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Title: BLACK PANTHER DISNEY+ New Marvel release Bashenga: The First Black Panther???
Post by: Ture on March 09, 2020, 10:41:57 pm
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As I continue to research all things Black Panther I came across some interesting articles. I thought not only would they make interesting reading but needed archival preservation here at the HEF.



EDITS and EXERTS taken from

The Black Panther: A Comic Book History
By Vernon Mitchell, Jr., Curator of Popular American Arts on 23 May 2018 in Dowd Modern Graphic History Library, Special Collections, What's New

The late 1960s was a tumultuous time for America both domestically and abroad. President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act into law on August 6, 1965, which banned discriminating voting policies, just five days later, riots broke out in Watts, a section of Los Angeles, centered around police brutality toward African Americans. Times were indeed tense, and the issues of race were at the forefront. The fires that burned in Southern California were not solely about one incident per se, but a response to continued systematic oppression.

The larger implications of socio-economic inequality were now part of a larger critique of what America was and was not. This was the backdrop that Marvel Comics’ Stan Lee and Jack Kirby used to create their new character, Black Panther. The character’s alter ego, King T’Challa, was ruler of the fictional African kingdom of Wakanda. He was the first black superhero to debut in American comic books.

Originally conceived of as the “Coal Tiger,” Black Panther cannot be separated from the times in which he burst onto the comic book scene in Fantastic Four #52 in July of 1966.  Prior to the release of the comic, Lee and Kirby, according to writer Sean Howe, were very much aware and influenced by an article in The New York Times that discussed the formation of the Lowndes Country Freedom Organization (LCFO), which had as their emblem a black panther. Howe attributed that article as the impetus for changing the name of the character that Lee and Kirby had been working on for months.

The media referred to the LCFO as “The Black Panther Party,” after its formation in 1965 under the direction of Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) field secretary, Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Ture).  Carmichael believed that African Americans’ political power resided in the will and political self determination of local people.


full article
https://library.wustl.edu/the-black-panther-a-comic-book-history/


First Serial: Marvel Comics, The Untold Story
Drugs, feminism, and blaxploitation superheroes — the moment when Marvel changed forever

by SEAN HOWE ON OCTOBER 4, 2012

In the issue of The Fantastic Four #119, Marvel briefly tried to put distance between the Black Panther and his politically charged namesakes by renaming him Black Leopard. “I neither condemn nor condone those who have taken up the name,” T’Challa told the Thing, in a carefully measured bit of expository dialogue.

full article
https://grantland.com/features/an-excerpt-sean-howe-marvel-comics-untold-story/



EDITS and EXERTS taken from

How ‘Coal Tiger’ Became ‘Black Panther’
The newest addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe has always been tied to Black Arts Movement.
BY JONITA DAVIS / FEBRUARY 12, 2018

The energy and imagery of the mid-1960s saturated the creative minds looking for inspiration, including Marvel artist and art editor Jack Kirby.

Sean Howe’s book Marvel Comics: The Untold Story details that time leading up to Black Panther’s creation. Stan Lee was managing the team of artists and writers, who were actively competing with DC comics for comics sales. According to Howe, Stan Lee heard of the upcoming release of a line of comics that was a gamechanger for DC. Marvel had nothing new to compete. Howe quoted Kirby, “I came in one day,” said Kirby, “and Stan said, ‘Martin says we have to add more books.’ They were afraid Al Harvey, who had pretty good distribution, was going to crowd them off the stands.” Kirby and the rest of the team went to work looking for new lines and characters.

They tapped a little history by researching ancient cultures of Mexico and Africa. They also dug deeper into the sci-fi lore that was becoming popular at the time. The atmosphere of the time greatly influenced the Marvel creatives as well. The result of their hard work was a few new characters are still famous today—The Inhumans—and a black superhero, who lead an uncolonized African nation, and used the cutting edge of futuristic weaponry was born. His name was…Coal Tiger.

Kirby presented the character to Lee, and Lee decided not to push the black hero or the Inhumans at that time. They waited to introduce their new black character with an already popular line of white characters, the Fantastic Four, in issue #52, which hit stands July 1966. The renamed the Coal Tiger, Black Panther, and gave him a makeover for the gig. It would be another 8 years before Lee launched a solo Black Panther comic series Jungle Action.

Meanwhile, the Black Arts Movement, which was started in 1965 by poet Imamu Amiri Baraka, was creating a national interest in black culture. BAM also stimulated a pride in the black community that was manifest in hair (afros and braids), clothing (dashikis and Afrocentric prints), beauty. James Brown’s “Say It Loud—I’m Black and I’m Proud” was like an anthem. This pride carried the community forward.

By 1973, the movement was in full swing and black culture was dominating pop culture, and even film. Blaxploitation movies that centered black characters with black problems were available. Despite their campiness and stereotyping fails, the films were the first time the nation saw black people onscreen and in the forefront of the narrative.

The celebration of black culture that the Black Panther character’s solo comic debuted it did not last, but it didn’t fade away either. The door was open just a bit for black creatives, who would push it open in the decades to come, leading to the Black Panther film.

the movie about Black Panther went through some false starts just as the comic did. In addition, both character debuts were attempted using the popular Marvel characters at the time. The solo release came later, after the “soft launch” of the black superhero standing alongside his beloved white counterparts. Also, like his debut timeline, the film version launches amidst a mainstream appreciation of black culture, with an underlying struggle with racism. That struggle is fueling activism and feeding the Black community’s resurgence of Black pride.

The soft launch before the solo debut is one curiosity to note. Although the elapsed time differed, they did occur. The black superhero had to be introduced by beloved white characters before he could come out alone. There may have been causing for such a thing in the 1960s when there had been little to no marketing of blackness to the public. Then, a black character was a significant risk, especially one that shares the name of a group that media and government were characterizing as militant and anti-White. Lee may not have wanted to gamble. This reason only holds until you considered the list of the many superheroes that Lee debuted solo without a soft launch. Even the Marvel film franchise released Spiderman, Hulk, and a few other superheroes in solo films without a soft launch. Both times, they took a gamble on the white superhero, but not Black Panther.

These and other curiosities lead to the conclusion that the Lee and Marvel, and also the Marvel studios today were priming the public for the black hero. They saw that the possibilities when Black culture started seeping into the mainstream. A soft launch would “test the waters” and see if the public could handle such a character. This seems plausible until you consider that prior to the solo debut of the character both times, the black community was calling for representation in pop culture. In the past few decades, the outcry for more representation in the film has been a topic of discussion and studies. They started well before the current film iteration was conceived.

In fact, when Black Panther’s solo comic appeared in 1973, it was so popular that Luke Cage followed. Similarly, the soft launch of Black Panther was followed by a Luke Cage series on the small screen that was a hit for Netflix streaming service. Once the public was given the Black Superhero, they eagerly sought out more, making the next one a hit out of the gate.

It’s obvious that the problem is not the public. It’s the industries. Both Marvel Comics back then and the MCU now are run by white men who do not want to gamble on blackness until they are sure that they can profit. They wait until the movement is starting, the pride is forming, and the creativity is arising in other areas before “dipping a toe in” for a soft launch. Once that happens, once the profitability of the character is recognized, then they ride in like abolitionists with bolt cutters to open the gates to creative works and opportunities. Everyone is too swept up in the chaos to see that the ones holding the bolt cutters were also the ones holding the gates closed before.
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 10, 2020, 07:45:08 am
" Once that happens, once the profitability of the character is recognized, then they ride in like abolitionists with bolt cutters to open the gates to creative works and opportunities. Everyone is too swept up in the chaos to see that the ones holding the bolt cutters were also the ones holding the gates closed before."

EXXXXACTLY!!!

Before the return of The Black Panther? We had Spawn, we had BLADE who launched Marvel Superhero movies...even without an MCU. We had Black action heroes leading Hollywood: Will Smith, Wesley Snipes, Denzel Washington. We had Barack Obama, for Chrissakes. We had R to the H's Black Panther comic book setting records. We had Milestone and Static Shock. We had John Stewart as Green Lantern.

Until Afrikan creatives control our own studios...props, Tyler Perry...we won't be able to build our own heroes. Can you imagine what amounts to an indie Milestone Movies Universe? OmLAWD, we'd do to heroics and comics what we've done to music, sports, fashion, culture and storytelling.
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: Gessela on March 10, 2020, 11:28:34 am
I'm happy to see writers acknowledging LCFO and Kwame Ture, while so many were incorrectly crediting Marvel with influencing The Black Panther Party. The only time I respond to it is on here because I know you brothers are serious about your fandom.

A shortened version of the symbol's American origin: 1Clark College emblem-2Kwame Ture-3Huey P. Newton/Bobby Seale.
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 10, 2020, 02:00:07 pm
I'm happy to see writers acknowledging LCFO and Kwame Ture, while so many were incorrectly crediting Marvel with influencing The Black Panther Party. The only time I respond to it is on here because I know you brothers are serious about your fandom.

A shortened version of the symbol's American origin: 1Clark College emblem-2Kwame Ture-3Huey P. Newton/Bobby Seale.


Beautiful sistah Gessela, thank you for Illuminating me, The Supreme Illuminati. I didn't know of the Clark College emblem connection. Would you be kind enough to expound upon this?
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: Gessela on March 10, 2020, 03:23:54 pm
I'm a brother.
Here's some additional info-

December 1965: Lowndes County Freedom Organization
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     Black voters in Lowndes County, Alabama, using a provision in state law, form an independent political party: the Lowndes County Freedom Organization (also known as the Black Panther Party). The party fields a slate of 7 candidates for county offices in the November 1966 general election.
     Until 1965, not one black person was registered to vote in Lowndes, though blacks made up 80% of the county's population. By October 1965 -- following a series of voter registration drives and the enactment of the Voting Rights Act in August -- nearly half the black population had registered to vote.
     -- Image from LCFO pamphlet: @
    -- Note: The LCFO based its symbol on the Panther mascot of Clark College in Atlanta, Georgia. In turn, the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (formed in October 1966), took its name and symbol from the LCFO.


http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/473.html (http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/473.html)
https://zinnedproject.org/materials/lowndes-county-and-the-voting-rights-act/ (https://zinnedproject.org/materials/lowndes-county-and-the-voting-rights-act/)

From Kwame Ture-
The 1965 Voting Rights Act passed in the wake of Selma dramatically began to boost the number of black registered voters. And a unique Alabama law encouraged creation of county-level political parties. The law stipulated you had to have a symbol because of the high rate of illiteracy, recalls Kwame. Well, the Democratic Party symbol was a white rooster, the white cock party we used to call it. A panther became the new party’s symbol...almost accidentally.

Courtland [Cox] came to Atlanta and asked me to design a business card with an emblem for the party, recalls Ruth Howard Chambers. I came up with a dove. Nobody thought that worked and someone said I should look at the Clark College emblem. It was a panther and that’s where the panther came from. Somebody up there traced it on a piece of paper for me. In Lowndes County that pouncing black panther gave instant visibility to the newly-formed Lowndes County Freedom Organization as the Black Panther Party. The new party’s slogan: Power for black people.

Almost immediately, the black panther leapt out of the state. When a volunteer from Oakland, California working in Lowndes county returned home, Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale asked for permission to use the emblem for the Black Panther Party they had decided to form.

https://libraries.ucsd.edu/farmworkermovement/ufwarchives/sncc/13-June%201966.pdf (https://libraries.ucsd.edu/farmworkermovement/ufwarchives/sncc/13-June%201966.pdf)

http://www.southerncourier.org/hi-res/Vol2_No20_1966_05_14.pdf (http://www.southerncourier.org/hi-res/Vol2_No20_1966_05_14.pdf)
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 10, 2020, 07:48:00 pm
I'm a brother.
Here's some additional info-

December 1965: Lowndes County Freedom Organization
([url]https://newafrikan77.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/5321bfde-65ca-4a94-91e8-d893d334042e.jpeg[/url])
     Black voters in Lowndes County, Alabama, using a provision in state law, form an independent political party: the Lowndes County Freedom Organization (also known as the Black Panther Party). The party fields a slate of 7 candidates for county offices in the November 1966 general election.
     Until 1965, not one black person was registered to vote in Lowndes, though blacks made up 80% of the county's population. By October 1965 -- following a series of voter registration drives and the enactment of the Voting Rights Act in August -- nearly half the black population had registered to vote.
     -- Image from LCFO pamphlet: @
    -- Note: The LCFO based its symbol on the Panther mascot of Clark College in Atlanta, Georgia. In turn, the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (formed in October 1966), took its name and symbol from the LCFO.


[url]http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/473.html[/url] ([url]http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/473.html[/url])
[url]https://zinnedproject.org/materials/lowndes-county-and-the-voting-rights-act/[/url] ([url]https://zinnedproject.org/materials/lowndes-county-and-the-voting-rights-act/[/url])

From Kwame Ture-
The 1965 Voting Rights Act passed in the wake of Selma dramatically began to boost the number of black registered voters. And a unique Alabama law encouraged creation of county-level political parties. The law stipulated you had to have a symbol because of the high rate of illiteracy, recalls Kwame. Well, the Democratic Party symbol was a white rooster, the white cock party we used to call it. A panther became the new party’s symbol...almost accidentally.

Courtland [Cox] came to Atlanta and asked me to design a business card with an emblem for the party, recalls Ruth Howard Chambers. I came up with a dove. Nobody thought that worked and someone said I should look at the Clark College emblem. It was a panther and that’s where the panther came from. Somebody up there traced it on a piece of paper for me. In Lowndes County that pouncing black panther gave instant visibility to the newly-formed Lowndes County Freedom Organization as the Black Panther Party. The new party’s slogan: Power for black people.

Almost immediately, the black panther leapt out of the state. When a volunteer from Oakland, California working in Lowndes county returned home, Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale asked for permission to use the emblem for the Black Panther Party they had decided to form.

[url]https://libraries.ucsd.edu/farmworkermovement/ufwarchives/sncc/13-June%201966.pdf[/url] ([url]https://libraries.ucsd.edu/farmworkermovement/ufwarchives/sncc/13-June%201966.pdf[/url])

[url]http://www.southerncourier.org/hi-res/Vol2_No20_1966_05_14.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.southerncourier.org/hi-res/Vol2_No20_1966_05_14.pdf[/url])



Thank you for the correction and invaluable information, BROTHER Gessela!
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: Gessela on March 11, 2020, 01:00:06 pm
No problem, glad to help.
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on March 14, 2020, 11:47:53 am
Minorities in Comics in a Segregated America: All-Negro Comics 1
Posted by KB at 10:24 PM
Wednesday, February 10, 2010

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Prior to the integration of African American characters into comic book universes in the 1960s, African Americans rarely appeared in American comic books. When they did, it was usually in the form of a stereotyped caricature, examples being Whitewash in the Young Allies (Timely) and Will Eisner's The Spirit's sidekick Ebony White. Otherwise, if you were an archaeologist in the future trying to piece together what was going on in mid-20th century America and all you had as evidence was a pile of comic books, you could be forgiven for concluding that everybody in those days was light-skinned. All-Negro Comics 1 (1947) is itself a segregated comic, kind of a comic book version of FUBU clothes. Its stated intended audience is African American, and it is written, drawn, and published entirely by African Americans. Detailed information on the publisher, Orrin C. Evans, can be found here on Tom Christopher's website. It clearly wasn't a commercial success, and perhaps the 15c cover price had something to do with that. The book is extremely rare (the highest graded copy, a 7.5, sold at auction on March 13, 2009, for $10,600) and I don't own a copy (!), although I wish I did. The scan that's 'out there' is incomplete but at least offers a glimpse of this important comic. A more detailed description of the contents is located on Scott Shaw's Oddball Comics website: http://www.oddballcomics.com/article.php?story=2007-02-26 (http://www.oddballcomics.com/article.php?story=2007-02-26) which is where the scans I have appear to have come from.

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There are four strips within the book. Ace Harlem is a detective story, and I'll include a few pages here. Lion Man and Bubba is kind of an early version of the Black Panther and set in Africa. In fact there's a detectable similarity or two between this strip and Lee and Kirby's Black Panther concept, at least from the few pages I can see. Dew Dillies is kind of a Water Babies fairy story. But I'll start with the single page that is in the scan available, of Sugarfoot and Snakeoil, the page having the potential at least of being part of a romance story. There's also a gorgeous page of Hep Chicks On Parade, kind of like those one page features in romance comics that Jacque Nodell writes about on her Sequential Crush blog. I just wish the interior scans of this book were higher resolution. The male character anticipating a good meal is Sugarfoot.

Note the idea of Lion Man being a scientist, the treasures of his people's mountain, and the white guy coming to steal it. Besides being an obvious reference to European imperialism, there's a strong parallel with Lee/Kirby's T'Challa (Black Panther), his land Wakanda, and the valuable mineral Vibranium that the explorer Ulysses Klaw comes in search of (he becomes the villain Klaw), as told in the pages of the now legendary Fantastic Four 52-53 and 56. I haven't read the Black Panther predecessor, Waku, Prince of the Jungle, in Atlas's Jungle Tales of the 1950s, so I don't know if there's a parallel there also. I did come across what appears to be the first solo African American hero in comics beyond ANC#1, and that was the western hero Lobo (Dell, December 1965), so I swiped the image from the Wikipedia page it was on and put it here for reference. Lobo is also covered by Aaron in his series on black heroes in comics.

full article
https://kb-outofthisworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/minorities-in-comics-in-segregated.html (https://kb-outofthisworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/minorities-in-comics-in-segregated.html)
Title: Re: Fear of a Black Panther... The Black History of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on March 14, 2020, 11:52:42 am
There has been a insistent strain of prejudice against the Black Panther from his very introduction. The need to obfuscate the inspiration derived from both Orrin C. Evans' Lion Man and the Lowndes Country Freedom Organization (Black Panther Party) speaks volumes.

Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on April 09, 2020, 12:41:04 am
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Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on April 14, 2020, 01:34:37 am
Black Panther's Deleted Scene Makes the Movie Even Better, According to Fans
Greg Brian

Deleted scenes are a big part of the MCU and usually looked forward to when the Blu-Ray editions of their movies come out. Some of those deleted scenes also cause confusion since they frequently seem to help enhance the plot. One from Black Panther has taken notice in the last year as possibly being a missed opportunity.

The scene in question is W’Kabi (Daniel Kaluuya) and Okoye (Danai Gurira) arguing over whether T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman) is the best possible Wakanda leader. This scene has a lot of power to it and almost Shakespearean in quality.

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Of all Black Panther deleted scenes available on the Blu-Ray, this one continues to spark debate on social media. When looking at it a little closer, it really does look like a scene that should have been retained.

Daniel Kaluuya and Danai Gurira are powerful in this deleted sequence
https://youtu.be/-MnKxVC7kEA (https://youtu.be/-MnKxVC7kEA)

Both Kaluuya and Gurira are already known for being actors with fiery personalities. Kaluuya became a star in Get Out with always memorable big-screen performances. The same goes for Gurira who has spent a number of years on The Walking Dead until leaving this season.

Matching them up for Black Panther was clearly a casting coup, though presenting W’Kabi and Okoye as a couple was not seen as much as it should have been. Only in a deleted scene does their relationship become more apparent as husband and wife.

Those who bought the Black Panther Blu-Ray saw this deleted scene, but a user on Reddit recently posted it as a reminder of how visceral it is. When giving it a watch, it becomes a reminder of how great of actors Kaluuya and Gurira really are, if never working together prior.

Why Ryan Coogler decided not to have very many scenes with them together is a bit of a mystery. Both of them give everything they have in this scene with believable intensity.

The ‘Black Panther’ deleted scene could have been added to the movie

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This 'Black Panther' deleted scene sheds new light on Okoye and W’Kabi's relationship

Considering this deleted scene is only a few minutes long, above Reddit users are starting to ask why this brilliant sequence was taken out. Adding it would have had no effect on the running time.

Besides, the scene adds more understanding of the relationship between W’Kabi and Okoye. It also helps everyone better understand the relationship W’Kabi has with T’Challa. Also at play here is major emotional conflict through the eyes of Okoye.

Her having to uphold her allegiance to T’Challa while still showing love for W’Kabi is where it starts to become Shakespearean. Gurira really shines here in projecting a tug-of-war between two sides.

In leadership roles like Okoye’s, this often happens. When helping to run a country, especially, trying to find balance in who to side in is why politics is often a double-edged sword.

Understanding why W’Kabi turned on T’Challa

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Black Panther Deleted Scene Confirms Okoye & W'Kabi Are Married

More than anything, fans are saying this scene fleshes out why W’Kabi turns on T’Challa so it is not so abrupt later in the film. Here, the scene demonstrates the emotional reasons behind why W’Kabi wants Killmonger to be the leader instead.

Kaluuya really gets intense, exuding incredible emotion that seemed a waste to just place on the cutting room floor. As a result, it kind of raises more questions about why so many great scenes in the MCU are often taken out if at least presented for the public to see on the Blu-Ray editions.

Ryan Coogler has gone on record saying why he took the scene out. According to Mashable, he said: “I was incredibly proud of it as a director, but it didn’t work inside of the confines of our film.”

While a lot of fans think otherwise, it gives rise to other deleted scenes in the MCU and how they could have made certain movies better. For the sake of art, perhaps respecting the director’s vision is better to prevent artistic and fan discord.


https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/black-panthers-deleted-scene-makes-the-movie-even-better-according-to-fans.html/ (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/black-panthers-deleted-scene-makes-the-movie-even-better-according-to-fans.html/)
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on May 10, 2020, 08:15:31 pm
Remember when crossovers were cool? Post this COVID 19 induced absence of comics maybe a crossover would help jumpstart the industry.

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WHAT IF T'Challa the Black Panther in using to Nowhere Room was accidentally transported the DCU. Realizing he has traveled to a parallel earth he uses his wearable Kimyo to detect the nearest data feed and information storage unit... the Bat Computer. Breaking into the Bat Cave and hacking the computers data banks provides the necessary info the Black Panther needs to construct an apparatus that can transport him back to the MU. Of course entering the Batcave uninvited comes with consequences. The most grievous of such is the realization that this is the secret base of...

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In his quest to return home T'Challa must gather Thangorian Nth metal for containment which means he has to confront Blood Eagle; battle Power Ring for a power ring used for shielding; engage Superwoman to get her lasso for conductivity; outrace Johnny Quick to save the lives of innocents and obtain some Anti-Kryptonite from this man...

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The final item required is a Motherbox to be in the possession of... 

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Of course if this is all too much, Marvel could keep things in house and instead of a crossover with the Crime Syndicate of America launch the new Black Panther ongoing with a multi issue, well written, beautifully illustrated updated version of the Supremacists.
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 14, 2020, 07:54:44 pm
This is sooooo dope! I'm going to give this a go when I get a chance; maybe this weekend...
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on June 02, 2020, 10:20:45 pm
Marvel Studios

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In recent years Marvel has taken steps towards better inclusivity in their projects. Marvel had their first film centered on a black superhero, Black Panther, in 2018, which went on to be nominated for six Academy Awards including Best Picture.

The former Queen of Wakanda knows what time it is.

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courtesy of CBR'S Butterflykyss
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on June 15, 2020, 10:46:03 pm
BLACK HEROES MATTER
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COURTESY OF CBR'S Klaue's Mixtape
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Battle on June 16, 2020, 09:55:09 am
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Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 27, 2020, 07:11:44 am
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I love it!!!
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Battle on June 27, 2020, 10:58:07 am
>>> Supreme


How 'bout this one?  :)

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Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 27, 2020, 02:57:21 pm
>>> Supreme


How 'bout this one?  :)

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This is so tasty? I shared it on my FB. Thanks, ndugu Battle!!
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Battle on June 27, 2020, 03:08:05 pm
>>> Supreme


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Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 27, 2020, 05:39:13 pm
>>> Supreme


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YOOO. I called you, brutha. Hmu. 562-513-8339. Any other cool HEFfa can call me, too.
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Battle on June 27, 2020, 05:55:24 pm
YOOO. I called you, brutha. Hmu. 562-513-8339. Any other cool HEFfa can call me, too.





Texting is a easier way to do it, Supreme.  (https://i.imgur.com/Ft9MpaU.gif)
Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on June 27, 2020, 09:59:42 pm
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Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on July 01, 2020, 07:12:15 pm
A Call To Consciousness:     THE VIBRANIUM STREAM
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You've heard AM, FM, XM Now experience the future with VM. The acoustic couture of Kimoyo streaming is now offered to the outside world and some close neighboring star systems. No place on earth does aural enticements like the vibranium modulations found only in Wakanda. Listen, intuit and share. Live life without fear and help make our world a better place in these most trying times.


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Dem boyz from 'Kanda is at it again! Each droppin' on the same day! Dem boyz stay warrin'!

Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on July 14, 2020, 08:45:35 pm
A Call To Consciousness:     THE VIBRANIUM STREAM
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You've heard AM, FM, XM Now experience the future with VM. The acoustic couture of Kimoyo streaming is now offered to the outside world and some close neighboring star systems. No place on earth does aural enticements like the vibranium modulations found only in Wakanda. Listen, intuit and share. Live life without fear and help make our world a better place in these most trying times.


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Liberation Song (The Red, Black and Green) By Gil Scott-Heron
https://youtu.be/FwQZwXAIT38 (https://youtu.be/FwQZwXAIT38)

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Red, Black & Green By Roy Ayers Ubiquity
https://youtu.be/oM4nI3yHpVs (https://youtu.be/oM4nI3yHpVs)

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Raise The Flag By X Clan
https://youtu.be/Cqm3dywX2bA (https://youtu.be/Cqm3dywX2bA)




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Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on July 22, 2020, 08:55:15 pm
MARVEL'S 616 EXPLORES MS. MARVEL, BLACK PANTHER IN FIRST LOOK AT DISNEY+ DOCUSERIES

Go behind-the-scenes of Marvel Comics in two first look clips from the upcoming Disney+ docuseries, Marvel's 616. The project was first announced last April; its title refers to Earth-616, the main reality in the Marvel Universe. The first video comes from Episode 2: "Higher, Further, Faster," which was directed by Community's Gillian Jacobs, and it explores the origins of Kamala Khan (aka Ms. Marvel).

The second clips hails from Episode 4: "Lost and Found," which was helmed by Paul Scheer and chronicles "the actor and comedian’s eye-opening and hilarious journey to discover the 'forgotten' characters of Marvel Comics."

This sneak peek begins with an interview with Reginald Hudlin, who wrote Black Panther comics during a time (2005-2018) when the Wakandan king was still considered a rather obscure hero. "I said, 'I'm gonna write the comic book equivalent of a Public Enemey record,'" Hudlin says. "A completely un-compromised, politically provocative book and that was the key to success."


https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/marvels-616-disney-plus-first-look (https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/marvels-616-disney-plus-first-look)



Title: Re: Historical Explorations and Plausible Explanations of the Black Panther
Post by: Ture on July 27, 2020, 02:21:03 pm
COMICSGATE - A brief history


COMICSGATE IS GAMERGATE'S NEXT HORRIBLE EVOLUTION
Supporters want to save comics. But their reasons do not make sense.


ERIC FRANCISCO
2.9.2018 3:37 PM
Update, August 27, 2018: After a Year, Comic Pros Express Solidarity Against Comicsgate


Comic book publishers and creators have been under attack from bigots since Captain America punched Hitler in 1941. But now, bigots have organized under a new banner: Comicsgate. But what is Comicsgate? And how did it happen? Like Gamergate before it, the origins of this latest intolerant movement are ugly. On Friday, Comicsgate proponents on social media released a public blacklist of names for their followers to boycott. The names are organized under inflammatory titles like the “Pravda Press” and the “SJW Vipers” (“SJW,” for social justice warrior, a derogatory title for progressives). Those attacked are major figures in comics like Larry Hama, Mark Waid, Alex de Campi, Kelly Sue DeConnick, Matt Fraction, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and others. Nearly all of the people singled out are either women, people of color, or left-leaning.

The Comicsgate people claim the blacklist is meant for “educational purposes only,” according to the preamble. “You are advised not to engage in any harassment/doxing/Twitter trolling with these people. The list is meant for all concerned with the state of comics to see who the main contributors are to the declining quality.”

The statement continues:

“The players in #Comicsgate are not responsible for your actions if you DO NOT take the advice of the above statement. If you want to hurt these individuals, do it with your wallet. Don’t buy their products. Do not give the false reporter any clicks. Use archive.ie for any ‘reporter’ links.” But how did this start? And what do these people actually want? Because the hazy origins of Comicsgate are siphoned from the 2014 Gamergate movement and “alt-right” white nationalists, it is difficult to pinpoint a specific origin. Still, it likely all begins with milkshakes. Here’s a brief rundown of how Comicsgate got its bizarre hate game rolling.

In July 2017, several female Marvel staffers got together for milkshakes and a selfie, shared by editor Heather Antos (The Unbelievable Gwenpool) on her Twitter page. The women had gathered to celebrate the life of Flo Steinberg, an industry icon who had a key role in expanding Marvel and had passed away a few days earlier. For some reason, women enjoying milkshakes broke the dam on what would become Comicsgate.

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Bafflingly, some people believed Antos’s selfie represented what was “wrong” with Marvel. Between calls of “fake geek girls,” putting down Antos and her colleagues for being “the creepiest collection of stereotypical SJWs anyone could possibly imagine,” and harassment levied at Antos through Twitter’s direct messaging (via The Mary Sue) this selfie weirdly set off sexists.

To defend Antos, fans used the hashtag #MakeMineMilkshake, but it seems like #Comicsgate had begun. It just didn’t have a name, until later that year. At New York Comic Con in October 2017, a breakfast held by Marvel exclusively for comic book retailers went awry when a few retailers, peeved at declining sales, laid the blame on “black,” “homo,” and “freaking female” comics put out by Marvel. Since 2015, Marvel had a dramatically changed universe, in which the mantles of white, straight male characters like Thor and Wolverine were handed to women, and the Hulk had become an Asian teenager.

Of course, there were retailers who opposed this view, but the event added momentum to what would happen later in the fall and winter, and it showed that a vocal segment of comic consumers was eager to express their dissatisfaction and bigotry to Marvel’s face.

Two important names to know about Comicsgate, because its supporters rally behind them, are Richard C. Meyer and Ethan Van Sciver (#StandWithEVS). After the milkshake episode, Comicsgate began to crystallize through those two individuals on YouTube.

On YouTube, Meyer runs the Diversity and Comics channel, boasting over 57,000 subscribers. Contrary to the title, Meyer’s videos don’t explore the values of diversity and representation in comics. Rather, the videos — 12-40 minutes in length, usually — feature Meyers thumbing through random issues, poking fun at every page. His jokes are also generally offensive. In a review of Mariko Tamaki’s She-Hulk, he describes one character as “a bored, sullen, Y bitch” talking to an elderly woman, “her future lesbian self.”

(UPDATE: In a tweet, Richard C. Meyer said he was actually saying “whibish.” YouTube’s caption on the video read “Y bitch.” It’s what “whibish” means that remains a mystery.)

In December 2017, Bleeding Cool listed Meyer in an end-of-year countdown of influential people in comics, calling Meyer “the centre of alt-right comics hate speech” with “the ability to get comic creators who really should know better, to engage with him, even if they are screaming for blood.”

Online, Meyer aligned himself with Van Sciver, a freelance illustrator whose works include The Flash: Rebirth and Green Lantern by DC Comics. On Twitter, Van Sciver insists he supports diversity, but his personal politics — he’s publicly identified himself as Republican — lean to a Breitbart-flavored right. Earlier this year, Twitter unearthed Van Sciver’s sketchbook, titled My Struggle, autographed it with a Swastika signature. Van Sciver insists that My Struggle was just a joke.

But regardless of Van Sciver’s views, his actions have raised red flags. In 2017, Van Sciver told a Facebook follower to kill themselves (he later apologized). Then, in late January, Van Sciver engaged in a Twitter dispute with Darryl Ayo, a black independent comics creator. When Ayo, who had been the subject of a Comics and Diversity video refused an invitation by Van Sciver to appear on his show, Comicsgate supporters harassed him in droves.

Unlike most “-gate” scandals, there wasn’t one thing that kicked off Comicsgate, a name attached organically and has trended throughout 2017. Unlike its ancestor Gamergate, the demands by Comicsgate are unclear. Sure, Gamergate began when a guy got mad at his ex, but it at least pretended to aspire to something bigger in its call for “ethics in gamming journalism.” Comicsgate, meanwhile, seems to just want less diversity, both in characters and creators, in an attempt to save comics and keep the medium white, male, and familiar. That’s it.

Comic sales have slowed, that much is true, especially compared to the early nineties when the speculator boom was at its highest. But book sales have slowed across the board, along with prose literature, in the face of changing media. But the profile for comics have never been higher, as mainstream pop culture is actually excited for a movie featuring Thanos and the Infinity Stones. Not only are the demands made by Comicsgate offensive idea, they don’t make sense.

We’ve seen this before. It happened with video games and science-fiction literature. Despite the complicated origin story worthy of a supervillain, Comicsgate isn’t anything new. It’s little more than the latest irate gasp of fading white hegemony in geek culture.


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full article here
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/41132-comicsgate-explained-bigots-milkshake-marvel-dc-gamergate (https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/41132-comicsgate-explained-bigots-milkshake-marvel-dc-gamergate)
Title: Re: Historical Explorations of the Black Panther *** COMICSGATE ***
Post by: Ture on July 27, 2020, 02:37:26 pm
COMICSGATE - What's trending

Jae Lee Releases Statement on Tom King ComicsGate Accusation and Retraction
Jae Lee has responded to Tom King's recent ComicsGate accusation against the artist regarding DC hiring Lee to draw a variant cover for Rorschach #1.

BY JIM JOHNSO


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In the wake of writer Tom King's accusation and subsequent retraction of his statement about artist Jae Lee's alleged ComicsGate ties, Lee has issued his own statement on his Instagram account Sunday.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDG4CPUJtA7/?utm_source=ig_embed (https://www.instagram.com/p/CDG4CPUJtA7/?utm_source=ig_embed)

Lee's thoughts on the matter were part of larger post Lee made in honor of his and wife June Chung's pet dog Loki, who passed away two weeks earlier. "We were going to take him to the beach and comfort each other by sharing our favorite stories about our little boy. Instead, a part of the internet I avoid like the plague came barging in."

Lee's reference is to Tom King's Saturday tweet, which condemned DC commissioning Lee for a variant cover of King and Jorge Fornés' upcoming Rorschach #1. King accused Lee of previously drawing covers for ComicsGate, the movement associated with campaigning against diversity in comics and often known as a hate group. King followed up with another tweet that evening, stating he spoke with Lee, saying Lee "didn’t know ComicsGate existed, and doesn’t support hate of any kind. We’re all good. Best possible outcome."

Lee's response adds, "June and I were robbed of a special day. So, no, we're not 'all good.'" The artist historically has not been active on social media, and generally only posts to promote his art, although he also recently shared pictures commemorating his late pet.

"This isn't the start of a conversation," Lee concluded. "This is the end. So please, don't drag me into a world I never wanted to be a part of, nor will I ever want to be a part of."


full article here
https://www.cbr.com/jae-lee-response-tom-king-comicsgate-accusation/ (https://www.cbr.com/jae-lee-response-tom-king-comicsgate-accusation/)

Jae Lee BP art

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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - COMICSGATE AND ITS IMPACT
Post by: Ture on July 27, 2020, 03:04:51 pm
COMICSGATE - BP related

Black Panther Illustrates ComicsGate’s Motives, Reasonings

Charles Rodriguez

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ComicsGate has been painted as an iconoclastic whole, namely one of angry white nerds that hate diversity. However, each member has their own reasonings. Nowhere is this more apparent than in their reactions to The Black Panther. By analyzing their reactions to Black Panther, one can get a greater insight into their motivations.[1]

Richard C. Meyer described Black Panther as “great, it was as good as the overblown descriptions.”[2] Overall, Richard Meyer felt it started slowly although it became more enjoyable in the second half[3] which was more action packed. His main concern going into the movie was that it would be too political and wouldn’t be enjoyable. However, halfway through he really began to enjoy the film for what it was claiming “there wasn’t any weird political diatribe.”[4] He liked the action as well as the main villain. Richard stated that Killmonger was the most interesting character.[5] Even though Richard is white, it’s apparent that he identified with the reasonings, background, and struggles of Killmonger.[6]

Not all were as enthusiastic. Captain Cummings, another CG YouTuber, stated that “it was an ok movie but not a great movie” although “he had a lot of fun.”[7] He liked the world building, magic, and technology. Unlike Richard, Captian Cummings preferred the beginning of the film.[8] Overall, his main complaint is that Black Panther was “too much of a formula film.”[9] He also was not [10] and that Marvel struggles with villains.[11] In the comics, he’s the main antagonist to Black Panther in the comics, but he was just a minor villain in the movie. Captain Cummings felt his death was “disheartening” since he wouldn’t get more screen-time. He also differed from Richard in that he thought Kill Monger was cheesy, although he liked him more at the end of the movie.[12]

Just Some Guy, a CG from Chicago, critiques fans for not buying the book while hyping the movie. He doesn’t discuss the film much in his video so much as his reaction to they hype. Just Some Guy was frustrated with how other African-Americans claim they want more diversity in media like comics, but aren’t willing to pay for it.[13], [14] That it was a success wasn’t a surprise to him. He stated that Black Panther’s success was to be expected[15] because Marvel Studios has the formula down.

Just Some Guy’s secondary criticism was of Marvel Comics. Just Some Guy was frustrated with the incompetence of Marvel Comics in comparison to Marvel Studios. [16] Despite the success of The Black Panther movie, there was next to no promotion of the comic series. How could they sell a comic that people didn’t know exist? How can they buy them if they’re only old at niche comic shopsa? He was also annoyed that Marvel Comics didn’t focus on a single series, but rather they were already making two spin-offs. His belief is that without enough of a core audience all the series would be canceled.[17]

Others, such as That Umbrella guy, did not like it because of politics. That is understandable. Some people dislike the book Starship Troopers because of its politics just like others dislike Star Trek for the same reason. Many comic book fans are also turned off by political messages, so it isn’t surprising that they are suspicious of it creeping into films, even enjoyable ones. That Umbrella Guy shows how there are individuals that will dislike a film or comic because of its political message. Which is a-ok. No one should be forced to like or dislike a product.


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He wasn’t the only one that felt that way.
 
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Their reactions shine a light on their motives in ComicsGate. For Richard, super hero movies and comics are supposed to be like The Black Panther: Fun, action packed, and enjoyable. Currently, he does not believe super hero comics are that way. For Captain Cummings, super hero media is a way to have fun, socialize and explore. He likes the magic, the otherness, and the sense of discovery. Stick in the mud politics does not allow for escapism so is an obvious turn-off for him and others like him. Others are like Just Some Guy. They’re frustrated with Marvel Comic’s poor business decisions and with people not putting their money where their mouth is. Still others, like That Umbrella Guy are not fans of mixing politics with entertainment. ComicsGaters have their own reasons, backgrounds, and opinions. Some are not fond of fanwagons and ignorant hype.

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Others just want fun films and could care less about the protagonist looking like them.

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Many had fun and thought the film was great.

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Other ComicsGaters had mixed feelings on aspects of the film.

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ComicsGate is diverse and this is made apparent by The Black Panther. Consequently, so are their opinions on Black Panther. Some, like Richard, loved it. Others like Captain Cummings thought it was ok. Still others, like That Umbrella Guy did not like it.

If ComicsGate truly was about hating minorities no matter what, then it is odd that many would like and even love The Black Panther.[18] One would expect uniformity on that point if ComicsGate wanted to lynch every minority that crossed their path. Furthermore, if ComicsGate truly hated minorities one would wonder why many of its members are in fact minorities and like minority characters that aren’t stereotypes. Additionally, even those who disliked the film mention politics first and foremost and aren’t angered by the notion that a film can be about a black man or a super woman.

Why?

ComicsGate is about good comics. ComicsGate is not about white guys in basements complaining about dem damn wumenz and minorities. It’s about a healthy industry, one in which people can just have fun, socialize, and escape from the mundane present. It’s about not kowtowing to a comic clique that has the maturity of pre-teens, the fanaticism of Westboro, and the arrogance of Hollywood while lacking its wealth and splendor. That is the sentiment that unites those in ComicsGate, not race, gender, or even politics. What they want is good stories in film or in books. That’s the reason why ComicsGate generally praises The Black Panther and Wonder Woman even though they have political messages.

Lastly, comics were already diverse, unlike mainstream media: Storm, a Black woman, led the X-Men decades ago. To think that nerds -who embraced these diverse characters before anyone else- suddenly walk in goosestep is ludicrous. A better explanation is fan anger over the poor quality of Marvel Comics, the decline of the comic shop, and corruption of comic book gate keepers.


full article here
https://medium.com/@charlesrobertrodriguez/black-panther-illustrates-comicsgates-motives-reasonings-5caf9384e906




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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - COMICSGATE AND ITS IMPACT
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 27, 2020, 08:39:28 pm
But...Hollywood in general and the MCU behind the cameras sucked at diversity.

https://www.insider.com/anthony-mackie-criticizes-marvel-lack-of-diversity-2020-6 (https://www.insider.com/anthony-mackie-criticizes-marvel-lack-of-diversity-2020-6)

Idk much about ComicsGate. I DO clearly remember the tons of hate that CJP BP, RH BP, Miles Morales, etc etc got and IT WAS RACIST. I recall the LCBRD [ as I believe Salustrade or Sinjection coined the acronym ] repeatedly showed their vile racism on places like CBR before CBR was "allegedly" cleaned up...and I got the feeling from you more experienced board hopping HEF OG's that at least the first alleged "clean ups" weren't cleaning out the racists, but cleaning out the HEFfas and others who had the temerity to stand up and smack the hatas down. Sinjection Wars style [ where's Sinjection, anyway? ]

How's CBR nowadays?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - COMICSGATE AND ITS IMPACT
Post by: Battle on July 28, 2020, 04:03:53 am
From the article:

Quote
Unlike most “-gate” scandals, there wasn’t one thing that kicked off Comicsgate, a name attached organically and has trended throughout 2017. Unlike its ancestor Gamergate, the demands by Comicsgate are unclear. Sure, Gamergate began when a guy got mad at his ex, but it at least pretended to aspire to something bigger in its call for “ethics in gamming journalism.” Comicsgate, meanwhile, seems to just want less diversity, both in characters and creators, in an attempt to save comics and keep the medium white, male, and familiar. That’s it.




This is exactly why dc comics is so despise by many. (https://i.imgur.com/C6g3EoL.gif)  (https://i.imgur.com/pdZE2W1.gif)
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - COMICSGATE AND ITS IMPACT
Post by: Ture on August 12, 2020, 11:28:38 am
For some time I ignored or gave a cursory once over to articles I thought were unnecessarily deriding the Black Panther movie but now... well into the era of BP dominance, it might be fun to take a look see with my fellow BP enthusiasts.

15 reasons why Black Panther is a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie

Black Panther was greatly hyped as a ground breaking action movie that redefined the representation of black people in Hollywood. Yet perhaps it’s time for some thorough analysis and criticism. There's a whole list of reasons why Black Panther doesn't really challenge the norms and instead amplifies prejudices and stereotypes. Even more so: its underlying message is, in many ways, quite problematic.

By Jonas Slaats

A couple of weeks after the great hype had toned down, I finally went to see Black Panther. Intrigued as I was about the grand way in which the movie was hailed as some sort of liberation theology for black people, I refused to read any reviews and let the movie speak for itself. Could it really live up to the proposed breach of ‘Hollywood whiteness’? Was it truly such a “dope-ass black movie” as anti-racist television personality Trevor Noah made it seem to be in his Daily Show? Or was it yet another bizarre twist of consumer culture that lured people into thinking this was a norm changing movie even though it actually offered an overdose of those norms?

As it turned out, the latter was the case. With every minute of movie, my sense of disbelief became greater and finally ended in the certainty that this was a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie.

Surfing around on the net afterwards, I quickly realized I wasn’t alone. For example, an article by Kenian political cartoonist Patrick Gathara on the website of the Washington Post, offered some very relevant, thorough arguments. It described how “at heart, it is a movie about a divided, tribalized continent, discovered by a white man who wants nothing more than to take its mineral resources, a continent run by a wealthy, power-hungry, feuding and feudalist elite, where a nation with the most advanced tech and weapons in the world nonetheless has no thinkers to develop systems of transitioning rulership that do not involve lethal combat or coup d’etat.”

Gathara goes on to explain how Black Panther, with a typical Victorian slant, portrays Africans as primitive yet in harmony with
nature, not faced by the complexities of modernity; how the Wakandans technological advancement, apparently still doesn’t make them sophisticated enough to prevent a single American from overtaking the country; and how it thus eventually tells a neocolonial story about somewhat childish people who need a strong guiding hand to lead them.

As Kif Kif predominantly publishes Dutch articles,
our English articles can also be read on our English only Medium magazine.

As such, it’s painful to see how blinding a shiny neoliberal story about ‘triumphing blackness’ can be. Give people some feel-good popcorn and any critical analysis, seems to be thrown into the trashcan faster than anyone can even gobble up the Kool-Aid. So, to strengthen the case of an alternative view, I simply would like to add the following list of 15 reasons why Black Panther is rather problematic.

First, the obvious things…

1. The bluntly racist images: Not only does the movie end with African tribes fighting each other with spears, clubs and machetes but the men of the ‘strong tribe’ in Wakanda dress like monkeys and literally make oo-oo-oo sounds. Sure, the latter might perhaps be part of the original comics as well, but that doesn’t imply one is obliged to transfer the exact same imagery to the movie. If someone were to make a movie of Tintin in Africa and used the same old imagery ‘because the comic portrayed Africans in that way’, we’d all take offence and rightfully so because the images from that comic book are now considered to be racist. In a very similar manner the portrayal of M’Baku in the original Black Panther comics has also been problematic from the start.

2. The duality of ‘good blacks’ vs. ‘bad blacks’: The good guys are authentic, pristine Africans, who still live in harmony with nature. The bad guy is your typical ‘black boy from the hood’. As such, tapping deep into the typical colonial imagery of the ‘unspoiled primitive’ the ‘good’ black is the romanticized and completely idealized black. The ‘bad black’, on the other hand, is simply the contemporary and ‘real life’ black American.

3. The comparisons with the Lion King: The narrative similarities with the Lion King are painfully obvious: the king of the pristine and glorious land, is betrayed by his Uncle/Nephew, after which the new king is banished, yet he returns and with the help of his lioness(es) and warrior monkey(s), he’s saved. It only lacked a remix of the song The Circle of Life to make the message complete: Africa = savanna.

