to read it!


woot first appearance of baby cable and rick leoardi art if im not mistaken,  i like old school rick
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on May 07, 2009, 03:43:22 pm
I'm baaaack and not a moment too soon! It's time to get this thread back on page 1 where it belongs! :D

Here is a post from another board that I liked a lot:

I've been thinking, Storm got some great upgrades in this mini.

 

For instance, she froze the internal structure of a gun before it could even fire.

 
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenworldsapart011cl6.jpg


 

This shows speed of powera and the fact that Storm seems to longer need a kalabactic blizzard or atmospheric moisture present when freezing things. She just freezes them by slowing down their molecular. I wonder if she could to the same thing to the internal structure of the body, similar to Iceman?

 

 

Another instance is her range and the accuracy of her powers seems to be much wider and more precise. She is able to pinpoint certain objects such as the Black bird flying through the air discriminating against billions and billons of stimuli and create a storm to strike it down.

 

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenworldsapart014px3.jpg

 

Her range is certainly global, now.

 

 

Also, it was shown that she can manipulate the air of internal body structures like the lungs and inner ears. It should be nothing for her to be able to do this to the GI tract or manipulate the electrochemical potential differences of Nuerons in the nervous system. Her atmokinesis seems to be that percise.

 

 

Finally, she can ceate winds of unimaginable and unnatural intensity. Im positive her winds are strong enough to level mountains. She pushed a planed past the upper atmosphere all the way a world away in mere minutes. This means her winds can move at thousands of mph, That is as fast as winds on jovian planets.

end of quote...

I agree with everything save this stuff being upgrades. She has always been global and she has pushed the envelop with wind force far beyond any hurricane or tornado in numerous instances in the past. However, with the pinpoint accuracy thing demonstrated with she blasted the blackbird out of the air while being half a planet away is something awesome. I think this really just reinforces a lot of the canon that came before that puts the character as one of the top tier in all comicdom!



Also, she should be able to do anything Iceman can do. I've seen Iceman literally kill people by robbing their bodies of all of its moisture. We know she can manipulate the air in people's lungs. Therefore, there is no reason why she should not be able to manipulate their internal temperature and moisture in the body. She controls heat and moisture with a bunch of other things. Magneto and Polaris can magnetically manipulate the iron in people's blood. Iceman can rob people's bodies of moisture. Telekinetics like Jean Grey and Exodus can break blood vessels, crush bones and organs in people internally. We have seen Storm manipulate pressure in people's bodies (she did it to the Shadow King-possessed Black Panther), air in people's lungs, internal temperature in objects like that gun. She's really much scarier than Magneto, Polaris or Iceman since her powers really encompasses what they have and more. She should be able to manipulate electrical impulses, moisture, air, pressure, heat/temperature, magnetic and electrical fields etc. inside of people's bodies.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on May 07, 2009, 06:08:58 pm
Rutog


You are my Storm hero :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 11, 2009, 08:28:14 pm
A fellow Storm fan found this and posted this on another forum:

Quote from: Yogaflame;9167741
[url]http://www.wsi.com/corporate/newsroom/newsletter/md2/CloudWeight.html[/url] ([url]http://www.wsi.com/corporate/newsroom/newsletter/md2/CloudWeight.html[/url])

Check this out. According to the math on this link, a hurricane the size of Missouri would weight about 220,000,000 tons(the water at least)! That means when Storm is manipulating large weather systems(and we all know she can make stuff much bigger than a state) she is effectively lifting/psionically moving more weight than most of the strongest people on Earth could dream of.



Now consider that Storm has controlled hemisphere-spanning hurricanes and you are really talking SCARY!
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7928/hemisphereui6.th.jpg) (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hemisphereui6.jpg)(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5325/hemisphere2kd4.th.jpg) (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hemisphere2kd4.jpg)


When Ann Nocenti said of Storm, "At her command, seas part," she was not kidding! How awesome would it be to see Storm part an ocean using her control over moisture?!

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 12, 2009, 08:04:26 pm
Guys,

I have been asked on numerous occassions by fellow Storm fans about Storm vs. Magneto. I have had my share of "Storm vs. Magneto" debates in the past.

This is to the invisible posters who visit this boards and find yourselves in a "Storm vs. Magneto" debate, one scan Storm detractors like to use is this one (this is actually the scan I have been asked about and has prompted me to write out my response here. This is the rebuttle I used in the past anytime the scan came up.) :


http://img86.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto32dx.jpg/
http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/3...agneto40hw.jpg

Actually, they like to leave out the first picture and use only the second scan. This is a very easy thing to beat. I have had Storm fans e-mail me on this, so I am going to post this here for all to see. People like to use this scan to prove that Magneto has greater control over electricity than Storm. The first thing to discredit is the fact that Storm cannot be caught by surprise with a lightning bolt. Then mention that Magneto's primary power is magnetism and his control over related forces is limited. Storm also has much more impressive feats with electricity than Magneto.

To begin with, if you read the first scan, the issue states in plain english that the only reason the lightning was able to harm Storm was because it caught her by surprise. Secondly, it was established in the Proteus series that if Storm is gravely injured, her control over the elements suffers. So in the scan above, she was gravely injured before she attempted to wrest control of the lightning from Magneto. Also, notice that Magneto needed Storm's body to filter the lightning before he could absorb it safely. :D The thing to discredit here is Magneto being able to catch her by surprise. He warped the EM fields above Ororo which attracted a lightning bolt from the sky, filtered it through her and into him.

Here is something from Uncanny 118:

http://img471.imageshack.us/i/earthquakesj9.jpg/

This scan clearly states that she can detect all natural occurances before they happen. This is one strike against Magneto being able to catch her by surprise with the lightning. However, one thing I would like to note here is she should have felt Moses Magmum pulling this as he was releasing energy into the earth itself. She can sense movement in the atmosphere as well as in the ocean. She has been able to track Vendicator down by sensing the energy he left in the air upon his passing. She should have been able to sense the energy being emitted into the earth by magmum which triggered the quake.

Tracking Vendicator:
http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?...m121pg031nv.jpg

Feeling movement in water:

http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?...current21af.jpg


Another scan where Storm can sense the EM fields:


http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2246/blackpanther30dcp0031i.jpg

So Storm should have felt Magneto warping the EM fields to attract the lightning from the sky and she should have felt the bolt before it struck.

If one tries to counter that she was caught by surprise because she was talking to Magneto instead of paying attention, counter with this:

In Uncanny 185, Storm allows Rogue to borrow her powers which, of course, knocks Storm out. She was able to "feel" the lightning strike when she obviously was not in any shape or anything to be paying attention to it as she was recovering from Rogue's vampiric touch:

http://img69.imageshack.us/i/feelinglightningdy3.jpg/

Also, it is canon that Storm cannot be directly harmed by the weather's manifestations:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5216/thurtherkf7.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4...urther2of4.jpg

The reason she was affected here was because her bond with the Earth was fractured due to an extended stay in space. It took her time to readjust to the planet's ecosystem. Her immunity to the elements seem to be dependent on her bond with whichever world or environment she's in/on. Also, since this issue, Storm has been able to get attuned to new environments in a much shorter time.

For more info about the immunity thing, go to page 10, post 4.

If they bring up Magneto's force-field, Storm has displayed winds strong enough to tax his power.

http://img86.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto1vm.jpg/
http://img163.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto26nv.jpg/

Notice, he had his force-field on in this scan when she threw the tornado and then its down. I believe she broke through his force-field. If people disagree, point out the fact that he states that its a terrible strain on his powers to resist her winds. Be sure to acknowledge that his force-fields are an expression/exertion of his power. Therefore anything that can strain his power like that can strain or even break his force-field.


Imagine if she pulled the tornado stunt while protecting herself with one of these:
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome14ac.jpg/
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome21bz.jpg/
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome21bz.jpg/

This would have deflected the Colossus projectile. :D

If they bring up the fact that Magneto was able to absorb Ororo's lightning, remember she hurled at him lightning from her hands. Her body can filter the lightning to make it less deadly. Hence, she was able to channel lightning from the sky into Lorna in Giant-Size issue 1 without hurting her by first taking the lightning into her body. She has complete control over this, because later she beats Lorna in a one-on-one with a huge bolt from her body. She obviously did not take such care to make it safe for Ms. Dane. Magneto, being more powerful than Lorna, would likely take a bolt strong enough to kill him to stop him.

There you have it!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 17, 2009, 04:24:25 pm
Here is something another posted said of Storm's power on another thread: (This guy is a scientist.)

I think she is limited to what the atmosphere of the planet allows her to do, not really nature. I think she can create Jovian pressure field because the law of science allows her to do so. I also think she could create even greater things because she understands "natural phenomenons" like no scientist could understand them(hurricanes, tornado formation, ligthning).

To make it short, I think she can do whatever she want to do when the pattern make it possible to happen. (I hope this make sense, i'm french so I sometime transalte french literraly into english an it makes no sense, exept for me ahah)

I don't think she use her power beyond the "natural limit" she just use them in a way that can't be reproducted naturally because of the complexity of all the element involved. Rare natural phenomenon doens't happen so much only because the chance of them happening is not big and all the mecanics behind them is sooo complex that it takes a lot modifications in the field they're created into to happen.
What seems chaotic for a scientist would seem logic and well organized fo Storm because she knows exactly what is affected by what and all the possibilities a change could offer.
The range "in which" she can use her power (weather/bio spehere phenomenon) is sooo vast that the differents ways she can use this single power (manipulating/altering the atmosphere) make it almost limitless.
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This would also explain how she can create winds strong enough to lift sky scrapers, level mountains, fly from Austrailia to Antarctica in a matter of minutes and a whole host of other feats she has accomplished. I would also like to add that her ability to move the elements at the atomic and subatomic level also brings a whole other dimension to this. I would posit that she could potentially move something like the wind at just about any speed she wants. With her control over the atmosphere, she could remove the atmospheric forces that would impede wind velocity thus creating massive demands motivating the wind to move and add to that her own will to literally push the air molecules and atoms adding to the momentum.

Let me see if I can state this more clearly: She can control the forces that governs/patterns the weather. This includes forces like heat and pressure gradiants, forces that create wind. She can also move the air on a molecular and atomic level through sheer will as we see here: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1995/scan0010wi4.jpg

Her powers are really limited to the force of her will and body. There is no real natural limit to her power as if she were to combine these two ways to manipulate air and wind, there is no reason why she could not achieve escape velocity wind, etc. This may be why she has been able to pull some of the wind stunts she has in the past such as the ones listed above as well as others like creating an electrically charged wind-tunnel to redirect the full power of a character who had enough power to "split the Earth like a ripe melon." Which her control over the forces that govern the weather, she could redistribute the planet's resources to generate the fastest possible wind (or any elemental effect she wants, not just wind, I am just using wind here as an example) which would totally eclipse any hurricane or tornado by far for the reasons the scientist stated above. However, she can go even further. She can then add to the momentum by pushing the air molecules and atoms themselves with the force of her will.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on July 17, 2009, 08:04:15 pm
But at what point would her being a mutant in human flesh would those powers get beyond her and cause her physical or psychological harm?

It is different when someone with Thor's outer invincibility or at least bullet proof skin on a Superman type level handles such massive wind gusts but she only controls weather and is still yet in a human frame.

If pushed too far would she not then become an elemental or someone no longer of the flesh to sustain control over something beyond her own reflexes?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 18, 2009, 12:39:07 pm
But at what point would her being a mutant in human flesh would those powers get beyond her and cause her physical or psychological harm?

It is different when someone with Thor's outer invincibility or at least bullet proof skin on a Superman type level handles such massive wind gusts but she only controls weather and is still yet in a human frame.

If pushed too far would she not then become an elemental or someone no longer of the flesh to sustain control over something beyond her own reflexes?


I did a post on here way back that would explain this well.

Somebody also asked me why Storm sometimes struggles to dispel a hurricane.

Here is the answer to that question:

That is because she holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5886/undergroundmosoon6lj.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon6lj.jpg)

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4089/undergroundmosoon28eh.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=undergroundmosoon28eh.jpg)

This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem. (However, sometimes she just speaks directly to the storm and commands it to disperse and it does instantly. lol)

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

Now, I did not say this, but there are stories where Ororo alters weather on a HUGE scale. For instance, even before she joined the X-Men, she dispersed a hemisphere-sized hurricane in "X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7." She has altered weather on a continental scale more than once and globally as well.

Storm is reluctant to impose her will on natural hurricanes since that is the natural order of things. She could disperse them, of course, but it could trigger an equally devistating disaster. 

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If pushed too far and she lets go of that humanity that keeps her power in check, she can evolve. Otherwise, if she goes too far while still keeping herself in check, she can pass out. However, even with her humanity, what a level she has! I mean, if anyone wants to see what she's done, all they have to do is just flip through the thread when they have time. Page 10, post 4 is a good place to start. On top of the feats posted there, she's completely destroyed the body of the Galactus herald, Stardust, but ripping electrons from his/her body and sending them slamming back into him/her with such force that she completely obliterated him/her. Her body is limited to her will and body and she has the strength of will and spirit to hold the essense of Eternity, a feat that would kill most beings including the Silver Surfer. When she travelled to another dimension, she bested the Trion who were the sum of that entire reality's past present and future. They were the elemental forces that composed and goverened that dimension given form and she was able to wield those forces on a level greater than them. It just goes to show just how powerful and how much control Storm has over the forces of nature. Truly, there is no wonder why she is the Mistress of the Elements. I remember when she once told Forge in anger and resentment after she lost her powers, "I had the power of a goddess!" If somebody puts up a force field, she can still control the elements from the other side of the field. The list goes on and on.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on July 18, 2009, 06:28:05 pm
Does anyone know anything about the Oromo peoples of east Africa? Is this Storm's heritage, is her name taken from them? They do have branches in Kenya as well as Ethiopia and I think Somalia.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 18, 2009, 07:25:59 pm
If you mean in the real world, the word/name Ororo is a fake/made-up name.  (Some have suggested that it is a play on Uhuru from Trek.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 19, 2009, 11:07:22 am
Just a note one Thor:  Thor's weather manipulating powers are innate; the hammer focuses the power.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 19, 2009, 11:08:26 am
Opps; forgot the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 19, 2009, 05:52:11 pm
Opps; forgot the link

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)[/url]



With or without the hammer, Thor has not demonstrated the skill Ororo has nor the creativity. Has he done anything impressive with the weather without the hammer?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 19, 2009, 06:14:20 pm
Never said anything about Storm; but I have always said that Storm displays more versatulity/creativity than Thor. 

My comment that Thor's powers are also innate.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on July 19, 2009, 06:32:49 pm
If you mean in the real world, the word/name Ororo is a fake/made-up name.  (Some have suggested that it is a play on Uhuru from Trek.)

Yeah, her goddess worship is also made-up for the comics. But I can accept if she worships the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet, or Bast. It's also possible that Storm imagined her own goddess to fit her own spiritual needs.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 20, 2009, 02:18:35 am
Never said anything about Storm; but I have always said that Storm displays more versatulity/creativity than Thor. 

My comment that Thor's powers are also innate.

I wonder if the source is correct. I mean, anyone who wields the hammer has control over the elements. Its one of the abilities that comes with it. So, if anything, he may have some innate control over the elements without the hammer as well, but the hammer itself has an enchantment that grants its wielder elemental control. Has he done anything remarkable without the hammer concerning the forces of nature?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 20, 2009, 03:56:14 am
Hard to say, because he always has the hammer.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on July 20, 2009, 08:16:22 am
Never said anything about Storm; but I have always said that Storm displays more versatulity/creativity than Thor. 

My comment that Thor's powers are also innate.

I wonder if the source is correct. I mean, anyone who wields the hammer has control over the elements. Its one of the abilities that comes with it. So, if anything, he may have some innate control over the elements without the hammer as well, but the hammer itself has an enchantment that grants its wielder elemental control. Has he done anything remarkable without the hammer concerning the forces of nature?

He was fighting Hercules(without his hammer-it was a no weapons challenge) who had put him in a wrestling hold which he could not escape. Thor got mad (Herc's the better wrestler) and called on the lightning to hit Herc.

Originally Thor's weather control was strictly in the hammer. That has been retconned to assert that Thor now only needs the Hammer for fine control and a focus for his power. i.e. he doesn't need it to hit you with lightning but freezing wind, driving rain THAT he needs the hammer for.

Not to mention the flying and teleporting and stuff.

I was given to understand that the main difference between Thor and Storm was that Storm HAS to work within nature Thor does not. If Storm wanted it to rain the the desert she have to pull water away from all the surrounding non-arid areas to do it. Thor just creates rain magically. The surrounding areas aren't effected by anything he does. The second difference is that to Thor weather control is literally a blunt instrument. Its only another way for him to hit somebody upside the head. He could do all Storm's power stunts but it never occurs to him to try. 

I read the issue in question but I still don't see how Storm could create Jovian pressure without wrecking the planet as a collateral.

That is just goofy.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 20, 2009, 01:01:34 pm
Never said anything about Storm; but I have always said that Storm displays more versatulity/creativity than Thor.  

My comment that Thor's powers are also innate.

I wonder if the source is correct. I mean, anyone who wields the hammer has control over the elements. Its one of the abilities that comes with it. So, if anything, he may have some innate control over the elements without the hammer as well, but the hammer itself has an enchantment that grants its wielder elemental control. Has he done anything remarkable without the hammer concerning the forces of nature?

He was fighting Hercules(without his hammer-it was a no weapons challenge) who had put him in a wrestling hold which he could not escape. Thor got mad (Herc's the better wrestler) and called on the lightning to hit Herc.

Originally Thor's weather control was strictly in the hammer. That has been retconned to assert that Thor now only needs the Hammer for fine control and a focus for his power. i.e. he doesn't need it to hit you with lightning but freezing wind, driving rain THAT he needs the hammer for.

Not to mention the flying and teleporting and stuff.

I was given to understand that the main difference between Thor and Storm was that Storm HAS to work within nature Thor does not. If Storm wanted it to rain the the desert she have to pull water away from all the surrounding non-arid areas to do it. Thor just creates rain magically. The surrounding areas aren't effected by anything he does. The second difference is that to Thor weather control is literally a blunt instrument. Its only another way for him to hit somebody upside the head. He could do all Storm's power stunts but it never occurs to him to try.  

I read the issue in question but I still don't see how Storm could create Jovian pressure without wrecking the planet as a collateral.

That is just goofy.

Okay, so he does need the hammer to control the weather. The hammer does indeed have a weather control enchantment as well. He's pretty much limited to lightning otherwise. If there are any instances of him doing anything with wind, temperature, etc without the hammer, I would wager that they are very low level feats at best. I don't think its fair to Storm to assume that Thor can just do all she can do. There are aspects of her elemental powers that I have never seen with Thor. For instance, Ororo can detect the life force in all living things and has a unity with life itself. This unity is what fuels her powers and makes her immune to the elements. She has the ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces that she can bend to her will and can detect movement in her environment (even if she is half a planet away from her moving target as we saw her zap the blackbird out of the sky while she was in Africa and Cyclops was in the blackbird flying over the US). She also has some of the other abilities of his hammer. One thing I have seen Thor do is focus the energies of a storm through his hammer into blasts of incredible power. Storm can do the same. We have seen her focus the full electrical fury of a storm into a single blast through her body. (Heck, there is no reason why she can't just strike her target directly with that bolt, but in the instance she did it, she was most likely filtering the lightning through her body to make it safe for Polaris and boost her powers. Later on, when the two fought in a future issue, she took Lorna down with a lighnting bolt which would indicate that she did not filter it safely for Polaris for this fight.) Then she has channeled a continent-size blizzard through her body. So she actually can imitate all of Thor's feats with the weather I would say, but the reverse is not true. The feats of skill and fine-tunement she has that Thor has not demonstrated are just other things Ororo has that he does not.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on July 20, 2009, 02:02:12 pm
Never said anything about Storm; but I have always said that Storm displays more versatulity/creativity than Thor.  

My comment that Thor's powers are also innate.

I wonder if the source is correct. I mean, anyone who wields the hammer has control over the elements. Its one of the abilities that comes with it. So, if anything, he may have some innate control over the elements without the hammer as well, but the hammer itself has an enchantment that grants its wielder elemental control. Has he done anything remarkable without the hammer concerning the forces of nature?

He was fighting Hercules(without his hammer-it was a no weapons challenge) who had put him in a wrestling hold which he could not escape. Thor got mad (Herc's the better wrestler) and called on the lightning to hit Herc.

Originally Thor's weather control was strictly in the hammer. That has been retconned to assert that Thor now only needs the Hammer for fine control and a focus for his power. i.e. he doesn't need it to hit you with lightning but freezing wind, driving rain THAT he needs the hammer for.

Not to mention the flying and teleporting and stuff.

I was given to understand that the main difference between Thor and Storm was that Storm HAS to work within nature Thor does not. If Storm wanted it to rain the the desert she have to pull water away from all the surrounding non-arid areas to do it. Thor just creates rain magically. The surrounding areas aren't effected by anything he does. The second difference is that to Thor weather control is literally a blunt instrument. Its only another way for him to hit somebody upside the head. He could do all Storm's power stunts but it never occurs to him to try.  

