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Title: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 08, 2006, 08:21:03 am
talk about a sweeping majestic epic of a superhero movie.  This movie was great, there was a lot of awe inspiring jaw dropping scenes that showed Superman's greatness, lifting that huge land mass that was half made of kryptonite and could have been a continent being my favorite, wow!  I also liked how the movie showed as great as Superman is he's not too bright (stupid farm boy) but I especially liked the odes to the classic comic books and Christopher Reeves.  The scene that adapted the cover to Superman's first appearance in Action Comics was great and the comment he made about flying being the safest form of travel and of course the last scene where he is flying in space above earth ala Reeves, fantastic!  Best of all it's a movie the kids could watch.  Loved Kevin Spacey as well.  Superman's son was a pleasent surprise as well.  Question though, this takes place after Superman 2 correct?  Just wondering, because no events in Superman 2 are mentioned in any of the prequel comics.

What are your thoughts on the movie?
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Hypestyle on August 08, 2006, 12:45:57 pm
I talk about the flick a little on my blog:  www.hypestyleshomebase.blogspot.com
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 08, 2006, 07:02:52 pm
I still was disappointed. It had some good parts. I had no problem with the casting, loved Lex Luthor. But I didn't see any concrete direction in this long film. That comment about flying still being the safest transport was probably the only message he ever said in the film.

Anyway, I've got to get back to watching R.O.D. the TV series.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 09, 2006, 02:31:35 am
I loved it.

By the way, did anyone notice the date Lois wrote her Why We Don't Need Superman article?
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 09, 2006, 09:08:26 am
I loved it.

By the way, did anyone notice the date Lois wrote her Why We Don't Need Superman article?


no, what's the science?  And Open Palm, what's ROD?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&item=230016510400&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 09, 2006, 06:15:58 pm
And Open Palm, what's ROD?



http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=819
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1989

Here's a clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHYOw8zCOg  :)
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 10, 2006, 01:16:33 am
I loved it.

By the way, did anyone notice the date Lois wrote her Why We Don't Need Superman article?

no, what's the science?  And Open Palm, what's ROD?
It was published the day before Valentine's Day.  :'( If Supes had just sent her a card, maybe she wouldn't have written it. Hell hath no fury like a journo scorned. ;)
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: sunjata on August 10, 2006, 12:57:16 pm
I liked the movie and thought it was very good.  I actually saw the 3D version the opening weekend in the Imax Theater.  I just have two problems.  Supes needed to have a powerful villain he could actually fight and the actress that played Lois was all wrong for the part.   
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 11, 2006, 07:29:54 am
I liked the movie and thought it was very good.  I actually saw the 3D version the opening weekend in the Imax Theater.  I just have two problems.  Supes needed to have a powerful villain he could actually fight and the actress that played Lois was all wrong for the part.   
If Lex still has the Kryptonite shank with Supes' blood on it, maybe a Bizarro clone for the next movie? Otherwise, Brainiac would work, maybe Lex could create him from aleft-over fragment of Kryptonian crystal.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 11, 2006, 08:09:00 am
They better use somebody. But I don't think I'd watch it anyway. I can always watch Dragonball Z for the super brawls.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: sunjata on August 11, 2006, 08:15:51 am
If Lex still has the Kryptonite shank with Supes' blood on it, maybe a Bizarro clone for the next movie? Otherwise, Brainiac would work, maybe Lex could create him from aleft-over fragment of Kryptonian crystal.
Since it still hasn’t (last I heard) cracked the 200 million mark domestically it is considered a disappointment and any sequel will probably have a much smaller budget.  I hope they will be able to make a sequel with a good villain. 

Many movie goers I talked to were disappointed.  They seemed to have expected more action, more humor and a shorter running length.  I think that the general audience has been trained to expect certain things from big budgeted summer blockbusters and some think this film was lacking.  As I stated before, I liked the film.  I liked the serious tone of the movie and the length didn’t bother me but I do believe the same story could have been told using less time.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 11, 2006, 11:02:46 am
They seemed to have expected more action, more humor and a shorter running length.  I think that the general audience has been trained to expect certain things from big budgeted summer blockbusters and some think this film was lacking.  As I stated before, I liked the film.  I liked the serious tone of the movie and the length didn’t bother me but I do believe the same story could have been told using less time.
Agreed on all points here.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: sunjata on August 11, 2006, 07:18:20 pm
Singer discusses Superman Returns sequel.

