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Title: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 07, 2007, 06:08:11 pm
Has anyone heard of this:

http://www.petitiononline.com/hiphop1/petition.html

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 08, 2007, 04:17:37 am
Should I also post the thousand people who signed a petition to bring back UNCUT?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 08, 2007, 05:18:25 am
hey reg, can i sign that petition?

 ;D
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Magic Wand on May 08, 2007, 06:43:12 am
Suck up!
Title: Cousin Jeff commentary on rap & sexism
Post by: Hypestyle on May 08, 2007, 10:03:27 am
Cousin Jeff breaks it down like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/07/commentary.johnson/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 08, 2007, 11:52:51 am
magic, where else can i see the "White Girls" video?
hmmm?
thank you.
Uncut!

 8)
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Catch22 on May 08, 2007, 12:14:04 pm
magic, where else can i see the "White Girls" video?
hmmm?
thank you.
Uncut!

 8)

White Girls video?  I'm not familiar...off to You Tube!!! ;D
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 08, 2007, 02:40:45 pm
hahahaha...
the song and the video are just funny.

nothing that would endear it to the "Playaz Club" fanz.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: The Evasive 1 on May 08, 2007, 05:02:25 pm
hahahaha...
the song and the video are just funny.

nothing that would endear it to the "Playaz Club" fanz.

Oh I think I remember that one.

"White girls, running through my mind........"
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Static Froggy on May 08, 2007, 07:20:33 pm
hahahaha...
the song and the video are just funny.

nothing that would endear it to the "Playaz Club" fanz.
        Mighty casey, that dude was a CLOWN!
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 09, 2007, 09:56:53 am
yup.
that's the video.
it had me laffin' when i first saw it.
hahahahah...

was he mixed or just light skinned?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Catch22 on May 09, 2007, 10:34:19 am
That's alright...I'll just watch the Rich Boy, Throw Some D's On It video.  It's got one of the rappers in a car full of white girls rapping along with him...yeah, it looks as ridiculous as the song sounds.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: The Evasive 1 on May 09, 2007, 01:49:18 pm
yup.
that's the video.
it had me laffin' when i first saw it.
hahahahah...

was he mixed or just light skinned?

Does it matter? That could have just as easily been a brotha as dark as coal and still had a rap video full of white girls.

Hey, if I remember right, wasn't that video shot in the winter time outside in the snow?  :-X
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 09, 2007, 05:32:04 pm
was he mixed or just light skinned?

And what exactly is the difference?  ;)
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Static Froggy on May 09, 2007, 08:40:18 pm
yup.
that's the video.
it had me laffin' when i first saw it.
hahahahah...

was he mixed or just light skinned?

Does it matter? That could have just as easily been a brotha as dark as coal and still had a rap video full of white girls.

Hey, if I remember right, wasn't hat video shot in the winter time outside in the snow?  :-X
      Part of it. I remember my friend found that isht on youtbue and i was DYING
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Princesa on May 13, 2007, 10:03:56 am
I really didn't have a problem with Uncut it came on at 3 a.m. for god's sake. Compared to what else was on it wasn't that big a deal. What ever happened to changing the channel? Now if it did come back it would make a nice forum for indie, unsigned and well under the radar artists. a lot of good stuff doesn't get rotation. a lot doesn't fit the Rap City or 106 format per se.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jenn on May 13, 2007, 09:40:48 pm
"Gangsta rap"? What decade are we in again?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 15, 2007, 09:35:51 am
heck if i know, jenn.
i thought we left gangsta rap in the '90s.
unless gangsta rap went to the "next level."
hahahaha
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 18, 2007, 06:28:07 pm
heck if i know, jenn.
i thought we left gangsta rap in the '90s.
unless gangsta rap went to the "next level."
hahahaha

Actually, gangsta rap is now called minstrel rap, which is quite appropriate since it's demeaning to Black people, especially Black women.

Hence, the petitioners are indeed right that BET needs to clean up its act.  It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.  These videos also explain why BET's new lineup of shows is being greated with skepticism instead of praise.  A lot of people are half expecting Hannibal, for instance, to be a lame minstrel rap video with elephants instead of a top-notch, action packed and even inspiring epic.

So, once again, BET needs to:

1.  Apologize for the misogynist, self-hating material from years past.

2.  Get rid of said material ASAP.

That way the petition above becomes unnecessary.