4. The crude portrayal of voodoo and its importance for the story: What makes Black Panther so strong is not his skill or his brains. (In fact, when ‘simply human’ he loses the fight quite often.) Rather, what makes him strong is some sort of voodoo trick involving plants, shamanism and a drug which makes your veins literally black as if you’re possessed by a Demon — which eventually the Black Panther is, since you can just as well ‘exorcise’ him with some counter-voodoo. And of course, the viewer won’t find any references to deeper philosophy, mythology or theology of genuine Ifá. No, the viewer only gets to see the crudest archetypical Hollywood portrayal of voodoo-as-black-magic.

Then, the somewhat more hidden stuff

5. The strange message of the futuristic element: There is no need to attack the genuine cultural phenomenon of afrofuturism at large, but what I found at least a bit bizarre from the start of the Black Panther hype was the craze for the fact that finally there was a movie about blacks who were technologically advanced. When the whole movie is about a mysterious country that pretends to be poor and outwardly projects a typical image of a third world country while underneath its surface lies some incredibly advanced technology, the eventual message simply seems to be this: “See, underneath every seemingly primitive African hides a (possible) modern Westerner!”

6. The contrasting morality of blacks and whites: All black protagonists are morally ambivalent. King T’Chaka, is a good king and father but hides his mistake, general Okoye is very loyal but because of her loyalty goes through a conflict of conscience when Killmonger takes over, the border guard W’Kabi is strong and adamant, but eventually chooses to follow Killmonger when the latter comes to power, king T’Challa has a good and wise heart but has many doubts throughout the movie. Even N’Jobu, who betrayed king T’Chaka, only did so because he was genuinely aggrieved by the plight of African Americans. The same is true for his son: he’s power hungry and aggressive yet also hides a deep love for his father and upholds a sincere wish to free ‘his people’. The only non-ambivalent characters are the two whites. Ulysses is pure evil and Everett is pure goodness. Concerning the latter, even though he’s a CIA agent, his motives are never questioned, his past is irrelevant and his dominant personality trait is one of ‘cute naive innocence’. He not only selflessly saves a life half way through the movie, but in the end also saves the world (since he stops the war planes from reaching their destination).

The only non-ambivalent characters are the two whites.

7. The seemingly subversive but eventually not so impressive flips of gender roles: In Wakanda, women are seemingly strong. But eventually there’s no question whatsoever that the men are the kings and the women (even when they’re fierce warriors or genius scientific whizz-kids) are on a constant lookout for a man who can help them. As such, general Okoye still needs the guidance of a righteous leader and princess Shuri needs someone to fly her plane. The only ones taking matters truly into their own hands (i.e. without following orders or loyalties) are men.

8. The role of vibranium (and how it’s the only thing that makes Wakanda ‘advanced’): When Wakanda is an advanced technological country, it’s not because of their inherent intelligence or their approach to society. It’s a ‘coincidence’ and has everything to do with a special resource: vibranium. (It’s also taken for granted they do not wish to share this resource with the rest of the world and that as such it will not only lead to technological advancement but also to conflict.)

9. The convoluted relation between tradition and power: In Wakanda, the traditions of old are seemingly revered as holy. But when the King loses in a fair fight, all of the sudden, anything goes. He can breach traditions and retake his power simply because he’s ‘the good guy’. So eventually there is no sanctity of tradition at all. It’s simply about power. The colonial undertone should be clear: ‘Africans are stuck in their traditions. They should abandon them, because power is what truly makes the world go round.’ This becomes amply clear in T’Challa’s relation with Killmonger. One of T’Challa’s great grievances is the fact that his father left a Wakandan kid behind in ‘the hood’ and did not try to save him from his lot (which, of course, could apparently do nothing but make him aggressive). Yet killing that same kid simply because he’s not likeable when he’s a bit older is seemingly OK — even though Killmonger won the traditional battle fair and square. Though morally completely inconsistent, it does remain very consistent with the already mentioned dichotomy of the ‘good’ (pristine African) blacks and ‘bad’ (hoody) blacks. And of course, the ‘bad’ blacks by definition want to take over the world because they hate whites — so they have to be stopped, no matter what tradition or morality dictates.

The colonial undertone should be clear: ‘Africans are stuck in their traditions. They should abandon them, because power is what truly makes the world go round.’

10. The dominance of the underlying myth of the hero: The most classical structure of probably 99% of all blockbuster Hollywood movies is the classical ‘myth of the hero’. The hero who first felt small but received support from a wise man; the hero who travels and conquers dangers; the hero who confronts his darkest fears in an epic battle for evil; the hero who not only saves himself but also the world. Although it’s a universal story, in modern Western culture it’s so dominant that it seemingly became the only way to tell an exciting story. Just compare, for example, Disney hits with, for example, some Japanese anime hits from studio Gibli. The latter are full of more Buddhist themes and as such often stray from the typical myth of the hero pattern. In various African cultures as well, other mythical patterns and archetypes can be found in the traditional storytelling. However, Black Panther is, from start to finish, the purest form of the hero myth. Even the previous Avenger movies such as The Winter Soldier and Civil War breached the pattern more (having the superheroes fighting each other). Yet in Black Panther there’s no single cultural change or breach of this subconscious hero pattern. As a result, there’s also no trace whatsoever of philosophical concepts like Ubuntu or the morality underlying the well-known South-African truth-commissions. There is only one simple plot: a dualism of good vs. evil and a hero who saves the day because he fights bravely and eventually crushes evil in an antagonistic fight.

11. The Westernization of Wakanda as a result of the hero myth: Eventually the journey of the hero leads to Wakanda becoming a ‘modern state’ like Western states. After the fights have been settled and all is said and done, Wakanda becomes more open (read: less protectionist and thus more neoliberal). It also portrays a tendency to go and ‘save others’ through outreach programs. All in all then, the whole ‘technological advancement’ of Wakanda was nothing but a shallow layer. Eventually the story is still about a ‘not so modern’ country that needs to be ‘modernized’ by a King more in contact with the West.

And finally, the most disconcerting xenophobic and nationalist issues

12. The supremacy of nationalism: Just like any other successful blockbuster, the cinematic tension isn’t simply built on the action and special effects, but also on a couple of moral dilemmas which define the relationships between the protagonists and ignite the dynamics of the story. The first moral dilemma in Black Panther, which surfaces in various forms, is between love for a person and love for a nation. One example is how T’Challa and Nakia apparently can’t marry because of T’Challa’s loyalty to his kingdom and Nakia’s wish to help those outside the country. They only find a solution in T’Challa giving state subsidies to Nakia’s work. A second and even more explicit example is played out between Okoye and W’Kabi. Which of the two types of love should be held high is made most obvious when they confront each other in battle: “You would kill me my love?” W’Kabi asks. Okoye unflinchingly answers: “For Wakanda? Without question.” Hence, nationalism is the main ideology of Wakandans. The nation state is supreme and should receive the highest love of its citizens. Even though the concept of nation states is a product of modern, Western culture, the question is never asked what a traditional Wakandan view of society might be. Nationalist ideals are taken for granted and they’re only threatened when Wakandans fall in love or when they ‘relapse’ into tribalism.

13. The antagonism of state and race: The second moral dilemma which surfaces throughout the movie is between ‘loyalty to the state’ and ‘being the leader of ‘the cause’ — the cause being ‘the effort to save other blacks’. In short: a dilemma between state and race. Apparently Wakanda doesn’t have any other cultural or traditional approach to these matters. The elite of the country hold very similar ideas as white nationalist elites which have a long history of societal dilemmas between ‘protecting their country’ and ‘protecting mankind from barbarians/primitive races/terrorists/…’

The nation state is supreme and should receive the highest love of its citizens. Even though the concept of nation states is a product of modern, Western culture, the question is never asked what a traditional Wakandan view of society might be. Nationalist ideals are taken for granted and they’re only threatened when Wakandans fall in love or when they ‘relapse’ into tribalism.

14. The projection of typical white xenophobic fears: Following from the two previous moral dilemmas, the typical xenophobia of Western whites has been fully projected onto blacks. The Wakandan elites don’t want to open the borders of their country for refugees because they want to preserve the ‘purity’ of their pristine country and culture. It even instituted Frontex and USBP style border patrols. There actually aren’t many blockbuster movies where such a contemporary form of xenophobia (rampant in Europe and the US) is so explicitly, consistently and straightforwardly portrayed. Yet once it does take center stage and becomes a central part of the critique within an action movie aimed at a broad public, apparently it’s something black people are culpable of. (Also interesting in this respect: in all their fear to preserve their ‘pristine’ Wakandan nature and culture, apparently their technological advancements are of no concern whatsoever. For some magical reason, their technology simply doesn’t seem to have any impact on their nature or culture. I guess vibranium is by definition ‘clean vibranium’ — just like Tump’s mythical concept of ‘clean coal’.)

15. The blackwashed white savior complex: When a solution for the dilemmas of ‘personal relations’ vs. ‘state loyalty’ and ‘race’ vs. ‘state’ is eventually found, that solution exists in ‘outreach’. Why not truly open Wakanda, bring in all the refugees and show that another society is possible? Why not start sharing knowledge and technology with other African countries to make them economically stronger and thus break the true strength of the former colonialists and current neocolonialists? No, the only option is to act exactly like the (neo)colonizer: take pity with a group of downtrodden people in a faraway country, collect some money ‘for the poor’ and then missionize, patronize and civilize. As such, the outreach programs are also by definition oriented on blacks who are in need of help (the ‘bad blacks from the hood’ who need to be turned into ‘good blacks’), even though Wakanda could just as well start outreach programs among whites, for example, to decolonize their minds.

So, to conclude
Sure, representation in Hollywood matters. Sure, we need more black heroes. Sure, we need more strong female characters. But in the end, Black Panther is nothing but a racist, colonial, xenophobic movie. It’s a distinctly Western technology worshipping myth of the hero. It’s blackwashed white nationalism.

So now the hype has gone, perhaps it’s time for some thorough analysis and criticism. No, we shouldn’t applaud this type of movie because it has some cool black women warriors and a shiny afrofuturist Panther King. Quite the contrary, we should strongly resist such neoliberal efforts to commodify, commercialize and privatize the anti-racist struggle.


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Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Ezyo on August 12, 2020, 01:15:44 pm
Ooooof.. that's.. a BIG ooof. I couldn't even get through that list it was so cringey and the story went over their head... Hard
Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: BlindWedjat on August 12, 2020, 02:05:49 pm
Why am I not surprised that is from a Dutch website lol.
Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Emperorjones on August 12, 2020, 05:11:58 pm
With comics, along with other pop culture entertainment these days, I feel caught between two extremes. I'm not a fan of the  idea that entertainment should not be 'political' and that diversity automatically is bad, 'forced', or is "SJW", though on the other hand, I'm not a fan of some of the political and social agendas I do feel are being put into entertainment today. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is a great illustration of these extremes for me. Star Trek: Picard is another. As has Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther. I feel that both extremes are shackling or erasing black characters, and by proxy, black audiences. We are caught up in a white pop culture civil war/culture civil war.
Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Ture on August 12, 2020, 08:00:58 pm
I remember hearing comments like this before the movie even came out. I even attended an after movie discussion at which the confusion to express one's opinion on how exploitative the Marvel company was in producing the Black Panther that it bordered on insanity. Fortunately for every one of those there were literally thousands singing its praises and millions that were uplifted.

This also reminds me of some of the flack Beyonce is getting from certain quarters on her visual album Black is King. At times there appears to be some anti Afrakan sentiment behind those kinds of criticisms.

I feel you on being caught between the extremes Emperorjones.
Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Vic Vega on August 17, 2020, 03:20:41 am
Look I lived thru the 80's and pretty much every film back then didn't hide its pro imperialistic message.

Just look at Stallone's body of work. Hell even the Star Wars prequels were supposed to be an anti Bush allegory, but peeps were so unhappy with the movies that they didn't care what Lucas was trying to say about the Bush Administration they were just wondering what he was trying to say about the Jedi ( which is par for the course).

All movies ( and all art period ) are political but it's only an issue when the viewer doesn't like the message.

Anyone remember hom much mileage Marvel and DC got our of their very special "Drugs are Bad" issues back in the day?

Everyone does message stuff.

For anyone claiming Black Panther's message is somehow problematic while ignoring that the Iron Man and Batman films posit that it would be best to allow the driven rich guys run everything is simply hypocritical. And racist on its face, imo.

Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Battle on August 17, 2020, 06:12:35 am
>>> Vic Vega





Well said.
Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Emperorjones on August 18, 2020, 05:30:12 am
I remember hearing comments like this before the movie even came out. I even attended an after movie discussion at which the confusion to express one's opinion on how exploitative the Marvel company was in producing the Black Panther that it bordered on insanity. Fortunately for every one of those there were literally thousands singing its praises and millions that were uplifted.

This also reminds me of some of the flack Beyonce is getting from certain quarters on her visual album Black is King. At times there appears to be some anti Afrakan sentiment behind those kinds of criticisms.

I feel you on being caught between the extremes Emperorjones.


I'm glad you mentioned Black Is King. I saw it. I thought it was okay, not her strongest music, but sounded good enough for the film. It had some amazing visuals though I thought it needed more dialogue and better developed characters. I was curious to see what continental Africans thought about it because that's where I've seen some of the flak coming from, or I assume is coming from the continent. The claim that Beyonce is stereotyping Africa, that she isn't really depicting Africa as it is today and is going for more of a magical, mystical, and Wakandization of Africa.

Unfortunately I don't have enough knowledge or understanding of the continent to really grasp the all the things I'm sure Beyonce had in that film and I can't really say that the detractors are wrong. I don't know. I can say that I do think that the idea of overplaying the hood or leaning on black stereotypes in American rap videos is not uncommon so I can imagine there is some validity in what the detractors are saying.

That being said, I also see on social media a kind of disdain from far too many non-black Americans toward black Americans. Some claim that black Americans are solely at fault but aren't seeing how their how words and behavior create divides or add to the divides. I don't think Beyonce was intending to insult continental Africans or disparage Africa with Black Is King. I think she was seeking to reconnect, to try to depict Africa and its peoples, our peoples, as beautiful and wondrous. Perhaps she leaned too much into shantytowns and stuff like that, but I'm not sure. I would like some enlightenment on this.

I was wondering if some of the same folks would have the same smoke if say Taylor Swift had done Black Is King, and Swift did get some pushback for her video that took place in Africa, so there is that, though I can't say it's as much as Beyonce is getting for Black Is King, but I didn't look that deeply into it either. My suspicion still is that continental Africans, like many black people around the world, are much more accepting of how white people portray them than they are when fellow blacks get the opportunity to do so.

The other side of it is that Beyonce might have gotten it for not acknowledging Africa or blacks around the world either if she had say done Black Is King and focused on black Americans in Africa or black Americans period.

Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: supreme illuminati on August 18, 2020, 12:42:38 pm
Look I lived thru the 80's and pretty much every film back then didn't hide its pro imperialistic message.

Just look at Stallone's body of work. Hell even the Star Wars prequels were supposed to be an anti Bush allegory, but peeps were so unhappy with the movies that they didn't care what Lucas was trying to say about the Bush Administration they were just wondering what he was trying to say about the Jedi ( which is par for the course).

All movies ( and all art period ) are political but it's only an issue when the viewer doesn't like the message.

Anyone remember hom much mileage Marvel and DC got our of their very special "Drugs are Bad" issues back in the day?

Everyone does message stuff.

For anyone claiming Black Panther's message is somehow problematic while ignoring that the Iron Man and Batman films posit that it would be best to allow the driven rich guys run everything is simply hypocritical. And racist on its face, imo.



I was born in 1970. The messages were even more blatant in that era than in the '80's. I entirely concur with Vic. Btw, whassup, man? Haven't seen you in a minnit. Where you been?
For some time I ignored or gave a cursory once over to articles I thought were unnecessarily deriding the Black Panther movie but now... well into the era of BP dominance, it might be fun to take a look see with my fellow BP enthusiasts.

15 reasons why Black Panther is a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie

Black Panther was greatly hyped as a ground breaking action movie that redefined the representation of black people in Hollywood. Yet perhaps it’s time for some thorough analysis and criticism. There's a whole list of reasons why Black Panther doesn't really challenge the norms and instead amplifies prejudices and stereotypes. Even more so: its underlying message is, in many ways, quite problematic.

By Jonas Slaats

A couple of weeks after the great hype had toned down, I finally went to see Black Panther. Intrigued as I was about the grand way in which the movie was hailed as some sort of liberation theology for black people, I refused to read any reviews and let the movie speak for itself. Could it really live up to the proposed breach of ‘Hollywood whiteness’? Was it truly such a “dope-ass black movie” as anti-racist television personality Trevor Noah made it seem to be in his Daily Show? Or was it yet another bizarre twist of consumer culture that lured people into thinking this was a norm changing movie even though it actually offered an overdose of those norms?

As it turned out, the latter was the case. With every minute of movie, my sense of disbelief became greater and finally ended in the certainty that this was a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie.

Surfing around on the net afterwards, I quickly realized I wasn’t alone. For example, an article by Kenian political cartoonist Patrick Gathara on the website of the Washington Post, offered some very relevant, thorough arguments. It described how “at heart, it is a movie about a divided, tribalized continent, discovered by a white man who wants nothing more than to take its mineral resources, a continent run by a wealthy, power-hungry, feuding and feudalist elite, where a nation with the most advanced tech and weapons in the world nonetheless has no thinkers to develop systems of transitioning rulership that do not involve lethal combat or coup d’etat.”

Gathara goes on to explain how Black Panther, with a typical Victorian slant, portrays Africans as primitive yet in harmony with
nature, not faced by the complexities of modernity; how the Wakandans technological advancement, apparently still doesn’t make them sophisticated enough to prevent a single American from overtaking the country; and how it thus eventually tells a neocolonial story about somewhat childish people who need a strong guiding hand to lead them.

As Kif Kif predominantly publishes Dutch articles,
our English articles can also be read on our English only Medium magazine.

As such, it’s painful to see how blinding a shiny neoliberal story about ‘triumphing blackness’ can be. Give people some feel-good popcorn and any critical analysis, seems to be thrown into the trashcan faster than anyone can even gobble up the Kool-Aid. So, to strengthen the case of an alternative view, I simply would like to add the following list of 15 reasons why Black Panther is rather problematic.

First, the obvious things…

1. The bluntly racist images: Not only does the movie end with African tribes fighting each other with spears, clubs and machetes but the men of the ‘strong tribe’ in Wakanda dress like monkeys and literally make oo-oo-oo sounds. Sure, the latter might perhaps be part of the original comics as well, but that doesn’t imply one is obliged to transfer the exact same imagery to the movie. If someone were to make a movie of Tintin in Africa and used the same old imagery ‘because the comic portrayed Africans in that way’, we’d all take offence and rightfully so because the images from that comic book are now considered to be racist. In a very similar manner the portrayal of M’Baku in the original Black Panther comics has also been problematic from the start.

2. The duality of ‘good blacks’ vs. ‘bad blacks’: The good guys are authentic, pristine Africans, who still live in harmony with nature. The bad guy is your typical ‘black boy from the hood’. As such, tapping deep into the typical colonial imagery of the ‘unspoiled primitive’ the ‘good’ black is the romanticized and completely idealized black. The ‘bad black’, on the other hand, is simply the contemporary and ‘real life’ black American.

3. The comparisons with the Lion King: The narrative similarities with the Lion King are painfully obvious: the king of the pristine and glorious land, is betrayed by his Uncle/Nephew, after which the new king is banished, yet he returns and with the help of his lioness(es) and warrior monkey(s), he’s saved. It only lacked a remix of the song The Circle of Life to make the message complete: Africa = savanna.

4. The crude portrayal of voodoo and its importance for the story: What makes Black Panther so strong is not his skill or his brains. (In fact, when ‘simply human’ he loses the fight quite often.) Rather, what makes him strong is some sort of voodoo trick involving plants, shamanism and a drug which makes your veins literally black as if you’re possessed by a Demon — which eventually the Black Panther is, since you can just as well ‘exorcise’ him with some counter-voodoo. And of course, the viewer won’t find any references to deeper philosophy, mythology or theology of genuine Ifá. No, the viewer only gets to see the crudest archetypical Hollywood portrayal of voodoo-as-black-magic.

Then, the somewhat more hidden stuff

5. The strange message of the futuristic element: There is no need to attack the genuine cultural phenomenon of afrofuturism at large, but what I found at least a bit bizarre from the start of the Black Panther hype was the craze for the fact that finally there was a movie about blacks who were technologically advanced. When the whole movie is about a mysterious country that pretends to be poor and outwardly projects a typical image of a third world country while underneath its surface lies some incredibly advanced technology, the eventual message simply seems to be this: “See, underneath every seemingly primitive African hides a (possible) modern Westerner!”

6. The contrasting morality of blacks and whites: All black protagonists are morally ambivalent. King T’Chaka, is a good king and father but hides his mistake, general Okoye is very loyal but because of her loyalty goes through a conflict of conscience when Killmonger takes over, the border guard W’Kabi is strong and adamant, but eventually chooses to follow Killmonger when the latter comes to power, king T’Challa has a good and wise heart but has many doubts throughout the movie. Even N’Jobu, who betrayed king T’Chaka, only did so because he was genuinely aggrieved by the plight of African Americans. The same is true for his son: he’s power hungry and aggressive yet also hides a deep love for his father and upholds a sincere wish to free ‘his people’. The only non-ambivalent characters are the two whites. Ulysses is pure evil and Everett is pure goodness. Concerning the latter, even though he’s a CIA agent, his motives are never questioned, his past is irrelevant and his dominant personality trait is one of ‘cute naive innocence’. He not only selflessly saves a life half way through the movie, but in the end also saves the world (since he stops the war planes from reaching their destination).

The only non-ambivalent characters are the two whites.

7. The seemingly subversive but eventually not so impressive flips of gender roles: In Wakanda, women are seemingly strong. But eventually there’s no question whatsoever that the men are the kings and the women (even when they’re fierce warriors or genius scientific whizz-kids) are on a constant lookout for a man who can help them. As such, general Okoye still needs the guidance of a righteous leader and princess Shuri needs someone to fly her plane. The only ones taking matters truly into their own hands (i.e. without following orders or loyalties) are men.

8. The role of vibranium (and how it’s the only thing that makes Wakanda ‘advanced’): When Wakanda is an advanced technological country, it’s not because of their inherent intelligence or their approach to society. It’s a ‘coincidence’ and has everything to do with a special resource: vibranium. (It’s also taken for granted they do not wish to share this resource with the rest of the world and that as such it will not only lead to technological advancement but also to conflict.)

9. The convoluted relation between tradition and power: In Wakanda, the traditions of old are seemingly revered as holy. But when the King loses in a fair fight, all of the sudden, anything goes. He can breach traditions and retake his power simply because he’s ‘the good guy’. So eventually there is no sanctity of tradition at all. It’s simply about power. The colonial undertone should be clear: ‘Africans are stuck in their traditions. They should abandon them, because power is what truly makes the world go round.’ This becomes amply clear in T’Challa’s relation with Killmonger. One of T’Challa’s great grievances is the fact that his father left a Wakandan kid behind in ‘the hood’ and did not try to save him from his lot (which, of course, could apparently do nothing but make him aggressive). Yet killing that same kid simply because he’s not likeable when he’s a bit older is seemingly OK — even though Killmonger won the traditional battle fair and square. Though morally completely inconsistent, it does remain very consistent with the already mentioned dichotomy of the ‘good’ (pristine African) blacks and ‘bad’ (hoody) blacks. And of course, the ‘bad’ blacks by definition want to take over the world because they hate whites — so they have to be stopped, no matter what tradition or morality dictates.

The colonial undertone should be clear: ‘Africans are stuck in their traditions. They should abandon them, because power is what truly makes the world go round.’

10. The dominance of the underlying myth of the hero: The most classical structure of probably 99% of all blockbuster Hollywood movies is the classical ‘myth of the hero’. The hero who first felt small but received support from a wise man; the hero who travels and conquers dangers; the hero who confronts his darkest fears in an epic battle for evil; the hero who not only saves himself but also the world. Although it’s a universal story, in modern Western culture it’s so dominant that it seemingly became the only way to tell an exciting story. Just compare, for example, Disney hits with, for example, some Japanese anime hits from studio Gibli. The latter are full of more Buddhist themes and as such often stray from the typical myth of the hero pattern. In various African cultures as well, other mythical patterns and archetypes can be found in the traditional storytelling. However, Black Panther is, from start to finish, the purest form of the hero myth. Even the previous Avenger movies such as The Winter Soldier and Civil War breached the pattern more (having the superheroes fighting each other). Yet in Black Panther there’s no single cultural change or breach of this subconscious hero pattern. As a result, there’s also no trace whatsoever of philosophical concepts like Ubuntu or the morality underlying the well-known South-African truth-commissions. There is only one simple plot: a dualism of good vs. evil and a hero who saves the day because he fights bravely and eventually crushes evil in an antagonistic fight.

11. The Westernization of Wakanda as a result of the hero myth: Eventually the journey of the hero leads to Wakanda becoming a ‘modern state’ like Western states. After the fights have been settled and all is said and done, Wakanda becomes more open (read: less protectionist and thus more neoliberal). It also portrays a tendency to go and ‘save others’ through outreach programs. All in all then, the whole ‘technological advancement’ of Wakanda was nothing but a shallow layer. Eventually the story is still about a ‘not so modern’ country that needs to be ‘modernized’ by a King more in contact with the West.

And finally, the most disconcerting xenophobic and nationalist issues

12. The supremacy of nationalism: Just like any other successful blockbuster, the cinematic tension isn’t simply built on the action and special effects, but also on a couple of moral dilemmas which define the relationships between the protagonists and ignite the dynamics of the story. The first moral dilemma in Black Panther, which surfaces in various forms, is between love for a person and love for a nation. One example is how T’Challa and Nakia apparently can’t marry because of T’Challa’s loyalty to his kingdom and Nakia’s wish to help those outside the country. They only find a solution in T’Challa giving state subsidies to Nakia’s work. A second and even more explicit example is played out between Okoye and W’Kabi. Which of the two types of love should be held high is made most obvious when they confront each other in battle: “You would kill me my love?” W’Kabi asks. Okoye unflinchingly answers: “For Wakanda? Without question.” Hence, nationalism is the main ideology of Wakandans. The nation state is supreme and should receive the highest love of its citizens. Even though the concept of nation states is a product of modern, Western culture, the question is never asked what a traditional Wakandan view of society might be. Nationalist ideals are taken for granted and they’re only threatened when Wakandans fall in love or when they ‘relapse’ into tribalism.

13. The antagonism of state and race: The second moral dilemma which surfaces throughout the movie is between ‘loyalty to the state’ and ‘being the leader of ‘the cause’ — the cause being ‘the effort to save other blacks’. In short: a dilemma between state and race. Apparently Wakanda doesn’t have any other cultural or traditional approach to these matters. The elite of the country hold very similar ideas as white nationalist elites which have a long history of societal dilemmas between ‘protecting their country’ and ‘protecting mankind from barbarians/primitive races/terrorists/…’

The nation state is supreme and should receive the highest love of its citizens. Even though the concept of nation states is a product of modern, Western culture, the question is never asked what a traditional Wakandan view of society might be. Nationalist ideals are taken for granted and they’re only threatened when Wakandans fall in love or when they ‘relapse’ into tribalism.

14. The projection of typical white xenophobic fears: Following from the two previous moral dilemmas, the typical xenophobia of Western whites has been fully projected onto blacks. The Wakandan elites don’t want to open the borders of their country for refugees because they want to preserve the ‘purity’ of their pristine country and culture. It even instituted Frontex and USBP style border patrols. There actually aren’t many blockbuster movies where such a contemporary form of xenophobia (rampant in Europe and the US) is so explicitly, consistently and straightforwardly portrayed. Yet once it does take center stage and becomes a central part of the critique within an action movie aimed at a broad public, apparently it’s something black people are culpable of. (Also interesting in this respect: in all their fear to preserve their ‘pristine’ Wakandan nature and culture, apparently their technological advancements are of no concern whatsoever. For some magical reason, their technology simply doesn’t seem to have any impact on their nature or culture. I guess vibranium is by definition ‘clean vibranium’ — just like Tump’s mythical concept of ‘clean coal’.)

15. The blackwashed white savior complex: When a solution for the dilemmas of ‘personal relations’ vs. ‘state loyalty’ and ‘race’ vs. ‘state’ is eventually found, that solution exists in ‘outreach’. Why not truly open Wakanda, bring in all the refugees and show that another society is possible? Why not start sharing knowledge and technology with other African countries to make them economically stronger and thus break the true strength of the former colonialists and current neocolonialists? No, the only option is to act exactly like the (neo)colonizer: take pity with a group of downtrodden people in a faraway country, collect some money ‘for the poor’ and then missionize, patronize and civilize. As such, the outreach programs are also by definition oriented on blacks who are in need of help (the ‘bad blacks from the hood’ who need to be turned into ‘good blacks’), even though Wakanda could just as well start outreach programs among whites, for example, to decolonize their minds.

So, to conclude
Sure, representation in Hollywood matters. Sure, we need more black heroes. Sure, we need more strong female characters. But in the end, Black Panther is nothing but a racist, colonial, xenophobic movie. It’s a distinctly Western technology worshipping myth of the hero. It’s blackwashed white nationalism.

So now the hype has gone, perhaps it’s time for some thorough analysis and criticism. No, we shouldn’t applaud this type of movie because it has some cool black women warriors and a shiny afrofuturist Panther King. Quite the contrary, we should strongly resist such neoliberal efforts to commodify, commercialize and privatize the anti-racist struggle.


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Brother Ture, I too did very much what you did. Scan the article, see the BP diss, stop scanning the article and do something else.

Had I seen this article? I might. Might. Maaayyybeee. Have been encouraged to write a 15 Point counterargument and send it to his paper or whatever, because this fool...descendant of Dutch colonizers...completely missed the point. And so did all the other fools who empathize with or concur with him.
Title: Re: BP Op-Ed Was Black Panther a nationalist, xenophobic, colonial and racist movie?
Post by: Ezyo on August 18, 2020, 02:36:14 pm
The minute they compared BP to the Lion King is when I was done. Like I said in my previous post, it was a big ooof over the writers head and especially with that point (because really the only thing it has in common with Lion King is that it takes place in Africa and a royal family) because it's just as ignorant ad all the other clueless people out there trying to compare it based on nothing except "iTs aFriCa ItS alL tHE sAmE"
Title: Re: BP Op-Black Panther Surges On Amazon & Apple In Wake Of Chadwick Boseman's Death
Post by: Ture on August 30, 2020, 01:33:31 pm
Black Panther’ Surges On Amazon And Apple Charts In Wake Of Chadwick Boseman Death
By Bruce Haring August 30, 2020, 3:04 PM EDT

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Renewed interest in 2018’s Black Panther has emerged in the wake of the death of film star Chadwick Boseman on Friday.

The film is now in the top five most popular films on Apple and Amazon charts. The film is also being shown on TBS and ABC tonight, and is streaming on Disney+.

Black Panther is at No. 3 on Amazon’s best-selling movies list on Sunday morning, trailing only the new Bill & Ted Face the Music.

On Apple, Black Panther is No. 4 on the best-seller list, just behind another Chadwick Boseman film, 2013’s 42, the story of baseball pioneer Jackie Robinson. No. 1 Was Bill and Ted Face The Music and No. 2 was The King of Staten Island.

Black Panther, which joined Disney+ in the spring, is now in the service’s top carousel window. It carries the message, “In remembrance of Chadwick Boseman.”

Fellow Disney property ABC will broadcast a primetime Black Panther tonight at 8 PM ET/PT. After the film, an ABC News special titled Chadwick Boseman — A Tribute for a King follows, documeting the actor’s life and career.

TBS airs Black Panther tonight for the second night at 8 PM ET/PT.
Title: Re: BP Op-Black Panther Surges On Amazon & Apple In Wake Of Chadwick Boseman's Death
Post by: Ture on September 02, 2020, 03:42:28 pm
Why Chadwick Boseman’s fight for African accents in ‘Black Panther’ was so important

Opinion by Karen Attiah Global Opinions editor

In an emotional tribute to actor Chadwick Boseman, who passed away on Friday at the age of 43, director Ryan Coogler revealed the moment that he knew he wanted to make “Black Panther.” It was while watching Boseman act in an unfinished cut of “Captain America: Civil War” — speaking his lines in Xhosa with South African actor John Kani.

“Chad and John began conversing in a language I had never heard before,” Coogler said. “It sounded familiar, full of the same clicks and smacks that young black children would make in the States. The same clicks that we would often be chided for being disrespectful or improper. But, it had a musicality to it that felt ancient, powerful, and African.”

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Boseman’s commitment to speaking Xhosa on camera was one of the reasons Coogler signed on to direct the film. It was just one way Boseman helped show that centering Africanness — putting African aesthetics, language and accents front and center — is a fight worth having.

It was only after his death that the world learned that Boseman had been fighting colon cancer for four years, including while playing T’Challa. Alongside his health battles, he was fighting Marvel itself to ensure Africa wasn’t presented through a colonial lens. In 2018, he told the Hollywood Reporter that Marvel initially thought that the accents would be “too much.” “I felt the exact opposite — like, if I speak with a British accent, what’s gonna happen when I go home? It felt to me like a deal-breaker,” he said. “I was like, ‘No, this is such an important factor that if we lose this right now, what else are we gonna throw away for the sake of making people feel comfortable?”

In choosing to fight for African accents, Boseman was fighting against the legacies of colonialism. The fictional kingdom of Wakanda is supposed to be a powerful African nation, one that is self-sufficient — a representation of what could have been if African nations had not been colonized and plundered for their resources by outside powers. Marvel would have undermined one of the central motifs of “Black Panther” if it had gotten its way and forced its actors to adopt British accents, to mimic the tongue of one of Africa’s most powerful colonizers.

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Boseman worked with a dialect coach for his role, to take on a Xhosa accent to match the heritage of Kani, who played his father, T’Chaka, in the films. Kenyan actress Lupita Nyong’o spoke in her native Kenyan accent. The other accents were “all over the place” as Kenyan journalist Larry Madowo said at the time. “They wanted to base the accents on Xhosa from South Africa, but some of it sounded Nigerian, others sounded more Ugandan. It was very confusing, and I understand perfecting an accent is difficult, but oh, my goodness, it was so messy!”

As a first-generation American with roots in Ghana, I recognize what Boseman did to champion a fantasy rendering of Africanness on a big screen may have been messy to our ears. But it was important for global Black culture. Back in 2009, when I lived in Accra, Ghana, as a media researcher, I remember attending radio journalism classes where the instructors lectured aspiring radio presenters in the class to approximate the accent of Queen’s English. (The instructors tried to correct my American accent, too). The message they were sending was clear: To be seen as authoritative, respectable, worthy of being listened to, you needed to speak in the same accent as the very people who helped to subjugate Ghanaians.

“Black Panther” is proof that isn’t true. And today, more and more Black creators of African heritage are finding their way onto the big and small screen, and bringing African accents and languages with them.

It was affirming to see that, in the brilliant and provocative HBO series “I May Destroy You,” the main character, Arabella, played by the show’s writer and creator Michaela Coel, goes home to her Ghanaian household, where her mother speaks Twi and Twi-accented English. Arabella’s brother even teases her for not knowing enough of her own language. On television, the American sitcom “Bob Hearts Abishola” is about a White man who falls in love with a Nigerian nurse. My mother, who grew up in Nigeria, always tries to catch the show when it comes on, chuffed to see Nigerian accents and immigrant culture represented on an American sitcom.

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“Black Panther” now holds its place in history as one of the most successful superhero movies of all time, grossing more than $1 billion in global box office sales. But to many of us, Boseman and Coogler’s artistic commitment to centering Africanness was the true victory. It’s why Boseman’s sudden death hurts so much in this moment. When icons and heroes pass on, it is always painful. But it feels especially cruel to lose Boseman so suddenly in a year in which the fight for Black life and against white supremacy has gone global.

Our Black Panther has gone to be with the ancestors. But we can take comfort that Boseman opened a portal, proving that future stories rooted in Africanness and Blackness deserve to be fought for.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/01/why-chadwick-bosemans-fight-african-accents-black-panther-was-so-important/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/01/why-chadwick-bosemans-fight-african-accents-black-panther-was-so-important/)
Title: Re: BP OP-Boseman’s fight for African accents in ‘Black Panther’ was so important
Post by: Ezyo on September 03, 2020, 09:23:47 am
There is so much out there about what Chadwick was doing and has done, from turning down equity deals because he didn't want to hurt the BP Brand for black children, to how he approached roles, Cooglers tribute to him, MBJs. The man was/is a walking role model, the more I read, the more it hurts or know just what kind of person we lost to frakking cancer. Dude was so aware and literally living in year 3000s
Title: Re: BP OP-Boseman’s fight for African accents in ‘Black Panther’ was so important
Post by: Ture on September 06, 2020, 12:03:25 pm
Africans Mourn Chadwick Boseman: 'A Great Tree Has Fallen'
By Ifeanyi Nsofor

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The death of actor Chadwick Boseman last week at the age of 43 came as a shock to many Africans. I liken it to the death of a great African King. In my Igbo culture, when a great king passes on, we say, "Oke osisi adaala n'obodo," which means "a great tree has fallen in the land." It is a rare occurrence for great trees to fall. However, the fall is also not the end of the tree because its deep roots ensures it keeps sending out new sprouts.

Boseman's life is like that. Part of him will continue to live on through his films and inspire us, especially his role as King T'Challa in Black Panther.

The 2018 film was a hit across Africa. The fictional country of Wakanda, which was depicted in the movie as the most technologically advanced society in the world, was the nation that Africans wish they had. The film reminded us of what is possible for African countries – and how our continent could be powerful and respected.

I recall how excited Africans were to watch the film. In Ghana, people were dancing, drumming and wearing traditional clothing at the premiere. The former vice president of Nigeria took his family on a special outing to see the film. Others provided viewing opportunities to those who could not afford it. My friend Angela Ochu Baiye, a 2019 Mandela Washington fellow for the Young African Leaders Initiative, was so moved by Black Panther that she raised funds and took 200 children from poor communities to watch the movie at a cinema in Abuja, Nigeria. "To see yourself represented in fiction, especially through a lead character, is meaningful and profoundly empowering beyond words," she wrote on her social media.

Boseman's unexpected death has left Africans feeling as if we have lost one of ours. Indeed, he was one of us. During a 2018 interview on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Boseman acknowledged his African lineage. His family is from the Yoruba people, one of Nigeria's largest tribes, and the Limba, who come from Sierra Leone. He said his African background was one of his influences for making Black Panther more human. He succeeded in making the character someone we all wish we knew.

Africans have been sharing tributes to Boseman across social media. It's a reflection of how beloved he is on the continent. Nigerian Stephanie Busari, CNN's supervising producer for Africa, tweeted, "Chadwick Boseman will never know how much we loved him. Battling colon cancer, shooting films in between bouts of chemo and surgery. What amazing strength. He once said: 'The struggles along the way are only meant to shape you for your purpose.' Rest on King. Long live T'challa!"

South African activist Bele Nanotshe tweeted: "I would like to send my deepest condolences to Chadwick Boseman family and friends. On behalf of South Africa, I say we are proud of you and your achievements and the genuine manner in which you portrayed Pan Africanism in Black Panther movie. Rest in peace. We will indeed miss u my bro."

African corporations have also found ways to honor Boseman's death. On Aug. 31, the TV network M-Net Movies, in collaboration with Marvel Studios, aired Black Panther on one of its mainstream channels to share the film with a wide African audience.

In Africa and beyond, Boseman's death also has brought global attention to colon cancer. Many are amazed how the actor handled the disease with superpower attributes. Despite his diagnosis at age 39, he continued acting. I am hoping for a Chadwick Boseman effect that would lead to an increase in screenings for colon cancer, similar to the Jane Goody effect. After the British reality TV star died from cervical cancer in 2009, the U.K. saw a surge in cervical cancer screenings.

In mourning Chadwick's death, Dr. Zainab Shinkafi Bagudu, a Nigerian board member of the Union for International Cancer Control, reminds all that "Cancer is constantly in our faces; regardless of age, sex or ethnicity. It seems to beat even those with the best hospitals and access to care. We must not despair. We have to remain vigilant, watch for early signs and live a healthy lifestyle."

Runcie Chidebe, a Nigerian cancer control advocate sent me this statement: "The U.S. and global cancer control must consider reviewing the screening age for colon cancer. Chadwick's diagnoses at 39 is not unique. In Nigeria, we have seen 30-year-olds diagnosed of colon cancer."

Indeed, the greatest tribute that Africa can give to Boseman is to ensure there are no more untimely deaths from colon cancer on the continent. African governments must increase access to preventative and curative services for colon cancer and other cancers. Sadly, the current access to prevention and treatment of cancers is abysmal in sub-Saharan Africa. As of 2019, Nigeria had just 4 cancer treatment centers for an estimated population of 200 million. For this population, Nigeria would require at least 170 cancer treatment centers, according to the World Health Organization.

As Africans, we have to hold our governments accountable to prevent and treat cancers. Moreover, with COVID-19 raging globally and cancers being risk factors for severe illness in those infected, there is no time to waste.

As Africans, we take solace in what King T'Challa said in Black Panther: "In my culture, death is not the end."

We believe he lives on. We are stronger now that such a great king has transited to become one of our ancestors, watching over us. We will be strong. We will live like the Black Panther.

Ifeanyi Nsofor is the director of policy and advocacy at a health group called Nigeria Health Watch and Senior New Voices Fellow at the Aspen Institute.


https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/09/01/908471876/africans-mourn-chadwick-boseman-a-great-tree-has-fallen (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/09/01/908471876/africans-mourn-chadwick-boseman-a-great-tree-has-fallen)
Title: Re: BP OP- STORMZY - SUPERHEROES video
Post by: Ture on September 09, 2020, 11:25:47 am
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Play it from here.
https://youtu.be/q-EW4-B11hw (https://youtu.be/q-EW4-B11hw)
courtesy of CBR's Pumbaa
Title: Re: BP OP- STORMZY - SUPERHEROES video
Post by: Ezyo on September 09, 2020, 04:28:18 pm
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Play it from here.
https://youtu.be/q-EW4-B11hw (https://youtu.be/q-EW4-B11hw)
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This was very powerful, I thoroughly enjoyed it
Title: Re: BP OP- STORMZY - SUPERHEROES video
Post by: Ture on September 13, 2020, 03:05:33 pm
This is who fans want to replace Chadwick Boseman as the Black Panther
By Chris Smith

One of the obvious choices would be to recast a different actor as T’Challa/Black Panther. But it’s unlikely that fans would appreciate such a move. It would also be incredibly difficult for a different actor to accept the role. Boseman is T’Challa, and his Black Panther should be honored by not giving the part to a different actor, even if Boseman’s passing causes issues for Marvel’s plans.

full article
https://bgr.com/2020/09/13/marvel-movies-black-panther-2-chadwick-boseman-replacement-options/

What Should Come Next for Black Panther after Loss of Boseman
Reuters news agency reported this story. Alice Bryant

Writers, professors and activists spoke to Reuters news agency about the cultural importance of the movie and Boseman’s performance. Some said Marvel should honor Boseman by retiring the character of T’Challa and choosing another character to name as Black Panther.

full article
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/what-should-come-next-for-black-panther-after-loss-of-boseman/5575842.html

Disney Has Reportedly Decided On How To Proceed With Black Panther 2
By Scott Campbell

According to our intel, the plan at the moment is for T’Challa to be written out of Black Panther 2 before the story starts as he’ll apparently die off-screen. Shuri will then assume the mantle and become Wakanda’s new protector on a permanent basis.

full article
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-reportedly-decided-proceed-black-panther-2/

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IS THIS WHAT FANS REALLY WANT?!?
Title: Re: BP OP- STORMZY - SUPERHEROES video
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 13, 2020, 03:30:05 pm
This is who fans want to replace Chadwick Boseman as the Black Panther
By Chris Smith

One of the obvious choices would be to recast a different actor as T’Challa/Black Panther. But it’s unlikely that fans would appreciate such a move. It would also be incredibly difficult for a different actor to accept the role. Boseman is T’Challa, and his Black Panther should be honored by not giving the part to a different actor, even if Boseman’s passing causes issues for Marvel’s plans.

full article
https://bgr.com/2020/09/13/marvel-movies-black-panther-2-chadwick-boseman-replacement-options/

What Should Come Next for Black Panther after Loss of Boseman
Reuters news agency reported this story. Alice Bryant

Writers, professors and activists spoke to Reuters news agency about the cultural importance of the movie and Boseman’s performance. Some said Marvel should honor Boseman by retiring the character of T’Challa and choosing another character to name as Black Panther.

full article
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/what-should-come-next-for-black-panther-after-loss-of-boseman/5575842.html

Disney Has Reportedly Decided On How To Proceed With Black Panther 2
By Scott Campbell

According to our intel, the plan at the moment is for T’Challa to be written out of Black Panther 2 before the story starts as he’ll apparently die off-screen. Shuri will then assume the mantle and become Wakanda’s new protector on a permanent basis.

full article
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-reportedly-decided-proceed-black-panther-2/

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IS THIS WHAT FANS REALLY WANT?!?



Letitia Wright cannot carry the action that BP 2 would require. I love her as an actress, but she is not BP. She can be The Ancient Future, but not BP of the MCU.

Bottom line is? I will support BP 2 even with Letitia as the new BP. I will wish her the best...sincerely. But we need the Afrakan man to be front and center...as T'Challa...in this series. The most persuasive argument to me is that EVERYONE knows that each of these actors would be replaced in their iconic roles. Robert Downey Jr. IS Iron Man...until the NEXT Iron Man comes around. BP IS T'Chadwick...until the NEXT BP is cast.

This is a deep tragedy. I'm still not adjusted to it. However, I do know that Chadwick would want the BP legacy to continue. We ALL know that EVERY ACTOR who debuted the heroes in the MCU wants their characters to outlive them.

Title: Re: BP OP - Fake News - What the "Fans" Supposedly Want?!?
Post by: Ture on September 13, 2020, 04:52:24 pm
What some real fans are saying...

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Not being disrespectful to Chadwick because he gave us a great T'Challa but the role has to be recast. I don't expect anyone who takes the role to be the same as Chad but they shouldn't be afraid of it either. If anything they should be inspired by what Chadwick has done. We're all feeling some kind of way now and some want to put T'Challa on the shelf. I can't speak for Chad but does anyone honestly think that he would want a character as powerful and inspirational as T'Challa just put aside?That just doesn't seem right.

