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Title: A suggestion
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on January 02, 2008, 10:28:03 pm
Since this is a forum filled with comic fans I suggest we change the General Heyman thread to the Ressurection Man thread. We know he will be back and it will make for a convenient setting for all his wisdom despite what ever other alias i.e. TruthLies he will come up with in the future.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 03, 2008, 08:31:01 am
We're onto him. He's a Whack-a-Mole. But I've got my mallet...

I don't begin to understand the mentality of someone who keeps returning to annoy when he's already been shown the door. If need be, we'll report him to his ISP.

So, Heyman, if you're reading (and we all know you are), don't go away mad, just go away.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Vic Vega on January 03, 2008, 12:45:06 pm
Bull.

You aren't the first BET detractor to come on these board and you won't be the last.

Your steadfast refusal to rebut any counter-claims made to is what makes you a waste of space.

And if you keep coming back after being banned repeatedly I have to wonder about your priorities.

You've GOTS to have better things to do than go where your clearly not wanted...   
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Cheirel on January 04, 2008, 12:01:21 am
if I'm not offending anyone, what's the point of wasting your time
to ban me.  I represent a different viewpoint and it's

ohh he's the bad guy, ohh please ban him ohh please
he's too blame, he's the scapegoat

Metcalf is snitching he's bringing Admins and the whole task force


GANGSTER RAP MADE ME DO IT!

I can reccomend a very good doctor in your area to help you work your through issues. Or maybe you just need to start back on your medication. Professinally speaking you should never stop pychotrpic drugs suddenly.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 08:43:32 am
I do ask why BET detractors waste their time with 'image" obsession when the mainstream of Euro-American perspective of black people hasn't changed that much since we stood on auction blocks?
You are either a racist or you are not; a stupid music video wouldn't change your mind either way. Now as far as self-image and the effect that BET programming may have; now THAT's a possible can of worms to be opened and remains to be proven. Since May of '07 when I was introduced to the black blogosphere, there were plenty of bloggers who all seemed to hold the position that BET was no damn good for ANYBODY. During the the Johnson reign I agreed, but still felt that the "new blood", mainly Hudlin needed the time and space to make the changes from "Hoochie and Gangsta" programming to something more progressive or at least morte balanced. I didn't even know that Hudlin and others took over until '05, but still felt that making changes of some kind would take time. After all, Johnson sold his business to Viacom; this meant that their new CEO, Debra Lee would have to answer to Viacom and its shareholders who only care about one thing; the bottom line.

Make all the money from sponsors, but spend next to nothing on 'reality' shows. This is not programming brilliance on Debra Lee's part; you can see this formula on MTV to this day or the Oxygen network.

I still support HGM or We gotto do better because I'm one of the few black folks out there who got what Jam was doing and I thought making it into a show would have been a strong impact or mirroring the foolishness of some black folk. Boondocks does it every episode. How is that the right-wing of the black blogosphere can uphold the words of Cosby but attack HGM or "Read a Book?" when the video or HGM was saying the same things he's been saying?

The problem I'm having now is that HGM (which I suspect has been canceled for the next season) or "Read a Book" are only drops in the bucket when it comes to the rest of BET programming. The rest is still minstrel fodder to me and at this juncture signifies that BET will not get any better than what we see now. In fact, I'm willing to bet money that the network will remain this way even after Hudlin or Lee leaves. All of the basic cable networks follow the the easy route of non-creativity and easy money; this will let them stay afloat. There are very few networks that are daring and will "go there" as far as being interesting and taking risks. Logo comes to mind. Yes, I said Logo. You know it's bad when a straight black man and his wife watch more Logo than any other cable channel on the weekends or week nights. Why? Because we are smart people that like to be entertained and Logo does that (to some degree).
It started when they showed Noah's Ark (which they canceled). I liked that they took a risk. You think Noah would have been shown on BET? The network is not perfect they too have dumbed down their programming in the past year, but they still have no issue showing the films of their culture/community or letting their viewers vote for their favorite music artist to be shown on the air. Does BET do that?
No, but unlike the protesters, I am realistic about capitalism. You want art to represent your people or the culture /community they come from? Then the raltionship between art and business must be attacked and redefined.