I read the issue in question but I still don't see how Storm could create Jovian pressure without wrecking the planet as a collateral.

That is just goofy.

Okay, so he does need the hammer to control the weather. The hammer does indeed have a weather control enchantment as well. He's pretty much limited to lightning otherwise. If there are any instances of him doing anything with wind, temperature, etc without the hammer, I would wager that they are very low level feats at best. I don't think its fair to Storm to assume that Thor can just do all she can do. There are aspects of her elemental powers that I have never seen with Thor. For instance, Ororo can detect the life force in all living things and has a unity with life itself. This unity is what fuels her powers and makes her immune to the elements. She has the ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces that she can bend to her will and can detect movement in her environment (even if she is half a planet away from her moving target as we saw her zap the blackbird out of the sky while she was in Africa and Cyclops was in the blackbird flying over the US). She also has some of the other abilities of his hammer. One thing I have seen Thor do is focus the energies of a storm through his hammer into blasts of incredible power. Storm can do the same. We have seen her focus the full electrical fury of a storm into a single blast through her body. (Heck, there is no reason why she can't just strike her target directly with that bolt, but in the instance she did it, she was most likely filtering the lightning through her body to make it safe for Polaris and boost her powers. Later on, when the two fought in a future issue, she took Lorna down with a lighnting bolt which would indicate that she did not filter it safely for Polaris for this fight.) Then she has channeled a continent-size blizzard through her body. So she actually can imitate all of Thor's feats with the weather I would say, but the reverse is not true. The feats of skill and fine-tunement she has that Thor has not demonstrated are just other things Ororo has that he does not.

So we pretty much agree. 'Cause like I said, it would never occur to Thor
to attempt to freeze dry somebody(assuming he could even pull it off) to stop them; he'd just hit them until they fell down.

The only question is does Storm's reverance for life/nature account for her control over her power or vice versa?

Is she reverent for life because she can litterally see auras? Or did her morality shape the nature of her powers?

If Storm had been brought up evil would it have changed how her powers work?

When she was in Punk phase and not big on revering life she only got stronger.

But then again, punk Storm was a while ago Marvel time wise she far more powerful now and her mindset is not as violent as it was then.

I'm guessing that Storm now is probably as powerful as she was in all of her previous altered states (Punk Storm, Rogue Storm).

Her control has just gotten that much better.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 20, 2009, 04:59:35 pm
Never said anything about Storm; but I have always said that Storm displays more versatulity/creativity than Thor.  

My comment that Thor's powers are also innate.


I wonder if the source is correct. I mean, anyone who wields the hammer has control over the elements. Its one of the abilities that comes with it. So, if anything, he may have some innate control over the elements without the hammer as well, but the hammer itself has an enchantment that grants its wielder elemental control. Has he done anything remarkable without the hammer concerning the forces of nature?


He was fighting Hercules(without his hammer-it was a no weapons challenge) who had put him in a wrestling hold which he could not escape. Thor got mad (Herc's the better wrestler) and called on the lightning to hit Herc.

Originally Thor's weather control was strictly in the hammer. That has been retconned to assert that Thor now only needs the Hammer for fine control and a focus for his power. i.e. he doesn't need it to hit you with lightning but freezing wind, driving rain THAT he needs the hammer for.

Not to mention the flying and teleporting and stuff.

I was given to understand that the main difference between Thor and Storm was that Storm HAS to work within nature Thor does not. If Storm wanted it to rain the the desert she have to pull water away from all the surrounding non-arid areas to do it. Thor just creates rain magically. The surrounding areas aren't effected by anything he does. The second difference is that to Thor weather control is literally a blunt instrument. Its only another way for him to hit somebody upside the head. He could do all Storm's power stunts but it never occurs to him to try.  

I read the issue in question but I still don't see how Storm could create Jovian pressure without wrecking the planet as a collateral.

That is just goofy.


Okay, so he does need the hammer to control the weather. The hammer does indeed have a weather control enchantment as well. He's pretty much limited to lightning otherwise. If there are any instances of him doing anything with wind, temperature, etc without the hammer, I would wager that they are very low level feats at best. I don't think its fair to Storm to assume that Thor can just do all she can do. There are aspects of her elemental powers that I have never seen with Thor. For instance, Ororo can detect the life force in all living things and has a unity with life itself. This unity is what fuels her powers and makes her immune to the elements. She has the ability to perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces that she can bend to her will and can detect movement in her environment (even if she is half a planet away from her moving target as we saw her zap the blackbird out of the sky while she was in Africa and Cyclops was in the blackbird flying over the US). She also has some of the other abilities of his hammer. One thing I have seen Thor do is focus the energies of a storm through his hammer into blasts of incredible power. Storm can do the same. We have seen her focus the full electrical fury of a storm into a single blast through her body. (Heck, there is no reason why she can't just strike her target directly with that bolt, but in the instance she did it, she was most likely filtering the lightning through her body to make it safe for Polaris and boost her powers. Later on, when the two fought in a future issue, she took Lorna down with a lighnting bolt which would indicate that she did not filter it safely for Polaris for this fight.) Then she has channeled a continent-size blizzard through her body. So she actually can imitate all of Thor's feats with the weather I would say, but the reverse is not true. The feats of skill and fine-tunement she has that Thor has not demonstrated are just other things Ororo has that he does not.


So we pretty much agree. 'Cause like I said, it would never occur to Thor
to attempt to freeze dry somebody(assuming he could even pull it off) to stop them; he'd just hit them until they fell down.

The only question is does Storm's reverance for life/nature account for her control over her power or vice versa?

Is she reverent for life because she can litterally see auras? Or did her morality shape the nature of her powers?

If Storm had been brought up evil would it have changed how her powers work?

When she was in Punk phase and not big on revering life she only got stronger.

But then again, punk Storm was a while ago Marvel time wise she far more powerful now and her mindset is not as violent as it was then.

I'm guessing that Storm now is probably as powerful as she was in all of her previous altered states (Punk Storm, Rogue Storm).

Her control has just gotten that much better.


When you pose the question in regards to Ororo's morality shaping her powers, I don't know if I quite understand what you are asking. Storm's morality holds her power in check. To make a parallel, its very much the same as how Jean's humanity held the power of the Phoenix in check. Strip away that humanity, and then you have unlimited power without restraint. The same holds true for Storm which is what the Roguestorm arc demonstrated.  I think Storm's reverence for life is something she chooses to have because of who she is and who she wants to be. Do you recall in Uncanny 185 where Storm and Rogue had their talk? Rogue was very dispirited about life and saw only the ugly around her. Storm allowed Rogue to borrow her abilities so that Rogue could see the world through her eyes. Rogue commented on the beauty of the world and how she never knew the world could be so beautiful. Here are the scans to catch her reaction:

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Storm spent the years when her powers first manifested on the plains of the Serengeti surrounded by the Earth's natural beauty uncompromised by technology. Prior to this, she lost her parents, she lived on the streets as an urchin and a theif, she was hounded by the Shadow King and she took the life of a man when he tried to rape her. Then during her treck across the Sahara on foot, her powers manifested themselves and she came to the Serengeti Plains where she was received as a goddess. I'm just going to point out some stuff now that we all know as I think it comes together to answer the questions you're asking above.  She was able to see the world in a different way as she showed Rogue in the scan above. She was able to see and fully appreciate all of the beauty in the world, and more, she was connected with it. Her mutant powers gave her a unity with life itself. When she moved in with the X-Men, she took the largest room of all the X-Men, the attic. A very spacious area which she beautified with exotic plants. Ororo has come to love and cherish beauty and she feels protective of life. She can do more than just see the auras around living things. Her powers also gives her an empathic feel to the world around her. For instance, one thing that's rarely touched up on is she can look into the character of people with her extended senses. With her ability to perceive the auras of all living things and her unity with life, she can feel the sickness in living things, setect if a person is evil or good (there is a "wrongness" about the aura of an evil entity), even feel the aura of a place same as she does with people. For instance, if a place has been desecrated by a great evil, she has been able in the past to sense that.  It is my assertion that because her powers gives her so much insight into the world around her, and the fact that she chooses to be a good person, this is why she is the way she is. This is why I believe that she chooses to work gently with the forces of nature rather than to ride roughshod over them. Working gently with nature takes more effort and care. (Much less effort now than it used to, of course, she's stronger now.) When she was punk, she lost a lot of that gentleness and feats that used to be more taxing became easier for her. However she could still see the beauty in the world as seen in that scan with Rogue when she absorbed punk Storm's powers. The power was always there for Storm to use, she simply chose not to tap that far into it. Of course, when an extreme circumstances comes up, and she's feeling very motivated, she will dish out an extreme response and she will tap into that power and ruthlessly run over whatever opposition she's up against.

It is my belief that she values the sanctity of life greater than any other X-Men because she has much greater insight into it than the the rest. However, one should not forget that she is every bit as ruthless as she is gentle.  She once commented on how she has the strength in her to devistate a country and almost revel in it and that scared her. Heck, Claremont once stated on a message board that both she and Phoenix had the power and will to end all life on Earth and during the original Phoenix stint with the X-Men, Storm and Phoenix held each other in check. He said in a 1979 interview that Storm and Phoenix were equal in terms of power and said that Storm was basically a 3-D goddess. (I have this in the thread as well.) Of course, Phoenix went the mad god way thanks to Mastermind and the Inner Circle. Storm, tempted by ultimate and unlimited power, almost went down the same path thanks to Dr. Doom, but she proved to be stronger will than Jean and brought herself in before she went too far. I only mention this to give insight to the character even from the early stages of her existence in comicdom.

If Storm had been brought up evil, it would not change how her powers work. Her powers are going to work the same regardless. She would just not cherish things the way she does. However, she would be far deadlier than the other x-villains save Dark Phoenix. She innately understands the workings of the forces of nature in the universe and can bend them to her will. Then you have the incredible strength of will and spirit to go along with it and taking into consideration that her power is limited only to her will and body. Then she can potentially transcend her body. Depending on how evil one is going to make her, to have all of these powers and to strip away the humanity that keeps the power in check, truly, to have all of these assets harnessed by a malevolent being is the ultimate nightmare. If Storm wanted to do damage, she would know very, very well and very intimately how to hit for maximum damage and she would do so ruthlessly. Of course, there is a difference between being evil like Mystique (if she had the power, she would not go on trying to destroy everything, its not her) and evil like Dark Phoenix who would destroy just for the thrill of it. So when I say 'depeding on how evil one is going to make her,' this is what I mean.

I don't know why anybody would want to tackle Wakanda with Queen Ororo there. Not only do you have all of the technological resources there, but then you have this incredible weapon of mass destruction sitting on the throne as queen and she's going to feel very protective of her family and her country. If you go too far, if you tick her off enough, she's going to wipe you out.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 20, 2009, 05:25:07 pm
Storm is definitely more poweful today than she ever was as punk Storm. Storm has just grown more powerful. If Storm were to go through another punk or some darker variation today, she would be much stronger than the punk Storm of the 80s and even more powerful than she is presently. That's scary considering what she's already done! Heck, what she's already done is scary already. As for Storm being more powerful than Roguestorm, no. When Ororo because Roguestorm, she evolved. She transcended her humanity. We never got to see Roguestorm really cut up. We knew that she had no power limits and that she could bend all elemental forces to her will. Storm, as Roguestorm, essentially became power incarnate and had no humanity to restrain her powers. However, she reigned herself in before she could really show us what she could do. She was Roguestorm for all of what, six pages, and then she denied herself the power.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 21, 2009, 12:51:28 am
I just reread my response to Vic Vega. Boy am I long-winded!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Son Of Storm on July 23, 2009, 06:31:45 am
Storm is definitely more poweful today than she ever was as punk Storm. Storm has just grown more powerful. If Storm were to go through another punk or some darker variation today, she would be much stronger than the punk Storm of the 80s and even more powerful than she is presently. That's scary considering what she's already done! Heck, what she's already done is scary already. As for Storm being more powerful than Roguestorm, no. When Ororo because Roguestorm, she evolved. She transcended her humanity. We never got to see Roguestorm really cut up. We knew that she had no power limits and that she could bend all elemental forces to her will. Storm, as Roguestorm, essentially became power incarnate and had no humanity to restrain her powers. However, she reigned herself in before she could really show us what she could do. She was Roguestorm for all of what, six pages, and then she denied herself the power.

Since Storm is SOO powerful I need info on how Storm would completely wipe the floor with red tornado!

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 30, 2009, 05:37:48 pm
I don't know anything about the Red Tornado. lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 30, 2009, 05:56:40 pm
Red Tornado?  All depends on which version and who's writing.  That character has been written so across the board.  BUT going from memory, in his elemental form his control over winds (storms?) matched Thor's.  His robot form is considerable less powerful.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 30, 2009, 06:30:28 pm
I need more info, but Storm seems to have the advantage.  If he's a robot and if he has no control over electricity and EM fields, I don't see why Storm can't just make his EM field go away and reduce him to a pile of junk in the blink of an eye. I've read some stuff on him on the internet and he seems to be limited to wind. I mean, maybe you can help me out on this, KIP. She seems to have a much larger arsenal than he does and nuances to her powers that he doesn't have. Would he be able to locate her in a blinding blizzard or blinding monsoon? I mean, she has so many different ways to perceive the world that creating some weather cover to blind him would really give her an edge in the battle where she can strike out at him guerrilla warfare style.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 30, 2009, 07:00:40 pm
This is where it gets confusing--Red Tornado is sortof 2 different characters.  He's a living robot and/or he is a elemental force inhabiting (better-inprisoned) within the robot body.  The Elemental is evil but the robot is good.  Destroy the robot body and he becomes more powerful. 

Or sometimes the elemental force is completely divorced from robot and then Storm kicks his butt.  I don't think the elemental is still part of him, until the next writer brings him back.

In elemental form, he is IIRC a match for Thor
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 31, 2009, 01:48:24 am
Is he limited to wind? Storm seems to have a much larger arsenal. In many ways, Storm is more formidable than Thor when it comes to an elemental battle. She's immune to the elements (he's probably resistent), she can see through weather cover, solid objects, etc, she can sense movement in her environment, etc. I think she could probably snow blind Red Tornado, sense him with her other senses and take him out with lightning. She may be able to just disperse the elemental the same way she dispersed Hydroman. Storm being able to control moisture enabled her to disperse Hydroman and her control over wind/air could enable her to disperse this guy too.

There are some other factors to consider here. Storm has flown thousands of miles in a matter of minutes on her winds on several occassions. Can Red Tornado fly that fast? She may be a faster flier than he and may have superior reaction time as well. She should also be able to predict his moves/flight patterns before he executes them since he is a wind elemental.

Honestly, I don't think this is a hard fight for Storm at all. There's so many ways that she can go at him and he's limited to what he can do to her. Storm has summoned winds capable of lifting hundreds of thousands of tons and floated right there in the middle of it and was unharmed. How is Red Tornado going to be such a powerful and versatile opponent who is immune to the elements? She'd have to be written down for a fight between the two to give him a chance. Not only does she control air down to the atomic level, she also controls the forces that dictate air movment like heat and pressure gradients. These are forces he has no control over. She should be able to impede his mobility if air based. She could take him apart atom by atom or simply use her control over heat and pressure to disperse him. Is he immune to cold?

Storm beats him badly. Storm can and has control the wind and elements on a global scale. How big are Red Tornado's air affects in comparison? I don't see why she can't just take control of him. She most likely has far more raw power and then her indomitable will plays into her power as well.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 31, 2009, 03:13:00 am
 
Now, he is good, sortof,  not a elemental but THE air elemental created by the spirit of earth as guardian.  He is of same order of being as Swamp Thing.

Sorry, he--as full elemental--is probably a match for Storm (on his earth) with more magic aspects to his power than hers..
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 31, 2009, 03:15:23 am
Storm can beat magic weather manipulators. Shaman of Alpha Flight controls the weather via magic. He threw a blizzard at the X-Men, Storm wrested control of it from him, doubled its power and turned it back upon him and Alpha Flight. He was powerless to stop her.

Look at what Storm did to the Trion. They were elemental beings that were the sum of an entire dimension's past, present and future. They were the very forces that composed the dimension given form and were the abstracts of that dimension. Storm took out a can on them. Red Tornado, from what I gather, is not the sum of an entire reality nor does he approach that. Storm should beat him on her Earth and on his Earth.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on July 31, 2009, 04:33:51 pm
@ Son of Storm:

If you don't know who the Trion are, here are the scans:


http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trionth3.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion2dz3.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion3iz5.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion4lv9.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion5xx6.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion6bt7.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trion7nl3.jpg

Storm's powers are to tap into the elements of the enviroment she's in. The Trion state that they themselves were the elemental forces of that reality, no outside source. So she was tapping into THEM to defeat THEM. There is no reason why this should not apply to the Red Tornado. She should be able to disperse him like she did Hydroman. The Red Tornado is a wind spirit composed of wind much like the Trion are the forces and sum of an entire reality given life. Yet, she was able to tap into those same forces, in essense, tapping into them, and usurp the elements from them. Red Tornado is much weaker than the Trion as he is not the summation of an entire dimension's past, present and future. Storm should be able to pull the same trick on him she did on them with something less than a conscious thought (yes, she can access her powers with less than a conscious thought. The scan is in this thread! :D ) Not to mention that its stated in canon that none of the weather's manifestations can directly harm her which includes winds. That and RT's powers are a joke compared to the Trion. Storm wins this fight easily.

Here is the scan with "less than a conscious thought" to help you:

http://img46.imageshack.us/i/lessthanacnsciousthoughfo4.jpg/

More for reaction speed:

http://img90.imageshack.us/i/energyworld38nt.jpg/
http://img122.imageshack.us/i/energyworld42xc.jpg/
http://img152.imageshack.us/i/energyworld57hb.jpg/

So, here it shows that Storm can see the electrons firing in one's nervous system and actually react fast enough to counter what they are going to do. Not to mention she can raise winds to fly at thousands of miles in a matter of minutes. From what little I have heard about him in the past on the net his winds are about 350 mph. However, there are probably some instances where he went well beyond that. That has to be taken into consideration, but I doubt he has demonstrated winds as fast and strong as Ororo which also means she can outfly him. Even if RT does not have a nervous system goverened by electrical impulses with him being an air spirit and all, it still speaks volumes for Storm's reaction speed. This combined with the facts that she can command the forces of nature with less than a conscious thought and she's much more powerful than he, this fight could actually be over before her conscious mind catches up with the fact that she's already used her powers to take him apart. LOL!  8)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 05, 2009, 03:49:48 am
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/StormandBish.jpg)

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/StormandBish1.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Son Of Storm on August 07, 2009, 04:16:39 pm
Ok ppl go here and gimme UR answeres

He!! sign up if u have 2..just debate for STORM

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/red-tornado-vs-storm/389296/ ;D ;D

O yea and leave my name out of it..the last thing I need is them blasting me 4 calling 4 backup!!! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on August 07, 2009, 04:49:29 pm
Rutog, that's one of my favorite Storm moments. If Storm couldn't be w/T'Challa, I think she would've been great w/Bishop.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 09, 2009, 01:18:33 am
Ok ppl go here and gimme UR answeres

He!! sign up if u have 2..just debate for STORM

[url]http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/red-tornado-vs-storm/389296/[/url] ;D ;D

O yea and leave my name out of it..the last thing I need is them blasting me 4 calling 4 backup!!! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X


lol. Unfortunately I cannot get involved in debates like that. They tend to go on forever and a day. They are lots of fun though.  I can't speak for everyone here, but for my part if you ever want my input on a "Storm vs." battle, just ask who would win between Storm and the "Character du jour" here on this thread and I will weigh in on it here.

@Jenn

I'm not going to disagree with you on a Storm/Bishop. Bishop is definitely one of the better picks for her and far superior to that Wolverine. I like that scene as well. The only problem now is I think Storm may be a descendent of Bishop. I forgot if that was established or if it were just an idea and nixed.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BBeeryan on August 09, 2009, 02:12:39 pm
She turned out to be his grandmother in his 4 part mini. It kinda sucks if you ask me, because they made no mention of Bishop being Wakandan.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 12, 2009, 02:31:58 am
Storm blocks Cyclops' optic blast with her lightning when he was possessed by the Shadow King:

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6059/xmworldsapart04page013.th.jpg)(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5781/xmworldsapart04page014.th.jpg) (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/xmworldsapart04page014.jpg/)

 (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/xmworldsapart04page015.jpg/)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 28, 2009, 12:46:52 am
A good post posted by a fellow Storm fan!

Quote from: Yogaflame;9513525
It is interesting that you would make a comparison to her claustrophobia and her humanity. I too find them very much so linked. Storm's power to control the weather is incredible in scope, almost goddesslike. And yet, when she is in a tight place she starts freaking out.

This is of course due to psychic scarring from the traumatic experience of having a plane fly into her family home and blow up, destroying the building and leaving her buried under burning rubble next to the dead remains of her parents. Now, here's where it gets interesting.

A) if you notice in the original telling of that accident, little Ororo is swept away from her parents a little by a puff of wind, which is why they are utterly crushed and killed while Ororo herself is not only largely unharmed(a few scratches perhaps) but also able to get out(having a large enough space to navigate through). So already we have an interesting little aspect of the weather behaving unusually  to save Ororo as a little four/five year old.

