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Title: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 22, 2009, 05:19:21 am
In case you guys didn't know, the HEF FOI (mods) have a private forum where we pass things around, talk about stuff that comes up on the board, and do a lot of talking of our own.

One of the subjects that came up was the HBCU experience. (Historically Black College and University) Reggie asked a question based on what he's heard from countless people who have attended HBCU's and I answered with my own experience. He asked me to share it.

This is copied and pasted directly from our thread.

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It's true. FAMU was the same way.

What made it such a shocker for me was that here I was coming from a school district where you could count the number of Black faces on one hand (at the time) where things WERE done a certain way and very little, if any exceptions, were made.

Then I turn DOWN a full ride to Kent State (only 4 hours away by car) to go to what was supposed to be a full ride with a paid internship to boot to FAMU (a 20 hour bus ride)... and I had other scholarship money when I went down there.

1.) I find out when I got there that there was going to be NO internship. Why? Because I was a music major. Of course, I wasn't informed of this when I was awarded the scholarship.

2.) FAMU reduced the amount of my full ride by the amount of the other scholarship money I was awarded and applied it to the "balance."

3.) The scholarship - called the Life Gets Better Scholarship - insisted I apply for financial aid every year... and in my second year strung me out before they paid my bills because my parents refused to supply them a statement of my autistic brother's SSI. (social security something...) I finally got fed up and got it.

4.) My third year, the LGB scholarship strung out paying the bills all the way until two months into the spring semester. Why? "Apparently" Mom filled in the wrong code on the Financial Aid form.

5.) When they did pay up, instead of the stipend for two semesters (total of $2000) I was expecting, I find a bill for $580. I went to the LGBS office and asked what the hell that was. The coordinator - and she was doing her best to get me kicked off scholarship and tried to provoke me - informed me that was because I had been taking more than 15 hours.

I admit... That was true. By that time, I had taken 12, 22, 17, 19, 20, and was in the middle of a 21 hour semester at that point. My contract never specifically told me I couldn't. It just said I had to take 15 hours.

By the way... that 12 and the 22? I was supposed to be added into a Calculus II class. I went faithfully and aced it. I came to find out I wasn't registered... (after I spent days getting overrides... and this was my first week at FAMU that I did that!) so I made an arrangement with the teacher and registered the Spring Semester and didn't have to go.

6.) Being on scholarship, I wasn't supposed to work. It was against the rules. If I hadn't been working - playing piano for Campus Ministries and accompanying at a middle school in town - I wouldn't have had the money in the bank to go and pay the damn bill so I wouldn't be taken out of my classes.

7.) I was stashing away that money - and waiting on my stipend money - so I could pay for summer semester of school, graduate a year early, and get the hell out of there. Since they balked at paying everything AND I had to pay the rest of my Spring semester fees out of pocket, I was now short $2600. I had already applied to do my student-teaching and arranged for a DIS with the College of Education to get my last class in.

8.) I wrote a letter to the President of FAMU (Frederick Humphries. Don't trust his ass to shine your shoes...) and the LGBS Program and dropped copies of it over the university... My academic advisor. Asst. Dept. Chair... Dept Chair... Dean of Arts and Sciences... and the Provost. I dropped one at the School newspaper too, but they refused to touch it with a ten foot pole.

In the letter, I laid out the cost of the paid internship I didn't receive, the stipends I didn't receive, and the money I paid out of my own pocket. I still have the letter around here somewhere, but I think the total ended up at around $15000. (Years later, I looked at the letter and thought to myself... "Dumbass, you forgot to add in THIS and THIS!")

I then calculated the amount of money it would cost for them to keep me for year 4 and laid it next to what it would cost them to pay for summer semester and get rid of me... which would be a savings to them of I think $6000.

I received a call informing me that my request for second semester had been approved.

9.) So... Summer, I'm student teaching in Jacksonville, FL and already registered for my DIS. Sometime during the middle of the time, I start getting a gut feeling something is going on. Mom is acting all funny on the phone and so is the Music Secretary. I had a sneaking suspicion that I was pulled out of my classes... and I was right. FAMU sent a letter to my house saying that I was being withdrawn from my classes for nonpayment.

10.) Mom and the Music Dept. Secretary harangued and harassed the LGBS Coordinator - Dedra Azonobi-Oneal... - who promptly outright LIED to the Music Dept. Secretary and said everything would be cleared up. My father was flipping out because they didn't have $3600 lying around. A family friend - who may as well be my grandmother - pulled the money out of her account, gave it to my father, and told him to just pay it off. It was YEARS before me or even my mother knew this!

11.) After I finish my student teaching, I find out that all record of my registering for my DIS was wiped... the week before graduation. They claimed I never registered. I knew it was bull. I had to go to the Dean of College of Education, get a letter, and go to the Registrar - who cussed me out - and get a few other people to flex to get that pushed through.

12.) I graduate Summa Cum Laude. (3.9 GPA) Three years. Thought I was done...

13.) FAMU decided to withhold my transcripts because they claimed I owed $1200. I snapped, raised holy hell, and told them like HELL I did. They "found" the memo on a desk... At least, that was what I was told over the phone.

14.) I ordered a transcript for each graduate school I applied to and ordered three to be sent to my house. I received only one in the mail. I called down... They claimed they sent the transcripts. I told them that was a lie because I knew what I ordered. The woman hung up the phone on me.

15.) When I had my graduate interview at Indiana University, I confirmed that FAMU NEVER sent my transcripts. The sad thing was that I was carrying the lone sealed one I had in my coat... and I handed it personally to the Dept. Chair.

There's all sorts of other stuff I didn't mention... One example:

The night before I had a 7:30 A.M. Final Exam, I was waken up at 2:30 A.M. by six Campus police officers walking into my dorm room. "Health and Safety Welfare Inspection." They spent the next hour and a half searching my dorm room and asking me questions... while I was sitting on my bed butt naked and hiding my balls from view of the female police officer who stood in the doorway the entire time snickering and smiling.

After my exam, I called the police station and asked what the hell that was about. He said the RD requested it and told me that he was not allowed to tell me anything specific. I asked the RD and he didn't know anything about it. I called the police officer back. He started getting pissy and I KNEW I had him nailed. I told him I wanted him to come down and discuss it with the RD and me in the office. He refused, chewed me out, and hung the phone up on me.

If you love your children, DON'T send them or even allow them to consider an HBCU... Yeah, I said it. I can say it. You can even tell someone that I said it. I don't care.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 22, 2009, 06:04:33 am
Thanks for sharing, Lion.

It appears that attending an HBCU instills students with incredible patience, unparalleled ingenuity as well as outstanding perserverance to endure such a jacked-up system.

At least that is what my Morehouse and Howard friends have told me.

Kudos on your survival!
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: bluezulu on October 22, 2009, 06:12:34 am
I went on a prospective student trip to FT. Valley State and for lunch they served us bologna sandwiches. I went on a prospective student trip to my alma mata and they gave us steak and shrimp and threw a pool party later that evening. Not the true measure of what is important in choosing a institution of higher learning right. My alma mata was beautiful like an old southern plantation. I accompanied my roommate at the time to Albany State to see his girlfriend and one of his homeboys. There was broken glass in the shower stalls. I would never go to a hbcu but I can understand why some would. But hey at least the band will be off the chain. :)
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 22, 2009, 06:44:10 am
Hell yeah, the Marching 100 was out of the world. I'd do like everyone else did when they went to a football game at home. After the Band show at half time, I'd leave! I think the only time I ever saw the end of a FAMU Football Game is when they played Bethune Cookman and had a battle of the bands. (I was in the choir.)

It's a little bit of a mixed bag for me to put all that front and center, even though that does express both my experience and my feelings on the matter. I have met people that are lifelong friends and I have a great relationship with the music department there...

