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Title: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: stanleyballard on July 27, 2019, 10:30:40 am
https://youtu.be/QB01vToC3LA
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on August 15, 2019, 09:15:39 am
http://deadline.com/2019/08/harriet-tubman-meets-gun-debate-things-get-complicated-1202668323/ (http://deadline.com/2019/08/harriet-tubman-meets-gun-debate-things-get-complicated-1202668323/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on August 19, 2019, 04:16:29 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMxWa76Gw_8#)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on September 11, 2019, 05:10:26 am
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/harriet-tiff-2019-1238827 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/harriet-tiff-2019-1238827)

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-tubman-movie-interview-backstory-002827836.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-tubman-movie-interview-backstory-002827836.html)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on September 12, 2019, 11:57:51 am
http://thegrio.com/2019/09/12/harriet-the-first-film-about-tubman-premieres-in-toronto/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/09/12/harriet-the-first-film-about-tubman-premieres-in-toronto/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on September 16, 2019, 03:20:02 pm
http://face2faceafrica.com/article/nigerians-divided-as-lupita-plays-igbo-character-in-tv-adaptation-of-chimamandas-americanah (http://face2faceafrica.com/article/nigerians-divided-as-lupita-plays-igbo-character-in-tv-adaptation-of-chimamandas-americanah)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 22, 2019, 07:43:16 am
http://screenrant.com/harriet-2019-movie-reviews/ (http://screenrant.com/harriet-2019-movie-reviews/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 22, 2019, 07:15:06 pm
If there's any trend in Black America that disgusts me, it's the ADOS movement.  It's so anti-intellectual, so anti-black nationalism.  They identify with slavery as their main point of identity...how sick is that? 

The movement is financed by the right wingers who want to suppress the black vote in the next election.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 23, 2019, 06:18:45 am
If there's any trend in Black America that disgusts me, it's the ADOS movement.  It's so anti-intellectual, so anti-black nationalism.  They identify with slavery as their main point of identity...how sick is that? 

The movement is financed by the right wingers who want to suppress the black vote in the next election.

Mr. Hudlin,

I respectfully disagree with you. While I am not an ADOS movement member/devotee (though I am ADOS), I do listen often to podcasts from its founders, Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore, and whether you agree with them, or not, they are not anti-intellectual. Carnell has a book club, that has gone over books like Color of Law, and most recently MLK's Where Do We Go from Here? Both refer back to data to inform their take on our current political, socioeconomic condition, and Moore especially has impressed upon me the precariousness of Black America's economic situation, and how it looks to get even worse by mid-century. ADOS supports reparations, stronger than any mainstream liberal group, and certainly the Democratic Party, so how is that anti-black nationalism? Further, they don't want to suppress the Black vote, they just want greater accountability from the candidates who are running-something even people like Al Sharpton and other mainstream Blacks claim they sometimes want too but will knuckle under quickly and accept whatever the Democratic Party offers up; ADOS supposedly is not going to crumble this time, and they are demanding action and tangibles for their support, which is something other groups do, and are rewarded by. It's just black people who are supposed to vote, vote, vote, and get little to nothing in return, but then expected to vote even harder the next time, for little or even less. ADOS is one of the groups attempting to escape from that dead-end political vise.

ADOS is not anti-Black nationalist (depending on how you define that), though they are anti-Pan Africanist. And even here, they make some good distinctions based on ethnicity, lineage, and nationality, and they have made me more aware of those differences, and how some (but not all) Black immigrants harbor anti-Black American views and work against the Black American community/our interests. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out. ADOS isn't only for reparations for Black Americans, however they say that other groups should press for reparations with the country's that enslaved them, as opposed to coming here and then either wanting reparations from the US government or joining the anti-reparations crowd because they won't be receiving any reparations from our government. I do think there is a tinge of xenophobia at times when it comes to some ADOS arguments, which I'm not cool with-but there are Black immigrants or first generation Black Americans who also support ADOS to be clear. Further, while I really wished that Pan-Africanism worked, I think ADOS has every right to question if it works, if it's ever worked, or if it's time has passed, and people need to figure out something else. And Black Americans have a right to question this because in many respects we are the best example of Pan-Africanism that's ever existed, with so many of our ancestors being stripped of their cultural/familial identities and having to join together and become a new, linked people. I've even seen an ADOS fellow traveler suggest that once Black Americans get their stuff together they will be better able to join up with and assist other Blacks around the world. I prefer that position as opposed to a strong dividing line between Black Americans, Diasporic Africans, and Continental Africans.

As for going back to slavery, I think ADOS in a way is trying to take the stigma away from what our ancestors endured. Isn't the mainstream approved New York Times's 1619 Project doing something similar and do you consider what the NYT to be doing, also 'sick'? Though slavery was horrific, and it's not our whole story, for many Black Americans, that was the origin story, the start of us becoming a distinct group, with our own history and ways of seeing and making it in the world. I sometimes feel we are supposed to be ashamed of what we endured, how that warped us, and that other groups of Blacks, with more intact histories, lineages, and cultures are supposed to be 'better' or have more 'roots' than us. But ADOS has helped me more realize that we have a valuable history and a worthy culture all on our own, and in many respects we are the global face of Blackness, which is sometimes bad, but often good, and there's nothing to be ashamed of; instead its something we should embrace. We should not feel like strangers in our own home, and definitely not allow other Blacks, or others fresh off the boat, to come in here and denigrate us (the CBS show "Bob Hearts Abishola" comes to mind; as does Cynthia Erivo's social media swipes at Black Americans. How do you expect a conscious Black American audience to accept a woman playing one of the greatest Black Americans to be contemptuous of the same people Tubman was part of and sacrificed so much to save?).

I am not going to support the Harriet Tubman movie, definitely after I saw Erivo's tweets and her fumbling non-attempts (IMO) to address the issue and not just make it about her and how she was 'hurt' by the reaction, or reduce the negative reactions to her casting as simply a lack of Hollywood roles in general for Black actors. Nollywood, and Erivo's perhaps easier chances to make it there aren't even brought up. It's Hollywood or nothing I guess for her. She wants the EGOT and she will ride the back of Black America to get it, even sullying herself (my words here) playing a Black American.

And this isn't solely a situation about "bad" Black Americans mistreating Black Brits/Nigerians, because some Africans don't like the casting of Lupita Nyong'o in the adaptation of Americanah because she is of a different nationality than the character she is playing. For me, it's about who gets to tell our stories, who owns our history-us or someone else? I similarly plan on not supporting the Daniel Kaluuya as Fred Hampton movie either. It's almost like they are slapping us in the face now with some of these castings. It's not about the ability of the actors here, but about their disconnection from the source material/history. Over the last several years we've had non-Black Americans play MLK, Coretta Scott King, Solomon Northup, Buddy Bolden, soon Harriet Tubman (and Ervio will be playing Aretha Franklin as well), and Fred Hampton, and these are all from American studios, which is different than American studios picking American actors like Denzel (Steven Biko), Forest Whitaker (Idi Amin), Will Smith (Bennet Omalu), Jennifer Hudson (Winnie Mandela), Terrence Howard (Nelson Mandela), and Morgan Freeman (Nelson Mandela) to take on African historical figures. It's like Hollywood is trying to replace Black Americans with non-Black Americans to better sell more palatable historical takes. This happens with White actors as well, though the history and context is different, it's Whites making decisions for and about other Whites, as opposed to White studios making decisions about Black actors and how to portray Black history. Further, I've never seen a White actor who plays a White historical figure denigrate the people that person identified with. Even Christian Bale, who did an excellent job as Dick Cheney in Vice, went after Cheney personally, and not White Americans as a group.

