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Title: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 28, 2009, 11:00:54 pm
I just heard about this on a cable access show of all places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Fh7gsTfBw

Move over Grant Morrison, somebody else is laying claim to THE MATRIX! 8)
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on September 29, 2009, 12:58:56 am
All I'm saying is...


There were a whole lot of black references in those movies if you dug deep enough!
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: supreme illuminati on September 29, 2009, 09:15:06 pm
I've heard this kind of thing for YEARS,now. Reggie? Whatcha think?
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Godheval on September 29, 2009, 10:24:33 pm
I heard about this exact case years ago.  I still don't know what to think.  At the time the story first broke, you couldn't find any news coverage of it anywhere, except for one obscure community college newspaper in Stewart's hometown.  For me, this didn't suggest any lack of credibility on Stewart's part, but either a disinterest in the story, or conversely, an interest in keeping the story buried.

There were rumors that the issue was settled out of court, but I can't find any evidence on the matter.

I think this may have been a case of unintentional theft (giving Hollywood the rare benefit of the doubt) - a situation where someone read Stewart's submission, dismissed it and forgot about it, then years later had a "Eureka" moment, a great new idea about a futuristic sci-fi story.  Except they forgot that it was someone else's idea.

The same thing happened with a guy in France who wrote a book called Pierrot Le Poisson Clown in 1995, only to see virtually the exact concept presented by Disney (who he had submitted the idea to) in Finding Nemo, only with some minor details switched around.  The guy sued Disney and lost, and some booksellers even removed his book from their shelves for being too close a copy of Finding Nemo!

I think this kind of thing happens all the time.

I can also picture a bunch of fat and happy Hollywood execs sitting in a room, sharing a private joke about the old adage "Talent imitates, genius steals".

Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: bluezulu on September 30, 2009, 06:24:24 am
Man this thing been around for years.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on September 30, 2009, 06:48:54 am
When I read her statement, she claimed to have created the concepts for the Matrix, the Terminator movies and some other big franchises.  And she claimed to have won, but someone this trial was never reported in any newspaper or Hollywood trade.

Riiiight.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Godheval on September 30, 2009, 12:01:07 pm
When I read her statement, she claimed to have created the concepts for the Matrix, the Terminator movies and some other big franchises.  And she claimed to have won, but someone this trial was never reported in any newspaper or Hollywood trade.

Riiiight.

As I said, it could've just been a matter of the story being buried.  Companies/individuals go to great lengths for image advocacy, so spending networking or actual capital to prevent the story from being widely publicized for the sake of Silver/Wachowski/Warner Brothers' image doesn't strike me as unlikely.

Still, I'm a bit skeptical too.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 30, 2009, 05:51:21 pm
When I read her statement, she claimed to have created the concepts for the Matrix, the Terminator movies and some other big franchises.  And she claimed to have won, but someone this trial was never reported in any newspaper or Hollywood trade.

Riiiight.

I see that Stewart actually claims that the The Terminator and The Matrix are one grand epic displayed in her book THE THIRD EYE.

Connor is Neo and Neo sends the Terminator back to kill Connor.

Stewart has my dollars for that THIRD EYE book now.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on September 30, 2009, 05:59:36 pm
Has anyone read her book?  Does it actually resemble either of those two movie franchises?  Was it published before both those films came out?

Considering that THE TERMINATOR has successfully been sued by another author, did her book come out before that one?
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on September 30, 2009, 09:15:54 pm
Has anyone read her book?  Does it actually resemble either of those two movie franchises?  Was it published before both those films came out?

Considering that THE TERMINATOR has successfully been sued by another author, did her book come out before that one?

I haven't read THE THIRD EYE but I do know that Harlan Ellison, master of sci-fi and the lawsuit ;D did win his case against THE TERMINATOR film as he claimed it was based on his story "Demon With A Glass Hand".

"Demon With A Glass Hand" came out in 65 so that is long before THE THIRD EYE and the manuscript sent to the Wachowski brothers in 85 or 86 by Stewart.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on September 30, 2009, 11:30:47 pm
So if Harlan Ellison won his case, then it was because he proved that it was read by the creators of the film and it influenced them. 

