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Title: BET Awards 2009
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on June 28, 2009, 09:04:55 pm
For all of the ridicule and criticism that BET receives ( Most of it valid) they were the only network that could pull off this tribute to Michael Jackson.

They did an incredible job and I am thnakful I had the chance to watch it.

The strength displayed by Janet to even come out; much less make a comment was really tremendous.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Hypestyle on June 29, 2009, 07:19:21 am
props!  I hope it is re-run soon.. I missed the first hour or so, I attended a local vigil at the Motown Museum...
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on June 29, 2009, 05:05:41 pm
props!  I hope it is re-run soon.. I missed the first hour or so, I attended a local vigil at the Motown Museum...

Please tell us about that event...
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Vic Vega on June 30, 2009, 08:03:51 am
Today they are holding a memorial service for Michael Jackson at the Apollo Theater from 2-6 p.m.

I hope I will be able to attend(I work in the area but the crowd will be insane) .

Al Sharpton will be delivering a eulogy, I'm told.  
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Hypestyle on June 30, 2009, 08:25:26 am
props!  I hope it is re-run soon.. I missed the first hour or so, I attended a local vigil at the Motown Museum...


Please tell us about that event...


http://www.motownmuseum.com

Since Michael’s passing on last Thursday 6/25, there was a stream of people bringing  tributes (record sleeves, homemade signs, teddy bears, scented candles, flowers) to the Motown Museum on 2648 W. Grand Boulevard in Detroit (the museum is actually two adjacent houses, one being purchased by the museum’s ownership shortly after it was first inaugurated).  The formal candlelight vigil took place on the evening Sunday, June 28.  Giant-sized photographs/posters of Michael and the Jackson 5 were prominently placed on the front windows of the museum.  The program was planned to begin at 8 p.m.; I got there around 7:30, and there was already a sizeable crowd.  Police had blocked off a section of the eastbound portion of W. Grand Boulevard where the museum resides (with Henry Ford Hospital is in the immediate vicinity).

Easily several thousand people had gathered.  All ethnicities could be seen, and considering some people brought their babies, you had infants to (great-)grandparents representing in the crowd.  Some folks were selling memorabilia like T-shirts and buttons.  I saw a woman wearing a well-preserved Victory Tour 1984 shirt.
Situated at the porch area of the museum were speakers pumping Michael/Jackson 5 songs like “ABC”, “Thriller”, “Billie Jean”, “Man in the Mirror” and more (one odd moment occurred when the DJ cued up New Edition’s “Candy Girl”—I don’t know if they thought it was a Mike song, but I suppose it’s a tribute song, of sorts—heh..)  There were also two Michael impersonators who took turns performing on the front porch- ‘brown skinned Mike’ and ‘light skinned Mike’; I don’t know if they were hired or they just showed up- (and light-skinned Mike was clearly a woman when she later excused herself past me).  They were lip-synching to the records played, to the enjoyment of the crowd.  Candles were passed among all the attendees.

Longtime local radio personality John Mason served as the emcee for the tribute.  He started off by telling a series of humorous fictional anecdotes about Mike in between sing-alongs to his Motown-era hits. Berry Gordy’s niece was introduced, who read a written statement by her uncle.  The Motown Museum CEO was introduced; he made some brief statements, and was shortly joined by the manager of an area cemetery, who announced that all of the tribute items brought to the Museum site would be placed and preserved in a special mausoleum.  Lastly, local pastor Charles Ellis was introduced, who made an extended speech about Michael’s life and legacy, finally leading the crowd in prayer as the candles were finally lit.  There were numerous people that by now were openly crying.  It was just a beautiful, peaceful scene, even as it finally dispersed.

Next up is another tribute at local concert venue Chene Park.  Keith Washington has been confirmed; several of the surviving 60’s Motown stars had just returned stateside from a UK tour stint this weekend (Mary Wilson, Martha Reeves, the Miracles sans Smokey).

I took some photos, I'll have to post them later today..
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Battle on July 01, 2009, 08:00:04 am
I took some photos, I'll have to post them later today..


I'm lookin' at a few images now, Hype...

(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs091.snc1/5104_202299250246_538715246_7459981_3993850_n.jpg)
Where It All Started...
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Jenn on July 01, 2009, 06:28:22 pm
Can I just say how happy I am that Hudlin wasn't the head of BET when this went down?  ;D
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 01, 2009, 07:51:58 pm
Can I just say how happy I am that Hudlin wasn't the head of BET when this went down?  ;D
why is that?
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 02, 2009, 12:21:32 am
Can I just say how happy I am that Hudlin wasn't the head of BET when this went down?  ;D
why is that?

