I'm happy to see writers acknowledging LCFO and Kwame Ture, while so many were incorrectly crediting Marvel with influencing The Black Panther Party. The only time I respond to it is on here because I know you brothers are serious about your fandom.
A shortened version of the symbol's American origin: 1Clark College emblem-2Kwame Ture-3Huey P. Newton/Bobby Seale.
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Here's some additional info-
December 1965: Lowndes County Freedom Organization
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Black voters in Lowndes County, Alabama, using a provision in state law, form an independent political party: the Lowndes County Freedom Organization (also known as the Black Panther Party). The party fields a slate of 7 candidates for county offices in the November 1966 general election.
Until 1965, not one black person was registered to vote in Lowndes, though blacks made up 80% of the county's population. By October 1965 -- following a series of voter registration drives and the enactment of the Voting Rights Act in August -- nearly half the black population had registered to vote.
-- Image from LCFO pamphlet: @
-- Note: The LCFO based its symbol on the Panther mascot of Clark College in Atlanta, Georgia. In turn, the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (formed in October 1966), took its name and symbol from the LCFO.
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[url]https://zinnedproject.org/materials/lowndes-county-and-the-voting-rights-act/[/url] ([url]https://zinnedproject.org/materials/lowndes-county-and-the-voting-rights-act/[/url])
From Kwame Ture-
The 1965 Voting Rights Act passed in the wake of Selma dramatically began to boost the number of black registered voters. And a unique Alabama law encouraged creation of county-level political parties. The law stipulated you had to have a symbol because of the high rate of illiteracy, recalls Kwame. Well, the Democratic Party symbol was a white rooster, the white cock party we used to call it. A panther became the new party’s symbol...almost accidentally.
Courtland [Cox] came to Atlanta and asked me to design a business card with an emblem for the party, recalls Ruth Howard Chambers. I came up with a dove. Nobody thought that worked and someone said I should look at the Clark College emblem. It was a panther and that’s where the panther came from. Somebody up there traced it on a piece of paper for me. In Lowndes County that pouncing black panther gave instant visibility to the newly-formed Lowndes County Freedom Organization as the Black Panther Party. The new party’s slogan: Power for black people.
Almost immediately, the black panther leapt out of the state. When a volunteer from Oakland, California working in Lowndes county returned home, Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale asked for permission to use the emblem for the Black Panther Party they had decided to form.
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Unlike most “-gate” scandals, there wasn’t one thing that kicked off Comicsgate, a name attached organically and has trended throughout 2017. Unlike its ancestor Gamergate, the demands by Comicsgate are unclear. Sure, Gamergate began when a guy got mad at his ex, but it at least pretended to aspire to something bigger in its call for “ethics in gamming journalism.” Comicsgate, meanwhile, seems to just want less diversity, both in characters and creators, in an attempt to save comics and keep the medium white, male, and familiar. That’s it.
I remember hearing comments like this before the movie even came out. I even attended an after movie discussion at which the confusion to express one's opinion on how exploitative the Marvel company was in producing the Black Panther that it bordered on insanity. Fortunately for every one of those there were literally thousands singing its praises and millions that were uplifted.
This also reminds me of some of the flack Beyonce is getting from certain quarters on her visual album Black is King. At times there appears to be some anti Afrakan sentiment behind those kinds of criticisms.
I feel you on being caught between the extremes Emperorjones.
Look I lived thru the 80's and pretty much every film back then didn't hide its pro imperialistic message.
Just look at Stallone's body of work. Hell even the Star Wars prequels were supposed to be an anti Bush allegory, but peeps were so unhappy with the movies that they didn't care what Lucas was trying to say about the Bush Administration they were just wondering what he was trying to say about the Jedi ( which is par for the course).
All movies ( and all art period ) are political but it's only an issue when the viewer doesn't like the message.
Anyone remember hom much mileage Marvel and DC got our of their very special "Drugs are Bad" issues back in the day?
Everyone does message stuff.
For anyone claiming Black Panther's message is somehow problematic while ignoring that the Iron Man and Batman films posit that it would be best to allow the driven rich guys run everything is simply hypocritical. And racist on its face, imo.
For some time I ignored or gave a cursory once over to articles I thought were unnecessarily deriding the Black Panther movie but now... well into the era of BP dominance, it might be fun to take a look see with my fellow BP enthusiasts.
15 reasons why Black Panther is a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie
Black Panther was greatly hyped as a ground breaking action movie that redefined the representation of black people in Hollywood. Yet perhaps it’s time for some thorough analysis and criticism. There's a whole list of reasons why Black Panther doesn't really challenge the norms and instead amplifies prejudices and stereotypes. Even more so: its underlying message is, in many ways, quite problematic.
By Jonas Slaats
A couple of weeks after the great hype had toned down, I finally went to see Black Panther. Intrigued as I was about the grand way in which the movie was hailed as some sort of liberation theology for black people, I refused to read any reviews and let the movie speak for itself. Could it really live up to the proposed breach of ‘Hollywood whiteness’? Was it truly such a “dope-ass black movie” as anti-racist television personality Trevor Noah made it seem to be in his Daily Show? Or was it yet another bizarre twist of consumer culture that lured people into thinking this was a norm changing movie even though it actually offered an overdose of those norms?
As it turned out, the latter was the case. With every minute of movie, my sense of disbelief became greater and finally ended in the certainty that this was a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie.
Surfing around on the net afterwards, I quickly realized I wasn’t alone. For example, an article by Kenian political cartoonist Patrick Gathara on the website of the Washington Post, offered some very relevant, thorough arguments. It described how “at heart, it is a movie about a divided, tribalized continent, discovered by a white man who wants nothing more than to take its mineral resources, a continent run by a wealthy, power-hungry, feuding and feudalist elite, where a nation with the most advanced tech and weapons in the world nonetheless has no thinkers to develop systems of transitioning rulership that do not involve lethal combat or coup d’etat.”
Gathara goes on to explain how Black Panther, with a typical Victorian slant, portrays Africans as primitive yet in harmony with
nature, not faced by the complexities of modernity; how the Wakandans technological advancement, apparently still doesn’t make them sophisticated enough to prevent a single American from overtaking the country; and how it thus eventually tells a neocolonial story about somewhat childish people who need a strong guiding hand to lead them.
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As such, it’s painful to see how blinding a shiny neoliberal story about ‘triumphing blackness’ can be. Give people some feel-good popcorn and any critical analysis, seems to be thrown into the trashcan faster than anyone can even gobble up the Kool-Aid. So, to strengthen the case of an alternative view, I simply would like to add the following list of 15 reasons why Black Panther is rather problematic.
First, the obvious things…
1. The bluntly racist images: Not only does the movie end with African tribes fighting each other with spears, clubs and machetes but the men of the ‘strong tribe’ in Wakanda dress like monkeys and literally make oo-oo-oo sounds. Sure, the latter might perhaps be part of the original comics as well, but that doesn’t imply one is obliged to transfer the exact same imagery to the movie. If someone were to make a movie of Tintin in Africa and used the same old imagery ‘because the comic portrayed Africans in that way’, we’d all take offence and rightfully so because the images from that comic book are now considered to be racist. In a very similar manner the portrayal of M’Baku in the original Black Panther comics has also been problematic from the start.
2. The duality of ‘good blacks’ vs. ‘bad blacks’: The good guys are authentic, pristine Africans, who still live in harmony with nature. The bad guy is your typical ‘black boy from the hood’. As such, tapping deep into the typical colonial imagery of the ‘unspoiled primitive’ the ‘good’ black is the romanticized and completely idealized black. The ‘bad black’, on the other hand, is simply the contemporary and ‘real life’ black American.
3. The comparisons with the Lion King: The narrative similarities with the Lion King are painfully obvious: the king of the pristine and glorious land, is betrayed by his Uncle/Nephew, after which the new king is banished, yet he returns and with the help of his lioness(es) and warrior monkey(s), he’s saved. It only lacked a remix of the song The Circle of Life to make the message complete: Africa = savanna.
4. The crude portrayal of voodoo and its importance for the story: What makes Black Panther so strong is not his skill or his brains. (In fact, when ‘simply human’ he loses the fight quite often.) Rather, what makes him strong is some sort of voodoo trick involving plants, shamanism and a drug which makes your veins literally black as if you’re possessed by a Demon — which eventually the Black Panther is, since you can just as well ‘exorcise’ him with some counter-voodoo. And of course, the viewer won’t find any references to deeper philosophy, mythology or theology of genuine Ifá. No, the viewer only gets to see the crudest archetypical Hollywood portrayal of voodoo-as-black-magic.
Then, the somewhat more hidden stuff
5. The strange message of the futuristic element: There is no need to attack the genuine cultural phenomenon of afrofuturism at large, but what I found at least a bit bizarre from the start of the Black Panther hype was the craze for the fact that finally there was a movie about blacks who were technologically advanced. When the whole movie is about a mysterious country that pretends to be poor and outwardly projects a typical image of a third world country while underneath its surface lies some incredibly advanced technology, the eventual message simply seems to be this: “See, underneath every seemingly primitive African hides a (possible) modern Westerner!”
6. The contrasting morality of blacks and whites: All black protagonists are morally ambivalent. King T’Chaka, is a good king and father but hides his mistake, general Okoye is very loyal but because of her loyalty goes through a conflict of conscience when Killmonger takes over, the border guard W’Kabi is strong and adamant, but eventually chooses to follow Killmonger when the latter comes to power, king T’Challa has a good and wise heart but has many doubts throughout the movie. Even N’Jobu, who betrayed king T’Chaka, only did so because he was genuinely aggrieved by the plight of African Americans. The same is true for his son: he’s power hungry and aggressive yet also hides a deep love for his father and upholds a sincere wish to free ‘his people’. The only non-ambivalent characters are the two whites. Ulysses is pure evil and Everett is pure goodness. Concerning the latter, even though he’s a CIA agent, his motives are never questioned, his past is irrelevant and his dominant personality trait is one of ‘cute naive innocence’. He not only selflessly saves a life half way through the movie, but in the end also saves the world (since he stops the war planes from reaching their destination).
The only non-ambivalent characters are the two whites.
7. The seemingly subversive but eventually not so impressive flips of gender roles: In Wakanda, women are seemingly strong. But eventually there’s no question whatsoever that the men are the kings and the women (even when they’re fierce warriors or genius scientific whizz-kids) are on a constant lookout for a man who can help them. As such, general Okoye still needs the guidance of a righteous leader and princess Shuri needs someone to fly her plane. The only ones taking matters truly into their own hands (i.e. without following orders or loyalties) are men.