If anything we need T'Challa to inspire more young black kids to be heroes. Just because we have Shuri doesn't mean we need to lose T'Challa.


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Yea I disagree. These are characters, immortal concepts and representations of things and ideas that actors bring to life. It's not easy or fun but replacing a character in the an ongoing continuity isn't nearly as much of an issue if the actor and script are up to par, at least for me.

Like I said, this is a golden age of comic adaptations. T'Challa deserves to be at the forefront of this cultural zeitgeist before he gets phased out for Shuri or Kaspar Cole. Anything other than that is a missed opportunity with potential consequences in other mediums.


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I'll say this about recasting T'Challa in the MCU...I personally think Disney SHOULD recast T'Challa. Because so far, he already "died" in his solo movie, then was "resurrected" later in the movie and reclaimed his kingdom, THEN died FOR REAL when he got snapped by Thanos in Infinity War, then got resurrected FOR REAL when he came back through the portal in End Game, thus regaining his kingdom. It would look extremely foolish for Disney to now kill the character off YET AGAIN and thereby have him lose his kingdom YET AGAIN. How many times are they going to kill this black man?

Also, if Disney does not recast T'Challa, then they would be setting up a dangerous precedence, because God forbid, what if other actors and actresses portraying major characters in the MCU pass away? Are they not going to recast those characters and kill those characters off as well, especially if those characters' story arcs aren't complete? If they do, it would look odd. If they don't recast T'Challa, but recast those other major characters, it would also look odd.

In addition, T'Challa himself in the MCU was/is a major inspiration to a lot of people because of the Black Panther movie, and I don't feel as though you permanently kill off a character like that, knowing how important he is to a lot of people, especially kids.

I also think it's odd that some people on certain sites can't fathom having T'Challa be portrayed by anyone other than Chadwick Boseman. It's definitely sad that Chadwick has transitioned, but to act as though no other black man can ever portray T'Challa because that actor might not be as good at it as Chadwick was, is baffling to me. Because now we're talking about denying other black actors the opportunity to portray T'Challa, who is such an iconic character.

That's almost like saying, "Well, I loved the way this particular writer wrote Black Panther in his solo series, but since the writer passed away, I really can't see anyone else writing T'Challa as well as HE did, therefore, I don't think anyone else should write T'Challa in his own solo book, because the writing of T'Challa might not be as good. So let's replace T'Challa in his own book with Shuri, or another character!"


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If they don't recast MCU Panther, my Black Panther fandom may die with Chadwick.

BP's comics suck. He isn't in the limited Marvel video games yet and if he isn't int he movies anymore, they will stop even having him in DLC stuff. They will have the replacement.

I guess there might be a new cartoon eventually but there is nothing on the horizon. And even if there is a cartoon, they may just decide to use the replacement. Because they makes perfect business sense and I wouldn't blame them.

I would have nothing to look forward too in regards to BP fandom.

So basically, I would have my trades, one movie, EMH and Pantherjack, and some cameo movies. Id just be an old head talking abot the good ol days aka what... 2 whole ass years lol?

MCU Black Panther Franchise without T'challa isn't my thing. I saw T'chaka get blown up. So T'challa get stabbed and thrown off a water fall, say T'challa get disintegrated, and then I gotta sit through another movie about someone else taking the mantle because T'challa died again? Yeah no thanks.

If MCU Shuri was like comic shuri it would be easier to stomach but sh*t... MCU shuri ain't about that life so they would have to retool a character they already retooled just to make it fit. And then we get ANOTHER "live up to my dead relative" story. Joy. Can't wait. Maybe they can have Wakandan's fight over it in the movie too! because that would be exciting again!


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Title: Re: BP OP - Fake News - What the "Fans" Supposedly Want?!?
Post by: Ture on September 23, 2020, 08:01:18 pm
What some real fans are saying...

Sterling K. Brown on Chadwick Boseman and 'Black Panther' Future

Tuesday on "The Talk" actor Sterling K. Brown opens up about former "Black Panther" co-star and friend, Chadwick Boseman and the franchise's future. "There is no replacing the epitome of grace and dignity. Chad was the perfect T'Challa. May he rest in peace, may he rest in power. Man, bright light, boy.

That being said, and I believe that Chad would feel the same way, the story of "Black Panther" is bigger than one person. The story of the diaspora of blackness throughout the world, and the way in which this movie sort of galvanized and brought us together, was so amazing."

Brown adds, "The most technologically advanced country in the world, with all the resources that they have, with all the intelligence that they have, we gotta keep going. It means so much for us to be seen in that light, and then for other people to see themselves in us.

Because for such a long time we've been told, we can't relate to black stories, that people won't be able to see themselves. But you know what, we just sold a billion, so I think we can go ahead and do it again."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/talk-sterling-k-brown-chadwick-213057203.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/talk-sterling-k-brown-chadwick-213057203.html)
Title: Re: BP OP - Sterling K. Brown on Chadwick Boseman and 'Black Panther' Future
Post by: Ture on September 25, 2020, 09:49:45 pm
What some real fans are saying...

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My Two Cents: Killing off T'Challa is a short-sighted idea and would be a mistake on a number of levels, many of which are represented in MoneySpider's quote above. Absolutely loved Chadwick and am still grieving his loss. However, T'Challa could and should be bigger. He should continue to thrill and inspire our youth while providing a shining example of Black strength and excellence! This is needed and should not be dismissed. There are many more T'Challa stories to tell and more Black artists to convey them, Aldis Hodge and Jonathan Majors come to mind. Not as replacements for Chadwick, but successors. I love Letitia and Shuri and would love to see the character further explored, pursuing her own stories. In over 50 years, I've consumed a ton of stories featuring a plethora of heroes. Precious few have looked like me. Our kids have it better in this regard thanks to T'Challa and Luke Cage and Black Lightning. I had Flash Gordon, Batman and James Bond. Much as we love the players, it's the characters that allow us to imagine and dream. Now of all times is not the time to take T'Challa away. I truly believe Chadwick would agree.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mont

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I just feel like cutting T'Challas time short would be a huge mistake all over the guise of being "respectful"  and "no one could replace Chadwick" I mean with Spiderman, Batman, James Bond and superman movies, no one is replacing the actor that played the character before them, but rather they are a successor. And the same should be done for Chad. I mean look at what he has said in interviews, no where does it sound like he wanted the character to live and die with him. He wanted to keep inspiring people as the character on obviously, but he wanted the character to continue to grow. Plus I really just have a hard time not seeing Shuri as a Tony Stark type, quippy and fun, but not serious enough for the role of ruler and BP, and if you have a sudden change in personality it can be weird..

And again I am all for Black girl empowerment, it's a great thing, however, it needs to be demanded and pushed in it's own vein with characters who are their own stand alone heroes and not supporting cast members of other heroes trying to take the role fro. The protagonist. That rarely ever works and it's a huge disservice to the franchise to do so. Plus when seeing all these articles popping up about how marvel can tribute T'Challa they are frankly... All about agendas and nothing about honoring Chad. Latest one was killing T'Challa off in a post credit scene and having the person who does it be the next big bad to "have him die heroically whole also setting up how dangerous the next big villain is and setting their arc in motion" and it just reeks of agenda and using T'Challa as some sort of prop for someone else. So for me? I will keep pushing back and supporting a recast so T'Challa can get his fill story told to completion and he gets the respect he deserves and Chad gets the respect for all his hard work that he deserves as well


Ezyo

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I think so too. Losing Chad was a heart breaker no doubt but I think that they have to carry on with T'Challa as BP and do a recast. It would be alot worse to lose both Chad and T'Challa.

marvell2100

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I think the bottom line is? They're going to have to recast T'Challa...and do it for the next movie. My entire heart has been riven by the loss of T'Chadwick. I can only approach it with a bit of surrealism, like I know it's real...but not really. Same thing when considering someone like JDW to be his replacement as T'Challa. It...doesn't feel real. Even though I am absolutely certain that T'Chadwick would want us to replace him and indeed knew that even if had beaten colon cancer, T'Chadwick could only play T'Challa for a short period of time in his life. And T'Challa would both be played by younger actors and T'Challa the character would outlive us all.

supreme illuminati


PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!

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RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.

Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!
Title: Re: BP OP - What some real fans think about T'Challa the Black Panther's Future
Post by: Marvell2100 on September 27, 2020, 01:28:48 pm
Thanks Ture for this thread and for sharing the views of the Black Panther fans.
Title: Re: BP OP - Sterling K. Brown on Chadwick Boseman and 'Black Panther' Future
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 27, 2020, 10:20:11 pm
What some real fans are saying...

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My Two Cents: Killing off T'Challa is a short-sighted idea and would be a mistake on a number of levels, many of which are represented in MoneySpider's quote above. Absolutely loved Chadwick and am still grieving his loss. However, T'Challa could and should be bigger. He should continue to thrill and inspire our youth while providing a shining example of Black strength and excellence! This is needed and should not be dismissed. There are many more T'Challa stories to tell and more Black artists to convey them, Aldis Hodge and Jonathan Majors come to mind. Not as replacements for Chadwick, but successors. I love Letitia and Shuri and would love to see the character further explored, pursuing her own stories. In over 50 years, I've consumed a ton of stories featuring a plethora of heroes. Precious few have looked like me. Our kids have it better in this regard thanks to T'Challa and Luke Cage and Black Lightning. I had Flash Gordon, Batman and James Bond. Much as we love the players, it's the characters that allow us to imagine and dream. Now of all times is not the time to take T'Challa away. I truly believe Chadwick would agree.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mont

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I just feel like cutting T'Challas time short would be a huge mistake all over the guise of being "respectful"  and "no one could replace Chadwick" I mean with Spiderman, Batman, James Bond and superman movies, no one is replacing the actor that played the character before them, but rather they are a successor. And the same should be done for Chad. I mean look at what he has said in interviews, no where does it sound like he wanted the character to live and die with him. He wanted to keep inspiring people as the character on obviously, but he wanted the character to continue to grow. Plus I really just have a hard time not seeing Shuri as a Tony Stark type, quippy and fun, but not serious enough for the role of ruler and BP, and if you have a sudden change in personality it can be weird..

And again I am all for Black girl empowerment, it's a great thing, however, it needs to be demanded and pushed in it's own vein with characters who are their own stand alone heroes and not supporting cast members of other heroes trying to take the role fro. The protagonist. That rarely ever works and it's a huge disservice to the franchise to do so. Plus when seeing all these articles popping up about how marvel can tribute T'Challa they are frankly... All about agendas and nothing about honoring Chad. Latest one was killing T'Challa off in a post credit scene and having the person who does it be the next big bad to "have him die heroically whole also setting up how dangerous the next big villain is and setting their arc in motion" and it just reeks of agenda and using T'Challa as some sort of prop for someone else. So for me? I will keep pushing back and supporting a recast so T'Challa can get his fill story told to completion and he gets the respect he deserves and Chad gets the respect for all his hard work that he deserves as well


Ezyo

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I think so too. Losing Chad was a heart breaker no doubt but I think that they have to carry on with T'Challa as BP and do a recast. It would be alot worse to lose both Chad and T'Challa.

marvell2100

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I think the bottom line is? They're going to have to recast T'Challa...and do it for the next movie. My entire heart has been riven by the loss of T'Chadwick. I can only approach it with a bit of surrealism, like I know it's real...but not really. Same thing when considering someone like JDW to be his replacement as T'Challa. It...doesn't feel real. Even though I am absolutely certain that T'Chadwick would want us to replace him and indeed knew that even if had beaten colon cancer, T'Chadwick could only play T'Challa for a short period of time in his life. And T'Challa would both be played by younger actors and T'Challa the character would outlive us all.

supreme illuminati


PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!

(https://mb.web.sapo.io/fac33d771ea7c075e229b310bb0f3ff116a27c96.jpg)

RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.

Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!



 Brother Ture? I can't thank you enough for your tireless, peerless excellence.
Title: Re: BP OP - What some real fans think about T'Challa the Black Panther's Future
Post by: Marvell2100 on September 28, 2020, 05:35:37 am
Another voice:

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Then actors need to Man the hell up! It's a job, a job that comes with a huge responsibility which is why it's important to cast the right actor for the role BUT not to kill the character off or replace him! This is an opportunity to contribute to something meaningful. What does it say about black men too afraid to be asked questions and compared to Boseman's portrayal? Cowardice, that's what it says. If that's the case and mind set then we don't deserve another Black Panther movie period. Let black actors stick to their stereotypical comic relief, gangbanger, slave needing a white saviour roles. How many white actors and even black actors have expressed they would love to portray a character like James Bond and this is in the wake of Daniel Craig who has made the role his own despite the initial backlash to his casting? Sorry but yes, it's sad hat Boseman has passed away, he was a great T'Challa but like Shuri herself said, "...it doesn't mean it can't be improved". A potential new actor for T'Challa could explore characteristics that build upon what Boseman started. Taking on the role is a huge undertaking and responsibility and should be approached with such a purpose and not to shy away from it.[/size]
Title: Re: BP OP - What some real fans think about T'Challa the Black Panther's Future
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 28, 2020, 08:24:03 am




Another voice:

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Quote from: Chesterfield;5164172
Then actors need to Man the hell up! It's a job, a job that comes with a huge responsibility which is why it's important to cast the right actor for the role BUT not to kill the character off or replace him! This is an opportunity to contribute to something meaningful. What does it say about black men too afraid to be asked questions and compared to Boseman's portrayal? Cowardice, that's what it says. If that's the case and mind set then we don't deserve another Black Panther movie period. Let black actors stick to their stereotypical comic relief, gangbanger, slave needing a white saviour roles. How many white actors and even black actors have expressed they would love to portray a character like James Bond and this is in the wake of Daniel Craig who has made the role his own despite the initial backlash to his casting? Sorry but yes, it's sad hat Boseman has passed away, he was a great T'Challa but like Shuri herself said, "...it doesn't mean it can't be improved". A potential new actor for T'Challa could explore characteristics that build upon what Boseman started. Taking on the role is a huge undertaking and responsibility and should be approached with such a purpose and not to shy away from it.[/size]




NGENDUMISO [ "WITH PRAISE/BRAVO/PRAISE HIM/CHEER FOR HIM" ], CHESTERFIELD!! He needs to come to HEF, forthwith!
Title: Re: BP OP - What some real fans think about T'Challa the Black Panther's Future
Post by: Ture on September 30, 2020, 11:32:46 am
Thanks Ture for this thread and for sharing the views of the Black Panther fans.

You are more than welcome Marvell2100. Brothers and sisters like you make it all worthwhile.
Title: Re: BP OP - Sterling K. Brown on Chadwick Boseman and 'Black Panther' Future
Post by: Ture on September 30, 2020, 11:36:09 am
What some real fans are saying...

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My Two Cents: Killing off T'Challa is a short-sighted idea and would be a mistake on a number of levels, many of which are represented in MoneySpider's quote above. Absolutely loved Chadwick and am still grieving his loss. However, T'Challa could and should be bigger. He should continue to thrill and inspire our youth while providing a shining example of Black strength and excellence! This is needed and should not be dismissed. There are many more T'Challa stories to tell and more Black artists to convey them, Aldis Hodge and Jonathan Majors come to mind. Not as replacements for Chadwick, but successors. I love Letitia and Shuri and would love to see the character further explored, pursuing her own stories. In over 50 years, I've consumed a ton of stories featuring a plethora of heroes. Precious few have looked like me. Our kids have it better in this regard thanks to T'Challa and Luke Cage and Black Lightning. I had Flash Gordon, Batman and James Bond. Much as we love the players, it's the characters that allow us to imagine and dream. Now of all times is not the time to take T'Challa away. I truly believe Chadwick would agree.

My Two Cents.

Peace,

Mont

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I just feel like cutting T'Challas time short would be a huge mistake all over the guise of being "respectful"  and "no one could replace Chadwick" I mean with Spiderman, Batman, James Bond and superman movies, no one is replacing the actor that played the character before them, but rather they are a successor. And the same should be done for Chad. I mean look at what he has said in interviews, no where does it sound like he wanted the character to live and die with him. He wanted to keep inspiring people as the character on obviously, but he wanted the character to continue to grow. Plus I really just have a hard time not seeing Shuri as a Tony Stark type, quippy and fun, but not serious enough for the role of ruler and BP, and if you have a sudden change in personality it can be weird..

And again I am all for Black girl empowerment, it's a great thing, however, it needs to be demanded and pushed in it's own vein with characters who are their own stand alone heroes and not supporting cast members of other heroes trying to take the role fro. The protagonist. That rarely ever works and it's a huge disservice to the franchise to do so. Plus when seeing all these articles popping up about how marvel can tribute T'Challa they are frankly... All about agendas and nothing about honoring Chad. Latest one was killing T'Challa off in a post credit scene and having the person who does it be the next big bad to "have him die heroically whole also setting up how dangerous the next big villain is and setting their arc in motion" and it just reeks of agenda and using T'Challa as some sort of prop for someone else. So for me? I will keep pushing back and supporting a recast so T'Challa can get his fill story told to completion and he gets the respect he deserves and Chad gets the respect for all his hard work that he deserves as well


Ezyo

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I think so too. Losing Chad was a heart breaker no doubt but I think that they have to carry on with T'Challa as BP and do a recast. It would be alot worse to lose both Chad and T'Challa.

marvell2100

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I think the bottom line is? They're going to have to recast T'Challa...and do it for the next movie. My entire heart has been riven by the loss of T'Chadwick. I can only approach it with a bit of surrealism, like I know it's real...but not really. Same thing when considering someone like JDW to be his replacement as T'Challa. It...doesn't feel real. Even though I am absolutely certain that T'Chadwick would want us to replace him and indeed knew that even if had beaten colon cancer, T'Chadwick could only play T'Challa for a short period of time in his life. And T'Challa would both be played by younger actors and T'Challa the character would outlive us all.

supreme illuminati


PREVENT THE ASSASSINATION OF T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER!

(https://mb.web.sapo.io/fac33d771ea7c075e229b310bb0f3ff116a27c96.jpg)

RESIST THE A.G.E.N.D.A.

Chadwick Boseman's legacy deserves nothing less!



 Brother Ture? I can't thank you enough for your tireless, peerless excellence.

My humble appreciation for your kind words Brother Supreme Illuminati. Fans and enthusiasts like yourself are the reasons why I do what I do.
Title: Re: BP OP - What some real fans think about T'Challa the Black Panther's Future
Post by: Ture on September 30, 2020, 11:39:24 am
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Then what's the point of a Black Panther movie? T'Challa IS the story. I dont care how many people want to go on about Shuri this or M'Baku that; they're not it T'challa is. If people want to see Wakanda without T'Challa then they can go and petition for a D+ show or whatever.

I can't take Thor seriously. He's become somewhat of a joke since EG. Sure, he had his comedic moments from the start but that whole hippy fat thing...nah. They can do whatever they like with Thor, he's become somewhat inconsequential to me BUT T'Challa is a very different case. I do care and the character and his world need to be given the appropriate respect, care and treatment and that means ensuring T'Challa is at the forefront. But like you said, Marvel will tell whatever story they want and if there's no T'Challa; I'm 100% out.

CBR's Chesterfield

We hear you loud and clear.
Title: Re: BP OP - After backlash Minneapolis police cancel 'Black Panther' movie night
Post by: Ture on October 10, 2020, 05:33:32 pm
After online backlash, Minneapolis police cancel 'Black Panther' movie night
The screening was to be held at Chicago Ave and Lake St.
BY DECLAN DESMOND

An attempt at community outreach seems to have backfired for Minneapolis police, at least in the unforgiving comments sections of social media.

The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) has announced that a free public showing of Marvel Studios' "Black Panther," which was scheduled for 7:00 p.m. Friday, is postponed "until further notice."


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The tentative cancellation came a day after the event was announced. MPD's social media accounts did not offer a reason for the decision, but it was clear from hundreds of comments on both Twitter and Facebook that the movie night was not well received.

Some comments called the screening "tone deaf," while others criticized the choice of venue as well as the decision to show Black Panther. A number of users also questioned the safety of holding such an event in the middle of a pandemic.

Others thought the timing of the move was poor, as it came the same week Derek Chauvin — the former officer who killed George Floyd in May — was released from jail on bond, a decision that led to a protest at the intersection where Floyd died.

There was some support for the screening, however, with some commenters praising the police department for the gesture.

BringMeTheNews has reached out to MPD for comment on the cancellation.


https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/after-online-backlash-mpls-police-cancel-black-panther-movie-night
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Ture on October 15, 2020, 08:02:20 am
Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Marvel Comics is subtly rewriting the history of the Black Panther, revealing a line of Panther Kings stretching to 1,000,000 years ago.
BY THOMAS BACON

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Marvel Comics is rewriting the history of Black Panther. In 2018, Black Panther took the world by storm. The film starred the late, great Chadwick Boseman, and it proved a cultural event, grossing a phenomenal $1.3 billion worldwide. Unsurprisingly, Marvel Comics recognized the character's newfound celebrity, and Black Panther has grown ever more prominent in the comic book universe as well. He's currently leader of the Avengers, operating an intelligence service that crosses the globe and has helped repel numerous cosmic invaders.

After the release of the film, everybody thinks they know the origin story of Wakanda's king. According to legend, Black Panther is the champion of the Panther God Bast, granted superhuman strength, speed and agility in order to defend the nation. The first Black Panther was the man who unified the tribes of Wakanda, and who first discovered the potential of vibranium, the alien metal that crashed to Earth millennia ago in an asteroid impact. King T'Challa is just the latest Black Panther, albeit the first to act on a global stage.

And yet, in an interesting recent development, Marvel Comics is systematically rewriting Black Panther's origin story. So many of the things fans thought they knew are turning out to be assumptions, and whole new elements are being written into the history of Wakanda - both in the pages of the Avengers and the X-Men comics.

The First Black Panther Served Alongside The First Avengers.


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The rewrites began in 2018, with the release of the Marvel Legacy one-shot. This introduced the Avengers of 100,000 BC, a powerful alliance whose very existence had been lost in the mists of time. These were dark days, with Mephisto ruling the world and the nascent human race struggling to survive. But the humans soon found themselves defended by champions; gods and mystics, cosmic avatars and even a Black Panther. "The Panther was the first to discover some manner of vibrating rock or such," Odin recollected in Jason Aaron's Avengers #4, "And the first to begin to unlock its many secrets. Never have I been more impressed by a mortal." Aaron's Avengers run has been skipping through the timeline with joyous abandon, and he's been offering the origin stories of many of these first Avengers. He's yet to do so, however, for this first Black Panther.

Regardless of the details, though, there have been certain clues. The Black Panther mantle strongly suggests this man is not only the first to discover vibranium, but he is also blessed by the Panther God, Bast. What's more, he has the kind of confidence and bearing you would expect from a king, suggesting he is already ruler of a tribe residing in Africa. But an important distinction is that he is no isolationist, but rather stands in defense of the entire planet, daring to wage war against cosmic entities like the Celestials and standing alongside the first Sorcerer Supreme and the first Ghost Rider.

The First Black Panther Wielded Mjolnir.


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Even more staggering, Avengers #36 revealed this first Black Panther wielded Mjolnir. Jason Aaron's seminal Mighty Thor run rewrote the history of Mjolnir as well, revealing that eons ago Odin found himself locked in combat with a cosmic force known as the God Tempest. This God Tempest was imprisoned within the legendary hammer, and Odin himself wielded it for a time, although the God Tempest resented his attempts to use his power. Evidently it had no problem with the first Black Panther, who it deemed worthy of its majesty, and according to T'Challa, this first Panther King used Mjolnir against Mephisto himself. Ever since, anyone who Bast deemed fit to become Black Panther has apparently also been worthy of Mjolnir.

The X-Men Just Introduced Skybreaker.


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The latest development has been introduced in the X-Men's "X of Swords" event. Ten X-Men have been chosen to wield ten legendary blades in defense of the entire planet, and Storm is one of them. In Marauders #13, she revealed her assigned weapon is an ancient Wakandan sword called Skybreaker. According to Storm, Skybreaker dates back to the day a vibranium meteorite crashed into a sacred mountain, and one local tribal leader led his people to the site. "The ancestors of those that would become Wakandan forged a weapon to speak with the boom of thunder," Storm observed. Skybreaker serves as a conduit, amplifying and channeling energy into a devastating weapon, and it was used in Wakanda's defense.

The creator of Skybreaker is remembered only in Wakandan legends, which called him "Olumo" or "Knower." Apparently he realized no normal fire could tame the metal, and built a special forge near the lip of a volcano. There, he labored for many days with his oldest daughter and his oldest son, using the heat of the volcano to soften and temper the vibranium. Given Odin's comment that the Panther he served alongside was the first human to learn the secrets of vibranium, it's reasonable to assume they are one and the same person. But it is unlikely he ever used Skybreaker in Odin's presence, because it appears to have been devoted to the protection of Wakanda, thus it was presumably kept by his representative. Still, it is no wonder he was capable of mastering Mjolnir; the first Black Panther was no stranger to cosmic power.


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According to Marauders #13, Skybreaker is the key to Wakanda's technological development. The Wakandans studied Skybreaker, attempting to understand its powers, and in doing so, they gradually unlocked the secrets of vibranium. "The conduit helped them unlock a deeper understanding of the world," Storm revealed, "and develop technology at a blistering pace. It helped catapult Wakanda into the future." Thus Skybreaker exists, to this day, as a symbol of Wakanda's spirit.

Marvel Comics writers have clearly decided it is time to explore the ancient history of Black Panther, to reveal the true history of the very first ancestor to bow the knee to Bast and receive the blessing of the Panther God. But in exploring all this, they're also rewriting the rich lore surrounding T'Challa, adding whole new elements into it. It will be fascinating to see how it all comes together, and how all these revisions ultimately affect Black Panther's standing in the Marvel Universe.


https://screenrant.com/black-panther-origin-story-rewritten/
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Battle on October 15, 2020, 08:17:08 am
re: Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story




This is a spectacular proposal!  :D

Especially for readers who may have a new found interest in world history and how it relates to the Black Panther mythos.  Bellissimo!  :)
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: CvilleWakandan on October 15, 2020, 08:34:22 am
I don't like if they're not going to lock things in. Too much ambiguity. There are like three new origins in the past two years.
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Ezyo on October 15, 2020, 12:02:59 pm
The problem with this thst it's not being devetin the BP Solo, by a writer whos sole purpose for exploring this is to expand T'Challas world and enrich and elevate HIM. These other book's aren't doing this to enrich T'Challa bit to tell their own stories and push plot, continuity be damned, especially mauraders, so no, explore it on the BP solo, not avenger's or ESPECIALLY, an x book
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Booshman on October 16, 2020, 11:22:17 pm
The problem with this thst it's not being devetin the BP Solo, by a writer whos sole purpose for exploring this is to expand T'Challas world and enrich and elevate HIM. These other book's aren't doing this to enrich T'Challa bit to tell their own stories and push plot, continuity be damned, especially mauraders, so no, explore it on the BP solo, not avenger's or ESPECIALLY, an x book

Well, he's a black dude, so no worry about him getting any major/lasting shine in an X-Book.
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Emperorjones on October 17, 2020, 06:23:53 am
Ture,

Looking over the thread, and I saw you define real fans as those who back recasting T'Challa. Though I do not have the depth of knowledge that you, Supreme, and many others here do when it comes to Black Panther, I also don't think people who have differing views, about whether to recast or promote Shuri or another character as the next BP are necessarily not real fans of BP or are pushing an anti-black male agenda either. Some of them I think are, but I wouldn't just assume that of everyone, myself included here.
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Ezyo on October 17, 2020, 01:05:15 pm
Maybe it's bott the greatest to say there bot real fans, but at the very least it calls into question the intention for replacing and killing T'Challa on screen when HE is still alive and his story is far from over. I'm sure some people are genuinely thinking that it's the best thing to Honor T'Chadwick, but based on what he has said in interviews, I don't think he wants the character to retire or die with him, quite the opposite, he has been seen in interviews fighting for more Black folks to exist in one space and wanted the character to outlive us all
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 17, 2020, 02:10:51 pm
The problem with this thst it's not being devetin the BP Solo, by a writer whos sole purpose for exploring this is to expand T'Challas world and enrich and elevate HIM. These other book's aren't doing this to enrich T'Challa bit to tell their own stories and push plot, continuity be damned, especially mauraders, so no, explore it on the BP solo, not avenger's or ESPECIALLY, an x book

Well, he's a black dude, so no worry about him getting any major/lasting shine in an X-Book.

QFT!!!
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Ture on October 18, 2020, 10:49:07 am
Ture,

Looking over the thread, and I saw you define real fans as those who back recasting T'Challa. Though I do not have the depth of knowledge that you, Supreme, and many others here do when it comes to Black Panther, I also don't think people who have differing views, about whether to recast or promote Shuri or another character as the next BP are necessarily not real fans of BP or are pushing an anti-black male agenda either. Some of them I think are, but I wouldn't just assume that of everyone, myself included here.

I didn't define real fans as much as I quoted them and I count you among their numbers Emperorjones.
I posted What some real fans are saying...as a response to the plethora of articles stating fans did not want a recast because such was simply not the case. Such articles came off to me as chumming the MCU BP landscape for the attempted assassination of T'Challa the Black Panther.

Different, disparate or divergent viewpoints on recasting the Black Panther doesn't operationally define fandom as it merely displays the diversity of opinions on the subject. Like you I would not assume anything but I do choose to discuss or even debate what is written for the world to see when it concerns Black Panther.

The A.G.E.N.D.A. I speak of is not rooted in contemporary politics as they are just new branches on an old tree. It dates back to soon after Lee and Kirby introduced the Black Panther and has been a constant detriment to the character and his world ever since.
Title: Re: BP OP - Marvel Is Rewriting Black Panther's Origin Story
Post by: Ture on November 08, 2020, 11:32:37 pm
Rise of the Black Panther: How Marvel Rewrote T'Challa's Origin
Rise Of The Black Panther rewrote T'Challa's origin story for a new audience

BY JONATHAN OLSEN-KOZIOL
12 HOURS AGO



(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/rise-black-panther-hed.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=960&h=500)

Rise Of The Black Panther by Evan Narcisse, Paul Renaud, Paul Renaud, Stéphane Paitreau and Joe Sabino was a new origin story that lead to the MCU's Black Panther film. These six issues were meant to reintroduce the character's origin to pave the way for Chadwick Boseman's seminal portrayal of the King of Wakanda on screen. The comics start by laying out the foundation of Wakandan society -- from its social isolation, history of the Black Panther, and how it's technological advancement is governed by a mysterious transformative metal called Vibranium. Vibranium is also the source of the Black Panther's power -- tea made from herbs that have mutated from the Vibranium that's leeching into Wakanda's ecosystem is what gives Black Panther his powers.

In the first issue, T'challa learns of his father's dealings with Captain America, Hydra, and his father's death at the hands of a mercenary named Klaw, played by Andy Serkis in the Black Panther film. T'Challa has been faced with his countries isolation in a major way and from a young age, pondered about taking his country down a new path. Now as Wakanda's new King, T'Challa is setting out to do just that.

(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/riseoftheblackpanther2.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370)

T'Challa is coming to terms with Wakanda's place in the Marvel Universe. From Gods like Thor coming down to Earth and the likes of Galactus trying to eat the planet, the Black Panther believes it's unacceptable for a country with technological superiority such as Wakanda's to sit on the sidelines and do nothing. Meanwhile, T'Challa has learned Wakandans are going missing and he sets out to investigate.

His investigation leads him to a crashed vessel occupied with Namor and his fellow Atlanteans. They discover that rogue Wakandans and Atlanteans have been working together to steal Wakanda's secrets. This was the last straw for T'Challa. He realizes that this situation proves that it's Wakanda's isolation that puts a bullseye on their back for these kinds of aggression. This is when T'Challa makes some moves and gets Wakanda a seat at the United Nations. However, this also brings Wakanda into the world's spotlight and attracts unwanted visitors like Dr. Doom who tries to take the Black Panther's throne while he was away politicking with the United Nations.


(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/rotbp3.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370)

Black Panther and Shuri are able to repel Dr. Doom from Wakanda, but it doesn't take long for Erik Killmonger to show up at the doorstep and wage war on the throne. Killmonger wants to start a world war just so Wakanda can be the ones who finish it and rebuild Earth's nations under its iron fist. The Black Panther is able to diffuse the Vibranium bomb in time with the help of the White Wolf -- leader of Wakanda's secret security forces. However, Killmonger escapes before he can be brought to justice.

Rise Of The Black Panther streamlines T'Challa's story for a new audience while simultaneously introducing the character of his long-awaited silver screen appearance. This comic also brings the new Black Panther origin full-circle in issue #6 by citing 1959's Tales of Suspense by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Gene Colan. Captain America returns to help the Black Panther -- which solidifies this new story's place in Marvel's history. This story also directly sets up T'Challa's path to becoming an Avenger where he plays a vital roles in crossover epics like Empyre in the future.


https://www.cbr.com/rise-of-the-black-panther-origin/ (https://www.cbr.com/rise-of-the-black-panther-origin/)
Title: Re: BP OP - Wild,Wild West Black Panther in EXILES #7
Post by: Ture on November 09, 2020, 09:36:50 pm
SOMEHOW I MISSED THIS?!?

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(https://s24195.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mm.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XJ_8eQWJBb8q2ne3FGDjgw97KCJilKsxcjrbnDsN0vknYcsDP9qAQbYTkMtO7s7udmZU7vk5VGL4Jqh_wsxz_NuoeAlJsgg61ZxY0j_FDV12bT6rTvb32SHnaIrkWttqp5JCr4jSYQ=s1600)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/S8SyGz-rUeiQtIoskzitVjeLzKrPCAB8vUaopRVIYClsDmzEvhkQzCH3Ein17ZX9t5KYnvMvxuODBcDdv0GbCbZiyP-EEMF3pyj7phShgGtUPbZpGF2zqDZFIJ9bvUoy2c4AELFG0g=s1600)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rcWl5xOOlUc4mJSTGUmNJ2WcSZoyHPjDm_7ZIdKQY0ne5Lp_dZ8K3le5i7DwIqW8JgJdVVoTzxdaEyhFyPgdGUTADdD-GQZ6nuqxe6G9XLNR0TUeEuNqDWhNQBHheZbP3f7fDycmDg=s1600)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/L3wzEnPJQT8zHhA9ys8n14VdSaB9H86fTFd8xP4eaRe6NggXJxni9RuQis_7rAbXrz5brxclg_BC3e2SNCqFUmD8XP7s79X4TcO7vfvwwxvHl6RPAeuASb22m9g9bmg3qSn6kuzzUg=s1600)

Exiles (2018) #7
Published:
August 29, 2018
Writer:
Saladin Ahmed
Penciler:
Rod Reis, Lee M. Ferguson
Cover Artist:
Mike Mckone
Blink’s original time-traveling companions make an appearance, including fan-favorites Sabretooth, Morph and Nocturne! And they’re just in time for a showdown with the gunslinging Brotherhood of Evil Mutants! But what does that mean for Blink and her NEW family of Exiles? And the Exiles aren’t the only familiar faces in town. They call him “King,” and you do not want to find yourself in his Vibranium crosshairs. Who is the Black Panther of the Wild West – and what does he want with the Exiles?!
Title: Re: BP OP - Wild,Wild West Black Panther in EXILES #7
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 09, 2020, 11:25:36 pm
SOMEHOW I MISSED THIS?!?

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113509/6607551-cowboy%20panther.jpg)

(https://s24195.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mm.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XJ_8eQWJBb8q2ne3FGDjgw97KCJilKsxcjrbnDsN0vknYcsDP9qAQbYTkMtO7s7udmZU7vk5VGL4Jqh_wsxz_NuoeAlJsgg61ZxY0j_FDV12bT6rTvb32SHnaIrkWttqp5JCr4jSYQ=s1600)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/S8SyGz-rUeiQtIoskzitVjeLzKrPCAB8vUaopRVIYClsDmzEvhkQzCH3Ein17ZX9t5KYnvMvxuODBcDdv0GbCbZiyP-EEMF3pyj7phShgGtUPbZpGF2zqDZFIJ9bvUoy2c4AELFG0g=s1600)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rcWl5xOOlUc4mJSTGUmNJ2WcSZoyHPjDm_7ZIdKQY0ne5Lp_dZ8K3le5i7DwIqW8JgJdVVoTzxdaEyhFyPgdGUTADdD-GQZ6nuqxe6G9XLNR0TUeEuNqDWhNQBHheZbP3f7fDycmDg=s1600)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/L3wzEnPJQT8zHhA9ys8n14VdSaB9H86fTFd8xP4eaRe6NggXJxni9RuQis_7rAbXrz5brxclg_BC3e2SNCqFUmD8XP7s79X4TcO7vfvwwxvHl6RPAeuASb22m9g9bmg3qSn6kuzzUg=s1600)

Exiles (2018) #7
Published:
August 29, 2018
Writer:
Saladin Ahmed
Penciler:
Rod Reis, Lee M. Ferguson
Cover Artist:
Mike Mckone
Blink’s original time-traveling companions make an appearance, including fan-favorites Sabretooth, Morph and Nocturne! And they’re just in time for a showdown with the gunslinging Brotherhood of Evil Mutants! But what does that mean for Blink and her NEW family of Exiles? And the Exiles aren’t the only familiar faces in town. They call him “King,” and you do not want to find yourself in his Vibranium crosshairs. Who is the Black Panther of the Wild West – and what does he want with the Exiles?!





Holy BAST! I looooove this! I'm copying this to my Google Drive tomorrow or later tonight! Great catch, Ture! You are CLEARLY the man!!
Title: Re: BP OP - Wild,Wild West Black Panther in EXILES #7... Cool Showing
Post by: Ezyo on November 10, 2020, 12:36:29 pm
is that okay for the artist to draw T'Challa that way? He looks A LOT like Chadwick. I know marvel got in trouble for making ultimate universe fury look alot like Samuel Jackson
Title: Re: BP OP - Wild,Wild West Black Panther in EXILES #7... Cool Showing
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 10, 2020, 04:53:15 pm
is that okay for the artist to draw T'Challa that way? He looks A LOT like Chadwick. I know marvel got in trouble for making ultimate universe fury look alot like Samuel Jackson

Idk that! I thought Marvel only got in trouble for using kente cloth and specific Ghanaian cultural symbols without permission on the BP MCU blockboster.
Title: Re: BP OP - HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHADWICK BOSEMAN!!!
Post by: Ture on November 29, 2020, 01:47:50 am
Today would have been Chadwick's 44th anniversary of life. Disney has updated their Marvel Studios intro for 'Black Panther' on Disney Plus in celebration of the late actor. Happy birthday, King. Here's the article.

Chadwick Boseman Birthday: Disney+ Honors the Black Panther Star With Marvel Studios Logo Tribute
By CAMERON BONOMOLO - November 29, 2020 04:20 am EST

The Disney+ version of Black Panther alters the opening Marvel Studios logo with a special tribute honoring Chadwick Boseman on what would have been his 44th birthday. The November 29 redesign, which is a commemorative update of the logo in use since 2016, keeps the classic "flipbook" opening before segueing into concept art images and excerpts from the Black Panther script. Whereas the standard intro sees the superheroes of the Marvel Cinematic Universe fill the letterforms of the Marvel Studios logo with footage from past films, this tribute is dedicated entirely and exclusively to Boseman with footage from Captain America: Civil War, Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame.

VIEW HERE
 pic.twitter.com/2A9sJXLONy (http://pic.twitter.com/2A9sJXLONy)

On Saturday, Disney Chairman Bob Iger tweeted a message to all Black Panther fans, telling them to watch the film on Disney+ later that night to see a "special tribute to someone that was and will always be near and dear to our hearts." The Disney-owned studio dedicated a similar tribute to Marvel Comics visionary Stan Lee when it altered the Marvel Studios logo opening Captain Marvel in 2019, the first MCU film released after Lee's death in November 2018.

Boseman died on August 28 following a four-year battle with colon cancer. In a statement, the actor's family said it was "during and between countless surgeries and chemotherapy" that Boseman reprised his Civil War role as T'Challa, the newly crowned king of Wakanda, in the Ryan Coogler-directed Black Panther and two Avengers sequels.

The Boseman family added it was "the honor of his career to bring King T'Challa to life in Black Panther," both the first Marvel Studios film with a predominantly Black cast and the first superhero film nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards. The Kevin Feige-produced Black Panther grossed more than $1.3 billion worldwide, making it the ninth highest-grossing film at the time of release in February 2018.

Also included in the dedicated Marvel Studios section on Disney+ is the ABC News special Chadwick Boseman: A Tribute For a King, a 39-minute documentary celebrating and honoring the Black Panther star's "life, legacy, career and the cultural imprint he made on and off screen." Tribute For a King originally followed a special ad-free airing of Black Panther that debuted on ABC on September 30, one month after Boseman's death.

Black Panther II, with returning stars Letitia Wright, Danai Gurira, Lupita Nyong’o, Winston Duke, Martin Freeman, and Angela Bassett, is scheduled to open in theaters on May 6, 2022.


https://comicbook.com/movies/news/chadwick-boseman-birthday-black-panther-marvel-studios-logo-update-black-panther-disney-plus/

Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ture on December 02, 2020, 06:23:51 pm
WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! 

S P O I L E R S    A H E A D ! ! !








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WHAT WAKANDA WILL BE FACING.
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WHO WAKANDA WILL BE FACING.
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THE WORLD ENVELOPED!
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HEROES AND LOVED ONES FALL!
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THE TRUE KING IN BLACK... EVER PREPARED!
(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/King-in-Black-Panther-Upgrade-Wings-Art.jpg)

I'm really looking forward to Redjack demonstrating how the Black Panther and Wakanda measure up against Knull and his army of symbiotes. I can weather the Black Panther not beating Knull just so long as he and Wakanda are not defeated by Knull. The lord of the Abvss versus the King of the Dead for only one can truly possess the title King in Black.








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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 03, 2020, 02:33:02 pm
I only saw him in one panel, but it seemed more like an drawing error. Lol

I guess Steve is officially the leader after Age of Kushu.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2020, 11:53:38 am
I only saw him in one panel, but it seemed more like an drawing error. Lol

I guess Steve is officially the leader after Age of Kushu.

Is he? It's not very clear. In the images above Maybe T'Challa was in Wakanda which is why it appears Steve is in charge. I am hoping that T'Challa only out Steve in charge again because he knew he was going to be captured so he was just planning ahead and Steve is fully going to relinquish control now that he's back
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 05, 2020, 01:58:01 pm
I only saw him in one panel, but it seemed more like an drawing error. Lol

I guess Steve is officially the leader after Age of Kushu.

Is he? It's not very clear. In the images above Maybe T'Challa was in Wakanda which is why it appears Steve is in charge. I am hoping that T'Challa only out Steve in charge again because he knew he was going to be captured so he was just planning ahead and Steve is fully going to relinquish control now that he's back

He's in the upper left panel which is his only appearance. I believe they're in New York evaluating civilians. So I think Cap is back to leading.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/7PsuAIaW4G50li8ytlEY-hCi4hOx1MWAIfcwlV8KxYDQsfj4jGV3VEimQaDQjO_FRojACjOTeam9KAihntyWYYI9GZ5AZmfJXIiQg1d9ZjhKBRQdUIzjv986zssO6h3ufddWB_BAWw=s1600)
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ture on December 05, 2020, 02:27:30 pm
That's cool, let Cap lead the Avengers. T'Challa has to lead Wakanda. The Black Panther must prepare for Knull and what I hope will be an encounter with the Aliens franchise.

(https://preview.redd.it/9y0c4os6gvu51.jpg?width=970&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef6b36da6f1c0476968e1cc57c9b54e94d9ef9a6)

Like Wolverine...

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WTm1ylV-FrY/X5RDxeRj_RI/AAAAAAAEo4I/vkuy8Qp-h74UGA7fh7JyfgZorPiyeAO4gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1057/alienwolver.jpeg)

I want to see the Black Panther logo on the cover not Avengers. I don't appreciate their logo on his merchandise either.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 05, 2020, 03:05:09 pm
I'd want someone down the line to do a Priest twist and reveal that he excepted the role as leader to prevent potential early threats to WK and keep world govts at mild tension levels with each other so they don't unite  to threaten WK one day. And I'd keep the statement Zub made in panel that he picked those Agents of WK because they're expendable. Without trying to lighten it at the end if the story like he did.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ture on December 05, 2020, 03:09:53 pm
That could work.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ture on December 05, 2020, 04:16:43 pm
ANYONE READ THIS YET?

(https://res.cloudinary.com/serial-box/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,h_1500,w_1500/v1/uploads/production/season/cover_tall-10254b6c-7102-4853-8488-0536bd3b4809)


The Black Panther has a terrible secret. T'Challa strives for excellence—to be a fair and worthy king, a global citizen, an Avenger. But when an army of undead threatens Wakanda, The Black Panther turns to his long-lost father in the fight against his most lethal opponent yet—the demons of his past. Narrated by William Jackson Harper. Written by Ira Madison III, Mohale Mashigo, Geoffrey Thorne, Tananarive Due, and Steven Barnes. Art by Khary Randolph.


The free preview I read was well written. I'm thinking about getting it as a Kwanzaa gift.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 05, 2020, 04:33:21 pm
I didn't think it was out until January?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ezyo on December 05, 2020, 04:51:12 pm
I'd want someone down the line to do a Priest twist and reveal that he excepted the role as leader to prevent potential early threats to WK and keep world govts at mild tension levels with each other so they don't unite  to threaten WK one day. And I'd keep the statement Zub made in panel that he picked those Agents of WK because they're expendable. Without trying to lighten it at the end if the story like he did.

Oooh that's smooth, I could accept that as a okay explanation. Frankly he was more Interesting leading then cap since T'Challa was making big plays and allowing us a view into the political side of leading the Avengers
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 05, 2020, 04:54:35 pm
ANYONE READ THIS YET?

(https://res.cloudinary.com/serial-box/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,h_1500,w_1500/v1/uploads/production/season/cover_tall-10254b6c-7102-4853-8488-0536bd3b4809)


The Black Panther has a terrible secret. T'Challa strives for excellence—to be a fair and worthy king, a global citizen, an Avenger. But when an army of undead threatens Wakanda, The Black Panther turns to his long-lost father in the fight against his most lethal opponent yet—the demons of his past. Narrated by William Jackson Harper. Written by Ira Madison III, Mohale Mashigo, Geoffrey Thorne, Tananarive Due, and Steven Barnes. Art by Khary Randolph.


The free preview I read was well written. I'm thinking about getting it as a Kwanzaa gift.

What free preview? Where is it? Link please, Brother Ture?