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: TripleX on May 19, 2007, 07:02:09 pm
heck if i know, jenn.
i thought we left gangsta rap in the '90s.
unless gangsta rap went to the "next level."
hahahaha

Actually, gangsta rap is now called minstrel rap, which is quite appropriate since it's demeaning to Black people, especially Black women.

Hence, the petitioners are indeed right that BET needs to clean up its act.  It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.  These videos also explain why BET's new lineup of shows is being greated with skepticism instead of praise.  A lot of people are half expecting Hannibal, for instance, to be a lame minstrel rap video with elephants instead of a top-notch, action packed and even inspiring epic.

So, once again, BET needs to:

1.  Apologize for the misogynist, self-hating material from years past.

2.  Get rid of said material ASAP.

That way the petition above becomes unnecessary.

zeraze


Okay you REALLY need to step down off dat soapbox and go listen to your Billy Ekstein records and cool out.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: TripleX on May 19, 2007, 07:06:33 pm
And put my vote in for da return of Uncut too.
My joint was "Momma Call My Lawyer Cause I'm Bout To Go To Trial", it had me lmao.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 20, 2007, 07:02:28 am
HAHAHAHAHHA...
that video was hella cheap!
it always had me laffin'...especially that non acting reporter chick.

"i'm 'bout 2 trial...'bout 2 go to trial!"
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 20, 2007, 08:06:02 am
It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse. 

zeraze, I'm having a hard time following that line of argument connecting Imus' offense with the airing of any rap videos.  Also, I don't recall BET taking an official position on the Imus situation.  I'm sure you don't mean that one cannot object to a specific insult because somebody somewhere has said something worse.  Perhaps you could expound on your point a bit. 
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 20, 2007, 08:57:31 am
Imus has been doing his racist bit on air for a long time;  probably before RAPPER'S DELIGHT came out.  To tie the two together is absurd.

UNCUT was cancelled over six months ago, long before this whole drama kicked up.  It was one of the first things that Debra Lee did when she became Chairman/CEO. 

What NO ONE wants to hear about in these conversations is the reality that the line between healthy sexuality and sexual exploitation is really vague.  It would easy for me to enact some stringent rules that would make all the people who are mad at BET very happy.  Of course, they don't actually watch the channel, but hearing about it would make them happy, even though they wouldn't start watching.

Of course, those same stringent rules would not allow for Beyonce, Janet Jackson or Tina Turner (all of whom have appeared on Oprah for shaking their ass, among many talents)...and would also cause a ban on Chris Rock, who has appeared on Oprah for saying all those words people want banned.

Art and rules don't easily mix.  There is always a genius (Richard Pryor, for example) that makes you throw the rules out the window.

My solution to all this is not focus on banning things (even through BET has the most stringent rules of ANY network that airs music videos) but to create a wider range of programming that LEADS the culture without LEAVING it.  If art reflects society and we don't like what we see, why don't we focus on fixing the culture, and the cultural expression will follow.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jenn on May 21, 2007, 08:34:10 am
It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.

Z, you're too smart to say such ridiculous sh*t.

What NO ONE wants to hear about in these conversations is the reality that the line between healthy sexuality and sexual exploitation is really vague.

"So Jennifer, how come you didn't lose your sh*t over Tip Drill?"
"Uh, because the video turns me on? Shut up, you."

Every woman in her life has wanted to be, to some extent, a girl like the ones in the TD video. Any woman who tells you otherwise is lying to you.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on May 21, 2007, 02:33:59 pm
What I would like to see is a balance between various music videos shown. I remember in the late eighties and mid-nineties shows like Rap City and Yo! use to show different rap videos ranging from gangsta to conscious but it seems that when one type of rap blew up the rest was shoved to the back. I have no problems with gangsta rap (I still refer to it as "Hardcore Hip Hop"), but I would just like to see a balance of different rap styles represented on the music video tip.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Wise Son on May 22, 2007, 02:54:26 am
What I would like to see is a balance between various music videos shown. I remember in the late eighties and mid-nineties shows like Rap City and Yo! use to show different rap videos ranging from gangsta to conscious but it seems that when one type of rap blew up the rest was shoved to the back. I have no problems with gangsta rap (I still refer to it as "Hardcore Hip Hop"), but I would just like to see a balance of different rap styles represented on the music video tip.
Variety is indeed what is missing. It's something that goes beyond BET, though, although they might be in a position to help change the status quo.

