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Title: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 10:59:05 am
I knew the book was on "hiatus" during Doomwar and like we all I was hoping it would regenerate interest in the book. So in my mail today was a copy of Dare Devil and a note from Marvel saying BP 12 would be the last issue of the series and the remaining issues would be transferred to DD. So that's it I guess, a wrap???!!! ???
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on February 27, 2010, 11:15:55 am
I don't think it meant that it's the last issue period but that it's the last issue until DW then once DW is done then BP will go back up again .
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on February 27, 2010, 11:17:22 am
Could mean that BP and Storm are being incorporated into another book!?!

Still would suck.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 11:23:24 am
I don't think it meant that it's the last issue period but that it's the last issue until DW then once DW is done then BP will go back up again .
verbatim :

"Hey Black Panther Fans!

Issue #12 was the last issue of the series!

As a courtesy,we've transferred any remaining issues to Daredevil, your subscription will be extended by the issues you had remaining in your Black Panther subscription.

If you prefer to transfer your subscription to a different title, please complete the form on the back of this letter and mail/fax it in. Of course, we will refund the pro-rated amount of your subscription if you decide to say goodbye.

We look forward to receiving your request. "

Does that sound like it's returning to you? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Greg on February 27, 2010, 11:42:18 am
WHAT WHAT WHAAAAAAT?!!!!!! PLEASE DON'T LET THIS BE!!!  :( :'( :( :'( :-[
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 12:02:37 pm
It could explain why we have heard nothing from JM since DW hit the stands. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on February 27, 2010, 12:07:13 pm
It could explain why we have heard nothing from JM since DW hit the stands. 

I was thinking maybe JM just got too busy or was  ill or something and was thus unable to log on. I hope he is doing well. I really hope we learn what's going to happen with Ororo and T'challa soon.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Marvell2100 on February 27, 2010, 12:29:51 pm
<thud!> (me hitting the floor).
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on February 27, 2010, 12:31:37 pm
Hmmm well that su.......................SUCKS *cries*.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 01:50:58 pm
On the other hand, maybe they are planning for yet another reboot of the title.

(However, maybe this means BP and Storm are those 2 shadows from the Secret Avengers.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 01:59:04 pm
I have had as shi#ty a day as I can remember. The silence is deafening and leads me to believe there are no plans...maybe something in the future we can get a mini-series.  :(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Greg on February 27, 2010, 02:01:11 pm
Why hasn't anyone posted to deny or confirm!? I've seen Hudlin on! Don't leave me hanging like this. I have a entry to finish and it sucks worrying bout this!  :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 02:04:51 pm
Like I said on the other thread, silence is probably a good thing.  If there is something planned, they can't say anything till the offical Marvel annoucement. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: bluezulu on February 27, 2010, 03:17:54 pm
Hmm. Just wait till an official announcement.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on February 27, 2010, 03:21:18 pm
Hmm. Just wait till an official announcement.

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 03:32:08 pm
Hmm. Just wait till an official announcement.

Beat me to it.

I have a letter saying there is no more book and in what form do I want my money back,cash or transfer, what can be more official than that?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on February 27, 2010, 03:34:53 pm
I don't think its cancelled.

I've asked on Millarworld and they have a few Marvel employees who constantly lurk.

No news.

While it would've made sense to switch all subscriptions to DOOMWAR automatically instead of DAREDEVIL, I don't take it as a bad sign.

They might want alll of the focus on a singular BP title.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 03:44:29 pm
I don't think its cancelled.

I've asked on Millarworld and they have a few Marvel employees who constantly lurk.

No news.

While it would've made sense to switch all subscriptions to DOOMWAR automatically instead of DAREDEVIL, I don't take it as a bad sign.

They might want alll of the focus on a singular BP title.


That doesn't make any sense. When in the history of earth has a book every canceled all it's orders and kept publishing? Even during the relaunches they didn't do that. There is "news" I'm holding the news. Denial is the first stage guys...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Greg on February 27, 2010, 03:46:51 pm
Somebody please hold me!  :'(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 03:47:56 pm
There really isn't always an offical cancelation, anyway.  Many times it is just someone passing along the news on a board.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 03:52:45 pm
If it is truly canceled and not just being relaunched, or something else, I wonder if this will change the end of Doomwar.  JM had plans beyond DW and he may have planned to start them in DW.  But now he wouldn't want a "to be cont" storyline.  Or I wonder if the powers above want certain things in the ending to lead into other people's plans.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 03:58:16 pm
If it is truly canceled and not just being relaunched, or something else, I wonder if this will change the end of Doomwar.  JM had plans beyond DW and he may have planned to start them in DW.  But now he wouldn't want a "to be cont" storyline.  Or I wonder if the powers above want certain things in the ending to lead into other people's plans.


I think it is pretty reasonable to assume that JM might be doing some re-writing...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 04:02:32 pm
The funny thing is that I have 11 issues left because I just renewed a couple months ago...maybe I'll pick up Thunderbolts or add on to Spider Woman... :(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Open palm on February 27, 2010, 04:50:30 pm
Black Panther is the last title I've been collecting monthly. Marvel better clarify this.  :(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on February 27, 2010, 05:53:06 pm
I don't think its cancelled.

I've asked on Millarworld and they have a few Marvel employees who constantly lurk.

No news.

While it would've made sense to switch all subscriptions to DOOMWAR automatically instead of DAREDEVIL, I don't take it as a bad sign.

They might want alll of the focus on a singular BP title.


That doesn't make any sense. When in the history of earth has a book every canceled all it's orders and kept publishing? Even during the relaunches they didn't do that. There is "news" I'm holding the news. Denial is the first stage guys...


If they are using the series to fit within the X universe or some other segment of the 616, it may make sense to break the mold completely.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Naki on February 27, 2010, 06:32:24 pm
Black Panther is no longer listed as a Marvel title on their subscription page. Me thinks, the Lady Princesa is absolutely correct and BP has gone the way of so many before.  :'( And the fact Maberry is suddenly absent from the forum is more than a little suspicious, especially since Doomwar 1 just came out and we all know how he loves to . . . Well, you fill in the rest.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on February 27, 2010, 06:49:16 pm
No concession from me until a member of Marvel confirms it!

 8)

* Turns up Isaac Hayes LOOK OF LOVE " Don't gooooooo..."*
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 06:57:27 pm
Technically a member of Marvel did--some one from Marvel sent the letter say BP was cancelled.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on February 27, 2010, 07:18:56 pm
So they couldn't wait to see how DW does first? Marvel is one dumbass company if that's the case. And also it is strange that Maberry hasn't been posting in awhile esp. after DW just came out.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 27, 2010, 07:24:09 pm
Well it is nothing new; DC cancelled Peter David's Supergirl just when its sales went through the roof.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on February 27, 2010, 08:53:37 pm
Would not put it past them to do yet another relauch under a different title-effectively turing the title into a team book(there are three leads anyway).

Or it could really be cancelled.

 Marvel's marketing decisions don't always make sense-look at Agents of Atlas.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on February 27, 2010, 09:45:28 pm
If this is actually true, allow me to be the first to say, on behalf of REAL Storm fans...

AHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 27, 2010, 09:56:10 pm
Would not put it past them to do yet another relauch under a different title-effectively turing the title into a team book(there are three leads anyway).

Or it could really be cancelled.

 Marvel's marketing decisions don't always make sense-look at Agents of Atlas.

I could see that happening--I can also see it being gone and that's a wrap. If they did re-imagine it they need to learn from the past and rev up appeal by making it part of the X Verse.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on February 27, 2010, 10:40:25 pm
If this is actually true, allow me to be the first to say, on behalf of REAL Storm fans...

AHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!



Just when I was wondering what happened to Jenn.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on February 27, 2010, 10:53:42 pm
I doubt it..
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on February 27, 2010, 11:02:01 pm
Just when I was wondering what happened to Jenn.

My resolution for Lent was to not rag on Maberry for 40 days, but God is going to have to forgive me for this one. To quote the late, great Johnny Mercer:

Hooray and hallelujah
You had it coming to ya
Goody goody for him
Goody goody for me
Your love has been denied
You've been taken for a ride
And I hope you're satisfied
You rascal, you!


I have no qualms to admitting that I feel intellectually superior to anybody who likes this title, that any man who reads this book probably pees sitting down, and anybody who supported this title with his or her dollars should be shot. Granted, this is probably another publicity stunt and BP will come back more bitch made than ever with an even more vapid cunt of a wife, but for now? For now, I gloat.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on February 27, 2010, 11:46:58 pm
Damn! The C Word!

You really are rejoicing.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on February 28, 2010, 12:52:52 am
Just when I was wondering what happened to Jenn.

My resolution for Lent was to not rag on Maberry for 40 days, but God is going to have to forgive me for this one. To quote the late, great Johnny Mercer:

Hooray and hallelujah
You had it coming to ya
Goody goody for him
Goody goody for me
Your love has been denied
You've been taken for a ride
And I hope you're satisfied
You rascal, you!


I have no qualms to admitting that I feel intellectually superior to anybody who likes this title, that any man who reads this book probably pees sitting down, and anybody who supported this title with his or her dollars should be shot. Granted, this is probably another publicity stunt and BP will come back more bitch made than ever with an even more vapid cunt of a wife, but for now? For now, I gloat.

Alright folks, keep walking, nothing to see here... ::)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Open palm on February 28, 2010, 01:03:02 am
Does this mean T'Challa will become Black Panther again at the end of Doom War?

Of course it wouldn't be Storm.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on February 28, 2010, 01:12:38 am
Keeping Shuri as Black Panther while continuing the adventures of T'Challa and Storm could really work for an ensemble book; Maberry has said that he likes using multiple characters and this would be a really quick and easy way to have several plots threads weaving throughout the book. 

Besides, after reading DoomWar I it seems that T'Challa is still the king while Shuri is the chieftain of the Panther cult, similar to when Killmonger became BP.  As king, T'Challa has every right to do what he wants and we can just follow him out of the habit.  I just keep thinking about how Mac Gargan has been Venom for what, like 5 years, and that's working out pretty well; I'd like to see some backbone when it comes to keeping Shuri as the Black Panther.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Open palm on February 28, 2010, 01:45:37 am
Keeping Shuri as Black Panther while continuing the adventures of T'Challa and Storm could really work for an ensemble book; Maberry has said that he likes using multiple characters and this would be a really quick and easy way to have several plots threads weaving throughout the book. 

Besides, after reading DoomWar I it seems that T'Challa is still the king while Shuri is the chieftain of the Panther cult, similar to when Killmonger became BP.  As king, T'Challa has every right to do what he wants and we can just follow him out of the habit.  I just keep thinking about how Mac Gargan has been Venom for what, like 5 years, and that's working out pretty well; I'd like to see some backbone when it comes to keeping Shuri as the Black Panther.

I would like to see Shuri explored more as Black Panther. So many of T'Challa's family gets killed off or written offf. So it's good to see someone more permanent. But it could go either way. Bucky Barnes remains as Captain America but eventually the Big Wigs restore the characters to their original status.
(I don't care much for Venom. Peter Parker used to do the Black Cat in that thing. It had his smeg! Gross!)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 28, 2010, 07:01:54 am
Real talk, Shuri hemorrhaged four years worth of sales in four months, she sank the franchise. So, no,  she won't be Black Panther. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if in re-writing she doesn't make it out this series. I have a hard time on reflection seeing another book coming out of this, if that was so you'd transfer the subscriptions. Also, there would have been an announcement. They don't always announce cancellations but they do launches.

They should have made Storm the Black Panther for a year. They should have tied it to the X verse. Like Bruce Wayne and Steve Rogers you bring T'Challa back from his injuries after a time. Or had T'Challa missing after the attack and Storm search for him . You don't backburner your most popular character.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 28, 2010, 07:10:57 am
I remember when Manhunter went down Marc Andreyko was constantly on the Bendis boards giving updates. He say the book is coming out this weel encourage your friends to buy it, give it a try. That I'm fighting for it. That it is suspended not canceled so write-in. That it was over. That it was coming back so please support it. That it was over again and Kate would be appearing elsewhere at least.

 And he thanked the loyal readers...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 28, 2010, 07:19:51 am
If BP is being relaunched, it could be a while before they make the annoucement  In fact it might be 2 months before they annouce it.  When news came out about new Avengers' titles, the annoucement was made shortly before the May (?)solitcations were released. (May (I think) is when those new books are first released.).

If BP was to get a new title after Doomwar, they may not make the annoucement until they're ready to release July's (or later) solitations.  And if a new creative team is given the book, it might even be later.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on February 28, 2010, 09:57:50 am
If storm and T'Challa are going to actually be in Secret Avengers that might trump any further plans for the characters as Bru is one of marvel's favorites.

Or they could be waiting for the cartoon to drop.
    
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on February 28, 2010, 11:04:20 am
Alright folks, keep walking, nothing to see here... ::)

Well said!  That level of hate says more about the source than anything else.

Perhaps, Marvel is positioning T'Challa and Ororo in a team book much like its other prominent couples; Reed & Sue, Luke and Jessica, Black Bolt & Medusa?  This is dissappointing nonetheless.  It seems to validate the belief that no matter how intelligently written, how easy to read, how many X-Men or other popular characters are included or what concessions are made, the market will not long support an afro-centric title and no company will carry one.  Whatever your preference, I see no reason for celebration.

Peace,

Mont   
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on February 28, 2010, 11:08:04 am
I decided that until an official announcement is made I'm going to still assume that the book will be returning after Doomwar.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 28, 2010, 11:09:16 am
If storm and T'Challa are going to actually be in Secret Avengers that might trump any further plans for the characters as bru is one of marvel's favorites.

Or they could be waiting for the cartoon to drop.
o     


Two of the figures revealed could possibly be them. Possibly.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 28, 2010, 11:14:22 am
Alright folks, keep walking, nothing to see here... ::)

Well said!  That level of hate says more about the source than anything else.

Perhaps, Marvel is positioning T'Challa and Ororo in a team book much like its other prominent couples; Reed & Sue, Luke and Jessica, Black Bolt & Medusa?  This is dissappointing nonetheless.  It seems to validate the belief that no matter how intelligently written, how easy to read, how many X-Men or other popular characters are included or what concessions are made, the market will not long support an afro-centric title and no company will carry one.  Whatever your preference, I see no reason for celebration.

Peace,

Mont   


It wasn't the market in my honest opinion, it was the at best uneven execution. I bought every issue from day one and I was often very dis-satisfied. A lot of us here saw this coming and lobby for constructive changes.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on February 28, 2010, 11:41:31 am
It wasn't the market in my honest opinion, it was the at best uneven execution. I bought every issue from day one and I was often very dis-satisfied. A lot of us here saw this coming and lobby for constructive changes.

I don't disagree with the above but I'm referring back to the Preist run forward.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on February 28, 2010, 12:46:08 pm
Another sign it is true-Reggie hasn't responded with any news he heard.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Wakandan561 on February 28, 2010, 01:19:07 pm
Even if The Black Panther book has been canceled, The Chracters will always live on in 616 in one form or another. I doubt that the book would get canceled though just for them to be apart of the Secret Avengers, but we do know that DoomWar is a Big Game Changer, the series could be getting rebooted altogether. Maberry did say "Don't think you know how Doomwar is going to end, because you don't".
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on February 28, 2010, 02:25:31 pm
Well said!  That level of hate says more about the source than anything else.

Awwwww! So much butthurt in your delusions. Too bad that - like most black people - you can't get mad at the white right people. So yeah, come bitch and whine to me for calling this MONTHS ago. Marvel screwed up - AGAIN - and rather than holding them accountable for this bullsh*t, you want to BAWWWWWWWWW about hate? Hate yourself for hitching your wagon to a loser.

And for the record - for all of you who have never sat in a writer's chair - it's possible that Maberry won't even make it out of Doomwar. Just because you turn in your ideas your storyline doesn't mean it's an automatic go. This comic is published monthly, just like many publications, and can be yanked or flipped accordingly. Marvel could bring in another writer as early as #3, if s/he was hungry enough and could work under that kind of pressure. I seriously doubt that would happen, however, because 1) God doesn't love me THAT much, and 2) nobody gives a sh*t about Doomwar, so why waste that kind of money and resources? Maybe they'll just cancel it outright.

In the meantime...sneakers, anybody?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 28, 2010, 03:19:07 pm
Even if The Black Panther book has been canceled, The Chracters will always live on in 616 in one form or another. I doubt that the book would get canceled though just for them to be apart of the Secret Avengers, but we do know that DoomWar is a Big Game Changer, the series could be getting rebooted altogether. Maberry did say "Don't think you know how Doomwar is going to end, because you don't".

I don't think the book was canceled for Secret Avengers even assuming if they were in it. And you're right the characters do live on...but the silence is deafening. I don't know if that is good or bad. Could there be a relaunch? It would have to be a change of game relaunch. I'd ask for Colossus and Nightcrawler to be in it. It to be very much X Verse centric...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on February 28, 2010, 03:43:01 pm
The silence isn't deafening. Just saying. Why not wait until we get word from Marvel.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on February 28, 2010, 04:36:09 pm
The silence isn't deafening. Just saying. Why not wait until we get word from Marvel.


I got word from Marvel in the form of a letter. I know it's canceled I don't know if there is something else. If there is nothing else there will be no further word.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: JRCarter on February 28, 2010, 04:39:32 pm
I know an assistant editor posts at the Comic Bloc forums regularly. I can ask him about it.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on February 28, 2010, 07:25:49 pm
Well said!  That level of hate says more about the source than anything else.

Awwwww! So much butthurt in your delusions. Too bad that - like most black people - you can't get mad at the white right people. So yeah, come bitch and whine to me for calling this MONTHS ago. Marvel screwed up - AGAIN - and rather than holding them accountable for this bullsh*t, you want to BAWWWWWWWWW about hate? Hate yourself for hitching your wagon to a loser.

"...anybody who supported this title with his or her dollars should be shot."

I'm not the one who's "mad," at anyone.  It's fiction, it's a comic book.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on February 28, 2010, 07:43:53 pm
I'm not the one who's "mad," at anyone.  It's fiction, it's a comic book.

It's a failure. Now, go deep throat a 12-gauge.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on February 28, 2010, 08:57:06 pm
I'm not the one who's "mad," at anyone.  It's fiction, it's a comic book.

It's a failure. Now, go deep throat a 12-gauge.

I've seen a number of your posts and am fully aware that you could and may go on ad nauseam wasting your talent quoting from the ABW (Angry Black Woman) handbook so, this will be my last word to you on this regardless of whatever virulent response you care to conjure... ditch the hate or... "Be Damned!"  :)

Peace,

Mont

       
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on February 28, 2010, 09:23:05 pm
this will be my last word to you

I can always hope. And contrary to your typical Punk Bitch Rhetoric, I'm extremely happy right now.

Title: BREAKING BP NEWS
Post by: Jenn on February 28, 2010, 09:30:11 pm
The Los Angeles Lakers recently received the cancellation letter during their last game:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/15x64p3.jpg)

Donovan McNabb is also a BP reader:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2l9od8k.jpg)

And President Barack Obama had this reaction:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/211ts05.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Open palm on February 28, 2010, 09:53:42 pm
I'm not the one who's "mad," at anyone.  It's fiction, it's a comic book.

It's a failure. Now, go deep throat a 12-gauge.

Jenn, that's just uncool.

You know that lots of folks have been going suicidal and trigger happy for the past several months.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on February 28, 2010, 10:18:13 pm
Alright. Mont, I'm sorry that your bitchassness prompted such a statement from me. Mea culpa.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on February 28, 2010, 11:46:03 pm
I decided that until an official announcement is made I'm going to still assume that the book will be returning after Doomwar.

Same stance I'm taking.

Wait until there's an official announcement, and if it is canceled we start protesting  >:(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 01, 2010, 04:44:34 am
What kind of offical annoucement are you guys wanting?  The letter she got is offical.  Newsarama and CBR are not going to waste an article delivering this news and Marvel isn't going to make any annoucement, especially during Doomwar, for fear it might impact sales. 

Realize there are 2 different things going on.  The book is cancelled and what's next are two different things.  If they are relaunching, there will be an annoucement but maybe not for a couple of months. If this is "the end", we may never see an offical word, especially depending on how DW ends; making an annoucement might spoil the ending..
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 01, 2010, 07:05:41 am
What kind of offical annoucement are you guys wanting?  The letter she got is offical.  Newsarama and CBR are not going to waste an article delivering this news and Marvel isn't going to make any annoucement, especially during Doomwar, for fear it might impact sales. 

Realize there are 2 different things going on.  The book is cancelled and what's next are two different things.  If they are relaunching, there will be an annoucement but maybe not for a couple of months. If this is "the end", we may never see an offical word, especially depending on how DW ends; making an annoucement might spoil the ending..

Thank you. The letter is official. The series is over. Period. It's canceled. And like you said the only question is if there is a 'next'? Maybe the DW sales/ending leads to that. Or not. I enjoyed the Eternals and that simply ended. There was no announcement.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 01, 2010, 07:15:14 am
Realize there are 2 different things going on.  The book is cancelled and what's next are two different things.

This.

They may drop the whole thing or they may relaunch it.

Doomwar will run until completion. Its got Wolverine, Doc Doom and Deadpool in it. Those characters have really big fanbases.

There won't be a relaunch (if at all) until the end of Doomwar.

Reg's Flags Of Our Fathers should be out in April.

By the time Doomwar finishes the HC Jungle Action Masterworks will be ready to drop.

There'll be plenty of B.P. related stuff to buy while Doomwar runs.

Then there's the cartoon.

This is a lot of stuff to put out for character that does not have a regular book.

This leads me to think there could be a relaunch.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 01, 2010, 07:23:35 am
Regarding the cartoon, I think we'll see it on DVDs before we see it on American tv.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: bluezulu on March 01, 2010, 09:51:52 am
Ok a lot of speculation, I understand that. The insults and argument I don't understand that. If this thread gets any worse I will lock it until an official anouncment is made.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Catch22 on March 01, 2010, 11:33:22 am
Personally, I think the letter puts an end to any speculation...but that's me.  The only way I see it coming back is if Doomwar is a MAJOR hit, then maybe there's a relaunch somewhere down the line.  As it stands, with Princesa's letter being what it is, I now have an extra 3 bux to experiment with on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 12:09:17 pm
Jokes aside (for a change), how many times can they relaunch one title? I can't see killing it just to relaunch it AGAIN. Hudlin was a relaunch, Maberry was a relaunch, and - let's be honest here - Doomwar is a relaunch. There's only so many times you can keep jumping Grandpa's heart before you let him go to glory. And seeing this has been announced before DW #2 (and Marvel has been giving solicts as far as DW #4, which is a BAD sign), DW #1 must not be doing very well. Remember, they gave a buttload of buzz to the EJD Storm mini, and we see what happened there.

What kind of offical annoucement are you guys wanting?  The letter she got is offical.  Newsarama and CBR are not going to waste an article delivering this news and Marvel isn't going to make any annoucement, especially during Doomwar, for fear it might impact sales. 

Okay, but why replace BP with Daredevil? At least replace it w/Doomwar! Wouldn't that be fair? AGAIN, Marvel is f*cking up!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Gooch on March 01, 2010, 01:05:30 pm
it was said a few months back that bp was going on hiatus until the end of doomwar.     if you dont see any solicits for a new Bp come June then  we can start speculating.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: JLI Jesse on March 01, 2010, 01:30:14 pm
Okay, but why replace BP with Daredevil? At least replace it w/Doomwar!

That would make the most sense. 

Does Marvel have some policy about shipping subscribers a mini?  Does doom war cost more than black panther?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 01, 2010, 01:33:03 pm
I thought she said she had more issues to go than there is in Doomwar.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 01, 2010, 01:37:58 pm
According to Marty Grosser over at Diamond Comics Distributors:
"I know it was quietly cancelled, no word on another comeback though..."
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 01, 2010, 01:38:14 pm
it was said a few months back that bp was going on hiatus until the end of doomwar.     if you dont see any solicits for a new Bp come June then  we can start speculating.

This is the letter I got from Marvel about my subscription:



"Hey Black Panther Fans!

Issue #12 was the last issue of the series!

As a courtesy,we've transferred any remaining issues to Daredevil, your subscription will be extended by the issues you had remaining in your Black Panther subscription.

If you prefer to transfer your subscription to a different title, please complete the form on the back of this letter and mail/fax it in. Of course, we will refund the pro-rated amount of your subscription if you decide to say goodbye.

We look forward to receiving your request. "


I've had books canceled before. My Exiles title was canceled and they gave me X Men Forever as a replacement. There was no announcement. Eternals I got from a store online and the store informed me Marvel was no longer taking orders. The book is no more but is there a 'next'?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 01, 2010, 01:40:33 pm
I thought she said she had more issues to go than there is in Doomwar.

I did, I had  11 BP issues left, I'd just renewed.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 01, 2010, 01:47:07 pm
I think Doomwar is selling well it's going for nine bucks a copy now at my online store.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 01:50:17 pm
According to Marty Grosser over at Diamond Comics Distributors:
"I know it was quietly cancelled, no word on another comeback though..."

Did he give a reason as to why? Because believe me, this was NOT Marvel's intention; otherwise, they wouldn't have bothered w/the Shuri relaunch in the first place. They hyped that crap up for what...a year? Plus the first six issue arc had Hudlin setting the whole damn thing up and handing it over to Maberry, who BURIED it in six issues flat. I don't think I've ever seen something killed that fast. If it was anybody BUT Maberry, I'd be rather sad about it.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Naki on March 01, 2010, 02:48:23 pm
I sent an e-mail over the weekend, based on Princesa's letter, that if BP was cancelled and replaced with Daredevil, I wanted to cancel my subscription and have the balance refunded to me. Guess what? I recieved a response back from Marvel today saying my refund was in the mail. That's it folks. The fat lady has sung, take a bow, and close the curtains.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: stanleyballard on March 01, 2010, 03:42:59 pm
Sorry to see the series go....did support it by buying an issue at the LCS and having a subscription & ranting here when things were not done correctly ....seemed like Mayberry came aboard a sinking ship....Doom War's sales might have a strong effect on any future BP relaunches.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 01, 2010, 03:49:14 pm
According to Marty Grosser over at Diamond Comics Distributors:
"I know it was quietly cancelled, no word on another comeback though..."

I wonder would there even be another come back... I'm not mad at Marvel, I'm unhappy with the execution but Marvel hung in there with this book... and I'm very sad right now. But my god you can't have a lead character the fanbase hates, books with lead females are already struggling (see Power Girl the next to go) much less one no one knows or cares about. And the Power arc was so damn long and drug out and boring.

I think the best we can  hope for is a mini  that could become a Fantastic Four-type book with T'Challa and Storm as Reed and Sue. It needs to be in the X Verse...this book needed to be in the X Verse... But understand this Storm is appearing (lackluster as it is) in some X books. Do they see any value in the Panther? The book failed but there is still a decent fanbase I think...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Battle on March 01, 2010, 03:52:00 pm
eh...like...so what?(http://i36.tinypic.com/5cimxj.jpg)

The cover price was bugging the hell outta me...  $3.99 for a &%#@!-ing comicbook was pushing it.
It was getting to be an expensive habit anyway. 

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: stanleyballard on March 01, 2010, 04:04:14 pm
Yeah...the execution of this series from the beginning was a little slow with the pacing...this story could have been told with more punch in the first 6 issues and then Doom War should have happend....the first issue was a little too slow....the reveal on who the female Panther was should have happend in the first issue and not dragged out so long.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 01, 2010, 04:54:15 pm
Well Marvel likes to think that all stories should be 6 issues long so they can be reformatted as trade paperback, even if it would make a better 3 parter.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 05:40:52 pm
Yeah...the execution of this series from the beginning was a little slow with the pacing...this story could have been told with more punch in the first 6 issues and then Doom War should have happend....the first issue was a little too slow....the reveal on who the female Panther was should have happend in the first issue and not dragged out so long.

Did *anything* of relevance happen b/t 7 and 12, other than Batgirl prancing around like the fake ass Panther that she is? B/c from what I can see, the first 12 issues could've been done in six, & Doomwar (what that's about) could've been 6-12. Let's be honest: nanites is what sunk BP once and for all. Seriously. Now it's an inside fanbratti joke.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Blanks on March 01, 2010, 05:44:13 pm
hmm. Well. This is some rather sad news. Sad indeed. If Panther doesn't show up in any Avenger book, then he'll probably be a shelf sitter like how he was when Priest's run was shelved. Just... damn. At least I got Doomwar and Reggies Flag of the Father' to get my Panther fix for... at least half of 2010.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 06:00:22 pm
The fate of the Royal couple more or less depends on whether or not Doomwar continues, and how. On a monthly pub like this one, any writer can come on and take over. Let's assume that #2 will go to press as is. Unless it's a matter of inks and whatnot (and this could possibly be the case), another writer can take over as soon as #3 (but most likely #4). At that point, don't be surprised if Maberry's entire story is scrapped, and it become the end of the RC marriage, which allows for the shift back to status quo. If we get another writer, 10 to 1 says that's exactly what will happen. The good news is that there's really no reason to end the marriage just yet. Shift the two over to the Secret Avengers and build the relationship there for a couple of years. This marriage is not dead in the water just yet; it's just been grossly mishandled and abused.