...and yet, it will be a cold day in hell before I contribute one dime to Florida A&M University, much less send a child of mine there. That bullsh*t is something that pervades ALL facets of the college experience down there. f*ck... It would take two weeks for anything mailed on campus. If I wanted to mail anything, I walked a mile down to the Tallahassee post office and sent it.

I don't care what anyone says. That is not normal and there is no excuse for it.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 22, 2009, 05:28:05 pm
I won't deny the some of the problems but honestly who fault is this really. You have so many graduates that don't want to contribute towards anything to make the school better by being apart of the alumni association. If one notice that some of the larger schools alumni associations and boosters are massive and they make sure the school is on top. But when you compare them to HBCU's ha! It is f*cking joke. It is almost as if some of these "graduates" are embarrassed.

What got my gears grinding was that you clearly didn't follow the guidelines of the scholarship (probably your entire time there) but have the nerve to complain? whatever dude.

I have a former roommate that went at University of Maryland College Park with a few issues so I guess he will blindly say that "white schools are bad"  ::)

I never experienced what you went through as a HBCU alum but I think it is highly unfair to place that emphasis and make that claim. So for each and every bad experience you will go through IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE you will just generalize it and leave it at that?

Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 22, 2009, 05:46:02 pm

I have a former roommate that went at University of Maryland College Park with a few issues so I guess he will blindly say that "white schools are bad"  ::)


Prejudice is born!

I never experienced what you went through as a HBCU alum but I think it is highly unfair to place that emphasis and make that claim. So for each and every bad experience you will go through IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE you will just generalize it and leave it at that?

Akuma,
I've got plenty of friends that graduated from HBCUs that would say that your experience is MUCH more unique than Lion's.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: JLI Jesse on October 22, 2009, 06:20:46 pm
I have a former roommate that went at University of Maryland College Park with a few issues so I guess he will blindly say that "white schools are bad"  ::)

What a coincidence, I once loved a girl from University of Maryland College Park (for a night, at least) and she stole my hoodie...I also hate the school now  ;)
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 22, 2009, 06:21:17 pm
Lion, should I mark you down for 2 or 3 thousand dollars to the FAMU alumni fund? 8)

Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 22, 2009, 06:42:56 pm
I won't deny the some of the problems but honestly who fault is this really. You have so many graduates that don't want to contribute towards anything to make the school better by being apart of the alumni association.

Whose fault is this, really? Bullsh*t. Fact is, they lied to get me there, they broke the contract once I got there, and they did their damndest to force me out once I got there.

Treat me like sh*t and it will be a cold day in hell before I help you out.

If one notice that some of the larger schools alumni associations and boosters are massive and they make sure the school is on top. But when you compare them to HBCU's ha! It is f*cking joke. It is almost as if some of these "graduates" are embarrassed.


Embarrassed? Nah... Disenchanted? I can buy it.

What got my gears grinding was that you clearly didn't follow the guidelines of the scholarship (probably your entire time there) but have the nerve to complain? whatever dude.


Man... You are hilarious. Let me count the way I broke the "rules."

1.) I worked.

By the way... that rule against working wasn't in the f*cking contract. It was sprung on us after we got there. It was a damn good thing I did work, otherwise I wouldn't have had a dime when they were f*cking around with my money... which they did every semester I was there.

2.) I took more than 15 hours a semester.

Damn right I did. Especially since in the orientation meeting, we were told we had to take a minimum of 15 to stay on scholarship. They didn't give a damn that I was taking more until my third year.

Let me count the ways they broke the contract.

1.) Paid internship - Never saw it. Never saw the money I would have earned, either.
2.) Stipend every semester - Saw it the first year and never saw it after that.
3.) Room and board - I received an eviction notice from the dorm my second and third year... Why? Because they f*cked around on paying the bills. I started off every year with a week-long fast, seeing that it took that long to get them to activate my f*cking meal card.
4.) Full tuition - Bullsh*t. I paid for my last two semesters.

Unless you were there, you don't have a f*cking leg to stand on or to judge. They wanted the f*cking best. They got the f*cking best. They didn't hold up their end of the deal.

They couldn't get me on grades. They couldn't get me on behavior. So they made up something to get me on. After one year of having put up with their sh*t, I decided that rather than transfer and waste a year - and likely pay for schooling out of pocket because I wouldn't be getting another full ride - that I would take more classes and get the hell out. And that's what I did.

I have a former roommate that went at University of Maryland College Park with a few issues so I guess he will blindly say that "white schools are bad"  ::)

I never experienced what you went through as a HBCU alum but I think it is highly unfair to place that emphasis and make that claim. So for each and every bad experience you will go through IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE you will just generalize it and leave it at that?

If you think I am the only person who has had an experience like that and that this sh*t only happens at FAMU, you really don't have a f*cking clue. So quit pretending that you do.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 22, 2009, 06:47:36 pm
Lion, should I mark you down for 2 or 3 thousand dollars to the FAMU alumni fund? 8)

Why not? Just make sure you have gloves and a plastic bag when you come to collect it, because I plan to eat it first. I promise not to flush.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 22, 2009, 07:40:46 pm
Lion, should I mark you down for 2 or 3 thousand dollars to the FAMU alumni fund? 8)

Why not? Just make sure you have gloves and a plastic bag when you come to collect it, because I plan to eat it first. I promise not to flush.

You can arrange the exchange with Jenn who is a part of FAMU alumni affairs.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 22, 2009, 07:44:08 pm
For real, though... Are you a rattler? I know Jenn is. If so, when did you come out?
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 22, 2009, 09:25:13 pm

Akuma,
I've got plenty of friends that graduated from HBCUs that would say that your experience is MUCH more unique than Lion's.

So what and I have a large amount of friends with the same positive experiences at HBCUs as mine and friends with negative experiences at non-HBCUs. Your point? 

Whose fault is this, really? Bullsh*t. Fact is, they lied to get me there, they broke the contract once I got there, and they did their damndest to force me out once I got there.

Treat me like sh*t and it will be a cold day in hell before I help you out.
So they lied to a music major where the scholarship is meant for students that is in engineering & sciences to get you there? I don't believe you at all.  I have a hard time believing that the school didn't tell you that prior to you getting it.
Man... You are hilarious. Let me count the way I broke the "rules."

1.) I worked.

By the way... that rule against working wasn't in the f*cking contract. It was sprung on us after we got there. It was a damn good thing I did work, otherwise I wouldn't have had a dime when they were f*cking around with my money... which they did every semester I was there.

2.) I took more than 15 hours a semester.

Damn right I did. Especially since in the orientation meeting, we were told we had to take a minimum of 15 to stay on scholarship. They didn't give a damn that I was taking more until my third year.

Let me count the ways they broke the contract.

1.) Paid internship - Never saw it. Never saw the money I would have earned, either.
2.) Stipend every semester - Saw it the first year and never saw it after that.
3.) Room and board - I received an eviction notice from the dorm my second and third year... Why? Because they f*cked around on paying the bills. I started off every year with a week-long fast, seeing that it took that long to get them to activate my f*cking meal card.
4.) Full tuition - Bullsh*t. I paid for my last two semesters.

Unless you were there, you don't have a f*cking leg to stand on or to judge. They wanted the f*cking best. They got the f*cking best. They didn't hold up their end of the deal.

They couldn't get me on grades. They couldn't get me on behavior. So they made up something to get me on. After one year of having put up with their sh*t, I decided that rather than transfer and waste a year - and likely pay for schooling out of pocket because I wouldn't be getting another full ride - that I would take more classes and get the hell out. And that's what I did.

Maybe just maybe if you didn't went over the 15 hours then you wouldn't have pay all of the extra money out of pocket in the first place so by trying to find a loophole and you got yourself in a worse situation. Maybe the reason why one cant go over 15 hours since it could be a possibility of over spending. I wouldn't be surprised if that their is an actual cap of money being used for 15 hours. If it goes over then the money from the next semester would be used to pay for it. Most likely it led to the point of no money left later than it should. So who fault is it again?  Saying the line "it didn't specially say it" kind of doesn't give you a valid reason to go over but hey mission accomplished.