8. The role of vibranium (and how it’s the only thing that makes Wakanda ‘advanced’): When Wakanda is an advanced technological country, it’s not because of their inherent intelligence or their approach to society. It’s a ‘coincidence’ and has everything to do with a special resource: vibranium. (It’s also taken for granted they do not wish to share this resource with the rest of the world and that as such it will not only lead to technological advancement but also to conflict.)
9. The convoluted relation between tradition and power: In Wakanda, the traditions of old are seemingly revered as holy. But when the King loses in a fair fight, all of the sudden, anything goes. He can breach traditions and retake his power simply because he’s ‘the good guy’. So eventually there is no sanctity of tradition at all. It’s simply about power. The colonial undertone should be clear: ‘Africans are stuck in their traditions. They should abandon them, because power is what truly makes the world go round.’ This becomes amply clear in T’Challa’s relation with Killmonger. One of T’Challa’s great grievances is the fact that his father left a Wakandan kid behind in ‘the hood’ and did not try to save him from his lot (which, of course, could apparently do nothing but make him aggressive). Yet killing that same kid simply because he’s not likeable when he’s a bit older is seemingly OK — even though Killmonger won the traditional battle fair and square. Though morally completely inconsistent, it does remain very consistent with the already mentioned dichotomy of the ‘good’ (pristine African) blacks and ‘bad’ (hoody) blacks. And of course, the ‘bad’ blacks by definition want to take over the world because they hate whites — so they have to be stopped, no matter what tradition or morality dictates.
The colonial undertone should be clear: ‘Africans are stuck in their traditions. They should abandon them, because power is what truly makes the world go round.’
10. The dominance of the underlying myth of the hero: The most classical structure of probably 99% of all blockbuster Hollywood movies is the classical ‘myth of the hero’. The hero who first felt small but received support from a wise man; the hero who travels and conquers dangers; the hero who confronts his darkest fears in an epic battle for evil; the hero who not only saves himself but also the world. Although it’s a universal story, in modern Western culture it’s so dominant that it seemingly became the only way to tell an exciting story. Just compare, for example, Disney hits with, for example, some Japanese anime hits from studio Gibli. The latter are full of more Buddhist themes and as such often stray from the typical myth of the hero pattern. In various African cultures as well, other mythical patterns and archetypes can be found in the traditional storytelling. However, Black Panther is, from start to finish, the purest form of the hero myth. Even the previous Avenger movies such as The Winter Soldier and Civil War breached the pattern more (having the superheroes fighting each other). Yet in Black Panther there’s no single cultural change or breach of this subconscious hero pattern. As a result, there’s also no trace whatsoever of philosophical concepts like Ubuntu or the morality underlying the well-known South-African truth-commissions. There is only one simple plot: a dualism of good vs. evil and a hero who saves the day because he fights bravely and eventually crushes evil in an antagonistic fight.
11. The Westernization of Wakanda as a result of the hero myth: Eventually the journey of the hero leads to Wakanda becoming a ‘modern state’ like Western states. After the fights have been settled and all is said and done, Wakanda becomes more open (read: less protectionist and thus more neoliberal). It also portrays a tendency to go and ‘save others’ through outreach programs. All in all then, the whole ‘technological advancement’ of Wakanda was nothing but a shallow layer. Eventually the story is still about a ‘not so modern’ country that needs to be ‘modernized’ by a King more in contact with the West.
And finally, the most disconcerting xenophobic and nationalist issues
12. The supremacy of nationalism: Just like any other successful blockbuster, the cinematic tension isn’t simply built on the action and special effects, but also on a couple of moral dilemmas which define the relationships between the protagonists and ignite the dynamics of the story. The first moral dilemma in Black Panther, which surfaces in various forms, is between love for a person and love for a nation. One example is how T’Challa and Nakia apparently can’t marry because of T’Challa’s loyalty to his kingdom and Nakia’s wish to help those outside the country. They only find a solution in T’Challa giving state subsidies to Nakia’s work. A second and even more explicit example is played out between Okoye and W’Kabi. Which of the two types of love should be held high is made most obvious when they confront each other in battle: “You would kill me my love?” W’Kabi asks. Okoye unflinchingly answers: “For Wakanda? Without question.” Hence, nationalism is the main ideology of Wakandans. The nation state is supreme and should receive the highest love of its citizens. Even though the concept of nation states is a product of modern, Western culture, the question is never asked what a traditional Wakandan view of society might be. Nationalist ideals are taken for granted and they’re only threatened when Wakandans fall in love or when they ‘relapse’ into tribalism.
13. The antagonism of state and race: The second moral dilemma which surfaces throughout the movie is between ‘loyalty to the state’ and ‘being the leader of ‘the cause’ — the cause being ‘the effort to save other blacks’. In short: a dilemma between state and race. Apparently Wakanda doesn’t have any other cultural or traditional approach to these matters. The elite of the country hold very similar ideas as white nationalist elites which have a long history of societal dilemmas between ‘protecting their country’ and ‘protecting mankind from barbarians/primitive races/terrorists/…’
The nation state is supreme and should receive the highest love of its citizens. Even though the concept of nation states is a product of modern, Western culture, the question is never asked what a traditional Wakandan view of society might be. Nationalist ideals are taken for granted and they’re only threatened when Wakandans fall in love or when they ‘relapse’ into tribalism.
14. The projection of typical white xenophobic fears: Following from the two previous moral dilemmas, the typical xenophobia of Western whites has been fully projected onto blacks. The Wakandan elites don’t want to open the borders of their country for refugees because they want to preserve the ‘purity’ of their pristine country and culture. It even instituted Frontex and USBP style border patrols. There actually aren’t many blockbuster movies where such a contemporary form of xenophobia (rampant in Europe and the US) is so explicitly, consistently and straightforwardly portrayed. Yet once it does take center stage and becomes a central part of the critique within an action movie aimed at a broad public, apparently it’s something black people are culpable of. (Also interesting in this respect: in all their fear to preserve their ‘pristine’ Wakandan nature and culture, apparently their technological advancements are of no concern whatsoever. For some magical reason, their technology simply doesn’t seem to have any impact on their nature or culture. I guess vibranium is by definition ‘clean vibranium’ — just like Tump’s mythical concept of ‘clean coal’.)
15. The blackwashed white savior complex: When a solution for the dilemmas of ‘personal relations’ vs. ‘state loyalty’ and ‘race’ vs. ‘state’ is eventually found, that solution exists in ‘outreach’. Why not truly open Wakanda, bring in all the refugees and show that another society is possible? Why not start sharing knowledge and technology with other African countries to make them economically stronger and thus break the true strength of the former colonialists and current neocolonialists? No, the only option is to act exactly like the (neo)colonizer: take pity with a group of downtrodden people in a faraway country, collect some money ‘for the poor’ and then missionize, patronize and civilize. As such, the outreach programs are also by definition oriented on blacks who are in need of help (the ‘bad blacks from the hood’ who need to be turned into ‘good blacks’), even though Wakanda could just as well start outreach programs among whites, for example, to decolonize their minds.
So, to conclude
Sure, representation in Hollywood matters. Sure, we need more black heroes. Sure, we need more strong female characters. But in the end, Black Panther is nothing but a racist, colonial, xenophobic movie. It’s a distinctly Western technology worshipping myth of the hero. It’s blackwashed white nationalism.
So now the hype has gone, perhaps it’s time for some thorough analysis and criticism. No, we shouldn’t applaud this type of movie because it has some cool black women warriors and a shiny afrofuturist Panther King. Quite the contrary, we should strongly resist such neoliberal efforts to commodify, commercialize and privatize the anti-racist struggle.
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This is who fans want to replace Chadwick Boseman as the Black Panther
By Chris Smith
One of the obvious choices would be to recast a different actor as T’Challa/Black Panther. But it’s unlikely that fans would appreciate such a move. It would also be incredibly difficult for a different actor to accept the role. Boseman is T’Challa, and his Black Panther should be honored by not giving the part to a different actor, even if Boseman’s passing causes issues for Marvel’s plans.
full article
https://bgr.com/2020/09/13/marvel-movies-black-panther-2-chadwick-boseman-replacement-options/
What Should Come Next for Black Panther after Loss of Boseman
Reuters news agency reported this story. Alice Bryant
Writers, professors and activists spoke to Reuters news agency about the cultural importance of the movie and Boseman’s performance. Some said Marvel should honor Boseman by retiring the character of T’Challa and choosing another character to name as Black Panther.
full article
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/what-should-come-next-for-black-panther-after-loss-of-boseman/5575842.html
Disney Has Reportedly Decided On How To Proceed With Black Panther 2
By Scott Campbell
According to our intel, the plan at the moment is for T’Challa to be written out of Black Panther 2 before the story starts as he’ll apparently die off-screen. Shuri will then assume the mantle and become Wakanda’s new protector on a permanent basis.
full article
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-reportedly-decided-proceed-black-panther-2/
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IS THIS WHAT FANS REALLY WANT?!?
Not being disrespectful to Chadwick because he gave us a great T'Challa but the role has to be recast. I don't expect anyone who takes the role to be the same as Chad but they shouldn't be afraid of it either. If anything they should be inspired by what Chadwick has done. We're all feeling some kind of way now and some want to put T'Challa on the shelf. I can't speak for Chad but does anyone honestly think that he would want a character as powerful and inspirational as T'Challa just put aside?That just doesn't seem right.
If anything we need T'Challa to inspire more young black kids to be heroes. Just because we have Shuri doesn't mean we need to lose T'Challa.
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Yea I disagree. These are characters, immortal concepts and representations of things and ideas that actors bring to life. It's not easy or fun but replacing a character in the an ongoing continuity isn't nearly as much of an issue if the actor and script are up to par, at least for me.
Like I said, this is a golden age of comic adaptations. T'Challa deserves to be at the forefront of this cultural zeitgeist before he gets phased out for Shuri or Kaspar Cole. Anything other than that is a missed opportunity with potential consequences in other mediums.
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I'll say this about recasting T'Challa in the MCU...I personally think Disney SHOULD recast T'Challa. Because so far, he already "died" in his solo movie, then was "resurrected" later in the movie and reclaimed his kingdom, THEN died FOR REAL when he got snapped by Thanos in Infinity War, then got resurrected FOR REAL when he came back through the portal in End Game, thus regaining his kingdom. It would look extremely foolish for Disney to now kill the character off YET AGAIN and thereby have him lose his kingdom YET AGAIN. How many times are they going to kill this black man?