B) Storm's control over the elements is tied into her emotions. When she gets all claustrophobic, or otherwise emotionally disturbed, her powers flare up uncontrollably and often escalate in intensity.

C) Ororo's family was consumed in fire, metal, and stone.

What if Ororo's power to control the elements was in fact stunted by her childhood trauma to the extent that she relinquished her control over earth and fire, focusing only on water, air and ether(lightning/plasma and space phenomena). There is no real reason why someone who can control heat, oxygen and plasma cannot control fire outright. Nor that someone who is in empathic connection with all planets and celestial bodies, can manipulate atomic elements like hydrogen, oxygen etc, and manipulate electromagnetic fields can not control earth elements, which are nothing but condensed celestial components.

I think that Ororo's claustrophobia is her last connection to her humanity, which would be transcended in favor of her true elemental form if she could just let go of her four/five year old little-self's fear of death. She has already encountered moments of her 'goddess self' in the form of Roguestorm and in Ages of Apocalypse.

So, her claustrophobia, her greatest limitation, is actually the gateway to her unrealized potential.

I'd like to point out that Storm has controlled the earth before as she made an earthquake. Also, as Roguestorm, she could bend all elemental forces to her will and her breath was fire and ice. It would be nice to see Storm control the oxygen in the air and cause it to combust around her enemies just as a creative application of her power. Maybe even do something with gravity sometimes since she controlls the forces that patterns the weather which would include gravity. I'm not saying that she has to do this all the time, but maybe if just every once-in-a-while, she does something creative with fire, earth, gravity or the EM fields just for variety's sake!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on August 28, 2009, 04:11:03 pm
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A) if you notice in the original telling of that accident, little Ororo is swept away from her parents a little by a puff of wind, which is why they are utterly crushed and killed while Ororo herself is not only largely unharmed(a few scratches perhaps) but also able to get out(having a large enough space to navigate through). So already we have an interesting little aspect of the weather behaving unusually  to save Ororo as a little four/five year old.

Say what? Storm was trapped for three days under that rubble (at age six, not five or four) and listened to her mother die. IIRC, she was rescued from that rubble - she didn't escape. That's one. Two, while Storm hasn't conquered her claustrophobia, gone are the days where throwing her into a box is going to shut her down completely. We saw that in one of those boring-ass post-marriage spinoff stories, where someone else underestimated her by locking her in a coffin. (Will scan later tonight if I can.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on August 29, 2009, 01:03:53 am
Quote
A) if you notice in the original telling of that accident, little Ororo is swept away from her parents a little by a puff of wind, which is why they are utterly crushed and killed while Ororo herself is not only largely unharmed(a few scratches perhaps) but also able to get out(having a large enough space to navigate through). So already we have an interesting little aspect of the weather behaving unusually  to save Ororo as a little four/five year old.

Say what? Storm was trapped for three days under that rubble (at age six, not five or four) and listened to her mother die. IIRC, she was rescued from that rubble - she didn't escape. That's one. Two, while Storm hasn't conquered her claustrophobia, gone are the days where throwing her into a box is going to shut her down completely. We saw that in one of those boring-ass post-marriage spinoff stories, where someone else underestimated her by locking her in a coffin. (Will scan later tonight if I can.)

Actually, I think she dug herself out of that rubble. I don't think she was rescued. I think what happened is she dug herself out and was alone on the streets. An early death seemed to be her fate till the Street Urchins found her and took her to Achmed el-Gibar. I'll have to check myself.

On point two, I agree totally.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 29, 2009, 04:23:57 am
You both could be right; after 30 yrs, there is probably more than one version of that story (her parents' death) running around.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on August 29, 2009, 01:20:52 pm
Here's the take from Wikipedia (always a beacon of truth and accuracy):

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In Uncanny X-Men #102 (December 1976), Claremont established Storm's backstory. Ororo's mother, N'Dare, is the princess of a tribe in Kenya and the descendant of a long line of Africans with white hair, blue eyes, and a natural gift for sorcery. N'Dare falls in love with and marries African American photojournalist David Munroe. They move to Harlem in uptown New York City, where she becomes pregnant with Ororo and bears her, and then to Egypt during the Suez Crisis, where they are killed in a botched aircraft attack and leave six-year-old Ororo as an orphan. There, her violent claustrophobia is also established as a result of being buried under tons of rubble after that attack.

Doesn't tell much, but I think Rutog and I are both correct: Storm was trapped under the rubble and eventually got her way out. The main question is when and how. But I've got money in the bank ($3.48) that Storm escaping with 'a few scratches' wasn't exactly what happened. I think I got the rescue part from the mini-that-shall-not-be-named. It was the mini that suggested that the wind blew Storm away from her parents, which is how she lived and they died. (EJD actually did the back story pretty well.) But let's face it - if Storm was trapped WITH her mother, it obviously didn't blow her very far.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 07, 2009, 07:05:44 pm
Just another scan of Storm's potential as she evolves into an elemental being:

http://www.resca.com.ar/santcum/issues/history/x98.jpg
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on September 08, 2009, 05:24:11 am
awesome stuff Rutog.

Keep it up...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 11, 2009, 11:16:17 am
^^^Thanks! :D

I was just thinking...

 (http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9452/img008uu4.th.jpg) (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008uu4.jpg)

Here is what McDuffie said:

-----Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds.

So what's to stop Storm from stealing the electrons from somebody's nervous system, personal EM field, and since our bodies are composed of molecules which are in turn made up of atoms which are then comprised of sub-atomic particles (protons, neutrons and electrons), she could deconstruct somebody right on the spot? Also, if she were to ever fight somebody like Iron Man, why wouldn't she just rip the electrons right out of his suit and send them somewhere else thus rendering his whole armor powerless? She could do this to any machine, really. She could just remove the electrical power from the machine with just a thought.

She could probably use this power creatively to manipulate the electrons in a person's brain to give them amnesia or imitate her own form of telepathy. I mean, if she controls the electrical impulses in the brain and nervous system, there is no reason she can't control somebody's thoughts. I mean, add this to the scan above:  http://img122.imageshack.us/i/energyworld42xc.jpg/ lol!

Anyway, just thinking of the endless possibilities with her powers!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on September 11, 2009, 12:50:28 pm
She should be able to control the Synapse in a person brain, when she is focused enough.

Come one Mr. Maberry. Just do it...that would be a great feat.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 11, 2009, 01:19:36 pm
She should be able to control the Synapse in a person brain, when she is focused enough.

Come one Mr. Maberry. Just do it...that would be a great feat.

Yeah, it would be awesome and she would be much scarier than a telepath. Telepaths have to forge psi-links with the other mind to control and attack it. This means they have to bludgeon their way into somebody's mind. They assault you with the strength of their personality and psyche. In essence, telepaths attack you with a part of themselves- their mental selves and will. A person with a strong enough will can overcome telepathic attacks or if you control energies that can scramble telepathy and you know how to use it properly, that will work too. Storm has both the energy control and will power to best even the strongest of psis.  

In Storm's case, however, she's not fighting the person will to will in that she's not trying to overlay her personality over the other person's. She's using her elemental powers to take control of the electrons in the nervous system. In other words, she wouldn't even have to contest anyone's will to do this. Her way of doing this totally bypasses the willpower resistance thing (not that she would be out-willed by anyone anyway, lol).

There are just so many different things Storm can do. She could do the mind control thing via electron manipulation. She could transmute a person or object much like Blackbolt of the Inhumans via electron manipulation. I mean, we've already seen her use this electron manipulation to create clothing out of thin air. I'm not saying that she has to do these things every issue, but it would be nice to see her vary of attacks every once in a while and do something jaw dropping. For instance, if she wanted to knock somebody out, instead of always using a lightning bolt, why not simply take direct control of the moisture in someone's body and pull just enough out to render them unconscious? If a villain crossed Storm and Black Panther really bad, I mean, they really crossed the line, it would be nice to see Storm maybe manipulate the electrons in their brain to give them temporary amnesia as punishment.  I really appreciated what she did in X-Men: Worlds Apart where she took control of the air in those people's lungs. Just things like that would be nice to see sometimes.

I'm sure Mr. Maberry has some very cool things planned for Storm! These are just fan requests is all. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on September 29, 2009, 11:59:10 am
Guys,

Read about how much energy hurricanes produce!

Read the introduction in this link: http://ecrs2008.saske.sk/dvd/s1.04.pdf and this one:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080831172621AAQGJwt

Now, consider that in canon Storm has focused the full electrical power of a hurricane into a single blast of energy!This woman has controlled continent-sized storms, hemisphere-sized hurricanes and done things on a global level. Just image the amount of energy she is controlling.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on September 30, 2009, 01:49:33 pm
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=287898 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=287898)

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090924-Agents-Atlas-X-Men.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090924-Agents-Atlas-X-Men.html)

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23060 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23060)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 01, 2009, 12:18:07 pm
^^^ Nice!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 12, 2009, 02:59:01 pm
Pulled over from the solo thread because it's not really on topic there.

I'm not at all  happy about how Storm has been played in the rebooted series either (especially after the first couple issues looked promising), but in that my subscription has about seven remaining issues I'm going to swallow the koolaid about things being about  to change. For now.


I thought about you this afternoon. :) I met up with a buddy of mine today, the the one who convinced me to give Worlds Apart another try. Until now, she was one of the last ones still reading BP. So imagine how surprised I was when we started talking about this month's book.

Her: Did you read Black Panther this month?
Me: You know I didn't. Why?
Her: Oh. My. God. You will NOT believe this sh*t.

And she just tears into this month's issue. I mean, hands shaking, voice trembling rage. I'd never seen her like that in my life. I had to get her to calm down (we were at a restaurant). Apparently Storm's doing nothing but smiling and nodding like a bobbleheaded doll kissing Shuri's ass, while Shuri is running around calling herself a queen. (So much for that "princess regent" bullsh*t.) She said she never knew how much she loved Storm until the relaunch. I didn't know how much she loved Storm, either. If anybody was going to have tears in their eyes after something like this, I always thought it would be me. "They RUINED her!" is what she kept saying, something I can neither agree nor disagree with, since I don't care enough to read the book to find out. (People tend to mistake my "thinking out loud" posts as having an opinion.) She's not too thrilled w/me right now because I didn't have much to say except "sucks to be you". As far as I'm concerned, if she keeps reading the damn title, she deserves to be kicked in the teeth.

On one hand I'm curious as to exactly how bad this month's issue truly is. My friend points out that I've already paid for the book (via subscription), so I may as well read it an have an educated opinion, which is a very strong argument. On the other hand, it's the principality of the thing, Smokey. As I've explained to her, I don't have an opinion one way or the other, and the truth is, I really don't want to read the title or support it in any way. I don't really need to know how bad it is. In fact, I'm pretty sure I can tell you exactly what's happening (http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=4952.msg85028#msg85028):

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T'Challa is still pimpin hoes. Shuri is even more annoying, if that's possible, and Storm does not exist. I think the Thirsty Hoes ate her.


...only replace "pimpin hoes" with "acting like a whiny little bitch" (http://comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/3505/prv3505_pg4.jpg). I really think she just wants me to read it just so she'll have somebody to rant to (the rest of us abandoned it long ago). But c'mon, even though I couldn't love her more if we were blood, that's just asking too much. Personally, if I was ever caught reading this title, I pray that my friends would have the wisdom, courage, and personal conviction to beat my ass on the spot.

Which brings me back to you, because - with all due respect to Rutog98 - the only opinions here that I trust are yours and BarbaraB's. I ask this with nothing but respect: how can you possibly trust the team behind Black Panther to do the right thing by Storm, seeing what they're doing to her right now? As my friend pointed out, Storm has never, EVER received this kind of front-and-center attention - not under Hudlin's pen, or as a 30+ year Marvel character. I don't have any problem with her being 1/2 of a royal couple, but playing second string to some sassy black kid sister? To quote another friend of mine, who IS this bitch? And why does she deserve more shine that Storm has ever had in her entire life? And even if, by some crazy circumstance, the third arc does NOT suck donkey dick, can any future stories rectify the treatment of Storm in the present? What possible excuses could Marvel have for busting her down in rank, turning her husband into a slimeball, and painting her as utterly indifferent to her T'Challa's current state? (Which reminds me - exactly how blind, deaf and dumb is Storm supposed to be to not notice any of the new marks on T'Challa's body? About as blind, deaf and dumb as she is to not notice an entire army of women at her husband's disposal, I guess.)

Anyway, like I said before, I'm just thinking out loud right now. I would never want to go on any other comic board to talk about this title because I don't want it to look like I've flipped. Then again, maybe I have flipped and I'm just too proud to say "you guys were right and I was wrong". I mean, I talked an awful lot of sh*t in my day. :) But I just hate being on the Black Panther board ragging on the Black Panther book, mainly because I get sick of people saying I should "give it a chance", like I didn't before. Give it a chance for what? If my friend is shaking and near tears, there's no telling what the hell I'd be doing. The weird this is, I really *don't* care, not as things are right now. I mean, I would care if we were to go back in time, but to me, it all just seems tainted to me now, and anything that comes in the future doesn't change the fact that once upon a time at Marvel, somebody said "You know that chick Shuri? Well, I have a great idea..." Does that make any sense at all? Because this is a lot of words to say "f*ck it, do whatever".
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2009, 03:28:58 pm
I know my opinion does not matter....maybe I am a homer...but from his writing style, he is trying to tell a story. I has been great in my opinion. I thought issue #9 was his best, it was a really good read to me and mostly everything I have read has been positive. SO I can't say I don't disagree about Storm not being front and center...or T'challa not being Black Panther. Those things bother me...but when I see marvel creators citing that Black Panther and its stars are going to have a big year. Then that gives me hope.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on October 12, 2009, 03:34:02 pm
Have to agree with some of Jenn's points here...the title is a little off and has been that way - want to give the new team a chance to bring it back.  Don't really want Shuri as the lead character & think that King T'Challa & Storm should be the leads and Shuri should support them.  Will try to hold out while all this is cleared up in the next few issues....
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2009, 03:53:19 pm
Have to agree with some of Jenn's points here...the title is a little off and has been that way - want to give the new team a chance to bring it back.  Don't really want Shuri as the lead character & think that King T'Challa & Storm should be the leads and Shuri should support them.  Will try to hold out while all this is cleared up in the next few issues....

I think most feel this way. Which is why I said I agreed with that part. But still, I enjoyed the last few issues. I like how t'challa mainly is being explored...and I don't mind as long as he will return as the Panther. Storm too...I mean I want to see her shine more then anything.

But Shuri isn't a bad character. I like her and her P.R.I.D.E team. It's different.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 12, 2009, 06:40:37 pm
Have to agree with some of Jenn's points here...the title is a little off and has been that way - want to give the new team a chance to bring it back.  Don't really want Shuri as the lead character & think that King T'Challa & Storm should be the leads and Shuri should support them.  Will try to hold out while all this is cleared up in the next few issues....

I agree with this. Jenn certainly has a gripe and raises some very valid points.

Jenn,

I can definitely see where you are coming from. I had the same reservations as you. Storm is acting out-of-character right now, quite a bit. I know. I've said this in another thread a while back, but she should be grilling T'challa about the attack on him and leading a secret investigation of her own to learn the identity of his assailant. She should be in a righteous fury right now and she should be the one calling the shots. Shuri can be doing the leg work abroad as she's doing now, but working under Ororo's command. Storm should still be queen. She should be running the country and protecting the country from within. The Wakandan news debaters are criticizing Shuri for not being in the country when its ruler is needed most in favor of spending her time abroad. This would not be an issue if Storm had been left as queen and stayed the country to lead it while Shuri does the leg work abroad.  Believe me, I see where you are coming from. Though I feel it would be more natural for the scenerio I outlined to happen, this is not the road taken. However, we have the writer's word that Storm is going to come back in full force and she is going to finally express her opinion on all that is going on. He also seems to have some cool things in store for her. The purpose right now in the title is to define Shuri, which is okay, but it should not be to the exclusion of Storm.

I remain hopeful that things will work out and that my favorite character will shine like the star she is. I am also excited that Maberry is a solid writer who seems to like Storm given what he has stated on these boards and in interviews. Black Panther is the only hope for us Storm fans to see our character shine since Uncanny is basically the Cyclops and Emma show. I've dropped X-Men (but will be picking up X-force for the "Necrosha" arc). I don't want to give up comics.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 12, 2009, 06:47:48 pm
So how do you like Storm in X-men Forever? 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 12, 2009, 06:51:32 pm
So how do you like Storm in X-men Forever?  

Ah, that's not a 616 title, though. I have dropped my 616 x-titles. I only read two comics now, Black Panther (a 616 title) and X-Men Forever with X-Force starting this month till the end of "Necrosha."

Adult Storm is not on the X-Men team in that title. She's one of their major baddies there. I think it has potential, but only time will tell. I haven't made up my mind yet about kid Storm. I'll have to see what CC has in store for her.

I am in comics now for BP, however. I would not stay in comics for X-Men Forever only. Storm is not on the cast team which means she will show up only every once and again.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 12, 2009, 08:32:53 pm
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we have the writer's word

OH, WELL IN THAT CASE...!!!!

*goes to get a drink*

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He also seems to have some cool things in store for her.

Yes, like getting kidnapped. By Doom.

(For the record, I *am* drinking.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2009, 08:35:35 pm
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we have the writer's word

OH, WELL IN THAT CASE...!!!!

*goes to get a drink*


LOL
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on October 12, 2009, 10:39:57 pm
I'm trying y'all I'm really trying. I stared at the last issue of BP for a full minute before I finally picked it up and but it in my short stack of comics. I haven't read it yet (I've actually been busy). I'm not saying Mayberry is a bad writer. All I know is that I'm not a comics fan. I'm a Storm fan. Not a BP fan. He's okay, but I'm only here for the Storm.

I have every issue of Ultimate (even wrote an Ult. fic) although I know that the white haired black chick was NOT my Storm. I am also reading Astonishing, X-Men vs. Agents of Atlas and Forever. THere's something in me that believes deep down that if I stop buying books with Storm they'll stop putting her in them. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know, but I guess on some level I'm like those RO/LO worshippers who believe they will put Storm and Wolverine together one day so they snatch at the bones that Marvel throws them once in a while.

I think that I am more disappointed with Black Panther than I've ever been with X-Men. I'm probably not going to ride this Shuri thing out. I mean at least if Storm flies in the book I get some cool scans. As soon is Storm is actually doing something in the book 'll be back on board though. I'm hoping hoping hoping that when Storm finally finds out about the harem that she really goes off though. I don't want any of that, "It is a part of the Wakandan culture, my love," or any of that other boolshat.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 12, 2009, 10:50:18 pm
I'm trying y'all I'm really trying. I stared at the last issue of BP for a full minute before I finally picked it up and but it in my short stack of comics. I haven't read it yet (I've actually been busy). I'm not saying Mayberry is a bad writer. All I know is that I'm not a comics fan. I'm a Storm fan. Not a BP fan. He's okay, but I'm only here for the Storm.

I have every issue of Ultimate (even wrote an Ult. fic) although I know that the white haired black chick was NOT my Storm. I am also reading Astonishing, X-Men vs. Agents of Atlas and Forever. THere's something in me that believes deep down that if I stop buying books with Storm they'll stop putting her in them. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know, but I guess on some level I'm like those RO/LO worshippers who believe they will put Storm and Wolverine together one day so they snatch at the bones that Marvel throws them once in a while.

I think that I am more disappointed with Black Panther than I've ever been with X-Men. I'm probably not going to ride this Shuri thing out. I mean at least if Storm flies in the book I get some cool scans. As soon is Storm is actually doing something in the book 'll be back on board though. I'm hoping hoping hoping that when Storm finally finds out about the harem that she really goes off though. I don't want any of that, "It is a part of the Wakandan culture, my love," or any of that other boolshat.

So Storm would tell him not to have a army (because they are a army) because they are female?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 12, 2009, 11:17:51 pm
Barbara,

I totally understand where you are coming from with being a Storm fan. I got into comics for Storm and only read books where she plays a prominent role. Currently, that's BP and X-Men Forever since Storm was central June-August in Forever. Now that its established that she is no longer an X-Man but rather one of their dealiest advasaries, there is still kid Storm on the team roster. I don't know if I like that character yet. If I like kid Storm, I will stick with the title, if I don't like her, I will drop the title. I am not sticking around for the every now and then arc where villain, adult Storm shows up to threaten the team.

For Black Panther, I am taking the writer at his word. I think Storm is going to be getting a big slice of the pie and I think its going to be soon. True, Storm is currently being written out of character for the sake of Shuri. I understand the reasoning behind it though I don't agree with it. I mean, as I have already stated, Shuri could have been highlighted as well as Storm with them working in concert.  Storm, of course, should be the one in charge. I covered this at length already. I have faith that if I wait a month or two, I'm going to be very happy. Meanwhile, I am getting a taste of Maberry's writing style right now and I like what I see. I can't wait to see what he does with Storm.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 12, 2009, 11:31:14 pm
I guess on some level I'm like those RO/LO worshippers who believe they will put Storm and Wolverine together one day so they snatch at the bones that Marvel throws them once in a while.