I respect Hudlin due to his involvement with Boondocks, Birth of a Nation, and the Panther series, but I think he's done all he can at BET. What I do fault him for is the defensiveness in the face of protest  or criticism, the behavior of others on this board seems to follow suit. You don't need to ban people just because they have a different view. Ignore them, the trolls disappear when you starve them out.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: bluezulu on January 07, 2008, 08:55:47 am
" Minstrel Fodder" seems a little strong? I mean out of a few suspect music videos what shows are exactly minstrel like? The SH%t is going to hit the fan when the Boondocks episode airs when Huey protest BET. I hope McGruder shows balance like he has in all of the shows showing both the foolishness of some black folks and the single mindedness of the Huey types who think that if we are not in the streets fist in the air having hunger strikes then we are not down for the cause.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 07, 2008, 09:12:26 am
What I do fault him for is the defensiveness in the face of protest  or criticism, the behavior of others on this board seems to follow suit. You don't need to ban people just because they have a different view. Ignore them, the trolls disappear when you starve them out.

Your implication is erroneous. Heyman was not banned for expressing a different point of view but for repeatedly being a nuisance. As Jefferson Sargent put it so well:

Bull.

You aren't the first BET detractor to come on these board and you won't be the last.

Your steadfast refusal to rebut any counter-claims made to is what makes you a waste of space.

And if you keep coming back after being banned repeatedly I have to wonder about your priorities.

You've GOTS to have better things to do than go where you're clearly not wanted...   

You can say what you wish here but you must do it with civility. We encourage dialog.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 07, 2008, 09:25:04 am
I still support HGM or We gotto do better because I'm one of the few black folks out there who got what Jam was doing and I thought making it into a show would have been a strong impact or mirroring the foolishness of some black folk. Boondocks does it every episode. How is that the right-wing of the black blogosphere can uphold the words of Cosby but attack HGM or "Read a Book?" when the video or HGM was saying the same things he's been saying?
I think that's a good point. I have wondered the same thing.

The problem I'm having now is that HGM (which I suspect has been canceled for the next season) or "Read a Book" are only drops in the bucket when it comes to the rest of BET programming. The rest is still minstrel fodder to me and at this juncture signifies that BET will not get any better than what we see now.
Care to add some meat to those bones by being specific about what you don't like? I take you didn't care for Countdown to Lockdown, the DMX series, the Keyshia Cole series, College Hill, or Hell Date. What about American Gangster, Exalted, Meet The Faith, or Sunday Best? What else is there?

I think we're all looking forward to scripted original programming but I understand there are some projects in the works...
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: bluezulu on January 07, 2008, 09:35:14 am
Thanks for the list Curtis. Was killing time before a meeting and could not post all of the shows. I think when folks come in with blanket Bet is garbage statements then they should be made to post each show and systematically post what is wrong with each. Conversely we then should post the same number of shows from a random network and systematically go through what is wrong with those shows. Just the visual of such an exercise half way makes my point eh? Black folks are way more harder on black folks then what any one else could be.

American Gladiators is back on. If BET had an American Gladiators I bet the Armstong Williams of the world will equate it to Black on Black violence. ::)
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 11:31:14 am
[quote Care to add some meat to those bones by being specific about what you don't like? I take you didn't care for Countdown to Lockdown, the DMX series, the Keyshia Cole series, College Hill, or Hell Date. What about American Gangster, Exalted, Meet The Faith, or Sunday Best? What else is there?

I think we're all looking forward to scripted original programming but I understand there are some projects in the works...
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Yes, I wasn't being specific in my first post, but that was just to make my point that not all of those who protest BET need to make pest of themselves and not all pest need to be banned or threatened to being banned.

What I don't like and why:

Helldate - Was funny after the first three episodes. Very formulaic. The minstrel factor: the two midgets in devil costumes. Scripted.

Any or all the music video shows - Why? It's all about payola; just like the radio world and pretty much what MTV did before they stopped showing videos. No chances taken, experimenting with the audience to see if they would even want to see artists like Zap Mama; "Just show who's on the Bill Board top 10 and sell that sh*t to the sponsors."
While there are those from our community who express themselves in such deep complex ways such as "Supaman dat ho", why do we forget that there are others who express themselves the way Stickman form Dead Prez does? Where is the airtime for people like that? Yes, we know; black people are stupid and they don't like lyrics about stuff like politics and stuff. And neither do sponsors.