And see, no worldwide conspiracy to silence the truth.

Could Harlan sue this woman for stealing from his story?  Since it has elements that are similar to Terminator, and Harlan's book came out before hers?

I've been on both sides of this. I've been accused of stealing ideas, and I have accused others of stealing my ideas. 

I never went to trial because I know even the oddest ideas are not as uncommon as you might think.

Why people believe that that no organ of the press would print this story because of a worldwide conspiracy is crazy. 
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 01, 2009, 01:50:15 pm
So if Harlan Ellison won his case, then it was because he proved that it was read by the creators of the film and it influenced them. 

And see, no worldwide conspiracy to silence the truth.

Could Harlan sue this woman for stealing from his story?  Since it has elements that are similar to Terminator, and Harlan's book came out before hers?

I've been on both sides of this. I've been accused of stealing ideas, and I have accused others of stealing my ideas. 

I never went to trial because I know even the oddest ideas are not as uncommon as you might think.

Why people believe that that no organ of the press would print this story because of a worldwide conspiracy is crazy. 


This is an outsider talking to an insider so I defer to your expertise but this is what I gather after listening to an interview with Stewart.

Stewart knew about the terms of Ellison's victory and his claim as that was the impetus for her to investigate further. Ellison signed the standard gag order but she states the amount was a 200,000 dollar settlement.

They used the settlement as a basis to negotiate with her but she demanded credit as well as cash. The same scenario took place with The MATRIX and she said she was ready to take a smaller amount to settle until people who worked on the film told her to fight as they know her script was used.

As a side note, Grant Morrison makes a similar claim about his work being sourced directly by the Wachowski brothers as told to him by those who worked on The Matrix.

The attribution to both Morrison and Stewart ceased once she filed the second suit.

I don't know what happened but there seems to be something there. The THIRD EYE will say alot about this.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 07, 2009, 11:45:34 pm
I have yet to see a single source about this beyond Ms. Stewart.  I see articles that are basically her press releases making fantastic claims, but no other evidence from any other source.  No court documents on Smoking Gun, nothing.

Americans love conspiracies.  I love them myself.  We all love underdog stories. But this passes no smell test. I mean, how do we know so much information about the Kennedy assasination but somehow this secret is completely on lockdown? 
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on October 08, 2009, 04:15:05 pm
Agent Smith: "Eve-ning Mi-ster Hudlin. I am agent Smith. You are now being plugged back into The Ma-trix!"

Morpheus: "Reggie, you are the one!"

The Oracle: "No he aint!"

Trinity: "He has to be. I love him."

The Architect: "Let me explain this carefully so that people are not stuck in some vacuum of confusion somewhere between the middle part of the first sequel."

Reggie: "Stop that you TROLL!"

Bluezulu: "I got this Reggie!"

Flex Hectic: "Please don't lock the thread Master Moderator. I be a good poster from now on I promise! I gets right back in The Matrix cause I wants no trouble sir!"


TROLLing... It's not just a job it's a disease!

(Takes medication and puts back on breakaway straight jacket)


Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Godheval on October 10, 2009, 10:34:18 am
Agent Smith: "Eve-ning Mi-ster Hudlin. I am agent Smith. You are now being plugged back into The Ma-trix!"

Morpheus: "Reggie, you are the one!"

The Oracle: "No he aint!"

Trinity: "He has to be. I love him."

The Architect: "Let me explain this carefully so that people are not stuck in some vacuum of confusion somewhere between the middle part of the first sequel."

Reggie: "Stop that you TROLL!"

Bluezulu: "I got this Reggie!"

Flex Hectic: "Please don't lock the thread Master Moderator. I be a good poster from now on I promise! I gets right back in The Matrix cause I wants no trouble sir!"


TROLLing... It's not just a job it's a disease!

(Takes medication and puts back on breakaway straight jacket)




Seriously?

Jesus Christ.

Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on October 10, 2009, 07:43:00 pm
Godheval I can autograph that for you if you want.
Title: OKAY, FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S NOT TRUE! from SHADOW AND ACT
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 28, 2009, 05:40:34 pm
O.K. for the last timeÖ ITíS NOT TRUE!