Maberry (who I'm going to stop kicking now, since it's like kicking a three-legged retarded puppy) could be allowed to finish DW to #6, but I just can't see it. There's no reason to. Word it out now - the book is done. Why would anybody even bother w/Doomwar now? I wouldn't be surprised if DW was just flat out put on ice, which would be a good thing for RC fans. Because what would happen next is probably a full blown reboot where Shuri just disappears, a la Red Lotus. That's what I'm hoping for. Rewind this book back to the end of Worlds Apart #4, where Storm has gone from Ororo, T'Challa's wife, to Queen Ororo of Wakanda. Then go from there. But I don't see them going to limbo just yet. In fact, as long as there is a marriage, I dare suggest that they're both safe from such a fate.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 01, 2010, 06:20:34 pm
When Doomwar launched the idea was to resume the series after, the only one to worry about if you're so inclined I see is Shuri. She is very expendable now. Obvious changes will be when this ends T'Challa will be the sole Black Panther and King of Wakanda again, Storm the Queen. You end with them looking towards re-building. From there you can go where you want. T'Challa is still a nice character, Wakanda a good local so you Namor him for now.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 01, 2010, 07:07:57 pm
Pure speculation here, but the marriage might be in real danger.  If the X-writer don't want T'challa around.  And if Jenn is right and Doomwar gets a new writer and a new ending, T could end up dead to free her for the X-writers.
(Or the X-writers might turn T into a mutant.  And it probably kills any chance of kids, at least mutant kids.)

Now if they are both on Secret Avengers; they're safer.  If only he is on the secret avengers; well he'll live thru DW but not good for the marriage.

Truth is anything is possible. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 07:54:04 pm
They won't kill T'Challa. No way. He's even older than Storm. And unlike her, he's had his own book for decades. On and off, yes, but Storm hasn't even carried 12 issues on her own. They'll kill her before they'll kill him, and they'll never kill her.

Since Marvel has already released the solicts to #4, we'll probably be stuck with have Maberry until the end of #4, at the very least.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 01, 2010, 08:58:19 pm
I'm really hoping the RC ends up in "New Avengers" and I hope "DoomWar" lasts for all 6 issues with Maberry writing. The drawback with BP #s 7-12 was the focus on Shuri. Its not fair to blame Maberry for that as the decision came from above. He's a good writer and "DoomWar" #1 was one of the best comics I have read in years. It was well-paced and it keeps your attention making you really care and wanting to know what comes next. Also, I think Storm is going to cut up. I'm hoping that this is something that comes to pass as it has been what has kept me on the title for a while. I hope this cancellation status of BP does not result in Storm's role and shining moments being reduced in the current "DoomWar" story.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 09:37:39 pm
He's a good writer

He gave you nanites. In fact, he gave you nanites in a universe chock full of telepaths. And he also gave you a royal lineage so f*cked up that even MARVEL ignored it.

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and "DoomWar" #1 was one of the best comics I have read in years.

Doesn't say much about your stack of reading material.

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It was well-paced and it keeps your attention making you really care and wanting to know what comes next.

...no.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 01, 2010, 10:04:20 pm
And can I point out that I predicted this back in December?

Of course Shuri won't get bumped off. You'll bury this title way before that.

I DID, however, predict he would last eight months post-DW, and it's only been...well, it hasn't been. So I'm not ALWAYS right. Just damn near.  ;D

(Look, you guys are just going to have to forgive me. I know you guys are suffering right now, and I'm sorry even if I think you deserve every dumb ass tear. I'm just so f*cking excited and grateful to God that this is happening. We're going to get the REAL T'Choro back!!!! And hey, we may even lose Shuri in the process. I can always dream, yes?)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: kitamu Re on March 01, 2010, 11:29:05 pm
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I DID, however, predict he would last eight months post-DW, and it's only been...well, it hasn't been. So I'm not ALWAYS right. Just damn near. 

(Look, you guys are just going to have to forgive me. I know you guys are suffering right now, and I'm sorry even if I think you deserve every dumb ass tear. I'm just so f*cking excited and grateful to God that this is happening. We're going to get the REAL T'Choro back!!!! And hey, we may even lose Shuri in the process. I can always dream, yes?)

I agree with jenn mabery is a hack and has not enhcanced the panther legacy one bit...good riddance id rather have the book cancelled then deal with another convoluted mabery issue of bp.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 02, 2010, 02:06:51 am
<< Jenn:They won't kill T'Challa. No way. He's even older than Storm. And unlike her, he's had his own book for decades.>>

They killed Captain America, Superman, and Batman.  All three had longer runs and are bigger names.  If they thought they could make money out of it and out of his return, they'd kill him.

(That's not to say I think they will kill him, just that anything is possible when a title ends.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 05:10:04 am
True, true. Have Storm a grieving widow and whatnot. Then about 20 years later, when she has a bunch of lil Wolvies run around, bring him back. BLECH!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 02, 2010, 06:35:28 am
Would not put it past them to do yet another relauch under a different title-effectively turing the title into a team book(there are three leads anyway).

Or it could really be cancelled.

 Marvel's marketing decisions don't always make sense-look at Agents of Atlas.

I could see that happening--I can also see it being gone and that's a wrap. If they did re-imagine it they need to learn from the past and rev up appeal by making it part of the X Verse.

Well, The Atlas team is returning in their own book in May as is Spider-Girl (for the THIRD TIME), so there's hope for BP and Storm down the road.
Title: Re: Black Panther Canceled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 02, 2010, 07:15:54 am
They are not killing off T'Challa and Storm is no danger. Shuri is a 50-50 bet. If there is any re-writing it will T'Challa will be the sole Black Panther out of this. And this book being canceled actually makes DW more intriguing so it will be completed. T'Challa has movie buzz and a cartoon  and is in the Avengers cartoon coming up I believe, he is not disappearing. He is an iconic character in comic history. He does have a solid fan base this books fate notwithstanding. Marvel hasn't tried to find a way to explore him for nothing. And Storm had been stagnant for decades and well in the shadows.

The fact that nobody HERE in the know is saying anything means there might be some plans, maybe not (another) relaunch but as part of another title.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Wakandan561 on March 02, 2010, 07:43:06 am

I DID, however, predict he would last eight months post-DW, and it's only been...well, it hasn't been. So I'm not ALWAYS right. Just damn near.  ;D

(Look, you guys are just going to have to forgive me. I know you guys are suffering right now, and I'm sorry even if I think you deserve every dumb ass tear. I'm just so f*cking excited and grateful to God that this is happening. We're going to get the REAL T'Choro back!!!! And hey, we may even lose Shuri in the process. I can always dream, yes?)
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If you think Maberrys run on The Black Panther ends with DoomWar, you have another thing coming, Think of the end of this BP book as the start of something VERY Beautiful ;D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 02, 2010, 07:47:54 am
Why in the blue hell did they not let Jason Aaron keep this book? From hearing him speak on his run he enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 02, 2010, 08:03:27 am

I DID, however, predict he would last eight months post-DW, and it's only been...well, it hasn't been. So I'm not ALWAYS right. Just damn near.  ;D

(Look, you guys are just going to have to forgive me. I know you guys are suffering right now, and I'm sorry even if I think you deserve every dumb ass tear. I'm just so f*cking excited and grateful to God that this is happening. We're going to get the REAL T'Choro back!!!! And hey, we may even lose Shuri in the process. I can always dream, yes?)

If you think Maberrys run on The Black Panther ends with DoomWar, you have another thing coming, Think of the end of this BP book as the start of something VERY Beautiful ;D
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What do you know my friend? Spill it (or pm me) :)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 02, 2010, 08:15:19 am
Why in the blue hell did they not let Jason Aaron keep this book? From hearing him speak on his run he enjoyed it.

They put him on Wolverine: Weapon-X.

He's considered a fan-favorite because of Scalped and gets to go on high profile books. There's a guaranteed captive audience for the character so most writers, if given a choice would rather write him.

Besides it probably pays more than B.P. too.   
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 02, 2010, 09:54:37 am
ain't this 'bout a b!tch.

i'll wait for the official word cuz ...dayam.
how is the book gonna be canceled before the tv show comes out?
ya know?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 09:55:43 am
What do you know my friend? Spill it (or pm me) :)

He doesn't know sh*t. He's just another pathetic fantard with his tongue so far up Maberry's asshole that he can't - or won't - see the writing on the wall. All the signs have been there for MONTHS. When you're soliciting #4 and #1 just dropped, your title is f*ckED!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 02, 2010, 10:08:58 am
What do you know my friend? Spill it (or pm me) :)

He doesn't know sh*t. He's just another pathetic fantard with his tongue so far up Maberry's asshole that he can't - or won't - see the writing on the wall. All the signs have been there for MONTHS. When you're soliciting #4 and #1 just dropped, your title is f*ckED!

Well damn don't pounce lol.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 10:18:46 am
This is not the time for Wakandan's typical bobbing-for-balls comments. Either say what you know (which is obviously nothing) or pipe the hell down.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 02, 2010, 10:19:34 am
Mastrmynd <<how is the book gonna be canceled before the tv show comes out?>>

Bc the TV show is never going to come out.  Besides, movies/cartoons aren't made to produce interests in comics, but comics are there to give material for toys, movies and so on.  A BP comic isn't needed to sell BP as a cartoon or movie or even as a toy.

Hmm, I wonder if the Disney purchase has any impact here.  (People have noticed that the latest solitations doesn't have Nova or Guardians of Galaxy.  Is it just a hiatus for the Thanos one-shot or have they also been cut? Is this Disney shaking things up or just buisness as usual?)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: stanleyballard on March 02, 2010, 11:30:23 am
Have to state that Mayberry's writing was improving with each issue and was certainly making Shuri a lot more interesting than before he came in to tighten the plots, strengthen the dialogue & pacing and make Doom War #1 popular enough to have X fans excited about catching up to this title & buying this book...they created a thread for it over on www.uncannyxmen.net and many on that site did not want the pairing of BP & Storm but have gained recent respect for the royal couple mainly because of the strong writing in the last few months.  Mayberry was barely given a chance and when he started the marketing/pr/advertising part with Doom War they simulataneously cancelled the book - it's hard to call it fair.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 02, 2010, 11:42:18 am
Why in the blue hell did they not let Jason Aaron keep this book? From hearing him speak on his run he enjoyed it.

They put him on Wolverine: Weapon-X.

He's considered a fan-favorite because of Scalped and gets to go on high profile books. There's a guaranteed captive audience for the character so most writers, if given a choice would rather write him.

Besides it probably pays more than B.P. too.   

Guys do multiple books all the time, but I'm talking about back when he did the Skrull arc when asked about the doing ongoing BP he said 'he couldn't see being able to take it over soon but there were big plans for it'. He had an interest.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 02, 2010, 11:48:46 am
Have to state that Mayberry's writing was improving with each issue and was certainly making Shuri a lot more interesting than before he came in to tighten the plots, strengthen the dialogue & pacing and make Doom War #1 popular enough to have X fans excited about catching up to this title & buying this book...they created a thread for it over on www.uncannyxmen.net and many on that site did not want the pairing of BP & Storm but have gained recent respect for the royal couple mainly because of the strong writing in the last few months.  Mayberry was barely given a chance and when he started the marketing/pr/advertising part with Doom War they sinulataneously cancelled the book - it's hard to call it fair.

It is "fair" because how many years did the writers of this book have to incorporate Storm like we begged them too? And please somebody tell those whining ass-monkeys Storm had been stagnant for decades so get over the "pairing" and get an f-ing life.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: stanleyballard on March 02, 2010, 12:17:20 pm
Agreed.  Some of the issues around the stories after the wedding issue really hurt the book....one of them was the confrontation between Fake Thor and Storm which many fans really felt turned off by...the idea she would not put a serious hurt on a Fake Thor was too much and her mischaracterization & representation as a "fan girl" did not sit well with many fans...during that time was when the sales of the book could have captured some definite fans who would have maintained sales of the book above 30K per month to prevent cancellation.  Storm was not properly represented even though there was a good build up the pay off scene didn't pay off.  And there were other issues that led to BP's demise.....

Storm hasn't been a major star in the X books for years.......the writers after Claremont did not favor her.  Fans of the XMen don't like to really admit that fact because then it raises other issues with them and the fact that there have been a few hacks writing the X franchise over the last decade.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Wakandan561 on March 02, 2010, 12:41:23 pm
What do you know my friend? Spill it (or pm me) :)

He doesn't know sh*t. He's just another pathetic fantard with his tongue so far up Maberry's asshole that he can't - or won't - see the writing on the wall. All the signs have been there for MONTHS. When you're soliciting #4 and #1 just dropped, your title is f*ckED!
First off King Jenn ain't nobody licking nothing around here, get dat straight RITE now. Second off, there is no real evidence that just because "The Black Panther" ended that this is actually "The End". Most of the reviews for Doomwar were off the charts because people were caught off guard by how good The New BP is in terms of the direction it has taken since issue # 7. Most people WHO read Doomwar didn't read BP, and they were in for a big surprise their is a review on youtube 16minutes long on just doomwar alone.
           On top of that, if BP had gotten Canceled, what makes you think that Maberry wouldn't come on the forum and be the first one to tell us that his run is over, and BP is dust. If you noticed Hudlin hasn't made a comment either. When people finish with Doomwar, their eyes will be open to The Black Panther. They will probably want more Black Panther and Storm after Doomwar,

As far as what Maberry supossedly told me?He didn't tell me a thing!!!!!!!  and thats got me super suspicious, I left Maberry a comment on His Facebook Page asking about the Black Panther and His Future with the book, and HE DELETED THE WALL POST ALTOGETHER WITHOUT RESPONDING. So It's pretty obvious that whatever plans he has he is keeping  a secret, he doesn't want ANY of us to know.

But trust me if you think Doomwar is the end of The BP and Wakanda series, you got ANOTHER THING COMING.

So for you BP Haters who think this is the end of Maberry and The Black Panther Series, be prepared to swallow all that BS Laughter you been putting on the Forums when the smoke clears in july...............................
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 02, 2010, 12:44:31 pm
Well I emailed Maberry about the rumors and he said that if it is then Marvel hasn't told him and that DW has five more issues to go.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 01:32:26 pm
BLAH BLAH BLAH SKEET SKEET SKEET


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Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 02, 2010, 01:35:41 pm
Well I emailed Maberry about the rumors and he said that if it is then Marvel hasn't told him and that DW has five more issues to go.

Well....I have no idea how to properly express my feelings about this....But I'll try....

1. The comic is canceled, that is obvious. The mini-series will continue.

2. This is the THIRD hiatus / mini -series in the comic's run over the last 3 years (Worlds Apart, Doomwar than that Kid Panther / Kid Storm story to justify the marriage.) They ain't getting another one anytime soon. This is getting into Flash / Dr. Strange / Namor territory now where they keep re-launching over and over again to no avail. Let it breathe for awhile.

3. I never liked the writing on this volume. The first writer killed the book with his poor characterization, and no matter how many guest writers and company wide hype was added to the book it was hemmoraging readers from Day. One and the same after the SECOND re-launch. All that money, all that hype, marriage to the most popular woman in Marvel comics and they STILL couldn't reach the same number of issues as Christopher Priest's series. The fact is this book had a poor writer, followed by too many mini-series followed by a TERRIBLE cast change (who the hell cares about BP's SISTER?) and another writer who while ADEQUATE and certainly better than the previous writer gave us 5 issues to set up what could have been done in ONE issue setting up doomwar.

4. The cancellation is sad because Doomwar # 1 was the MOST interesting BP comic I'd read since Jason Aaron guest wrote 3 issues during Secret Invasion. It always seemed to me that just about EVERYBODY else could get a decent handle on these characters (McDuffie in Fantastic Four, Jason Aaron, World Apart) except whoever happened to be writing it monthly.

5. If you have any doubt as to how poor this writing really was, from jump, watch the Black Panther cartoon on youtube. It was incredibly Dull past the first episode. And it was a word for word re-creation of the first arc of this re-launch.

I have no interest in gloating, or fanning the flames of conspiracy theories. Storm and BP's marriage is intact for the foreseeable future - it's being treated as a given in SO many other books now that It's moving towards 'canon' status. I can't say I'll miss the comic, since it had basically been mediocre for years, but I can say that I hope that BP gets more respect and better moments as a character in the fall tv cartoon. Plus, I think he'll be back in some form before too long.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 01:38:01 pm
Mayberry was barely given a chance and when he started the marketing/pr/advertising part with Doom War they simulataneously cancelled the book - it's hard to call it fair.

I can agree with this for the most part, except for the fact that he f*cked up from jumpstreet. If I give you my car and you wreck it the very first day, what do you expect me to do? And contrary to what JM's bottom boy Wakandan561 has to day, the reviews have hardly been "off the charts". The basic review more or less says "if you like BP, you'll love this." Problem is, 1) not a lot of people are checking for BP, and that's squarely Maberry's fault for writing such a slow book full of boring, vapid characters who do a bunch of stuff that makes no sense, and 2) I'm sure BP fans are feeling blessed (not me, since I dropped out last fall), but Storm fans - real ones, anyway - are feeling f*cked ten times over.

Speaking of which:

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they created a thread for it over on www.uncannyxmen.net and many on that site did not want the pairing of BP & Storm but have gained recent respect for the royal couple mainly because of the strong writing in the last few months. 

That's very interesting, seeing that they haven't been in the same room since #7. Gee, if I didn't know better, I'd call bullsh*t on that very statement.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 02, 2010, 01:46:18 pm
Have to state that Mayberry's writing was improving with each issue and was certainly making Shuri a lot more interesting than before he came in to tighten the plots, strengthen the dialogue & pacing and make Doom War #1 popular enough to have X fans excited about catching up to this title & buying this book...they created a thread for it over on www.uncannyxmen.net and many on that site did not want the pairing of BP & Storm but have gained recent respect for the royal couple mainly because of the strong writing in the last few months.  Mayberry was barely given a chance and when he started the marketing/pr/advertising part with Doom War they simulataneously cancelled the book - it's hard to call it fair.

The book was dying when the previous writer jumped ship. The new guy took over a sinking ship and then proceeded to spend the first 7 issues "thinking of a master plan" rather than just writing a comic. I do not entirely fault Mayberry, damage was done to this product for the previous 3 years due to shoddy writing, there is but so much you can do to hype a book when the base product is wack. Fair isn't really the issue, Mayberry following the previous writer is like Obama following Bush. The guy came in trying to clean up a WHOLE lotta mess that wasn't his fault. Perhaps he didn't have the BEST plans to fix things, but given how lousy the situation was that he inherited he tried his best.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 01:55:20 pm
I have no interest in gloating, or fanning the flames of conspiracy theories.


I'm picking up the slack for us both.  ;D But that's ONLY because I am truly joyful, not because I'm taking pleasure in others' misery.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/260zzeu.jpg)

But Obama following Bush? Bullsh*t. Obama is 1) qualified, and 2) has actually accomplished something during his short time in office. I'm sure Maberry is a perfectly competent writer - I'm not arguing otherwise - but he's out of his league here. As kitamu re said, what has he given to the Panther legacy? NANITES, that's what. Nanites and a punk bitch where a warrior king once stood. And the only reason why he's even been remotely accepted here is because of the pussification of the black American male. No self-respecting black man - and certainly not one who has any regard for women - would be caught dead reading this piece of sh*t.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 02, 2010, 02:15:35 pm
I have no interest in gloating, or fanning the flames of conspiracy theories.

I'm picking up the slack for us both.  ;D But that's ONLY because I am truly joyful, not because I'm taking pleasure in others' misery.

But Obama following Bush? Bullsh*t. Obama is 1) qualified, and 2) has actually accomplished something during his short time in office. I'm sure Maberry is a perfectly competent writer - I'm not arguing otherwise - but he's out of his league here. As kitamu re said, what has he given to the Panther legacy? NANITES, that's what. Nanites and a punk bitch where a warrior king once stood. And the only reason why he's even been remotely accepted here is because of the pussification of the black American male. No self-respecting black man - and certainly not one who has any regard for women - would be caught dead reading this piece of sh*t.

*Has read the book* *Is a black man* *:(*
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 02:26:53 pm
Why, Shade? I was told today (a few minutes ago, actually) that Storm is currently in a depowering cell that T'Challa created. Wasn't that done...15 years ago? 20? How can any BP fan support such BULLsh*t? That is HORRIBLE. It is UNNECESSARY. It is DISRESPECTFUL. And it is WRONG. You know what else is wrong? Bragging to your wife's old teammates about how you chose your country over your her and basically left her to die because...y'know, f*ck that bitch. Ohhhh, I thought T'Challa was so toooooooorn? Yeah, apparently not!!!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on March 02, 2010, 02:35:57 pm
I suspect Maberry has a picture of Jenn forwarded to all future signings for security purposes.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 02:40:08 pm
More like for jerkoff purposes. Not that I'd blame him. I'm a rather comely lass, if I do say so myself. We could have everything. Sado-masochism, jungle fever, May-December...and I've always had a thing for big guys.

(Goddamn it, I have GOT to stop sh*tting on this guy.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: bluezulu on March 02, 2010, 02:46:51 pm
This thread will be locked real soon. Know you have long time trolls taking the opportunity to air beefs on previous writers. I think everything that needed to be said has been said except an official announcement. Unless I see this thread go in another direction I am going to lock it until some type of announcement other then a third hand subscription change post.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 02, 2010, 02:47:43 pm
More like for jerkoff purposes. Not that I'd blame him. I'm a rather comely lass, if I do say so myself. We could have everything. Sado-masochism, jungle fever, May-December...and I've always had a thing for big guys.

(Goddamn it, I have GOT to stop sh*tting on this guy.)

Pic? j/k lol.

Btw to answer your question from above what can I say? I thought it was pretty decent. I can see that you disagree though lol.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 02:51:25 pm
Know you have long time trolls taking the opportunity to air beefs on previous writers.

Mr. Zulu, I would just like to take the time to point out that I'm airing beefs on the current writer.  Just clearing my name here. :)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 02, 2010, 02:58:15 pm
Eveybody has their own idea on what should have been done with the book writing wise.

I'm saying, where is the fan favorite artist?

Put a Jim Lee on the book and I could move at least 30K a month and I can't friggin spell ;D.  

 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on March 02, 2010, 03:13:40 pm
I wonder what will happen in the aftermath of DOOMWAR now?

There are some natural rivalries setup for T'Challa in the Heroic Age.

Stark- This hasn't really been addressed.

Rogers- Captain America is primes to be the new leader of S.H.I.E.L.D amd to my knowledge he and BP haven't conversed at all since the beginning of CIVIL WAR.

X-verse- So many ways to go here. Someone pays for a hit on Black Panther and Wade takes it up. Vibranium is needed and they decided to take it, Cable fits in nicely there.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 02, 2010, 03:55:27 pm
Unfortunately I haven't read DoomWar #1 yet, but I didn't think JM was a bad writer. I enjoyed a lot of what he was doing. I had my issues with how T'Challa and Shuri cut Storm out of the loop in BP issue #12, but I haven't read DW yet to see if the explanation mollified my concerns.

If BP is cancelled, and I believe that it probably is, I don't think we can just blame Mr. Maberry for that. To some extent, you have to look at Mr. Hudlin as well. Looking back at his run, he didn't develop Shuri enough to make her a legitimate successor, or to even excite fans with how a different person might approach the role of BP. Plus it was a risk putting a female character, and a black female character to boot, as the headliner of an already struggling series.

Even though I enjoyed the relaunch that put Shuri in as BP, I did so not because of any love for the character but because RH was finally not making T'Challa a Gary Stu anymore and he had provided a credible threat with Doom, Namor, Morlun; in essence RH had improved upon the two main concerns I had with his run. I thought JM did a good job handling the politics, and starting to develop Shuri, while throwing in some more credible villains. I didn't care for Storm not remaining a queen, but I am guessing that the Wakandan succession stuff predated JM's run on the title. And I didn't mind some Wakandans turning against Storm. I thought that opened the door for some interesting future storylines, as the aftermath of the Doom/Desturi coup.

Though some have expressed a desire to have kept Jason Aaron on this title, I wasn't bowled over by his short run. It was kickass, but the Skrull commander was the main character. I didn't see much development of BP or Storm. Now, Mr. Aaron is an awesome writer-love Scalped and am enjoying his PunisherMax, plus I think he's a pretty cool guy after meeting him in person. If he had the BP writing duties I'm sure he would do great work, but just based off his Secret Invasion Panther storyline, I can't say it was a watershed moment.

I thought JM was weaving an interesting web and I do hope that he is at least allowed to finish DW. I do agree with some others that Shuri's fate is pretty questionable now. I don't think they would kill off Storm or T'Challa. But I would see T'Challa getting it before Storm. Storm is more popular and better known. I hope they all make it, because I don't see too many black characters being resurrected like Cap, Superman, etc. I also agree that after this shakeup that T'Challa will emerge as the Black Panther. Not sure if the marriage will survive. From what I've read of Jenn's comments and others, and from what I read in Issue #12 there is enough of a trust issue there to provide a wedge to break up T'Challa and Storm. They might even do something stupid where T'Challa has to choose Storm or Wakanda, or Storm is forced to make some type of similar sacrifice. BP's own version of "One More Day".

I also would have to fault Marvel for this. On one hand I've got to give them credit for promoting BP by putting him at the center, close to it, or in the mix for many of the major events up to Dark Reign. But after that it seemed like BP was sort of cut off. I think a Dark Reign tie-in would've been great. So would having more Wakandan involvement in the Nation X storyline. I also think the timing of DoomWar got it mixed in with Seige, Fall of the Hulks, etc. And DoomWar didn't get enough promotion.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 04:34:53 pm
I also agree that after this shakeup that T'Challa will emerge as the Black Panther. Not sure if the marriage will survive. From what I've read of Jenn's comments and others, and from what I read in Issue #12 there is enough of a trust issue there to provide a wedge to break up T'Challa and Storm. They might even do something stupid where T'Challa has to choose Storm or Wakanda, or Storm is forced to make some type of similar sacrifice. BP's own version of "One More Day".

BP has already chosen Wakanda over Storm. He has apparently made this very clear, w/o a drop of regret. Hell, the only reason why they're even bothering to rescue her is because he never knows when he'll need to throw her to the wolves again - and since MaberryStorm will never have a problem with that behavior, why not? But MaberryStorm is only going to last for so long, because MaberryStorm isn't Storm. Even if DW does well (anything can happen; it's Doom, after all), MaberryStorm's days are numbered now that Black Panther (the title) is finished. Storm fans can take comfort in that.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 02, 2010, 05:54:17 pm
I have to agree that Storm was written very much out-of-character in BP 7-12. This is something I commented on on several different occassions as well as the mistake of placing Shuri in the central role of the title. Maberry did write Shuri well, however, as I've stated plenty of times in the past, the problem is nobody cares about Shuri. That said, I don't think its really fair to blame him so. The decision came from above his head to put Shuri in the role she's in and it was also decided that Storm would be left out of the loop, IIRC. These were decisions that came from above him. I think he did the best that could be expected of a writer given the circumstances.

He wrote well, yes, but most people aren't going to care about the central character. Issues 7-12 could have been compacted into 3-4 issues, yes, but it was probably the editor's decision to make it 6 issues. I was disappointed with issues 10-12 as I thought Storm would play a larger role than she did. I was starved for some good "Storm" scenes and didn't really get it. Also, Storm has been too complacent in the book for the last 6 months considering the fact her husband was nearly killed, he's ignoring her, etc. She should have been very proactive in seeking to unmask his assailant. (Since 7-12 could have been cut down to 3 or 4 issues, the extra room space could have been used for this purpose to fill out the 6 issues)  Fortunately, in "DoomWar" #1, we got to see some of that old fire back in Storm'she character's personality when she stood on trial and when she faced Doom. To boot, I believe we are going to see some awesome Storm moments in this story. T'challa chose his country over his wife when he should have found another way to sacrifice neither, however, these things can be great for character development. I would love to see Storm's reaction to that. T'challa has made some bad decisions and Ororo needs to confront him on this. She should question her security with him and really let her feelgs be known under no uncertain terms. It should give him something to reflect on and hopefully he makes changes within himself in the way he handles situations concerning her in the future. People are complaning, and rightly so, about T'challa's behavior, but this could open the door to some very interesting drama and character development post "DoomWar" that would be well worth reading.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Francisco on March 02, 2010, 05:59:59 pm
A question: Why should T'Challa not chose Wakanda over Storm??
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 02, 2010, 06:05:58 pm
Why should T'challa choose Storm over Wakanda?  Because he knows she expects it and told him so--she told him if the PG refused her as his queen, she expected him to give up Wakanda.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 02, 2010, 06:10:06 pm
He should not choose Wakanda over Storm because that is his wife and family. I think it was unnecessary to begin with. I think T'challa over-dramatized this whole thing with "making a choice between wife and country." The Desturi's goal is not to destroy Wakanda or the Wakandan people, but to gain power politically and overthrow the ruling family. Doom is using them as a distraction as his goal is not to immediately attack Wakanda via an overt, hostile takeover. Doom's approach is subtle and Wakanda was not in any immediate danger from either Doom or the Desturi. He should have chosen to save Storm and then the two of them along with Shuri could have concocted a plan to get Wakanda back. I mean, how did he save his country anyway in letting Storm take the fall? She would have been prepared for the trap and would not be in the situation she's currently in. Its not as if somebody had their hand on a button that would have blown the country up if he didn't allow her to fall into Doom's and Desturi's trap. Heck, he could have flown to the X-Men HQ on his own, talked to the White Queen and had her telepathically warn Storm from across the world of the situation. Storm could feigned ignorance of the Desturi and Doom plots. Heck, this would have given T'challa a tactical edge as now he has an inside person, Storm. Doom would be unaware of how much Ororo knows and he would have understimated her givingT'challa's team an edge. Against the likes of Doom, you need every edge you can get.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Francisco on March 02, 2010, 06:11:17 pm
Why should T'challa choose Storm over Wakanda?  Because he knows she expects it and told him so--she told him if the PG refused her as his queen, she expected him to give up Wakanda.