I remember reading about how Jamie Foxx and the Django Unchained cast had emotional reactions to that film, and then I think about how Denzel brought the fire in Malcolm X, Nate Parker's great turn as Nat Turner, and how Will inhabited Muhammad Ali. I don't see the same fire when it comes to non-Black Americans playing Black American historical roles, because IMO they don't have the same emotional connection. Doesn't mean they aren't good actors, or the films they've been in (like Bolden, Selma, or 12 Years A Slave, etc.) were bad films. Just that there's a disconnect there, like they can't fully go there. Not saying that with Bolden actor Gary Carr, who I didn't realize was British until later, but that film itself had some of its own issues, with a white director attempting to fill in the blanks of a historical figure with little written history. I didn't know anything about Bolden going into the film so I couldn't judge if the film got the man 'right' or not in any case. I also think RH's own film Marshall, the people involved there had more of an emotional connection, they knew how much it meant to honor the history in a way I don't think anyone who comes from another place, country, or culture will not automatically have because it's not really their history, it's not really them. Doesn't mean they can't do the work, study up on it, find ways to connect, but still that's different than coming up in it, and being able to tap into that experience.

If I do feel the itch to see Harriet Tubman once the marketing for it kicks in, I bought the Blu-Ray for A Woman Called Moses, and I think I'll just watch that instead.

https://ados101.com/about-ados
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 23, 2019, 07:21:45 am
What Antonio Moore says about Trump's 'lynching' tweet:

http://thegrio.com/2019/10/22/watch-the-evil-history-of-lynching-and-why-president-trumps-tweet-was-disrespectful/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/10/22/watch-the-evil-history-of-lynching-and-why-president-trumps-tweet-was-disrespectful/)

From what I've seen of ADOS, they criticize both Republicans and Democrats. I do think they spend more time on the Democrats though because Black people by and large aren't supporting the GOP so there is little to be gained by convincing them of being more skeptical about them or less supportive of them.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 25, 2019, 02:33:41 am
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Battle on October 25, 2019, 03:32:07 am
Extremely dangerous. (https://i.imgur.com/Y5bt0Ss.gif)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 25, 2019, 05:19:22 am
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.


Yvette did have the hat, which was for shock value, which she has explained. I don't agree with everything Carnell (or Antonio Moore for that matter) says, but she makes good points, and I've been coming around to her way of thinking more and more over the years. Moore has been the most out there in support of Byron Allen's case against Comcast, with the Trump administration supporting Comcast. And Moore is the co-founder of ADOS with Carnell, so how MAGA is that? I can't think off hand of the critiques against Trump that Carnell has made, because she generally focuses on reparations, economic inequality, and black politics (which aren't rooted much in conservative politics) but I am certain she has criticized him. If anything, I think ADOS is creating a lane that would be more truly progressive for us than what we have with the Democratic Party. They want reparations, which would be transformative, and equalizing in a way no Democratic legislation or initiative, from the New Deal to Great Society, has been. Further, Trump is against reparations, so how does Carnell's supposed MAGA leanings coincide with that? Also, Carnell is a big proponent of government action to solve our problems, which is not conservative at all. Sometimes, I disagree with her criticism of capitalism and the 'do-for-self' ethos which I do think has and can be beneficial to us. If anything, Carnell's economic views might be far left.

I can't speak on how Carnell views Malcolm X or DuBois, however, I think we all know that those men have been dead for over 50 years now, and I would say (these are my words) that some ADOS, or ADOS traveling, proponents criticize the existing state and viability of Pan-Africanism, as well they should. DuBois, Malcolm X, and Dr. King, while all great leaders and towering intellects, were not gods, and I think it's been far more dangerous for us to hold their words as holy writ half a century after they are no longer here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be students of them, and others, but also that we keep in mind that they were looking at the problems confronting them, at that time, and had no way to truly see what future generations would be dealing with, though I think Malcolm and Kwame Ture were pretty good at seeing how things would turn out, but I digress. Making some of these figures gods has been used against us, when you have Fox News and Glenn Beck quoting-or half-quoting King in an attempt to go against contemporary demands for change. White liberals, among others, do this as well.

You don't have to give Carnell, Moore, or any of the other ADOS proponents the time of day, but it's not intellectually honest to cast aspersions on them without actually listening to what they have to say or reading what they have written. 

It's easy to get huffy about ADOS, but yet, there's very little ire for the Democrats who underdeliver, don't deliver, or deliver pain time after time, and we are expected to just keep voting for them. Where's the ire for that?

To me, you consider ADOS dangerous because you know they have some credible points, or are at least can point out how the Democrats haven't done much to alleviate our condition, and aren't planning to do so either-especially if they get another centrist nominee-and that that can make the ADOS message attractive to rightly disaffected black voters. You might say that's the result of 'dumb' or easily misled people, but if you believe that, then do you truly believe that the non-'elite' black people who vote Democrat (or the blacks who just vote GOP) aren't suffering from the same affliction? How much sense does it make to vote for the Democrats? And since you brought up Malcolm X earlier, Brother Malcolm brilliantly broke down the folly of such mindless voting in "The Ballot or the Bullet", and even though that speech is 50 years out of date it still holds.

If ADOS is so dangerous, tell me what all this 'brave' or 'smart' voting for the Democrats have gotten us over the last 50 years?
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 25, 2019, 01:13:58 pm
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 25, 2019, 03:42:03 pm
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 25, 2019, 08:08:04 pm
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 25, 2019, 08:12:47 pm
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 26, 2019, 08:44:59 am
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.

I agree with you once again. It's easy to go after them when you don't listen to them, or perhaps listen to what other people say about them. Moore had been invited to participate in the next Revolt summit, but they rescinded the invitation. They don't want to give any larger forums to either Carnell or Moore because they know how potent their ideas are and they want to ignore them or change the conversation, or provide their vague or weaker ideas about 'reparations' in an attempt to fool ADOS reparations advocates.

