Hudlin Entertainment Forum

General Category => In The News => Topic started by: Open palm on October 09, 2009, 03:44:28 am

Title: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Open palm on October 09, 2009, 03:44:28 am
What great news! Barack Obama has been chosen the winner of this year's Nobel Peace Prize!  ;D
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Magic Wand on October 09, 2009, 05:50:20 am
He's a REAL American Hero! (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113649365&sc=fb&cc=fp)

Why it's taking so long for Americans to recognize what the rest of the world sees is beyond me!
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Vic Vega on October 09, 2009, 06:23:49 am
The vote was unanimous.

The voters were academics, diplomats, and the like.

Think about THAT for a second.

Also think about this: The award was for increasing the cooperation among nations. Now Obama just got the Presidency. So what he has gotten the award for is essentially not being George W. Bush. It’s a sobering reminder of just HOW MUCH GEORGE W. BUSH’S ASS WAS HATED THE WORLD OVER.

And all this just a week after Conservatives were chuckling to themselves about Obama failing to win the Olympics for Chicago.

Now what are they going to say?
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Battle on October 09, 2009, 06:48:58 am
And all this just a week after Conservatives were chuckling to themselves about Obama failing to win the Olympics for Chicago.

Now what are they going to say?




"THIS IS ALL A RUSE BY THE DRIVE-BY MEDIA TO GAIN CREDIBILITY!!! HE'S STILL A SOCIALIST!!! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!! WE WILL STILL BREAK HIM! HE WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY!!! LONG LIVE THE CONFEDERACY!!!"
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/fatbaby_05.gif)
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on October 09, 2009, 07:15:47 am
So he beat out T'challa for the award!


WOW!
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 09, 2009, 07:21:31 am
Now what are they going to say?


Michael Steele Attacks Obama Over Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, Really. (http://washingtonindependent.com/63395/michael-steele-attacks-obama-over-nobel-peace-prize-yes-really)

Quote
By David Weigel 10/9/09 9:58 AM

The Republican National Committee has issued a political response to the president’s Nobel Peace Prize, blasting the Nobel Committee for denying the prize to unnamed “tireless advocates” and attacking the president’s domestic record. The quote, from RNC Chairman Michael Steele:

    The real question Americans are asking is, “What has President Obama actually accomplished?” It is unfortunate that the president’s star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights. One thing is certain — President Obama won’t be receiving any awards from Americans for job creation, fiscal responsibility, or backing up rhetoric with concrete action.

In recent years, really since the prize was awarded to Yasir Arafat, conservatives have attacked it as an award the America-hating parts of the world like to give out to promote their hatred. This, however, seems like a hasty statement from the opposition party.


Michael Steele - what an asshole.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Vic Vega on October 09, 2009, 08:08:43 am
Now what are they going to say?


Michael Steele Attacks Obama Over Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, Really. ([url]http://washingtonindependent.com/63395/michael-steele-attacks-obama-over-nobel-peace-prize-yes-really[/url])

Quote
By David Weigel 10/9/09 9:58 AM

The Republican National Committee has issued a political response to the president’s Nobel Peace Prize, blasting the Nobel Committee for denying the prize to unnamed “tireless advocates” and attacking the president’s domestic record. The quote, from RNC Chairman Michael Steele:

    The real question Americans are asking is, “What has President Obama actually accomplished?” It is unfortunate that the president’s star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights. One thing is certain — President Obama won’t be receiving any awards from Americans for job creation, fiscal responsibility, or backing up rhetoric with concrete action.

In recent years, really since the prize was awarded to Yasir Arafat, conservatives have attacked it as an award the America-hating parts of the world like to give out to promote their hatred. This, however, seems like a hasty statement from the opposition party.


Michael Steele - what an asshole.


Even Kanye West had a specific alternative in mind when he attacked Taylor Swift. Who exactly are these “tireless advocates” of which Steele speaks?

Mind you, I’m not saying better choices aren’t out there but I’d bet money that Steele and his puppet masters have no idea who they are and could not identify any of them if their very lives depended on it.

That’s the way it usually works. Some Swedish Economic Theorist nobody ever heard of wins. Folks nod their heads say “isn’t that nice?” and go back to what they were doing.    

Unless Michael Steele is going to say BILL CLINTON should have gotten it. A really good argument can be made for this. He did help rescue two journalists on top of his humanitarian work post Presidency. But a partisan hack like Steele will NEVER make that argument.

So he is reduced to saying: “I don’t know what they should have done but they should not have done that!”