They have a lot of meat since Storm is being kidnapped and rescued by Wolverine. (LOLOLOLOL) Have you ever gotten news so bad that you just laughed out loud because you didn't know what else to do? I swear to God, I feel like somebody is on top of my chest and the air is slowly seeping out of my lungs. (Fellow martial artists will know *exactly* what I mean.)

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I'm a Storm fan. Not a BP fan. He's okay, but I'm only here for the Storm.

Really!? I was always a BP fan, but I really fell in love with him over the years. Now that he's Wakanda's bitch boy, I don't care what happens to him. f*ck him. No, really. And like you said, all that's going to happen is Storm is going to throw a little tantrum, then T'Challa's going to bang her back out. The end. Or maybe I'm completely wrong. Who gives a f*cking sh*t? I think it's a lot easier to stick with a book you hate than with a book you just can't get hyped up about, no matter how hard you try. Life's too short. And - and I know this is awful to say - I feel sorry for Storm fans now, in the same way I feel sorry for Tyler Perry fans.

But somebody reminded me that I dished out a looooooot of sh*t over these past three years. He said the one thing he's always admired about me is my ability to admit when I'm wrong. I don't know what I'm going to do about that, or how (probably blog it), or when, but I am going to. It's the right thing to do. Maybe it'll reverse the karma. (O/T: I type w/my eyes shut when I'm drunk, so you'll have to forgive me for whatever typos, runoffs and incoherent sentences I'm making right now. I'm also belting out Gilbert O'Sullivan right now.) Right now, all I want to do is get my admins/officers straight and get the f*ck out of here for a while. I don't even want to *think* about this title for a while, and I'll be goddamned if we wind up w/Claremont pt II up in here. I did the same thing when Obama picked Biden over Sebelius for VP. I had nothing to do w/him until voting day, and really haven't been impressed w/him since.)

PM me your Ult. fic, please? *big puppy dog eyes* I either gotta lie down or...I dunno. Better lie down!!!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Battle on October 13, 2009, 08:08:04 am
Now I'm all depressed!  :-\
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on October 13, 2009, 08:45:36 am
Just keep watching.  Patience is often rewarded.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on October 13, 2009, 09:49:31 am
This is why if I wrote comics I would not even LOOK at fan feedback. EVER.

If the stories arent working for Storm fans like Jenn, they shouldnt read it. I gave up reading Avengers because I didnt like Bendis version of them. So that bit I get.

But some of this other stuff

See all I look for is for stories to make sense. If A then B. If you can throw some continuity in the mix, then even better. Loves me some Greg Pak. That Captain Britain MI-13 was Marvels best product in a while. Period.

I saw the other day a Justice League DVD. And on the Directors Commentary, McDuffie noting that some fans had complained about the change of the introduction of show from the second season to the third said: Fans just hate change.

I get that some folks are Storm fans first, marriage fans second and B.P. fans third, but dag, the title of the book is still Black Panther last I checked, not Storm and Friends.

Moreover, in story Black Panther is a title than can be lost by its holder. So if TChalla aint Black Panther the story follows the person who is, Princess Regent or a Cop trying to make detective.

The job of this book is to pique the interest of readers about the new Panther. So far its doing a pretty good job of it. As a regular reader youd also want to know what happened to the old Panther. So far its doing a decent job of that too. That Storm isnt getting screen time is regrettable but the story isnt about her and I dont see how it could be and still make sense.

The king of a race of unparalled asskickers got his ass beat. Thats the premise. So what happens next? That would be the tale.  

So JOB ONE for him is payback.  Heck, job one for SHURI as the new Panther is payback but she doesnt know where to look yet. How can you logically have Storm get that payback by herself without undermining everything the Panthers stand for? Is Storm capable of gaining said information herself and acting on it? Well yes, but not without turning it into an X-Men story since Storm will need help with Doom.

Not only would that violate internal story logic but it kinda defeats the purpose of the relaunch.  
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Battle on October 13, 2009, 10:15:28 am
F'real! :)

Maybe it's because of today's information age where this new generation of readers simply know too much about the progress of the books.

I mean, I can remember a time when all you had was comic book conventions (which I never got that far) where that was the only time you could get any real info on the books you read straight from the creator's mouths, up close & personal.  Maybe you read a line in the bullpen, maybe you actually wrote to the publishers, maybe you knew a friend that knows someone on the inside but overall, the whole production was total mystery and you simply waited with baited breath until next month.

Now, you know exactly what's going to happen 6 months to a year in advance!  No wonder's the anticipation is so demanding and the cover prices are so high!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 11:09:59 am
Vic,

I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent, but you have to admit that there has to be balance. Storm is too big a character to ignore. That said, in my ideal world, both Storm and Shuri would have been showcased. However, this was not the road taken. Ah well. The writer is very good and very passionate about the book and I take him at his word. I firmly believe that he has some fantastic things planned for T'challa, Ororo and Shuri and that will satisfy all fans who have a stake in the book.  
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 13, 2009, 12:26:04 pm
I get that some folks are Storm fans first, marriage fans second and B.P. fans third, but dag, the title of the book is still Black Panther last I checked, not Storm and Friends.

How DARE Storm fans want to see Storm as the wife and queen princess clit licker of Shuri Doom's f*ck toy whateverthehellsheis of Wakanda!

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That Storm isnt getting screen time is regrettable

Uh, no. Some 5th rate character taking the role of Panther? That's regrettable. Storm being pushed aside and pissed on for some 5th rate character is offensive. Oh, but wait. Don't tell me. Kust keep reading. Wait and see. Give it a chance and patience is a virtue and FAP FAP FAP SKEET SKEET SKEET. (And you guys think *I'm* arrogant?)

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Not only would that violate internal story logic but it kinda defeats the purpose of the relaunch.

Well, hell. THIS relaunch defeats the purpose of the FIRST relaunch, doesn't it? And when this doesn't work AGAIN and Marvel wants to try to boost Panther sales AGAIN, what happens next for the re-re-relaunch? Do we kill off T'Challa and put Storm w/Shuri and make Ramonda the Black Panther? Because apparently putting Storm w/T'Challa didn't accomplish a damn thing. You can say what you want and Marvel can say what they want, but that's the only reason why we're starting over AGAIN. Marvel didn't go from #34 and ease Shuri into the role of BP (BTW, whatever happened to Monica?). Marvel just said "f*ck it, this isn't working. Scrap it and let's try something else." I mean, I applaud Marvel for desperately trying to keep this title afloat, but did they not learn ANYTHING from the marriage?

Seriously, though. If this title can be rebooted and everything get rescrambled in the blink of an eye, what's the point in investing in the story? That's not fair to anybody who's reading this book, no matter what they think about what's going on now.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 13, 2009, 12:34:59 pm
I get that some folks are Storm fans first, marriage fans second and B.P. fans third, but dag, the title of the book is still Black Panther last I checked, not Storm and Friends.

How DARE Storm fans want to see Storm as the wife and queen princess clit licker of Shuri whateverthehellsheis of Wakanda!

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That Storm isnt getting screen time is regrettable

Uh, no. Some 5th rate character taking the role of Panther? That's regrettable. Storm being pushed aside and pissed on for some 5th rate character is offensive. Oh, but wait. Don't tell me. Kust keep reading. Wait and see. Give it a chance and patience is a virtue and FAP FAP FAP SKEET SKEET SKEET. (And you guys think *I'm* arrogant?)

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Not only would that violate internal story logic but it kinda defeats the purpose of the relaunch.

Well, hell. THIS relaunch defeats the purpose of the FIRST relaunch, doesn't it? And when this doesn't work AGAIN and Marvel wants to try to boost Panther sales AGAIN - which, for the record, completely defeats the purpose of even reading the book - what happens next for the re-re-relaunch? Do we kill off T'Challa and put Storm w/Shuri and make Ramonda the Black Panther? Because apparently putting Storm w/T'Challa didn't accomplish a damn thing. You can say what you want and Marvel can say what they want, but that's the only reason why we're starting over AGAIN. Marvel didn't go from #34 and ease Shuri into the role of BP (BTW, whatever happened to Monica?). Marvel just said "f*ck it, this isn't working. Scrap it." If this title can be rebooted and everything get rescrambled in the blink of an eye, what's the point in investing in the story? That's not fair to anybody who's reading this book, no matter what they think about what's going on now.

Consider this...what if it not just about sales? Maybe they are actually pushing the character...something that for a long time was half hearted in my opinion.

This event is pretty awesome. I really respect what you are saying, but man...what if you are wrong. They you as a die hard T'challa and Ororo fan would have missed out on something great.

I know you answer will be "no" ;D

But I saying Jenn.

I think they are really trying to push the character. I could tell when I saw Ironman Armored Adventures...when t'challa was really bad ass...and pretty much stole the show for tha episode. Along with Mr. Hudlin's cartoon, and the 2nd comic coming out next year (Cap and BP) and now this (Doomwar).

Just saying.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 13, 2009, 01:33:36 pm
I really respect what you are saying, but man...what if you are wrong.


I've always been the first to say when I'm wrong, even when I don't have to. I could've said nothing about the Worlds Apart book (especially after the first one!), but I didn't. The problem is that I'm rarely wrong about anything. So that's a long shot. The real question is: when you turn out to be wrong, will *you* say so?


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They you as a die hard T'challa and Ororo fan would have missed out on something great.


I haven't seen "Chinatown", either, because of Polanski. That's my loss.

Besides, there's a difference b/t "this sounds like garbage and I'm not going to like this" and "this is going to be a miserable failure that will go down as one of the most pussified moves in the history of Marvel Comics". One is merely an opinion (which isn't mine, for the record). The other is an educated guess based on the way Marvel has handled Black Panther events in the past. There's a reason why, as of Oct. 13, Storm's Wikipedia entry still reads: Best known as a longtime member and sometimes leader of the X-Men, Storm is currently the reigning queen of Wakanda, a title held by marriage to King T'Challa, better known as the Black Panther. And it ain't because nobody's worked on the entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Storm_%28Marvel_Comics%29&action=history) since BP #7. Does Shuri - who's going to be the savior of this title - even have an article yet? Apparently nobody cared enough to start one. So in the spirit of good faith, allow me to do so.

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Shuri, a*k*a Panther Barbie, a*k*a Here Kitty Kitty, is the reigning princess regent or queen of Wakanda, depending on the page of the book you're unfortunate enough to be reading. She also holds the title of Black Panther due to desperation on behalf of Marvel Comics, who has a complete lack of faith in fans of T'Challa (last seen BAAAAWWWWing to some witch doctor because Doom won't take him to the junior prom). Shuri is the brainchild of Reginald "All Y'all Are Haters" Hudlin, and is currently penned by Jonathan "You'll Swallow and You'll Like It" Maberry. Shuri is SOOPERKEWLIEZ and it's best you just take the writer at his (long and winding) word, because that's pretty much all you've got going for yourself right now. Shuri was last seen wearing her brother's balls around her neck.

During the highly anticipated, upcoming OMGOMGOMGDOOOOOOOMWAR!!!!!, Shuri will be seen doing something, while T'Challa continues to cry like a bitch as his wife (?) Storm is kidnapped, presumably while watching television and masturbating over the sheer magnificence that is Shuri.

Recently, Marvel announced that there will be no refunds if consumers are unable to concentrate on their reading due to the sound of Maberry beating off to his own greatness. However, the debut issue of OMGOMGOMGDOOOOOOOMWAR!!!!! will come with a pair of Jonathan Maberry MMA Dickrider Shorts for all your nuthugging needs.


Feel free to build from there. (And you're welcome!)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on October 13, 2009, 03:21:31 pm
Jenn has a few good points on her opinion of the series...agreed.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 13, 2009, 07:34:33 pm
Is Storm doing anything in X-Men? What did she do while they were in San Francisco? The fight between her and Namora doesn't impress me. That's just another superheroine chick fight. And who's bright idea was it to relocate to Asteroid M? Didn't Storm once question X-Factor's decision to have the Ship allow only mutants into itself?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 07:49:39 pm
Jenn has a few good points on her opinion of the series...agreed.


Actually, she raises some very good points. I have never contested that and I once harbored the same concerns that plagues her.  I just held hope that Storm will shine and the writer has given his word on that.  This schism between the book's fans is rooted in the fact that Storm has been stripped of her title as queen just because T'challa got hurt and her lack of passion, fire and vengeance about T'challa's attack. By all rights, Storm should be the one ruling Wakanda now. I don't think that means she has to be the new Panther. I mean, the Panther God turned Shuri down. When Shuri became the Black Panther, I took it more symbolically since she doesn't have the herb and all. One would expect that if T'challa were to somehow be rendered incapacitated, his wife and queen, Storm, would step in to take over leadership (as queen, she should have a hand in the leadership even with T'challa in full health). It would only be natural. One would also expect that she would retain her role as the country's protector. I don't think Storm should be left out as she has been and she is being written out-of-character right now. That trademark fire and passion is missing. She should be on the case about T'challa's attacker. She and Shuri should be working together with Storm handling things domestically and Shuri doing the leg work abroad. This is what I would have liked to see, but who knows, what may turn out may be something better than I could have imagined. That said, the writing is very good and we are going to start seeing some Storm action soon.

This is the solicitation for next month's issue that I posted back in August. It helped to alleviate concerns I had back then:

([url]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/blackpanther-10.jpg[/url])

BLACK PANTHER #10
Written by JONATHAN MABERRY
Penciled by WILL CONRAD
Cover by PAUL RENAUD
“POWER,” PART 4
Wakanda is under siege on all fronts.  Storm brings her weather powers to bear against an unnatural force that threatens to sweep the land with blight and famine...T’Challa takes another step into the dark and destructive world of vengeance...and the new Black Panther prepares for a showdown with the last person linked to the assassination attempt on her brother: Prince Namor.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99



I know that Storm is coming back with a vengeance and the writer that is going to be writing it is a good one. I was feeling like Jenn and Barbara at first, but did not want to criticize much until I learned more about the future plans for Storm by reading solits for future months. I saw the solits, I liked them, then I got the word of the writer that Storm is going to be awesome. I chose to look at the positive in  Maberry until I learned more and am glad that I was optimistic.

I just read an advanced copy of X-Men Forever today. There was no Storm, of course, since she is a bad guy now. It's just a continuation of another sentinel story with a couple of members of the team to confront the threat. Though I enjoy CC's writing very much, I find that I don't really care for an X-Men lineup without Storm and I care less about sentinels. I mean, I won't get to see Storm for two more issues and then it will only be kid Storm. I am unsure as to whether or not I will be sticking with Forever. If I elect to drop that book, it will make BP my only comic save for the upcoming "Necrosha" story arc in X-Force which I am buying for the villain. lol

I think Storm is going to go postal in Doomwar.   8)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 07:54:32 pm
Is Storm doing anything in X-Men? What did she do while they were in San Francisco? The fight between her and Namora doesn't impress me. That's just another superheroine chick fight. And who's bright idea was it to relocate to Asteroid M? Didn't Storm once question X-Factor's decision to have the Ship allow only mutants into itself?

I don't read X-Men anymore, but I would say she isn't doing didly there, hence I don't read it.  ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 13, 2009, 08:26:41 pm
I know that Storm is coming back with a vengeance and the writer that is going to be writing it is a good one.

Would that be before or after she gets kidnapped?

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I saw the solits, I liked them, then I got the word of the writer that Storm is going to be awesome.

What did you think he was going to say? "I still don't know what the hell to do with Storm, so we're going to have her kidnapped. After all, you just can't get enough Shuri!"
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on October 13, 2009, 08:41:22 pm
So Storm would tell him not to have a army (because they are a army) because they are female?


It's a female army that he's keeping from his wife. He could at least give her the heads up that their is a fleet of "wives in training" in the basement ready to whip hers and anyone else's asses for their man. Oh, and he goes down there when he gets pissed off at her. (BP #7?) I'll admit that I was wary of the Dora Milaje from the beginning though.

If I like kid Storm, I will stick with the title, if I don't like her, I will drop the title. I am not sticking around for the every now and then arc where villain, adult Storm shows up to threaten the team.


I'm with you. I also think kid Storm, and even villain Storm could make for very interesting characters.

This is why if I wrote comics I would not even LOOK at fan feedback. EVER.


I know I wouldn't be able to handle it, but I think that is a weakness on my part. If you can read feedback and still write without losing your soul (or your mind) you have a great tool at your disposal.

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I get that some folks are Storm fans first, marriage fans second and B.P. fans third, but dag, the title of the book is still Black Panther last I checked, not Storm and Friends.

Moreover, in story Black Panther is a title than can be lost by its holder. So if TChalla aint Black Panther the story follows the person who is, Princess Regent or a Cop trying to make detective.


See, you act like people are asking for Black Panther to turn into a Storm solo book and that's not the case.  Shuri being chosen as the Panther when Storm, the Storm is hanging around and not being used is my problem. I understand that Shuri's been training for this her whole life, and there's an order, and so on. I get it. I do.

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So JOB ONE for him is payback.  Heck, job one for SHURI as the new Panther is payback but she doesnt know where to look yet. How can you logically have Storm get that payback by herself without undermining everything the Panthers stand for?



I guess you use the same logic that allowed Shuri to be the new Panther over Storm.

I guess on some level I'm like those RO/LO worshippers who believe they will put Storm and Wolverine together one day so they snatch at the bones that Marvel throws them once in a while.


They have a lot of meat since Storm is being kidnapped and rescued by Wolverine. (LOLOLOLOL) Have you ever gotten news so bad that you just laughed out loud because you didn't know what else to do? I swear to God, I feel like somebody is on top of my chest and the air is slowly seeping out of my lungs. (Fellow martial artists will know *exactly* what I mean.)


I took that Wolverine thing with a grain of salt. I assumed they just through his name out there to attract more people when they really mean the X-Men as a whole. He'll be there because he is Wolverine. We both know that whatever the real meaning is the ROLO heads will still see a deeper connection.
I actually like when genuine friendship between Storm and the X-Men, as rare as it is, is shown. One of my favorite moments was in an issue of UXM (460 I'm pretty sure) just before House of M, when Colossus had just come back from the dead. The X-Men were getting into some kind of petty argument when Storm just flew down and gave Colossus a big welcome back hug, and that just shut everybody up.

Doomwar has my attention. I like all the players too. I'm not going to think about it until it starts coming out though. When I read about Storm's execution I had a couple of nightmarish flashes of "Rogue Storm" in UXM 147 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/b/b2/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/b/b2/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg)in that damned loin cloth. Only this time in doggystyle position in a damn guillotine like some freak ass fanboy's wet dream.

I'm a Storm fan. Not a BP fan. He's okay, but I'm only here for the Storm.

 
Let me correct that. Misty Knight and Deadpool are two that I like a lot, but Misty ain't never in anything. I pickup a Deadpool from time to time, but I wouldn't make the trip to the comic store just for him.There are other characters I like, and pay attention to, but not enough to buy their books.

Right now, all I want to do is get my admins/officers straight and get the f*ck out of here for a while.

See you shouldn't have even mentioned that. I refuse to do my part in helping you get your admins straight. Nope! Not doin' it. You gotta stay.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 08:51:00 pm
I know that Storm is coming back with a vengeance and the writer that is going to be writing it is a good one.

Would that be before or after she gets kidnapped?

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I saw the solits, I liked them, then I got the word of the writer that Storm is going to be awesome.

What did you think he was going to say? "I still don't know what the hell to do with Storm, so we're going to have her kidnapped. After all, you just can't get enough Shuri!"

I have a feeling that Storm is not going to just be chained up for the whole story doing nothing until the very end. If Doom is going to kidnap her, she likely isn't going down without a fight. After being captured, she's an expert escape artist and a natural born leader. She may end up busting free on her own and rallying up the other prisoners of Doom to keep the guards busy while she makes her getaway to settle the score with promises to come back for them later. Then you have Storm on trial? We all know that Storm is a very charismatic speaker, very intelligent and indomitably-willed. I'd like to read the dialogue between Storm and Doom for this. She's going to have some insults for him that's going to hit hard at his ego and she's going to take him apart as a person. Also, if she finds out that Doom hurt her husband and you add to the fact that he kidnapped her, she's going to go postal. Either one of these two facts alone would be enough to get her to go to town. I'm just saying we don't know the details of the story and all that Storm is going to be doing there. There are many ways this thing can go.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 09:06:35 pm


Doomwar has my attention. I like all the players too. I'm not going to think about it until it starts coming out though. When I read about Storm's execution I had a couple of nightmarish flashes of "Rogue Storm" in UXM 147 [url]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/b/b2/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg[/url] ([url]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/b/b2/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg/300px-Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_147.jpg[/url])in that damned loin cloth. Only this time in doggystyle position in a damn guillotine like some freak ass fanboy's wet dream.



For new readers who don't know about the "Roguestorm" thing, here goes (feel free to skip if you already know):

it was 1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)


The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...

"RB: Storm next...

Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.


RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?

Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.

Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."

Okay, there is the interview. Now, here is Uncanny 145-147: (The cover of 147 stated "We did it once, dare we do it again," in allusion to the Dark Phoenix Saga.)