If you think I am the only person who has had an experience like that and that this sh*t only happens at FAMU, you really don't have a f*cking clue. So quit pretending that you do.
No one said you were only person whom experience your "terrible woes" nor stating only FAMU but again blindly bashing all 105 schools for no reason is silly plain and simple. So once again for every bad experience you have encountered and if just so happens they have a similar experience like you it must be FACT and blindly generalize it all.  Right I got it now.

So I guess the rest of the 104 are exactly like your experiences. I'll keep that in mind. And I don't need to pretend because once again I never experienced your mess.




Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 22, 2009, 10:19:20 pm

Akuma,
I've got plenty of friends that graduated from HBCUs that would say that your experience is MUCH more unique than Lion's.

So what and I have a large amount of friends with the same positive experiences at HBCUs as mine and friends with negative experiences at non-HBCUs. Your point? 

My point is clearly stated.
Lion's HBCU experience isn't unusual, even amongst the "Ivy League" HBCUs.
Which school did you attend and how do you "give back"?





Shoot,
I've got my own HBCU horror story; I refused to tolerate the idiocy of the administration and bailed within a week!
Landed my intolerant ass in aviation school instead.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 22, 2009, 10:22:43 pm
For real, though... Are you a rattler? I know Jenn is. If so, when did you come out?

No, I'm not a rattler but if I get a FAMU connect I will be more than happy to get information that will keep Jenn in line!

Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 22, 2009, 10:54:42 pm
How many HBCU graduates are here?
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 23, 2009, 12:16:55 am
How many HBCU graduates are here?

Not I!
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 23, 2009, 04:28:27 am
f*cking quotes...


Akuma,
I've got plenty of friends that graduated from HBCUs that would say that your experience is MUCH more unique than Lion's.

So what and I have a large amount of friends with the same positive experiences at HBCUs as mine and friends with negative experiences at non-HBCUs. Your point?  

Whose fault is this, really? Bullsh*t. Fact is, they lied to get me there, they broke the contract once I got there, and they did their damndest to force me out once I got there.

Treat me like sh*t and it will be a cold day in hell before I help you out.

So they lied to a music major where the scholarship is meant for students that is in engineering & sciences to get you there? I don't believe you at all.  I have a hard time believing that the school didn't tell you that prior to you getting it.

1.) I declared my major on my application to the school and to the scholarship.

2.) It was not limited to engineering and sciences. There were also English majors (who also got screwed) and Business majors (who didn't get screwed) who were on scholarship. They didn't start specifying majors until well after I graduated.

3.) I sure as hell was lied to... and I wasn't the only one.

Man... You are hilarious. Let me count the way I broke the "rules."

1.) I worked.

By the way... that rule against working wasn't in the f*cking contract. It was sprung on us after we got there. It was a damn good thing I did work, otherwise I wouldn't have had a dime when they were f*cking around with my money... which they did every semester I was there.

2.) I took more than 15 hours a semester.

Damn right I did. Especially since in the orientation meeting, we were told we had to take a minimum of 15 to stay on scholarship. They didn't give a damn that I was taking more until my third year.

Let me count the ways they broke the contract.

1.) Paid internship - Never saw it. Never saw the money I would have earned, either.
2.) Stipend every semester - Saw it the first year and never saw it after that.
3.) Room and board - I received an eviction notice from the dorm my second and third year... Why? Because they f*cked around on paying the bills. I started off every year with a week-long fast, seeing that it took that long to get them to activate my f*cking meal card.
4.) Full tuition - Bullsh*t. I paid for my last two semesters.

Unless you were there, you don't have a f*cking leg to stand on or to judge. They wanted the f*cking best. They got the f*cking best. They didn't hold up their end of the deal.

They couldn't get me on grades. They couldn't get me on behavior. So they made up something to get me on. After one year of having put up with their sh*t, I decided that rather than transfer and waste a year - and likely pay for schooling out of pocket because I wouldn't be getting another full ride - that I would take more classes and get the hell out. And that's what I did.

Maybe just maybe if you didn't went over the 15 hours then you wouldn't have pay all of the extra money out of pocket in the first place so by trying to find a loophole and you got yourself in a worse situation. Maybe the reason why one cant go over 15 hours since it could be a possibility of over spending. I wouldn't be surprised if that their is an actual cap of money being used for 15 hours. If it goes over then the money from the next semester would be used to pay for it. Most likely it led to the point of no money left later than it should. So who fault is it again?  Saying the line "it didn't specially say it" kind of doesn't give you a valid reason to go over but hey mission accomplished.

Love how you are trying to rationalize the whole thing to defend a school you have never attended and have no experience with.

They never expressed any objections until the second half of the third year. The classes I took were core classes that I would have had to take anyway. I graduated with exactly 120 credit hours (which is 15 x 8, by the way), had 6 hours exempted (because those were repeating classes I didn't have to take), and saved them a year's room and board and stipend...

...and seeing that they balked on the internship I was supposed to have every summer, took my scholarship money, withheld two years of stipends, didn't pay for my sixth semester, lied and didn't pay for my summer semester enrollment (where I was student teaching out of town and took a job to pay for rent and the one meal I had a day)...

I cost them a hell of a lot less than anyone else.

If you think I am the only person who has had an experience like that and that this sh*t only happens at FAMU, you really don't have a f*cking clue. So quit pretending that you do.

No one said you were only person whom experience your "terrible woes" nor stating only FAMU but again blindly bashing all 105 schools for no reason is silly plain and simple. So once again for every bad experience you have encountered and if just so happens they have a similar experience like you it must be FACT and blindly generalize it all.  Right I got it now.

So I guess the rest of the 104 are exactly like your experiences. I'll keep that in mind. And I don't need to pretend because once again I never experienced your mess.

It is hilarious how you are spinning this whole thing to defend something that you have no first-hand experience with and know nothing about.

I'm describing a pattern of behavior that happens in Black institutions and is carried out by Black people in false positions of power who don't have their sh*t together trying to lord it over others... a specific type of shucking and jiving and tomfoolery that you won't find at the major universities.

So... Go ahead. Get mad. It should infuriate you. Eleven years after the fact, it still infuriates me. But don't come to me defending it or attacking me as non-credible because you don't want to believe Black people in positions of power are capable of shucking, jiving, lying, and tomfoolery to get what they want from Black people lower than them on the food chain.

Personally, I have no qualms about talking about our dirty laundry or "snitching", if you will.

You have friends that have had positive HBCU experiences. Good. So do I. Start talking to them about the bullsh*t that happens there and see if you don't find something odd.

Two weeks for mail to get from one end of campus to the building next to it? Not normal. Five weeks to print out a sheet of paper and slap it in a press? Not normal. Two weeks to get an appointment to go to Financial Aid so they can cancel on you? Not normal. Four hours criss-crossing the campus to get overrides to get into classes? Not normal. Not seeing your stipend or net check until after the semester is nearly over? Not normal. Try pulling that bullsh*t elsewhere and see what happens.

I've got no patience or tolerance for it.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 23, 2009, 09:42:48 am
Not I!

You sound so proud of that.  ::)
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 23, 2009, 05:12:49 pm
My point is clearly stated.
Lion's HBCU experience isn't unusual, even amongst the "Ivy League" HBCUs.
Which school did you attend and how do you "give back"?





Shoot,
I've got my own HBCU horror story; I refused to tolerate the idiocy of the administration and bailed within a week!
Landed my intolerant ass in aviation school instead.
No it isn't your point isn't any more clearer than a person stating that coke tastes better than pepsi or vice versa.

