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Title: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 09, 2006, 07:11:02 am
Hello Everyone!
  Since the creation of "The Black Avengers" is a constantly debated topic, I've decided to start the ball rolling on OUR official "Black Avengers" team.
  I'm at work right now (and shouldnt be online) so I'm gonna get to the gist of things.
  On a daily basis, the participating members of the HEF will submit and vote on every aspect concerning the creation of "The Black Avengers" from team name and number of members to their base of operations and the villains that they'll face, as well as a great origin story.
  As soon as this is done, we will create our very own "FanFic" storylines...allowing each participating member to write a chapter that ties in cohesively with the previous chapter.
  Get it?
  Got it?
  Good.

Let's begin.
Just to get the ball rolling, the story goes like this:

Taking place towards the end of the Civil War storyline, Cap has decided to go off-grid with Fury in order to flush out the powers-that-be that are being the explosion at Stamford and the passage of the Superhero Registration Act.  Before he goes, Cap tells Falcon to create a new team.

Falcon does so...in his own image.
;)
The first person that he asks is Luke Cage.
Cage gives Falcon some dap and says, "You ain't even gotta ask, bruh."
*********************************

Day 1:  Post your vote for Team Name, # of Members and The Members You want on the team
BONUS Question:  Do you want this "Black Avengers" team to reflect the original Avengers lineup?

ie: do you want a Cap, Iron Man, QuikSilver, Yellowjacket, Hawkeye type character lineup?

And yes... this team's lineup will be mainly AFrican American.

If there aren't any questions, let the games begin.

I hope everyone will participate.

Based on the majority of votes, the # of team members and specific members will be based on votes.  In case of ties, then we'll come up with tie breakers when needed.

 ;D

I'm excited.  I've been thinkin' about this since yesterday but I only had a few minutes to type of the explanation and the rules.  I hope y'all can understand what I'm babblin' about.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 09, 2006, 07:37:54 am
  I hope y'all can understand what I'm babblin' about.

 ???







I'm kidding!! I'm Kidding!!!!   :D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on August 09, 2006, 09:38:06 am
my votes:
Panther,
Bishop,
Capt. Marvel (Monica reclaims the name, to blazes with Genis, Carol Danvers, Noh-Varr, and whoever else),
Rocket Racer (update him with a skate-culture sensibility),
Prowler
Power Man
Storm.

revised:

Team Name:  POWER FORCE
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 09, 2006, 11:33:58 am
Hype, so that means that you only want 5 people on your team, right?
please give us the TEAM NAME that you've come up with.

Sin... get on the ball son.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 09, 2006, 04:49:42 pm
Hype, so that means that you only want 5 people on your team, right?
please give us the TEAM NAME that you've come up with.

Sin... get on the ball son.

Guy encounters robber in dark alley.
Robber brandishing gun tells the man, "Your money or your life!"
The guy, obviously impaled on the horns of a dilemna replies, "I'm thinking it over!"

I keep trying to get on the ball, but it's hard to keep from falling off. You remember how the "Mighty Black Avengers" thread went  ;)  Nobody could agree on anything.

Team Name: That's a toughie. No one seems to want the word "Black" appearing as part of it. Except you my friend. Your choice for the team being called "BLACK" says it all  :)  If anything, at the moment anyway, I'm inclined to go with something someone suggested earlier, "Obsidian Force" or something like that.

# of Members: I believe there should be as few members as possible so that the team and their stories are streamlined and don't become bogged down under their own weight. I say six core members, with two very prominent and powerful members providing financial, moral and at times, physical support.


Do I want "Obsidian Force" to reflect "Original Avengers" line up: Well...not necessarily. Like the Original Avengers, the "Obsidian Force" should consist of Marvel's better known African-American characters, but Original Avengers team of Hulk, Iron Man, Wasp, Ant-Man, and Thor doesn't strike me as being particularly functional. Iron Man provides the technical/financial contribution. Ant-Man helps out with the scientific/tech side. Wasp could help out with the financial contribution, but I don't remember her ever doing so. Thor and Hulk provide sheer, brute power. The team has members capable of striking their enemies from long range as well, but none of the members seemed to be a true leader. That's where Captain America came in.

Therefore, I believe the "Obsidan Force" should be able to have a member possessed of near-infinite personal wealth to finance the team's operations. The team should have a member who is solid when it comes to field generalship. They need at least one member who's strength is nearly off the charts. But unlike the Original Avengers, the team needs to consist of members who will understand their roles. The Original Avengers seemed more a mixture of "clay and iron" to me. Thor and Hulk and the potential "who's the strongest?" rivalry. There should also be more than one female on the team. And so, to my choices for members then...

Members:

Falcon
Goliath/Bill Foster, with wife Claire in the loop.
Brother Voodoo
Photon
Sunspot
White Tiger/Angela Del Toro
**** **** **** **** ****
Black Panther and Storm will be the two prominent members who will provide the deep pockets and other stuff I mentioned earlier. I also believe that Bill Foster should become more well-to-do as well so that he would also be able to kick in financially.

And Patriot/Eli Bradley should get in the mix somehow, somewhere.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Gooch on August 10, 2006, 11:47:13 am
I would simply call them

ONYX

My line up:


Cage  (power house)

Iron fist

Misty Knight

Nefrertitit Jones for shield contact if they were official 

Brother Voodoo  ( magic)
Falcon ( possiibly the leader)
Photon other possible leader
Black goliath (genius)




Reserve

BP
Storm
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Soulja on August 10, 2006, 12:14:18 pm
Capt Marvel/Monica Rambeau
Night Thrasher/new guy
Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Black Panther
Storm

call them the Down South Avengers
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: colin solan on August 10, 2006, 05:39:19 pm
I'd like to see Silhouette for stealth/recon
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 10, 2006, 07:40:45 pm
Here are my answers:

1. Team Name:  BLACK  (short for Black Ops, Black Avengers, Black Listed, etc...)
2. 10 team members
3. Team members:

A. Falcon  --Team Leader. The return of snap wilson.
B. Josiah X   (Cap. America) --Comes out of hiding because of the Civil War events
C. Goliath     (Yellow Jacket)  --Every team needs a BIG MAN
D. Brother VooDoo   (Scarlet Witch)  --Witches...err...Warlocks need love, too! Plus his character needs growth
E. Cecilia Reyes -- I love this character and I haven't seen her since REVOLUTION.  I like her shield abilities. Team does, too!
F. Triathalon  (Quiksilver)  -- He's...uhm... well... he knew who Isiah Bradley was. And he's fast.  3 times fast!
G. Silverclaw  -- Animal shape-shifters rock... and we need another female on the team.
H. War Machine  (Iron Man)  --I need an Iron man type.  In my vision, T'challa invests in Rhodey's company, but Rhodey doesn't care much for handouts... but his company is back in operation and War Machine is back on the block.I. Luke Cage  (Hulk)  -- He's here to stick it to the man so his daughter won't ever have to worry about cape killers spyin' on her.

BONUS: Yes, I want my team to have a semblance of the origin Avengers.  See Parenthesis.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 10, 2006, 07:42:25 pm
Unless there are others who would like to participate, it is time for us to vote on our official team name, the actual number of members and which members will make the team.

While we are deciding that, our next mission is to figure out WHERE our teams base of operations will be.

PS: if you'd like to defend your member choices, please feel free to do so.
***************************

As of 11pm on Thursday, August 10th, here are the members who have made the team:

Photon
Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Goliath
Cage

(BP & Storm both received 2 votes, but I think most of you would like them to be reservist)

TEAM NAMES
BLACK
ONXY
Power Force
Down South Avengers

Vote for the team name that you don't like.

My vote is for Down South Avengers.

# of Members
7, 10, 7, 10 (including reservists) and 6.

Obviously the vote comes down to 7 and 10.

Let's Vote.

Me, I like what Sin said about a small group of people.  7 was my original thought but I chose 10 because there are some characters that I really want to use...like the pacifist Cecilia Reyes. 

10 IS a lot, so i guess I'll settle with 7 team members.

Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on August 11, 2006, 07:32:15 am
my vote:
name I "least" care for: Down South Avengers.. (not a diss, just.. doesn't have right ring to it..)
team member number- I vote for seven.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 11, 2006, 07:38:18 am
Here are my answers:

1. Team Name:  BLACK  (short for Black Ops, Black Avengers, Black Listed, etc...)
2. 10 team members
3. Team members:

A. Falcon  --Team Leader. The return of snap wilson.

"The return of snap wilson."

You can't mean this MM. "Snap Wilson"?

That's a disaster waiting to happen isn't it?   :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 11, 2006, 07:56:36 am
Anyway, I'm ready to cast my votes. My votes are subject to change at any moment because I'm just fickle that way  :)

Team Name: BLACK.  I like the "Blacklisted" angle.

# of Members: 7 with 2 reserves.

Team Members:

1) Falcon
2) Photon
3) Brother Voodoo
4) Silverclaw
5) White Tiger/Angela Del Toro
6) Goliath/Bill Foster with his wife Claire Temple involved somehow.
7) Sunspot (as the muscle of the team)

Black Panther and Storm (reserve members)

And I keep forgetting. Patriot should be involved with the group in some capacity.
 



Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 11, 2006, 11:14:41 am
Another vote for BLACK?
hmm...

1. Do we all agree on BLACK as the team name?  If not, what is your choice?
2. Sin, you're fickle...you came up with ANother team?
3. We still need a base of operations.