I think some in the "Resistance" love to pretend that they are more open-minded and tolerant than Trump supporters, but when it comes to ADOS, or other issues or people who don't fit within the narrow establishment Democratic Party agenda then out comes the name-calling and the distortion or exaggeration of people's stances, the questioning of their motives, the bullying, shaming, guilting, and insulting tactics, etc. It's throwing mud while pretending they have the cleanest hands in the room.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 26, 2019, 03:10:40 pm
http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/news/20191025/southern-burlington-county-naacp-cancels-screening-of-harriet-tubman-biopic-due-to-legal-battle-with-comcast (http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/news/20191025/southern-burlington-county-naacp-cancels-screening-of-harriet-tubman-biopic-due-to-legal-battle-with-comcast)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 26, 2019, 04:08:24 pm
Some of Antonio Moore's content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY6nl9NZWJk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY6nl9NZWJk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=577ZH-WPWqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=577ZH-WPWqQ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYuCf-VdViM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYuCf-VdViM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWJBzvCY_Tw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWJBzvCY_Tw)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 26, 2019, 04:19:37 pm
Some of Yvette Carnell's content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbwFthGFaQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbwFthGFaQ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmbjbeE73Vs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmbjbeE73Vs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5urCbZHlOc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5urCbZHlOc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLaRs3WMi0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLaRs3WMi0)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 27, 2019, 02:21:37 pm
http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2019/10/a-day-with-minty-exploring-maryland-history-and-culture-surrounding-the-life-of-harriet-tubman/ (http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2019/10/a-day-with-minty-exploring-maryland-history-and-culture-surrounding-the-life-of-harriet-tubman/)

http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2019/10/tiff-2019-exclusive-director-kaci-lemmons-talks-filming-harriet/ (http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2019/10/tiff-2019-exclusive-director-kaci-lemmons-talks-filming-harriet/)

http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2019/10/red-carpet-coverage-from-harriet-washington-d-c-premiere/ (http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2019/10/red-carpet-coverage-from-harriet-washington-d-c-premiere/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 27, 2019, 10:14:21 pm
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
A MAGA hat and a klan hood are interchangeable to me.   I don't need to know more.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 27, 2019, 10:15:45 pm
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Battle on October 28, 2019, 03:11:33 am
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.



Agreed.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 28, 2019, 06:31:41 am
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.


You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.


You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?


To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.


Number one, they are not discouraging people from voting. Since you won't take the time to explore their views since you apparently already know them, but if you had, you might discover that they are seeking to make Black voters and citizens more informed, and that is doing something. They are demanding accountability from the people who arrogantly think we should just vote for them just because, which is ironic because it's okay to demand that two people from You Tube 'do sh*t' but not demand the same of the Democratic Party, which has millions at their disposal. When it comes to the Democrats where is the anger or demands for accountability? When it comes to them, out come the excuses. Well they can't do much because Trump, or McConnell, or the Supreme Court, but still, we got to vote, vote, vote even though we aren't going to get much, or should expect to get much, and as Van Jones said on the Breakfast Club (paraphrasing here), we have to be the 'adults' and we have to 'sacrifice'. Black voters always get that condescending talk, but then are exhorted to come out in droves to vote for people, a party, that boldly tells us they won't do anything specific for us, or they won't do much, and what they do put forward has to help 'minorities' and other groups as much (but really more) than us. It's a defeating message that is sold to us every election and I for one am glad more people like Carnell and Moore are not having it anymore.

They are not like Candace Owens at all. Candace Owens is more of a programmed black conservative troll, and that's not Carnell or Moore. They bring far more intellectual honesty and curiosity to their ideas, and it's not fair, though very easy, to try to sweep them all under the same rug. Rev. Kevin Cosby, who rides with Carnell and Moore is the president of Simmons College, an HBCU, so does that pass the who has ADOS helped question? And for me, as I've said before, both Carnell and Moore have made me more informed so I can tell you they have helped me. Their role in shifting the political discussion in our community has made more of us informed and it's forced the Democrats to have to consider reparations in ways they haven't before. How is that not 'doing sh*t'? Tell me how the approved Black media voices have offered anything new ideas in the last 50 years? Even Cory Booker's "Baby Bonds" idea was concocted from the same pro-reparations intellectual waters as the ADOS movement. Darrick Hamilton, a proponent of Baby Bonds, did an economic report with Antonio Moore, as did Dr. William Darity.

You accuse both Carnell and Moore of being grifters, where's the proof of that? I can't recall Moore ever asking for donations. He was talking about their latest ADOS conference (which both Dr. Cornell West and presidential candidate Marianne Williamson attended; bigger gets than even the Revolt Summit so far), ticket prices and how they would raise them in the future, but he made certain to say not to an astronomical level. Carnell does ask more for donations, like many other You Tubers, and I don't see it as being excessive. They are giving people the content they desire so why not get compensated for it? It's not like they have promised something they have not delivered or straight up tell you they won't do for you, like the Democrats.

When you ask what have Moore and Carnell done, what have Angela Rye, Van Jones, April Ryan, Roland Martin, Don Lemon, Joy-Ann Reid, Jonathan Capehart, Eugene Robinson, or any of these people who also talk politics on mainstream media have done? If you go with the First Step Act for Jones, well, who was the president who signed that legislation? All of the people I named got bigger forums (or had in the case of Martin) and more financial backing than either Carnell or Moore, who are going against the grain. Even Candace Owens has more backing, getting to be on Fox News frequently, but yet, I don't see the same frustration with liberal talking heads as there is for Moore and Carnell.

http://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/does-homeownership-really-drive-the-black-white-wealth-gap/558410/ (http://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/does-homeownership-really-drive-the-black-white-wealth-gap/558410/)

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/24593-2/ (http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/24593-2/)

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17999558/cory-booker-baby-bonds (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17999558/cory-booker-baby-bonds)

http://www.wunc.org/post/will-america-ever-close-its-racial-wealth-gap (http://www.wunc.org/post/will-america-ever-close-its-racial-wealth-gap)

http://thenextsystem.org/for-reparations (http://thenextsystem.org/for-reparations)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/how-barack-obama-failed-black-americans/511358/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/how-barack-obama-failed-black-americans/511358/)

http://www.huffpost.com/entry/slaverys-shadow-how-forbe_b_5505319?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANXeSfcSggCL4QCNDLL7OyD3djTMhebKJ655ynogZhF6EPuyyUkKiCydeDe-e0HZCxPjX8gWzJtz8ecfToIMMqFS07Y_ZoFk0R_hGMO-pC4VwqMGg1RWIiUQeam7DMny957GoHQQir2IUwaGB2AdgPWAtUE3PS3KvqV2HMFI6Zql (http://www.huffpost.com/entry/slaverys-shadow-how-forbe_b_5505319?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANXeSfcSggCL4QCNDLL7OyD3djTMhebKJ655ynogZhF6EPuyyUkKiCydeDe-e0HZCxPjX8gWzJtz8ecfToIMMqFS07Y_ZoFk0R_hGMO-pC4VwqMGg1RWIiUQeam7DMny957GoHQQir2IUwaGB2AdgPWAtUE3PS3KvqV2HMFI6Zql)

http://today.duke.edu/2014/05/wealthinequity (http://today.duke.edu/2014/05/wealthinequity)


Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 28, 2019, 06:40:07 am
http://www.yahoo.com/news/harriet-powerful-rebuke-white-supremacy-081758146.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/harriet-powerful-rebuke-white-supremacy-081758146.html)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: stanleyballard on October 29, 2019, 12:55:31 pm
Believe 100% that reparations are due to ADOS and long overdue as an honest subject for us given the promised but never paid 40 acres and a mule from slavery here.  No one is perfect in their presentation or discourse on reparations but perhaps all can agree slavery completely destroyed Black people economically, decimated our languages, we were murdered, we collectively lost our identity, we were kidnapped, we were raped and even worse. 

