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Title: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on July 16, 2007, 05:39:38 am

Could we compile some info about what we know about the Wakandan people and their daily lives?  I would love to develop a few fictional profiles of every day citizens that illustrated the regular live of our favorite nation :-)


Religion: Black Panther (?) details of worship. Cult of white gorilla; any secular element?
Technology: High (?) transportation, communications, agriculture, industry, services, defense, space travel, time travel, dimension shift
Education: High (?) public schooling, free higher education
Health Care: Long life expectancy, free preventive care, holistic and mystical technologies?
Housing: Varied, uneven residential development.  Unclear private investment models.
Energy: Vibranium ... unlimited and clean.
Finance: State-owned, based on the dollar ... some connection to international system.
Demographics: ??? total population, ethnic composition, linguistic groups
Economy: Employment profile, 30 hour work week (4 days), fair/equity based; vibranium-dependent or diversified?


any suggestions or insights are greatly appreciated.
walt
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Wise Son on July 16, 2007, 06:46:56 am
Ummm, well the Panther Cult is dominant and unifying, but there are several cults that seem to have been assimilated into it (I think that's where you get the White Tiger and Bronze Lion? names from). The Gorilla cult was the only one not assimilated, which is why they are separate from and antagonistic towards Wakanda and the Panthers. This also leads to the fact that being king and being BP are not necessarily the same. T'Challa inherited his throne, but had to fight to be BP.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on July 16, 2007, 09:28:20 am
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Frostbite883 on July 16, 2007, 02:25:24 pm
Just so you, Vic, the race car driver's name is Khanata.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 18, 2007, 07:15:16 pm
Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

There have been other Wakandans outside of Wakanda.  Periodically we see them in schools.  In Avengers (during Kurt's run) I believe we had a factory that worked on the Quinjets that was staffed by Wakandans.

As far as monies go; I don't think trading vibranium would be the source of their wealth.  First, even within Wakanda, the supply is limited, so every time they sell some, their supply diminishes.  Second, as the basis of their technology, every time they'd share vibranium, the secret of their technology could be lost.  Third, their wealth isn't a recent development, so that would mean they've been selling it for centuries and that would put vibranium all over Africa and ultimately the world.  Since the stuff is so rare outside of Wakanda, I really doubt they often let it go all too often.  Their wealth would need to come from other sources.  Even limited controlled sales would upset their balance of power in order make enough wealth to generate the riches of multi-generations.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on July 19, 2007, 04:04:31 pm
Great stuff so far.

Does anyone think that Wakanda's xenophobia and its cultural tensions within the country are related?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on July 20, 2007, 10:42:23 am
Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

There have been other Wakandans outside of Wakanda.  Periodically we see them in schools.  In Avengers (during Kurt's run) I believe we had a factory that worked on the Quinjets that was staffed by Wakandans.


The Wakandan Design Group. I should have included them as one of Wakanda's international intrestest. Since the Priest run shows that WDG is publicly traded (T'Challa holds controlling interest and is CEO),I'd say that building Quinjets for the Avengers must be a boom industry (not surprising considering how often the damn things get blown up). Maybe they make other stuff too.   

As far as monies go; I don't think trading vibranium would be the source of their wealth.  First, even within Wakanda, the supply is limited, so every time they sell some, their supply diminishes.  Second, as the basis of their technology, every time they'd share vibranium, the secret of their technology could be lost.  Third, their wealth isn't a recent development, so that would mean they've been selling it for centuries and that would put vibranium all over Africa and ultimately the world.  Since the stuff is so rare outside of Wakanda, I really doubt they often let it go all too often.  Their wealth would need to come from other sources.  Even limited controlled sales would upset their balance of power in order make enough wealth to generate the riches of multi-generations.

Well, you're right about that. It's not like the outside world would have had any use for Vibrainum at all until the atomic age.

On further thought, there's a real simple explanation for the source of the Wakandans' weath.

Check out that goofy old map of Wakanda and notice that KING SOLOMON'S MINES are within a two days march of Wakanda.

They've (the Wakandans) been very likely rolling in gold (and/or diamonds) for centuries. This would also be the other reason for the constant aggresion from the outside world. They were seeking the mines.

They'd probably trade the gold thru proxies (servants of the king) to the outside world who would have no idea where the gold really came from. Occasionally somebody'd get greedy and Black Panther'd have smack up a fool, but otherwise the system's workable. 

 
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on July 21, 2007, 04:52:01 am
On further thought, there's a real simple explanation for the source of the Wakandans' weath.

Check out that goofy old map of Wakanda and notice that KING SOLOMON'S MINES are within a two days march of Wakanda.

They've (the Wakandans) been very likely rolling in gold (and/or diamonds) for centuries. This would also be the other reason for the constant aggresion from the outside world. They were seeking the mines.

They'd probably trade the gold thru proxies (servants of the king) to the outside world who would have no idea where the gold really came from. Occasionally somebody'd get greedy and Black Panther'd have smack up a fool, but otherwise the system's workable. 