4. ATTENTION AUDIENCE.  YOU HAVE UNTIL SATURDAY AFTERNOON TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ENDEAVOR.  IF YOU MISS THE DEADLINE, THEN YOU CAN ONLY COMMENT ON THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE CREATED AND THE STORYLINES THAT WE WRITE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 11, 2006, 03:21:43 pm
Did someone just suggest THE BLACKLIST?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on August 11, 2006, 03:42:20 pm
base of operations.. Wakandan Embassy, NYC? (helps to have immunity)...
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 11, 2006, 04:17:54 pm
Another vote for BLACK?
hmm...

1. Do we all agree on BLACK as the team name?  If not, what is your choice?
2. Sin, you're fickle...you came up with ANother team?
3. We still need a base of operations.

4. ATTENTION AUDIENCE.  YOU HAVE UNTIL SATURDAY AFTERNOON TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ENDEAVOR.  IF YOU MISS THE DEADLINE, THEN YOU CAN ONLY COMMENT ON THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE CREATED AND THE STORYLINES THAT WE WRITE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

1. I went with "Obsidian Force" initially because it appeared that many of our members commenting seemed to be uncomfortable with having the word "Black" in the name of a team comprised primarily of black characters. However, MM stuck with his choice for team name "BLACK" and gave the following options: "Black Ops", "Black Avengers", "Black Listed". I'm not following Marvel's Civil War, but from what I've read of your comments, it appears that most of Marvel's black and minority characters stand with Captain America in opposing registration. This puts them in opposition to "the law". In this case, I believe MM's "Black Listed" option could be a perfect fit as the name representing a team of heroes in opposition to superhero registration, but still dedicated to serving and protecting mankind.

2.  :D I believe the only change I made to my original roster was the addition of the fine character you suggested. Silverclaw looks exciting. Her name is interesting. Her ability to shape-shift (much like Vixen of DC Comics), is an additional dimension to the team. I really like Sunspot as the muscle on the team. The fact that he gains his power from solar energy puts him in the same category as Sentry or Superman, but also gives him a weakness that can be exploited. For if he is deprived of sunlight/solar energy for an extended period of time, he grows weaker. Also, I like the idea of the young Patriot having a close association with the team.

3. Base of Operations. I think their base should be in a secreted and defensible location. Like, perhaps beneath a very ordinary-looking or even desolate landscape or behind the face of the side of a sheer cliff. Maybe situated behind a "Rock of Gibraltar"-like outcropping surrounded by a forbidding landscape bounded by a violent sea. The base within should be able to provide the team living quarters, hospitalization facilities, sophisticated training area, a hangar for their super-sonic transports, etc...
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 11, 2006, 07:18:51 pm
Here's what i'm thinkin'...
we have a good squad so far.
it looks as if we're gonna do the 7 member team with 2 reservists.

Now that T'challa is married, he has other concerns than being tied to a rouge group of heroes...and it is possible (at least in my vision) that Wakanda will be on the outs with the US while civil war goes on.  Like Ororo surmissed, they aren't allowed back in the US.

This won't stop t'challa from poppin' up in the U.S. from time 2 time, but he respects the law.

I have a problem with Monica/Photon.  She's currently on Nextwave...and she's a leader.  How do we get her off of Nextwave?  Do we even want to do that?
Patriot is a Young Avenger.  Do we want to take him away from YA?  I don't think we should.

Also, I think we should have Cecilia Reyes on the team.  Silverclaw is cool ... and she WAS an Avenger.  But come on, we are gonna need a Doctor.

And i'm still stickin' with War Machine.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 12, 2006, 05:36:53 am
1) Patriot from Young Avengers to BLACK

2) Photon from Nextwave to BLACK

3) Sunspot from Hellfire Club to BLACK

I like that  :)

If the team needs a doctor, create a new character with extraordinary healing skills. And we should promote Claire Foster from "nurse" to eminently qualified, highly-renown physician. If he hasn't died or anything like that, we might even recruit Dr. Noah Bernstein to work alongside those two. He's white, but he'd be aight  :)

Don't strangle me MM, but I was re-thinking my roster choices and would be willing to bump White Tiger/Angela Del Toro to reserve status if there would be the remotest of possibilities that we could somehow get Mantis (or create a Mantis II, who would also be a female, Vietnamese kung-fu expert extraordinaire), on the team.

That would make my roster:

1) Falcon
2) Goliath
3) Brother Voodoo
4) Silverclaw
5) Photon
6) Mantis
7) Sunspot

3 Reserve members:

1) Black Panther
2) Storm
3) White Tiger/Angela Del Toro

Auxilliary member:

Patriot

Last change. Last change! I promise  :D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 12, 2006, 06:22:10 am
Hype, Gooch, Soulja...where y'all at? We need your input cuz sin keeps changin' thangs.

*looks at sin*
Bruh... i enjoy your enthusiasm, but you're changin' EVERYTHING!
you went from 7 members and 2 reserves to 7 and 3.  Should've voted for 10 team members.

So... i'm making an executive decision.

7 members.
2 reservists (The royal couple...only because they're honeymooning and banned from the U.S.)

And here are the official members:

Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Goliath
Cage

Sin is pushing for THESE members:
Patriot
Photon
Sunspot
White Tiger
Silverclaw

MM is pushing for THESE members
Cecilia Reyes
War Machine

Team, we need to finalize our final 3 members.  Why isn't Photon a finalist?  Well, i had to make sure that we were gonna take her from Nextwave.  I think Reggie would be mad at us becuz he loves Nextwave, but i think he secretly wants to use Photon.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 12, 2006, 06:47:58 am
Hype, Gooch, Soulja...where y'all at? We need your input cuz sin keeps changin' thangs.


 :D What can I say? I'm a perfectionist...a fickle perfectionist  :D


Sin is pushing for THESE members:
Patriot
Photon
Sunspot
White Tiger
Silverclaw


And I'm gonna push 'em to the limit.



Team, we need to finalize our final 3 members. Why isn't Photon a finalist? Well, i had to make sure that we were gonna take her from Nextwave. I think Reggie would be mad at us becuz he loves Nextwave, but i think he secretly wants to use Photon.

Then, we should expose that secret and make Photon the co-leader of BLACK and pilot of their supersonic transports  :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 12, 2006, 07:52:01 am
fine.
i can live with Photon.
I hope Reggie and Warren don't come after us.
ANd lord knows I hope Nextwave and the Beyond Corp doesn't come after BLACK.

but we still 2 members.

Come on... We gotta have a "black iron man".  We need War Machine.  Everything can't come from Wakanda.  Plus, Rhodes needs a second chance after the failure of The Crew.

Give me Iron man... and ... *sigh*... you can have Sunspot.  Is he really all that?  I just remember him on Xmen: Evolution.

Gooch...Soulja... help a brotha out.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on August 12, 2006, 10:11:27 am
i vote for war machine..
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Francisco on August 12, 2006, 10:49:10 am
Guys you can have whoever you want on the team as long as Josiah X is part of it too. ;D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 12, 2006, 02:03:36 pm
francisco, are u down with us?
if so, then answer all 3 questions.
if not, then we can't accept ur josiah x...even though it would be cool to have him.

like the elections, every vote counts.

*looks at sin*
hehehehehe... we got a vote for war machine.

mwhahahahha
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 12, 2006, 07:08:59 pm

Give me Iron man... and ... *sigh*... you can have Sunspot.  Is he really all that?  I just remember him on Xmen: Evolution.



I don't ever remember Sunspot appearing on X-Men:Evolution. I do remember him from his earliest appearance in the NEW MUTANTS comic book. Of those earliest members Sunspot was the most impressive and the most formidable. Again, the original NEW MUTANTS are to be cited for the progressive approach they took with respect to character development. This line up would do my friend yoda proud. Sam Guthrie: Cannonball - white male from Kentucky. Danielle Moonstar: Psyche(Mirage) - Native-American. Xi'an Coy Manh:Karma - Vietnamese female. Rahne Sinclair:Wolfsbane - Scottish female. Roberto DeCosta: Sunspot - Brazilian. The team wasn't only multi-cultural/multi-national/multi-ethnic, it also featured more female members than male members and Danielle Moonstar seemed to be their most responsible member and natural leader. When Amara Aquila:Magma - native of the Amazon forest and Illyana Rasputin:Magik - Russian(Sister of Colossus. A cool character, but now deceased. Marvel can be so stupid at times), joined the team, the lineup featured 5 female members and 2 male members. Magma and Magik were two heavy-hitters. Still, the power and characterization of Sunspot is what really attracted me to the publication, besides the decent writing of Chris Claremont and the fine draftsmanship of Sal Buscema - brother to my all-time favorite artist, the late, great John Buscema and a fine artist in his own right.

While I am a fan of Luke Cage, in my always humble opinion, I believe there is no comparison between his strength/power level to that of Sunspot. I picked up an issue of New Avengers in which the members Wolverine, Spider-Woman, Spider-Man and Luke Cage attempted to take on the supervillian Wrecker, from the Wrecking Crew. Sadly I must convey to you brothers that the Wrecker owned Luke Cage. He owned him. Cage had two shots at the Wrecker. Both times Wrecker sent him flying long distances and crashing into things with a single blow. Sunspot's greater strength would have given the Wrecker a sterner test.