So no one can blame him for that travesty!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Catch22 on July 02, 2009, 05:53:31 am
I enjoyed the awards, but what was up with the sound?  You could barely hear any audience reaction when Jamie Foxx did his opening act and some of the flashback footage looked like it was taken from Youtube.  I'm not a BET hater by any means, but they've got to do something about their production values.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on July 02, 2009, 07:40:59 am
The other Black site I go on NA, HATED IT. They said everybody was drunk, Jaime Foxx's penis joke was in bad taste, Ving Rhames embarassed himself, Beyonce was an attention whore in an ugly dress, the MJ "tribute" was whack, they were mad Chris Brown got banned by Jay-Z because he could of done a better job with MJ material than Ne-Yo, Bobby Brown looked like a grizzly bear with a bad mohawk, Wayne cursed too much and they felt it was ghetto and disorganized.

I got tired of trying to defend B.E.T in the face of such opposition. I thought it was the best award show they've had since Mo'Nique did Beyonce's "Uh Oh" dance the first time. The New Edition performance, Maxwell, Jay-Z, Keith Sweat, B.B.D. Guy, Wanda and Shenaynay set it off and the whole show was exciting and unpredictable. They did the best they could with 3 days of planning.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on July 02, 2009, 09:26:34 am
What is this about Jay Z banning Chris Brown?

I thought for sure Brown would make an appearance if he was available.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on July 02, 2009, 10:07:45 am
The rumor is Jay-Z told the producers he and Beyonce wouldn't perform if Chris Brown was allowed to be on the show, so he was dropped at the last minute. I don't know how true it is.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on July 02, 2009, 03:50:14 pm
The rumor is Jay-Z told the producers he and Beyonce wouldn't perform if Chris Brown was allowed to be on the show, so he was dropped at the last minute. I don't know how true it is.

I'll be interested in hearing more about this.

If the Katt Williams thing got out; a story of this type won't stay under wraps.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on July 02, 2009, 03:52:00 pm
TripleX, what is the age range of the people that post at the other site?
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Vic Vega on July 03, 2009, 12:42:02 am
The rumor is Jay-Z told the producers he and Beyonce wouldn't perform if Chris Brown was allowed to be on the show, so he was dropped at the last minute. I don't know how true it is.

If the worst thing that happens to to Chris Brown is being booted off the BET awards, he is far luckier than he deserves.

f*ck Chris Brown.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on July 03, 2009, 01:18:35 am
30's and 40's but all ages are represented, check it out, it's an adult site but very conservative, avoid the nekid pics we call "The Darkside". lol It's the Nude Africa Anything Goes discussion. It's informative and alot like here, but with more cussing and alot more drama. Steve Harvey talks about it on his morning show.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Mastrmynd on July 03, 2009, 05:35:32 am
Highs, Lows & Oh Nos of the BET Awards Show!

I'm gonna be using this info for my MJ tribute show that's air on July 15th.
thanx in advance
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 03, 2009, 12:04:26 pm
The other Black site I go on NA, HATED IT. They said everybody was drunk, Jaime Foxx's penis joke was in bad taste, Ving Rhames embarassed himself, Beyonce was an attention whore in an ugly dress, the MJ "tribute" was whack, they were mad Chris Brown got banned by Jay-Z because he could of done a better job with MJ material than Ne-Yo, Bobby Brown looked like a grizzly bear with a bad mohawk, Wayne cursed too much and they felt it was ghetto and disorganized.

I got tired of trying to defend B.E.T in the face of such opposition. I thought it was the best award show they've had since Mo'Nique did Beyonce's "Uh Oh" dance the first time. The New Edition performance, Maxwell, Jay-Z, Keith Sweat, B.B.D. Guy, Wanda and Shenaynay set it off and the whole show was exciting and unpredictable. They did the best they could with 3 days of planning.
what is this site
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on July 04, 2009, 02:00:12 am
Click "Anything Goes Discussion".  http://www.nudeafrica.com/discus/index.html
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 04, 2009, 08:23:06 am
Click "Anything Goes Discussion".  [url]http://www.nudeafrica.com/discus/index.html[/url]
oh crap :o This is why i dont like those site because it is full of fat girls hiding their faces.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on July 05, 2009, 07:04:47 am
I tried to warn you bruh, I said don't look at the pics. lolz
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Emperorjones on July 07, 2009, 11:33:54 am
I finally watched most of it last night during the encore. It wasn't as horrible as I've heard about on the radio, etc., but I could definitely tell it was rushed.

I thought Jamie/T-Pain, Ne-Yo, KeKe Palmer, Keyshia Cole & Monica, the tribute to the O'Jays (though Trey Songz was outclassed), and the O'Jays all gave strong performances. Out of the rappers, Jay-Z did the best. Didn't watch Maxwell.

It seemed like they had problems with the microphones/sound systems, with New Edition in the opening and with some of the rappers. Overall, in the shadow of Michael Jackson it just reinforced to me how lacking many of today's stars are. Keri Hilson's performance felt ad hoc. Soulja Boy hurt my ears. Drake and Lil Wayne were also uninispired. Ciara was trying, but that song wasn't in her comfort zone.

