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Title: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 17, 2018, 12:35:42 pm
https://www.newsarama.com/40864-black-panther-s-shuri-spinning-off-into-her-own.html (https://www.newsarama.com/40864-black-panther-s-shuri-spinning-off-into-her-own.html)

She looks more like movie version instead of the one on the current series?
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ture on July 17, 2018, 01:28:25 pm
I used to be glad to see the expansion of the Black Panther comic book line but with

(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781302906504_p0_v4_s550x406.jpg)
(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781302908324_p0_v2_s550x406.jpg)
(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781302905385_p0_v2_s550x406.jpg)
(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781302913588_p0_v1_s550x406.jpg)

and now this
(https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yMzIvMDU2L29yaWdpbmFsL1NodXJpXzMuanBnPzE1MzE4NDUwOTI=)

We'll have to see.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on July 17, 2018, 01:56:51 pm
I think it will be middle of the road, as her comics usually are. The writer still has to navigate Coates universe and I would like to see what she can do without that around.

She still needs to bring excitement to her stories.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Mad Coco G on July 17, 2018, 02:16:50 pm
Long Live The King was a pleasant surprise so Iíll be optimistic for it
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 17, 2018, 04:13:01 pm
BTW, did you notice that the description kills the idea that the space Wakanda and T'Challa was an alternate reality. 
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on July 17, 2018, 04:25:41 pm
BTW, did you notice that the description kills the idea that the space Wakanda and T'Challa was an alternate reality.

We knew it is 616 Tchalla because of the flashbacks in issue #2. It says he is lost in space. It can still be that he crossed into another universe or got transported into the future.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 18, 2018, 10:45:24 am

  I saw the blurb for the SHURI series this morning on my Google feed. While I'm glad that R to the H's creation is getting even more shine [ after the knock em dead performance by Letitia Wright displayed COOGLER'S Shuri ]...I have at best hostile suspicion and immediate disinterest about any iteration of BP having to deal with the vomit of Turd Narrator Chokes'  T'Chumpa the Bland Panther.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on July 18, 2018, 04:04:54 pm

  I saw the blurb for the SHURI series this morning on my Google feed. While I'm glad that R to the H's creation is getting even more shine [ after the knock em dead performance by Letitia Wright displayed COOGLER'S Shuri ]...I have at best hostile suspicion and immediate disinterest about any iteration of BP having to deal with the vomit of Turd Narrator Chokes'  T'Chumpa the Bland Panther.

Nnedi like Ewing works within the current cannon, but does her own thing. I've never seen her say she consults on talks to Coates about her stories.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 18, 2018, 10:30:00 pm

  I saw the blurb for the SHURI series this morning on my Google feed. While I'm glad that R to the H's creation is getting even more shine [ after the knock em dead performance by Letitia Wright displayed COOGLER'S Shuri ]...I have at best hostile suspicion and immediate disinterest about any iteration of BP having to deal with the vomit of Turd Narrator Chokes'  T'Chumpa the Bland Panther.

Nnedi like Ewing works within the current cannon, but does her own thing. I've never seen her say she consults on talks to Coates about her stories.


That right there? Could lead me to buy the book. I'm still a little "eehhhh" because I haven't heard good things about her comic books. How does she do with her comics?
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on July 19, 2018, 04:22:08 am


That right there? Could lead me to buy the book. I'm still a little "eehhhh" because I haven't heard good things about her comic books. How does she do with her comics?

She is pretty average. Good potential, but kinda plays it safe and doesn't go for the brass ring. Ewing worked within cannon and still had shock value. She needs more of that.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on July 19, 2018, 04:24:14 am
It appears her comics themselves are pretty good, it's just her BP work so far hasn't been very impressive. Long live the King in my opinion just showed how much she doesn't do well writing male Characters, especially ones such as Tchalla who is a genius warrior king and leader of the most advanced nation on earth. Made him a bit more bumbling and ooc in favor of pet Characters that we will likely never see again.

Wakanda forever is definitely more in her wheelhouse. But the transformation of Nakia had been jarring to say the least
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: 4sake on July 21, 2018, 05:23:05 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07/21/preview-shuri-1/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07/21/preview-shuri-1/)
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 03, 2018, 03:13:47 pm
From Realdealholy. CBR. I like the art(not the close ups) and the dialogue is good. Although she seems to have regressed Shuri to pouting teenager. lol

But that is just an impressions from these few pages.


(https://i.postimg.cc/SqDMVmD7/14215_ACF-41_AF-4_AB3-_A6_C1-2508548_FE0_B6.jpg?dl=1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fZT3V6D3/02_D7_E878-9_FE2-44_D2-_A4_CD-76_CA8353_A6_B0.jpg?dl=1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4ZLYVBxW/30_B0_A723-_FAD5-4294-_A94_D-89_AA5_E8_E40_D0.jpg?dl=1)[/
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on October 09, 2018, 09:26:12 pm
That art is.... Interesting... They gotta do better if they want it to actually stick. Nnedi needs to go her game, hit that doesn't mean anything at all of the art is visually horrendous like what's been shown
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 10, 2018, 01:00:33 pm
That art is.... Interesting... They gotta do better if they want it to actually stick. Nnedi needs to go her game, hit that doesn't mean anything at all of the art is visually horrendous like what's been shown

The art isn't horrendous, but it's way below what ANY Panther related project should be getting. No disrespect to the artist, as the artist I'm sure put heart and soul into the renderings, and is better than me on my best day...with the artists of Kemet helping me out.

The MCU and Animation projects are absolutely merking the comics, proving that Panther and Shuri and Wakanda are major marketing monsters when the people behind them are given the proper tools and actually give a damn. Kick Ta out. Bring back Reginald Hudlin or Priest. Or at least Narcisse. The sad thing is? Ture and/or I could absolutely smash with T'Challa...and we're not even professional writers. Give any of the people mentioned above...most especially Hudlin and Priest, who have already proven to be big draws...talented artistic teams for a hard 24 issues? You have a big hit on your hands.  Top 20 every month for 2 years. With Top 10's when THE BLACK PANTHER movies hit.