OmLAWD I'm getting this! The writing team? Is DAZZLING! I love it! Whassuuuup, Redjack! You makin MOVES, bruh! And it's so good to see the master storycrafters Tananarive and Steve Barnes back at writing, again.

How many times over the years have I touted adventures with T'Challa and T'Chaka working together...and even at lethal odds with one another? Many times. Over a decade of being on HEF. I specifically mentioned that the return of T'Chaka would threaten or remove T'Challa's legitimacy as current Ruling Panther King...and this inescapable consequence of the resurrection of The Great King T'Chaka factors strongly into the above story.

Seems like someone was listening. Or..."great minds..."

However it got here? Glad it's here. And is this official Marvel canon, or not?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: CvilleWakandan on December 05, 2020, 05:18:53 pm
They added the voice work to the preview. Before it 2as just text.

https://www.serialbox.com/serials/black-panther?season=1 (https://www.serialbox.com/serials/black-panther?season=1)

It's not canon, Marvek has been doing these audio serials for a few years. Started with Wolverines "ThevLong Night"
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Redjack on December 31, 2020, 12:52:59 pm
KIB is going to burn the house down.


Everyone here will be well-pleased.


Just saw the final art.


FIRE, baby. FIRE.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ture on January 06, 2021, 12:12:28 am
KIB is going to burn the house down.


Everyone here will be well-pleased.


Just saw the final art.


FIRE, baby. FIRE.

Now that's sounds like someone who wants to write the Black Panther. Can't wait to see the previews.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 06, 2021, 02:15:27 pm
KIB is going to burn the house down.


Everyone here will be well-pleased.


Just saw the final art.


FIRE, baby. FIRE.

Now that's sounds like someone who wants to write the Black Panther. Can't wait to see the previews.


I!! LOVE!! IT!!!
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black (The Preludes and Nocturnes)
Post by: Ture on January 14, 2021, 06:47:32 pm
T'Challa and Storm Enter the Symbiote Saga with 'King in Black: Black Panther' #1
What happens when Knull's army invades Wakanda?
BY MARVEL
Symbiotes invade the unconquerable country of Wakanda. T’Challa’s most treasured allies are lost in a storm of Knull’s making. How does a King respond?

Critically acclaimed writer, actor, and producer Geoffrey Thorne explores a Wakanda gone dark—invaded by Knull’s massive symbiote army. Wakanda needs its leader. It needs the Black Panther. But once again, the hero must choose between his role as an Avenger, his role as a king…and the yearnings of his heart.

Join Geoffrey Thorne, artist Germán Peralta, and colorist Jesus Aburtov on February 10 for KING IN BLACK: BLACK PANTHER #1.


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"It is always my honor and pleasure to write a T'Challa adventure," says Thorne. "Any format. Any medium. Any time. Any place. I couldn't be happier to be part of this team and I hope we do our own king in black justice. Wakanda Forever."

Look inside the one-shot right here—then get a special peek at the process with Peralta's inked pages in the gallery below!


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Pre-order the mag with your local comic shop today before reading it on February 10!

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tchalla-storm-symbiote-king-in-black-black-panther-preview (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/tchalla-storm-symbiote-king-in-black-black-panther-preview)








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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - PREVIEW
Post by: Kimoyo on January 16, 2021, 08:40:31 am
Beyond HOT!!!!!

I'm in!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - PREVIEW
Post by: Ture on January 16, 2021, 11:14:22 am
This right here...

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AIR T'CHALLA...
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - PREVIEW
Post by: Ture on January 16, 2021, 02:14:35 pm
Just looking over the previews we got for BLACK PANTHER - King in Black. That first page is gorgeous as it is powerful. The purple light in the distance followed by the next frame of something flying at high speeds then the third frames shows a very determined dare I say very pissed off T'Challa the Black Panther. Pissed off at having to help save the world while Wakanda needs his leadership into war.

I also like the way the page shows Storm's power as well as the expression on her face as the shadow of a giant hand descends upon her. Fear not the Black Panther will let no harm befall his queen. I imagine this scene occurring in the beginning of the book. Germán Peralta and Jesus Aburtov really came off well with this page.

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Especially so for me as I never liked Stelfreeze's ship design. It looked way too fragile to me to be useful in type of military engagement but as a jet pack on the Black Panther the design looks formidable.


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The second page comes off to me as T'Challa the Black Panther returning home and witnessing those Wakandans who live in the suburbs outside the Golden City engage in combat. Here we see the point I was making about Stelfreeze's airships just looking impotent. I don't think this is the Wakandan military, more like its Boarder Patrol. The symbiote attackers haven't reached the city in the distance as far I can tell. I expect on the way there and maybe in the city itself, is where we will witness the full firepower of the Wakandan war machine.

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The third page is the Black Panther dropping in to lend a lethal hand. I can appreciate the continuity of using Stelfreeze's designs for the soldiers but again they look more like they would better function as personal security rather military fighters.


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Wakandan blood has been spilled and an accounting is due. The Black Panther performs his patented power blast landing. What would be cool if the jet pack morphed back into the panther habit. Now I do love Stelfreeze's exposed vibranium tech seen whenever T'Challa executes a punch, kick, block or energy discharge.

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I'm looking forward to BLACK PANTHER - King in Black, as there should be much to discuss.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - PREVIEW
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 18, 2021, 04:06:10 pm
Just looking over the previews we got for BLACK PANTHER - King in Black. That first page is gorgeous as it is powerful. The purple light in the distance followed by the next frame of something flying at high speeds then the third frames shows a very determined dare I say very pissed off T'Challa the Black Panther. Pissed off at having to help save the world while Wakanda needs his leadership into war.

I also like the way the page shows Storm's power as well as the expression on her face as the shadow of a giant hand descends upon her. Fear not the Black Panther will let no harm befall his queen. I imagine this scene occurring in the beginning of the book. Germán Peralta and Jesus Aburtov really came off well with this page.

(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/blapkib2021001001_col_0.jpg)

Especially so for me as I never liked Stelfreeze's ship design. It looked way too fragile to me to be useful in type of military engagement but as a jet pack on the Black Panther the design looks formidable.


(https://djmmtgamechangerdoc.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/wakanda-airship.jpg?w=685)

The second page comes off to me as T'Challa the Black Panther returning home and witnessing those Wakandans who live in the suburbs outside the Golden City engage in combat. Here we see the point I was making about Stelfreeze's airships just looking impotent. I don't think this is the Wakandan military, more like its Boarder Patrol. The symbiote attackers haven't reached the city in the distance as far I can tell. I expect on the way there and maybe in the city itself, is where we will witness the full firepower of the Wakandan war machine.

(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/blapkib2021001002_col.jpg)

The third page is the Black Panther dropping in to lend a lethal hand. I can appreciate the continuity of using Stelfreeze's designs for the soldiers but again they look more like they would better function as personal security rather military fighters.


(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/zl3k5LwrEEHYDs2Laqw_-0p_AVo=/0x0:2062x3131/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:2062x3131):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6290139/BLAP2016001_FINAL-3.0.jpg)

Wakandan blood has been spilled and an accounting is due. The Black Panther performs his patented power blast landing. What would be cool if the jet pack morphed back into the panther habit. Now I do love Stelfreeze's exposed vibranium tech seen whenever T'Challa executes a punch, kick, block or energy discharge.

(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/blapkib2021001003_col.jpg)

I'm looking forward to BLACK PANTHER - King in Black, as there should be much to discuss.


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sees Redjack's dope KING IN BLACK and...

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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Less Than A Week Away! Geoff Thorne Speaks!
Post by: Ture on February 04, 2021, 09:40:11 am
Black Panther: Sins of the King Writer Geoff Thorne Wants to Ask the Tough Questions

Charles Pulliam-Moore

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Art from Black Panther: Sins of the King.
Image: Khary Randolph/Serial Box


Though we’re still a long ways out from Ryan Coogler’s follow up to the first Black Panther movie and the recently-announced Wakanda series heading to Disney+, there’s quite a bit going on with T’Challa in the broader landscape of Marvel stories about mortals stepping up to the plate to become heroes and more.

Serial Box’s upcoming audiobook Black Panther: Sins of the King—from writers Ira Madison, Tananarive Due, Mohale Mashigo, and Geoff Thorne—pulls in different elements of the Black Panther mythos that came by way of the comics, books, tv shows, and movies to tell a unique story about Wakanda’s place in the world and T’Challa’s sense of justice. Each chapter, narrated by The Good Place’s William Jackson Harper, pulls you deeper into Sins of the King’s vision of Wakanda and its king at a time when they’re both considering what sorts of responsibility they have to humanity as a whole to share their power despite the world’s troubled history.

When we caught up with Thorne by phone recently, he went into detail about where Sins of the King fits into the Black Panther’s overall pop-cultural canon, and what sorts of questions he, as a lifelong lover of comics, thinks the medium could stand to raise and address more often.


Charles Pulliam-Moore, io9: Talk to me about this book’s team. Even though this is a Black Panther story, I think a lot of people are going to be a little surprised to see characters like Misty Knight and the Vision pop up so soon.

Geoff Thorne: Ira [Madison] was our project lead, so some of this boiled down to the ideas he brought to the table. I think we all agreed that if the story was going to visit New York City at all, and Misty didn’t show up, we were really dropping the ball. Everybody loves Misty, and I don’t think there are many worlds within Marvel where you couldn’t justify her presence because she can travel, in the sense that you can see her going wherever she wants to go, she talks a lot of smack, and she isn’t intimidated by anyone.

With the Vision, it was really a matter of “Which fun Avengers can we fit into this story to remind people that T’Challa is a part of that organization? The movies have done X, and the comics have done Y, so we wanted to find something a little surprising, but familiar all the same, which is why we’ve got Ant-Man and the Wasp there, even though they’re still new to the Avengers as of the last film for a lot of people.

io9: You can feel how these versions of the characters have pieces of their cinematic counterparts in them, but they are distinctly different, though.

Thorne: Yeah. Again, Avengers: Endgame sort of put everyone on the table for the MCU and you got to see characters like Black Panther and War Machine working as a kind of unit, but the last time many people had seen these characters, they were fighting, and we thought it would be interesting to see them in different kinds of contexts. We also didn’t want to make our team a “Black brigade” where we just threw all of the Black Avengers together and called it a day. Misty was fun, and we thought Vision’s power set would be interesting to have here, and for this story we really wanted to work with more of the ideas from his comics incarnation.

io9: We’re gonna double back on this, because I want to hear more of your thoughts about Vision and the Scarlet Witch, but let’s talk more Wakanda, first.

Thorne: For sure.

io9: There’s a moment early into this series where Misty and T’Challa are faced with a death that forces them both to contemplate what all the Wakandan concept of justice means now that the nation’s become part of the global stage. What were the sort of ideas about heroism for T’Challa personally and for Wakanda as a nation did you want to dig into with Sins of the King?

Thorne: I think part of the balance in this story comes from the way T’Challa is forced to sit with those questions and ponder them for himself. What is justice from the Wakandan point of view? He’s walking a thin, thin tightrope in that first episode where he’s choosing whether or not to intervene in what’s happening, whether he should be with the Avengers or not, and how all of these create political tensions for Wakanda, which had always been a hermit kingdom.

The importance of focusing on what Wakanda needs is primal for the Black Panther, and what’s important to remember is that Wakandan justice is harsh.

io9: Say more about that.

Thorne: [laughing] Well, think about it. If you steal something from Wakanda and they, for some reason, choose not to kill you—they’ll brand you. Until T’Challa’s father, outsiders didn’t really cross Wakanda’s borders and survive. Wakanda’s never been a marshall society, but it’s never been a soft society, either, and centuries of intense self-protection is impossible to shake off. T’Challa’s argument is that Wakandans are the most advanced people on the planet, which means he and the nation have an obligation, not a choice, to protect themselves and the entire world.

io9: Post-the Black Panther film, the discourse pretty quickly shifted to focus on what you’re talking about—what culpability Wakandas had in-universe for standing by and witnessing the world’s atrocities in the past, and how a real Wakanda might be seen in the context of a world in which the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Do you feel as if there are more conversations to be had here, both for the texts themselves and within fandoms?

Thorne: I’ve got to be very careful about how I answer here, and I want to make clear that I’m not speaking for anybody else here or about Sins of the King specifically.

io9: Sure.

Thorne: The modern Wakandan sense of needing to protect comes from T’Chaka. It’s tough to see, but the Wakandan perspective really was “Nah, that’s on you guys. I’m sorry that you’re getting colonized, and stolen into chattel slavery.” I think you could see the argument unfolding within Wakanda, and it really boiled down to the counter-argument: “If we stop this, we’re basically saying that we have to take over the world because if we do this now, the only way to enforce justice is to keep going and take over. Because they won’t stop. They’ve been doing this forever, as we all know. We could do that, but is that us?”

io9: Right.

Thorne: That’s really the only legitimate counter moral argument the Wakandans can make because the alternative would make them monsters, which they aren’t. I do think all of this should be addressed, but there has to be an appetite to address it from the powers that be, but the movies did things that the books don’t do, and the books do things the movies don’t do, and I hope our Serial Box endeavor does something that neither of those other mediums have done before.

io9: Let’s double back to Wanda and Vision before I let you go. Before we hopped on the call, I was going through your Twitter page and saw that you had some...thoughts about the Scarlet Witch, and the mutants.

Thorne: [laughing] Hey, man, listen. Everybody loves Wanda.

io9: [laughing] So I’ve heard. You were catching a lot of heat about M Day, Wanda, and the mutants’ usefulness as a metaphor for persecuted people, which ended up becoming a conversation about whether you were in the “Wanda was right” camp.

Thorne: I could have made that comment without the “Wanda was right comment,” but let’s just say that I’m a provocateur. Let me just say this: Black and brown people have been having this discussion basically forever. I love the X-Men, but the metaphor works only up to the point where people start shooting laser beams out of their eyes. With persecuted and marginalized people, it’s not that they’re actually dangerous, it’s that racist, homophobes, and misogynists have an irrational phobia of these people.

The problem with mutants and the X-Men is partially that they are very dangerous, often. Magneto and Storm, just the two of them, could accidentally wipe out baseline humanity. I’m allowed to be worried about that. It’s not the same thing as a gay couple setting up a house at the end of my cul-de-sac and starting a family.

io9: That’s very true.

Thorne: But also, what makes mutants special? People can’t really tell the difference between the Hulk and Colossus aside from the fact that they’re empowered people. The Thing literally looks like a monster, and just walks around New York where people are like “Hey, there’s Ben!” Meanwhile, Colossus, who’s a fairly attractive young man, could be walking around and the moment he turns on his steel, you’d hear “Oh my god, a mutant!” It doesn’t make sense.

io9: It’s that accent. New Yorkers? Sure. But Russians?

Thorne: Right, because no one’s ever bumped into a Russian person in New York City. I’m not saying the metaphor can’t work, I’m saying it doesn’t work in its current configuration to say all the things people think it’s saying.

Black Panther: Sins of the King is now available through Serial Box.


https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-sins-of-the-king-writer-geoff-thorne-wan-1846189427
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks! + Updated Preview!
Post by: Ture on February 04, 2021, 05:35:58 pm
Marvel Comics Exclusive Preview: KING IN BLACK: BLACK PANTHER #1
By Anthony Composto
February 4, 2021
KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #1 hits your local comic book store February 10th, but thanks to Marvel Comics, Monkeys Fighting Robots has an exclusive four-page preview for you.

About the issue:
SYMBIOTES INVADE THE UNCONQUERABLE COUNTRY OF WAKANDA!
T’Challa’s most treasured allies are lost in a storm of Knull’s making in this wild one-shot! Critically acclaimed writer, actor and producer Geoffrey Thorne explores a Wakanda gone dark – invaded by Knull’s massive symbiote army. Wakanda needs its king. It needs the Black Panther. But once again, the hero must choose between his role as an Avenger, his role as a king… and the yearnings of his heart.

KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #11 is by writer Geoffrey Thorne and artist German Peralta, with colors by Jesus Aburtov, and letters by Joe Sabino.

CHECK OUT THE KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #1 PREVIEW BELOW:


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Less Than A Week Away! Geoff Thorne Speaks!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 04, 2021, 05:39:46 pm
Okay. To me? This issue about Wakanda not stopping the slave trade in a strange sense delves a little too much in the real world history of the conflicts of humanity and not enough "reality" in taking in the fantastic notion that this nation of Wakanda exists for real...AND SO DO ALL THE OTHER FANTASTIC ELEMENTS.

Let's be blunt. Wakanda would dog walk the rest of human civilization at the time of slavery. One million years ago, Bashenga was the only straight up human mortal hotboxin with the Original Avengers; a cast of gods and cosmic powers led by Odin. And Bashenga? Felt sure that he could kill every last one of The Original Avengers if it came down to it. So racist ruthless repulsive evil Arab guys? Soulless vomitous infinitely greedy European slaver guys? Not a problem.

But. Let's add some other comic book "reality" to this, and see what we come up with. If we do this? We'll see that lots of other issues are being overlooked here; issues that Wakanda WOULD NOT overlook, and which would put a lot more "real world comic context" into her decisions.

Slavery? Would provide live human sacrifices to all the super criminals, would be world conquerors, dark gods and netherworldly beasts on or dealing with 616 Earth. Everyone from Chthon to Apocalypse. From The Mandarin to Dracula. From The King of Spain to Dormammu. From the various rulers pre and post Mamluk Revolt to The Mongol Wars to The Kree, Skrull and Deviant Lemurians who all would lust after slaves for labor, reproduction and if you're the Dark Gods? Food. Pluto, Hades, etc would feast upon THE SOULS of those sacrificed, and they and their acolytes would drink the blood as well.

Now. Could Wakanda...barely bigger than the state of New Jersey...defeat ALL THE EVIL FORCES IN AND AROUND 616 EARTH AT THE SAME TIME? Should Wakanda even put herself in such a position where she might be forced to find out?

The answer to both questions is "NO". These combined evil forces would be as loathe to try Wakanda and her Gods as vice versa, so we're looking at the very definition of not just a Cold War, but The Coldest War. And that is why Wakanda took the path that R to the H said Wakanda took when RH was the first and to my knowledge still THEE ONLY writer with the courage integrity and skills to address the "Wakanda+Slavery" situation.

I like Reggie's conclusion and description as to what Wakanda did; such a tact and approach is very sensible imo for a xenophobic, secretive nation. That: "Nah, it's on you bruh that you gettin locked up like that" explanation isn't imo a suitable explanation for THE MAJORITY OPINION of Wakandans. Sure there are lots of Wakandans who back then, now and in the future will take such a position; but the MAJORITY OF WAKANDANS are far too enlightened and far too practical for such a position to take hold of more than say 25% of the population.

I like my explanation as to WHY Wakanda did what she did and the fearsomeness of the potential opposition she would face and its threat to Wakanda better.

What y'all think?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks! + Updated Preview!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 04, 2021, 05:43:21 pm
Marvel Comics Exclusive Preview: KING IN BLACK: BLACK PANTHER #1
By Anthony Composto
February 4, 2021
KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #1 hits your local comic book store February 10th, but thanks to Marvel Comics, Monkeys Fighting Robots has an exclusive four-page preview for you.

About the issue:
SYMBIOTES INVADE THE UNCONQUERABLE COUNTRY OF WAKANDA!
T’Challa’s most treasured allies are lost in a storm of Knull’s making in this wild one-shot! Critically acclaimed writer, actor and producer Geoffrey Thorne explores a Wakanda gone dark – invaded by Knull’s massive symbiote army. Wakanda needs its king. It needs the Black Panther. But once again, the hero must choose between his role as an Avenger, his role as a king… and the yearnings of his heart.

KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #11 is by writer Geoffrey Thorne and artist German Peralta, with colors by Jesus Aburtov, and letters by Joe Sabino.

CHECK OUT THE KING IN BLACK BLACK PANTHER #1 PREVIEW BELOW:


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AND SOME PEOPLE WONDER WHY I LOVE THIS GEOFFREY THORNE GUY! GET EM, REDJACK!!!!
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks! + Updated Preview!
Post by: Ture on February 04, 2021, 06:18:47 pm
MY TAKE: BLACK PANTHER (COMICS ONLY)

So, I think it's been long enough (three years or more) since I and several other writers were asked to pitch their arcs for the, then, upcoming Black Panther reboot comic.

David Walker, myself and some dude named Coates were up for the gig along with two others, maybe, whose names I never got. We know who got the gig and it's been long enough that I thought it would be fun to post my first pitch for the comic series. I won't be posting the second pitch which is QUITE different from this one and has multiple elements I might want to use later or elsewhere.

As always, this is not a criticism against what is being done in the comics. The best gladiator won and that's the end of that. But some people have asked me about what I would have done and if the Black Panther's Quest show is similar. It is not.

Anyway, here's what I would've done..

BLACK PANTHER: THE RULE OF FIVE

After the many recent upheavals in his life– the loss of Wakanda’s vibranium, the devastation of his country, the betrayal of his wife/annulment of his marriage and the loss of his throne– T’Challa is juggling a lot of inner conflict and doubt. So he returns home to reconnect with his spiritual roots, hoping to find a path forward.

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In the past many have asked, “Who is the Black Panther?” Now T’Challa is asking, not “Who?” but “What?” Ruler? Scientist? Spy?

It’s a big question. The Panther God isn’t answering prayers. His people have their hands full rebuilding the nation. For the first time in his life, T’Challa has no answers. For the first time he is truly on his own.

One of the things that gets lost sometimes in all the intrigue of T’Challa’s story is he spends a significant amount of his time as a ruler not ruling, not being at home, not looking after his people and only his people. Sure, his sister’s the Queen now but, with a nation like Wakanda– whose hereditary rulers span back thousands of years in an unbroken line– not being King feels like a massive betrayal of everything T’Challa was raised to be.

Wakandans are navel gazers, something T’Challa has never been. Which path is the right one?

THE RULE OF FIVE

ARC 1: DUTY

Duty. Knowledge. Honor. Loyalty. Justice. These are the claws of the Panther Clan.

For its ruling family they form the pedestal upon which all action, all thought, is built.  Let's begin.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_5e1c0c1eb35b406bb932a5e6748936d1~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_186,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_5e1c0c1eb35b406bb932a5e6748936d1~mv2.webp)

HAMMER BAY, Genosha, Southern Africa. In the wee hours of a dark night, three terrified people are stalked through the city streets. Their cells do not work. There are no cops available.

Whatever it is that’s hunting them brutally kills two of the runners before it’s zapped unconscious by more of their comrades. The rescuers (and victims) are operatives of a private agency equipped with high‐end weapons akin to those used by SHEILD.

They drag the unconscious hunter– a man in strange circuit‐laced, clothing– home, where they argue about what to do next.

The debate is shut down when their boss, JENNIFER SWENSON, arrives.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_16eff3d873f340509f5f5c26ce00a604~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_235,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_16eff3d873f340509f5f5c26ce00a604~mv2.webp)

Jen’s livid. The Genosha office was meant to be the expansion of her company, an NGO that provides “advance relief” to people on the brink of some disaster.

Now two of her people are dead and, instead of calling the cops, the survivors chose to bring the killer here?! WTH!

They point out that there’s a problem. She should take a look at the prisoner and see for herself. When she does, Jen is shocked to find the killer is none other than the former ruler of Wakanda, the Black Panther.

When she confronts him, he explains: Days previous, T’Challa foiled an attack on his sister made by what turned out to be some sort of disguised monster/human hybrid never seen before.

After tracking it to the home village of the Panther clan, they find the place filled with corpses. The hybrid killed all the villagers over a long period and no one noticed? This is past bad. With difficulty, T’Challa and Shuri put the creature down but not before Shuri is injured terribly. She’ll be out of commission for some time.

An examination of the creature’s weapons reveals an exotic sort of syringe- possibly alien technology.

This thing meant to infect Shuri with some sort of toxin. Studying the creature’s personal effects reveals it was part of an NGO that had sent a small team to offer proposals to help with Wakanda’s rebuilding efforts. The other three members of that team have just left the country for their HQ in Genosha.

Wakanda’s ruling council expects T’Challa to take over as regent until Shuri recovers but, to everyone’s shock, he refuses. If the others are hybrids, he says, they can’t be allowed to escape into the world at large. They must be found. If they’re not hybrids, they must be questioned. If they are, they must be put down, fast. Ebola fast.

He tracks them to Hammer Bay and manages to kill two more before the rest of Jen’s people zap him unconscious.

Now Jen’s all caught up but the weight’s on her now. If T’Challa’s on the level, this is a big, REALLY scary deal. If he’s not, it’s almost worse. Decisions, decisions.

T’Challa confirms: It’s worse.

By now the surviving hybrids will have converted all her people. That’s what the toxin is, a virus that turns humans into hybrid monsters. Jennifer is likely the only one of her crew who hasn’t been turned.

Swenson’s colleagues return, confirming T’Challa’s hypothesis. The rest of Jen’s people are now hybrids. He has also deduced their identity. These are Skrulls.

Well, sort of.

The virus overwrites human DNA with Skrull, creating the hybrids with one little wrinkle. Hybrid: Singular. Not plural. There is only one Skrull here.

The hybrids are a single intelligence, replicated virally in its victims. The original Skrull means to punish Wakanda’s royals for what they did in the Secret Invasion.

Though there are now treaties between the Skrull throneworld and Earth, this is a blood debt between the family of the general T’Challa killed and the Wakandan royals; it’s a personal vendetta.

The hybrid plans to take Wakanda and then, just possibly, the rest of the world. There’s no cure for the hybrid conversion, after all.

T’Challa doesn’t care about the motive, only the mechanism. By allowing himself to be captured here, he’s got the hybrid where he wanted it. All the players are in one place, away from his home and people. Now he can finish it, Wakanda Style.

Needless to say a fight breaks out, pitting T’Challa and Swenson against a building full of shapeshifting monsters. Swenson turns out to be an asset, using some of her NGO’s tech to help fight off the monsters. Even so, the fight is brutal.

In order to protect Swenson, T’Challa is forced to run. He’s in unknown territory, being pursued by the hybrids (now all melded into a single form for better massacring).

Sending Swenson to the Wakandan embassy, T’Challa leads the hybrid to the city’s central plaza (Genosha’s 30 Rock) where there is a Wakandan gift- a small version of a jungle- ringing the main building like a park.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_b5e3f5b0f4134fc79f7882c7520b7fc5~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_104,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_b5e3f5b0f4134fc79f7882c7520b7fc5~mv2.webp)

T’Challa scatters the few people who are around and dives into the jungle, chased by the hybrid, who thinks this is a big joke– poor little cat, trying to hide in the woods.

But, as usual, Wakandan gifts always hide a secret. In this case, the park is a smaller version of the famous techno jungle (think techno-organic Danger Room with no safeties) which can only be activated by one of the royal family.

The jungle attacks the hybrid as it hunts for T’Challa, whittling away at its strength and pissing it off. Now with a fighting chance, T’Challa braces the creature directly, hitting and running, literally cutting it down to size before he finally kills it.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_1661385fe56f4bbd83d82201fd5f9d55~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_285,h_275,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_1661385fe56f4bbd83d82201fd5f9d55~mv2.webp)

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_102d3d96b94a4ee5b151f4e9fbe7417e~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_285,h_289,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_102d3d96b94a4ee5b151f4e9fbe7417e~mv2.webp)

The Genoshan authorities arrive to clean up but the work here is done. Score one for the Panther. It makes him think. Maybe he’s never been cut out for kingship. Protecting the world’s innocents from its villains and monsters has always been where his heart lies.

What is the Panther? Not a king. Not a vigilante. Not even a man. The Black Panther is a hero– always has been. It’s time he admitted it to himself and everyone else.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_df666416ed994e2fa357b30692bb53f2~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_221,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_df666416ed994e2fa357b30692bb53f2~mv2.webp)

Geoff Thorne – September, 2014, Los Angeles

WRITER’S NOTE: For many years now, comic book fandom has mistakenly referred to the Panther as “Marvel’s Batman.” In my opinion this has never been an accurate description.

While their silhouette might be vaguely similar, the Black Panther has never been “that guy.” He’s not broken by tragedy and obsessed with crime (Batman). He’s not a mad scientist, good or bad (Dr. Doom or Reed Richards). He’s not a narcissistic genius (Tony Stark).

He is a protector, an innovator, an explorer. He’s not Marvel’s Batman; he’s Marvel’s Doc Savage.


https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2018/11/15/my-take-black-panther-comics-only (https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2018/11/15/my-take-black-panther-comics-only)

Courtesy of CBR's Redjack
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: CvilleWakandan on February 04, 2021, 11:37:30 pm
That's a great preview.

The engagement policies need to upgraded though. Shouldn't wait for Tchalla to tell you to put a sheath on if the fight has already started. Lol.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: Ezyo on February 06, 2021, 09:45:24 am
Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: CvilleWakandan on February 06, 2021, 10:08:17 am
Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy

I read the explanation. It made it worse. Lol. So all the equipment is in the field because the shield is being threatened.

If I'm in the group being sent to investigate, I'd start with the sheath deployed. It'd have been better to say it was a standard patrol compsed of air and ground troops that got ambushed and the shield wasn't deployed yet.

Because before this scene, Knull has already surrounded the planet with symbiote.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks! + Updated Preview!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 06, 2021, 01:51:40 pm
MY TAKE: BLACK PANTHER (COMICS ONLY)

So, I think it's been long enough (three years or more) since I and several other writers were asked to pitch their arcs for the, then, upcoming Black Panther reboot comic.

David Walker, myself and some dude named Coates were up for the gig along with two others, maybe, whose names I never got. We know who got the gig and it's been long enough that I thought it would be fun to post my first pitch for the comic series. I won't be posting the second pitch which is QUITE different from this one and has multiple elements I might want to use later or elsewhere.

As always, this is not a criticism against what is being done in the comics. The best gladiator won and that's the end of that. But some people have asked me about what I would have done and if the Black Panther's Quest show is similar. It is not.

Anyway, here's what I would've done..

BLACK PANTHER: THE RULE OF FIVE

After the many recent upheavals in his life– the loss of Wakanda’s vibranium, the devastation of his country, the betrayal of his wife/annulment of his marriage and the loss of his throne– T’Challa is juggling a lot of inner conflict and doubt. So he returns home to reconnect with his spiritual roots, hoping to find a path forward.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_fbffd56471a04839af3e2cc9e7c40251~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_285,h_282,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_fbffd56471a04839af3e2cc9e7c40251~mv2.webp)

In the past many have asked, “Who is the Black Panther?” Now T’Challa is asking, not “Who?” but “What?” Ruler? Scientist? Spy?

It’s a big question. The Panther God isn’t answering prayers. His people have their hands full rebuilding the nation. For the first time in his life, T’Challa has no answers. For the first time he is truly on his own.

One of the things that gets lost sometimes in all the intrigue of T’Challa’s story is he spends a significant amount of his time as a ruler not ruling, not being at home, not looking after his people and only his people. Sure, his sister’s the Queen now but, with a nation like Wakanda– whose hereditary rulers span back thousands of years in an unbroken line– not being King feels like a massive betrayal of everything T’Challa was raised to be.

Wakandans are navel gazers, something T’Challa has never been. Which path is the right one?

THE RULE OF FIVE

ARC 1: DUTY

Duty. Knowledge. Honor. Loyalty. Justice. These are the claws of the Panther Clan.

For its ruling family they form the pedestal upon which all action, all thought, is built.  Let's begin.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_5e1c0c1eb35b406bb932a5e6748936d1~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_186,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_5e1c0c1eb35b406bb932a5e6748936d1~mv2.webp)

HAMMER BAY, Genosha, Southern Africa. In the wee hours of a dark night, three terrified people are stalked through the city streets. Their cells do not work. There are no cops available.

Whatever it is that’s hunting them brutally kills two of the runners before it’s zapped unconscious by more of their comrades. The rescuers (and victims) are operatives of a private agency equipped with high‐end weapons akin to those used by SHEILD.

They drag the unconscious hunter– a man in strange circuit‐laced, clothing– home, where they argue about what to do next.

The debate is shut down when their boss, JENNIFER SWENSON, arrives.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_16eff3d873f340509f5f5c26ce00a604~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_235,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_16eff3d873f340509f5f5c26ce00a604~mv2.webp)

Jen’s livid. The Genosha office was meant to be the expansion of her company, an NGO that provides “advance relief” to people on the brink of some disaster.

Now two of her people are dead and, instead of calling the cops, the survivors chose to bring the killer here?! WTH!

They point out that there’s a problem. She should take a look at the prisoner and see for herself. When she does, Jen is shocked to find the killer is none other than the former ruler of Wakanda, the Black Panther.

When she confronts him, he explains: Days previous, T’Challa foiled an attack on his sister made by what turned out to be some sort of disguised monster/human hybrid never seen before.

After tracking it to the home village of the Panther clan, they find the place filled with corpses. The hybrid killed all the villagers over a long period and no one noticed? This is past bad. With difficulty, T’Challa and Shuri put the creature down but not before Shuri is injured terribly. She’ll be out of commission for some time.

An examination of the creature’s weapons reveals an exotic sort of syringe- possibly alien technology.

This thing meant to infect Shuri with some sort of toxin. Studying the creature’s personal effects reveals it was part of an NGO that had sent a small team to offer proposals to help with Wakanda’s rebuilding efforts. The other three members of that team have just left the country for their HQ in Genosha.

Wakanda’s ruling council expects T’Challa to take over as regent until Shuri recovers but, to everyone’s shock, he refuses. If the others are hybrids, he says, they can’t be allowed to escape into the world at large. They must be found. If they’re not hybrids, they must be questioned. If they are, they must be put down, fast. Ebola fast.

He tracks them to Hammer Bay and manages to kill two more before the rest of Jen’s people zap him unconscious.

Now Jen’s all caught up but the weight’s on her now. If T’Challa’s on the level, this is a big, REALLY scary deal. If he’s not, it’s almost worse. Decisions, decisions.

T’Challa confirms: It’s worse.

By now the surviving hybrids will have converted all her people. That’s what the toxin is, a virus that turns humans into hybrid monsters. Jennifer is likely the only one of her crew who hasn’t been turned.

Swenson’s colleagues return, confirming T’Challa’s hypothesis. The rest of Jen’s people are now hybrids. He has also deduced their identity. These are Skrulls.

Well, sort of.

The virus overwrites human DNA with Skrull, creating the hybrids with one little wrinkle. Hybrid: Singular. Not plural. There is only one Skrull here.

The hybrids are a single intelligence, replicated virally in its victims. The original Skrull means to punish Wakanda’s royals for what they did in the Secret Invasion.

Though there are now treaties between the Skrull throneworld and Earth, this is a blood debt between the family of the general T’Challa killed and the Wakandan royals; it’s a personal vendetta.

The hybrid plans to take Wakanda and then, just possibly, the rest of the world. There’s no cure for the hybrid conversion, after all.

T’Challa doesn’t care about the motive, only the mechanism. By allowing himself to be captured here, he’s got the hybrid where he wanted it. All the players are in one place, away from his home and people. Now he can finish it, Wakanda Style.

Needless to say a fight breaks out, pitting T’Challa and Swenson against a building full of shapeshifting monsters. Swenson turns out to be an asset, using some of her NGO’s tech to help fight off the monsters. Even so, the fight is brutal.

In order to protect Swenson, T’Challa is forced to run. He’s in unknown territory, being pursued by the hybrids (now all melded into a single form for better massacring).

Sending Swenson to the Wakandan embassy, T’Challa leads the hybrid to the city’s central plaza (Genosha’s 30 Rock) where there is a Wakandan gift- a small version of a jungle- ringing the main building like a park.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_b5e3f5b0f4134fc79f7882c7520b7fc5~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_104,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_b5e3f5b0f4134fc79f7882c7520b7fc5~mv2.webp)

T’Challa scatters the few people who are around and dives into the jungle, chased by the hybrid, who thinks this is a big joke– poor little cat, trying to hide in the woods.

But, as usual, Wakandan gifts always hide a secret. In this case, the park is a smaller version of the famous techno jungle (think techno-organic Danger Room with no safeties) which can only be activated by one of the royal family.

The jungle attacks the hybrid as it hunts for T’Challa, whittling away at its strength and pissing it off. Now with a fighting chance, T’Challa braces the creature directly, hitting and running, literally cutting it down to size before he finally kills it.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_1661385fe56f4bbd83d82201fd5f9d55~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_285,h_275,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_1661385fe56f4bbd83d82201fd5f9d55~mv2.webp)

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_102d3d96b94a4ee5b151f4e9fbe7417e~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_285,h_289,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_102d3d96b94a4ee5b151f4e9fbe7417e~mv2.webp)

The Genoshan authorities arrive to clean up but the work here is done. Score one for the Panther. It makes him think. Maybe he’s never been cut out for kingship. Protecting the world’s innocents from its villains and monsters has always been where his heart lies.

What is the Panther? Not a king. Not a vigilante. Not even a man. The Black Panther is a hero– always has been. It’s time he admitted it to himself and everyone else.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4691a4_df666416ed994e2fa357b30692bb53f2~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_454,h_221,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/4691a4_df666416ed994e2fa357b30692bb53f2~mv2.webp)

Geoff Thorne – September, 2014, Los Angeles

WRITER’S NOTE: For many years now, comic book fandom has mistakenly referred to the Panther as “Marvel’s Batman.” In my opinion this has never been an accurate description.

While their silhouette might be vaguely similar, the Black Panther has never been “that guy.” He’s not broken by tragedy and obsessed with crime (Batman). He’s not a mad scientist, good or bad (Dr. Doom or Reed Richards). He’s not a narcissistic genius (Tony Stark).

He is a protector, an innovator, an explorer. He’s not Marvel’s Batman; he’s Marvel’s Doc Savage.


https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2018/11/15/my-take-black-panther-comics-only (https://www.geoffreythorne.com/single-post/2018/11/15/my-take-black-panther-comics-only)

Courtesy of CBR's Redjack



I feel where Geoffrey is coming from here. I do. But like I said when I first saw this quote? Imo...and I respect Redjack's opinion and will most definitely buy his BP...in my opinion, though? T"Challa isn't Marvel's Batman. I completely agree with Redjack there.

But imo? He's alot closer to Marvel's Doc Savage, but only if we drastically reduce the grandeur of what and who and why T'Challa is who he is and the Black Panthers are what they are.

Doc Savage is the amazing virile manly hero type, who first appeared in American pulp magazines during the 1930s and 1940s. Real name Clark Savage, Jr., he is a doctor, scientist, adventurer, detective, and polymath who "rights wrongs and punishes evildoers." In that sense? I can see how T'Challa is Marvel's version of the foregoing, because T'Challa is famously vastly more competent than Doc Savage is in every regard.

But T'Challa's spiritual depth, Afrakan worldview, kingly duties and perspective, etc puts him in a class by himself. Not even other Marvel Kings like Black Bolt, Odin and Thor The All-Father have the same perspective as T'Challa does because of the unique history and position of continental Afrika and our Afrikan brethren.

Doc Savage of the 1930's and 1940's would be the embodiment of the paternalism and nationalist, Colonizer mentality that was popular in those times and spectacularly summed up by the [ very popular and widely embraced by White folks of the time ] philosophy of "The White Man's Burden". He would simply be a much more benighn, hypercapable version thereof.

He would find himself in direct opposition with any Black Panther and rapidly defeated if not killed by said BP.

T'Challa's Wakandans would literally live and breathe the Afrikan concepts and philosophies taught in the 42 Negative Confessions of Ma'at.

(https://www.ancientpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/42principlesofmaat.jpg)

The Black Panthers as a whole would be worlds apart and dimensions above Doc Savage. And you know what? I think that Redjack knows this, but also knows that the crusty old fogeys in Marvel Editorial aren't trying to hear none uh that 42 Confessions mess from their own personal perspective. They just want a hit comic book from a Black image that is a moneymaking powerhouse but simultaneously is something they wouldn't deem threatening to them politically or socially.

The Tame Money-Making Negro dressed up in as a true Badass but not the not ultimate threat of the unstoppable, unbreakable, intellectually and spiritually without peer, possessed of riches beyond imagining, hugely relentless, ruthless yet hugely honorable, free Afrakan MAN. To the Colonizers and...let's keep it real and honest...to many in Marvel's offices? This combination in the body of A AFRIKAN MAN is FAR MORE THREATENING than the SAME combination in the body of an Afrikan WOMAN. Taht's why they'll embrace Shuri and let her doe things that they'd never tolerate from T'Challa, if they have their druthers.

And Marvel? Is their game. Their toys. Their company. So they'll always have their druthers. It's like that, what? And that's the way it is.

Until...we blow Milestone, Black Sands, etc. all the way up.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: Redjack on February 06, 2021, 05:58:23 pm
Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy

I read the explanation. It made it worse. Lol. So all the equipment is in the field because the shield is being threatened.

If I'm in the group being sent to investigate, I'd start with the sheath deployed. It'd have been better to say it was a standard patrol compsed of air and ground troops that got ambushed and the shield wasn't deployed yet.

Because before this scene, Knull has already surrounded the planet with symbiote.


well, i guess you'll have to read the whole story.


it's not like I'm going to spoil it just to explain four pages.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 07, 2021, 01:30:46 pm
Redjack commented on the cbr. Saying that in the preview they just started engaging the enemy and didn't know what the were up against.. I also think he did it to showcase that WHY T'Challa is their leader, he is THE guy

I read the explanation. It made it worse. Lol. So all the equipment is in the field because the shield is being threatened.

If I'm in the group being sent to investigate, I'd start with the sheath deployed. It'd have been better to say it was a standard patrol compsed of air and ground troops that got ambushed and the shield wasn't deployed yet.

Because before this scene, Knull has already surrounded the planet with symbiote.


well, i guess you'll have to read the whole story.


it's not like I'm going to spoil it just to explain four pages.


^^^^This likely means? That Redjack has a cogent explanation for what is a blatantly obvious issue [ the undeployed sheath ]. That sheath thing? Was THE FIRST thought I had when I read the unnamed Wakandan and T'Challa's interaction, so I was very much with Ezyo there.

Redjack? My manz RJ. I'm glad that you already addressed this issue. I was buying it anyway, but to get this encouraging [ if semi-oblique ] response from you? Makes a big difference. Now I can tell my boyz...with confidence...to step up n get the RJ BP on this joint right here.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: Ezyo on February 08, 2021, 10:48:41 am
Courtesy of Dboi from the CBR:

Quote from: Dboi654;5367818
https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)

Quote from: Dboi654;5367790
Another good review

https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)

Based on the reviews it confirms one thing I already knew/ wished, that this was a 2-3 parter, if for nothing else but to give us a SWaD part II vibe
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Geoff Thorne Speaks + BP Pitch + New Preview!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 08, 2021, 12:47:39 pm
Courtesy of Dboi from the CBR:

Quote from: Dboi654;5367818
https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2021/02/08/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)

Quote from: Dboi654;5367790
Another good review

https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/ (https://comicbookdispatch.com/king-in-black-black-panther-1-review/)

Based on the reviews it confirms one thing I already knew/ wished, that this was a 2-3 parter, if for nothing else but to give us a SWaD part II vibe


For the first time in YEARS. I can show up to a comic book shop and buy a BP from a Black man that makes me PROUD. That THRILLS me.

Geoffrey Thorne? Redjack? RJ? Thanks, man. We needed that.

Now if only Marvel Editorial could stop being IDIOTS and let you run the whole show visavis the solo BP comic AND the BP cartoon series..?

Nah. That's simply too good of an idea for them to allow. Too much Orlando Jones and Mr. Nansi style powerful positive Blackness.

On the other hand? "Stranger things have happened..."

Here's hoping for some Strange Blackness...BP Style.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Can We Call it Black Wednesday?
Post by: CvilleWakandan on February 10, 2021, 01:00:42 am
It was okay. The pieces were all there, but after the opening battle, there were twelve pages of repeated conversations that pulled me out of the story. By the time the second battle came I had lost interest.

Checking the page count, looks like there are about 10 more pages than the average Marvel book. Cut out those extra and the book would be close to perfect

My story nitpicks are...
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Storm and Shuri had a big falling out in X of Swords Wakanda. Tchalla as well, but him thinking about her isn't a stretch. As far as I know, that hasn't been resolved. Why is Shuri concerned about her at this point?

Okoye was as worried about the energy prowler being revealed as Shuri was about Storm taking the sword without Tchallas' permission. She didn't want the world to know. Was that because it could be easlily be smuggled into other countries for use?

Why use Klaws sonic cannon? Especially if he has to modify it anyway. lol
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Can We Call it Black Wednesday?
Post by: Ture on February 10, 2021, 09:16:28 am
I bought two issues, real comics. It has been way too long since I had the tactile experience of turning pages and holding them up close to see the artist's details and the visual vibrancy of colors leaping at me. Too long since reading words that expressed respect and a long felt familiarity for the titular character. It's been years since I enjoyed a Black Panther comic book, yea I'm calling this a Black Panther comic akin to an annual or giant sized edition. I read Black Panther King in Black with enthusiasm not hesitation, with a sense of excitement not dread and you know what? I really liked it.



Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King In Black - Can We Call it Black Wednesday?
Post by: Ture on February 11, 2021, 11:43:09 am
Just got another issue. I like the variant.

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What makes this book so appealing to long term fans and enthusiasts is that it successfully pulls from so many of the defining aspect of the BP mythos and melds it into an enjoyable narrative that reminds us how great a black Panther solo could be while being easily accessible to the casual BP indulgent.

I think Redjack will be receiving a communique from the Marvel offices very soon.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black is Back!
Post by: Ture on February 12, 2021, 03:20:18 pm
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR COPY BY NOW.

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NUFF SAID.










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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ezyo on February 12, 2021, 05:06:16 pm
my summaroes from the CBR

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Oh my sweet Bast... Redjack... Mr. Thorne... Mr. Frakking Thorne... THAT is OUR T'Challa. THAT is our king. The calculating, the planning, the warrior KING. I wish this was longer, a 3 parter SWaD style. Everyone shined in here. No one was cut down to make another look good. No ones intelligence was sacrificed. We all needed this. As Chester be stated, the ending is what everyone needs to remember, Feige, the Disney higher ups..

Truly amazing and I am utterly blown away at how great that was. You can see and feel the admiration for the character on every page. 100/10.


I like how RJ really set up the difference as well and why T'Challa is the grandmaster chess player  While Okoye is all about sending soldiers in to fight and not run Shuri is about fixing the shield, T'Challa already knows what needed to be done and had the plan in place 
T'Challa is very much to the point, he doesn't have time to make long speeches like Cap. He is blunt and too the point because he has to be, his peoples lives are in his hands. Again Priest said it best. T'Challa is the shrewdest man alive, got you looking left when you should be looking abd and by the time you realize it, it's too late.