 

King Solomon's Mines?  But how did they get pass those gray (or where they white?) killer Gorillas that Solomon's men trained and raised and which eventually overthrew and killed their human masters?   ;D  (Of course, this would explain the "Cult of the White Gorilla". ) 
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on July 25, 2007, 08:13:11 am


They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 


Achebe was a great concept from Priest to explore these points.  The Ghudazi border conflict affecting the rural parts of the country along with Achebe's escape to the frontier where he created Malice were just two of the fascinating story elements I enjoyed using the diversity of the countryside.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on July 25, 2007, 03:07:39 pm
I think the one of reasons the Panther's ritual of ascension is so spartan and demanding is because of the internecine squabbles among the tribes.

If you see ol' boy take on the 5 TOUGHEST WARRIORS IN THE COUNTRY in hand to hand beat them down and then take the heart shaped herb after that for a further ability boost, you as a insurrectionist are just going to give up and go home.

The ceremony we see in the first issue of Reggie's run cements it further. One day each year ANYBODY can challenge the Panther to trial by combat for leadership.

In a very organised manner the Black Panther's have been proving thier fitness to rule over and over again.

No matter how tough or smart you are as a Wakandan , you for a FACT KNOW the guy who's running things is a lot tougher and smarter then you are.

But, it says something about the colllective WILL of the Wakandans that despite the fact that B.P. is effectively the KING and POPE and HEAD ASSKICKER, there are still insurrection attempts by rival trbes (even though they usually wait until T'Challa's out of the country to start @##$ up) .   
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 25, 2007, 03:50:37 pm
I think the one of reasons the Panther's ritual of ascension is so spartan and demanding is because of the internecine squabbles among the tribes.

If you see ol' boy take on the 5 TOUGHEST WARRIORS IN THE COUNTRY in hand to hand beat them down and then take the heart shaped herb after that for a further ability boost, you as a insurrectionist are just going to give up and go home.

The ceremony we see in the first issue of Reggie's run cements it further. One day each year ANYBODY can challenge the Panther to trial by combat for leadership.

In a very organised manner the Black Panther's have been proving thier fitness to rule over and over again.

No matter how tough or smart you are as a Wakandan , you for a FACT KNOW the guy who's running things is a lot tougher and smarter then you are.

But, it says something about the colllective WILL of the Wakandans that despite the fact that B.P. is effectively the KING and POPE and HEAD ASSKICKER, there are still insurrection attempts by rival trbes (even though they usually wait until T'Challa's out of the country to start @##$ up) .   


These are all very very very important points that are made here...and I'd like to add something that ERIC JEROME DICKEY wrote that is actually backed up  by cannon in PANTHER'S PREY BOOK 1:

The heart shaped herb may not actually enhance BP's powers in the way that we assume it does.

In PANTHER'S PREY,Wakandan scientists speculated that the heart shaped herb's poultice enhanced among other things TCHALLA'S kinesthetic sense,his proprioceptive system and other things so that he has incredible pantherine grace,and knows EXACTLY where a ledge, a tree limb, or whatever is so that he can leap for it and never have an instant's doubt that he knows exactly where it is and exactly how to get to it. This same book's narrative indicated that TChalla felt that his spiritual connection with the Panther God was what the heart-shaped herb REALLY enhanced,and allowed his human and great hunting cat instincts to be merged into one. It also allowed him to consort with real prides of panthers without upsetting them (almost all of the time, anyway).

This goes hand in hand with ERIC JEROME DICKEY having young TChalla say that TCHAKA defeated CAPTAIN AMERICA while knowing tha CAPTAIN AMERICA was enhanced by the SSS, whereas TCHAKA wasn't artificially physically enhanced AT ALL. We can still be looking at that exact occurrence for all the BPs...and I personally greatly prefer this interpretation. This would mean that FIRST AND FOREMOST the TRULY INCREDIBLE HOLISTIC CHARACTER OF EACH BP (mind body and spirit combined,gifted to them at birth) IN ADDITION TO the rigors and disciplines and sciences and spiritual connection to THE PANTHER GOD is what's primarily the root and the cause of the BPs becoming the BPs.

I wonder if the White Gorillas have their religious equivalent to the BP. I wonder what specifically encouraged MBAKU to wear that damn White Gorilla fur thing? I remember that PRIEST made him TRULY FORMIDABLE, and that was a true true feat because I swear all the way up until PRIEST got him,I HATED that guy. He seemed the personification of many racist stereotypes that I abhored the most.

Hey,in RH BP's first arc...wasn't it pointed out that Wakanda is a land of many many riches? A land so incredibly rich in resources that they didn't mine oil and the various other resources that their land abounded with, and they had centuries of green technology that powered their civilization in a way that no other country could even fathom?

Wasn't Wakanda--in its earlier runs--referred to as a land with a multiplicity of ores and riches? Diamonds and gold and precious minerals and ore that was so rich that many of these resources that the outer world coveted were left undisturbed and unexploited because they'd developed a far more environment friendly and far more potent technology that also had fusion empowerment and other elements involved? "A land of rich mystery,science and magic."  I'm pretty sure that this was the phrase I read while I was a kid. This was back when BP was being written like he was Junta,Conan the Barbarian's close homeboy who was basically a Black Conan with better education.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on August 23, 2007, 06:40:53 am


In a very organised manner the Black Panther's have been proving thier fitness to rule over and over again.

No matter how tough or smart you are as a Wakandan , you for a FACT KNOW the guy who's running things is a lot tougher and smarter then you are.