Now since you want to be cute and clever with your quotes ::). I attended Morgan State in Baltimore and graduated in 2005. Ever since I graduated I did the best I could to be there for the new generation of graduates. I have a good friend that was also an alum where we help many young men in mentoring programs. The name of it is called Morgan MILE (Male Initiative on Leadership and Excellence) and the other was the Warrior Institute. Both were setup to tackle the large amount of black males whom drop out. As you already know black males have problems at times regardless of what institution he attends. I applaud Dr D. Jason DeSousa (Morgan MILE)  and Dr Raymond Winbush (Warrior Institute) for creating these. The first time I heard about I ran over to the school to see what it is all about. Once I attended and have seen what they were doing I wrote a check to the school and I have been doing it ever since. Instead of f*cking whining and complaining they did something about. If you must know I may not place alot of money into it (35 bux a month) but I know that I am doing my part to make my school a better school for future.


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1.) I declared my major on my application to the school and to the scholarship.

2.) It was not limited to engineering and sciences. There were also English majors (who also got screwed) and Business majors (who didn't get screwed) who were on scholarship. They didn't start specifying majors until well after I graduated.

3.) I sure as hell was lied to... and I wasn't the only one.
I'm just not going to sit here blindly think that your school lied to you and so many other students to attend your school. I'm sorry I just don't believe you at all.

Love how you are trying to rationalize the whole thing to defend a school you have never attended and have no experience with.

They never expressed any objections until the second half of the third year. The classes I took were core classes that I would have had to take anyway. I graduated with exactly 120 credit hours (which is 15 x 8, by the way), had 6 hours exempted (because those were repeating classes I didn't have to take), and saved them a year's room and board and stipend...

...and seeing that they balked on the internship I was supposed to have every summer, took my scholarship money, withheld two years of stipends, didn't pay for my sixth semester, lied and didn't pay for my summer semester enrollment (where I was student teaching out of town and took a job to pay for rent and the one meal I had a day)...

I cost them a hell of a lot less than anyone else.
Basically what I was saying was simple. Their must be a reason why that one can't go over 15 hours per semester did you even bother to learn why?

It is hilarious how you are spinning this whole thing to defend something that you have no first-hand experience with and know nothing about.

I'm describing a pattern of behavior that happens in Black institutions and is carried out by Black people in false positions of power who don't have their sh*t together trying to lord it over others... a specific type of shucking and jiving and tomfoolery that you won't find at the major universities.

So... Go ahead. Get mad. It should infuriate you. Eleven years after the fact, it still infuriates me. But don't come to me defending it or attacking me as non-credible because you don't want to believe Black people in positions of power are capable of shucking, jiving, lying, and tomfoolery to get what they want from Black people lower than them on the food chain.

Personally, I have no qualms about talking about our dirty laundry or "snitching", if you will.

You have friends that have had positive HBCU experiences. Good. So do I. Start talking to them about the bullsh*t that happens there and see if you don't find something odd.

Two weeks for mail to get from one end of campus to the building next to it? Not normal. Five weeks to print out a sheet of paper and slap it in a press? Not normal. Two weeks to get an appointment to go to Financial Aid so they can cancel on you? Not normal. Four hours criss-crossing the campus to get overrides to get into classes? Not normal. Not seeing your stipend or net check until after the semester is nearly over? Not normal. Try pulling that bullsh*t elsewhere and see what happens.

I've got no patience or tolerance for it.
Right by blindly saying that ALL HBCUs are like this makes it any more valid or as fact? Man please you are the comedian not I. It is nothing more than a few students among the thousands of students whom attend and graduated and never had your experience at all but you still had the nerve to disdain the schools?

I am attacking you because you are just the typical overly arrogant individual whom act as if their sh*t dont stink and want to make baseless generalizing claims. What you are doing is just reinterpreting the intent of the civil rights movement and the laws that followed to complete get rid of black schools since now blacks can attend any school they want rather than to enhance them to the point of parity. Many of these schools are struggling financially and doing the best they can to educate people but then their are people like you whom want to f*ck things up.


So yeah I am a disturbed but I am not going to sit there and let you trash them plain and simple so we are in a dilemma
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 23, 2009, 05:39:16 pm
You know; I gave my account and you obviously already made up your mind despite not knowing one goddamn thing that you are talking about.

You don't know me. Don't pretend you do. We've not had one discussion on this forum that I can recall in all the time we've both been here.

It was never about convincing you or somehow "impressing" you. You don't factor into it at all and quite frankly, your uneducated opinion is as worthless as YOU are. I had nothing to gain at all by bringing this up on a private area of the board you can't see, much less agreeing to post it in the blog section or agreeing to let it be put on the front page of the damn website where everyone and his/her mother could comment on it.

So, f*ck you... f*ck the horse you rode in on... and f*ck your momma for making you in the first place. No wait... Let's not f*ck her, because the last thing we need to risk are more arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, dumbass ingrates such as yourself being born into this world.

That said, go to hell, get on your knees, and fellate the devil like the little snot-nosed cocksucker that you are.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Catch22 on October 23, 2009, 05:58:37 pm
My 2 Cents...by Catch22

I attended an HBCU...Alabama State University and my experience there was nothing short of fantastic.  Before I transferred to ASU, I was at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa for a year.  My experience at an HBCU was infinitely better than my experience at the predominantly white institution.  Did I have registration and financial aid/scholarship problems?  Yes...at both schools.  Were there people unqualified to be in what they believed to be positions of power?  Yes...again at both schools.   

At UofA, they decided to make me room with a white guy (surprise, right? :) ) that wanted to be a rapper (I'll have to post that full story in my blog sometime.  Think Bud Bundy meets Alex Keaton).  Mind you, this was before a white guy rapping was anything more than a novelty...but to make a long story short, it took them about three months to get around to my request for new residence and it wasn't because anything was full or overcrowding, but because they "lost" my paper work a couple of times.  That being said, there are incompetent workers on college  campuses all over this country, it's not exclusive to the HBCU. 

My wife is still amazed at the number of people who honk, shout and wave at her when she drives my car and they see my ASU Alumni tag and window decal.  The majority of people I know that went to ASU still love it and they show up at the Magic City Classic like clock work. 

Honestly, the most problems I had on campus when I was in school were with people not from the south, NYC in particular (apologies to the NYC Fam!).  You'd always hear them complain about EVERYTHING.  No good food, everything's too slow, there's nothing to do here and the cardinal sin of thinking that everyone from the South was an ignorant rube that could be easily gamed.  Like I told them..."Why are you here if it's that bad? There's no anchor attached to your ass holding you down!"   Just wanted to throw that in there! :)

I've been invited back to the school several time to speak to students and when I was living in Alabama, I hired students as IT interns to help get their careers started.  I'm a member of our Alumni Assoc. and I give a little something, something on a monthly basis.  I even have friends that have gone back to teach at the College of Business Administration...which my class (c/o '95) helped attain it's Accreditation in 1994.   ;D

I'd better stop before I bust out in a chorus of "I'm So Glad"!   
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 23, 2009, 08:27:33 pm
I'm just not going to sit here blindly think that your school lied to you and so many other students to attend your school. I'm sorry I just don't believe you at all.
So, you don't believe him because ... you don't believe him. That is your prerogative but surely you recognize that the logic is less than compelling. I'll accept the eyewitness account provisionally.

I have heard so many stories like that, it seems completely plausible to me. My wife is a FAMU alumna and also worked for Fashion Fair Cosmetics for a number of years. Let's just say that we have spent a lot of time over the years wondering what the hell is wrong with black organizations. That's not to say that it was all negative or even mostly negative but the notion of professionalism is largely theoretical far too often.

The other thing that dismays me is the eagerness to defend this shoddiness instead of demanding excellence. "You know, they doing the best they can." No. They're not.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 23, 2009, 10:03:24 pm
My 2 Cents...by Catch22

Honestly, the most problems I had on campus when I was in school were with people not from the south, NYC in particular (apologies to the NYC Fam!).  You'd always hear them complain about EVERYTHING.  No good food, everything's too slow, there's nothing to do here and the cardinal sin of thinking that everyone from the South was an ignorant rube that could be easily gamed.  Like I told them..."Why are you here if it's that bad? There's no anchor attached to your ass holding you down!"   Just wanted to throw that in there! :)

Taking a shot at NYC, eh!

