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General Category => Hard Choices => Topic started by: MKG on December 12, 2008, 11:07:55 am

Title: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: MKG on December 12, 2008, 11:07:55 am
Which Black old sitcom you prefer? Martin or the Cosby show. I have a great deal of respect for the Cosby show, but i think Martin was funnier.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: JLI Jesse on December 12, 2008, 12:16:18 pm
To me the Cosby Show was a classic.  While I enjoyed Martin, I watched it off and on and never really considered it in the same league as Cos. 
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 12, 2008, 12:24:37 pm
cosby.
classic.
nuff said.

what martin episode can stand up against the "Real World" episode (theo learning how the real world works...) or how about the grandparents anniversary where the family sings?

Hmm?
Shall i continue?

(i cant hate...bruh man from the 5th flo' was a good character)
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: TripleX on December 13, 2008, 01:25:08 am
Come on man dats not a fair comparison, unless Dr. Huxtable is delivering a baby and it shoots across the room.  They're both great shows for entirely different reasons. I know those people on the Cosby Show, that's my family. Martin's "buffoon antics" (as Pam calls em) on the other hand are hilarious. Sure he's over the top but it's blood raw funny. Cosby had a strict agenda he never deviated from and ultimately elevated our race. Martin just wants to make us laugh. Eunice Chantilly and Brotha Man from the 5th floor can both coexist peacefully within our culture.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Francisco on December 13, 2008, 04:39:13 am
I have to pick The Cosby show since I've never seen an episode of Martin. Shoot me.. I'm on another country plus at that time there was not cable tv.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on December 13, 2008, 07:08:35 am
Come on man dats not a fair comparison, unless Dr. Huxtable is delivering a baby and it shoots across the room.  They're both great shows for entirely different reasons. I know those people on the Cosby Show, that's my family. Martin's "buffoon antics" (as Pam calls em) on the other hand are hilarious. Sure he's over the top but it's blood raw funny. Cosby had a strict agenda he never deviated from and ultimately elevated our race. Martin just wants to make us laugh. Eunice Chantilly and Brotha Man from the 5th floor can both coexist peacefully within our culture.


I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Catch22 on December 13, 2008, 08:15:32 am
The Cosby Show.  That is all.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 13, 2008, 12:31:48 pm
triplex, u r cool with me becuz of that Eunice chantilly quote.
hahahhaha
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: TripleX on December 13, 2008, 02:34:10 pm
lolz Yeah, I didn't think anybody would get the Eunice Chantilly reference. (She was a woman of ill repute Cliff used to chase after before he started dating Claire.)
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Cheirel on December 13, 2008, 03:20:30 pm
The doesn't even require a brain cell ~The Cosby Show hands down!
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Jenn on December 14, 2008, 07:47:01 pm
Martin. Cosby didn't really stand the test of time. It's hard to believe that Martin debuted over 15 years ago; it's just as fresh and funny today as it was then. But I will say that it went WAY downhill when it became "Pam's breaf so stank" jokes. Pam and Martin were at their funniest when they were equals.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on December 15, 2008, 07:45:06 am
Martin.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Cage on December 15, 2008, 09:21:22 am
Cosby.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on December 16, 2008, 09:07:17 am
Let me just add:

'The Cosby Show' doesn't hold up for the same reasons that Perry Tyler's 'House of Payne'  won't hold up 15 years from today:
Do you really believe 2 dark-skinned, African American parents can produce a set of biracial girls?(http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/Smileys/classic/embarrassed.gif)
'Martin' works today like it did yesterday because it was a one-on-one that dealt with themes that all relationships (hetero, homo, and trans-gender alien species) can relate to:
Yes, I believe a dark-skinned, brutha can pull a light-skinned sista!(http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif)
Indeed, it's a hard choice considering that both shows were comedies that had similar virtues. Both had a cast of black folks.  However, the former gave viewers a point-of-view of what happens when monogamy works, the latter gave a point-of-view of the trials & tribulations that a monogamous relationship endures.


