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Title: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: bluezulu on June 04, 2007, 04:06:04 pm
This thread is set up in anticipation of the new upcoming New Warriors Series. Since we are in support of black talent at Marvel I thought it would be cool to sticky this thread much like McDuffie's F/f thread. Like that thread feel free to post specific subjects in your own thread but for general discussion use this one.

Hear from yall on Wednesday/Thursday. :)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: JLI Jesse on June 04, 2007, 08:22:34 pm
to tell the truth, my interest in the New Warriors ended when Marvel blew them up
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on June 05, 2007, 05:15:31 am
no spoilers in this comment, but I saw the advanced copy at my store and I can't say I saw anything in it that made me want to buy the book.  Now, when this first arc is all done and it's collected in a Trade, I might love it.  I will probably re-check the book tmr and maybe changed my mind, but what I saw in an first issue, didn't catch my interest.  (Of course, my wallet appreciates that.)







With this comment, a tiny spoiler--for a team book, I want to see the team.  (Or at least be interested in the spotlighted character and their story.)  His Vindicator's book caught my eye with just a flip through; this hasn't.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 06, 2007, 02:11:23 pm
I am gonna jump on this for the first 12 issues and see how it pans out...
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on June 06, 2007, 06:09:05 pm
Just finished reading the first issue and I thought it was good for a beginning.  I enjoyed the writing and the art.  I will at least follow it through the first story arc.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Hulkster on June 06, 2007, 08:22:08 pm
Just finished reading the first issue and I thought it was good for a beginning.  I enjoyed the writing and the art.  I will at least follow it through the first story arc.

Yea, I think that the writing is so far pretty good and I still remain interested.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: kitamu Re on June 06, 2007, 11:15:55 pm
pretty good first issue, got me interested enough to buy the second issue( can't say the same for uncanny #486). If that is thrash under the hood then I am definitely in for the long haul. Oh and the writing and story were A-level.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on June 07, 2007, 08:51:25 am
I couldn't buy it this week. I hope there are still copies next week. But whoa, I didn't expect these guys to be in it.  :o Kevin's been keeping track of Marvel.

But what good is an ex-mutant on the team?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: bluezulu on June 07, 2007, 11:46:18 am
Man I don't know what some comic fans are looking for but what I like this book had it all. Good work Kevin. This looks like it is going right up to the top of my pull list. I actually think that this book has a good nich for itself with marvel crazily ditching the Young Avengers like it has. I mean im not sure if marvel has room for two teen books but The New Warriors can creep into the Young Avengers territory if Kevin keeps up the good stories like this.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on June 08, 2007, 08:40:26 am
Here is a good review of issue number one.  It contains spoilers if you haven’t read the comic yet.

http://aboutheroes.com/content/2007/06/new_warriors_1_review.php

New Warriors #1 Review
Posted by EvilOmar on June 7, 2007 8:19 AM

Author: Kevin Grevioux
Penciler: Paco Medina
Inker: Juan Vlasco
Colors: Marte Gracia

From listening to our podcasts or just reading some of my reviews, you know how much I loved the original New Warriors series. It's up there amongst my favorite comics of all time. So when they turned the team that I loved into sh*t in volume 2 and then utter sh*t in volume 3, you pretty much know what my expectations were when I heard about Volume 4. Not only did they kill 3 core members in Civil war (Speedball is dead. f*ck Penance!), but the writer on volume 4 was a Hollywood screenwriter. I wanted to hate this; I really wanted to hate this.

It was a little goofy to at the beginning when Wondra yelling at Grey Gargoyle to: "Tell them. Tell your friends. Tell everyone. This is only the beginning." Reminded me of Batman. Actually all that was missing from those lines was: "I'm Batman!" But, what really hooked me was the fact that we get to see an author finally use some of those depowered mutants from M day. We are reunited with Sofia Mantega (Wind Dancer from the New X-men) and Barnell Bohusk (Beak from Morrison's New X-men). It is here that Sofia is contacted by the New Warriors and offered a spot on the team. Supervillians are found tied up with New Warriors graffiti everywhere by the New York Police department. As she is teleported to the home base, she is greeted by the original leader of the New Warriors Night Thrasher. Whether this is the original Dwayne Taylor is unknown right now, but hell one can only hope.

We know where these kids stand, we know they are against the idea of the Initiative, so I like them already. Sofia and Barnell were more likeable in this single issue then their entire run on their significant books. Seeing the two get reunited and Sofia's surprised look when she found out who Barnell used to be was priceless. Grevioux does a really nice job of making these characters more realistic and as stated earlier likeable. What really got me excited is the possible return of Night Thrasher, because after all who is to say he was the one that died in Stamford. Sure this team needs is Namorita, Hindsight Lad, and Firestar/Marvelboy, but even without those wonderful characters showing up, for some reason I find myself already hooked. As far as the story is concerned everything was perfect, just wish they had at least introduced all the key characters that will make up the team. I hope this doesn't go the way of recent team books that take at least 6 issues before the team is complete.

Medina's art has only gotten better with time. He is the perfect artist for this book. The characters look sharp and proportioned. Reminiscent of Mark Brooks or Ale Garza, but it still retains Medina's own style. My only complaint is the look of Barnell, who even as a human was portrayed a big nose skinny guy. In this book he is a handsome looking guy, but I don't know if Medina or Grievioux is to blame. The colors are wonderful and make the environments come alive. At a time when a gallon of gas is more than a price of one comic book, it's really hard to get into new books, but I have now regained my faith in Marvel and their handling of the New Warriors.

A- Kudos to Grievioux for not making this anything like Underworld.

Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on June 17, 2007, 01:13:02 pm
New Warriors #2 First Look

http://www.popcultureshock.com/new-warriors-2-first-look/41993/
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: bluezulu on June 18, 2007, 12:12:29 am
That is some nice looking art.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Static Froggy on June 18, 2007, 12:34:41 am
That is some nice looking art.
yea paco medina is a dope artist
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on June 18, 2007, 06:07:09 am
That is some nice looking art.
yea paco medina is a dope artist
I agree.  The art is awesome.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 20, 2007, 10:59:50 am
That is some nice looking art.
yea paco medina is a dope artist
I agree.  The art is awesome.

Absolutely.I cosign that.I also echo the kudos on the sentiment that kevin didn't make this like UNDERWORLD.Terrific approach.Who was the X-dude kissing ole gurl? Hell,who was ole gurl he was kissing too?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on June 20, 2007, 11:04:34 am
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=117312

New Warriors #1 Sells Out @ Diamond

Press Release

Marvel is happy to announce that New Warriors #1 has sold out at Diamond (though copies may still be available at the retail level), signaling a triumphant return of Marvel’s fan favorite super hero team. Writer Kevin Grievoux and artist Paco Medina’s Initiative tie-in, New Warriors #1, re-imagines the young Marvel team and positions them against Iron Man’s pro-registration regime. The series also features the enigmatic resurrection of former New Warriors leader, Night Thrasher, and the return of a few fan-favorite former mutants who are struggling to live without powers in the post-Civil War world.

"We're thrilled by the news," says Executive Editor Axel Alonso. "All the guys -- Kevin, Paco, Juan and Marte -- all brought their passion and their A-game to the book, and I think it shows."

Richard George of IGN.com calls New Warriors #1 a “must read,” stating. “The characters are incredible and Paco Medina's art is astonishing…This could very well be the next Young Avengers or Runaways.”
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Wise Son on June 26, 2007, 01:09:42 am
From the review:
I wanted to hate this; I really wanted to hate this.
Is this just not a quintessential fanboy comment? 'I think this will suck, I want it to suck, and I will keep buying it so I can bitch about how much it sucks.'
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on June 26, 2007, 06:18:14 am
From the review:
I wanted to hate this; I really wanted to hate this.
Is this just not a quintessential fanboy comment? 'I think this will suck, I want it to suck, and I will keep buying it so I can bitch about how much it sucks.'
I think the guy was really pissed at how the New Warriors were handled during the Civil War.  I don't know that I blame him because if I was a big New Warriors fan I probably would of been upset.  Now the New Warriors are one of the foundations in which the post Civil War Marvel Universe is built upon and they may become more popular than ever before.  I think this guy saw that fact when he actually read the comic.   
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Hypestyle on June 26, 2007, 07:12:03 am
too bad this isn't an animated series..
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rasmane on June 26, 2007, 07:55:26 pm
Quote
Kudos to Grievioux for not making this anything like Underworld.