By the way the “he doesn’t deserve it” contingent is suggesting he politely decline the award.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/10/09/what-obama-should-do-with-his-nobel-peace-prize.aspx (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/10/09/what-obama-should-do-with-his-nobel-peace-prize.aspx)

That argument is a sham to me as all the folks who think he is hubristic are inclined to hate him by definition. Why attempt to please folks that are disposed to hate your guts? Awards acceptance is a personal matter. His acceptance or non-acceptance won’t affect his running of the country in the slightest.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Emperorjones on October 09, 2009, 02:42:58 pm
As much as I hate to agree with Steele, I think he's got a point. What exactly has President Obama done to deserve this award? I think this is more a reaction to the changing of the guard from Bush to Obama than a true accounting of Obama's accomplishments in the pursuit of peace, etc. Its way too early to give him this award.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 09, 2009, 02:49:21 pm
DAMNIT, ROBBED AGAIN!!! >:(
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Vic Vega on October 09, 2009, 02:56:51 pm
As much as I hate to agree with Steele, I think he's got a point. What exactly has President Obama done to deserve this award? I think this is more a reaction to the changing of the guard from Bush to Obama than a true accounting of Obama's accomplishments in the pursuit of peace, etc. Its way too early to give him this award.

They gave a Nobel to Al Gore for raising world awareness to Global Warming. That is not a concrete accomplishment as such either.

They also give one to Kissinger for bombing the hell out of Southeast Asia.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Emperorjones on October 10, 2009, 04:29:44 am
Sure, some of the people who have been awarded the prize in the past could be questioned. But remember, Al Gore had been promoting environmental causes for 20 something years before he got the award. Jimmy Carter had been in the trenches for decades. Teddy Roosevelt had helped broker peace in the Russo-Japan War. Clinton never got the award, despite his part in bringing Arafat and Rabin together, his attempts at peace in the Balkans and Northern Ireland. 

Regarding Kissinger, he wasn't the President. He might have advised Nixon and later Ford, but it was up to the President to make the necessary military decisions. He didn't bomb anyone. President Obama still has troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.It's just too soon for him.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 10, 2009, 07:04:13 am
Obama says Nobel Peace Prize is "call to action" (http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE5981JK20091009)
Quote
Describing himself as surprised and deeply humbled, Obama said he would accept the award as a "call to action" to confront the global challenges of the 21st century.

"I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations," he said in the White House Rose Garden.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Obama for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," citing his fledgling push for nuclear disarmament and his outreach to the Muslim world.


You can question or criticize the committee's choice, of course. Steele is an asshole because he took the opportunity to attack the President for being selected by the committee.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 10, 2009, 11:52:04 am
When is Steele going to put on the lawn-jockey uniform and make it official?

This "Man" is a chairman in name only as he willingly abdicated all of the power usually associated with the position to other Republicans. He is routinely smacked down by Limbaugh and the like and he is only trotted out to make the most vitriolic statement against President Obama.

Steele is an absolute disgrace.

Season 3 of THE BOONDOCKS  should have Steele criticing Uncle Ruckus for being a militant in comparison.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 10, 2009, 12:03:55 pm
Obama restored the world's faith in America.  And restored America's faith in itself. 

He works day and night undoing the damage done to the country by 8 years of Bush, much of it we'll never know about because the press is too busy focusing on the latest tea bagger protest.

He's taken serious steps towards nuclear disarmament, he's reached out to the Arab/Muslim world, and people criticize him because he hasn't passed a health bill that has been eluding the greatest Democratic presidents since Roosevelt.

His legacy will take decades to understand because as a black man leading the world's most powerful nation the symbolism of what he's done will be emulated the world over.  There's a Arab boy in the suburbs of Paris that will one day be Prime Minister of France.  There's a dark skinned black girl in the favelas of Bahia that will run day run Brazil. 

There will be a second and third black president in the United States because he is the first.  Just like Miss America.  Corey Booker, Deval Patrick, Kamala Harris and other amazing next generation black political figures will rise up using the roadmap and organization Obama built.

He is the living embodiment of the American dream. 
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Jenn on October 10, 2009, 06:34:00 pm
And all of that is heartwarming and relevant and does nothing to explain why Ghandi went to his grave w/o a Nobel Peace Prize, but Obama gets one before being in office for one full year. Congrats to him, but I find it crazy to honor someone w/a Nobel Peace Prize for stuff you HOPE they will do.

Be that as it may, the idea that he should decline the honor is BEYOND insulting. They pulled that crap when they said he should bow down to Hillary and be her vice-president.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: FLEX HECTIC on October 10, 2009, 07:40:54 pm
If you research Ghandi he said some very racist things about black folks!


Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Magic Wand on October 11, 2009, 09:33:30 am
The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84o&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Jenn on October 11, 2009, 12:20:11 pm
If you research Ghandi he said some very racist things about black folks!

Wow, no sh*t? Any shocking news about the color of the sky?