I had to go with 'Martin'  on this one.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on December 16, 2008, 09:55:35 am
Let me just add:

'The Cosby Show' doesn't hold up for the same reasons that Perry Tyler's 'House of Payne'  won't hold up 15 years from today:
  • Antiquated TV family values

Antiquated? Or timeless?
Can you expand on that a little?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Hypestyle on December 16, 2008, 11:49:40 am
ah... good memories of watching the cosby show... fine denise & sandra, and cute (for my age at the time) vanessa..
...who remembers when Cliff "gave birth" to a huge submarine sandwich?  :)
When the show introduced Erika Alexander it was kind of telegraphing 'this is our urban issues character'..  ;) also Raven-Symone's introduction was also obvious to maintain cute-kiddie momentum.. not that it didn't work..  ;)  Theo got to represent for guys who were growing up with hip-hop but who didn't go and turn into a buppie thug (ahem, Puffy, Lil' Jon, etc...)
I watched most of the seasons as they came out.. I think I fell away from watching the first-run shows around the time I fell into watching Martin.. Cockroach turns into Cole!.. I think the martin show missed having Garrett Morris around after he left.. I give the show props for having crazy gags on a recurring basis (remember the riff on New Jack City, Martin walking around with a fake stuffed rottweiler?).. martin's multiple characters.. all the hip-hop guest stars.. was there ever a true revelation on tommy's "job"?.. the Pam-bashing jokes got dumber in the last few seasons.. and when the sex-harassment/blowup between Martin Lawrence and Tisha Campbell happened, that was virtually the nail in the coffin..

as of right now, if I were poised to buy a season set, I'd probably go with Martin first, just for the insanity..
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Princesa on December 16, 2008, 04:22:08 pm
Martin, the reruns make me laugh. The Cosby show is not very funny to me and all I know of Bill is that angry old man with the eye surgery shades.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 16, 2008, 05:35:05 pm
all i know is that i watch cosby all the time when the reruns are on.
i dont do the same with martin and they come on all the time on tv one.
i used to, but not anymore.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on December 17, 2008, 06:55:54 am
Let me just add:

'The Cosby Show' doesn't hold up for the same reasons that Perry Tyler's 'House of Payne'  won't hold up 15 years from today:
  • Antiquated TV family values

Antiquated? Or timeless?
Can you expand on that a little?


Sure...

I  mean, antiquated as in, obsolete. TV family dynamics change over time, especially over a decade.  I can't think of any TV family situation comedy (black or white) that has a durable family constellation that holds up over time.  Do you? ...and please  don't suggest 'The Waltons'!!!

For instance,  in order for 'House of Payne' to stay relevant  in 15 years or so...  it has to be on the air for 15 years.  I don't think the show can do it and I don't think the cast would want to do it.




Martin,  y'all.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Mastrmynd on December 17, 2008, 08:07:26 am
this poll shows the different thought processes between the younger folk and the older ppl on this board.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Catch22 on December 17, 2008, 09:22:40 am
this poll shows the different thought processes between the younger folk and the older ppl on this board.

That's what I was thinking reading through some of the posts on here.  I think the Cosby Show is a timeless TV show like Curtis iterated.  It's one of those shows like I Love Lucy, The Honeymooners, Sanford and Son...shows that will probably be in syndication forever because they're timeless and people, no matter how we perceive family values change, can relate to.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on January 02, 2009, 11:08:01 am
From BET (http://www.bet.com/News/NewsArticleRareBlackWhiteTwinsBorn.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished).com:
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/gaz.gif)
Regarding my little comment about the TV parents of the Cosby Show...
Rare Black-White Twins … Again!
(http://www.bet.com/Assets/BET/Published/image/jpeg/3927875d-b1a5-39bf-c69e-1386fa744cd7-News_SBX_BlackandWhiteTwins.jpg)
When Alison Spooner and Dean Durrant of Great Britain gave birth to a set of Black and White twins in 2001, it was described as a once-in-a-million occurrence.  Now, that it has occurred a second time – for the same couple – it’s almost like getting struck by lightening a second time on the same day, at the same exact hour of the day.  Actually, the phenomenon is so rare, doctors say, that there are no statistics to illustrate the probability of it happening. But one doctor told WPEC in Florida that for this to happen twice, must be one in millions.

"I was blown away as the rest of them, you know, father, Dean Durrant, told WPEC. “There's no easy way to explain it all. I feel like I'm still in shock myself, even though the first ones were seven years ago. It's amazing but we love them just the same."

The earlier twin daughters, Lauren, looks like her mom, and Hayleigh, looks like dad, the station reports.

“This time, baby Miya has her father's dark skin, while Leah looks like her mother,” WPEC reports.