As much as I love New Jack Swing, Keith Sweat didn't sound that good, Aaron Hall was out of breath, Ralph Tresvant was off key, Ricky Bell couldn't be heard in the first song, but did better on the BBD number, and then Bobby and his tongue. Didn't watch all of Beyonce's performance. I wish she had done a Michael Jackson song or incorporated some MJ song into her performance.

I think the O'Jays put on a show that everyone of the newer acts should've been paying close attention to and emulating in the future. They had the vocals and the moves right.

But I got to give them credit for trying to put together a tribute show in three days, though I think it might've been best to just acknowledge MJ at the show in some way and then do a better planned show in the future.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Pantherfan on July 08, 2009, 07:54:47 am
I think it would've been cool if as a last minute addition they added some artists that sampled Michael Jackson songs. I would've loved to have seen Q-Tip perform "Move" which samples "Dancing Machine" or Jay-Z perform "H to the Izzo". What would've topped it off would Nas performing "It Ain't Hard To Tell".


Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Battle on July 08, 2009, 08:10:25 am
What would've topped it off would Nas performing "It Ain't Hard To Tell".


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It ain't hard to tell"
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Magic Wand on July 08, 2009, 10:34:10 pm
Interesting review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fHqx8gskk&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Hypestyle on July 09, 2009, 07:30:19 am
Don Cornelius’s surprise appearance reminded me how much I miss the Soul Train awards and Soul Train itself (okay, his intro/anecdote about the O’Jays did ramble on).  About a year or so ago I remember reading that he struck a deal to sell all the master tapes to some outfit I’d never heard of for dvd development  http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur44513.cfm
 … I always thought he’d do a partnership with BET for showing reruns of old episodes and boxed season dvd sets.  I don’t know if he just considers himself retired now, but it would be great if he had a syndicated Soul Train radio show.

Update--
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur54543.cfm

I don't know about anyone else, but I've never ordered anything from those "Time - Life" TV advertisement infomercials.. If you read the fine print on the website, this group isn't even a part of the Time-Warner corporation, they simply license the brand name..

I guess we'll see how this turns out..  ::)
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 15, 2009, 11:28:15 am
Interesting review ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fHqx8gskk&feature=player_embedded[/url])


 :D :D :D :D

Thank you for this!
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 15, 2009, 10:28:39 pm
Interesting review ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fHqx8gskk&feature=player_embedded[/url])
OH LOOK surprise surprise another "bet is ignorant"  comment. ::)
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Vic Vega on July 16, 2009, 07:56:48 am
Interesting review ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fHqx8gskk&feature=player_embedded[/url])
OH LOOK surprise surprise another "bet is ignorant"  comment. ::)


O.K. the guy was funny but, folks really need to stop with this "BET is embarrasing the race" meme.

Didn't these silly mofos get the memo that there is a Black President now? Who is on T.V. nearly every day?

Freaking Al Roker is on T.V. everyday. Dyson and/or Smiley are on T.V. nearly every Sunday.

In the face of that you'd have have to be determinely stupid or racist
to take the BET Awards as being representative of anything other than the Black Music Industry.

Aside from the poor production values(due all the M.J stuff having to done at the last second)
I didn't have that muuch of a problem with the show.

Jeff Johnson's show lived and died without a single word from these boogie SOB's.

They don't have the RIGHT to an opinion anymore.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 16, 2009, 04:14:47 pm
Interesting review ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fHqx8gskk&feature=player_embedded[/url])
OH LOOK surprise surprise another "bet is ignorant"  comment. ::)


O.K. the guy was funny but, folks really need to stop with this "BET is embarrasing the race" meme.

Didn't these silly mofos get the memo that there is a Black President now? Who is on T.V. nearly every day?

Freaking Al Roker is on T.V. everyday. Dyson and/or Smiley are on T.V. nearly every Sunday.

In the face of that you'd have have to be determinely stupid or racist
to take the BET Awards as being representative of anything other than the Black Music Industry.

Aside from the poor production values(due all the M.J stuff having to done at the last second)
I didn't have that muuch of a problem with the show.

Jeff Johnson's show lived and died without a single word from these boogie SOB's.

They don't have the RIGHT to an opinion anymore.


Cmon, Vic. :D

BET is WACK and deserves every bit of the criticism it gets!  Stop apologizing for this sh*t!

Where's that Black Panther show?  Hannibal?  American Gangster season 4?  A nightly news show? 
Oh, they don't have those, but what they do have is bullsh*t reality show's with Tiny and Toya and Frankie and Neffie?  Really?  That's what people want to see? 


And exactly what does Barack Obama have to do with the foolishness BET is trying to pass off as entertainment?  A Black president forgives all sins?  Please.

If you think that people don't look at the BET awards as being indicative of the race, you're fooling yourself.  It's not just a music awards show.  Sorry.

They've been producing an awards show for, what, nine years now?  And this is the best that they can do?  High school production mistakes?  They've got Viacom money to spend now.  BET should have the same production value and professionalism as anything that VH1 produces.  But nope.  Why bother?  Black people should be accustomed to second and third rate product, right?

