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Title: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on May 02, 2009, 04:57:10 pm
The Spider vs Griffin!!!!!!! 8)

LETS GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on May 05, 2009, 07:45:42 am
Alright, now that's a challenge
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on May 09, 2009, 06:40:36 pm
Yes that is indeed a challenge...Anderson will be able to outstrike Forrest,but he'll have to come for the kill cuz Forrest doesn't stop,doesn't back down.He's taller and longer than Anderson so Anderson will have to be more aggressive.We might see the return of the infamous clinch that so terrorized Anderson's previous opponents.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on May 10, 2009, 01:02:47 pm
Yes that is indeed a challenge...Anderson will be able to outstrike Forrest,but he'll have to come for the kill cuz Forrest doesn't stop,doesn't back down.He's taller and longer than Anderson so Anderson will have to be more aggressive.We might see the return of the infamous clinch that so terrorized Anderson's previous opponents.

He's listed as a just an inch taller than Silva and their reach is about the same.  Forrest is going to have to use his size to try to wear Silva down and control the pace of the fight, but the danger is exactly what you said:  The Thai Clinch.  I don't think Forrest has much of a chance at range with Silva, the difference in technique is way too great.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 19, 2009, 05:18:27 pm
Bottom line? I see Silva outstriking Forrest. I think the wrestling and gnp might be an issue here,but I give Anderson the advantage in what I think would be a very interesting display of skill.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Jenn on June 20, 2009, 11:18:57 pm
...why?  ???
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on June 21, 2009, 07:14:14 am
...why?  ???

Because there's virtually nothing left at MW to challenge this guy
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on June 26, 2009, 08:41:36 pm
And this will be an excellent fight because Forrest IS dangerous. He walks around at 240,so...like most LHWs nowadays...he's REALLY a HW. This will be a good challenge for Anderson,but I see Silva winning. If Anderson comes in firing? He should stop a still dangerous Forrest.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on July 01, 2009, 12:41:14 pm
And this will be an excellent fight because Forrest IS dangerous. He walks around at 240,so...like most LHWs nowadays...he's REALLY a HW. This will be a good challenge for Anderson,but I see Silva winning. If Anderson comes in firing? He should stop a still dangerous Forrest.

Forrest is gonna want to do what GSP did with BJ Penn:  Lean on him and make him carry his weight which is the only real advantage Forrest has.  But yeah Spider isn't going to let Forrest outwork him like he did Rampage, and Forrest's striking is way too basic to compete with a genius like Anderson Silva.  It doesn't look good for Griffin
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 03, 2009, 09:36:38 am
Am I the only to notice that Anderson Silva has introduced a number of shocking firsts to the UFC over the last two fights? The SAME two fights he'd been heavily criticized for? Against Patrick Cote,Anderson did capoeira's ginga...and snapped Patrick's head back with a straight left in the process.He's regularly implementing the surprising capoeira kicks--like his rear leg diagonal trip kick which he unveiled against Thales Leites which tripped him up--and Anderson flows regularly from southpaw to orthodox while applying creative strikes like standing elbows to the open guard. He channelled Lyoto Machida in the third and fourth round v Thales...stance,feints,and all...and confused Joe Rogan and other ole dude Mike Goldberg in the process.He also unveiled the switch front kick,as Lyoto regularly uses the low-high double roundhouse kick.

Btw..a few relatively recent issues of note that I want to comment on.Regarding Roy Jones and MMA? Don't believe that crap about the UFC and STRIKEFORCE not wanting to damage MMA by bringing in Roy.The UFC and STRIKEFORCE are all about the money and ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to pay our MMA warriors what they should be paid. If Roy fights Anderson? Not only will Roy be making a minimal $4 million,but Anderson will be making his first million,and that will lead to the MMA guys insisting on a more equitable payday too. Secondly,I am absolutely of the opinion that Dana's gonna try to get Anderson and Lyoto fighting.Thirdly,what do u all think of Anderson v Vitor Belfort,should Anderson get passed Forrest? And lastly...I do NOT want Anderson wrecking...er,FIGHTING...GSP if GSP gets by Thiago (I'm really a light heavyweight) Alves this month.Thoughts?
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on July 03, 2009, 12:03:24 pm
I have been a fan of Vitor since he debuted in the UFC. His annihilation of Lindland( By one of the most frightening KO's ever!) shows that he is ready to return to the UFC.