----------------------------------------


Not so unsual.  Back-in-th'-day, I have a cousin who had a set of twins, fraternal twins; one of them is dark skinned and the other is light skinned. The father is dark and the mother is light however both are Black!
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Jenn on January 02, 2009, 02:28:09 pm
You can't tell me this isn't still hilarious 16 years later. No cutesy kids, no ball-busting wife, no goofy husband or knucklehead sons...just plain, old-fashioned funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY3i3rpxudQ
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: voodoochild on January 02, 2009, 04:51:05 pm
Cosby.

Martin had it moments, but too much of his bits seemed forced and tedious.  And they ran jokes into the ground.  It's funny, but REALLY exaggerated.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Mastrmynd on January 05, 2009, 10:41:07 am
like i said, Cosby.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on November 25, 2014, 12:20:34 am
like i said, Cosby.






Really?  ?(http://www.rubicondev.com/forum/images/smilies/7.gif)?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on November 25, 2014, 01:13:35 am
I love when folks bring up old threads.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: James72 on November 29, 2014, 11:01:45 pm
This is definitely a hard choice.  I like both shows for different reasons, or I should say, they were both comedies but used the tools to
express a different things.  I like the "classic" feel of The Cosby Show and I like the "slapstick" appeal of Martin. Ahhhh....it's a toss up right now.

Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Magic Wand on December 02, 2014, 01:07:28 pm
Cosby.
It's classic and beautiful.

Martin was a coonfest.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on December 02, 2014, 04:56:47 pm
Cosby.
It's classic and beautiful.

Martin was a coonfest.
Coonfest?  Not your cup of tea, fine, but I never was embarrassed as a black person when i watched Martin.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Magic Wand on December 04, 2014, 02:41:51 pm
Cosby.
It's classic and beautiful.

Martin was a coonfest.
Coonfest?  Not your cup of tea, fine, but I never was embarrassed as a black person when i watched Martin.

I was.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on December 07, 2014, 04:31:08 am
The cosby show was removed from TV LAND, perhaps permanently.   Who would dare pick the show up in syndication now?
All of his future television business ventures...  cancelled.  What's the point of doing his return to stand-up tour now?

Most associated colleges have stripped cosby of certain title privileges, hell, even the Navy busted his Chief Petty Officer status back to civilian. 

The most corrupt police station in America, the LAPD, is attempting to investigate the victim's allegations.

Who wouldn't be embarrassed? (http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/6.gif) ?

Whenever I do catch Martin, at the very least, it will not be under the pretense of the cosby show.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Emperorjones on February 22, 2015, 12:49:40 pm
Cosby Show. I think Martin sputtered out after the first two seasons. I enjoyed it a lot less. The Cosby Show maintained its quality far longer before it got pretty dull at the end.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on February 22, 2015, 03:00:39 pm
Cosby Show. I think Martin sputtered out after the first two seasons. I enjoyed it a lot less. The Cosby Show maintained its quality far longer before it got pretty dull at the end.



Conjecture.

The cosby show is still 'off da urrr'.
cosby still got his rank stripped.
...and that TV show deal never materialized.


Martin is still running.  :)
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: stanleyballard on March 17, 2015, 03:55:42 pm
Saw both shows...Cosby was not a favorite and seemed a little contrived with him always talking to the kids and not popping them ever.  Martin seemed a little more believable at the time....will go with Martin in this one.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on July 27, 2015, 12:20:14 pm
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/HEFcos_01_zpsdeiw3caw.jpg)

They rally.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on September 25, 2018, 10:21:12 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/kXagpco.gif)"Just sayin'
(https://i.imgur.com/kYiEyay.gif)
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on September 26, 2018, 08:31:56 am
Well, The Cosby Show is back on the air in syndication, on BET I think. The notion of watching it still makes me a little uneasy. Although I do try to separate the art from the artist (e.g. Miles Davis), maybe it's still too soon for me. Or maybe music is easier.

Remember that The Carmichael Show episode on the topic?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on September 26, 2018, 09:23:51 am
Well, The Cosby Show is back on the air in syndication, on BET I think. The notion of watching it still makes me a little uneasy. Although I do try to separate the art from the artist (e.g. Miles Davis), maybe it's still too soon for me. Or maybe music is easier.

It's difficult to distinguish what we know now, what we didn't know then.   :-\
A bit off-topic but, this incident reminds me of how strongly I feel about dc comics.

The set design on the Cosby Show was great with the African-American themed paintings and posters on the walls. The Victorian styled furniture... if I remember correctly.