Chokes...er, COATES... is absolutely the worst choice on the board right now, and he should stay far away from T'Challa. Remember "WAKANDA FOREVER"? Insofar as BP is concerned, it should be: "NO NEHISI-COATES FOREVER!"
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on October 13, 2018, 08:32:44 am
The artwork is spectacular! 

It's a refreshing departure from the overexaggerated 'Mr. Renderer' crowd of penciller/inker types typically seen in modern comicbooks.

(https://i.imgur.com/XD0rFdE.jpg)


Just look at the action in this panel:  There are a lot of interesting things happening here;  a simple coin dropped encourages the reader/viewer to anticipate the next panel.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on October 14, 2018, 08:18:09 am
The artwork is spectacular! 

It's a refreshing departure from the overexaggerated 'Mr. Renderer' crowd of penciller/inker types typically seen in modern comicbooks.

(https://i.imgur.com/XD0rFdE.jpg)


Just look at the action in this panel:  There are a lot of interesting things happening here;  a simple coin dropped encourages the reader/viewer to anticipate the next panel.

I am not sure if your serious or being sarcastic, but I personally find d this art to be severely lacking, especially given how well the cover art has been.

Too cartoony and shows a lack of confidence and support from marvel
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 14, 2018, 10:09:29 am
I did like the market place preview except for the face art. But the latest preview release has me reevaluating. Lol
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on October 14, 2018, 12:39:57 pm
I am not sure if your serious or being sarcastic, but I personally find d this art to be severely lacking, especially given how well the cover art has been.

Too cartoony and shows a lack of confidence and support from marvel



Regarding the cover art; not relevant to the discussion at hand considering that the comicbook book cover art is not always consistant with the inside content art but I'll oblige your reply anyway. 
Have no idea what the cover art is but what I do know is that the cover art generally serves 2 purposes:

1. lures the reader to pick up and buy the book.

2. assist in telling the story

The artwork inside this book... hell, just this one panel alone,  is infinitely superior to comicbook artists who prefer to render their drawings with lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa lines striking poses instead of telling the story sequentially, thus, the reasoning behind the name... 'Mr. Renderer'

In the panel I chose as an example, there are at least several different story elements going on before a caption, or word balloon is placed inside. 
'Mr. Renderer' has a tough time trying to tell the story in his work because he prefers to smother his drawings with lotsa,  lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa crosshatching lines.  :)

If anyone is doing MARVEL a disservice that would be any other artist except the sample panel above.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 17, 2018, 09:37:54 am
Shuri was fairly average. Standard Coates era men vs women in WK commentary. Why Shuri behaves younger is explained.

Tchalla is officially Queen of England status. Might as well join Avengers full time. Lol

The spending bill to setup the new Avengers base and paying the upcoming agents of Wakanda must have taken forever to get through committee
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CKW on October 18, 2018, 03:50:07 pm
Variant cover for issue 2

(https://i.postimg.cc/7w4H35yj/65-AC7-C56-A391-467-D-B7-F9-4-D17-A956-FC82.jpg?dl=1)
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on October 18, 2018, 05:35:20 pm
The criticism of the artwork for some of these book covers is rather amusing.  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/ykC4C8r.jpg)

Strategically, the artist(s) clearly wants to attract readers by having the characters dress to impress by donning a pair o' new kicks or acquiring wings... or anything different than the last cover.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CKW on October 19, 2018, 03:26:07 am
The criticism of the artwork for some of these book covers is rather amusing.  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/ykC4C8r.jpg)

Strategically, the artist(s) clearly wants to attract readers by having the characters dress to impress by donning a pair o' new kicks or acquiring wings... or anything different than the last cover.

Those aren't 'new kicks' they are something she invented for stealth ...I think she called them sneakers ;D
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on October 19, 2018, 04:06:37 am
Those aren't 'new kicks' they are something she invented for stealth ...I think she called them sneakers ;D



Try using Google for clarification (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kicks+slang).  (https://i.imgur.com/0ReXA0j.gif)


Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CKW on October 19, 2018, 08:12:14 am
Those aren't 'new kicks' they are something she invented for stealth ...I think she called them sneakers ;D



Try using Google for clarification ([url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kicks+slang[/url]).  ([url]https://i.imgur.com/0ReXA0j.gif[/url])


Sneakers = nod to the scene in the movie...ah forget it. But yes the cover artists for the books have done stellar work so far.


(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SkinnyOddballAlabamamapturtle-max-1mb.gif)


Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 19, 2018, 06:25:55 pm
Those aren't 'new kicks' they are something she invented for stealth ...I think she called them sneakers ;D



Try using Google for clarification ([url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kicks+slang[/url]).  ([url]https://i.imgur.com/0ReXA0j.gif[/url])


Sneakers = nod to the scene in the movie...ah forget it. But yes the cover artists for the books have done stellar work so far.


([url]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SkinnyOddballAlabamamapturtle-max-1mb.gif[/url])


I got it... Thought it was a good joke.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on October 19, 2018, 07:15:55 pm

I got it... Thought it was a good joke.




Quote
The criticism of the artwork for some of these book covers is rather amusing.



Yeah... so did I.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on October 21, 2018, 08:01:54 am
Shuri was fairly average. Standard Coates era men vs women in WK commentary. Why Shuri behaves younger is explained.

Tchalla is officially Queen of England status. Might as well join Avengers full time. Lol

The spending bill to setup the new Avengers base and paying the upcoming agents of Wakanda must have taken forever to get through committee

Eh it doesn't really explain why she is acting younger. It tries to give a one liner but it hardly explains the jarring difference between Nnedis Shuri and even Coates Shuri. Who are practically two different Characters all together.

There could of been much better ways to go about this story that would of made it less jarring, and naturally aligned Shuri with her MCU counter part in a smoother transition while setting up the story.

