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Title: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 07, 2010, 06:24:14 pm
So, Marvel doing something to hopefully attract the female audience to the comic book store. An all female team of comic book writers and artists doing a comic book

That they are calling Girl Comics!

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/01/07/girl-comics-2-cover-debut-exclusive/

Anybody think it will be successful?
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jenn on March 07, 2010, 06:46:47 pm
As successful as a girl Black Panther.  ::)
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 07, 2010, 07:24:39 pm
As successful as a girl Black Panther.  ::)

It just started! Give it time!  :-\
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 08, 2010, 12:55:28 am
Marvel is trying to court the indy market that they have pretty much let DC have with Vertigo.

Also they get to honor and reestablish ties fan faves like Ann Nocenti, Devin Grayson and Louise Simonson.

So the whole thing is a  win win no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Tahdigga on March 08, 2010, 07:06:14 am
I'll check it out at my LCS when it drops but by the look of the first issue's art I can tell I might not like it.

It is nice to see Marvel courting the female audience. We'll see how long this will last and how far they will go.

I'm also lovin the cover of issue 3 of this mini. All thats missing is Pulsar of course  ;)
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jenn on March 08, 2010, 05:54:51 pm
It just started! Give it time!  :-\

Here's a wild suggestion: why not put these competent female writers on comics that they would normally give to men? Hell, Black Panther is about to re-re-re-relaunch any day...
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 08, 2010, 07:44:20 pm
um the Nannites won't let them  ;)
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 08, 2010, 09:07:50 pm
It just started! Give it time!  :-\

Here's a wild suggestion: why not put these competent female writers on comics that they would normally give to men? Hell, Black Panther is about to re-re-re-relaunch any day...

They gave Louise Simonson X-Factor Forever.

Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Kristopher on March 09, 2010, 06:31:27 am
So, Marvel doing something to hopefully attract the female audience to the comic book store. An all female team of comic book writers and artists doing a comic book

That they are calling Girl Comics!

[url]http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/01/07/girl-comics-2-cover-debut-exclusive/[/url]

Anybody think it will be successful?


I don't know, it seems that most women/young girls aren't that into comic books. Yes, I know that manga/anime has a big female market/readership, but for the "mainstream" stuff, it seems more exception rather then the rule. I have 2 daughters(14 and 5 years old) and about 30,000 comics in the basement and a extra bedroom. They're just not interested, neither are their friends(female AND male). They KNOW the characters (because of me), will watch the cartoons(with me), but on their own, they and their friends have other things they find more interesting. I used to buy Spider-Girl for my oldest, she liked it, but she wasn't pressed about it, and stated she rather spend her allowance on a novel(with a complete story) or magazine over a $3.99 comic book that she can read in about 5 minutes or less. Maybe it's just in my area (Baltimore/DC Metro). Maybe ASKING women/young girls what THEY'D like to see in a Superheroine (outfit, powers, background, etc.).

Sorry for rambling.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 09, 2010, 07:42:16 am
So, Marvel doing something to hopefully attract the female audience to the comic book store. An all female team of comic book writers and artists doing a comic book

That they are calling Girl Comics!

[url]http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/01/07/girl-comics-2-cover-debut-exclusive/[/url]

Anybody think it will be successful?


I don't know, it seems that most women/young girls aren't that into comic books. Yes, I know that manga/anime has a big female market/readership, but for the "mainstream" stuff, it seems more exception rather then the rule. I have 2 daughters(14 and 5 years old) and about 30,000 comics in the basement and a extra bedroom. They're just not interested, neither are their friends(female AND male). They KNOW the characters (because of me), will watch the cartoons(with me), but on their own, they and their friends have other things they find more interesting. I used to buy Spider-Girl for my oldest, she liked it, but she wasn't pressed about it, and stated she rather spend her allowance on a novel(with a complete story) or magazine over a $3.99 comic book that she can read in about 5 minutes or less. Maybe it's just in my area (Baltimore/DC Metro). Maybe ASKING women/young girls what THEY'D like to see in a Superheroine (outfit, powers, background, etc.).