Didn't the idea of a OB-GYN practicing right out of the basement of his Brooklyn brownstone home strike you as odd?(https://i.imgur.com/RQ0KKBH.gif)?


Remember that The Carmichael Show episode on the topic?

What was it?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 26, 2018, 10:07:55 pm
Well, The Cosby Show is back on the air in syndication, on BET I think. The notion of watching it still makes me a little uneasy. Although I do try to separate the art from the artist (e.g. Miles Davis), maybe it's still too soon for me. Or maybe music is easier.

Remember that The Carmichael Show episode on the topic?

You REALLY think a Black man in America, ANY Black man in America, could rape 40 White women and get away with it?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on September 27, 2018, 05:18:14 am
...cosby jokes online down below. (https://i.imgur.com/7NraEDU.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/0V70LCU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/m6EIiQZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6TbeHsu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NiXWL6f.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1LisT0S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9C6OSnq.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/TYkQROJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on September 27, 2018, 09:16:19 am
Well, The Cosby Show is back on the air in syndication, on BET I think. The notion of watching it still makes me a little uneasy. Although I do try to separate the art from the artist (e.g. Miles Davis), maybe it's still too soon for me. Or maybe music is easier.

It's difficult to distinguish what we know now, what we didn't know then.   :-\
A bit off-topic but, this incident reminds me of how strongly I feel about dc comics.

The set design on the Cosby Show was great with the African-American themed paintings and posters on the walls. The Victorian styled furniture... if I remember correctly.

Didn't the idea of a OB-GYN practicing right out of the basement of his Brooklyn brownstone home strike you as odd?(https://i.imgur.com/RQ0KKBH.gif)?


Remember that The Carmichael Show episode on the topic?

What was it?
It's this one: Season 2, Episode 2 Fallen Heroes (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5397462/)
When Maxine rejects Jerrod's invitation to a Bill Cosby concert, Jerrod offers the tickets to his parents as an anniversary gift, and the family is divided on whether or not you can appreciate entertainment free from scandal surrounding the entertainer.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on September 27, 2018, 09:24:24 am
Well, The Cosby Show is back on the air in syndication, on BET I think. The notion of watching it still makes me a little uneasy. Although I do try to separate the art from the artist (e.g. Miles Davis), maybe it's still too soon for me. Or maybe music is easier.

Remember that The Carmichael Show episode on the topic?

You REALLY think a Black man in America, ANY Black man in America, could rape 40 White women and get away with it?
If you're asking whether I think he's guilty, well, yeah, I do. I find many of the accusers credible AF.

What's the alternative, there was a vast conspiracy to frame him among the 60 accusers and unknown others and it's remained secret? Or they all made it up? Occam's Razor.

We might ask why it took so long. And when will other high-profile offenders be meeting with justice.
I also think OJ did it...

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55b58f869e9755183d9798ed/master/w_600,c_limit/cosby-nymag-cover-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Battle on September 27, 2018, 11:17:16 am
It's this one: Season 2, Episode 2 Fallen Heroes (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5397462/)
When Maxine rejects Jerrod's invitation to a Bill Cosby concert, Jerrod offers the tickets to his parents as an anniversary gift, and the family is divided on whether or not you can appreciate entertainment free from scandal surrounding the entertainer.



Wow... :(   
That is amazing...  cosby part of a television plot that creates family conflict which is opposite of what he was portraying on his own television show.  Oh, the irony...  :-[



You really wanna see irony?    Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vl3q3csuvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vl3q3csuvQ)

Besides Eddie Murphy cracking routines about cosby's attitude towards him in 'RAW', this is HBO's 'Uptown Comedy Express' in 1987, first time I ever saw Chris Rock do stand-up on television and taking stabs at bill cosby's television show and his animated show, 'Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids'.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 27, 2018, 06:53:34 pm
Well, The Cosby Show is back on the air in syndication, on BET I think. The notion of watching it still makes me a little uneasy. Although I do try to separate the art from the artist (e.g. Miles Davis), maybe it's still too soon for me. Or maybe music is easier.

Remember that The Carmichael Show episode on the topic?

You REALLY think a Black man in America, ANY Black man in America, could rape 40 White women and get away with it?
If you're asking whether I think he's guilty, well, yeah, I do. I find many of the accusers credible AF.

What's the alternative, there was a vast conspiracy to frame him among the 60 accusers and unknown others and it's remained secret? Or they all made it up? Occam's Razor.

We might ask why it took so long. And when will other high-profile offenders be meeting with justice.
I also think OJ did it...