Gimme a break. ::) The dude's obviously got more than one story in him...
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on July 06, 2007, 05:12:48 am
O.K. So now we know how the ex-mutants can still use superpowers. Now who saw that coming?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on July 06, 2007, 06:55:24 am
After that terrific issue number #1, the second kind of drags and really doesn’t reveal much except what Open Palm stated in his post.  The characterization and art where still top notch but I was hoping for more from this issue.  I am getting the feeling that it may take many issues before we are finally introduced to the whole team and can start to get to know them.   
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: bluezulu on July 06, 2007, 09:58:09 am
I kind of like the slow build up. I cant wait to see where all of this heads.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on July 14, 2007, 06:45:57 am
Art from New Warriors #3 from Comics Continuum
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/12/firsts.htm
New Warriors #3 will arrive in stores on August 1 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Kevin Grevious, with art by Paco Medina and a cover by Nic Klein.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"Sofia and Wondra face off as the New Warriors respond to Tony Stark's offer of amnesty. But will they accept or reject it? Meanwhile, Detectives Sykes and Givens uncover a shocking mystery about the death of the original New Warriors, and a former member may hold the key. Plus, Wolverine shows up...and he ain't happy!"

New Warriors #3 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.


May Contain Spoilers!!!!!!
Possible Spoilers!!!





























(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/12/newwarriors31.jpg)
(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/12/newwarriors39.jpg)
(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/12/newwarriors310.jpg)
(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/12/newwarriors315.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on July 14, 2007, 06:15:39 pm
Holy sh*t! Jubilee's the one who shrunk the Gray Gargoyle!? :D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 17, 2007, 04:16:24 am
i don't think Night Trasher is the real one. There is too much anticipation leading us on thinking that its the real Thrasher.

The new Trasher is white. I'm calling it now, lol!
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: masigl4179 on July 17, 2007, 10:43:49 am
I want this new Night Thrasher to be the original Night Thrasher and I'm hoping it will come true since a brother is writing this title.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on July 17, 2007, 02:45:47 pm
I want this new Night Thrasher to be the original Night Thrasher and I'm hoping it will come true since a brother is writing this title.

My money is on it being the original Night Thrasher.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on July 17, 2007, 02:47:49 pm
I want this new Night Thrasher to be the original Night Thrasher and I'm hoping it will come true since a brother is writing this title.

My money is on it being the original Night Thrasher.
I hope so.  I also hope they reveal him soon.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 17, 2007, 05:54:44 pm
same here, I hope so to. But i read a description of the character rouster on an CBR article (or was it newsrama?) that the only black character of color on the team was gonna be female. I'm hoping that Trasher is the same guy, but dammit... i dunno. Hope I'm wrong.

Edit. Okay, maybe I am wrong. I just found this cover for issue 5 of New Warriors. Looks like Trasher is a brutha to me.

(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/17/newwarriors5.jpg)
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/17/newwarriors5.jpg
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: D- Ruck on July 19, 2007, 05:54:51 pm
i don't think Night Trasher is the real one. There is too much anticipation leading us on thinking that its the real Thrasher.

The new Trasher is white. I'm calling it now, lol!

That's what I was thinking when I saw him at the end of the issue
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on July 20, 2007, 02:58:20 am
It would be interesting if the brotha writing this story decides not to make Night Thrasher a brotha. Then again, he might not have a choice as Marvel editorial may have already made the decision for him. At any rate, I too am ready for him to be unmasked so we know for sure.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on July 27, 2007, 09:17:23 am
Guys, after reading the "First Look" of New Warriors #3 provided by Comics Continuum, I am really starting to believe that BP may be funding the New Warriors.  If you don't mind SPOILERS check out the preview by following the link and scrolling down.  You can also check out some of the other previews.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/27/marvelfirsts.htm
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on July 27, 2007, 10:51:07 am
Damn. I'm glad I decided to pick up this title. This is probably going to end up one of my favorite books this year if the wriing and art keeps up at this pace.  :)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on July 27, 2007, 07:06:33 pm
I always knew Jubilee would grow bigger boobs than Shadowcat.  :)

O.K. Maybe the Night Thrasher at Stamford was a Skrull. Or maybe that was a doppleganger.

Or the remains are faked, and the real one was teleported away after the explosion. If so, why didn't Ngiht Thrasher tell anyone he's still alive? Was it to avoid the hysteria that claimed Speedball? Would Night Thrasher have bailed out on his friends like that?

Curiouser and curiouser.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 29, 2007, 07:06:39 am
I always knew Jubilee would grow bigger boobs than Shadowcat.  :)

That was my first thought, lol! I love that five/six issue mini-series that Jubilee had that was written by Kirkman. (Well, maybe I am biased because she 'was' with a brutha, haha! But yeah, those boobs grew real quick. A result of HoM? Hmm..... this needs further investigating.

Ha! I'm not right.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: JLI Jesse on July 29, 2007, 11:33:51 am
I always knew Jubilee would grow bigger boobs than Shadowcat.  :)

That was my first thought, lol! I love that five/six issue mini-series that Jubilee had that was written by Kirkman. (Well, maybe I am biased because she 'was' with a brutha, haha! But yeah, those boobs grew real quick. A result of HoM? Hmm..... this needs further investigating.

Ha! I'm not right.

We are on different pages cause, while I love Kirkman and Jubilee, I hated the series...lasted 2 issues before I dropped it.

I do think it is strange that after being such a huge part of the x-men and loving them like family for so long, she has little to do with them these days.  You'd think that after M Day, she'd go back and help them out and see if everyone is ok, etc.

Or am I crazy  :P
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 29, 2007, 01:12:10 pm
You missed the main point of my post, Jubilee was with the brutha. The brutha! Got to show the support for the BRUTHA!!!!!

Lol, like I said, I'm not that right. ;D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: JLI Jesse on July 30, 2007, 01:40:15 pm
You missed the main point of my post, Jubilee was with the brutha. The brutha! Got to show the support for the BRUTHA!!!!!

Lol, like I said, I'm not that right. ;D

She did have a thing for Synch remember...I see a trend
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 30, 2007, 07:33:29 pm
somebody get this man's email and inform him of this breaking development! Jubilee likes the brutha's!
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Yaw on July 31, 2007, 10:07:44 am
You missed the main point of my post, Jubilee was with the brutha. The brutha! Got to show the support for the BRUTHA!!!!!

Lol, like I said, I'm not that right. ;D

She did have a thing for Synch remember...I see a trend

if you glance at her most recent miniseries you will see that her love interest is yet again a Black man out in LA.  There is a X-Men Unlimited story where she takes interest in a white skateboarder dude but he brushes her off and calles her a mutie.  I guess he scarred her for life.  :P 
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on July 31, 2007, 11:37:47 am
Did you guys every see the anime movie “Otaku No Video”?  In between the animated story of fan obsession are interviews with weird fixated anime fans discussing how much they love female anime characters.  You guys are starting to creep me out like the fans interviewed in that movie.  ;D   

Now let me go watch my "Dirty Pair" DVDs.  Love that Kei and Yuri.  ;)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 01, 2007, 05:01:46 am
Guys, after reading the "First Look" of New Warriors #3 provided by Comics Continuum, I am really starting to believe that BP may be funding the New Warriors.

I hope that doesn't turn out to be true, bc this sends BP in a direction that I really don't want to see.  If Black Panther is supporting New Warriors, that makes him a "an enemy of the United States" and puts him on the level of the CIA doing things people don't like. 

