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Title: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: The Evasive 1 on September 25, 2007, 12:21:44 am
I found out about the new Batman cartoon a year ago when a Halloween special came on, Batman vs. Dracula. The animation is nice but it definitely wasn't the same Batman from the JLU series. Anyway I started watching the show from time to time and actually started to like it. Alot of the villains have been reimagined in one way or another but the series is actually ok. The series started out with Batman going solo, then eventually Batgirl teams up and then Robin. Last season he teamed up with Martian Manhunter and he joins the Justice League.

Well, I caught the season premiere last week and guess who is teaming up with him now? Would you believe Superman?!? But that isn't the best part. In this two part episode you have Superman, Lois Lane and Lex Luthor and the same voice actors from the JLU series are voicing the characters! Now, Clancy Brown was already on the new Batman series voicing Mr. Freeze, but it was really cool to hear him reprise the role of Lex Luthor. The only downside is that Batman is not voiced by Kevin Conroy in this series so he is the only unfamiliar voice to longtime fans.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 25, 2007, 04:08:46 am
darn you!
i thought i was gonna be the first to post about this show.

i LOVE the batman.
a lot of ppl hate it because it's a new twist on the dark knight...kinda like an elseworlds version, ya know?

anyway, what's cool about this season is that the voices from the bruce timm era DC shows are being used: Superman/Clark, Lois Lane, Luthor and maybe Jimmy Olse, but im not sure.

it just made the show THAT MUCH BETTER.

now to read the first post.
 :D
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Sunjata on September 25, 2007, 09:07:16 am
I am a Batman fan.  Love the Bruce Timm version!  I watched about 5 episodes of this version and hated it.  I am done with it.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: moor on September 25, 2007, 09:43:14 am
It's definitely not Timm's Batman, but I've been hooked since the first season.  Some great voice acting has earned  it 4 daytime Emmys.  You can see the deliberate pacing of the series through the last 3 seasons, and it's probably a bit easier to handle the transition if you watch the DVD's.   
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Catch22 on September 25, 2007, 10:15:57 am
The re-imagining of the villains have been hit or miss for me, but for the most part, I like the show.  It's definitely not the Timm-verse version of Batman, but I don't mind....it makes this take more unique, like MM said you can view it like an "Elseworlds" version of Batman.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 25, 2007, 10:18:02 am
glad 2 know that you guys aren't haters cuz this is great television!
:)
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Catch22 on September 25, 2007, 10:21:38 am
glad 2 know that you guys aren't haters cuz this is great television!
:)

What's not to like?  Unlike the last Spider-Man Animated Series, Bats actually gets to punch people and show his physical prowess while at the same time figuring things out with that keen detective mind.  It's depth is not that of the original Batman:TAS, but it's good fun.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 25, 2007, 07:49:17 pm
I am a Batman fan.  Love the Bruce Timm version!  I watched about 5 episodes of this version and hated it.  I am done with it.

Give it another shot.  The first year of this was rough, but as the series went on it either got better or it grew on me. 

My only fear (well, not a fear, just wondering) that it is going to become Batman and the DCU more than just Batman.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: The Evasive 1 on September 26, 2007, 02:22:28 am
My only fear (well, not a fear, just wondering) that it is going to become Batman and the DCU more than just Batman.

Yeah, I'm scared that may happen too. I hope they just keep the other DC heroes to guest appearances only.

Speaking of which, did anyone catch the one episode that was in the future? Showed Batman nearing the end of his career, Nightwing and Oracle. Even though this Batman series is kind of a re-imagining, the producers don't go to far from canon. I think one the biggest shifts from the original legend is Batgirl becoming Batman's sidekick before Robin showed up.

Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 26, 2007, 06:00:10 am
Speaking of which, did anyone catch the one episode that was in the future? Showed Batman nearing the end of his career, Nightwing and Oracle. Even though this Batman series is kind of a re-imagining, the producers don't go to far from canon. I think one the biggest shifts from the original legend is Batgirl becoming Batman's sidekick before Robin showed up.