Thanks for the link, Wand. I don't even like Maddow, but I'm glad I watched this. I learned a lot!
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 11, 2009, 01:00:12 pm
I love Maddow, but missed this.  Excellent. 
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Hypestyle on October 11, 2009, 02:03:38 pm
I congratulate the Prez on this occasion.  Hopefully the Prez will now be more openly aggressive (if that's the right word) for peace initiatives abroad as well as social justice policy at home.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 11, 2009, 03:20:41 pm
The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84o&feature=player_embedded[/url])

This is brilliant (to quote our British friend). Maddow nails it. Thanks, MW.

It's on the front page (http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/) of the main site.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Battle on October 13, 2009, 09:29:53 am
You just gotta have a sense of humor about these things. :-\

Here is a gallery of humorous political cartoons (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/politicalcartoons/ig/Political-Cartoons/Obama-s-Nobel-Peace-Prize.htm) (745 to be exact) documenting the winner of this year's Nobel Peace Prize award.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/politicalcartoons/ig/Political-Cartoons/Obama-s-Nobel-Peace-Prize.htm
(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/M/y/2/obama-nobel.gif)
Starting With This One...
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 13, 2009, 10:50:06 am
Rachel Maddow's last line:
"The American President just won the Nobel Peace Prize. By any reasonable measure, all Americans should be proud."
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Vic Vega on October 14, 2009, 03:58:07 pm
Just saw this and I had to share:

Matt Taibbi on Obama's Nobel

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/10/13/on-the-nobel-prize-for-occasional-peace/ (http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/10/13/on-the-nobel-prize-for-occasional-peace/)
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Godheval on October 14, 2009, 09:12:28 pm
And all of that is heartwarming and relevant and does nothing to explain why Ghandi went to his grave w/o a Nobel Peace Prize, but Obama gets one before being in office for one full year. Congrats to him, but I find it crazy to honor someone w/a Nobel Peace Prize for stuff you HOPE they will do.

I agree.  I think it was ridiculous that he won the award.  I want desperately to like Obama like I did when I was a sucker for all his rhetoric, but the facts of his administration so far speak louder.  The conservatives may be using this as another excuse to criticize Obama, which is stupid since Obama himself had nothing to do with the award, but it doesn't make the fact that he doesn't deserve it any less true.  In my view, the Nobel Prize has become little more than some sort of popularity contest.  The commission is just trying to participate in all the hooplah surounding Obama.  It's absurd.

Quote from: Jenn
Be that as it may, the idea that he should decline the honor is BEYOND insulting. They pulled that crap when they said he should bow down to Hillary and be her vice-president.

Now see, I disagree with you here.  While it is not for conservatives to say that he should decline the award, I would greatly respect Obama if he did reject it.  It would be an unprecedented gesture of humility.  It would show that Obama himself doesn't buy into all the hero worship and is more about doing his job. 

Of course, if he did so,  conservatives would probably spin it and say that it was another sign of his "elitism" to reject one of the world's most prestigious awards.  He wouldn't win, either way.

But, it's not his job to win points with conservatives.  He needs to be appealing to his base - those of us who put him office, and so far he's done nothing but cater to the middle.  Which amounts to nothing.

As for Maddow saying that we should be proud, why?  What exactly is there to be proud of in Obama's receipt of an award he doesn't deserve?  It is so characteristically superficial of Americans to be proud in the surface when there's no substance.  It's what the world expects of us.  We could've been proud of his rejection of the award, which would've been so UNcharacteristic of America that maybe we could've earned some of the world's RESPECT, rather than shallow celebrity-style admiration.

Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Godheval on October 14, 2009, 09:31:25 pm
Just saw this and I had to share:

Matt Taibbi on Obama's Nobel

[url]http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/10/13/on-the-nobel-prize-for-occasional-peace/[/url] ([url]http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/10/13/on-the-nobel-prize-for-occasional-peace/[/url])


That article is spot on, Vic.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Battle on October 16, 2009, 09:55:39 am
The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84o&feature=player_embedded[/url])



Ms. Maddow is sharp, funny and reminds me of Ellen. :)
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Battle on October 21, 2009, 07:45:36 am
(http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2009/db091021.gif)



Courtesy of doonesbury dot com
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: michaelintp on October 26, 2009, 11:28:51 pm
Well, here's my two cents.   ;)

The award of the Nobel Peace Prize to President Obama was remarkably premature.  At this point in time, it is entirely speculative as to whether his approach will substantially increase or decrease the risk of devastating war in the future. Furthermore, this is a question that reasonable and intelligent people have strongly differing views on. The Nobel Committee, and humanity, might be in a better position to evaluate the matter over the next decade. 

The fact that President Obama was given the award at this time, before he has accomplished anything of substance in the realm of world peace, does nothing but reveal how politically (or geo-politically) agenda-driven the Nobel Committee really is. 