The best way to start this would of been to make it start on the past rather then current day, and also Nnedi needs to drop this whole "T'Challa was born the right gender and is older" because that's not why he became BP and not her. She received the same training, and education, she was never treated like a tag along either. This men vs women thing needs to stop
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on December 07, 2018, 03:00:22 pm
Read the first two issues today. It (along with the Killmonger issue I read) reminded me of the Blade problem where Marvel tried to fit the more popular movie iterations of a character within the existing comic book framework and it's not working so well. Especially when you try to meld the younger, more lighthearted tech genius Shuri from the films with the more serious warrior-queen from the comics. I think they should've just done a series based on the Shuri from the film and not tried to tie it into the ongoing Black Panther series. I feel the same way about Killmonger.

With Shuri, I had some issues with the first book. I thought Shuri felt out of character to me, movies or from what I read about her in the comics (and I am behind on her most recent depictions), in her not having the urgency to find T'Challa. And the author had to slip in some feminism which I didn't think was necessary. The council of women wishing to declare Shuri the new Black Panther felt rash as well and dismissive of T'Challa. I don't think mainstream people know how to elevate female characters without doing it at the expense of male characters.

I liked the second issue better. I think the author put the Black Panther mantle offer at the end of the first issue so that Shuri could reject it and forge her own path. I'm fine with that. I also liked the inclusion of Storm, and also another former T'Challa girlfriend. One thing that didn't make sense to me was Shuri developed nanowings in the first issue but chose not to use them for a flying bike instead. I get it shows off her genius, but Storm could already fly and why introduce the wings in the first issue and not have a payoff with them in the second, when the story set it up to do so?

I liked the second issue more than the first, but then it veered left for me at the end and I think I'm done. I might pick up the trade though. I really did like the covers for both books though.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on December 07, 2018, 05:22:37 pm
I felt Kilmonger wasn't the same as Shuri. He does not have a whole lot of origin to go off of so I don't see it as the same. Kilmonger was a much better set up
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on December 08, 2018, 05:55:49 am
I don't disagree, however the similarities I was referring to is how Shuri and Killmonger have more popular movie versions but Marvel is trying to graft that onto the comics lore/histories, like Marvel did with Blade (and did mostly poorly). There is much more lore/history with Shuri to be certain and that makes the job difficult, as well as the comics Shuri had a different personality than the movie one. Comics Shuri also looked older to me, though I don't know how old she was. From what little I've read of the comics Killmonger he's not that much different than the movie version, though his beliefs weren't as sharpened.

Though comic Killmonger has less backstory and focus than comic Shuri, I still would've been fine if they retconned the comics version to make him the cousin of T'Challa to just make the connection neater. Unfortunately the film didn't have the time to show us how Killmonger met up with Klaue, etc. and I would've liked to have seen that. Also, I would've liked to have seen more of Killmonger's girlfriend from the film as well.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on December 08, 2018, 07:15:02 pm
Basically all I'm saying is that I agree with you on comic Shuri. This series is incredibly jarring in terms of the forced change I mean this goes against even what Coates was doing.

As for Erik I am  fine with them not adopting the full mcu Kilmonger because it's supposed to be his origin story for the comics, not the movie so it doesn't have to be exact.

Basically Shuris book is poorly handled currently and should of been a prequel, Kilmongers is being handled alot better
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on December 09, 2018, 07:04:38 am
I'm not arguing here; more so I wanted to clarify what I had written before because I wasn't sure it was clear. I will say though I don't feel as good about Killmonger's book or as bad about Shuri's as you do though. The feminist undertones in the Shuri book are not for me, and I'm iffy on the artwork.

I am leaning more toward Killmonger's book, in part for some of the things you pointed out. There's more room to play around with Killmonger, to mix the MCU and comics versions together. I still wish that both Shuri and Killmonger were miniseries that built on the movie portrayals. I do think there is less dissonance though if a new reader got into Killmonger's book compared to Shuri's. I could see new readers, who loved Shuri in the film, being a bit lost if they read that first issue. Though that's something that isn't unique to Shuri, it happens pretty much with other characters that make it to the movies or television as well.

It seems at best the comics might do a visual reboot or add a few characters from the show or movie (like how the Green Arrow comic introduced both Felicity and Diggle, and attempted to graft them onto that ongoing story, which wasn't great IMO. And I don't think either stuck around long. I haven't read all of those books though and not sure when they both were dropped. I think Diggle lasted longer than Felicity).

Since Shuri made such a splash with audiences I wish Marvel had dedicated a comic that captured her voice and could be a gateway for fans of the movie interpretation, to fully capitalize on the popularity of the character. I also thought that Killmonger's MCU backstory had a lot of space to fill in and would've liked to have seen that as well. It could very well be though that the antagonistic "Knight" in the first Killmonger issue turns out to be a stand-in for his doomed girlfriend. Making Killmonger part of the royal family simplifies things more than the comics version IMO.

I wish Blade comics had just rebooted or re-imagined back in the day using the movies as the inspiration, more than just for visuals. Just re-imagine the old Blade stories and characters through the lens of the then popular films and maybe Marvel would've had another hit book on their hands.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 09, 2018, 11:37:03 am
I'm not arguing here; more so I wanted to clarify what I had written before because I wasn't sure it was clear. I will say though I don't feel as good about Killmonger's book or as bad about Shuri's as you do though. The feminist undertones in the Shuri book are not for me, and I'm iffy on the artwork.

I am leaning more toward Killmonger's book, in part for some of the things you pointed out. There's more room to play around with Killmonger, to mix the MCU and comics versions together. I still wish that both Shuri and Killmonger were miniseries that built on the movie portrayals. I do think there is less dissonance though if a new reader got into Killmonger's book compared to Shuri's. I could see new readers, who loved Shuri in the film, being a bit lost if they read that first issue. Though that's something that isn't unique to Shuri, it happens pretty much with other characters that make it to the movies or television as well.

It seems at best the comics might do a visual reboot or add a few characters from the show or movie (like how the Green Arrow comic introduced both Felicity and Diggle, and attempted to graft them onto that ongoing story, which wasn't great IMO. And I don't think either stuck around long. I haven't read all of those books though and not sure when they both were dropped. I think Diggle lasted longer than Felicity).