Except for that Erik guy who beats T'Challa every 2-3 years.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on August 23, 2007, 06:48:12 am

Hey,in RH BP's first arc...wasn't it pointed out that Wakanda is a land of many many riches? A land so incredibly rich in resources that they didn't mine oil and the various other resources that their land abounded with,and they had centuries of green technology that powered their civilization in a way that no other country could even fathom?

Wasn't Wakanda--in its earlier runs--referred to as a land with a multiplicity of ores and riches? Diamonds and gold and precious minerals and ore that was so rich that many of these resources that the outer world coveted were left undisturbed and unexploited because they'd developed a far more environment friendly and far more potent technology that also had fusion empowerment and other elements involved? "A land of rich mystery,science and magic."  I'm pretty sure that this was the phrase I read while I was a kid. This was back when BP was being written like he was Junta,Conan the Barbarian's close homeboy who was basically a Black Conan with better education.

This point about the combined resources of Wakanda (mystery, science, magic) speaks to me about how truly powerful T'Challa (or any Panther can be) ... similar to how the Fantastic Four had a storyline about Doom making a deal with demons to realize his mystic potential, I think Black Panthers have mystical powers that are too often overlooked.

In Priest's run the stories with Moon Knight and Mephisto illustrated this dimension ... I still think T'Challa has the specific ability to immunize humanity against Mephisto based on the demon's defeat in "The Client" ... but RH also showed some of this during the wedding ceremony.

Priest once had Omoro (not Ororo) say that T'Challa didn't have a mighty suit of armor because he CHOSE not to -- and cautioned Iron Man (??) to reflect on what that said about the King's character.  I think we could extend this discussion about the resources of Wakanda to state that T'Challa could conquer the world and establish a galactic empire at any time, but he CHOOSES not to.

Perhaps he is not individually as powerful as the Hulk, as great a fighter as Steve Rogers, or as much a genius as Reed Richards, but because of his cultural heritage and the ancestry of his nation ... he is simply the most advanced and important human being on the planet.

hmmmm...
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on August 25, 2007, 12:08:10 am

Hey,in RH BP's first arc...wasn't it pointed out that Wakanda is a land of many many riches? A land so incredibly rich in resources that they didn't mine oil and the various other resources that their land abounded with,and they had centuries of green technology that powered their civilization in a way that no other country could even fathom?

Wasn't Wakanda--in its earlier runs--referred to as a land with a multiplicity of ores and riches? Diamonds and gold and precious minerals and ore that was so rich that many of these resources that the outer world coveted were left undisturbed and unexploited because they'd developed a far more environment friendly and far more potent technology that also had fusion empowerment and other elements involved? "A land of rich mystery,science and magic."  I'm pretty sure that this was the phrase I read while I was a kid. This was back when BP was being written like he was Junta,Conan the Barbarian's close homeboy who was basically a Black Conan with better education.

This point about the combined resources of Wakanda (mystery, science, magic) speaks to me about how truly powerful T'Challa (or any Panther can be) ... similar to how the Fantastic Four had a storyline about Doom making a deal with demons to realize his mystic potential, I think Black Panthers have mystical powers that are too often overlooked.

In Priest's run the stories with Moon Knight and Mephisto illustrated this dimension ... I still think T'Challa has the specific ability to immunize humanity against Mephisto based on the demon's defeat in "The Client" ... but RH also showed some of this during the wedding ceremony.

Priest once had Omoro (not Ororo) say that T'Challa didn't have a mighty suit of armor because he CHOSE not to -- and cautioned Iron Man (??) to reflect on what that said about the King's character.  I think we could extend this discussion about the resources of Wakanda to state that T'Challa could conquer the world and establish a galactic empire at any time, but he CHOOSES not to.

Perhaps he is not individually as powerful as the Hulk, as great a fighter as Steve Rogers, or as much a genius as Reed Richards, but because of his cultural heritage and the ancestry of his nation ... he is simply the most advanced and important human being on the planet.

hmmmm...


This post is VERY well written wgreason (which is typical of you,brah).However,I think it was HUNTER who made the comment to IRON MAN who cautioned Iron Man to reflect upon that fact.I never saw the BP/MOON KNIGHT issues...and would loove to find and buy them.These two guys are natural fits,I would think.I utterly agree with you in regards to the mystic potential of BP,having made a similar point awhile ago (but I didn't know that Doom made a deal with demons to maximize his mystic potential...)

I think that BP is a SUPERIOR combatant to CAPT. AMERICA.I have gone into great length and detail as to why I think so in another thread.I am very much of the opinion that BP is at least REED RICHARDS' intellectual equal.He is certainly and beyond question either the absolute richest superhero or in a triumvirate of the Top 4 richest superheroes in the MU (Thor,Black Bolt,Sub-Mariner,Black Panther...not in any particular order).Of the 4....I would say that Thor--with the resources of "eternal" Asgard--is very likely richer than BP...but BP is probably second,as I don't see THE INHUMANS being  more stupendously rich (unless they've been harnessing wealth longer than Wakanda has existed) than BP,and I see the same in regards to Namor.I think Namor is very close to a tie with BP or tied with BP...but not richer than BP.