Right now, the SHRA is law and is the new status quo at Marvel and it is supported by the majority of Americans (per Marvel's management).  For BP to support New Warriors in a finacial and or technological way, means he--a foreign power--is actively trying to destabolize the United States (and yes, that's exactly what New Warriors is about--rebellion). (This is especially true when with his public face he is working with the FF, a team that is under SHRA now and then he supports a team that is not only not-registered but actively acting against it.) 

This isn't the same as during Civil War when the direction of Marvel was in question.  We now know.  As far as Marvel is concerned SHRA is a good thing and it is the direction of the MU for the time being.  (And let's face it, the logic of the anti-registration heroes hasn't actually made a whole lot of sense either, esp. for the New Avengers.)  [Now, i'm not saying I like the SHRA, but it's the new status quo.]

If this is found out, (and even if it is not), BP has just justified US action against Wakanda.  It would make it impossible to have BP operating in the US--overtly, like on the FF.  He has done something that the US gov't would not simply ignore and I for one don't care to read for "REAL" US/Wakanda war or conflict.  Poltical manuevering can be a fun read--direct opposition has implications that would send BP in a direction i'd rather not see.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 01, 2007, 08:01:31 am
Very good points.  If BP is funding the NW, he is playing a very dangerous game. 
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on August 01, 2007, 08:14:50 am
Did you guys every see the anime movie “Otaku No Video”?  In between the animated story of fan obsession are interviews with weird fixated anime fans discussing how much they love female anime characters.  You guys are starting to creep me out like the fans interviewed in that movie.  ;D   

Now let me go watch my "Dirty Pair" DVDs.  Love that Kei and Yuri.  ;)

I've got a copy of "Otaku no Video".  :) The fact that we're speculating this much proves how well Kevin has grabbed our attention.  :D

Have fun with the Dirty Pair. You know that Yuri becomes the mother of Crusher Joe?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 01, 2007, 04:42:43 pm
Did you guys every see the anime movie “Otaku No Video”?  In between the animated story of fan obsession are interviews with weird fixated anime fans discussing how much they love female anime characters.  You guys are starting to creep me out like the fans interviewed in that movie.  ;D   

Now let me go watch my "Dirty Pair" DVDs.  Love that Kei and Yuri.  ;)


I've got a copy of "Otaku no Video".  :) The fact that we're speculating this much proves how well Kevin has grabbed our attention.  :D

Have fun with the Dirty Pair. You know that Yuri becomes the mother of Crusher Joe?

Yep.  I did hear about that there was a connection between the the Dirty Pair and Crusher Joe.
(http://www.awn.com/mag/issue1.5/images/beck/beckstreamline3.gif)
O.K.  You guys can now get back to talking about NW.  :)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on August 02, 2007, 01:04:03 am
Guys, after reading the "First Look" of New Warriors #3 provided by Comics Continuum, I am really starting to believe that BP may be funding the New Warriors.

I hope that doesn't turn out to be true, bc this sends BP in a direction that I really don't want to see.  If Black Panther is supporting New Warriors, that makes him a "an enemy of the United States" and puts him on the level of the CIA doing things people don't like. 

Right now, the SHRA is law and is the new status quo at Marvel and it is supported by the majority of Americans (per Marvel's management).  For BP to support New Warriors in a finacial and or technological way, means he--a foreign power--is actively trying to destabolize the United States (and yes, that's exactly what New Warriors is about--rebellion). (This is especially true when with his public face he is working with the FF, a team that is under SHRA now and then he supports a team that is not only not-registered but actively acting against it.) 

This isn't the same as during Civil War when the direction of Marvel was in question.  We now know.  As far as Marvel is concerned SHRA is a good thing and it is the direction of the MU for the time being.  (And let's face it, the logic of the anti-registration heroes hasn't actually made a whole lot of sense either, esp. for the New Avengers.)  [Now, i'm not saying I like the SHRA, but it's the new status quo.]

If this is found out, (and even if it is not), BP has just justified US action against Wakanda.  It would make it impossible to have BP operating in the US--overtly, like on the FF.  He has done something that the US gov't would not simply ignore and I for one don't care to read for "REAL" US/Wakanda war or conflict.  Poltical manuevering can be a fun read--direct opposition has implications that would send BP in a direction i'd rather not see.

Actualy, it's exactly the same as when he was funding Cap against Tony in CW. He was supporting a team of outlaws against the State who were rebelling against the law of the land. Thus, BP could be considered as a a foreign power actively trying to destabolize the US. That 's one of the reasons there are U.S. aircraft carriers parked off of the coast of Wakanda. And lets not forget that CW is not the first time T'Challa has done things that can be percieved as agressive to the U.S.. He brought the stock market to the brink of a crash in Priest's BP run and he has parked Wakandan battleships, not once, but twice in American territory. Also the CIA has attempted to infiltrate Wakanda before and failed (see the Panther's Prey run).

Bottom line is that T'Challa has shown he will do what he feels he must for Wakanda and his pricinciples. He isn't afraid of the U.S.'s covert or overt actions against him or Wakanda as it has somewhat of more technologically advance weapons and equiptment anyway.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 02, 2007, 05:09:10 am
Guys, after reading the "First Look" of New Warriors #3 provided by Comics Continuum, I am really starting to believe that BP may be funding the New Warriors.

I hope that doesn't turn out to be true, bc this sends BP in a direction that I really don't want to see.  If Black Panther is supporting New Warriors, that makes him a "an enemy of the United States" and puts him on the level of the CIA doing things people don't like. 

Right now, the SHRA is law and is the new status quo at Marvel and it is supported by the majority of Americans (per Marvel's management).  For BP to support New Warriors in a finacial and or technological way, means he--a foreign power--is actively trying to destabolize the United States (and yes, that's exactly what New Warriors is about--rebellion). (This is especially true when with his public face he is working with the FF, a team that is under SHRA now and then he supports a team that is not only not-registered but actively acting against it.) 

This isn't the same as during Civil War when the direction of Marvel was in question.  We now know.  As far as Marvel is concerned SHRA is a good thing and it is the direction of the MU for the time being.  (And let's face it, the logic of the anti-registration heroes hasn't actually made a whole lot of sense either, esp. for the New Avengers.)  [Now, i'm not saying I like the SHRA, but it's the new status quo.]

If this is found out, (and even if it is not), BP has just justified US action against Wakanda.  It would make it impossible to have BP operating in the US--overtly, like on the FF.  He has done something that the US gov't would not simply ignore and I for one don't care to read for "REAL" US/Wakanda war or conflict.  Poltical manuevering can be a fun read--direct opposition has implications that would send BP in a direction i'd rather not see.

Actualy, it's exactly the same as when he was funding Cap against Tony in CW. He was supporting a team of outlaws against the State who were rebelling against the law of the land. Thus, BP could be considered as a a foreign power actively trying to destabolize the US. That 's one of the reasons there are U.S. aircraft carriers parked off of the coast of Wakanda. And lets not forget that CW is not the first time T'Challa has done things that can be percieved as agressive to the U.S.. He brought the stock market to the brink of a crash in Priest's BP run and he has parked Wakandan battleships, not once, but twice in American territory. Also the CIA has attempted to infiltrate Wakanda before and failed (see the Panther's Prey run).

Bottom line is that T'Challa has shown he will do what he feels he must for Wakanda and his pricinciples. He isn't afraid of the U.S.'s covert or overt actions against him or Wakanda as it has somewhat of more technologically advance weapons and equiptment anyway.

The reason I saw it as "not the same" is because to us readers, we did not know how marvel planned to play out CW and SHRA.  If SHRA was knocked out by the end of CW, T'challa's actions would have been seen as like helping Mandella (sp?) in South America--a fighting for human rights.  Inside the comic world, that might not matter but to the readers, we'd see it as different.  But Marvel has decided to go the route that SHRA does not oppress human rights and now, we have to view T'challa's actions as being against US's "military" might. 