The award also demonstrates what a joke the Nobel Peace Prize has become.  But then, that fact was established well before President Obama received the award.

So what has been the reaction of the American People to all this? Gallup reports that the majority of Americans do not believe President Obama deserved to win the Nobel Peace Prize (61%), but the public is split in its personal reaction to the announcement. Asked if they are “glad” Obama received the prize, 46% of Americans say yes and 47% say no. This USA Today/Gallup poll conducted about a week after the announcement asked whether Obama 'deserved' the award, and found Americans by roughly a 2-to-1 margin saying no rather than yes.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123851/Americans-Views-Obama-Nobel-Peace-Prize.aspx?CSTS=alert

Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 27, 2009, 05:44:19 am
At least you're criticizing the Nobel Committee instead of the President. Unlike so many of the detractors.

I don't know if the Nobel Peace Prize is a joking matter the world over. If you mean awarded by people with a very different perspective than your own, that is certainly true.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: michaelintp on October 27, 2009, 09:57:38 pm
At least you're criticizing the Nobel Committee instead of the President. Unlike so many of the detractors.

I don't know if the Nobel Peace Prize is a joking matter the world over. If you mean awarded by people with a very different perspective than your own, that is certainly true.

Well, Curtis, I see no reason to criticize President Obama here.  There is no indication that the President lobbied the Nobel Committee for the Peace Prize. On the contrary, it appears that the President was as shocked as we were when the award was announced.  The responsibility to award him the Peace Prize, with little or no justification, rests wholly with the Nobel Committee.  

Once awarded, there would have been little purpose to “refuse” the prize.  Particularly given the President’s and the Committee’s shared world vision, and their evident shared belief that the President might be able to use the “status” of the award to bolster his agenda internationally.

The problem with the Nobel Committee’s perspective is, of course, that attempts to appease dictators, tyrants and zealots do not usually result in a lasting peace.  On the contrary, they embolden those bent on conquest and the domination of others, paving the way to greater, more devastating, war.

It is a shame, really, that events moved so quickly in Europe in 1938.  Otherwise, we probably could have expected Neville Chamberlain to receive the Nobel Peace Price for his crowning diplomatic achievement, the Munich Agreement, signed by himself, Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Edouard Daladier (to allow "German ethnic reunification" in land "occupied" by the "counterfeit state" Czechoslovakia, no doubt to "remedy the wrongs inflicted against the German People" after the First World War). I’m sure the Committee would have shared Chamberlain’s noble sentiment, “I believe it is peace for our time . . . peace with honour.”

However, to the same effect, in 1937 the Nobel Committee granted the “prestigious” Peace Prize to Lord Edgar Algernon Robert Gascoyne Cecil, Cecil of Chelwood, Viscount - Writer, Former Lord Privy Seal. Founder and President of the International Peace Campaign. The International Peace Campaign emerged in early 1936. The IPC aimed to coordinate the work of existing pacifist organizations and other groups opposed to war, and campaigned in support of the League of Nations. After the outbreak of war, the campaign (not surprisingly) had difficulty sustaining its activities and was wound up in early 1941.

Thus, I must wholly agree with you, that I do not share the obsequious “vision” of the Nobel Committee.  Leading to my conclusion that their Peace Prize is, indeed, a joke, and has been for a very long time.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 29, 2009, 11:38:38 am
At least you're criticizing the Nobel Committee instead of the President. Unlike so many of the detractors.

I don't know if the Nobel Peace Prize is a joking matter the world over. If you mean awarded by people with a very different perspective than your own, that is certainly true.

Well, Curtis, I see no reason to criticize President Obama here.  There is no indication that the President lobbied the Nobel Committee for the Peace Prize. On the contrary, it appears that the President was as shocked as we were when the award was announced.  The responsibility to award him the Peace Prize, with little or no justification, rests wholly with the Nobel Committee.  
Absolutely. I compliment your lucidity on the focus of your criticism. I was merely contrasting your approach with the likes of Michael Steele among others.

Thus, I must wholly agree with you, that I do not share the obsequious “vision” of the Nobel Committee.  Leading to my conclusion that their Peace Prize is, indeed, a joke, and has been for a very long time.
Seems like a hit and miss kind of thing.
Title: Re: Pres. Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
Post by: michaelintp on October 29, 2009, 10:27:05 pm
Hahaha, well Curtis, that's what happens when you just noodle things out for yourself and write down your thoughts, instead of relying on secondary sources to spoon feed you your opinions.  There is far too much of the latter (on the part of both the Right and the Left) and far too little of the former.  But ... I better shut up, before I have to see a chiropractor for patting myself on the back too hard, hahahaha.   ;)