BP is CERTAINLY not as powerful as THE HULK.Nobody is...but there are several people whom can harm or kill or check the Hulk in a serious way.Especially if they work in concert.But I'm thinking that the same guy who has contingency plans for GALACTUS and who can contain the Avengers and swap mind blowing brain-gasms with Reed Richards and can survive the Zombies in the Zombieverse...and can warn THE ILLUMINATI against the path of ruin that they considered....that guy? Yeah,he has a trick or two for the rampaging Hulk.

That guy? That BP feller? He's GOT to be the most important human on the planet.IMHO.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on August 26, 2007, 02:20:54 pm


This post is VERY well written wgreason (which is typical of you,brah).However,I think it was HUNTER who made the comment to IRON MAN who cautioned Iron Man to reflect upon that fact.I never saw the BP/MOON KNIGHT issues...and would loove to find and buy them.These two guys are natural fits,I would think.I utterly agree with you in regards to the mystic potential of BP,having made a similar point awhile ago (but I didn't know that Doom made a deal with demons to maximize his mystic potential...)

I think that BP is a SUPERIOR combatant to CAPT. AMERICA.I have gone into great length and detail as to why I think so in another thread.I am very much of the opinion that BP is at least REED RICHARDS' intellectual equal.He is certainly and beyond question either the absolute richest superhero or in a triumvirate of the Top 4 richest superheroes in the MU (Thor,Black Bolt,Sub-Mariner,Black Panther...not in any particular order).Of the 4....I would say that Thor--with the resources of "eternal" Asgard--is very likely richer than BP...but BP is probably second,as I don't see THE INHUMANS being  more stupendously rich (unless they've been harnessing wealth longer than Wakanda has existed) than BP,and I see the same in regards to Namor.I think Namor is very close to a tie with BP or tied with BP...but not richer than BP.

BP is CERTAINLY not as powerful as THE HULK.Nobody is...but there are several people whom can harm or kill or check the Hulk in a serious way.Especially if they work in concert.But I'm thinking that the same guy who has contingency plans for GALACTUS and who can contain the Avengers and swap mind blowing brain-gasms with Reed Richards and can survive the Zombies in the Zombieverse...and can warn THE ILLUMINATI against the path of ruin that they considered....that guy? Yeah,he has a trick or two for the rampaging Hulk.

That guy? That BP feller? He's GOT to be the most important human on the planet.IMHO.

You and I certainly don't disagree on the nature and stature of the Black Panther.  I just used some phrasing to invite some nonbelievers to convert.  ;)
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on August 28, 2007, 10:09:03 am


In a very organised manner the Black Panther's have been proving thier fitness to rule over and over again.

No matter how tough or smart you are as a Wakandan , you for a FACT KNOW the guy who's running things is a lot tougher and smarter then you are.


Except for that Erik guy who beats T'Challa every 2-3 years.

T'Challa needs to fight Erik in a valley or a desert. Somewhere where he can't get thrown off stuff. Killmonger's always throwing B.P. offa stuff.

This would take away Eric defenestration-fu. ;D
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Francisco on August 28, 2007, 10:38:15 am
Now that I'm been thinking about. I don't want T'Challa to ever be able to defeat Killmonger. Erik should always be that unconquerable foe who the Panther can't be stright out. What I want is Killmonger to start kicking butt other than Panther's so he builds up a reputation as one of the toughest S.O.Bies in  the MU.

It would be awesome to have Killmonger droping in other heroes books and giving them a hard time before coming back into BP's life..
I mean.. we need more A-list villains and Erik is good material.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on August 28, 2007, 12:56:18 pm
Now that I'm been thinking about. I don't want T'Challa to ever be able to defeat Killmonger. Erik should always be that unconquerable foe who the Panther can't be stright out. What I want is Killmonger to start kicking butt other than Panther's so he builds up a reputation as one of the toughest S.O.Bies in  the MU.

It would be awesome to have Killmonger droping in other heroes books and giving them a hard time before coming back into BP's life..
I mean.. we need more A-list villains and Erik is good material.

Erik has crazy potential,just...CRAZY potential.But I would like BP to score a few more physical victories against ERIK,if for no other reason to just even the score.RH's BP I feel certain would drop hammers on Erik.PRIEST's BP was winning their fight until ROSS interrupted them and caused TCHALLA to get stomped out.

I would like Erik to show up elsewhere in other MU comics and cause lotsa problems.Imagine what could happen if he decided to vie for the Kingpin's throne.If he crossed paths with DD or THE PUNISHER.This would be grounds for a sweet crossover with our manz BP or even ORORO...if the Queen of Wakanda is in the USA doing her XMAN thing,and she comes across Erik.GROW A THUNDERSTORM INSIDE HIS TESTICLES,STORM!! Ah,my bad.I take that back.Ororo would drop hammers on Erik.BP should be the one to face Erik.

I'd like to see STORM throwdown with a malevolent African diety.Say...a foe of Khonshu.BP and MK team up to fight hordes of foolish mortals,and BP siccs his unbeatable Wakandan tech and warriors on the mercs helpin out whoever MK's enemies are...and Storm locks up with the African diety.Or the African diety is causing problems and Brother Voodoo,Storm and say Doctor Strange triple team them.Just sayin.Storm smacks diety.BP finally wins a fight against ERIK in recent memory.Brother Voodoo shows some more of that ill stuff that he showed in THREE THE HARD WAY.I'd like to see BLADE return,now that his series is over.Blade,Brother Voodoo,Black Panther (Panther God/Thrice Blessed Armor,Ebony Blade+ other stuff we don't know about) Storm (goddess and Queen of Wakanda) Moon Knight and Doctor Strange.Cross overs.Madd magical stories to broaden the mythos of Wakanda and BP and Africa.Cross overs with THE NEW AVENGERS because of BP and LUKE and Doctor Strange and Wolverine and Sabertooth.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Wise Son on August 29, 2007, 03:51:49 am
What I want is Killmonger to start kicking butt other than Panther's so he builds up a reputation as one of the toughest S.O.Bies in  the MU.