Also, if Disney does not recast T'Challa, then they would be setting up a dangerous precedence, because God forbid, what if other actors and actresses portraying major characters in the MCU pass away? Are they not going to recast those characters and kill those characters off as well, especially if those characters' story arcs aren't complete? If they do, it would look odd. If they don't recast T'Challa, but recast those other major characters, it would also look odd.
In addition, T'Challa himself in the MCU was/is a major inspiration to a lot of people because of the Black Panther movie, and I don't feel as though you permanently kill off a character like that, knowing how important he is to a lot of people, especially kids.
I also think it's odd that some people on certain sites can't fathom having T'Challa be portrayed by anyone other than Chadwick Boseman. It's definitely sad that Chadwick has transitioned, but to act as though no other black man can ever portray T'Challa because that actor might not be as good at it as Chadwick was, is baffling to me. Because now we're talking about denying other black actors the opportunity to portray T'Challa, who is such an iconic character.
That's almost like saying, "Well, I loved the way this particular writer wrote Black Panther in his solo series, but since the writer passed away, I really can't see anyone else writing T'Challa as well as HE did, therefore, I don't think anyone else should write T'Challa in his own solo book, because the writing of T'Challa might not be as good. So let's replace T'Challa in his own book with Shuri, or another character!"
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If they don't recast MCU Panther, my Black Panther fandom may die with Chadwick.
BP's comics suck. He isn't in the limited Marvel video games yet and if he isn't int he movies anymore, they will stop even having him in DLC stuff. They will have the replacement.
I guess there might be a new cartoon eventually but there is nothing on the horizon. And even if there is a cartoon, they may just decide to use the replacement. Because they makes perfect business sense and I wouldn't blame them.
I would have nothing to look forward too in regards to BP fandom.
So basically, I would have my trades, one movie, EMH and Pantherjack, and some cameo movies. Id just be an old head talking abot the good ol days aka what... 2 whole ass years lol?
MCU Black Panther Franchise without T'challa isn't my thing. I saw T'chaka get blown up. So T'challa get stabbed and thrown off a water fall, say T'challa get disintegrated, and then I gotta sit through another movie about someone else taking the mantle because T'challa died again? Yeah no thanks.
If MCU Shuri was like comic shuri it would be easier to stomach but sh*t... MCU shuri ain't about that life so they would have to retool a character they already retooled just to make it fit. And then we get ANOTHER "live up to my dead relative" story. Joy. Can't wait. Maybe they can have Wakandan's fight over it in the movie too! because that would be exciting again!
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My Two Cents: Killing off T'Challa is a short-sighted idea and would be a mistake on a number of levels, many of which are represented in MoneySpider's quote above. Absolutely loved Chadwick and am still grieving his loss. However, T'Challa could and should be bigger. He should continue to thrill and inspire our youth while providing a shining example of Black strength and excellence! This is needed and should not be dismissed. There are many more T'Challa stories to tell and more Black artists to convey them, Aldis Hodge and Jonathan Majors come to mind. Not as replacements for Chadwick, but successors. I love Letitia and Shuri and would love to see the character further explored, pursuing her own stories. In over 50 years, I've consumed a ton of stories featuring a plethora of heroes. Precious few have looked like me. Our kids have it better in this regard thanks to T'Challa and Luke Cage and Black Lightning. I had Flash Gordon, Batman and James Bond. Much as we love the players, it's the characters that allow us to imagine and dream. Now of all times is not the time to take T'Challa away. I truly believe Chadwick would agree.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
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I just feel like cutting T'Challas time short would be a huge mistake all over the guise of being "respectful" and "no one could replace Chadwick" I mean with Spiderman, Batman, James Bond and superman movies, no one is replacing the actor that played the character before them, but rather they are a successor. And the same should be done for Chad. I mean look at what he has said in interviews, no where does it sound like he wanted the character to live and die with him. He wanted to keep inspiring people as the character on obviously, but he wanted the character to continue to grow. Plus I really just have a hard time not seeing Shuri as a Tony Stark type, quippy and fun, but not serious enough for the role of ruler and BP, and if you have a sudden change in personality it can be weird..
And again I am all for Black girl empowerment, it's a great thing, however, it needs to be demanded and pushed in it's own vein with characters who are their own stand alone heroes and not supporting cast members of other heroes trying to take the role fro. The protagonist. That rarely ever works and it's a huge disservice to the franchise to do so. Plus when seeing all these articles popping up about how marvel can tribute T'Challa they are frankly... All about agendas and nothing about honoring Chad. Latest one was killing T'Challa off in a post credit scene and having the person who does it be the next big bad to "have him die heroically whole also setting up how dangerous the next big villain is and setting their arc in motion" and it just reeks of agenda and using T'Challa as some sort of prop for someone else. So for me? I will keep pushing back and supporting a recast so T'Challa can get his fill story told to completion and he gets the respect he deserves and Chad gets the respect for all his hard work that he deserves as well
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I think so too. Losing Chad was a heart breaker no doubt but I think that they have to carry on with T'Challa as BP and do a recast. It would be alot worse to lose both Chad and T'Challa.
marvell2100
I think the bottom line is? They're going to have to recast T'Challa...and do it for the next movie. My entire heart has been riven by the loss of T'Chadwick. I can only approach it with a bit of surrealism, like I know it's real...but not really. Same thing when considering someone like JDW to be his replacement as T'Challa. It...doesn't feel real. Even though I am absolutely certain that T'Chadwick would want us to replace him and indeed knew that even if had beaten colon cancer, T'Chadwick could only play T'Challa for a short period of time in his life. And T'Challa would both be played by younger actors and T'Challa the character would outlive us all.
supreme illuminati
What some real fans are saying...QuoteMy Two Cents: Killing off T'Challa is a short-sighted idea and would be a mistake on a number of levels, many of which are represented in MoneySpider's quote above. Absolutely loved Chadwick and am still grieving his loss. However, T'Challa could and should be bigger. He should continue to thrill and inspire our youth while providing a shining example of Black strength and excellence! This is needed and should not be dismissed. There are many more T'Challa stories to tell and more Black artists to convey them, Aldis Hodge and Jonathan Majors come to mind. Not as replacements for Chadwick, but successors. I love Letitia and Shuri and would love to see the character further explored, pursuing her own stories. In over 50 years, I've consumed a ton of stories featuring a plethora of heroes. Precious few have looked like me. Our kids have it better in this regard thanks to T'Challa and Luke Cage and Black Lightning. I had Flash Gordon, Batman and James Bond. Much as we love the players, it's the characters that allow us to imagine and dream. Now of all times is not the time to take T'Challa away. I truly believe Chadwick would agree.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
MontQuoteI just feel like cutting T'Challas time short would be a huge mistake all over the guise of being "respectful" and "no one could replace Chadwick" I mean with Spiderman, Batman, James Bond and superman movies, no one is replacing the actor that played the character before them, but rather they are a successor. And the same should be done for Chad. I mean look at what he has said in interviews, no where does it sound like he wanted the character to live and die with him. He wanted to keep inspiring people as the character on obviously, but he wanted the character to continue to grow. Plus I really just have a hard time not seeing Shuri as a Tony Stark type, quippy and fun, but not serious enough for the role of ruler and BP, and if you have a sudden change in personality it can be weird..
And again I am all for Black girl empowerment, it's a great thing, however, it needs to be demanded and pushed in it's own vein with characters who are their own stand alone heroes and not supporting cast members of other heroes trying to take the role fro. The protagonist. That rarely ever works and it's a huge disservice to the franchise to do so. Plus when seeing all these articles popping up about how marvel can tribute T'Challa they are frankly... All about agendas and nothing about honoring Chad. Latest one was killing T'Challa off in a post credit scene and having the person who does it be the next big bad to "have him die heroically whole also setting up how dangerous the next big villain is and setting their arc in motion" and it just reeks of agenda and using T'Challa as some sort of prop for someone else. So for me? I will keep pushing back and supporting a recast so T'Challa can get his fill story told to completion and he gets the respect he deserves and Chad gets the respect for all his hard work that he deserves as well
EzyoQuoteI think so too. Losing Chad was a heart breaker no doubt but I think that they have to carry on with T'Challa as BP and do a recast. It would be alot worse to lose both Chad and T'Challa.
marvell2100QuoteI think the bottom line is? They're going to have to recast T'Challa...and do it for the next movie. My entire heart has been riven by the loss of T'Chadwick. I can only approach it with a bit of surrealism, like I know it's real...but not really. Same thing when considering someone like JDW to be his replacement as T'Challa. It...doesn't feel real. Even though I am absolutely certain that T'Chadwick would want us to replace him and indeed knew that even if had beaten colon cancer, T'Chadwick could only play T'Challa for a short period of time in his life. And T'Challa would both be played by younger actors and T'Challa the character would outlive us all.
supreme illuminati
PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!
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RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.
Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!
Quote from: Chesterfield;5164172Then actors need to Man the hell up! It's a job, a job that comes with a huge responsibility which is why it's important to cast the right actor for the role BUT not to kill the character off or replace him! This is an opportunity to contribute to something meaningful. What does it say about black men too afraid to be asked questions and compared to Boseman's portrayal? Cowardice, that's what it says. If that's the case and mind set then we don't deserve another Black Panther movie period. Let black actors stick to their stereotypical comic relief, gangbanger, slave needing a white saviour roles. How many white actors and even black actors have expressed they would love to portray a character like James Bond and this is in the wake of Daniel Craig who has made the role his own despite the initial backlash to his casting? Sorry but yes, it's sad hat Boseman has passed away, he was a great T'Challa but like Shuri herself said, "...it doesn't mean it can't be improved". A potential new actor for T'Challa could explore characteristics that build upon what Boseman started. Taking on the role is a huge undertaking and responsibility and should be approached with such a purpose and not to shy away from it.[/size]
Another voice:QuoteQuote from: Chesterfield;5164172Then actors need to Man the hell up! It's a job, a job that comes with a huge responsibility which is why it's important to cast the right actor for the role BUT not to kill the character off or replace him! This is an opportunity to contribute to something meaningful. What does it say about black men too afraid to be asked questions and compared to Boseman's portrayal? Cowardice, that's what it says. If that's the case and mind set then we don't deserve another Black Panther movie period. Let black actors stick to their stereotypical comic relief, gangbanger, slave needing a white saviour roles. How many white actors and even black actors have expressed they would love to portray a character like James Bond and this is in the wake of Daniel Craig who has made the role his own despite the initial backlash to his casting? Sorry but yes, it's sad hat Boseman has passed away, he was a great T'Challa but like Shuri herself said, "...it doesn't mean it can't be improved". A potential new actor for T'Challa could explore characteristics that build upon what Boseman started. Taking on the role is a huge undertaking and responsibility and should be approached with such a purpose and not to shy away from it.[/size]
NGENDUMISO [ "WITH PRAISE/BRAVO/PRAISE HIM/CHEER FOR HIM" ], CHESTERFIELD!! He needs to come to HEF, forthwith!