As to War Machine. MM...do you want War Machine, or do you just want a black version of Iron Man?  :) I don't ever remember seeing Sunspot on a televised animated cartoon, but I do remember - to my eternal regret - the appearances of Rhodes on the animated Marvel program Iron Man featuring Spider-Woman and War Machine as his dearest friends and partners. Naturally, Spider-Woman was Tony Stark/Iron man's female love interest on the show who praised and supported him in every situation. James Rhodes on the other hand was pathetic. He was always whining about how it would make him happy if he never had to don his War Machine armor ever again. He seemed afraid of it. In a word, the animated James Rhodes/War Machine was a punk. I've never liked him since.

Therefore, in my always humble opinion, if this team is to have a member possessed of the upper levels of super power as it's "team muscle", Luke Cage, Goliath, and certainly War Machine won't cut the mustard. Since it's unlikely "Shango, the African Thunder God" will make any appearances, the best bet for a true BLACK "muscle man" lies with Sunspot  :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 12, 2006, 07:09:49 pm
francisco, are u down with us?
if so, then answer all 3 questions.
if not, then we can't accept ur josiah x...even though it would be cool to have him.

like the elections, every vote counts.

*looks at sin*
hehehehehe... we got a vote for war machine.

mwhahahahha

That's only because they like you better than they like me  :D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 13, 2006, 05:21:10 am
hahahahahha...

i see u really want sunspot.
hmm.. if no one objects, then we can have him.
But only if some says... "We can take sunspot."

And dayam, you don't like War Machine?
*sigh*
I gotta re-read the crew just to make sure Rhodey aint still trippin'.

And yes, i think our team needs an Iron-Man-esque character.

But i'm having reservations about T'challa and Ororo since they are in their own book... and on the outs with the U.S.

but that's just me.

And what about Cecilia Reyes, sin?  what DON'T you like about her?  ;)

And i'm almost certain that sunspot guest starred on Xmen: Evolution.
wiki it and see what happens
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 13, 2006, 06:06:00 am

And what about Cecilia Reyes, sin?  what DON'T you like about her?  ;)

And i'm almost certain that sunspot guest starred on Xmen: Evolution.
wiki it and see what happens

You're right MM. Apparently, Sunspot did appear briefly on X-Men:Evolution. It must have been during one of those student group shots.

Cecilia Reyes? I don't like her. I love her....as a premier comic book character you understand.  :)

Did Cecilia survive Scarlet Witch's "no more mutants" hex?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 13, 2006, 09:02:18 am
why in the heck were u votin' AGAINST ms reyes then?  huh?
We have to check the 198 i guess in order to see if she still has her powers.  She just disappeared from the scene during claremont's last run...i think it was claremore during the REVOLUTION revamp  (whatever happened to the NEO)

anyway, i like cecilia too.

And yes, Sunspot even spoke.  I remember him being on a rooftop or somethin'...but i do remember him.
if cecelia is still a mutant, can we have her?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 13, 2006, 09:11:18 am
why in the heck were u votin' AGAINST ms reyes then?  huh?
We have to check the 198 i guess in order to see if she still has her powers.  She just disappeared from the scene during claremont's last run...i think it was claremore during the REVOLUTION revamp  (whatever happened to the NEO)

anyway, i like cecilia too.

And yes, Sunspot even spoke.  I remember him being on a rooftop or somethin'...but i do remember him.
if cecelia is still a mutant, can we have her?

I wasn't aware I was voting against Cecilia. I was only promoting those characters I thought would best fit the team  :D

By all means. Cecilia must be a member. She could be the physician in the field while Claire (Temple) Foster can be her base contact. Another plus to having Cecilia Reyes, Sunspot and White Tiger on the team is that it could enhance the team's appeal to the growing Latino fandom out there.

You keep confusing me about who I'm voting for and who I'm not voting for. You should know better than that. You know I'm half crazy as it is  :D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 15, 2006, 05:24:10 pm
okay...this has gone on 2 days too long.
let's finalize the team's lineup:

Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Goliath
Cage
Photon
Cecilia Reyes
Sunspot

Reserves
Black Panther
Storm

*******************************

Last chance to make a change.
I need everyone to comment.

*looks at participants*
I don't know if we can use BP & Storm.  Let's look at this as if we're really at Marvel.  Unless Mr. Hudlin says we can use BP & Storm, then we have to move on and get someone else.

Also, since Warren Ellis doesn't post here, Mr. Hudlin can let us know if we can steal Photon from NextWave.

;)

Cool?
cool.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 18, 2006, 08:16:48 pm
What it do, y'all?

Now we need to figure out what where our base of operations will be 'cuz the Wakandan Embassy just won't cut it.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 19, 2006, 01:17:35 am
What it do, y'all?

Now we need to figure out what where our base of operations will be 'cuz the Wakandan Embassy just won't cut it.

As usual, my idea for the base of operations is the best idea. I was right about War Machine. I'm right about the base of operations. Trust me  ::)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on August 20, 2006, 10:58:36 am
sounds okay, let's go... (secretly waiting for my opportunity to do Black Avengers: Disassembled)...
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 21, 2006, 05:49:10 am
Wait a minute!

Wait just one minute!

MM, you're gonna love this. LOVE it I tell you.

Of course it will involve my changing everything from the ground floor up to the rooftop, but it will be worth it  :)

 :)

 :)

 :)

Psyche!!!!   ;)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 21, 2006, 09:11:18 am
*laffs at Hype's Black Avengers: Dissassembled*

*looks at sin*
whatever dude.
no more lineup changes.

on changes to the base of operations.

and why would we have secretive BLACK (ops) agents working from the dayam Wakandan Embassy?

do you want the world to know that we are teamed up with the Wakandan resources (ie: T'challa and Storm)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 22, 2006, 06:27:10 am

and why would we have secretive BLACK (ops) agents working from the dayam Wakandan Embassy?

do you want the world to know that we are teamed up with the Wakandan resources (ie: T'challa and Storm)

Haven't a clue MM. You'll have to get with Hypestyle on that one. I believe he suggested the Wakandan Embassy because it might provide the "secretive BLACK (ops) agents" a measure of international, diplomatic immunity.

It was my brilliant, brilliant (and brilliant three times), idea that the "secretive BLACK (ops) agents" be based in an equally highly secretive location...like underground in a non-descript desert area or behind the face of a sheer cliff...that sort of thing.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 22, 2006, 03:54:24 pm
you know what i meant... and a secretive hideout is a good idea... but it can't be one of Fury's old spots becuz they have all been raided.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 22, 2006, 07:49:43 pm
... and a secretive hideout is a good idea... but it can't be one of Fury's old spots becuz they have all been raided.

Of course "a secretive hideout is a good idea". It's the best idea because I thought of it  :D

No. Won't be any of Fury's old spots. No "fixer-uppers" for the BLACK team. It's got to be all brand-new, state-of-the-art  :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 23, 2006, 03:53:37 am
okay...this has gone on 2 days too long.
let's finalize the team's lineup:

Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Goliath
Cage
Photon
Cecilia Reyes
Sunspot

Reserves
Black Panther
Storm

*******************************

Last chance to make a change.
I need everyone to comment.

*looks at participants*
I don't know if we can use BP & Storm.  Let's look at this as if we're really at Marvel.  Unless Mr. Hudlin says we can use BP & Storm, then we have to move on and get someone else.

Also, since Warren Ellis doesn't post here, Mr. Hudlin can let us know if we can steal Photon from NextWave.

;)

Cool?
cool.

Hmm, looking at this line-up; I can't help but think-weak.  Yeah, Pulsar is powerful.  Brother Vodoo gives us a mystic trip, but it needs Storm's power and BP's brain to be a real player.  On top of that, you need a physical power-house, someone stronger than either Cage or Goliath.  You need a Hulk/Thor level character.  We probably would have to create it, though.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on August 25, 2006, 12:37:52 pm
secret hide-out?  okay--

They're in New York, right?

Put them in an "abandoned" oceanfront warehouse, "Hudlin Harbor".. something with lots of storage space, and with enough room to hide a big hydrofoil and a VTOL jet..
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 25, 2006, 04:20:10 pm
we GOTS to have a VTOL jet.
You know T'challa is gonna hook us up..i mean...hook THEM up.
;)

An abandoned warehouse?  Aren't they all used up by convicts and anti-registration heroes?  Oh... that includes our team, right?
hahahha

plus didnt the mayor of NYC get rid of those buildings and XXX stores?  Just wondering.

Finally, i know i've been slipping on the pimpin', the last thing we need to focus on is our Main Enemy (enemies)

List your 2 top Enemies you want to be a thorn in "BLACK's" side

My first one is the "Dire Wraiths."  I'm still workin' on my 2nd one.

PS: If our team is weak, then we'll find that out once we go head up against a powerful enemy, right?  We voted.  Now we suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 27, 2006, 06:42:23 am
PS: If our team is weak, then we'll find that out once we go head up against a powerful enemy, right?  We voted.  Now we suffer the consequences.

"We voted"?

Well oh, mighty one, I think we all suggested and you pulled rank on us. That's how I recall it happening  :D

Anyway, this team is powerful. Powerful!

With the mighty Sunspot as the team muscle, it would take a threat the size of an Asgardian God invasion to make "BLACK" sweat. Now, if we had inducted Wimp...er, I mean War Machine, things might be very different. Very different indeed  ::)

The "Dire Wraiths"? ROM's enemies? Why?   ???
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 27, 2006, 06:46:23 am
With the mighty Sunspot as the team muscle, it would take a threat the size of an Asgardian God invasion to make "BLACK" sweat. Now, if we had inducted Wimp...er, I mean War Machine, things might be very different. Very different indeed  ::)

The "Dire Wraiths"? ROM's enemies? Why?   ???