And while I may make sense for t'challa to do these things, if the writers of FF, BP and New Warriors want to write him that way, then they have to write him that way.  He can't play the visiting foreign hero in the US and foreign supversive agent in US at the same time.  (He can play foreign supversive agent prentending to care about America while playing the Hero, but he can't be the authentic hero and backstab us at the same time.)  If he is supporting NW, then that's what he is doing and thus I'd rather see him back home where he would be an authentic hero in Wakanda rather than playing two-face hero in the US.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on August 02, 2007, 12:36:26 pm
The reason I saw it as "not the same" is because to us readers, we did not know how marvel planned to play out CW and SHRA.  If SHRA was knocked out by the end of CW, T'challa's actions would have been seen as like helping Mandella (sp?) in South America--a fighting for human rights.  Inside the comic world, that might not matter but to the readers, we'd see it as different.  But Marvel has decided to go the route that SHRA does not oppress human rights and now, we have to view T'challa's actions as being against US's "military" might. 

And while I may make sense for t'challa to do these things, if the writers of FF, BP and New Warriors want to write him that way, then they have to write him that way.  He can't play the visiting foreign hero in the US and foreign supversive agent in US at the same time.  (He can play foreign supversive agent prentending to care about America while playing the Hero, but he can't be the authentic hero and backstab us at the same time.)  If he is supporting NW, then that's what he is doing and thus I'd rather see him back home where he would be an authentic hero in Wakanda rather than playing two-face hero in the US.

I guess I disagree with you reasoning because I disagree that all Marvel fans believe that SHRA was the right thing to do. I don't believe Marvel convinced everyone that SHRA doesn't oppress human rights. I'm not totally convinced they believe it either, it's just that this story arc of Cap losing (which happened only because he just up and quit, BTW) was a more controversial storyline to follow for sales. At least that's my belief. In fact, the very thing the New Warriors are doing is attempting to prove that SHRA is wrong hence, they are operating just as Cap did in CW. Accept their rubbing Tony's nose in it.

As far as BP being "two face" I don't really think he is being so if he is supporting a group that is fighting a system that could potentially be unjust as well as perform other actions to help the US in other areas. Again, remember that BP mainly does things based on how it benefits Wakanda and his companions. If he is being subversive in one area of US infrastructure and openly supporting something else, I don't think fans should see this as him falling far from the mark of how the character has been depicted in the past, especially after Priest wrote him.

BTW, you did mean that T'Challa's actions would be seen as like Mandella fighting for human rights in South Africa, not South America, right?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 02, 2007, 01:15:21 pm
I guess I disagree with you reasoning because I disagree that all Marvel fans believe that SHRA was the right thing to do. I don't believe Marvel convinced everyone that SHRA doesn't oppress human rights. I'm not totally convinced they believe it either, it's just that this story arc of Cap losing (which happened only because he just up and quit, BTW) was a more controversial storyline to follow for sales. At least that's my belief. In fact, the very thing the New Warriors are doing is attempting to prove that SHRA is wrong hence, they are operating just as Cap did in CW. Accept their rubbing Tony's nose in it.

As far as BP being "two face" I don't really think he is being so if he is supporting a group that is fighting a system that could potentially be unjust as well as perform other actions to help the US in other areas. Again, remember that BP mainly does things based on how it benefits Wakanda and his companions. If he is being subversive in one area of US infrastructure and openly supporting something else, I don't think fans should see this as him falling far from the mark of how the character has been depicted in the past, especially after Priest wrote him.

BTW, you did mean that T'Challa's actions would be seen as like Mandella fighting for human rights in South Africa, not South America, right?

I might be talking myself in circles here (bc I don't like SHRA either, but I don't think it's a human-rights violation) and kindof losing my point.  I just think having BP supporting NW's puts him in a direction I'd rather not see.  I prefer Black Panther the Hero-King, rather than the schemer.  (And I don't mean the Batman kind of schemer--that I like.  It's the Tony Stark kind of scheming in CW that I don't like.  To me, BP is better than that and doesn't need to resort to those means because he's smart and moral enough to find a better way.)

And yeah, I was so focused on trying to spell Mandella's name right, I didn't doublecheck the rest.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 03, 2007, 04:44:54 am
Bottom line is that T'Challa has shown he will do what he feels he must for Wakanda and his pricinciples. He isn't afraid of the U.S.'s covert or overt actions against him or Wakanda as it has somewhat of more technologically advance weapons and equiptment anyway.
Total agreement here.  T’Challa is a cat with big ass balls.  He is not afraid to do whatever he has to do to protect his people.  I don’t think that makes him less of a hero.  It makes him more of a hero.  The U.S. just doesn’t scare this man.  He has the wits and tools to play with the big boys and he plays for keeps.

What did you guys think of NW #3? 
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: bluezulu on August 03, 2007, 06:11:59 am
New Warriors 3 was a great read. Grevioux can really really write. This issue was the best yet and it begins to show who the team members are and gives us hints if that is Dwayne in the Night Thrasher suit. I will love to find out how he survived the blast. I think KG knows his comics and this is going to be a good run here. Any one knows how this book is selling?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 03, 2007, 07:05:46 am
I thought it was very good.  I guess this new team has totally technology based powers.  The mystery with Night Thrasher is making me impatient in a good way.  I want to read more.  Issue #4 can’t come soon enough for me.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on August 03, 2007, 08:40:47 pm
Well, at least we know now that BP isn't bankrolling them. In fact, I am sorta thinking Night Thrasher's brother maybe playing his brother's role because now the police won't suspect it's him.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 04, 2007, 07:18:11 am
Well, at least we know now that BP isn't bankrolling them. In fact, I am sorta thinking Night Thrasher's brother maybe playing his brother's role because now the police won't suspect it's him.
I still wonder if there is some kind of connection since Thrasher had vibranium in his costume.  Hopefully by the end of this story arc we will have all the answers.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on August 04, 2007, 11:22:55 am
I'm still not convinced that its the original Trash. It could be his brother using some kind of hologram technology to make himself appear crippled... but then again, it could be Thrasher since there was a 95 percent confirmation that his voice matched. With the gold visor covering his face in issues 1 and 2, it wouldn't surprise me if that it is Thrasher, he might be 'Spawned out'.

Either way, I am intrigued.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 05, 2007, 08:16:40 am
Kevin is writing the hell out of this book!
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 08, 2007, 10:25:22 am
i haven't read a reply, but i needed to post this.
I. LOVE. NEW WARRIORS.

I just read #3. After i post this, i will have my lcs add it to my pull list.

Do i need to search for 1 and 2?  Is it THAT crucial?

great book.
the artwork reminds me of humberto ramos (i loved that guys stuff on that 2099 book he used to draw for)

now let me read your comments.

oh yeah... jubilee is back?  that's what's up. and that's gotta be the real night thrasher.  I didnt know he was rockin' a vibranium mesh jumpsuit.

and the brother will probably finance the group in the future.  i can just feel it.  i hope so.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Lion on August 20, 2007, 11:58:52 am
Started getting this book. A few things...

1.) He's done more with Jubilee character-wise in three issues than anyone else has done with her in the past 15 years. It's about time she's had a role other than "Wolverine-bait" or "Valley-girl." I mean... Not only is she apparently running the crew, but she's taking on Tony Stark.

2.) I think Bandit is the guy in the Night Thrasher costume. I'll go a step further... I think he was the one in it when the Stamford disaster hit. Take a look at Thrasher's costume on the exam table. Most of the damage is below the knees. (Hmmmm... like a certain guy later in the issue.) It also explains the partial DNA matches... and the "accident" that claimed Bandit's legs...

I can't wait to see how this all unfolds. My only complaint about the book is Beak... Yeah, he's less annoying now, but I still want him dead.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 21, 2007, 09:43:51 am
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/21/marvelnov.htm

NEW WARRIORS #6 

Written by Kevin Grevioux, penciled by Paco Medina, cover by Nic Klein.

