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Title: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Jihad the Roughneck on June 06, 2007, 12:25:42 pm
Now that's a hard one!
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Cage on June 06, 2007, 02:34:34 pm
Rakim.  For me back in the day I was more into being hard than smooth.   
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Marvelous on June 06, 2007, 08:30:11 pm
Rakim was gonna be my write in on the Snoop/Kane battle.    :D Rakim.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: moor on June 10, 2007, 05:31:05 pm
Did Kane even write his own stuff?  I always thought it was the Biz who supplied rhymes...
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Hypestyle on June 11, 2007, 08:02:08 am
new Big Daddy Kane interview in this latest Source Issue..
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Toya on June 11, 2007, 11:35:51 pm
My choice would be Rakim because even to this day he has the same flow from back in the days. Kane ain't doing poorly by a long shot though, that dude can move...for a man his age.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Sam Wilson on June 17, 2007, 05:38:16 pm
why is this even a question?  Rakim, no doubt...
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: True Father 7 on June 18, 2007, 03:02:28 am
yall know they took subliminal shots at each other constantly back in the day, right?  Sorta like LL and Jay now, in fact LL got a song with G Rap and 50 Cent where he makes it known about his feelings for Jay.

PEACE
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: wgreason on June 25, 2007, 11:07:20 am
Rakim.  Kane is great; however, Rakim can only be challenged by the top 4 (Nas, Technique, Bis, Monch).
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: mayday on July 06, 2007, 07:06:09 am
"Timeless, so age don't count in the booth when your flow stays submerged in the fountain of youth."

The God...hands down.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: JRCarter on July 06, 2007, 08:53:53 pm
This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kYqkZM8QrQ

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRFDrC_krhM

Tough choice, indeed.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: D- Ruck on November 24, 2007, 10:12:29 am
Now that's a hard one!

Not hard at all, Rakim has aged poorly, Kane is better
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: True Father 7 on November 24, 2007, 11:26:13 am
Now that's a hard one!


Not hard at all, Rakim has aged poorly, Kane is better


What!?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D9HqFEo-fjo
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 24, 2007, 02:45:50 pm
Aah, back to the classic JR. high debate.

It is really hard choosing between the 2. Rakim is beyond revolutionary in both flow and content when you look at what his peers were putting out in 86. While nursery rhyme flows about bally's and Lees and whatever else was dominant, R replaced it with a slow delivery filled with conscious content that had brothers going to the dictionary. Equally, when Kane came out in 88 he brought Metaphors to the forefront with the added bonus of having 2 distinct yet equally powerful flows, staccato and smooth.

Album for album the debate doesn't get any easier. Paid in Full and Raw are both classic albums. The respective follow ups, Follow The Leader and It's A Big Daddy Thing are again classics. The subsequent albums give Rakim the edge as he maintained his presence while Kane drfted into the playboy role.

While it is an official crime to ever go against a fellow Brooklynite, I will have to vote for Rakim.

P.S. It was KANE who wrote all those Biz Markie hits as well as Roxanne Shante's and some of the Juice Crew releases.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 24, 2007, 02:49:36 pm
yall know they took subliminal shots at each other constantly back in the day, right?  Sorta like LL and Jay now, in fact LL got a song with G Rap and 50 Cent where he makes it known about his feelings for Jay.

PEACE

What subliminal shots? I never heard this before, what are the songs?

We were living for this confrontation back in my early teens so I find it hard to believe that it never came up.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: True Father 7 on November 25, 2007, 07:31:26 am
yall know they took subliminal shots at each other constantly back in the day, right?  Sorta like LL and Jay now, in fact LL got a song with G Rap and 50 Cent where he makes it known about his feelings for Jay.

PEACE

What subliminal shots? I never heard this before, what are the songs?

We were living for this confrontation back in my early teens so I find it hard to believe that it never came up.

they were supposed to battle at a club for money long time ago.  Ra references this story many times in interviews.  I will look for a link later for you but does this line below ring a bell

"I don't have to sniff Kane to be Raw!"  Come on fam, u aint catch that!?  lol

PEACE
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: D- Ruck on November 25, 2007, 08:38:27 am
Rakim was good an all, but I listened to him and Kane alot as a kid, and he just never had Kane's charisma, alot of Kane's stuff I still think sounds dope today like "No half Steppin", while alot Rakim's songs were good then but sound like crap when I play them today.  And as far as him being revolutionary, please, there's only so many ways you can rhyme words, I love rap, but it was never that complex.  Rakim is overrated.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 25, 2007, 01:57:08 pm
yall know they took subliminal shots at each other constantly back in the day, right?  Sorta like LL and Jay now, in fact LL got a song with G Rap and 50 Cent where he makes it known about his feelings for Jay.