Jeff Johnson's show was good.  I watched it every week.  But they didn't really promote it (like they did with Keisha Cole's and DMX's shows) and tried to jam too much into a thirty-minute format.  Who's fault is that? 
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 16, 2009, 07:48:50 pm


Cmon, Vic. :D

BET is WACK and deserves every bit of the criticism it gets!  Stop apologizing for this sh*t!

Where's that Black Panther show?  Hannibal?  American Gangster season 4?  A nightly news show? 
Oh, they don't have those, but what they do have is bullsh*t reality show's with Tiny and Toya and Frankie and Neffie?  Really?  That's what people want to see? 


And exactly what does Barack Obama have to do with the foolishness BET is trying to pass off as entertainment?  A Black president forgives all sins?  Please.

If you think that people don't look at the BET awards as being indicative of the race, you're fooling yourself.  It's not just a music awards show.  Sorry.

They've been producing an awards show for, what, nine years now?  And this is the best that they can do?  High school production mistakes?  They've got Viacom money to spend now.  BET should have the same production value and professionalism as anything that VH1 produces.  But nope.  Why bother?  Black people should be accustomed to second and third rate product, right?

Jeff Johnson's show was good.  I watched it every week.  But they didn't really promote it (like they did with Keisha Cole's and DMX's shows) and tried to jam too much into a thirty-minute format.  Who's fault is that? 
No one is apologizing. BMWing the discussion once again about BET is getting old. The arguments are the same and no one is doing anything about. Yes some of the shows are a bit out there. I could have swore that not all black people act the same. You are just seeing tv shows of different characters that is it. Does TvOne have a news thing going? I mean other than sh*tty black tv shows reruns and G Garvin what does TvOne have? Black Men Revealed? with the current sh*tty hosts? Peaches? Whatever nigga
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Vic Vega on July 16, 2009, 08:55:40 pm
Interesting review ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fHqx8gskk&feature=player_embedded[/url])
OH LOOK surprise surprise another "bet is ignorant"  comment. ::)


O.K. the guy was funny but, folks really need to stop with this "BET is embarrasing the race" meme.

Didn't these silly mofos get the memo that there is a Black President now? Who is on T.V. nearly every day?

Freaking Al Roker is on T.V. everyday. Dyson and/or Smiley are on T.V. nearly every Sunday.

In the face of that you'd have have to be determinely stupid or racist
to take the BET Awards as being representative of anything other than the Black Music Industry.

Aside from the poor production values(due all the M.J stuff having to done at the last second)
I didn't have that muuch of a problem with the show.

Jeff Johnson's show lived and died without a single word from these boogie SOB's.

They don't have the RIGHT to an opinion anymore.


Cmon, Vic. :D

BET is WACK and deserves every bit of the criticism it gets!  Stop apologizing for this sh*t!

Where's that Black Panther show?  Hannibal?  American Gangster season 4?  A nightly news show? 
Oh, they don't have those, but what they do have is bullsh*t reality show's with Tiny and Toya and Frankie and Neffie?  Really?  That's what people want to see? 


And exactly what does Barack Obama have to do with the foolishness BET is trying to pass off as entertainment?  A Black president forgives all sins?  Please.

If you think that people don't look at the BET awards as being indicative of the race, you're fooling yourself.  It's not just a music awards show.  Sorry.

They've been producing an awards show for, what, nine years now?  And this is the best that they can do?  High school production mistakes?  They've got Viacom money to spend now.  BET should have the same production value and professionalism as anything that VH1 produces.  But nope.  Why bother?  Black people should be accustomed to second and third rate product, right?

Jeff Johnson's show was good.  I watched it every week.  But they didn't really promote it (like they did with Keisha Cole's and DMX's shows) and tried to jam too much into a thirty-minute format.  Who's fault is that? 


News and public affairs shows are traditional low earners. Where was the picket line to save Jeff Johnson? There was plenty of effort to get Hot Ghetto Mess off the air. It would have been productive to see that energy harnessed to keep a show. As posters here have noted, a show doesn't even have to be watched to get kept on the air it just has to be marginal and have a vocal following.

And as far as BET's cultura relevence, whats BET actual market share 5%? Less?

When BET's existance actually matters THEN you can talk about its larger impact. The average 30+ white person probably can't even find it on the remote and wouldn't think to look. The dudes who run BET only WISH it mattered like Y'all think it does.

Look. 90 percent of the criticism about BET is based on the frankly silly premise that its some kind of racial showcase.

Viacom never touted it as such and the founder of BET never touted it as such.

So where does this goofy idea come from?

A bunch of Kente Klad wanna be producers who have all these ideas on how BET could do stuff better but never held a camera, shot film or video or pitched a show in thier lives?

Either that or its a cadre of bitter fat chicks who get enraged by having light skinned hotties paraded in front of them on videos. That Sharon Carpenter e-lynch mob awhile told me all I needed to know about the average detractor's grasp of logic.