At the very least we are owed raparations which is monetary, land, tax free, formal apology and more.  Many of us don’t understand the ramifications of chattel slavery but Dr. Claude Anderson can articulate this subject matter better than most.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 30, 2019, 06:55:44 am
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/05/us-rallies-to-stop-uk-taking-hollywood-by-storm (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/05/us-rallies-to-stop-uk-taking-hollywood-by-storm)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 30, 2019, 08:04:08 am
http://variety.com/2019/film/features/harriet-tubman-cynthia-erivo-kasi-lemmons-biopic-1203385680/ (http://variety.com/2019/film/features/harriet-tubman-cynthia-erivo-kasi-lemmons-biopic-1203385680/)

http://shadowandact.com/exclusive-watch-cynthia-erivo-address-controversy-surrounding-harriet-role-in-oprah-interview (http://shadowandact.com/exclusive-watch-cynthia-erivo-address-controversy-surrounding-harriet-role-in-oprah-interview)

http://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/harriet-kasi-lemmons-interview-1202183808/ (http://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/harriet-kasi-lemmons-interview-1202183808/)

http://shadowandact.com/harriet-director-kasi-lemmons-responds-to-backlash-over-cynthia-erivos-tubman-casting-i-understand-it/ (http://shadowandact.com/harriet-director-kasi-lemmons-responds-to-backlash-over-cynthia-erivos-tubman-casting-i-understand-it/)

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-fact-check-accurate-movie-160009625.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-fact-check-accurate-movie-160009625.html)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harriet-writer-talks-bringing-tubmans-story-hollywood-20-years-1251273 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harriet-writer-talks-bringing-tubmans-story-hollywood-20-years-1251273)

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/movie-harriet-tells-different-story-120106013.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/movie-harriet-tells-different-story-120106013.html)

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cast-harriet-tubman-movie-open-162000013.html (http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cast-harriet-tubman-movie-open-162000013.html)

http://www.bustle.com/p/marie-buchanon-wasnt-a-real-person-but-janelle-monaes-harriet-role-serves-a-greater-purpose-19225393/amp (http://www.bustle.com/p/marie-buchanon-wasnt-a-real-person-but-janelle-monaes-harriet-role-serves-a-greater-purpose-19225393/amp)

Some reviews:
http://www.yahoo.com/news/harriet-slave-land-thrill-ride-215136782.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/harriet-slave-land-thrill-ride-215136782.html)

http://shadowandact.com/harriet-movie-review (http://shadowandact.com/harriet-movie-review)

http://www.rogerebert.com/festivals-and-awards/tiff-2019-harriet-wasp-network-guns-akimbo (http://www.rogerebert.com/festivals-and-awards/tiff-2019-harriet-wasp-network-guns-akimbo)

http://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/harriet-review-cynthia-erivo-1203330489/ (http://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/harriet-review-cynthia-erivo-1203330489/)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/harriet-tiff-2019-1238827 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/harriet-tiff-2019-1238827)

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2019-10-30/harriet-cynthia-erivo-review (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2019-10-30/harriet-cynthia-erivo-review)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/10/29/harriet-review-a-real-life-hero-gets-a-solid-superhero-origin-story/#7fcb0eda6e81 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/10/29/harriet-review-a-real-life-hero-gets-a-solid-superhero-origin-story/#7fcb0eda6e81)

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-review-american-heroine-gets-163057874.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-review-american-heroine-gets-163057874.html)

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cast-harriet-tubman-movie-open-162000013.html (http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cast-harriet-tubman-movie-open-162000013.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFDOPZFcKw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFDOPZFcKw)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 30, 2019, 06:47:17 pm
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
A MAGA hat and a klan hood are interchangeable to me.   I don't need to know more.

You have given the little Red hat more power than it should ever have.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 30, 2019, 07:47:27 pm
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.

THIS, is what they've done.

1.Zetgeist- Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell have awakened the consciousness of ADOS to the point that they are now DEMANDING actually tangible benefits from politicians. DACA, marriage equality, Don't Ask Don't Tell, all these reforms were reached by their advocates engaging in quid pro quo politics. Why shouldn't the ADOS electorate take the same stance in regard to their welfare.

2.Critical Mass- The issue of reparations as related to Slavery has NEVER been more prominent in the history of this country. Both Moore and Carnell are directly responsible for that. Reparations and its place in American political discourse is now permanent due to their efforts and vision.

3.Knowledge- The economic plight of Blacks in America is absolutely dire and in the face of this reality we are being told that it is otherwise. Antonio Moore worked on a report of modern Black wealth with Dr. Darity, a noted economist. The average Black household is worth less than a few thousand dollars when depreciable assets are removed. Who in the mainstream media is pointing that out?

4.Accomplishments- The ADOS movement is 2 years old and already they have been targeted for destruction by those wanting to keep The Black electorate dumb, docile, and dependent upon a Democratic party that has taken them for granted for decades. ADOS has sharpened the minds of The Black electorate and advanced a vision that seeks their interests first.

5. Poor Righteous Grifters- There was an ADOS conference this month, check the prices for the tickets and the T-shirt as compared to what Revolt is doing. Look at the salaries of those working for The NAACP, Urban League, and The Black Congressional Congress in relation to what THEY'VE accomplished.

P.S. Antonio Moore was invited to The Revolt conference and they RESCINDED the invite after his Sean Combs comments were discovered.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 31, 2019, 05:27:40 am
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.

THIS, is what they've done.

1.Zetgeist- Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell have awakened the consciousness of ADOS to the point that they are now DEMANDING actually tangible benefits from politicians. DACA, marriage equality, Don't Ask Don't Tell, all these reforms were reached by their advocates engaging in quid pro quo politics. Why shouldn't the ADOS electorate take the same stance in regard to their welfare.

2.Critical Mass- The issue of reparations as related to Slavery has NEVER been more prominent in the history of this country. Both Moore and Carnell are directly responsible for that. Reparations and its place in American political discourse is now permanent due to their efforts and vision.

3.Knowledge- The economic plight of Blacks in America is absolutely dire and in the face of this reality we are being told that it is otherwise. Antonio Moore worked on a report of modern Black wealth with Dr. Darity, a noted economist. The average Black household is worth less than a few thousand dollars when depreciable assets are removed. Who in the mainstream media is pointing that out?

4.Accomplishments- The ADOS movement is 2 years old and already they have been targeted for destruction by those wanting to keep The Black electorate dumb, docile, and dependent upon a Democratic party that has taken them for granted for decades. ADOS has sharpened the minds of The Black electorate and advanced a vision that seeks their interests first.

5. Poor Righteous Grifters- There was an ADOS conference this month, check the prices for the tickets and the T-shirt as compared to what Revolt is doing. Look at the salaries of those working for The NAACP, Urban League, and The Black Congressional Congress in relation to what THEY'VE accomplished.

P.S. Antonio Moore was invited to The Revolt conference and they RESCINDED the invite after his Sean Combs comments were discovered.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on October 31, 2019, 05:29:15 am
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
A MAGA hat and a klan hood are interchangeable to me.   I don't need to know more.

You have given the little Red hat more power than it should ever have.