It would be awesome to have Killmonger droping in other heroes books and giving them a hard time before coming back into BP's life..
I mean.. we need more A-list villains and Erik is good material.
Good idea. I don't know what's going on with Kingpin in Daredevil now, but what about Kilmonger extending his operations to become a new Kingpin? Mix hislegitimate business with some distinctly criminal ish, and build a real rep?
EDIT:
OK, I see SI already had that idea. Which just shows it must be gold. Great minds and all that.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Francisco on August 30, 2007, 06:13:45 am
Yeah guys, you're both on the money. Killmonger to me is the defining BP foe. To me he is more interesting and menacing than Claw would ever be. For that reason it is time for him leap out of the BP verse and become a threat to the entire MU. Yet at some point he and BP should face up with T'Challa coming out on top and the very end and after a gruelling/bleeding fight... But in my oppinion even after his defeat at the hands of BP Killmonger must always remain as the most threating and dangerous of BP's enemies.. I'd like for both characters to live in an eternal stalemate where neither one or the other can get the upper-hand..

Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on August 31, 2007, 06:33:41 am
How would like to see Killmonger strike at T'Challa next?

he's done the h2h combat; he's done the economic takeover ...

mobilize the Mighty Avengers or the TBolts against Panther?
become the government's new head of Sentinel production and threaten the X-Men?
reveal his alliance with the Skrulls before betraying them and us to the Kree?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on September 24, 2007, 03:05:27 pm
How would like to see Killmonger strike at T'Challa next?

he's done the h2h combat; he's done the economic takeover ...

mobilize the Mighty Avengers or the TBolts against Panther?
become the government's new head of Sentinel production and threaten the X-Men?
reveal his alliance with the Skrulls before betraying them and us to the Kree?

Maybe he forms his own terrorist group? Attacking targets OUTSIDE Wakanda would weaken its standing within the international community (Can't T'challa control his own people?) and attacks INSIDE Wakanda would make his authority seem ineffectual(can't he protect us?). 
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on October 08, 2007, 08:45:02 am
Killmonger as bin Laden .... omg.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Wise Son on October 09, 2007, 07:37:20 am
Killmonger as bin Laden .... omg.
Bin Monger?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on October 16, 2007, 05:52:12 pm
Would anyone want to see Achebe return, too?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Open palm on October 17, 2007, 09:04:17 am
Would anyone want to see Achebe return, too?

NOOOO! 
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on October 25, 2007, 03:10:42 pm
Killmonger as bin Laden .... omg.
Bin Monger?

Bin Monger sound like a trash-can fetishist.

I'll be here all night folks

Try the fish. ;D
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 25, 2007, 05:46:50 pm
Would anyone want to see Achebe return, too?

NOOOO! 

YEEEESSSS!! He's supah looney.Love that guy.He'd be basically THE JOKER to BP's BATMAN.Horrible analogy,but you guys get what I mean.BP recalls to mind BATMAN,despite their enormous differences,and ACHEBE calls to mind THE JOKER,again despite their massive differences.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Open palm on November 04, 2007, 09:04:05 pm
NOOOO! I'd rather have a super-powered, African dictator, who eats human flesh, than have Achebe back.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Open palm on November 04, 2007, 09:06:34 pm
Or better yet. Give us a black supervillain named "Jefferson". What do you say about that, eh?
 Eh?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Frostbite883 on November 14, 2007, 07:17:07 pm
It would certainly be cool if Killmonger battle The new Fantastic Four with some help from
BP's other rogue gallery (such as Malice II, Man-Ape & Hudlin's version of Klaw).
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on December 16, 2007, 05:34:50 am
should there be a "Legacy of the Panther" series focusing on previous Panthers?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Frostbite883 on December 31, 2007, 04:03:42 pm
You known what....that might actually work.
Title: Wakanda should Annex other territories
Post by: Hypestyle on January 04, 2008, 10:13:53 am
Wakanda should start annexing nearby territories that are unstable, and begin spearheading societal improvement programs to get rid of regional warlords and corrupt dictators/presidents..
Title: Re: Wakanda should Annex other territories
Post by: bluezulu on January 04, 2008, 01:29:10 pm
Wakanda should start annexing nearby territories that are unstable, and begin spearheading societal improvement programs to get rid of regional warlords and corrupt dictators/presidents..
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Didn't Reg go into this and why it would/wouldnt work in the Xmen crossover event?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Open palm on January 05, 2008, 05:20:34 pm
We might get a new answer when the new Black Panther Annual comes out.
Title: Re: Wakanda should Annex other territories
Post by: Wise Son on January 18, 2008, 05:04:49 am
Wakanda should start annexing nearby territories that are unstable, and begin spearheading societal improvement programs to get rid of regional warlords and corrupt dictators/presidents..
That seems to jump straight from isolationism to 'benevolent' imperialism /dictatorship / occupation. Be a fascinating story, though.
Title: wakandan tech -- mysteries revealed!
Post by: wgreason on January 25, 2008, 05:17:29 am

What are the most impressive established expressions of Wakandan technology?

kimoyo
vibranium microweave
sub-orbital flyers
energy daggers
sonic showers
sonic firearm disruption
THROB
time/space travel (frogs)
clean renewable energy and water
mystical disruption (Mephisto)
polymorph (other) - (Black Dragon)
hard light construction
magnetic flight
...