NOW I see why you need so many aliases! 8)
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 23, 2009, 10:39:34 pm
So, f*ck you... f*ck the horse you rode in on... and f*ck your momma for making you in the first place. No wait... Let's not f*ck her, because the last thing we need to risk are more arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, dumbass ingrates such as yourself being born into this world.


Are you serious? If you don't want your experiences questioned or disbelieved, don't post them on a message board. I'm sure there was a ton of fellatio in the War Room or the FOI board or wherever this all started. Why wasn't that good enough? Did you really need an extended group of people whining about how much HBCUs suck?

I already regret posting in this thread - I had no desire to give your story any credence one way or the other - but it's not like anybody else is going to call you on this. Did you really have to go there about this guy's mother just because he didn't believe you? You, a moderator, who has BAWWWWWed to me about my posting? Even *I*, in my tumultuous history here at HEF, have never said some sh*t like that (I think). His mother? His MOTHER? HIS F*CKING MOTHER? Then again, misogyny is par for the course here at HEF.

Furthermore, you ASSumed akumatrunigga didn't attend an HBCU. (You apparently missed it the first time he mentioned it.)

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It is hilarious how you are spinning this whole thing to defend something that you have no first-hand experience with and know nothing about.


When he told you he went to Morgan State, you blew a gasket. I'm sure your next comment will be that he didn't go to FAM. Well, I went to FAM - also on a scholarship - and *I* rolled my eyes at your story. Lessee...your parents refused to supply paperwork that was asked for. Your mother filled in the wrong code on your paperwork. (f*ck her, I guess. Or not.) You worked more hours than you were supposed to. And all of that was FAMU's fault? Gee, let's hear about my story about how I lost my ROTC scholarship after taking medication that led to a psychotic episode my sophomore year! Oh, and apparently you are such an important human being that FAMU was gunning to have your scholarship taken away. You never mentioned why, so you'll excuse some of us for cocking a brow at your tale of woe. Hell, if things were that bad, why didn't you transfer to State? Oh, and Dr. Humphries can't be trusted to do anything? HAHAHAHAHAHNIGGAPLZ. Hump may have more liquor in him than a distillery, but THAT is bullsh*t. I'm sure there wasn't much he could do while you were working more hours than your scholarship allowed.

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Eleven years after the fact, it still infuriates me.


There are therapists for that, dude. (Make a weak-ass bipolar joke here.)

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You know; I gave my account and you obviously already made up your mind despite not knowing one goddamn thing that you are talking about.


You gave your account on a message board. How come he doesn't know what he's talking about - because he questioned you? Yet the ones that DO accept your story magically know what you're talking about, despite the fact that we all got the same story?

Honestly, this entire thread was little more than an opportunity for people to brag about their bullsh*t state college experiences and their more-Negro-than-thou-art attitudes towards HBCUs. Half of these cats are "I heard" and "my friend said". One guy bragged because some white college fed him steak! Bully for you guys, geez. I'm proud to have gone to an HBCU, I would never send my kids to a white college (nor would I pay for it if they chose to attend one), and I feel sorry for anybody who didn't.

Now, seeing that I went to FAMU on a scholarship and feel that Lion's memory is a bit selective, let's see what kind of fun things he's going to say about me and *my* mother. If he'll talk like that to another man, I'm sure the insults towards me - a woman - will top anything that Peruvian guy had to say.

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Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 23, 2009, 10:55:12 pm
I'd better stop before I bust out in a chorus of "I'm So Glad"!   

Singing "Glory, hallelujah
God bless FAMU!!!!"

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That being said, there are incompetent workers on college  campuses all over this country, it's not exclusive to the HBCU.

These bourgeoisie niggers should talk to my best friend from GERMANY who got royally screwed by Florida State. LULZ at this entire goddamn thread.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 24, 2009, 05:32:22 am
Jenn... Feel free to join akuma... because I don't give two sh*ts what you have to say, either. Especially given all the games you know FAMU plays in the financial aid department and all of its administrative systems. Do you honestly believe it takes months after class begins to cut a Financial Aid net check on a FAFSA form filed the previous year?

The Life Gets Better Scholarship, The Distinguished Scholars, Thurgood Marshall Scholarship were located in and directly administered by the President's office. At the time, FAMU was competing to get more African-American Merit Scholars than Harvard. Whether they retained them? Beats me. Doesn't matter.

The purpose of the post was to solicit HBCU experiences to see how they compared, whether positive or negative and see what needed to be done. Read the first page of the website to see Reggie's intro and call for discussion. Or don't... I don't care.

And I don't give a damn about your fake outrage over my clear misogyny, either.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Catch22 on October 24, 2009, 08:04:40 am
Jenn... Feel free to join akuma... because I don't give two sh*ts what you have to say, either. Especially given all the games you know FAMU plays in the financial aid department and all of its administrative systems. Do you honestly believe it takes months after class begins to cut a Financial Aid net check on a FAFSA form filed the previous year?

The Life Gets Better Scholarship, The Distinguished Scholars, Thurgood Marshall Scholarship were located in and directly administered by the President's office. At the time, FAMU was competing to get more African-American Merit Scholars than Harvard. Whether they retained them? Beats me. Doesn't matter.

The purpose of the post was to solicit HBCU experiences to see how they compared, whether positive or negative and see what needed to be done. Read the first page of the website to see Reggie's intro and call for discussion. Or don't... I don't care.

And I don't give a damn about your fake outrage over my clear misogyny, either.


You guys disagreed and have differing opinions of HBCUs...we got that.  But, Jenn's right about the content and tone of that earlier post.  It was just plain uncalled for in a discussion about Black College experiences.  Frankly, I'm more disappointed in Curtis' response in glossing over that post and taking Akuma to task for having issues with your story.  Hey, if that's the way it happened with you at FAMU, fine, but to go off on that tangent because someone had the nerve to question it was ridiculous.  In ending this, I'll head off any other HEF FOI that wants to go off on a profanity laced tirade.  I don't play those games...I'm not an internet thug/sh*t talker...if you wouldn't feel confident saying something to my face..don't type it on here.

Just to put it in perspective...a while back when I was new to the board, I made a joke about Mr. Wright, now The Dark Wright TM, by posting a youtube video of someone talking out of their ass and I was immediately "reprimanded" by one of the mods.  Practice what you preach.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 24, 2009, 08:15:59 am
Gee Lion,
You my Dawg and all, but umm....that last tirade aimed at akuma, is seriously over-the-top.
Wanna rethink that?
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Lion on October 24, 2009, 09:15:24 am
Hell no, I'm not going to rethink that. He has a different opinion of HBCU's and the HBCU experience than I do? Fine. That's his right.

Once he accused me of lying and exercising selective memory... Once he went so far as to outright defend and justify something that happened to me...

I was waaaaytoo kind. He got what he was asking for... and as far as I'm concerned, Jenn and anyone else who wants to defend him can line up for more of the same.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 24, 2009, 10:37:53 am
Jenn... Feel free to join akuma... because I don't give two sh*ts what you have to say, either.

 ::)

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Especially given all the games you know FAMU plays in the financial aid department and all of its administrative systems.

I do? Maybe it's because of the ROTC program, but I never once had a problem. In fact, FAMU was kind enough to let me keep my scholarship for the spring semester, even though I was discharged from the program in the fall of 2001. So no...I don't know anything about what you went through. Now, there WAS the Gainous debacle and the Wheel O'Presidents. But if I'm following your timeline right, you weren't even there for that. And Dr. Ammons has been shown praised repeatedly for getting FAMU back on track.

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The purpose of the post was to solicit HBCU experiences to see how they compared, whether positive or negative and see what needed to be done.

And I've shared mine. And now you're pouting about it. Just be honest and say that this thread was to bash HBCUs and hail the great glory of good white folks and their good white colleges.