The red hat has such power due to the lies and failures of the Democrats to live up to what they said they were going to do. And lest we forget that the Democrats were the original party of the Klan.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 01, 2019, 06:48:42 am
http://www.yahoo.com/news/cynthia-erivo-says-harriet-film-185207808.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/cynthia-erivo-says-harriet-film-185207808.html)

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cynthia-erivo-becoming-harriet-tubman-221633361.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cynthia-erivo-becoming-harriet-tubman-221633361.html)

http://www.yahoo.com/news/true-story-harriet-tubman-shows-160028452.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/true-story-harriet-tubman-shows-160028452.html)

http://www.blackenterprise.com/see-harriet-this-weekend/ (http://www.blackenterprise.com/see-harriet-this-weekend/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: stanleyballard on November 02, 2019, 06:16:46 am
Saw the film last night and really disliked several things- first there is no documented proof that Black slave catchers or bounty hunters dominated the hunt for Harriet yet this movie demonizes Black men as the main villain. This false narrative is problematic and reason enough not to see this film.

Second, like most Hollywood film this one has a Caucasian savior who is the slave owner.  This is another false narrative and dangerous.  No different than the insulting play about slaves wanting to romance their demonic slave owners who see them as people to exploit, dehumanize and destroy.

This movie lacks the ability to take us deep into Harriet and her physical struggles when she initially escaped her captives- would have been more gritty had we seen her outsmart animals in her 100 mile journey on foot.  And it could connect more to this true Black super hero. In a way it avoids showing any animals lurking for more romanticized modern narratives that make this biopic seem like propaganda.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 02, 2019, 10:26:47 am
Appreciate the review. I've read other reviews that say similar.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 03, 2019, 10:51:52 am
I see the advocates of "Cancel culture" are conveniently quiet about this of propagandist trash!

They ENDED Nate Parker's career for THE BIRTH OF A NATION and they do NOTHING about this!
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 03, 2019, 03:43:08 pm
I see the advocates of "Cancel culture" are conveniently quiet about this of propagandist trash!

They ENDED Nate Parker's career for THE BIRTH OF A NATION and they do NOTHING about this!

Yeah. Some of the same criticisms I saw aimed at Parker's film are overlooked with "Harriet".
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 04, 2019, 04:16:36 am
http://eurweb.com/2019/11/03/harriet-tubman-film-receives-harsh-criticism-from-black-twitter-ados-watch/ (http://eurweb.com/2019/11/03/harriet-tubman-film-receives-harsh-criticism-from-black-twitter-ados-watch/)

http://newsone.com/3892189/harriet-movie-reviews/ (http://newsone.com/3892189/harriet-movie-reviews/)

http://newsone.com/3892395/harriet-movie-controversy-2020-election/ (http://newsone.com/3892395/harriet-movie-controversy-2020-election/)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/05/box-office-cynthia-erivo-and-kasi-lemmons-harriet-like-joker-captain-marvel-and-star-wars-shows-again-that-online-controversies-dont-matter/#1fe5ac2f58ff (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/05/box-office-cynthia-erivo-and-kasi-lemmons-harriet-like-joker-captain-marvel-and-star-wars-shows-again-that-online-controversies-dont-matter/#1fe5ac2f58ff)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 04, 2019, 05:59:22 pm
I agree substantially with this:
http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/ (http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/)

I struggle to understand the white savior objection. And I really struggle to understand the casting objection to Ms. Erivo. She got the gig. Either she rocks it or she doesn't. That has to do with her skills, not her parentage. I thought she did well.

All in all, I say see it. Seeing a vibrant Harriet Tubman, a contender for the black history Mt. Rushmore, as a dynamic young women doing the damn thing is a good look for me. It seems to me that she's often portrayed as a grim, monosyllabic one-note character based on mostly projections around the one famous photo or her later in life, I guess.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on November 04, 2019, 07:00:09 pm
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 04, 2019, 07:50:34 pm
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Show me a Holocaust movie, much less a BIOPIC where there is the underpinnings of a love interest between a Nazi and a Jew. Show me a Holocaust movie where any member of The Nazi Party is portrayed as a savior for Jews. SCHINDLER'S LIST is an ACTUAL account of a real life event so that doesn't count.

I don't mean to be insulting but do you realize the irony of YOU defending this film when you were instrumental in the making of DJANGO UNCHAINED?

Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 05, 2019, 05:43:56 am
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Show me a Holocaust movie, much less a BIOPIC where there is the underpinnings of a love interest between a Nazi and a Jew. Show me a Holocaust movie where any member of The Nazi Party is portrayed as a savior for Jews. SCHINDLER'S LIST is an ACTUAL account of a real life event so that doesn't count.

I don't mean to be insulting but do you realize the irony of YOU defending this film when you were instrumental in the making of DJANGO UNCHAINED?

"Underpinnings of a love interest", "Nazi portrayed as a savior"
What are you talking about? That wasn't in the movie I saw. 

I have no problem whatsoever embracing both DU and Harriet.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 05, 2019, 05:48:29 am
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

In case it's not obvious, co-sign on every single point here.
(Ok, except I don't know the producer. But I have seen the movie.)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 05, 2019, 03:08:40 pm
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Show me a Holocaust movie, much less a BIOPIC where there is the underpinnings of a love interest between a Nazi and a Jew. Show me a Holocaust movie where any member of The Nazi Party is portrayed as a savior for Jews. SCHINDLER'S LIST is an ACTUAL account of a real life event so that doesn't count.

I don't mean to be insulting but do you realize the irony of YOU defending this film when you were instrumental in the making of DJANGO UNCHAINED?

"Underpinnings of a love interest", "Nazi portrayed as a savior"
What are you talking about? That wasn't in the movie I saw. 

I have no problem whatsoever embracing both DU and Harriet.

Harriet isn't rescued by White slave master in the film?

Didn't the same White slave master express romantic interests in Harriet?

That wasn't in the movie.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 06, 2019, 10:25:29 am
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Show me a Holocaust movie, much less a BIOPIC where there is the underpinnings of a love interest between a Nazi and a Jew. Show me a Holocaust movie where any member of The Nazi Party is portrayed as a savior for Jews. SCHINDLER'S LIST is an ACTUAL account of a real life event so that doesn't count.

I don't mean to be insulting but do you realize the irony of YOU defending this film when you were instrumental in the making of DJANGO UNCHAINED?

"Underpinnings of a love interest", "Nazi portrayed as a savior"
What are you talking about? That wasn't in the movie I saw. 

I have no problem whatsoever embracing both DU and Harriet.

Harriet isn't rescued by White slave master in the film?

Didn't the same White slave master express romantic interests in Harriet?

That wasn't in the movie.

I guess you could spin it that way. Here's what I saw:
Spoiler (click to reveal)
  • The white slave master shooting a nigger in the head for disobediance.
  • The same white slave master trying to enforce his "property rights" over Minty/Harriet. Any lust he had ain't got sh*t to do
    with romance. And she deals with him like the badass she is.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 06, 2019, 11:52:18 am
I agree substantially with this:
[url]http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/[/url] ([url]http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/[/url])

I struggle to understand the white savior objection. And I really struggle to understand the casting objection to Ms. Erivo. She got the gig. Either she rocks it or she doesn't. That has to do with her skills, not her parentage. I thought she did well.