Well, to me, Joker was the biggest shift.  Making him an acrobat took some getting used to, but yes, that episode was probably the best of the series.  That "older" Bats and crew would make an interesting series.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: The Evasive 1 on September 26, 2007, 10:06:07 am
Well, to me, Joker was the biggest shift.  Making him an acrobat took some getting used to, but yes, that episode was probably the best of the series.  That "older" Bats and crew would make an interesting series.

..and him running around without shoes like an animal, or Bane turning into some type of big, red creature out of Monsters,Inc.. Pretty much all the villains have a new look and sense about them. I didn't like all the changes they did either, but eventually the show grew on me.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: JAXN on September 26, 2007, 10:19:26 am
I enjoy both Batman and Legion. The new take on Batman's beginning is nice and this version of the Joker is the best imo. He comes off as a worthy opponent for Bruce.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Sam Wilson on September 28, 2007, 03:55:43 am
I"m a die hard Bruce Timm fan to the end, that being said I still really like this new Batman Cartoon.  A little two much on the gadgets sometimes, and I didn't care for the new clayface or the kung fu penguin, but other than that I'm aiight with it.  Martain Manhunter and Supes are a welcome addition, hopefully we'll see more league members soon...
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: The Evasive 1 on September 29, 2007, 06:07:51 pm
Okay, just watched the second part of the Batman/Superman team-up. I have to say it was off the hinges! This episode truly stand up there with the Bruce Timm/McDuffie JLU series. Batman and Superman actually fought and it was done in a somewhat realistic (for comic book characters) way. This episode only made me fiend for a return of the JLU series. From the way things are going I could actually see WB restart one which, if they can get most of the original voice actors and story writers, would be cool.

Unfortunately, I see the Batman series becoming a series of Batman team ups with the JLA members. Though I liked this last episode, it kind of turn into a Superman show near the end. In fact, Green Arrow is supposed to be in the next episode. If things keep going this way, we'll see all of the JLA show up in the Batman series. This, of course, would make alot of the Hal Jordan fanbratti happy as the League is made up of only Hal, Flash, Green Arrow, Hawkman, Martain Manhunter (I know some want to classify Jonn as a hero of color but other than is voice actor you don't see that. Afterall, his identity is still a white guy) and now Superman. The JLA depicted in Batman has no heroes of color or women. No Wonder woman (yet), John Stewart or Hawkgirl.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on September 30, 2007, 06:36:15 am
kids wb! comes on Sundays in Atlanta... so i'll watch it later 2day.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 30, 2007, 06:42:42 pm
Okay, just watched the second part of the Batman/Superman team-up. I have to say it was off the hinges! This episode truly stand up there with the Bruce Timm/McDuffie JLU series. You Batman and Superman actually fought and it was done in a somewhat realistc (for comic book characters) way. This episode only made me fiend for a return of the JLU series. From the way things are going I could actually see WB restart one which, if they can get most of the original voice actors and story writers, would be cool.

Unfortunately, I see the Batman series becoming a series of Batman team ups with the JLA members. Though I liked this last episode, it kind of turn into a Superman show near the end. In fact, Green Arrow is supposed to be in the next episode. If Things keep going this way, we'll see all of the JLA show up in the Batman series. This, of course, would make alot of the Hal Jordan fanbratti happy as the League is made up of only Hal, Flash, Green Arrow, Hawkman, Martain Manhunter (I know some want to classify Jonn as a hero of color but other than is voice actor you don't see that. Afterall his identity is still a white guy) and now Superman. the JLA depicted in Batman has no heroes of color or women. No Wonder woman (yet), John Stewart or Hawkgirl.