Since Shuri made such a splash with audiences I wish Marvel had dedicated a comic that captured her voice and could be a gateway for fans of the movie interpretation, to fully capitalize on the popularity of the character. I also thought that Killmonger's MCU backstory had a lot of space to fill in and would've liked to have seen that as well. It could very well be though that the antagonistic "Knight" in the first Killmonger issue turns out to be a stand-in for his doomed girlfriend. Making Killmonger part of the royal family simplifies things more than the comics version IMO.

I wish Blade comics had just rebooted or re-imagined back in the day using the movies as the inspiration, more than just for visuals. Just re-imagine the old Blade stories and characters through the lens of the then popular films and maybe Marvel would've had another hit book on their hands.


I completely agree with the ideas about blending and/or reinterpreting Blade, Felicity, Diggle, Shuri, Killmonger, etc. except for Zuri [ who should survive, and blend CJP's version with the MCU version ]. The notion that MCU Shuri is the prequel to current RH+Hickman Shuri is the essence of common sense, imo. Making Killmonger YET ANOTHER Royal Family member is both a cool move and a bit of a tiresome gimmick. It's incredibly cool because MCU Killmonger as interpreted by Michael B. Jordan? Is dat dude. Period.  It'll be very hard for anyone else to be Killmonger.

It's a bit tiresome because it requires willful editing of the Royal Family members, and reduction/changing/altering/weakening the story. Hunter's story becomes very difficult to reconcile, forcing a fundamental change in the character AND the seminal CJP run. Which imo shouldn't happen at all. Especially when there's ways to write all of these pieces together and weave them into incredibly compelling wholes.  Plus explain everything from McGregor's run to right now without erasing Continuity.

This also ignores Royals and those closely linked to the Royals who have incredible potential as allies, enemies and frenemies...like Uncle Syan, cousin T'Chan, D'Cigswayo aka D'Ciggs Shuri's twin brother [ whose history they completely erased; in the early aversions of T'Challa's history recorded on Wikipedia I saw D'Ciggs' name madd years ago, just a mention of "D'Cigswayo", a name taken of course from the warrior leader of similar name...Dingiswayo, the second King whom Shaka Zulu served under. This continues the Shaka Zulu theme, as quite obviously the names "T'Chaka" and "T'Challa" of course come from the name of Shaka himself. When I saw his name, Jakarra's history, and that Ramonda was pregnant at the time that RH had Klaue attack and kill T'Chaka...I made D'Ciggs the twin of Shuri. I also pondered making D'Ciggs the twin of Mateena and T'Chaka's son Jakarra, but that brings D'Ciggs too close to Killmonger's background story imo  ]  and leader of the KMH, Jakarra from whose story I see elements of MCU Killmonger, The Black Musketeers to whom I added both Battlestar and Triathlon [ due to their previous association with BP ] to and recast as Kifalme Mashujaa ya Heshima which means "The Royal Heroes/Warriors of Honor",  Priest's iteration of The Crew whom I had to rename as "The Shadow Squad" in English and in Swahili as Kikosi Cha Kuvuli [ "Shadow Squad" ]  due to TNC's complete change of The Crew's roster, etc.   
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on December 09, 2018, 12:19:27 pm
I'm not arguing here; more so I wanted to clarify what I had written before because I wasn't sure it was clear. I will say though I don't feel as good about Killmonger's book or as bad about Shuri's as you do though. The feminist undertones in the Shuri book are not for me, and I'm iffy on the artwork.

I am leaning more toward Killmonger's book, in part for some of the things you pointed out. There's more room to play around with Killmonger, to mix the MCU and comics versions together. I still wish that both Shuri and Killmonger were miniseries that built on the movie portrayals. I do think there is less dissonance though if a new reader got into Killmonger's book compared to Shuri's. I could see new readers, who loved Shuri in the film, being a bit lost if they read that first issue. Though that's something that isn't unique to Shuri, it happens pretty much with other characters that make it to the movies or television as well.

It seems at best the comics might do a visual reboot or add a few characters from the show or movie (like how the Green Arrow comic introduced both Felicity and Diggle, and attempted to graft them onto that ongoing story, which wasn't great IMO. And I don't think either stuck around long. I haven't read all of those books though and not sure when they both were dropped. I think Diggle lasted longer than Felicity).

Since Shuri made such a splash with audiences I wish Marvel had dedicated a comic that captured her voice and could be a gateway for fans of the movie interpretation, to fully capitalize on the popularity of the character. I also thought that Killmonger's MCU backstory had a lot of space to fill in and would've liked to have seen that as well. It could very well be though that the antagonistic "Knight" in the first Killmonger issue turns out to be a stand-in for his doomed girlfriend. Making Killmonger part of the royal family simplifies things more than the comics version IMO.

I wish Blade comics had just rebooted or re-imagined back in the day using the movies as the inspiration, more than just for visuals. Just re-imagine the old Blade stories and characters through the lens of the then popular films and maybe Marvel would've had another hit book on their hands.


I completely agree with the ideas about blending and/or reinterpreting Blade, Felicity, Diggle, Shuri, Killmonger, etc. except for Zuri [ who should survive, and blend CJP's version with the MCU version ]. The notion that MCU Shuri is the prequel to current RH+Hickman Shuri is the essence of common sense, imo. Making Killmonger YET ANOTHER Royal Family member is both a cool move and a bit of a tiresome gimmick. It's incredibly cool because MCU Killmonger as interpreted by Michael B. Jordan? Is dat dude. Period.  It'll be very hard for anyone else to be Killmonger.

It's a bit tiresome because it requires willful editing of the Royal Family members, and reduction/changing/altering/weakening the story. Hunter's story becomes very difficult to reconcile, forcing a fundamental change in the character AND the seminal CJP run. Which imo shouldn't happen at all. Especially when there's ways to write all of these pieces together and weave them into incredibly compelling wholes.  Plus explain everything from McGregor's run to right now without erasing Continuity.