By Sergio, on October 28th, 2009

I can practically guarantee that every reader on our site, no matter where in the world they may be, has heard of Sophia Stewart at least once in their lives. If the name escapes you at the moment, this should refresh your memoryÖ sheís the woman who won a major million dollar copyright infringement suit against the Wachowski brothers, producer Joel Silver and Warner Bros, over The Matrix, which the main concept, she claimed, was stolen from a sci-fi book she wrote back in the early 80ís called, The Third Eye. And that the all powerful, all seeing and all knowing media establishment have conspired in a plan to keep the public from knowing that this lone brave sister had triumphed over the wicked powers that be.

Yeah, right youíre saying to yourself. I know who she is now. However thereís only one problem was this storyÖ ITíS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No doubt youíve heard about her and her case from what looks like a legitimate news story thatís circulated on the internet, all over the world, at least six billion times during the last few years. Just this morning, I received that same e-mail (I think for the 1,246th time), this time from a close friend overseas who got it from a friend in Europe who, from what I understand, got it from a high level U.S. government official in Europe. But believe me folks, I swear itís not true. And no, Iím not hatiní either.

The basic facts are certainly true. Sci-fi writer Stewart did indeed sue the makers of The Matrix for copyright violations and she also has claimed that The Terminator and its sequels were also stolen from her. But the cold fact is that she LOST her case, and it was thrown out of court in June 2005. As the L.A. Times reported at the time:

ďUnfortunately, Judge Margaret Morrow wasnít interested in surprises. In her 53-page ruling, Morrow dismissed [Sophia Stewart]ís case, noting that Stewart and her attorneys had not entered any evidence to bolster the key claims in her suit or demonstrated any striking similarity between her work and the accused directorsí films. Stewart says she is hiring additional attorneys and is asking the court to reconsider that decision, but earlier this summer, in a nearly empty courtroom 790 of the Roybal Federal Building, Stewartís case apparently ended with a whimper.Ē
However, Stewart, who was notorious in Hollywood for being something of a nutcase, according to people in the industry I know, was very clever and made up the fake news item and sent it out over the internet where itís obviously been circulating even still today. Just this weekend, at a function, someone came up to me asking me about if I had heard about this woman who won this case about the Matrix being stolen from her. It just refuses to die.

Naturally, the item was jumped on by the black media without checking out the facts, which caused it to keep going even farther. Itís easy to understand why it would happen. People want to believe so much in the idea of a some sister battling against a Snidely Whiplash (an in-joke reference to baby boomers out there) moustache twirling, evil, corrupt, greedy white power structure, and against all odds, emerging victorious. But thatís not that case here folks. Sorry to burst your bubble.

In fact Stewart, after losing her case, believes that her lawyers were in-cahoots with the Matrix people to destroy her case and reputation, and in July 2007 filed a $150 million malpractice lawsuit against them. Since then, nothing has been heard of Ms. Stewart, her case, or anything else for that matter. So the next time you get that e-mail about Stewart winning the case, remember what Iíve just told you.

Or if you want to, believe it, if makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Godheval on October 28, 2009, 06:12:41 pm
Oh, well because "Sergio" says so, I guess it isn't true.

TF?

Heh.

(Mind you, I'm not saying it is true - I really don't give a crap - but is this supposed to be conclusive evidence?)
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 28, 2009, 06:19:56 pm
What is Sergio's last name?

Could it be, Wachowski? Or perhaps, Warner?

I DEMAND full disclosure here!
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 29, 2009, 12:27:55 pm
Ha! Sergio Mims, a film professional and journalist.  This is from a column he writes for the site SHADOW AND ACT. 

I love how folks get all skeptical about the debunking but no one questions her claims, which make no sense.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Godheval on October 29, 2009, 01:00:14 pm
I love how folks get all skeptical about the debunking but no one questions her claims, which make no sense.

Who?  Not me.

But I will say that it's not unreasonable to reflexively side with an individual over a multinational conglomerate, or if you are a person of color - with a person of color over white people.  But it is essential to look at all the facts before you take a position.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Vic Vega on October 29, 2009, 02:31:35 pm
I've heard about the late Art Buchwaldís lawsuit against the creators of Coming to America.