Know what I like? Consistancy.

If the persons howling about BET had been howling about Flav's Cavalcade 'O Coonery on VH1 I'd respect their position. But they weren't so I don't. I didn't hear about anybody attepting to picket the WB when they had the Waynans Bros on the air.

In my opinion BET is exactly like SPIKE TV maybe with even less of an operating budget.

Hence the heavy reliance on reality shows. They are cheap to produce. When Reg was around he made a push for scripted works but TPTB aren't used to actually spending real money on programming and didn't see any reason to start.

It is the same mentality that brought the world Apache Warrior v. Ninja or whatever the hell that show is.

BET has never had its own version of the Cobert Report, a unique show so sucessful that it actually convinces the station to actually spend money to create more shows like it.

It folks can't even figure that out they really need to not speak.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on July 16, 2009, 09:36:33 pm
What package is TVOne under?

Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 16, 2009, 11:24:37 pm

No one is apologizing. BMWing the discussion once again about BET is getting old. The arguments are the same and no one is doing anything about. Yes some of the shows are a bit out there. I could have swore that not all black people act the same. You are just seeing tv shows of different characters that is it. Does TvOne have a news thing going? I mean other than sh*tty black tv shows reruns and G Garvin what does TvOne have? Black Men Revealed? with the current sh*tty hosts? Peaches? Whatever nigga

BMWing? ???  I dont know what that means.

This isn't about TVone.  That's a straw man argument.  TVOne's the new kid on the block.  BET's been around for almost thirty years.  THIRTY years and they're still having audio issues?  C'mon, now.  Thirty years and they touting Frankie and Neffie like it's what's hot in the streets.  Yes, the arguments are old.  Because BET is still not living up to it's potential.  It's still offering sub-par, warmed over entertainment.  Thirty years, this thing should be something to be proud of, not something to be ridiculed.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Vic Vega on July 17, 2009, 06:49:30 am

No one is apologizing. BMWing the discussion once again about BET is getting old. The arguments are the same and no one is doing anything about. Yes some of the shows are a bit out there. I could have swore that not all black people act the same. You are just seeing tv shows of different characters that is it. Does TvOne have a news thing going? I mean other than sh*tty black tv shows reruns and G Garvin what does TvOne have? Black Men Revealed? with the current sh*tty hosts? Peaches? Whatever nigga

BMWing? ???  I dont know what that means.

This isn't about TVone.  That's a straw man argument.  TVOne's the new kid on the block.  BET's been around for almost thirty years.  THIRTY years and they're still having audio issues?  C'mon, now.  Thirty years and they touting Frankie and Neffie like it's what's hot in the streets.  Yes, the arguments are old.  Because BET is still not living up to it's potential.  It's still offering sub-par, warmed over entertainment.   Thirty years, this thing should be something to be proud of, not something to be ridiculed.

TV that offers sub-par warmed over entertainment?

Dude how is that different from 95 percent of all TV period?

Dag.

TV One is relevant as hell. It is BET’s main competitor for the Black market.

And as BET’s competitor, what does it do to distinguish itself?

Reality T.V., celebrity gossip and chat and old syndicated Black T.V. shows.

In other words they exact same thing BET is doing except that A) their reality shows are about old people(e.g. Patty Labelle) B)they have Michael Baisen and BET has Wendy Williams (a push in my opinion) and C) they got cooking shows.

Got to give it up for the cooking shows.

Yeah, that’ll show BET how cable TV is supposed to be done.

Y'all are reality-challeged.

These stations aren't trying to be Black PBS(which isn't even a for profit venture) they are trying to turn a profit(with limited resources).

That what the programming reflects.

Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on July 17, 2009, 10:01:59 am


BMWing? ???  I dont know what that means.

This isn't about TVone.  That's a straw man argument.  TVOne's the new kid on the block.  BET's been around for almost thirty years.  THIRTY years and they're still having audio issues?  C'mon, now.  Thirty years and they touting Frankie and Neffie like it's what's hot in the streets.  Yes, the arguments are old.  Because BET is still not living up to it's potential.  It's still offering sub-par, warmed over entertainment.  Thirty years, this thing should be something to be proud of, not something to be ridiculed.
BMWing = Bitching, Moaning and Whining.

Actually it is about TvOne. As stated from Vic it is Bet competition. Giving it the "new kid on the block" as the excuse is very moot.

You are using the same argument just like everyone else making your point off the basis of one television show. Again not all black people act the same. And again BET just like any other network, you are looking at different types of characters on different shows. Are you one of the people against the crap that Tyler Perry shell out? If not then you are fooling yourself with you argument about BET.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 17, 2009, 12:33:30 pm

TV that offers sub-par warmed over entertainment?

Dude how is that different from 95 percent of all TV period?

 :D :D
What kind of TV are you watching?
 :D :D



Quote
Dag.

TV One is relevant as hell. It is BET’s main competitor for the Black market.