Comic View - Still an old hold over from the Johnson days. Comedy has more to do with personal taste, so what I write here has to do with what I like compared to the BS on CV. First, I believe that if you are not Richard Pryor or George Carlin get the f*ck off the stage! Yeah, I said, it Hamburger! Seriously, these dudes that they cut and paste into each episode from various cities, states, and time periods are about as funny as your parents when they tried to keep you from crying when you were two and teething. The physical humor the race comparisons; minstrel at its best.

American Gangster - I will say this; the production level on this show is far more eye-catching than the cheap productions found elsewhere on the network. It realluy is l;ike looking at an A & E doc. The problem is; it's all about gangsters. It seems that the creators of this show along with the show's enthusiasts are trying to cry out, "See, we have smart thugs just like Capone too. Our drug dealers can be jsut as blood thirsty and exploitative as the Italians were."

What I DO like about BET and why:

HGM (as to be originally aired) - the show's concept that to show how stupid our people can be, it would be far more powerful to use a TV show.

Wire reruns - I hate cop shows, but that's why I love the Wire; it's not a cop show. It was everything Charles Dutton had done with The Corner except the players are primarily dope dealers and cops. Really, HBO and the creators should be cutting the D-Man checks.

Girlfriends reruns - this show started out stupidly, but really, it turned out good. The writing stuck to the Cheers/Frasier style where characters are true to their natures and consistent with their actions.

Well, I posted this because I was asked to be specific, not to troll or attack. The best way to deal with stuff you don't like is to simply not watch. That has been my approach to the aspects of BET and the corporate comodification of black culture; don't buy it.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 11:34:13 am
I too felt that Heyman 2008 was just trying to start stuff, but didn't really back what he stood for, just being rhetorical and repetitive. While I do respect the mods of a bulletin board to keep trolling down, I think it shows a weakness for threatening to ban people.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 07, 2008, 12:39:43 pm
I too felt that Heyman 2008 was just trying to start stuff, but didn't really back what he stood for, just being rhetorical and repetitive. While I do respect the mods of a bulletin board to keep trolling down, I think it shows a weakness for threatening to ban people.

A) We don't threaten.
B) It's not a weakness. It's customer service.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 07, 2008, 12:51:45 pm
American Gangster - I will say this; the production level on this show is far more eye-catching than the cheap productions found elsewhere on the network. It realluy is l;ike looking at an A & E doc. The problem is; it's all about gangsters. It seems that the creators of this show along with the show's enthusiasts are trying to cry out, "See, we have smart thugs just like Capone too. Our drug dealers can be jsut as blood thirsty and exploitative as the Italians were."
That's interesting. My take on AG is that in a pop culture that romanticizes gansta culture and thug life, it tries to offer some truth as an antidote.

Wire reruns - I hate cop shows, but that's why I love the Wire; it's not a cop show. It was everything Charles Dutton had done with The Corner except the players are primarily dope dealers and cops. Really, HBO and the creators should be cutting the D-Man checks.
You realize that the creators of The Wire are also the creators of The Corner, right?

Well, I posted this because I was asked to be specific, not to troll or attack. The best way to deal with stuff you don't like is to simply not watch. That has been my approach to the aspects of BET and the corporate comodification of black culture; don't buy it.
It's all good, brotherkomrade. We're here to talk about it.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 01:05:05 pm
American Gangster - I will say this; the production level on this show is far more eye-catching than the cheap productions found elsewhere on the network. It realluy is l;ike looking at an A & E doc. The problem is; it's all about gangsters. It seems that the creators of this show along with the show's enthusiasts are trying to cry out, "See, we have smart thugs just like Capone too. Our drug dealers can be jsut as blood thirsty and exploitative as the Italians were."
That's interesting. My take on AG is that in a pop culture that romanticizes gansta culture and thug life, it tries to offer some truth as an antidote.

Wire reruns - I hate cop shows, but that's why I love the Wire; it's not a cop show. It was everything Charles Dutton had done with The Corner except the players are primarily dope dealers and cops. Really, HBO and the creators should be cutting the D-Man checks.
You realize that the creators of The Wire are also the creators of The Corner, right?