I started wondering about this when Panther told Thing that he shouldn't worry about guns since Wakandans had been disarming them for centuries.

What else haven't we seen?

This thread could lead to some amazing speculation, and maybe one day some thing cool showing up in a story ...

my hypothetical list of Wakandan tech includes
teleportation
energy dampening
polymorph (self) effects
astral projection
hard light simulation
...
thinking about this, it seems odd that Killmonger's Ivan Boeski routine worked at all.  Since they're so much more technically advanced, it would seem logical that their financial sophistication would also be more profound.  (combination of competitive and cooperative economics in macro-financial contexts, etc.)

...

welcoming other concepts and ideas ...
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on January 27, 2008, 10:37:03 am
it also strikes me that 'restraint' seems to be a HUGE part of wakandan culture ... back to the whole, Panther doesn't built a massive suit of tech-armor because he chooses not to.

Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Hypestyle on September 17, 2008, 08:52:44 am
should there be a "Legacy of the Panther" series focusing on previous Panthers?

mini-series, for sure, I'd buy them, with Mr. Reggie writing...
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 17, 2008, 01:33:05 pm
wg's points are nothing short of fascinating,and "Legacy of the Black Panthers" would be (at least) every bit as engaging as the lineage of Iron Fists.JA or PRIEST would merk this book.In fact,JA+PRIEST would be the premier ubermongo combo team on this kind of book.

wg raises very interesting points regarding KM's spiel and position in Wakanda.I'm thinking that KM would thrive in the regions of Wakanda that pool the general dissatisfaction with BP's globe trotting and the areas that have a greater suspicion of tech (not an ABSENCE of tech,just equivalent to USA tech...which is low grade tech in Wakanda) and therefore more magic and work with the Earth.Then there's Man-Ape and Karnaj and those guys.They didn't spring outta nowhere.There are still many unexplored refions in Wakanda.There could/should large underground and other dimensional areas and aspects of Wakanda that have literally never been explored by anyone.

The potential is LIMITLESS.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on September 18, 2008, 06:29:50 am

the otherdimensional aspects of Wakandan territory as very cool.

I'd love to see a future story where a T'Challa descendent became a Marvel equivalent of High-Father (Kirby), communing with an elevated Panther god who governs the divinities in the multiverse.

It would also be great to see a past Panther who was Earth's sorcerer supreme -- maybe in the 1300s in relation to the global economy under the caliphate.

Most of all, it would be amazing to see T'Challa's scientists experimenting with string theory and human consciousness -- revealing that the Panther can perceive reality, exist, and act in multiple dimensions simultaneously ... a possibly that might wait in the distant future of human evolution.

Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 18, 2008, 12:55:45 pm
^^^^OMFG what GREAT IDEAS!! where did you come up with this,dub g?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: wgreason on September 19, 2008, 04:25:51 am

thanks, supreme.

i am fortunate enough that i get to play with big ideas every day on my job, so it helps to brainstorm about new entertainment possibilities.

final crisis probably had me thinking about the elevation of the Panther to explicit god status (the process currently happening for the dc heroes)

obsidian age (jla) shaped my idea about the earlier sorcerer panther

i have some vague intuition that the simultaneous consciousness thing is rooted in my watching babylon 5 a few years ago

Your question makes me wonder how my imagination works ... is it representative of how human imagination works generally ... and brings me back to a question i grapple with regularly -- at the intersection of reason, emotion, intuition, and logic, what is the limit of psychic possibility for human beings?


Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: st charles on October 04, 2008, 07:59:58 pm
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on October 06, 2008, 06:57:35 am
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Y'know I've GOT the Marvel Atlas but I barely look at it. Damn tiny ass typeface. If there are THAT many Wakandans how'd they stay "hidden" for so long?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 06, 2008, 09:50:51 am
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Six million and the Skrulls invaded with an army 2 to 3 times the size of the population of Wakanda? That means Skrulls invaded with an army of 12 to 16 million people?

Hmm, here is a a question, how does a nation divided by tribal differences stand strong?  I see Doom helping some of these tribes to rebel. 

As far as economy-a isolationist nation that won't share the cure for cancer, probably wouldn't sell just a limited and damgerous resource to make money.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on October 06, 2008, 11:11:45 am
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Six million and the Skrulls invaded with an army 2 to 3 times the size of the population of Wakanda? That means Skrulls invaded with an army of 12 to 16 million people?

Hmm, here is a a question, how does a nation divided by tribal differences stand strong?  I see Doom helping some of these tribes to rebel.

As far as economy-a isolationist nation that won't share the cure for cancer, probably wouldn't sell just a limited and damgerous resource to make money.