Outside of the voice casting, I pretty much ditto everything you said about the quality of this show.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on February 18, 2008, 10:30:15 am
At first I thought the show was stupid! after all Batman had a round head!!!! The guy doing the joker was a decent replacement for mark hamill but for me the show didn't take off until the episode where the joker dresses up as the Batman. Have you guys checked out the movie Batman vs Dracula? the joker had some very funny lines in the movie
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on February 18, 2008, 02:46:25 pm
i thought i was the only The Batman fan in here.
i love it!

it's like a younger elseworlds version or somethin'.
i can dig it.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on February 22, 2008, 07:33:03 am
True, it started out slow but picked up momentum with the clayface origins, and the joker vs penguin and joker/riddler/penguin battles were introduced
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 09, 2008, 07:58:15 am
The show has now begun to show the JLA more so than Batgirl/Robin
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: D- Ruck on March 09, 2008, 01:17:56 pm
I took a couple looks at it and didn't think much, I think JLU was still going on at the time, but if y'all say it's gotten better, I guess I'll give it a shot next week
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 09, 2008, 03:16:16 pm
It has gotten better but I think the producers now are trying to expand on Mcduffies take on the JLI
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Redjack on March 09, 2008, 03:26:22 pm
I think they're trying to re-write it.

No Hawkgirl. No John Stewart. THey want it back the way it was before.

I'm not happy.


Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 09, 2008, 03:30:33 pm
They will never be able to touch the stuff Mcduffie began on JLI
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 13, 2008, 04:00:19 pm
mcduffie's league is untouchable, but i AM a fan of The Batman!
Good stuff all around.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: moor on March 13, 2008, 04:35:59 pm
I guess this is all moot since none of these shows will be returning anytime soon.. Batman had its series finale.  Legion of Superheroes is not returning, and well... RIP Justice League


Curse Fox Kids!!!

Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 13, 2008, 09:14:25 pm
The Batman or ol' skool batman.
and no more Legion of Superheroes?
that's foul.

so, are u sayingthat you know what's comingon Fox kids?
didnt know anything had been announced!

they're keeping spiderman, right?
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 14, 2008, 11:33:36 am
So "Lost Powers" is the series finale? what is the deal with these animators?! why do all superhero shows end so abruptly? Xmen Evolution ends with the rebirth of Apocalypse; JLU ends with the rebirth of Darkseid; Spawn ended with the war between heaven and hell escalating with what else? the birth of Spawn/Wandas' child!
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 14, 2008, 10:37:29 pm
unresolved cliffhangers suck.

YOU HEAR ME "LOST?"
Unresolved cliffhangers suck!
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 15, 2008, 07:52:21 am
What is insulting to me is the indifference shown the fans of these shows; these guys (Fox, CW, Cartoon Network, whoever) put the shows on air hoping to generate an audience for it, and once they do then it leaves with no warning
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 17, 2008, 06:04:35 pm
So "Lost Powers" is the series finale? what is the deal with these animators?! why do all superhero shows end so abruptly? Xmen Evolution ends with the rebirth of Apocalypse; JLU ends with the rebirth of Darkseid; Spawn ended with the war between heaven and hell escalating with what else? the birth of Spawn/Wandas' child!

Wait, JLU ends with the rebirth of Darkseid? You mean the episode where Darkseid tricks Luthor and the Injustice Gang into resurrecting him?  That wasn't the last episode. 



Umm spoilers maybe.  Darkseid was reborn only to meet his end in the next-finale episode at the hands of Luthor with the Anti-life equation.  (Luthor bought it too in the end.  Well, bought it in as much as no-bodies were found).  There was a definite ending here.  Unless I missed something after this.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 18, 2008, 03:12:57 pm
The climax was the rebirth of Darkseid, after that it was a let down that he went right back to the same thing trying to destroy the earth! you are right in that there was more to be seen, but the rebirth was the climax, remember that luthor never came close to being a Demigod ever again. No scratch that! Wasn't epilogue THE last story? You know when amanda Waller told Terry McGinnis that he was Batmans' clone?
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Hypestyle on March 18, 2008, 04:14:06 pm
I hope they come out with a complete series dvd set of "The Batman".. i'll wait for that..
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 19, 2008, 01:38:45 am
as it stands now you can cherry pick the seasons that you want
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Vic Vega on March 19, 2008, 11:13:24 am
I'm really sorry to see the Batman show go.