All in all, I say see it. Seeing a vibrant Harriet Tubman, a contender for the black history Mt. Rushmore, as a dynamic young women doing the damn thing is a good look for me. It seems to me that she's often portrayed as a grim, monosyllabic one-note character based on mostly projections around the one famous photo or her later in life, I guess.


Was Erivo's Harriet rescued by her slaveowner from Bigger Long or not? She was saved by him. That's a savior. He might not have appeared from on high like Brad Pitt in 12 Years a Slave, and the Harriet slaveowner had his own ulterior motives from what I've read, but he did prevent Bigger Long from putting a fatal bullet in Erivo's Harriet. As for the "Nazi" stuff I take issue with this description because it plays right into the thinking that led to Harriet. That our suffering, our pain isn't enough, it's not worthy enough to empathize with or sympathize for unlike Jews or other whites who have endured something, even if it's made up (think of how many sci-fi movies make white people/white characters the oppressed). From what I've heard Erivo's Harriet "deals" with the slaver with a speech.

The Nazis learned from the descendants of the Slave Power and "Lost Cause" (a term I heard that Erivo's Harriet said as well, and could allude to the "Lost Cause of the Confederacy" in what had to be a tone deaf mention, or a wink and a nod here), they long predated them. However, we can more easily see the Nazis as evil and beyond redemption, in ways we can't when it comes to American slaveowners. (But even with the Nazis, there's a movie with Amandla Stenberg Where Hands Touch, where she falls in love with a member of the Hitler Youth, so when it comes to blacks we are even supposed to forgive and understand the Nazis too). One can argue about the reality of black bounty hunters like Bigger Long, or how plentiful they were, but there's no evidence-I've seen-where a Bigger Long-like character factored into Harriet Tubman's real life, so why add this character into the film? Was Tubman's life not exciting enough as it was? (It's like adding the scarred Nazi ace pilot in Red Tails; was that necessary or did it make the film more cartoonish?) Before Long stomps Janelle Monae's character to the hereafter did she not call him a 'traitor'? Why was that line of dialogue in the film? Certainly it could fit the context of what was happening in that fatal scene, but what are the larger implications of the Bigger Long character? Does he not conform to the idea of straight black men as violent brutes, who are "The White People of Black People" as VerySmartBrothas declared a couple years ago, or simply are "terrorists" as another writer asserted? Long is a stand-in for all those who feel that straight black men are the greatest threat to black 'progress' today. His "toxic masculinity" and his love of white whores (didn't he say he wanted money for that as well?) fit white liberal/black feminists stereotypes about black men.

Also, it seemed pretty easy to find a black American to play Long, but not either of the Tubmans. As for Erivo's heritage being the cause of consternation, I've put links in this thread to show what why some people take issue with Erivo and it's not simply that she's a Nigerian Brit. She has a history of controversial anti-black comments or co-signing them, that even the pro-Harriet media can't erase, though some are trying to make light of or dismiss. While others are saying, go see the film despite it. Imagine the Jewish community, the gay community, Latino community, or others getting the same kind of exhortation to support a movie starring someone who has said something disparaging of their communities. I'm putting more articles about Erivo in here, and it's up to you to read them or not, but I would hope that you don't just accept the pro-Harriet crowd that this is just about not liking Erivo because she's not American. Also some people have issues with this film due to the Comcast Civil Rights case, with Comcast, with Focus Features as part of Comcast.

When it comes to the real Harriet Tubman's 'grim' countenance, when you consider what she went through, you expect her to be cheesing? Her gaze was steely and that's something I don't think Erivo can pull off. Further, when you look at pictures from the 19th century how many people do you see laughing or smiling in them?

http://thegrio.com/2019/11/05/melissa-murray-byron-allen-supreme-court/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/11/05/melissa-murray-byron-allen-supreme-court/)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/byron-allen-v-comcast-supreme-court-race-case-could-reshape-bias-lawsuits-1245950 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/byron-allen-v-comcast-supreme-court-race-case-could-reshape-bias-lawsuits-1245950)

http://deadline.com/2019/08/byron-allen-comcast-civil-rights-lawsuit-supreme-court-filing-reaction-doj-donald-trump-1202671369/ (http://deadline.com/2019/08/byron-allen-comcast-civil-rights-lawsuit-supreme-court-filing-reaction-doj-donald-trump-1202671369/)

http://thegrio.com/2019/08/20/byron-allen-donald-trumps-department-of-justice-and-comcast-are-working-together-to-destroy-a-civil-rights-law-in-the-u-s-supreme-court/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/08/20/byron-allen-donald-trumps-department-of-justice-and-comcast-are-working-together-to-destroy-a-civil-rights-law-in-the-u-s-supreme-court/)

http://thegrio.com/2019/10/29/opinion-antonio-moore-on-comcast-lawsuit-and-their-subsidiaries-company-releasing-harriet-film/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/10/29/opinion-antonio-moore-on-comcast-lawsuit-and-their-subsidiaries-company-releasing-harriet-film/)

http://thegrio.com/2019/09/24/killer-mike-demands-black-people-stand-with-byron-allen-in-supreme-court-fight/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/09/24/killer-mike-demands-black-people-stand-with-byron-allen-in-supreme-court-fight/)

http://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/michaelblackmon/harriet-kasi-lemmons-criticism-white-savior (http://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/michaelblackmon/harriet-kasi-lemmons-criticism-white-savior)

http://variety.com/2017/film/global/amandla-stenberg-where-hands-touch-sony-1202438599/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/global/amandla-stenberg-where-hands-touch-sony-1202438599/)

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/where-hands-touch-amma-asante-backlash-interracial-world-war-ii-1201782138/ (http://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/where-hands-touch-amma-asante-backlash-interracial-world-war-ii-1201782138/)

http://www.vulture.com/2019/01/amandla-stenberg-nazi-love-story-where-hands-touch-what-the-hell-happens.html (http://www.vulture.com/2019/01/amandla-stenberg-nazi-love-story-where-hands-touch-what-the-hell-happens.html)

http://madamenoire.com/1040755/cynthia-erivo-harriet-tubman-controversy/ (http://madamenoire.com/1040755/cynthia-erivo-harriet-tubman-controversy/)

http://www.huffpost.com/entry/harriet-tubman-movie-cynthia-erivo-conversation-black-americans_n_5da4f8a1e4b0058374e7a690 (http://www.huffpost.com/entry/harriet-tubman-movie-cynthia-erivo-conversation-black-americans_n_5da4f8a1e4b0058374e7a690)

http://madamenoire.com/1095434/janelle-monae-popeyes/ (http://madamenoire.com/1095434/janelle-monae-popeyes/)

Our "Harriet" even co-signed this:
“Perhaps we put voting booths at every Popeyes location ?” she wrote on Twitter. “While we wait on that sammich you can register and vote @popeyes holla.”