I too also liked what RJ did with Shuri. It's honestly the best mixing of what Coates was trying to do and what the MCU did. THAT version of Shuri we saw in KiB I can get behind and would like to read more about
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Booshman on February 12, 2021, 10:11:21 pm
It's amazing, the difference in writing between a flowery-prose driven hack who has severe issues with any shred of black masculinity and thinks that any pro-activeness it's engaged in comes at the the detriment of black women...and a writer who actually likes the character he's writing and whose ideology wouldn't be in the contents of a frustrated psychiatrists crumpled up/discarded notes.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Battle on February 14, 2021, 11:19:17 pm
The bookstores on my side of the monitor are not very reliable when it comes to monthly deliveries.

When this edition of 'Black Panther' is bound into a collection, will certainly pick this up.

Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 15, 2021, 03:55:11 am
 The four bruthas posting above my post right now said it all.

It's come down to this: GIVE REDJACK THE BLACK PANTHER SOLO. If not? We should simply boycott Marvel.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Kimoyo on February 15, 2021, 06:32:45 pm
S P O I L E R S -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The King has returned, all hail the King! Enjoyable revisionist ode to a more recognizable T'Challa/Black Panther! Loved the homage to CJP Panther as BP felled the symbiote rhino! Loved the homage to oral histories and the value of the storytelling tradition! Good seeing T'Challa the plotter, the commander, the visionary. I did feel his tone was a little uneven, unduly curt/harsh with his warriors while a tad overly accommodating of Shuri and Okoye's second guessing (likewise, Shuri's admonishment of Okoye's touch seemed a little much) but if not pitch-perfect, Redjack Panther rings true and satisfying like classic Al Jarreau, Chaka Kahn or Marvin Gaye. In the hands of a respectful, talented fan, the creator undoubtedly smiles.

My Two Cents!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 22, 2021, 01:15:18 pm
S P O I L E R S -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The King has returned, all hail the King! Enjoyable revisionist ode to a more recognizable T'Challa/Black Panther! Loved the homage to CJP Panther as BP felled the symbiote rhino! Loved the homage to oral histories and the value of the storytelling tradition! Good seeing T'Challa the plotter, the commander, the visionary. I did feel his tone was a little uneven, unduly curt/harsh with his warriors while a tad overly accommodating of Shuri and Okoye's second guessing (likewise, Shuri's admonishment of Okoye's touch seemed a little much) but if not pitch-perfect, Redjack Panther rings true and satisfying like classic Al Jarreau, Chaka Kahn or Marvin Gaye. In the hands of a respectful, talented fan, the creator undoubtedly smiles.

My Two Cents!

Peace,

Mont



I largely second the above sentiment! I only differ regarding the "second guessing" aspects and the issue with Shuri's response to Okoye touching her. In my opinion? RJ Okoye is a true down to the dregs of her soul WARRIOR. She literally has no quit or surrender in her, and RJ Okoye sees Wakanda as every bit as unyielding and warrior oriented as Okoye herself is...and probably moreso. This Okoye could not countenance any form of actual surrender or even subscribing to the notion of being overwhelmed by any outside force for any reason. So this Okoye...if I'm right, and of course only RJ would know if I'm even within a UNIVERSE's reach of the character of Okoye as he sees her...would never think of either herself or any Royal Wakandan ever even seriously uttering any word that presents Wakanda to be inferior to any foe. In any way. For any reason.

I could easily see this Okoye actually reaching out and touching Shuri, given Shuri's direct statement that retreat in the face of this enemy is the only option that she...Shuri...sees available for Wakanda.

I could also see RJ Shuri immediately telling Okoye to remove her hand from Shuri's royal flesh. Why is that?

Remember over a decade ago [ it's CRAZY to write that ] when our own R to the H was traumatizing people with his ultra hard Black Nationalist BP? Remember when Shuri became BP? Remember when I said that I thought that Shuri should be more oriented toward tech+magic in distinct ways. Her hypertheoretical tech imo should be a blend of something that we could expect from the daughter of Seshat, and her magic? Should operate on the lines of a blend of Brother [ not DOCTOR ] Voodoo and say...Dr. Druid. Whereas T'Challa would be less showy, far more stealthy and imo overall more effective. T'Challa would be using AkiliKaTech [ MindSpirit/Life Energy Tech/PsiKaTech ].

Back to Shuri...

imo RJ Shuri would start out as the precocious Shuri we saw in MCU BP, become the FEROCIOUS Shuri we saw with RHBP, and after spiritually maturing into and beyond the Djalia as The Ancient Future [ I must give Coates props on both that dope name AND that dope concept ]? That Shuri would most definitely tell Okoye to take her hand off of her royal flesh. Of course, this same Shuri would have already known that Okoye was going to reach out toward her in the first place, before Okoye herself knew she would...

...I also didn't see either of these ladies second guessing T'Challa. Okoye was being true to her heart mind and soul. She's a warrior through and through. YIBAMBE! She will hold her ground vs all threats. PHAMBILI! She will then meet them and defeat them in battle. This kind of character? Would most definitely say what she said to T'Challa.

Shuri? Didn't imo second guess T'Challa. In fact, RJShuri would not only tell T'Challa her thoughts in direct fashion [ well established by RH BP'S SHURI when she skated right on the very edge of violating royal respect protocol by saucily "requesting"  that T'Challa give her a team "of actual experts"  that implied that T'Challa gave her garbage before ] before her third appearance in the very first issue introducing her existence. Giving T'Challa a dose of them verbals is a character trait established for Shuri by her creator, our own R to the H. We have both 616 [ RH Shuri ] and MCU canon for Shuri to say exactly the kind of thing RJShuri did. 

In fact, RJShuri figured out T'Challa's plan to "sacrifice" her and RJ Shuri went along with the plan in order to give T'Challa the time he needed to save Wakanda. This is a new facet of Shuri that I have never seen before. This is distinct to RJShuri as General Okoye's "born protector of Wakanda" personality trait is specific to RJOkoye.

RJBP is suuuuch a MAGNIFICENT [ yet distinct and particular to RJ ] return to form for BP. In fact? We might surmise that we haven't seen a BP this formidable in any iteration save the Hickman's Infinity Gauntlet BP who faced down and outsmarted God Doom...

...but RJBP was MORE SATISFYING because RJBP enjoyed an unambiguous. Clear. ON PANEL. Total victory against the latest Big Bad of the MCU, the mighty Symbiote God Knull. RJBP showed how a BLACK MALE FAN WHO'S ALSO A GIFTED WRITER is NOT afraid or hesitant to show BP utterly dominant against the most ferocious, unstoppable of foes.

RJBP is what HICKMAN BP wasn't bold and Afrakan enough to be. Jason Aaron writes BP as King Batman..an incredibly formidable hero king who could be any color. RJBP is Afrikan King+Doc Savage
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ezyo on February 23, 2021, 07:00:59 pm
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.

Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 25, 2021, 01:38:39 pm
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.

Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.



As much as I usually agree with and always respect and appreciate Ezyo's opinions? I have to both agree and disagree here. I completely agree that Hickman BP was too often NOT carrying through his threats, and NOT acquiring decisive, satisfactory, solo and unaided victories ON PANEL that were unambiguous and permanent. However...

My brother, I think you forgot three major feats HICKMAN BP pulled off which have trumped everything that any iteration of BP has done since. And that would be? KING OF THE DEAD UNITING MARVEL ZOMBIES Black Panther. INFINITY GAUNTLET Black Panther. REALITY GEM wielding Black Panther, who literally rewrought and brought into existence the current MCU as it exists.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ezyo on February 26, 2021, 11:05:12 am
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.

Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.



As much as I usually agree with and always respect and appreciate Ezyo's opinions? I have to both agree and disagree here. I completely agree that Hickman BP was too often NOT carrying through his threats, and NOT acquiring decisive, satisfactory, solo and unaided victories ON PANEL that were unambiguous and permanent. However...

My brother, I think you forgot three major feats HICKMAN BP pulled off which have trumped everything that any iteration of BP has done since. And that would be? KING OF THE DEAD UNITING MARVEL ZOMBIES Black Panther. INFINITY GAUNTLET Black Panther. REALITY GEM wielding Black Panther, who literally rewrought and brought into existence the current MCU as it exists.

Brother S.I I would counter with: Unfortunately Hickman decided he needed Namors help to get the zombies to actually follow him, this heavily cheapening what would of been a wonderful feat. Yes he wielded the IF gauntlet and it's impressive how well he held up and survived god Doom, he still got utterly trounced and was lying broken at dooms feet. Abd yes we see that he rewrote the mu and brought back 616, that unfortunately was also overshadowed by the FF sacrificing themselves and remaking the multiverses. Too much tell, bot enough show, and too much over reliance on outside forces when it should of been his own doing.

Whereas Redjack shows T'Challa turn the tide for his people, decimate the enemy forces when he jumps into the battle,  immediately figures out and crafts a plan to beat back knulls forces and his dragon, and does what Every hero in this event has failed to do, rid part of the planet of knulls control. Abd he did it with his own power and resources and introduced us to T'Challas (his own creation btw) contingency to take down the Phoenix. No speeches, no outside help, no empty threats. Just T'Challa taking command and leading his forces to victory while being THE guy to beat knulls forces. How is that not showing the the most dangerous Black Panther?

Again
Priest- Always prepared Panther
Hudlin- Unapologetic hardcore Panther
Redjack- Most dangerous Panther 
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 26, 2021, 03:51:02 pm
I think honestly we haven't seen T'Challa this powerful since before Hickman. Hickmans BP talked but never was allowed to Carry the weight behind his threat's.

Frankly, Redjacks panther is wholly unique to CJP always prepared panther, abd RH hardcore Panther. I would say RJ Panther is straight up the most dangerous man alive imo.




As much as I usually agree with and always respect and appreciate Ezyo's opinions? I have to both agree and disagree here. I completely agree that Hickman BP was too often NOT carrying through his threats, and NOT acquiring decisive, satisfactory, solo and unaided victories ON PANEL that were unambiguous and permanent. However...

My brother, I think you forgot three major feats HICKMAN BP pulled off which have trumped everything that any iteration of BP has done since. And that would be? KING OF THE DEAD UNITING MARVEL ZOMBIES Black Panther. INFINITY GAUNTLET Black Panther. REALITY GEM wielding Black Panther, who literally rewrought and brought into existence the current MCU as it exists.


Brother S.I I would counter with: Unfortunately Hickman decided he needed Namors help to get the zombies to actually follow him, this heavily cheapening what would of been a wonderful feat. Yes he wielded the IF gauntlet and it's impressive how well he held up and survived god Doom, he still got utterly trounced and was lying broken at dooms feet. Abd yes we see that he rewrote the mu and brought back 616, that unfortunately was also overshadowed by the FF sacrificing themselves and remaking the multiverses. Too much tell, bot enough show, and too much over reliance on outside forces when it should of been his own doing.

You already know that I absolutely agree with the criticisms you level above. How is it that Hickman and every other White writer who touches BP except Ellis, Aaron [ and he still has an "asterisk" after his name ], Liss and Cates seem unable to write BP without diluting his victories in some way...whereas they can write White characters who're arguably LESS CAPABLE than BP somehow doing far more than they allow BP to do; without besetting the White characters with the dilution and disrespectful and "needing outside help from someone nonWhite" requirements and tropes they routinely beset BP with? Answer: because these writers are either blatantly or casually racist, that's why.

Whereas Redjack shows T'Challa turn the tide for his people, decimate the enemy forces when he jumps into the battle,  immediately figures out and crafts a plan to beat back knulls forces and his dragon, and does what Every hero in this event has failed to do, rid part of the planet of knulls control. Abd he did it with his own power and resources and introduced us to T'Challas (his own creation btw) contingency to take down the Phoenix. No speeches, no outside help, no empty threats. Just T'Challa taking command and leading his forces to victory while being THE guy to beat knulls forces. How is that not showing the the most dangerous Black Panther?

Aaaaand aaaaaand aaaanad he faced down, outmaneuvered and outfought Knull Shuri without having to beat her down, showing once and for all that BJ BP is overall superior to Shuri, which is as it should be. Being "THE 616 AND MCU ALL AROUND BEST AROUND" is BP's thing...but with them constantly on the sly and in our faces with the consistent reduction in excellence and prominence of the Afrakan male in T'Challa the true BP and elevation of Shuri [ as if both siblings can't be spectacularly unequaled at the same time without such unflinching peerless achievement coming at the expense of the other ] as an excuse for their not so subtly hidden, ingrained impulse and desire to not show the prominent Afrakan male at all; and most especially not show the gargantuan possibilities of the union of the hypercapable Afrakan man, Afrakan woman and Afrakan family as a result of the tragic passing of Boseman? We in comicdom more than anyone else needed to see this sibling confrontation and resolution. The resolution having come without T'Challa having to physically strike Shuri is extremely important for many many reasons [ which we all likely know here and don't need me to delve into ], aaaand it reenforces the canon established by RH BP who...on some G code mode... stated that: "I would never fight a woman. I have people for that..."

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All of which you know that I and airyone on HEF including you are here for. Won't catch any disagreement from me on that. I would however add a double supplement: One. The feats enumerated above still don't overshadow rockin the IG solo and facing God Doom solo. Two and my Counterpoint [ part of the reason I want RJBP in 2021 and beyond ]: It took Hickman two whole entire books..with weekly releases no less...to finally cobble together two feats for BP that are of cosmic WHOA factor. RJBP? Did it in ON HIS FIRST TRY AT WRITING JUST ONE BP BOOK. A TIE IN TO A MAJOR EVENT, too.  Aaaand had BP decisively score a win that nobody else in the 616 MU has gotten for THEIR favorite character. Aaaand not only did RJBP just defecate on Coatesverse BP and drew zero racist hatin backlash from the LCBRD in the process, he drew their support...a feat that was heretofore nigh impossible, prior to the world changing and hate smashing power of MCU BP. We long suffering Afrakan Black Panther comic book nerds are forever in your debt, Coogler and Boseman.
.


Again
Priest- Always prepared Panther
Hudlin- Unapologetic hardcore Panther
Redjack- Most dangerous Panther 



I would add one more name to the above to form the original Afrakan Writer Triumvirate which is now a Quartet...Iqele Labane, "Group of Four" in Xhosa...Dwayne McDuffie the OG whom we must never forget.Co-creator of the most popular "pure Afrakan comic creation" in this world to my knowledge...Static Shock...

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it was "The Maestro" Dwayne McDuffie [ aka DMD like DMC from Run DMC ] who wrote the original blend of Priest BP and RH BP, plus added his own flava with DMD BP when he wrote BP in the F4. I know you never forgot him, but we must not allow the internet gods to profane the memory of any one of our family; including our brother, our inspiration, our elder, and yes even our leader Dwayne McDuffie for any particle of any fraction of time.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ture on February 28, 2021, 06:55:35 pm
I wonder if there were any communications between the editorial departments of the Black Panther King in Black and the Avengers? The Hand of Bast is an excellent weapon that could be very useful in T'Challa's upcoming confrontation with the Phoenix.

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It is a waste that Redjack isn't given a solo BP title to write. I would like to see The Hand of Bast mete out some cosmic level feats, because we must remember two things. First, this is what The Hand... is going to have to contend with.

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Second thing is The Hand of Bast is not what defeated the Knull's dragon...

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it was T'Challa the Black Panther. I am hoping Aaron gives the Black Panther a respectable victory over the Phoenix because anything less simply would not make sense.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ezyo on March 01, 2021, 08:59:08 am
Redjack has said the hand of Bast could take down the Phoenix so I trust him, Okoyes Job was to distract the dragon, I won't lie it would of been a good fear for the weapon, however, since RJ isn't the solo writer it was ultimately probably best he gets the feat as it's T'Challas book. Honestly I just want to see all of Wakandas heavy hitters on full display in the solo:

Wakandan quinjets
Boseman helicarrier
Nyami mothership

Prowler hulk buster
Doomsday prowlers
Panther zord
Hand of Bast

Those are the things I want to see in the Solo and getting some feats. Yes the panther zord was supposed to appear in the cancelled agents of Wakanda tie in but it's still a cool concept I want to see be made Canon

Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Redjack on March 01, 2021, 09:38:31 am
The line is "The Hand of Bast was BUILT to kill the Phoenix."


Can it actually do the job?


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[/size]It's an energy construct of immense power, tapping into multiple forms of cosmic and muoltdimentional energy at once. It would definitely have killed Knull's dragon, regardless of T'Challa's actions but the Phoenix is the Phoenix. That fight would be a toss-up. [/color]

Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 01, 2021, 09:52:16 am
The line is "The Hand of Bast was BUILT to kill the Phoenix."


Can it actually do the job?


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[/size]It's an energy construct of immense power, tapping into multiple forms of cosmic and muoltdimentional energy at once. It would definitely have killed Knull's dragon, regardless of T'Challa's actions but the Phoenix is the Phoenix. That fight would be a toss-up. [/color]




COSIGN!!!

And RJ gotta tell you that I loooove the use of Klaw's sonic weapon in this issue of yours! I neeeever saw that coming! I looove it!!
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ture on March 01, 2021, 03:59:47 pm
This is why it is always better to show than to tell and better to tell (having the actual writer do such) than to speculate (fan's postulating and guessing). Nothing like having the author himself state the facts and it is greatly appreciated."an energy construct of immense power, tapping into multiple forms of cosmic and multidimensional energy at once." Wakandan technology is a match for anything.

Could you imagine witnessing T'Challa creating the Hand of Bast and testing out in deep space, having it destroy some lifeless planet or even a star of a dead solar system. This is why I wanted to see what Redjack could do with an ongoing or in the case of King in Black a three issue mini series. We may have bared witness to the Hand of Bast showing some cosmic level feats.

You know what else is cool? T'Challa didn't even need the Hand of Bast to defeat Knull's dragon and we got a free look at a potential Phoenix killer. This is how the Black Panther should be written. I also appreciate Redjack stating an inconclusive outcome of the battle between the Hand of Bast and the Phoenix. That's the way its supposed to be in comics... highly competitive. I'm still holding out that Redjack will get a call from Marvel and be set loose to take the Black Panther to new heights.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ture on March 18, 2021, 08:34:14 pm
This is what we got to look forward to.

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courtesy of CBR's  KingNomarch

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I wonder if the next BP scribe will incorporate the characters and aesthetic of the Black Panther film into the new ongoing series.?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 23, 2021, 08:26:19 am
How many times are we going to see them lighten the skin of The Dora Milaje, de-Afrikanize their features, and Whiten these beautiful sistahs the way they did to Storm FOR DECADES before we finally stop this BS and call it for the blatant disrespectful racism that it is?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - King in Black!
Post by: Ture on April 12, 2021, 11:59:06 pm
DISNEY+ DROPS SAMPLE OF HOW THEY MAY HANDLE THEIR UPCOMING WAKANDA SERIES!

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While Disney+ has not eclipsed Netflix shows like Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage or Punisher, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a good Marvel live action series. Zemo is doing an excellent job at maintaining complexity, mystique and charm. It would have been great to see how he and T'Challa would have interacted.

Karli Morgenthau is another good character that I'm really diggin' as she tries to do what she believes is necessary without going completely to the dark side. The conversation between her, Nakia and T'Challa could have been very interesting. I liked how Mandripor was visited. It reminded me of when T'Challa, Nakia and Okoye were in Busan. What a great place to have T'Challa meet with Hunter who he has stationed there.

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I like how they use individual characters' cinematic theme music and was really excited to hear the Dora Milaje chant. Ayo looked gorgeous and fierce while radiating a near lethal, no nonsense attitude. The other two Doras were also quite effective in how they came across. Ayo literally disarming the Winter Soldier was a stand out moment.

They lost me with the generic cityscape that was supposed to be Wakanda. It was insult enough not sync up Infinity War with the Black Panther solo as to render a consistent Wakanda and the same applies here. What I'm about to state next is nitpicking however god is in the details. I didn't like seeing the thread hole of the Kimoyo beads Ayo left for Bucky to find. I imagine the beads being held together magnetically or by some vibranium attraction.

What was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.

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Though sprinkled with populist rhetoric and a hint of BLM, it worked in the series and thus far Marvel has been able to, notwithstanding a few foibles, integrate contemporary political concerns with respect to the cultural integrity of individual superheroes and even villains for that matter.

Sam is cool or least getting there but he still has some of that sidekick residue on him. Sam's penchant for Bagger Vancing to Steve is wearing thin as was his speaking up for the Avengers.

As all roads lead back to T'Challa the Black Panther, this series fourth episode showed that Marvel has some idea on how to disseminate aspects of the Black Panther's mythos. If this is true they have to realize that any such dissemination looses its potency in the absence of T'Challa the Black Panther.












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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ture on April 13, 2021, 12:41:07 am
Black Panther Fan Launches Petition to Recast T'Challa in the MCU

SIGN UP HERE!
https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-to-honor-chadwick-boseman-in-the-black-panther-franchise-97bb44b7-60c0-42b9-94fa-1d20b8a07379 (https://www.change.org/p/marvel-recast-t-challa-to-honor-chadwick-boseman-in-the-black-panther-franchise-97bb44b7-60c0-42b9-94fa-1d20b8a07379)
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ezyo on April 13, 2021, 06:25:48 pm
Yeah I have gone through this so many times about how this whole Honoring Chad with is so far from the truth and that of they truly wanted to honor hom they would of done actual impactful honoring and then not retired the character, he battled through cancer and treatments to bring to the big screen because he knew the importance of T'Challa.

I have signed the petition and I hope more people actually start to see that getting rid of T'Challa is not the big "Honor" they think it is. All the while picking the mythos clean and likely relegating Wakanda to a backdrop to simply have stuff happen to it to prop up threats
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: MindofShadow on April 14, 2021, 09:59:03 am
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What was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.

Yeah that was... weird to me.

T'challa is still around in this timeline as far as anyone knows. So, why is everyone going out of the way to avoid mentioning his name?

How is that honoring anything? How is erasure honoring? I don't get it.

"Chadwick did such a great job bringing black PAnther to life. HE IS T'challa. So, from now on, we are going to act like he never existed in his honor."

LIke... wtf?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ezyo on April 14, 2021, 06:09:05 pm
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What was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.

Yeah that was... weird to me.

T'challa is still around in this timeline as far as anyone knows. So, why is everyone going out of the way to avoid mentioning his name?

How is that honoring anything? How is erasure honoring? I don't get it.

"Chadwick did such a great job bringing black PAnther to life. HE IS T'challa. So, from now on, we are going to act like he never existed in his honor."

LIke... wtf?

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By not recasting, it could stifle the opportunity for one of the most popular, leading Black superheroes to add on to their legacy. The #1 way to kill a legend, is to stop telling their story

Honestly what it feels like. Start out small, first it's Bucky saying the above, then it's mention about how Shuri or Ayo provided aid during CW, or how Shuri and Okoye fought hard and we're instrumental in turning the tide on the battle for WK vs the Black order and the battle against Thanos in EG, then they start mentioning how the outreach program was Shuris idea or her work then they completely just write T'Challa out as if he was snapped out of existence.

What did Ayo do for Bucky? She never even talked to him or seen him for that matter in the MCU till the show. T'Challa gave Bucky the arm. No mention that Shuri made it for him or anything.

If the WK show comes out before the sequel you can bet that they will push this even further, essentially soft push people to just accept T'Challa is gone without a trace by reconning what happened in the MCU
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ture on April 14, 2021, 09:12:07 pm
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What was really disconcerning was how they went out of their way not to mention T'Challa. The Winter Soldier said he was grateful for what Shuri and Ayo did for him but neglected to show any remembrance of the Black Panther. Bucky failed to broach the subject that it was T'Challa who bought him to and sheltered him in Wakanda; that it was T'Challa who placed him in suspended animation and not a Wakandan jail cell; and that it was T'Challa who presented him with a new arm. If this is what Disney and Feige meant by honoring Chadwick's legacy by omitting what T'Challa actually did on screen they can miss me with all that.

Yeah that was... weird to me.

T'challa is still around in this timeline as far as anyone knows. So, why is everyone going out of the way to avoid mentioning his name?

How is that honoring anything? How is erasure honoring? I don't get it.

"Chadwick did such a great job bringing black PAnther to life. HE IS T'challa. So, from now on, we are going to act like he never existed in his honor."

LIke... wtf?

The obfuscation and discrediting of T'Challa the Black Panther has been practiced for decades.

DOOM 2099

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This is all the mention of T'Challa the Black Panther we would receive.

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Attempts at obscuring, overwriting or even replacing T'Challa the Black Panther were unsuccessful and short lived.

KASPER COLE

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SHURI

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THE GAYE DORAS

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COATES CREW

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WALKING DEAD BLACK PANTHER 2099

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The pages above evidence a wanton act of negative propaganda. As insultingly demonstrated in the scenes of these Marvel's comic books, so shall it be proven in the forthcoming films of the MCU sans T'Challa. No matter how bad nor how good, there is no Black Panther product or franchise of worth or measure without a well presented, fully actualized T'Challa the Black Panther.













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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: MindofShadow on April 15, 2021, 05:29:54 am
Kinda sad/funny that "It is just a mantle!" is the new rallying cry when Marvel Comics has had zero success creating any sort of legacy character for Black Panther.

We've had successful Captain Americans, Thors, Hulks, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, and some more I can't remember at the moment

every BP legacy has failed fast and hard.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 15, 2021, 06:33:47 am
Shuri was black panther for almost a decade. Spencer and Aaron got plenty of hate for Jane and Sam.

Kate Bishops comic didn't last long. I dont think Cho's book lasted too long either.

Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: MindofShadow on April 15, 2021, 09:54:53 am
Shuri was black panther for almost a decade. Spencer and Aaron got plenty of hate for Jane and Sam.

Kate Bishops comic didn't last long. I dont think Cho's book lasted too long either.

Almost a decade because there was no comic for most of the time, She got approx 25? issues? solo-ish i think if you count Doom War as her book too.

Jane and Sam sold enough to hang around for a good bit.

Hulk has Shulk and Red Hulk spin offs, not just Cho.

Is Cho still around? I forgot about him lol.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 15, 2021, 11:46:01 am
Shuri was black panther for almost a decade. Spencer and Aaron got plenty of hate for Jane and Sam.

Kate Bishops comic didn't last long. I dont think Cho's book lasted too long either.

Almost a decade because there was no comic for most of the time, She got approx 25? issues? solo-ish i think if you count Doom War as her book too.

Jane and Sam sold enough to hang around for a good bit.

I think Sam and Jane only survived because Alex Alonso thought he could make it work. lol

I don't count She-Hulk or Red, they aren't legacy, they are franchise spinoffs.

Cho is with the new Agents of Atlas as part of the Asian market push. Not sure if the book is still going though.

Hulk has Shulk and Red Hulk spin offs, not just Cho.

Is Cho still around? I forgot about him lol.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ezyo on April 15, 2021, 03:03:24 pm
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 15, 2021, 03:09:13 pm
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Salustrade on April 15, 2021, 03:38:29 pm
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

None of which was Shuri's fault.

Yeah, I'm back.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 15, 2021, 07:35:44 pm
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

None of which was Shuri's fault.

Yeah, I'm back.


Whassup Salustrade!!

You're right, it's not Shuri's fault. No one's FAULTING Shuri. I love me some Shuri. I'm sure that almost everyone in HEF loves her, too.

RH made Shuri and when he wrote Shuri? Her distinct achievements didn't come at the cost of T'Challa. Instead, we saw multiple Afrikan people being excellent without peer or exception, loving each other, expressing pinnacle power, unbridled brilliance,etc. unabashedly and without fear from the Afrikan cultural foundation. I think most of us are saying and advocating this...you included.

T'Challa should remain at the pinnacle positions he has always held from CJP until this very day. Shuri doesn't need to usurp ANY of his shine in order to be excellent and unique on her own. Even when Shuri for a time became the SECOND Black Panther, T'Challa didn't STOP being The Black Panther. Shuri becoming Queen of Wakanda didn't stop T'Challa from being King of the Dead.

T'Challa should be recast, and should reach even more incredible pinnacles of excellence than he has achieved in the comics and the movies. Everyone knows that each of the iconic actors who've brought our favorite Marvel super capes to life will eventually be replaced. Someone else will play Iron Man besides our amazingly talented RDJ. Someone else will play Captain America...in fact IS playing Captain Walker America right now. Someone else will play War Machine [ remember that Don Cheadle himself was a replacement for Terrence Howard aka the Lyon Emperor of his own Empire ]. Someone else is already lined up to play the new Black Widow [ we all pretty much know it's going to be Florence Pugh ]. Someone will replace Chris Hemsworth as Thor [ good luck! ]. And so on and so forth.

 Tragically. Heartbreakingly. Our Kumkani [ Xhosa word for "king" ] was taken from us far too early, along with far too many of our far less famous but equally valued brethren who fell to the violence and viruses created by White Supremacy in this country and worldwide. But just as the absence of Kumkani T'Chaka led directly to the rise of Kumkani T'Challa, so too does the absence of Kumkani Boseman lead directly to the rise of the next actor who should play our Kumkani T'Challa...and imo that actor should be Denzel's son, John David Washington. Or if they're going to wait til Phase 5 [ which seems to be the plan ]? Idk who the new T'Challa should be.

I do know, however, that the new T'Challa should be.

"Ukumkani makadle ubomi ngonaphakade"! "Let the King live forever!"
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Battle on April 15, 2021, 10:09:01 pm
Someone else will play War Machine [ remember that Don Cheadle himself was a replacement for Terrence Howard aka the Lyon Emperor of his own Empire ]


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: MindofShadow on April 16, 2021, 05:54:22 am
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
Hardest part about adapting it is making this shuri a warrior bad ass chick with her own Q

Is Flea or whatever still alive or is he floating aimlessly somehwere lol? Maybe he  and TAku eloped
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ezyo on April 16, 2021, 08:13:58 am
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

None of which was Shuri's fault.

Yeah, I'm back.

Your right it's not her fault. It's the fault of Marvel for not putting more time into her, and allowing her to grow into something more. Really she should not of become the Black Panther at all BECAUSE it would never be permanent. That's my issue with these mantle changes, they aren't permanent and instead create plateaus in which the Character can get stuck on. After the envitable and predictable lose of the mantle comes, where does the character go from there?

Her entire arc when she was created was that she was in T'Challas shadow and she felt she was robbed of her chance to be BP because of bad luck, once her arc is complete then what? What's her motivation now? From the start she should of accepted she wasn't meant to be BP, and the whole lead up to DW should of been her arc where she realizes her purpose, she doesn't have to be in T'Challas shadow and she can be the protector of her people alongside T'Challa, without being the black panther. I think that would of resonated more
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Emperorjones on April 16, 2021, 09:26:54 am
I think Shuri's character development was mangled by Maberry. I recently listened to a writing podcast (Keystroke Medium) where they interviewed Maberry, and he mentioned how Shuri was like the Paris Hilton of Wakanda or something along that line, so I imagine that this had been his idea to do that, where I saw no evidence of that in Hudlin's run. Further, he then ladled a bunch of rage issues onto Shuri. I think Maberry's conception of the character was off and that hurt her afterward, along with Marvel never spending enough time to really dig into her, and to give her new or different motivations. (Suffice it to say, I enjoyed the podcast. Maberry seems like a good guy, with some neat ideas, and a grasp of character and story, so I don't get why he made the choices he did when it came to Shuri).

Shuri became a pretty generic strong black female character until the movie, which injected her with way more personality and then gave her a purpose and something that made her stand out more on her own (even if it took away from T'Challa as genius inventor). I can't say what they are doing with the character in the comics now. I read like an issue or two of the Okorafor series and gave up on that. It felt like they were trying to mix the traditional comics Shuri with the look, and something of the feel, of the movie Shuri.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 16, 2021, 11:50:26 am
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
Hardest part about adapting it is making this shuri a warrior bad ass chick with her own Q

Is Flea or whatever still alive or is he floating aimlessly somehwere lol? Maybe he  and TAku eloped

Spoiler (click to reveal)
I just saw Sam Wilson go through a training montage to learn to use the shield while moving I sure Shuri will be fine. And the only time she'll need raw hand to hand is if anybody challenges her. Lol[\spoiler]
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ture on April 17, 2021, 02:13:12 am
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier delivered another satisfactory chapter. Opening with a great combat scene with John Walker fighting both Sam and Bucky. I dare say that Nu Cap gave the former Winter Soldier a better fight than did Black Panther or Captain America. Nu Cap was able to momentarily knock out Bucky and damaged his cybernetic arm before being subdued.

While previous episodes have delivered their fair share of BLM commentary on black impoverishment, black imprisonment, black identity and black sacrifice, the fifth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier hit hard with a statement from Isaiah Bradley. The "bitter old man" told the truth to Sam in no uncertain terms. He said they will never let a black man be Captain America and even if they did, no self respectin' black man would ever want to be. Think about that Black Falcon.

The late Lemar Hoskins' grieving black mother went all in as the lamenting mama complete with stating the decease's obligatory pride and honored to be a side kick.

Ayo and the Dora Milaje took Zemo to the raft for further imprisonment though I wonder why they did not take him to Wakanda as she seemed so dishonored to learn of Zemo escaping prison. Go figure. Not to mention, I think it was Zemo who actually contacted the Doras.

(https://img.republicworld.com/republic-prod/stories/promolarge/xxhdpi/wxr2nfroih8ostm6_1618639540.jpeg)

Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine (yea, that's how she, the guest cameo, introduced herself) not only praises John Walker's actions but makes him an offer he shouldn't refuse but more interesting than that is she discloses that Captain America's shield does not belong to the US government. Maybe this is why one of the Doras was going to keep it after disarming it from Nu Cap.

(https://media.comicbook.com/2021/04/tfatws-episode-4-spoilers-john-walker-vs-dora-milaje-1263748.jpeg?auto=webp&width=1200&height=628&crop=1200:628,smart)

This harkens back to vibranium stolen by Klaw that was used to construct Ultron and the Vision. Not only did the writers of Black Panther the movie have T'Challa fail to bring Klaw back to Wakanda they had him state that he gave Zemo to the Ross and thus to the CIA. That's two enemies of Wakanda not facing Wakandan justice and retribution. The Protocols of the 710 universe would have had T'Challa laying hands on Klaw while over head his cloaked Talon fighter emits a low level emp that disables all the cell phones, electronic surveillance and satellite feeds thus allowing the Black Panther to pummel Klaw with impunity and then take his unconscious foe into his ship and fly back to Wakanda. Personally speaking I think the Black Panther habit should have stealth tech that renders him electronically invisible but that's me.

Sam's training scenes were good to see especially his practice with the shield. Bucky and Sam as a team, err, partners, nah coworkers is developing well. So much so that Bucky calls in a favor from Wakanda and gives Sam a gift. As the Falcon's wings were clipped by Nu Cap I'm betting the package Sam received were high tech vibranium wings. It wasn't revealed but its a definite.

(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Anthony-Mackie-as-Sam-Wilson-with-new-Captain-America-suit-in-box-in-Falcon-and-Winter-Soldier.jpg)

All I got to say is that next episode better address T'Challa making the wings for Sam or we gonna have us a problem.



being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

None of which was Shuri's fault.

Yeah, I'm back.


Good to hear from you Salustrade. Welcome back Brother.















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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 17, 2021, 03:11:44 am
being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG

The "power" arc is pretty easy to adapt. I'd leave out the liberal/conservative talk show though.
Hardest part about adapting it is making this shuri a warrior bad ass chick with her own Q

Is Flea or whatever still alive or is he floating aimlessly somehwere lol? Maybe he  and TAku eloped

Movie Shuri IS NOT a believable badass warrior, and SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. What made her so powerful and what made her resonate so much with the crowd? Was the fact that she was a vibrant, likeable, utterly brilliant and fearless teenage tech genius with a wicked sense of humor [ her sarcastic and disrespectful use of the word: "GENIUS!" when she's insulting someone's intelligence was hilarious to me; and the video recording she made of T'Challa getting hurled across the room after he kicked her new Vibranium habit she made for T'Challa was equally hilarious. She had several such moments in the film, most notably when she referred to Everett K. Ross as "Colonizer" ].

Now this precocious teen has become a flowering young woman, tempered by extreme battles and the loss, regaining, and loss of her brother again. Wakanda is almost certainly now a predominantly Afrikan woman led country, with Queen Mother Ramonda solidly in charge, Princess Shuri rising in stature but NOT becoming the next Black Panther because T'Challa is still alive and well somewhere [ unless this story is set during the time of The Snap ] and Okoye and Ayo being seriously bad with the rest of the DW. I expect and suspect that the primarily male Hatut Zeraze will be more prominent in this second movie, and of course we will see Nakia. I don't know if our Wakandans will respond to the horrible events in the USA...they DO have healthcare, educational, community and science centers in our Afrikan hoods now...but I suspect that we'll see more Wakandan based adventures.  And there are a TON of native Wakandan threats to consider.

Since Chadwick Boseman won't be recast? Wakanda still has its Black Panther [ again unless this story is set during the time of The Snap which I wouldn't mind at all because I think that time should be explored as I have said several times previously ]; he's just not in Wakanda right now. Since they said that they won't CGI Chadwick? I can say with some confidence that T'Challa won't be in this upcoming movie [ unless they're pulling the most ganxta okey-doke around and are actually locking in the new T'Challa as we speak; that would be something that I would do as I have said several times already ].

But she could become The Ancient Future. And we might be introduced to Mendinao and/or Zawaviri now that Zuri aka Forrest Whitaker's character is dead and gone.  You know who I'd love to see, but of course we WON'T see? Uncle S'yan the Swift.

But I see some righteous threats arising within Wakanda itself. Imagine what would happen if a new version of Baron Macabre...Mkokheli, Nkosi Yabafileyo. IMkokheli means "Leader", and is a pretty common Xhosa language name for boys. "Nkosi Yabafileyo" means "Lord of the Dead" in Xhosa. What if this guy teamed up with say...Namor and Atlantis who have the tech to challenge Wakanda, but still fall to Shuri's unmatched intellect...and together they sought to take over Wakanda while the nation mourned T'Challa and half their population getting Snapped into oblivion?

You know who else would be a very formidable combo in this movie as well as a terrific way to introduce other Marvel properties? Mkokheli, Magneto [ who of course wants Wakanda's Vibranium ]+Namor and Atlantis on one side, and Shuri, Zawaviri, Nakia, and STORM on the other side.

Mkokheli, being the Lord of the Undead, would unleash hordes of terrifying zumbi [ zombies, one of the many supernatural creatures that Afrikan lore invented and shared with the world ] the horrific Popobawa, Grootslangs, Kongamato Inkanyamba Adze and Impundulu along with another form of vampire besides the Adze and that is the Obayifo in Wakanda https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/12818/11-legendary-monsters-africa (https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/12818/11-legendary-monsters-africa). Wakanda...weakened by the absence of half of her citizens...still battles valiantly, despite the fact that Mkokheli's magic and minorns are turning many Wakandans into members of his army [ like The Ice King on GOT ]. This assault by Mkokheli would justify my stealth introduction of the big name cameos of much needed Black men in this movie:

The new half Wakandan DOCTOR VOODOO and the biggest big name surprise in the whole movie: BLADE. Because the Adze and Obayifo are vampires? Queen Mother Ramonda reached out to the premier vampire fighter on the planet: BLADE. Everett K. Ross clears War Machine, to go to Wakanda, whereas Bucky and Sam Wilson Captain America come on their own.

As for Maberry's take on Shuri? That ole Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton of Wakanda mess is definitely a nah. The rage issues? A definite nah. But the fighting skills? Maaannn i wish they kept that. Her great competence and some of the "new to the hero biz rookie mistakes" she made in the arc of Power? I liked that. But.

As The Ancient Future or some kind of potential second Panther? Shuri would have held counsel within The Djalia or the Panthers before her. I honestly don't think she'd be a n00b. Her mentors would have made sure of that. She would have been a highly seasoned expert from jump. It's more fun to let her go through her OWN learning curve WITHOUT the assistance of her far more seasoned Panther forebearers,but as Princess Regent of the country protecting Earth and a interstellar Empire? She doesn't get to make that decision for herself; she has to sacrifice what would have been a perfectly desirable season of personal growth in order to ensure that she was maximally capable of protecting us all right away. Any lapse? Could cause billions of lives. As Thanos proved. Magic, tech, politics, real life challenges of racism and international fear of Wakanda's ability to unify Afrika into a ultracontinent? Yeah, I'm thinking that could really occupy much of a Wakanda-centric movie, including the rebuilding that Wakanda would have to undergo.

The Popobawa, Adze and Impundulu in particular would justify the genuine need of the powers and presence of STORM. Her powers over the weather and her deep connection to the energies of Life wheresoever in the Multiverse they exist makes her very valuable in this battle. In this story? Queen Ramonda knew and was close friends with Storm's Kenyan Princess mother; the Queen Mother recognized Storm right away from her international adventures and reached out to her.  The Wakandan military could battle and destroy the Grootslangs, Kongamato and Inkanyamba but Mkokheli will simply keep summoning more...and that's where Dr. Voodoo would step in and vanquish or at least turn aside both Mkokheli and the magicks used to summon these horrific monsters from Afrikan legend to attack Wakanda's cities and states. The horrifying Popobawa are another matter. While Wakandan Ka-Tech can unveil its presence and Wakandan weapons can slay it, magic like that of Dr. Voodoo's is still a far swifter and more efficient means of both uncovering and destroying this beast. However, since they can manifest in vast numbers? The Popobawa could possibly overhwelm Dr. Voodoo if he battles them alone, and that's where Storm, Sam Captain America, War Machine, The White Wolf, and the HZ can really shine.

All of this is just a suggestion I would like to see in the movie. Or. Some stuff that's in my fanfic. Or both...
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 17, 2021, 03:48:31 am
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier delivered another satisfactory chapter. Opening with a great combat scene with John Walker fighting both Sam and Bucky. I dare say that Nu Cap gave the former Winter Soldier a better fight than did Black Panther or Captain America. Nu Cap was able to momentarily knock out Bucky and damaged his cybernetic arm before being subdued.

While previous episodes have delivered their fair share of BLM commentary on black impoverishment, black imprisonment, black identity and black sacrifice, the fifth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier hit hard with a statement from Isaiah Bradley. The "bitter old man" told the truth to Sam in no uncertain terms. He said they will never let a black man be Captain America and even if they did, no self respectin' black man would ever want to be. Think about that Black Falcon.

The late Lemar Hoskins' grieving black mother went all in as the lamenting mama complete with stating the decease's obligatory pride and honored to be a side kick.

Ayo and the Dora Milaje took Zemo to the raft for further imprisonment though I wonder why they did not take him to Wakanda as she seemed so dishonored to learn of Zemo escaping prison. Go figure. Not to mention, I think it was Zemo who actually contacted the Doras.

(https://img.republicworld.com/republic-prod/stories/promolarge/xxhdpi/wxr2nfroih8ostm6_1618639540.jpeg)

Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine (yea, that's how she, the guest cameo, introduced herself) not only praises John Walker's actions but makes him an offer he shouldn't refuse but more interesting than that is she discloses that Captain America's shield does not belong to the US government. Maybe this is why one of the Doras was going to keep it after disarming it from Nu Cap.

(https://media.comicbook.com/2021/04/tfatws-episode-4-spoilers-john-walker-vs-dora-milaje-1263748.jpeg?auto=webp&width=1200&height=628&crop=1200:628,smart)

This harkens back to vibranium stolen by Klaw that was used to construct Ultron and the Vision. Not only did the writers of Black Panther the movie have T'Challa fail to bring Klaw back to Wakanda they had him state that he gave Zemo to the Ross and thus to the CIA. That's two enemies of Wakanda not facing Wakandan justice and retribution. The Protocols of the 710 universe would have had T'Challa laying hands on Klaw while over head his cloaked Talon fighter emits a low level emp that disables all the cell phones, electronic surveillance and satellite feeds thus allowing the Black Panther to pummel Klaw with impunity and then take his unconscious foe into his ship and fly back to Wakanda. Personally speaking I think the Black Panther habit should have stealth tech that renders him electronically invisible but that's me.

Sam's training scenes were good to see especially his practice with the shield. Bucky and Sam as a team, err, partners, nah coworkers is developing well. So much so that Bucky calls in a favor from Wakanda and gives Sam a gift. As the Falcon's wings were clipped by Nu Cap I'm betting the package Sam received were high tech vibranium wings. It wasn't revealed but its a definite.

(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Anthony-Mackie-as-Sam-Wilson-with-new-Captain-America-suit-in-box-in-Falcon-and-Winter-Soldier.jpg)

All I got to say is that next episode better address T'Challa making the wings for Sam or we gonna have us a problem.



being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG


None of which was Shuri's fault.

Yeah, I'm back.



Good to hear from you Salustrade. Welcome back Brother.















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I heartily applaud and wholeheartedly agree with every letter of this post...to no one's surprise. I especially am in agreement that T'Challa's habit should be wreathed with stealth tech making him invisible to electronic and most sensory means of perception; PREDATOR armor times 100. And T'Challa himself should be both the incarnation of supreme stealth and the seamless synthesis of spirit and sinew.


I absolutely loved The Contessa and her snappy banter. I definitely want to see more of her, and the final episode seems like that is exactly what will happen.

I absolutely think that John Walker is forging a new shield and will probably debut the USAgent uniform in the final episode. I'm feelin John Walker Cap and his character arc. He DOESN'T deserve the "hate you because you're not Steve Cap" or "hate you because you killed that Super Soldier terrorist" hate he's gotten online. I think he was right to kill that guy. If I just witnessed you kill a guy I considered to be my brother, my very best friend ever and my best war buddy? I'd kill you, too. And everyone else responsible. If there was even one of these people responsible for my brother's death still out there breathing? Then...In the final flashback words of Battlestar...it's: "Time to go to work." And good ole Wayne is doing a good job with John Walker. He's believable, relateable. I really felt him several times. During his introduction, Lemar and John's attempt to make friends with Sam and Bucky, and especially when the Dora Milaje cleaned everyone's clock and John had that incredibly dejected and disappointed look on his face as he said: "They're not even Super Soldiers."

The showdown with Sam Cap will be epic. I most definitely want to see that. It's going to be incredible and looong overdue. I'm sooo tired of seeing Sam and Rhodey playing second fiddle in these movies. It seems that the only truly viable Black male hero in the MCU who stands on his own is T'Challa...whom they're trying to write out of his own franchise. Sam, Rhodey, and Nick Fury are all vibrant second stringers who are clearly lesser powered backup guys with less than major roles to play in every film.