Well, I posted this because I was asked to be specific, not to troll or attack. The best way to deal with stuff you don't like is to simply not watch. That has been my approach to the aspects of BET and the corporate comodification of black culture; don't buy it.
It's all good, brotherkomrade. We're here to talk about it.

Ah yes, The David Simon connection. I forgot...
But I knew I was mad at somebody and I'm reminded that it wasn't Simon, but HBO for always "miniserial-ing" black life but green lighting shows full series where black people are either just co-stars or on the periphery; at least that was my initial reaction four years ago.

Thanks.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: bluezulu on January 07, 2008, 01:22:47 pm
[quote Care to add some meat to those bones by being specific about what you don't like? I take you didn't care for Countdown to Lockdown, the DMX series, the Keyshia Cole series, College Hill, or Hell Date. What about American Gangster, Exalted, Meet The Faith, or Sunday Best? What else is there?

I think we're all looking forward to scripted original programming but I understand there are some projects in the works...

Yes, I wasn't being specific in my first post, but that was just to make my point that not all of those who protest BET need to make pest of themselves and not all pest need to be banned or threatened to being banned.

What I don't like and why:

Helldate - Was funny after the first three episodes. Very formulaic. The minstrel factor: the two midgets in devil costumes. Scripted.

Any or all the music video shows - Why? It's all about payola; just like the radio world and pretty much what MTV did before they stopped showing videos. No chances taken, experimenting with the audience to see if they would even want to see artists like Zap Mama; "Just show who's on the Bill Board top 10 and sell that sh*t to the sponsors."
While there are those from our community who express themselves in such deep complex ways such as "Supaman dat ho", why do we forget that there are others who express themselves the way Stickman form Dead Prez does? Where is the airtime for people like that? Yes, we know; black people are stupid and they don't like lyrics about stuff like politics and stuff. And neither do sponsors.

Comic View - Still an old hold over from the Johnson days. Comedy has more to do with personal taste, so what I write here has to do with what I like compared to the BS on CV. First, I believe that if you are not Richard Pryor or George Carlin get the f*ck off the stage! Yeah, I said, it Hamburger! Seriously, these dudes that they cut and paste into each episode from various cities, states, and time periods are about as funny as your parents when they tried to keep you from crying when you were two and teething. The physical humor the race comparisons; minstrel at its best.

American Gangster - I will say this; the production level on this show is far more eye-catching than the cheap productions found elsewhere on the network. It realluy is l;ike looking at an A & E doc. The problem is; it's all about gangsters. It seems that the creators of this show along with the show's enthusiasts are trying to cry out, "See, we have smart thugs just like Capone too. Our drug dealers can be jsut as blood thirsty and exploitative as the Italians were."

What I DO like about BET and why:

HGM (as to be originally aired) - the show's concept that to show how stupid our people can be, it would be far more powerful to use a TV show.

Wire reruns - I hate cop shows, but that's why I love the Wire; it's not a cop show. It was everything Charles Dutton had done with The Corner except the players are primarily dope dealers and cops. Really, HBO and the creators should be cutting the D-Man checks.

Girlfriends reruns - this show started out stupidly, but really, it turned out good. The writing stuck to the Cheers/Frasier style where characters are true to their natures and consistent with their actions.

Well, I posted this because I was asked to be specific, not to troll or attack. The best way to deal with stuff you don't like is to simply not watch. That has been my approach to the aspects of BET and the corporate comodification of black culture; don't buy it.
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Fair assessments but I disagree on almost all points but a few.

Hell date: Funny. Good formula tic but so is Cheaters, elimidate and every other show in this fashion. We are not asking for ban from those other networks for Formulatic shows. The midgets. I can take them or leave them. I see it more of exploited to small people as opposed to minstrel like. Black folks don't have midgetry lock down do we?

Music videos. Cry to the cows come home. I am 35. I am out of the demographic for video shows. If you are younger then 30, good for you. However the format of Rap n RnB that you look for the artist shun the radio and the cross over any way. I love Dead Prez but can we be serious. The content of their songs like F*$# the Radio and Turn off that BS aint establishment so why place them in an audience that is not there's? VH1 Soul and MTV 2 Bet Jazz are more to your liking Bro. Take that up with your cable provider if you don't have them.