http://www.mediablvd.com/magazine/Magazine-Home/MBMag_20060420237.html
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 12, 2006, 10:43:37 am
I think Superman villians are lame, (ZOD was cool though)  So for a regular human being trying to come up with ways to defeat him is always going to be interesting.  With his powers ANY "super" villian trying to best him is just wasted ideas.  Part of the reason why I liked the movie so much was there was no supervillian and it focused on Superman helping and saving people.  To me that is the heart of what a Superman movie should revolve around and the true definition of a super man...even though he's alien.  The obstacle is can Superman save everybody every time.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 13, 2006, 12:11:08 pm
Part of the reason why I liked the movie so much was there was no supervillian and it focused on Superman helping and saving people.  To me that is the heart of what a Superman movie should revolve around and the true definition of a super man...even though he's alien.  The obstacle is can Superman save everybody every time.
Interesting point.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 13, 2006, 03:13:53 pm
Part of the reason why I liked the movie so much was there was no supervillian and it focused on Superman helping and saving people.  To me that is the heart of what a Superman movie should revolve around and the true definition of a super man...even though he's alien.  The obstacle is can Superman save everybody every time.
Interesting point.

I like seeing him save people too. I don't think fighting powerhouses are his best trait.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 14, 2006, 09:27:04 am
Part of the reason why I liked the movie so much was there was no supervillian and it focused on Superman helping and saving people.  To me that is the heart of what a Superman movie should revolve around and the true definition of a super man...even though he's alien.  The obstacle is can Superman save everybody every time.
Interesting point.

I like seeing him save people too. I don't think fighting powerhouses are his best trait.

mmm, the ending seeing him save the city was just......wow.  Can't wait to get this on dvd, I'm going to skip to that part first, and I would love to have a poster of him holstering that land mass on his shoulders Atlas style.  Is there any question that he is the greatest super hero.  No one else could have done what he did at the end of that movie.  Remember the end of Batman Beigins?  If Gotham had Superman he would have saved that city in 10 seconds, PEACE
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: The Dark Wright on August 14, 2006, 05:12:58 pm
Yes, that was amazing how he lifted a whole land mass made mostly of Kryptonite during an overcast day.

Didn't anyone think this was a lack-luster re-tread of the first Superman (land mass scheme cooked up by LL, Sup and Lois go flying around the city, Sup saves a plane vs. a helo, stopping bank robbers?) 

I was very disappointed by this movie (for all the hype it was getting pre-release).
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 15, 2006, 01:38:41 am
mmm, the ending seeing him save the city was just......wow.  Can't wait to get this on dvd, I'm going to skip to that part first, and I would love to have a poster of him holstering that land mass on his shoulders Atlas style.  Is there any question that he is the greatest super hero.  No one else could have done what he did at the end of that movie.  Remember the end of Batman Beigins?  If Gotham had Superman he would have saved that city in 10 seconds, PEACE
The bit at the end with the whole continent had me literally shouting, 'No! He isn't!" ;D
Didn't anyone think this was a lack-luster re-tread of the first Superman (land mass scheme cooked up by LL, Sup and Lois go flying around the city, Sup saves a plane vs. a helo, stopping bank robbers?) 
Luthor's obsession with Real Estate was the only part that was possibly weak, but they also went in to his motivation a bit, and it made sense (You can't argue with him, land is the only thing they can't make more of). And though some bits were retreads, I didn't find them tired at all. Lex's land mass scheme was suitably dramatic, as well as giving him an opportunity to get some sadistic revenge, the flying scene with Lois was meant to be reminiscent of the first film (Supes saying '[He can take you flying, but]not like this'), and the mini-gun bank robber scene was a thing of beauty.

I'm sorry you were disappointed, I loved it.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 15, 2006, 02:29:38 am
Yes, that was amazing how he lifted a whole land mass made mostly of Kryptonite during an overcast day.

Didn't anyone think this was a lack-luster re-tread of the first Superman (land mass scheme cooked up by LL, Sup and Lois go flying around the city, Sup saves a plane vs. a helo, stopping bank robbers?) 