This also ignores Royals and those closely linked to the Royals who have incredible potential as allies, enemies and frenemies...like Uncle Syan, cousin T'Chan, D'Cigswayo aka D'Ciggs Shuri's twin brother [ whose history they completely erased; in the early aversions of T'Challa's history recorded on Wikipedia I saw D'Ciggs' name madd years ago, just a mention of "D'Cigswayo", a name taken of course from the warrior leader of similar name...Dingiswayo, the second King whom Shaka Zulu served under. This continues the Shaka Zulu theme, as quite obviously the names "T'Chaka" and "T'Challa" of course come from the name of Shaka himself. When I saw his name, Jakarra's history, and that Ramonda was pregnant at the time that RH had Klaue attack and kill T'Chaka...I made D'Ciggs the twin of Shuri. I also pondered making D'Ciggs the twin of Mateena and T'Chaka's son Jakarra, but that brings D'Ciggs too close to Killmonger's background story imo  ]  and leader of the KMH, Jakarra from whose story I see elements of MCU Killmonger, The Black Musketeers to whom I added both Battlestar and Triathlon [ due to their previous association with BP ] to and recast as Kifalme Mashujaa ya Heshima which means "The Royal Heroes/Warriors of Honor",  Priest's iteration of The Crew whom I had to rename as "The Shadow Squad" in English and in Swahili as Kikosi Cha Kuvuli [ "Shadow Squad" ]  due to TNC's complete change of The Crew's roster, etc.

Whoa brother, you went deep. I've never even heard of D'Ciggs. I have heard of Jakarra though, and I wish he hadn't been written out of continuity. I do agree that making Killmonger part of the royal family is a tiresome trope, however it does simply things and I was thinking in terms of new readers. That being said, you don't want to put potential or imaginary 'new readers' over tried and true readers either. But at the same time, older readers have been charitable when it comes to revising the royal bloodline already, so might be more so again, if there is a benefit to building on Black Panther  universe's popularity on the printed page.

Normally I do like adhering to canon and continuity, especially for something like Star Trek, as opposed to ditching it. But comics-already are pretty fluid when it comes to continuity-and I am okay with being flexible when it comes to Killmonger even within the ongoing Black Panther title. Though with Shuri, I prefer the Hudlin version in the ongoing title, and a non-continuity MCU take on her for her current solo book.

I'm sure I've said in the past, but your knowledge of this character and what you bring to it, I think you need to create your own character and really bring all of what you have to that character, something Marvel won't do with Black Panther and his world. I'm a fan of Black Panther, many of the supporting characters, but not to the level of you and many others on this forum. That being said, I always have to keep in mind that he's owned by Marvel/Disney and he can only get so high. I would like to see you take your concept as high as you can, without the limitations, or constraints, placed on it that are placed on Black Panther.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on December 09, 2018, 01:52:25 pm
I'm not arguing here; more so I wanted to clarify what I had written before because I wasn't sure it was clear. I will say though I don't feel as good about Killmonger's book or as bad about Shuri's as you do though. The feminist undertones in the Shuri book are not for me, and I'm iffy on the artwork.

I am leaning more toward Killmonger's book, in part for some of the things you pointed out. There's more room to play around with Killmonger, to mix the MCU and comics versions together. I still wish that both Shuri and Killmonger were miniseries that built on the movie portrayals. I do think there is less dissonance though if a new reader got into Killmonger's book compared to Shuri's. I could see new readers, who loved Shuri in the film, being a bit lost if they read that first issue. Though that's something that isn't unique to Shuri, it happens pretty much with other characters that make it to the movies or television as well.

It seems at best the comics might do a visual reboot or add a few characters from the show or movie (like how the Green Arrow comic introduced both Felicity and Diggle, and attempted to graft them onto that ongoing story, which wasn't great IMO. And I don't think either stuck around long. I haven't read all of those books though and not sure when they both were dropped. I think Diggle lasted longer than Felicity).

Since Shuri made such a splash with audiences I wish Marvel had dedicated a comic that captured her voice and could be a gateway for fans of the movie interpretation, to fully capitalize on the popularity of the character. I also thought that Killmonger's MCU backstory had a lot of space to fill in and would've liked to have seen that as well. It could very well be though that the antagonistic "Knight" in the first Killmonger issue turns out to be a stand-in for his doomed girlfriend. Making Killmonger part of the royal family simplifies things more than the comics version IMO.

I wish Blade comics had just rebooted or re-imagined back in the day using the movies as the inspiration, more than just for visuals. Just re-imagine the old Blade stories and characters through the lens of the then popular films and maybe Marvel would've had another hit book on their hands.

I was never under the impression that you were arguing, just having a conversation.  My issues with Shuris book is the equivalent of this post here from another forum:

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1. Why hasnít Shuri done anything about TíChalla, her brother, being missing in a wormhole for two weeks? It is not only unacceptable; this is completely out of character. Comics Shuri wouldíve been on the job within days. She did so days after TíChalla was brought back from limbo in BP Vol. 5: searched for TíChallaís attacker soon after Morlun was defeated.

2. Shuri being a Black Panther wasnít a good fit? Why? No explanation was given. Furthermore, TíChalla is the one known to rule differently than his predecessors. Shuri ruled more or less like the previous panthers.

3. Died wearing the BP suit? Thatís part of the job. BPs know they could possibly die in the line of duty because they put their lives on the line for Wakanda. TíChaka died in battle. SíYan died in battle (post retirement). TíChalla nearly died in battle. Shuri died in battle too. Why is Shuri rejecting her duty, which is extremely contradictory to her previous history?

Hell, her being concerned about dying due to the BP suit directly contradicts her words from the Coates run in issue 12:





These panels are barely a year old. What happened between then and now?

4. In her brotherís shadow? The Wakandan-Atlantean war greatly contradicts that. She had the support of the military, the government, the Hatut Zeraze, the Dora Milaje and the Wakandan people. She left her brotherís shadow a long time ago. Upon her return to the living, Akili addressed by her former title of queen, the same way Wakandans addressed TíChalla as King when he wasnít: as a sign of respect. Ayo said Shuri dying was a factor in her breaking away from the crown with Aneka. She and Aneka addressed her as ďQueenĒ as well.