Also, 'hardcore' always meant Public Enemy and the like to me.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 22, 2007, 07:32:40 pm
It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.

Z, you're too smart to say such ridiculous sh*t.

Prove me wrong that BET doesn't air minstrel rap, and I'll retract the statement.

zeraze

Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 22, 2007, 07:37:09 pm
zeraze, I'm having a hard time following that line of argument connecting Imus' offense with the airing of any rap videos.  Also, I don't recall BET taking an official position on the Imus situation.  I'm sure you don't mean that one cannot object to a specific insult because somebody somewhere has said something worse.  Perhaps you could expound on your point a bit. 

Of course, Black people should be angry about Imus insulting Black people. I just think we shouldn't give a Black person a pass for doing the same thing.

It's all about consistency.

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 22, 2007, 07:48:45 pm
What I would like to see is a balance between various music videos shown. I remember in the late eighties and mid-nineties shows like Rap City and Yo! use to show different rap videos ranging from gangsta to conscious but it seems that when one type of rap blew up the rest was shoved to the back. I have no problems with gangsta rap (I still refer to it as "Hardcore Hip Hop"), but I would just like to see a balance of different rap styles represented on the music video tip.

Exactly.

Mainstream rap music before the mid-90s was simply more diverse and innovative.  If you didn't care for NWA or Snoop Dogg, you had alternatives like Will Smith, Run DMC, and Public Enemy.  And BET not only reflect this, but help encourage the range in the genre.

Now, mainstream rap is dominated by corporations that believe gangsta rap equals all of hip hop and will snub any act that doesn't fit this narrow view.  Once again, BET mirrors this trend.  Naturally, the network is getting criticized along with the corporations and sellout rappers who profit from the new status quo.

That's the issue.  Does BET and by extension hip hop stick with the current materialistic path?  Or will the network dare to take some risks that will defy people's expectations and result in real innovation?

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jenn on May 23, 2007, 05:57:50 am
It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.

Z, you're too smart to say such ridiculous sh*t.

Prove me wrong that BET doesn't air minstrel rap, and I'll retract the statement.

zeraze



You don't need to retract it. Stand by your stupid, for all I care.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Static Froggy on May 23, 2007, 06:27:37 am
What I would like to see is a balance between various music videos shown. I remember in the late eighties and mid-nineties shows like Rap City and Yo! use to show different rap videos ranging from gangsta to conscious but it seems that when one type of rap blew up the rest was shoved to the back. I have no problems with gangsta rap (I still refer to it as "Hardcore Hip Hop"), but I would just like to see a balance of different rap styles represented on the music video tip.

Exactly.

Mainstream rap music before the mid-90s was simply more diverse and innovative.  If you didn't care for NWA or Snoop Dogg, you had alternatives like Will Smith, Run DMC, and Public Enemy.  And BET not only reflect this, but help encourage the range in the genre.

Now, mainstream rap is dominated by corporations that believe gangsta rap equals all of hip hop and will snub any act that doesn't fit this narrow view.  Once again, BET mirrors this trend.  Naturally, the network is getting criticized along with the corporations and sellout rappers who profit from the new status quo.

That's the issue.  Does BET and by extension hip hop stick with the current materialistic path?  Or will the network dare to take some risks that will defy people's expectations and result in real innovation?

zeraze
     you just totally took what I said. :(........i'm left with nothing

It's kind of sad when you have MASTER P telling you to "Ayo, clean yo sh*t up!"
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Catch22 on May 23, 2007, 08:38:59 am
What I would like to see is a balance between various music videos shown. I remember in the late eighties and mid-nineties shows like Rap City and Yo! use to show different rap videos ranging from gangsta to conscious but it seems that when one type of rap blew up the rest was shoved to the back. I have no problems with gangsta rap (I still refer to it as "Hardcore Hip Hop"), but I would just like to see a balance of different rap styles represented on the music video tip.

Exactly.

Mainstream rap music before the mid-90s was simply more diverse and innovative.  If you didn't care for NWA or Snoop Dogg, you had alternatives like Will Smith, Run DMC, and Public Enemy.  And BET not only reflect this, but help encourage the range in the genre.