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And I don't give a damn about your fake outrage over my clear misogyny, either.

Who says I'm outraged? Calling you on your sh*t != outraged. I'm just doing what I already know most of the men here at HEF - including the all-male mod squad - won't do.

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Jenn and anyone else who wants to defend him can line up for more of the same.

Right, because "f*ck you and your mom" stings so badly. Ow.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 24, 2009, 11:04:39 am
You guys disagreed and have differing opinions of HBCUs...we got that.  But, Jenn's right about the content and tone of that earlier post.  It was just plain uncalled for in a discussion about Black College experiences.  Frankly, I'm more disappointed in Curtis' response in glossing over that post and taking Akuma to task for having issues with your story. 
I addressed the tone of the message with Lion privately.
It wasn't my intent to "take Akuma to task". He believes what he believes.

Some apparently took Lion's story as a blanket indictment of HBCUs and sprang to their defense. I get that. My perception of his post was different.

I have been in conversations for more than 30 years about the shortcomings of black institutions including but not limited to HBCUs. Don't get it twisted, I think their mission is important and they have done wonderful things including turning out the majority of African American college graduates. At the same time, I do notice a professionalism gap on the whole AND a disturbing tendency to excuse those lapses instead of holding them to a high standard. I think we'd all like to see all those institutions raise their game. We need them to do just that. And I think they need us to hold them to a high standard of excellence.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 24, 2009, 11:15:34 am
I addressed the tone of the message with Lion privately.

Apparently it worked, seeing that his response was "he deserved it and anybody else can get some, too". What a wonderful representation of the HEF moderating team. Why don't you bring back Cooper while you're at it?

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My perception of his post was different.

Hmm.

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So, f*ck you... f*ck the horse you rode in on... and f*ck your momma for making you in the first place. No wait... Let's not f*ck her, because the last thing we need to risk are more arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, dumbass ingrates such as yourself being born into this world.

I would LOVE to know what your interpretation of that little temper tantrum was, boss.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 24, 2009, 11:46:27 am
I addressed the tone of the message with Lion privately.
Apparently it worked, seeing that his response was "he deserved it and anybody else can get some, too". What a wonderful representation of the HEF moderating team. Why don't you bring back Cooper while you're at it?
I spoke with Lion today.

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So, f*ck you... f*ck the horse you rode in on... and f*ck your momma for making you in the first place. No wait... Let's not f*ck her, because the last thing we need to risk are more arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, dumbass ingrates such as yourself being born into this world.

I would LOVE to know what your interpretation of that little temper tantrum was, boss.
That it is a temper tantrum. And inappropriate.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 24, 2009, 12:09:19 pm
Just to be clear, I never slammed ALL HBCUs.  Or ANY.
I just said that Lion’s story ain’t all that unique amongst HBCU graduates that I know.
They share these stories and fiercely defend their alma maters…expressing disdain for my having had it so easy at a non-HBCU.  They call me a woose for not having had the the wherewithal to endure more than the week that I tried to attend an HBCU.  I will not apologize for having options.  I was not on any school awarded scholarship, so I exercised my prerogative to bounce out of that particular system that infuriated me.

Specifically, I endured a long ass bus ride to an HBCU that had accepted me into their Industrial Engineering program as a THIRD year student.  I was especially excited about the prospect of attending uni in an environment reportedly more nurturing than the non-HBCU that I’d voluntarily left.  The college catalog presented a “top rated” engineering department and boasted brand new facilities, state of the art equipment and such.  Heck, even Ebony had had a recent article extolling the virtues of THIS SPECIFIC SCHOOL, with pretty pictures and everything!

Upon arrival, I quickly discovered bleakly substandard living conditions that I resolved to endure for the sake of the “Black experience”.  A horrifying registration experience landed me in the Dean’s office, fuming that NONE of my core classes were being offered that semester.  The Dean advised that although the department buildings and equipment were all new, professors had not yet been secured for my program.  To assuage my fears,  he counseled me to register for M.E. classes for the time being and that all the credits would transfer to an I.E. degree in the end.  Reluctantly, I agreed.  However, a series of additional administrative crapola nearly pushed me over the edge.  After attending a week’s worth of classes, sleeping seven days in their dorm and eating a week’s worth of meals in the cafeteria, I fled with three fat ass scholarship checks in my pocket payable to that university.

I’m no shyster.  It is possible that I misinterpreted the college catalog and the article in Ebony.  But I don't think so.    That is why I do not doubt Lion's story about the lies he was told.

The non-HBCU that I finally graduated from delivered EVERYTHING that they promised, hassle-free.  Not saying it was more credible or competent because they were Jesuit white folks, just that it was a mo' better university experience for me.

Bourgeois has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 27, 2009, 07:26:48 pm
1. You know; I gave my account and you obviously already made up your mind despite not knowing one goddamn thing that you are talking about.

2. You don't know me. Don't pretend you do. We've not had one discussion on this forum that I can recall in all the time we've both been here.

3. It was never about convincing you or somehow "impressing" you. You don't factor into it at all and quite frankly, your uneducated opinion is as worthless as YOU are. I had nothing to gain at all by bringing this up on a private area of the board you can't see, much less agreeing to post it in the blog section or agreeing to let it be put on the front page of the damn website where everyone and his/her mother could comment on it.

4. So, f*ck you... f*ck the horse you rode in on... and f*ck your momma for making you in the first place. No wait... Let's not f*ck her, because the last thing we need to risk are more arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, dumbass ingrates such as yourself being born into this world.

That said, go to hell, get on your knees, and fellate the devil like the little snot-nosed cocksucker that you are.

1. Just like how you "made up your mind" that HBCUs are bad?  ::) And I dont know what Im talking about? yeah sure.
2. And how does any discussion we didn't have has any point whatsoever? I'll admit that we don't have as many posters but I'm sure that HEF have a few that don't know you nor had a discussion with you before.
3. Convincing me? I was simply disagreeing with your opinion of HBCUs it was pretty simple. So basically this thread was ploy to whine like a big baby and pout like one because someone disagreed with you? As many threads that pop out in the entire internet their will always be a person that may disagree. Shouldn't you know this as a "Mod"?  
4. No and I appreciate the gesture but I have to decline I don't swing that way ... Never had to need to ride one... So now we are back in middle school with insults of my mother. *sighes* If I have done the same thing regarding your mother, sister, wife or any important woman in your life you would have blew a gasket. But shockingly you already did and I didn't really go that far.

Good Job
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So, you don't believe him because ... you don't believe him. That is your prerogative but surely you recognize that the logic is less than compelling. I'll accept the eyewitness account provisionally.

I have heard so many stories like that, it seems completely plausible to me. My wife is a FAMU alumna and also worked for Fashion Fair Cosmetics for a number of years. Let's just say that we have spent a lot of time over the years wondering what the hell is wrong with black organizations. That's not to say that it was all negative or even mostly negative but the notion of professionalism is largely theoretical far too often.

The other thing that dismays me is the eagerness to defend this shoddiness instead of demanding excellence. "You know, they doing the best they can." No. They're not.

*sighes* So I guess it must be true then since it is a HBCU with the few "stories"  :o Amazing just amazing. Thank you curtis for clearing that up for me. So in sum "alot of people are saying something similar so it must be true"

Once again blindly bashing all 105 schools as if they aren't up to snuff is stupid but then we would pretend that the larger institutions are doing any better. I've said a very simple premise from the beginning: Stop complaining and do something about it.

Defending shoddiness? Are you serious? So you are doing exactly the same thing with a blanket statement. So you must have it all figured out with "black organizations" sh*t don't all organizations have some problems in one way or another?

Demanding excellence by sitting on your ass and post in threads in why HBCUs are bad with "stories"? I am demanding excellence by placing money into the school and doing something about it to make sure it reach new heights. Did you even bother to read my post about Morgan MILE or the Warrior Institute or did you just ran to defend his point since your wife had attended FAMU as well and worked with black institutions while telling you "stories"


Just to be clear, I never slammed ALL HBCUs.  Or ANY.