5. Confused on the ďWakanda wanted my brotherĒ line. TíChalla just dealt with an insurrection. Every ruler deals with it, Shuri included. Doesnít mean that Shuri is a better leader. It means that Wakandans are, ultimately, a highly critical bunch and a very tough people to please. TíChalla took a lot of flack from them. So did Shuri. Iím sure TíChaka and SíYan got their fair share of criticism (TíChaka in particular for marrying an outsider in Ramonda). This is nothing new. That ďWakanda wanted my brotherĒ line, in its proper context, feels very hollow.

6. Wakanda standing on its own without a protector? Did she forget that sheís known as the Aja-Adanna? The Keeper of Wakandan Lore? She is a symbol by default. Furthermore, sheís a former BP and former ruler that came back from the dead. Doesnít get any more symbolic than that. Again, why is she rejecting her duty? Why is she downplaying the Black Panther line to just symbolism and just a protector? The Black Panther line has been a major institution of Wakanda, and it worked!

As a ruler, Shuri took Wakandan traditions very seriously. She continued to do so after returning to the living. You could argue that, in key moments, she took them too seriously. When did this change? Why the change? Again, no explanation and its highly contradictory from previous (and recent) iteration of the character.

7. ďLetís show the world who we areĒ? Not sure what that means. I do know that sheís the Princess of Wakanda, the second-in-line to the throne, a former Black Panther, and a former head of state. Did she forget who she is?

8. Modern African democracy is the future? The monarchy is the reason why Wakanda is ahead of the pack. Wakanda is the future. Said ďdemocracyĒ is still relying on the Black Panther mantle as recently as season 2 of the Coates BP run.

9. Worship TíChalla? Is this about Shuri or TíChalla? Would said character be okay with Shuri ruling? Why the shade on TíChalla? Why not go at the monarchy instead of him in particular? Who said anything about worshiping TíChalla?

Also, the TíChalla shade has to stop. Season 1 of Coatesí BP was more than enough. Many will argue that it went too far. We get it, some Wakandans donít like TíChalla, for various reasons. We had twelve issues about that. Time to move on. Enough is enough.

10. The exchange with Ramonda make sense if one didnít know Shuriís comic book history. Comics Shuri, in this particular scenario, wouldíve accepted the mantle oróat the leastósay no, but insisted on finding out exactly what happened to TíChalla first before doing a mantle transfer. Shuri didnít shy away from her responsibilities for her people and nation. Again, why is she rejecting her duties all the sudden? She might as well abdicate from her position as Princess if sheís going to act in such a fashion.

11. Shuri crying in this particular situation? Just like TíChalla didn't get any sympathy from me when the whole incursion stuff went down, neither will she. At least when TíChalla cried, the existence of Wakanda and another Earth was on the line, and he ended up being disowned by TíChaka because of his choice.

12. Shuri needs ďa little timeĒ to find TíChalla. She had two weeks, what was she waiting for?

This Shuri though? For this portrayal to work, I would have to know nothing about Shuriís previous history. Said historyóas recently as the Coates runóoutright contradicts that entire conversation in the preview page.

Comics Shuri wouldíve started looking for TíChalla long before this meeting. Comics Shuri wouldíve accepted the mantle, or at the least insisted that they should find out what happened to TíChalla first. Comics Shuri never ignored or rejected her duties. She was a leader in her own right, and a respected one towards the end of her reign and onward.

This Shuri in the preview pages? Sheís no leader. She cowers from her duties. Hides when things get tough. Claims to want to not be under TíChallaís shadow, but then runs when itís time to step up.

This is supposed to be the same character that helped defeat Morlun? Eliminated the Desturi? Went toe-to-toe with Namor? Declared war on Atlantis? Had the support of the Hatut Zeraze (AKA the War Dogs, AKA the goons of Wakanda) the Dora Milaje, and the Wakandan military? Fought Proxima Midnight to the death? Got the Doras back in line upon her return? Earned the hard-fought respect of her people?
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Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on December 09, 2018, 03:38:05 pm
^
Well said. You also just went deep. I have my issues with the Shuri book but you really broke it down and showed how it contradicts even the recently established Coates's canon. A well-written rejoinder. It makes me like the two issues I've read even less.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on December 10, 2018, 07:47:34 am
My point isn't to make people hate it, but more do call out the glaring issues instead of letting these new writer's get a pass with these thinly veiled stories. There are so many better ways to address her not wanting to be the BP again, but I feel that Nnedi does not have enough of an understanding of BP and what it's represents to be a good fit for the mythos. especially with the African democracy is the future line
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on January 23, 2019, 09:59:10 am
#4 is the best so far. Moses makes a cameo and Tchalla has set up a Pan African council for the past two years.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on March 08, 2019, 10:05:31 pm
They were better off leaving the intro page out. Lol. The art difference is too obvious. Only a few narration boxes, but Shuri feels more mature.

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Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on March 08, 2019, 10:06:18 pm
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Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on March 09, 2019, 05:32:32 am
Huge improvement on the art side
 Is this the new writer or Nnedi still?
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on March 09, 2019, 05:55:24 am
Huge improvement on the art side
 Is this the new writer or Nnedi still?


New writer for three issues I think.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 11, 2019, 12:36:49 pm
If Marvel Comics isn't letting T'Challa ride on DOOM after all the unstoppable international acclaim that his movie garnered? I simpy have zero real expectations for Shuri, despite my soaring hopes for her potential as a character.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 01, 2019, 07:53:51 am
Shuri #10 will be the last issue written by Nnedi. Not sure if it will go beyond that.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 17, 2019, 09:25:14 am
Ironheart comes to Wakanda in August. Meeting of the female big brains.