When did Sunspot get a power boost.  Last I saw the dude, he was a 98 pound weakling who for all his strength (which wasn't that great anyway) had zero invulnerability.

Dire Wraiths--are all dead.  The greatest enemy of BA is an already-defeated threat?  (A threat that was ultimately defeated by the New Warriors when they killed the mother of all Wraiths.)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on August 27, 2006, 07:27:35 am
With the mighty Sunspot as the team muscle, it would take a threat the size of an Asgardian God invasion to make "BLACK" sweat. Now, if we had inducted Wimp...er, I mean War Machine, things might be very different. Very different indeed  ::)

The "Dire Wraiths"? ROM's enemies? Why?   ???


When did Sunspot get a power boost.  Last I saw the dude, he was a 98 pound weakling who for all his strength (which wasn't that great anyway) had zero invulnerability.

Dire Wraiths--are all dead.  The greatest enemy of BA is an already-defeated threat?  (A threat that was ultimately defeated by the New Warriors when they killed the mother of all Wraiths.)

That was Sunspot "then". Today's Sunspot is still able to convert solar energy (which is infinite) into great physical strength. Sunspot is able to fire bolts of solar energy at his foes and he has the power of independent flight. In other words, as I said before, Sunspot could squash War Machine flat and flip him like a penny  :D

Ooops  :-X Dire Wraiths all dead eh? Well, maybe BLACK's biggest foe can be the angry and restless ghosts of the Dire Wraiths  :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 31, 2006, 03:36:29 pm
dayam!

i didn't know them muthasuckas were dead!

dayam!

i liked 'em cuz they were shape shifters... and from the marvel index card that i read, no one has ever seen what they look like.

but now they are dead.

NEXT!
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Pantherfan on September 01, 2006, 09:23:22 am
okay...this has gone on 2 days too long.
let's finalize the team's lineup:

Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Goliath
Cage
Photon
Cecilia Reyes
Sunspot

Reserves
Black Panther
Storm

*******************************

Last chance to make a change.
I need everyone to comment.

*looks at participants*
I don't know if we can use BP & Storm.  Let's look at this as if we're really at Marvel.  Unless Mr. Hudlin says we can use BP & Storm, then we have to move on and get someone else.

Also, since Warren Ellis doesn't post here, Mr. Hudlin can let us know if we can steal Photon from NextWave.

;)

Cool?
cool.

Hmm, looking at this line-up; I can't help but think-weak.  Yeah, Pulsar is powerful.  Brother Vodoo gives us a mystic trip, but it needs Storm's power and BP's brain to be a real player.  On top of that, you need a physical power-house, someone stronger than either Cage or Goliath.  You need a Hulk/Thor level character.  We probably would have to create it, though.

How about Aegis or Rage?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 02, 2006, 07:25:47 am
too late.
we have our group.

we've moved on to Villains.

How about this?

After reading new avengers #23, maybe we can have Hydra as one of our main villains.
during the chaos of Civil War, they can start infiltratin' various black neighborHOODS, brainwashin' some folks to be down with Hydra and start buyin' up property (most of it is property destroyed during superhero/villain battles) and rebuildin' it in a regentrification process...of EVIL!!!

Huh? Huh?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 02, 2006, 07:55:45 am
too late.
we have our group.

we've moved on to Villains.

How about this?

After reading new avengers #23, maybe we can have Hydra as one of our main villains.
during the chaos of Civil War, they can start infiltratin' various black neighborHOODS, brainwashin' some folks to be down with Hydra and start buyin' up property (most of it is property destroyed during superhero/villain battles) and rebuildin' it in a regentrification process...of EVIL!!!

Huh? Huh?

Hydra is an overused, also-run organization that hasn't been impressive in the last 20 years, except during Millar's Wolverine run and then only because it was merged with the Hand. 

You need a new villain and new villain team. 
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 02, 2006, 08:00:37 am
well...i need HELP!
i'm cryin' out for help.

:D

Any ideas?

(plus, we have to use at least one ol' skool villain as a recurrin' villain too...just sayin')
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 02, 2006, 08:18:19 am
well...i need HELP!
i'm cryin' out for help.

:D

Any ideas?

(plus, we have to use at least one ol' skool villain as a recurrin' villain too...just sayin')

Hmmm, many many years ago, the Sons of Serpents were lead by two men--a black man and a white man--who tried to create a race war in the US.  Previous to that, Sons of the Serpent were lead by a Chinese General who was trying to cripple the US by instigating a war against immigrants.  You could play with that background.

Team villain-wise; using ol' skool, then it has to be a new version of the Masters of Evil.  Pull in several of the old players--Absorbing Man and Titania, Living Laser, and create/find a few more specifically opposed to the BA.

Big player?  Ulton?

Of course, one storyline that would have to be told:  Black Avengers met and fight against an alternate universe version of the Black JLA; of the same ilk as the Squadron Supreme is to the JLA.

Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Rollo_Tomasi on September 02, 2006, 08:28:40 am
I think you could revitalize HYDRA. Hell, Marvel has been trying for about a year or two now. Many of them truly believe that they are a better force for good and change in the world than SHIELD. I'd love to see HYDRA take advantage of the current climate of distrust and government wrongdoing to reach out to the underdogs of the world. Imagine, as Mastermynd suggested, HYDRA moving in on ghettos, and cleaning them up. Setting up literacy programs, building parks, helping families make rent...all without any pretense as to what religion you follow, skin color, or anything like that. Basically, HYDRA becomes an evil doppleganger of the NOI.

And then, after a few years, people from the ghetto slowly start to join HYDRA, to "give something back" to the organization and/or the community. And so the indoctrination begins. The HYDRA that scares me the most isn't the dues in green jumpsuits with laser guns. It's the plain clothes people who stab you in the back, and the last thing you hear before it all goes black is "Hail Hydra..."
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Pantherfan on September 02, 2006, 04:36:52 pm
I think you could revitalize HYDRA. Hell, Marvel has been trying for about a year or two now. Many of them truly believe that they are a better force for good and change in the world than SHIELD. I'd love to see HYDRA take advantage of the current climate of distrust and government wrongdoing to reach out to the underdogs of the world. Imagine, as Mastermynd suggested, HYDRA moving in on ghettos, and cleaning them up. Setting up literacy programs, building parks, helping families make rent...all without any pretense as to what religion you follow, skin color, or anything like that. Basically, HYDRA becomes an evil doppleganger of the NOI.

And then, after a few years, people from the ghetto slowly start to join HYDRA, to "give something back" to the organization and/or the community. And so the indoctrination begins. The HYDRA that scares me the most isn't the dues in green jumpsuits with laser guns. It's the plain clothes people who stab you in the back, and the last thing you hear before it all goes black is "Hail Hydra..."


That's never been done before. I like that approach to Hydra. I was going to suggest using some of other terrorist organization like the Secret Empire, Zodiac Cartel or A.I.M., but I'm definitely feeling your reworking of Hydra.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 03, 2006, 05:38:06 am
Isn't Sunfire a spy in the Hellfire Club?  That's another villain route.

I think to truly answer this question, you first need to decide what kind of team is BA.  The Avengers fight the big threats.  The New Warriors fought small threats.  The Defenders mirrored the Avengers, but were a less unified team.  The Fantastic Four are explorers and scientists, rarely deal with financial or personal crimes.  The X-men focus on human/mutant relations; mostly they focus on keeping mutants from making life worse for everyone. 

So, what kind of team is BA?  The big guns against big threats or do they focus on finacial/personal crime or whatnot?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 03, 2006, 07:57:00 am
1. i love that Hydra storyline. Dayam.  You really freaked what I was thinking.  See?  We can colloborate and make good ideas come to life.  Let's run with it, Okay?

2. Kip...that's a great question.  I never really thought about it.  And thanks for that breakdown on the other teams.
Hmm... I don't know.

I think at first BLACK was Avengers, Jr.  They handle the big threats that Avengers were too busy to handle.
let me think on it.
what do you all think?

again, great question Kip.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 03, 2006, 01:14:03 pm
I think you could revitalize HYDRA. Hell, Marvel has been trying for about a year or two now. Many of them truly believe that they are a better force for good and change in the world than SHIELD. I'd love to see HYDRA take advantage of the current climate of distrust and government wrongdoing to reach out to the underdogs of the world. Imagine, as Mastermynd suggested, HYDRA moving in on ghettos, and cleaning them up. Setting up literacy programs, building parks, helping families make rent...all without any pretense as to what religion you follow, skin color, or anything like that. Basically, HYDRA becomes an evil doppleganger of the NOI.

And then, after a few years, people from the ghetto slowly start to join HYDRA, to "give something back" to the organization and/or the community. And so the indoctrination begins. The HYDRA that scares me the most isn't the dues in green jumpsuits with laser guns. It's the plain clothes people who stab you in the back, and the last thing you hear before it all goes black is "Hail Hydra..."


Hmm, you know, I think the Secret Empire was doing a similar (but more overt) thing in rural America.  (We last saw this in the pages of Thunderbolts, original series.)  That could dovetail with your idea.

Something that hit me after originally reading this.  You know who would probably help the BA against this version of Hydra? Baron Von Strucker.  Remember, Hydra was created from the death keel for Nazi Germany by a leading Nazi.  I don't think Hydra was ever viewed as a Neo-nazi group, but it's roots are there.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Pantherfan on September 03, 2006, 04:57:15 pm
I'm suirprised no one mentioned Sons of The Serpent, a well-known racist militant organization or the Hate Monger as potential baddies.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Open palm on September 03, 2006, 08:36:08 pm
Never heard of that group before. What are they like?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 04, 2006, 05:33:29 am
Never heard of that group before. What are they like?