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55b58f869e9755183d9798ed/master/w_600,c_limit/cosby-nymag-cover-1.jpg)

How many of those accusers had their stories discredited?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on September 28, 2018, 07:18:51 am
How many of those accusers had their stories discredited?
I don't know, do you? I believe a good deal less than all of them. I'm aware of some of their stories being disputed.

Do you think he's innocent? As in he didn't commit any of these alleged assaults?
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 28, 2018, 01:48:18 pm
How many of those accusers had their stories discredited?
I don't know, do you? I believe a good deal less than all of them. I'm aware of some of their stories being disputed.

Do you think he's innocent? As in he didn't commit any of these alleged assaults?

I think regret doesn't constitute sexual assault.

In a myriad of these instances the circumstances lend to quid pro quo and Cosby undoubtedly didn't deliver. For a celebrity of his ilk and proclivity 50-60 women over the span of 50 years who were in this situation is not inconceivable. If the Playboy mansion legends of the 70's are even partially true this could've transpired in a few years much less decades.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on September 29, 2018, 06:20:59 pm
How many of those accusers had their stories discredited?
I don't know, do you? I believe a good deal less than all of them. I'm aware of some of their stories being disputed.

Do you think he's innocent? As in he didn't commit any of these alleged assaults?

I think regret doesn't constitute sexual assault.

In a myriad of these instances the circumstances lend to quid pro quo and Cosby undoubtedly didn't deliver. For a celebrity of his ilk and proclivity 50-60 women over the span of 50 years who were in this situation is not inconceivable. If the Playboy mansion legends of the 70's are even partially true this could've transpired in a few years much less decades.

I don't understand your answer. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.
So is that a yes or a no? Innocent of any crimes, that is.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 30, 2018, 10:26:56 am
How many of those accusers had their stories discredited?
I don't know, do you? I believe a good deal less than all of them. I'm aware of some of their stories being disputed.

Do you think he's innocent? As in he didn't commit any of these alleged assaults?

I think regret doesn't constitute sexual assault.

In a myriad of these instances the circumstances lend to quid pro quo and Cosby undoubtedly didn't deliver. For a celebrity of his ilk and proclivity 50-60 women over the span of 50 years who were in this situation is not inconceivable. If the Playboy mansion legends of the 70's are even partially true this could've transpired in a few years much less decades.

I don't understand your answer. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.
So is that a yes or a no? Innocent of any crimes, that is.

I think he had sex with these women in exchange for advancing their careers.

This notion of Cosby being so popular as to be untouchable is asinine!

He was a TV star on I SPY in the 60's, a MINOR movie star in the 70's. The Seventies is particularly interesting as it is a decade FILLED with celebrity scandal with both politicians and entertainers and somehow Cosby was above reproach where a Kennedy wasn't. You have the iconic 80's which is true but at the beginning of the 90's there was a HUGE paternity scandal with Cosby that played out on Geraldo's talk show where Cosby even appeared to answer the charges.

In the end I don't think there was enough evidence to bring this to trial much less to convict. The previous D.A. agreed with this stance.


If this is the new standard I am waiting to see when Amber Rose and Jemelle Hill attack and wish death upon Weinstein, Moonves, Polanski and others.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 01, 2018, 09:41:56 am
And you think all of the drugging allegations are false? Ok, that's one point of divergence.
As for whether there was enough evidence, it seems there was enough to convict.
I do agree that others should also be prosecuted. We'll see how that goes.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 01, 2018, 05:09:22 pm
And you think all of the drugging allegations are false? Ok, that's one point of divergence.
As for whether there was enough evidence, it seems there was enough to convict.
I do agree that others should also be prosecuted. We'll see how that goes.

I think they were using drugs in the zeitgeist of the times. Cocaine Cowboys details the Hollywood atmosphere and the pervasive casual drug use. I saw a documentary on Studio 54 and it gave the NY version of this lifestyle.
Title: Re: Cosby show or Martin
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 02, 2018, 06:16:20 am
We're not talking about recreational drug use here. He is accused of drugging many women's drinks to knock them out (slipping them a Mickey) and then assaulting them. If any of those allegations are true, then he is a rapist, plain and simple.

There is no way to excuse his assaults as the lifestyle of the times. What you are pointing out is that there were plenty of women willing to do him and he raped them anyway.

Here's a pretty complete timeline from the LA Times. (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-bill-cosby-timeline-htmlstory.html#)