With one team member dead, and another in the ICU, a distraught Night Thrasher disbands the New Warriors. But will Jubilee take this lying down? Meanwhile, Detectives Sykes and Givens discover the terrifying secret of who's really behind the new New Warriors.

32 pages, $2.99.


(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/21/newwarriors6.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 24, 2007, 09:31:07 am
i want jubes to get her powers back.

and what were bandit's powers?

and why was he rockin' his brother's costume in the last run?
where was the real night thrasher?

hmmm?

so did he assume the role when his brother almost got killed?

and did we ever see his legs in the wheelchair or were his pants pinned closed?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on August 31, 2007, 05:32:39 pm
Six page preview of New Warriors #4 available by browsing to the link below and scrolling down.  You can also check out some of the other cool previews.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/31/marvelfirsts.htm

(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/31/newwarriors41.jpg) 

Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on August 31, 2007, 10:15:07 pm
Started getting this book. A few things...

1.) He's done more with Jubilee character-wise in three issues than anyone else has done with her in the past 15 years. It's about time she's had a role other than "Wolverine-bait" or "Valley-girl." I mean... Not only is she apparently running the crew, but she's taking on Tony Stark.


Yeah, our little Jubes has grown up. It makes me want to cry! *Sniff*
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i want jubes to get her powers back.

And I want Shadowcat back with Peter Wisdom. Ain't gonna happen, wot?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on September 02, 2007, 07:39:53 pm
Six page preview of New Warriors #4 available by browsing to the link below and scrolling down.  You can also check out some of the other cool previews.

[url]http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/31/marvelfirsts.htm[/url]



O.K. It looks like Wakanda has a stronger connection to this group.

Hmm. The Marvel American cops are much smarter now. DC's American investigators weren't this smart in tracking down Batman? R'as Al Ghul did it fine, but not the DC Feds. Or maybe Wayne just bribed some of them to stay away.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on September 04, 2007, 08:35:29 pm
Man, Thursday can't get here fast enough. I'm itching to get my hands on this new issue! Those preview pages weren't enough, I WISH I NEVER SAW EM (cause all it did was increase the desire more for the book, but alas...)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 05, 2007, 05:18:32 am
And I want Shadowcat back with Peter Wisdom. Ain't gonna happen, wot?

shudder; vote no, a thousand times over.  Never liked Pete Wisdom in the first place (maybe because he was a "home wrecker" even if she and Pete weren't dating at that time)

Kitty belongs with the right Peter (Colossus), period.   ;D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on September 06, 2007, 07:50:47 pm
Just read issue #4 and it was a good read but the story still seems to be spinning its wheels a bit.  We need more traction.  The story needs to advance at a better pace. 

Since I am not a fan of the X-Men, I will be real disappointed if all the new heroes turn out to be depowered mutants (which seems like it may be the case).  That may make me loose interest in the title.   
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on September 07, 2007, 04:28:10 am
And I want Shadowcat back with Peter Wisdom. Ain't gonna happen, wot?

shudder; vote no, a thousand times over.  Never liked Pete Wisdom in the first place (maybe because he was a "home wrecker" even if she and Pete weren't dating at that time)

Kitty belongs with the right Peter (Colossus), period.   ;D

Whatever. I don't collect X-Men anymore. And Piotr was unfaithful to Kitty, in case you've forgotten.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Lion on September 07, 2007, 12:53:31 pm
Just read issue #4 and it was a good read but the story still seems to be spinning its wheels a bit.  We need more traction.  The story needs to advance at a better pace. 

Since I am not a fan of the X-Men, I will be real disappointed if all the new heroes turn out to be depowered mutants (which seems like it may be the case).  That may make me loose interest in the title.  


I'm all for a good story, myself. I'm not saying I think they all should be depowered mutants, however, I think the angle makes a lot of sense.

1.) They have already been trained.

2.) Something should be done addressing the depowered-mutant situation, even if it isn't occurring within the X-Titles. Given the effect that has had on the Marvel Universe, I'd much rather see it played out where they are challenging the establishment as a whole. (Don't get me wrong... I thought the whole "Scarlet Witch removes mutant powers" thing was absolute sh*tE.) The X-Men haven't been doing that.

3.) My main criticism has to do with certain choices. "Revealed Guy", Jubilee, and Sofia (if she joins), I can understand. "Revealed Guy" has been hunted by sentinels. Jubilee - although it hasn't really been mentioned - has to be absolutely terrified by this turn of events. She was not only imprisoned by the Sentinels, but they used her to get intelligence on the X-Men.

Beak and "Revealed Girl", I'm scratching my head over... especially given their original mutations weren't exactly ones they appreciated. Also, everyone's too chummy. Some of these characters had never shared panel time with each other before this book and all of a sudden, they've known each other forever.

That aside, I still like the purpose and that it involves people who have experienced what it is like to be persecuted and is acting against a government that is systematically moving in that direction.

I would like to see it diversify a little more, though. Given the overall slant of the book and what it is standing up against, I can definitely understand the concentration of depowered mutants... and that alone does not make it an X-Book.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on September 07, 2007, 01:31:48 pm
Yes, it does make sense to use them but they don’t interest me all that much personally.  You guys have been discussing the histories of certain mutant characters in this thread so I guess you have an interest but not me.  If this ends up really being another X-book (in everyway except the title) instead of a sequel to the original New Warriors series then I am out of here.

There is cause for hope that this may end up being more then an X-Men satellite series.  We still need to discover what the Wakanda connection is and the Night Thrasher mystery needs to be revealed.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 07, 2007, 02:56:08 pm
Yes, it does make sense to use them but they don’t interest me all that much personally.  You guys have been discussing the histories of certain mutant characters in this thread so I guess you have an interest but not me.  If this ends up really being another X-book (in everyway except the title) instead of a sequel to the original New Warriors series then I am out of here.



I must admit this is one of the big "hesitations" i have about buying this book.  (I'm waiting for the tradepaper back.)  I like Jubilee and she's no problem, but I never cared for them when they had powers.  And I hated Beek.  (actually, i might find him more interesting this way.)  still, i'm not discounting the possibility of buying it as a trade.  This just gives me 2nd thoughts.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on September 18, 2007, 09:15:00 am
Looks like Dwayne may really be dead.  Hmmm...  I wonder.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0709/18/marveldec.htm

NEW WARRIORS #7 

Written by Kevin Grevioux, penciled by Jon Malin, cover by Nic Klein.

After narrowly escaping death at the hands of the all-new Zodiac, former X-Man Sofia Mantega decides to get back into the super hero game and takes up membership with the new New Warriors. But after learning what's in store for her, will she want to stick around? And what do the old New Warriors have to say about the new team's exploits?

32 pages, $2.99.


(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0709/18/newwarriors7.jpg)


Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on September 19, 2007, 04:59:19 am
Preview: New Warriors #5 at Newsarama

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=129919

(http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/NewWarriors/05/NewWarriors05pg03.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 19, 2007, 07:50:41 am
wait ... wait...  is tempest the same chick that was part of the xmen for a short period of time.

you know... back when prof. x gather a new team and Grey King was the team leader?

is that the same chick who used to go by "crux", i believe?

if so, kevin gets props for using her 'cuz i thought i was the only person who remembered those cats!

and how'd the N.W.'s get Jono's? I thought he was Apocalypse, Jr?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on September 19, 2007, 08:00:00 am
wait ... wait...  is tempest the same chick that was part of the xmen for a short period of time.

you know... back when prof. x gather a new team and Grey King was the team leader?

is that the same chick who used to go by "crux", i believe?

Tempest is Angel...the chick who used to have the insect wings.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 19, 2007, 08:30:20 am
okay, but are we talkin' about the same chick... with the hot and cold powers... freezing and fire arms.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on September 19, 2007, 05:25:06 pm
hmmm.... so if Dwayne is indeed dead, who could be the Trasher? Since all the covers paint him black, we can safely assume that he is a black man, unless it is another character of ethnicty with brown skin (hispanic, indian, etc). But if he is indeed a black male, what depowered mutant or former Superhero can you think of?