I wondered if Wakanda would seek to reposses Cap's shield due to its partial Vibranium construction, but I wouldn't see such a thing being done if T'Challa The Black Panther remained in Wakanda. I'm not especially loving that idea, as I would think that a more Black Panther-ish move would have been to have doctored the Vibranium in Cap's shield with Afrofuturistic information gathering Sekhmet i-oktophasi which are subquantum level octopi shaped programmable info retrieving bots that Captain America unwittingly takes with him on every adventure, thus providing the most close held information of the USA and others to Wakanda without any effort by or risk to Wakanda or her people. Maybe the DM are sent to FEIGN interest in recapturing the shield, thus ensuring that the USA government and perhaps Sam Cap keeps the shield all the more close by his side and secures all the more Wakanda's intel gathering on the USA and whatever Cap they choose?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Emperorjones on April 17, 2021, 04:10:07 am
Good point about the Dora Milaje taking Zemo to the Raft. I thought that was strange, and it would make more sense for him to go to Wakanda. But I think this is one instance where the larger plans for the MCU were shoehorned into the narrative. I can rationalize that maybe Ayo informed Bucky of this, as a kind of compromise or make nice gesture. But that wouldn't account for her then telling him to stay out of Wakanda.

Julia Louise-Dreyfuss's appearance was the second, and perhaps the biggest, intrusion of the MCU into this week's episode. I hadn't heard about some special guest star ahead of time so I was taken by surprise by her appearance. It felt awkward to me. Some consider her sinister, but I didn't really get that. I just saw JLD. I didn't like how she sat between Walker and his wife, and his wife didn't say anything. They've made his wife too mousy, and have not developed her well, one of the few fails of this otherwise pretty strong series.

There was a lot good this week, but also some weak spots. I wished for more action, but I get taking a breather, finishing some storylines like between Wilson and his sister, and it was great revisiting Isaiah and getting his backstory and his perspective. I like how the series is taking its time as Wilson grapples with what it would mean to be a black Captain America. He just didn't jump into the suit and wield the shield, and that opened the door for character exploration and social commentary. It was weird though seeing his montage with the shield after it had already been shown that he was pretty good at catching it. Perhaps if they had placed that montage earlier in the series that might have worked better.

I also liked when Wilson told Torres to keep his wings. Perhaps we will see Torres as Falcon in a movie, another Disney Plus series, or FWS season two.

I'm also liking how they are trying to make this story and the characters overall more complicated and morally gray. There's few outright villains here. And they're teasing that Sharon is the Power Broker, which I don't believe she will be. If anything, she's working undercover. They've tied up some loose ends, but still got others to go. And I'm anticipating an action filled finale.

To me F&WS is the best MCU television series thus far. It's got a better balance of action and drama than the others. Some might have been better when it came to drama (like Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, to some extent WandaVision) and some had more brutal fight scenes (Punisher, Daredevil), and others still might have had more sinister big bads (Agents of Shield), but when it comes to the balance, I think Falcon & Winter Soldier has them all.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ezyo on April 17, 2021, 12:22:22 pm
Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 17, 2021, 12:31:10 pm
Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS

I dont see him doing it. The first time was in the 70s when Tchalla was just a background character. Doing it now seems like something somebody who works for him would do.

In Infinity War he just said " get that man a shield" and there it was. He didnt go to the lab and make one.

And considering Sam's original set were already built by the military, Wakanda probably already had something similar  before Tchalla was born. Lol
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 17, 2021, 02:59:14 pm
Good point about the Dora Milaje taking Zemo to the Raft. I thought that was strange, and it would make more sense for him to go to Wakanda.

I absolutely concur. I actually boo'd the scene where the DM sent Zemo to The Raft. There is too much shuck and jivin with Afrikans in the MCU. Zemo should have been offed, point blank. Killing The KING of Wakanda IS WORSE THAN offing the President of the USA. After all, several Presidents have been offed. No King of Wakanda was killed by a foreign national until Zemo did it. That alone? Should have bought him a Wakandan death penalty. Klaw was going to catch that same fate, had Killmonger not offed him first...

...and Klaw didn't kill The King of Wakanda.

I am unaware of any MCU plans preventing Zemo from being offed by the DM, but I will say that the actor playing Zemo absolutely SMASHED his role. And the writers fleshing out Zemo's backstory did an equally impressive job. As was stated earlier by one of our HEF OG's...nobody in this series is a straight up black and white villain. I am really feelin everyone's position, from Karli to Bucky, Elijah Bradley to Peggy Carter, Sam to the DM, Sarah [ Sam's sister ] to Lester and John Walker.

I was especially impressed by Sam's reason to pick up the shield of Captain America, after meeting Bradley. And I don't know how Sam would be a more formidable h2h threat than John Walker. Imo John Walker would dog walk Sam even BEFORE he got The Super Soldier Serum. With it? John was able to beat Sam AND Bucky...a very deadly Super Soldier in his own right as The Winter Soldier...in one on one h2h. Idk how Sam could realistically beat John Walker cum USAgent in a h2h throwdown in the final episode.

I would seriously like a Season 2-5 of FWS...
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: CvilleWakandan on April 17, 2021, 04:18:15 pm
Originally Tchalla gave them Zemo to keep the secret of the king having a Vibranium suit when the world still believed they were a poor country. So I would guess they gave up their jurisdiction, the best they could do was make sure he stays locked up.

The real plot hole is why Klaw never told anyone what he knew. Sounds like valuable information to sell. My fan theory us that Tchaka did find him and Klaw threatened to release the info that his brother was a traitor in the event of his death or disappearance. So Tchaka lets him sell the Vb he stole.

The going theory us he'll probably be in the Thunderbolts. Along with general Ross, and Walker.

Which is what Madam Hydra will set up
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Emperorjones on April 17, 2021, 05:38:25 pm
Good point about the Dora Milaje taking Zemo to the Raft. I thought that was strange, and it would make more sense for him to go to Wakanda.

I absolutely concur. I actually boo'd the scene where the DM sent Zemo to The Raft. There is too much shuck and jivin with Afrikans in the MCU. Zemo should have been offed, point blank. Killing The KING of Wakanda IS WORSE THAN offing the President of the USA. After all, several Presidents have been offed. No King of Wakanda was killed by a foreign national until Zemo did it. That alone? Should have bought him a Wakandan death penalty. Klaw was going to catch that same fate, had Killmonger not offed him first...

...and Klaw didn't kill The King of Wakanda.

I am unaware of any MCU plans preventing Zemo from being offed by the DM, but I will say that the actor playing Zemo absolutely SMASHED his role. And the writers fleshing out Zemo's backstory did an equally impressive job. As was stated earlier by one of our HEF OG's...nobody in this series is a straight up black and white villain. I am really feelin everyone's position, from Karli to Bucky, Elijah Bradley to Peggy Carter, Sam to the DM, Sarah [ Sam's sister ] to Lester and John Walker.

I was especially impressed by Sam's reason to pick up the shield of Captain America, after meeting Bradley. And I don't know how Sam would be a more formidable h2h threat than John Walker. Imo John Walker would dog walk Sam even BEFORE he got The Super Soldier Serum. With it? John was able to beat Sam AND Bucky...a very deadly Super Soldier in his own right as The Winter Soldier...in one on one h2h. Idk how Sam could realistically beat John Walker cum USAgent in a h2h throwdown in the final episode.

I would seriously like a Season 2-5 of FWS...

Before Walker took the serum I disagree he would've dog walked Sam. I think this series has done a pretty good job, until episode five, of making Falcon a formidable fighter. I don't think the comics when he was Captain America always did right by him, a confrontation with Punisher comes to mind. Granted it was in Punisher's comic and Falcon-Captain America was built up as a legit challenge, but turned out not to be.

Having Falcon without the serum take on the Captain America mantle is setting him up for failure in a way and gives writers a built in excuse for him to get beaten up a lot. They won't give him the Batman treatment where his fighting skills and technology pretty much neutralizes even Apokoliptian threats. With Walker now having the serum, yeah, I can't see Sam beating him in a fight straight up. He was taking on Sam and Bucky pretty easy.

Now that you reminded me of the stakes of Zemo's crime, yeah, the Doras should've killed him on the spot IMO, and if not that, he should've gone to Wakanda to stand trial. This reminds me of how they make the Wakandans pull their punches in the comics way too often for my taste.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ezyo on April 17, 2021, 07:06:56 pm
Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS

I dont see him doing it. The first time was in the 70s when Tchalla was just a background character. Doing it now seems like something somebody who works for him would do.

In Infinity War he just said " get that man a shield" and there it was. He didnt go to the lab and make one.

And considering Sam's original set were already built by the military, Wakanda probably already had something similar  before Tchalla was born. Lol

Yeah but that was also because they were literally just about to be invaded. Having T'Challa set up the gift is comic accurate (Because people love to call for it so much) whole also keeping T'Challa relevant even though he isn't around. If it goes to Shuri all it will do is just show everyone that the MCU has zero issues taking T'Challas feats and possibly stories and importing them to Shuri without hesitation or issue
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 18, 2021, 06:27:13 am
Man I gotta say, they better not take the wing fest from T'Challa and give it to Shuri. I mean, that would definitely be insult to injury if they is the gift Sam received. That would really just sell the fact that "Because comics" is BS

I dont see him doing it. The first time was in the 70s when Tchalla was just a background character. Doing it now seems like something somebody who works for him would do.

In Infinity War he just said " get that man a shield" and there it was. He didnt go to the lab and make one.

And considering Sam's original set were already built by the military, Wakanda probably already had something similar  before Tchalla was born. Lol

Yeah but that was also because they were literally just about to be invaded. Having T'Challa set up the gift is comic accurate (Because people love to call for it so much) whole also keeping T'Challa relevant even though he isn't around. If it goes to Shuri all it will do is just show everyone that the MCU has zero issues taking T'Challas feats and possibly stories and importing them to Shuri without hesitation or issue



The reason I see Falcon getting dogwalked by Walker is because Sam was never established as a h2h threat. He was the flyer, the shooter [ comic book accurate in The Ultimates ], the surprise threat. The speed aerialist without the arsenal of Iron Man or War Machine. Even his most impressive h2h feats were actually centered on the use of his wings.

There IS a way that Sam could beat John. The first thought that come to my mind? Nerve strikes. Eye strikes. Unbalancing, sweeps, throws. Use John Walker's rage and strength against him. If Sam trained with Elijah Bradley, received the direct experience of rockin with Bradley and the quintuple OG Bradley's wisdom along with his own training montage? I definitely could see him now being able to stand and deliver a serious threat to John. Bradley would be able to give Sam...who is already formidable...the benefit of Bradley's battle and prison fighting experience. Sam would have added 52 Blocks and the Osoosi form of Kipura to his already impressive h2h skills.

 However. John is still a THREE TIME MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT. He is ridiculously dangerous. There is only one form of warfare that Sam is better than John at: fighting super criminals. And in most of those encounters? Killing the supercriminals wasn't an option.

I exclude the alien invasion because killing the aliens was both required and expected.

John, however, is an expert in lethal force. Most of his missions either required lethal force or the understanding that lethal force would/could be used as an incidental part of the accomplishment of his mission. He is extremely well versed in stealth, having to sneak up on opponents armed with advanced detection tech and alert guard dogs and guards in order to achieve his goal. John is literally an unequaled, unsurpassed Special Forces officer. He makes Rambo look like Sambo. He'd punish The Punisher without effort. Had he not been caught completely unawares [ something I find very hard to believe in a specops warrior of his caliber, as I have several specops family members and even decades after two of them left the service, their habits of mind and lifestyle made sneaking up on them both nearly impossible and a potentially very dangerous endeavor ] he would have acquitted himself better in a losing effort vs The Dora Milaje. John Walker. Without exaggeration. Is the greatest soldier this nation has produced thus far. That's saying a whole. Whole lot.

I look forward to seeing how this is resolved, but since the writers in all likelihood have zero advanced h2h training like yours truly? I expect to see some form of [ what would be in my eyes and the eyes of most of us with both advanced training and a range of h2h experience including everything from winning tournaments to engaging in armed and unarmed fights vs gangmembers and cops to arresting criminals to fighting ex-penitentiary enforcers, etc ] PIS. I would take about two weeks to script the h2h between Sam and John, taking great care to include the specific factors of the lead up to their confrontation, the character motivations, and most especially the environment surrounding them, any form of troop support, the defensive capabilities of both men and the weapons they brought with them.

The arrival of USAgent on his lethal mission would imo force Bucky to the very dangerous inner confrontation with his Winter Soldier persona, because imo Winter Soldier has the ability to kill Super Soldier USAgent and Karli. The Winter Soldier went h2h with Steve Cap quite convincingly, shot The Black Widow, and was all kinds of dangerous to Steve Cap, Black Widow, Sam AND Iron Man. We need the Good Guy version of that guy. Bucky/Winter, or something.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: MindofShadow on April 19, 2021, 10:47:35 am
Think we need to remember MCU John Walker =/= comic Walker. MCU Walker got his ass handed to him over and over again without the serum. Obviously he is still skilled, as he ran into super soldiers and Doras but still... he's no Black Widow H2H.

But... Falcon's h2h skills without the aid of his wings is sh*t lol. Crossbones bodied him, Batroc bodied him, a Dora slapped him up. So yeah... Walker with the serum is a problem, especially considering the fight he put up against Bucky and Sam.

The equalizer is that Sam has the shield now and the incoming new Falcon gear. Will the new Falcon gear be vibranium? Does Bucky have THAT much pull to get that sort of a gift from Wakanda? They got to be better put together than his last two sets... WS tore his first set apart and Walker tore his second one apart. Wakanda ain't just gonna keep resupplying him with stuff lol.

Of course... Sam could just go back to bringing out the guns again, but probably won't fly to shoot Walker with a missile lol.

Also, this next fight with Walker is likely to be outside, which actually gives Sam room to maneuver.

What hte training montage needed was Sam and Bucky sparing. Let Sam get more practice using the shield against opponents that are bigger, faster, and stronger than him.


Oh and the Doras didn't execute Zemo because T'challa didn't want him dead remember? "The Living are not done with you yet." With Wakanda now being open to the world to some extent... taking Zemo to the raft may have been a diplomatic move.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Battle on April 20, 2021, 12:09:33 pm
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There is too much shuck and jivin with Afrikans in the MCU. Zemo should have been offed, point blank. Killing The KING of Wakanda IS WORSE THAN offing the President of the USA. After all, several Presidents have been offed. No King of Wakanda was killed by a foreign national until Zemo did it. That alone? Should have bought him a Wakandan death penalty. Klaw was going to catch that same fate, had Killmonger not offed him first...



True indeed.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 20, 2021, 01:17:47 pm


The equalizer is that Sam has the shield now and the incoming new Falcon gear. Will the new Falcon gear be vibranium? Does Bucky have THAT much pull to get that sort of a gift from Wakanda?
Of course... Sam could just go back to bringing out the guns again, but probably won't fly to shoot Walker with a missile lol.

The shield might have been an equalizer if Sam wasn't dealing with a person in John Walker who also proved to be very competent with the shield. Unless Sam is a zillion times better than Walker? Sam shouldn't have a decisive advantage...
...except...

...I noticed RIGHT AWAY that Sam and Bucky were very adept with slinging the shield when Sam practiced with his RIGHT hand and Bucky practiced with his Vibranium arm. But in the training montage? SAM TRAINED HIS LEFT SIDE AND ARM PRIMARILY. John Walker? Practiced the shield ONLY ON HIS RIGHT SIDE.  He used it almost exclusively RIGHT HANDED in almost ALL the scenes where Walker used the shield combatively. This ambidextrousness of Sam's might be used to gain the W on John. But that right there should be some ole PIS. Because all specop warriors of anywhere near John's caliber shoot ambidextrously, and that same ingrained training would make John ambidextrous with the shield.

The advantage skill wise that Sam has over John Walker? Is that Sam is definitely possessed of superior combat acrobatic and aerial skills. This hearkens back to his comic book origins, wherein Sam's described as a literally a Master Acrobat. In open spaces? Sam has skills that definitely even the playing field, and even tilts it in his favor. But not by much.


Also, this next fight with Walker is likely to be outside, which actually gives Sam room to maneuver.

What hte training montage needed was Sam and Bucky sparing. Let Sam get more practice using the shield against opponents that are bigger, faster, and stronger than him.


I absolutely agree that Sam and Bucky should have been sparring, but I think that both should have been overseen in some kind of way by Elijah Bradley. That would have been sweet. PIS, but sweet.  Btw, in regular or even regular "extended" CQB with pistols, etc? John Walker...THE THREE TIME RECIPIENT OF THE MEDAL OF HONOR...dog walks Sam. Remember that John Walker in this Disney+ incarnation is the very best specops soldier that the USA has ever created without the SSS. He's also an insane sniper shot expert

Oh and the Doras didn't execute Zemo because T'challa didn't want him dead remember? "The Living are not done with you yet." With Wakanda now being open to the world to some extent... taking Zemo to the raft may have been a diplomatic move.

I see where you're coming from, but...this is something we're probably just going to have to agree to amicably disagree about. We usually almost wholly agree with every post of yours that I've seen you write, like I find myself in nearly synchronous agreement with everything that Ture writes. But not this time. From my perspective? It's definitely PIS to let Zemo survive. Yes, you're RIGHT. T'Challa DID say to Zemo that:"...the Living are not done with you yet." And I agree. The Wakandans are still part of the Living, and Zemo will still have to settle up with them for killing King T'Chaka. The price? Zemo's life. Not just the death of Zemo, but the dismantling of each and every one of his schemes, the punishment of his co-conspirators, enablers, financial backers, etc. and reposession of anything of value that he has acquired in his life. The particulars and specifics of his life? Would be almost entirely erased by Wakanda.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Ture on April 24, 2021, 02:44:32 pm
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Falcon and the Winter Soldier concluded as expected. No real surprises. Apparently Wakandan Design Group is in the apparel business and willing to ship overseas as evidenced by Sam's new costume. While they did not give credit to T'Challa for creating Falcon's new wings, curiously, they made no mention that Shuri made them either. Interesting.

For me, Zemo was a standout through the entire series and he did not disappoint in the last episode. Despite how brief his screen time was, his impact was greatly felt as he, via proxy, eliminated the remaining super soldiers. Another series long standout was Karli Morgenthau. She got off but as is the Marvel way, was killed off. Why Marvel? Why continue to do away with some of your more interesting antagonists and villains?

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Speaking of villains, to the surprise of no one Sharon Carter was confirmed as the Power Broker. White women can now rejoice as they have representation among the long list of white male patriots who felt betrayed by their government and decided to go to the dark side. Peggy Carter must be turning in her grave.

John Walker showed his true colors and assisted Falcon in fighting Karli and her super soldiers, not to mention receiving a new costume and the code name US Agent courtesy of one Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine.

Everything else in the series finale was a Black Lives Matter shout out. Isaiah Bradley stayed consistent. Sam saw to it that he received a statue and a commemorative placard in the Captain America section of the Smithsonian so that all visitors will know of his 30 years of imprisonment and torture for serving the US government. Maybe next season he will receive a public apology from the president and some financial compensation.

Sam Wilson delivered a speech that would make Rev. Al Sharpton proud.

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It seems that Anthony Mackie's Falcon may be the new outspoken voice of so called black heroism, attempting to fill the void left by the late Chadwick Boseman's Black Panther. Mackie's Falcon will be a much better spokesman for Marvel than Chadwick  Boseman's Black Panther could ever have been by virtue of what each character represents. Though leave no doubt that Black Panther is what the world needs to see.

Mackie's sensibilities seem to gel with being a company man more so than Boseman's. The latter didn't want to do a series and was outspoken about how Afrakan centered the Black Panther should be. So much so he was willing to walk away from the role rather than capitulate to something he knew was not and should not be germane to the Black Panther and his people. Mackie just has to spout pro black sentiments and demonstrate US racial progress through victimization and assimilation.

All this may be headed to the big screen as the head writer and creator of Disney+ and Marvel's The Falcon and the Winter Soldier are developing a fourth film for the Captain America franchise for Marvel Studios. Spellman will co-write the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on Falcon and the Winter Soldier. No castings for the project have been announced.

With all said and done The Falcon and the winter Soldier was entertaining and good addition to the ever growing Marvel cinematic universe. Next up Loki and I don't expect any Black Panther references or pop ups. Maybe Black Widow. I guess we will hear some news about the upcoming Wakanda series pretty soon. 













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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Emperorjones on April 24, 2021, 03:34:20 pm
Though this series was uneven and inconsistent at times I really enjoyed it. I thought it did a very good job fleshing out Falcon, which the movies didn't do, though it would be great to give him a love interest the next time we see him. (I was thinking him and Sharon might have a little thing between them; after they did such a good job with Peggy and Steve, it felt icky to present Sharon as Rogers' 21st century love interest anyway, and the two actors didn't seem to have much chemistry either. Steve had more chemistry with Black Widow). The series also added more complexity to Bucky. It redeemed Zemo to a large extent while vilifying Sharon (I can't believe that's the real Sharon, I'm hoping it's a Skrull; if it's the real Sharon and she gets a slap on the wrist after being exposed I'm going to chalk it up to the trend I've seen of lack of female-particularly white female-accountability in entertainment these days). Not a fan of Sharon as Power Broker. I was hoping there would be a twist where she was working undercover all along or someone else was the Power Broker.

I was very happy to see Isaiah Bradley. I had been hoping he would get a mention in First Avenger and had pretty much given up on his story being part of the MCU, so it was great that it was included in this series and had such an influence on Falcon and his decisions. Though I do wish the statue for him hadn't just been for him, but more for all the soldiers that were experimented on. Wasn't a fan of Falcon's Captain America suit, which I felt was too bulky. So I'm hoping its streamlined for Captain America 4 or wherever he appears again.

I also thought Karli was a good villain. But I was okay with her being killed off. I don't see where they could go with her. I didn't see her being redeemable, unlike John Walker.
 
Six episodes wasn't enough time to really tell this story. John Walker's arc was all over the place, and he ended him being something of a goof by the end, geeking over his US Agent suit. I also didn't care for Julia Louis Dreyfus. She seemed awkward to me and her jokes didn't land for me. Give me Lena Headey or Jaime Murray for that role any day.

Definitely agree with the belief that Mackie is more of a company man. It will be interesting to see how they distinguish War Machine from the new Captain America because both characters are cut from the same cloth.

I'm very curious to see if audiences will be there for a Captain America 4. I'm guessing they might really stack the deck to make sure people go see it. I could see Bucky, Sharon, US Agent, and Zemo back, and I imagine others will be as well. I've heard rumors that Marvel wants to do Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers, and I could see Captain America 4 perhaps being tied to that to definitely entice people who might not like the idea of Falcon as Captain America, or mostly a black Captain America.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Salustrade on April 24, 2021, 07:01:54 pm
It's good to be back my brother.  :)

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier delivered another satisfactory chapter. Opening with a great combat scene with John Walker fighting both Sam and Bucky. I dare say that Nu Cap gave the former Winter Soldier a better fight than did Black Panther or Captain America. Nu Cap was able to momentarily knock out Bucky and damaged his cybernetic arm before being subdued.

While previous episodes have delivered their fair share of BLM commentary on black impoverishment, black imprisonment, black identity and black sacrifice, the fifth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier hit hard with a statement from Isaiah Bradley. The "bitter old man" told the truth to Sam in no uncertain terms. He said they will never let a black man be Captain America and even if they did, no self respectin' black man would ever want to be. Think about that Black Falcon.

The late Lemar Hoskins' grieving black mother went all in as the lamenting mama complete with stating the decease's obligatory pride and honored to be a side kick.

Ayo and the Dora Milaje took Zemo to the raft for further imprisonment though I wonder why they did not take him to Wakanda as she seemed so dishonored to learn of Zemo escaping prison. Go figure. Not to mention, I think it was Zemo who actually contacted the Doras.

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Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine (yea, that's how she, the guest cameo, introduced herself) not only praises John Walker's actions but makes him an offer he shouldn't refuse but more interesting than that is she discloses that Captain America's shield does not belong to the US government. Maybe this is why one of the Doras was going to keep it after disarming it from Nu Cap.

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This harkens back to vibranium stolen by Klaw that was used to construct Ultron and the Vision. Not only did the writers of Black Panther the movie have T'Challa fail to bring Klaw back to Wakanda they had him state that he gave Zemo to the Ross and thus to the CIA. That's two enemies of Wakanda not facing Wakandan justice and retribution. The Protocols of the 710 universe would have had T'Challa laying hands on Klaw while over head his cloaked Talon fighter emits a low level emp that disables all the cell phones, electronic surveillance and satellite feeds thus allowing the Black Panther to pummel Klaw with impunity and then take his unconscious foe into his ship and fly back to Wakanda. Personally speaking I think the Black Panther habit should have stealth tech that renders him electronically invisible but that's me.

Sam's training scenes were good to see especially his practice with the shield. Bucky and Sam as a team, err, partners, nah coworkers is developing well. So much so that Bucky calls in a favor from Wakanda and gives Sam a gift. As the Falcon's wings were clipped by Nu Cap I'm betting the package Sam received were high tech vibranium wings. It wasn't revealed but its a definite.

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All I got to say is that next episode better address T'Challa making the wings for Sam or we gonna have us a problem.



being BP for a decade means nothing of you have nothing to show for it, no stories to tell, no memorable groundbreaking run for people to talk about. It's literally only used as ammunition for why Shuri should be BP, but no one can give more then "Well it happened on comics" Yea? And? T'Challa fried Thanos brain with Pieces of the cell that was holding him with some on the fly super genius. But we didn't see that on EG


None of which was Shuri's fault.

Yeah, I'm back.



Good to hear from you Salustrade. Welcome back Brother.















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I heartily applaud and wholeheartedly agree with every letter of this post...to no one's surprise. I especially am in agreement that T'Challa's habit should be wreathed with stealth tech making him invisible to electronic and most sensory means of perception; PREDATOR armor times 100. And T'Challa himself should be both the incarnation of supreme stealth and the seamless synthesis of spirit and sinew.


I absolutely loved The Contessa and her snappy banter. I definitely want to see more of her, and the final episode seems like that is exactly what will happen.

I absolutely think that John Walker is forging a new shield and will probably debut the USAgent uniform in the final episode. I'm feelin John Walker Cap and his character arc. He DOESN'T deserve the "hate you because you're not Steve Cap" or "hate you because you killed that Super Soldier terrorist" hate he's gotten online. I think he was right to kill that guy. If I just witnessed you kill a guy I considered to be my brother, my very best friend ever and my best war buddy? I'd kill you, too. And everyone else responsible. If there was even one of these people responsible for my brother's death still out there breathing? Then...In the final flashback words of Battlestar...it's: "Time to go to work." And good ole Wayne is doing a good job with John Walker. He's believable, relateable. I really felt him several times. During his introduction, Lemar and John's attempt to make friends with Sam and Bucky, and especially when the Dora Milaje cleaned everyone's clock and John had that incredibly dejected and disappointed look on his face as he said: "They're not even Super Soldiers."

The showdown with Sam Cap will be epic. I most definitely want to see that. It's going to be incredible and looong overdue. I'm sooo tired of seeing Sam and Rhodey playing second fiddle in these movies. It seems that the only truly viable Black male hero in the MCU who stands on his own is T'Challa...whom they're trying to write out of his own franchise. Sam, Rhodey, and Nick Fury are all vibrant second stringers who are clearly lesser powered backup guys with less than major roles to play in every film.

I wondered if Wakanda would seek to reposses Cap's shield due to its partial Vibranium construction, but I wouldn't see such a thing being done if T'Challa The Black Panther remained in Wakanda. I'm not especially loving that idea, as I would think that a more Black Panther-ish move would have been to have doctored the Vibranium in Cap's shield with Afrofuturistic information gathering Sekhmet i-oktophasi which are subquantum level octopi shaped programmable info retrieving bots that Captain America unwittingly takes with him on every adventure, thus providing the most close held information of the USA and others to Wakanda without any effort by or risk to Wakanda or her people. Maybe the DM are sent to FEIGN interest in recapturing the shield, thus ensuring that the USA government and perhaps Sam Cap keeps the shield all the more close by his side and secures all the more Wakanda's intel gathering on the USA and whatever Cap they choose?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Kimoyo on April 25, 2021, 12:51:20 pm
Loving the thorough and brilliant analysis of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier on this forum. I thoroughly enjoyed the series. My key take away was how much I appreciated Marvel/Disney incorporating the "Truth" storyline into the plot, being unafraid to reveal a tarnish to the legacy of America's "Greatest Generation" that should resonate with people of color as it attempts to shed light on subsequent injustice, inequality and institutional racism.

As an African-American male, the series spoke to me in a way no other comics-based television series ever has. The contrast between Isaiah Bradley's weathered, grounded view of America and Sam/"Black Falcon's" soaringly hopeful, idealistic view of what it could be, reflects the conversations of Black folk still to this day. Overall, I found it extremely well considered and executed. Like any such enterprise, there were some plot holes and questionable devices, but nothing I couldn't gleefully overlook.

As to Sam's h2h prowess, considering he trained with Cap extensively as a partner and Avenger, I didn't find it too much of a stretch for him to hold his own against Batroc or even, given the clever incorporation of his wings and flight rig's propulsion into his tactics, the suped-up Flag Smashers or John Walker.

Loved seeing the Dora Milaje, (referred to as "the Wakandans") represented, in character, as competent and ferocious, and functional international assets. I did scratch my head over them depositing Zemo at "the Raft" but given Zemo's villian potential, I can accept this as a continuation of T'Challa's diplomatic approach to Wakanda's big reveal. At least they let it be known they are watching and capable of taking action, across borders, when need be!

Having Carli shine a light, however misguidedly, on oppression of a global scale added another level to the narrative, indicating the dire nature of the stakes at hand and setting the table perhaps for intergalactic conflict in the MCU. Sharon Carter could easily be a Skrull and I hope that is so?

Sam Wilson as Captain America positions Marvel and perhaps its most tent pole property to be in the midst of conversations on race and representation, injustice and inequality as we continue to struggle with these concepts in the real world. I'm all for it! Make mine MCU!

My Two Cents!

Peace,

Mont

Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Emperorjones on April 25, 2021, 03:29:22 pm
Entertainment Weekly reviewer isn't a fan.


The Falcon and the Winter Soldier failed noble ambitions with limp storytelling: Review

https://ew.com/tv/tv-reviews/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-review/
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Kimoyo on April 25, 2021, 04:35:28 pm
The problem with critics/reviewers is if you leave them anything to chew on, they are compelled to make it into a full course meal!

There are some valid criticisms in the review, things that would never make the cut in a two hour movie, but fill out a 6 hour television series in a way that should make you go, "hmm that was weird" while on your way to the fridge to grab a drink. As a fan, I look at a reviewer prioritizing criticism of the story's flaws over the way it made him feel as an occupational hazard...his problem not mine and likely not Marvel's or Disney+?

I was entertained, saw it as good TV advancing the MCU and much needed diversity within. In the words of Stan "the Man," Excelsior!

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: MindofShadow on April 26, 2021, 10:03:19 am
Entertainment Weekly reviewer isn't a fan.


The Falcon and the Winter Soldier failed noble ambitions with limp storytelling: Review

https://ew.com/tv/tv-reviews/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-review/

EW reviewer seems like his wife left him 20 minute sbefore he had to right this review, yeeesh.

I mean like, bringing up Cap kissing Sharon? That is worth the words in this review?

tHis screams an amateur YT review type of thing, that just says stuff hoping to get a reactino out of people. I assumed EW was bigger than though....
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Post by: Emperorjones on April 27, 2021, 06:23:51 am
Anthony Mackie Thinks His ‘Captain America’ Action Figure Looks Like Someone Else

http://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/anthony-mackie-captain-america-action-figure-colbert-123046167.html (http://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/anthony-mackie-captain-america-action-figure-colbert-123046167.html)

‘The Falcon and Winter Soldier’ fails to pay off on its initial promise

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/falcon-and-winter-soldier-episode-six-captain-america-disney-plus-133033258.html (http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/falcon-and-winter-soldier-episode-six-captain-america-disney-plus-133033258.html)


'Falcon and Winter Soldier' Boss Malcolm Spellman on Making the MCU's Heaviest Story: "Marvel Never Blinked"


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/falcon-and-winter-soldier-boss-malcolm-spellman-on-making-the-mcus-heaviest-story-marvel-never-blinked (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/falcon-and-winter-soldier-boss-malcolm-spellman-on-making-the-mcus-heaviest-story-marvel-never-blinked)
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience
Post by: Ture on May 18, 2021, 09:31:22 pm
Disney Commits to “Creators of Color” With Onyx Collective
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As The Walt Disney Company has strengthened its commitment to a diverse workforce, policies throughout the company have begun to shift. For example, the “Disney Look” dress code for Disney Parks Cast Members has become more inclusive, allowing for visible tattoos, new hairstyles, and other forms of personal expression. In addition, a new Disney Channel executive was hired specifically to focus on “diversity and inclusion” within various programs on the network.

Now, Disney is further committing to diversity with the creation of Onyx Collective, a new division that will focus specifically on projects by “creators of color”.

Forbes shared details about the new Onyx Collective content label:

Tara Duncan, a leading executive at the Walt Disney Company,already successfully running the company’s cable platform, Freeform, will now expand her portfolio to launch Disney’s new brand.

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Dana Walden, Chairman of Entertainment Walt Disney Television, announced that Onyx Collective will feature the work of “creators of color and other underrepresented creators.” She added that Onyx Collective will largely distribute its content on Hulu, one of Disney’s two domestic streaming platforms.

Earlier this year, it was announced that Walt Disney Company CEO Bob Chapek would chair two diversity councils — one focusing on general inclusivity at the company and another focused on diversity within the companies content. It is possible that Onyx Collective was borne of the latter.

At this time, details about specific creators who will be associated with Onyx Collective are limited. However, Forbes’s report did confirm: Onyx Collective already has many high profile producing partnerships underway, including but not limited to: Oprah Winfrey, Questlove and Ryan Coogler.

Coogler already has experience with Disney-owned Marvel Studios and is currently directing Black Panther 2 and the upcoming Disney+ Wakanda series. Marvel announced the show in February with a Tweet that read: Writer-director-producer Ryan Coogler and Proximity Media will develop a #BlackPanther spinoff series based in the Kingdom of Wakanda for@DisneyPlus!


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Wakanda Vision - New Photo Op with BP
Post by: Ture on May 23, 2021, 01:21:31 am
There’s a NEW ‘Black Panther’ Photo Op at This Disney Park!
by Monique Reynoso

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We are just days away from Disney California Adventure Park’s Avengers Campus grand opening. Preparations for this new land are in full swing. And now the park is receiving a new Black Panther photo opportunity that looks incredible. Although this summer will welcome the grand opening of the new Avengers Campus, it will also mark the anniversary of Chadwick Boseman’s untimely passing. The resort has previously honored his legacy with a mural featuring the Black Panther actor at the Downtown Disney District.

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Even the upcoming second Black Panther film, set to debut July 8, 2022, will pay homage to the late actor. The film’s title Black Panther: Wakanda Forever gives off the feeling of carrying on the legacy of the Black Panther. At this time not much else is known about the upcoming Marvel film, but we do know that it will not feature a CGI version of Boseman. We also know that writer and director Ryan Coogler wants to honor Boseman the best way he can in this film.

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Additionally, Avengers Campus will have a special photo opportunity to meet the Black Panther. The new photo location is definitely fit for royalty! It is grand and perfect for the King of Wakanda. This new photo op is currently set up in the Hollywood Studios Backlot area of Disney California Adventure Park.

Thanks to jennydisneydreams on Instagram, we got a quick glimpse of what looks to be an photo opportunity and possibly socially distanced meet and greet before Avengers Campus opens and Black Panther moves to the new Marvel land. Lately, the Marvel heroes fans know and love have been making appearances at the Hollywood Backlot in the meantime.

Don’t forget to get your photo at this new amazing spot on your next trip to the parks!

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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - The Disney+ Experience - Wakanda Vision - New Photo Op with BP
Post by: Ture on May 27, 2021, 07:49:55 pm
Okoye BLACK PANTHER Spinoff in Development for Disney+
by Eric Diaz

Not too long ago, we learned that Marvel was developing a Wakanda-based series for Disney+, with Ryan Coogler producing. But that’s not the only Black Panther spinoff series coming to the streamer. Via a profile on showbiz “Power Lawyers” in The Hollywood Reporter, we’ve discovered that Danai Gurira is not only returning for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, but is also getting her own Okoye spin-off origin series for Disney+. As Okoye was easily one of the most popular characters in the whole MCU, this is richly deserved.

So what do we know about this Okoye series? Well, right now, not much. Only that it’s far enough in development to have already secured Dunai Gurira’s return. Of course, due to her years on The Walking Dead as Michonne, we all know we’re in for a treat. One imagines we will see the rest of the Black Panther’s royal guard, the Dora Milajae, in some form on the Okoye series.


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In The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Dora member Ayo also impressed viewers. So here’s hoping she’s a guest star at least. Of course, there is also the romance between Okoye and Daniel Kaluuya‘s W’Kabi to explore. He will almost certainly appear as well. If it ends up as a flashback series, then perhaps King T’Chaka too? Okoye served him long before T’Challa. Her friendship with Nakia (Lupita Nyong’o) is also something we hope to see more of.

Okoye debuted in the Marvel Knights Black Panther series in 1998. Aspects of her backstory which may appear include Okoye helping to recruit Queen Divine Justice into the Dora. Divine Justice, the actual queen of the Jabari tribe of Wakanda, grew up in Chicago. She would be another great character to see in an Okoye series. In the comics, Okoye also has a brief flirtation with Kasper Cole, the White Tiger. Any of these aspects of her past are worthy storylines. When it comes to the captain of the Dora Milaje, the possibilities are endless.


https://nerdist.com/article/okoye-black-panther-spinoff-danai-gurira-disney-plus/


Black Panther: Danai Gurira to Appear in Disney+ Wakanda Series
By JOE SCHMIDT

The Marvel Cinematic Universe continues to expand with many new series on Disney+, and while fans are eager to see what's next in the sequel Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, the franchise is also getting its own show on the new streaming service. And while there were questions about what exactly the show would entail, it looks like Marvel Studios is bringing back a familiar face in the form of Danai Gurira as the Dora Milage leader Okoye. The hero became a member of the Avengers during the five year gap between Infinity War and Endgame, so her inclusion in the Black Panther: Kingdom of Wakanda spinoff series isn't a huge surprise.

Gurira's involvement has not officially been confirmed by Marvel Studios. However, a new report from THR indicates that Gurira's lawyer Jamie Mandelbaum negotiated a deal for her return as Okoye in both Black Panther: Wakanda Forever and the spinoff series Kingdom of Wakanda.

Outside of formally announcing the Disney+ show with involvement from Black Panther director Ryan Coogler, Marvel Studios has yet to reveal any other information about the new series. In fact, details about the future of the franchise have been kept tightly under wraps — especially so after the death of star Chadwick Boseman. Coogler himself explained on Jemele Hill's Unbothered about the difficulty of crafting the Black Panther sequel without the actor who played the title character.

“You know, I’m currently going through it,” he explained. “One thing that I’ve learned in my short or long time on this Earth, however, you want to look at it, it’s difficult to have perspective on something while you’re going through it. This is one of the more profound things that I’ve ever gone through in my life, having to be a part of keeping this project going without this particular person. Who was like the glue that held it together.”

He added, ”That said, you have a personal life, you have a professional life, you got a private life. When you work in something that you love, those things blend, they come together right? Your life kind of becomes your work for the better part of it. So, I’m trying to find a work-life balance, so I’m working on building two things that can stand on their own. I’m not there yet. But, this is without question, the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do in my professional life.”

Actress Lupita Nyong'o recently spoke with Yahoo! about the sequel. During the interview, she touched on the difficulty of returning to the role without Boseman joining the rest of the cast and crew.

“People will ask me, ‘Are you excited to go back?’ Excitement isn’t the word. I feel like I’m in a very pensive and meditative state when it comes to Black Panther 2. His passing is still extremely raw for me,” Nyong’o said. “And I can’t even begin to imagine what it will be like to step on set and not have him there... But at the same time we have a leader in Ryan, who feels very much like we do, who feels the loss in a very, very real way as well."

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is currently set to premiere in theaters on July 8, 2022. Kingdom of Wakanda does not yet have a release date on Disney+.


https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/black-panther-danai-gurira-to-appear-in-disney-wakanda-series/











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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER THE DISNEY+ EXPERIENCE - Kingdom of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on June 10, 2021, 08:19:03 pm
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With the opening of Disney's new Avengers Campus in California, we get an appetizer consisting of the Black Panther and the Dora Milajae. There was some talk of there being a Wakandan attraction perhaps at Disney World Florida which would be our main course. The Black Panther movie did an outstanding job of making Wakanda feel real ,especially to Afrakans both home and abroad. While I would love to wander through Wakanda there are certain aspects that need to be descriptively outlined.

What would make the Wakandan attraction great would be its many points of interests. The waterfalls aka Warrior Falls; downtown central Wakanda shopping district; the kings palace; the Jabari lands; go underground to the tunnels and caverns leading through vibranium mines; Shuri's lab; public transit system; ride the royal talon fighter; W'Kabi's rhino reserve; the sacred ritual of the heart shaped herb chamber and of course the ancestral realm. If Disney were to fully commit, which they usually do, this could be outstanding.

There also has to be a great menu showcasing Wakandan cuisine. Let's not forget Wakandan music must fill the air to help pass the time waiting in long lines. Along with live action performances there should be interactive and immersive activities for patrons. T'Challa the Black Panther should be omnipresent throughout the entire attraction. This is another reason why they need to recast T'Challa the Black Panther. Each movie should entice audiences to want to visit the home of T'Challa the Black Panther.

The real challenge is not to be afraid to focus on the Afrakan cultural influences and nuances. Keep the black in Black Panther. Remember Wakandan is an Afrakan nation that has never been colonized; untouched by the evils of slavery; spared neo colonialism, racism, Jim Crow, denial of civil rights and second class citizenship; free from religious domination and persecution; no police brutality, no gang violence and no drug use. Sounds too good to be true... well that is what dreams are made of and that is the business that Disney and Marvel specialize in.












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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER THE DISNEY+ Captain America: The Winter Soldier Vs Black Panther
Post by: Ture on July 02, 2021, 09:34:39 pm
Captain America: The Winter Soldier Vs Black Panther - Which Movie Is Better?
Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Black Panther are considered by many fans to be two of the best films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
BY KIT MORRIS

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe is arguably the greatest film franchise of all time. It has taken great comic book characters and plots and brought them to the big screen. Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Black Panther are considered by many fans to be two of the best films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But which one of these movies is better than the other and for what reasons? There are many ways in which Captain America: The Winter Soldier is better than Black Panther and others why Black Panther is better than Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier Is A Great Sequel

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Most of the main superheroes in the Marvel Cinematic Universe have had multiple movies, and The Winter Soldier isn't the first movie that focuses on Captain America's character arc. The First Avenger was where he started his journey, and The Winter Soldier is a great continuation of that film. Multiple characters from the first movie returned in the second in ways that shocked fans and both films are equally important to understand the greater plot.

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Black Panther Is A Great Standalone Movie

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After The Winter Soldier, there was one more movie in Captain America's trilogy of films, Civil War. This movie introduced a couple of the main characters in Black Panther. Even though fans will enjoy Black Panther more if they see Civil War first, it's also a great movie for those that have never seen any of the other films in the MCU, while The Winter Soldier can get quite confusing for newcomers to the franchise.
In fact, Black Panther is a great place to start since it focuses on important issues that impact the real world, which not all of the films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe do.

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier Has More Action Scenes

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Action scenes are very important in a superhero film as it is one of the things fans are looking forward to the most. The epic battles throughout the movies are enjoyable and thrilling, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier not only has more action scenes, but they're also better than the ones in Black Panther.

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Black Panther Has Fascinating Lore

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Though the main plot of Black Panther is great, its lore and worldbuilding are even better, revealing things that were never mentioned in any of the previous films and concepts that make the movie much more enjoyable than it would be if they weren't in it. The Winter Soldier, despite history being important to the plot, focused on things that were already introduced from previous movies. It'll be very interesting to see the lore of Black Panther get expanded upon in future films, especially since there is still a lot of mystery surrounding Wakanda's history.

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier Has A Better Team Of Heroes

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T'Challa and his comrades may be a great team, but they can't compete with Captain America's friends. Falcon, Black Widow, and Nick Fury are some of the most beloved characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

While Falcon was introduced at the beginning of The Winter Soldier, Black Widow and Nick Fury had been in multiple movies before that so fans got to know more about them than the heroes in Black Panther. Because of the skills they have and their role in the franchise, there aren't a lot of characters that would make a better team.

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Black Panther's T'Challa Is A Great Leader

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Captain America may have stepped up to become a leader among his team in The Winter Soldier, as well as other movies, but he's never had to deal with the responsibilities that come with being king.

As the ruler of Wakanda, T'Challa has to be the best leader he possibly can be, and he does a great job throughout the movie, understanding that he needs to change with the world so he can help other nations, even if it means not being the ruler that his father was. Most of the people he has to lead would also do anything for him, and even the Jabari Tribe helped T'Challa, knowing how greater of a ruler he is.

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier Has A Great Group Of Villains

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There are multiple antagonists in both Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Black Panther. Hydra, a group of antagonists that played an important role in multiple installments throughout the Marvel Cinematic Universe, served as the main antagonists in The Winter Soldier. One of its members, Zola, who was also an antagonist from The First Avenger, made an epic return in its sequel. And when fans found out that the Winter Soldier was Captain America's closest friend, Bucky, they were shocked.

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Black Panther's Killmonger Is One Of The MCU's Best Antagonists

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Because Bucky was being controlled by Hydra, he isn't as good as the main antagonist from Black Panther, Killmonger. Though Killmonger originally seemed to be just one member of a group of antagonists, he ended up betraying and killing his comrades, which set him up to be a greater villain than anyone from The Winter Soldier on their own. He was also a relatable antagonist to some as well as a more complex character than most of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's other villains.

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier Has A Better Mid-Credits Scene

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When it comes to many movies, people will stop watching as soon as the credits begin to roll. However, when it comes to a movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, fans don't want to miss out on the mid and post-credits scenes. In the mid-credits scene of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch appear, who became important characters in Avengers: Age of Ultron.

Scarlet Witch would also go on to be in other movies and have her own show on Disney+. While the mid and post-credits scenes in Black Panther were good, they didn't set up anything big.