Yeah I thought of that. That's why I later amended what I wrote to this :

Quote
Well, you're right about that. It's not like the outside world would have had any use for Vibrainum at all until the atomic age.

On further thought, there's a real simple explanation for the source of the Wakandans' weath.

Check out that goofy old map of Wakanda and notice that KING SOLOMON'S MINES are within a two days march of Wakanda.

They've (the Wakandans) been very likely rolling in gold (and/or diamonds) for centuries. This would also be the other reason for the constant aggresion from the outside world. They were seeking the mines.

They'd probably trade the gold thru proxies (servants of the king) to the outside world who would have no idea where the gold really came from. Occasionally somebody'd get greedy and Black Panther'd have smack up a fool, but otherwise the system's workable.

As far as Population goes: Even if the 6 million number is official, it still makes no sense. here's just one of the reasons why. The Wakandan/Skrull war was depicted as a short but bloody confrontation. A war involving millions on either side would have gong on as long as a major world war and wreaked havoc across the continent. Even if the combatants were only limited to primitive weaponry the blowback would be hellish.

As for the unity issue: the Wakandans are probably united only in their Xenophobia. The tribes may dislike each other but they HATE the outside world even worse.  It's the reason why T'Challa has so much trouble with insurrectionists like Achebe, Killmonger, Man-Ape and Solomon Prey. They are probably a good amount of Wankandans who are rooting for those guys.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: st charles on October 07, 2008, 07:11:27 pm
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Y'know I've GOT the Marvel Atlas but I barely look at it. Damn tiny ass typeface. If there are THAT many Wakandans how'd they stay "hidden" for so long?

Good point.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: J.R. LeMar on October 07, 2008, 07:34:32 pm
Y'know I've GOT the Marvel Atlas but I barely look at it. Damn tiny ass typeface. If there are THAT many Wakandans how'd they stay "hidden" for so long?

Good point.

Yes, it wouldn't have been very realistic for them to have been "hidden", which is why Hudlin's retcon of Wakanda's history makes more sense. People knew about them, but just left them alone, because they were so bad@$$ that they defeated everyone who ever tried to attack them. And that's how they were able to have time to develop their advanced technology over the centuries.

But we haven't seen enough of Hudlin's take on Wakanda's everyday culture and lifestyle to know how much of the rest of that old history from the Atlas still applies. We don't know if those various tribal rivalries still exists, though we @ least know that Man-Ape's tribe is still around and, apparently, has some anger towards T'Challa. Nor do we know if there is still a city named after Killmonger, which was depicted as full of Western businesses like Starbucks and McDonalds, but it seems unlikely if this version of Wakanda has been so isolationist. It was mentioned during the wedding storyline that this was the first time they even had to build hotels, to take care of all the guests from the rest of the world.
So there's still alot to be explored in this book. Hopefully Hudlin will examine this in future storylines.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 27, 2008, 11:10:27 am
I was looking again at Marvel.com's history of BP,and Lordy have they done a good job--better than I expected, and honestly I didn't expect much of them--of integrating RH BP with PRIEST BP. Apparently Hunter is still part of RH BP,and so is the entire PRIEST cast and crew. RH simply hasn't featured them to date in his BP, although to me the appearance of RH BP in the PRIEST ERA BP abbot and the Kimoyo Card in RH BP CW foreshadowed and underwrote these changes. Then the Wakandan Hatut Zeraze in YOST's Storm mini simply underscored the fact that RH BP is fully aligned with PRIEST BP.

KASPER COLE!!

uhhh...mah bad...

KAAAAAASSSSPEEER..!

Ya know? I'd like to see Falcon again
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on January 02, 2013, 02:56:51 pm
just bumping cuz it is amazing this thread was still on the first page of the folder... :-)
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on September 04, 2013, 05:18:38 pm

How has Wakanda changed since Priest revitalized it?

It seems like a much more complicated place over the last 5-6 years.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on January 19, 2014, 02:05:08 pm
I will get into this later this week...
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on May 14, 2014, 06:11:53 am

Supreme!!
Bring your knowledge!
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: KidKamikaze10 on May 14, 2014, 06:33:26 am
Yikes, Hickman opened a can of worms after this recent issue of New Avengers.  It was something I had always suspected to be true about Wakanda's relationship with other countries, but seeing it in that light, and seeing what the story was justifying, was pretty shocking.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Vic Vega on May 14, 2014, 07:46:48 am
Yikes, Hickman opened a can of worms after this recent issue of New Avengers.  It was something I had always suspected to be true about Wakanda's relationship with other countries, but seeing it in that light, and seeing what the story was justifying, was pretty shocking.

Yeah, this is just one more of the (many) reasons why I figure the less of Wakanda we actually see the better.

There isn't any way around the old "They let thier fellow Africans starve and worse" charge.
Since "Why should we help people who've tried to take our #$%^ by force?" doesn't really work for most.

Just let Wakanda be Black Panther's personal Atlantis that he returns to only infrequently.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Hypestyle on May 14, 2014, 08:19:40 am
Yikes, Hickman opened a can of worms after this recent issue of New Avengers.  It was something I had always suspected to be true about Wakanda's relationship with other countries, but seeing it in that light, and seeing what the story was justifying, was pretty shocking.

???????? what's the revelation?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 25, 2014, 04:58:09 pm
I think that there is a perfectly good reason for Wakanda's actions visavis the rest of Africa...in fact? Several good reasons.