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https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/riri-williams-meets-shuri-when-ironheart-9-goes-to-wakanda-this-august?fbclid=IwAR2_BkHB0foZczQfc4Hd2C5pPy-zNRjFxKnJKEGj3b8w2DbVwg93AUDBTME (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/riri-williams-meets-shuri-when-ironheart-9-goes-to-wakanda-this-august?fbclid=IwAR2_BkHB0foZczQfc4Hd2C5pPy-zNRjFxKnJKEGj3b8w2DbVwg93AUDBTME)
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Mad Coco G on May 17, 2019, 04:09:23 pm
Iím cool with it as Ririís comic has been really good and imo Eve Ewing has done a whooooooooooole more for that character than Bendis, thatís not a knock against him but imo during his final Marvel years I think he was burned out especially on writing Miles because whooooooooboi was that last run rough.

Shuri is in this odd place of the Coates stuff was a thing( Iíll be nice and leave it at that ) while MCU Shuri is the embodiment of ďblack girls rockĒ and Iím all for that as theyíre basically trying to find a happy medium for her character. Iíve been buying this series since the start but Iíve only read the recent team up issues with Miles & Kamala( there ainít enough hours in a day ) but I plan to binge the previous issues to see if Iíll keep it or just come back for the Riri team up, I did finally drop Coates run as I havenít read a issue since.........issue whatever Chris Sprouse was drawing
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 17, 2019, 04:16:48 pm
I like what Ewing is doing as well. The first issue for me was rough, but she's adjusted to comic writing very well.

And Saladin is doing comic of the year work with Miles.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Mad Coco G on May 17, 2019, 04:21:03 pm
Ahmedís run is the only comic I subscribe too that Iím consistently reading the day it drops, I heart that comic
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 17, 2019, 04:39:08 pm
I don't know what is going on with the BP/Shuri side of things. They must have a different assistant editorial group than the Avengers, Miles, Riri side of things. Because the quality is noticeable different.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 18, 2019, 01:11:38 am
Iím cool with it as Ririís comic has been really good and imo Eve Ewing has done a whooooooooooole more for that character than Bendis, thatís not a knock against him but imo during his final Marvel years I think he was burned out especially on writing Miles because whooooooooboi was that last run rough.

Shuri is in this odd place of the Coates stuff was a thing( Iíll be nice and leave it at that ) while MCU Shuri is the embodiment of ďblack girls rockĒ and Iím all for that as theyíre basically trying to find a happy medium for her character. Iíve been buying this series since the start but Iíve only read the recent team up issues with Miles & Kamala( there ainít enough hours in a day ) but I plan to binge the previous issues to see if Iíll keep it or just come back for the Riri team up, I did finally drop Coates run as I havenít read a issue since.........issue whatever Chris Sprouse was drawing
Ironheart comes to Wakanda in August. Meeting of the female big brains.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg)

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/riri-williams-meets-shuri-when-ironheart-9-goes-to-wakanda-this-august?fbclid=IwAR2_BkHB0foZczQfc4Hd2C5pPy-zNRjFxKnJKEGj3b8w2DbVwg93AUDBTME (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/riri-williams-meets-shuri-when-ironheart-9-goes-to-wakanda-this-august?fbclid=IwAR2_BkHB0foZczQfc4Hd2C5pPy-zNRjFxKnJKEGj3b8w2DbVwg93AUDBTME)


Idk that IRONHEART still had her own book. It's very good to see. I haven't read the book since Bendis penned it. My last ish was the ish after Riri met Pepper. Reading that Eve Ewing...is she Al Ewing's wife?...pens it and the positive reviews from the hard to please fans here? I'm definitely going back and getting as much of the whole run as I can. I haven't been into collecting comics for the better part of...too long.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on May 18, 2019, 04:37:08 am
She's an intellectual similar to Coates which is why I was worried at first. Lol. But she shown that she understands comic writing better than he does.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 18, 2019, 08:01:28 am
She's an intellectual similar to Coates which is why I was worried at first. Lol. But she shown that she understands comic writing better than he does.

Dung in a wormhole shows that it has better understanding of comic book writing than TurnCoates does.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Mad Coco G on May 27, 2019, 12:17:50 pm
Iím cool with it as Ririís comic has been really good and imo Eve Ewing has done a whooooooooooole more for that character than Bendis, thatís not a knock against him but imo during his final Marvel years I think he was burned out especially on writing Miles because whooooooooboi was that last run rough.

Shuri is in this odd place of the Coates stuff was a thing( Iíll be nice and leave it at that ) while MCU Shuri is the embodiment of ďblack girls rockĒ and Iím all for that as theyíre basically trying to find a happy medium for her character. Iíve been buying this series since the start but Iíve only read the recent team up issues with Miles & Kamala( there ainít enough hours in a day ) but I plan to binge the previous issues to see if Iíll keep it or just come back for the Riri team up, I did finally drop Coates run as I havenít read a issue since.........issue whatever Chris Sprouse was drawing
Ironheart comes to Wakanda in August. Meeting of the female big brains.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg)

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/riri-williams-meets-shuri-when-ironheart-9-goes-to-wakanda-this-august?fbclid=IwAR2_BkHB0foZczQfc4Hd2C5pPy-zNRjFxKnJKEGj3b8w2DbVwg93AUDBTME (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/riri-williams-meets-shuri-when-ironheart-9-goes-to-wakanda-this-august?fbclid=IwAR2_BkHB0foZczQfc4Hd2C5pPy-zNRjFxKnJKEGj3b8w2DbVwg93AUDBTME)


Idk that IRONHEART still had her own book. It's very good to see. I haven't read the book since Bendis penned it. My last ish was the ish after Riri met Pepper. Reading that Eve Ewing...is she Al Ewing's wife?...pens it and the positive reviews from the hard to please fans here? I'm definitely going back and getting as much of the whole run as I can. I haven't been into collecting comics for the better part of...too long.


They just happen to have the same last name, just like with Miles and Saladin Riri has been far better served under Eveís pen
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on June 19, 2019, 09:15:36 am
Shuri was okay, based on #10s cover, she might be getting her powers back for the series ending. Which would make becoming BP for this mini worthless. Lol.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on June 19, 2019, 02:11:49 pm
Shuri was okay, based on #10s cover, she might be getting her powers back for the series ending. Which would make becoming BP for this mini worthless. Lol.