PEACE

What subliminal shots? I never heard this before, what are the songs?

We were living for this confrontation back in my early teens so I find it hard to believe that it never came up.

they were supposed to battle at a club for money long time ago.  Ra references this story many times in interviews.  I will look for a link later for you but does this line below ring a bell

"I don't have to sniff Kane to be Raw!"  Come on fam, u aint catch that!?  lol

PEACE

When did Rakim use that line? Was that in the heat of the battle from 88-91/2?
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on November 25, 2007, 02:01:07 pm
Rakim was good an all, but I listened to him and Kane alot as a kid, and he just never had Kane's charisma, alot of Kane's stuff I still think sounds dope today like "No half Steppin", while alot Rakim's songs were good then but sound like crap when I play them today.  And as far as him being revolutionary, please, there's only so many ways you can rhyme words, I love rap, but it was never that complex.  Rakim is overrated.

With all due respect your wrong. East Coast rap at the time was sped up in both beats and flow; Rakim came in with a deliberate flow coupled with Eric B's and Marley Marl's tailored beats. Who sounded like Rakim prior to his emergence? Even more importantly how many Rappers sound like Rakim after his emergence?

It isn't an overstatement to say you can measure Rap in terms of the pre and post Rakim era.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: Battle on November 26, 2007, 08:35:32 am
Quote
With all due respect your wrong. East Coast rap at the time was sped up in both beats and flow; Rakim came in with a deliberate flow coupled with Eric B's and Marley Marl's tailored beats. Who sounded like Rakim prior to his emergence? Even more importantly how many Rappers sound like Rakim after his emergence?

It isn't an overstatement to say you can measure Rap in terms of the pre and post Rakim era. ---Jefferson Sargeant

There is some truth to that. Check out Nas' Illmatic...

particularly 'It ain't hard to tell'
Very strong Rakim influence. Then everyone else came with Rakim's 16 bar style of rhyming right after Nas.

...but, uh, yeah...I think Kane not only had the rhyming 'skills that pays those' but the charisma that can play characters that can support other actors like in 'Posse'.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: stanleyballard on November 26, 2007, 09:14:17 am
Rakim set a high standard in the rap/hip hop genre....his skills are legend.  Rakim = Rap G.O.D.
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: True Father 7 on September 29, 2019, 06:47:13 pm
yall know they took subliminal shots at each other constantly back in the day, right?  Sorta like LL and Jay now, in fact LL got a song with G Rap and 50 Cent where he makes it known about his feelings for Jay.

PEACE

What subliminal shots? I never heard this before, what are the songs?

We were living for this confrontation back in my early teens so I find it hard to believe that it never came up.

they were supposed to battle at a club for money long time ago.  Ra references this story many times in interviews.  I will look for a link later for you but does this line below ring a bell

"I don't have to sniff Kane to be Raw!"  Come on fam, u aint catch that!?  lol

PEACE

When did Rakim use that line? Was that in the heat of the battle from 88-91/2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Ngld3sKLc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Ngld3sKLc)
Title: Re: Hard Choices Kane or Rakim
Post by: True Father 7 on September 29, 2019, 06:49:03 pm
that was cute in the recent Lord Sear interview when Rakim shared some bars he took out of Let the Rhythm Hit Em for Kane but those who were paying attention back in those days know what was goin' on... (certain things capitalized and emphasized for the slow folks below)

Kane on Set It Off-"The RAP SOLOIST/ you donít want none of this/ save the bass for the pipe and rearrange your tone/ or take a loss and be forced in the danger zone"

Rakim on Follow the Leader-"ďNo need to speed/ slow down and let the leader lead....word to DADDY, indeed! /The Rís a rollin' stone, so Iím rollin"/ directions is told, then the rhymes are stolen
stop buggin', a brother said, dig 'em, I never dug 'em
he couldnít follow the leader long enough so I drug 'em
into danger zone, he should arrange his own
face it, itís basic, erase it, change ya toneĒ

And on the song Hypnotic posted above,"ďI donít sniff no Ďcaine (Kane) to get RAW ( a play on Ra's name, as well as the title of a Kane song)