It didn't take as long for me to warm up to the animation style or character designs as it did for some. I loved Rasta Joker and Goth Riddler.

When they added the Justice League they still managed to keep the focus on Batman. My only quibbles were why no John Stewart (I know, I know the Hal fans have to get something ;) ) and why no Black Canary or Hawkgirl instead of Hawkman.

They didn't try for groudbraking they just tried to entertain and they did a really, really good job of that, I think.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 19, 2008, 11:30:58 am
The only time the show was boring was when they had both robin/batgirl on the same show their back and forth was sickening
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: The Evasive 1 on March 20, 2008, 11:36:09 am
The only time the show was boring was when they had both robin/batgirl on the same show their back and forth was sickening

I actually, like when Robin and Batgirl were in the same episode as Batman.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 20, 2008, 11:56:59 am
The show had a darker tone when Bats was by himself, but the back and forth banter between robin and batgirl was a little too childish for me. I did like their individual introductions to the show but if you noticed they did not appear together many times 
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 20, 2008, 11:58:52 am
That new theme song was also lousy! it sounded like Hawaii 5-0!
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 20, 2008, 02:20:10 pm
man, i luv the theme.
i get crunk off of it every time... not as much as I do with the johnny test!
ask the wife, i get my air guitar ON!
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 20, 2008, 03:58:22 pm
Book em Dano ;D!
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 23, 2008, 06:24:58 pm
dont nobody say nothin' bad about hawaii 5-0...well, except for that crossover episode with sanford and son.
ewwww....
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 24, 2008, 08:52:22 am
MM, I used to watch H5-0 all the time, but you have to admit the Batman theme song during the first few seasons was a little more edgy and better suited for the show. I equated the new theme song with the introduction of batgirl/robin and their banter back and forth was too much like the wonder twins! I agree the Sandford and Son crossover was lame
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 28, 2008, 09:41:56 am
the wonder twins?
eeegads, man!

come on...that wasn't necessary.

i liked the banter between the two. i reminded us that they are kids. Bruce has children in his employ to battle the evils of gotham city and beyond.

Kids.
so...kids will be kids...and if u dont like kids... kiddy banter will irk you.
hahaha
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: moor on March 28, 2008, 06:39:49 pm
I actually thought the flow of the latest animated series was pretty consistent with the Batman mythos, in terms of his progression through Year 1, Year 2, Year 3, etc. i.e.  solo, partner, team player...


Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 28, 2008, 08:09:57 pm
Not quite moor this Batman show had a Batgirl before there was a robin, and barbara gordon is older than dick grayson in this show
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: moor on March 28, 2008, 11:34:16 pm
Not quite moor this Batman show had a Batgirl before there was a robin, and barbara gordon is older than dick grayson in this show

you're right... I was a bit hazy when I posted that..  I was half cocked remembering some of the stuff that was considered canon prior to Zero Hour, i.e. Miller's Year 1, Barr's Year 2, and Dixon's Year 3.  But two retcons later, and they are now a moot point :D

But I did actually like the fact that they waited to bring Robin into the series!
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 29, 2008, 05:52:58 am
Really? why?
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: moor on March 30, 2008, 12:18:47 am
Really? why?

You can actually see the character mature through the progression of the show.  First with Babs testing his patience, then with the second addition to his "family" you see a much more playful side to him.. finally toward the end of the series he's allowed himself to be more of a hero, and less of a vigilante.  They actually summed up about 20-30 years of progression very nicely in the four seasons that the show aired...  I was was impressed.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 30, 2008, 03:15:53 am
That is a good point moor I didn't look at it that way, I just wanted to see more of the supporting cast evolve. Det Ellen Yen was an integral part of the first few seasons then she vanished from the show. Bats would need more than one cop on his side
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 30, 2008, 08:55:50 am
yeah...i miss yen.
oh well.
now i miss The Batman.
Title: Re: The Batman..anybody watch it?
Post by: karaszero on March 30, 2008, 10:13:57 am
for a minute I was hoping for a romance with Bats or Yen becoming batwoman