Nah it wouldn't because the whole point of her being reluctant, immature shuffling away of responsibilities was to have her step up and be BP (again) and prove that even though she was born the wrong gender (she wasn't) she didn't have to live in T'Challas Shadow (she wasn't) and Wakanda doesn't need a BP (it does) because democracy is the future (it's not and never has been or should be for Wakanda) so it was all worth it to come full circle.  :P
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 19, 2019, 02:29:57 pm
Shuri was okay, based on #10s cover, she might be getting her powers back for the series ending. Which would make becoming BP for this mini worthless. Lol.

Nah it wouldn't because the whole point of her being reluctant, immature shuffling away of responsibilities was to have her step up and be BP (again) and prove that even though she was born the wrong gender (she wasn't) she didn't have to live in T'Challas Shadow (she wasn't) and Wakanda doesn't need a BP (it does) because democracy is the future (it's not and never has been or should be for Wakanda) so it was all worth it to come full circle.  :P


So. This series is garbage. Check. If Marvel doesn't want a garbage series, and they're too doofus to bring back Priest and R to the H? Marvel should give a series to Redjack, Narcisse, Ture, and/or other HEFfas. But that makes too much sense for the comic book side of Marvel.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on June 21, 2019, 05:35:10 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/20/is-shuri-canceled-in-july/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/20/is-shuri-canceled-in-july/)
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 21, 2019, 06:25:51 pm
[url]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/20/is-shuri-canceled-in-july/[/url] ([url]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/20/is-shuri-canceled-in-july/[/url])



This is both a sad and a good thing.

Marvel seems determined to find garbage writers in the comic book medium who are focused on sinking the magnificent franchise of the BP. Imagine if these books were handed over to Redjack, Narcisse, Ture, etc. They'd make a profitable 12 issue maxiseries at the very least. If they could for GOD'S SAKE get TurnCoates off of BP? And put back RH or Priest or Redjack or Narcisse or Ture or even me? With some serious artistic firepower for 15 issues? A hit would be had. And then? We'd have a serious BP COMIC BOOK RENAISSANCE that would be worthy of and build in comics sales upon the magnificent triumphs of MCU BP.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: JRCarter on June 21, 2019, 06:39:31 pm
Your lips to God's ears.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 21, 2019, 06:56:19 pm
Your lips to God's ears.

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Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Emperorjones on June 22, 2019, 04:30:21 am
http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html (http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html)
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 26, 2019, 09:42:39 pm
[url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url] ([url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url])


When you don't have a writer on the book because the main writer has walked off AND you don't have a replacement? That book IS CANCELLED. Period.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: MindofShadow on June 27, 2019, 07:13:09 am
[url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url] ([url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url])


When you don't have a writer on the book because the main writer has walked off AND you don't have a replacement? That book IS CANCELLED. Period.


garbage sales month after month

no writer

no replacement

no solicit

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Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on June 27, 2019, 09:23:57 am
From the article:

"No, [Shuri] was not 'cancelled'," Okorafor explained on her personal Twitter. "I gave Marvel notice months ago that I couldn't continue because I'm writing the pilots for the Amazon TV series Wild Seed and another TV series I can't announce and a novel, etc."



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When Hollywood comes calling...  8)
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Mad Coco G on June 27, 2019, 09:40:36 am
[url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url] ([url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url])


When you don't have a writer on the book because the main writer has walked off AND you don't have a replacement? That book IS CANCELLED. Period.



Unless Marvel decides it is, Iíll take a Shuri solo over the mutant folks want pushed as the premier black woman at Marvel.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Battle on June 27, 2019, 09:50:43 am
Sounds like an opportunity to submit your request to pen this title, fellas...(https://i.imgur.com/kXagpco.gif)~
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: CvilleWakandan on June 27, 2019, 10:02:05 am
With proper marketin and plot, I think Shuri would make a good middle school level novel series. Except I'd add one page illustrations every few chapters to help with visuals
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: Ezyo on June 27, 2019, 09:38:45 pm
An opportunity to get Shuri back to her pre Coates version is in order. She needs a solid role and needs to be treated and act as a 20 something year old groomed as a royal, and not as some teenage woe is me
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 28, 2019, 07:03:50 am
[url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url] ([url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url])


When you don't have a writer on the book because the main writer has walked off AND you don't have a replacement? That book IS CANCELLED. Period.



Unless Marvel decides it is, Iíll take a Shuri solo over the mutant folks want pushed as the premier black woman at Marvel.


To some people, that would start a war, but I haven't seen him post around here in a long time.
Title: Re: Shuri gets her own series
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 28, 2019, 02:31:19 pm
[url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url] ([url]http://www.newsarama.com/45712-shuri-writer-explans-why-she-left-the-book-says-not-cancelled.html[/url])


When you don't have a writer on the book because the main writer has walked off AND you don't have a replacement? That book IS CANCELLED. Period.



Unless Marvel decides it is, Iíll take a Shuri solo over the mutant folks want pushed as the premier black woman at Marvel.


To some people, that would start a war, but I haven't seen him post around here in a long time.
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I never saw that as a either/or proposition. I think that whole notion is a false dichotomy. Just as we don't have to choose between say a Captain Marvel or Black Widow solo? We shouldn't have to choose between a Shuri or Storm solo. Both are outstanding and both should have top writers with top artists selling thousands of copies per month on the shelves right now.

But that's NOT happening. And we know why, don't we? Has zero to do with any of the characters listed above. It's not just Marvel, the writers and artists...it's primarily the White male dominated comic book audience. Despite the smashing success that each of these characters have had in film? The predominant demographic for comic books remains White males. Boys to men...not Boys II Men.

 For the record, I could see Hellcat and Mockingbird doing very well as street level characters, and Fallon Grey...daughter of BLADE...absolutely wrecking shop, too. I think that I could write either of those 3 ladies pretty well, but I think that women who are proven comic book writers should write these 3 first. And preferably a Black woman for Fallon. If not? I think that Ann Nocenti could crush a maxiseries featuring any of the above 3 women.