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Black Panther's Setting Is Better

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Wakanda is such a fascinating setting in the MCU. Despite being a country on Earth, Wakanda is a fictional place, making it a great mix between movies in the franchise that take place in other areas on Earth and films that take place in other worlds, like Thor or Guardians of the Galaxy. Wakanda will forever be a magical place and parts of it that haven't been shown yet hopefully will be in the future.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ BP Gets 2 New Spin-Off Series!
Post by: Ture on July 06, 2021, 09:07:23 am
‘Black Panther’ Disney+ Spin-Off Series Gets a New LLC
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Marvel Studios recently started production on their Black Panther sequel Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The studio also has two spin-off series in development in the fictional world of Wakanda. Little is known regarding both series’ but thanks to a new report, it looks like one of them is gearing up for pre-production.

According to The Ronin, the upcoming Wakanda series for Disney+ has received an official LLC (limited liability company) attached to it. The LLC goes by Maglev Train Productions.

The LLC seemingly confirms the return to Wakanda, as The Wakandan Maglev Train, seen in Black Panther, is a highly advanced magnetic levitation train used in Wakanda. It is used both for public transportation in the Golden City and for carrying Vibranium at high speed inside the Great Mound. T’Challa and Killmonger had their final battle on the tracks of the train.

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Not much is known on the Wakanda series, which the internet is calling The Kingdom of Wakanda. The official announcement on the series came a few months back when Black Panther and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever director Ryan Coogler and his production banner Proximity Media inked a lucrative 5-year TV deal with Disney. Coogler is expected to write and produce on the project. No word yet if he will direct episodes.

That isn’t the only project in the works. A series centered on Okoye, the General of the Dora Milaje and the head of Wakandan armed forces and intel, is also in the works. Danai Gurira will return to the role. Per her lawyer Jamie Mandelbaum, he’s seemingly brokered a deal between the actress and Marvel for her to appear in multiple future projects, which would include her solo series.

We will return to the world of Wakanda in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, which is set to hit theaters on July 8, 2022.


https://thedisinsider.com/2021/07/05/black-panther-disney-spin-off-series-gets-a-new-llc/










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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+New What If Trailer Drops - Killmonger steals show!
Post by: Ture on July 08, 2021, 11:20:15 am
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WATCH THE NEW PREVIEW HERE!!!
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From the trailer I think I may find the Killmonger What If more to my liking than even T'Challa's, particularly if the narrative is derivative of T'Challa not wanting to be king and choosing to be a guardian of the galaxy instead of the Black Panther of the galaxy. Killmonger saving Stark not only looks interesting but also the start of a beautiful friendship. What If this leads to Stark staying in the weapons industry? What If N'Jadaka worked with him in R&D to create specialized weapons and tech? What If Killmonger wants to become a political force in Wakanda? What if Killmonger gets a dose of the super soldier serum and he and T'Challa engage in ritual combat? This preview has me bristling with ideas.

This preview also showed a young Shuri, the Dora Milajae and what appears to be the Queen Mother rallying them to war against Killmonger who is leading the charge riding a Wakandan war rhino. I didn't see T'Challa and wonder... What If this all occurs during his sojourn with the Guardians of the Galaxy? What If this is the catalyst for him to return and take the throne? What If the Killmonger saga is just part of the T'Challa going to the Guardians. Whoa!

Gotta say Marvel/Disney's animation looks great. Look out DC. Captain Carter also looks impressive and for my time and money that is what I want from the Black Panther, impressive feats not contemplation on his duties and responsibilities or comedic indulgences. If the Killmonger story is indeed part of the T'Challa goes with the Guardians narrative then I think we are in for a very pleasant treat.

See you August 11th.










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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Ture on July 18, 2021, 11:22:50 pm
Watched the final episode of Loki. Overall I think this was the weakest Disney+ Marvel series of the three. Special effects were subpar. The other variant Lokis were made to look like a joke especially the comedic fodder that was 1980s cosplay Loki.

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To add insult to injury, they not only clowned Loki and jobbered him out but they really went overboard with this out of character depiction of Kang the Conqueror.


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This left me in need of a serious palate cleansing. So I sought out the animated series Black Panther and Earth Mightiest Heroes (aka Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes) to remind myself what a serious iteration of Kang the Conqueror looks and acts like.

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This is Marvels best Avengers animated series and it is good enough to stand up to the Justice League animated series... and that is saying a lot. For the record I don't consider Panther's Quest a part of the Avengers series. It was so masterfully done that it easily stands on it own merit as a Black Panther solo series. Back to Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes... I mean Black Panther and Earth Mightiest Heroes.

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Whenever you need a Black panther pick me up.... Whew.

Oh yea, lest we neglect how good the Black Panther looks in live action.


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Wakanda Forever! T'Challa Immortal!

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Nuff Said!









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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: CvilleWakandan on July 19, 2021, 02:17:56 am
It's a variant of Kang. The others will be coming over the future projects. This Kang is closer two other TVA characters one being a variant of him in the comics.

The cosplay outfit is a running theme across the MCU.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on July 20, 2021, 09:16:44 am
I haven't had much of an issue with MCU costumes for the most part. I think the movie costumes generally are quite good. And for the most part, I'm okay with the television costuming, even if some of it is too muted, like Daredevil or limited by imagination or budget like the Inhumans and Deathlok on Agents of Shield. I've been impressed with how much money they put into these Disney Plus series and it looked to me like Loki had the biggest budget of them all so far.

As for Loki, if I hadn't known there was a second season before looking at the first season finale I would have a harsher opinion of the finale. It spent a lot of time introducing Jonathan Majors' character and setting up his backstory. I wasn't expecting them to actually have Majors in the series at all, because I was thinking that Feige would want to wait to introduce him on the big screen. However, with the idea of this Kang being a variant it gives them a lot of leeway to introduce various versions of the character in other movies or series.

To be honest, I wasn't that impressed with Majors in the finale, similarly to how I felt about JLD in Falcon & Winter Soldier. It was a subversion of expectations to have this variant, who was unthreatening and a bit goofy, be the 'big bad', and while that might work for some, it didn't for me.

I've seen a fan theory that the person behind the TVA should've been another Loki and I would've been fine with that, or even Gugu Mbatha-Raw's character, and they hold off on Kang until later.

As for the season itself, it started intriguing but bogged down in the middle, not unlike the other Disney Plus series, though F/WS rebounded the quickest and the best, then Loki, while WandaVision fell off a cliff. The planet with all the Lokis didn't turn out to be as fun as it had to look on paper. A lot of the season also rode on how you feel about Sylvie and I was just okay with her. I didn't hate the character, but I didn't love her either. Her reveal was a bit underwhelming because I was expecting more of a name actress, someone like Vanessa Kirby (Mission Impossible, Hobbs & Shaw, etc.). Also the weird, almost incestuous kind of relationship between Loki and Sylvie didn't work for me. And I felt the series too quickly turned this Loki from villain to anti-hero to genuine hero and I wish they had kept some of his edge, some of his ambiguity.

Right now, I'm not as thrilled with Kang as I was with that end credit scene for Avengers. The good thing is we might get to see Majors doing various versions and perhaps when the 'real' Kang shows up he'll have that menace I'm looking for.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Gessela on July 20, 2021, 11:09:36 am
I dug Majors’ take on ‘He Who Remains’. For me he embodied a man ravished by the weight of knowledge and time.
I liked the nod to the ‘Immortus’ costume, and I look forward to Majors’ other iterations of Nathaniel Richards, especially ‘Kang the Conquer’.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Ture on July 21, 2021, 11:33:16 pm
I dug Majors’ take on ‘He Who Remains’. For me he embodied a man ravished by the weight of knowledge and time.
I liked the nod to the ‘Immortus’ costume, and I look forward to Majors’ other iterations of Nathaniel Richards, especially ‘Kang the Conquer’.

That's a good way to see it Gessela . I felt it was reminiscent of the big reveal that the Wiz was Richard Pryor. As for Majors I think he can deliver given a strong script and playing a serious and deadly Kang the Conqueror.








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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on July 22, 2021, 02:19:55 pm
Great analogy brother [/b]Ture[/b]! No doubt Wizard of Oz inspired, but with Dorothy-Loki treating Majors like the wicked witch rather than the charlatan Wizard who might have gotten her home. ???

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Ture on July 22, 2021, 10:40:32 pm
I saw what you did there Brother Mont. That's right.

My thing is Loki should have been serious or at least more so. The series should have visualized cosmic awe and exotic never before seen alien tech instead of a failed disquisition on rudimentary human bureaucracy. I would have preferred to see Loki powers and manipulation on full display. I would have really appreciated an in character Kang.






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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Loki's Kang... a Black Panther refresher!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on July 25, 2021, 05:24:48 pm
Agreed Brother Ture I found Loki mostly disappointing especially in the wake of WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Loki seemed more like a joke than a credible nemesis and the whole Kang reveal, despite Majors’ performance, was mind-numbingly anti-climactic.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - starring the Black Panther and friends!
Post by: Ture on August 02, 2021, 03:32:35 pm
Marvel’s ‘What If…?’: The Reason Chadwick Boseman Agreed to Play Black Panther One Last Time
By Fred Topel

The death of Chadwick Boseman in 2020 shook the world. The Marvel hero had kept his battle with colon cancer private, so his death at 43 seemed all the more sudden. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever had to move forward without him, but Boseman was able to play T’Challa one last time. Marvel’s What If…? features Boseman’s voice and an animated T’Challa. What If…? director Bryan Andrews spoke at a Zoom press conference on Aug. 1. The second episode of the Disney+ animated series features Boseman. Marvel’s What If…? premieres Aug. 11 and premieres new episodes every Wednesday. 

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Marvel’s ‘What If…?’ features a very different Chadwick Boseman

In What If…?, The Watcher (voice of Jeffrey Wright) tells stories about Marvel heroes in alternate timelines. So Boseman’s episode proposes what if T’Challa did not become Black Panther?

“He was excited to play this particular version of T’Challa because it was different,” Andrews said. “It was a version of him being able to play the king, but the king without the mantle, without the mantle of royalty and all the other things that go with it. Completely different spin. He could lighten it up, he could get a little bit more jokey with it and stuff. He was excited to bring that flavor to T’Challa and give it to the audience so we can see a slightly different version of T’Challa.”

The Watcher himself approves Chadwick Boseman’s last Marvel episode

Wright was also on the Zoom press conference for What If…? He felt Boseman’s episode was consistent with his portrayal of T’Challa, even if he’s not Black Panther in the episode.

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“These are films about heroism and all the complications of that,” Wright said. “What we all discovered was that the kind of mythic quality that he brought to these performances kind of paled in some way to the mythic quality that was his life in terms of the way that he was going about doing this work, the grace, the dignity, the power. So I’m really pleased to share a little bit of time with him on this.”

‘What If….?’ had precious material to deliver

Animation work on What If… ? continued after Boseman’s death. Andrews said he felt the pressure to make sure Boseman’s last performance was a worthwhile legacy.

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“Work on the show to finalize it in post-production, we’re doing the score and the music,” Andrews said. “He had already passed since then so now we’ve got to make sure nothing goes wrong with these episodes because it’s his last. So even down to the music and everything and making sure everything in it can honor what he brought to the table, honor the character but also honor Chadwick as well.”

Andrews got a little choked up just talking about it at the What If…? press conference.

“It would get emotional at times,” Andrews said. “We’ve got to make sure this music that plays out at the end has got to represent this, that. It means so much to us. Just having the meetings just what would be a normal work meeting, notes on this, notes on that would become emotional because it mattered more. I’m on the verge of being emotional now. It’s still rough.”


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - Different versions of T'Challa to appear!
Post by: Ture on August 04, 2021, 09:11:47 am
Marvel's What If...?: Different Versions of T'Challa Will Appear in Four Episodes
T'challa in What If...? is Chadwick Boseman's final performance.
By Wesley LeBlanc

Chadwick Boseman's T'Challa will appear in four episodes of Marvel's What If...? animated series.

During a junket for the upcoming Marvel series, IGN sat down with What If...? executive producer, Brad Winderbaum, to talk about the show. When asked about Boseman and his work in the series, Winderbaum said the late actor was very excited about it before revealing T'Challa will be in four episodes.

"Unfortunately, he never was able to see the finished product, but he was very excited about taking part in it," Winderbaum told IGN. "He actually appears in four episodes of the series, playing different versions of the character, and each time, he was just so enthusiastic about finding a new spin on the character."

Winderbaum said Boseman was a craftsman and that the opportunity to play these different spins on T'Challa harkened back to what inspired him to become an actor in the first place. He also said working with Boseman was a privilege.

This is just one new interesting tidbit IGN learned about Marvel's What If...? during a recent press junket. What If...? director Bryan Andrews told IGN that the series will show the roguish and flirty side of Boseman's T'Challa.
 
What If…? is based on the monthly comic book series of the same name created by Roy Thomas in the 1970s. Uatu, the Watcher, presents stories from other universes and timelines that show the path some of your favorite characters could have taken. But not all of them have a happy ending.

Roy Thomas was both writer, editor, and creator of What If…? Its first issue was released in 1977. In the back matter of What If…? #1, Thomas wrote that he didn’t want these Marvel tales labeled as imaginary; they were real, just not in the Earth-616 universe we know.
 
“I decided that my series could become, hopefully, main (if not only) place in Marvel for a while where such parallel-world stories would take place,” Thomas said. “And, to make the series palatable as much to myself as anyone else, I would have the wondrous Watcher narrate the stories. This way, as you already know, these stories are ones which actually do take place—not in our dimension or time continuum, but in worlds coexisting alongside ours.”

Early issues began with questions like, what if Spider-Man accepted the Fantastic Four’s offer in Amazing Spider-Man #1 to join their team? Or what if Bruce Banner retained his intellect as the Hulk from the get-go? The first series of intriguing tales of alternate Earths each started with a mysterious figure on the moon narrating the story, showing first how it originally happened in the pages of Marvel Comics, and then how it happened on another Earth.

While many stories started out as pondering what might have been, more than a few became reality in later years. From Spider-Man joining the Fantastic Four, to Jane Foster becoming Thor (or “Thordis” as she was called in issue #10), to Bucky surviving World War II, to the creation of Mayday “Spider-Girl” Parker in issue #105, some of the ideas proved so intriguing that they were explored further in Marvel Comics.

What If…? took Marvel’s biggest heroes through space and time, including a version of Captain America that lived during the Civil War and a Daredevil in feudal Japan. Heroes often became villains and villains became heroes, superpowers were switched among teammates, and important characters like Gwen Stacy and Karen Page escaped death in these fascinating issues. Outcomes of these changes were more often bad than good; Spider-Man found the support he needed in the Fantastic Four, for example, but his presence made Invisible Woman decide to leave the team.
 
What If…? would eventually go on for 13 volumes over the years, and more recent stories focused on specific turning points in blockbuster crossover events like Civil War, Infinity, and Avengers vs. X-Men.

We also learned that a What If...? storyline was rejected because it's already half the plot of Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 and that the entire series is officially made up of canon MCU stories. During a What If...? press conference, a Marvel producer revealed that Peggy Carter's Captain Britain will appear in every season of the show and that she's the "driving force" behind the series.

We'll see Boseman's T'Challa soon when Marvel's What If...? begins on Disney Plus on August 11. While waiting for the series to hit the streaming service, check out the latest teaser and then read about how Marvel's What If...? will tell the tales that never happened in the MCU.

https://www.ign.com/articles/marvel-what-if-tchalla-four-episodes-black-panther-chadwick-boseman (https://www.ign.com/articles/marvel-what-if-tchalla-four-episodes-black-panther-chadwick-boseman)

AND THIS ARTICLE... (with pictures)

Chadwick Boseman Voiced Four Different Versions of T'Challa in 'Marvel's What If...?'
BY MARCO VITO ODDO

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What If...? executive producer Brad Winderbaum revealed Chadwick Boseman's T'Challa will appear in four different episodes of Disney+’s MCU Multiverse animated series. Speaking to IGN, Winderbaum also told the late actor was excited to play different versions of T’Challa, although Boseman never did get the chance to “see the finished product”.

What If...? will be the last time we will see get to see Black Panther portraited by Boseman, and the first time since the actor’s premature death. Disney around confirmed they don’t intend to recast the part, with future MCU productions dealing with Wakanda’s King absence in different ways. However, before passing away, Boseman had already recorded the lines for T’Challa’s on What If…?, giving fans a posthumous appearance that’ll also be a bittersweet goodbye.

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We’ve known for a while that one of What If…?’ episodes transform T'Challa into Star-Lord, as he gets kidnapped by Yondu in the place of Peter Quill. However, this is not the only T’Challa Variant we’ll get to see on What If…?, as Winderbaum reveals Boseman recorded the voice for four different versions of the character. In Winderbaum’s words:

"He [Boseman] actually appears in four episodes of the series, playing different versions of the character, and each time, he was just so enthusiastic about finding a new spin on the character."

Since Loki unleashed alternate MCU timelines, What If..? will deal with alternate versions of the MCU where everything is possible. The series will also make Peggy Carter the Captain after taking the supersoldier serum, and show Spider-Man hunting zombies while wearing Doctor Strange’s Cloak of Levitation.

All these events will be considered canon to the MCU, which is setting the table to explore the multiverse in upcoming theater releases such as Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.

What If...?’s nine episodes will debut on Disney+ weekly every Wednesday, starting on August 11.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - Variant T'challas vs Zombie Avengers?!?
Post by: Ture on August 07, 2021, 09:57:43 pm
Marvel's What If...? Poster Shows a World Ravaged by Zombie Avengers
In the latest poster for Marvel's What If...?, an undead Iron Man and Captain America lead a zombie apocalypse through the streets of New York.
BY MIRA JACOBS

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The latest poster for Marvel's upcoming Disney+ series What If...? imagines a zombie apocalypse, to which even the Avengers have fallen.

Marvel Studios' official Twitter shared the image, with credit and a link to its artist, Chris Christodoulou. "Get ready," the tweet reads. "Here's the next piece in a series of posters inspired by Marvel Studios' [What If...?]. The Original Series starts streaming August 11 on Disney Plus." RELATED: Why Marvel's What If...? Won't Introduce Any New Characters to the MCU

The alternate universe shown in the art is a bleak one, with New York City decimated and deserted aside from a horde of zombies lurking in the darkness. A broken version of the Avengers logo dominates the scene, and on one side of it, there's a zombie clearly recognizable as an undead Captain America. On the other side, Iron Man stands in his classic pose with arm outstretched, but his missing mask shows that he too is undead.

What If...? is an anthology show which will focus on different hypothetical scenarios in the Marvel Cinematic Universe with each episode. The new poster represents an episode inspired by Marvel Zombies, a limited comic series consisting of five issues, written by The Walking Dead creator Robert Kirkman with art by Sean Phillips and cover art by Arthur Suydam. Published between 2005 and 2006, the narrative is set in an alternate universe depicting a virus that has infected superheroes. The idea originally came from a crossover event in Ultimate Fantastic Four, in which Reed Richards is tricked into opening a portal to the undead universe by his zombie variant.

What If...? head writer A.C. Bradley has said that this episode will be the one that sticks closest to the source comics, explaining that the main source of inspiration for this one was the comics because "it is so good," instead of leaning on past films in the MCU.

Based on Marvel's comic of the same name, What If...? will explore deeper into the multiverse that was hinted at in the title of the upcoming film Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and explained more fully in the Disney+ series Loki. Many actors are returning from their various roles across the MCU to lend their talents to the project with dozens of new voices joining up as well. Created by A.C. Bradley, What If...? premieres Aug. 11 on Disney+. New episodes will air Wednesdays.


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COMING SOON!

Ya'll remember Robert Walking Dead Kirkman and his iterations of the Black Panther.

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Less we forget his 2099 version of the Black Panther.

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Don't get happy, you know any victory is a flawed victory.

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Let us hope they find their inspiration elsewhere. Nuff said.







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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - 1st episode done, 1 Week for T'challa's Debut
Post by: Ture on August 11, 2021, 09:32:55 am
‘What If…?’ Writer and Director on Their Last Call with Chadwick Boseman and a Captain Carter Movie
A.C. Bradley and Bryan Andrews pull back the curtain on Marvel Studios' first animated series, which features Boseman's final work in the MCU.

BY BRIAN DAVIDS

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In the second episode of Marvel Studios’ first animated series, What If…?, the late Chadwick Boseman reprises his role as T’Challa in a whole new galaxy. Written by A.C. Bradley and directed by Bryan Andrews, What If…? examines the events of the Marvel Cinematic Universe had one choice or moment gone differently, and in Boseman’s showcase episode, Yondu (Michael Rooker) mistakenly abducts T’Challa instead of Peter Quill. Recognizing that both characters were nearly the same age, Bradley and her writers’ room felt that Yondu’s blunder would make for the perfect jumping-off point to explore what T’Challa’s version of Star-Lord would look like in outer space.

“[Chadwick] really enjoyed the idea of being able to play this slightly different version of T’Challa,” Andrews tells The Hollywood Reporter. “The events are so extremely different, but the galaxy doesn’t change T’Challa; T’Challa changes the galaxy. There are a few more times where he pops up briefly in a couple other episodes, so we were able to record with him a little bit during the pandemic. Those records were over Zoom calls, and in the last record, when we were done, I, selfishly, was able to tell him how much I personally thought of him… He touched his heart and he was very thankful, but we had no idea he was going through what he was going through.”

Bradley also reflects on her own memories of working with Boseman, who died of colon cancer in August 2020.

“I have the sad honor of writing some of his last lines in the MCU. I obviously did not know that when I was writing them,” Bradley recalls. “Chadwick Boseman understood the importance of Black Panther. He understood how important it is that young people see a Black man standing shoulder to shoulder with Captain America and Thor Odinson, so that they know a Black man saves the world just the same as anyone else. He came in to record, and I joked that he didn’t bring his A-game; he brought every damn sport there is. He made sure that this was going to be the episode that shined, but we did not realize why. And the world is a little sadder for it. “

What If…?‘s series premiere imagines what the MCU would’ve been like had Hayley Atwell‘s Peggy Carter taken Dr. Erskine’s (Stanley Tucci) Super Soldier Serum instead of Steve Rogers. The outcome yields “Captain Carter,” who will anchor each season of the series. However, Bradley and Andrews hope that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

“I know A.C. and I feel totally the same in this, and while we don’t know if this is necessarily going to happen, it would be amazing if they would just do a Captain Carter movie,” Andrews admits. “Just get Hayley Atwell in the suit, give her her own franchise and just have her blow doors like hells to the yeah.”

In a recent conversation with THR, Bradley also shares a powerful yet personal story about her time working with Marvel Studios on What If…? Andrews then looks back at the Iron Man storyboards that changed his life and career.

The premise of What If…? is quite relatable since we’ve all wondered how our lives would’ve turned out had a key moment or choice gone differently. In terms of the events that led you both to Marvel Studios, is there a particular moment or turning point that’s made you ponder the “what if?” question?

A.C. Bradley: Ooh, pondering the great “what if?” question. I was talking to Bryan about this not long ago, but the pandemic changed everything for a lot of people. It changed our entire business. It made us question our own mortality. This is a little personal, but early on during the pandemic, when we were all at home writing, I found out that I was borderline infertile. My doctor was like, “If you’re going to have kids, you do it right now or you don’t do it at all.” And I had this sliding doors moment, this death-bed moment. “Where am I going to be in 50 years? Where do I want to be?” And by coincidence, I was on the phone, first with Danielle Costa, and then with Victoria Alonso, in the same week. We were on Zooms and on the phone, and these are both women I admire, who, along with Kevin, are architects of the MCU. And in the background, because we’re all at home, were their kids. So these are women who are also moms. I was like, “Why am I so scared to take this leap? How can I write about Peggy Carter taking the serum and jumping into battle, when I’m terrified of being a mom? What am I scared of?” So I took the leap, and by some miracle, I now have a 4-month-old daughter. So I kind of have to thank Marvel and the pandemic for forcing that decision for me. It made me consider the “what if?” in my life. “What if I do this? What if I don’t?” And I think that’s the power of the What If…? comics and hopefully the show. It’s an examination of these different moments and choices in our lives and in these characters’ lives, and where it leads them and what compels them. The reason the MCU has been so popular the last 10 years isn’t just because of the action sequences, the explosions, the thrills and the chills; it’s the human connection. We see ourselves in these characters, and we see ourselves in their triumphs and losses.

Bryan, that’s an extremely tough act to follow.

Bryan Andrews: (Laughs.) My answer is not even remotely as meaningful or as cool. There are so many things that could’ve gone differently, but when it comes to meeting up with Marvel initially, it stems out of working with Genndy Tartakovsky, whether it was Samurai Jack, Sym-Bionic Titan or the original animated Star Wars: Clone Wars. Jon Favreau was a fan, and Jon wanted to work with Genndy. So they had lunch, and Jon was like, “We gotta do something.” So Jon was doing Iron Man, and we actually helped an FX house get a job to do effects on Iron Man. So we inadvertently did some boards that ended up in the movie. They liked the tests so much and they liked the gag we did so much. It was the whole bit where the tank shoots Iron Man out of the sky, and he lands, gets out of the hole, fires the rocket and turns around. They were like, “That was cool!” and we were like, “You’re welcome!” And then they were like. “Hey, you guys wanna work on Iron Man 2?” And we were like, “Yes!” So we did that, and the next thing you know, Kevin and Jeremy Latcham are saying, “Hey man, you wanna work on The Avengers?” And I’m like, “Yes!” So they just kept asking me back. And then I got a call from Brad [Winderbaum], saying, “Hey man, you wanna work on something cool? [What If…?]” So if I hadn’t done certain things in my career, at a certain time, then maybe I wouldn’t have been put in a particular position where these other things could come. So there are lots of what-ifs out there.

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Chadwick Boseman’s Star-Lord episode is really special. Can you take me through your individual vantage points in regard to working with him?

Bradley: I have the sad honor of writing some of his last lines in the MCU. I obviously did not know that when I was writing them. What impressed me most about Chadwick Boseman is that all the Marvel actors care about their characters. They’ve been playing these roles for a long time in multiple movies and now TV shows. So they know who these characters are and why they tick. Chadwick Boseman understood the importance of Black Panther. He understood how important it is that young people see a Black man standing shoulder to shoulder with Captain America and Thor Odinson, so that they know a Black man saves the world just the same as anyone else. He came in to record, and I joked that he didn’t bring his A-game; he brought every damn sport there is. He made sure that this was going to be the episode that shined, but we did not realize why. And the world is a little sadder for it.

Andrews: It was so exciting to have him part of the process. We wanted to do something with Chadwick and Black Panther, because we love the character. I had a Black Panther comic when I was a little kid, so the character meant something to me even back then. But also Chadwick, the actor, the performer, the man, he’s so amazing. And he signed on pretty early; he was like, “Yeah, this sounds cool. I want to do this.” And we were like, “Oh my God, really? That’s great!” So he really enjoyed the idea of being able to play this slightly different version of T’Challa. The events are so extremely different, but the galaxy doesn’t change T’Challa; T’Challa changes the galaxy. So that was what was really exciting. That was a really great point we were trying to pursue, and I think Chadwick understood that and he wanted to go for that as well. So that was awesome. There are a few more times where he pops up briefly in a couple other episodes, so we were able to record with him a little bit during the pandemic. Those records were over Zoom calls, and in the last record, when we were done, I, selfishly, was able to tell him how much I personally thought of him and how great it was to work with him and how much we all appreciate him and his work. He touched his heart and he was very thankful, but we had no idea he was going through what he was going through. So it was nice to be able to express our gratitude, and he at least knew that we were insanely thankful for what he was bringing to the project and how important we thought it was. And I think he felt that, too.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa's Debut Just Hours Away!
Post by: CvilleWakandan on August 18, 2021, 01:13:59 am
I liked the episode. So far What if is 2 for 2. They need to keep this production crew for their future animation projects.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Mad Coco G on August 18, 2021, 09:10:06 am
As someone who really loves cosmic adventure stories and BP I had high hopes for this episode and it completely obliterated said expectations, it legit made me mad that we not only lost Chadwick but that this won’t get it’s own spinoff cause it’s that good.

Karen Gillan’s Nebula voice will stay undefeated in its hotness
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Ture on August 18, 2021, 02:01:50 pm
S P O I L E R S !!! S P O I L E R S !!!




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What If T'Challa became Star-Lord was an alternate universe I wouldn't have chosen as I would have thought to do something more insular like what if T'Chaka was killed by Thanos in his quest to build the Infinity Gauntlet because vibranium is the only substance capable of protection from and neutralization of the infinity stones but we're in the MCU so we don't go there.

After my first viewing of What If T'Challa became Star- Lord... let's just start with the fact that this was very well done and most enjoyable.

They captured the nuances of the traditional Black Panther and gave voice to a variant I would like to see more of. Man, Chadwick, Chadwick, Chadwick. What a Black Panther, truly he was and is T'Challa and will forever remain the first live action and perhaps the most pertinent T'Challa the Black Panther and any variant Black Panther for a very long time.

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You know what else this says... it states just how important and necessary T'Challa the Black Panther is in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is in fact. Wakanda Forever better deliver one hell of a variant T'Challa the Black Panther. For those not totally inclined this is the art of recasting without recasting.

From Civil War to Black Panther on to Infinity War and Endgame, throw in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier and now What If,
I have to say that MCU Black Panther and his supporting staff to date have come off in a manner I can appreciate.

First viewing of What If T'Challa became Star-Lord and I am hit by the voice acting. Marvel was on the money getting as many as possible actors and actresses to voice their characters. Hearing Chadwick Boseman and Djimon Hounsou, two of the first original Black Panthers conversing was historic. Michael Rooker was spot on. Josh Brolin delivered an excellent variant of Thanos as did Karen Gillan with Nebula. I cannot leave out Benicio del Toro who so complemented as the big bad. Marvel even got John Kani to voice T’Chaka, Danai Gurira to do Okoye!

It was refreshing seeing these characters interact with one another even if they were variants. That's the one thing we did not get enough of was T'Challa interacting with the rest of the MCU. What worked for this episode was the avoidance of subsuming Black Panther mythos into Guardian of the Galaxy lore. By maintaining their distinction they successfully complemented one another. Great art is in the details.

Speaking of details the two thrones (king and queen) visible when King T'Chaka and young T'Challa begin talking. The traditional Wakandan music when T'Challa accidentally discovered a Wakandan royal Talon fighter (and because the What If multiverse is cannon, Wakandan royal Talon fighters are capable of space travel). The war chant used during Okoye's casino fight is now used during T'Challa's battle with the Collector. The family reunion at the end, the beauty of Wakanda and a dedication to Chadwick Boseman. Great art is indeed in the details.

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First barb. Now personally they could have left out the T'Challa's folk hero Robin Hood reference. That was just as bad as his father's movie Back to the Future referral, even worst since this T'Challa had yet to see the outside world. Last barb, I would have preferred T'Challa saving himself and single handedly and creatively defeating Ebony Maw.

All in all a good start for variant T'Challa and Wakanda. Looking forward to what comes next. Make mine Marvel, nuff said.









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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Ezyo on August 19, 2021, 01:40:38 pm
I like how we see T'Challas super prep with the plans upon plans being 2 step's ahead of his enemies and 3 step's ahead of his friends. I still would of liked to see his super genius in action. I am still annoyed it's been so ambiguous. But I felt a great Sense of happiness all throughout the episode... Then sad at the end, a feeling that this may be the last of T'Challa through the what ifs. And anger at Marvel for so stupidly announcing they won't recast so soon after his passing
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: supreme illuminati on August 19, 2021, 03:17:12 pm
I like how we see T'Challas super prep with the plans upon plans being 2 step's ahead of his enemies and 3 step's ahead of his friends. I still would of liked to see his super genius in action. I am still annoyed it's been so ambiguous. But I felt a great Sense of happiness all throughout the episode... Then sad at the end, a feeling that this may be the last of T'Challa through the what ifs. And anger at Marvel for so stupidly announcing they won't recast so soon after his passing


All of this up in here^^^
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Mad Coco G on August 21, 2021, 01:11:43 am
The Robin Hood reference made sense given it is what he is to the cosmos and he was basically the heroic swashbuckler archetype, it’s the flip side of the Han Solo type scoundrel that Quill modeled himself after
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Ture on August 21, 2021, 10:29:31 am
The Robin Hood reference made sense given it is what he is to the cosmos and he was basically the heroic swashbuckler archetype, it’s the flip side of the Han Solo type scoundrel that Quill modeled himself after


It made sense given that we the audience know the reference but in-story why would T'Challa use that particular character. Waknda is steeped in isolationism for two primary reasons, one, the protection of their resources and culture and two, the west and the rest of the world behaving immaturely. Thus it stands to reason they would have a very defined and discerning interest in the world around them.

It is a misstep for T'Challa (particularly a young T'Challa) having grown up in Wakanda to use Robin Hood as a reference. It is the folly of the writers centering on their own experiences and thus injecting their mores into the story rather than creating a narrative consistent with the cultural path that is unique to Wakanda. This is not to say Wakandans wouldn't use references not their own but instead use those more synced with their cultural sensibilities.

McGregor, while being guilty of the aforementioned folly, had the insight to have T'Challa himself reflect on such concerns.

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We shouldn't see rape camps, crack or opioids use, gun violence, kids smoking weed or tagging up walls, barber shop culture, fast food franchises, social media junkies, traffic jams, strip mining, use of combustibles or watching westerns in Avengers mansion. Any analogies  to such should demonstrate unique Wakandan cultural expressions and how Wakandans avoided the pitfalls of the west and the rest of the world. That would be true world building and the Black Panther's world building must centered, as creatively possible, in an  unfettered and uninfluenced Afrakan culture.



A step in the right direction, Wakandans having their own hairstyles.

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A cool looking misstep. As an unfettered Afrakan T'Challa should be seen wearing some traditional Afrakan clothing...

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Asians were doing so during that time.

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So were Native Americans and Mexicans so why not Wakandans?

Black Panther's solo film really delivered on all those fronts. That why it was a masterpiece.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Mad Coco G on August 21, 2021, 02:58:37 pm
Again it’s not a misstep, just because they’re isolationist doesn’t mean they’re not keeping an eye out on what’s going on in the world and it’s known that the king has gone outside of the borders and like any dignitary would bring something back to show the rest of the team back home. Young T’Challa was may have been flipping channels on the satellite and may have come across Robin Hood Men In Tights, who knows but we do know that mixed in with that and his desire to explore beyond Wakanda. Which helped shape this T’Challa who after being told that Wakanda was destroyed he didn’t want anyone else to go through the loss he was going through hence the bringing families together and finding ways to save planets.

Except this T’Challa didn’t grow up in Wakanda he grew up in space so he kept the few things he learned from T’Chaka and mixed it with other things he admired as a pre-teen/teen kid, all he had physically left of Wakanda was literally his Panther chain. Which as he thought he was the last Wakandan alive that even The Collector thought as well he talked down Thanos, saved countless lives, was still a master strategist, was still humble and tried to get Thanos and Nebula into counseling while also clapping them blue cheeks.

Hell this T’Challa did more in thirty odd minutes than comic runs by McGregor/Thomas/Coates and wasn’t a sad sack or punching bag
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: CvilleWakandan on August 22, 2021, 12:34:57 pm
I'd add that the necessity of a Robin Hood type figure would not have any parallel within WK as the people in charge seek to benefit everyone.

Tchalla has to use a reference from outside his Kingdom to make an example.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF - T'challa became Star Lord!
Post by: Kimoyo on August 22, 2021, 06:22:08 pm
I'd add that the necessity of a Robin Hood type figure would not have any parallel within WK as the people in charge seek to benefit everyone.

Tchalla has to use a reference from outside his Kingdom to make an example.

Agreed and why I had no problem with the reference. In a way, the isolationist/xenophobic Wakanda of T’Challa’s youth was a nation with external vigilance akin to Uatu the Watcher. I’m reminded of Captain America’s surprise when Reg’s T’Chaka referred to him as Steve Rogers in WITBP. Clearly, the royal family at least has comprehensive knowledge of foreign events and colloquialisms.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF... T'Challa in the Zombie Apocalypse!
Post by: Ture on September 08, 2021, 06:14:42 pm
S P O I L E R S ! ! !


WHAT IF... ZOMBIES!

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They was a very good episode for me and it may surpass my appreciation of the Star Lord episode. Yea I think it does just because it registered as more serious and impactful. First off we got a variant our T'Challa, plus Okoye; not to mention that Wakanda was the last human sanctuary on earth... at least for awhile.

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Secondly they did a good job of setting the apocalypse during a combo of Civil and Infinity Wars. Thirdly they did a damn good job having all the players behaving in character. Hope and the rest of the Pym family showed just how lethal they can be. The heel turn of Vision was... just cool. Cap and Sharon... poetic. The death of characters was done with action and empathy. The scary incidental music was so apropos.

I think this episode may have a continuation due to it last scene...

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but if not What If... has done two respectable episodes with T'Challa the Black Panther. While it is bitter/sweet to hear Chadwick's voice, his presence only emphasizes just how relevant and necessary it is for Marvel to realize just how important it is to have T'Challa the Black Panther represented in the MCU.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ WHAT IF *** NEW *** T'Challa in the Zombie Apocalypse!
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 15, 2021, 04:22:02 pm
This weeks episode was a solid Killmonger "What If".

This would make a good mini-series.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ture on September 15, 2021, 08:24:44 pm
This was the best What If... episode to date, despite the fact they did the unimaginable. Going to watch it again, type later.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ture on September 17, 2021, 01:24:52 pm
Let us ponder the question,
WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
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Overall the episodes with T'Challa have been the best to watch thus far. There is so much of his world to flesh out that one cannot help delving into a story inclusive of the Black Panther. Another plus is the MCU Black Panther maintains a level of consistency in appearance and aesthetic.

While this episode did a good job of exploring a variant Killmonger it did us a disservice when it came to T'Challa.

What If... has certainly taken a darker tone over the past three episodes, I guess in an attempt to add a certain gravitas. For Dr Strange and the Marvel Zombie apocalypse episodes it works. For Black Panther in the Killmonger episode not so much so. The surrealism of T'Challa's death and funeral especially if it is a precursor for Wakanda Forever is something the audience and fans of T'Challa the Black Panther need not see on the big screen.

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This week we had a double dose of Black Panther with the What If... episode and Last Annihilation comic both debuting on Wednesday. These two venues also shared the now prevalent penchant of minimizing the potential T'Challa could have expressed if he were allowed to actualize his potential.

This episode would have been 100 times greater if T'Challa were playing a chess match with Killmonger. Each player plotting and strategizing how to out maneuver the other. Instead we get a lopsided, nonsensical victory for Killmonger via a Stark sonic taser resulting in the death of the Black Panther. This was done insultingly poor. T'Challa with his heightened senses didn't hear or even smell Killmonger approaching. When he and Rhodes are being fired upon he couldn't leap away or throw a disorientating Kimoyo flash grenade. No instead he winces around in pain and even removes his protective helmet. What sense did that make? How does a sonic taser even work on the panther habit T'Challa designed?
 
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They stay with giving Wakanda the worst battle strategies imaginable. Turn of you defensive force field and let an army of battle droids walk right into your city. Makes sense cause Killmonger said so. Whole nation of advanced scientist and warriors and this is the best tactic to employ. Tell me again how Wakanda remained unconquered for ten thousand years.

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Queen Ramonda got off. There must be a significant age gap between her and T'Chaka, who did not look fit for battle at all. Killmonger's plan works out and he even becomes the new Black Panther. Now if you want to be impressive, ponder the question what if Kill-Panther went to war with the world and won? Just saying. Shuri figures out the plot too late and instead of us seeing her discussing matters with King T'Chaka, Queen Ramonda and Okoye we get her meeting with Pepper. Really?

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Seeing T'Challa in the ancestral realm as a resident and not a visitor was again surreal. What is being missed by those responsible for the Black Panther franchise is the fact that the more they minimize T'Challa's role, the greater the demonstration of how much they need him to fulfill such. 







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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ezyo on September 17, 2021, 06:33:28 pm
Yeah I didn't like the what if episode, it filled me with anger disgust and sadness. And the worst thing is that I feel it's a premonition for exactly how I can see Wakanda forever going about showing T'Challas death. To me, the scene with T'Challas casket was more disrespectful to everything Chad did that a Recast ever would especially because the MCU Has been making T'Challas legacy being that he has died more than any other hero combined.

The fact he is so easily dispatched, as well as Wakandas showing, while this was indeed Priests kilmonger, more and more the BP franchise is being used as a stepping stool. Sane was done for the zombie episode too.

I don't like how the MCU had treated T'Challa at all
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: BlackClaw on September 18, 2021, 04:20:39 am
Yeah I didn't like the what if episode, it filled me with anger disgust and sadness. And the worst thing is that I feel it's a premonition for exactly how I can see Wakanda forever going about showing T'Challas death. To me, the scene with T'Challas casket was more disrespectful to everything Chad did that a Recast ever would especially because the MCU Has been making T'Challas legacy being that he has died more than any other hero combined.

The fact he is so easily dispatched, as well as Wakandas showing, while this was indeed Priests kilmonger, more and more the BP franchise is being used as a stepping stool. Sane was done for the zombie episode too.

I don't like how the MCU had treated T'Challa at all


TBF What if was completed before Chadwick passed. But it didn’t make it sting any less. At this point we all need to campaign for a variant of T’Challa to come to the main universe. It’s better than having no T’Challa and maybe the new one can build up a better legacy that the one of constant disrespect Boseman’s T’Challa is unfortunately leaving behind.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ture on September 18, 2021, 07:32:09 am
Recasting T'Challa is the way to go particularly if Marvel wants the BP franchise to maintain its fan base and remain a cash cow. Killing T'Challa is not only unnecessary but it would be in very poor taste. The variant concept is a dirty quick fix and better than nothing option. However it remains cumbersome as it gives us another T'Challa but only after having to witness the sacrifice of the original. If recasting T'Challa is a Coogler based decision then simply state that T'Challa is lost in space and believed dead. This way you can have the funeral and passing of the mantle and a good send off for Coogler. The end credits reveal T'Challa (in full costume so not reveal the identity of the new actor) being found by the Fantastic Four.







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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ezyo on September 18, 2021, 10:14:02 am
Yeah I didn't like the what if episode, it filled me with anger disgust and sadness. And the worst thing is that I feel it's a premonition for exactly how I can see Wakanda forever going about showing T'Challas death. To me, the scene with T'Challas casket was more disrespectful to everything Chad did that a Recast ever would especially because the MCU Has been making T'Challas legacy being that he has died more than any other hero combined.

The fact he is so easily dispatched, as well as Wakandas showing, while this was indeed Priests kilmonger, more and more the BP franchise is being used as a stepping stool. Sane was done for the zombie episode too.

I don't like how the MCU had treated T'Challa at all


TBF What if was completed before Chadwick passed. But it didn’t make it sting any less. At this point we all need to campaign for a variant of T’Challa to come to the main universe. It’s better than having no T’Challa and maybe the new one can build up a better legacy that the one of constant disrespect Boseman’s T’Challa is unfortunately leaving behind.

It was, HOWEVER, they already knew so far in T'Challas debut into the MCU he has already "Died" onscreen twice before what if even dropped, that was already more times than any other hero. So even if Chad was still around, yes it would not of been as bad, but it still sets a bad precedent that T'Challa dies alot in the MCU.

Even variant T'Challa doesn't make up for the fact that for a the "honoring" and remembering Chad and his dedication to T'Challa, T'Chadwicks version has been one that kept constantly dying. That's so disrespectful
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 18, 2021, 10:28:40 am
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: BlackClaw on September 18, 2021, 11:13:30 am
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.

There was his near death experience in his solo, plus getting dusted by Thanos. And I know some of y’all are apprehensive about a variant, but the way I see it if T’Challa has an unambiguous death in the sequel then a variant is simply the most realistic way he can be recast.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 18, 2021, 11:28:00 am
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.

There was his near death experience in his solo, plus getting dusted by Thanos. And I know some of y’all are apprehensive about a variant, but the way I see it if T’Challa has an unambiguous death in the sequel then a variant is simply the most realistic way he can be recast.

Near death isnt death. All the heroes have been near death. And being dusted along with half the universe is hardly something to be concerned about.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ezyo on September 18, 2021, 03:34:16 pm
When did he die before? This What if is the only time he's actually died. He even survived the zombie apocalypse.

There was his near death experience in his solo, plus getting dusted by Thanos. And I know some of y’all are apprehensive about a variant, but the way I see it if T’Challa has an unambiguous death in the sequel then a variant is simply the most realistic way he can be recast.

Near death isnt death. All the heroes have been near death. And being dusted along with half the universe is hardly something to be concerned about.

in 4 movie's he has shown up in, he was dead or practically dead. It's not a good precedent. Then we see him die in the what if, on the zombie what if, he is heading towards a destroyed Wakanda with IG wielding zombies Thanos.

T'Challa has died more Than any other hero.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 18, 2021, 04:29:55 pm
That's not true. If we count the snap, hes died twice. Tony has died twice and if the we include zombies as dead, three times. If you include near death, Tony was dying for almost the entire second movie and near death with the shrapnel in his heart. And he died in Furys' What if episode.

In the Star lord episode the collector has Caps shield in his collection. We'll have to wait until a follow up to see if hes dead, but that plus being a zombie is twice.

Anybody who was snapped and became a zombie is twice.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ezyo on September 18, 2021, 04:46:56 pm
there's a difference between Tony's dying and T'Challa who was in a coma and only survived because the HSH brought him from deaths door, he would of otherwise been dead.

The difference is Tony's story was told to completion so him dying the second time after he is done on the MCU isn't the same as T'Challa who's deaths have all been before his story has even been able to be told to completion, and he may be gone altogether from his own franchise, Which would make it 4 "deaths" the the span of 6 years and a grand total of a little over 3 hours of screen time in the MCU
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: CvilleWakandan on September 18, 2021, 04:56:23 pm
If his story is complete, than why do Tony fans are still fight to get him brought back. Plenty of shows get canceled before their stories get to evolve.
The first movie didnt end on a cliff hanger. It was a complete story. Can it be touched on more, sure, but if the movie flopped and they had no plans for a sequel, it be a complete story.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ *** NEW *** WHAT IF... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?
Post by: Ezyo on September 19, 2021, 06:44:07 pm
Because they like Tony. But as for his character arc, it was told to completion coming full circle with his line to Thanos as he did when he first said he is ironman.

The BP movie didn't end on a cliffhanger, and the story of the movie was complete, but it is not a complete character arc and There is going to be a sequel. Your comparing story completion with character arc and those are different things
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Season Finale - His name is Erik Stevens!
Post by: Ture on October 06, 2021, 12:05:56 pm
Killmonger did everything he was supposed to do.