So you do it by not naming the school. Well that is pretty clever of you. and by questioning me "giving back" while saying "Lion's HBCU experience isn't unusual, even amongst the "Ivy League" HBCUs" but then say my experience was "unique"
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And you're not bashing?
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on October 28, 2009, 09:24:38 pm
So, you don't believe him because ... you don't believe him. That is your prerogative but surely you recognize that the logic is less than compelling. I'll accept the eyewitness account provisionally.

I have heard so many stories like that, it seems completely plausible to me. My wife is a FAMU alumna and also worked for Fashion Fair Cosmetics for a number of years. Let's just say that we have spent a lot of time over the years wondering what the hell is wrong with black organizations. That's not to say that it was all negative or even mostly negative but the notion of professionalism is largely theoretical far too often.

The other thing that dismays me is the eagerness to defend this shoddiness instead of demanding excellence. "You know, they doing the best they can." No. They're not.
*sighes* So I guess it must be true then since it is a HBCU with the few "stories"  :o Amazing just amazing. Thank you curtis for clearing that up for me. So in sum "alot of people are saying something similar so it must be true"
Well, widespread similar reports make it plausible.

Once again blindly bashing all 105 schools as if they aren't up to snuff is stupid but then we would pretend that the larger institutions are doing any better. I've said a very simple premise from the beginning: Stop complaining and do something about it.
It's not about larger, it's about getting better. Usually the first step is a sober assessment.

Defending shoddiness? Are you serious? So you are doing exactly the same thing with a blanket statement. So you must have it all figured out with "black organizations" sh*t don't all organizations have some problems in one way or another?

Demanding excellence by sitting on your ass and post in threads in why HBCUs are bad with "stories"? I am demanding excellence by placing money into the school and doing something about it to make sure it reach new heights. Did you even bother to read my post about Morgan MILE or the Warrior Institute or did you just ran to defend his point since your wife had attended FAMU as well and worked with black institutions while telling you "stories"
My point was simply that Lion's story seems entirely plausible to me based on my particular life experience. You decided differently and branded him a liar. I'm not really sure what the rest of your post above is about.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: bluezulu on October 28, 2009, 09:39:05 pm
Early this fall in one of my classes an administrator for an area HBCU told the class that parents were flooding the schools with calls because they had over sold the dorms and kids had no place to stay. They did not have enough meal cards for the kids and would not take cash. No my personal experiences don't make it so. There are tons of stories that point to the strengths of HBCUs. But that was not necessarily the focus of this thread. Lion gave his point of view, others gave similar views. I understand giving dissenting opinions but to call folks out over their personal accounts is not fair. sh*t I remember the convo in school, why go to a HBCU when we were sandwiched between two in the state. Anybody remember weekend road trips. ;)
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 28, 2009, 10:13:59 pm
Well, widespread similar reports make it plausible.
which isn't any more different of "similar reports" with something completely opposite of his experiences. So go on and blindly agree like the rest based on "stories". One more time: which it isn't any more plausible than coke tasting better than pepsi or vice versa.

It's not about larger, it's about getting better. Usually the first step is a sober assessment.
And how do you figure they are not doing better based on what "stories" again? There are how many schools again?
My point was simply that Lion's story seems entirely plausible to me based on my particular life experience. You decided differently and branded him a liar. I'm not really sure what the rest of your post above is about.
That is entirely incorrect. I've never branded the him a liar. I just don't believe that the "school lied to him to attend". Ive said that more than once.

You claim that I'm defending shoddiness and you claim that I'm not demanding excellence and I've posted what I've been doing my part to make things better and it isn't clear to you? Fine I'll leave it alone since this entire thread was a joke from the start and I simply disagreed then the "mods" want to jump in and tag team.


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I understand giving dissenting opinions but to call folks out over their personal accounts is not fair
Honestly I would have kept my mouth shut but once he stated he broke the rules of the scholarship that what got me to post.

One of you "mods" mind as well close this thread anyway because the opinions are so one sided why even bother any longer.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 28, 2009, 10:54:42 pm
Early this fall in one of my classes an administrator for an area HBCU told the class that parents were flooding the schools with calls because they had over sold the dorms and kids had no place to stay. They did not have enough meal cards for the kids and would not take cash.

Wow. You just described half the colleges in the country, every freaking fall. And not just those dirty nigger schools, either!

One of you "mods" mind as well close this thread anyway because the opinions are so one sided why even bother any longer.

Seconded. From what I see so far, only three four of us went to HBCUs in the first place. Your experiences with your WEEK at an HBCU or while you visit your spouse's alma mater for Homecoming or whatever your sisterbabydaddymamacousin has virtually no merit.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: bluezulu on October 28, 2009, 11:19:22 pm
dirty nigger schools
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Sigh....Touche, I guess. Maybe pompous and elitist on my part and believe me, you and Lion are two of the smartest posters on the board and yall are products of HBCUs. I should have considered what my "limited personal" experience with HBCUs would come across from some one who received their degree from a HBCU. sh*t, come to think of it I should not expect any thing else. However, reading Lion's post b/s is b/s and no one should go through that sh*t. My mom always said an even swap is not a swindle. I do_____for you and you do____ for me...agreed? Agreed. That is what I took from his experience. My friend who played football at Jacksonville State said it was common for football and other scholarships to be rescinded because of poor performance. I did not know that.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 29, 2009, 05:34:49 am
I tried to post in this thread much earlier, but connection in the airport was weak.

Anyway, most people find college to be a great experience.  And many people find the unique qualities of a black college a perfect fit for them. 

And criticizing a black college, or even some consistently negative aspects of the black college experience, does not mean that white schools don't have those problems too, or that white schools are inherently better.

But black folks are very protective of their institutions, for good reasons.  But that can get in the way of fixing them.  And they need fixing.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Vic Vega on October 29, 2009, 07:00:28 am
Of all the participants on this thread only four posters actually went to a HBCU. Out of those three, one really hated it and three didn’t.

Did anybody else on this board actually go to an HBCU? If so, how did you find the experience? 
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: JLI Jesse on October 29, 2009, 08:21:07 am
And criticizing a black college, or even some consistently negative aspects of the black college experience, does not mean that white schools don't have those problems too, or that white schools are inherently better.

Reg,

I find this whole thread interesting because this isn't an issue I was ever aware about before this topic was started.  In the eyes of the board, do most non-HBCU = A White School?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 29, 2009, 10:38:30 am
In the eyes of the board, do most non-HBCU = A White School?

Thanks!

Most non-HBCUs *are* white schools. The proper term is Predominately White Institutions, which is...well, damn near all of them.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: bluezulu on October 29, 2009, 02:25:18 pm
At my school african-americans made up maybe 8% of the enrollment, however we were 80% of the on-campus housing population. I was disappointed that we never used this to our advantage. An on-campus student is the equivalent of what maybe 2.5 off campus students.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 29, 2009, 04:12:13 pm
I find this whole thread interesting because this isn't an issue I was ever aware about before this topic was started.  In the eyes of the board, do most non-HBCU = A White School?

Thanks!
yes but I'm shocked that you haven't heard of the issue especially since you are in maryland where there are 4 HBCUs in the state and that still doesnt include DC and VA. If you read the Baltimore Sun, it has a tendency to do that. Dayum near the bulk of them is in the MD/DC/VA region.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 29, 2009, 04:36:40 pm

One of you "mods" mind as well close this thread anyway because the opinions are so one sided why even bother any longer.

Seconded. From what I see so far, only three four of us went to HBCUs in the first place. Your experiences with your WEEK at an HBCU or while you visit your spouse's alma mater for Homecoming or whatever your sisterbabydaddymamacousin has virtually no merit.