As stated in that interview, Storm's powers are equal to Phoenix. However, at that time, Phoenix's powers were tempered by Jean's humanity. Same holds true for Ororo. Her powers are tempered by her humanity. In the case of Phoenix, when Jean's humanity was removed, nothing was there to restrain the power and DP was born. It had near-infinite power, but kept growing and reaching for ultimate power. However, it was stopped before that. DP stated that she had limits still and did not like this. This was before she consumed the star. However, the Watcher let us know  that DP could have attained ultimate power and been second only to the Creator had she kept going and not been stopped.

In the case of Storm, when her humanity was stripped, she also had near-infinite power and was reaching for ultimate power. It was in her grasp. However, she brought herself under control rather than continuining down that mad god road of the DP. Both had the potential to grasp ultimate power in their reach.  Storm simply refused it while Phoenix was stopped before she reached it.

If Storm were to let go of her blocks and delve into her powers and kept reaching for the higher power levels, she would reach ultimate and unlimited power.

We know in Uncanny 165-166 that Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend it to its will. This includes stars, planets, empty space, etc.

Right now, Storm has the power of a goddess, but she is limited to her flesh and blood body. However, as stated in X-Treme issue 5, she will one day transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess.

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Somebody also asked me why Storm sometimes struggles to dispel a hurricane.

Here is the answer to that question:

That is because she holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

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This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem. (However, sometimes she just speaks directly to the storm and commands it to disperse and it does instantly. lol)

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

Now, I did not say this, but there are stories where Ororo alters weather on a HUGE scale. For instance, even before she joined the X-Men, she dispersed a hemisphere-sized hurricane in "X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7." She has altered weather on a continental scale more than once and globally as well.

Storm is reluctant to impose her will on natural hurricanes since that is the natural order of things. She could disperse them, of course, but it could trigger an equally devistating disaster. 




Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on October 13, 2009, 09:06:58 pm
Guys, before anyone actually blows a gasget...here are a few things to consider:

Is the book going to immediately shift back to presenting Storm as a major character before DoomWar?  Sure, but that'll happen in a way that suits the story I'm telling.  I'm drawing on her as an earth goddes, someone whose power to control storms and rain is far more important to the needs of Wakanda than how many goons in spandex she spanks.

Will Storm get to fight? Yes, of course she will.  But at a point in time that is both logical and story appropriate.

Does that means she's a damsel in distress?  That's the sort of thing that might be suggested or believed by fans who don't know who Storm is.  She's not the prisoner of the Three Stoges.  She's the prisoner of Doctor Doom.  And there's something about her physical condition that explains why T'Challa has kept her out of the line of battle.

Will she get to kicks some ass during DoomWar. Oh hell yes.  I'm building some real 'moments' for her when we see what happens when Storm lets out ALL of the stops.  Payback is going to be a bitch.

Is Shuri really the Black Panther?  Yes she damn well is.  She is the title chracter of the book for the present time, and that comes all the way from the top.

Am I happy with that?  Yeah, I am.  It's a challenge,and it allows me to reinvent the character.

And does T'Challa have a good reason for not sharing his Dora Milaje army and for not sharing things with his family?  Yes, and it's a damn good reason, and no I won't tell you untl DoomWar gets started.

Lastly, will the Black Panther and T'Challa be at the center of DoomWar?  That's how we're plottting it,and that's how I'll write it.  But all of the other characters have significant roles.  No one (and that includes Wolverine and Deadpool) are thre for window dressing or as cheap marketing ploys (as has been suggested).  I asked for them (and a few other characters) specifically because they would serve certain key roles; and because they have history with Storm.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 13, 2009, 09:12:16 pm
 ;D

LOL...wow...ok.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 09:13:41 pm
Okay, now that Maberry has clarified Shuri being the true BP (I thought she only symbolized it or something since the BP turned her down and not the real deal- by symbolizing, I thought it meant she put Wakanda and the people before herself and all of that jazz like a true Panther would), I understand more. I don't think Storm should be the BP as she has her own identity. It would also explain why Storm is not queen since she was that through marrige to T'challa. Storm is not going to be wallpaper. I think the book will be a good read.

Storm has a physical condition, hmmm...? I think I know what it is.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on October 13, 2009, 09:24:58 pm
Guys, before anyone actually blows a gasget...here are a few things to consider.....


...

See you in February. I'm back on board.

Two questions.
Can we get BP to go Tri-Monthly so we can get to Doomwar quicker?
and
Can you add Misty Knight to the lineup so I can die happy with my top three in one Arc? She's not busy.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 13, 2009, 09:30:01 pm
Actually, she raises some very good points. I have never contested that and I once harbored the same concerns that plagues her.  I just held hope that Storm will shine and the writer has given his word on that.  This schism between the book's fans is rooted in the fact that Storm has been stripped of her title as queen just because T'challa got hurt and her lack of passion, fire and vengeance about T'challa's attack. By all rights, Storm should be the one ruling Wakanda now. I mean, one would expect that if T'challa were to somehow be rendered incapacitated, his wife and queen, Storm, would step in to take over leadership (as queen, she should have a hand in the leadership even with T'challa in full health). It would only be natural. One would also expect that she would retain her role as the country's protector. I don't think Storm should be left out as she has been and she is being written out-of-character right now. That trademark fire and passion is missing. She should be on the case about T'challa's attacker. She and Shuri should be working together with Storm handling things domestically and Shuri doing the leg work abroad. This is what I would have liked to see, but who knows, what may turn out may be something better than I could have imagined. That said, the writing is very good and we are going to start seeing some Storm action soon.

What is up with this bullsh*t about Storm becoming the head ruler of Wakanda? Did you all think Wakandans are like sheep just because they have a monarchy? I agree that she should be pressing to know who attacked T'Challa, but she can't replace T'Challa as Black Panther. Ororo already declined the role. Her reason may have been old-fashioned, but many Africans still have some old-fashioned beliefs. Storm is no different in that regard. There is no reason why Wakanda should share modern Western ideas just because they're more advanced.

Storm is not qualified to run a country anymore than she can really become the queen of Kenya - which is a REPUBLIC! At best she could serve as a figurehead. But T'Challa's uncle and Queen mother Ramonda would still be making the big decisions. They're more experienced and respected nationally. They know the people better. The domestic issues that have been discussed on Wakandan TV are examples of the problems Storm cannot answer. She's never had to deal with a national economy or the daily welfare of millions. I doubt readers even want to see her deal with issues anyway. Her answer would be like Marie Antoinette's "why don't they just eat cake?" remark. >:(
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 13, 2009, 09:37:15 pm
Guys, before anyone actually blows a gasket

Too late.

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...here are a few things to consider:

Is the book going to immediately shift back to presenting Storm as a major character before DoomWar?  Sure, but that'll happen in a way that suits the story I'm telling.  I'm drawing on her as an earth goddes, someone whose power to control storms and rain is far more important to the needs of Wakanda than how many goons in spandex she spanks.

Good. So far storms have been unkind to Africa this past season.

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Will Storm get to fight? Yes, of course she will.  But at a point in time that is both logical and story appropriate.

Does that means she's a damsel in distress?  That's the sort of thing that might be suggested or believed by fans who don't know who Storm is.  She's not the prisoner of the Three Stoges.  She's the prisoner of Doctor Doom.  And there's something about her physical condition that explains why T'Challa has kept her out of the line of battle.

Will she get to kicks some ass during DoomWar. Oh hell yes.  I'm building some real 'moments' for her when we see what happens when Storm lets out ALL of the stops.  Payback is going to be a bitch.

I'll hold you to it.

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Is Shuri really the Black Panther?  Yes she damn well is.  She is the title chracter of the book for the present time, and that comes all the way from the top.

Am I happy with that?  Yeah, I am.  It's a challenge,and it allows me to reinvent the character.

And does T'Challa have a good reason for not sharing his Dora Milaje army and for not sharing things with his family?  Yes, and it's a damn good reason, and no I won't tell you untl DoomWar gets started.

Lastly, will the Black Panther and T'Challa be at the center of DoomWar?  That's how we're plottting it,and that's how I'll write it.  But all of the other characters have significant roles.  No one (and that includes Wolverine and Deadpool) are thre for window dressing or as cheap marketing ploys (as has been suggested).  I asked for them (and a few other characters) specifically because they would serve certain key roles; and because they have history with Storm.

I don't give two sh*ts about Deadpool. But if they can bring the hurt down on Doom, go for it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 09:42:06 pm
Actually, she raises some very good points. I have never contested that and I once harbored the same concerns that plagues her.  I just held hope that Storm will shine and the writer has given his word on that.  This schism between the book's fans is rooted in the fact that Storm has been stripped of her title as queen just because T'challa got hurt and her lack of passion, fire and vengeance about T'challa's attack. By all rights, Storm should be the one ruling Wakanda now. I mean, one would expect that if T'challa were to somehow be rendered incapacitated, his wife and queen, Storm, would step in to take over leadership (as queen, she should have a hand in the leadership even with T'challa in full health). It would only be natural. One would also expect that she would retain her role as the country's protector. I don't think Storm should be left out as she has been and she is being written out-of-character right now. That trademark fire and passion is missing. She should be on the case about T'challa's attacker. She and Shuri should be working together with Storm handling things domestically and Shuri doing the leg work abroad. This is what I would have liked to see, but who knows, what may turn out may be something better than I could have imagined. That said, the writing is very good and we are going to start seeing some Storm action soon.

What is up with this bullsh*t about Storm becoming the head ruler of Wakanda? Did you all think Wakandans are like sheep just because they have a monarchy? I agree that she should be pressing to know who attacked T'Challa, but she can't replace T'Challa as Black Panther. Ororo already declined the role. Her reason may have been old-fashioned, but many Africans still have some old-fashioned beliefs. Storm is no different in that regard. There is no reason why Wakanda should share modern Western ideas just because they're more advanced.

Storm is not qualified to run a country anymore than she can really become the queen of Kenya - which is a REPUBLIC! At best she could serve as a figurehead. But T'Challa's uncle and Queen mother Ramonda would still be making the big decisions. They're more experienced and respected nationally. They know the people better. The domestic issues that have been discussed on Wakandan TV are examples of the problems Storm cannot answer. She's never had to deal with a national economy or the daily welfare of millions. I doubt readers even want to see her deal with issues anyway. Her answer would be like Marie Antoinette's "why don't they just eat cake?" remark. >:(


First off, the Marie Antoinette thing is just too far. lol! Also, all rulers have advisors. I was not really swayed either way about Storm becoming the new BP and I thought it would only be a stand-in or a cover to hide from the country T'challa's true condition. Remember how it was kept hush hush? She has her own identity. However, I thought Storm would be ruling while somebody played dress up with the BP role while the real panther, T'challa was healing. I was a little confused with Shuri and the whole BP thing since Bast turned her away. I could respond to your comment about Storm's qualifications by asking about Shuri's leadership experience, however, now that Maberry clarified the whole Shuri/BP thing, its a moot point. The Wakandan culture is established that it is always ruled by a Black Panther. So, whoever is the BP rules the country. While you say that Storm lacks the qualifications to rule a country, it would be a doubt the Wakandans would share. It would be a huge challenge for Storm and she may prove to have the goods to do a heck-of-a job. Who knows? It would be awesome for character growth to see her wrestle with it, however, the book is Black Panther. Since T'challa is no longer that, Storm is no longer queen. Since Shuri is the Black Panther, then Storm is no longer a ruler.

For the sake of trivia, Storm is a true african princess by birth. Her mother was an african princess.  ;)
Of course, that may be why you made the comment.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on October 13, 2009, 09:51:09 pm
Shuri has proven her qualifications and her willingness to lead her country. She was raised there. She got her considerable education there. She knows more about Wakanda than Ororo. Those facts are undisputable.

We always wanted the Panther God to have a more legitimate role in Wakanda's culture. Giving his approval to Shuri should be good enough.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 13, 2009, 09:59:17 pm
Shuri has proven her qualifications and her willingness to lead her country. She was raised there. She got her considerable education there. She knows more about Wakanda than Ororo. Those facts are undisputable.

We always wanted the Panther God to have a more legitimate role in Wakanda's culture. Giving his approval to Shuri should be good enough.

Where did Bast give her approval of Shuri? I don't recall seeing that. I'll have to go back through my issues. You do realize that your arguments can be turned back upon you, right? For instance, the Queen Mother and the uncle would have more experience and knowledge than Shuri same as you claim that Shuri has more qualifications than Storm. Also, Shuri has never proven her qualifications hence her mother has always had reservations about her. She's going right now through the proverbial trial by fire. Shuri and everyone was surprised when Ororo turned down the opportunity to become the new BP. This tells me the royal family have faith in Storm and would have backed her. Lets not forget that Storm was willing to sacrifice her life for T'challa because she knew that the people needed him. She was willing to give up everything for her country.

She may know more about Wakanda than Ororo, but Storm can surround herself with advisors to tell her what she needs to make informed decisions and use her own good judgement. She would have had the people's best interest at heart hence she was willing to sacrifice her life for T'challa out of love for him and their people.  Who knows, she may prove to be a better ruler than you give her credit for. Anyway, the point is moot. Shuri is the true BP now and that trumps all.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 14, 2009, 04:22:49 am
Where did Bast give her approval of Shuri?

I think that was the whole Black Panther "you'll never be BP - HAHAHASIKE!!!" thing.

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Since T'challa is no longer that, Storm is no longer queen.

King != Black Panther. Otherwise, either S'yan would've been king. When T'Chaka died, T'Challa became king. Somehow, S'yan (I think?) became BP. T'Challa beat T'Chaka in that Kick My Ass and Become BP tournament at the beginning of BP #1. I-l-l-o-g-i-c-a-l.

Too late.

Lulz @ "questioning illogical storytelling" = "blowing a gasket". Of course, lulz @ "because I said so", too. If I told you the sky was green, would you trust me to teach your child science? And if so, how can I exploit your blind faith to my financial advantage?  ;D

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What is up with this bullsh*t about Storm becoming the head ruler of Wakanda?

Uhh...that's usually what a queen does when a king has to step down. That's how that whole monarchy thing works. Whether somebody is "ready" or not doesn't matter - and neither T'Challa nor the Panther God would've given approval to Storm if she wasn't "ready". Illogical. I-l-l-o-g-i-c-a-l. Call it whatever you want, but when something doesn't make sense, people have the right to question.

Recall call that I never really cared if Storm became BP or not. Shuri can be BP until she drops dead, for all I care. Storm is the reason why Shuri IS Black Panther! Good for Shuri! I LIKE seeing Storm support her sis-in-law. I just wish I knew why she's doing it. But the fact is Maberry had no idea what to do with Storm while pushing up Shuri and/or had no idea how that whole Black Panther thing worked, so Storm was disposed. Either admit it was a mistake, or admit that this is a reBOOT, not a reLAUNCH. That way, we can throw out all of the Hudlin run (which will thrill the haters!) and start all over. Again.

And IIRC, Storm's mother was a *tribal* princess. There is no king/queen of Kenya. I always hated that African princess crap. Geez, Marvel, get a world government book.

(Wait a minute...this isn't BEGINNING until February? How long IS this arc, anyway?)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on October 14, 2009, 04:55:09 am
The POWER arc is 6 issues long and will conclude with #12.

To clarify: Shuri is the Panther because she was accepted by the Panther God.  It's explained in Reggie's last issue (read the concluding pages).  She didn't become Panther or ruler simply because T'Challa had to step down.  Wakanda doesn't rule by order of succession.  It's a 'right to rule' monarchy determined by physical challenge and/or the approval of the Panther God.  Shuri was rejected at first because of her arrogance; however her decision to sacrifice her life to lure Morlun into a trap won her the approval of the Panther God.  It was this approval that Morlun sensed, and it's why he pursued her so vigorously.  It's all there in the last couple of issues of Reggie's run.

Shuri is the Black Panther by right, and that makes her the ruler of Wakanda.

Whether she continues in that role, or if T'Challa reclaims his position, will very likely be determined in DoomWar.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 14, 2009, 05:24:29 am
 ;D'


Ok, Doomwar seems pretty epic to me.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on October 14, 2009, 07:30:28 am
I way I read it was that Syan became King/B.P. after TChakas death. TChalla beat Syan in the annual kingship tournament years later.

This simply was to answer the question of who exactly was running Wakanda after Tchaka died and before Tchalla came of age. We do know that Ramonda wasnt running Wakanda.

Hudlin/Mayberry played it that Black Panther=Equals Ruler of Wakanda. Priest has them as two different things. This started with Priest but it wasnt Stan and Jacks original concept either.

It is interesting to me that Hudlin/Mayberry went back to the original concept cause Reg writes like somewhat like Kirby did i.e. action first and Mayberry somewhat writes like Priest.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 14, 2009, 07:47:44 am
I way I read it was that Syan became King/B.P. after TChakas death. TChalla beat Syan in the annual kingship tournament years later.

This simply was to answer the question of who exactly was running Wakanda after Tchaka died and before Tchalla came of age. We do know that Ramonda wasnt running Wakanda.

Then how did S'yan become BP/king, I wonder. I also wonder how many years it was b/t Syan and T'Challa. I've never heard S'yan be referred to as a king at all, ever. Not to say he wasn't one, just that it's odd that we never heard of it before now. (Or maybe I missed it somewhere.) Or maybe he was some kind of interim king, like FAMU had a couple of interim presidents when I was there.

One of the coolest things about having a Wakanda wiki would be to write out the line of succession, which I think now is:

T'Chaka ==> S'yan (?) ==> T'Challa ==> Shuri

Somebody wiser than me put it best: "Queen, princess...who cares? When it's all said and done, she'll still be in a box, probably watching TV." When I look at it like that, it's easy to let the whole thing go.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 14, 2009, 08:30:54 am
I way I read it was that Syan became King/B.P. after TChakas death. TChalla beat Syan in the annual kingship tournament years later.

This simply was to answer the question of who exactly was running Wakanda after Tchaka died and before Tchalla came of age. We do know that Ramonda wasnt running Wakanda.

Hudlin/Mayberry played it that Black Panther=Equals Ruler of Wakanda. Priest has them as two different things. This started with Priest but it wasnt Stan and Jacks original concept either.

It is interesting to me that Hudlin/Mayberry went back to the original concept cause Reg writes like somewhat like Kirby did i.e. action first and Mayberry somewhat writes like Priest.


spot on.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 14, 2009, 08:33:24 am
Anyhow, the arc after Doomwar:

I would have her(Storm) be Pregnant, and Doom then accelerates her pregnancy... she has the children (Twins)then Doom takes (hides) the twins to the future (one male who looks just like Storm and one female). Storm would go Rogue-StormTchalla would then kick Dooms  ass in a epic duel...but does not kill himthen Doom tells him that they are somewhere in the futureand the Next arc would be them (T'challa, Storm) searching the time stream for the children that the Watcher said was going to be very important to mankinds future. They form a teamwhich is lead by Storm and BP.  ;D

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on October 14, 2009, 09:10:08 am
I way I read it was that Syan became King/B.P. after TChakas death. TChalla beat Syan in the annual kingship tournament years later.

This simply was to answer the question of who exactly was running Wakanda after Tchaka died and before Tchalla came of age. We do know that Ramonda wasnt running Wakanda.

Then how did S'yan become BP/king, I wonder. I also wonder how many years it was b/t Syan and T'Challa. I've never heard S'yan be referred to as a king at all, ever. Not to say he wasn't one, just that it's odd that we never heard of it before now. (Or maybe I missed it somewhere.) Or maybe he was some kind of interim king, like FAMU had a couple of interim presidents when I was there.

One of the coolest things about having a Wakanda wiki would be to write out the line of succession, which I think now is:

T'Chaka ==> S'yan (?) ==> T'Challa ==> Shuri

Somebody wiser than me put it best: "Queen, princess...who cares? When it's all said and done, she'll still be in a box, probably watching TV." When I look at it like that, it's easy to let the whole thing go.

I dont know how Syan got to be king. Mainly by not having been killed by Klaw, Id guess.

But I do remember Syans son (the guy who got killed by the cannibal) was somewhat resentful of Tchalla(its the reason why he got sent to the New York embassy-to keep him out of trouble).  You got a flashback of him sparring with TChalla as a kid saying hes gonna be the king one day and TChalla telling him to keep dreaming. He must have thought he had a legitimate shot at the throne thru his father. Otherwise what was he taking about?

I guess Syan was running things until TChalla (and his unlucky son) came of age.

Storm (to get this thread back on topic) is in the exact same position now that Ramonda was in after TChaka got offed. Only they managed to save TChalla. Shuri is now in the position Syan was in then (except we know she undertook the trials for Pantherhood-we dont know WHAT Syan did-we do know that failing the Panther trials=death so Syan might have just said eff it).

None of this takes Zuri into account but by it looks like even the Wakandans knew not to put his crazy ass anywhere near any political power. And it looks like that arrangement was fine with him.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 14, 2009, 09:18:48 am
Storm (to get this thread back on topic) is in the exact same position now that Ramonda was in after TChaka got offed.

Wait, that can't be right, because T'Chaka is dead. I think Shuri is in the position T'Challa was once in (as Black Panther). I think Storm is still in the position Ramonda was in, we have no S'yan, Ramonda is still Queen Mother, and Storm is...watching TV.