Sorry for rambling.


MY. GOD. :o

Does everybody on the HEF but me have a separate room for all thier cool stuff?  :'(

Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Catch22 on March 09, 2010, 09:00:20 am
So, Marvel doing something to hopefully attract the female audience to the comic book store. An all female team of comic book writers and artists doing a comic book

That they are calling Girl Comics!

[url]http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/01/07/girl-comics-2-cover-debut-exclusive/[/url]

Anybody think it will be successful?


I don't know, it seems that most women/young girls aren't that into comic books. Yes, I know that manga/anime has a big female market/readership, but for the "mainstream" stuff, it seems more exception rather then the rule. I have 2 daughters(14 and 5 years old) and about 30,000 comics in the basement and a extra bedroom. They're just not interested, neither are their friends(female AND male). They KNOW the characters (because of me), will watch the cartoons(with me), but on their own, they and their friends have other things they find more interesting. I used to buy Spider-Girl for my oldest, she liked it, but she wasn't pressed about it, and stated she rather spend her allowance on a novel(with a complete story) or magazine over a $3.99 comic book that she can read in about 5 minutes or less. Maybe it's just in my area (Baltimore/DC Metro). Maybe ASKING women/young girls what THEY'D like to see in a Superheroine (outfit, powers, background, etc.).

Sorry for rambling.


MY. GOD. :o

Does everybody on the HEF but me have a separate room for all thier cool stuff?  :'(





Um...YES!  ;D
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 09, 2010, 09:06:16 am
I used to buy Spider-Girl for my oldest, she liked it, but she wasn't pressed about it, and stated she rather spend her allowance on a novel(with a complete story) or magazine over a $3.99 comic book that she can read in about 5 minutes or less.

3.99! I think that's killing the industry more then anything. I know Marvel hopes to get new younger readers but I think the biggest obstacle is to expect people with limited income (kids) to spend that money on a single comic. I think it's better to buy the trades.

If so, do you guys think it will work/sell better as a trade rather then a single issue. It seems more people are into buying trades anyway.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Cage on March 09, 2010, 12:41:11 pm


3.99! I think that's killing the industry more then anything.

 It seems more people are into buying trades anyway.


Its. The only way to get a frikkin story.  Its like a writer can't tell as story in 1 book.  I miss my Savage Sword of Conan Days.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 09, 2010, 12:51:56 pm

Its. The only way to get a frikkin story.  Its like a writer can't tell a story in 1 book.  I miss my Savage Sword of Conan Days.

I think it's really hard to tell a story in 36 pages! The art is suppose to say a thousand words but most artist just don't do that. Not in comics anyway. Especially, when I bet you have an editor that's telling writers to drag out a story to get more of your money.

Although, I think they are doing amazing things with Thor!
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Vic Vega on March 09, 2010, 07:04:48 pm
Stan Lee had a saying that evey comc bought was somebody first so you had to let the reader know everything he/she needed to know in about the character in each and every issue.

That's why you used to get so many recaps and "see last issue" boxes in your old comics.

Then Jim Shooter came along and said no story no matter how good it was needed to be longer than three issues and that's if you were a freaking genius. Everybody else had to do it in two issues or else.

Now that he's gone and the inmates are running the asylum writers can be as self-indulgent as they want. They let dudes drone on and on and say "it'll read better in the trade".

I can go to the biggest bookstore I can find and the trade section is always 1/4 of the size of the Manga section.

Trades aren't exactly selling like hotcakes, is my point.  
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 10, 2010, 12:36:43 pm
Multipart stories are good, but they need to be intermixed with single part stories.  Of course that can mean returning to most pages having 9 panels and splash pages reserved for the "punch" instead of a book of splashes/near splashes month in and mouth out.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 10, 2010, 04:56:01 pm
You know, trades aren't selling like hotcakes because people aren't picking up the single issues. However, what if you changed the format to something like Manga which seems ... more cost effective? It takes about an hour or so to read. I feel that you get more of your moneies worth with that style.