Let's see...
1) Hobby Brown; the Prowler
2) Nightwatch ( i dont remember if this character was killed off or not...)
3) Kasper (I could only dream...)

Brain's not functioning right now... maybe I'll add more later....
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Lion on September 19, 2007, 06:38:43 pm
I still think it's Bandit.

Of course, there is one other possibility. It might be Forge. Reverse engineering would be a snap with his powers. Being a government man, he'd know all about the X-Men and Fantastic Four... and his ex just happens to be queen of Wakanda...
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on September 20, 2007, 06:05:27 pm
hmmm.... so if Dwayne is indeed dead, who could be the Trasher? Since all the covers paint him black, we can safely assume that he is a black man, unless it is another character of ethnicty with brown skin (hispanic, indian, etc). But if he is indeed a black male, what depowered mutant or former Superhero can you think of?

I don't know if it is certain Dwayne is dead yet. This series has kept us wondering whether he is or isn't building up to Night Thrasher's eventual unmasking.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Stephanie on September 22, 2007, 09:33:37 am
How about Vibraxas a.k.a. Nappy Fro Lad?

Stephanie
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on September 22, 2007, 06:33:24 pm
okay, but are we talkin' about the same chick... with the hot and cold powers... freezing and fire arms.

Yep. She's called Tempest now. She used to go by Angel...which is just her real name, I believe.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on October 05, 2007, 01:01:50 pm
FIRST LOOK: NEW WARRIORS #5

To see a preview (with dialogue) of next week's issue follow the link and scroll down.  You can also check out other Marvel previews.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/05/marvelfirsts.htm

(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/05/newwarriors56.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on October 11, 2007, 05:19:51 pm
hmm, it was a good issue, but it felt more like a 'filler' more so than anything else. The anticipation of learning who the Thrash is, is almost aggravating, lol!
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on October 11, 2007, 05:40:41 pm
How about Vibraxas a.k.a. Nappy Fro Lad?

Stephanie

I thought that too!  :D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on October 11, 2007, 06:32:16 pm
I am really starting to lose interest in this series.  Why is the writer padding the story so much?  Was it some editorial mandate that none of the mysteries should be revealed until a certain issue? 

I did like the special guest stars. 

I am onboard for at least one more issue than I will decide if I will continue.     
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on October 11, 2007, 07:53:09 pm
I'm waiting for the tradepaper back as a Christmas present. Grevioux has done a good job with these extended origin stories. He knows how to integrate mystery with the search for purpose.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on October 11, 2007, 09:40:45 pm
Kevin Grevioux Interview

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006773
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on October 12, 2007, 02:29:44 am
I like the book even if I am itching to find out who Night Thrasher is. I have to say that this is probably the best comic I'm reading right now. JLA will probably surpass it, but since I have only two issues from McDuffie so far, I have to hold judgment on it for now
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on October 16, 2007, 11:14:28 am
Possible Spoilers in solicitation below!!!
























Does this mean that Night Thrasher is Dwayne Taylor?

NEW WARRIORS #8 

Written by Kevin Grevioux, penciled by Jon Malin, cover by Nic Klein.

While the rest of the team puts flights and tights on hold for a deserved night off, Night Thrasher decides to do a little solo work. But while he might be prepared for heavily-armed thugs and even a heated encounter with his former flame, Silhouette, can he handle coming face-to-face with his first and greatest adversary? Enter: Midnight's Fire!

32 pages, $2.99.

(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/16/newwarriors8.jpg)


Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on October 17, 2007, 08:52:13 am
It damn well better!  ;D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: stanleyballard on October 24, 2007, 06:52:15 am
Reading this book now and will add it to my pull list....great writing, characterization & art from Grevioux and crew. Will have to go back and get the first four issues.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on October 25, 2007, 08:23:58 pm
Possible Spoilers in solicitation below!!!

([url]http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/16/newwarriors8.jpg[/url])


Hey! Night Thrasher is holding his batons properly! Take THAT Nightwing! Ya faux escrimador!  ;D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Hypestyle on November 09, 2007, 10:44:32 am
in dimly related news, original New Warriors penciler Mark Bagley is jumping ship to DC in '08..
www.newsarama.com
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on November 20, 2007, 10:12:59 am
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/20/marvelfeb.htm

NEW WARRIORS #9 

Written by Kevin Grevioux, penciled by Paco Medina, cover by Nic Klein.

Now officially a member of the team, former X-Man Sofia Mantega undertakes her first mission as a New Warrior! But when things don't quite go as planned, the Warriors are left to wonder: Did one of their teammates have an ulterior motive for pulling this job?

32 pages, $2.99.

(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/20/newwarriors9.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on December 09, 2007, 08:36:36 pm
Aw. Jubilee changed her tights. I was beginning to like the sporty look.

Previews for issue #6 are now online. Check it out here:
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2006.Weekend_Preview:_New_Warriors_%236 (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2006.Weekend_Preview:_New_Warriors_%236)

Hey, maybe this Night Thrasher is really Triathlon?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Yaw on December 12, 2007, 02:10:31 pm
So it seems Donyell Taylor aka Bandit is Night Thrasher and all o fthe team members are former mutants most of which come from Morrison's New X-men run.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on December 13, 2007, 07:50:51 pm
It will be so worth buying the compiled edition.  ;D

O.K. First off, kudos to Kevin for his sly use of an old ruse. Furthermore it's great to see him further apply the stories from the first Frontline mini-series. Sally and Ben are no Woodward and Bernstein and they stink because of that. So what does this mean for all the fans of the previous New Warriors? We get a good reason for this team to stay together but does it truly replace the one we knew? For now, I'm okay with this. There are still some questions about how some of them joined the team. Stacy X? I thought she was taller, or was that Kia Asamiya's fault?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: stanleyballard on December 17, 2007, 10:38:16 am
Hats off to Grevioux- solid ending to #6 with a surprise!  Not familiar with most of these characters but he is bringing solid pacing, dialogue, comedy and drama. 
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 17, 2007, 03:09:42 pm
So it seems Donyell Taylor aka Bandit is Night Thrasher and all o fthe team members are former mutants most of which come from Morrison's New X-men run.

man, he's changed from his days as Bandit.  Have the yet explained the reason for the change? i don't just mean the hair but even his body.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on December 17, 2007, 08:31:17 pm
It must be artistic license. I thought ol' Stacy X was taller than that.

Somebody should suggest to Marvel a New Warriors toy pack. Since the Young Avengers got one this team surely deserves it too. And then I can add more to BP, Luke Cage, & War Machine.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on December 18, 2007, 10:26:44 am
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar08/solicitations.html

NEW WARRIORS #10
Written by KEVIN GREVIOUX
Penciled by PACO MEDINA
Cover by NIC KLEIN
What is Night Thrasher doing while the New Warriors are trussing up super-villains? Where is he when his teammates are training hard for their next mission? And why is their leader nowhere to be found when the team is evading the clutches of the N.Y.P.D. Costumed Division? Night Thrasher reveals his plan to the New Warriors, but after his frequent disappearances, do they trust him?
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Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Sunjata on December 20, 2007, 06:49:23 am
Finally read issue #6 last night.  I am going to say adieu to this series.  This was a 3 or 4 issue story stretched out into 6 issues. 

I am not an X-Fan so I do not want to follow a series about depowered mutants.  These characters do nothing for me. 