Thanks Ture for this thread and for sharing the views of the Black Panther fans.
What some real fans are saying...QuoteMy Two Cents: Killing off T'Challa is a short-sighted idea and would be a mistake on a number of levels, many of which are represented in MoneySpider's quote above. Absolutely loved Chadwick and am still grieving his loss. However, T'Challa could and should be bigger. He should continue to thrill and inspire our youth while providing a shining example of Black strength and excellence! This is needed and should not be dismissed. There are many more T'Challa stories to tell and more Black artists to convey them, Aldis Hodge and Jonathan Majors come to mind. Not as replacements for Chadwick, but successors. I love Letitia and Shuri and would love to see the character further explored, pursuing her own stories. In over 50 years, I've consumed a ton of stories featuring a plethora of heroes. Precious few have looked like me. Our kids have it better in this regard thanks to T'Challa and Luke Cage and Black Lightning. I had Flash Gordon, Batman and James Bond. Much as we love the players, it's the characters that allow us to imagine and dream. Now of all times is not the time to take T'Challa away. I truly believe Chadwick would agree.
My Two Cents.
Peace,
MontQuoteI just feel like cutting T'Challas time short would be a huge mistake all over the guise of being "respectful" and "no one could replace Chadwick" I mean with Spiderman, Batman, James Bond and superman movies, no one is replacing the actor that played the character before them, but rather they are a successor. And the same should be done for Chad. I mean look at what he has said in interviews, no where does it sound like he wanted the character to live and die with him. He wanted to keep inspiring people as the character on obviously, but he wanted the character to continue to grow. Plus I really just have a hard time not seeing Shuri as a Tony Stark type, quippy and fun, but not serious enough for the role of ruler and BP, and if you have a sudden change in personality it can be weird..
And again I am all for Black girl empowerment, it's a great thing, however, it needs to be demanded and pushed in it's own vein with characters who are their own stand alone heroes and not supporting cast members of other heroes trying to take the role fro. The protagonist. That rarely ever works and it's a huge disservice to the franchise to do so. Plus when seeing all these articles popping up about how marvel can tribute T'Challa they are frankly... All about agendas and nothing about honoring Chad. Latest one was killing T'Challa off in a post credit scene and having the person who does it be the next big bad to "have him die heroically whole also setting up how dangerous the next big villain is and setting their arc in motion" and it just reeks of agenda and using T'Challa as some sort of prop for someone else. So for me? I will keep pushing back and supporting a recast so T'Challa can get his fill story told to completion and he gets the respect he deserves and Chad gets the respect for all his hard work that he deserves as well
EzyoQuoteI think so too. Losing Chad was a heart breaker no doubt but I think that they have to carry on with T'Challa as BP and do a recast. It would be alot worse to lose both Chad and T'Challa.
marvell2100QuoteI think the bottom line is? They're going to have to recast T'Challa...and do it for the next movie. My entire heart has been riven by the loss of T'Chadwick. I can only approach it with a bit of surrealism, like I know it's real...but not really. Same thing when considering someone like JDW to be his replacement as T'Challa. It...doesn't feel real. Even though I am absolutely certain that T'Chadwick would want us to replace him and indeed knew that even if had beaten colon cancer, T'Chadwick could only play T'Challa for a short period of time in his life. And T'Challa would both be played by younger actors and T'Challa the character would outlive us all.
supreme illuminati
PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!
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RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.
Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!
Brother Ture? I can't thank you enough for your tireless, peerless excellence.
Then what's the point of a Black Panther movie? T'Challa IS the story. I dont care how many people want to go on about Shuri this or M'Baku that; they're not it T'challa is. If people want to see Wakanda without T'Challa then they can go and petition for a D+ show or whatever.
I can't take Thor seriously. He's become somewhat of a joke since EG. Sure, he had his comedic moments from the start but that whole hippy fat thing...nah. They can do whatever they like with Thor, he's become somewhat inconsequential to me BUT T'Challa is a very different case. I do care and the character and his world need to be given the appropriate respect, care and treatment and that means ensuring T'Challa is at the forefront. But like you said, Marvel will tell whatever story they want and if there's no T'Challa; I'm 100% out.
CBR's Chesterfield
The problem with this thst it's not being devetin the BP Solo, by a writer whos sole purpose for exploring this is to expand T'Challas world and enrich and elevate HIM. These other book's aren't doing this to enrich T'Challa bit to tell their own stories and push plot, continuity be damned, especially mauraders, so no, explore it on the BP solo, not avenger's or ESPECIALLY, an x book
The problem with this thst it's not being devetin the BP Solo, by a writer whos sole purpose for exploring this is to expand T'Challas world and enrich and elevate HIM. These other book's aren't doing this to enrich T'Challa bit to tell their own stories and push plot, continuity be damned, especially mauraders, so no, explore it on the BP solo, not avenger's or ESPECIALLY, an x book
Well, he's a black dude, so no worry about him getting any major/lasting shine in an X-Book.
Ture,
Looking over the thread, and I saw you define real fans as those who back recasting T'Challa. Though I do not have the depth of knowledge that you, Supreme, and many others here do when it comes to Black Panther, I also don't think people who have differing views, about whether to recast or promote Shuri or another character as the next BP are necessarily not real fans of BP or are pushing an anti-black male agenda either. Some of them I think are, but I wouldn't just assume that of everyone, myself included here.
SOMEHOW I MISSED THIS?!?
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Exiles (2018) #7
Published:
August 29, 2018
Writer:
Saladin Ahmed
Penciler:
Rod Reis, Lee M. Ferguson
Cover Artist:
Mike Mckone
Blink’s original time-traveling companions make an appearance, including fan-favorites Sabretooth, Morph and Nocturne! And they’re just in time for a showdown with the gunslinging Brotherhood of Evil Mutants! But what does that mean for Blink and her NEW family of Exiles? And the Exiles aren’t the only familiar faces in town. They call him “King,” and you do not want to find yourself in his Vibranium crosshairs. Who is the Black Panther of the Wild West – and what does he want with the Exiles?!
is that okay for the artist to draw T'Challa that way? He looks A LOT like Chadwick. I know marvel got in trouble for making ultimate universe fury look alot like Samuel Jackson
I only saw him in one panel, but it seemed more like an drawing error. Lol
I guess Steve is officially the leader after Age of Kushu.
I only saw him in one panel, but it seemed more like an drawing error. Lol
I guess Steve is officially the leader after Age of Kushu.
Is he? It's not very clear. In the images above Maybe T'Challa was in Wakanda which is why it appears Steve is in charge. I am hoping that T'Challa only out Steve in charge again because he knew he was going to be captured so he was just planning ahead and Steve is fully going to relinquish control now that he's back
I'd want someone down the line to do a Priest twist and reveal that he excepted the role as leader to prevent potential early threats to WK and keep world govts at mild tension levels with each other so they don't unite to threaten WK one day. And I'd keep the statement Zub made in panel that he picked those Agents of WK because they're expendable. Without trying to lighten it at the end if the story like he did.
ANYONE READ THIS YET?
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The Black Panther has a terrible secret. T'Challa strives for excellence—to be a fair and worthy king, a global citizen, an Avenger. But when an army of undead threatens Wakanda, The Black Panther turns to his long-lost father in the fight against his most lethal opponent yet—the demons of his past. Narrated by William Jackson Harper. Written by Ira Madison III, Mohale Mashigo, Geoffrey Thorne, Tananarive Due, and Steven Barnes. Art by Khary Randolph.
The free preview I read was well written. I'm thinking about getting it as a Kwanzaa gift.
KIB is going to burn the house down.
Everyone here will be well-pleased.
Just saw the final art.
FIRE, baby. FIRE.
KIB is going to burn the house down.
Everyone here will be well-pleased.
Just saw the final art.
FIRE, baby. FIRE.
Now that's sounds like someone who wants to write the Black Panther. Can't wait to see the previews.
Just looking over the previews we got for BLACK PANTHER - King in Black. That first page is gorgeous as it is powerful. The purple light in the distance followed by the next frame of something flying at high speeds then the third frames shows a very determined dare I say very pissed off T'Challa the Black Panther. Pissed off at having to help save the world while Wakanda needs his leadership into war.
I also like the way the page shows Storm's power as well as the expression on her face as the shadow of a giant hand descends upon her. Fear not the Black Panther will let no harm befall his queen. I imagine this scene occurring in the beginning of the book. Germán Peralta and Jesus Aburtov really came off well with this page.
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Especially so for me as I never liked Stelfreeze's ship design. It looked way too fragile to me to be useful in type of military engagement but as a jet pack on the Black Panther the design looks formidable.
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The second page comes off to me as T'Challa the Black Panther returning home and witnessing those Wakandans who live in the suburbs outside the Golden City engage in combat. Here we see the point I was making about Stelfreeze's airships just looking impotent. I don't think this is the Wakandan military, more like its Boarder Patrol. The symbiote attackers haven't reached the city in the distance as far I can tell. I expect on the way there and maybe in the city itself, is where we will witness the full firepower of the Wakandan war machine.
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The third page is the Black Panther dropping in to lend a lethal hand. I can appreciate the continuity of using Stelfreeze's designs for the soldiers but again they look more like they would better function as personal security rather military fighters.
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Wakandan blood has been spilled and an accounting is due. The Black Panther performs his patented power blast landing. What would be cool if the jet pack morphed back into the panther habit. Now I do love Stelfreeze's exposed vibranium tech seen whenever T'Challa executes a punch, kick, block or energy discharge.
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I'm looking forward to BLACK PANTHER - King in Black, as there should be much to discuss.
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Marvel Comics Exclusive Preview: KING IN BLACK: BLACK PANTHER #1
By Anthony Composto
February 4, 2021
KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #1 hits your local comic book store February 10th, but thanks to Marvel Comics, Monkeys Fighting Robots has an exclusive four-page preview for you.
About the issue:
SYMBIOTES INVADE THE UNCONQUERABLE COUNTRY OF WAKANDA!
T’Challa’s most treasured allies are lost in a storm of Knull’s making in this wild one-shot! Critically acclaimed writer, actor and producer Geoffrey Thorne explores a Wakanda gone dark – invaded by Knull’s massive symbiote army. Wakanda needs its king. It needs the Black Panther. But once again, the hero must choose between his role as an Avenger, his role as a king… and the yearnings of his heart.
KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #11 is by writer Geoffrey Thorne and artist German Peralta, with colors by Jesus Aburtov, and letters by Joe Sabino.
CHECK OUT THE KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #1 PREVIEW BELOW:
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Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy
MY TAKE: BLACK PANTHER (COMICS ONLY)
So, I think it's been long enough (three years or more) since I and several other writers were asked to pitch their arcs for the, then, upcoming Black Panther reboot comic.
David Walker, myself and some dude named Coates were up for the gig along with two others, maybe, whose names I never got. We know who got the gig and it's been long enough that I thought it would be fun to post my first pitch for the comic series. I won't be posting the second pitch which is QUITE different from this one and has multiple elements I might want to use later or elsewhere.
As always, this is not a criticism against what is being done in the comics. The best gladiator won and that's the end of that. But some people have asked me about what I would have done and if the Black Panther's Quest show is similar. It is not.
Anyway, here's what I would've done..
BLACK PANTHER: THE RULE OF FIVE
After the many recent upheavals in his life– the loss of Wakanda’s vibranium, the devastation of his country, the betrayal of his wife/annulment of his marriage and the loss of his throne– T’Challa is juggling a lot of inner conflict and doubt. So he returns home to reconnect with his spiritual roots, hoping to find a path forward.
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In the past many have asked, “Who is the Black Panther?” Now T’Challa is asking, not “Who?” but “What?” Ruler? Scientist? Spy?
It’s a big question. The Panther God isn’t answering prayers. His people have their hands full rebuilding the nation. For the first time in his life, T’Challa has no answers. For the first time he is truly on his own.
One of the things that gets lost sometimes in all the intrigue of T’Challa’s story is he spends a significant amount of his time as a ruler not ruling, not being at home, not looking after his people and only his people. Sure, his sister’s the Queen now but, with a nation like Wakanda– whose hereditary rulers span back thousands of years in an unbroken line– not being King feels like a massive betrayal of everything T’Challa was raised to be.
Wakandans are navel gazers, something T’Challa has never been. Which path is the right one?
THE RULE OF FIVE
ARC 1: DUTY
Duty. Knowledge. Honor. Loyalty. Justice. These are the claws of the Panther Clan.
For its ruling family they form the pedestal upon which all action, all thought, is built. Let's begin.
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HAMMER BAY, Genosha, Southern Africa. In the wee hours of a dark night, three terrified people are stalked through the city streets. Their cells do not work. There are no cops available.
Whatever it is that’s hunting them brutally kills two of the runners before it’s zapped unconscious by more of their comrades. The rescuers (and victims) are operatives of a private agency equipped with high‐end weapons akin to those used by SHEILD.
They drag the unconscious hunter– a man in strange circuit‐laced, clothing– home, where they argue about what to do next.
The debate is shut down when their boss, JENNIFER SWENSON, arrives.
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Jen’s livid. The Genosha office was meant to be the expansion of her company, an NGO that provides “advance relief” to people on the brink of some disaster.
Now two of her people are dead and, instead of calling the cops, the survivors chose to bring the killer here?! WTH!
They point out that there’s a problem. She should take a look at the prisoner and see for herself. When she does, Jen is shocked to find the killer is none other than the former ruler of Wakanda, the Black Panther.
When she confronts him, he explains: Days previous, T’Challa foiled an attack on his sister made by what turned out to be some sort of disguised monster/human hybrid never seen before.
After tracking it to the home village of the Panther clan, they find the place filled with corpses. The hybrid killed all the villagers over a long period and no one noticed? This is past bad. With difficulty, T’Challa and Shuri put the creature down but not before Shuri is injured terribly. She’ll be out of commission for some time.
An examination of the creature’s weapons reveals an exotic sort of syringe- possibly alien technology.
This thing meant to infect Shuri with some sort of toxin. Studying the creature’s personal effects reveals it was part of an NGO that had sent a small team to offer proposals to help with Wakanda’s rebuilding efforts. The other three members of that team have just left the country for their HQ in Genosha.
Wakanda’s ruling council expects T’Challa to take over as regent until Shuri recovers but, to everyone’s shock, he refuses. If the others are hybrids, he says, they can’t be allowed to escape into the world at large. They must be found. If they’re not hybrids, they must be questioned. If they are, they must be put down, fast. Ebola fast.
He tracks them to Hammer Bay and manages to kill two more before the rest of Jen’s people zap him unconscious.
Now Jen’s all caught up but the weight’s on her now. If T’Challa’s on the level, this is a big, REALLY scary deal. If he’s not, it’s almost worse. Decisions, decisions.
T’Challa confirms: It’s worse.
By now the surviving hybrids will have converted all her people. That’s what the toxin is, a virus that turns humans into hybrid monsters. Jennifer is likely the only one of her crew who hasn’t been turned.
Swenson’s colleagues return, confirming T’Challa’s hypothesis. The rest of Jen’s people are now hybrids. He has also deduced their identity. These are Skrulls.
Well, sort of.
The virus overwrites human DNA with Skrull, creating the hybrids with one little wrinkle. Hybrid: Singular. Not plural. There is only one Skrull here.
The hybrids are a single intelligence, replicated virally in its victims. The original Skrull means to punish Wakanda’s royals for what they did in the Secret Invasion.
Though there are now treaties between the Skrull throneworld and Earth, this is a blood debt between the family of the general T’Challa killed and the Wakandan royals; it’s a personal vendetta.
The hybrid plans to take Wakanda and then, just possibly, the rest of the world. There’s no cure for the hybrid conversion, after all.
T’Challa doesn’t care about the motive, only the mechanism. By allowing himself to be captured here, he’s got the hybrid where he wanted it. All the players are in one place, away from his home and people. Now he can finish it, Wakanda Style.
Needless to say a fight breaks out, pitting T’Challa and Swenson against a building full of shapeshifting monsters. Swenson turns out to be an asset, using some of her NGO’s tech to help fight off the monsters. Even so, the fight is brutal.
In order to protect Swenson, T’Challa is forced to run. He’s in unknown territory, being pursued by the hybrids (now all melded into a single form for better massacring).
Sending Swenson to the Wakandan embassy, T’Challa leads the hybrid to the city’s central plaza (Genosha’s 30 Rock) where there is a Wakandan gift- a small version of a jungle- ringing the main building like a park.
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T’Challa scatters the few people who are around and dives into the jungle, chased by the hybrid, who thinks this is a big joke– poor little cat, trying to hide in the woods.
But, as usual, Wakandan gifts always hide a secret. In this case, the park is a smaller version of the famous techno jungle (think techno-organic Danger Room with no safeties) which can only be activated by one of the royal family.
The jungle attacks the hybrid as it hunts for T’Challa, whittling away at its strength and pissing it off. Now with a fighting chance, T’Challa braces the creature directly, hitting and running, literally cutting it down to size before he finally kills it.
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The Genoshan authorities arrive to clean up but the work here is done. Score one for the Panther. It makes him think. Maybe he’s never been cut out for kingship. Protecting the world’s innocents from its villains and monsters has always been where his heart lies.
What is the Panther? Not a king. Not a vigilante. Not even a man. The Black Panther is a hero– always has been. It’s time he admitted it to himself and everyone else.
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Geoff Thorne – September, 2014, Los Angeles
WRITER’S NOTE: For many years now, comic book fandom has mistakenly referred to the Panther as “Marvel’s Batman.” In my opinion this has never been an accurate description.
While their silhouette might be vaguely similar, the Black Panther has never been “that guy.” He’s not broken by tragedy and obsessed with crime (Batman). He’s not a mad scientist, good or bad (Dr. Doom or Reed Richards). He’s not a narcissistic genius (Tony Stark).
He is a protector, an innovator, an explorer. He’s not Marvel’s Batman; he’s Marvel’s Doc Savage.
https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2018/11/15/my-take-black-panther-comics-only (https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2018/11/15/my-take-black-panther-comics-only)
Courtesy of CBR's Redjack
Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy
I read the explanation. It made it worse. Lol. So all the equipment is in the field because the shield is being threatened.
If I'm in the group being sent to investigate, I'd start with the sheath deployed. It'd have been better to say it was a standard patrol compsed of air and ground troops that got ambushed and the shield wasn't deployed yet.
Because before this scene, Knull has already surrounded the planet with symbiote.
Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy
I read the explanation. It made it worse. Lol. So all the equipment is in the field because the shield is being threatened.
If I'm in the group being sent to investigate, I'd start with the sheath deployed. It'd have been better to say it was a standard patrol compsed of air and ground troops that got ambushed and the shield wasn't deployed yet.
Because before this scene, Knull has already surrounded the planet with symbiote.
well, i guess you'll have to read the whole story.
it's not like I'm going to spoil it just to explain four pages.
https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)
Another good review
https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)
Courtesy of Dboi from the CBR:Quote from: Dboi654;5367818https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)Quote from: Dboi654;5367790Another good review
https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)
Based on the reviews it confirms one thing I already knew/ wished, that this was a 2-3 parter, if for nothing else but to give us a SWaD part II vibe
Oh my sweet Bast... Redjack... Mr. Thorne... Mr. Frakking Thorne... THAT is OUR T'Challa. THAT is our king. The calculating, the planning, the warrior KING. I wish this was longer, a 3 parter SWaD style. Everyone shined in here. No one was cut down to make another look good. No ones intelligence was sacrificed. We all needed this. As Chester be stated, the ending is what everyone needs to remember, Feige, the Disney higher ups..
Truly amazing and I am utterly blown away at how great that was. You can see and feel the admiration for the character on every page. 100/10.
I like how RJ really set up the difference as well and why T'Challa is the grandmaster chess player While Okoye is all about sending soldiers in to fight and not run Shuri is about fixing the shield, T'Challa already knows what needed to be done and had the plan in place
T'Challa is very much to the point, he doesn't have time to make long speeches like Cap. He is blunt and too the point because he has to be, his peoples lives are in his hands. Again Priest said it best. T'Challa is the shrewdest man alive, got you looking left when you should be looking abd and by the time you realize it, it's too late.
I too also liked what RJ did with Shuri. It's honestly the best mixing of what Coates was trying to do and what the MCU did. THAT version of Shuri we saw in KiB I can get behind and would like to read more about
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The King has returned, all hail the King! Enjoyable revisionist ode to a more recognizable T'Challa/Black Panther! Loved the homage to CJP Panther as BP felled the symbiote rhino! Loved the homage to oral histories and the value of the storytelling tradition! Good seeing T'Challa the plotter, the commander, the visionary. I did feel his tone was a little uneven, unduly curt/harsh with his warriors while a tad overly accommodating of Shuri and Okoye's second guessing (likewise, Shuri's admonishment of Okoye's touch seemed a little much) but if not pitch-perfect, Redjack Panther rings true and satisfying like classic Al Jarreau, Chaka Kahn or Marvin Gaye. In the hands of a respectful, talented fan, the creator undoubtedly smiles.