Plus, the japanese manga stories have a way of bring in the female audience that Marvel wants to pull over with Girl Comics.

I mean this is obviously what girl comics is for.

To market to an untap audience. Which is why marvel did that mangaverse a few years back.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 10, 2010, 05:36:54 pm
Yeah, but if you want to sell to a new audience, you need to sell in more places than the LCS.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Tahdigga on March 10, 2010, 06:41:40 pm
I looked through this today and I wasn't impressed at all. It had one flimsy lookin picture of Storm and thats it, and it had some other stories involving some other Marvel women and I still wasn't impressed with the other writers stories or art. I will definitely pass on issue one. Lets see how #2 fares.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 10, 2010, 10:11:45 pm
Yeah, but if you want to sell to a new audience, you need to sell in more places than the LCS.

Exactly right. You know Archie Comics are sold in grocery stores and I hear they have the highest seller ship (Don't ask me where I heard ... might not be reliable because I can't remember where) but it makes sense.

I remember when I was younger they were just there and I picked them up every now and then.
However with the others you have to go to the LCBS!

As for the 1st issue being 'meh'. I would have to agree.

Also trades in almost every book store. Not to the same level as Manga I think. But you can find them in any book store.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Kristopher on March 11, 2010, 06:49:31 am
Yeah, but if you want to sell to a new audience, you need to sell in more places than the LCS.

Indeed!
In my area, there used to be a Black-interest bookstore chain called Karibu that had a section set aside for Black Panther, Boondocks and other comics (Trades/Graphic Novels) featuring Black folk. If I had a Graphic Novel or trade coming out, black bookstore is were I would hit up first.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 11, 2010, 07:53:49 am
I miss Karibu. Damn shame they're gone.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: 4sake on March 11, 2010, 08:33:11 am
I looked through this today and I wasn't impressed at all. It had one flimsy lookin picture of Storm and thats it, and it had some other stories involving some other Marvel women and I still wasn't impressed with the other writers stories or art. I will definitely pass on issue one. Lets see how #2 fares.

What other characters were in # 1? Any Jubilee?
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 11, 2010, 08:40:22 am


What other characters were in # 1? Any Jubilee?

I don't think so but I hear Dr. Octopus makes an appearance.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 11, 2010, 08:50:09 am

Its. The only way to get a frikkin story.  Its like a writer can't tell a story in 1 book.  I miss my Savage Sword of Conan Days.

I think it's really hard to tell a story in 36 pages! The art is suppose to say a thousand words but most artist just don't do that. Not in comics anyway. Especially, when I bet you have an editor that's telling writers to drag out a story to get more of your money. 

Really...?

A really good comicbook team can tell a good story in 1 issue.
A really, really good comicbook team can tell a good story in 2 pages.

---but an expert comicbook team can tell a damn good story in 3-4 panels.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 11, 2010, 08:51:12 pm

A really good comicbook team can tell a good story in 1 issue.
A really, really good comicbook team can tell a good story in 2 pages.

---but an expert comicbook team can tell a damn good story in 3-4 panels.


example of expert comicbook team then! 3-4 panels?! I must have miss something.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: 4sake on March 12, 2010, 04:54:58 am


What other characters were in # 1? Any Jubilee?


I don't think so but I hear Dr. Octopus makes an appearance.

Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 12, 2010, 07:21:05 am

A really good comicbook team can tell a good story in 1 issue.
A really, really good comicbook team can tell a good story in 2 pages.

---but an expert comicbook team can tell a damn good story in 3-4 panels.


example of expert comicbook team then! 3-4 panels?! I must have miss something.




Just open a daily newspaper and browse the comics page.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 12, 2010, 05:28:18 pm

example of expert comicbook team then! 3-4 panels?! I must have miss something.




Just open a daily newspaper and browse the comics page.