So the Panther God not approving the marriage and Doom taking over Wakanda and murdering thousands is the same thing??
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 02, 2010, 06:16:06 pm
Why should T'challa choose Storm over Wakanda?  Because he knows she expects it and told him so--she told him if the PG refused her as his queen, she expected him to give up Wakanda.

So the Panther God not approving the marriage and Doom taking over Wakanda and murdering thousands is the same thing??

You bring up an interesting point. T'challa knew that Doom was after the vibranium and he knew that one of the locks was something that only Storm could unlock. If Ororo had not been there, then Doom would have killed and kept killing to blackmail Storm into coming out and opening that lock. Hmmm...I still think T'challa should have taken the risk and saved Storm.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 02, 2010, 06:47:56 pm
On the Doomwar front. As to the cell, I took it as meant for Magneto (who T'Challa had run ins with in the Priest series )or any mutant and the guy was just trying to mess with her head. I didn't see it as all as being for her. I also didn't see him "abandoning" her. He might have felt that way but what did he do? he didn't have the fire power to get her out, which meant taking down Doom so he enlisted help from her family.Her family.  One thing that has always been stressed about T'Challa from Yost's Storm mini to this--T'Challa NEVER asks for help. That's how Storm knew Shadow King still had control of him, but he dropped all pride all pretense, he went hat in hand to HER family. That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 02, 2010, 07:34:57 pm
On the Doomwar front. As to the cell, I took it as meant for Magneto (who T'Challa had run ins with in the Priest series )or any mutant and the guy was just trying to mess with her head. I didn't see it as all as being for her. I also didn't see him "abandoning" her. He might have felt that way but what did he do? he didn't have the fire power to get her out, which meant taking down Doom so he enlisted help from her family.Her family.  One thing that has always been stressed about T'Challa from Yost's Storm mini to this--T'Challa NEVER asks for help. That's how Storm knew Shadow King still had control of him, but he dropped all pride all pretense, he went hat in hand to HER family. That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.

Excellent points.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 02, 2010, 08:08:20 pm
On the Doomwar front. As to the cell, I took it as meant for Magneto (who T'Challa had run ins with in the Priest series )or any mutant and the guy was just trying to mess with her head. I didn't see it as all as being for her. I also didn't see him "abandoning" her. He might have felt that way but what did he do? he didn't have the fire power to get her out, which meant taking down Doom so he enlisted help from her family.Her family.  One thing that has always been stressed about T'Challa from Yost's Storm mini to this--T'Challa NEVER asks for help. That's how Storm knew Shadow King still had control of him, but he dropped all pride all pretense, he went hat in hand to HER family. That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.

Excellent points.

I totally agree, I saw the cell as one for mutants/superhumans.  For choosing Wakanda over Storm, I think T'Challa's taking a very utilitarian approach (needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few).  Doom did say "...it won't matter who rules this country. It will be a wasteland of ash and charred bones."  Losing his wife sucks, but I've always seen T'Challa as the sum of his people and I don't think he'd ever recover from such devastation.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 02, 2010, 09:17:28 pm
That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.


(http://i43.tinypic.com/3127clh.jpg)

(To be fair, that ALMOST flew.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 03, 2010, 02:45:07 am
The only version of the Black Panther that wouldn't have sacrificed his wife would have been "happy pants Panther" and maybe McGregors classic nice guy Panther.

Every other version of the character has been a machavelian plotter to some degree. Even Reg's straight talking version didn't actually SAY he was going to abdicate the throne for her. He let that question hang. I don't think he knw what he would have done himself.

In story-wise Pricnesa make a good point as T'Challa could just have easily gone to his friends (The Avengers) who are probably scarier to a guy like Doom than the X-men are anyway (but on the other hand Steve would have had a problem with all the killing that is going to go on). Look at the azz-whipping Doom just got from Thor.

As far as the book goes the numbers are clear on one thing: Whenever this character is NOT in a crossover sales drop. Reg's arc started as a Dark Riegn X-over. Power stood on its own and got bad numbers. Back to Africa stood on its own too and got bad (but slightly better than Mayberry's) numbers also. 

Comics fans are art ho's: Reg got John Romita Jr. at the very beginning and after that no other name as big.

Priest buckdanced for fanboys for the entirety of his run and got numbers below 25K for 90% of his run as a reward. I am a fan of his but if anybody was a beneficary of editorial welfare it was Priest. Marvel would have been in thier rights to have killed his book after issue 20.

Mayberry had a no name artist and no tie ins and saw the same kinds of numbers that Priest did. So I want to see what kind of numbers Doomwar gets. Since he will have had both at that point.

If they do decide to relaunch the title they need to rename it Black Panther and Storm. That alone will net the book about 2-4K in orders it isn't getting now (the orders are done by retailers who short everything that isn't written by Bendis). Putting both thier names on the book will also allow marvel to justify putting a name artist on the thing for once(since its now an X-book by default). Put a guy like Alan Davis or Jae Lee on this book for a year and then look at the numbers.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 03, 2010, 02:48:22 am
Thanks VV,

In my previous post I had said that there was not a DR crossover. I forgot about the initial tie-in that launched the book. My apologies. I wish there had been another one with Shuri more directly involved.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 09:10:02 am
On the Doomwar front. As to the cell, I took it as meant for Magneto (who T'Challa had run ins with in the Priest series )or any mutant and the guy was just trying to mess with her head. I didn't see it as all as being for her. I also didn't see him "abandoning" her. He might have felt that way but what did he do? he didn't have the fire power to get her out, which meant taking down Doom so he enlisted help from her family.Her family.  One thing that has always been stressed about T'Challa from Yost's Storm mini to this--T'Challa NEVER asks for help. That's how Storm knew Shadow King still had control of him, but he dropped all pride all pretense, he went hat in hand to HER family. That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.

This is a non-issue. The entire royal family including T'Challa's wife are infected with machines that not only make them unknowing spies for Doom but could potentially be used to harm them as well. If he goes after Storm and lets her know what's up Doom may flip a switch and she dies, along with everyone else. It sounded nice to say he left Storm to the wolves for dramatic purposes but let's be real about this, he made the only sound decision you can make in that situation. Further, Cyclops does that ish* all the time, thinking of his 'people' before his wive(s) friends etc. Real Leaders have to make touch choices. That's what a KING does, and that's what any woman marrying a king would understand. It ain't all about them and their love, he's got a entire civilization to protect. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 09:26:43 am
I have no interest in gloating, or fanning the flames of conspiracy theories.


I'm picking up the slack for us both.  ;D But that's ONLY because I am truly joyful, not because I'm taking pleasure in others' misery.

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But Obama following Bush? Bullsh*t. Obama is 1) qualified, and 2) has actually accomplished something during his short time in office. I'm sure Maberry is a perfectly competent writer - I'm not arguing otherwise - but he's out of his league here. As kitamu re said, what has he given to the Panther legacy? NANITES, that's what. Nanites and a punk bitch where a warrior king once stood. And the only reason why he's even been remotely accepted here is because of the pussification of the black American male. No self-respecting black man - and certainly not one who has any regard for women - would be caught dead reading this piece of sh*t.


Not to get overly political here but...

Bush f**ked up the country and the world for years by ignoring history and tradition, and making it clear that he played favorites and didn't care to make new friends. After 9-11, which was indirectly his fault depending on who you believe (and there are certain things I won't write even I DO believe them.) he had a chance to really unite the world towards a common purpose and get things done. Instead he blows it all on a fake war, tax cuts and screwing the poor.

Allegory:

The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage. All the hype and marketing was amazing. He had the chance to springboard this book to heights unseen in Panther's entire history. The wedding issue sold 63K the most of ANY black panther comic in HISTORY. And yet it was back down to 20K something 3 issues later.

Same story, just nobody had to die...but the allegory continues....

Obama follows Bush he's smart, he's capable but he's a little too committed to the system when the public is really calling for a radical change and a new direction. He hires alotta of the same people that Bush had, extends policies that Bush had and basically continues some of the things that everyone was unhappy with. Plus he's saddled with alotta mess that Bush MADE and left in his lap.  He's doing his best, he's doing OKAY - Not great but OKAY since he's only been in office for a year. I will withold judgment (but extending the patriot act for a year last week doesn't give me much optimism.)

Allegory:

Mayberry follows previous writer, he's okay, has some books under his belt but he's a LITTLE too committed to the previous regime. The previous writer's style wasn't working, the cast wasn't connecting with people and the sales were down. So what does he do? He picks the least developed least interesting character from the LAST regime and decides to dedicate the comic to HER? Just like Obama following Bush's lousy policies. By the time JM finally comes up with an interesting idea (I think Doomwar is actually rather interesting) it's too late. Comic is dead and he's just playing out the string. Could he have really turned it around, we'll never know. But he should've really gone in a different direction rather than trying to re-habilitate something that was moribund already. Hell Priest got 12 issues out of Casper Cole and that was a TERRIBLE idea. But he knew the book needed to go in another direction and FAST.

Maybe Obama will figure it out as well, Mayberry got cancelled after 12 issues, at least Obama has 4 years.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 03, 2010, 10:50:56 am
The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You seem to be the kind of hater that pretends to be objective but puts forth propaganda.
If you had just said that the previous writer created the marriage of the decade, I could just ignore your peculiar interpretation of the events. But apparently, your little narrative doesn't allow for any credit for anything for RH and you're too uncouth to voice your "criticism" here in his house with any semblance of respect.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 11:04:42 am
The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You seem to be the kind of hater that pretends to be objective but puts forth propaganda.
If you had just said that the previous writer created the marriage of the decade, I could just ignore your peculiar interpretation of the events. But apparently, your little narrative doesn't allow for any credit for anything for RH and you're too uncouth to voice your "criticism" here in his house with any semblance of respect.



Curt, grow up. It's over, the comic is being canceled. You don't like my post - mortem or eulogy then don't read it. The marriage wasn't created by the past writer, Priest had the idea of Storm and BP getting married in the previous volume but it didn't go through (which I'm happy about, I think his version of the marriage would've been depressing.) So it WAS given to him, and he did make it happen but he did not create it. Why don't you point your phone rightgeous indignation somewhere else, there are plenty of autoposies being done on this book find one that makes you happy and go away.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 03, 2010, 11:12:52 am
The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You seem to be the kind of hater that pretends to be objective but puts forth propaganda.
If you had just said that the previous writer created the marriage of the decade, I could just ignore your peculiar interpretation of the events. But apparently, your little narrative doesn't allow for any credit for anything for RH and you're too uncouth to voice your "criticism" here in his house with any semblance of respect.



Curt, grow up. It's over, the comic is being canceled. You don't like my post - mortem or eulogy then don't read it. The marriage wasn't created by the past writer, Priest had the idea of Storm and BP getting married in the previous volume but it didn't go through (which I'm happy about, I think his version of the marriage would've been depressing.) So it WAS given to him, and he did make it happen but he did not create it. Why don't you point your phone rightgeous indignation somewhere else, there are plenty of autoposies being done on this book find one that makes you happy and go away.
Actually, I'm asking you to grow up. I am not talking about a comic book that I'm not reading but rather respecting my friend as a man, and acting like a man yourself. Maybe you genuinely don't get it; your behavior to date certainly supports that hypothesis.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 11:26:24 am
The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You seem to be the kind of hater that pretends to be objective but puts forth propaganda.
If you had just said that the previous writer created the marriage of the decade, I could just ignore your peculiar interpretation of the events. But apparently, your little narrative doesn't allow for any credit for anything for RH and you're too uncouth to voice your "criticism" here in his house with any semblance of respect.



Curt, grow up. It's over, the comic is being canceled. You don't like my post - mortem or eulogy then don't read it. The marriage wasn't created by the past writer, Priest had the idea of Storm and BP getting married in the previous volume but it didn't go through (which I'm happy about, I think his version of the marriage would've been depressing.) So it WAS given to him, and he did make it happen but he did not create it. Why don't you point your phone rightgeous indignation somewhere else, there are plenty of autoposies being done on this book find one that makes you happy and go away.
Actually, I'm asking you to grow up. I am not talking about a comic book that I'm not reading but rather respecting my friend as a man, and acting like a man yourself. Maybe you genuinely don't get it; your behavior to date certainly supports that hypothesis.

Read the comic, and have since day one. Bought every issue. I notice that you didn't address my post either. The Previous writer did not create the marriage of Storm and T'Challa. It was an old idea that he brought to fruition. But I forgot, you just wanna whine and b***h because you've got some wild hair up your a** about my view of how the comic has been written at times and whether I'm reading it. 

If you're all that bent out of shape then go after Jenn, she's gloating that the comic has been canceled, railing against anyone who liked it and is slamming a book she hasn't read since the new guy took over. Oh that's right you're selective about who you want to complain about because you'd rather play passive aggressive "I'm protecting my friend" games. You'd think that after 3 or 4 years of this you'd finally get over yourself and hang up your "protector of [author's] pride" uniform juuuuussssttt long enough to allow other people to grieve and bemoan the passing of the comic in their own way. You can ply all the 50 cent words and mock disdain that you want it won't mask the fact that you've been whelping like a spanked puppy after every comment I've made on this site for 4 freakin' years. When I was talking about poor sales numbers you whined that I was being a hater, when I was saying that the marriage needed to be capitalized on you belly ached like I took your lunch money. On and on you've been sniffing after me like I stole your girlfriend and sent you the pictures. You have neither shamed me into silence nor enlightened me into agreement with anything you've ever written. How about you split the difference and go after a real target. Or just go home and call the previous writer so you can gossip about how mean I am. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kimoyo on March 03, 2010, 11:36:44 am
On the Doomwar front. As to the cell, I took it as meant for Magneto (who T'Challa had run ins with in the Priest series )or any mutant and the guy was just trying to mess with her head. I didn't see it as all as being for her. I also didn't see him "abandoning" her. He might have felt that way but what did he do? he didn't have the fire power to get her out, which meant taking down Doom so he enlisted help from her family.Her family.  One thing that has always been stressed about T'Challa from Yost's Storm mini to this--T'Challa NEVER asks for help. That's how Storm knew Shadow King still had control of him, but he dropped all pride all pretense, he went hat in hand to HER family. That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.

Agree totally and glad you picked up the subtlety of Storm's jailor's strategy.  These are fictional characters so there is more than enough room for different interpretations but in further support of T'Challa's feelings for Storm I'd like to point out that he did in fact choose Storm over his obligation to Wakanda when rescued from death by her and confronted with the choice of leaving her to sub for him in noble sacrifice or fighting with her against the hordes of undead.  He refused to leave of course even at Storm's urging and Neither he nor Storm had any idea of Shuri and Ramonda's plot to exchange Morlun for them.

Peace,

Mont
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 03, 2010, 11:38:30 am
The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You seem to be the kind of hater that pretends to be objective but puts forth propaganda.
If you had just said that the previous writer created the marriage of the decade, I could just ignore your peculiar interpretation of the events. But apparently, your little narrative doesn't allow for any credit for anything for RH and you're too uncouth to voice your "criticism" here in his house with any semblance of respect.



Curt, grow up. It's over, the comic is being canceled. You don't like my post - mortem or eulogy then don't read it. The marriage wasn't created by the past writer, Priest had the idea of Storm and BP getting married in the previous volume but it didn't go through (which I'm happy about, I think his version of the marriage would've been depressing.) So it WAS given to him, and he did make it happen but he did not create it. Why don't you point your phone rightgeous indignation somewhere else, there are plenty of autoposies being done on this book find one that makes you happy and go away.
Actually, I'm asking you to grow up. I am not talking about a comic book that I'm not reading but rather respecting my friend as a man, and acting like a man yourself. Maybe you genuinely don't get it; your behavior to date certainly supports that hypothesis.

Read the comic, and have since day one. Bought every issue. I notice that you didn't address my post either. The Previous writer did not create the marriage of Storm and T'Challa. It was an old idea that he brought to fruition. But I forgot, you just wanna whine and b***h because you've got some wild hair up your a** about my view of how the comic has been written at times and whether I'm reading it. 

If you're all that bent out of shape then go after Jenn, she's gloating that the comic has been canceled, railing against anyone who liked it and is slamming a book she hasn't read since the new guy took over. Oh that's right you're selective about who you want to complain about because you'd rather play passive aggressive "I'm protecting my friend" games. You'd think that after 3 or 4 years of this you'd finally get over yourself and hang up your "protector of [author's] pride" uniform juuuuussssttt long enough to allow other people to grieve and bemoan the passing of the comic in their own way. You can ply all the 50 cent words and mock disdain that you want it won't mask the fact that you've been whelping like a spanked puppy after every comment I've made on this site for 4 freakin' years. When I was talking about poor sales numbers you whined that I was being a hater, when I was saying that the marriage needed to be capitalized on you belly ached like I took your lunch money. On and on you've been sniffing after me like I stole your girlfriend and sent you the pictures. You have neither shamed me into silence nor enlightened me into agreement with anything you've ever written. How about you split the difference and go after a real target. Or just go home and call the previous writer so you can gossip about how mean I am. Sheesh.

You've sort of got a point.

I'd of banned you long ago.

You have nothing to contribute to this forum but "Reg Sucks".

And after you said that the first 500 times it got old.



  

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 11:40:44 am
Every other version of the character has been a machavelian plotter to some degree. Even Reg's straight talking version didn't actually SAY he was going to abdicate the throne for her. He let that question hang. I don't think he knw what he would have done himself.

Although I agree with you, T'Challa knew that Storm's demand was an irrelevant one. (And deep down, I think Storm knew it as well.)

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Mayberry had a no name artist and no tie ins and saw the same kinds of numbers that Priest did. So I want to see what kind of numbers Doomwar gets. Since he will have had both at that point.

The numbers will probably be fine, but what difference will it make when he's unemployed?

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If they do decide to relaunch the title they need to rename it Black Panther and Storm.

No. No. No no no NO. Absolutely not. (Talk about buckdancing?)

If you're all that bent out of shape then go after Jenn, she's gloating that the comic has been canceled, railing against anyone who liked it and is slamming a book she hasn't read since the new guy took over.

Jenn is being honest about why she's here. You should try it sometime.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 11:54:37 am
The previous writer came in with new ideas but quickly gained a reputation for dissing fanboys and crapping on the established history of a well loved character.
Then the previous writer was given the marriage of the decade, literally, in Storm and T'Challa's marriage.
This is why I can't take you seriously. You seem to be the kind of hater that pretends to be objective but puts forth propaganda.
If you had just said that the previous writer created the marriage of the decade, I could just ignore your peculiar interpretation of the events. But apparently, your little narrative doesn't allow for any credit for anything for RH and you're too uncouth to voice your "criticism" here in his house with any semblance of respect.



Curt, grow up. It's over, the comic is being canceled. You don't like my post - mortem or eulogy then don't read it. The marriage wasn't created by the past writer, Priest had the idea of Storm and BP getting married in the previous volume but it didn't go through (which I'm happy about, I think his version of the marriage would've been depressing.) So it WAS given to him, and he did make it happen but he did not create it. Why don't you point your phone rightgeous indignation somewhere else, there are plenty of autoposies being done on this book find one that makes you happy and go away.
Actually, I'm asking you to grow up. I am not talking about a comic book that I'm not reading but rather respecting my friend as a man, and acting like a man yourself. Maybe you genuinely don't get it; your behavior to date certainly supports that hypothesis.

Read the comic, and have since day one. Bought every issue. I notice that you didn't address my post either. The Previous writer did not create the marriage of Storm and T'Challa. It was an old idea that he brought to fruition. But I forgot, you just wanna whine and b***h because you've got some wild hair up your a** about my view of how the comic has been written at times and whether I'm reading it. 

If you're all that bent out of shape then go after Jenn, she's gloating that the comic has been canceled, railing against anyone who liked it and is slamming a book she hasn't read since the new guy took over. Oh that's right you're selective about who you want to complain about because you'd rather play passive aggressive "I'm protecting my friend" games. You'd think that after 3 or 4 years of this you'd finally get over yourself and hang up your "protector of [author's] pride" uniform juuuuussssttt long enough to allow other people to grieve and bemoan the passing of the comic in their own way. You can ply all the 50 cent words and mock disdain that you want it won't mask the fact that you've been whelping like a spanked puppy after every comment I've made on this site for 4 freakin' years. When I was talking about poor sales numbers you whined that I was being a hater, when I was saying that the marriage needed to be capitalized on you belly ached like I took your lunch money. On and on you've been sniffing after me like I stole your girlfriend and sent you the pictures. You have neither shamed me into silence nor enlightened me into agreement with anything you've ever written. How about you split the difference and go after a real target. Or just go home and call the previous writer so you can gossip about how mean I am. Sheesh.

You've sort of got a point.

I'd of banned you long ago.

You have nothing to contribute to this forum but "Reg Sucks".

And after you said that the first 500 times it got old.



  



Funny. I didn't even say that regarding the cancellation of the book. JM inherited a book that had been failing for months. He continued with that trend and didn't contribute much. The Worlds Apart Series ended at about 19K a month, the re-launch started with 50K and now the comic is back to 17K a month in a year. It may not truly MATTER who is writing the book, it only has a certain shelf life. Moreover, I simply suggested that if JM was going to take over a book that has been struggling, or had recently re-launched it made sense to go in a DIFFERENT Direction, rather than use the same old cast and storylines that had not been popular before. It's convenient to call that hate, but it's really just common sense.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 11:57:50 am
Every other version of the character has been a machavelian plotter to some degree. Even Reg's straight talking version didn't actually SAY he was going to abdicate the throne for her. He let that question hang. I don't think he knw what he would have done himself.

Although I agree with you, T'Challa knew that Storm's demand was an irrelevant one. (And deep down, I think Storm knew it as well.)

Quote
Mayberry had a no name artist and no tie ins and saw the same kinds of numbers that Priest did. So I want to see what kind of numbers Doomwar gets. Since he will have had both at that point.

The numbers will probably be fine, but what difference will it make when he's unemployed?

Quote
If they do decide to relaunch the title they need to rename it Black Panther and Storm.

No. No. No no no NO. Absolutely not. (Talk about buckdancing?)

If you're all that bent out of shape then go after Jenn, she's gloating that the comic has been canceled, railing against anyone who liked it and is slamming a book she hasn't read since the new guy took over.

Jenn is being honest about why she's here. You should try it sometime.

I'm here because I found out a comic that I had been collecting for years has been canceled and I'm surprised and dismayed at that news. You're here to gloat about the fact that the changes to the book that you believed would kill it, have in fact actually killed the book. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 12:11:22 pm
Like I said, try being honest about why you're here. It'll go a long away.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on March 03, 2010, 12:21:05 pm
blakyoda, if you think people actually buy the line you're saying, you're as stupid as you are full of sh*t disingenious.  

I don't care if you don't like the book or animated series.  I've sold more Black Panther comics than anyone in history. I've done that by making a book that is not meant to please everybody. If you're one of those people who doesn't like it, so be it.  I've got fans all over the world who feel otherwise.

But you only make an appearance at this site to spew negativity when you perceive a moment of weakness in the property.  And then have the nerve to say that's not what you're doing.  Man Up and stop being a punk.  

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 12:39:37 pm
blakyoda, if you think people actually buy the line you're saying, you're as stupid as you are full of sh*t disingenious.  

I don't care if you don't like the book or animated series.  I've sold more Black Panther comics than anyone in history. I've done that by making a book that is not meant to please everybody. If you're one of those people who doesn't like it, so be it.  I've got fans all over the world who feel otherwise.

But you only make an appearance at this site to spew negativity when you perceive a moment of weakness in the property.  And then have the nerve to say that's not what you're doing.  Man Up and stop being a punk.  



The books been canceled. I'm not happy about that, people are discussing why they think the book did or did not succeed. I am just one of many voices. You've got some folks blaming race, some folks blaming the current writing and some folks gloating that the comic that YOU put blood sweat and tears into is going to get canceled. But you wanna come at ME? Because I stated that JM took over a book that was already struggling? Now who's being disingenuous? 

I appear on this site from time to time to commiserate with other fans and discuss the direction of the book. The last time I was here I was the FIRST person to post the links to the BP cartoon. (The one that was promised to fans 2 years ago) The one that has only run in Australia and nobody knows why. As a FAN of BP, no matter who writes the book, I wanted to see the cartoon and shared it with other people who are fans of the comic. Sound like a 'hater move'? I am sure that there are some posters who would love me to come laugh or cheer or whatever about BP's impending demise but I'm sorry I can't play the villain that you want.

I am now, as I was 3 years ago when you came after me (and couldn't answer some basic questions about the healthcare situation at BET when you were president amongst other things) a fan of the book, and know little or nothing about you personally, only your work. I'm sorry if what I say really bugs you that much, because honestly that's not my intention, it's not that deep to me. You've moved on from the book, left the forum here for fans to keep talking and that's that. I don't know what it is you expect out of me - blind loyalty? Not gonna get it. General respect for you as a person? I don't know you and have never said anything about you personally. Undying praise for your writing on BP? This is a fan "forum" not a fan "club".

Disingenous would suggest that I've ever pretended to have intentions other than the ones I state. I have said the same thing since day one, I'm a fan of BP, I want the comic to do well and the character to do well, no matter who's writing it, or how much I like their work. Sorry if I can't be the punching bag. I take no pleasure in seeing black panther get canceled. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: blkyoda on March 03, 2010, 12:42:24 pm
Like I said, try being honest about why you're here. It'll go a long away.

Wait, you come here to gloat about the book being canceled that you haven't bought in months - and I come here and found out the book was canceled but I'M not being honest about why I'm here? That makes no sense. I've never pretended to be anything other than what I've written. No intention other than to commisserate then move on.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on March 03, 2010, 12:59:35 pm
I can understand your concerns about health care.  Aren't you missing several of your front teeth?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 01:11:19 pm
Boys, boys. You're both pretty.  ::)

No intention other than to commisserate then move on.

When does the moving on part kick in?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 03, 2010, 01:26:32 pm
Round break! Back to your corners! *Calls out ring girls*
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 03, 2010, 02:13:22 pm
My LCS manager heard that BP was canceled too, but he can't remember where he read it.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Battle on March 03, 2010, 02:14:32 pm
I didn't really see Black Panther as canceled, failed or otherwise.  I'm just glad there aren't two titles I'd have to keep with monthly instead of just 1.  Like I wrote earlier in this thread,  it was getting to be an expensive habit.

DOOMWAR #1 gives me the impression that an earth-shattering event has occurred in the middle of a Black Panther storyline; observe how the story in DOOMWAR is introduced by the media.
If the production people at MARVEL were clever, they would take advantage of this by continuing Black Panther [numerically] where it was last left at issue #12 when the events in DOOMWAR ends.

Why not periodically show the medias' point-of-view of what is actually happening in DOOMWAR every now and then? ...let's see what President Obama has to say about this, etc...  y'know? :-\




>>>blkyoda

If you'd just put aside your skepticism you might actually be able win friends and influence people at HEF.
Curtis Metcalf and Mr. Hudlin are from the ol' school when a friend really meant friendship.  
In this day and age, not many people can say that with sheer honesty.
Seriously, don't knock the hustle...

By the way, do you wear pampers?(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/ma.gif)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 02:36:45 pm
Round break! Back to your corners! *Calls out ring girls*


(http://i48.tinypic.com/othuvb.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 03, 2010, 02:41:11 pm
Round break! Back to your corners! *Calls out ring girls*


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*Applauses*
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 03, 2010, 02:46:06 pm
You've sort of got a point.

I'd of banned you long ago.

You have nothing to contribute to this forum but "Reg Sucks".

And after you said that the first 500 times it got old.

Good point.
Oh, blkyoda? Won't see him no more...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 03, 2010, 02:54:17 pm
wooooooooooooooooow.
i'm gone for a good minute and the whole world goes crazy.
wtf?

*looks at jenn*
u make me laff. i love the vids u use to enhance your points.
lol.

blkyoda hates reggie reg? whaaa? why? i guess i wasnt paying attention 2 him.

BP is canceled? What? aaargh. i have faith it'll be back. i'm not tripping. i've seen this movie before.  Flags of our fathers is still coming out, right?

As long as BP is being pushed in the main Marvel stories, i can live with that.  the more ppl see how cool BP is, then the more ppl will gravitate towards him.