Now, mainstream rap is dominated by corporations that believe gangsta rap equals all of hip hop and will snub any act that doesn't fit this narrow view.  Once again, BET mirrors this trend.  Naturally, the network is getting criticized along with the corporations and sellout rappers who profit from the new status quo.

That's the issue.  Does BET and by extension hip hop stick with the current materialistic path?  Or will the network dare to take some risks that will defy people's expectations and result in real innovation?

zeraze
     you just totally took what I said. :(........i'm left with nothing

It's kind of sad when you have MASTER P telling you to "Ayo, clean yo sh*t up!"

Master P's just posing...he contributed to the shyt that is now rap music and now he wants to condemn it.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jenn on May 23, 2007, 08:43:13 am
I don't remember No Limit being that bad in the grand scheme of things. Or maybe I'm just being blind because they gave us Mia X.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: bluezulu on May 23, 2007, 12:18:01 pm
No they were not that bad, but now P is middle aged. He has shown what the rap music can do. His son is a big success and will be hooping for USC, so now he has pimped the system for all that he can the only way to stay relevant is to do some sh*t like this. It wont work. The kids who grew up on his music are now young adults. How black folks mind work is wtf? who is this nigga to be preaching to me? Wasn't he the same mofo talking about bout it bout it rowdy rowdy and now that his a** is dried up he wants to start preaching? This is not going to work.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Catch22 on May 23, 2007, 12:57:52 pm
No they were not that bad, but now P is middle aged. He has shown what the rap music can do. His son is a big success and will be hooping for USC, so now he has pimped the system for all that he can the only way to stay relevant is to do some sh*t like this. It wont work. The kids who grew up on his music are now young adults. How black folks mind work is wtf? who is this nigga to be preaching to me? Wasn't he the same mofo talking about bout it bout it rowdy rowdy and now that his a** is dried up he wants to start preaching? This is not going to work.


Exactly. 
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 23, 2007, 02:57:49 pm
It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.

Z, you're too smart to say such ridiculous sh*t.

Prove me wrong that BET doesn't air minstrel rap, and I'll retract the statement.

zeraze



You don't need to retract it. Stand by your stupid, for all I care.

Struck a nerve?

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 23, 2007, 03:00:29 pm
No they were not that bad, but now P is middle aged. He has shown what the rap music can do. His son is a big success and will be hooping for USC, so now he has pimped the system for all that he can the only way to stay relevant is to do some sh*t like this. It wont work. The kids who grew up on his music are now young adults. How black folks mind work is wtf? who is this nigga to be preaching to me? Wasn't he the same mofo talking about bout it bout it rowdy rowdy and now that his a** is dried up he wants to start preaching? This is not going to work.


Exactly. 


Actually, Master P sounds like any parent who owns up to his past mistakes in hopes of preventing his kids from repeating them.  He's not alone since a lot of rap fans turned parents are going through similiar soul searching.

On that note, check out this relevent column:

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/bsh/viewtopic.php?t=5308&highlight=hip+hop

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Vic Vega on May 23, 2007, 03:30:17 pm
Of course we could have a Rap Video program that showed nothing but Bahamidia, Classic Native Tongues, Lupe Fiasco, Pharoe Monch, Dead Prez and Mos Def.

And no one will watch it. Maybe Reg can hire Cornel West to be a V.J., that might help.

One person's Minstrelsy is another's intentionally funny or just plain entertaining.

I'm no fan of Dem Franchise Boys. But my old self ain't the target market.
If I'm in a hip hop club at THIS stage of my life, you HAVE MY PERMISSION  to shoot me. :)   

BET is not and never has been a public affairs station to my knowledge. Its a business. Its in their intrest to give the kids more or less what they want. S and P considered, of course.

Really there isn't anything in those videos (as loathsome as many of them are) that are as destructive as poor parenting. The source from which all knuckle heads come.

Lets not take our eye off the ball here, shall we?     

IMUS got booted because he was live on public airwaves was deemed to be offensive and was thusly thrown under the bus by his bottom line bosses.

Pastor Tory only answers to Universal. Imus answered to his bosses and the public(those pesky airwaves again). THAT'S the difference.

end o' rant.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 23, 2007, 04:45:52 pm
Z, you said this:
It's hypocritical for Don Imus to be fired after calling Black women "nappy headed hos" when BET still airs minstrel rap videos that say far worse.
And then this:
Of course, Black people should be angry about Imus insulting Black people. I just think we shouldn't give a Black person a pass for doing the same thing.