That's a little different! Isn't it XD
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 13, 2010, 07:13:32 am
That's a little different! Isn't it XD


Not really. :)

Comics are comics, aren't they?

Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 13, 2010, 07:54:03 am
That's a little different! Isn't it XD


Not really. :)

Comics are comics, aren't they?



No;  Comic Strips rarely tell the full story within 3 panels.  They're more often scenes, chapters or jokes.  They're not full stories with beginings, middles and endings.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 13, 2010, 06:44:31 pm


Comics are comics, aren't they?



No;  Comic Strips rarely tell the full story within 3 panels.  They're more often scenes, chapters or jokes.  They're not full stories with beginings, middles and endings.

 :o

DEBATE!!!  ;D

Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 15, 2010, 09:00:08 am
No;  Comic Strips rarely tell the full story within 3 panels.  They're more often scenes, chapters or jokes.  They're not full stories with beginings, middles and endings.



I'm going to have to disagree with you there. 

If you look at the pages of comicbooks, ok... let's say, superhero comics.  Let's say, MARVEL comicbooks...

When you look at those pages, the stories are told in 3-4 panel scenes, or jokes especially the older MARVEL comics from the 60s, 70s and 80s.
Some are told in one page like a script but all of the pages are compiled into a book.
Well, that's the same way those comics in the newspapers are formatted.  That's why you'd see a 'compendium' or compilation of a those panels formatted into a book like Peanuts or The Boondocks.   
Spider-Man (and I think I remember seeing Howard The Duck, too) was once in the newspapers next to Beetle Bailey, y'know! ;)


Comics are comics.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 15, 2010, 09:04:56 pm
No;  Comic Strips rarely tell the full story within 3 panels.  They're more often scenes, chapters or jokes.  They're not full stories with beginings, middles and endings.



I'm going to have to disagree with you there. 

If you look at the pages of comicbooks, ok... let's say, superhero comics.  Let's say, MARVEL comicbooks...

When you look at those pages, the stories are told in 3-4 panel scenes, or jokes especially the older MARVEL comics from the 60s, 70s and 80s.
Some are told in one page like a script but all of the pages are compiled into a book.
Well, that's the same way those comics in the newspapers are formatted.  That's why you'd see a 'compendium' or compilation of a those panels formatted into a book like Peanuts or The Boondocks.   
Spider-Man (and I think I remember seeing Howard The Duck, too) was once in the newspapers next to Beetle Bailey, y'know! ;)


Comics are comics.

yeah, but those are just used for jokes. Right?
You couldn't tell deeper stories with such a style of only 3-4 panels.

and as for the Spiderman story you mentioned, I remember those. It took weeks ... say months to finish one story arc.

what you say is true but it only works in the case of comedy. Anything else it falls apart.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 16, 2010, 09:26:00 am
what you say is true but it only works in the case of comedy. Anything else it falls apart.



No, it's not.  Everything I wrote is pretty solid and straightforward.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 16, 2010, 03:41:59 pm
Yes, Comics are Comics, but a 3 panel strip isn't necessarily a story.

A (short) story is characterized by 4 things, a plot, a setting,
characters and a theme.  Comic strips do not introduce all of these and
complete all of these within the space of 3 panels.  Characters are
usually introduced in previous episodes.  Plots are more than a single
gag. And many of their stories take days, weeks or even months to tell.

But I guess I can't totally dismiss the idea that a whole story can be
told in 3 panels, but I guess that depends on how you define "story."
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 17, 2010, 12:00:12 pm
Yes, Comics are Comics, but a 3 panel strip isn't necessarily a story.

A (short) story is characterized by 4 things, a plot, a setting,
characters and a theme.  Comic strips do not introduce all of these and
complete all of these within the space of 3 panels.  Characters are
usually introduced in previous episodes.  Plots are more than a single
gag. And many of their stories take days, weeks or even months to tell.



Yes, it is.