I was very disappointed by this movie (for all the hype it was getting pre-release).

it was like an updated remake.  Kind of like Peter Jackson did with King Kong.  I loved the opening credits.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 15, 2006, 02:32:40 am
mmm, the ending seeing him save the city was just......wow.  Can't wait to get this on dvd, I'm going to skip to that part first, and I would love to have a poster of him holstering that land mass on his shoulders Atlas style.  Is there any question that he is the greatest super hero.  No one else could have done what he did at the end of that movie.  Remember the end of Batman Beigins?  If Gotham had Superman he would have saved that city in 10 seconds, PEACE
The bit at the end with the whole continent had me literally shouting, 'No! He isn't!" ;D
Didn't anyone think this was a lack-luster re-tread of the first Superman (land mass scheme cooked up by LL, Sup and Lois go flying around the city, Sup saves a plane vs. a helo, stopping bank robbers?) 
Luthor's obsession with Real Estate was the only part that was possibly weak, but they also went in to his motivation a bit, and it made sense (You can't argue with him, land is the only thing they can't make more of). And though some bits were retreads, I didn't find them tired at all. Lex's land mass scheme was suitably dramatic, as well as giving him an opportunity to get some sadistic revenge, the flying scene with Lois was meant to be reminiscent of the first film (Supes saying '[He can take you flying, but]not like this'), and the mini-gun bank robber scene was a thing of beauty.

I'm sorry you were disappointed, I loved it.

I want to check it in the theatre again without my kids, hehehe.  I think it is beautiful how I grew up on ish like Star Wars and Superman and my son gets to do the same.  He loved that Superman movie.  What about Superman's son, that came out of left field, I knew nothing about that before seeing the movie and it had been out for a while.  Lois is scandalous, feel sorry for dude who thinks it's his son when he finds out.  I guess his two scenes in X3 was punishment for going to the other side, ha ha
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: The Dark Wright on August 15, 2006, 02:55:51 am
Luthor's obsession with Real Estate was the only part that was possibly weak, but they also went in to his motivation a bit, and it made sense (You can't argue with him, land is the only thing they can't make more of).
It made sense but we've already seen it -- for 150 mil I would think we'd want all the originality we could handle...then some.

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the flying scene with Lois was meant to be reminiscent of the first film (Supes saying '[He can take you flying, but]not like this'),
I got that much, but I don't know... what -- cause it looked better than C. Reeves and M. Kidder back in '78-9 we needed to see it again? I found myself yawning.

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and the mini-gun bank robber scene was a thing of beauty.
Okay, they answered the life long question -- "why doesn't anyone ever shoot SM in the face?" I admit -- bullet off the eye - cool but it wasn't enough.

SM is a tough character to empathize with -- you never quite feel like he may fail --  esp. when he's squaring off against mere mortals -- f**k, he's Super Man! And I thought Spacey was underused -- the part just wasn't big enough for him -- that guy's a genius -- he kills just about all he touches and he had no one to play off of... no one. Maybe I'm too tough a critic.  SpiderMan 2... best comic-movie to date, IMO.  I think Super Man needs to go away... and return again :-[

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I'm sorry you were disappointed, I loved it.
Me too -- glad you liked though.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 15, 2006, 03:21:20 am
Luthor's obsession with Real Estate was the only part that was possibly weak, but they also went in to his motivation a bit, and it made sense (You can't argue with him, land is the only thing they can't make more of).
It made sense but we've already seen it -- for 150 mil I would think we'd want all the originality we could handle...then some.

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the flying scene with Lois was meant to be reminiscent of the first film (Supes saying '[He can take you flying, but]not like this'),
I got that much, but I don't know... what -- cause it looked better than C. Reeves and M. Kidder back in '78-9 we needed to see it again? I found myself yawning.

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and the mini-gun bank robber scene was a thing of beauty.

best comic book movie?  I'll go with the Crow or the first Blade.
Okay, they answered the life long question -- "why doesn't anyone ever shoot SM in the face?" I admit -- bullet off the eye - cool but it wasn't enough.

SM is a tough character to empathize with -- you never quite feel like he may fail --  esp. when he's squaring off against mere mortals -- f**k, he's Super Man! And I thought Spacey was underused -- the part just wasn't big enough for him -- that guy's a genius -- he kills just about all he touches and he had no one to play off of... no one. Maybe I'm too tough a critic.  SpiderMan 2... best comic-movie to date, IMO.  I think Super Man needs to go away... and return again :-[

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I'm sorry you were disappointed, I loved it.
Me too -- glad you liked though.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Wise Son on August 15, 2006, 03:27:59 am
Mr. Wright, I do agree that tying it so closely to the original movies was not the way they might have gone. Nearly 20 years had passed, maybe it was time for a reimagining.
What about Superman's son, that came out of left field, I knew nothing about that before seeing the movie and it had been out for a while. Lois is scandalous, feel sorry for dude who thinks it's his son when he finds out.
Lois didn't know that it was Superman's son. Lois doesn't eevn know she slept with Superman, remember he mind-wiped her at the end of Superman II with a Rohypnol kiss?
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: True Father 7 on August 15, 2006, 03:49:31 am
Mr. Wright, I do agree that tying it so closely to the original movies was not the way they might have gone. Nearly 20 years had passed, maybe it was time for a reimagining.
What about Superman's son, that came out of left field, I knew nothing about that before seeing the movie and it had been out for a while. Lois is scandalous, feel sorry for dude who thinks it's his son when he finds out.
Lois didn't know that it was Superman's son. Lois doesn't eevn know she slept with Superman, remember he mind-wiped her at the end of Superman II with a Rohypnol kiss?