Well, as I stated (when I mentioned them several days ago in a previous post), they were a group originally run by a Chinese General attempting to create unrest in America by making us "anti-immigrant".  A second version was run by a black man and a white man who attempted to create a race war.  I think they're have been other versions.  Now that I think about it, in MC2, one version was run by the Egyptian god of Death, Set.  Hmm, he might have also run them in the mainstream during the time leading up to Thunderstrike, but I can't remember for sure.

They, naturally, have a snake motiff.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on October 25, 2006, 02:27:44 pm
...because i missed this thread... and becuz Marvel Ultimate Alliance was just released.
;)

one way or the other... i'm gonna have me a Black Avengers team.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on October 26, 2006, 06:05:37 am
...because i missed this thread... and becuz Marvel Ultimate Alliance was just released.
;)

one way or the other... i'm gonna have me a Black Avengers team.

I've already given you the perfect Black Avengers team. Haven't I?

How can this team miss?

Falcon
Brother Voodoo
Goliath
Cage
Photon
Cecilia Reyes
Sunspot

Reserves
Black Panther
Storm

I know. I know. I was not solely responsible for assembling this fine collection of dynamic characters. But I did suggest the mighty Sunspot. With him in the lineup, no foe could dare hope to stand against the....what did we decide the name of this group was again? I've forgotten  :D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on October 26, 2006, 06:29:18 am
HAHAHHA...there you go again with Sunspot.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on October 28, 2006, 11:21:09 pm
Hey. How could we have overlooked this guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_(comics)

I've read that Battlestar is endowed with extreme superpower, is capable of lifting weight in the tons, is extremely agile and is a supreme hand-to-hand combatant. All we would have had to have done is separate him from his "Captain America template", for want of a better word.

Since I've recently learned that the brave Goliath was killed in the Civil War - Marvel's slaughter of black male superheroes continues - and seeing as Goliath was to be a member of the team, I move that Battlestar be installed as his replacement.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 29, 2006, 05:38:45 am
Hey. How could we have overlooked this guy?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_(comics)[/url]

I've read that Battlestar is endowed with extreme superpower, is capable of lifting weight in the tons, is extremely agile and is a supreme hand-to-hand combatant. All we would have had to have done is separate him from his "Captain America template", for want of a better word.

Since I've recently learned that the brave Goliath was killed in the Civil War - Marvel's slaughter of black male superheroes continues - and seeing as Goliath was to be a member of the team, I move that Battlestar be installed as his replacement.


Unless he's gone through a power-boost, Battlestar is no more powerful than USagent.  The process that created USagent, created Battlestar.  They used to be partners.  They are Spider-man strong, give or take and their agility falls far below him.  I wouldn't call his powers extreme.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on October 29, 2006, 06:29:17 am
Hey. How could we have overlooked this guy?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_(comics)[/url]

I've read that Battlestar is endowed with extreme superpower, is capable of lifting weight in the tons, is extremely agile and is a supreme hand-to-hand combatant. All we would have had to have done is separate him from his "Captain America template", for want of a better word.

Since I've recently learned that the brave Goliath was killed in the Civil War - Marvel's slaughter of black male superheroes continues - and seeing as Goliath was to be a member of the team, I move that Battlestar be installed as his replacement.


Unless he's gone through a power-boost, Battlestar is no more powerful than USagent.  The process that created USagent, created Battlestar.  They used to be partners.  They are Spider-man strong, give or take and their agility falls far below him.  I wouldn't call his powers extreme.


Again, according to my newly-purchased "The Marvel Encyclopedia; The Definitive Guide To The Characters Of The Marvel Universe", Battlestar has super-strength and stamina - he is able to lift "10 tons" - he is an excellent hand-to-hand combatant, an excellent gymnast and acrobat.

Seeing as Marvel Comics seems to keep its black, male characters "normally-powered", above-average athletes in spandex, Battlestar is a welcome change. So when I discover a black male Marvel superhero capable of doing more than swinging from rootop-to-rooftop and making "perfect 10 dismounts", but is no more powerful physically than a superbly-conditioned normal human being, I'm going to stand up and take notice.

Marvel has notoriously "under-powered" their black supercharacters, particularly their black male super characters. That could be one reason why Captain America's anti-registration faction is getting their butts handed to them - if indeed that is still the case. I'm not a big fan of the Civil War and have only come across certain bits of information accidentally.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on November 02, 2006, 12:54:59 pm
i remember when i asked to have him on the team and it was shot down.
now y'all come crawlin' back 2 me.
 ;D

anyway, i WOULD use Battlestar but if you've been reading Front Line, he's in custody...and he's hurt.
A cape killer exploding a bomb in an enclosed area and he has sharpnel in his back.
he can't even lie on his back while in prison.

and y'all know about USAgent, right?
you've read CHOOSING SIDES, right? if not, i wont spoil it here.
i'll go to a different thread for that.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 13, 2006, 07:26:03 am
BRINGIN' IT BACK... cuz i can
:)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Yaw on December 13, 2006, 07:32:39 am
BRINGIN' IT BACK... cuz i can
:)

lol
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on December 13, 2006, 09:35:41 am
Back in Black. Still lookin' good, too.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 13, 2006, 09:43:01 am
Seeing as how Panther and Storm MAY be going over to the Fantastic Four and Battlestar is severely wounded, i need to revamp my team.
I need some time to think...

but yeah... Falcon and Ceclia Reyes are definitely making the squad.  Cage?  With his upcoming Solo, i dont know if he's gonna do the team thing unless it is with Danny.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Vic Vega on December 13, 2006, 09:54:57 am
I WANNA PLAY TOO! I WANNA PLAY TOO! ;D

On that note of maturity, a 7-man team, no BP or Storm cause that's probably what everybody did :).

PHOTON- One of the most powerful heroes in Marvel. Leadership skills,  energy projection and the ability to travel at lightspeed.  She's a one-person team in herself.

BATTLESTAR-ex army type, trained by the Taskmaster in Captain America's fighting style with the ability to lift 10 tons (class 10).

WAR MACHINE-Armor and artillery in one package. Another ex-army type. Armor provides flight and class 75 (75 tons lifting ability) super strength.

RAGE- The only Black male character in Marvel that has high level physical strength as a power (Luke Cage is the second strongest at class 15). Rage is class 50 but gets stronger the madder he gets, hence the name.  A 13 year old boy in a steroid abusers body ;D Supposed to have superspeed too, but nobody ever remembers that.

BLACK GOLIATH-Yeah, so he's dead. Like that ever stopped any other superhero :D. He provides life-science expertise and another candidate for leader, as he's been a black superhero longer than anybody besides Cage or Falcon( The Panther of course, is not American). Class 10 strength at his maximum size of 25'.

PHASTOS-the only Black Eternal (a race of super-powered immortals). Really, he got so lonely he went to East Germany, cause there are more Blacks there than in Eternalville ;D.  He's the Eternals tech expert. To the Romans, he was Vulcan, to the Greek Hephaestus and the Egyptians probably knew him as Ptah. He's the Black Avenger's Techno-Thor. Class 25 strength, Flight, Heat Vision. Master of technology, he built a Thor-type hammer probably just because he felt like it ;D.

DEBRII-Outside of Storm and Photon, there aren't that many Black Female Superheros in Marvel. Misty Knight is kinda borderline. So here's Debrii, low level telekinetic. The fact that she pretty much acts like the little sister on What's Happening is a bonus.  

Reserves:

TRIATHLON-A guy who wears the Black Nationalist Flag as a costume cant be all bad :). He's has 3X the strengh, speed and stamina of a Peak Human. Peak Human=Captain America.

CALYPSO-I'm running out of options here, as you can see. She's sort of an evil, female, Brother Voodoo. I'm reforming her because I need another female. General mystic type powers. Creates Zombies. Runs around in a Lion Skin bikini.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 13, 2006, 10:33:31 am
So...are we all in agreement that we want to bring GOLIATH back to life?  Does it have somethin' to do with the PYM participles that he is affected with?  And how many BLACK characters have come back from death?

and until i read that Battlestar is out of "prison" and has healed properly, he can't make the team.


REMEMBER, we need to go with Current statistics... sorry to be a downer.

but it's great to see Debrii gettin' more shine.

great list, VIc.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on December 13, 2006, 10:42:00 am
I WANNA PLAY TOO! I WANNA PLAY TOO! ;D

On that note of maturity, a 7-man team, no BP or Storm cause that's probably what everybody did :).

PHOTON- One of the most powerful heroes in Marvel. Leadership skills,  energy projection and the ability to travel at lightspeed.  She's a one-person team in herself.

BATTLESTAR-ex army type, trained by the Taskmaster in Captain America's fighting style with the ability to lift 10 tons (class 10).

WAR MACHINE-Armor and artillery in one package. Another ex-army type. Armor provides flight and class 75 (75 tons lifting ability) super strength.

RAGE- The only Black male character in Marvel that has high level physical strength as a power (Luke Cage is the second strongest at class 15). Rage is class 50 but gets stronger the madder he gets, hence the name.  A 13 year old boy in a steroid abusers body ;D Supposed to have superspeed too, but nobody ever remembers that.

BLACK GOLIATH-Yeah, so he's dead. Like that ever stopped any other superhero :D. He provides life-science expertise and another candidate for leader, as he's been a black superhero longer than anybody besides Cage or Falcon( The Panther of course, is not American). Class 10 strength at his maximum size of 25'.