It's all about consistency.
And this:
Prove me wrong that BET doesn't air minstrel rap, and I'll retract the statement.

I think I understand the point you're trying to make but, in retrospect, don't you think "hypocritical" is overstating things.  There is no equivalence between Imus' insult and airing rap videos on BET.  Or as Reginald put it:

Imus has been doing his racist bit on air for a long time;  probably before RAPPER'S DELIGHT came out.  To tie the two together is absurd.

Moving on, what do you think of this statement:
My solution to all this is not focus on banning things (even through BET has the most stringent rules of ANY network that airs music videos) but to create a wider range of programming that LEADS the culture without LEAVING it.  If art reflects society and we don't like what we see, why don't we focus on fixing the culture, and the cultural expression will follow.

I agree with that.  I don't believe BET or any other media outlet has the power to lead the culture.  They seek to profit from its expression.  There is no gateway power there.  Whatever it is, if people will watch it and advertisers will buy ads, it will get shown.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 23, 2007, 04:49:01 pm
Of course we could have a Rap Video program that showed nothing but Bahamidia, Classic Native Tongues, Lupe Fiasco, Pharoe Monch, Dead Prez and Mos Def.

And no one will watch it. Maybe Reg can hire Cornel West to be a V.J., that might help.
...
end o' rant.
Or not.  Dr. West may run off as many as he attracts.  Anyway, cosign that whole rant.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jenn on May 23, 2007, 07:12:31 pm
Struck a nerve?

More like a funny bone.

Quote
I don't believe BET or any other media outlet has the power to lead the culture.

Nor should they. That's not their responsibility. BET shows what the people want to see. If nigger-booty videos are what the viewers want, then nigger-booty videos are what the viewers get. There's a reason why "College Hill" is on its 4th season and "Season of the Tiger" went down in flames. Hudlin has to eat, too, so why the hell should BET waste millions of dollars in resources for programs that black folks aren't going to watch? It's much easier to bitch and moan about representation in Hollywood than to support films like "Akeelah and the Bee" or "The Gospel", both which did miserably in theaters.

I got into a ton of trouble once because I said that I don't watch BET (or read dot com, for that matter). But it's true - I don't, except for "Ballers". When things don't interest me, I turn them off. That's all these whiners need to do. You don't like BET? TURN IT OFF. If you can give me an hour-by-hour rundown of what's going on, then shut up.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 23, 2007, 09:54:42 pm
There was a great thread in the previous incarnation of this site called WHO'S A COON? 

What was interesting about it is the debate over...well, who is a coon.  There were a lot of names on that list that I disagreed with.

What may be painfully apparent to you as "minstrel rap" may not be to others.  Who gets to judge?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jenn on May 23, 2007, 11:09:39 pm
I was confronted in a parking lot today by a white woman who was very upset that her children heard me blasting a song with the word "nigger" in it. She more or less told me that it was blacks like me that made it hard for the black race. The song? "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey", by Sly & the Family Stone. She couldn't understand why I couldn't stop laughing.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on May 24, 2007, 12:17:13 pm
Of course we could have a Rap Video program that showed nothing but Bahamidia, Classic Native Tongues, Lupe Fiasco, Pharoe Monch, Dead Prez and Mos Def.

And no one will watch it. Maybe Reg can hire Cornel West to be a V.J., that might help.

One person's Minstrelsy is another's intentionally funny or just plain entertaining.



I think it would be better if videos by artists like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Pharoahe Monch, Dead Prez and the like run on the same music video show as Chamillionaire, Akon, 50 Cent, G-Unit, MIMS, Dem Franchize Boys, etc. Diversity is what's lacking in hip hop. It would be nice if there was at least one gusty program director who decided to think outside the box and show one music video and rap style that was unlike the rest you usually do see.

Not too long ago, I seen Mighty Casey's video "Black Rapping School" on Myspace. That video had me rolling, but you don't get diversity like that on any of the major music video outlets. If you want to see a music video where the artist is diverse as far theme, topic and style goes you have to watch it on youtube or something. Why not expose  the audience to something different every now and then? It's like if you feed your kid nothing but cornflakes when there are different breakfast cereals at the supermarket

Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Vic Vega on May 24, 2007, 04:23:16 pm
Co-sign. Variety IS the spice of life an all that.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: D- Ruck on May 24, 2007, 08:56:27 pm
hahahaha...
the song and the video are just funny.

nothing that would endear it to the "Playaz Club" fanz.