My Two Cents!
Peace,
Mont
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.
Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.
Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.
As much as I usually agree with and always respect and appreciate Ezyo's opinions? I have to both agree and disagree here. I completely agree that Hickman BP was too often NOT carrying through his threats, and NOT acquiring decisive, satisfactory, solo and unaided victories ON PANEL that were unambiguous and permanent. However...
My brother, I think you forgot three major feats HICKMAN BP pulled off which have trumped everything that any iteration of BP has done since. And that would be? KING OF THE DEAD UNITING MARVEL ZOMBIES Black Panther. INFINITY GAUNTLET Black Panther. REALITY GEM wielding Black Panther, who literally rewrought and brought into existence the current MCU as it exists.
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.
Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.
As much as I usually agree with and always respect and appreciate Ezyo's opinions? I have to both agree and disagree here. I completely agree that Hickman BP was too often NOT carrying through his threats, and NOT acquiring decisive, satisfactory, solo and unaided victories ON PANEL that were unambiguous and permanent. However...
My brother, I think you forgot three major feats HICKMAN BP pulled off which have trumped everything that any iteration of BP has done since. And that would be? KING OF THE DEAD UNITING MARVEL ZOMBIES Black Panther. INFINITY GAUNTLET Black Panther. REALITY GEM wielding Black Panther, who literally rewrought and brought into existence the current MCU as it exists.
Brother S.I I would counter with: Unfortunately Hickman decided he needed Namors help to get the zombies to actually follow him, this heavily cheapening what would of been a wonderful feat. Yes he wielded the IF gauntlet and it's impressive how well he held up and survived god Doom, he still got utterly trounced and was lying broken at dooms feet. Abd yes we see that he rewrote the mu and brought back 616, that unfortunately was also overshadowed by the FF sacrificing themselves and remaking the multiverses. Too much tell, bot enough show, and too much over reliance on outside forces when it should of been his own doing.
You already know that I absolutely agree with the criticisms you level above. How is it that Hickman and every other White writer who touches BP except Ellis, Aaron [ and he still has an "asterisk" after his name ], Liss and Cates seem unable to write BP without diluting his victories in some way...whereas they can write White characters who're arguably LESS CAPABLE than BP somehow doing far more than they allow BP to do; without besetting the White characters with the dilution and disrespectful and "needing outside help from someone nonWhite" requirements and tropes they routinely beset BP with? Answer: because these writers are either blatantly or casually racist, that's why.
Whereas Redjack shows T'Challa turn the tide for his people, decimate the enemy forces when he jumps into the battle, immediately figures out and crafts a plan to beat back knulls forces and his dragon, and does what Every hero in this event has failed to do, rid part of the planet of knulls control. Abd he did it with his own power and resources and introduced us to T'Challas (his own creation btw) contingency to take down the Phoenix. No speeches, no outside help, no empty threats. Just T'Challa taking command and leading his forces to victory while being THE guy to beat knulls forces. How is that not showing the the most dangerous Black Panther?
Aaaaand aaaaaand aaaanad he faced down, outmaneuvered and outfought Knull Shuri without having to beat her down, showing once and for all that BJ BP is overall superior to Shuri, which is as it should be. Being "THE 616 AND MCU ALL AROUND BEST AROUND" is BP's thing...but with them constantly on the sly and in our faces with the consistent reduction in excellence and prominence of the Afrakan male in T'Challa the true BP and elevation of Shuri [ as if both siblings can't be spectacularly unequaled at the same time without such unflinching peerless achievement coming at the expense of the other ] as an excuse for their not so subtly hidden, ingrained impulse and desire to not show the prominent Afrakan male at all; and most especially not show the gargantuan possibilities of the union of the hypercapable Afrakan man, Afrakan woman and Afrakan family as a result of the tragic passing of Boseman? We in comicdom more than anyone else needed to see this sibling confrontation and resolution. The resolution having come without T'Challa having to physically strike Shuri is extremely important for many many reasons [ which we all likely know here and don't need me to delve into ], aaaand it reenforces the canon established by RH BP who...on some G code mode... stated that: "I would never fight a woman. I have people for that..."
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All of which you know that I and airyone on HEF including you are here for. Won't catch any disagreement from me on that. I would however add a double supplement: One. The feats enumerated above still don't overshadow rockin the IG solo and facing God Doom solo. Two and my Counterpoint [ part of the reason I want RJBP in 2021 and beyond ]: It took Hickman two whole entire books..with weekly releases no less...to finally cobble together two feats for BP that are of cosmic WHOA factor. RJBP? Did it in ON HIS FIRST TRY AT WRITING JUST ONE BP BOOK. A TIE IN TO A MAJOR EVENT, too. Aaaand had BP decisively score a win that nobody else in the 616 MU has gotten for THEIR favorite character. Aaaand not only did RJBP just defecate on Coatesverse BP and drew zero racist hatin backlash from the LCBRD in the process, he drew their support...a feat that was heretofore nigh impossible, prior to the world changing and hate smashing power of MCU BP. We long suffering Afrakan Black Panther comic book nerds are forever in your debt, Coogler and Boseman. .
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Priest- Always prepared Panther
Hudlin- Unapologetic hardcore Panther
Redjack- Most dangerous Panther
The line is "The Hand of Bast was BUILT to kill the Phoenix."
Can it actually do the job?
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What was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.
QuoteWhat was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.
Yeah that was... weird to me.
T'challa is still around in this timeline as far as anyone knows. So, why is everyone going out of the way to avoid mentioning his name?
How is that honoring anything? How is erasure honoring? I don't get it.
"Chadwick did such a great job bringing black PAnther to life. HE IS T'challa. So, from now on, we are going to act like he never existed in his honor."
LIke... wtf?
By not recasting, it could stifle the opportunity for one of the most popular, leading Black superheroes to add on to their legacy. The #1 way to kill a legend, is to stop telling their story
QuoteWhat was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.
Yeah that was... weird to me.
T'challa is still around in this timeline as far as anyone knows. So, why is everyone going out of the way to avoid mentioning his name?
How is that honoring anything? How is erasure honoring? I don't get it.
"Chadwick did such a great job bringing black PAnther to life. HE IS T'challa. So, from now on, we are going to act like he never existed in his honor."
LIke... wtf?
Shuri was black panther for almost a decade. Spencer and Aaron got plenty of hate for Jane and Sam.
Kate Bishops comic didn't last long. I dont think Cho's book lasted too long either.
Shuri was black panther for almost a decade. Spencer and Aaron got plenty of hate for Jane and Sam.
Kate Bishops comic didn't last long. I dont think Cho's book lasted too long either.
Almost a decade because there was no comic for most of the time, She got approx 25? issues? solo-ish i think if you count Doom War as her book too.
Jane and Sam sold enough to hang around for a good bit.
I think Sam and Jane only survived because Alex Alonso thought he could make it work. lol
I don't count She-Hulk or Red, they aren't legacy, they are franchise spinoffs.
Cho is with the new Agents of Atlas as part of the Asian market push. Not sure if the book is still going though.
Hulk has Shulk and Red Hulk spin offs, not just Cho.
Is Cho still around? I forgot about him lol.
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
None of which was Shuri's fault.
Yeah, I'm back.
Someone else will play War Machine [ remember that Don Cheadle himself was a replacement for Terrence Howard aka the Lyon Emperor of his own Empire ]
Hardest part about adapting it is making this shuri a warrior bad ass chick with her own Qbeing BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
None of which was Shuri's fault.
Yeah, I'm back.
Hardest part about adapting it is making this shuri a warrior bad ass chick with her own Qbeing BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
Is Flea or whatever still alive or is he floating aimlessly somehwere lol? Maybe he and TAku eloped
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
None of which was Shuri's fault.
Yeah, I'm back.
Hardest part about adapting it is making this shuri a warrior bad ass chick with her own Qbeing BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
Is Flea or whatever still alive or is he floating aimlessly somehwere lol? Maybe he and TAku eloped
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier delivered another satisfactory chapter. Opening with a great combat scene with John Walker fighting both Sam and Bucky. I dare say that Nu Cap gave the former Winter Soldier a better fight than did Black Panther or Captain America. Nu Cap was able to momentarily knock out Bucky and damaged his cybernetic arm before being subdued.
While previous episodes have delivered their fair share of BLM commentary on black impoverishment, black imprisonment, black identity and black sacrifice, the fifth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier hit hard with a statement from Isaiah Bradley. The "bitter old man" told the truth to Sam in no uncertain terms. He said they will never let a black man be Captain America and even if they did, no self respectin' black man would ever want to be. Think about that Black Falcon.
The late Lemar Hoskins' grieving black mother went all in as the lamenting mama complete with stating the decease's obligatory pride and honored to be a side kick.
Ayo and the Dora Milaje took Zemo to the raft for further imprisonment though I wonder why they did not take him to Wakanda as she seemed so dishonored to learn of Zemo escaping prison. Go figure. Not to mention, I think it was Zemo who actually contacted the Doras.
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Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine (yea, that's how she, the guest cameo, introduced herself) not only praises John Walker's actions but makes him an offer he shouldn't refuse but more interesting than that is she discloses that Captain America's shield does not belong to the US government. Maybe this is why one of the Doras was going to keep it after disarming it from Nu Cap.
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This harkens back to vibranium stolen by Klaw that was used to construct Ultron and the Vision. Not only did the writers of Black Panther the movie have T'Challa fail to bring Klaw back to Wakanda they had him state that he gave Zemo to the Ross and thus to the CIA. That's two enemies of Wakanda not facing Wakandan justice and retribution. The Protocols of the 710 universe would have had T'Challa laying hands on Klaw while over head his cloaked Talon fighter emits a low level emp that disables all the cell phones, electronic surveillance and satellite feeds thus allowing the Black Panther to pummel Klaw with impunity and then take his unconscious foe into his ship and fly back to Wakanda. Personally speaking I think the Black Panther habit should have stealth tech that renders him electronically invisible but that's me.
Sam's training scenes were good to see especially his practice with the shield. Bucky and Sam as a team, err, partners, nah coworkers is developing well. So much so that Bucky calls in a favor from Wakanda and gives Sam a gift. As the Falcon's wings were clipped by Nu Cap I'm betting the package Sam received were high tech vibranium wings. It wasn't revealed but its a definite.
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All I got to say is that next episode better address T'Challa making the wings for Sam or we gonna have us a problem.being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
None of which was Shuri's fault.