PHASTOS-the only Black Eternal (a race of super-powered immortals). Really, he got so lonely he went to East Germany, cause there are more Blacks there than in Eternalville ;D.  He's the Eternals tech expert. To the Romans, he was Vulcan, to the Greek Hephaestus and the Egyptians probably knew him as Ptah. He's the Black Avenger's Techno-Thor. Class 25 strength, Flight, Heat Vision. Master of technology, he built a Thor-type hammer probably just because he felt like it ;D.

DEBRII-Outside of Storm and Photon, there aren't that many Black Female Superheros in Marvel. Misty Knight is kinda borderline. So here's Debrii, low level telekinetic. The fact that she pretty much acts like the little sister on What's Happening is a bonus.  

Reserves:

TRIATHLON-A guy who wears the Black Nationalist Flag as a costume cant be all bad :). He's has 3X the strengh, speed and stamina of a Peak Human. Peak Human=Captain America.

CALYPSO-I'm running out of options here, as you can see. She's sort of an evil, female, Brother Voodoo. I'm reforming her because I need another female. General mystic type powers. Creates Zombies. Runs around in a Lion Skin bikini.


:o

No Sunspot?

Oh, that will never do.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 13, 2006, 11:39:17 am
OH lawd...there he go...

Sunspot's biggest fan.

 8)

what were u thinkin' Vic.
hahaaha
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Vic Vega on December 13, 2006, 01:28:43 pm
Posted by: Mastrmynd

and until i read that Battlestar is out of "prison" and has healed properly, he can't make the team.


REMEMBER, we need to go with Current statistics... sorry to be a downer.


Whoops. I forgot 'bout that.

In that case let's make Sinjection happy and swap Sunspot for Battlestar :D.

While he's at it, since Sunspot is filty rich, he can provide the team's headquarters (his mansion in Brazil) and gadgets. Superteams have to get their paper from somewhere.

Hey, can anybody think of a Black Superheroine BESIDES Storm, Monica and Debrii? You see I had to cheat on my list ;D   
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Yaw on December 13, 2006, 02:30:40 pm
Posted by: Mastrmynd

and until i read that Battlestar is out of "prison" and has healed properly, he can't make the team.


REMEMBER, we need to go with Current statistics... sorry to be a downer.


Whoops. I forgot 'bout that.

In that case let's make Sinjection happy and swap Sunspot for Battlestar :D.

While he's at it, since Sunspot is filty rich, he can provide the team's headquarters (his mansion in Brazil) and gadgets. Superteams have to get their paper from somewhere.

Hey, can anybody think of a Black Superheroine BESIDES Storm, Monica and Debrii? You see I had to cheat on my list ;D   


Silhouette, Lightbright, Wildstreak, Joanna Cargill, Bling, M, Angel Salvador(not really a heroine though, just a mutant)

Then there is this one large-breasted Rwandan mutant (not a heroine either) that appeared in X-men Unlimited by the name of Grace.  She was a blind telepath with a 3rd eye.  Here's a pic.

(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8244/xmenunlim0711pd3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on December 14, 2006, 06:52:48 am
I think that it would be useful if we all put our heads together and created an original character who would be as powerful - if not more so - than Thor, or Sentry, to be the ultimate strong person of this team of "extraordinary black gentlemen...and ladies"   ;)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 14, 2006, 06:54:55 am
sounds like a new topic idea... :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on December 14, 2006, 07:13:07 am
Posted by: Mastrmynd

and until i read that Battlestar is out of "prison" and has healed properly, he can't make the team.


REMEMBER, we need to go with Current statistics... sorry to be a downer.


Whoops. I forgot 'bout that.

In that case let's make Sinjection happy and swap Sunspot for Battlestar :D.



Thanks, Vic  :)

I hate to seem greedy, but Sunspot and Battlestar....I happen to like both on the team. Try to find someway to hide this post from MM. He'll say I'm being difficult again.

Then there is this one large-breasted Rwandan mutant (not a heroine either) that appeared in X-men Unlimited by the name of Grace. She was a blind telepath with a 3rd eye. Here's a pic.

([url]http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8244/xmenunlim0711pd3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://imageshack.us[/url])


Yaw!!! We simply must have Grace on the team! What a fascinating character. Great find  :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 14, 2006, 07:34:51 am
we gotta break Battlestar out of jail...plus we gotta rehab him... plus Yaw's team is called Teh Foundation.
THIS...this is the Black Avengers...so u want grace, then who do we lose?

;)
and yes, u r being difficult.

:D
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Yaw on December 14, 2006, 04:32:02 pm
we gotta break Battlestar out of jail...plus we gotta rehab him... plus Yaw's team is called Teh Foundation.
THIS...this is the Black Avengers...so u want grace, then who do we lose?

;)
and yes, u r being difficult.

:D

Black Avengers Assemble!

New team forms to break out Battlestar out of the Negative Zone! Will they succeed? Or will they be sentenced spend their days in the Negative Zone with Battlestar??!!
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Yaw on December 14, 2006, 04:47:00 pm

Yaw!!! We simply must have Grace on the team! What a fascinating character. Great find  :)


Here's another pic showing the third eye.

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2125/xmenunlim0712sd9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on December 14, 2006, 07:00:43 pm

Yaw!!! We simply must have Grace on the team! What a fascinating character. Great find  :)


Here's another pic showing the third eye.

([url]http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2125/xmenunlim0712sd9.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://imageshack.us[/url])




What an exciting character. I like the power and the visual presentation. Is this the only issue Grace has ever appeared in? If so, I have to wonder why she wasn't used more?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Yaw on December 14, 2006, 07:37:54 pm

What an exciting character. I like the power and the visual presentation. Is this the only issue Grace has ever appeared in? If so, I have to wonder why she wasn't used more?

Yeah just one issue in one of the stories.  She was only meant as a plot device so Nightcrawler woudn't feel so bad about himself as compared to her, he has it good.  She was a survivor of the Rwandan Genocide during the late 90s and she went blind due to getting head by a gun.  Her family was not so fortunate and lost their lives.  Apparently she was able to survive due to mental manipulation with her powers.  I'm not surprised she is not more used.  Her powers aren't very unique and noone needs a Black female refugee from one of the worst atrocities in recent history around Xavier's mansion.  They got enough problems as is.

It's all good.  They leaves her available for use in an all-Black team =D.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Vic Vega on December 18, 2006, 08:57:28 am
Posted by: Mastrmynd

and until i read that Battlestar is out of "prison" and has healed properly, he can't make the team.


REMEMBER, we need to go with Current statistics... sorry to be a downer.


Whoops. I forgot 'bout that.

In that case let's make Sinjection happy and swap Sunspot for Battlestar :D.

While he's at it, since Sunspot is filty rich, he can provide the team's headquarters (his mansion in Brazil) and gadgets. Superteams have to get their paper from somewhere.

Hey, can anybody think of a Black Superheroine BESIDES Storm, Monica and Debrii? You see I had to cheat on my list ;D   


Silhouette, Lightbright, Wildstreak, Joanna Cargill, Bling, M, Angel Salvador(not really a heroine though, just a mutant)

Then there is this one large-breasted Rwandan mutant (not a heroine either) that appeared in X-men Unlimited by the name of Grace.  She was a blind telepath with a 3rd eye.  Here's a pic.

([url]http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8244/xmenunlim0711pd3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://imageshack.us[/url])


Thanks. I forgot all about Silhouette and M. Of the others, Joanna Cargill and especially Lightbright have real possibilities. From Wildstreak's last Fantastic Four appearance, I couldn't even tell she was Black.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 20, 2006, 06:14:19 am
This JUST IN!!!

MAXAM has JUST BEEN signed to "The Black Avengers!"
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: sinjection on December 20, 2006, 10:38:24 am
This JUST IN!!!

MAXAM has JUST BEEN signed to "The Black Avengers!"

So, what's the Black Avengers line-up look like at this time, my good fellow?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 20, 2006, 12:13:38 pm
why u askin' these hard questions?
jeez...now i gotta take a look at our lineup.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 27, 2006, 12:17:48 pm
If i'm not mistaken, here is our group:

Falcon (aka "Snap Wilson")
Brother Voodoo
Goliath (R.I.P.)
Cage
Photon
Cecilia Reyes
Sunspot
Maxxam

Base of Operations: Wakandan Embassy


I bring you... BLACK!
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 07, 2007, 09:54:33 am
BLACK is Back!
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 09, 2007, 07:12:47 am
For the record, here is the official lineup for BLACK:
(this team lineup may change due to developments resulting from Civil War.  Also, in the event of share characters, teams will have to go back to the drawing board in order to rectifiy the situation)

the all new BLACK Lineup:
Falcon (team leader)
Josiah X (I prefer him to Battlestar... but he does have connections to Silver Sable)
Photon (but i'm weary of using her since she's in Nextwave)
MaxaM (strong arm of the law)
Phastos (techno dude with the ability to teleport)
Sunspot (he flies and does...somethin'.  he could be strong, too)
Cecilia Reyes (she has the ability to make shields.  With BLACK, she'll learn how to extend it to a wider area which will protect the whole crew if need be... plus we need another woman...AND A DOCTOR!)

BLACK receives funding from The Black Panther.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on February 23, 2009, 01:52:18 pm
By the powers vested in me, I, Mastrmynd, nominate the BLUE MARVEL to become the newest member of BLACK (aka Black Avengers)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Blanks on February 24, 2009, 06:12:30 pm
Team Nightwatch (named after the character who was killed off during the Great Game in the 90's era of comics. He was a Spawn rip-off... kinda.) Funding from Night Thrasher since his New Warriors team is now disbanded.