Comic View: I actually agree for the most part on this. Back in the day before it used all of the spliced acts it was very good. Launched a few comedians to the national spotlight as well. We can all agree that fresh new comedy shows are needed. But I bet it is cheap as hell and profitable to show those rerun acts all the time. The game show/comedy show that launched the career of that young cat, cant remember his name was good.

American Gangster: I disagree all the way around and as a fan of the show I am kind of insulted. We had a thread a while back on why reasonable upstanding members of the board who are professionals like us are drawn to a show like AG. Hard to say but I will watch A&E, History Channel and other shows like this so why not watch a show that profiles the exploits of notorious crime figures who are of color? I mean the Wire is the best show on TV and AG profiled one of the main figures of the Baltimore Drug trade with a wonderful ending message to boot.


But again thanks for being specific and adding to the overall dialog quality of the board.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 07, 2008, 01:27:18 pm
Ah yes, The David Simon connection. I forgot...
But I knew I was mad at somebody and I'm reminded that it wasn't Simon, but HBO for always "miniserial-ing" black life but green lighting shows full series where black people are either just co-stars or on the periphery; at least that was my initial reaction four years ago.

Thanks.

No problem. It was both David Simon and Ed Burns on both projects, I think. You're right about Mr. Dutton's involvement; I think he directed the whole series (The Corner, that is).
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Jenn on January 07, 2008, 04:36:05 pm
So, Heyman, if you're reading (and we all know you are), don't go away mad, just go away.

IIRC, can't you arrange it to where new accounts have to be activated - either by email validation or by moderators? Judging by his newest account (shshs@aol.com), he's not even using real email addresses.

I also recommend deleting any posts he makes, including the one above mine. But that's just me. :)
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 05:46:40 pm
Ah yes, The David Simon connection. I forgot...
But I knew I was mad at somebody and I'm reminded that it wasn't Simon, but HBO for always "miniserial-ing" black life but green lighting shows full series where black people are either just co-stars or on the periphery; at least that was my initial reaction four years ago.

Thanks.

No problem. It was both David Simon and Ed Burns on both projects, I think. You're right about Mr. Dutton's involvement; I think he directed the whole series (The Corner, that is).

Yes, he did direct and I love what he did when e took over some creative aspects of his old show, Roc.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 07:16:06 pm
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Hell date: Funny. Good formula tic but so is Cheaters, elimidate and every other show in this fashion. We are not asking for ban from those other networks for Formulatic shows. The midgets. I can take them or leave them. I see it more of exploited to small people as opposed to minstrel like. Black folks don't have midgetry lock down do we?

While the Culture Snob in me wouldn't mind seeing a ban on networks that would show Elimidate, I know those efforts would not be successful because the nose pickers have to watch TV too. However, this argument that "well, 'white' networks do this, and 'white' networks do that.." is really wearing thin with me lately. Why would this be considered a valid argument? Because there are stupid white kids who can watch Elimidate, then it's cool to play it safe at BET and make the same kinds of shows for stupid black kids? Just pointing out how weak that argument is. And please, let's not use the History Channel as an example for glorifying Gangsters, so BET should get a pass. History channel, like all the other "specialialy networks are programmed by marketing majors and MBAs, not Historians, not scientists. This si the network that has Ma and Pa Nose-Picker  beliviing that World history started with the Roman Empire and ended with WW II. In fact, as far as the History chennle is concerned, that's the ONLY war worth noting! So no, I would point out History channel.

In mainstream culture, The Italian mob is portrayed in a romantic way, this is true, but within the Italian community, there have been organizations and movements that protest every chance they get for shows, docs, and movies not to romanticize the gangster as being cool. While these movements are being headed up by moral-majority types or Middle-American types, these sentiments have internal roots from the past when the Lucianos bullied shop owners for 'protection' money back when Italian immigrants lived together in their ghettos.
You stated why you like AG. Good. Again, I was asked what shows I don't like and I wanted to fair by expressing why and now I wanted to point out further why I don't like AG; for every gangster, there are victims. But I will say this; I do give AG writers and producers props for the "Crime doesn't pay" message in every episode and unlike the "History" channel, you'll never see that kind of message. I may not have looked at every episode of AG, but I do know that much about AG. I just wished that that same kind of production could be used for black historical figures that are rarley talked about or the history of Hip-Hop as a series. 