And as BET’s competitor, what does it do to distinguish itself?

Reality T.V., celebrity gossip and chat and old syndicated Black T.V. shows.

In other words they exact same thing BET is doing except that A) their reality shows are about old people(e.g. Patty Labelle) B)they have Michael Baisen and BET has Wendy Williams (a push in my opinion) and C) they got cooking shows.

Got to give it up for the cooking shows.

Yeah, that’ll show BET how cable TV is supposed to be done.

Y'all are reality-challeged.

These stations aren't trying to be Black PBS(which isn't even a for profit venture) they are trying to turn a profit(with limited resources).

That what the programming reflects.

You and Akuma need to stop with the strawman.  BET's lack of quality has nothing to do with TVone.  It was wack waaaay before TVone went on the air.  TVone has only been broadcasting since 2004.  It's an infant.  BET's been on since 1980 AND it's owned by Viacom, a media giant with deep pockets.  In terms of quality, BET needs to be up there with VH-1  Comparing BET and TVone is like comparing CBS and the CW. :D  BET can and should do better.

Black PBS?  Again with the strawman! :D :D Nobody's suggesting that BET model itself after PBS.  What are you talking about?  Critics want BET to simply do better.  No more, no less.  Give us better quality shows.  Not Frankie and Neffie.  Hollywood and NY are filled with up and coming Black talent, both in front of and behind the lens.  Reach out and work with these people.  I made an independent feature on scotch tape and shoestring.  I know cats that put together internet shows every week on spit and super glue.  Quality products on extremely low budgets.  It can be done. It's really not that hard.  Especially with Viacom money.


Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 17, 2009, 12:53:46 pm
BMWing = Bitching, Moaning and Whining.

Actually it is about TvOne. As stated from Vic it is Bet competition. Giving it the "new kid on the block" as the excuse is very moot.

No it's not.  So what, it's BET's competition?  What's that got to do with BET making sophomore mistakes on it's nine year old awards show? :D 

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You are using the same argument just like everyone else making your point off the basis of one television show. Again not all black people act the same. And again BET just like any other network, you are looking at different types of characters on different shows. Are you one of the people against the crap that Tyler Perry shell out? If not then you are fooling yourself with you argument about BET.

People's criticism starts with one show and expands to most of that networks programming.  You're right, not all Black people act the same, but BET programs like we do.  Practically all of their shows are reality with a hip hop perspective.  Where are the shows for adults (and not unplugged ;)) ?   They actually devote valuable time, resources, and promotion to shows about T.I.'s  and Little Wayne's baby mommas and Keyshia Coles' mother.  Really?  Jesus.

And actually, yes, I criticize Tyler Perry just as vigorously. ;D
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Vic Vega on July 17, 2009, 01:36:38 pm
Bunk it, why NOT Frankie and Neffie? If folks will watch it. 

You aint being anything near to realistic about this so I am just about done here.

Fact is, if YOU were running BET or TV One you would not be doing anything different from
what the guys there are doing now. Not if you wanted to keep your job there anyway.

Cheap shows to pull in the young urban market. Because that is their target demo.

Nobody there(or at TV ONE or at SPIKE) is trying to do Roc or Living Single type shows too expensive
to produce and what if nobody watches the thing? Dramas cost even more than single cam sitcoms.

News is expensive and nobody watches it (see CBS).

Nobody watches Public Affairs shows either.

If Tony Brown and Tavis Smiley could generate advertising dough they would not be on public television. 

BET decisions are mostly sound (they need to bring American Gangster and Uncut back and ignore thier critics-those shows MADE MONEY) that they offend folks sensibilities is irrelevent.

Now, does anybody actually want to talk about the Awards Show now?

If not, lock this thread.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on July 17, 2009, 03:06:29 pm
Bunk it, why NOT Frankie and Neffie? If folks will watch it.

People will watch anything (look at Transformers 2 #'s).  So what?  Is that a measure of worth/quality?

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You aint being anything near to realistic about this so I am just about done here.

Wait.  I'm not being realistic because we disagree?   :D :

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Fact is, if YOU were running BET or TV One you would not be doing anything different from
what the guys there are doing now. Not if you wanted to keep your job there anyway.

Fact is, you don't know what I would be doing if I were running BET.  But again, you and the strawman.  That ain't got nothin' to do with nothin'. :D

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Cheap shows to pull in the young urban market. Because that is their target demo.

Nobody there(or at TV ONE or at SPIKE) is trying to do Roc or Living Single type shows too expensive
to produce and what if nobody watches the thing? Dramas cost even more than single cam sitcoms.
 

Tell that to TNT, F/X and all of the other networks that started after BET.  They've all got sitcoms and hour long dramas.  Shows that pull in ratings and awards.  BET can't do that why, now? 

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News is expensive and nobody watches it (see CBS).

So I guess CNN, Fox news, MSNBC, and all of the local affiliates  are just flushing $ down the toilet,  'cause nobody's watching. 