John Stewart: "The more I see, the more I do"
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Wise Son on May 25, 2007, 02:25:08 am
Of course we could have a Rap Video program that showed nothing but Bahamidia, Classic Native Tongues, Lupe Fiasco, Pharoe Monch, Dead Prez and Mos Def.

And no one will watch it.
True, but what's wrong with integrating the best of that stuff into the programming that already exists in exchange for dumping some of the worst of what's currently being broadcast?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Static Froggy on May 26, 2007, 12:03:53 pm
I was confronted in a parking lot today by a white woman who was very upset that her children heard me blasting a song with the word "nigger" in it. She more or less told me that it was blacks like me that made it hard for the black race. The song? "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey", by Sly & the Family Stone. She couldn't understand why I couldn't stop laughing.
     lmao....that's a pretty funny story my dude



but I like pantherfan's idea, I mean diversity is what seems to be lacking in the 00's

Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 28, 2007, 09:11:20 am
Moving on, what do you think of this statement:
My solution to all this is not focus on banning things (even through BET has the most stringent rules of ANY network that airs music videos) but to create a wider range of programming that LEADS the culture without LEAVING it.  If art reflects society and we don't like what we see, why don't we focus on fixing the culture, and the cultural expression will follow.


I agree with that.  I don't believe BET or any other media outlet has the power to lead the culture.  They seek to profit from its expression.  There is no gateway power there.  Whatever it is, if people will watch it and advertisers will buy ads, it will get shown.


Actually, I do think that the mass media BET included does influence society, negatively or positively depending on who is behind the scenes.  That's why I think it would be best for BET to expand the range of hip hop it shows.

Otherwise, the network will be reinforcing the image that hip hop is too far gone to be saved and thus must be destroyed.  Read this blog for more:

http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-we-cant-wait-words-and-images-have.html

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 28, 2007, 10:16:57 am
Essays like this really make me shake my head.  "Should we eradicate hip hop?".  As if they had some choice in the matter.  Questions like that show they don't really understand the issues.

I'm old enough to remember that record labels HATED hip hop.  They had complete contempt for it as music and as a commercial product.  Hip hop literally could not be stopped and those old guys who ignored it are all gone now.

So banning it, whether it be from television or the radio, won't stop it. A little thing called the internet is becoming the dominant form of consumption of hip hop anyway.  And we know that can't be policed.

Here's another had to accept fact:  you can't MAKE a hit.  You really can't.  If you could, the entertainment business would be a lot more profitable than it is.  But most books, movies, TV shows and albums FAIL because they CAN'T convince people to consume it, no matter how much they spend making it or selling it. I don't want to give specific names, but we support those "balance" artists when they come along and they sell...some times a little, some times a lot.  It depends on how appealing their music is. 

At the end of the day, you can't legislate art.  People will buy the "wrong" artist, and people will ignore the "right" artist.  This is not a BET issue, this is a life issue. 
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 28, 2007, 11:58:59 am
Essays like this really make me shake my head.  "Should we eradicate hip hop?".  As if they had some choice in the matter.  Questions like that show they don't really understand the issues.

This blogger starts out stating that very thing before hurtling into the hip hop must be stopped rant.

Here's the beginning of his blog post:
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A few weeks ago, one of my readers e-mailed me and indicated that he was a proponent of the total eradication of Hip Hop. In his mind, it could not be redeemed or saved, but was too destructive to be allowed to continue unchallenged.

At the time I thought his view was extreme. First, it is impossible to eradicate anything (“How‘s that War on Drugs going“). Second, Hip Hop is a broad musical genre and all Hip Hop artists aren’t spewing misogynistic lyrics . Third and most important, at that point in the development of this blog, I didn’t want to get into a debate with people about whether Hip Hop can be redeemed. I would have spent all of my time fighting off indignant Hip Hop apologists.

Points one and two are rock solid.  Three seems like a false debate as it assumes hip hop needs redemption.  The very next word in his piece is "However, ..." and it's as though he forgot his own preceding paragraphs. 