Quote
(we do know that failing the Panther trials=death so Syan might have just said eff it).

But Shuri didn't die, either. And Zuri...ah, fuhgedaboutit. Shuri is the Black Panther - which is fine - but I'll rot in hell before I ever call her the queen of anything.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on October 14, 2009, 09:41:42 am
Shuri didnt die because of her failure because the Panther God was playing head games with her. Even the Witch Doctor Guy expressed surprise at her survival after her alleged failure.

Shuri didnt fail her test outright.

The Panther God gave her a chance. If her intentions hadnt changed(from selfishness to selflessness) she would not have gained the power and Morlun would have offed her AND TChalla. It wasnt until Morlun sensed that the B.P. power had changed hands that he stopped stalking him.

This is the only reason why Tchalla wasnt killed btw. Shuri has to gain the power (and TChalla had to LOSE it)first in order to lead Morlun away. Its the POWER Morlun wanted to eat. He didnt give a flip WHO had it.     
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 14, 2009, 10:34:37 am
...

Okay.

Does anybody know when OMGOMGOMGDOOOOOOOMWAR!!!!! is going to be over? I know it starts Feb 2010, but when is the last issue? In other words, what is the first month of the arc after OMGOMGOMGDOOOOOOOMWAR!!!!!?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 14, 2009, 11:02:44 am
It's 5 issues...so I think June.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on October 14, 2009, 12:53:00 pm
And...just for the record, I'm not calling Shuri 'queen' either.  A 'princess regent' has an entirely different meaning.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on October 14, 2009, 05:38:39 pm
Honestly I can take Shuri as the Panther a lot easier than I can as Leader of the Nation. And the whole Rampage Jackson could be King of Wakanda  on a good night thing  was always stupid to me. It's always been part of the narrative of Wakanda  and always been dumb.And if the Queen loses her throne and power simply because the King is dead or incapacitated sounds like the worst of patriarchy from such a supposed enlightened Nation. It has always been part of the legacy but sometimes a Nation realizes it needs to change.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 14, 2009, 07:59:22 pm
But Queen isn't removed from her position because of her husband is dead or incapacitated; she is removed because she can't or chooses not to replace her husband as BP.  For example, if Storm became BP, she'd still be the ruling Queen,  And in that senerio, if Doom kills Storm, T'challa would only remain king if he becomes BP again.  It isn't about a patriarchal system; it is actually a theocrasy; the church is the state/state is the church.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 14, 2009, 09:04:52 pm
And...just for the record, I'm not calling Shuri 'queen' either.  A 'princess regent' has an entirely different meaning.


(http://i34.tinypic.com/5vrtog.jpg)

Much obliged to my road dawg Kati for the scan.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 15, 2009, 05:09:53 am
But Queen isn't removed from her position because of her husband is dead or incapacitated; she is removed because she can't or chooses not to replace her husband as BP.  For example, if Storm became BP, she'd still be the ruling Queen,  And in that senerio, if Doom kills Storm, T'challa would only remain king if he becomes BP again.  It isn't about a patriarchal system; it is actually a theocrasy; the church is the state/state is the church.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 15, 2009, 05:17:37 am
And...just for the record, I'm not calling Shuri 'queen' either.  A 'princess regent' has an entirely different meaning.


([url]http://i34.tinypic.com/5vrtog.jpg[/url])

Much obliged to my road dawg Kati for the scan.


Yeah, I reread the issue and saw that. Shuri being Shuri. maybe that is the first step to T'challa getting the title back. ;D

Anyhow on another topic.
The is a huge flame war on CBR in a few different threads about Storm being preggers. ;D I admit I am the cause of it...I'm following Mr. Hudlin's motto, controversy is good.  Black Panther topics are on the front page of the Mavel section. If that happends(being prego), It would create a lot of talk, and put BP out there.

That topic (Doomwar) has far more post then the other events that were announced.

Everyone is talking about the book, and characters. Passionately. That is pretty awesome...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: CKW on October 15, 2009, 07:37:52 am
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The is a huge flame war on CBR in a few different threads about Storm being preggers.  I admit I am the cause of it.

warmonger  ;)   You got one poster over there on the verge of hyperventilating and passing out over her keyboard.

Still, Storm is okay. I've seen Ororo get face palmed by Apocalypse when she could have done a thousand different things to drop him and I've seen her captured and experimented on by Brainchild all for the sake of the story.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 15, 2009, 08:27:20 am
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The is a huge flame war on CBR in a few different threads about Storm being preggers.  I admit I am the cause of it.

warmonger  ;)
;D

I mean, really I was just busting balls, but after reading the haters comments. It actually makes me want them to have one. Just to see them go crazy...hehee
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on October 15, 2009, 08:52:45 am
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The is a huge flame war on CBR in a few different threads about Storm being preggers.  I admit I am the cause of it.

warmonger  ;)
;D

I mean, really I was just busting balls, but after reading the haters comments. It actually makes me want them to have one. Just to see them go crazy...hehee

Everybody run over there and argue with idiots you'll never agree with over made up characters ::)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Princesa on October 15, 2009, 08:55:32 am
But Queen isn't removed from her position because of her husband is dead or incapacitated; she is removed because she can't or chooses not to replace her husband as BP.  For example, if Storm became BP, she'd still be the ruling Queen,  And in that senerio, if Doom kills Storm, T'challa would only remain king if he becomes BP again.  It isn't about a patriarchal system; it is actually a theocrasy; the church is the state/state is the church.

So just call her First Lady and not Queen because all her clout is ceremonial. And since this is a comic book and this aspect is dumb it should be changed.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on October 15, 2009, 08:55:45 am
I've seen her captured and experimented on by Brainchild all for the sake of the story.


Thanks for bringing back that bad memory, CKW. I appreciate the hives.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on October 19, 2009, 09:31:40 am
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_MEN_FOREVER_15.jpg)

X-MEN FOREVER #15 & 16
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by PETER VALE (#15) & TBA (#16)
Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
GREAT JUMPING ON POINT…the fate of PERFECT STORM! The last time we saw Storm, she was fleeing from the X-Men, having blinded Sabretooth and killed Logan. Now, we turn our focus to Wakanda to see what became of the evil clone of the woman that the X-Men loved and trusted. ALSO: new two-part story starting with Issue 16 as CHRIS CLAREMONT continues his landmark run on X-MEN FOREVER! Don’t miss a single panel! Plus, an extra feature detailing a timeline of what other Marvel Universe stories were occurring during the current X-Men Forever saga!
#15 - 40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99
#16 - 32 PGS./Rated A …$3.99
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2009, 09:48:43 am
Fill me in on what goes down when this comes out.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stormwatcher on October 19, 2009, 01:37:42 pm


X-MEN FOREVER #15 & 16
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by PETER VALE (#15) & TBA (#16)
Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
GREAT JUMPING ON POINTthe fate of PERFECT STORM! The last time we saw Storm, she was fleeing from the X-Men, having blinded Sabretooth and killed Logan. Now, we turn our focus to Wakanda to see what became of the evil clone of the woman that the X-Men loved and trusted.


?????????WHAT IS THIS ABOUT??????????????????
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 19, 2009, 01:47:32 pm
Killing T'challa and destroying Wakanda.  >:(

I'm betting that's what it's about.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: moneyspider on October 19, 2009, 02:22:58 pm
Killing T'challa and destroying Wakanda.  >:(

I'm betting that's what it's about.

Even if that does happen in Claremont's X-Men Forever, it won't be in continuity (thankfully). If it were, we'd definitely have a fight on our hands.

I hope I can remember to check that issue out to see what happens.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 19, 2009, 11:25:54 pm
CHRIS CLAREMONT


(http://i43.tinypic.com/6qiivd.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on October 20, 2009, 06:56:13 am
CHRIS CLAREMONT


([url]http://i43.tinypic.com/6qiivd.jpg[/url])

LOL, I feel you.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on October 20, 2009, 12:36:06 pm
Astonishing X-Men #32 preview

http://comics.ign.com/articles/103/1036817p1.html
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: moneyspider on October 20, 2009, 02:35:36 pm
I cannot wait for the day when Storm starts appearing on almost every X-Men cover (along with her appearances on Black Panther comic book covers).
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on October 20, 2009, 02:36:17 pm
([url]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_MEN_FOREVER_15.jpg[/url])

X-MEN FOREVER #15 & 16
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by PETER VALE (#15) & TBA (#16)
Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
GREAT JUMPING ON POINTthe fate of PERFECT STORM! The last time we saw Storm, she was fleeing from the X-Men, having blinded Sabretooth and killed Logan. Now, we turn our focus to Wakanda to see what became of the evil clone of the woman that the X-Men loved and trusted. ALSO: new two-part story starting with Issue 16 as CHRIS CLAREMONT continues his landmark run on X-MEN FOREVER! Dont miss a single panel! Plus, an extra feature detailing a timeline of what other Marvel Universe stories were occurring during the current X-Men Forever saga!
#15 - 40 PGS./Rated A $3.99
#16 - 32 PGS./Rated A $3.99


I guess the fact that that's the worst costume she's ever had is how we know she's evil now.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on October 20, 2009, 02:38:24 pm
X-Men Vs Agents of Atlas #2 preview

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DisneyandMarvel/news/?a=10827
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 20, 2009, 03:29:57 pm
I guess the fact that that's the worst costume she's ever had is how we know she's evil now.


Oh, we've seen MUCH uglier than that.

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7666/418155-AX_Sketchbook_Special_012_large.jpg)

(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/storm-bigcostume4.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 20, 2009, 06:00:59 pm
I kindof like it; not the bare part of the legs and it doesn't fit Storm's look.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BBeeryan on October 21, 2009, 07:22:46 am
I'll admit I do wanna read this. I always wondered what a villian Storm was capable of.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on October 29, 2009, 08:00:56 pm
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/ororo1.jpg)

As the young Ororo wanders through a difficult childhood, Xavier comes to her rescue and brings her to his school to help her develop personally, mentally and mutant-ly.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/ororo2.jpg)

A few different concept ideas were inked before creating the final Strom. Here we have an early concept which didn’t end up becoming the Ororo we see in "Wolverine and the X-Men."

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/ororo3.jpg)

When Storm's mutant power to control weather patterns over limited areas emerged, she was worshipped as a goddess by tribes on the Serengeti Plain.

http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.10080.Animation_Exclusive~colon~_WXM_Storm
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on October 29, 2009, 08:01:42 pm
CHRIS CLAREMONT


([url]http://i43.tinypic.com/6qiivd.jpg[/url])


 ;D  :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on October 29, 2009, 09:52:35 pm
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3723&disp=table
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 29, 2009, 11:19:03 pm


When Storm's mutant power to control weather patterns over limited areas emerged, she was worshipped as a goddess by tribes on the Serengeti Plain.

[url]http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.10080.Animation_Exclusive~colon~_WXM_Storm[/url]


I hate when that is written about Storm. She has controlled weather on a contential, hemisphere and global scale on several occassions and even has some cosmic feats.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BBeeryan on October 30, 2009, 07:30:05 am


When Storm's mutant power to control weather patterns over limited areas emerged, she was worshipped as a goddess by tribes on the Serengeti Plain.

[url]http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.10080.Animation_Exclusive~colon~_WXM_Storm[/url]


I hate when that is written about Storm. She has controlled weather on a contential, hemisphere and global scale on several occassions and even has some cosmic feats.

You aint the only one that hates when they deliberately put that in Storm's bio. And I love your enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: blkyoda on October 30, 2009, 03:58:39 pm
([url]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_MEN_FOREVER_15.jpg[/url])

X-MEN FOREVER #15 & 16
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by PETER VALE (#15) & TBA (#16)
Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
GREAT JUMPING ON POINTthe fate of PERFECT STORM! The last time we saw Storm, she was fleeing from the X-Men, having blinded Sabretooth and killed Logan. Now, we turn our focus to Wakanda to see what became of the evil clone of the woman that the X-Men loved and trusted. ALSO: new two-part story starting with Issue 16 as CHRIS CLAREMONT continues his landmark run on X-MEN FOREVER! Dont miss a single panel! Plus, an extra feature detailing a timeline of what other Marvel Universe stories were occurring during the current X-Men Forever saga!
#15 - 40 PGS./Rated A $3.99
#16 - 32 PGS./Rated A $3.99


I guess the fact that that's the worst costume she's ever had is how we know she's evil now.


So much for Claremont ignoring the Wakanda connection. I can't remember when Storm ever travelled to Wakanda in his run on the comic. Things change.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 30, 2009, 04:53:32 pm
I love how he just ignored the time line of the Bride arc and wrote his own rambling mess for the annual-with-a-little-a. I tell myself that Claremont is an OG and just doesn't give a f*ck because that's the only way I can convince myself that he's not completely senile.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 30, 2009, 06:21:54 pm
Just read Ellis' first storyline on Astonishing.  Glad I waited for library version.  Besides making Storm weaker than my take on Storm (which I admit is weaker than Rutog's), did it sound to you like he didn't care for the marriage?  She's bored????????
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on October 30, 2009, 06:57:24 pm
Is that the series where she's pouring her heart out to Emma Frost, who tells her to shut up, which makes Storm happy?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 30, 2009, 07:19:19 pm
Yup and that's my point exactly. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on October 30, 2009, 08:58:25 pm
Just read Ellis' first storyline on Astonishing.  Glad I waited for library version.  Besides making Storm weaker than my take on Storm (which I admit is weaker than Rutog's), did it sound to you like he didn't care for the marriage?  She's bored????????

Storm was conceived with having the power of a goddess and has been given feats to back it up. I merely bring that out for people to see in case they are not aware of it. There is canon enough that establishes sufficient power levels for the character (and even greater power potential) that a writer can justifiably have her beat anyone she needs to beat in a fight.

Is that the series where she's pouring her heart out to Emma Frost, who tells her to shut up, which makes Storm happy?

Hence I don't read the title.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: blkyoda on October 31, 2009, 05:14:29 pm
Just read Ellis' first storyline on Astonishing.  Glad I waited for library version.  Besides making Storm weaker than my take on Storm (which I admit is weaker than Rutog's), did it sound to you like he didn't care for the marriage?  She's bored????????

Storm was conceived with having the power of a goddess and has been given feats to back it up. I merely bring that out for people to see in case they are not aware of it. There is canon enough that establishes sufficient power levels for the character (and even greater power potential) that a writer can justifiably have her beat anyone she needs to beat in a fight.

Is that the series where she's pouring her heart out to Emma Frost, who tells her to shut up, which makes Storm happy?

Hence I don't read the title.

I didn't take it nearly as negatively. Storm spent as much time insulting the White Queen - it was nice seeing someone put Emma in her place.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on November 01, 2009, 08:47:11 am
Understandable, but to see Storm telling a room full of people that "guilt free shopping and constant lovemaking can be so boring" just rubbed me the wrong way. That's kind of harsh, number one. Number two, around that time, there was the World Tour arc, the F4 run and the freaking Skrull Invasion. Storm must have been making love in her mind or something. Do comic writers actually read the comic their guest star is in BEFORE they start writing?  Number three, that's something I can't see Storm saying to *anybody*, except for Jean and maaaaaaybe Logan (but probably not). To me, it was just disrespectful and felt like a jab at the marriage. I *do* think Bianchi draws a beautiful Storm, though, and her eyes are closer to the color I always thought they would be in real life, not that ghastly swap meet blue.
Title: Storm and Black Panther's love
Post by: Tahdigga on November 06, 2009, 01:16:05 am
I thought I would post some links and images for those who are unaware or new to T'Challa and Storm's history or they
just hate on them for no reason ::)

Black Panther/Storm Nuptials Detailed (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/8130.html)

Claremont wrote the first meeting of BP and Storm in Marvel Team-Up #100 and also mentioned their relationship and love in Uncanny X-Men Annual #5. Priest, who had a plan for Storm to marry BP a few years back, wrote them in BP #26. Eric Jerome Dickey expanded on their first meeting in the Storm miniseries, Pete Milligan and Reginald Hudlin write the crossover WILD KINGDOM in X-Men #175-176 and Black Panther (vol 4) #8-9, Claremont returns to write the prelude to the wedding in Uncanny X-Men Annual #1, Hudlin then writes the countdown to the wedding in Black Panther numbers 14 through 17, ultimately having the beautiful couple marry in issue 18.


Marvel Team-Up #100


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup2.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup3.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup4.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup5.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup6.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup7.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup8.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup9.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/teamup10.jpg)




At the end of Uncanny X-Men Annual #5 Chris Claremont writes about how Storm's thoughts drift back to her youth, being in love with Prince TChalla and how his duty took him away

(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/uncannyannual5.jpg)

(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/uncannyxmenannual05pagewd5.jpg)



Priest's Black Panther Vol. 2 #26 from 2000




(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/blackpantherStorm1.jpg)

(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/bpstorm1.jpg)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/tprieststorm02.jpg)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/tprieststorm05.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/2ce1aae.png)
  
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/tprieststorm07.jpg)



Eric Jerome Dickey's Storm

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/storm-hc.jpg)




Pete Milligan's X-Men #175-176 and Reginald Hudlin's Black Panther (vol 4) #8-9: Wild Kingdom crossover


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/1045583-xmn_super.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/8-1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/176-1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/9-1.jpg)



Claremont's Uncanny X-Men Annual #1


(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/cover-1.jpg)




Hudlin's Black Panther #14-17


(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/14-1.jpg)


(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/15-1.jpg)


(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/16-1.jpg)


(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/17-1.jpg)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/hudcouple07.jpg)




Hudlin's Black Panther #18


(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/574/111111-11502-108675-1-black-panther_super.jpg)


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/BP18wraparoundcover.jpg)




Title: Storm becomes leader!
Post by: Tahdigga on November 06, 2009, 02:32:43 am
Storm vs Cyclops part 1

A powerless Storm fights Cyclops for leadership of the X-men.

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5302/600377-x_men_201_12_super.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight1-1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight3.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight4.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight5.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight6.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight7.jpg)



Title: Storm kicks a**!
Post by: Tahdigga on November 06, 2009, 03:03:14 am
Storm vs Cyclops part 2

Storm's rematch with a Shadow King possessed Cyclops. Guess who wins again...lol ;)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/XMWA004COV_col_large.jpg)



(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/stormwa.jpg)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/stormwa1.jpg)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/brownfox59/stormwa2.jpg)


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight1-2.jpg)


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight2.jpg)


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight3-1.jpg)


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l251/tahdigga/stormfight4-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on November 08, 2009, 08:34:01 am
 ;D Thanks for that Tah!  It's been a while since I read that batttle between Cyke and Storm. That hardcore damn near cold-blooded Storm always has a place in my heart. :D

I love that World's Apart mini. Especially where she fought the DM, and her speech to the shadow king "if everyone I love is in danger... I'll save everyone." hell yeah!

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on November 08, 2009, 11:56:00 pm
;D Thanks for that Tah!  It's been a while since I read that batttle between Cyke and Storm. That hardcore damn near cold-blooded Storm always has a place in my heart. :D

I love that World's Apart mini. Especially where she fought the DM, and her speech to the shadow king "if everyone I love is in danger... I'll save everyone." hell yeah!





(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/9111s.gif)

Cool! I'm glad you like it. I thought it needed to be posted, because some Marvel fans forget who's best suited to lead the X-men with or without powers.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wakandan561 on November 09, 2009, 08:47:32 am
They Need to do a "WHAT IF?" Where Storm became The Black Panther!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on November 09, 2009, 01:57:33 pm
Not a chance.  Storm is Storm.

Besides, there are enough people wearing the Panther mantle right now.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 09, 2009, 02:17:19 pm
Forget that...have her join the DM sisterhood ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on November 09, 2009, 02:18:20 pm
Hell no...although it's highly likely a contingent of them will work for her.  It'll be interesting to explore how Storm would train them.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 09, 2009, 02:52:12 pm
That would be nice.  ;D

Rutog would love you forever. lol
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on November 09, 2009, 04:40:35 pm
Not sure who Rutog is, but I hope a lot of folks like what I'll be doing with the Dora Milaje.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 09, 2009, 09:46:08 pm
Not sure who Rutog is, but I hope a lot of folks like what I'll be doing with the Dora Milaje.

I'm Rutog!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BarbaraB on November 10, 2009, 01:33:13 am
Not sure who Rutog is, but I hope a lot of folks like what I'll be doing with the Dora Milaje.

I'm Rutog!

 
Ya better ask somebody! No, seriously. Rutog knows more about storm than anyone at marvel ( I'd bet money on it), and is respected for keeping HEFF informed about all things ( and I do mean all) things Storm. That is why this thread is forty pages long. lol and that's about all we know!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 10, 2009, 05:32:18 am
Not sure who Rutog is, but I hope a lot of folks like what I'll be doing with the Dora Milaje.

I'm Rutog!

 
Ya better ask somebody! No, seriously. Rutog knows more about storm than anyone at marvel ( I'd bet money on it), and is respected for keeping HEFF informed about all things ( and I do mean all) things Storm. That is why this thread is forty pages long. lol and that's about all we know!

Spot on. Mr. M...just look at this thread, dude is the Storm expert on the net. The Storm expert period, out of every comic site and board the has all this knowledge of the character.