But I went for a WHOLE WEEEEEEEEK!

I find this whole thread interesting because this isn't an issue I was ever aware about before this topic was started.  In the eyes of the board, do most non-HBCU = A White School?

Thanks!
yes but I'm shocked that you haven't heard of the issue especially since you are in maryland where there are 4 HBCUs in the state and that still doesnt include DC and VA. If you read the Baltimore Sun, it has a tendency to do that. Dayum near the bulk of them is in the MD/DC/VA region.

JLI, have you ever even heard of the schools?
Outside the "Black community", most folks haven't.
Outside America, even less folks have.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 29, 2009, 04:55:48 pm
To broaden the topic a bit; I have a question.

For all of the HBCU alumni here; what is the reaction from others when you tell them you graduated from an HBCU?
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 29, 2009, 06:12:48 pm
1) My friend told me...black schools suck!
2) I went to an HBCU this one time, and...black schools suck!
3) How are you going to be prepared for...black schools suck!
4) Black people are so...black schools suck!
5) You went to (random HBCU)? OMG, I went to (a completely unrelated HBCU)!!!!

The cool thing is that an HBCU alum ALWAYS can tell when another black person went to an HBCU. No one in the classroom have swagga like us!

yes but I'm shocked that you haven't heard of the issue especially since you are in maryland where there are 4 HBCUs in the state and that still doesnt include DC and VA. If you read the Baltimore Sun, it has a tendency to do that. Dayum near the bulk of them is in the MD/DC/VA region.

I think it was Real World where this black guy went to an HBCU, and this white chick from ATL had never heard of black college. Do you know how hard you have to work at willful ignorance and self-segregation in order to have never heard of HBCUs in ATLANTA?
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 29, 2009, 07:25:06 pm
The cool thing is that an HBCU alum ALWAYS can tell when another black person went to an HBCU. No one in the classroom have swagga like us!

So umm....what's the advantage in this?

I think it was Real World where this black guy went to an HBCU, and this white chick from ATL had never heard of black college. Do you know how hard you have to work at willful ignorance and self-segregation in order to have never heard of HBCUs in ATLANTA?

Dayum!
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 29, 2009, 07:50:12 pm
So umm....what's the advantage in this?

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand my answer.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on October 29, 2009, 08:14:24 pm
So umm....what's the advantage in this?

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand my answer.

SCHOOL DAZE 2009.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: JLI Jesse on October 30, 2009, 07:23:23 am
yes but I'm shocked that you haven't heard of the issue especially since you are in maryland where there are 4 HBCUs in the state and that still doesnt include DC and VA. If you read the Baltimore Sun, it has a tendency to do that. Dayum near the bulk of them is in the MD/DC/VA region.

I'm in Northern VA, but my heart and mind are still in Connecticut.  I know of HBCUs and Howard in particular.  But whenever I hear about a HBCU and think of something out of a Different World.  Pretty much the same type of school I went to, only with a mostly black student body.  I know that's not exactly in depth research, but it was never really something I took the time to look into.  I didn't know that there seem to be a couple camps, some against how they are run and others who think it is no different than most all schools.  

JLI, have you ever even heard of the schools?
Outside the "Black community", most folks haven't.
Outside America, even less folks have.

I've heard of a few like Howard, UDC, and Spelman, though not Florida A&M University.  But when I look at the list, most seem to have pretty obscure names.  I've never heard of colleges like Prairie View A&M University, Rust College, Hampton University, Fort Valley State University, etc, though I am sure they are fine colleges and universities.  Just not on my radar. 
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Catch22 on October 30, 2009, 10:07:42 am
Most HBCU alums have a swagger because it's drilled into us from enrollment to graduation, at least at the ASU COBA, that we have to be twice as good as anyone else to get ahead in the real world.  We're underdogs with a chip on our shoulder because folks don't think our college is...and therefore we're not, "good enough" to be in the same fields with people from bigger institutions and we constantly have to prove them wrong.

I think it was Real World where this black guy went to an HBCU, and this white chick from ATL had never heard of black college. Do you know how hard you have to work at willful ignorance and self-segregation in order to have never heard of HBCUs in ATLANTA?

I think this is more denial than anything else, I work with folks right now that will look at you quizzically if you mention Clark or Morris Brown...Morehouse is the only one they seemingly recognize.  I'm used to that, though.  ASU gets virtually no love, we're the forgotten HBCU!  ;)

yes but I'm shocked that you haven't heard of the issue especially since you are in maryland where there are 4 HBCUs in the state and that still doesnt include DC and VA. If you read the Baltimore Sun, it has a tendency to do that. Dayum near the bulk of them is in the MD/DC/VA region.

I'm in Northern VA, but my heart and mind are still in Connecticut.  I know of HBCUs and Howard in particular.  But whenever I hear about a HBCU and think of something out of a Different World.  Pretty much the same type of school I went to, only with a mostly black student body.  I know that's not exactly in depth research, but it was never really something I took the time to look into.  I didn't know that there seem to be a couple camps, some against how they are run and others who think it is no different than most all schools. 

JLI, have you ever even heard of the schools?
Outside the "Black community", most folks haven't.
Outside America, even less folks have.

I've heard of a few like Howard, UDC, and Spelman, though not Florida A&M University.  But when I look at the list, most seem to have pretty obscure names.  I've never heard of colleges like Prairie View A&M University, Rust College, Hampton University, Fort Valley State University, etc, though I am sure they are fine colleges and universities.  Just not on my radar. 

Howard and Morehouse are the schools in the consciousness of most people.  I'll bet if you ask most people to name an HBCU they'll say one or the other with Tuskegee thrown in there every now and then.  But...we all know it's all about the SWAC, baby! ;D
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 30, 2009, 04:55:13 pm
SCHOOL DAZE 2009.

F*ckin' A.  ;D

But...we all know it's all about the SWAC, baby! ;D

OH GOD IT'S A SWACKO!!!!
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Catch22 on October 30, 2009, 05:52:47 pm

But...we all know it's all about the SWAC, baby! ;D


OH GOD IT'S A SWACKO!!!!


You know it!!  To paraphrase G Phi G...

SWAC, Bay-bee...that's what you wanna be!

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/catch22_m/gphi.jpg)
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Magic Wand on October 30, 2009, 06:09:03 pm
Most HBCU alums have a swagger because it's drilled into us from enrollment to graduation, at least at the ASU COBA, that we have to be twice as good as anyone else to get ahead in the real world.  We're underdogs with a chip on our shoulder because folks don't think our college is...and therefore we're not, "good enough" to be in the same fields with people from bigger institutions and we constantly have to prove them wrong.

And herein lies the real reason that Lion evoked the wrath of his HBCU graduate comrades!
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Jenn on October 30, 2009, 06:58:33 pm
No...I think that would be because he showed his ass and degraded a poster's mother.

SWAC, Bay-bee...that's what you wanna be!

I'd snap on you, but MEACfans.com is suspended - probably for lack of payment - so I'll be over here seething quietly. Although it is NOT beneath me to make jokes if your school has lost to Prairie View in any sport at any time.

*edit* Oh, and your bands. Y'all got some sorry-ass bands. If it wasn't for Southern, they would've dismantled all the SWAC marching bands ages ago.
Title: Re: Lion's experience at Florida A&M University
Post by: Catch22 on October 30, 2009, 07:24:37 pm
No...I think that would be because he showed his ass and degraded a poster's mother.

SWAC, Bay-bee...that's what you wanna be!

I'd snap on you, but MEACfans.com is suspended - probably for lack of payment - so I'll be over here seething quietly. Although it is NOT beneath me to make jokes if your school has lost to Prairie View in any sport at any time.

*edit* Oh, and your bands. Y'all got some sorry-ass bands. If it wasn't for Southern, they would've dismantled all the SWAC marching bands ages ago.

Um...well...DAMN!  I thought you weren't snapping! LOL  After the loss to Prairie View...I don't have the words.   :'(