A 3-4 panel comic strip does contain any of the following elements:

A plot... a setting...   ...characters and a theme.


A good  example would be The Boondocks.  Anyone who has read this comic strip when it was in syndication knows that Huey Freeman , and his brother Riley and their Grandad lived in a suburban community called Woodcrest. Their next door neighbor is Tom , Sarah Dubois and their little daughter, Jazmine.  Its common theme would be 3 main African-American characters that represent 3 different generations of the African-American experience living in the same house.  There was one plot where during the 2000 elections, Sarah kicked Tom out of the house because of their political differences which lead to Tom staying temporarily with the Freemans.  This plot was later translated to the animated version of the The Boondocks, but thatís a different topic altogether.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 17, 2010, 02:36:24 pm
Just the opposite; reading one days strip gives you one "chapter", one exchange of diaglogue.  To get the full story you have to read multiple days.  Stories have a Beginning, a Middle, and an End.  A single strip that continues its theme and plot into tmr's strip didn't tell the whole story in one strip. 
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 18, 2010, 07:08:02 am
Just the opposite; reading one days strip gives you one "chapter", one exchange of diaglogue.  To get the full story you have to read multiple days.  Stories have a Beginning, a Middle, and an End.  A single strip that continues its theme and plot into tmr's strip didn't tell the whole story in one strip. 


No, you're wrong.

If you want the 'whole story', you must keep reading.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 18, 2010, 08:04:39 am
<<No, you're wrong.If you want the 'whole story', you must keep reading.>>

By using the world "whole story" you prove my point.  You have a taste of the story a part of the story, but not the whole story.  And it is story, not stories.

But look at this way--multi-day strip is often a conversation, (which btw, is not a story).  But it is really no different than one page of a novel where the characters are talking back and worth.  Alone, the segments of that converasation are not a story.  Even the entire conversation pulled out whole is not a story..

A complete story must be whole to be a complete story.  An excerpt, a clip, segment of the whole isn't a story. 
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 18, 2010, 08:19:51 am
A complete story must be whole to be a complete story.  An excerpt, a clip, segment of the whole isn't a story. 



You're still wrong.

If what you say is true, then you should stop reading superhero comicbooks at the end of a 'part 6 of 6' story. 

...right?(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/shy.gif)
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Kristopher on March 18, 2010, 09:29:36 am
A complete story must be whole to be a complete story.  An excerpt, a clip, segment of the whole isn't a story. 



You're still wrong.

If what you say is true, then you should stop reading superhero comicbooks at the end of a 'part 6 of 6' story. 

...right?([url]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/shy.gif[/url])


Huh?
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 18, 2010, 10:17:46 am
When you buy a comic book, and you read part 6, you have not read the whole story unless you also read parts 1 thru 5 too.  There are reasons writers say "to be continued" or "the end".  Once you hit the end, the first story is done, and the next story begins.  But you don't need to read the next story to get the whole picture of the current storyline. 
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Battle on March 20, 2010, 06:51:17 am
When you buy a comic book, and you read part 6, you have not read the whole story unless you also read parts 1 thru 5 too.  There are reasons writers say "to be continued" or "the end".  Once you hit the end, the first story is done, and the next story begins.  But you don't need to read the next story to get the whole picture of the current storyline. 


Here's my point:

When it comes to comics, especially comicbooks, a 3-4 panel comic strip does contain a story.  Yeah, sure, a writer can 'end' the story of a comic or a writer can 'continue' the story but whether it is a 3-4 panel strip, a two page comic or a book that compiles both... it is still a story.
I would even say that one can tell a story in one panel.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Princesa on March 21, 2010, 01:11:06 pm
I like Manga goes for  a female audience speaking of "girl comics" btw way the best "girl comic" might be Power Girl and it needs some support.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 22, 2010, 09:37:11 am
my wife liked the few issues of Golddigger i got for her.
Title: Re: Girl Comics!
Post by: Jay on March 22, 2010, 07:25:06 pm
enough to make her a fan?