Storm training with/ or training DM is a awesome feat that would be welcome to Storm fans.

To me Feats = the first step toward A-list.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: jonathanmaberry on November 10, 2009, 07:27:03 am
Sorry....don't know everyone's name here yet.  Glad to meet you, Rutog!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: moneyspider on November 10, 2009, 02:32:47 pm
Hey Rutog...um...I've heard that you are the Storm expert around these parts...so, uh...what exactly did Storm say about the Black Panther in the latest episode of "Superhero Squad?"

*chuckles and waits*
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on November 14, 2009, 04:39:25 pm
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/astonishingx-men34.jpg)

ASTONISHING X-MEN # 34
The Story: “eXogenetic” Part 4 Gruesome Bio-Sentinels. Genetically-augmented Brood. Someone is taking the X-Men’s biggest threats and making them nightmares. As Cyclops and his team struggle to survive long enough to confront the one responsible, their tormentor has something even more horrible awaiting them! Rated T …$2.99

http://marvel.com/catalog/?date=2010-02
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on November 15, 2009, 02:45:36 pm
...why is Storm in Astonishing again?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 15, 2009, 03:21:19 pm
Why? Ummmm, She's the only one on that team that can fly.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on November 15, 2009, 03:43:10 pm
*sighs and digs out X-Babies 2*
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Marvelous on November 15, 2009, 09:02:33 pm
*sighs and digs out X-Babies 2*

cute cover...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: CKW on November 16, 2009, 03:42:00 am
([url]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/astonishingx-men34.jpg[/url])




Reminds me of a scene in Pitch Black.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on November 16, 2009, 09:26:36 am
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_MEN_NOIR__MARK_OF_CAIN_3.jpg)

X-MEN NOIR: MARK OF CAIN #3 (of 4)
Written by FRED VAN LENTE
Pencils & Cover by DENNIS CALERO
Variant Cover by DENNIS CALERO
"'Herr Wagner, here, started out in the circus before becoming the top second-story man in Europe.
"'And don’t let Comrade Rasputin’s size fool you. It’s his artistic talent the Bolsheviks want to ship him to Siberia for—an expert forger of artworks and official documents.
"'And Ororo’s skills at thievery are so renowned, even at her delicate age, that she is literally worshipped by the footpads of Cairo, if you can believe it.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23727
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on November 16, 2009, 10:22:58 am
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HULK #20
Written by JEPH LOEB
Pencils & Cover by ED MCGUINNESS
Variant Cover by ED MCGUINNESS & KAI SPANNUTH
Special Variant by TBA
FALL OF THE HULKS continues!
He's smashing his way through the heroes of the Marvel Universe with a rage unstoppable.  Next up? THE RED HULK vs. THE UNCANNY X-MEN. And what do RED GHOST AND THE SUPER-APES want with Beast and The Black Panther? Superstars JEPH LOEB and ED McGUINNESS keep bringing the pain in the event of the century.
32 PGS./Rated T+...$3.99
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 16, 2009, 10:47:09 am
BLACK PANTER LOVE. Wow...So he is in "What if"-Secrete Invasion, and once again is guess staring in the Hulk???

Now that is love man.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 16, 2009, 02:35:04 pm
I hope Storm actually has some impressive displays of power against Hulk in that issue. I'm not going to like it if she's on the cover but just throws a lightning bolt in one panel or something stupid like that.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on November 16, 2009, 03:18:00 pm
I hope Storm actually has some impressive displays of power against Hulk in that issue. I'm not going to like it if she's on the cover but just throws a lightning bolt in one panel or something stupid like that.

It's Red Hulk-he is going to throw her a beating.

He basically beats up a powerful member of the MU every issue.

That's his gimmick.

He sucker punched The Watcher for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on November 16, 2009, 07:12:48 pm

It's Red Hulk-he is going to throw her a beating.

He basically beats up a powerful member of the MU every issue.

That's his gimmick.

He sucker punched The Watcher for goodness sake.

That's why I lost interest quickly.  :P

The only way to redeem him now is if he ripped the tentacles off of Omega Red. Yeow!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 17, 2009, 03:25:25 pm
I hope Storm actually has some impressive displays of power against Hulk in that issue. I'm not going to like it if she's on the cover but just throws a lightning bolt in one panel or something stupid like that.

It's Red Hulk-he is going to throw her a beating.

He basically beats up a powerful member of the MU every issue.

That's his gimmick.

He sucker punched The Watcher for goodness sake.

The only way Hulk can beat Storm is if Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS) is used in the story to make Storm lose. I confess, I don't know much about Red Hulk, but if he's just a beefed up version of Green Hulk, then Storm should be able to solo him.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 17, 2009, 04:01:26 pm
I hope Storm actually has some impressive displays of power against Hulk in that issue. I'm not going to like it if she's on the cover but just throws a lightning bolt in one panel or something stupid like that.

It's Red Hulk-he is going to throw her a beating.

He basically beats up a powerful member of the MU every issue.

That's his gimmick.

He sucker punched The Watcher for goodness sake.

The only way Hulk can beat Storm is if Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS) is used in the story to make Storm lose. I confess, I don't know much about Red Hulk, but if he's just a beefed up version of Green Hulk, then Storm should be able to solo him.

Red Hulk fits more in the world of cartoons than comics.  We actually aren't sure what all of his powers are, but at bare minimum, think a man with the military mind of Black Panther and the strength of the Hulk.  Sometimes when I see him, I get the impression he's actually the Beyonder.  (No, I don't think he is, but it's the only thing that explains him sucker punching the Watcher; or him standing equal in battle with Odin-empowered Thor.)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Wakandan561 on November 17, 2009, 04:08:44 pm
Equal in Battle, The red Hulk took Thor out, but Storm helped take down The Red Hulk once before, she is not new to fighting with him, but 9 times out of 10 The Red Hulk will get away freaking scott free like he always does.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 17, 2009, 07:44:22 pm
It would still be PIS, I mean he basically has a one-trick pony power. There so are many weapons in Storm's arsenal its ridiculous to think she even needs help to take him out. She can command the air in his lungs to leave and she can manipulate the pressure in his body. This proves that she can control the elements in people's body. Just think, she controls electrons to the extent she was able to completely dissipate a herald of Galactus with her electron control. Hulk's nervous system runs on electrons which means Storm should be able to just make his thoughts go away or snatch the electrons out of his nervous system. Without those electrical impulses, his brain has no way of telling his body what to do. She could totally immobilize him if not outright kill him. Then he has all of that moisture in his body and Storm, being Mistress of the Elements, controls moisture. She can beat him without using impressive visual power displays of sheer virtuosity.

I don't think Hulk should be able to beat Storm, the Watcher or Thor with Odin Force. What's to stop Thor from throwing him into another dimension? This is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on November 18, 2009, 02:53:20 am
Every flesh and blood creature should be affected by raw electricity, barring special circumstances. It's chemistry pure and simple. I don't see how even Superman is invulnerable to it.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 18, 2009, 04:26:30 am
Comic book physics aren't the same as real world physics.

Plus who said Red Hulk is merely flesh and blood.  Right now, Red Hulk is undefined.  He has powers the regular Hulk doesn't.  (He green Hulk's powers away.). We have no idea what are his limits, so if ignores Storm's full power, it could be Storm being written lower than Rutog thinks she should be, or RH is just that powerful.  We don't know.

That said, I hate the whole red hulk idea.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 18, 2009, 05:15:22 am
Rulk = Loeb-verse. Rulk is his baby.
Loeb in my opinion is better suited for DC stuff...that's where most of his best work is from.
 


Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on November 18, 2009, 05:32:49 am
Comic book physics aren't the same as real world physics.

Plus who said Red Hulk is merely flesh and blood.  Right now, Red Hulk is undefined.  He has powers the regular Hulk doesn't.  (He green Hulk's powers away.). We have no idea what are his limits, so if ignores Storm's full power, it could be Storm being written lower than Rutog thinks she should be, or RH is just that powerful.  We don't know.

That said, I hate the whole red hulk idea.

I wrote chemistry.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Vic Vega on November 18, 2009, 07:07:07 am
We only know 3 things about Rulk (Red Hulk): 1) He is ex-military (from his speech) 2)the madder he get the hotter he gets like a nuke plant going critical and 3)he hates Banners guts. Im guessing Rulk is either Maj. Talbot Gen. Ross sidekick from the original Hulk run or Gen. Riker-Hulks tormentor from a recent run. That would make sense-but then again Rulk deliberately doesnt make sense (which why the character kinda annoys me).

Rulk has only been beaten outright by Hulk and Galactus (who slapped him aside like a flea). The Thor you could call a draw: He essentially mugged Thor for his hammer in space. ::) An angry Thor quickly recovered and was about to beat Rulk to death when Hulk jumped in to beat him himself(Rulk even noted that Hulk was stupid for saving him from Thor).

The one thing I like about those comics is the little Hulk comic strips in the back with Green, Red and Blue Hulk as little kids.(!) Those strips are pretty funny.  ;D   
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 18, 2009, 11:59:33 am
Comic book physics aren't the same as real world physics.

Plus who said Red Hulk is merely flesh and blood.  Right now, Red Hulk is undefined.  He has powers the regular Hulk doesn't.  (He green Hulk's powers away.). We have no idea what are his limits, so if ignores Storm's full power, it could be Storm being written lower than Rutog thinks she should be, or RH is just that powerful.  We don't know.

That said, I hate the whole red hulk idea.

It has nothing to do with Storm being written lower than "Rutog thinks she should be," and everything to do with what Storm has actually accomplished in canon. All of that stuff I said Storm has already done or could easily do given what she has already done. Storm demonstrated the control over electrons on panel to create clothing out of thin air and to completely destroy Stardust, a Herald of Galactus. Remember how she stole electrons from that Stardust's body and sent them flying back at him/her with such force that he/she was completely dissipated? We may not know Red Hulk's full power, but he does not control the elements and certainly not like Storm, Mistress of the Elements. She controls air and wind and has controlled the air in people's lungs on panel. She has demonstrated control over air even down to the atomic level. I have encountered posters in the past that argue Hulk can simply "inhale with the power of his superhuman lungs to overcome her power over wind," but Storm has demonstrated control over the elements, including air, on a global scale and has cosmic feats with her elemental control. Her winds can level mountains, scour the surface of the world to its bedrock, strain Magneto's powers to their utmost and much more impressive than any of that, redirect the full power of Sienna Blaze who has the power to split the planet like a ripe melon. The strength of Hulk's lungs do not approach that level therefore Storm's control and power over air would superceed Hulk's lungs big time.

Now, I just read from another poster that Red Hulk gets hot when he gets mad, right? Storm controls heat. It would be awesome of the writer had Storm rob Hulk's body of all of its heat and lower his internal temperature to near absolute zero! :) Then there has to be moisture in his body and Storm controls moisture. Storm controls pressure gradients as well and we have seen her control this in the bodies of other people. What's to stop her from pulling some clever trick with this power to incapacitate any version of the Hulk?

There are just so many ways that Storm can go at a one-trick pony like the Hulk its ridiculous.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on November 22, 2009, 02:32:53 am
Comic book physics aren't the same as real world physics.

Plus who said Red Hulk is merely flesh and blood.  Right now, Red Hulk is undefined.  He has powers the regular Hulk doesn't.  (He green Hulk's powers away.). We have no idea what are his limits, so if ignores Storm's full power, it could be Storm being written lower than Rutog thinks she should be, or RH is just that powerful.  We don't know.

That said, I hate the whole red hulk idea.

It has nothing to do with Storm being written lower than "Rutog thinks she should be," and everything to do with what Storm has actually accomplished in canon. All of that stuff I said Storm has already done or could easily do given what she has already done. Storm demonstrated the control over electrons on panel to create clothing out of thin air and to completely destroy Stardust, a Herald of Galactus. Remember how she stole electrons from that Stardust's body and sent them flying back at him/her with such force that he/she was completely dissipated? We may not know Red Hulk's full power, but he does not control the elements and certainly not like Storm, Mistress of the Elements. She controls air and wind and has controlled the air in people's lungs on panel. She has demonstrated control over air even down to the atomic level. I have encountered posters in the past that argue Hulk can simply "inhale with the power of his superhuman lungs to overcome her power over wind," but Storm has demonstrated control over the elements, including air, on a global scale and has cosmic feats with her elemental control. Her winds can level mountains, scour the surface of the world to its bedrock, strain Magneto's powers to their utmost and much more impressive than any of that, redirect the full power of Sienna Blaze who has the power to split the planet like a ripe melon. The strength of Hulk's lungs do not approach that level therefore Storm's control and power over air would superceed Hulk's lungs big time.

Now, I just read from another poster that Red Hulk gets hot when he gets mad, right? Storm controls heat. It would be awesome of the writer had Storm rob Hulk's body of all of its heat and lower his internal temperature to near absolute zero! :) Then there has to be moisture in his body and Storm controls moisture. Storm controls pressure gradients as well and we have seen her control this in the bodies of other people. What's to stop her from pulling some clever trick with this power to incapacitate any version of the Hulk?

There are just so many ways that Storm can go at a one-trick pony like the Hulk its ridiculous.


So would you say that she can beat Sentry too? 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 22, 2009, 10:30:46 am
I am not familiar with Sentry's capabilities.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: BBeeryan on November 22, 2009, 01:48:47 pm
I am not familiar with Sentry's capabilities.
He's Marvel's Superman, along with Blue Marvel.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 22, 2009, 01:57:30 pm
Sentry is all-powerful, and yet not.  Morgana Le Fey killed him with mystique energies, and he just came back.  Ultron kills his wife and apparently he resurrects her.  He defeated Terrax the Tammer with easy that Thor couldn't match.  If Bendis is writing, Sentry could beat anyone and everyone, unless you take him out through the mind.  (IE mind-games.  He is very unstable.  Off-panel, Cap beat Sentry with carefully worded argument that immobolized him with doubt during CW.). He also can create more than one body that is equally powerfully as the original. 

He is like Red Hulk, we have no idea what all his powers are. 

Other writers don't write him so powerful. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 22, 2009, 07:28:53 pm
I don't know Sentry, however, if you do there are a couple of things to consider when dealing with any "Storm vs." discussion. Take this as food for thought and then come to your own conclusion since you likely know Sentry much better than I do.

1) She's Mistress of the Elements and her mastery extends to controlling the elements within people'se bodies. This is one hard power to fight.  We have seen her control the air in people's lungs and the pressure within people's bodies. She has destroyed a Herald of Galactus with her control over electrons and controlled people like Hydroman. She controls moisture, Hydroman is composed of water thus he fell under her dominion. If Sentry or anybody has forces present in their bodies that falls under Storm's dominion and if these things being in tact have a direct impact on their survival or remaning conscious, then she has an advantage over them unless they have the power to dispute her dominion over said forces.  Keep in mind that Storm has power to rival the Phoenix. If any of you are new here and don't know it yet, I can do a post on this. She's like an elemental equivilent to the Phoenix. This is a woman who was able to go to the Trion dimension and wrest control of the elements from them. The Trion are the sum of an entire reality and were the "gods" of that reality. They were the forces that composed that dimension given form. So exctly who is going to wrest control over the elements from this woman? Nobody that I can think of.

2) Storm has a tremendous attack speed. She has a unity with life itself and her power flows from this connection. Read this scan: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6445/stormandthegalaticcore15zq.jpg
Her powers are limited by the force of her will and strength of her body and are linked to her emotions. Hence, she has been able to attack with less than a conscious thought on panel. This makes it nearly impossible to speed blitz her. Say you have a character who can move faster than thought or attack faster than thought (well, I guess Storm can fall in the latter category, lol), they can have a problem against Storm since she can command nature with less than a conscious thought and nature carries out her will before her conscious mind can even catch up with what has transpired.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2803/lessthanacnsciousthoughfo4.jpg

So a writer can have Storm beat pretty much whomever they need her to beat.

3) What I am about to post about Storm vs. telekinetics can be applied to many other characters with similar type powers as well.

Against a telekinetic, Storm's best defense may be a strong offense. She could strain a telekinetic out by assaulting them with elemental assaults that force them to continually put all of their concentration into maintaining a shield until pass out from the strain. One advantage Storm has with her powers is once she sets up an attack, she doesn't have to concentrate to keep it going. Nature will do that for her. Hence, in some cases, she's whipped up hurricanes in fights and was knocked out. The hurricane still raged on until it ran out of energy on its own. So Storm can create an instant storm against a telekinetic. The TK now has to create a force field and anchor themselves against her attack (keep in mind that due to the inherent nature of Storm's powers, her attacks are continual. A hurricane, for instance, does not let up, but strikes continually). So while th TK is doing this and getting tired, Storm is not expending any energy for the storm to keep going as nature continues her attack for her. She can then fly around and use her hand lightning and direct the winds to hammer the field with all objects in the area to add to the stress until the TK passes out.

I can produce scans of her stressing out Jean Grey's TK in such a manner without even trying.

Well, I'll just do a scan now:
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2700/hruncanny20xmen2032020lsw8.jpg

Storm's target was Legion, not Jean Grey as they were on the same team. Jean was only getting a taste of what Storm was dishing out against Legion and look how it taxed Jean Grey. Storm's attack was so ferocious that she broke the rules of nature.

4) Then we have the brute force Storm can dish out. Remember how I talked about Sienna Blaze?

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/797/xmenunlimited0114oe7.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/763/xmenunlimited0141wh5.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1756/xmenunlimited0142fb5.jpg

Note that Sienna's blast are said to be similar to the power of the Phoenix.  
 

 Circa Excalibur issue 72 or73, Sienna Blaze casually tossed a blast at Nightcralwer that had enough power to fry him to a crisp, sink Muir Island and half of Scotland Mainland. In the issue where she battled Storm, Sienna Blaze has enough power to split the planet like a ripe melon. Xavier telepathically forced Sienna to unleash all of the power she had to temporarily burn her out. He succeeded as she admitted this. Furthermore, she could barely speak or stand. Storm summoned an electrically-charged wind tunnel to redirect Sienna's full power when she did that blast  that burned out Sienna's powers. The issue stated that Scott just sat there and blasted in case any of Sienna's energy got away from Storm's vortex.

There are TONS more scans of Storm doing impressive feats of raw power as you all know. She's summoned the full power of a galactic core which included the power of millions of stars, she's wielded the power of the solar wind and she controlled the elements globally to create a weather shield around the planet to deflect a planet-destroying blast from the sun. The sun's resources are greater than that of a planet's, so she amped up the power of her shield by pulling gamma rays out of a gamma ray gun and fused it with the energies of her elemental shield (just goes to show how much energy she can wield), she defeated the Trion, she controlled a hemisphere-sized hurricane and  channeled a continent-sized blizzard through her body. She has winds strong enough to level mountains, strain Magneto's powers to the utmost and scour she surface of the world to its bedrock (however, the winds she would have had to use to redirect Sienna Blaze's full power like that would actually dwarf these wind feats, but they are still impressive and worth mentioning). She completely destroyed a herald of Galactus (who was able to reconstitute himself/herself after she destroyed him/her- I am unfamiliar with Stardust's gender) and the list goes on.

5) Storm is innately attuned to her environment. She can feel movement in her environment (heck, she was in Africa and was able to "feel" Cyclops moving through the air in the Blackbird over the United States and literally blasted him out of the sky with a lightning bolt while half a world away). She can detect energy, shifts in energy fields, she can detect the life force in all living things and can perceive the world as patterns of energy and forces that she can bend to her will. This also allows her to see through matter. For instance, she has been able to see through walls with this ability as well as cast her vision over an entire continent. I have scans for all of this if anyone doubts it. So really sneaking up on her is impossible if the writer uses this aspect of her powers.

6) The lady has an indomitable will. Her powers are limited by the force of her will and strength of her body. She has proven to have the will to best psis like Xavier, Shadow King and Bogan even when the power of other psis are added to one of these. To boot, the electrical energy in her nervous system affords an extra measure of protection against invading telepaths. She has displayed the ability to amp up this electrical power in her body to literally fry an invading telepath out of her mind with a massive feedback. Its the equiviland of the psi grabbing ahold of a lightning bolt! ouch! Eternity is essentially the sum of everything and Storm had the strength of spirit to house his essence in his body. This is a feat that would have killed others including the Silver Surfer as stated in the issue. So telepaths are out.

7) If Storm is up against a techno opponent like Iron Man or Ultron, she can get an real easy win here. Iron Man's suit requires power to run, power that Storm controls. With just a thought, Storm can make that power go away just like she did to a Skrull space ship in the scan below:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5516/emdownpf3.jpg

Actually, in Iron Man's case, since he's still human, she can go at him other ways too. She could, for instance, command the air in his lungs and beat him that way.


There are still more nuances to Storm's powerset, however, as you can see Storm has a very potent arsenal and skill set that's very, very hard to beat.