RH is the biggest T'challa champion that I know of.  Once he stepped down, i know our time with a BP title was short, but i didnt know it would be THIS short.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 03, 2010, 03:31:12 pm
On the Doomwar front. As to the cell, I took it as meant for Magneto (who T'Challa had run ins with in the Priest series )or any mutant and the guy was just trying to mess with her head. I didn't see it as all as being for her. I also didn't see him "abandoning" her. He might have felt that way but what did he do? he didn't have the fire power to get her out, which meant taking down Doom so he enlisted help from her family.Her family.  One thing that has always been stressed about T'Challa from Yost's Storm mini to this--T'Challa NEVER asks for help. That's how Storm knew Shadow King still had control of him, but he dropped all pride all pretense, he went hat in hand to HER family. That says all there needs to be said about how he feels for her.

Agree totally and glad you picked up the subtlety of Storm's jailor's strategy.  These are fictional characters so there is more than enough room for different interpretations but in further support of T'Challa's feelings for Storm I'd like to point out that he did in fact choose Storm over his obligation to Wakanda when rescued from death by her and confronted with the choice of leaving her to sub for him in noble sacrifice or fighting with her against the hordes of undead.  He refused to leave of course even at Storm's urging and Neither he nor Storm had any idea of Shuri and Ramonda's plot to exchange Morlun for them.

Peace,

Mont

Ah! I totally agree with the whole Storm and T'challa in the death dimension comment. T'challa stood by his wife (and she stood by him) and was totally against the idea of her being sacrificed for any reason despite her willingness to do so. T'challa was a man protecting his family here and she was every bit as committed as he in protecting him. Whatever the outcome of that situation, they were in it together. Both halves of the marriage made that abundantly clear. That was a very well written story.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 03:49:34 pm
RH is the biggest T'challa champion that I know of. 

Dwayne McDuffie would be a helluva writer as well. He'd give this marriage the attention - and the RESPECT - that it deserves.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 03, 2010, 04:02:29 pm
RH is the biggest T'challa champion that I know of. 

Dwayne McDuffie would be a helluva writer as well. He'd give this marriage the attention - and the RESPECT - that it deserves.

i agree. i'd love for him to write the royal couple again. just match him up with a really good artist.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 03, 2010, 04:50:29 pm
I finished DW#1 and I definitely don't feel that Maberry's writing was the cause for the probable cancellation of BP. It was a great opening. Maberry has a good handle on political angles and in constructing a dense plot with a lot of stuff going on. Though I can perhaps see some of his detractors' points (hopefully I'm not misconstruing their points) about Storm not being much of a factor in the opening round, I don't see that as necessarily being an indication that she will remain that way all the way through. Doom, in his arrogance, has already released her and I expect that there'll at least be a money shot of her getting just revenge on him sometime during the series, if its allowed to continue.

I also like that at least Wolverine puts out there that T'Challa threw Storm under the bus. It's something that's out there, on the table, and hopefully Storm and T'Challa will have a conversation about his methods. Doesn't mean she has to be an argument, but I would like for her to question him, him to explain himself, and then let the situation develop from there. I just don't want everything to just go unspoken or return back to the way it was...if the series continues that is. There needs to be some type of repercussions if its nothing more than a conversation.

As for the Desturi there doesn't seem to be enough sugar mixed with the vinegar so I don't see their coup lasting long. Though I hope that the Desturi remain as potential villains in future BP storylines. Same with The Broker.

Never hated Shuri and I liked her quite a bit in DW #1. She was pretty hardass. I just wish that RH/JM/Marvel had built her up more, making her a legitimate hero in her own right, before passing the BP mantle to her.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Blanks on March 03, 2010, 07:08:23 pm
The usage of Shuri in this latest run of the Panther and as well of Doomwar issue 1, has made me appreciate the creation of her character by Reggie. However, throughout the entire 42 issues of the last volume, I really could have cared less for her character, even in her shining moment during the last arch before the Secret Invasion. If anything, Mayberry made me care about Shuri during the last 6 issues of the latest Panther volume. So kudos to the both of them for creating and defining a new character for the Panther mythos. Despite whoever may be returning to the book as lead writer in the future, I have enjoyed the run for what it was. Somethings could have been done differently, but overall, I'm fine. I've enjoyed what Reggie brought to the table for BP. No other writer at Marvel, over the years have bothered to use BP at all, in any other book really. How many guest appearances or team-ups, when they could have easily used the Panther without really interrupting Reggie's run? Not that many, that I have counted.

The Storm issue is a long, tired old debate now in my eyes. I'm not to much of an X-fan, and of what little that I do like of X-Men, Storm is one of my least favorite X-Men. Her addition to the X-books, while it may have brought some X-fans over into the book to see what the hell is going on, I'm sure that her involvement into the Panther mythos did exactly what Marvel and Reggie wanted it to do, draw attention to the Panther. Both good and bad.  That being said, I really, really don't care about Storm. Never have. Even in the X-books, the writers couldn't to anything to make her interesting for me. At least in the Panther book, she got 'screen time', cause she wasn't really getting any in an X-Men book. So a lot of people, mostly X-men or Storm fans are pissed about her usage both in an X-book, or in the Panther book. I'm good either way, since I am not a true Storm fan. I have enjoyed what her inclusion to the Panther book has done, by expanding the mythos.

I've enjoyed this run, and as well as the last volume. Its been a fun ride, even with all the ups and downs. I just want more Panther. Bring me more Black Panther dammit!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 03, 2010, 07:14:58 pm
Well I have seen this news spread to other forums, even the marvel.com boards.  Marvel isn't doing anything to quell this news/rumor. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: JRCarter on March 03, 2010, 07:16:42 pm
Well, I posed the question to that assistant editor. This is what he had to say:

http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1579113&postcount=1687
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 07:31:19 pm
Gee, THAT helped. What's going on, Marvel? Why not just take the BP subs and transfer them to Doomwar if they wanted to be this secretive? "BP could totally be coming back, based on what happens w/Doomwar. In the meantime...have some DAREDEVIL!!!" Yeah, that totally sets my mind at ease!!!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on March 03, 2010, 08:06:54 pm
I've got it.

Doom is obviously being groomed as the force of evil in the new Heroic Age. Marvel has a few renegades/anti-heroes running around but none with the power of the Earth's most advanced civilization.

Shuri dies at the hand of Doom. T'Challa vows vengeance and starts pointing fingers at people like Stark and even Rogers about Doom's rise to power.

We get X-Men featuring the Black Panther for a few arcs combined with his being a focal point challenging the Avengers.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: MKG on March 03, 2010, 08:27:00 pm
Good! Should kept Hudlin and Lash on that bastard! They left the art and the writing wasn't the same. The artwork looked like Jenn's feet and the book went to hell. Hudlin writing is the reason i picked this sh*t back up!


Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: bluezulu on March 03, 2010, 08:29:11 pm
Wow, sorry guys. Had class tonight. Operations Management. Great stuff. Anyway. As mod of this forum let me share:

I was two short hairs from deleting every blkyoda post. I mean his agenda was clear and it is a bitch move on his part. I disagree with Jenn's approach but she has for the most part been on point...more or less.

I have stopped buying this series two issues into J.M. run. My plan was to buy it in trade. As stated earlier I disagreed with moving Tchalla away from the b.p. mantle, for the reason that there are not that many solo lead black characters to ditch them. We had a strong lead in this book. Storm. The marriage and both characters were succeeded in what Reggie has set to do from the beginning (read the vision) make black characters that do us proud in the comic realm. I love J.M.'s enthusiasm for this character, however I said a while back if you have two writers and for just argument sake both were of relative equal ability the black writer would get the black character and in this case black relationship better. Why? Who has an advantage as a writer? Research and ability does go a long way but what Reggie can do in his sleep another non-black writer would have to work at. The marriage has been in trouble for a while. It is the little things that count towards authenticity.

I have kept my mouth closed for several reasons.

1) my position as a mod on a board about the black panther. I believe mods on other site should follow the mods example here. It's ok to s.t.f.u. sometimes. Learned it from Reg...thanks.
2) Black character, black talent...i support. I said this from the beginning. I understand those that disagree, but we are not represented like that out here. As long as the character or talent shows love and depicts us in a good light, I am going to support regardless if I agree/disagree with a creative direction. My brother says all the time when we debate sports "are you a fan right now or a fanatic?" Unless we talking about the falcons I am a fan usually lol.

Where we go from here. That is what you all should be asking right now. Marvel is probably watching.


Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: bluezulu on March 03, 2010, 08:30:15 pm
Damn yall stop with the personal sh*t.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on March 03, 2010, 08:34:20 pm
Lashley's work was really dynamic. I hope he gets pu on an action oriented title where his style can really shine through.

It would be a longshot but Lashley could step up and do THOR.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: MKG on March 03, 2010, 08:41:06 pm
Lashley's work was really dynamic. I hope he gets pu on an action oriented title where his style can really shine through.

It would be a longshot but Lashley could step up and do THOR.

Looking at the cats blog, hes looking towards creating his on characters! It's never about talent, but who you know.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 03, 2010, 08:45:04 pm
Shuri dies at the hand of Doom. T'Challa vows vengeance and starts pointing fingers at people like Stark and even Rogers about Doom's rise to power.

OH SWEET WHITE JESUS ON THE CRACKA ASS CROSS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. No more revenge stories. Widdle Baby T'Challa doesn't do revenge well. Every time he goes off, somebody winds up dead or damn near.

I will say, BZ, that I don't think race has anything to do w/this book's failure. One need not be a black man to know not to sh*t on a black marriage. Aaron, Yost, hell, even Chris "Skeet Skeetin' Storm" Claremont wouldn't have pulled this kind of stunt. The marriage has only been in "trouble" because that's the way JM wrote it. In Hudlin's last run, Storm sacrificed her life for her husband, who STILL refused to leave her side (even when she asked him to). Under JM, he casually tosses her to the dogs like she's nothing. That's MABERRY'S fault. I'm sure Marvel didn't tell him to pull that sh*t.

At night, when the Panther God is asleep and they're lying in bed alone and in the dark, Ororo holds T'Challa, not the other way around. SHE is the one T'Challa needs to fulfill his destiny, or have we all forgotten that?  Ororo is just here because she loves him. If and when Ororo leaves T'Challa, she'll have no shortage of arms to go to. T'Challa, on the other hand, will be a complete failure as a husband and a king in the eyes of the Panther God, his family, and his entire country. Whoever takes up the BP title next would do well to keep that in the back of his or her mind. Storm is not a card to be played. She is not a pawn in T'Challa's little games. She is, and should always be, number one in his life. Because without Ororo, T'Challa has no future.

(For those who wonder why I speak of Storm and not T'Challa, it's because JM has so utterly destroyed T'Challa in my eyes that he no longer exists. It is the main reason for my glee behind the death of the title. Sure, we may get stuck with JM and his one-hand writing approach for a long time, but I'll bet this wakes his he-man wimmin-hatin' ass up just a bit.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: bluezulu on March 03, 2010, 08:48:55 pm
At night, when the Panther God is asleep and they're lying in bed alone and in the dark, Ororo holds T'Challa, not the other way around. SHE is the one T'Challa needs to fulfill his destiny, or have we all forgotten that?  Ororo is just here because she loves him. If and when Ororo leaves T'Challa, she'll have no shortage of arms to go to. T'Challa, on the other hand, will be a complete failure as a husband and a king in the eyes of the Panther God, his family, and his entire country. Whoever takes up the BP title next would do well to keep that in the back of his or her mind. Storm is not a card to be played. She is not a pawn in T'Challa's little games. She is, and should always be, number one in his life. Because without Ororo, T'Challa has no future.


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The reason why it is good to have at least one women's perspective in the comic forum. Good point.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: stanleyballard on March 03, 2010, 09:43:40 pm
Here's hoping that the sells of DoomWar breaks records and that it demands the return of Black Panther - it's ultimately Marvel's fault that BP has not been strongly marketed throughout the decades while they allowed Deadpool to have several books at the same time.  While BP represents the potential that Marvel had many years ago that has yet to be fulfilled.....there are so many different ways that the character could have been promoted if there was some executive who wanted to advertise King T'Challa.  Maberry did a fine job on the first issue and Eaton stuck his foot in the mix to bump up the entire production to a level that makes this the best event at Marvel right now (here's to 5 more issues of high end story telling).
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on March 03, 2010, 09:48:03 pm
Shuri dies at the hand of Doom. T'Challa vows vengeance and starts pointing fingers at people like Stark and even Rogers about Doom's rise to power.

OH SWEET WHITE JESUS ON THE CRACKA ASS CROSS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. No more revenge stories. Widdle Baby T'Challa doesn't do revenge well. Every time he goes off, somebody winds up dead or damn near.

Venegeance! Vengeance! and more VENGEANCE!

BLACK PANTHER: VENGEANCE 2011!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 03, 2010, 10:20:14 pm
Shuri dies at the hand of Doom. T'Challa vows vengeance and starts pointing fingers at people like Stark and even Rogers about Doom's rise to power.

OH SWEET WHITE JESUS ON THE CRACKA ASS CROSS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. No more revenge stories. Widdle Baby T'Challa doesn't do revenge well. Every time he goes off, somebody winds up dead or damn near.

I will say, BZ, that I don't think race has anything to do w/this book's failure. One need not be a black man to know not to sh*t on a black marriage. Aaron, Yost, hell, even Chris "Skeet Skeetin' Storm" Claremont wouldn't have pulled this kind of stunt. The marriage has only been in "trouble" because that's the way JM wrote it. In Hudlin's last run, Storm sacrificed her life for her husband, who STILL refused to leave her side (even when she asked him to). Under JM, he casually tosses her to the dogs like she's nothing. That's MABERRY'S fault. I'm sure Marvel didn't tell him to pull that sh*t.

At night, when the Panther God is asleep and they're lying in bed alone and in the dark, Ororo holds T'Challa, not the other way around. SHE is the one T'Challa needs to fulfill his destiny, or have we all forgotten that?  Ororo is just here because she loves him. If and when Ororo leaves T'Challa, she'll have no shortage of arms to go to. T'Challa, on the other hand, will be a complete failure as a husband and a king in the eyes of the Panther God, his family, and his entire country. Whoever takes up the BP title next would do well to keep that in the back of his or her mind. Storm is not a card to be played. She is not a pawn in T'Challa's little games. She is, and should always be, number one in his life. Because without Ororo, T'Challa has no future.

(For those who wonder why I speak of Storm and not T'Challa, it's because JM has so utterly destroyed T'Challa in my eyes that he no longer exists. It is the main reason for my glee behind the death of the title. Sure, we may get stuck with JM and his one-hand writing approach for a long time, but I'll bet this wakes his he-man wimmin-hatin' ass up just a bit.)

lol
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jay on March 04, 2010, 03:52:58 pm
Here's hoping that the sells of DoomWar breaks records and that it demands the return of Black Panther - it's ultimately Marvel's fault that BP has not been strongly marketed throughout the decades while they allowed Deadpool to have several books at the same time.  While BP represents the potential that Marvel had many years ago that has yet to be fulfilled.....there are so many different ways that the character could have been promoted if there was some executive who wanted to advertise King T'Challa.  Maberry did a fine job on the first issue and Eaton stuck his foot in the mix to bump up the entire production to a level that makes this the best event at Marvel right now (here's to 5 more issues of high end story telling).

While Doomwars is good. I'm not sure if it going to beat Siege. (at least in sells)

As for being marketed. How do you market an African Super Hero?  ???


I maybe wrong, but I think that Deadpool's popularity just happened.  :-\
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Wakandan561 on March 04, 2010, 06:02:54 pm



I maybe wrong, but I think that Deadpool's popularity just happened.  :-\
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Deadpools popularity happened because of Wolverine Orgins, combined with the fact that he all of sudden just started showing up in EVERYBODYS BOOK, on top of getting two books for himself, Those are the two things that BP needs, he needs a movie cameo, and then after that he needs to be making guest appearances all over the Marvel U in everybodys book, so people realize what a good chracter he is, when was the Last time he showed up in Spider-man, or X-men, he was in the Hulk but they made him look really weak.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 04, 2010, 06:30:07 pm
Deadpool has been popular long before Wolverine Origins.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on March 04, 2010, 06:47:39 pm
BLADE is an extremely popular character;  but he can't sustain a series.  That says more about the comic book market than it does the character.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Francisco on March 04, 2010, 07:20:59 pm
Blade would easily maintain his own series if they had him doing cool stuff. But as long as they have him;
Chewing off his own hand instead of busting off supposedly unbreakable chains,
getting shot by regular cops,
getting his ass kicked by other heroes,
having head box and looking like a 50 year old uncle,
of course he would never sustain his own series. ::)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 04, 2010, 07:40:28 pm
ah let's face it, right now, comics don't sell well become of the comic book characters.  They sell because of the creative team far more often than the characters.   If Bendis writes, it's popular; if Johns writes, it's popular.  (GL was never this popular of a title; but put Johns on it and it sells better.)  We are in the era where popularity is more about who is writing and who is drawing, than the characters.  And how people become these fan favorites don't necessarily have anything to do with quality.  (Some are, but some quality writers/artists are ignored.)

Reggie and JM can produce the highest quality stuff on the market, but unless fans deem them "fan-favorites" they will never given BPa fair shake.  Marvel won't market it properly.  And that can suck.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jay on March 04, 2010, 07:52:39 pm
The comic book market. White power rings beat Black power rings. hmmm

I wonder if there's suppose to be some meaning in that  ::)

I would like to see a Patriot comic. Maybe it's time for Ed Burbank to give Captain America a new side kick or something.  :P
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 04, 2010, 08:00:16 pm
having head box and looking like a 50 year old uncle,

What's wrong with that?

Signed,
Patrick Ewing

PS: Yeah! Regards, Larry Blackmon
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: JLI Jesse on March 04, 2010, 08:05:59 pm
The comic book market. White power rings beat Black power rings. hmmm

I wonder if there's suppose to be some meaning in that  ::)

I would like to see a Patriot comic. Maybe it's time for Ed Burbank to give Captain America a new side kick or something.  :P

And why are kids afraid of the dark and not the light?  God damn racists!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: JRCarter on March 04, 2010, 09:30:32 pm
having head box and looking like a 50 year old uncle,


What's wrong with that?

Signed,
Patrick Ewing

PS: Yeah! Regards, Larry Blackmon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PYch68rdCY
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 04, 2010, 09:57:06 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2wdy636.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on March 05, 2010, 01:03:06 am
having head box and looking like a 50 year old uncle,


What's wrong with that?

Signed,
Patrick Ewing

PS: Yeah! Regards, Larry Blackmon


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PYch68rdCY[/url]

Christ!  Never saw that!  I blew a snot bubble of laughter.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 05, 2010, 02:50:47 am
BLADE is an extremely popular character;  but he can't sustain a series.  That says more about the comic book market than it does the character.

I'm not quite so sure about that. As others have pointed out, there are a lot of factors in why Blade and other popular characters can't keep books. The creative team is one, but for Blade, I think Marvel has had a hard time reconciling the Blade from the movies, which is the more popular incarnation, with the comic Blade. They've tried to awkwardly create a composite Blade that doesn't quite seem to satisfy anyone. I would also agree that the latest Blade series, not MI13, didn't do Blade many favors either.

I give them credit for trying to tie Blade into the Marvel U. I liked the first issue when he took out a SHIELD helicarrier, but then they did have him doing some stupid things. Didn't care for the gun or wooden stake replacing his hand, and I didn't care for making Lucas Cross his father, though I liked Cross. And I didn't like how they made Dracula look like he was coming or going to Studio 54 in like the last issue. There were some creative misteps with the book, though I enjoyed Cross and Draconis and would like to see these villains return in a future Blade storyline, albeit Cross not being Blade's father.

I would love for them to give him another MAX series but based a bit more on the movie version, with Whistler, the vampire Houses, etc., and probably just a sprinkling of the comic book stuff with other monsters and demons and stuff. But keep him away from the main Marvel U. He doesn't really fit in there. However, I did like his stint on MI13 and his relationship with Spitfire, so maybe there is something of a place for him there. Because I wouldn't mind seeing him and Spitfire in a series or a miniseries. With Blade its ironic that someone mentioned Geoff Johns because he was one of the creative forces behind Blade the Series, which didn't do the character many favors in terms of development. I like Johns but I haven't seen much evidence that he seems interested in writing black heroes. John Stewart is a sullen, though kickass cipher, in the Blackest Night storyline, and Johns' Blade yielded the floor too the much fairer-skinned Krista, an entirely new character.

I also agree that Deadpool has been popular for quite some time. Never got the appeal really, but I guess he's supposed to be a wiseacre killing machine-oh wait, now I see the appeal. Even though I'm still not a fan. And he's been heavily promoted for quite some time, and especially during the Wolverine Origins movie.

As for DoomWar not beating Siege, if it did I think Marvel would have a conniption. It's not supposed to. Compare how Siege has been advertised as opposed to DoomWar which hasn't gotten much cross promotion at all. I might be wrong but the only "Prelude" banners I saw were over the BP books. It would've been nice to add them to the X-books, Deadpool, and FF books to let those fans know that a big event was going down. Also there could've been more advertisements in other books, posters, a free DW #0 setting up the event and explaining the key players, etc. I doubt DW will outsell Fall of the Hulks surely not because of quality but because of lack of promotion by Marvel.

It's quite ironic, and another symbol of how 'post-racial' we have become that its harder to market an African hero than a green one like Hulk, a god like Thor, or an alien like Superman. I think the way to do it is to first revamp BP's rogues's gallery-Johns' got major buzz on Flash for doing this, and RH and JM were in the process of doing that with Morlun and Dr. Doom, and then continue tying Wakanda to the major events in Marvel. If Wakanda is the most powerful nation on Earth there should be more action taking place there. And adding more Wakandan heroes to teams and referencing Wakanda and using Wakanda technology more, and stuff like that to get the idea in people's heads, are some ways I think could help get BP more notice.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 05, 2010, 07:03:49 am
I like Johns but I haven't seen much evidence that he seems interested in writing black heroes. John Stewart is a sullen, though kickass cipher, in the Blackest Night storyline, and Johns' Blade yielded the floor too the much fairer-skinned Krista, an entirely new character.

In Geoff Johns defense he did some great work with the Mr Terrific character in JSA and he also did a great job of writing Black Panther in his short stint on The Avengers. I just think Geoff Johns doesn't give sh*t about John Stewart and tends to write around the character.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 05, 2010, 07:46:55 am
I think any character can carry a book depending on whom the writer is. If Bendis did a Blade book the book would sell, if someone else were doing Spider Woman--I doubt it would make it. Fraction on Iron Fist sold--the next guy didn't. I think the Panther could sell or more to the point the Panther/Storm could sell. But it couldn't be the book we were getting in BP. Too often we ask can a black hero sell when the real  issue is can someone please write a black hero well enough to sell. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: JLI Jesse on March 05, 2010, 08:50:12 am
I like Johns but I haven't seen much evidence that he seems interested in writing black heroes. John Stewart is a sullen, though kickass cipher, in the Blackest Night storyline, and Johns' Blade yielded the floor too the much fairer-skinned Krista, an entirely new character.

In Geoff Johns defense he did some great work with the Mr Terrific character in JSA and he also did a great job of writing Black Panther in his short stint on The Avengers. I just think Geoff Johns doesn't give sh*t about John Stewart and tends to write around the character.

I agree.  Mr. Terrific was the leader of the JSA for over half of Johns' run.  He made a guy with no real power but his intellect become one of the heavy hitters of the team.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Francisco on March 05, 2010, 08:54:09 am
having head box and looking like a 50 year old uncle,

What's wrong with that?

Signed,
Patrick Ewing

PS: Yeah! Regards, Larry Blackmon
There's nothing wrong with that it's just that it won't sell comic books.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 05, 2010, 09:41:09 am
I'm not all that impressed with Geoff Johns, he did ZERO with John Stewart in what three years? I'm glad he was taken away from him and put in GL Corp.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jay on March 05, 2010, 10:58:02 am
I think that Geoff Johns probably just doesn't like John Stewart. I think he writes beautifully for most characters. However, if the writer just doesn't like a character then we're not going to see much done with said character.

Case in Point, did all the Heroes and Villains who died in Ultimatum on Bendis's bad list?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2010, 01:47:32 pm
He should not choose Wakanda over Storm because that is his wife and family. I think it was unnecessary to begin with. I think T'challa over-dramatized this whole thing with "making a choice between wife and country." The Desturi's goal is not to destroy Wakanda or the Wakandan people, but to gain power politically and overthrow the ruling family. Doom is using them as a distraction as his goal is not to immediately attack Wakanda via an overt, hostile takeover. Doom's approach is subtle and Wakanda was not in any immediate danger from either Doom or the Desturi. He should have chosen to save Storm and then the two of them along with Shuri could have concocted a plan to get Wakanda back. I mean, how did he save his country anyway in letting Storm take the fall? She would have been prepared for the trap and would not be in the situation she's currently in. Its not as if somebody had their hand on a button that would have blown the country up if he didn't allow her to fall into Doom's and Desturi's trap. Heck, he could have flown to the X-Men HQ on his own, talked to the White Queen and had her telepathically warn Storm from across the world of the situation. Storm could feigned ignorance of the Desturi and Doom plots. Heck, this would have given T'challa a tactical edge as now he has an inside person, Storm. Doom would be unaware of how much Ororo knows and he would have understimated her givingT'challa's team an edge. Against the likes of Doom, you need every edge you can get.

As J.M. said a gazillion times,my brutha Rutog,95% of your questions are thoroughly answered in the Doomwar#1. And answered WELL.Seriously.And I concur about TChalla perhaps overdramatizing some aspects of Ororo's danger.He would NEVER be as flippant as Jenn (who was deliberately using hyperbole,I hope) suggested with that whole..."eff that b**ch" flava comment anyway when he said that he chose his country--Wakanda--over his wife,Storm.

Let me tell you something else that I hypothesize and surmise about Ororo's personality that can perhaps reconcile the difference between the groups who think that Storm would expect TChalla to choose her over Wakanda because she expected TChalla to give up being BP for her.To me,the answer is immediately obvious and simple:

1.ORORO WOULD EXPECT TCHALLA TO GIVE UP BEING BP FOR HER AND TCHALLA LIKELY WOULD DO SUCH A THING IF IT PROVED TO HER HIS LOVE FOR HER.

2. NEVER EVER EEEVER WOULD ORORO EXPECT TCHALLA TO CHOOSE HER OVER WAKANDA BECAUSE DOING SO COULD MEAN THE DEATH OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS,SOMETHING THAT SHE FINDS PERMANENTLY REPREHENSIBLE,UNACCEPTABLE AND DESPICABLE.She would hate TChalla for making such a choice and be wracked by guilt and remorse of a truly intense nature every second of her life thereafter,if such a choice were to be made.I think that WORLDS APART explored thoroughly this matter and reconciled any disparate shards within the heart and mind of Ororo.We fans of Storm should do likewise.TChalla knows these things of his wife and Queen quite well and therefore would HONOR HER WISHES by NOT choosing her over Wakanda.

Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 05, 2010, 02:03:20 pm
He should not choose Wakanda over Storm because that is his wife and family. I think it was unnecessary to begin with. I think T'challa over-dramatized this whole thing with "making a choice between wife and country." The Desturi's goal is not to destroy Wakanda or the Wakandan people, but to gain power politically and overthrow the ruling family. Doom is using them as a distraction as his goal is not to immediately attack Wakanda via an overt, hostile takeover. Doom's approach is subtle and Wakanda was not in any immediate danger from either Doom or the Desturi. He should have chosen to save Storm and then the two of them along with Shuri could have concocted a plan to get Wakanda back. I mean, how did he save his country anyway in letting Storm take the fall? She would have been prepared for the trap and would not be in the situation she's currently in. Its not as if somebody had their hand on a button that would have blown the country up if he didn't allow her to fall into Doom's and Desturi's trap. Heck, he could have flown to the X-Men HQ on his own, talked to the White Queen and had her telepathically warn Storm from across the world of the situation. Storm could feigned ignorance of the Desturi and Doom plots. Heck, this would have given T'challa a tactical edge as now he has an inside person, Storm. Doom would be unaware of how much Ororo knows and he would have understimated her givingT'challa's team an edge. Against the likes of Doom, you need every edge you can get.

As J.M. said a gazillion times,my brutha Rutog,95% of your questions are thoroughly answered in the Doomwar#1. And answered WELL.Seriously.And I concur about TChalla perhaps overdramatizing some aspects of Ororo's danger.He would NEVER be as flippant as Jenn (who was deliberately using hyperbole,I hope) suggested with that whole..."eff that b**ch" flava comment anyway when he said that he chose his country--Wakanda--over his wife,Storm.

Let me tell you something else that I hypothesize and surmise about Ororo's personality that can perhaps reconcile the difference between the groups who think that Storm would expect TChalla to choose her over Wakanda because she expected TChalla to give up being BP for her.To me,the answer is immediately obvious and simple:

1.ORORO WOULD EXPECT TCHALLA TO GIVE UP BEING BP FOR HER AND TCHALLA LIKELY WOULD DO SUCH A THING IF IT PROVED TO HER HIS LOVE FOR HER.