Yeah, I'm back.
Good to hear from you Salustrade. Welcome back Brother.
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Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS
Good point about the Dora Milaje taking Zemo to the Raft. I thought that was strange, and it would make more sense for him to go to Wakanda.
Good point about the Dora Milaje taking Zemo to the Raft. I thought that was strange, and it would make more sense for him to go to Wakanda.
I absolutely concur. I actually boo'd the scene where the DM sent Zemo to The Raft. There is too much shuck and jivin with Afrikans in the MCU. Zemo should have been offed, point blank. Killing The KING of Wakanda IS WORSE THAN offing the President of the USA. After all, several Presidents have been offed. No King of Wakanda was killed by a foreign national until Zemo did it. That alone? Should have bought him a Wakandan death penalty. Klaw was going to catch that same fate, had Killmonger not offed him first...
...and Klaw didn't kill The King of Wakanda.
I am unaware of any MCU plans preventing Zemo from being offed by the DM, but I will say that the actor playing Zemo absolutely SMASHED his role. And the writers fleshing out Zemo's backstory did an equally impressive job. As was stated earlier by one of our HEF OG's...nobody in this series is a straight up black and white villain. I am really feelin everyone's position, from Karli to Bucky, Elijah Bradley to Peggy Carter, Sam to the DM, Sarah [ Sam's sister ] to Lester and John Walker.
I was especially impressed by Sam's reason to pick up the shield of Captain America, after meeting Bradley. And I don't know how Sam would be a more formidable h2h threat than John Walker. Imo John Walker would dog walk Sam even BEFORE he got The Super Soldier Serum. With it? John was able to beat Sam AND Bucky...a very deadly Super Soldier in his own right as The Winter Soldier...in one on one h2h. Idk how Sam could realistically beat John Walker cum USAgent in a h2h throwdown in the final episode.
I would seriously like a Season 2-5 of FWS...
Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS
I dont see him doing it. The first time was in the 70s when Tchalla was just a background character. Doing it now seems like something somebody who works for him would do.
In Infinity War he just said " get that man a shield" and there it was. He didnt go to the lab and make one.
And considering Sam's original set were already built by the military, Wakanda probably already had something similar before Tchalla was born. Lol
Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS
I dont see him doing it. The first time was in the 70s when Tchalla was just a background character. Doing it now seems like something somebody who works for him would do.
In Infinity War he just said " get that man a shield" and there it was. He didnt go to the lab and make one.
And considering Sam's original set were already built by the military, Wakanda probably already had something similar before Tchalla was born. Lol
Yeah but that was also because they were literally just about to be invaded. Having T'Challa set up the gift is comic accurate (Because people love to call for it so much) whole also keeping T'Challa relevant even though he isn't around. If it goes to Shuri all it will do is just show everyone that the MCU has zero issues taking T'Challas feats and possibly stories and importing them to Shuri without hesitation or issue
There is too much shuck and jivin with Afrikans in the MCU. Zemo should have been offed, point blank. Killing The KING of Wakanda IS WORSE THAN offing the President of the USA. After all, several Presidents have been offed. No King of Wakanda was killed by a foreign national until Zemo did it. That alone? Should have bought him a Wakandan death penalty. Klaw was going to catch that same fate, had Killmonger not offed him first...
The equalizer is that Sam has the shield now and the incoming new Falcon gear. Will the new Falcon gear be vibranium? Does Bucky have THAT much pull to get that sort of a gift from Wakanda?
Of course... Sam could just go back to bringing out the guns again, but probably won't fly to shoot Walker with a missile lol.
The shield might have been an equalizer if Sam wasn't dealing with a person in John Walker who also proved to be very competent with the shield. Unless Sam is a zillion times better than Walker? Sam shouldn't have a decisive advantage...
...except...
...I noticed RIGHT AWAY that Sam and Bucky were very adept with slinging the shield when Sam practiced with his RIGHT hand and Bucky practiced with his Vibranium arm. But in the training montage? SAM TRAINED HIS LEFT SIDE AND ARM PRIMARILY. John Walker? Practiced the shield ONLY ON HIS RIGHT SIDE. He used it almost exclusively RIGHT HANDED in almost ALL the scenes where Walker used the shield combatively. This ambidextrousness of Sam's might be used to gain the W on John. But that right there should be some ole PIS. Because all specop warriors of anywhere near John's caliber shoot ambidextrously, and that same ingrained training would make John ambidextrous with the shield.
The advantage skill wise that Sam has over John Walker? Is that Sam is definitely possessed of superior combat acrobatic and aerial skills. This hearkens back to his comic book origins, wherein Sam's described as a literally a Master Acrobat. In open spaces? Sam has skills that definitely even the playing field, and even tilts it in his favor. But not by much.
Also, this next fight with Walker is likely to be outside, which actually gives Sam room to maneuver.
What hte training montage needed was Sam and Bucky sparing. Let Sam get more practice using the shield against opponents that are bigger, faster, and stronger than him.
I absolutely agree that Sam and Bucky should have been sparring, but I think that both should have been overseen in some kind of way by Elijah Bradley. That would have been sweet. PIS, but sweet. Btw, in regular or even regular "extended" CQB with pistols, etc? John Walker...THE THREE TIME RECIPIENT OF THE MEDAL OF HONOR...dog walks Sam. Remember that John Walker in this Disney+ incarnation is the very best specops soldier that the USA has ever created without the SSS. He's also an insane sniper shot expert
Oh and the Doras didn't execute Zemo because T'challa didn't want him dead remember? "The Living are not done with you yet." With Wakanda now being open to the world to some extent... taking Zemo to the raft may have been a diplomatic move.
I see where you're coming from, but...this is something we're probably just going to have to agree to amicably disagree about. We usually almost wholly agree with every post of yours that I've seen you write, like I find myself in nearly synchronous agreement with everything that Ture writes. But not this time. From my perspective? It's definitely PIS to let Zemo survive. Yes, you're RIGHT. T'Challa DID say to Zemo that:"...the Living are not done with you yet." And I agree. The Wakandans are still part of the Living, and Zemo will still have to settle up with them for killing King T'Chaka. The price? Zemo's life. Not just the death of Zemo, but the dismantling of each and every one of his schemes, the punishment of his co-conspirators, enablers, financial backers, etc. and reposession of anything of value that he has acquired in his life. The particulars and specifics of his life? Would be almost entirely erased by Wakanda.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier delivered another satisfactory chapter. Opening with a great combat scene with John Walker fighting both Sam and Bucky. I dare say that Nu Cap gave the former Winter Soldier a better fight than did Black Panther or Captain America. Nu Cap was able to momentarily knock out Bucky and damaged his cybernetic arm before being subdued.
While previous episodes have delivered their fair share of BLM commentary on black impoverishment, black imprisonment, black identity and black sacrifice, the fifth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier hit hard with a statement from Isaiah Bradley. The "bitter old man" told the truth to Sam in no uncertain terms. He said they will never let a black man be Captain America and even if they did, no self respectin' black man would ever want to be. Think about that Black Falcon.
The late Lemar Hoskins' grieving black mother went all in as the lamenting mama complete with stating the decease's obligatory pride and honored to be a side kick.
Ayo and the Dora Milaje took Zemo to the raft for further imprisonment though I wonder why they did not take him to Wakanda as she seemed so dishonored to learn of Zemo escaping prison. Go figure. Not to mention, I think it was Zemo who actually contacted the Doras.
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Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine (yea, that's how she, the guest cameo, introduced herself) not only praises John Walker's actions but makes him an offer he shouldn't refuse but more interesting than that is she discloses that Captain America's shield does not belong to the US government. Maybe this is why one of the Doras was going to keep it after disarming it from Nu Cap.
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This harkens back to vibranium stolen by Klaw that was used to construct Ultron and the Vision. Not only did the writers of Black Panther the movie have T'Challa fail to bring Klaw back to Wakanda they had him state that he gave Zemo to the Ross and thus to the CIA. That's two enemies of Wakanda not facing Wakandan justice and retribution. The Protocols of the 710 universe would have had T'Challa laying hands on Klaw while over head his cloaked Talon fighter emits a low level emp that disables all the cell phones, electronic surveillance and satellite feeds thus allowing the Black Panther to pummel Klaw with impunity and then take his unconscious foe into his ship and fly back to Wakanda. Personally speaking I think the Black Panther habit should have stealth tech that renders him electronically invisible but that's me.
Sam's training scenes were good to see especially his practice with the shield. Bucky and Sam as a team, err, partners, nah coworkers is developing well. So much so that Bucky calls in a favor from Wakanda and gives Sam a gift. As the Falcon's wings were clipped by Nu Cap I'm betting the package Sam received were high tech vibranium wings. It wasn't revealed but its a definite.
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All I got to say is that next episode better address T'Challa making the wings for Sam or we gonna have us a problem.being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
None of which was Shuri's fault.
Yeah, I'm back.
Good to hear from you Salustrade. Welcome back Brother.
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I heartily applaud and wholeheartedly agree with every letter of this post...to no one's surprise. I especially am in agreement that T'Challa's habit should be wreathed with stealth tech making him invisible to electronic and most sensory means of perception; PREDATOR armor times 100. And T'Challa himself should be both the incarnation of supreme stealth and the seamless synthesis of spirit and sinew.
I absolutely loved The Contessa and her snappy banter. I definitely want to see more of her, and the final episode seems like that is exactly what will happen.
I absolutely think that John Walker is forging a new shield and will probably debut the USAgent uniform in the final episode. I'm feelin John Walker Cap and his character arc. He DOESN'T deserve the "hate you because you're not Steve Cap" or "hate you because you killed that Super Soldier terrorist" hate he's gotten online. I think he was right to kill that guy. If I just witnessed you kill a guy I considered to be my brother, my very best friend ever and my best war buddy? I'd kill you, too. And everyone else responsible. If there was even one of these people responsible for my brother's death still out there breathing? Then...In the final flashback words of Battlestar...it's: "Time to go to work." And good ole Wayne is doing a good job with John Walker. He's believable, relateable. I really felt him several times. During his introduction, Lemar and John's attempt to make friends with Sam and Bucky, and especially when the Dora Milaje cleaned everyone's clock and John had that incredibly dejected and disappointed look on his face as he said: "They're not even Super Soldiers."
The showdown with Sam Cap will be epic. I most definitely want to see that. It's going to be incredible and looong overdue. I'm sooo tired of seeing Sam and Rhodey playing second fiddle in these movies. It seems that the only truly viable Black male hero in the MCU who stands on his own is T'Challa...whom they're trying to write out of his own franchise. Sam, Rhodey, and Nick Fury are all vibrant second stringers who are clearly lesser powered backup guys with less than major roles to play in every film.