To me, the whole "let's eradicate hip hop" notion is missing the point anyway even if it wasn't impossible.  How about attacking misogyny and supporting women's rights?  Or better, just treat women fairly. 
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on May 28, 2007, 12:53:40 pm
I seen the essay myself and for the most part hip hop can't be eradicated or banned. For one, it's bigger than one individual to prohibit or legislate it. Hell, it's impossible to regulate art. It leads to censorship.

I also remember when rap wasn't played on the radio at all. If I wanted to hear rap, I would have to tune into college or a community radio station to hear it. In the eighties, they all thought rap was a fad that was going to go the way of the eight track tape.

I know this a whole period where in but a part longs for the days of Yo! MTV Raps and Rap City (circa early nineties) when their playlist was diverse and the debut of music videos had the whole big anticipation to them. The new music videos were almost like new movies coming out at the cinema, but hell, I'm in my thrities and I understand that this is a business and people have to pay bills and they're not doing it just for yours truly.   
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: wgreason on May 28, 2007, 02:10:40 pm


Is it possible for BET to give equally valuable time to Young Joc and Mos Def on a consistent basis? 
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 28, 2007, 06:12:35 pm
Sure.  Will Mos Def put out commercial music on a consistent basis?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: zeraze on May 28, 2007, 08:17:11 pm

Here's the beginning of his blog post:
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A few weeks ago, one of my readers e-mailed me and indicated that he was a proponent of the total eradication of Hip Hop. In his mind, it could not be redeemed or saved, but was too destructive to be allowed to continue unchallenged.

At the time I thought his view was extreme. First, it is impossible to eradicate anything (“How‘s that War on Drugs going“). Second, Hip Hop is a broad musical genre and all Hip Hop artists aren’t spewing misogynistic lyrics . Third and most important, at that point in the development of this blog, I didn’t want to get into a debate with people about whether Hip Hop can be redeemed. I would have spent all of my time fighting off indignant Hip Hop apologists.


Points one and two are rock solid.  Three seems like a false debate as it assumes hip hop needs redemption.  The very next word in his piece is "However, ..." and it's as though he forgot his own preceding paragraphs. 


The blogger adds the "However" because she's forced to rethink her position about reading the following essays:

 http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2007/05/rap-on-culture-why-cosby-was-right.html#links

http://www.policy-bridge.org/PolicyBridge_final_report%20on%20Culture%205-11-07.pdf

So, the blogger isn't being absent minded, but realizing the hard truth that Black people can't afford to make dumb decisions because we don't get 15 chances to get it right.

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To me, the whole "let's eradicate hip hop" notion is missing the point anyway even if it wasn't impossible.  How about attacking misogyny and supporting women's rights?  Or better, just treat women fairly. 


To be fair, there are White comic fans who argue that Black comic fans should focus on police brutality or institutional racism rather than comics...which doesn't have a race issue.

Denial is a powerful thing.

zeraze
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: wgreason on May 29, 2007, 02:47:06 am
Sure.  Will Mos Def put out commercial music on a consistent basis?

I wasn't aware he had stopped.  My wife and I were wondering why "There is a Way" and "Undeniable" wouldn't be considered commercial.

We might be working from a different definition from yours, Reg.

Could you share your definition, so I can improve my suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 29, 2007, 12:58:54 pm
The blogger adds the "However" because she's forced to rethink her position about reading the following essays:

 [url]http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2007/05/rap-on-culture-why-cosby-was-right.html#links[/url]

[url]http://www.policy-bridge.org/PolicyBridge_final_report%20on%20Culture%205-11-07.pdf[/url]

So, the blogger isn't being absent minded, but realizing the hard truth that Black people can't afford to make dumb decisions because we don't get 15 chances to get it right.


I stand corrected, the blogger is indeed a women.  My apologies.  Her switch to advocating the eradication of hip hop still doesn't make any sense to me.  Even in the PolicyBridge report, they aren't trying to blame it all on hip hop.  The line of argument in the report seems to be:

The blogger claims:
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According to this report, Hip Hop isn’t merely reflecting culture, it is driving culture and not in a good way.

By my reading of the report, this is simply not true.  The report makes no claim one way or the other about hip hop leading or reflecting the culture.  That's just not in the scope of the report.  She seems to be extrapolating in a dubious manner.

To me, the whole "let's eradicate hip hop" notion is missing the point anyway even if it wasn't impossible.  How about attacking misogyny and supporting women's rights?  Or better, just treat women fairly. 