The reveal at the end took too long in coming so it produces a yawn instead of shock or awe.   
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on December 20, 2007, 12:00:06 pm
 It was just a little too drawn out, but overall, I actually thought it was a good story arc. This is definitely still one of my favorite monthly pulls.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on December 24, 2007, 04:18:02 pm
The preview for #7 is out.
 :-*
http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2098.Weekend_Preview%3A_New_Warriors_%237 (http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2098.Weekend_Preview%3A_New_Warriors_%237)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on December 26, 2007, 07:29:05 pm
The poem recited on the first three pages of the preview I happen to know and like. Makes me wonder why Grevioux picked that particular one. Will have to look into his bio more to find the answer. I wonder how many other New Warriors comic fans will find that poem of issue #7....interesting.

 ;)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on December 28, 2007, 06:15:36 pm
I wonder if the one who wrote that poem also wrote the lyrics to the American national anthem.

It was good to see Vance in this issue, but I never really got Ultra Girl. If more former NW's appear I wonder if Kevin will have them fight the new team. The artist for this latest issue wasn't as good as Medina.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 15, 2008, 03:22:49 pm
ihave this feeling that vance will leave the initiative and join the new warriors.

what say you?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on January 16, 2008, 07:58:35 pm
I'm wondering if the remaining former members will fight the new team.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 17, 2008, 09:12:50 am
hmm?

interesting... but would they then join the team afterwards?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on January 17, 2008, 11:06:09 am
ihave this feeling that vance will leave the initiative and join the new warriors.

what say you?

I see Rage leaving before Vance. He was about to be kicked out of the Initiative anyway.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: supreme illuminati on February 16, 2008, 07:06:36 pm
So...any NW tpb's out? Best way for me to get new readers for the series.Gotta get two more copies of the tpb BAD MUTHA,THE BRIDE and PRIEST'S ENEMY OF THE STATE
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Gooch on March 06, 2008, 05:58:30 pm
Picked up the latest issue, I am really digging this book
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on March 07, 2008, 06:51:02 pm
Yeah, this book is off the hook. i cant wait for the confrontation between Thrash and Jubilee that is mouthing.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 27, 2008, 08:03:16 am
so...we saw the black guy with his mask off.
was that a reveal?
if so, who was he?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on March 27, 2008, 06:15:26 pm
Dwayne's brother, the character formerly known as Bandit.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 28, 2008, 12:05:52 am
is this a revelation...or did we always know this?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on March 28, 2008, 05:41:30 am
They hinted at it before...but revealed it for sure a few issues ago.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Yaw on March 28, 2008, 09:58:29 pm
This book is boring and not compelling.  It's pace is way too slow and nothing seems to happen.  Thinking about the fact that this books is at #10 and I can't for the life of me remember what has happened of real significance.  The potential is there but it is being squandered.  I see glimpses of entertainment but then it just fizzles out.  I guess my biggest problem is that I don't know where the hell this book is going and its the TENTH ISSUE! TEN! 
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on March 28, 2008, 11:25:30 pm
I'm still intrigued about where it's headed. There some really cool tech amalgamated in there. The new Thrash finally explained why he recruited ex-mutants.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Yaw on March 29, 2008, 05:41:10 am
I'm still intrigued about where it's headed. There some really cool tech amalgamated in there. The new Thrash finally explained why he recruited ex-mutants.

which is something that should have been done during the first arc.  There have been way too many setup points and questions and nowhere near enough answers.  This series is just drifting along.  I just don't see it as compelling.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 29, 2008, 07:34:36 am
glad to have you back Yaw.
:D
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: The Evasive 1 on March 30, 2008, 07:15:09 pm
I'm still intrigued about where it's headed. There some really cool tech amalgamated in there. The new Thrash finally explained why he recruited ex-mutants.

which is something that should have been done during the first arc.  There have been way too many setup points and questions and nowhere near enough answers.  This series is just drifting along.  I just don't see it as compelling.


Hey, I like this book. This is one of my favorite pulls every month.

 :)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: stanleyballard on March 31, 2008, 12:49:25 pm
This book has some good points...not sure of the pacing...it's somewhere in the lukewarm area...has potential to be really good- will give it another three issues before making any final decisions.  Grevioux seems to really be in for the long haul with his style and character development....
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on March 31, 2008, 05:16:13 pm
i'm enjoying the book as a whole. The pacing, I can deal with because I find each issue enjoyable, it kind of runs like a Daytime Soap opera (yes, I watch Days dammit! (but only at work....bwahaha)). The book is out on time, which is definatly a plus considering how many times Avengers or One More Day was late or whatever. It has so much stuff that keeps me drawn in, Jubilee and her character's so sudden change, the new Thrasher, I find everything about it... fresh. And that itself, keeps me tuned in.

However the moment the brutha dies...
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Wise Son on April 01, 2008, 09:05:58 am
The book is out on time, which is definatly a plus considering how many times Avengers or One More Day was late or whatever.
It's a weird thing, but when you've got writers notorious for lateness, like Morrisson, Ellis, Whedon, Bendis, it's a refreshing breaking of the stereotype that the comic industry brothers (Hudlin, McDuffie, Grevioux) seem to be the most reliable ones for getting a book out on time, month after month.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on April 01, 2008, 10:35:57 am
However the moment the brutha dies...

Which one?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Yaw on April 01, 2008, 07:35:19 pm
i'm enjoying the book as a whole. The pacing, I can deal with because I find each issue enjoyable, it kind of runs like a Daytime Soap opera (yes, I watch Days dammit! (but only at work....bwahaha)). The book is out on time, which is definatly a plus considering how many times Avengers or One More Day was late or whatever. It has so much stuff that keeps me drawn in, Jubilee and her character's so sudden change, the new Thrasher, I find everything about it... fresh. And that itself, keeps me tuned in.

However the moment the brutha dies...

I hope that one brotha dies.  The Guy who lost his sister.  I remember him from New X-Men.  That guy is lame as hell.  Bandit is cool though.  In fact Jubilee should have taken out Radian and Redneck and the book would be so much better.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on April 03, 2008, 08:55:50 pm
Maybe from him losing his sister he'll actually get some kind of 'better' development than he ever did. Enough to actually make us... I dunno... care? I guess? Anyhoo, I was more pissed when they killed off Tag in New X-Men after his depowerment (even though he had the LAMEST mutant power eva!)

Me's got my fingers crossed that maybe once Jubilee gets off her high horse, and Bandit reveals himself to the team, we can get a Bandit/Jubilee pairing. The tension between the two just seems, swa-eet! That, and we already know that Jubilee has a thing for the brutha's.

Gasp! Did I go there!?! Why yes, yes I did.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: trence5 on April 26, 2008, 08:42:42 am
The book is out on time, which is definatly a plus considering how many times Avengers or One More Day was late or whatever.
It's a weird thing, but when you've got writers notorious for lateness, like Morrisson, Ellis, Whedon, Bendis, it's a refreshing breaking of the stereotype that the comic industry brothers (Hudlin, McDuffie, Grevioux) seem to be the most reliable ones for getting a book out on time, month after month.
I agree.  Finally I picked a series that actually comes out........... on time  ;)
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on April 28, 2008, 01:33:15 pm
and we already know that Jubilee has a thing for the brutha's.

 ??? What black guy did she date? I was away from the X-books for many years...
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Lion on April 28, 2008, 02:54:59 pm
Well... She didn't actually date him. It was actually rather one-sided, with the exception of the time he got jealous in the Wolverine book and convinced Gen X to ambush him. Jubilee had a big thing for Everett Thomas (Synch). In the DOFP storyline, the two of them were an item. When Gen X ended, Synch and M had just got together... and then Synch was killed. A year or two later, she had something for Skin (Angelo Espinosa... though it seemed writers could never get his last name or his ethnicity correct...). He was also killed.

Jubilee hasn't had too much luck in the romance department. The way her boyfriends keep on getting killed in sh*tty and mangled storylines, she's getting to be as cursed as Wolverine.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 08, 2008, 03:51:10 pm
jubes needs to stay away from the minority characters, then.

i hope she doesn't fall for ol' boy who just lost his sister.

ANd i think i am gonna like seeing the old new warriors storyline in this book. it's gonna be nice.