1) Night Thrasher (Donyell, funds the team with the tech)
2) White Tiger (Kasper, police connections. Monitors police radio traffic.)
3) Falcon (team leader)
4) Cloak and Dagger (Can't have Cloak without Dagger...)
5) Pulsar (Monica, co-captain/leader)

new additions
6) Blue Marvel (older team mentor, and powerhouse)
7) Junta (he hasn't been used since the Crew. And I enjoyed his banter between Kasper and himself.)
8) White Tiger (Angela Del Toro. Gives Kasper hell for sharing the same superhero name as her)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on February 27, 2009, 06:41:34 am
Team Nightwatch (named after the character who was killed off during the Great Game in the 90's era of comics. He was a Spawn rip-off... kinda.) Funding from Night Thrasher since his New Warriors team is now disbanded.

1) Night Thrasher (Donyell, funds the team with the tech)
2) White Tiger (Kasper, police connections. Monitors police radio traffic)
3) Falcon (team leader)
4) Cloak and Dagger (Can't have Cloak without Dagger...)
5) Pulsar (Monica)

Throw Blue Marvel on that team and you kinda got something. 
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on February 27, 2009, 08:39:36 am
neat... so how is Dagger played here... the 'hip-hop white girl' ala Fergie; or the well-meaning-but-clueless type ("split ends suck! Monica, I wish I had your hair... who wants to hit up KFC for lunch?"); ;)

...alternately, Dagger could skip out (family issues, something), and Cloak could go solo for a stretch.. Pulsar's powers could feed his darkforce urges (assuming that's still a problem)..Ty could use some renewed attention.. have him going to school, less morose about his 'vampiric' nature..
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Seven on February 27, 2009, 01:30:03 pm
Team Nightwatch (named after the character who was killed off during the Great Game in the 90's era of comics. He was a Spawn rip-off... kinda.) Funding from Night Thrasher since his New Warriors team is now disbanded.

1) Night Thrasher (Donyell, funds the team with the tech)
2) White Tiger (Kasper, police connections. Monitors police radio traffic)
3) Falcon (team leader)
4) Cloak and Dagger (Can't have Cloak without Dagger...)
5) Pulsar (Monica)

Throw Blue Marvel on that team and you kinda got something. 


Yeah that is a awesome team...but would let Monica (former Avengers leader) lead. Also...they have to have connections to T'challa and Storm.

I would also add American Eagle (native american).
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Blanks on February 27, 2009, 05:10:27 pm
Team Nightwatch (named after the character who was killed off during the Great Game in the 90's era of comics. He was a Spawn rip-off... kinda.) Funding from Night Thrasher since his New Warriors team is now disbanded.

1) Night Thrasher (Donyell, funds the team with the tech)
2) White Tiger (Kasper, police connections. Monitors police radio traffic)
3) Falcon (team leader)
4) Cloak and Dagger (Can't have Cloak without Dagger...)
5) Pulsar (Monica)

Throw Blue Marvel on that team and you kinda got something. 

let it be so!

6) Blue Marvel (the muscle!)

I'd make Dagger into the comic-Fergie, lol! Both her and Cloak need some much needed character development.

Not to knowledgeable about American Eagle (can't say I even heard of the character...) Need to Wiki her.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on February 28, 2009, 05:36:08 am
Team Nightwatch (named after the character who was killed off during the Great Game in the 90's era of comics. He was a Spawn rip-off... kinda.) Funding from Night Thrasher since his New Warriors team is now disbanded.

1) Night Thrasher (Donyell, funds the team with the tech)
2) White Tiger (Kasper, police connections. Monitors police radio traffic)
3) Falcon (team leader)
4) Cloak and Dagger (Can't have Cloak without Dagger...)
5) Pulsar (Monica)

Throw Blue Marvel on that team and you kinda got something. 

let it be so!

6) Blue Marvel (the muscle!)

I'd make Dagger into the comic-Fergie, lol! Both her and Cloak need some much needed character development.

Not to knowledgeable about American Eagle (can't say I even heard of the character...) Need to Wiki her.


Dang...how Reggie Reg just gone jack my Blue Marvel draft ...override it and give it to BLANKS' team. Hahahahha.

And American Eagle is a dude...and I liked the character.  He got some screen time during Ellis' Thunderbolts run when they were goin' after unregistered heroes.
Back to the drawing board for me.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Goat on March 12, 2009, 12:43:56 pm
E.B.O.N.Y.

Elite Black Ops Non Yielding ….  or something like that..?

Team

Cage 1972 - superhuman strength and stamina, (the leader)
Falcon- Capt A 1969 empathic, control birds and sees through their eyes.
Black Bolt- Inhumans  1965 manipulates electrons and generates sonic waves.
Misty Knight- Marvel Comics 1975 along with a Robotic arm she is the Martial Artist and the Detective.
Powerhouse- Spider man 1991 She drains other peoples powers and energy…


all marvel, two gals three guys, some known some unknown.. its Team EBONY! :)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 12, 2009, 01:07:12 pm
so your team is kinda like the eXiles, huh?
temporally displaced members of the Marvel U who have been brought together for some purpose?
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: hero X on March 13, 2009, 10:33:21 pm
ok reggie get to work on a 1 shot and see what happens heck i'll even give you an opening, picture this the patriot chases down the falcon upset that his grandfather has been missing for 2 weeks and no one seems to care so sam reaches out to a few ppl to get to the bottom of it and you can finish the rest  and heck you can even have them bump heads with the dark avengers or the thunderbolts hmmmm maybe norman kidnaps Isaiah to try and syntasize a stand of the super-soldier serum, just a though and hey with all these ideas get me a job there at marvel..lol j/k.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 14, 2009, 04:02:35 pm
ok reggie get to work on a 1 shot and see what happens heck i'll even give you an opening, picture this the patriot chases down the falcon upset that his grandfather has been missing for 2 weeks and no one seems to care so sam reaches out to a few ppl to get to the bottom of it and you can finish the rest  and heck you can even have them bump heads with the dark avengers or the thunderbolts hmmmm maybe norman kidnaps Isaiah to try and syntasize a stand of the super-soldier serum, just a though and hey with all these ideas get me a job there at marvel..lol j/k.

let's start with punctuation first, okay?
:)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: hero X on March 15, 2009, 09:53:53 pm
WOW so it's like that huh, ok np.  I'll just fall back in my lane and read not post, thanks for putting little old me in my place.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 16, 2009, 11:56:23 am
WOW so it's like that huh, ok np.  I'll just fall back in my lane and read not post, thanks for putting little old me in my place.

hahahah...
it's all good.
it just means ur family.
hahahahha
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Blanks on March 16, 2009, 03:46:23 pm
yeah, we give each other hell here. Its all in fun.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: hero X on March 16, 2009, 07:26:06 pm
ok cool well I guess the over sensitivity comes from other boards so it's all good ppl.  On another note I finally have the jewelry done  but don't want to just post just that since the costume is still being worked on so i'll post it all this weekend.  Once again it's good to be in the family.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 17, 2009, 02:02:01 am
ok cool well I guess the over sensitivity comes from other boards so it's all good ppl.  On another note I finally have the jewelry done  but don't want to just post just that since the costume is still being worked on so i'll post it all this weekend.  Once again it's good to be in the family.

i feel u playboy.
like i said, you're officially family.
the HEF is not like those "other" sites at all.
shucks, u were cool with me when i saw u rockin' that costume on Attack of the Show's coverage of comicon last year.. 8)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Goat on March 31, 2009, 09:24:05 am
Mastrmynd ... 6042 post... 13 of which are quality statements.



;)

Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 31, 2009, 11:48:05 am
hahahah...i think...ha?
 ???

lol. at least i have 13 good ones.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Tahdigga on August 25, 2009, 04:48:26 pm
I would read a book with black heroes teaming up, but it has to have a good story, filled with action, a little romance, some sci fi.....oh and Pulsar, Storm and all of those super sexy black men...lol

I think the team should be called "The Enforcers" or P.R.I.D.E. ( Powerful, Rightous, Intelligent, Determined, Empowered)

Black Team/First Responders and International Adventures


Black Panther
Falcon
War Machine
Goliath
Cage

Gold Team/Space Alliance and Galactic Adventures

Pulsar
Blue Marvel
Isis
Doctor Voodoo
Midnight Sun



White Team/ Mutant Alliance and Interdimensional Adventures


Storm
Bishop
Gentle
Cloak
Pathway

Stand by's

Debrii
Silhouette
3D Man
Blade
Patriot
Night Thrasher
Misty Knight
Deathlok
Battlestar
Dr.Cecilia Reyes
Rage
Hybrid
Synch (if he was living)
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Hypestyle on May 30, 2019, 11:23:33 am
I definitely still wish this could come out as a comic series.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 31, 2019, 04:50:06 pm
I definitely still wish this could come out as a comic series.

I absolutely second that.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 01, 2019, 06:17:21 am
I definitely still wish this could come out as a comic series.

I absolutely second that.

And even though this should go without saying, but given the comics we see on the stands: only with the right writer and artist. 
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 01, 2019, 01:30:35 pm
I definitely still wish this could come out as a comic series.

I absolutely second that.

And even though this should go without saying, but given the comics we see on the stands: only with the right writer and artist.


Who would you say is that writer and artist? Or the 5 writers and 5 artists you would trust with this series?