I wondered if Wakanda would seek to reposses Cap's shield due to its partial Vibranium construction, but I wouldn't see such a thing being done if T'Challa The Black Panther remained in Wakanda. I'm not especially loving that idea, as I would think that a more Black Panther-ish move would have been to have doctored the Vibranium in Cap's shield with Afrofuturistic information gathering Sekhmet i-oktophasi which are subquantum level octopi shaped programmable info retrieving bots that Captain America unwittingly takes with him on every adventure, thus providing the most close held information of the USA and others to Wakanda without any effort by or risk to Wakanda or her people. Maybe the DM are sent to FEIGN interest in recapturing the shield, thus ensuring that the USA government and perhaps Sam Cap keeps the shield all the more close by his side and secures all the more Wakanda's intel gathering on the USA and whatever Cap they choose?
Entertainment Weekly reviewer isn't a fan.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier failed noble ambitions with limp storytelling: Review
https://ew.com/tv/tv-reviews/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-review/
I dug Majors’ take on ‘He Who Remains’. For me he embodied a man ravished by the weight of knowledge and time.
I liked the nod to the ‘Immortus’ costume, and I look forward to Majors’ other iterations of Nathaniel Richards, especially ‘Kang the Conquer’.
I like how we see T'Challas super prep with the plans upon plans being 2 step's ahead of his enemies and 3 step's ahead of his friends. I still would of liked to see his super genius in action. I am still annoyed it's been so ambiguous. But I felt a great Sense of happiness all throughout the episode... Then sad at the end, a feeling that this may be the last of T'Challa through the what ifs. And anger at Marvel for so stupidly announcing they won't recast so soon after his passing
The Robin Hood reference made sense given it is what he is to the cosmos and he was basically the heroic swashbuckler archetype, it’s the flip side of the Han Solo type scoundrel that Quill modeled himself after
I'd add that the necessity of a Robin Hood type figure would not have any parallel within WK as the people in charge seek to benefit everyone.
Tchalla has to use a reference from outside his Kingdom to make an example.
Yeah I didn't like the what if episode, it filled me with anger disgust and sadness. And the worst thing is that I feel it's a premonition for exactly how I can see Wakanda forever going about showing T'Challas death. To me, the scene with T'Challas casket was more disrespectful to everything Chad did that a Recast ever would especially because the MCU Has been making T'Challas legacy being that he has died more than any other hero combined.
The fact he is so easily dispatched, as well as Wakandas showing, while this was indeed Priests kilmonger, more and more the BP franchise is being used as a stepping stool. Sane was done for the zombie episode too.
I don't like how the MCU had treated T'Challa at all
Yeah I didn't like the what if episode, it filled me with anger disgust and sadness. And the worst thing is that I feel it's a premonition for exactly how I can see Wakanda forever going about showing T'Challas death. To me, the scene with T'Challas casket was more disrespectful to everything Chad did that a Recast ever would especially because the MCU Has been making T'Challas legacy being that he has died more than any other hero combined.
The fact he is so easily dispatched, as well as Wakandas showing, while this was indeed Priests kilmonger, more and more the BP franchise is being used as a stepping stool. Sane was done for the zombie episode too.
I don't like how the MCU had treated T'Challa at all
TBF What if was completed before Chadwick passed. But it didn’t make it sting any less. At this point we all need to campaign for a variant of T’Challa to come to the main universe. It’s better than having no T’Challa and maybe the new one can build up a better legacy that the one of constant disrespect Boseman’s T’Challa is unfortunately leaving behind.
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.
There was his near death experience in his solo, plus getting dusted by Thanos. And I know some of y’all are apprehensive about a variant, but the way I see it if T’Challa has an unambiguous death in the sequel then a variant is simply the most realistic way he can be recast.
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.
There was his near death experience in his solo, plus getting dusted by Thanos. And I know some of y’all are apprehensive about a variant, but the way I see it if T’Challa has an unambiguous death in the sequel then a variant is simply the most realistic way he can be recast.
Near death isnt death. All the heroes have been near death. And being dusted along with half the universe is hardly something to be concerned about.
With so many storytelling possibilities, it’s perhaps not surprising to learn that Marvel Studios was developing a spin-off series for at least one “What If…?” character.
“There was planning to have Star Lord T’Challa spin off into his own show,” Andrews tells Variety. “We were all very excited. We know [Chadwick] would have loved it, too.”
It was so lovely to see so much of T’Challa this season. It felt like a gift to audiences who felt like that they didn’t get to see enough of Chadwick Boseman’s performance. Was he able to record anything for Season 2?
Andrews: Unfortunately, no.
Bradley: We were lucky we had him for Season 1.
Andrews: Chadwick had recorded his Star Lord T’Challa stuff early. But we had those later episodes that he appeared in sporadically, and it was a long stretch before we got him [again]. And it was not long after the final recording that he passed. I think it was maybe just a few months, or a month. None of us knew, obviously. But, um, we got him in time to have everything [for Season 1]. I think he was also trying to make an effort because T’Challa was so important to him — and also this new version of Star Lord T’Challa was so important to him. He dug it.
I don’t know if he knew this, but there was planning to have Star Lord T’Challa spin off into his own show with that universe and that crew and that whole thing. We were all very excited. We know he would have loved it, too. And then, you know, he passed, and so all that’s in limbo. So, who knows? Maybe one day.
Starting November 12, IMAX Enhanced versions of select Marvel movies became available to stream on Disney Plus.
This feature allows subscribers to see even more action on screen thanks to the larger frame provided by IMAX's expanded aspect ratio (1:90:1). The IMAX presentation delivers up to 26% more picture in select scenes.
While this feature does not include IMAX Enhanced DTS sound at launch, Marvel.com suggests that an audio upgrade could be added in the future.
Here's a full list of every Marvel movie that was IMAX Enhanced on Disney Plus Day:
"Iron Man" (2008)
"Guardians of the Galaxy" (2014)
"Captain America: Civil War" (2016)
"Doctor Strange" (2016)
"Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" (2017)
"Thor: Ragnarok" (2017)
"Black Panther" (2018)
"Avengers: Infinity War" (2018)
"Ant-Man and The Wasp" (2018)
"Captain Marvel" (2019)
"Avengers: Endgame" (2019)
"Black Widow" (2021)
"Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings" (2021)
All Black Panther cinematic appearances are present and accounted for. What a pleasure watching the Black Panther solo movie in IMAX. It really is a superior showing.
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And yet marvel wants to move on with Wakanda forever despite all the rich history behind T'CHALLA, and want to claim Wakanda was always the focus... Right
that would be nice. Though it's one of those situations where they should of said done it earlier rather than later if that were the case. There's a lot more positivity they could get out of promoting the honoring of Chad and carrying the torch via recast
And yet marvel wants to move on with Wakanda forever despite all the rich history behind T'CHALLA, and want to claim Wakanda was always the focus... Right
that would be nice. Though it's one of those situations where they should of said done it earlier rather than later if that were the case. There's a lot more positivity they could get out of promoting the honoring of Chad and carrying the torch via recast
True. And do you think maybe they’re doing this in response to the movement?
Okoye, and the untitled Wakanda series are all but confirmed to be in the works, making them the safe for September announcements. Disney+ Day 2022 takes place on September 8, with last year's Marvel Studios special premiering at 9am ET.
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Shooting of the Okoye TV series will begin in early 2023. The series will be released on Disney+ in 2024
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A series set in Wakanda is in development at Disney Plus. The series is part of a new multi-year overall television deal Ryan Coogler and his Proximity Media have signed with The Walt Disney Company and will include other television projects in the future.
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An Agents of Wakanda series would be neat.
Imagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...
QuoteImagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...
You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme. ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.
QuoteImagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...
You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme. ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.
Brother Ture, I don't see any compliance at all in what I'm posting. Where do you see such a thing? Am I missing something?
I think I've made it clear by repeating...mara nyingi hadi naugua, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...that the primary prerequisite for any Wakanda anything in this era? Is the dominating, ultra feat laden, second to none, equaled by none, ultra respected presence of THE BLACK PANTHER WHO IS T'CHALLA, SON OF T'CHAKA, BROTHER OF SHURI. You know that.
You know that I 100% agree that the most central and important ingredient is THE BLACK PANTHER. I think you know this, Brother Ture. I'm not happy or thrilled at all at the current state of affairs, but I realize that Disney reserves the right to do what it wants to do with its character...THE BLACK PANTHER.
I think you know that I think that there is no Wakanda without BP and the premier BP? Is T'Challa.
QuoteImagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...
You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme. ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.
Brother Ture, I don't see any compliance at all in what I'm posting. Where do you see such a thing? Am I missing something?
I think I've made it clear by repeating...mara nyingi hadi naugua, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...that the primary prerequisite for any Wakanda anything in this era? Is the dominating, ultra feat laden, second to none, equaled by none, ultra respected presence of THE BLACK PANTHER WHO IS T'CHALLA, SON OF T'CHAKA, BROTHER OF SHURI. You know that.
You know that I 100% agree that the most central and important ingredient is THE BLACK PANTHER. I think you know this, Brother Ture. I'm not happy or thrilled at all at the current state of affairs, but I realize that Disney reserves the right to do what it wants to do with its character...THE BLACK PANTHER.
I think you know that I think that there is no Wakanda without BP and the premier BP? Is T'Challa.
Absolutely Brother Supreme. I was just joking around with the fact you gave an excellent line up and too good an idea for those who would relegate T'Challa to oblivion.
Aldis definitely has the aesthetic and talent. I was thinking his being as popular as he is might be more glaring when contrasted with Chadwick thus I thought Joshua's fit into the role would be less jarring.
On another note I wonder if Disney+ will be used as the vehicle develop?Spoiler (click to reveal)T'Challa Jr
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Aldis definitely has the aesthetic and talent. I was thinking his being as popular as he is might be more glaring when contrasted with Chadwick thus I thought Joshua's fit into the role would be less jarring.
On another note I wonder if Disney+ will be used as the vehicle develop?Spoiler (click to reveal)T'Challa Jr
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Like hurt being Recast by a bigger actor, T'Challa deserves to continue with an actor as big or bigger then Chad, and a rising star like Aldis is the perfect pick. Or ylan or Sope Dirisu. Rising known stars that wi bring the hype and channel T'Challa should be picked
Nah man of they got Aldis HE should be BP. Dude can act AND expressed interest in BP all the way back in 2012, give him his shot
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it's a fan pitch.
it's freaking awesome.
and he clearly watched BPQ