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Nobody watches Public Affairs shows either.

If Tony Brown and Tavis Smiley could generate advertising dough they would not be on public television. 


Those types of shows aren't about generating high ratings.  They're simply about offering information.  Every network has a set number of hours they can devote to public affairs shows.

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BET decisions are mostly sound (they need to bring American Gangster and Uncut back and ignore thier critics-those shows MADE MONEY) that they offend folks sensibilities is irrelevent.

Now, does anybody actually want to talk about the Awards Show now?

If not, lock this thread.

If BET's decisions were mostly sound, they wouldn't have legions of people criticizing them. :D :D 

Shows like uncut and Tiny and Neffie wouldn't even matter if BET offered better quality programming in addition to the ghetto mess that they show now.  And that's the source of the problem.  They're not trying to elevate.  And no, that doesnt mean becoming the Black PBS or CNN (as you apologists love to claim).  That just means putting a black scripted drama on in addition to the fourteen hip hop music shows they air.

And if you don't like the conversation, log out.  There are fifteen other threads on this board you can post on.  :D :D  Why you wanna lock the thread?
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Jenn on July 17, 2009, 10:56:45 pm
Bunk it, why NOT Frankie and Neffie? If folks will watch it. 

You didn't get the message? It's only okay to show black people - especialy black women - in a demeaning and ignorant light when white people do it. Half of these f*ckwits doing all this complaining will be the first ones watching the new season of For the Love of Ray-J.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on July 18, 2009, 11:49:37 am
lol @ "Cavalcade 'O Coonery" I'ma have to use that one.

When I was a shorty BET had cooking shows, game shows, Bev Smith and news programs...they all went away because nobody watched them. Who's fault is that?

Look, BET is an easy target. We've all heard the complaints and the criticisms, you either watch it or you don't. If you don't stfu and stop trying to ruin it for the people that do. That said, I haven't watched BET regularly since Rap City got cancelled. I'd rather be angry at Fox News.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Jenn on August 31, 2009, 09:34:19 pm
Where's that Black Panther show?  Hannibal?  American Gangster season 4?  A nightly news show? 
Oh, they don't have those, but what they do have is bullsh*t reality show's with Tiny and Toya and Frankie and Neffie?  Really?  That's what people want to see? 

Apparently so. And Tiny and Toya was a great show. Not all black women can be Michelle Obama - or even want to be.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on September 01, 2009, 12:21:14 pm

Apparently so. And Tiny and Toya was a great show.

I'll take your word for it.

Not all black women can be Michelle Obama - or even want to be.

Sooo, there's no in between?  Chickenhead baby mamas with delusions of granduer enabled by purposely underachieving cable network or First Lady?  Got it.   :D 
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on September 01, 2009, 05:59:48 pm
And Bravo's Real Housewives are the highest rated shows in that networks history. They're no better than Frankie and Neffie, I really don't see your point. "Bad" tv is "bad" tv across the board but you just want to single out the Black folks.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on September 01, 2009, 10:11:08 pm
And Bravo's Real Housewives are the highest rated shows in that networks history. They're no better than Frankie and Neffie, I really don't see your point. "Bad" tv is "bad" tv across the board but you just want to single out the Black folks.

Wow.
That's what you got out of this?  I'm giving out passes to Bravo but criticizing BET 'cause I want to single out Black people? 

Really?

Here's the thing...The title of the thread is BET Awards 2009, not "Compare/Contrast BET with other cable networks.  What Bravo is doing is irrelevant to this particular discussion. 

This is always the problem with BET apologists.  They always seem to use the, "Well, so-and-so network is doing such-and-such show and it's just as bad as BET's latest racial atrocity."  But that's never the argument.  No one's talking about other networks.  Other networks are besides the point.  We're talking about how wack BET is, not how BET isn't so bad because other networks are just as bad.  That's like saying "It's OK that my child is a "D" student because all of the other kids are underachievers too."  Or, "Why should I keep my home looking decent when my neighbor's cribs look like shanty's?"  Or, "Why bother striving for excellence when everybody else is shooting for slightly below average?"

Look, no one is asking for BET to be the Black PBS or CNN (another stupid-ass irrelevant argument apologists use).  Critics just want BET to do better.  Or at least try to do better.  Back in the Video Soul days, Donnie Simpson used to sign off with this quote, and I'll paraphrase:
Shoot for the moon because if you miss, you'll still be among the stars.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on September 01, 2009, 11:24:15 pm
"Wow.
That's what you got out of this?  I'm giving out passes to Bravo but criticizing BET 'cause I want to single out Black people? 

Really? "


Yeah, that's exactly what I took from it Sporty. Is it a problem?
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on September 02, 2009, 03:40:20 am
 ::)

"BET apologists" wow that is a good one. Then one can say the same about "BET Critics" with the same argument of "BET makes us black people look bad" which is just another way to point the finger at Hip-Hop/Rap music videos. The only valid argument is that BET don't have any "BET Original" drama or sitcoms. At first they did but unfortunately they were canceled. Remember for a while BET had original movies where certain black authors and their books came to life and these same movies had B to C list actors in them? Black Panther is the potential savior (if it ever come out) The point is BET is a TV network and they experiment with a TV show, if it does well rating wise it stays on if it doesn't then it will be cut off.

Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on September 02, 2009, 06:20:25 am
"Wow.
That's what you got out of this?  I'm giving out passes to Bravo but criticizing BET 'cause I want to single out Black people? 

Really? "


Yeah, that's exactly what I took from it Sporty. Is it a problem?

Only if you care about your own reading comprehension skills.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on September 02, 2009, 06:45:58 am
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"BET apologists" wow that is a good one. Then one can say the same about "BET Critics" with the same argument of "BET makes us black people look bad" which is just another way to point the finger at Hip-Hop/Rap music videos. The only valid argument is that BET don't have any "BET Original" drama or sitcoms. At first they did but unfortunately they were canceled. Remember for a while BET had original movies where certain black authors and their books came to life and these same movies had B to C list actors in them? Black Panther is the potential savior (if it ever come out) The point is BET is a TV network and they experiment with a TV show, if it does well rating wise it stays on if it doesn't then it will be cut off.


But Akuma, it's not an indictment of hip-hop videos.  That's unfair.  BET doesn't produce videos.  Those come from the labels.  No, the problem is that BET will only support certain types of artists.  If you're a Soulja Boy/Lil Wayne wannabe,  mouth and neck full of platinum, big booty bitches all up in the video?  Cool.  BET's got a spot for you.  But if you're work is more eclectic or, dare I say it, political or socially conscious?  Kick rocks. 

When HBO and Showtime first started producing original films and series, they were lame.  Just like BET they all featured B and C level talent.  But they stayed at it until they had the capital and reputation to attract A-listers.  BET showed no heart or perseverance and jumped out of the game early.  These things take time.  You've gotta grow and cultivate an audience. 

I hope Panther does well.  I hope it's on the same level as those Batman/Superman shows from the late 90's or this new Spiderman show.  I hope it pulls BET out of the broadcast ghetto they put themselves in and stimulates a network wide desire to DO BETTER.   
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: BmoreAkuma on September 02, 2009, 04:22:59 pm
But Akuma, it's not an indictment of hip-hop videos.  That's unfair.  BET doesn't produce videos.  Those come from the labels.  No, the problem is that BET will only support certain types of artists.  If you're a Soulja Boy/Lil Wayne wannabe,  mouth and neck full of platinum, big booty bitches all up in the video?  Cool.  BET's got a spot for you.  But if you're work is more eclectic or, dare I say it, political or socially conscious?  Kick rocks. 
Unfair? dude that is the main complaint regarding BET. Nevermind that the majority of the TV shows that air have a Hip-Hop/Rap theme to them. I guess the best option is to have wannabe a Common, Taleb Kweli or Mos Def instead?
When HBO and Showtime first started producing original films and series, they were lame.  Just like BET they all featured B and C level talent.  But they stayed at it until they had the capital and reputation to attract A-listers.  BET showed no heart or perseverance and jumped out of the game early.  These things take time.  You've gotta grow and cultivate an audience. 
Maybe it got out early because people weren't looking at them. Sad in my opinion.

I hope Panther does well.  I hope it's on the same level as those Batman/Superman shows from the late 90's or this new Spiderman show.  I hope it pulls BET out of the broadcast ghetto they put themselves in and stimulates a network wide desire to DO BETTER.   
i hope so too. This could be the thing that really make a huge change and impact
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: voodoochild on September 02, 2009, 05:00:13 pm
Unfair? dude that is the main complaint regarding BET. Nevermind that the majority of the TV shows that air have a Hip-Hop/Rap theme to them. I guess the best option is to have wannabe a Common, Taleb Kweli or Mos Def instead?

Well, at least give some other types of hip-hop artists some shine.  I'm not saying jettison one for the other, but give some of these other cats some screen time too.  Show another side of the culture.
 
Maybe it got out early because people weren't looking at them. Sad in my opinion.

It is sad, but build it and they will come, right?  These things take time.  By now, BET could have attracted a talented pool of creators and given opportunities to a lot of people who don't normally get them in the mainstream.
  
i hope so too. This could be the thing that really make a huge change and impact

Any word on a broadcast date?
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: TripleX on September 07, 2009, 10:31:01 pm
"Wow.
That's what you got out of this?  I'm giving out passes to Bravo but criticizing BET 'cause I want to single out Black people? 

Really? "


Yeah, that's exactly what I took from it Sporty. Is it a problem?

Only if you care about your own reading comprehension skills.

Obviously that's not a concern of mine.
Title: Re: BET Awards 2009
Post by: Magic Wand on September 19, 2009, 07:30:11 pm
 MY favorite review of the awards show!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvpWLZcyWc&feature=related)