2. NEVER EVER EEEVER WOULD ORORO EXPECT TCHALLA TO CHOOSE HER OVER WAKANDA BECAUSE DOING SO COULD MEAN THE DEATH OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS,SOMETHING THAT SHE FINDS PERMANENTLY REPREHENSIBLE,UNACCEPTABLE AND DESPICABLE.She would hate TChalla for making such a choice and be wracked by guilt and remorse of a truly intense nature every second of her life thereafter,if such a choice were to be made.I think that WORLDS APART explored thoroughly this matter and reconciled any disparate shards within the heart and mind of Ororo.We fans of Storm should do likewise.TChalla knows these things of his wife and Queen quite well and therefore would HONOR HER WISHES by NOT choosing her over Wakanda.

Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.

Excellent points.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 05, 2010, 02:05:51 pm
The nanite issue has another consider for the whole "wife vs country" argument.    He knows she is an X-men.  That means it is very possible that she will be in situations where the signal would be blocked and would explode, killing her. Her powers could block the signal.  Shoot, there probably places in the Wakanda, especially in the palace that would jam the signal, killing her.

And it still doesn't explain why he didn't try to reach her thru a telepath, especially a mystic type.

(Besides, Reed would have solved the problem in 24 hrs.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2010, 02:12:53 pm
The nanite issue has another consider for the whole "wife vs country" argument.    He knows she is an X-men.  That means it is very possible that she will be in situations where the signal would be blocked and would explode, killing her. Her powers could block the signal.  Shoot, there probably places in the Wakanda, especially in the palace that would jam the signal, killing her.

And it still doesn't explain why he didn't try to reach her thru a telepath, especially a mystic type.

(Besides, Reed would have solved the problem in 24 hrs.)

Doom is a mage of such stature that he might have been the next Sorcerer Supreme had Doctor Voodoo not beaten him out for the spot.I wouldn't've tried either the mystic or telepathic route (unless the telepath was Prof X) because DOOM himself would be expecting such a manuever and would have traps set for TCHALLA should he try such a thing.Unless I could get my hands on Doctor Jericho Drumm,Doctor Strange or Professor X,I wouldn't even DAY DREAM of it.And remember...LOKI IS WITH DOOM.I would stay far away from magic communication that could have lethal consequences for my country and wife if I were to do battle with Doom.I would use magic in only the most unconventional self empowering ways that would be safest for my country,family and wife.But that's me.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 05, 2010, 02:33:05 pm
The nanite issue has another consider for the whole "wife vs country" argument.    He knows she is an X-men.  That means it is very possible that she will be in situations where the signal would be blocked and would explode, killing her. Her powers could block the signal.  Shoot, there probably places in the Wakanda, especially in the palace that would jam the signal, killing her.

And it still doesn't explain why he didn't try to reach her thru a telepath, especially a mystic type.

(Besides, Reed would have solved the problem in 24 hrs.)

Ehh considering that the friend T'Challa was talking about that he was working is obviously Reed, and that they still haven't figured it out it's safe to say that Reed wouldn't have solved anything in 24 hours.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2010, 02:36:34 pm
The nanite issue has another consider for the whole "wife vs country" argument.    He knows she is an X-men.  That means it is very possible that she will be in situations where the signal would be blocked and would explode, killing her. Her powers could block the signal.  Shoot, there probably places in the Wakanda, especially in the palace that would jam the signal, killing her.

And it still doesn't explain why he didn't try to reach her thru a telepath, especially a mystic type.

(Besides, Reed would have solved the problem in 24 hrs.)

Ehh considering that the friend T'Challa was talking about that he was working is obviously Reed, and that they still haven't figured it out it's safe to say that Reed wouldn't have solved anything in 24 hours.

Taaadow!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 05, 2010, 02:54:26 pm
It isn't his wife.  If that was Sue with Nannites, he'd solve it in 24 hrs.  Since it is Storm, he is dealing with it and 50 other things.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2010, 03:08:14 pm
It isn't his wife.  If that was Sue with Nannites, he'd solve it in 24 hrs.  Since it is Storm, he is dealing with it and 50 other things.

Okay I can see a little of that.I still think that Reed would due this as quickly as possible due to the danger that DOOM and THE CABAL represent.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 05, 2010, 03:27:33 pm
Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.

Okay, holdup...we say T'Challa made the locks to the vibranium vault right?  the first set are normal, anyone could break them, the second requires magic, doom's expertise, after that it needs to be picked by a master thief-storm.  It makes me believe (and others have commented on this) that maybe the last lock is also tailor made for a specific person.  So if all these checks need to be made in order to open the vault, does that mean T'Challa in fact wants Doom to get the vibranium?  What rabbit is he going to pull out of his hat?  Some classic Priest stuff right there  :o

Edit:  And if that is the case, as well as we know T'Challa, he isn't going for a simple "win," I think we're moving into some scary ass 'lose your soul for a revenge victory' type of thing.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2010, 03:30:17 pm
Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.

Okay, holdup...we say T'Challa made the locks to the vibranium vault right?  the first set are normal, anyone could break them, the second requires magic, doom's expertise, after that it needs to be picked by a master thief-storm.  It makes me believe (and others have commented on this) that maybe the last lock is also tailor made for a specific person.  So if all these checks need to be made in order to open the vault, does that mean T'Challa in fact wants Doom to get the vibranium?  What rabbit is he going to pull out of his hat?  Some classic Priest stuff right there  :o

Booby-trapped vibranium.I'm thinking that TCHALLA could unleash some stuff on DOOM vibranium-wise that DOOM's unaware of.But it won't show--if our guess is right--until say ish 5 or 6.Cuz DOOM is straight MOPPIN FOO'S rightaboutnow and up until then.And maaaan I liked cool Uncle T'Syan!! He was SOOO COOOOL!! Like: "yeah,when I'm in my 60's? that's what I'm gonna look like" cool.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 05, 2010, 03:35:17 pm
Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.

Okay, holdup...we say T'Challa made the locks to the vibranium vault right?  the first set are normal, anyone could break them, the second requires magic, doom's expertise, after that it needs to be picked by a master thief-storm.  It makes me believe (and others have commented on this) that maybe the last lock is also tailor made for a specific person.  So if all these checks need to be made in order to open the vault, does that mean T'Challa in fact wants Doom to get the vibranium?  What rabbit is he going to pull out of his hat?  Some classic Priest stuff right there  :o

Booby-trapped vibranium.I'm thinking that TCHALLA could unleash some stuff on DOOM vibranium-wise that DOOM's unaware of.But it won't show--if our guess is right--until say ish 5 or 6.Cuz DOOM is straight MOPPIN FOO'S rightaboutnow and up until then.And maaaan I liked cool Uncle T'Syan!! He was SOOO COOOOL!! Like: "yeah,when I'm in my 60's? that's what I'm gonna look like" cool.

Yeah man, I hear you, I was really sad to see him go (but not in an angry way).  At least he went out as a hero. 

And i don' think this is the case, but remember in WWH, and later in Avengers: Initiative when the Scrulls were going to send all of America into the negative zone?  What if its something crazy like that, where he wants to wipe out latveria or at least castle von doom?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 05, 2010, 03:37:11 pm
Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.

Okay, holdup...we say T'Challa made the locks to the vibranium vault right?  the first set are normal, anyone could break them, the second requires magic, doom's expertise, after that it needs to be picked by a master thief-storm.  It makes me believe (and others have commented on this) that maybe the last lock is also tailor made for a specific person.  So if all these checks need to be made in order to open the vault, does that mean T'Challa in fact wants Doom to get the vibranium?  What rabbit is he going to pull out of his hat?  Some classic Priest stuff right there  :o

Booby-trapped vibranium.I'm thinking that TCHALLA could unleash some stuff on DOOM vibranium-wise that DOOM's unaware of.But it won't show--if our guess is right--until say ish 5 or 6.Cuz DOOM is straight MOPPIN FOO'S rightaboutnow and up until then.And maaaan I liked cool Uncle T'Syan!! He was SOOO COOOOL!! Like: "yeah,when I'm in my 60's? that's what I'm gonna look like" cool.

Yeah man, I hear you, I was really sad to see him go (but not in an angry way).  At least he went out as a hero. 

And i don' think this is the case, but remember in WWH, and later in Avengers: Initiative when the Scrulls were going to send all of America into the negative zone?  What if its something crazy like that, where he wants to wipe out latveria or at least castle von doom?

I think that Uncle T'Syan was sold short regarding his fighting ability.He should've been able to handle the guards of the Desturi.He's a former BP after all,and he was doing well against Klaw until he got his leg shot off.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 05, 2010, 03:40:04 pm
Besides,I'm uh quote PRIEST ERA BP and say that Ororo "was never in danger" in the first place because TCHALLA simply got it like that.DOOM is more interested in getting the vibranium than killing Ororo,and TCHALLA knows it.DOOM knows that TCHALLA knows,too.

Okay, holdup...we say T'Challa made the locks to the vibranium vault right?  the first set are normal, anyone could break them, the second requires magic, doom's expertise, after that it needs to be picked by a master thief-storm.  It makes me believe (and others have commented on this) that maybe the last lock is also tailor made for a specific person.  So if all these checks need to be made in order to open the vault, does that mean T'Challa in fact wants Doom to get the vibranium?  What rabbit is he going to pull out of his hat?  Some classic Priest stuff right there  :o

Booby-trapped vibranium.I'm thinking that TCHALLA could unleash some stuff on DOOM vibranium-wise that DOOM's unaware of.But it won't show--if our guess is right--until say ish 5 or 6.Cuz DOOM is straight MOPPIN FOO'S rightaboutnow and up until then.And maaaan I liked cool Uncle T'Syan!! He was SOOO COOOOL!! Like: "yeah,when I'm in my 60's? that's what I'm gonna look like" cool.

I'm still in denial about S'yan (I hope get up & is just knocked out..)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 05, 2010, 04:17:37 pm
The nanite issue has another consider for the whole "wife vs country" argument.    He knows she is an X-men.  That means it is very possible that she will be in situations where the signal would be blocked and would explode, killing her. Her powers could block the signal.  Shoot, there probably places in the Wakanda, especially in the palace that would jam the signal, killing her.

And it still doesn't explain why he didn't try to reach her thru a telepath, especially a mystic type.

(Besides, Reed would have solved the problem in 24 hrs.)

Doom is a mage of such stature that he might have been the next Sorcerer Supreme had Doctor Voodoo not beaten him out for the spot.I wouldn't've tried either the mystic or telepathic route (unless the telepath was Prof X) because DOOM himself would be expecting such a manuever and would have traps set for TCHALLA should he try such a thing.Unless I could get my hands on Doctor Jericho Drumm,Doctor Strange or Professor X,I wouldn't even DAY DREAM of it.And remember...LOKI IS WITH DOOM.I would stay far away from magic communication that could have lethal consequences for my country and wife if I were to do battle with Doom.I would use magic in only the most unconventional self empowering ways that would be safest for my country,family and wife.But that's me.

I had not thought of this angle. Maybe telepathy was not an option., I can recall Dr. STrange beating out Moondragon in a psychic duel. Doom was second only to Strange at one point. He knows that Ororo is around telepaths all the time and has telepathic friends. He may have been prepared for the eventuality of T'challa using a telepath and T'challa, considering this, may not have wanted to take the risk.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Naki on March 05, 2010, 04:17:56 pm
Yeah, I really wasn't sure if S'Yan was supposed to be dead or just injured. The family is small as hell, they really can't afford to have any one of them die. And if he's dead, what's really the point of his death? We haven't seen the man since Hudlin's last few issues and the first time we do, he's killed. What a waste of a perfectly good character. W'Kabi, Zuri, and now S'Yan. By the end of Doomwar, there won't be anyone left. Hell, there are too few African characters to be killing them off without a second thought.

Back to the nanites. If they were in the food and water supply, how is it that the DW and Zawari and his crew weren't affected? I know many people think the nanites were a stroke of genius, but I really disagree and the explanation provided was weak as dish water. Taken to its logical conclusion, there should've been no place and noone not infected, including T'Challa and Shuri.

Side note, Doom is a serious peeping Tom, rivaling the sexually deviant janitor or security guard who drills holes in the women's bathroom to take a peek (LOL).
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 05, 2010, 04:19:29 pm
I had not thought of this angle. Maybe telepathy was not an option., I can recall Dr. STrange beating out Moondragon in a psychic duel. Doom was second only to Strange at one point. He knows that Ororo is around telepaths all the time and has telepathic friends. He may have been prepared for the eventuality of T'challa using a telepath and T'challa, considering this, may not have wanted to take the risk.

Uh...yeah! Yeah, that's it! Exactly!

Signed,
J. Maberry
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 05, 2010, 04:23:11 pm
Side note, Doom is a serious peeping Tom, rivaling the sexually deviant janitor or security guard who drills holes in the women's bathroom to take a peek (LOL).

OMG wow, could totally see The Broker getting his rocks off like that hahahaha.

As for telepathy/psychics, is T'Challa aware of Emma being a member of the Cabal?  I can't remember if Namor actually mentioned if she was in it or not.  Also, does anybody know what Emma and Doom's relationship is like right now?  I'm wondering if Emma would go so far as to hamper T'Challa/Storm's efforts.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Naki on March 05, 2010, 04:28:17 pm
I had not thought of this angle. Maybe telepathy was not an option., I can recall Dr. STrange beating out Moondragon in a psychic duel. Doom was second only to Strange at one point. He knows that Ororo is around telepaths all the time and has telepathic friends. He may have been prepared for the eventuality of T'challa using a telepath and T'challa, considering this, may not have wanted to take the risk.

Uh...yeah! Yeah, that's it! Exactly!

Signed,
J. Maberry


Thats because the nanites were created, not to enhance the story, but to create tension in the marriage and a BP alliance with the siblings. They were used for the wrong reason and weren't even used correctly, IMO. I really think Maberry just didn't know what to do with Storm while trying to build up Shuri as the new BP. And what we got was well, I don't know what in the hell we got.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 05, 2010, 04:54:48 pm
And what we got was well, I don't know what in the hell we got.

Average HEFfa: OMG u hater OMG Mayberry iz da bestest he be off da hook yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo greatest book since da Bible n'sh*t!!!111ONEONEELEVENTYPEEPEE

Poster w/5th grade education: Er, how are both T'Challa AND Shuri unaffected?

HEFfa: Uh...

Poster: And why didn't T'Challa just contact any one of 40,000 telepaths that he knows?

HEFfa: Um...

Poster: And didn't we just read this storyline last year? Remember, when it was called X-Men: Worlds Apart?

HEFfa: D'uuuuuuuh...(20 minutes later) I like Black Panther DUN BER BER LEE

Poster: Yeeeeeeeah.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 05, 2010, 05:19:18 pm
I wrote this on the Doomwar thread but its relevant here:

Quote
I can well see why Mayberry made the choices he did. Storm is more powerful than the Black Panther (either one) so to keep the story focused on the main character you put the hyper-powerful character on the sidelines. The Star Wars books do this ALL THE TIME to Luke Skywalker. Most of the novels figure out ways to have Luke out of the way or unable to do anything until the middle chapters. Mayberry’s a novelist and is naturally inclined to write for the trades. If you take Power and Doomwar as 2 parts of a whole (which is how they read) Storm’s major involvement comes right in the middle “chapters” so to speak.   

I’m guessing his idea of pacing follows this pattern


At a guess..?

Mayberry Luke Skywalker'd Storm.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 05, 2010, 05:21:58 pm
Storm may be unleashed in 3, but remember, by issue 4, Doom has won every round.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: BBeeryan on March 05, 2010, 05:46:34 pm
Wait a minute. Did this mini just go to second print? LOL I'm so mad I didn't get mine yet. Not too much longer, 'Ro.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 05, 2010, 05:49:58 pm
Does anybody know if issue no. 2 has a variant?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: BBeeryan on March 05, 2010, 05:50:49 pm
I knew the book was on "hiatus" during Doomwar and like we all I was hoping it would regenerate interest in the book. So in my mail today was a copy of Dare Devil and a note from Marvel saying BP 12 would be the last issue of the series and the remaining issues would be transferred to DD. So that's it I guess, a wrap???!!! ???
Yeah I been meaning to ask this... Around the time WAP came out, was your subscription put on "hiatus"? What was the deal with that?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Tahdigga on March 08, 2010, 08:41:02 am
Huh...awww damn! Storm...BP...Wakanda, it can't end like this. :'(

(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/ladylight/Giveup.gif)

I'll wait until official word comes out. It would really suck if it's over though :(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 08, 2010, 09:06:40 am
I knew the book was on "hiatus" during Doomwar and like we all I was hoping it would regenerate interest in the book. So in my mail today was a copy of Dare Devil and a note from Marvel saying BP 12 would be the last issue of the series and the remaining issues would be transferred to DD. So that's it I guess, a wrap???!!! ???
Yeah I been meaning to ask this... Around the time WAP came out, was your subscription put on "hiatus"? What was the deal with that?


I got issue 12 and there wasn't anything said at the time. I ordered Doomwar from my online store just in case it wouldn't come under my subscription. Then around the time for regularly scheduled issue a BP the notice came.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: stanleyballard on March 08, 2010, 12:17:44 pm
Storm's power is on the omega mutant level and if Maberry played up all elements of her skills all the time then most of The Black Panther stories would not be used....that's a downside to including her in his book....on the same level in a different way as to why the XMen movies always took Professor Xavier out of the mix to make the story work...Storm is almost too powerful to have around and to credibly give The Black Panther a chance to shine.  Maberry successfully wrote this book in the last few issues when he had an uphill battle with undeveloped characters, a book that was losing sales and a storyline that was left for him to make a hit with comic fans across the board.  With the first Doom War issue selling out it appears that he has made noticeable steps in turning around the success of the book ....and gaining an underground following because comic book buyers respect his skill as a writer (as evidenced by threads on comic sites and a 16 minute review of the book on www.youtube.com).

An argument can be made either way in the handling of the nannites issue just like some comic fans compare the Black Panther & Storm marriage to The Bat Man marrying Wonder Woman (most of his villains could not really take her on either) - and you have to downplay the abilities of the powerful character to drive the story.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2010, 01:35:00 pm
^^^I agree. Also, I am not too hard on Maberry for the nannite angle. This is not the first time they have been used against Storm successfully as they have been used against Storm in other titles as well with success. Its just everytime they are used against her I always raise an eyebrow since I don't know how they can work on her. Her mutant metabolism generates a tremendous amount of electrical energy and she channels lightning from the environment through her body all the time as well. You'd think that trying to put any kind of tech inside of her would not work as it should be shorted out, neutralized, or destroyed or something. To boot, Storm has a heightened sense of self as seen when she was impregnated by a brood egg. She sensed that there was life within her and she was then able to probe within her own being and discern the origins of that life as being Brood. Then I can also recall Mojo and Spiral putting a whammy on the X-Men with magic and Storm, sensing a wrongness within herself, got up the strength of will to break the spell.

I don't make a big deal out of the nannite thing here and its something I can overlook as a minor blemish if the story is really good and Storm ends up shining. Overall, I think the story is going to be awesome and I think Storm is going to really come through. One of the positives I really liked about DoomWar issue 1 is Storm's strong-willed character started to come through when she addressed the court and later when she addressed Dr. Doom. I also liked the nod to her lockpicking abilities when she was in that cell. To be honest, if one is going to write the nannites successfully being used against her, then she would be more understanding about T'challa not warning her. To do this, her heightened sense of self and the protection against nannite tech that she should *likely* have because of the electrical forces in her body would have to be written out, however, as Stanley said, when you have uber powerful characterts like Storm sometimes this is what has to happen for the sake of telling a story. Even Chris Claremont would do this to Storm and Phoenix sometimes in stories. Who knows, maybe in a future story, these aspects of Storm will get played up.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2010, 02:48:27 pm
You know, I think some people are being too hard on Maberry. While there are certainly merits to some of the complaints regarding Storm's treatment in issues 7-12 (Eventhough she was infected with nannites, she was not aware of that. As such, she should have been proactive in learning the identity of T'challa's attacker and she should have confronted him on this regardless as to whether or not he would tell her. This should have caused some friction and drama which would have been fun to read), Maberry is new to writing Storm. She's not exactly the easiest character to write as she's very complex and has a complex powerset. IIRC, the T'challa/Ororo marriage issue sold around 63K. The issues following did have some awkwardness where Storm was concerned and the book lost a lot of readership. I can recall two issues that really stand out. The first being the issue where the duo went into space to meet the Inhumans. I know that I and other Storm fans were really looking forward to that story as we rarely see Storm in space and she has AWESOME powers when in space. Hudlin wrote her powerless in space as he was simply unaware of this aspect of her powers. The second being when the duo went to meet Namor. There was some oddness in Ororo's manner of speaking here and her own leadership abilities were not acknowledged as it should have been given the nature of the conversation. Many Storm fans came down very hard on him for this and gave up on the book. I can recall going on other message boards and telling them that Hudlin is committed to these characters and to give him a chance. He's just new to writing Storm. The more he wrote the character, the better portrayed she became. By issues 1-6 of the relaunch, many readers were clamoring saying, "This is the real Storm!" That said, on the issue of outer space, he and McDuffie worked together during the time the duo served membership on the FF. The FF arc was an outer space story and Storm was powerful there. It more than made up for the "Inhuman" issue of Black Panther where Storm was written powerless in space accidently.

Maberry did make a mistake with Storm's character in issues 7-12. She was too complacent, too accepting of T'challa ignoring her when she should have been on fire. However, I can see how this mistake can happen when a writer is new to the character. I can see Invisible Woman, Wasp or any number of women behaving like Storm did in 7-12 just suffering in silence as their husbands or lovers ignored them if faced with the same situation. Storm, however, is what I call the ultimate "claremontian woman". This is a woman who will not be denied. She's very, very strong and truly an indomitable force of nature. She's very passionate, proactive and ferociously formidable especially when backed in a corner. I can understand why T'challa did not share with her the stuff about Doom, but she was unaware of the circumstances that prevented him and should have acted accordingly. She should have gone at T'challa for this and it would have been an immoveable object meeting an unstoppable force. There should have been friction and drama galore in some of those scenes. If this had happened while Shuri did what she did and T'challa did what he did with Zawavari, it would have alleviated the complaints people are having about the book. All three characters would have shone like stars and Shuri would have still been developed as she has. Also, readership picked up on issue 7 when a new writer was announced, right? I think this move would have kept the new readership and probably inspired others to pick up the title as word of mouth got around about the drama that would have been going on in the book. I mean, just think about it. You'd have Shuri doing what she was doing, T'challa and Storm fighting as T'challa is getting those enhancements and preparing his secret army behind her back while Storm is conducting her own investigation into T'challa's attack behind his back and everyone else's. This whole thing is just one big mess and people LOVE mess. I know people would have loved to read something like this. I would bet dollars to donuts that the readership would have increased if this angle were taken and it would have been true to the nature of each character to behave like this. So, yes, I am aware of all of this when I remain optomistic about Maberry. I say to give him a chance dispite the drawbacks on issues 7-12 and he will deliver. The Storm we know and love started showing up in "DoomWar" #1. Maberry is sincere in delivering on all the characters including Storm. Give him a chance, and you will not regret it. This is my honest belief. "DoomWar" #1 sold out in my local comic store on day 1. Everybody is really excited about it.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 08, 2010, 05:36:43 pm
The Storm we know and love started showing up in "DoomWar" #1.

I heard about that. "Ooh, when my man gets back, you all are gonna GET IT!" Did she fold her arms and stomp her feet, too?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 08, 2010, 06:08:06 pm
I knew the book was on "hiatus" during Doomwar and like we all I was hoping it would regenerate interest in the book. So in my mail today was a copy of Dare Devil and a note from Marvel saying BP 12 would be the last issue of the series and the remaining issues would be transferred to DD. So that's it I guess, a wrap???!!! ???
Yeah I been meaning to ask this... Around the time WAP came out, was your subscription put on "hiatus"? What was the deal with that?

Okay what is "WAP"?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2010, 07:53:17 pm
The Storm we know and love started showing up in "DoomWar" #1.

I heard about that. "Ooh, when my man gets back, you all are gonna GET IT!" Did she fold her arms and stomp her feet, too?

I was bothered by the quote you just mentioned when I read the preview pages online, however, when I read the issue and saw Storm's interaction with Doom and her jailor, it set me at ease. I do have to admit that that line coming from Storm was awkward as Storm is more independent and more resourceful than that. I agree with you that Storm isn't going to rely on some man to rescue her and it is nout-of-character for her to try and throw him up to somebody threatening her. She's ferociously formidable on her own and it would have been preferable for those people to fear her and acknowledge how resourceful and dangerous she is. She is not only powerful and brilliant, but she's sneaky and tough as nails as well. Other than that line, her portrayal in the issue was very good.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 08, 2010, 08:46:59 pm
The Storm we know and love started showing up in "DoomWar" #1.

I heard about that. "Ooh, when my man gets back, you all are gonna GET IT!" Did she fold her arms and stomp her feet, too?

I was bothered by the quote you just mentioned when I read the preview pages online, however, when I read the issue and saw Storm's interaction with Doom and her jailor, it set me at ease. I do have to admit that that line coming from Storm was awkward as Storm is more independent and more resourceful than that. I agree with you that Storm isn't going to rely on some man to rescue her and it is nout-of-character for her to try and throw him up to somebody threatening her. She's ferociously formidable on her own and it would have been preferable for those people to fear her and acknowledge how resourceful and dangerous she is. She is not only powerful and brilliant, but she's sneaky and tough as nails as well. Other than that line, her portrayal in the issue was very good.

I don't think that line is out of character at all. It's not like she was just say "Oh lordy my man is gonna come and save me". Her Comment was a direct response to all the talk of T'Challa abandoning her.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 08, 2010, 08:55:40 pm
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...




Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2010, 11:47:19 pm
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


I don't understand your first sentence, however as for the rest of what you said, Storm is a strong, warrior character. I don't care which version of Storm you're talking about, this is something that has always remained true to the character. I don't care if you're talking about "Punk" Storm, "Aussie" Storm, "Powerless" Storm, even the weakest Storm that lasted the 7 years during the Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle era when her power levels were written down, etc.  

Even at her most gentle, when she first joined the X-Men, she was the one X-Man who could get Wolverine to back down by the sheer force of her personality. This is one thing that was stated in an interview when they were thinking about her character. The interview stated that Storm was to be Jean's best friend and that Storm would be the one X-Man who can make Wolverine back down through the sheer force of her personality, as I just stated. We saw this demonstrated several times in canon. Right off the bat, I can think of the first time Storm and Polaris fought each other. You know which issue I am referring to? The issue where a mind-controlled Polaris ticks Storm off and Storm goes to town and beats her out of the sky. At the end of the issue, Scott punches Logan and Logan goes to retaliate. Storm stops him with the sheer force of her personality. We see this again when Storm is leader of the X-Men where she is able to make Wolverine submit to her in a way Cyclops never could. Logan even tells her, "I wouldn't take this from Scott." She responds with, "You will, however, take it from me. Sheath your claws or prepare to use them against me." He backs down from her and submits to her leadership position.

She's a natural leader, strong-willed and independent. Fraction could not find her voice because he's not a good writer, however, I would bet dollars to donuts that when he does write her, she's not going to be submissive and weak. He'll at least get that part right, I hope.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 08, 2010, 11:52:36 pm
I knew the book was on "hiatus" during Doomwar and like we all I was hoping it would regenerate interest in the book. So in my mail today was a copy of Dare Devil and a note from Marvel saying BP 12 would be the last issue of the series and the remaining issues would be transferred to DD. So that's it I guess, a wrap???!!! ???
Yeah I been meaning to ask this... Around the time WAP came out, was your subscription put on "hiatus"? What was the deal with that?

Okay what is "WAP"?

WAP=Worlds Apart
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 09, 2010, 02:35:11 am
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


With all due respect to Mr. Fraction, I think that's bunk. He's a good writer. Create a voice for her. There are such things as new takes or interpretations on the character. Or he could just write or update the version he likes best. I just think he doesn't care for Storm for some reason so therefore doesn't write her.

I'm not 20 years or more deep in X-Men or T'Challa like some of you are, but I've read a fair amount of books over the years, usually in spotty fashion when I had disposable income. But in reference to Rutog, what is so complex about Storm's powerset? She can create and control the weather, which is a very good power, a simple power for the audience to grasp. And her codename captures that power beautifully.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 09, 2010, 02:48:38 am
I knew the book was on "hiatus" during Doomwar and like we all I was hoping it would regenerate interest in the book. So in my mail today was a copy of Dare Devil and a note from Marvel saying BP 12 would be the last issue of the series and the remaining issues would be transferred to DD. So that's it I guess, a wrap???!!! ???
Yeah I been meaning to ask this... Around the time WAP came out, was your subscription put on "hiatus"? What was the deal with that?

Okay what is "WAP"?

WAP=Worlds Apart


Okay during WAP there was no notice. I knew it was on hiatus. It stopped during hiatus and resumed thereafter. Unlike now when there was notice sent that the series was over and how you want your money back.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 09, 2010, 02:51:19 am
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


With all due respect to Mr. Fraction, I think that's bunk. He's a good writer. Create a voice for her. There are such things as new takes or interpretations on the character. Or he could just write or update the version he likes best. I just think he doesn't care for Storm for some reason so therefore doesn't write her.