People who saw her tweet, aside from controversial actress Cynthia Erivo who said it was “not a bad idea,” were pretty annoyed, reminding her that Black voter turnout has made a major impact in recent elections. Black women, specifically, were the highest percentage of voters to turn out to try and keep Donald Trump out of the White House, voting for Hillary Clinton. Not only that, but her comments overlook the reality that voter suppression efforts are still a big issue around the country:


http://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/popeyes-chicken-sandwich-lines-are-not-excuse-replay-stereotypes-about-ncna1046871 (http://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/popeyes-chicken-sandwich-lines-are-not-excuse-replay-stereotypes-about-ncna1046871)

http://thegrio.com/2019/11/06/antonio-moore-on-harriet-black-men-stereotypes/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/11/06/antonio-moore-on-harriet-black-men-stereotypes/)

http://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/straight-black-men-are-the-white-people-of-black-people-1814157214 (http://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/straight-black-men-are-the-white-people-of-black-people-1814157214)

http://madamenoire.com/842761/because-harasser-is-just-not-enough-why-i-consider-calling-black-men-terrorists/ (http://madamenoire.com/842761/because-harasser-is-just-not-enough-why-i-consider-calling-black-men-terrorists/)

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/ (http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy)


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Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 06, 2019, 12:04:49 pm
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

A few things here...

First off, RH, I've been a fan of your movies and I wouldn't be a fan, or as much of a fan, of the Black Panther character, if not for your comic series. But I take some major issues with what you've said here. First off, I find it insulting that you describe (black) people as 'whining' for 'movies like this'. To me, that kind of condescending response is one I've seen from black elites who are frustrated when black folks don't get with their program, of their white elite allies and friends. It's so easy to display frustration with black folks in a way that is never done with other groups. But I digress, who are the people who whined about 'films like these'? First off, there's been a noticeable weariness when it comes to movies about slavery to begin with, so where as the clamor for another slavery film, even one supposedly about Harriet Tubman? Show me the widespread groundswell for it. You said yourself there is an ambivalence about slavery movies already. IMO, people want to see movies where black people are winning, living well, and there was no backlash against Hidden Figures in comparison, even though it took place in the Civil Rights era, which is also a cinematic era that I think black audiences have become numb to, though not as much as slavery, when you consider the success of Hidden Figures, The Butler, The Help, and Green Book (though I would contend here that white people also supported those films).

Second, for 'movies like this' I would assume here you are talking about films that depict our history in positive lights, well the contention here is that this film does not do that. That this film inserts fictional characters into the real life story of Harriet Tubman to push anti-black narratives while also lessening how brutal slavery really was. So how many of these 'whiners' were asking for films that distort our history? If anything, the criticism of this film is consistent with the demand to portray our history more accurately as well as positively.

There are critics of this film who haven't seen Harriet-which is not unusual (you don't have to have seen D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation or Gone With the Wind to criticize those films)-but there's also people who have seen bootlegs and there are scenes online of the film that people are also referring to. One could say that just seeing a scene leaves the criticism open to seeing things out of context, but I see some of these scenes as contradicting people who claim that the black bounty hunter was not a villain and that Harriet didn't get saved by her white slaveowner, both of which clearly happened in this film. And do you also take issue with people who have seen the film and back up the criticism of it?

When it comes to Holocaust films, I would argue that Jews support those films because they control the story/filmmaking process in ways far greater than with Harriet and most other films about 'black history' that come out of Hollywood. Those films reaffirm Jewish humanity and don't stoke gender divides. How many of the Holocaust films have Jewish bounty hunters working in league with the Nazis? How many of those films depict a 'complicated' relationship between Jews and Nazism, or want to show a 'complicated' or complex portrayal of Nazis? How many show how the 'corrupting' influence of Nazism also made villains on both sides? JoJo Rabbit, written and directed by Polynesian Jew Taika Waititi has gotten some criticism from some because they felt he was making light of Nazism, and were those people as wrong as Harriet detractors are to voice their concerns?

Standing up for accurate portrayals of historic icons and our history is dealing with our legacy. The idea of supporting anything with black people in it is avoiding demanding better. There's a thirstiness and deep well of insecurity for many of us that we will take whatever Hollywood gives us because some black folks are on the screen or involved. They know that, so they are content to give the bare minimum. As they are to also minimize the horrors inflicted upon our ancestors, which they've been doing since the dawn of cinema. From what it appears that is still happening with Harriet. If Harriet is the best depiction of black history that Hollywood offers then I'm fine with seeing no films about our history from Hollywood. We shouldn't be expecting Hollywood to accurately tell our stories anyway-especially if we aren't in full control of the process.

When it comes to ADOS, the icons you mentioned have all been gone from us for over half a century now. The idea that we just keep doing what we always did when there's not much proof it still works-if it ever did-makes no sense. Show me where Pan-Africanism works, where are the tangibles today from it? The anti-ADOS crowd also ignores the xenophobia practiced-unfortunately-by some Continental and other Diasporic Africans against Black Americans. It's okay to dump on us, but when we push back, that's not fair. Why should black Americans support a film starring a woman that's said xenophobic things about us? Why should we reward someone who has insulted us, and looks to be doing so again, with Harriet?
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 08, 2019, 12:19:18 pm
I agree substantially with this:
[url]http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/[/url] ([url]http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/[/url])

I struggle to understand the white savior objection. And I really struggle to understand the casting objection to Ms. Erivo. She got the gig. Either she rocks it or she doesn't. That has to do with her skills, not her parentage. I thought she did well.

All in all, I say see it. Seeing a vibrant Harriet Tubman, a contender for the black history Mt. Rushmore, as a dynamic young women doing the damn thing is a good look for me. It seems to me that she's often portrayed as a grim, monosyllabic one-note character based on mostly projections around the one famous photo or her later in life, I guess.


Was Erivo's Harriet rescued by her slaveowner from Bigger Long or not? She was saved by him. That's a savior. He might not have appeared from on high like Brad Pitt in 12 Years a Slave, and the Harriet slaveowner had his own ulterior motives from what I've read, but he did prevent Bigger Long from putting a fatal bullet in Erivo's Harriet. As for the "Nazi" stuff I take issue with this description because it plays right into the thinking that led to Harriet. That our suffering, our pain isn't enough, it's not worthy enough to empathize with or sympathize for unlike Jews or other whites who have endured something, even if it's made up (think of how many sci-fi movies make white people/white characters the oppressed). From what I've heard Erivo's Harriet "deals" with the slaver with a speech.


Ok, here's where I get off this ride.

I'm not disputing or endorsing any of this discussion; I'm just not interested.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 09, 2019, 01:27:46 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu49JyQyCiw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu49JyQyCiw)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 10, 2019, 06:21:54 am
http://thegrio.com/2019/11/08/opinion-dont-believe-the-hype-real-black-men-do-stand-up-in-harriet/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/11/08/opinion-dont-believe-the-hype-real-black-men-do-stand-up-in-harriet/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 10, 2019, 12:14:34 pm
[url]http://thegrio.com/2019/11/08/opinion-dont-believe-the-hype-real-black-men-do-stand-up-in-harriet/[/url] ([url]http://thegrio.com/2019/11/08/opinion-dont-believe-the-hype-real-black-men-do-stand-up-in-harriet/[/url])


Kudos for posting this EJ. You have shown yourself as someone open to input and evidence throughout your HEF membership. If/when you see the movie, I'd be happy to engage in some dialogue on it.