To be fair, there are White comic fans who argue that Black comic fans should focus on police brutality or institutional racism rather than comics...which doesn't have a race issue.

Denial is a powerful thing.


Sure.  On the other hand, no one is advocating the eradication of comics.  That would be nearly as silly.  Does anyone really think that banning hip hop (hypothetically since the mind boggles at the absurdity of actually implementing such a ban in reality) would suddenly change the attitudes toward education or toward women?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on May 30, 2007, 02:40:55 pm
Sure.  Will Mos Def put out commercial music on a consistent basis?

Commericial music is too broad of a definition, though. I remember a track he had called "Ms Fat Booty". That had potential. As to why no one jumped on this is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 31, 2007, 09:32:23 am
Whhhaaaaaaaaaa?
Ms. Fat Booty got MUCH play!
thass my joint
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on May 31, 2007, 10:49:34 am
Whhhaaaaaaaaaa?
Ms. Fat Booty got MUCH play!
thass my joint

It did? Was it ever on the countdown?
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 31, 2007, 02:12:02 pm
...
106 & Park
or Top 25 Countdown.

definitely on a top 25 countdown.
definitely on the weekend Rap City countdown.

106 & park? i cant call it.
Title: Eazy E's greatest hits--
Post by: Hypestyle on June 01, 2007, 10:04:05 am
Anybody else pick up the "Eternal E: Gangsta Memorial Edition"?  I recently did, mainly because it has the old Eazy/NWA music videos..

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&pop=1
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Jihad the Roughneck on June 14, 2007, 11:32:58 am
Hey I have an idea for a petition howabout a petition for BET to support the real hip hop and not pop hop ? There's mad em cees that have more original stuff thats dope. Kweli, PE, KRS, De La, and Common. Just to name a few. Not to mention Brand Nubes, Kane , Rakim an nem. My only gripe with un cut was it came on right before the religion stuff that started early, bad combination. BET this is your opp. to one up VH1 and MTV who wouldn't know real black music culture if it kicked them square in the nuts. So how about an old school show with like Marley Marl when he gets better ot Red Alert. And also an underground show with the lesser known real em cees MF Doom, Juggaknots, Vast Aire and Kool Keith.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on June 15, 2007, 04:59:34 pm
Hey I have an idea for a petition howabout a petition for BET to support the real hip hop and not pop hop ? There's mad em cees that have more original stuff thats dope. Kweli, PE, KRS, De La, and Common. Just to name a few. Not to mention Brand Nubes, Kane , Rakim an nem. My only gripe with un cut was it came on right before the religion stuff that started early, bad combination. BET this is your opp. to one up VH1 and MTV who wouldn't know real black music culture if it kicked them square in the nuts. So how about an old school show with like Marley Marl when he gets better ot Red Alert. And also an underground show with the lesser known real em cees MF Doom, Juggaknots, Vast Aire and Kool Keith.

I remember they had a show for a time a few years back called "Black in The Day" where they would play old school hip hop and R&B. It seems like no one is interested in really in exposing or educating the kids on the groups or artists that paved the way for the ones that are getting mad airplay and video rotation.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Mastrmynd on June 19, 2007, 07:30:56 am
ray, i'm feelin' you on that Underground emcees show.
i think it might work.
give it an earlier time than uncut but keep it late.
a yo! mtv raps type show for underground rappers on BET.
nniiiice.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: Pantherfan on June 20, 2007, 04:03:47 pm
ray, i'm feelin' you on that Underground emcees show.
i think it might work.
give it an earlier time than uncut but keep it late.
a yo! mtv raps type show for underground rappers on BET.
nniiiice.

I think the only way a show like that would work is if you have a new school cat hosting it and talking about his inspirations. That way a show like this can serve as a bridge and not appear alienating to another part of BET's demographic.
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: BlackRodimus on August 25, 2007, 04:20:34 pm
Sounds like its too hard for parents to teach their kids right and wrong and how to decide for themselves, so the next best thing is to block everything they think is objectionable.  ::)
Title: Re: Anti-Gangsta Rap Petition Begun, directed at BET
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on August 25, 2007, 08:01:45 pm
As an aside, I think it would be interesting if Reggie provided the petition with the 10,000 signatures of those who wanted to bring uncut back. It would make an interesting point of contrast to say the least.