I'm not 20 years or more deep in X-Men or T'Challa like some of you are, but I've read a fair amount of books over the years, usually in spotty fashion when I had disposable income. But in reference to Rutog, what is so complex about Storm's powerset? She can create and control the weather, which is a very good power, a simple power for the audience to grasp. And her codename captures that power beautifully.



I agree with you that was b.s. for "I don't want to use the character and let me pull this out my ass as why". It's a comic book not Broadway.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 09, 2010, 03:07:35 am
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


With all due respect to Mr. Fraction, I think that's bunk. He's a good writer. Create a voice for her. There are such things as new takes or interpretations on the character. Or he could just write or update the version he likes best. I just think he doesn't care for Storm for some reason so therefore doesn't write her.

I'm not 20 years or more deep in X-Men or T'Challa like some of you are, but I've read a fair amount of books over the years, usually in spotty fashion when I had disposable income. But in reference to Rutog, what is so complex about Storm's powerset? She can create and control the weather, which is a very good power, a simple power for the audience to grasp. And her codename captures that power beautifully.



This is from her wiki page, describing JUST her mutant powers:

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Storm is an extremely powerful mutant and has demonstrated a plethora of abilities, most of which are facets of her power to control the weather.[67] Storm possesses the psionic ability to control all forms of weather over vast areas. She has been able to control both Earthly and extraterrestrial ecosystems on several occasions. She can control the temperature of the environment, control all forms of precipitation, humidity and moisture (at a molecular level), generate lightning and other electromagnetic atmospheric phenomena, and has demonstrated excellent control over atmospheric pressure. She can incite all forms of meteorological tempests, such as tornadoes, thunderstorms, blizzards, and hurricanes,[68] as well as mist. She can dissipate such weather to form clear skies as well.

Her precise control over the atmosphere allows her to create special weather effects. She can create precipitation at higher or lower altitudes than normal, make whirlwinds travel pointing lengthwise in any direction, channel ambient electromagnetism through her body to generate electric blasts, flash freeze objects and people, coalesce atmospheric pollutants into acid rain or toxic fog, and summon wind currents strong enough to support her weight to elevate herself to fly at high altitudes and speeds. Her control is so great that she can even manipulate the air in a person's lungs. She can also control the pressure inside the human inner ear, an ability she uses to cause intense pain. She can also bend light using moisture in the air and her manipulation of mist and fog to become partially transparent, and in later comics, almost completely invisible.

Storm has also demonstrated the ability to control natural forces that include cosmic storms, solar wind, ocean currents, and the electromagnetic field. She has demonstrated the ability to separate water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen via electrolysis, allowing her to breathe underwater. While in outer space, she is able to affect and manipulate the interstellar and intergalactic mediums. Storm can alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe in terms of energy patterns, detecting the flow of kinetic, thermal and electromagnetic energy behind weather phenomena and bending this energy to her will.

Storm has shown to be sensitive to the dynamics of the natural world, and her psionic powers over weather are affected by her emotions. One consequence of this connection to nature is that she often suppresses extreme feelings to prevent her emotional state from resulting in violent weather. She has sensed a diseased and dying tree on the X-Mansion grounds, detected objects within various atmospheric mediums—including water, and sensed the incorrect motion of a hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere and the gravitational stress on the tides by the Moon and Sun as well as the distortion of a planet's magnetosphere.[69] Storm's mutant abilities are limited by her willpower and the strength of her body. Sentinels identify Storm as a possible Omega-level mutant.

In all honesty Storm leading a team of X-Men was kind of pointless because she's powerful enough that she doesn't NEED a team backing her up. Claremont and other writers have powered up Storm to the point that superman rules have to be in full effect for her to be usable at times.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 03:11:51 am


Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


With all due respect to Mr. Fraction, I think that's bunk. He's a good writer. Create a voice for her. There are such things as new takes or interpretations on the character. Or he could just write or update the version he likes best. I just think he doesn't care for Storm for some reason so therefore doesn't write her.

I'm not 20 years or more deep in X-Men or T'Challa like some of you are, but I've read a fair amount of books over the years, usually in spotty fashion when I had disposable income. But in reference to Rutog, what is so complex about Storm's powerset? She can create and control the weather, which is a very good power, a simple power for the audience to grasp. And her codename captures that power beautifully.



There are many nuances to her powerset. She has a unity with life itself hence she's able to sense the life force within stars, planets, plants and living creatures. She also has an empathic resonance with the world around her allowing her to see into the nature of people and areas. For instance, there have been instances where she can feel an evil aura that may surround a place. She see the world and universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend them to her will, she can detect energy and movement in her environment, forecast all natural occurances before they happen, sense shifts in energy patterns and energy fields, communicate with plants, etc.She can see in all but total, complete darkness.  Her power flows from this unity with life she has and so far, she has been able to tap into the life force of stars and planets. She's gone so far with this to where she can completely drain heavenly bodies of all of their energy. When written with all aspects of her powers, she is immune to climate and temperature variations and she cannot be directly harmed by weather manifestations. She has demonstrated sub-atomic control over matter and energy on a few occassions allowing her to completely disperse a herald of Galactus and manifest clothing out of thin air via electron manipulatioin. She has demonstrated atomic control over air and molecular control over moisture. She has even taken control of sentient beings composed of the elements of nature.  Furthermore, she controls the forces behind the weather which includes electromagnetic energy. We have seen her control the flow of Magneto's energy, control gamma rays on a global scale, she has controlled the solar wind, etc. She possess an indomitable will that is more than a match for any telepath including Xavier and Shadow King. To boot, her power and control over electricity have grown over the years to where it creates a background of static in her mind which hinders telepaths. She can use the electrical forces in her nervous system (and even draw on more electrical power from her environment) to literally fry invading telepaths out of her mind. There is literally no single telepath that is a match for her when written at her best.

Her powers are limited by the force of her will and strength of her body. While her will is indomitable, perhaps the greatest show of willpower she has is when she contained the essence of Eternity in her body. This is a feat that would have killed any of the heroes present save Dr. Strange as they were the only two with a strength of will strong enough to accomplish this. The other heroes present were Silver Surfer, Black Panther and the Fantastic Four. One day, her she will evolve into a wholly elemental being and achieve goddesshood. Hence, she will no longer be limited by her physical body. Thus, her will is the only thing that will limit her.You get the point. This is not obvious to somebody who is new to the character.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 03:26:43 am
^^^This does not even talk about how strong and forceful her elemental manifestations can be. She can summon winds capable of lifting hundreds of thousands of tons (she's lifted sky scrapers with her winds), she can generate winds strong enough to force objects through mountains, she has literally flown thousands of miles in a matter of minutes on her winds, she's generated winds strong enough to scour the surface of the world to its bedrock, strain out Magneto's powers, and I still haven't said it all. The woman has such control over the elements that she can control the elements within people's bodies. For instance, she was able to manipulated the air in people's lungs and controlled pressure within people's bodies. Keep in mind that she also controls electrical impulses, heat, moisture, EM fields, etc, all which are present in the human body. There is so much more she can do. We've seen her channel electricity through her body after pulling it out of planetary EM fields, she was in Africa and was able to detect the movement of the Blackbird as it flew in the air over the United States. She was then able to blast it out of the sky but pulling a bolt out of the air around the Blackbird while she was half a planet away! To boot, Storm's powers are adaptable. She can control the natural forces of whatever reality, dimension, environment, place, etc she's present in no matter how bizzare the forces of her surroundings are. Boy, there is still much to say about what Storm can do. When at her best, she's dang near unstoppable!  ;D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 09, 2010, 03:39:05 am
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 09, 2010, 03:41:47 am
I know why Storm isn't a strong woman any more!  When Byrne left the X-men and they returned from outer space, there was an implication (or it was stated) when Storm came back, her connection with earth had changed.  Her personality changed.  She would kill to win.  She cut her hair and went punk.  Well, the principle has been established that if she is off earth, when she returns, her personality might shift.  Well, when she was on the FF, she was off-earth for a long time.  She came back--new personaility!

(I'm joking.  Not about the inital personaility shift and the fact that if it happened once, it could happen again.  But I am joking that this is what happened to make her passive.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 04:10:13 am
^^LOL!

I am not so sure the personality shift can happen again due to her connection with the Earth. I mean, the first time she came back to the planet after being away for months, it took a while for her bond with the Earth to be reestablished. However, since then, she bonds with the life force of whatever world/reality she's on/in much faster.

That said, Storm's personality can change like the weather. She can be very warm and nurturing one minute and she can scathe a person "to the bedrock" the next minute. lol. One thing, though, Storm should never be written passive or weak. Its just not who she is. Despite all of the evolutions she's gone through, that inner strength of character was always present at her core. Its like she once said to Callisto, "Hurricanes are pliable things, but at their core, they are indomitable." She was speaking about herself when she said this.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 04:54:25 am
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.

Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto. I am glad that there is a woman of color in comicdom this powerful. One of the reasons that I was thrilled about Ororo and T'challa temporarily joining the FF is the FF fight more powerful advasaries than the X-Men. They go into space, other dimensions, and square off against Heralds of Galactus, Dr. Doom etc. This is also the main reason I would really like for the Defenders to reform with Storm and T'challa in the lineup. I mean, the Defenders had a lineup with both Dr. Strange and Silver Surfer on it along with other powerhouses like Hulk and Namor. That meant that the villains had to pose a threat to such a lineup. These are the kind of antagonists I would enjoy to see Storm square off with. To me, a lineup with Dr. Strange, Storm, T'challa, Hulk or Namor (kinda redundant to have two muscle heads), Nightcrawler and Valkyrie sounds ideal. I only knock off Silver Surfer so that Storm doesn't have to share the limelight as the energy wielder. Dr. Strange handles the magic stuff, T'challa brings his technological expertise to the table along with his heightened senses, Namor brings his strength and his friendship with T'challa, Nightcrawler brings stealth and speed with teleportation (imagine him teleporting behind enemy lines with Namor in tow allowing Namor to catch the opposition by surprise and cut up), Storm is the "Mistress of the Elements, 'nuff said, and Valkyrie is Valkyrie. I would keep the membership down to 5-6 members so everybody gets to shine and people don't overlap in what their powerset brings to the table which lessens the risk of a character being devalued.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 04:56:28 am
She's a natural leader, strong-willed and independent. Fraction could not find her voice because he's not a good writer, however, I would bet dollars to donuts that when he does write her, she's not going to be submissive and weak. He'll at least get that part right, I hope.

Maberry did; why wouldn't he?

(And IIRC, Worlds Apart was just a four part mini; no more, no less.)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 05:03:15 am
She's a natural leader, strong-willed and independent. Fraction could not find her voice because he's not a good writer, however, I would bet dollars to donuts that when he does write her, she's not going to be submissive and weak. He'll at least get that part right, I hope.

Maberry did; why wouldn't he?

(And IIRC, Worlds Apart was just a four part mini; no more, no less.)
I don't have much faith in Fraction. He seems to be too in love with Emma Frost and I think he's going to write Storm down because of this. While Emma is certainly a force to be reckoned with, canonically speaking she's not the fighter or powerhouse Storm is nor is her personality as strong as Ororo's. I think Storm is going to be written down to make Emma the alpha female. To boot, the X-Men cast is far too large which means Storm can easily be drowned out unless you have a writer who really loves the character to keep her visible and active.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 09, 2010, 05:59:04 am
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.

Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.

Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 09, 2010, 06:22:40 am
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.

Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.

Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.

I wouldn't say she dwarfs magneto in terms of power but as an Omega she's WAY up there on the list of abilities and potential applications of them.

Iceman is the same way but they added the whole self esteem issues to prevent him from being "too powerful". Storm also has something like that but it gets downplayed by Claremont and her fans quite often which can result in a lot of pointless bitching.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 09, 2010, 07:31:31 am
I tend to find the more powerful a character the more boring--with the accept of a psychotic Sentry ripping folks in two, before that he was boring.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 09, 2010, 07:48:40 am
I think Storm is a problem for the X-writers. The fans like her as a team member so they have to include her but there’s not much they can do with her.

Storm IMO got overwritten in the 80-90’s by Clairmont and the fans took that as status quo. And any attempt to walk her back down to plausible levels (by comic book standards, anyway) creates a screaming fit in her fans. Easier for most writers to ignore her altogether. I’m not trying to hear about her being able to do stuff like create absolute zero cold or Jupiter like atmospheric conditions on Earth. Oh BTW “Solar Wind” ain’t really wind either its charged electron particles and as such wouldn’t be under her control.

Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Fraction (and Horn) like the Cukcoos (hot blond triplets dressed like Catholic schoolgirls) and Pixie

The one thing we do know about Storm is that she wouldn’t run things like Cyclops would and since he’s a sneeze away from being Utopia’s dictator that still doesn’t leaver her anything to do (unless they really do kill him off).
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Battle on March 09, 2010, 07:53:23 am
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon


I haven't read an X-MEN comicbook since the claremont/byrne run and it's still weird for me to see Emma Frost as a character anybody can trust.
Which is why I thought it was surreal to see Cyke and Frost hand-in-hand as if they were lovers or somethin'.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 09, 2010, 08:15:55 am
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon


I haven't read an X-MEN comicbook since the claremont/byrne run and it's still weird for me to see Emma Frost as a character anybody can trust.
Which is why I thought it was surreal to see Cyke and Frost hand-in-hand as if they were lovers or somethin'.

I know that seemed to come out of left field for everyone but Emma was teaching the Gen X kids for years then had a LONG stint with the X-Men. Her relationship with Cyke is what it is....I'd prefer Cyke with Jean (even though she was a bad wife at times) but I'm cool with him being with Emma.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 10:19:52 am
She's a natural leader, strong-willed and independent. Fraction could not find her voice because he's not a good writer, however, I would bet dollars to donuts that when he does write her, she's not going to be submissive and weak. He'll at least get that part right, I hope.

Maberry did; why wouldn't he?

(And IIRC, Worlds Apart was just a four part mini; no more, no less.)
I don't have much faith in Fraction. He seems to be too in love with Emma Frost and I think he's going to write Storm down because of this. While Emma is certainly a force to be reckoned with, canonically speaking she's not the fighter or powerhouse Storm is nor is her personality as strong as Ororo's. I think Storm is going to be written down to make Emma the alpha female. To boot, the X-Men cast is far too large which means Storm can easily be drowned out unless you have a writer who really loves the character to keep her visible and active.

Apparently, you misread my question. My question was that if Maberry writes Storm like a simpering little bitch, what is stopping Fraction?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: The Cat on March 09, 2010, 11:28:20 am
My take on the position of BP after doomwar:

Mmm... on reflection and noting the past behaviour of Marvel on other books (Immortal Iron fist, to name one) I think that the Black Panther comic is definately on hold; and could resume depending on the results (sales) of Doomwar.

So as long as JM continues to hit homeruns on the mini-series, as he has done with the first issue, I will expect an announcement around May/June, that the series will continue after this mini.

I have always had my slight misgivings about Shuri; but was willing to see how she developed and what direction the book moved in. I think it can be difficult for any new writer to get the tone of voice required of the main characters (Storm included), and although Shuri is a relatively new one; it is obvious that she will take a little more time for the fans to get used to. Time sadly; which the book may not have.

I think Jenn is right in that the powers above are probaly pushing for this event to most definately end with T'challa resuming the role of the Black Panther. And if I'm allowed to be devils advocate, there might have been a rewrite on some of the scripts to make the storyline point a little in this direction.

I'm an optimist! So, I'm hoping the success of the first book will only get bigger with the second, the third, etc, etc...  :)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 09, 2010, 11:35:51 am
She's a natural leader, strong-willed and independent. Fraction could not find her voice because he's not a good writer, however, I would bet dollars to donuts that when he does write her, she's not going to be submissive and weak. He'll at least get that part right, I hope.


Maberry did; why wouldn't he?

(And IIRC, Worlds Apart was just a four part mini; no more, no less.)

I don't have much faith in Fraction. He seems to be too in love with Emma Frost and I think he's going to write Storm down because of this. While Emma is certainly a force to be reckoned with, canonically speaking she's not the fighter or powerhouse Storm is nor is her personality as strong as Ororo's. I think Storm is going to be written down to make Emma the alpha female. To boot, the X-Men cast is far too large which means Storm can easily be drowned out unless you have a writer who really loves the character to keep her visible and active.


Apparently, you misread my question. My question was that if Maberry writes Storm like a simpering little bitch, what is stopping Fraction?


Fraction 's Storm highlights

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Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 12:37:10 pm
I think Storm is a problem for the X-writers. The fans like her as a team member so they have to include her but there’s not much they can do with her.

Storm IMO got overwritten in the 80-90’s by Clairmont and the fans took that as status quo. And any attempt to walk her back down to plausible levels (by comic book standards, anyway) creates a screaming fit in her fans. Easier for most writers to ignore her altogether. I’m not trying to hear about her being able to do stuff like create absolute zero cold or Jupiter like atmospheric conditions on Earth. Oh BTW “Solar Wind” ain’t really wind either its charged electron particles and as such wouldn’t be under her control.

Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Fraction (and Horn) like the Cukcoos (hot blond triplets dressed like Catholic schoolgirls) and Pixie

The one thing we do know about Storm is that she wouldn’t run things like Cyclops would and since he’s a sneeze away from being Utopia’s dictator that still doesn’t leaver her anything to do (unless they really do kill him off).


First off, the solar wind is under her control and always has been. Solar winds come s from stars and she can tap into stars. She has literally sucked every bit of energy from stars before extinguishing them. Speaking of electron control, when she dissipated Stardust, a Herald of Galactus composed of energy, she stole electrons from his body and sent them flying back with such force that it dissipated him. Furthermore, she's created matter out of thin air via electron manipulation. Its even in the Official Handbooks now that Storm can control the solar winds and channel the energies of stars both of which she has done in canon. She also got some big feats under Claremont and McDuffie this millennium too so its not just during the era you mentioned where she was uber powerful. The lady is just that dang powerful and has been that way for the overwhelming majority of her existence.

She's a natural leader, strong-willed and independent. Fraction could not find her voice because he's not a good writer, however, I would bet dollars to donuts that when he does write her, she's not going to be submissive and weak. He'll at least get that part right, I hope.

Maberry did; why wouldn't he?

(And IIRC, Worlds Apart was just a four part mini; no more, no less.)
I don't have much faith in Fraction. He seems to be too in love with Emma Frost and I think he's going to write Storm down because of this. While Emma is certainly a force to be reckoned with, canonically speaking she's not the fighter or powerhouse Storm is nor is her personality as strong as Ororo's. I think Storm is going to be written down to make Emma the alpha female. To boot, the X-Men cast is far too large which means Storm can easily be drowned out unless you have a writer who really loves the character to keep her visible and active.

Apparently, you misread my question. My question was that if Maberry writes Storm like a simpering little bitch, what is stopping Fraction?

I think those days are over. From now on, I think we are going to see Storm back to normal in "DoomWar".
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 12:49:46 pm
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.


Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.


Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.


Storm definitely has the advantage in a fight against Magneto. He has stated on panel that Storm could beat him in a fight if she didn't hold back. Here's the thing about it, Storm controls the forces that dictates weather patterns which includes the same forces Magneto controls as well as a bunch of forces he does not control. First off, I don't buy that Magneto should be able to manipulate the iron in her blood in the middle of a fight. She has proven that she can strain his powers to their utmost with her winds alone. I can even post the scan if you'd like where her winds smashed his force-fields and he had to strain his power to anchor himself against the force of her winds. She can also manipulate the air in his lungs, the pressure in his body, etc. These are tactics he has no defense against and they would be lethal to him. I have seen Storm instantly drop the internal temperature in matter 200 degrees by removing heat directly from inside of it. What's to stop Storm from instantly dropping Magneto's internal temperature 200 degrees by removing heat from directly from inside of him? A move like this would kill him. Then she has another advantage. When she creates her elemental barrage, she does not have to concentrate to maintain it as nature will continue it for her. For instance, when she battled Proteus, Proteus knocked her unconscious yet the hurricane she created to batter him with continued to rage dispite the fact she was unconsious. This means she can set up an elemental barrage against Magneto to keep him on the defensive and strain out his power to where he can't counterattack and then use her powers to attack him internally to take him out of the fight easily.

Here is a post I did a long time ago:

Storm wins easily. To begin with, Storm is able to control the forces that patterns the weather. This includes, but is not limited to by any means, EM fields. We have already seen Storm redirect Magneto's energies here:

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As for who is more powerful, we have to compare power feats. Magneto has never done anything on a global scale, continental scale or even over a country without the aid of a machine to boost his power levels. In "Fatal Attractions," Forge created a machine that skewered the geo-magnetic fields to such a degree that had Magneto attempted to use his powers within the Earth's atmosphere, the fields would have backfired on him and killed him instantly. This was activated while he was on his astroid base in space, so he was safe from it. He struck the skewered EM field in from space and it resulted in a global blackout. The second time we see him affect a massive area was in "Magneto War" where he created a machine to amplify his powers to shut down the power around the world.

In neither instance was he able to do it under his own power. In the first instance, technology had already warped the EM fields way beyond normal to the point it could kill him. In the second instance, the EM fields were in a natural state and unaffected by technology. He had to create a machine to amplify his power to affect the EM fields on such a scale. The fact that he had to create a machine in the second instance proves that he could not have done what he did in the first instance had the EM fields been in their natural state and not tampered with by Forge's machine. If anyone ever brings up the Morrison run Magneto, that Magneto was on the mutant power enhancing drug, kick. Kick raised Magneto's power level to the 15th power, IIRC. Therefore, neither of these three stories can be used to state Magneto can control energy on a big scale or put him anywhere near Storm. Even if he did the global blackout stunt under his own power, it still doesn't give him enough power to challenge Storm. Read on to understand why.

A real life hurricane generates enough power to energy supply the world. Hurricanes in real life span about 500 miles in diameter. We have seen Storm control hurricanes that spanned an entire hemisphere without any machine to boost her powers! This means even if Magneto pulled the above stunts without a machine, it still puts him well below Storm in power.

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To do this, she has to be playing with not only the EM fields on a HUGE scale, but moisture, heat, wind/air, pressure gradients, electrical impulses, etc. Magneto has never been able to affect the EM fields by themselves on a big scale without a machine while Storm is affecting them plus a bunch of other things on a huge scale at the same time.

Lets not forget when she took control of the entire planet's ecosystem to create an elemental barrier around the Earth to block a blast from the sun that would have destroyed all life on the planet. She boosted the power of her elemental shield by pulling gamma rays out of a gamma ray gun that was used to trigger the blast from the sun. This shows that she can control both EM radiation (gamma rays are a form of EM radiation) and the planet's ecosystem on a global scale.

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In the comics, they always write Storm down in Magneto arcs. However, given the feats she's accomplished, she could easily steal control of the EM fields from Magneto through sheer power alone. Not only that, but she controls forces he has no control over like air and water. What's to stop her from stealing the air out of his lungs? This proves that she can control the elements in a person's body. We already saw her take control of Hydroman's water form. Magneto has all of that moisture in his body that he has no control over. What's to stop her from taking control of that and knocking him out or killing him outright? She's too powerful and too versatile for Magneto.
 
I have not even mentioned the galactic core stunt or the amount of energy Storm wielded when she battled the Trion, just some other feats which shows Storm controlling much greater amounts of energy than Magneto ever could.
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Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 09, 2010, 01:40:50 pm
And what we got was well, I don't know what in the hell we got.

Average HEFfa: OMG u hater OMG Mayberry iz da bestest he be off da hook yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo greatest book since da Bible n'sh*t!!!111ONEONEELEVENTYPEEPEE

Poster w/5th grade education: Er, how are both T'Challa AND Shuri unaffected?

HEFfa: Uh...

Poster: And why didn't T'Challa just contact any one of 40,000 telepaths that he knows?

HEFfa: Um...

Poster: And didn't we just read this storyline last year? Remember, when it was called X-Men: Worlds Apart?

HEFfa: D'uuuuuuuh...(20 minutes later) I like Black Panther DUN BER BER LEE

Poster: Yeeeeeeeah.


I'm thinking that we're on the first book and that we already have a significant reveal (nanites) that in and of itself resolves many questions that were raised..most notably,the strange way that TCHALLA was acting towards Storm.I am also thinking that the other questions that you raised either WERE answered already or are GOING TO BE answered a the story unfolds.

Why didn't TChalla contact any of the 40,000 telepaths he knows? Cuz DOOM would be waiting on that.I mean,that's an OBVIOUS ploy that would demean both DOOM's as well as TCHALLA'S intellect in its application.As for how both TCHALLA AND SHURI are NOT affected? I think that TCHALLA answered this very question very logically and thoroughly in DOOMWAR#1 by surmising that DOOM hypothesized--correctly--that as THE BLACK PANTHER our girl Shuri would have a heightened self-awareness that would discover the nanites should they attempt to invade her body,and TCHALLA would be hyper prepped for such a ploy himself AND TCHALLA might still have the heightened self-awareness of THE BLACK PANTHER within himself that would prematurely blow the lid off of DOOM'S nanites before they accomplished his goal.This hyper prep and heightened awareness is what lead in part to TCHALLA discovering the nanites in the first place (not to mention thee ole ubergenius thing).Remember,both RH and MABERRY at one time opined that TCHALLA would be very similar to DOOM with morals.There are many parallels and similarities between them,and this is what makes this clash so devastating and entertaining and riveting. See ma? No 5th grade education necessary.All ya gotta do is..ya know...read the book.But I think some of the critics of DOOMWAR either haven't read the book and therefore NOT KNOWN that their questions have been thoroughly answered in these arenas or...they missed it while reading the book...or they have selective memory...or they have a combo of the above.

and this storyline isn't WORLDS APRAT by a long shot.It's better.And I loved me some WAP.DOOM is the main villain in DOOMWAR and SK was the main baddie in WORLDS APART.DEADPOOL.etc.Are down with DOOMWAR,and Wakanda is in much more sever jeopardy than it wasa when SK took over TCHALLA in WAP.Doomwar is a whole new story with almost 100% totally different characters attempting to achieve a totally different goal for totally different reasons.Mistaking DOOMWAR for WORLDS APART would be like mistaking CIVIL WAR for FALL OF THE HULKS.Lol. Both are good books  but hell naw you'd have to pull some DEATHERS and BIRTHERS level colossal stupidity to confuse the one for the other.

Unless you don't read the book.Then genuine ignorance is a possible mea culpa.Not.Lolol.

and yeah Maberry is da sh*t yooooooooo!!1 LOLOLOL
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 01:51:35 pm
As usual, soop brings the TEAL FUKKING DEER (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/TL;DR) to the yard. I'm about as interested in deciphering that post as I am reading this book. Moving on...

Fraction 's Storm highlights


And yet, ALL of that manages to beat sulking like a drug kingpin's wife b/c your husband ignores you for his hot-bodied sister. And...um, that first picture is kinda hot. So when I turn my back to you/and look over my shoulder/you ain't got to say nothin'/you ain't got do say nothin'... (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvFHpm30rU0)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 09, 2010, 02:06:49 pm
As usual, soop brings the TEAL FUKKING DEER ([url]http://encyclopediadramatica.com/TL;DR[/url]) to the yard. I'm about as interested in deciphering that post as I am reading this book. Moving on...

Fraction 's Storm highlights


And yet, ALL of that manages to beat sulking like a drug kingpin's wife b/c your husband ignores you for his hot-bodied sister. And...um, that first picture is kinda hot. So when I turn my back to you/and look over my shoulder/you ain't got to say nothin'/you ain't got do say nothin'... ([url]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvFHpm30rU0[/url])


That's cool.No prob if you're not reading the book,s'allgood...except that your acknowledged ignorance of Doomwar torpedoes literate criticism thereof.Moving on...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 02:09:17 pm
I ask questions about the storyline, and not a single person has said I'm wrong about anything. Your DUUUUUUUH AH LIKE DUH BLACK PANFUH posts mean nothing - not in this post or any other. And learn the difference b/t criticism and mocking before you address me again.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 09, 2010, 03:25:19 pm
I ask questions about the storyline, and not a single person has said I'm wrong about anything.


Okay.You DO ask questions about the storyline--which numerous people,including myself,have answered using sources directly from the book itself.There are some instances wherein we differ in the interpretation of some previous books (before you gave up the title) but there are some basic issues that leave no wiggle room.You dissed the nanites idea.You even had NANITES under your sig.S'allgood.but the susbsequent questions you asked:

And what we got was well, I don't know what in the hell we got.


Average HEFfa: OMG u hater OMG Mayberry iz da bestest he be off da hook yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo greatest book since da Bible n'sh*t!!!111ONEONEELEVENTYPEEPEE

Poster w/5th grade education: Er, how are both T'Challa AND Shuri unaffected?

HEFfa: Uh...



Were thoroughly answered in the book that you didn't read,so even if you were mocking? Flat mockery.Said mockery reveals a literal ifgnorance of the material being mocked.which doesn't make the mockery look very smart...and same for the author of said mockery.
and when you say:

I ask questions about the storyline, and not a single person has said I'm wrong about anything. Your DUUUUUUUH AH LIKE DUH BLACK PANFUH posts mean nothing - not in this post or any other. And learn the difference b/t criticism and mocking before you address me again.


You are LITERALLY right,as no SINGLE person is invested in proving you WRONG,.As you aptly pointed out,Jenn,you ASKED A QUESTION.You just blithely go about ignoring the answers when you don't like them.Perhaps you prefer the answers whe the answers are like

And what we got was well, I don't know what in the hell we got.