I lead with our own R to the H...the author and bold expounder of this idea...and nominate Eaton and Ledkilla as his duo of artists.

Priest could annihilate this whole thing, but I don't trust his mindset and his extensive wariness of being the Black guy writing The Black Book.

Walker has a good style, but for some reason he's not resonating the way that he should with sales. Pair him with superstar artists for 18 issues...long enough to find and keep a strong following...and he's doin big things.

Of course, our own Redjack can do this... he's SO TALENTED...but he needs the super star artists, the same way that Walker does.

You know who else could crush this? Our own HEFfas like Ture, and all of our fanfic writers here.

OF COURSE I would trust Al Ewing with this book, provided that he came in focused and motivated, plus had a powerful artist as his guaranteed accomplice for 18 issues. I'm thinking? Foreman or someone like him.

A couple other White writers I would trust with this unit...if they came in focused and committed? Warren Ellis, Mark Millar.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 02, 2019, 12:02:28 pm
I'd give it to RedJack, after seeing what he did on Black Panther series on TV. 

The artist has to high name recognition and for my own tastes, I want the classic larger than life Marvel style, like Perez (sadly retired), Alan Davis or Phil Jimenez. 
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 02, 2019, 12:32:00 pm
I'd give it to RedJack, after seeing what he did on Black Panther series on TV. 

The artist has to high name recognition and for my own tastes, I want the classic larger than life Marvel style, like Perez (sadly retired), Alan Davis or Phil Jimenez.

PEREZ is RETIRED? Oh no!

But yeah I definitely think that Redjack should have a crack at this. That's why I mentioned him. Cosign.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Ezyo on June 02, 2019, 12:34:04 pm
  writer's in some sort of order
Redjack
Hudlin
Narcisse (I feel he is a diamond in the rough)
Priest
Aaron
Millar
Hickman
Ewing

Artist in no particular order
Lashley
Coipel
Acuna
Perkins
Marquez
Rocafort
Ribic
Romita Jr
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 03, 2019, 01:19:09 pm
writer's in some sort of order
Redjack
Hudlin
Narcisse (I feel he is a diamond in the rough)
Priest
Aaron
Millar
Hickman
Ewing

Artist in no particular order
Lashley
Coipel
Acuna
Perkins
Marquez
Rocafort
Ribic
Romita Jr



^^^YESSIR! Outstanding list, there. I think Redjack should lead the charge of the New Generation, considering the incredible work he did with The BP show on Disney Channel. Narcisse should definitely be in there, as #2 on the charge. I'm thinking? Give Redjack the ongoing anime of BP on Disney, give Narcisse and Joe Robert Cole...cowriter of the MCU BLACK PANTHER movie with Coogler... the regular ongoing with say Romita Jr. on the first 6 issues, Ledkilla on the next 6 issues, and Eaton, Acuna, Coipel and Rocafort on a rotating but permanent art chores from then on.

Promoting Cole as the co-writer of the MCU BP will definitely fire up sales and tighten continuity between the comics and the movies, and give the series a lot more shine. They'll speedily do away with Coatesverse BP and probably start the whole franchise from scratch [ again ] but with a much more respectful and better combo of the real BP [ Gillis+Priest+Hudlin+McDuffie+Aaron+Narcisse+Liss+Ewing+all other respectful depictions of BP ] from yet another #1 issue.

We'll get shine in the large newspapers, the Afrikan media, a bit of shine in hiphop with heads making tracks for the issues like Coates had; except this time we'll have names that matter in the underground AND mainstream [ maybe a verse from a unreleased track or a released track of Nipsey Hu$$le, a hot 16 bars from Royce Da 5'9", with bars on the same track from somebody the kids will get behind like Pusha T and Cardi B both of whom Royce will smaaaash on track, and maybe Drake...yeah I said it...with undaground fierce beasts like Metaphor The Great and Asheru, who did The Boondocks Theme Song ]. A video with Black Panthers doing a blend of Njia Uhuru Kipura, 52 Blocks, Kali, Silat [ all Afrikan arts ] while these rhyme reavers blast the blazin Wakanda pumpin Black Panther luvin tracks would absolutely crack the ceilings of heads listening to it and amp interest in the comic book like a mug.

ESPECIALLY. IF. BLADE. MISTY KNIGHT. STORM. MONICA RAMBEAU FRESH FROM CAPTAIN MARVEL. LUKE CAGE. AND FALCON. WERE IN THE FIRST 6 ISSUES AND SHOWN IN THE VIDEO ALONG WITH THE REST OF WAKANDA.

I think that up there would kill it^^^. And set us off to record breaking sales for Black Panther, that would stay strong because BP the movie drops next year.
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: Ezyo on June 04, 2019, 09:08:30 pm
I think those are good ideas, honestly, though I would say come should be focusing on giving us the best mcu Tchalla we can get with Coogler. Redjack doing the solo (or animation series) and Hudlin or narcisse or any of the other writer's listed would be fine. They would have the consistency and comic book mindset to do great especially with marvel full support. Narcisse just needs a consultant that actually knows how Comics work. Having a neophyte consulting other neophytes is a bad idea and sets up failure. I think narcisse would do well if paired up with Hudlin or Priest even since Priest is likely done with BP, having him as a consultant instead would probably be the next best thing.

But what I would say is keep any and all other heroes out of the first part of BP for a creative team overhaul. Throwing those heroes in there (and let's be frank, none of them have any where near the star power Tchalla has) would actually likely hurt the book because 1. It shows a lack of confidence in Tchallas selling ability and comes off as though he needs guest to help sell, and 2. Those other heroes would take away precious panel time from his actual supporting cast, and BP himself. They can all make Cameo appearances later (really I would only be okay with Blade Cage, and Monica appearing and that's more so for a throwback to Hudlins black steel) but they don't need to be in the very first story
Title: Re: The HEF creates... "The Black Avengers"
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 06, 2019, 01:49:39 pm
I think those are good ideas, honestly, though I would say come should be focusing on giving us the best mcu Tchalla we can get with Coogler. Redjack doing the solo (or animation series) and Hudlin or narcisse or any of the other writer's listed would be fine. They would have the consistency and comic book mindset to do great especially with marvel full support. Narcisse just needs a consultant that actually knows how Comics work. Having a neophyte consulting other neophytes is a bad idea and sets up failure. I think narcisse would do well if paired up with Hudlin or Priest even since Priest is likely done with BP, having him as a consultant instead would probably be the next best thing.

But what I would say is keep any and all other heroes out of the first part of BP for a creative team overhaul. Throwing those heroes in there (and let's be frank, none of them have any where near the star power Tchalla has) would actually likely hurt the book because 1. It shows a lack of confidence in Tchallas selling ability and comes off as though he needs guest to help sell, and 2. Those other heroes would take away precious panel time from his actual supporting cast, and BP himself. They can all make Cameo appearances later (really I would only be okay with Blade Cage, and Monica appearing and that's more so for a throwback to Hudlins black steel) but they don't need to be in the very first story



Yessir! Well said. I like that idea, too. Very much.  I don't see a problem with either approach. T'Challa has already proven to be a major franchise period, so even a best of both world approach like  3 ish arc solo with a 3 ish arc with teams ups would be very potent and very true to T'Challa and Wakanda. Especially if the 3 ish team up arc is more like a Wakandan villain has a nefarious plan that imperils other heroes on their turf, and T'Challa shows to save the day. Or...more likely...some Hatut Zeraze or Dora Milaje show with a timely assist, and let Whoever The team up hero Is know that T;Challa is aware of the threat and summons said hero to [ wherever T'Challa is ] to help said hero do [ whatever the hero needs to do ] and vanquish [ I almost stopped using that term..."vanquish"... after seeing CHARMED ].

For instance, Baba Wa Mipufa "Father of Bones"...a Lieutenant of Bwana Wa Mafu, "Lord of the Dead" aka Baron Macabre...is robbing sites all over the world of strange unknown items. One of which is in The Sea Islands of The Gullah, another in the long forgotten graveyard of Seneca Village. Seneca Village is the long forgotten affluent Afrikan American village that White people destroyed...because they hated the sight and knowledge of successful Afrikan American landowners, the first such of its kind in NYC history...existing at all. So they not only destroyed it, they tried to erase historical reference of it and built Central Park over it. It's one of the maaaany de facto Black Wall Streets that White folks destroyed.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Village)

^^^This up here? Could attract Luke Cage, Blade or Dr. Voodoo for a team up. I'm leaning toward Cage, because Dr. Voodoo and Blade wouldn't need any help to handle this. Cage could handle this too, but it's a bit out of his regular path. Like the "4 The Hard Way/Bad Mutha" arc from R to the H was.

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1524190544i/388971._UY990_SS990_.jpg)


Miss those days so much...


...and we could have Baba Wa Mipufa act up in other locales with other heroes with each team up being pretty much a 1 ish and done thing, until T'Challa lays the smack down on Baba  Wa Mipufa and his master at the end of issue 3 or the end of issue 4. We could see T'Challa getting his King on by showing his strike teams engaging the forces of Baba Wa Mipufa around the world. T'Challa himself shouldn't really show up until more than half way through the team up. That way the Hatut and Dora could get serious shine as serious forces themselves, fully capable of taking down villainous threats without the presence or oversight of The Black Panther. It also emphasizes the "Man of Mystery, Man With The Plan" bedrock character of T'Challa.

But whatever sells the most while both hewing to the primary characteristic of and refining the mythos of The Black Panther? I'm down with that.