And i recently purchased issue 2-4 of Slapstick. Cool character but i always wondered why he never reverted to his regular self.
Now i know... and i think the outfit is like the symbiote suit.  The longer you're in it, the crazier you get... guess that's why he did what he did to Gauntlet.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 08, 2008, 06:43:36 pm
Well... She didn't actually date him. It was actually rather one-sided, with the exception of the time he got jealous in the Wolverine book and convinced Gen X to ambush him. Jubilee had a big thing for Everett Thomas (Synch). In the DOFP storyline, the two of them were an item. When Gen X ended, Synch and M had just got together... and then Synch was killed. A year or two later, she had something for Skin (Angelo Espinosa... though it seemed writers could never get his last name or his ethnicity correct...). He was also killed.

Jubilee hasn't had too much luck in the romance department. The way her boyfriends keep on getting killed in sh*tty and mangled storylines, she's getting to be as cursed as Wolverine.

There's your answer; these guys aren't just dying randomly.  Wolvie's knocking them off.  Oh, it may not looked that way, but he's behind it.  No one messes with one of wolvie's "daughters".  Shoot; it's applies to his other "daughter" Kitty; Doug Ramsey died.  And the only reason Colossus and Pete Wisdom are still alive is because Colossus came back from the dead and the other Pete is as nasty as Wolvie.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Lion on May 08, 2008, 07:55:07 pm
You know... You may have a point. Did we REALLY see who planted those bombs that killed Synch? (I don't know... because that issue is the ONE issue I don't have...) As for Skin, he was killed off-panel. They SAY it was the Church of Humanity, but come on... Wolverine could have done it.

To be honest, I've been sick of Wolverine for a LONG time. He's f*cking everywhere.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 12, 2008, 03:29:42 pm
that's because there are a cadre of skrulls who INSISTED that they be wolvie.
like no one would notice.
hahahahha.

skrull one: i'm nasty smelly wolverine
skrull two: i'm handome smooth talkin' wolverine
skrull three: can i be the wolverine in the yellow and brown?
skrull 4: only if i can wear the top hat.
skrull 5: hey...does this mean "I" have to go take care of Nitro in Stamford? I mean...i don't mind. It's a simple gig.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Wise Son on May 16, 2008, 01:05:08 am
See, Bendis would never put anythnig that good in Secret Invasion!
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: stanleyballard on May 16, 2008, 06:57:36 am
 ;D 

Latest issue of New Warrriors had some good art (action scenes)....Grevioux had some good character moments and pacing in this one - still has potential.

Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on May 17, 2008, 03:54:03 am
indeed. I can't wait for the next issue, mainly because its the end of the arch. 6 issues a trade right? I wonder how he'll wrap this story arch up.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 24, 2008, 06:44:53 pm
this issue's secret invasion arch seemed to be going just what I though, Bandit questioning wither or not if if the Thrasher that died during the opening shot of Civil War was his brother or not. Kind of, obvious way of direction it went, but whatever. I'm still enjoying the book as it is one of the only few Marvel books that I am collecting this days.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 27, 2008, 05:21:48 am
Have they released a Trade-paper back of the first six (or so) issues of New Warriors?  I haven't seen it yet and my library still hasn't stocked it if it has.

KIP
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on July 27, 2008, 08:52:05 pm
the first trade, which consists of issues 1-6 is out. Has been for about three months now I think.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Gooch on August 03, 2008, 05:39:01 am
SO i picked up the last issue.

New  New warriors, vs Old new warriors.

Grievox is killing it man.

Night THrasher is  almost on some pries BP sh*t.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 13, 2008, 09:43:10 am
i read issue 14 this morning.
this was a really good issue...one of the few that i actually enjoyed.
this issue kept NW in my pull list.
good job to all involved.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Emperorjones on September 22, 2008, 04:30:52 pm
I'm liking Grevioux's NW so far, for the most part. I didn't know anything about them until I started reading this series, and the only reason I did was because of Grevioux.

I don't think the new New Warriors are all that flashy, but there is some nice character interaction. Night Thrasher has turned out to be an interest, complex character with layers. Now, they could use some work on the villian front. The artwork is pretty good and the stories are all right. I liked the first arc the best. The stuff after that has been so-so. But I'm sticking with the book.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on September 28, 2008, 02:22:10 pm
So, the new issue came out this Wednesday. Ever since the second arch, I'm guessing around issue 7, we all knew that the new Thrash was trying to find a way to ressurrect his bother. It was like, we knew, but it was never said  outloud until this newest issue. I have a feeling, that when is all said and done, the old Thrash will still be dead.

But then again, it would be cool to have both brothers, stand side by side in their Thrasher gear, the trench coat look that Dywane was sporting and the current, revised old look.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Lion on September 28, 2008, 06:33:20 pm
There may be a body... and Donyell may claim it's Dwayne, but I'm not so sure.

Check out NW #5. After the medical technicians get to Sofia, there's a shadowy figure looking around the corner and presumably walking off. I'm pretty sure that is meant to be Dwayne...

But hey... I could be wrong. I personally would like to see someone really teach the New New Warriors how to fight. Jubes and Jono should definitely be better than where they are at now.

Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2008, 04:15:35 pm
This book is slowly shpaing up to be one of my favorite reads each month, it started out kind of slow but the last two arcs have been beastly.     
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on October 27, 2008, 07:22:19 pm
wow, sad to hear that this book is coming to a close after issue 20. It really is a good book, but in all honestly if the way Secret Invasion ends the way I think it is, the complete shut down of the SHRA, then their wont be a need for 'rebels'. But that's beside the point, the book is more than likely being canceled because of its sales.

Donyell can really be a prick, this issue defiantly showed us that, and reminded us of that (not that we need to, he has been since the reveal that he is the new Thrash), but he defiantly is motivated to do what he thinks is right. The constant tension between him and his team, especially Jubes, is swwwwwwwweet. Artwork has been pretty good as of late. Though the majority of some of the events that this book has had has been kinda predictable, I can't help but wonder just how this last arch is gonna end.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Open palm on December 11, 2008, 04:06:01 pm
The original Night Thrasher is alive? Where's he been all this time?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Blanks on February 24, 2009, 05:45:23 pm
Okay, so the final issue came out last week... or the week before last. I enjoyed this issue, it wrapped up everything rather nicely I must say. The art was good, but there has never been no complaints on the art on this book from me. I gots my Jubes and Donyell moment (thumbs up Kev! Good looking out!) Sad to see the book having to come to an end, but with Dark Reign going on... I really don't see a reason for this New Warriors team to continue. And judging from the latest issue of Avengers Inititive, Donyell is donning the Thrasher armor once more fighting alongside the remaining original New Warriors.

Man, I hope that Thrasher could get his own book.

Quote from: Open palm
The original Night Thrasher is alive? Where's he been all this time?

Nope, he's still dead. However, from the last few issues of this book, the Warriors were thrown into a possible future where the original Thrasher had returned to life, thus leaving the possibility of Dwayne returning eventually.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Gooch on February 27, 2009, 05:02:52 pm
 >:(  I enjoyed this run.  thrash was the man, although the other warriors could have been developed better.     Sad to see it gone after 20.   Oh well at least we have Blue Marvel for 1 more issue.
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 04, 2010, 07:38:21 pm
On Free Comic Day. I picked up the entire run, (except for issues 1, 3 and 6, IIRC) for $3.50.  I just finished the Secret Invasion crossover.  I am very impressed with what I've read so far.  True, its been a tad hard to figure out who was who and what they're powers are now, but that doesn't seem to be all that important.  Can't wait to finish the run (well, I guess I can wait since I am).
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: Mastrmynd on May 05, 2010, 12:45:36 pm
3.50?
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 05, 2010, 02:30:33 pm
Yeah, 17 issues for $3.50. 
Title: Re: The New Warriors Thread
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 06, 2010, 04:27:50 pm
Very good read, though I suspect it reads better altogether than as a monthly. 

Much more worthy of the New Warriors name than any other NW series after the original.