And I think that RH made a very good argument for almost all of them during his tenure.

Fact is? A lot of us are starting way too late in Wakanda's history and bringing up questions as if the previous history wasn't of the first importance regarding understanding what is happening in Wakanda and why it's happening in Wakanda the way it's happening in Wakanda.

Wakanda has been undefeated for 10,000 years. That literally takes us back to the Upper Paleothic period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_millennium_BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_millennium_BC)

Wakanda has been at the forefront of civilized development in the MU even back then, and was/is unquestionably the pinnacle civilization in every regard, insofar as humans are concerned.

Why is that important? Because it puts Wakanda in the sights of a wide variety of Marvel beings that were interested in Earth for various reasons at that time:

All of the legendary Gods from all the pantheons [ Egyptian/African being paramount, because no other human civilization worthy of the name was in existence in 8000 BC ].

The Kree...who were on a station located in Uranus due to the ramifications of the Kree-Skrull Wars. The Kree were drawn to Earth due to curiosity regarding the actions of The Celestials the genetic potential invested in its populace by The Celestials. They initiated the process...millions of years ago...that would result in The Inhumans. And as time would show? The Kree kept an eye on humanity ever since...

There are The Inhumans themselves, and both their treatment of The Unspoken..the first great king of The Inhumans who Black Bolt in his youthful rashness overthrew...and their creation of The Slave Engine, which The Unspoken decided to never use. Even against the encroaching hordes of humanity; a distinctly like humane but highly unpopular secret decision of The Unspoken's reign which ignited the successful revolt and coup of Black Bolt. [ We know that The Wakandans would be watching this with great interest and suspicion ].

And a lot more...


...so what would stop the crafty Wakandans from playing the long game of building themselves up to defeat each and every one of these extrahuman definite/probable/possible threats, and deciding that humanity's best chance lay in themselves? Not much. And that would be very characteristic of The Wakandans.

The Original Sin of Wakanda might be that she surreptitiously from behind the scenes encouraged the tech growth and warfare skills of humanity only to see it spike to the point that humanity might be able to fight off these extraterrestrial powers...and wreak havoc upon itself. That might also add some serious layers to Wakanda's unwillingness to go further than it already has when the slave trade and other things like The Bubonic Plague came about.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on December 11, 2014, 04:36:14 pm

What would T'Challa do in response to #ICantBreathe?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Francisco on December 11, 2014, 07:39:13 pm

What would T'Challa do in response to #ICantBreathe?

Nothing. It's not his country. It would be either Steve Rogers or Sam Wilson the current Captain America whom should do something in response.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Booshman on December 13, 2014, 05:42:03 am

What would T'Challa do in response to #ICantBreathe?

Nothing, as he's not an American. Although if any Wakandan WERE to do anything, it would BE T'challa before anyone else. Especially if he were connected to the Garner family, in anyway.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Hypestyle on December 13, 2014, 06:22:33 am
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What would T'Challa do in response to #ICantBreathe?
T'Challa would continue secretly offering full scholarships for economically vulnerable African American students to study at the University of Wakanda; also he'd be funding local self-defense workshops and public policy advocacy groups through backdoor channels.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on December 15, 2014, 09:18:06 am

Interesting idea that T'Challa would do nothing, especially given the global scale of the protests over the last two weeks.  I would definitely see the interventions Hypestyle describes ... guidance & mentoring for Captain America, Luke Cage, and Pulsar ... a guest shot with the Mighty Avengers would definitely be in order.
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: KIP LEWIS on December 15, 2014, 09:40:56 am
Well right now,  given what is going on in New Avengers,  he is probably doing nothing,  especially since he is a pariah to the Wakandans. 
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: supreme illuminati on December 26, 2014, 03:31:40 pm

What would T'Challa do in response to #ICantBreathe?

TChalla would just #Breathe
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on January 11, 2015, 04:08:14 pm

Now that the Golden City has fallen, how would you rebuild it if you were T'Challa?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Kimoyo on January 11, 2015, 06:49:46 pm
If Wakanda were to actually be decimated to the degree Hickman depicts, especially if it were still deprived of its wealth of Vibranium rendered inert to defeat Doom, Wakanda would be vulnerable to attack (not sure attack is right given the current state of its defenses, more like looting) to every nation that previously failed at invasion.  Even neighboring countries which may never have attempted to invade Wakanda would be bolder for the former power's weakness.

As such, the only way I can imagine T'Challa rebuilding the Golden City is if the devastation did not extend to Wakanda's surrounding tribes and villages and T'Challa was able to recruit new staff, a new council, new defense forces, etc., from the followers of the Whie Gorilla cult, N'djaka village and others.  Unfortunately, T'Challa is poorly positioned to garner the confidence of any dissidents given his culpability in the events that have resulted in Wakanda's demise.

My two cents,

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on January 15, 2015, 06:28:48 am

Or was the price of T'Challa's acceptance in the core narrative in the MU the destruction of his nation?
Title: Re: culture of Wakanda
Post by: Metro on December 04, 2020, 07:16:57 am

Reginald Hudlin Makes Meaning in Hollywood (Secret Origins of the Wakanda Syllabus)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VlVvTxTWOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VlVvTxTWOA)