I donít remember hearing about Ellisonís lawsuit against the Terminator people. But Harlan sues (and gets sued) so frequently that I can see how Harlan winning a lawsuit would not be news.

The only place Iíve ever heard of this woman was here. Considering how well covered every aspect of the Matrix films were, it hard to see how something like that could actually happen without anybody hearing about it.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 29, 2009, 03:48:29 pm
Ha! Sergio Mims, a film professional and journalist.  This is from a column he writes for the site SHADOW AND ACT. 

I love how folks get all skeptical about the debunking but no one questions her claims, which make no sense.

Ms. Stewart has a pending lawsuit so I am giving her the benefit of the doubt til then.

Mims is a rather strange name, perhaps its an alias of sorts. I will have to check into this. 8)


I still haven't tracked down the THIRD EYE yet.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 29, 2009, 07:46:28 pm
Ha! Sergio Mims, a film professional and journalist.  This is from a column he writes for the site SHADOW AND ACT. 

I love how folks get all skeptical about the debunking but no one questions her claims, which make no sense.

Ms. Stewart has a pending lawsuit so I am giving her the benefit of the doubt til then.

Mims is a rather strange name, perhaps its an alias of sorts. I will have to check into this. 8)


I still haven't tracked down the THIRD EYE yet.
Does she have a pending lawsuit? 

And has anyone ever read her book?  Has anyone ever seen her book?
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 29, 2009, 08:12:08 pm
Ha! Sergio Mims, a film professional and journalist.  This is from a column he writes for the site SHADOW AND ACT. 

I love how folks get all skeptical about the debunking but no one questions her claims, which make no sense.

Ms. Stewart has a pending lawsuit so I am giving her the benefit of the doubt til then.

Mims is a rather strange name, perhaps its an alias of sorts. I will have to check into this. 8)


I still haven't tracked down the THIRD EYE yet.
Does she have a pending lawsuit? 

And has anyone ever read her book?  Has anyone ever seen her book?

Well according to "Sergio Mims" she filed a lawsuit against her attorneys for malpractice.

As for the book, no one seems to have it, Amazon, B&N no one.

Coincidence, I think not.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 29, 2009, 09:24:47 pm
Maybe she never published a book.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 29, 2009, 09:29:21 pm
Maybe she never published a book.

Don't give into the machine, Reggie.

I've seen the book cover and the back one as well.

It HAS to be real.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Redjack on October 31, 2009, 09:38:46 am
God luv ya, Reg.

true facts. god forbid.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: KIP LEWIS on November 04, 2009, 03:36:48 pm
Is there anyway tpo search for the book thru the Library of Congress?  I don't mean to get a copy of the book, but to see if the book exists since all books are registered there.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on November 04, 2009, 08:54:08 pm
Is there anyway tpo search for the book thru the Library of Congress?  I don't mean to get a copy of the book, but to see if the book exists since all books are registered there.


http://catalog.loc.gov/

Searching for Sophia Stewart as author yielded:
Your search found no results *

* Please note: The Library of Congress does not keep a copy of every title ever published.
Title: Sophia Stewart still hasn't win her lawsuit for writing Matrix & Terminator.....
Post by: Afro Samurai on April 28, 2010, 02:04:49 pm
AND NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!  >:(

"Matrix Lawsuit

Claim:   Sophia Stewart won a large judgment in a copyright infringement suit over authorship of the film The Matrix.

Status:   False.

Example:   [Collected on the Internet, 2005]

Monday, October 4th 2004 ended a six-year dispute involving Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner Brothers. Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow residing.

Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars.

Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she felt had been based on her manuscript, "The Third Eye," copyrighted in 1981. In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers, requesting new sci-fi works.

[Remainder of article here.]

Origins:   The Matrix was an immediate box office hit upon its release in March 1999, quickly grabbing the public's imagination and its movie-going dollars. Together with its two sequels it has grossed in excess of $2.5 billion, making it one of the most lucrative film franchises in cinematic history.