I'm in substantial agreement with that review from The Grio, FWIW.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: stanleyballard on November 10, 2019, 02:36:59 pm
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Well with all due respect - disagree with your points here.

Saw the film and speak from experience on it and others who researched Harriet Tubman deeper than I like Dr. Claude Anderson - another true mentor and hero who wrote “Black Labor, White Wealth” and more has similar negative things to say about this horrible film.  Harriet Tubman herself would not be happy with this mockery of her life - with good reasons.

Furthermore, Samuel Jackson  -possibly the most successful Black actor here in America stated publicly that ADOS or Black Americans should have played the lead in Get Out and other films because we bring a nuance and skill to our history here that other so called Blacks cannot understand or embody - we are not all one tribe or nation.  Hard facts.  Malcolm X understood ADOS before this era and Harriet risked her life for us specifically to be free - we still don’t know we are often house slaves.

Honestly this movie insulted any so called Black who is politically conscious or has read the authorized biography of Harriet Tubman.  It is propaganda and given the fact that so called Blacks in Nigeria and Ghana sold us to Caucasians and also owe us raparations.  Really  not surprised that house slaves made this shameful mockery of a movie.  No passes here.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 12, 2019, 05:46:43 am
http://variety.com/2019/film/news/harriet-movie-20-bill-kasi-lemmons-1203400681/ (http://variety.com/2019/film/news/harriet-movie-20-bill-kasi-lemmons-1203400681/)

http://thegrio.com/2019/11/05/melissa-murray-byron-allen-supreme-court/ (http://thegrio.com/2019/11/05/melissa-murray-byron-allen-supreme-court/)

http://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/comcast-s-supreme-court-battle-byron-allen-may-make-racial-ncna1080956 (http://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/comcast-s-supreme-court-battle-byron-allen-may-make-racial-ncna1080956)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 17, 2019, 08:29:30 am
http://medium.com/@alethas3019/people-of-color-have-shoehorned-in-on-ados-civil-rights-35dd334ddda3 (http://medium.com/@alethas3019/people-of-color-have-shoehorned-in-on-ados-civil-rights-35dd334ddda3)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 18, 2019, 10:25:28 am
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kareem-abdul-jabbar-are-harriet-slavery-films-good-african-americans-1255662 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kareem-abdul-jabbar-are-harriet-slavery-films-good-african-americans-1255662)

http://ew.com/movies/2019/11/19/julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-studio-exec-suggestion/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_content=link&utm_medium=social&utm_term=3D2681D0-0B3F-11EA-9C56-41904744363C (http://ew.com/movies/2019/11/19/julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-studio-exec-suggestion/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_content=link&utm_medium=social&utm_term=3D2681D0-0B3F-11EA-9C56-41904744363C)

http://variety.com/2019/biz/columns/byron-allen-discrimination-suit-comcast-1203409887/ (http://variety.com/2019/biz/columns/byron-allen-discrimination-suit-comcast-1203409887/)

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amc-fires-three-employees-over-194651603.html?.tsrc=fauxdal (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amc-fires-three-employees-over-194651603.html?.tsrc=fauxdal)

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/harriet/ (http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/harriet/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 25, 2019, 11:20:11 am
[url]http://thegrio.com/2019/11/08/opinion-dont-believe-the-hype-real-black-men-do-stand-up-in-harriet/[/url] ([url]http://thegrio.com/2019/11/08/opinion-dont-believe-the-hype-real-black-men-do-stand-up-in-harriet/[/url])


Kudos for posting this EJ. You have shown yourself as someone open to input and evidence throughout your HEF membership. If/when you see the movie, I'd be happy to engage in some dialogue on it.

I'm in substantial agreement with that review from The Grio, FWIW.


Thanks Curtis,

I would've sent his reply earlier, though I've had issues typing on my computer, ergo I'm just posting stuff for the most part now until I take care of that the computer issue. I tried to present various sides of the issue revolving around the Harriet Tubman film and the ADOS movement in this thread, and I appreciate that you see that. I have to tell you though that I have no intentions of seeing this film.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: JRCarter on November 25, 2019, 02:08:54 pm

[url]http://ew.com/movies/2019/11/19/julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-studio-exec-suggestion/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_content=link&utm_medium=social&utm_term=3D2681D0-0B3F-11EA-9C56-41904744363C[/url] ([url]http://ew.com/movies/2019/11/19/julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-studio-exec-suggestion/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_content=link&utm_medium=social&utm_term=3D2681D0-0B3F-11EA-9C56-41904744363C[/url])


I'm still dumbfounded by this.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 27, 2019, 03:40:45 pm
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/viola-davis-calls-idea-julia-170328735.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/viola-davis-calls-idea-julia-170328735.html)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: stanleyballard on November 28, 2019, 09:29:00 am
Honestly no other group or race would allow a miscarriage of justice that is this propaganda filled Harriet film.  Kassi Lemmons should be ashamed to whitewash the horror of chattel slavery in any way and it’s inexcusable when she directly belittles the heroic Harriet Tubman with her co signage on this project. 

All to appease Comcast who financed this mess?  They are actually seeking to destroy the legacy of Harriet Tubman by lessening the original Civil Rights Act of 1866 - how ironic.

So her producer openly stated recently she didn’t want to make a slave movie or show the truth about how violent and terrifying it truly was - then why do a movie about Harriet Tubman- a true warrior?????

https://youtu.be/aHTW8GlaGCg
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 28, 2019, 11:05:57 am
Honestly no other group or race would allow a miscarriage of justice that is this propaganda filled Harriet film.  Kassi Lemmons should be ashamed to whitewash the horror of chattel slavery in any way and it’s inexcusable when she directly belittles the heroic Harriet Tubman with her co signage on this project. 

All to appease Comcast who financed this mess?  They are actually seeking to destroy the legacy of Harriet Tubman by lessening the original Civil Rights Act of 1866 - how ironic.

So her producer openly stated recently she didn’t want to make a slave movie or show the truth about how violent and terrifying it truly was - then why do a movie about Harriet Tubman- a true warrior?????

https://youtu.be/aHTW8GlaGCg

Exactly. Though I think they are willing to sell out Harriet Tubman for more than just the Comcast deal. This is plucking Tubman from race and slavery to remake her into a acceptable feminist/intersectional symbol. History is being rewrote to fit the vogue intersectional narrative. I call Erivo's character Theirriet, because she's not the real Harriet.
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on November 30, 2019, 04:46:47 am
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harriet-writer-director-kasi-lemmons-cynthia-erivo-casting-1257386 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harriet-writer-director-kasi-lemmons-cynthia-erivo-casting-1257386)

http://variety.com/2019/scene/news/harriet-director-julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-1203422384/ (http://variety.com/2019/scene/news/harriet-director-julia-roberts-harriet-tubman-1203422384/)
Title: Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
Post by: Emperorjones on December 11, 2019, 04:53:56 am
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cynthia-erivo-feels-apos-truly-182240265.html (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cynthia-erivo-feels-apos-truly-182240265.html)