I would love to see a sight with the phenom vs Silva.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 03, 2009, 05:39:28 pm
Welll...first off,I would like to make a clarification: My wish to see the return of Anderson's horrifying Muay Thai clinch is a wish I knew was unlikely to be fulfilled even as I posted it,because Anderson has long parted ways with the man who championed Muay Thai in his training camp and taught that fearsome plum (clinch) to Anderson...i.e. Diogenes Assahida. So the chances are excellent that we won't see that horrific wrecking machine of a clinch game back...although I'd like to see it.

Instead,we may have to settle for the dismantling we saw when Anderson essentially one punch cold cocked James Irvin...cuz Anderson's current coach was his head striking coach leading up to that event AND Anderson's annihilation of Hendo.I expect Anderson v Forrest to be fireworks.

And yes,I'd like to see Vitor v Anderson too...the potential is there for fight of the year,if not the fight of MMA history.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on July 06, 2009, 08:38:57 am
Welll...first off,I would like to make a clarification: My wish to see the return of Anderson's horrifying Muay Thai clinch is a wish I knew was unlikely to be fulfilled even as I posted it,because Anderson has long parted ways with the man who championed Muay Thai in his training camp and taught that fearsome plum (clinch) to Anderson...i.e. Diogenes Assahida. So the chances are excellent that we won't see that horrific wrecking machine of a clinch game back...although I'd like to see it.

Instead,we may have to settle for the dismantling we saw when Anderson essentially one punch cold cocked James Irvin...cuz Anderson's current coach was his head striking coach leading up to that event AND Anderson's annihilation of Hendo.I expect Anderson v Forrest to be fireworks.

And yes,I'd like to see Vitor v Anderson too...the potential is there for fight of the year,if not the fight of MMA history.

Bringin the info as always, but from my observation, the disappearance of the clinch has to do with the fact nobody is going to let themself be the next Rich Franklin.  He actually went for the clinch a couple times against Leites and Leites flopped out of it everytime.  But thinking in mid post he did used to be ALOT more aggressive in sinking in the clinch.  It used to be in his primary attack in his cage rage fights.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 06, 2009, 02:31:36 pm
MMA GUYS. HEEELLLA UNDERPAID
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mastrmynd on July 06, 2009, 05:10:27 pm
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*drops mic. leaves room*
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on July 07, 2009, 08:16:41 am
MMA GUYS. HEEELLLA UNDERPAID

Played out mayne, especially in this economy.  No athlete was ever just given money, you gotta fight for that like you do in the ring.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 07, 2009, 08:29:03 am
MMA GUYS. HEEELLLA UNDERPAID

Played out mayne, especially in this economy.  No athlete was ever just given money, you gotta fight for that like you do in the ring.

Nah man. The UFC and MMA is still expanding,even in this market. As the first MMA rock star,Chuck Liddell was making LESS THAN $1.5 million per fight. So was Randy Couture. For chrissakes,that's Andre Berto-Kermit Cintron money. Cotto and Clottey made $4 million apiece,or thereabouts. MMA guys generate hundreds of millions in PPV for the big MMA shows,and they deserve more than the slave wages that they're paid. Slave wages SANS benefits,I might add. I'm not saying give em DE LA HOYA money,but don't pay these guys in what amounts to rubles pesos and naira.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on July 07, 2009, 08:38:53 am
MMA Fighters UFC and otherwise are going to need regular network T.V. exposure
so the fighters can get the name recognition to garner the big bucks.

Otherwise there is always going to be two pay scales in MMA:

what ex-WWE wrestlers like Brock and Lashley get and what everybody else gets.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on July 07, 2009, 12:29:53 pm
MMA GUYS. HEEELLLA UNDERPAID

Played out mayne, especially in this economy.  No athlete was ever just given money, you gotta fight for that like you do in the ring.

Nah man. The UFC and MMA is still expanding,even in this market. As the first MMA rock star,Chuck Liddell was making LESS THAN $1.5 million per fight. So was Randy Couture. For chrissakes,that's Andre Berto-Kermit Cintron money. Cotto and Clottey made $4 million apiece,or thereabouts. MMA guys generate hundreds of millions in PPV for the big MMA shows,and they deserve more than the slave wages that they're paid. Slave wages SANS benefits,I might add. I'm not saying give em DE LA HOYA money,but don't pay these guys in what amounts to rubles pesos and naira.