Average HEFfa: OMG u hater OMG Mayberry iz da bestest he be off da hook yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo greatest book since da Bible n'sh*t!!!111ONEONEELEVENTYPEEPEE

Poster w/5th grade education: Er, how are both T'Challa AND Shuri unaffected?

HEFfa: Uh...

Poster: And why didn't T'Challa just contact any one of 40,000 telepaths that he knows?


When actually the answers your queries generate would be something like ....

Poster: Er,how are both TChalla AND Shuri unaffected?

Heffa: TChalla answers that directly in Doomwar#1.Read the book or have someone send you scans.

Poster: Why didn't TChalla just contact any of the 40,000 telepaths that he knows?

HEFfa:Why didn't TChalla contact any of the 40,000 telepaths he knows? Cuz DOOM would be waiting on that.I mean,that's an OBVIOUS ploy that would demean both DOOM's as well as TCHALLA'S intellect were such a ploy to be used and then even worse...SUCCEED.
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All of which is in that book you're NOT reading,written by that award winning best-selling Martial Arts HALL OF FAMER writer guy that writes circles around all of us including you but whom you opine can't write Storm well or isn't writing BP well or TCHALLA well (s'allgood you have the right to have your opinion and there are some aspects that I kinda feel you on)...which of course means that you're either mocking ineffectively from ignorance (which makes you look ignorant) or your criticism is not very literate (due to the aforementioned ignorance).Mocking and/or criticism is all good.Mock away.Or should you choose...criticise away.But when you pose a query,you're answered factually and sans any personal venom at all,and you respond with:

As usual, soop brings the TEAL FUKKING DEER (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/TL;DR) to the yard. I'm about as interested in deciphering that post as I am reading this book. Moving on...

it gives the impression that you're looking for an opportunity to blindly spout nonsense like a TEA PARTY member in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary,rather than asking a legit question about the storyline (that one would assume that you wish an honest and accurate answer to) as you stated earlier that you were.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 03:28:35 pm
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Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 09, 2010, 03:37:59 pm
18 muthafunking pages damn lol.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 09, 2010, 03:39:31 pm
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 03:44:47 pm
18 muthafunking pages damn lol.

That's b/c the dickriding can't seem to stay in one topic. This is the BLACK PANTHER CANCELED thread, not the MAKE UP STUPID SHYT BECAUSE I CAN'T USE THE QUOTE FUNCTION thread. Geez, don't we already have a Doomwar thread - y'know, the one that I'm *not* in so I *don't* have to put up with such inane rambling?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 09, 2010, 03:54:25 pm
18 muthafunking pages damn lol.

That's b/c the dickriding can't seem to stay in one topic. This is the BLACK PANTHER CANCELED thread, not the MAKE UP STUPID SHYT BECAUSE I CAN'T USE THE QUOTE FUNCTION thread. Geez, don't we already have a Doomwar thread - y'know, the one that I'm *not* in so I *don't* have to put up with such inane rambling?

Well I got nothing but love for ya lol.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 04:09:28 pm
Awwww. And I lurve you back.  When we get the sex forum up and running here, bwoi...

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Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 09, 2010, 04:23:59 pm
Awwww. And I lurve you back.  When we get the sex forum up and running here, bwoi...

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Why wait?  *Slides you key*
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 09, 2010, 05:08:25 pm
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


With all due respect to Mr. Fraction, I think that's bunk. He's a good writer. Create a voice for her. There are such things as new takes or interpretations on the character. Or he could just write or update the version he likes best. I just think he doesn't care for Storm for some reason so therefore doesn't write her.

I'm not 20 years or more deep in X-Men or T'Challa like some of you are, but I've read a fair amount of books over the years, usually in spotty fashion when I had disposable income. But in reference to Rutog, what is so complex about Storm's powerset? She can create and control the weather, which is a very good power, a simple power for the audience to grasp. And her codename captures that power beautifully.



No acutally it's not Bunk. In my opinion, it seems like Marvel are not very intrested in Storm with the exception of maybe Yost. Other then that...she seems to be a after thought. I mean this is what I take from asking questions.

If a writer creates of voice...you have fans going nuts. New voice? yeah right...and you proved my point. Both T'challa and Storm suffer from the same issues, though Storm is far more popular...it's T'challa how the top writers and artist were sending E-mail's about...it's because they are trying to fix those issue I posted about in the A-list thread.

I think I will do one for Storm.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 09, 2010, 05:13:02 pm
Really, Storm is unwritable if everything is out of character. Hell, there as so many different versions of Storm.

Maybe this is why Fraction does not use her...he said he could not find her voice...


With all due respect to Mr. Fraction, I think that's bunk. He's a good writer. Create a voice for her. There are such things as new takes or interpretations on the character. Or he could just write or update the version he likes best. I just think he doesn't care for Storm for some reason so therefore doesn't write her.

I'm not 20 years or more deep in X-Men or T'Challa like some of you are, but I've read a fair amount of books over the years, usually in spotty fashion when I had disposable income. But in reference to Rutog, what is so complex about Storm's powerset? She can create and control the weather, which is a very good power, a simple power for the audience to grasp. And her codename captures that power beautifully.



No acutally it's not Bunk. In my opinion, it seems like Marvel are not very intrested in Storm with the exception of maybe Yost. Other then that...she seems to be a after thought. I mean this is what I take from asking questions.

If a writer creates of voice...you have fans going nuts. New voice? yeah right...and you proved my point. Both T'challa and Storm suffer from the same issues, though Storm is far more popular...it's T'challa how the top writers and artist were sending E-mail's about...it's because they are trying to fix those issue I posted about in the A-list thread.

I think I will do one for Storm.

I would have sent them a link to the A-list fixing thread (if you haven't already). And yes do the same for Storm too.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 09, 2010, 05:25:38 pm
I think Storm is a problem for the X-writers. The fans like her as a team member so they have to include her but there’s not much they can do with her.

Storm IMO got overwritten in the 80-90’s by Clairmont and the fans took that as status quo. And any attempt to walk her back down to plausible levels (by comic book standards, anyway) creates a screaming fit in her fans. Easier for most writers to ignore her altogether. I’m not trying to hear about her being able to do stuff like create absolute zero cold or Jupiter like atmospheric conditions on Earth. Oh BTW “Solar Wind” ain’t really wind either its charged electron particles and as such wouldn’t be under her control.

Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Fraction (and Horn) like the Cukcoos (hot blond triplets dressed like Catholic schoolgirls) and Pixie

The one thing we do know about Storm is that she wouldn’t run things like Cyclops would and since he’s a sneeze away from being Utopia’s dictator that still doesn’t leaver her anything to do (unless they really do kill him off).


I agree...this is why I don't have issue with Huldin's nor Maberry's Storm.

Also, Fraction flat out took a dig at CC, and then said he is intrested in using new characters.
Then the Avengers brain trust seems to only talk about her, when connected to T'challa or not at all.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 09, 2010, 06:06:11 pm
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.

Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.

Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.

Storm definitely has the advantage in a fight against Magneto. He has stated on panel that Storm could beat him in a fight if she didn't hold back. Here's the thing about it, Storm controls the forces that dictates weather patterns which includes the same forces Magneto controls as well as a bunch of forces he does not control. First off, I don't buy that Magneto should be able to manipulate the iron in her blood in the middle of a fight.
If that's what you believe, you could have saved yourself a soliloquy.  :)

You haven't shown why he COULDN'T remove her iron. It would just be a thought on his part, to execute that maneuver, like spitting or blinking. Or do his powers work some other way? Let me tell you what I know: If Magneto pulls the iron out of her body, she's done. No if, ands, or buts about it (not unless she has a healing factor, like Logan). No iron means there is no way to get oxygen to into her system/bloodstream, iron also help convert blood sugar into energy (I'm guessing she still needs that, right). The brain needs 2 things, oxygen AND glucose. Once blood sugar levels start falling below 40-35 mg/dl, if you're not already unconscious(most folks would be), then you're having mucho difficulty forming coherent thoughts AND controlling body movement, equilibrium is gone, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking here. Having a strong will, wouldn't mean JACK, in that situation and neither would being able to shoot lightning, hurricane, etc. I haven't followed the X-Men in years so, can he still pull iron out of people's body? Yes or No.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 06:13:38 pm
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Storm's problem is twofold. Back in the day, she was like Halle Berry - far too sexless to be sexy. This was a young woman who wasn't getting any - which was fine - but wasn't getting any for no good reason whatsoever. She wasn't lamenting man trouble (or woman trouble). She wasn't religious, wasn't saving it for marriage, wasn't taking vows...she was WASN'T. And now it's even worse, because she's not just f*cking, she's f*cking T'Challa. It would be different if she was banging Cyclops or Luke Cage, but the Black Panther? She'll never be an Emma or a Psylocke now. She may as well have PANTHER'S PUSSY on her forehead until she dies. It's the double standard of what makes a woman sexy. When you're divorced, you're more or less "ruined". And it's sad, b/c it took Storm being married to realize how sensual her character can be (especially since they were running w/that nekkid African jungle bunny bullsh*t). I mean, why *couldn't* she have a romance w/Wolverine or Gambit or even Luke Cage (or that sexy ass Bishop - that could've been sooooo hawt)? She got some peglegged Indian...and that's it?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 09, 2010, 06:48:33 pm
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Storm's problem is twofold. Back in the day, she was like Halle Berry - far too sexless to be sexy. This was a young woman who wasn't getting any - which was fine - but wasn't getting any for no good reason whatsoever. She wasn't lamenting man trouble (or woman trouble). She wasn't religious, wasn't saving it for marriage, wasn't taking vows...she was WASN'T. And now it's even worse, because she's not just f*cking, she's f*cking T'Challa. It would be different if she was banging Cyclops or Luke Cage, but the Black Panther? She'll never be an Emma or a Psylocke now. She may as well have PANTHER'S PUSSY on her forehead until she dies. It's the double standard of what makes a woman sexy. When you're divorced, you're more or less "ruined". And it's sad, b/c it took Storm being married to realize how sensual her character can be (especially since they were running w/that nekkid African jungle bunny bullsh*t). I mean, why *couldn't* she have a romance w/Wolverine or Gambit or even Luke Cage (or that sexy ass Bishop - that could've been sooooo hawt)? She got some peglegged Indian...and that's it?

When CC was writing both Power Man/Iron Fist and the X-Men, the casts crossed over frequently. Colleen Wing was Jean Gray's roommate. Once CC became "the X-guy" all that ended and the only non-X-men you'd get to see were sympathetic normals like Moira MacTaggert and Stevie Hunter or Spider-Man just because.

And all those normals started dying horribly the instant CC left (why waste panel space on somebody who can't fly?). So normal dudes weren't a romantic option anymore.

Heck even the surfer dude Storm picked up in X-treme secretly had powers.

And of course the writers paired Gambit off with Rogue fairly quickly. The only other option would have been Logan. And at that point he was in love with Mariko, in lust with Jean Gray and being stalked by Yukio. Dude was too damn busy to notice Storm.

Considering what comic fans tend to be like, i'm amazed Bishop and Storm got as much panel time together as they did-a relationship was verboten.

All joking aside, up until CC's  X-men X-treme ("Storm gone wild") and CC last run of X-men , if you has told me Storm was asexual I'd of had a hard time disproving it based just on the X-books.

 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 09, 2010, 06:56:30 pm
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Storm's problem is twofold. Back in the day, she was like Halle Berry - far too sexless to be sexy. This was a young woman who wasn't getting any - which was fine - but wasn't getting any for no good reason whatsoever. She wasn't lamenting man trouble (or woman trouble). She wasn't religious, wasn't saving it for marriage, wasn't taking vows...she was WASN'T. And now it's even worse, because she's not just f*cking, she's f*cking T'Challa. It would be different if she was banging Cyclops or Luke Cage, but the Black Panther? She'll never be an Emma or a Psylocke now. She may as well have PANTHER'S PUSSY on her forehead until she dies. It's the double standard of what makes a woman sexy. When you're divorced, you're more or less "ruined". And it's sad, b/c it took Storm being married to realize how sensual her character can be (especially since they were running w/that nekkid African jungle bunny bullsh*t). I mean, why *couldn't* she have a romance w/Wolverine or Gambit or even Luke Cage (or that sexy ass Bishop - that could've been sooooo hawt)? She got some peglegged Indian...and that's it?

I don't even think this is the issue. The problem started before she started with T'challa.

CC was the problem, he seems like he is on the fringe of the X-office.

With guys like Yost, Kyle, Carey...with Fraction leading. I just don't think Fraction likes Storm.

But if Yost and Kyle take over...then Storm will get her props.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 06:58:26 pm
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.

Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.

Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.

Storm definitely has the advantage in a fight against Magneto. He has stated on panel that Storm could beat him in a fight if she didn't hold back. Here's the thing about it, Storm controls the forces that dictates weather patterns which includes the same forces Magneto controls as well as a bunch of forces he does not control. First off, I don't buy that Magneto should be able to manipulate the iron in her blood in the middle of a fight.
If that's what you believe, you could have saved yourself a soliloquy.  :)

You haven't shown why he COULDN'T remove her iron. It would just be a thought on his part, to execute that maneuver, like spitting or blinking. Or do his powers work some other way? Let me tell you what I know: If Magneto pulls the iron out of her body, she's done. No if, ands, or buts about it (not unless she has a healing factor, like Logan). No iron means there is no way to get oxygen to into her system/bloodstream, iron also help convert blood sugar into energy (I'm guessing she still needs that, right). The brain needs 2 things, oxygen AND glucose. Once blood sugar levels start falling below 40-35 mg/dl, if you're not already unconscious(most folks would be), then you're having mucho difficulty forming coherent thoughts AND controlling body movement, equilibrium is gone, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking here. Having a strong will, wouldn't mean JACK, in that situation and neither would being able to shoot lightning, hurricane, etc. I haven't followed the X-Men in years so, can he still pull iron out of people's body? Yes or No.

Yes, Magneto can still pull the iron out of people's blood, however, Storm isn't going to stand there and just let him do it. While he can attack people internally with the iron in their blood, Storm can also attack internally by manipulating air, pressure, heat, etc in their body. She plays with air and pressure within people's body easily. What's to stop her from manipulation the pressure around Magneto's brain and instantly knocking him out if not kill him? This is a woman who creates tornadoes that fit in the palm of her hand. We've seen her control the air in people's lungs, what's to stop her from creating a mini tornado in Magneto's lungs and ripping them apart? Even Ultimate Storm, a much weaker version of Storm than our 616 Storm was able to create a mini-thunderstorm in Iceman's intestines. Our Storm is much more powerful.

Fact is this: Magneto has no direct control over metal. He controls an energy that affects metal. To manipulate the iron in Storm's blood, Magneto has to first project his magnetic energy inside of her. Next, he has to locate the metal inside of her, then he has to grab it magnetically and finally he can manipulate it. Sure he can do this quickly, but Storm is faster. She can go directly to the air, heat, pressure, etc inside of Magneto's body and control it. She doesn't manipulate these things by proxy of something else like how Magneto manipulates metal indirectly via magnetism. Storm can get to him easier than he can get to her. Also, the fact is Storm can channel EM energy through her body. This means that if Magneto projects energy into Storm to grab the metal, she ought to be able to just channel the energy out of her body thus nullifying his ability to pull this iron-in-the-blood trick on her. Of course, her ability to channel EM energy is going to be ignored in a fight against Magneto. lol.

She has other ways of preventing him from grabbing the iron in her blood. Of course, controlling the air in his lungs or pressure in his skull, etc are all good tactics to distract him with (or even flat out take him out of the fight) from going for an iron grab, but there are other offensive tactics she could use to prevent him from attacking her. She could hit him hard with an elemental barrage strong enough to force him to use all of his concentration on defense leaving him nothing left to retaliate offensively against her. Her winds alone are strong enough to accomplish this. Magneto has no defense whatsoever against these kinds of attacks from Ororo. He has no control over heat, air, pressure gradients, etc. Considering that Storm controls moisture and can control the elements in people's body, Magneto has all of that moisture inside of him just like everybody else. Moisture falls under her dominion, not his. If she decides to go at that, there is nothing he could do about it. What if she were to just instantly turn that moisture into gas the same way she took control of Hydroman and instantly changed his state from liquid to gas? It would be an instant kill. So she should be able to strike faster than Magneto as the process for her to go at him is much less complex. If Magneto got lucky and got the drop on her,  she could possibly just channel it out of her body. However, if she takes control of the air inside of him or pressure, etc. he's done for. There is absolutely nothing he can do.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 07:01:16 pm
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Storm's problem is twofold. Back in the day, she was like Halle Berry - far too sexless to be sexy. This was a young woman who wasn't getting any - which was fine - but wasn't getting any for no good reason whatsoever. She wasn't lamenting man trouble (or woman trouble). She wasn't religious, wasn't saving it for marriage, wasn't taking vows...she was WASN'T. And now it's even worse, because she's not just f*cking, she's f*cking T'Challa. It would be different if she was banging Cyclops or Luke Cage, but the Black Panther? She'll never be an Emma or a Psylocke now. She may as well have PANTHER'S PUSSY on her forehead until she dies. It's the double standard of what makes a woman sexy. When you're divorced, you're more or less "ruined". And it's sad, b/c it took Storm being married to realize how sensual her character can be (especially since they were running w/that nekkid African jungle bunny bullsh*t). I mean, why *couldn't* she have a romance w/Wolverine or Gambit or even Luke Cage (or that sexy ass Bishop - that could've been sooooo hawt)? She got some peglegged Indian...and that's it?

I don't even think this is the issue. The problem started before she started with T'challa.

CC was the problem, he seems like he is on the fringe of the X-office.

With guys like Yost, Kyle, Carey...with Fraction leading. I just don't think Fraction likes Storm.

But if Yost and Kyle take over...then Storm will get her props.


Agreed. Storm is just going to play second fiddle to Emma and the other x-females that Fraction obviously prefers. Here comes weak Storm.  ::) :'( :(
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 09, 2010, 07:06:55 pm
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Storm's problem is twofold. Back in the day, she was like Halle Berry - far too sexless to be sexy. This was a young woman who wasn't getting any - which was fine - but wasn't getting any for no good reason whatsoever. She wasn't lamenting man trouble (or woman trouble). She wasn't religious, wasn't saving it for marriage, wasn't taking vows...she was WASN'T. And now it's even worse, because she's not just f*cking, she's f*cking T'Challa. It would be different if she was banging Cyclops or Luke Cage, but the Black Panther? She'll never be an Emma or a Psylocke now. She may as well have PANTHER'S PUSSY on her forehead until she dies. It's the double standard of what makes a woman sexy. When you're divorced, you're more or less "ruined". And it's sad, b/c it took Storm being married to realize how sensual her character can be (especially since they were running w/that nekkid African jungle bunny bullsh*t). I mean, why *couldn't* she have a romance w/Wolverine or Gambit or even Luke Cage (or that sexy ass Bishop - that could've been sooooo hawt)? She got some peglegged Indian...and that's it?

As both a Storm & Gambit fan they really An I mean really shouldn't date/flirt (Which is why I hat that X-treme nonsense where he had them kiss & flirt out of no where)... They work best as friends or in a brother/sister type relationship imo...    Gambit is/should be written like the friend that get her in crazy situation & remind her  of her childhood when she was a thief...  Gambit has gotten screw over by x-writer all much bad has Storm..

I honestly wouldn't want Storm to be Emma (a 40-plus ex stripper ) & or Psylocke (a white character in yellow face)...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 09, 2010, 07:10:44 pm
Besides, she’s got too much competition now for panel time. Emma is a sarcastic upper class b*tch who runs around in fetish wear. It’s hard for any female character to top that. She is team babe now and Psylocke is the runner up. Ellis loves Emma and Agent Brand because he’s partial to writing sarcastic SOB’s in all of his works. He also seems to really like Armor, who was created by Whedon.

Storm's problem is twofold. Back in the day, she was like Halle Berry - far too sexless to be sexy. This was a young woman who wasn't getting any - which was fine - but wasn't getting any for no good reason whatsoever. She wasn't lamenting man trouble (or woman trouble). She wasn't religious, wasn't saving it for marriage, wasn't taking vows...she was WASN'T. And now it's even worse, because she's not just f*cking, she's f*cking T'Challa. It would be different if she was banging Cyclops or Luke Cage, but the Black Panther? She'll never be an Emma or a Psylocke now. She may as well have PANTHER'S PUSSY on her forehead until she dies. It's the double standard of what makes a woman sexy. When you're divorced, you're more or less "ruined". And it's sad, b/c it took Storm being married to realize how sensual her character can be (especially since they were running w/that nekkid African jungle bunny bullsh*t). I mean, why *couldn't* she have a romance w/Wolverine or Gambit or even Luke Cage (or that sexy ass Bishop - that could've been sooooo hawt)? She got some peglegged Indian...and that's it?

When CC was writing both Power Man/Iron Fist and the X-Men, the casts crossed over frequently. Colleen Wing was Jean Gray's roommate. Once CC became "the X-guy" all that ended and the only non-X-men you'd get to see were sympathetic normals like Moira MacTaggert and Stevie Hunter or Spider-Man just because.

And all those normals started dying horribly the instant CC left (why waste panel space on somebody who can't fly?). So normal dudes weren't a romantic option anymore.

Heck even the surfer dude Storm picked up in X-treme secretly had powers.

And of course the writers paired Gambit off with Rogue fairly quickly. The only other option would have been Logan. And at that point he was in love with Mariko, in lust with Jean Gray and being stalked by Yukio. Dude was too damn busy to notice Storm.

Considering what comic fans tend to be like, i'm amazed Bishop and Storm got as much panel time together as they did-a relationship was verboten.

All joking aside, up until CC's  X-men X-treme ("Storm gone wild") and CC last run of X-men , if you has told me Storm was asexual I'd of had a hard time disproving it based just on the X-books.

 

Actually Colleen Wing is/was Scott ex gf & Misty Knight was Jean room mate...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 07:11:15 pm
I think Emma is supposed to be around 30 or so. I remember when the Children of the Corn called her old (or something) and she replied that she was only 28. T'Challa, according to Priest, is only 33; since he was still a prince when he met Ororo, that should kill that "statutory rape" bullsh*t the fanbratti were spitting. Seriously, that was just sick.

Don't get me started on that "kiss". Please.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 09, 2010, 07:22:20 pm
Hey, don't we have another thread to discuss the Storm powers/vs Magneto war.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 09, 2010, 07:28:58 pm
Hey, don't we have another thread to discuss the Storm powers/vs Magneto war.

For me...Storm (or Monica R) powers are not the issue. But yeah, we have another thread about that.  :D
I'm talking about her personality and how she is writen.

I think we need to see 'growth' with Storm...we need to see a different side.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 07:30:33 pm
Hey, don't we have another thread to discuss the Storm powers/vs Magneto war.

I am not sure, but if that other guy wants to take me on in a "Storm vs. Magneto" thread, I will be more than willing to oblige him. We can just start a new thread for that. I haven't been posting many scans in this thread in rebuttle as I didn't want to cram it too much with "Storm vs. Magneto." This thread is about "DoomWar" and "Black Panther" and the characters' characterization which includes powers where Storm is concerned, but its not a "vs" thread.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 09, 2010, 07:39:27 pm
I think Emma is supposed to be around 30 or so. I remember when the Children of the Corn called her old (or something) and she replied that she was only 28. T'Challa, according to Priest, is only 33; since he was still a prince when he met Ororo, that should kill that "statutory rape" bullsh*t the fanbratti were spitting. Seriously, that was just sick.

Don't get me started on that "kiss". Please.

It no way she  (Emma) was New Mutants actually 27/28 unless you by in GM off handed rectons (which I don't).. No way she same age as her students the Hellions when she was trying to kill the New Mutants back in day.. How you have students & be younger-same age as them.. Before Grant Morrison in Gen X she was said to be like 13 years older than Banshee daughter Siryn who like 22-24...

Also in one of those old x-issue she (Emma) called Storm, Logan (who looks like he's in 30s at the time) & young ppl.. That not something a character/person would say if she was younger than then.. If Storm, Kurt & etc were in there early 20s then she had be 19 or something...  IMO at the youngest she 35-37 write now..


Also T'Challa being 33 ages him to fast for current sliding time scale in marvel imo.. Currently I'd say he like 29/31 which mean he's be King about 10-12 years which make sense since Franklin R, is about 10-12  years &  having the FF being active around 10-13 years since marvel time kind of works around when they became active..

IMO

Popz died 10-12
Went on walk about (met Strom)- 13-15
Return from walk about & train his @ss off- 17-18
Beat the current Black Panther (S'Yan) & became BP -19.
Meets the F4 -20
Went to the US, spyed & joined Avengers. Also while there he looked into his father death/assassination. Which would/could help explain why he stay so long along with become friend with some of the Avengers. - 21-22 (why he was going S'Yan & N'Gassi act as Regents while in US)
Jungle Action - 23-24
Jack Kirby BP- 24-25
the 80s - 25-26
The 90s Heroes reborn - 26-27
CJP Panther & Red Zone - 27-29
RH BP & JM BP / Current - 29-31

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 09, 2010, 07:54:06 pm
Ororo is supposed to be about 25, for those who are interested...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 09, 2010, 08:30:19 pm
Ororo is supposed to be about 25, for those who are interested...

Imo she's a lil older than 25.

Karma the oldest 3rd/4th gen X-Men/New Mutants is at a minimum 26 & Colossus is also 25/26 & Storm has to older than both of them sense Peter & she are supposed to have big/older sister & younger/lil brother relationship ... 

Karma was 19 (in 1980) when she join & Piotr 17 (in 1975) & Kurt was also 19 (in 75) when he join which make him 27-28.. Since Piotr was 17 when he join she at least had to 18 or 19 when she did which would put her at at least 27 which is also Iceman, Kurt & Gambit ages at the youngest.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 08:43:42 pm
Ororo is supposed to be about 25, for those who are interested...

...no.

Also T'Challa being 33 ages him to fast for current sliding time scale in marvel imo.. Currently I'd say he like 29/31 which mean he's be King about 10-12 years which make sense since Franklin R, is about 10-12  years &  having the FF being active around 10-13 years since marvel time kind of works around when they became active..

Priest says T'Challa has been king for 20 years. But that's PriestPanther, and I don't think Syan existed in his world, so...enh. I think he's a bit younger myself, but I can take 33. I get a little sick of people trying to make characters under 30 b/c they consider 30 to be old. Geez, give it a f*cking rest already.

I don't see Storm or T'Challa to be younger than 30, especially since Storm's father met Malcolm X when he was a babe in arms. Malcolm visited Africa in 1959 and 1964, so David was probably about three when Malcolm was murdered. HOWEVER, Storm has stated that she's been in the X-Men for 12 years. When Storm was seduced by Dracula circa 1980, she was in her "mid to late 20s." She simply cannot - CANNOT - have been born before 1982, not unless you start playing hard and fast with math.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 09, 2010, 09:20:14 pm
Sliding time scale?

I say she is about 28, t'challa about 30...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 09, 2010, 09:21:51 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on March 09, 2010, 09:46:28 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
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Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

This settles it for me

R.I.P. Shuri
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 09, 2010, 10:03:05 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2d6jgn7.jpg)

I will actually give this book another chance is Shuri is AHAHAHAHAHAHANIGGAPLEASE. But the thought pleases me anyway.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 10, 2010, 12:00:27 am
Storm was stated to be in her mid 20s circa Uncanny 159.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Naki on March 10, 2010, 03:23:55 am
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

One of those smart ass remarks that reveals absolutely nothing. Don't want to say yes for fear it'll ruin Doomwar sales and can't say no if they have something secret planned. Essentially, a non answer.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 10, 2010, 04:11:26 am
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

This settles it for me

R.I.P. Shuri

Highly doubt it. I remember Maberry talking about introducing a potential love interest for Shuri when DW is done.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 10, 2010, 06:00:34 am
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.

Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.

Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.

Storm definitely has the advantage in a fight against Magneto. He has stated on panel that Storm could beat him in a fight if she didn't hold back. Here's the thing about it, Storm controls the forces that dictates weather patterns which includes the same forces Magneto controls as well as a bunch of forces he does not control. First off, I don't buy that Magneto should be able to manipulate the iron in her blood in the middle of a fight.
If that's what you believe, you could have saved yourself a soliloquy.  :)

You haven't shown why he COULDN'T remove her iron. It would just be a thought on his part, to execute that maneuver, like spitting or blinking. Or do his powers work some other way? Let me tell you what I know: If Magneto pulls the iron out of her body, she's done. No if, ands, or buts about it (not unless she has a healing factor, like Logan). No iron means there is no way to get oxygen to into her system/bloodstream, iron also help convert blood sugar into energy (I'm guessing she still needs that, right). The brain needs 2 things, oxygen AND glucose. Once blood sugar levels start falling below 40-35 mg/dl, if you're not already unconscious(most folks would be), then you're having mucho difficulty forming coherent thoughts AND controlling body movement, equilibrium is gone, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking here. Having a strong will, wouldn't mean JACK, in that situation and neither would being able to shoot lightning, hurricane, etc. I haven't followed the X-Men in years so, can he still pull iron out of people's body? Yes or No.