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Music videos. Cry to the cows come home. I am 35. I am out of the demographic for video shows. If you are younger then 30, good for you. Howeer the format of Rap n RnB that you look for the artist shun the radio and the cross over any way. I love Dead Prez but can we be serious. The content of their songs like F*$# the Radio and Turn off that BS aint establishment so why place them in an audience that is not there's? VH1 Soul and MTV 2 Bet Jazz are more to your liking Bro. Take that up with your cable provider if you don't have them.

Why do you say that the audience who listens to corporate radio are not Dead Prez audience? Where do you think Dead Prez audience member come from? There seemed to be room for Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On?" back in the day, what's different now? Are you really saying that what's shown is what young people want?  If so, then how would you explain me? When I was in my teens and 20s I never would look at the video shows on BET. But remember, I'm not crying, just expressed what I didn't like about BET and why. But again, I think the age argument is weak. Btw, I do have MTV2, BET Jazz, and VH1 Soul. And? They still don't show anthing decent not very good alternatives.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: bluezulu on January 07, 2008, 07:34:33 pm
I may post more in detail later. Kind of tired. I can post a lot of words but my over all point is that perhaps cable tv isn't for you. You seem like a smart person. So going to the show, museum, talent shows, poetry recitals and cyphers are more for your liking. Pop culture is pop culture. But I guess it wouldn't be pop if there weren't for the underground. There were folks mad at The Jeffersons, Good Times and further back The Black Minstrel circuit. I don't know what to tell you bro. Maybe somebody can come along and make the Pro Black Social Network and the Political Social Activist will all watch it. Farrakhan can have a weekly talk show and the FOI can have a work out show ala Debbie Austin. I know I am being flip but I scratch my head at the anti-bet stuff. A few years ago with Rev Ike and the Infomercials hell yea yall are right. But now I see major progress.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 07, 2008, 09:59:45 pm
I may post more in detail later. Kind of tired. I can post a lot of words but my over all point is that perhaps cable tv isn't for you. You seem like a smart person. So going to the show, museum, talent shows, poetry recitals and cyphers are more for your liking. Pop culture is pop culture. But I guess it wouldn't be pop if there weren't for the underground. There were folks mad at The Jeffersons, Good Times and further back The Black Minstrel circuit. I don't know what to tell you bro. Maybe somebody can come along and make the Pro Black Social Network and the Political Social Activist will all watch it. Farrakhan can have a weekly talk show and the FOI can have a work out show ala Debbie Austin. I know I am being flip but I scratch my head at the anti-bet stuff. A few years ago with Rev Ike and the Infomercials hell yea yall are right. But now I see major progress.

You don't have to feel sorry for me I have all the culture I need, and some of that includes cable. Don't try to hide behind some of BET's weaknesses and attribute that to the rest of cable. Just as I've highlighted some positive things I like(d) about BET (actually I can think of more stuff I liked on BET during Johnson's ownership (Desmonds, Blacksploitation films, Bev Smith), There are other things I enjoy on other cable channels like Ctoon's has Boondocks and Venture Bros., Sci Fi has BSG, and Oxygen (had) Campus Ladies. You get my meaning. I think you're having a problem identifying a criticism vs. "being anti-BET".
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 08, 2008, 05:18:31 am
Oh, I dunno, brotherkomrade. I don't think anybody objects to your specific criticisms. You like what you like. For instance, I think that AG does a service by shining a light on an unduly romanticized segment of society; you've got no interest in gangsters period. I can understand that. No problem.

I think you're on less sound ground when you draw conclusions about the direction of the network and what it can and can't do based on your sampling of the programs today. Your analysis doesn't seem to account for the changes over the last couple of years or the stated objectives of the programming chief, Mr. Hudlin.

I think we all feel that BET is not yet what it should be but it does for the first time, IMHO, seem to be headed in the right direction.
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: brotherkomrade on January 08, 2008, 06:20:03 am
I'll leave it at this:
The network is making changes, but what kind of changes and in what direction still remains to be seen. I am a patient man, we'll see....
Title: Re: A suggestion
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 08, 2008, 07:05:26 am
Me, too, BK. I agree, time will tell.