Controversy exists, however, over its authorship. Sophia Stewart, a native New Yorker who lives in Salt Lake City and works as a paralegal, has claimed in a lawsuit brought against directors Andy and Larry Wachowski, producer Joel Silver, Warner Bros., and Twentieth Century Fox that The Matrix and Terminator film franchises were based on her ideas. According to Stewart, in 1986 she responded to an advertisement posted by the Wachowski brothers in a national magazine soliciting science fiction manuscripts to make into comic books by sending them "The Third Eye," a short story she wrote and copyrighted in 1981. She never heard from them, nor did she receive her manuscript back. When she saw The Matrix in 1999 she was struck by how closely it resembled her story. She filed suit against the makers of the film, seeking over $1 billion in damages. This page provides links to a number of files and articles about her
lawsuit.

Stewart's case was dismissed in June 2005 when she failed to show up for a preliminary hearing of her case. In a 53-page ruling, Judge Margaret Morrow of the Central District Court of California dismissed the suit, saying Stewart and her attorneys had not entered any evidence to bolster its key claims or demonstrated any striking similarity between her work and the accused directors' films. As of this writing, Stewart's case is no longer before the courts. She has announced that she does not plan to let the matter drop, so possibly this case will someday be re-filed and heard, but for now it is over.

A less than accurate newspaper article about Stewart and her case caused many to believe the woman claiming authorship had won her copyright infringement suit and was about to receive a multi-billion dollar settlement. This 28 October 2004 article, penned by a second-year communications student for the Salt Lake Community College Globe, erred in mistaking Stewart's 4 October 2004 successful counter to a dismissal motion for her having prevailed in her suit. The article asserted Stewart "will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels" and would "soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood." What Stewart had won was the right to proceed with her case, but nothing more.

The Globe subsequently posted the following correction:
In reference to the recent article entitled "Mother of the Matrix Victorious," some information has been deemed misleading. Ms. Sophia Stewart has not yet won her case against Joel Silver, Time Warner and the Wachowski Bros. The decision on October 4th enabled Ms. Stewart to proceed with her case, as all attempts to have it dismissed were unsuccessful. Ms. Stewart's case will proceed through the Central District Court of California.

Thanks,
The Globe Staff
In November 2009, some web-based news sites erroneously republished outdated (and inaccurate) articles from 2004 claiming that Sophia Stewart had won her case.

Barbara "case closed" Mikkelson

Last updated:   15 November 2009

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/matrix.asp

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    Carter, Martha.   "'Mother of the Matrix' Victorious."
        Salt Lake Community College Globe.   28 October 2004.

    Gordon, Ed.   "News & Notes: Sophia Stewart Discusses Her Lawsuit Against Warner Bros."
        National Public Radio.   24 May 2005.

    Powers, Kemp.   "The Billion-Dollar Myth."
        Los Angeles Times.   31 July 2005.

    Wright, E. Assata.   "Fact or Fiction: Is There Any Truth to the Latest Urban Legends?"
        Essence.   May 2005   (p. 46)."

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Here's her interview here:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/3297092

^This sista break it down to the T. Nubian goddess, I am rooting for ya to win this.

   
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart still hasn't win her lawsuit for writing Matrix & Terminator.....
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 28, 2010, 03:36:04 pm
This story has been covered in a thread already. 
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart still hasn't win her lawsuit for writing Matrix & Terminator.....
Post by: Afro Samurai on April 28, 2010, 05:05:12 pm
Oop, my bad. I should have went into the search engine first.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on April 28, 2010, 06:42:59 pm
No problem. I merged the new topic into the existing one.
You might find the older thread interesting.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on April 28, 2010, 07:48:40 pm
Reggie should be leading the charge to find Ms. Stewart.

She needs our help against the machine!
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Afro Samurai on April 29, 2010, 05:10:44 pm
People, if you got time.....listen to the interview I posted above........listen to the interview & then make your decision......
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on April 29, 2010, 10:49:14 pm
People, if you got time.....listen to the interview I posted above........listen to the interview & then make your decision......

An interview with her?  No, I don't have that much time. 

I just want someone to show me a copy of her book. I want to hear from some one who has actually read her book.  Let's start there.
Title: Re: Sophia Stewart: Mother Of The Matrix
Post by: Open palm on April 30, 2010, 12:53:02 am
Is there a book? Are there any writer's notes for that matter?