This is just food for thought when you're thinking about Storm vs. anybody. :D



Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 22, 2009, 11:28:20 pm
Guys,

Do you remember how I always go on about maturity being a recurring motive in Storm's character? (I go on about it everytime the Dickey mini is brought up.) I always cite how it was written into her physical development as well. Here are the scans to back that up in case I have not posted them already in this thread:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7756/uxm113pg056ac.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5928/uxm113pg064ug.jpg

The X-Men's (including Phoenix, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Banshee etc) powers are neutralized and are reduced to physical prowess of infants, Storm manages to get the lockpicks out of her tiara, and almost pick a complicated lock she's never seen before (later in the issue she succeeds). Also, she notes that at 6 months she had the coordination of a young girl:
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 22, 2009, 11:53:09 pm
Guys,

Do you know how I always go on about maturity being a recurring motive in Storm's character. (I go on about it everytime the Dickey mini is brought up). I always cite how it was written into her physical development as well. Here are the scans to back that up in case I have not posted them already in this thread:

[url]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7756/uxm113pg056ac.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5928/uxm113pg064ug.jpg[/url]

The X-Men's (including Phoenix, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Banshee etc) powers are neutralized and are reduced to physical prowess of infants, Storm manages to get the lockpicks out of her tiara, and almost pick a complicated lock she's never seen before (later in the issue she succeeds). Also, she notes that at 6 months she had the coordination of a young girl:



Even though I still favor the EJD mini...those scans still make me say DAMN
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 23, 2009, 12:14:20 am
Guys,

Do you know how I always go on about maturity being a recurring motive in Storm's character. (I go on about it everytime the Dickey mini is brought up). I always cite how it was written into her physical development as well. Here are the scans to back that up in case I have not posted them already in this thread:

[url]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7756/uxm113pg056ac.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5928/uxm113pg064ug.jpg[/url]

The X-Men's (including Phoenix, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Banshee etc) powers are neutralized and are reduced to physical prowess of infants, Storm manages to get the lockpicks out of her tiara, and almost pick a complicated lock she's never seen before (later in the issue she succeeds). Also, she notes that at 6 months she had the coordination of a young girl:



Even though I still favor the EJD mini...those scans still make me say DAMN


LOL! She gets it right the second time and frees everyone though it is done off panel.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on November 23, 2009, 01:35:39 am
How in the world did she get that thing off the ground?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 23, 2009, 01:53:55 am
How in the world did she get that thing off the ground?

The robot nanny Magneto left to take care of them placed it back on Storm's head more securely. The robot was unaware that Storm was trying to escape and assumed that it just fell off.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on November 23, 2009, 02:14:51 am
Poor robot nanny. Was probably killed for its trouble. :(
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on November 23, 2009, 02:53:54 am
I am not familiar with Sentry's capabilities.


This is Sentry (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=411307&pagenumber=1)

I'm asking you because you feel that Storm can beat the Hulk and the Sentry couldn't even beat him, and he's considered an all powerful god by the Marvel elite...., even that whore Emma said he was ( I can't stand her)..lol but I digress, it was more of a stalemate plus Stark had to use high powered satellites on both of them, then again he used it on the Hulk because Hulk was beginning to destroy the east coast.

Emma calls him a god (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12225472#post12225472)


I'm a fan of Storm and I'll get behind her and all when it comes to a vs battle, but it has to be within reason and part of her arsenal and her powerset within comic cannon. Come on..... Storm beat Hulk? Even during WWH she couldn't even stop him with the F4 and BP's help.

Hulk vs Sentry (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=411307&pagenumber=17)


What is her defense against him? His thunderclap, a long jump attack or him throwing a bolder at her. I would think she would tire b4 her attacks started to faze him in any way.




Everything she would throw at him would be like walking through a light rain storm to him. He's invulnerable and has a healing factor. Even the then Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange couldn't stop him with an attack to his mind with magic.
Let's not 4get that the madder the hulk gets the stronger he gets.


IMHO I don't see her winning this at all.



 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Tahdigga on November 23, 2009, 03:15:15 am
Guys,

Do you remember how I always go on about maturity being a recurring motive in Storm's character? (I go on about it everytime the Dickey mini is brought up.) I always cite how it was written into her physical development as well. Here are the scans to back that up in case I have not posted them already in this thread:

[url]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7756/uxm113pg056ac.jpg[/url]
[url]http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5928/uxm113pg064ug.jpg[/url]

The X-Men's (including Phoenix, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Banshee etc) powers are neutralized and are reduced to physical prowess of infants, Storm manages to get the lockpicks out of her tiara, and almost pick a complicated lock she's never seen before (later in the issue she succeeds). Also, she notes that at 6 months she had the coordination of a young girl:



I have this book..it's a good feats issue as far as her lock picking skills go. :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 23, 2009, 05:54:35 am
There little chance of Storm beating the Sentry using her powers. He is Deus Ex Machina on HGH, Roids to the 100th power.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 23, 2009, 07:15:14 am
Right now, barring a few exceptions, Sentry is classified as the MOST POWERFUL hero of all.  Well, when Bendis and couple others are writing him. 

Other writers bring him down to the level of the rest of the big hitters.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 23, 2009, 07:46:21 am
Really. He's the lamest character in marvel. :-X I hope Thor stomps him, then throws his ass into one of his dimensional rifts.

When you have to write a character down like that, then he should not be that powerful.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 23, 2009, 09:34:06 am
Oh, I long for the day Sentry turns out to be a fake.  As a villain, fine, but I'd rather he just go-away.  All the Rulk-related stuff too.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 23, 2009, 09:48:34 am
Me too.

I really want to see Thor beat on him something bad.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on November 23, 2009, 05:44:57 pm
I am not familiar with Sentry's capabilities.


This is Sentry ([url]http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=411307&pagenumber=1[/url])

I'm asking you because you feel that Storm can beat the Hulk and the Sentry couldn't even beat him, and he's considered an all powerful god by the Marvel elite...., even that whore Emma said he was ( I can't stand her)..lol but I digress, it was more of a stalemate plus Stark had to use high powered satellites on both of them, then again he used it on the Hulk because Hulk was beginning to destroy the east coast.

Emma calls him a god ([url]http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12225472#post12225472[/url])


I'm a fan of Storm and I'll get behind her and all when it comes to a vs battle, but it has to be within reason and part of her arsenal and her powerset within comic cannon. Come on..... Storm beat Hulk? Even during WWH she couldn't even stop him with the F4 and BP's help.

Hulk vs Sentry ([url]http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=411307&pagenumber=17[/url])


What is her defense against him? His thunderclap, a long jump attack or him throwing a bolder at her. I would think she would tire b4 her attacks started to faze him in any way.




Everything she would throw at him would be like walking through a light rain storm to him. He's invulnerable and has a healing factor. Even the then Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange couldn't stop him with an attack to his mind with magic.
Let's not 4get that the madder the hulk gets the stronger he gets.


IMHO I don't see her winning this at all.



 


I don't know Sentry's powerset. He can keep being billed as the "most powerful person" or whatever, but too often I have seen one character devalued for another to look good. If Sentry doesn't have control over energy and matter, then I don't see how he can be considered such a threat. He seems to be a guy who can fly, punch things, possesses latent telepathy and some kind of energy control, but I don't see how he has the power to stand up to somebody like Galactus. I think its just Plot Induced Stupidity until Marvel gives him a powerset that really puts him in the number one spot. Personally, I don't see why Storm, Sersi, Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force or any number of other people can't beat him. I think each of these characters I have listed have deadly ways to go at him that he can't counter. Say Storm beams an EMP to his brain to short out his thoughts? She did that to the clone of Thor in Black Panther issue 25. His brain communicates with his body via electrical impulses, right? Storm controls electrical impulses. What's to stop her from messing with his brain signals? How's he going to counter any of this? Sersi controls matter at the atomic level (and Storm has demonstrated the ability to manifest matter out of thin air via electron manipulation). What is there in Sentry's powerset that can counter this kind of attack? Jean with the Phoenix Force is a Sersi on mega steroids. I don't know, but I don't buy Sentry being so unbeatable.

Re. Storm vs. Hulk

Hulk has already tried a thunderclap on Storm and she dispersed it with her control over the air. That said, I don't think a thunderclap could work in a vacuum and Storm has created vacuums simply by willing the air away from an area.

Fact is, Hulk is a joke against Storm, sorry. If Storm throws up a blizzard, she can snowblind the Hulk so he can't even locate her. He'll have no idea where to throw objects or where to jump. (His jumping would not be a threat to her anyway has he has no way of changing trajectory in the air. Heck, if he jumps at her, she can create a monstrously powerful updraft underneath him adding to him jump and probably hurl him up into orbit. That would be hilarious!) So she blinds him with snow and the fight is automatically a stalemate without her even throwing one attack at him. That said, Storm has knocked the Hulk out with a precision lightning bolt to his brain before.

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/2990/sch58zy.jpg
http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/7981/sch62tp.jpg

She can do the same thing without Cable guiding her if she uses this:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5931/energyworld42xc.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/541/energyworld38nt.jpg


Hulk requires air to breathe thus if she commands the air to leave his lungs, he's going to be knocked unconscious. Her winds are more than strong enough to overwhelm him too.

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/3973/sch2kd.jpg

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 23, 2009, 06:27:24 pm
http://marvel.com/universe/Sentry_(Robert_Reynolds)
"The Sentry's abilities derive from an experimental serum that creates a phase-shift in his molecules, causing each atom to step an instant ahead of the current time line. The serum induces a photosynthetic reaction, resulting in a hyper state of consciousness. Though most of his powers and their limits are still unknown, examples he has demonstrated so far are super-strength, super-speed, invulnerability, and flight. The Sentry can also project energy fields, control light, and has vast psychic and mental forces mainly used for holding his physical powers together, though it is not yet known whether the Sentry can use them the way Professor X and other psychics use theirs; the only psychic abilities he had displayed so far is implanting his memories inside Paul Jenkins' mind and calming the fury of the Hulk. It may be theorized that the Sentry also has the ability to produce hard-light constructs similar to those of Dazzler's when it was revealed that the Void is a just an expression of his repressed persona, and thus his creation. With the people dubbing The Sentry as the world's most powerful superhero, and with the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's. In effect, the Sentry's powers are seemingly limitless"

Basically,  the superman powers are the least of his powers.  I guess one way to read it is he a moment ahead of everyone else. 

Other powers we've seen with Sentry--raises the dead; death can't hold him; he was killed by magic and came back as if it was nothing.  His power is so unique that the Skrulls couldn't copy it or counter it; the Skrulls only feared Sentry.

But to answer a question, Sentry could rip of Storm's head before she even knew he was there.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 23, 2009, 07:47:30 pm
Another thing about Sentry; while his conscious mind was talking to the Emma, he created a creature that was beating Avengers, FF(I think), and Dr. Strange(I think) and maybe some more.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on November 23, 2009, 07:51:04 pm
Oh, I long for the day Sentry turns out to be a fake.  As a villain, fine, but I'd rather he just go-away.  All the Rulk-related stuff too.

I wish they'd just make the Sentry a manifestation from the Beyonder. But no, they had to waste that opportunity.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on November 23, 2009, 07:53:22 pm
Really. He's the lamest character in marvel. :-X I hope Thor stomps him, then throws his ass into one of his dimensional rifts.

When you have to write a character down like that, then he should not be that powerful.

Yeah, and what the f*ck is a 'million dying suns' anyway? Somebody with that kind of power is too dangerous to have on the planet. Superman only needs the power of one active yellow sun.

I swear, Sentry should turn into a giant black hole and consume the entire solar system.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 25, 2009, 02:40:41 pm
Does anyone other than Bendis like Sentry?
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on November 25, 2009, 02:47:50 pm
I think it's just him. :)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 07, 2009, 11:01:40 am
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=1051
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 09, 2009, 06:15:52 pm
I think this Ororo, with Kurt & Piotr... X-men Noir ..

I dnt read X-men Noir so I can't confirm its, but I have a feeling his is here Noir world version...

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9201/screenshot20091209at356.png (http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9201/screenshot20091209at356.png)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9201/screenshot20091209at356.png (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9201/screenshot20091209at356.png)
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 10, 2009, 01:00:53 pm
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/126045225322826.htm
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on December 10, 2009, 04:41:20 pm
Does anybody remember when we were discussing Storm's intelligence/education or lack thereof? That's where I learned that BP is considered one of the smartest people alive. Well, over at Marvel.com, I found it interesting that Storm's intelligence is rated 6 on a scale of 7 on the Marvel Power Grid, which puts her intelligence level as "supergenius". T'Challa, of course, is a 7/7, which is "omniscient". Another interesting thing: they are BOTH 7s in fighting ability, which is "master of virtually all conventional forms of combat". (Then again, the same is said for Jean Grey.)

http://marvel.com/universe/Storm
http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU:Power_Grids

Remember that the red ticks are the fan votes, but the blue ticks are the official votes.

Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Open palm on December 10, 2009, 07:01:38 pm
I don't put much stock in RPG-esque stats. Having the power of weather is already good enough. She doesn't have to punch or outsmart anybody when's she can just create a hurricane.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on December 11, 2009, 10:22:57 am
Remember back when there was a thread about BP & Storm and someone mentioned that Storm should have her own series....another comic fan brought up the fact that the reason she only has mini series and no monthly is because Storm was created to essentially be apart of the XMen and she rarely went on solo missions and we know The Black Panther character is based off being solo as the King of the wealthiest nation on earth (he joined the Avengers to "spy" on them).  Storm has not been characterized strongly as a loner type like Wolverine, Spider Woman, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, etc.  The aforementioned characters deal with issues often on their own due to loss of memory, loss of identity, etc.  She is strong but her characterization was around being a leader in The XMen....not going off on solo adventures.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: moneyspider on December 11, 2009, 02:16:12 pm
Storm has not been characterized strongly as a loner type like Wolverine, Spider Woman, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, etc.  The aforementioned characters deal with issues often on their own due to loss of memory, loss of identity, etc.  She is strong but her characterization was around being a leader in The XMen....not going off on solo adventures.

What about Nightcrawler, though? Didn't he have his own ongoing book at a certain point? Has he ever been a loner, or was he always meant to be a part of the X-Men (I really don't know, because I'm not really familiar with his story, other than his mother is Mystique and Rogue is his foster sister).

Is Robin from Batman and Robin considered to be a loner? He has had/has his own book, and I'm not sure I would consider HIM to be a loner.

I think Storm can definitely have her ongoing solo adventures apart from her adventures with Black Panther and also apart from the X-Men. I think the limitations only come about when writers don't know how to put her in interesting situations, like the writers of some of the X-Men books where she was not being used at all. She was not utilized until she came over to the Black Panther book, and then people started complaining that Storm was "stolen" from the X-Men...where she was doing NOTHING.

At least now in "Black Panther," she is doing something significant and will continue to do significant things, not only as a powerful mutant but also as the Queen of Wakanda.

I think we got a little taste of how a Storm ongoing series could be like from that "World's Apart" mini, where she was in charge of Wakanda and was giving orders left and right after the Panther God helped her and those black panthers accepted her as their queen.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: stanleyballard on December 11, 2009, 08:25:18 pm
It would take a strong marketing/pr/advertising blitz to get Storm into her own series....maybe that will happen in the future like it did back in the late 8os at the height of her comic book popularity.  Maybe Claremont didn't push for her to get her own book because he considered her to be the quissessential leader (she did lead the team for more individual issues than even Cyclops until recently when she left to marry BP).  Worlds Apart written by Yost was cool but it did not sell any better than BP does...the numbers need to be around 40,000 per issue to really get her into a solo book.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: moneyspider on December 11, 2009, 09:39:57 pm
It would take a strong marketing/pr/advertising blitz to get Storm into her own series....


Agreed.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 12, 2009, 07:47:37 am
It would take a strong marketing/pr/advertising blitz to get Storm into her own series...

I don't think it would take that for her to get a series, but for it to sell well & go over 6-12 issues thats what it would take...  All it really take is for marvel to want do so... Like if marvel decided to make a BP lines of books one something like that.. They could give Storm a book,  maybe Monica Rambeau/Sceptre,  & Falcon co-feature, Maybe Black Panther Generation book ...

 They could make Monica Rambeau/Sceptre, Falcon, Shang Chi, Gambit, Kasper Cole & Josiah X  Agents of  Wakanda or something.. & have Storm lead them as super hero team Or Give Strom a book with traveling around the marvel U when shes not at home in Wakanda &  with T'Challa because I believe/fell she can be both married to T'Challa  & have her own book..  8)
 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Seven on December 12, 2009, 12:37:45 pm
It would take a strong marketing/pr/advertising blitz to get Storm into her own series...

I don't think it would take that for her to get a series, but for it to sell well & go over 6-12 issues thats what it would take...  All it really take is for marvel to want do so... Like if marvel decided to make a BP lines of books one something like that.. They could give Storm a book,  maybe Monica Rambeau/Sceptre,  & Falcon co-feature, Maybe Black Panther Generation book ...

 They could make Monica Rambeau/Sceptre, Falcon, Shang Chi, Gambit, Kasper Cole & Josiah X  Agents of  Wakanda or something.. & have Storm lead them as super hero team Or Give Strom a book with traveling around the marvel U when shes not at home in Wakanda &  with T'Challa because I believe/fell she can be both married to T'Challa  & have her own book..  8)
 

I agree totally...that book would rock and that team would also.

Just as Okoye, Vibraxis and QDJ and a few more mutants..
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 30, 2009, 06:29:29 am
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=10252595&postcount=280
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 30, 2009, 06:31:11 am
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=10247707&postcount=237
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 30, 2009, 08:37:53 am
Vote for Ororo

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=302010
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on December 30, 2009, 09:25:20 am
From this past issue of X-Men Forever:

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/XMF_14_Legion_CPS_021.jpg)

Kid Storm! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on December 30, 2009, 12:39:48 pm
I know that Storm is coming back with a vengeance and the writer that is going to be writing it is a good one.I saw the solits, I liked them, then I got the word of the writer that Storm is going to be awesome.

I'm sorry. Trying to remember the good ol' days, and...LULZ.

I said it before, and I'll say it now: who has the guts to step up and say "I was wrong"? One more issue until the end of this godforsaken arc, and let's see what the word of the writer has gotten us:

- Storm is an idiot.
- Shuri is an even BIGGER idiot.
- The Wakandans are a bunch of inbred morons who probably think the world is flat
- The royal marriage is shot to hell
- T'Challa...eh, who cares?

We're hours away from the New Year, people. Come and lay your burdens down. It's okay. I've had to do it before. Let's go shoe shopping together.  ;D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on December 30, 2009, 01:35:41 pm
Maberry will, once the summer's over. Let this be a lesson to other loudmouth writers: it never hurts to SHUT THE FUKK UP and let your writing do the talking. Even Hudlin didn't talk so much, and this is his board!!!
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 30, 2009, 01:37:29 pm
Rutog, do you like that Kid Storm interpretation of Storm as a teen?  how her powers are developing and all of that?

I've liked her (and evil Storm's) mystery, at least what I've seen so far, though I haven't read everything yet.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 30, 2009, 01:51:54 pm
Regarding Storm on the Avengers--i'm all for that, but right now I want Thor on the core team and Thor and Storm should never be teammates at the same time over the long haul. 

And I really don't want to see Storm on a sub-team of Avengers.  I would want to see her and the hubby on the main team, but right now, Thor needs to return.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 31, 2009, 11:21:20 am
Vote for Ororo

[url]http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=302010[/url]


Ororo is currently no longer has the lead we need more votes ppl...
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 31, 2009, 11:53:25 am
Ah, don't worry about it.  It is one poll of a segmeant of the the internet that really doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on December 31, 2009, 12:12:15 pm
Ah, don't worry about it.  It is one poll of a segmeant of the the internet that really doesn't mean anything.

I know lol.. but I want her to win.. :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: MKG on December 31, 2009, 08:28:39 pm
Maberry will, once the summer's over. Let this be a lesson to other loudmouth writers: it never hurts to SHUT THE FUKK UP and let your writing do the talking. Even Hudlin didn't talk so much, and this is his board!!!

It's just a comic baby! Just a  comic! :D
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Rutog98 on January 01, 2010, 12:06:04 am
Rutog, do you like that Kid Storm interpretation of Storm as a teen?  how her powers are developing and all of that?

I've liked her (and evil Storm's) mystery, at least what I've seen so far, though I haven't read everything yet.

I like this teen Storm more than I thought I would. However, if this were the only Storm I could read about in "Forever", if adult Storm were not around, I would feel differently. I like the contrast between the two.
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 01, 2010, 11:13:30 am
Rutog, do you like that Kid Storm interpretation of Storm as a teen?  how her powers are developing and all of that?

I've liked her (and evil Storm's) mystery, at least what I've seen so far, though I haven't read everything yet.

I like this teen Storm more than I thought I would. However, if this were the only Storm I could read about in "Forever", if adult Storm were not around, I would feel differently. I like the contrast between the two.

Well, as long as Clarmont has this book and doesn't have Storm in the main-verse to write, you shouldn't have to worry about our Storm becoming this Storm. 
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on January 07, 2010, 09:26:51 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4190&disp=table

 ::)  :P ::)  :P
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: 4sake on January 07, 2010, 09:57:02 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=4180&pg=7

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=4180&pg=8

Nation X #2

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4180&disp=table

Uncanny X-Men: First Class #7

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4189&disp=table
Title: Re: Storm
Post by: Jenn on January 08, 2010, 12:35:57 am
Okay, a very good question has been brought up.

If the Storm fans are still mad at me by the end of DoomWar, I will personally eat my shoes.