I remember listening to a Chris Rock routine talking about minimum wage.  "Minimum wage means:  If they could pay less, they would!"  If boxing could get away without paying Cotto a dime, they would, same with every sport, nobody would get paid unless people took a stand to make sure they got their money.  We could debate about this all day on a message board but nothing's going to change for the fighters until they stop accepting less and getting more.  And any slave in the history of recorded time would trade places with a UFC fighter anyday.  There's no such thing as slave wages, these guys make the choice to sign the contract.  Whining about the money is played out, stop caring about that when Sprewell talked about feeding his family
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on July 12, 2009, 11:29:16 am
MMA GUYS. HEEELLLA UNDERPAID

Played out mayne, especially in this economy.  No athlete was ever just given money, you gotta fight for that like you do in the ring.

Nah man. The UFC and MMA is still expanding,even in this market. As the first MMA rock star,Chuck Liddell was making LESS THAN $1.5 million per fight. So was Randy Couture. For chrissakes,that's Andre Berto-Kermit Cintron money. Cotto and Clottey made $4 million apiece,or thereabouts. MMA guys generate hundreds of millions in PPV for the big MMA shows,and they deserve more than the slave wages that they're paid. Slave wages SANS benefits,I might add. I'm not saying give em DE LA HOYA money,but don't pay these guys in what amounts to rubles pesos and naira.

I remember listening to a Chris Rock routine talking about minimum wage.  "Minimum wage means:  If they could pay less, they would!"  If boxing could get away without paying Cotto a dime, they would, same with every sport, nobody would get paid unless people took a stand to make sure they got their money.  We could debate about this all day on a message board but nothing's going to change for the fighters until they stop accepting less and getting more.  And any slave in the history of recorded time would trade places with a UFC fighter anyday.  There's no such thing as slave wages, these guys make the choice to sign the contract.  Whining about the money is played out, stop caring about that when Sprewell talked about feeding his family

I disagree with the conclusions drawn,although I readily see and agree with much of the premises in these posts. Allow me to make my point clearer: The UFC is engaging in typical monopolistic behaviour,and make no mistake: the UFC has an effective monopoly in MMA in the minds of the average fan. So they piss poor wages because they know that mma athletes have to basically take the pay up or git outta mma.
Title: Re: Anderson Silva VS Forrest Griffin: UFC 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: D- Ruck on July 12, 2009, 04:51:12 pm
MMA GUYS. HEEELLLA UNDERPAID

Played out mayne, especially in this economy.  No athlete was ever just given money, you gotta fight for that like you do in the ring.

Nah man. The UFC and MMA is still expanding,even in this market. As the first MMA rock star,Chuck Liddell was making LESS THAN $1.5 million per fight. So was Randy Couture. For chrissakes,that's Andre Berto-Kermit Cintron money. Cotto and Clottey made $4 million apiece,or thereabouts. MMA guys generate hundreds of millions in PPV for the big MMA shows,and they deserve more than the slave wages that they're paid. Slave wages SANS benefits,I might add. I'm not saying give em DE LA HOYA money,but don't pay these guys in what amounts to rubles pesos and naira.

I remember listening to a Chris Rock routine talking about minimum wage.  "Minimum wage means:  If they could pay less, they would!"  If boxing could get away without paying Cotto a dime, they would, same with every sport, nobody would get paid unless people took a stand to make sure they got their money.  We could debate about this all day on a message board but nothing's going to change for the fighters until they stop accepting less and getting more.  And any slave in the history of recorded time would trade places with a UFC fighter anyday.  There's no such thing as slave wages, these guys make the choice to sign the contract.  Whining about the money is played out, stop caring about that when Sprewell talked about feeding his family

I disagree with the conclusions drawn,although I readily see and agree with much of the premises in these posts. Allow me to make my point clearer: The UFC is engaging in typical monopolistic behaviour,and make no mistake: the UFC has an effective monopoly in MMA in the minds of the average fan. So they piss poor wages because they know that mma athletes have to basically take the pay up or git outta mma.

The UFC is not a monopoly, they are just the top company, there are many other companies in the USA and abroad for these fighters to go to.  I don't really have a problem with the fighter salaries anyway, the top guys are pretty well taken care of.