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From the beginning we pick up with Killmonger confronting the Wakandan resistance. Next he is recruited by the Watcher as a Guardian of the Multiverse and observed tinkering with an severed Ultron head. Black Panther habit on full display he goes into battle.

At the penultimate defeat of cosmic Ultron Erik Stevens makes an Infinity armor and takes the infinity stones. That is what a Black Panther villain is supposed to do. Represent. He even one lines T'Challa with "I ain't your cousin."

While he did not get a lot of shine like say Captain Carter his shine was never the less bright.


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T'Challa's considerable talents were muted. Nuff said.

Also this from Variety...
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/marvel-what-if-season-1-finale-tchalla-spin-off-chadwick-boseman-1235082366/ (https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/marvel-what-if-season-1-finale-tchalla-spin-off-chadwick-boseman-1235082366/)

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With so many storytelling possibilities, it’s perhaps not surprising to learn that Marvel Studios was developing a spin-off series for at least one “What If…?” character.

“There was planning to have Star Lord T’Challa spin off into his own show,” Andrews tells Variety. “We were all very excited. We know [Chadwick] would have loved it, too.”

It was so lovely to see so much of T’Challa this season. It felt like a gift to audiences who felt like that they didn’t get to see enough of Chadwick Boseman’s performance. Was he able to record anything for Season 2?

Andrews: Unfortunately, no.

Bradley: We were lucky we had him for Season 1.

Andrews: Chadwick had recorded his Star Lord T’Challa stuff early. But we had those later episodes that he appeared in sporadically, and it was a long stretch before we got him [again]. And it was not long after the final recording that he passed. I think it was maybe just a few months, or a month. None of us knew, obviously. But, um, we got him in time to have everything [for Season 1]. I think he was also trying to make an effort because T’Challa was so important to him — and also this new version of Star Lord T’Challa was so important to him. He dug it.

I don’t know if he knew this, but there was planning to have Star Lord T’Challa spin off into his own show with that universe and that crew and that whole thing. We were all very excited. We know he would have loved it, too. And then, you know, he passed, and so all that’s in limbo. So, who knows? Maybe one day.










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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Season Finale - His name is Erik Stevens!
Post by: Ture on October 15, 2021, 06:31:14 pm
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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Season Finale - His name is Erik Stevens!
Post by: Ezyo on October 16, 2021, 08:15:45 am
That is some great artwork there. I really REALLY want to see more artists take this detail and put it into his book. They do this stuff for Spidey all the time with his intricate suit. Do the same for T'Challa
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+
Post by: Ture on November 04, 2021, 01:24:48 pm
RYAN COOGLER’S WAKANDA SERIES GOES ANIMATED
Posted by Nick Santos

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Hello everyone, your friendly neighborhood Professor Hulk here. I’m about to drop some knowledge on some exciting stuff going on in the film and TV world. Last week we shared with you details on an Agent Venom movie. This week, we’re talking about the Wakanda Disney+ series.

The series will take place in the fictional African nation fans first saw on screen in Marvel’s Black Panther. The film’s director, Ryan Coogler, is attached to the series as part of a five-year deal between Proximity Media and Disney.

“It’s an honor to be partnering with The Walt Disney Company,” Coogler said when the deal was first announced. “Working with them on Black Panther was a dream come true… We are especially excited that we will be taking our first leap with Kevin Feige, Louis D’Esposito, Victoria Alonso and their partners at Marvel Studios, where we will be working closely with them on select MCU shows for Disney+. We’re already in the mix on some projects that we can’t wait to share.”

Today, we can exclusively share new details about one of these upcoming projects.

DETAILS ON THE WAKANDA DISNEY+ SERIES

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Initial reports on this series, already announced by Disney, suggested that this series would focus on the Dora Milaje. However, I can exclusively share that this is not the case. In fact, the show will focus on the nation of Wakanda and show off various inhabitants. Undoubtedly the Dora Milaje will appear, but they won’t be the sole focus of the show.

We can also exclusively share that the series will be animated, not live-action. Undoubtedly with the popularity of Marvel’s What If, Marvel is looking to expand its animated offerings.

There’s still no word on which actors will be reprising their roles for this Wakanda series. But as it’s animated, there’s no limit to the characters and stories they can (re)introduce.

Expect more information on the show soon, possibly at the upcoming Disney+ Day, November 12th.

For more Marvel updates, check back to That Hashtag Show.

https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2021/11/03/ryan-cooglers-wakanda-series-goes-animated/ (https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2021/11/03/ryan-cooglers-wakanda-series-goes-animated/)

Curious how there remains no mention of T'Challa however this quote "But as it’s animated, there’s no limit to the characters and stories they can (re)introduce." as I focus on the (re)introduce part could fulfill a potential vacancy. We shall see.



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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ RYAN COOGLER’S NEW WAKANDA SERIES GOES ANIMATED
Post by: BlackClaw on November 04, 2021, 03:21:26 pm
No T’Challa, no interest. Quite simple on my end.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ RYAN COOGLER’S NEW WAKANDA SERIES GOES ANIMATED
Post by: Gessela on November 04, 2021, 06:17:04 pm
For now, I’ll take the view of more Wakandan content = more fertile ground for T’Challa based adventures, more opportunities to improve on existing characters as well as create new ones, and more Afro-Futurism in the public consciousness.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ RYAN COOGLER’S NEW WAKANDA SERIES GOES ANIMATED
Post by: Ture on November 04, 2021, 09:17:55 pm
I would enjoy seeing Wakanda expanded upon and fleshed out just don't want it done in T'Challa's absence. Possibly having him play hookie for the sequel is one thing but to prevent his showing up in future projects would be criminal.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Day drops IMAX Enhanced versions of select Marvel movies
Post by: Ture on November 13, 2021, 07:49:25 am
Starting November 12, IMAX Enhanced versions of select Marvel movies became available to stream on Disney Plus.

This feature allows subscribers to see even more action on screen thanks to the larger frame provided by IMAX's expanded aspect ratio (1:90:1). The IMAX presentation delivers up to 26% more picture in select scenes.

While this feature does not include IMAX Enhanced DTS sound at launch, Marvel.com suggests that an audio upgrade could be added in the future.

Here's a full list of every Marvel movie that was IMAX Enhanced on Disney Plus Day:

"Iron Man" (2008)
"Guardians of the Galaxy" (2014)
"Captain America: Civil War" (2016)
"Doctor Strange" (2016)
"Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" (2017)
"Thor: Ragnarok" (2017)
"Black Panther" (2018)
"Avengers: Infinity War" (2018)
"Ant-Man and The Wasp" (2018)
"Captain Marvel" (2019)
"Avengers: Endgame" (2019)
"Black Widow" (2021)
"Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings" (2021)

All Black Panther cinematic appearances are present and accounted for. What a pleasure watching the Black Panther solo movie in IMAX. It really is a superior showing.




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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Day drops IMAX Enhanced versions of select Marvel movies
Post by: CvilleWakandan on November 13, 2021, 09:55:30 am
Starting November 12, IMAX Enhanced versions of select Marvel movies became available to stream on Disney Plus.

This feature allows subscribers to see even more action on screen thanks to the larger frame provided by IMAX's expanded aspect ratio (1:90:1). The IMAX presentation delivers up to 26% more picture in select scenes.

While this feature does not include IMAX Enhanced DTS sound at launch, Marvel.com suggests that an audio upgrade could be added in the future.

Here's a full list of every Marvel movie that was IMAX Enhanced on Disney Plus Day:

"Iron Man" (2008)
"Guardians of the Galaxy" (2014)
"Captain America: Civil War" (2016)
"Doctor Strange" (2016)
"Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" (2017)
"Thor: Ragnarok" (2017)
"Black Panther" (2018)
"Avengers: Infinity War" (2018)
"Ant-Man and The Wasp" (2018)
"Captain Marvel" (2019)
"Avengers: Endgame" (2019)
"Black Widow" (2021)
"Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings" (2021)

All Black Panther cinematic appearances are present and accounted for. What a pleasure watching the Black Panther solo movie in IMAX. It really is a superior showing.




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Will it have the same effect on a normal HDTV?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Day drops IMAX Enhanced versions of select Marvel movies
Post by: Ture on November 13, 2021, 03:12:09 pm
Not the same as the theater but the screen ratio is the selling point. You get to see the expanse, go into the vista.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+
Post by: Ture on December 04, 2021, 07:50:24 am
Huh? “Black Panther” Sequel Shuts Down Production Over 2 Month Old Letitia Wright Minor Injury
by Roger Friedman

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Peculiar stuff going on down in Atlanta on the set of the Black Panther sequel, “Wakanda Forever.”

They’ve reportedly shut down production for the the time being because actress Letitia Wright sustained an injury while shooting in Boston at the end of August.

It is now the beginning of November, more than two months have passed since Wright’s unspecified injury was termed “minor” by the production. At the time they said she was briefly hospitalized but she was fine and had returned to work.

That was almost ten weeks ago.

Wright became notorious last December and again recently not because of her injury but because of her anti-vaccination stand. At the beginning of October there was a report from the set in The Hollywood Reporter  that Wright espoused anti-vaccine thoughts on set. She went on to deny that on her Instagram page October 13th.

Almost a year ago, in early December 2020, before the vaccine was available was just in discussion, Wright posted a clip titled “COVID-19 Vaccine, Should We Take It?” from Light London Church leader Tomi Arayomi’s YouTube channel, “On the Table.”

The 69-minute video — which has since been removed from YouTube and Wright’s Twitter feed — sees Arayomi making transphobic remarks, stating several unfounded claims blaming China for the pandemic, downplaying the threat of climate change and discouraging people from getting vaccinated for the flu and COVID-19.

Wright Tweeted: “f you don’t conform to popular opinions. but ask questions and think for yourself….you get cancelled.” She included  a crying-laughing emoji.

Shutting an entire production down for a ten week old minor injury seems highly unusual. Atlanta, as I well know, has had a lot of unreported COVID trouble on sets. Earlier this fall, I reported that actor Colin Firth had contracted COVID on the set of his HBO mini series, “The Staircase.” He was laid up for two weeks after a driver faked a vaccine card. Everyone around the production worked to cover up what happened, but I was able to verify it again.

“Wakanda Forever” is a Disney-Marvel production. Disney now has a strict vaccine mandate for all cast and crew on all productions. This has resulted in the ousting of actor Emilio Estevez from the Disney Plus series, “The Mighty Ducks: Game Changers” because he refused to be vaccinated. (His father, Martin Sheen, must be reeling from this insanity.) This has also led to upheaval on ABC’s soap, “General Hospital,” which is said to be offloading two big cast members over the same thing.

So what is really going on with “Wakanda Forever”? If you know anything, please email me in confidence at showbiz411@gmail.com. If it’s just a back spasm that’s shut down a $200 million movie, so be it.


https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/11/05/huh-black-panther-sequel-shuts-down-production-over-2-month-old-letitia-wright-minor-injury (https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/11/05/huh-black-panther-sequel-shuts-down-production-over-2-month-old-letitia-wright-minor-injury)




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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Series
Post by: Ture on December 24, 2021, 08:57:44 pm
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To all my HEF family. You are greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Series
Post by: Ture on December 30, 2021, 06:50:06 pm
THE A.G.E.N.D.A. STRIKES BACK!

Black Panther 2 Puts a Major MCU Character Into a Same-Sex Relationship
A new rumor indicates that a major character from Black Panther will enter a same-sex relationship in the sequel, Wakanda Forever.
BY MORGAN SHAUNETTE

A popular character from the Marvel Cinematic Universe may be in a same-sex relationship in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
Industry source Daniel Richtman revealed in a post on his Patreon that Okoye "will have a same-sex relationship with another Dora Milaje in the film," but did not go into further detail.

full article
https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-okoye-mcu-same-sex-relationship/ (https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-okoye-mcu-same-sex-relationship/)


BLACK PANTHER 2: DANAI GURIRA'S OKOYE RUMORED TO HAVE LESBIAN RELATIONSHIP
By Matt McGloin


Rumors offer that Danai Gurira's Okoye will have a lesbian relationship in Marvel's Black Panther 2.

The info comes via scooper DanielRPK, where a Black Panther fan Twitter account offers the following:

According to new reports, Okoye will have a same-sex relationship another Dora Milaje in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever!

full article
https://cosmicbook.news/black-panther-2-danai-gurira-okoye-lesbian (https://cosmicbook.news/black-panther-2-danai-gurira-okoye-lesbian)


Okoye Black Panther 2 Spinoff Reportedly Happening At Marvel
Marvel Studios is reportedly moving forward with a Black Panther 2 spin-off series centered on Danai Gurira's Dora Milaje general Okoye.

BY GRANT HERMANNS

Marvel Studios is reportedly moving forward with a Black Panther: Wakanda Forever spin-off series centered on Danai Gurira's Okoye. The Dora Milaje General made her cinematic debut in Ryan Coogler's Oscar-winning 2018 Marvel Cinematic Universe as a close ally to Chadwick Boseman's titular hero and the wife of Daniel Kaluuya's W'Kabi. Gurira would reprise the role in Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame as well as the animated Disney+ series What If...?.

full article
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-2-okoye-movie-spinoff-development-marvel/ (https://screenrant.com/black-panther-2-okoye-movie-spinoff-development-marvel/)

With some much positive attention focused on recasting T'Challa, The A.G.E.N.D.A. decided now was the time to launch an offensive maneuver. While just a rumor it still presents some unnecessary entanglements for the burgeoning Black Panther franchise. The rumor reads like a testing of the waters to gauge public and fandom's opinions. The rumor at it root appears to have confused its Dora Milaje as it was in Coates' BP comic iteration Aneka and Ayo who were the couple leading to speculations on Michaela Coel's casting to play off Florence Kasumba.

With some much talk of inclusion and representation the questions begging the asking is where is the inclusion and representation of the nuclear Afrakan (so called black) family of a male and female who are functioning as husband and wife, father and mother with children represented in Wakanda?

The next query asks what does this say to the viewing audience about Afrakan (so called black) couples if they have to witness W'Kabi in jail* and his love Okoye leaving him for another woman? Is the underlying message, her "black" man was so bad that it made her gay. Ridiculous.

I also don't like the way this A.G.E.N.D.A. plays on the aesthetics of the Dora Milaje. It was under Hudlin's tenure as BP writer that we first witnessed Romita's artistic rendering of the Dora Milaje as the uniformed bald headed warriors. The struggles of appreciation for Afrakan aesthetics is not unfamiliar but it is particularly a matter of intimate concern with regards to Afrakan women. To wear their hair natural, closed crop or even bald was to face ridicule and condemnation and still Afrakan women persevered. This perseverance was for the Afrakan aesthetic not queer styling. Making the main and primary Dora Milaje lesbian works to remove this onus and mock the struggle of Afrakan women in this arena.

Disney/Marvel may not be aware of such issues as they blindly try fulfill their mission of inclusion and representation thus unwittingly serving the A.G.E.N.D.A.'s mechanization to saturate what they see as hetero normality with LGBTQ at every opportunity. If such wasn't the case where is their clamor for Marvel's first gay superhero Northstar?







*An in-story technicality in fact would have the Dora Milaje inclusive of Okoye all of whom sided with Killmonger as guilty as W'Kabi and therefore also incarcerated. Don't forget the Boarder Tribe. T'Challa only had Nakia, Shuri and the Queen mother on his side and eventually M'Baku and the Jabari tribe. Talk about divided nation. Now if they are following tribal norms then none including W'Kabi should be locked up.




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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Series - Okoye is gay?!? The A.G.E.N.D.A. Strikes Back!
Post by: Emperorjones on December 31, 2021, 02:24:15 am
I had heard a little about the Okoye rumor, which I'm not surprised about if it happens. They just got to get past her marriage to W'Kabi but they might kill off that character along with T'Challa. That said, I also could see them mistaking Okoye for the rumored Aneka. Ayo is already in the MCU so it would make more sense to bring in Aneka instead of queering Okoye. But that said, I could see them pushing the idea of the defective, toxic black male in W'Kabi 'pushing' Okoye toward true love and acceptance in the arms of Aneka or Ayo.

I don't see Disney/MCU being 'unwitting' at all. Feige is open about pushing LGBTQ characters, and therefore, LGBTQ relationships. It's not that surprising either that the first gay heroes he's introducing are non-white either. None of his buff white males are gay or bisexual, yet, and I doubt ever when it comes to the bigger characters like Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, etc. And I'm not surprised that the white Jamie Alexander wants to be Tessa Thompson's queen because I think she just wants to get those MCU checks rolling in again. And she would get a lot of media attention if Sif and Valkyrie are hooked up.

I do think Okoye could lead a Plus series no problem, or a movie even. The actress has those skills, that presence to do it. And Okoye made a strong impression. I think Endgame made a mistake to not have her as the Black Panther at the start of Endgame, though I can see how they might have wanted also to keep her brand as a Dora Milaje.

If these BP2 rumors are true it just feels like this movie is going to be a contorted mess that I imagine will take time to build or focus on this Okoye/Aneka relationship at the expense of furthering the Black Panther story (whether it's Shuri, M'Baku, a new character, or a recast T'Challa). I couldn't see them introducing a new gay relationship, especially if they are turning Okoye gay or bisexual and not spend a little time on it. In Eternals they didn't spend too much time on Phastos's relationship, but they did depict it; however, BP is much more important in terms of what it means to black people, how it speaks to black people, and about the black experience, so if Disney wants to make a statement about black homosexuality, especially geared to black audiences (among others), BP2 (and to a lesser extent the Disney Plus Wakanda Forever) series are the ways to go.

This problem, of giving 'everyone' their time started with the first film and I knew it would just grow in sequels. And with Mr. Boseman no longer here, there has been less reasons to moderate those plans or agendas.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Series - Okoye is gay?!? The A.G.E.N.D.A. Strikes Back!
Post by: Ezyo on December 31, 2021, 11:21:18 am
I take these rumors with as much seriousness as any of these other rumors. I'm not going to believe it until I see it. I don't believe the rumors because it doesn't make sense. COULD they do it? Sure. But I think people are putting too much faith and stock in these supporting characters being able to carry an entire movie
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Series - M'Baku wants a light saber!
Post by: Ture on January 23, 2022, 07:40:12 pm
Winston Duke
@Winston_Duke
Watching @bobafett use M’baku’s knob kerrie… it think
that means I should get to use a light saber…It’s only fair!
@starwars make it right !!🤨😂

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We can't be but so far away from Disney crossing the MCU with Star Wars.



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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Series - Marvel and SiriusXM Launch Documentary Podcast
Post by: Ture on February 01, 2022, 09:55:42 pm
Black Panther: Marvel and SiriusXM Launch Documentary Podcast
By AARON PERINE

Marvel Comics: Black Panther is coming to SiriusXM and Marvel Podcasts Unlimited on Apple Podcasts. In the new history show, author Nic Stone leads fans through the history of the character from inception to the current adventures in Wakanda. The Shuri writer is joined by an All-Star slate of guests including Brian Stelfreeze, Christopher Priest, Don McGregor, Joe Quesada, John Ridley, John Romita Jr., Reginald Hudlin, and Ta-Nehisi Coates. All of that notable talent knows it's way around the world of the Marvel hero. T'Challa has a long and storied history in the comics and you will get to know more about him listening Stone and her account of how Wakanda became a central place in Marvel Comics. Check out a short clip down below.

On Twitter, they wrote," The Coal Tiger?! Explore all the twists and turns throughout the creation and legacy of T'Challa in 'The History of Marvel Comics: Black Panther,' a new podcast with @SiriusXM, hosted by Nic Stone (@getnicced). Listen to the first episode on February 14: http://siriusxm.com/blackpanther (http://siriusxm.com/blackpanther)"

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1488195377195061258 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1488195377195061258)

"As thrilling as it's been to watch Marvel's first Black super hero leap his way to the top of fan-favorite lists over the past few years, getting to dig into his origin story with the people who made him (and the characters around him) is truly the coolest thing I've ever gotten to do. I can't wait for fans to hear from the individuals who have spent almost 60 years shaping, expanding, and humanizing our beloved King of Wakanda and Black Panther, especially as his world continues to grow."

Marvel says of the series: "Throughout The History of Marvel Comics: Black Panther, Stone will take both new and lifelong fans behind-the-scenes in a definitive tell-all of the incredible journey of T'Challa, how he came to be Black Panther, and how he and the world of Wakanda have evolved since. The show explores some of Black Panther's most pivotal moments including Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's 1966 debut of the character at the height of the Civil Rights Movement, his continued evolution through the birth of the Black Power Movement, his time with the Avengers and of course, the launching of  Black Panther's adventures."

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/black-panther-marvel-podcast-siriusxm-documentary/ (https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/black-panther-marvel-podcast-siriusxm-documentary/)









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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Sirius and Marvel Launch BP Documentary Podcast
Post by: Ezyo on February 03, 2022, 04:54:56 pm
And yet marvel wants to move on with Wakanda forever despite all the rich history behind T'CHALLA, and want to claim Wakanda was always the focus... Right
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Sirius and Marvel Launch BP Documentary Podcast
Post by: BlackClaw on February 04, 2022, 05:18:06 am
And yet marvel wants to move on with Wakanda forever despite all the rich history behind T'CHALLA, and want to claim Wakanda was always the focus... Right

Who knows maybe they’re secretly planning to recast later on down the line and are using this podcast to prepare people for it.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Sirius and Marvel Launch BP Documentary Podcast
Post by: Ezyo on February 04, 2022, 06:32:52 am
that would be nice. Though it's one of those situations where they should of said done it earlier rather than later if that were the case. There's a lot more positivity they could get out of promoting the honoring of Chad and carrying the torch via recast
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Sirius and Marvel Launch BP Documentary Podcast
Post by: BlackClaw on February 10, 2022, 07:28:14 am
that would be nice. Though it's one of those situations where they should of said done it earlier rather than later if that were the case. There's a lot more positivity they could get out of promoting the honoring of Chad and carrying the torch via recast

True. And do you think maybe they’re doing this in response to the movement?
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY+ Sirius and Marvel Launch BP Documentary Podcast
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 10, 2022, 08:36:37 am
And yet marvel wants to move on with Wakanda forever despite all the rich history behind T'CHALLA, and want to claim Wakanda was always the focus... Right

This was my immediate first reaction.

that would be nice. Though it's one of those situations where they should of said done it earlier rather than later if that were the case. There's a lot more positivity they could get out of promoting the honoring of Chad and carrying the torch via recast

True. And do you think maybe they’re doing this in response to the movement?


This was my second.

Right now? I've combined the two...and still don't trust Marvel with BP.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - BP 2 IMPLICATIONS FOR MARVEL TV SHOW
Post by: Ture on April 12, 2022, 07:46:35 am
BLACK PANTHER 2 RUMOR REVEALS SURPRISING IMPLICATIONS FOR MARVEL TV SHOW
Ryan Coogler has more on his plate than just Wakanda.

DAIS JOHNSTON

EVEN THOUGH IT’S wrapped filming, not much is known about Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. We know who’s involved, but that’s about it — there’s no word on who the villain is, or even who will be taking up the mantle of Black Panther after the tragic loss of Chadwick Boseman. However, a seemingly innocuous announcement about the crew behind an upcoming Disney+ series may have just confirmed one of the biggest rumors surrounding the mysterious sequel. Here’s what you need to know.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Disney+’s upcoming series Ironheart has found its two directors — Sam Bailey and Angela Barnes will each helm three episodes. Additionally, the series has gained another executive producer: Ryan Coogler, the director of Black Panther and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.

One of the biggest rumors surrounding Black Panther 2 is that it contains the MCU debut of Riri Williams (Dominique Thorne), the protagonist of Ironheart and the spiritual successor to Tony Stark’s Iron Man. Reports from filming show that Wakanda Forever’s production visited MIT, which is famously the alma mater of Stark and Williams.

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By including Williams in Black Panther 2, we could get our first look at the next generation of Iron Man and a glimpse of what her standalone series will be like. If Coogler’s involvement is any indication, the tone and feel of Black Panther 2 will carry into Ironheart, and we may even get some cameos too.

If this rumor is true, and it’s looking exceedingly likely, then Black Panther 2 has quite the tall task. It doesn’t need to set up the backstory of just one new Avenger, but two. Will it be able to give both Riri and the new Black Panther the screentime they deserve, or will Riri’s role be relegated to a cameo that’s followed up on in her series?

Considering how Ironheart doesn’t even have a release date yet, it’s hard to answer these questions. But if there’s one way to drum up interest in a series it’s to tease it in a big blockbuster, and Black Panther 2 is guaranteed to be just that. It could be Riri’s time to shine, or at the very least appear and start to make waves in the MCU.

THE INVERSE ANALYSIS — While nothing regarding Riri’s connection to Black Panther 2 has been officially announced, the evidence is piling up in favor of an appearance of some caliber in the upcoming sequel. Hopefully as we learn more about this movie we’ll see just how Riri factors into the story.

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER PREMIERES IN THEATERS NOVEMBER 11, 2022.

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/black-panther-2-theory-ironheart (https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/black-panther-2-theory-ironheart)

I hope this doesn't imply that Iron Heart will have more than a glorified cameo. I hope BP2 isn't just a platform to launch Marvel Plus IPs like Iron Heart, the Dora Milaje and Sub Mariner because that is what it is beginning to sound like.





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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - BP 2 IMPLICATIONS FOR MARVEL TV SHOW
Post by: Ezyo on April 13, 2022, 06:15:25 am
Well without it's anchor, the BP franchise is just going to be relagated to a springboard IP. Wasted potential with flimsy excuses and contradictory statements
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - Moon Knight References Black Panther's Heaven
Post by: Ture on April 30, 2022, 06:49:07 pm
Moon Knight Episode 5 References Black Panther's Heaven
By Pierre Chanliau

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Ever since Black Panther was released in theaters, showing fans a visage of Bast and witnessing Chadwick Boseman's T'Challa visiting the Ancestral Plane, many wondered if either were 100% real. However, while Black Panther may have been ambiguous regarding its more fantastical elements, Moon Knight has been anything but, especially in the latest episode, "Asylum."

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It was always left to chance that the vision brought on by the consumption of the heart-shaped herb caused one to hallucinate Wakanda's afterlife, but the latest episode of Moon Knight no longer leaves any doubt about it. The Ancestral Plane is real, which carries significant implications for the rest of the Marvel Cinematic Universe moving forward.

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In Episode 5 of Moon Knight, Oscar Isaac's Marc Spector begins to question if they're in "the" afterlife, but Taweret corrects him, saying that it's merely "an" afterlife. The goddess names the Ancestral Plane as one example, which she finds "gorgeous."

(https://images.thedirect.com/media/photos/Ancestral_Plane_Black_Panther.jpg)

This confirms that the Ancestral Plane seen in Black Panther wasn't a hallucination brought on by the heart-shaped herb, but an actual heaven-like plane of existence Wakandians go to after death. Something which would explain the appearance of N'Jadaka's father, N'Jobu, in the Ancestral Plane, despite having never consumed the herb.

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Not only that, but it being an entirely separate afterlife suggests that Wakanda has a pantheon of gods, much like the comics, with its equivalent of the Ennead being the Orisha, which includes, but is not limited to, Thoth, Bast, Kokou, Mujaji, and Ptah, seen above.

How Many Others Exist?
As Thor and the rest of the Asgardians are highly advanced and powerful aliens in the MCU, it's uncertain if Valhalla exists as an afterlife, if it's merely another dimension, or simply part of Asgardian myth. In the comics, it is a real place, currently hidden in the realm of Niflheim, the same realm where Odin had banished his daughter, Hela.

Coincidently, it is also where Odin had sent all the Valkeries to hold Hela at bay, and all but Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie survived. So, could it be possible that Valhalla, like the comics, is hidden in Niflheim? Will audiences see Odin again, who may have arrived there after his death in Thor: Ragnarok?

It's possible that Gorr could be invading these afterlives, including Valhalla, perhaps to hunt down even dead gods, such as Odin. Another possibility is either Thor, Jane Foster's Mighty Foster, or Valkerie, even temporarily, die and go to Valhalla.


Fans will see if other afterlives are glimpsed in Thor: Love and Thunder when it releases in theaters on July 8.

https://thedirect.com/article/moon-knight-episode-5-black-panther-heaven





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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: Ture on June 14, 2022, 08:28:24 am
Okoye, and the untitled Wakanda series are all but confirmed to be in the works, making them the safe for September announcements. Disney+ Day 2022 takes place on September 8, with last year's Marvel Studios special premiering at 9am ET.

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Shooting of the Okoye TV series will begin in early 2023. The series will be released on Disney+ in 2024

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A series set in Wakanda is in development at Disney Plus. The series is part of a new multi-year overall television deal Ryan Coogler and his Proximity Media have signed with The Walt Disney Company and will include other television projects in the future.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 22, 2022, 05:43:19 pm
Okoye, and the untitled Wakanda series are all but confirmed to be in the works, making them the safe for September announcements. Disney+ Day 2022 takes place on September 8, with last year's Marvel Studios special premiering at 9am ET.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUf0h6tWAAEtvOe?format=jpg&name=small)

Shooting of the Okoye TV series will begin in early 2023. The series will be released on Disney+ in 2024

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NzMQubKIZNo/sddefault.jpg)

A series set in Wakanda is in development at Disney Plus. The series is part of a new multi-year overall television deal Ryan Coogler and his Proximity Media have signed with The Walt Disney Company and will include other television projects in the future.


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I read about all of this last year and earlier this year, but they lacked the details with which you provided. I am both very happy to see this information and more than a little apprehensive. It really seems like they're going to blot out T'Challa and promote Wakanda in his stead...instead of doing both simultaneously.

Imagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As...

THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.

And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: Emperorjones on June 23, 2022, 03:46:17 am
An Agents of Wakanda series would be neat.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 23, 2022, 07:22:29 am
An Agents of Wakanda series would be neat.

Yessir!
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: Ture on June 23, 2022, 04:43:36 pm
Quote
Imagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...

You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme.  ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 23, 2022, 06:34:06 pm
Quote
Imagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...

You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme.  ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.




Brother Ture, I don't see any compliance at all in what I'm posting. Where do you see such a thing? Am I missing something?

 I think I've made it clear by repeating...mara nyingi hadi naugua, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...that the primary prerequisite for any Wakanda anything in this era? Is the dominating, ultra feat laden, second to none, equaled by none, ultra respected presence of THE BLACK PANTHER WHO IS T'CHALLA, SON OF T'CHAKA, BROTHER OF SHURI. You know that.

You know that I 100% agree that the most central and important ingredient is THE BLACK PANTHER. I think you know this, Brother Ture. I'm not happy or thrilled at all at the current state of affairs, but I realize that Disney reserves the right to do what it wants to do with its character...THE BLACK PANTHER.

I think you know that I think that there is no Wakanda without BP and the premier BP? Is T'Challa.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: Ture on June 23, 2022, 07:16:45 pm
Quote
Imagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...

You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme.  ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.






Brother Ture, I don't see any compliance at all in what I'm posting. Where do you see such a thing? Am I missing something?

 I think I've made it clear by repeating...mara nyingi hadi naugua, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...that the primary prerequisite for any Wakanda anything in this era? Is the dominating, ultra feat laden, second to none, equaled by none, ultra respected presence of THE BLACK PANTHER WHO IS T'CHALLA, SON OF T'CHAKA, BROTHER OF SHURI. You know that.

You know that I 100% agree that the most central and important ingredient is THE BLACK PANTHER. I think you know this, Brother Ture. I'm not happy or thrilled at all at the current state of affairs, but I realize that Disney reserves the right to do what it wants to do with its character...THE BLACK PANTHER.

I think you know that I think that there is no Wakanda without BP and the premier BP? Is T'Challa.

Absolutely Brother Supreme. I was just joking around with the fact you gave an excellent line up and too good an idea for those who would relegate T'Challa to oblivion.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP related shows to be announced at D-Day 22!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 12, 2022, 11:57:53 am
Quote
Imagine: Ayo. RiRi Williams. Photon/Marvel. Luke Cage. Blade's daughter. Gorgon [ or whoever the brutha Eternal is/was ]. Lunella. The Samurider in her role as The Afrakan Black Widow. The White Wolf aka Winter Soldier. And either a reformed Baron Mordo or the newly introduced Doctor Voodoo aka The Lord of the Loa. As... THE DISNEY+ A.G.E.N.T.S. OF WAKANDA.
And. We suurree could use a BLUE MARVEL roundaboutupinthesepartshere. I'm juss sayin...

You're just a bit too happy in your compliance Brother Supreme.  ;)
No T'Challa the Black Panther, no compromise.






Brother Ture, I don't see any compliance at all in what I'm posting. Where do you see such a thing? Am I missing something?

 I think I've made it clear by repeating...mara nyingi hadi naugua, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...that the primary prerequisite for any Wakanda anything in this era? Is the dominating, ultra feat laden, second to none, equaled by none, ultra respected presence of THE BLACK PANTHER WHO IS T'CHALLA, SON OF T'CHAKA, BROTHER OF SHURI. You know that.

You know that I 100% agree that the most central and important ingredient is THE BLACK PANTHER. I think you know this, Brother Ture. I'm not happy or thrilled at all at the current state of affairs, but I realize that Disney reserves the right to do what it wants to do with its character...THE BLACK PANTHER.

I think you know that I think that there is no Wakanda without BP and the premier BP? Is T'Challa.

Absolutely Brother Supreme. I was just joking around with the fact you gave an excellent line up and too good an idea for those who would relegate T'Challa to oblivion.

Yessir!
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP show Kingdom Of Wakanda
Post by: Ture on July 22, 2022, 10:43:15 pm
“KINGDOM OF WAKANDA” BLACK PANTHER SPIN-OFF DISNEY+ SERIES COMING SOON
By Roger Palmer

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Disney has announced that they are working on a brand new Marvel live-action series “Kingdom Of Wakanda” for Disney+.

The Walt Disney Company has extended its relationship with Black Panther director and co-writer Ryan Coogler by signing a new five-year overall exclusive television deal with Coogler’s Proximity Media.  He runs this company with Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian, Ludwig Göransson, Archie Davis and Peter Nicks.

As part of this new deal, they are working on a drama based in the Kingdom of Wakanda for Disney+, along with other Marvel shows for Disney+ while also being able to make shows for other divisions of the Company.

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/kingdom-of-wakanda-disney-series-coming-soon/



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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP show Kingdom Of Wakanda
Post by: BlackClaw on July 23, 2022, 05:58:13 am
No T’Challa so I’m not interested.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - New BP show Kingdom Of Wakanda
Post by: Ezyo on July 24, 2022, 10:24:34 am
So no T'Challa for atleast 5 more years? Man...
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - D23 'The King is Dead'
Post by: Ture on September 11, 2022, 08:59:11 pm
Disney Reveals New Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Trailer At D23: 'The King is Dead'
By Ryan Dinsdale

A new trailer for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever has revealed several new story details for the upcoming film.

Unveiled exclusively at D23 2022 - but not before the stage erupted into the Captain America musical number - the trailer opens with Angela Bassett's character appearing at the UN. She's asked about vibranium and how it can be used as a weapon for mass destruction, facing criticism for its threat to the global order.

The next scene shows soldiers invading a Wakandan outreach centre and bending the soldiers to their will. Flashing back to the Queen, she calls the UN liars, declaring: "The King is dead. The Black Panther is gone. They have lost the protector." Back at the lab, Dora Milaje appear and fight the soldiers before appearing at the UN with them as prisoners.

The trailer then flashes through several scenes: Shuri in a funeral garb, a shot of Namor, the throne room on fire. The Queen can be seen talking to Namor who is later attacked by M'baku, though M'baku's staff is broken as a result. Another quick shot shows Iron Heart very briefly before the new Black Panther hero - who remains a mystery - lands on a snowy field.

Director Ryan Coogler discussed Wakanda Forever after the trailer, paying respects to the late Chadwick Boseman alongside cast members Winston Duke, Tenoch Huerta, and Bassett.

"It was just an amazing experience and we absolutely looking forward to bringing it to you," Coogler said. "This is the calm before the amazing storm. Our heart Chadwick, he paved the way - he showed us the way - and we had to meet his level of excellence."

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Duke added that everything is bigger and everything is new in Wakanda Forever. "The tech is fun, the tech is different, the tech is nothing you’ve seen, it’s Wakanda."

The sequel to the beloved Black Panther has been a long time coming; following the immense success of the original, Wakanda Forever's production was initially shaken by the tragic death of star Boseman. With the decision made to not continue with a CGI version of Boseman's T'Challa, the film was reshaped to be respectful of Boseman but also find a new direction. But since starting filming, production has been hindered by COVID and delays.

The set recently had to be closed due to an outbreak, and was previously halted due to an on-set injury suffered by star Letitia Wright.

Due to arrive on November 11, we got an emotional first trailer at San Diego Comic-Con, which hid the identity of the new Black Panther. However, a LEGO set appeared to give the game away shortly afterwards.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever will be the final entry in Phase 4 of the MCU and will be part of the newly named Multiverse Saga that encompasses Phases 4, 5, and 6. It will also be our first introduction to new MCU character Ironheart, who will go on to have her own Disney+ show inspired by the comics of the same name.

You can catch up on everything announced during today's showcase in our full roundup.

https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-reveals-new-black-panther-wakanda-forever-trailer-at-d23-the-king-is-dead (https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-reveals-new-black-panther-wakanda-forever-trailer-at-d23-the-king-is-dead)




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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - NYCC Unveils Life Size T'Challa Statue!
Post by: Ture on October 09, 2022, 09:44:46 pm
Marvel Unveils Life-Size Black Panther and Loki Wax Statues at NYCC 2022
Get an early look at the MCU's first life-size wax statue exhibit.
By Jesse Schedeen
 
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The MCU is headed to Madame Tussauds New York, and Marvel is giving fans a taste of the new exhibit at New York Comic-Con. Marvel's NYCC booth features two life-size wax statues from the Madame Tussauds exhibit, including one depicting Chadwick Boseman's Black Panther.

full article:
https://in.ign.com/black-panther-theater/175205/feature/marvel-unveils-life-size-black-panther-and-loki-wax-statues-at-nycc-2022


Even with impending cinematic death (albeit temporary) about to drop in approximately one month, the true King of the Wakandas, first and primary Black Panther, T'Challa continues to have his presence felt and seen. Long may he reign. Black Panther Forever!






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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - A potential grown adult T'Challa for a new series
Post by: Ture on November 03, 2022, 09:22:30 pm
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Joshua Boone

I open for either a movie role or a series or both centered on T'Challa err T'Challa Jr.


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - A potential T'Challa and Achebe for a new series
Post by: Ture on November 04, 2022, 10:10:29 pm
Spiraling out of the events that occurred during...

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could give Marvel the impetus to reintroduce an all new cast for a mature Disney plus series starring the Black Panther. This series should be grounded in the Priest era Black Panther of the true 616 universe distinguishing it from the MCU's incorrectly identified 616 universe. The events of this series should lead to a major Black Panther motion picture separate from the MCU. Now is a good time since general movie goers understand the concept of multiverses.

Here are some casting suggestions.


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Joshua Boone as T'Challa the Black Panther

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Orlando Jones as Achebe

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Janelle Monáe as Monica Lynn

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Keke Palmer as Queen Divine Justice

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Chloe x Halle as the Dora Milaje (Nakia and Okoye)

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Kelly Reilly as Dakota North

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Robin Wright as Agent Ross

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Lena Headey as President of the United States of America

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Aldis Hodge as Hunter the White Wolf


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - A new series' casting suggestions...
Post by: Ezyo on November 12, 2022, 10:12:31 am
Nah man of they got Aldis HE should be BP. Dude can act AND expressed interest in BP all the way back in 2012, give him his shot
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - A new series' casting suggestions...
Post by: Ture on November 12, 2022, 10:39:49 am
Aldis definitely has the aesthetic and talent. I was thinking his being as popular as he is might be more glaring when contrasted with Chadwick thus I thought Joshua's fit into the role would be less jarring.

On another note I wonder if Disney+ will be used as the vehicle develop
Spoiler (click to reveal)
T'Challa Jr
?






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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - A new series' casting suggestions...
Post by: Ezyo on November 12, 2022, 02:52:22 pm
Aldis definitely has the aesthetic and talent. I was thinking his being as popular as he is might be more glaring when contrasted with Chadwick thus I thought Joshua's fit into the role would be less jarring.

On another note I wonder if Disney+ will be used as the vehicle develop
Spoiler (click to reveal)
T'Challa Jr
?






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Like hurt being Recast by a bigger actor, T'Challa deserves to continue with an actor as big or bigger then Chad, and a rising star like Aldis is the perfect pick. Or ylan or Sope Dirisu. Rising known stars that wi bring the hype and channel T'Challa should be picked
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER DISNEY+ Winston Duke Says There's 'No Way They'll Never Remake' BP
Post by: Ture on November 17, 2022, 12:42:24 am
Aldis definitely has the aesthetic and talent. I was thinking his being as popular as he is might be more glaring when contrasted with Chadwick thus I thought Joshua's fit into the role would be less jarring.

On another note I wonder if Disney+ will be used as the vehicle develop
Spoiler (click to reveal)
T'Challa Jr
?

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Like hurt being Recast by a bigger actor, T'Challa deserves to continue with an actor as big or bigger then Chad, and a rising star like Aldis is the perfect pick. Or ylan or Sope Dirisu. Rising known stars that wi bring the hype and channel T'Challa should be picked

Agreed. Ylan, Sope and especially Aldis could work. Big names are good but as the Rock is demonstrating with Black Adam that may not be enough. T'Challa requires a fresh face, an actor with both youth and range. This time around must ensure that T'Challa the Black Panther as a character remains immortalized with respect to the changes or mortality of the actor portraying him.
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER DISNEY+ Winston Duke Says There's 'No Way They'll Never Remake' BP
Post by: Ture on November 17, 2022, 12:43:15 am



Winston Duke Says There's 'No Way They'll Never Remake' Black Panther in the Future
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Winston Duke expects Black Panther's King T'Challa to return eventually.

In a new interview with Esquire published Monday, the Black Panther: Wakanda Forever star, 36, expressed some frustration with Marvel Cinematic Universe fans who publicly supported for Marvel Studios to recast Chadwick Boseman's character as first trailers for the sequel were unveiled in July. (Boseman died of colon cancer in 2020 at age 43.)

Duke told the outlet that some fans "center their own need for a character when none of this would be possible if the people who brought this to life didn't participate, from behind the scenes to in front of it."

During the interview, Duke also noted that it is likely Black Panther will eventually receive a reboot, at which point another actor will take an opportunity to play T'Challa.

"There's no way they'll never remake Black Panther in the future," Duke said. "There's no way that the saga and interpretation of T'Challa, King of Wakanda, will end."

"He is canon. So trust that it'll come," the actor added. "But allow this to be a human experience."

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Duke, who plays M'Baku in the Black Panther series, has spoken about his feelings after Boseman's death in the run-up to Wakanda Forever's release. At a New York City screening of the movie last Tuesday, the star told PEOPLE that he is understanding of the loss experienced by Chadwick Boseman's widow after the death of his own mother.

"What's been powerful here is we're all going through a lot of loss. I lost my mom recently, two weeks ago," he said at the screening. "It's tough."

Duke says he had a conversation with Taylor Simone Ledward, 31, who married Boseman in 2018, about their shared loss.

"I said to her recently, I can't say I fully understood what you were going through until today, to fully come close to understanding the grief you are experiencing."

In a new interview with Esquire published Monday, the Black Panther: Wakanda Forever star, 36, expressed some frustration with Marvel Cinematic Universe fans who publicly supported for Marvel Studios to recast Chadwick Boseman's character as first trailers for the sequel were unveiled in July. (Boseman died of colon cancer in 2020 at age 43.)

Duke told the outlet that some fans "center their own need for a character when none of this would be possible if the people who brought this to life didn't participate, from behind the scenes to in front of it."

During the interview, Duke also noted that it is likely Black Panther will eventually receive a reboot, at which point another actor will take an opportunity to play T'Challa.

"There's no way they'll never remake Black Panther in the future," Duke said. "There's no way that the saga and interpretation of T'Challa, King of Wakanda, will end." "He is canon. So trust that it'll come," the actor added. "But allow this to be a human experience."


Duke, who plays M'Baku in the Black Panther series, has spoken about his feelings after Boseman's death in the run-up to Wakanda Forever's release. At a New York City screening of the movie last Tuesday, the star told PEOPLE that he is understanding of the loss experienced by Chadwick Boseman's widow after the death of his own mother.

"What's been powerful here is we're all going through a lot of loss. I lost my mom recently, two weeks ago," he said at the screening. "It's tough."

Duke says he had a conversation with Taylor Simone Ledward, 31, who married Boseman in 2018, about their shared loss.

"I said to her recently, I can't say I fully understood what you were going through until today, to fully come close to understanding the grief you are experiencing."

"You know, we all showed up and participated in starting in the foundation for him at the Smithsonian," says Duke. "We're just here for her and we support her. He's going be with us forever. And she will be."

In an October interview on the Jemele Hill Is Unbothered podcast, Duke called the loss of Boseman "something that we have to wrestle with daily on set" as the Wakanda Forever team unexpectedly embarked on the highly-anticipated sequel without its lead actor.

"There was a gaping hole when it came to his presence," the actor revealed on the podcast. "You felt it daily. You felt him not being there."

"He was a very gentle presence of strength, power, and scope," Duke said of working with Boseman on the podcast. "You knew he was there, but he didn't have to say anything. He wasn't walking around with a big ego… You don't realize the impact when they're there."


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Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER - DISNEY PLUS - A new series' casting suggestions...
Post by: supreme illuminati on November 21, 2022, 03:41:59 pm
Nah man of they got Aldis HE should be BP. Dude can act AND expressed interest in BP all the way back in 2012, give him his shot

JDW or Aldis. Either could kill it. If one is T'Challa? The other is N'jobu. Or Killmonger. Or...check THIS out...Solomon Preyy!!
Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER DISNEY+ Marvel release Bashenga: The First Black Panther
Post by: Ture on November 28, 2022, 04:24:19 pm
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it's a fan pitch.

it's freaking awesome.

and he clearly watched BPQ

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This just goes to show the unlimited and untapped potential that lies within the Black Panther franchise. A Disney+ anthology series is what their upcoming Wakanda show should be designed around. Return via recast and reboot T'Challa the Black Panther and his supporting cast and updated rogues gallery to the MCU in 2027. The new film origin story could be based on an update of Hudlin's Who is the Black Panther?

Just watched it again and it still stands up. Definitely needs to be adapted to the big screen.




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