dang, you're right.  I liked the part when his son looked at Supes on tv then at Clark and started hyper ventilating.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: sunjata on August 15, 2006, 05:51:10 am
As I stated before I enjoyed the movie but thought it needed a worthy adversary besides Lex.  I do not think that would have taken away from the great characterization of his alienation from humanity that was captured so beautifully in the sequences where he floats over the Earth listening to all the cries for help knowing he cannot answer them all.  He cannot be a true part of humanity if he is going to be the savior of humanity.

I think that a worthy adversary could have strengthened this characterization.  In the first Spider-Man movie Green Goblin selfishness and corporate greed was contrasted with Spidey’s self-sacrifice and his desire to serve mankind making his characterization stronger.  The physical confrontation between the two adversaries represents that struggle between ideologies. 

In “Superman Returns” Lex was basically portraying the Satan role to Supes Jesus.  There needed to be more of a journey taken by each character that leads to a confrontation that defines where their journeys have led them.  Unlike the Goblin we do not see Lex on his journey.  He starts out evil and with no humanity left at the very beginning of the movie.   
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Hypestyle on August 15, 2006, 11:23:29 am
Expand Supes' cinematic rogues.. I want to see Darkseid and/or Brainiac in the next film.. Maybe the Parasite, as a lesser villain/henchman..
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: The Dark Wright on August 15, 2006, 01:19:40 pm
best comic book movie?  I'll go with the Crow or the first Blade.
Oh, man -- I LIKE these movies, I truly do (and don't even get me started on the Crow -- whenever I think about the accident I become increasingly pissed) but I've always liked sequels -- I feel we've cut through all the...getting to know you bit and now we focus on the true character and I feel Spidey 2 just has this angle in spades -- we really get to the heart of PP and what makes him who he is.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 17, 2006, 05:13:31 am

no, what's the science?  And Open Palm, what's ROD?


O.T. Holy sh*te! I've watched episode 14. Now I know what the secret British Library was about! They were planning to resurrect the British Empire through control of information and preservation of Britain's greatest genius!

I say let it stay dead!! Death to the imperialists! I spit on them! Ptew! Ptew! >:(
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on August 17, 2006, 07:05:53 am
Lois didn't know that it was Superman's son. Lois doesn't eevn know she slept with Superman, remember he mind-wiped her at the end of Superman II with a Rohypnol kiss?

According to the director, Bryan Singer, she did know she slept with Supes. The first two movies are set in a "vague history" so it's a continuation...but not a "direct continuation.
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: sunjata on August 17, 2006, 07:10:13 am
According to the director, Bryan Singer, she did know she slept with Supes. The first two movies are set in a "vague history" so it's a continuation...but not a "direct continuation.
That is freaking confusing.  Why put in so many references to the first to films if it is only a "vague history"?
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 18, 2006, 07:39:38 am
Here is an article about the perfomance and debacle over X3 and Superman Returns. But I wish the article could have covered more on the performance of X3.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20060818/115588788100.html
Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: sunjata on August 20, 2006, 05:07:06 am
The Los Angeles Times has an article about the crappy year Warner Bros. has been having.  They talked to Warner Bros. Pictures' President, Alan Horn and one of the subjects was the disappointing performance of Superman Returns.

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Horn declined to divulge figures, but a person familiar with the studio's internal projections said Warner's cut of the "Superman Returns" profit was expected to be $50 million to $60 million. The film cost $209 million to produce and more than $100 million to market worldwide.

Horn expects "Superman Returns" to eventually gross about $400 million worldwide, more than last year's hit "Batman Begins." Nonetheless, "Superman" fell at least $100 million short of his expectations.

"I thought it was a very successful movie, but I think it should have done $500 million worldwide," Horn said. "We should have had perhaps a little more action to satisfy the young male crowd."

Still, he's betting Warner has firmly reestablished the "Superman" franchise and is planning another installment for summer 2009
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Title: Re: finally saw Superman Returns
Post by: Open palm on August 20, 2006, 07:47:25 am
What the heck? How can Warners Bros only get a $50 million cut? Man, they really expected too much! Did they think it was going to be so popular all over?