Yes, Magneto can still pull the iron out of people's blood, however, Storm isn't going to stand there and just let him do it. While he can attack people internally with the iron in their blood, Storm can also attack internally by manipulating air, pressure, heat, etc in their body. She plays with air and pressure within people's body easily. What's to stop her from manipulation the pressure around Magneto's brain and instantly knocking him out if not kill him? This is a woman who creates tornadoes that fit in the palm of her hand. We've seen her control the air in people's lungs, what's to stop her from creating a mini tornado in Magneto's lungs and ripping them apart?

So it's basically like an old west shootout, only instead of Revolver's, it's who can THINK the fastest. Thanks.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 10, 2010, 06:06:47 am
Hey, don't we have another thread to discuss the Storm powers/vs Magneto war.

I am not sure, but if that other guy wants to take me on in a "Storm vs. Magneto" thread, I will be more than willing to oblige him. We can just start a new thread for that. I haven't been posting many scans in this thread in rebuttle as I didn't want to cram it too much with "Storm vs. Magneto." This thread is about "DoomWar" and "Black Panther" and the characters' characterization which includes powers where Storm is concerned, but its not a "vs" thread.
Take you on?  ::)

Yo, it ain't THAT serious, especially over characters owned by a corporation who have powers and abilities that can change/increase/diminish at a moments notice. None of this stuff is canon, like say, Lucasfilm characters.

And yeah, Storm is VERY powerful and VERY under appreciated.
'Nuff Said
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 10, 2010, 06:18:59 am
If we go by war of the Hulks, Storm JUST turned around 30. She has a birthday party in Wakanda (the X-men are guests). They don't give her age but she makes a crack about it being nice to know that she can still turn heads even at her "advanced age".

That's the kind of thing a 20-something says upon hitting the upper 20's(28-29) or 30.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 10, 2010, 07:57:45 am
If that's what you believe, you could have saved yourself a soliloquy.  :)

You haven't shown why he COULDN'T remove her iron. It would just be a thought on his part, to execute that maneuver, like spitting or blinking. Or do his powers work some other way? Let me tell you what I know: If Magneto pulls the iron out of her body, she's done. No if, ands, or buts about it (not unless she has a healing factor, like Logan). No iron means there is no way to get oxygen to into her system/bloodstream, iron also help convert blood sugar into energy (I'm guessing she still needs that, right). The brain needs 2 things, oxygen AND glucose. Once blood sugar levels start falling below 40-35 mg/dl, if you're not already unconscious(most folks would be), then you're having mucho difficulty forming coherent thoughts AND controlling body movement, equilibrium is gone, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking here. Having a strong will, wouldn't mean JACK, in that situation and neither would being able to shoot lightning, hurricane, etc. I haven't followed the X-Men in years so, can he still pull iron out of people's body? Yes or No.

Yes, Magneto can still pull the iron out of people's blood, however, Storm isn't going to stand there and just let him do it. While he can attack people internally with the iron in their blood, Storm can also attack internally by manipulating air, pressure, heat, etc in their body. She plays with air and pressure within people's body easily. What's to stop her from manipulation the pressure around Magneto's brain and instantly knocking him out if not kill him? This is a woman who creates tornadoes that fit in the palm of her hand. We've seen her control the air in people's lungs, what's to stop her from creating a mini tornado in Magneto's lungs and ripping them apart?

So it's basically like an old west shootout, only instead of Revolver's, it's who can THINK the fastest. Thanks.
This reminds me of Octavia Butler's Patternist novels. Highly powerful people trying to jack each other up.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Battle on March 10, 2010, 08:20:12 am

This reminds me of Octavia Butler's Patternist novels. Highly powerful people trying to jack each other up.


Now there's an excellent resource to mine from! ;)
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 10, 2010, 10:15:44 am
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

This settles it for me

R.I.P. Shuri

Highly doubt it. I remember Maberry talking about introducing a potential love interest for Shuri when DW is done.

That give me an idea... :D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 10, 2010, 04:23:41 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

One of those smart ass remarks that reveals absolutely nothing. Don't want to say yes for fear it'll ruin Doomwar sales and can't say no if they have something secret planned. Essentially, a non answer.


No acutally, someone already gave me the answer. Which is they have plans for the book after Doomwar...Yet it was ignored, I have more for the back and forth...
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Shade on March 10, 2010, 04:44:09 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

One of those smart ass remarks that reveals absolutely nothing. Don't want to say yes for fear it'll ruin Doomwar sales and can't say no if they have something secret planned. Essentially, a non answer.


No acutally, someone already gave me the answer. Which is they have plans for the book after Doomwar...Yet it was ignored, I have more for the back and forth...

Can you post them? So a brotha's mind can be at complete ease? lol
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 10, 2010, 07:43:16 pm
...................................... Yeah, like I said Superman rules have to be fully in effect for Storm to be usable most times.


Agreed. She dwarfs the X-Men villains in power as well including the likes of Magneto.


Do you really think so? I LOVE the Storm character(almost named my youngest daughter "Storm"), but against Magneto? Can he still pull a person's iron out of their body? If so, then it's game over.


Storm definitely has the advantage in a fight against Magneto. He has stated on panel that Storm could beat him in a fight if she didn't hold back. Here's the thing about it, Storm controls the forces that dictates weather patterns which includes the same forces Magneto controls as well as a bunch of forces he does not control. First off, I don't buy that Magneto should be able to manipulate the iron in her blood in the middle of a fight.

If that's what you believe, you could have saved yourself a soliloquy.  :)

You haven't shown why he COULDN'T remove her iron. It would just be a thought on his part, to execute that maneuver, like spitting or blinking. Or do his powers work some other way? Let me tell you what I know: If Magneto pulls the iron out of her body, she's done. No if, ands, or buts about it (not unless she has a healing factor, like Logan). No iron means there is no way to get oxygen to into her system/bloodstream, iron also help convert blood sugar into energy (I'm guessing she still needs that, right). The brain needs 2 things, oxygen AND glucose. Once blood sugar levels start falling below 40-35 mg/dl, if you're not already unconscious(most folks would be), then you're having mucho difficulty forming coherent thoughts AND controlling body movement, equilibrium is gone, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking here. Having a strong will, wouldn't mean JACK, in that situation and neither would being able to shoot lightning, hurricane, etc. I haven't followed the X-Men in years so, can he still pull iron out of people's body? Yes or No.


Yes, Magneto can still pull the iron out of people's blood, however, Storm isn't going to stand there and just let him do it. While he can attack people internally with the iron in their blood, Storm can also attack internally by manipulating air, pressure, heat, etc in their body. She plays with air and pressure within people's body easily. What's to stop her from manipulation the pressure around Magneto's brain and instantly knocking him out if not kill him? This is a woman who creates tornadoes that fit in the palm of her hand. We've seen her control the air in people's lungs, what's to stop her from creating a mini tornado in Magneto's lungs and ripping them apart?


So it's basically like an old west shootout, only instead of Revolver's, it's who can THINK the fastest. Thanks.



Well, if you're going to put it that way with the "quick on the draw" thing, I'll post these scans and then I'm done!
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5931/energyworld42xc.jpg

Notice in the scan above it states that Ororo can follow the electron signals in the nervous system and this gives her an advantage in any fight. In other words, she can follow the electrical impulses inside her opponent's nervous system, see what the guy is going to do and act fast enough to do something about it.

Also, according to my next scan, Storm can attack with her powers with less than a conscious thought:

http://img46.imageshack.us/i/lessthanacnsciousthoughfo4.jpg/

I credit her unity with the elements and the life force of the planet as being able to execute her desires before her conscious mind can catch up with everything.  The elements respond to her every whim even before she's conscious of it or something like that, I guess. It probably has something to do with her emotions. I mean, we all know that the weathen can echo her emotions. I don't know if that makes much sense, but all I know is she can attack with less than a conscious thought as its right in the scan. So Storm is very fast on the draw. Heck, there is wiggle room here for a writer to have her strike as fast as she needs to strike against any opponent.

Well, I guess its just time to let the whole thing go. Its not THAT serious, as you said. If well written and properly motivated, Storm has the advantage against Magneto. That is all I wanted to say.  ;D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 10, 2010, 07:49:38 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

One of those smart ass remarks that reveals absolutely nothing. Don't want to say yes for fear it'll ruin Doomwar sales and can't say no if they have something secret planned. Essentially, a non answer.


No acutally, someone already gave me the answer. Which is they have plans for the book after Doomwar...Yet it was ignored, I have more for the back and forth...

How recent was this answer you received? Was it after before or after Princesa got that letter in the mail about "Black Panther" being cancelled?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 10, 2010, 08:29:52 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

One of those smart ass remarks that reveals absolutely nothing. Don't want to say yes for fear it'll ruin Doomwar sales and can't say no if they have something secret planned. Essentially, a non answer.


No acutally, someone already gave me the answer. Which is they have plans for the book after Doomwar...Yet it was ignored, I have more for the back and forth...

How recent was this answer you received? Was it after before or after Princesa got that letter in the mail about "Black Panther" being cancelled?

Yes.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 10, 2010, 10:03:56 pm
How about Black Panther, is it cancelled, or will it return after Doomwar.
---ME
Quote
Depends entirely on whether there are any panthers left by the end of DOOMWAR. Maybe we'll do a DOOM, LORD OF WAKANDA series instead.

---Tom Brevoot

One of those smart ass remarks that reveals absolutely nothing. Don't want to say yes for fear it'll ruin Doomwar sales and can't say no if they have something secret planned. Essentially, a non answer.


No acutally, someone already gave me the answer. Which is they have plans for the book after Doomwar...Yet it was ignored, I have more for the back and forth...

How recent was this answer you received? Was it after before or after Princesa got that letter in the mail about "Black Panther" being cancelled?

Yes.


This struck me as funny.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 11, 2010, 05:21:06 am
If well written and properly motivated, Storm has the advantage against Magneto. That is all I wanted to say.  ;D

I remember when a non-cosmic powered Spider-Man beat the living crap out of Firelord over 20 years ago. The same Firelord who went toe-to-toe with Thor several times. I'm guessing ol' Spidey was "Properly Motivated" :D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 11, 2010, 08:38:58 am
This "VS" issue actually brings up a good point for the whole
cancelation topic.

On one side, we have people saying that "she's not that powerful, the
writers got it wrong"; on the other side, they say, "she can do X, see
these pages".  The first side says, "Doesn't matter what the pages show,
the writer was wrong, thus the pages are wrong."  And so on.

The thing is, readers don't agree on how powerful Storm is.  Sometimes
we think she is underwritten, like when she has trouble lifting
Wolverine with her winds and other times we think they overwrote her
when she controls "solar winds".  And other people may think either one
of those events is correct.

The same goes with BP.  Is the Priest interpretation correct or is the
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby interpretation correct?

But we have to remember that the writers are also readers/fans and they
have their own interpretations of past stories.  One writer may say that
the previous writer got it all wrong.  Or sometimes they want to
reinterpret the character or maybe better stated, turn the character
into something new.   (Priest did that with BP; David did that with the
Hulk.)

But no matter the motive, readers and writers come at these books with
views on what is the right "Storm" or what is the right "BP."  And since
the audience doesn't have a unified vision of these characters, it
becomes the issue for the writer to persuade enough readers that his
version is the best/right.  And this automatically means, some will
think the writer "got it wrong."

From what we've seen so far, JM had his vision of BP/Storm and Doomwar
his last chance to sell the readers/audience on his version. 
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 11, 2010, 09:06:10 am
The same goes with BP.  Is the Priest interpretation correct or is the
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby interpretation correct?

Say what?

Priest's interpretation of T'Challa was taken directly from what Stan AND Jack did.

Jack Kirby on his own,  Don McGregor, and Roy Thomas were the ones with differing interpretations.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 11, 2010, 09:30:41 am
The same goes with BP.  Is the Priest interpretation correct or is the
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby interpretation correct?


Say what?

Priest's interpretation of T'Challa was taken directly from what Stan AND Jack did.

Jack Kirby on his own,  Don McGregor, and Roy Thomas were the ones with differing interpretations.


(http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/BlackPantherSmoking440.jpg)
Lee and Kirby made BP more down to earth when he was relaxing. I wonder if that's a "Kool" or "Newport" he's smoking. But I bet that lighter is made of pure gold.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Battle on March 11, 2010, 09:46:12 am
(http://i34.tinypic.com/e14w01.jpg)

Now there's a panel that we'll never see again! ;D  T'Challa smoking?!?

When this comicbook was first released, television used to air cigarette commercials that would indicate 'coolness' or 'leisure'.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 11, 2010, 09:49:14 am
The same goes with BP.  Is the Priest interpretation correct or is the
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby interpretation correct?


Say what?

Priest's interpretation of T'Challa was taken directly from what Stan AND Jack did.

Jack Kirby on his own,  Don McGregor, and Roy Thomas were the ones with differing interpretations.


([url]http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/BlackPantherSmoking440.jpg[/url])
Lee and Kirby made BP more down to earth when he was relaxing. I wonder if that's a "Kool" or "Newport" he's smoking. But I bet that lighter is made of pure gold.


The reason we never saw that very much with Priest's version he was actively trying to not end up like the "Happy Pants" Panther. There's where the new look and the ultra aloof demeanor came from. It was still the same character, he was just going through some serious sh*t.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 11, 2010, 10:10:28 am
([url]http://i34.tinypic.com/e14w01.jpg[/url])

Now there's a panel that we'll never see again! ;D  T'Challa smoking?!?

When this comicbook was first released, television used to air cigarette commercials that would indicate 'coolness' or 'leisure'.


Marvel got  a little carried away back then:
(http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/IronManSmoking375.jpg)
Didn't Stark have a heart problem or something? ;D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 11, 2010, 12:21:32 pm
What's the difference between Priest and Kirby/Lee?  First and foremost, visually, their Wakanda is different--clothing and all.  Also Kirby/Lee version fought the FF to prove he was ready to fight Klaw and he got the FF's help.  He wasn't the ultra confident Priest version.  I also don't think Kirby/Lee version would have had an alterior motive for joining the Avengers.  He was much more direct and upfront.   All in all, Priest's was a harder version of BP.  And this is my point--when I read the FF first appearance, I don't see the Priest version.  Other people do.  Not everyone sees the characters the same, both the audience and the writers have "their" version in mind.  The writers have to persuade enough readers to like their take on the character.  If they don't, books get canceled.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 11, 2010, 12:35:47 pm
I wonder if that's a "Kool" or "Newport" he's smoking. But I bet that lighter is made of pure gold.

I want to know if it's a menthol or not.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 11, 2010, 12:39:10 pm
If well written and properly motivated, Storm has the advantage against Magneto. That is all I wanted to say.  ;D

I remember when a non-cosmic powered Spider-Man beat the living crap out of Firelord over 20 years ago. The same Firelord who went toe-to-toe with Thor several times. I'm guessing ol' Spidey was "Properly Motivated" :D

There is a major difference between Storm and Spiderman. Spiderman doesn't have the feats under his belt to be able to take on an antagonist like Firelord and he doesn't have the powerset unless he had a weapon like the cosmic cube and you're not telling me. Storm was VERY powerful from the get go and was stated to have power equal to that of Phoenix in an interview with the creator of Phoenix even way back when. She has tons of feats under her belt that Magneto can't even begin to compare with. In the past, the only reason Magneto has ever won against Storm when they've actually come to blows is because she's held back too much out of fear of killing him (he's even admitted that if she didn't hold back, she could beat him) AND aspects of her powers are written out of the issue to weaken her so that Magneto could win. So she is still too powerful for Magneto even WHEN she's holding back so she has to be weakened on top of her holding back for him to win. The reason I said a well written and properly motivated Storm could beat him is if well written, she will have all aspects of her powers and if properly motivated, she's not going to hold back to where he can win.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 11, 2010, 01:38:41 pm


Marvel got  a little carried away back then:
(http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/IronManSmoking375.jpg)
Didn't Stark have a heart problem or something? ;D
[/quote]

Tony has very well manicured (and lady-like) hands lol.  He looks like Mac from 'It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.'
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Kristopher on March 11, 2010, 01:45:13 pm
If well written and properly motivated, Storm has the advantage against Magneto. That is all I wanted to say.  ;D

I remember when a non-cosmic powered Spider-Man beat the living crap out of Firelord over 20 years ago. The same Firelord who went toe-to-toe with Thor several times. I'm guessing ol' Spidey was "Properly Motivated" :D

There is a major difference between Storm and Spiderman. Spiderman doesn't have the feats under his belt to be able to take on an antagonist like Firelord and he doesn't have the powerset unless he had a weapon like the cosmic cube and you're not telling me. Storm was VERY powerful from the get go and was stated to have power equal to that of Phoenix in an interview with the creator of Phoenix even way back when. She has tons of feats under her belt that Magneto can't even begin to compare with. In the past, the only reason Magneto has ever won against Storm when they've actually come to blows is because she's held back too much out of fear of killing him (he's even admitted that if she didn't hold back, she could beat him) AND aspects of her powers are written out of the issue to weaken her so that Magneto could win. So she is still too powerful for Magneto even WHEN she's holding back so she has to be weakened on top of her holding back for him to win. The reason I said a well written and properly motivated Storm could beat him is if well written, she will have all aspects of her powers and if properly motivated, she's not going to hold back to where he can win.

You're right. You've changed my opinion. If these 2 powerful beings BOTH are properly motivated...they kill each other.
Thanks.
Peace Out!
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 11, 2010, 01:45:49 pm
^^I wish you did not point that out about his hands, lol. The picture looks odd now.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 11, 2010, 06:49:03 pm
The same goes with BP.  Is the Priest interpretation correct or is the
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby interpretation correct?

Say what?

Priest's interpretation of T'Challa was taken directly from what Stan AND Jack did.

Jack Kirby on his own,  Don McGregor, and Roy Thomas were the ones with differing interpretations.


You are correct. Priest's Panther, was Stan and Jack's Panther from FF #52.

Priest Panther was also based off of Batman (and Ras Al Ghul). But the Panther was doing what they do now, back in 66. Batman is a detective with a kid side kick, while T'challa was the planning, prep master.

Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on March 11, 2010, 06:49:56 pm
([url]http://i34.tinypic.com/e14w01.jpg[/url])

Now there's a panel that we'll never see again! ;D  T'Challa smoking?!?

When this comicbook was first released, television used to air cigarette commercials that would indicate 'coolness' or 'leisure'.


He smoking Heart Shape Herbs. :D
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 12, 2010, 12:07:06 am
([url]http://i34.tinypic.com/e14w01.jpg[/url])

Now there's a panel that we'll never see again! ;D  T'Challa smoking?!?

When this comicbook was first released, television used to air cigarette commercials that would indicate 'coolness' or 'leisure'.


He smoking Heart Shape Herbs. :D


hahaha not trying to derail the thread, but Happy Pants Panther probably turned the Spear of Bashenga into a bong  :P
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 12, 2010, 02:48:40 am
Could someone explain to me what "Happy Pants" Panther means? I've only read a little of Priest, and a lot of Hudlin and all of Maberry's BP work. And just a TPB of Kirby's. So there's a lot about BP's past I am not up on.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 12, 2010, 03:42:22 am
Oh, I forgot the biggest difference between Kirby's Panther and Priest/Reggie Panther--Because Kirby n Stan created BP under 60's Comic Code Authority, he would not kill.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 12, 2010, 04:01:03 am
The same goes with BP.  Is the Priest interpretation correct or is the
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby interpretation correct?

Say what?

Priest's interpretation of T'Challa was taken directly from what Stan AND Jack did.

Jack Kirby on his own,  Don McGregor, and Roy Thomas were the ones with differing interpretations.

Oops, I just realized I said Roy Thomas, I MEANT Roger Stern.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 12, 2010, 04:08:36 am
Could someone explain to me what "Happy Pants" Panther means? I've only read a little of Priest, and a lot of Hudlin and all of Maberry's BP work. And just a TPB of Kirby's. So there's a lot about BP's past I am not up on.


http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/pantherh.htm
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Emperorjones on March 12, 2010, 02:38:30 pm
^
Thanks. Wish they had come up with a better name than "Happy Pants."
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 14, 2010, 10:57:08 am
Ororo is supposed to be about 25, for those who are interested...

...no.

Also T'Challa being 33 ages him to fast for current sliding time scale in marvel imo.. Currently I'd say he like 29/31 which mean he's be King about 10-12 years which make sense since Franklin R, is about 10-12  years &  having the FF being active around 10-13 years since marvel time kind of works around when they became active..

Priest says T'Challa has been king for 20 years. But that's PriestPanther, and I don't think Syan existed in his world, so...enh. I think he's a bit younger myself, but I can take 33. I get a little sick of people trying to make characters under 30 b/c they consider 30 to be old. Geez, give it a f*cking rest already.

I don't see Storm or T'Challa to be younger than 30, especially since Storm's father met Malcolm X when he was a babe in arms. Malcolm visited Africa in 1959 and 1964, so David was probably about three when Malcolm was murdered. HOWEVER, Storm has stated that she's been in the X-Men for 12 years. When Storm was seduced by Dracula circa 1980, she was in her "mid to late 20s." She simply cannot - CANNOT - have been born before 1982, not unless you start playing hard and fast with math.

Oh I have no probably with characters aging, I usually have prob will writers try to de-age characters.. Like Emma being to 27-28 now ain't no way in hell that make sense lol. lucky some writers dnt buy into either..) Or what writers did to Jubes & Kitty for years de-age after they be said to be older or etc.. Lucky they both are written like a 20 & 21 year old snow like they should be.

In current community T'Challa became  BP/ruler/Warrior King at 19 which is more believable to me while the most advance in the Marvel world would let a 13 year old (I know a 13 super genius but still) run the hold country especially when at the time (in story) there were at least 4 ppl (S'yan, N'Gassi, Ramonda & Zuri) more able & quantified to run Wakanda than him.. Also I can't see a 13 year oldT'Challa beating S'yan or Zuri in a fight, I think a 19 year old T'Challa could do it..

Yeah I know S'yan didn't exist in CP world, but Zuri & QM didn't exist JK world.. Which would still leave  N'Gassi (who the oldest living black panther supporting cast member.. he was created in the 70 by Kirby)he probably around Azzari the Wise  age & was more likely his friend/peer..So I think he would be a lil more quantified than 13 year old super genius T'Challa to run Wakanda maybe not be the BP but to run the country yes..

Yeah I think they are both either around or at 30 (that why I say 29-31 which also can make sense with in the marvel universe)..
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 14, 2010, 11:37:33 am
As far as aging/how old: give it up.  There is no internally consistent logic on how Marvel characters age.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 14, 2010, 03:06:13 pm
That's true, but if Kitty is in her early to mid 20s, Storm has to be in her early 30s. We've seen Kitty drinking beer, so she's 21 at the very least. It's impossible to guess age, but it's rare for some characters to age and others don't (except kids).
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 14, 2010, 03:48:16 pm
As far as aging/how old: give it up.  There is no internally consistent logic on how Marvel characters age.

That some what true but, when the FF debut in story is supposed to be the don of modern super heroes & the are modern teams (with them being 1st team).. So marvel for the most part doesn't let super heroes age or be active  long than the FF have been a team.. The FF have been active in story for about 11-13 years (If I remembering correctly it was Slott or Joe Q said this or it was both).. So Storm can never be X-Men long than 10-12 in story & Kitty can never get to say 25 that is until they change the # of years the FF been active/started there team.

That's true, but if Kitty is in her early to mid 20s, Storm has to be in her early 30s. We've seen Kitty drinking beer, so she's 21 at the very least. It's impossible to guess age, but it's rare for some characters to age and others don't (except kids).

True, I think Kitty is 21 maybe 22 at the most, I don't think it impossible to guess age to guess age hard/very hard some time yes but not impossible imo.. Kitty join the x-men like 1 or 2 years
marvel time with the slowed time scale (1975 to 1980) after Strom did & they both been with the X-Men for about 7-10 years imo.. I think Storm was 18-20 when she join  (but I could be wrong) which mean now she at least 29/30 & Kitty was 13/14 when he join.. so her being 21 make works..

Also it I agree about it being rare, Kitty, Jubes, Cannonball Moonstar, Cloak, & the other characters in there early 20s/late teens are the last generation of super heroes in marvel that can/will age some what..

Will be all be very old or long dead before Marvel will let (if at all) Franklin get 20 (he's like 9/11 now but he should be more like 15)..  
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Jenn on March 14, 2010, 03:57:06 pm
I'm interested to know how old Storm was when she was worshipped as a goddess. It seems to me that she was about 12-13 or so, then reigned until Xavier scooped her up until around 18-20, possibly younger.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: 4sake on March 14, 2010, 04:04:42 pm
I'm interested to know how old Storm was when she was worshipped as a goddess. It seems to me that she was about 12-13 or so, then reigned until Xavier scooped her up until around 18-20, possibly younger.

Me 2, Ive always guess she was 14/15 (He powered who be completely activated by then & I think she would have basic-good understand of how they work & etc like fly, make rain & lighting.) with her leave it behind & joining the X-Men at 19/20..
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Rutog98 on March 14, 2010, 07:51:47 pm
As far as aging/how old: give it up.  There is no internally consistent logic on how Marvel characters age.

Agreed. Claremont once said in an interview that the characters don't age because nobody wants to read about a 40 year old superhero. He then raised a rhetorical question to emphasize his point using Spiderman as the example. He asked, "If Spiderman were 40, would his book sell as well?" Of course, people like Wolverine are exceptions. The man is over 100 but ages slowly because of his healing factor. Older mutants like Banshee were eventually placed in the role of teachers of the next generation.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: BmoreAkuma on March 24, 2010, 03:21:06 pm
Hey Princesa,


This is what you were talking about right

Hey, Black Panther Fans!

Issue # 12 was the last issue for this series!

As a courtesy, we've transferred any remaining issues of your subscription to Daredevil, Marvel's critically acclaimed series featuring the man without fear!

If you already subscribe to Daredevil, your subscription will be extended by the number of issues you had remaining in your Black Panther subscription.

If you would prefer to transfer your subscription to a different title, please complete the form at the back of this letter and fax or mail it. Of course, we will refund the pro-rated amount of your subscription if you decide to say goodbye.

We look forward to receiving your subscription request.

Sincerely,
Marvel Subscriptions

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Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Naki on March 24, 2010, 04:22:18 pm
Hey Princesa,


This is what you were talking about right

Hey, Black Panther Fans!

Issue # 12 was the last issue for this series!

As a courtesy, we've transferred any remaining issues of your subscription to Daredevil, Marvel's critically acclaimed series featuring the man without fear!

If you already subscribe to Daredevil, your subscription will be extended by the number of issues you had remaining in your Black Panther subscription.

If you would prefer to transfer your subscription to a different title, please complete the form at the back of this letter and fax or mail it. Of course, we will refund the pro-rated amount of your subscription if you decide to say goodbye.

We look forward to receiving your subscription request.

Sincerely,
Marvel Subscriptions

([url]http://uploads.mibbit.com/1D4qyW.jpg[/url])


Yup, got my letter today with a copy of Daredevil. The crazy thing is that I already cancelled my subscription and received my Marvel check for the balance.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on March 28, 2010, 06:43:49 pm
Yep those were the notices. Incidentally I got a similar note for my Spider Woman being transferred to Black Widow but the difference was the last page of Spider Woman was Bendis explaining they couldn't do the series AND the motion comic because the motion comic was the equal to doing three regular ones. Also it was an ending because her teammates showed up to bail her out and tell her she wasn't alone.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Seven on April 07, 2010, 07:06:03 pm
I think the book is going to be retitled after reading something Axel Alsonso said at one of the Cons. He said point blank that Doomwar was a Black Panther story that could have been told in the Black Panther book...and it doubled and some the sales numbers with the title Doomwar.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on April 07, 2010, 07:43:35 pm
We've all said they might reboot the title.  That was never the issue.  We've just been saying the current series is over.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Princesa on April 08, 2010, 05:01:31 pm
I read the article, basically he said the story could have been in BP but Doomwar is selling two and a half times what BP did. I wish someone had asked them there some plans post DW.
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: supreme illuminati on April 09, 2010, 12:44:40 pm
I read the article, basically he said the story could have been in BP but Doomwar is selling two and a half times what BP did. I wish someone had asked them there some plans post DW.

Links,anyone?
Title: Re: Black Panther Cancelled??!!!
Post by: Battle on April 09, 2010, 01:55:27 pm
I think the book is going to be retitled after reading something Axel Alsonso said at one of the Cons. He said point blank that Doomwar was a Black Panther story that could have been told in the Black Panther book...and it doubled and some the sales numbers with the title Doomwar.



Which is interesting...

On my copy of DOOMWAR #2,  the squared area on the cover section where you'd normally see the bar code had the words inscribed:

Black Panther
 


...and check this out... years ago, when I first started picking up Black Panther at a Books-A-Million bookstore in my area, the receipt would read as a Daredevil title:

SKU: 001255764
Description: MRV DAREDEVIL
Qty: 1
Price: $3.99





Today, the receipt of DOOMWAR now reads:

SKU: 001262208
Description: MRV BLACK PANTHER
Qty: 1
Price: $3.99



Which indicates that DOOMWAR is really a Black Panther proxy. :-\
Bizarre, huh? ;D