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Title: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 11, 2010, 10:17:53 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4659 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4659)

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/650016di4659/prv4659_pg2.jpg)

 ;D

Love the Eaton art... and T'challa face in the last panel.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: DJfunkyPuddle on March 12, 2010, 12:10:44 am
OH SH!t  :o  Notice he said that Shuri killed them all!?!?  Just wow.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Open palm on March 12, 2010, 01:39:22 am
Peter the Great would have been impressed. Oh yeah.  ;D
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: BBeeryan on March 12, 2010, 02:39:16 am
I'll be getting this early Wednesday morning. I'll buy a copy for Jenn, too. LOL
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 12, 2010, 03:47:22 am
OH SH!t  :o  Notice he said that Shuri killed them all!?!?  Just wow.

Mr. Maberry did say Shuri was gonna go off the deep end.

This preview is WAY better than the one they're showing for Siege.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Open palm on March 12, 2010, 04:28:57 am
OH SH!t  :o  Notice he said that Shuri killed them all!?!?  Just wow.

Mr. Maberry did say Shuri was gonna go off the deep end.

This preview is WAY better than the one they're showing for Siege.

I'm so glad I'm collecting this. Siege needs more dead people.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: 4sake on March 12, 2010, 04:56:33 am
OH SH!t  :o  Notice he said that Shuri killed them all!?!?  Just wow.

I'm likely Shuri more & more.. ;D
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: stanleyballard on March 12, 2010, 06:41:40 am
This is the best Marvel event....writing, art and overall themes.....top notch....Maberry & Eaton put their creative foots all in this mix....looks like another top seller!!!
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Princesa on March 12, 2010, 06:50:58 am
I don't want a Dora slaughter :'( I like them
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Vic Vega on March 12, 2010, 07:35:48 am
I don't want a Dora slaughter :'( I like them

The Doras are in a worse position than King Leo was in 300 and…they seem HAPPY about it.  They can probably move faster than the Wakandan regulars but they are still outmanned and outgunned. 

On the one hand the Desturi has no high command anymore. On the other the Desturi sure as hell aren’t going to surrender now. They have got the numbers and have nothing to lose. Unless the populace of Wakanda decides to fight the Desturi, it doesn’t look good for the Doras.   
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 12, 2010, 07:45:45 am
I don't want a Dora slaughter :'( I like them

The Doras are in a worse position than King Leo was in 300 and…they seem HAPPY about it.  They can probably move faster than the Wakandan regulars but they are still outmanned and outgunned. 

On the one hand the Desturi has no high command anymore. On the other the Desturi sure as hell aren’t going to surrender now. They have got the numbers and have nothing to lose. Unless the populace of Wakanda decides to fight the Desturi, it doesn’t look good for the Doras.   


Ah but lets keep in mind the Dora have all new training and upgrades. Just 30 of them were surrounded and being attacked by killer robots and deadly magic and only 2 of them died. I think the Dora's are gonna whup some ass.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 12, 2010, 07:52:34 am
Hmm, since the X-men are Utopia's military, does this mean Utopia, has without sanction, sucessfully invaded Wakanda?  (I know the Royals helped, but getting inside help is a legitmate tactic in an invasion.). (NOTE; I said "invasion" not "conquer".)
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Battle on March 12, 2010, 08:16:58 am
I don't want a Dora slaughter :'( I like them

The Doras are in a worse position than King Leo was in 300 and…they seem HAPPY about it.  They can probably move faster than the Wakandan regulars but they are still outmanned and outgunned. 


I think it's because The Dora Milaje (Wakandans in general) have no fear. 

What I liked most about Mr. Hudlin's run on Black Panther is the extreme amount of confidence instilled in T'challa's family and the Wakandans. In all my years reading about the Black Panther, I've never seen the character written that way.   

Mr. Priest gave Black Panther the awe and confidence we always wanted to see continued from Stan & Jack and Hudlin really, really reinforced that idea. 
Now, there is no more looking back at the times Black Panther was always written as a pariah like in the late 70s, all through the 80s.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Mastrmynd on March 12, 2010, 02:52:18 pm
okay, looks like i'm gonna have to go and get Doomwar!
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: supreme illuminati on March 16, 2010, 02:50:50 pm
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4659[/url] ([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4659[/url])

([url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/650016di4659/prv4659_pg2.jpg[/url])

 ;D

Love the Eaton art... and T'challa face in the last panel.


*Pumps fist in the air,Panther-gasms!*
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 17, 2010, 06:04:21 am
See, all those people who were worried that Nightcrawler was written out of character about the killing--this is a perfect way to show his reaction to it, without belaboring the point.  (I mean, I agree, Kurt would not be totally at ease with the killing, but this reaction is exactly what I'd expect.)
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 17, 2010, 07:08:02 am
See, all those people who were worried that Nightcrawler was written out of character about the killing--this is a perfect way to show his reaction to it, without belaboring the point.  (I mean, I agree, Kurt would not be totally at ease with the killing, but this reaction is exactly what I'd expect.)

While I agree it's in character for Kurt to show some reaction, I doesn't always need to or is shown.

I don't remember Kurt saying anything when Colossus killed Proteus, or saying anything about Peter snapping riptides neck during Mutant Massacre. There have been plenty of times where someone has killed someone else and kurt has said nothing.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 17, 2010, 07:10:47 am
See, all those people who were worried that Nightcrawler was written out of character about the killing--this is a perfect way to show his reaction to it, without belaboring the point.  (I mean, I agree, Kurt would not be totally at ease with the killing, but this reaction is exactly what I'd expect.)

While I agree it's in character for Kurt to show some reaction, I doesn't always need to or is shown.

I don't remember Kurt saying anything when Colossus killed Proteus, or saying anything about Peter snapping riptides neck during Mutant Massacre. There have been plenty of times where someone has killed someone else and kurt has said nothing.

in Mutant Mascare he was nearly killed, and iirc it was before Peter killed.  and no i didnt NEED to see that reaction, but it did fit.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: BmoreAkuma on March 17, 2010, 07:33:58 am
See, all those people who were worried that Nightcrawler was written out of character about the killing--this is a perfect way to show his reaction to it, without belaboring the point.  (I mean, I agree, Kurt would not be totally at ease with the killing, but this reaction is exactly what I'd expect.)
they were worried for no reason. It isnt an integral part of the story.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 17, 2010, 07:50:47 am
See, all those people who were worried that Nightcrawler was written out of character about the killing--this is a perfect way to show his reaction to it, without belaboring the point.  (I mean, I agree, Kurt would not be totally at ease with the killing, but this reaction is exactly what I'd expect.)

While I agree it's in character for Kurt to show some reaction, I doesn't always need to or is shown.

I don't remember Kurt saying anything when Colossus killed Proteus, or saying anything about Peter snapping riptides neck during Mutant Massacre. There have been plenty of times where someone has killed someone else and kurt has said nothing.

in Mutant Mascare he was nearly killed, and iirc it was before Peter killed.  and no i didnt NEED to see that reaction, but it did fit.

I know he was taken out before Peter killed riptide but it wasn't followed up on when they were healing up on Muir island.

I guarantee you the same people who are always nitpicking things to death will be doing so today after the next issue is released. They'll find something, they always do.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 17, 2010, 07:54:09 am
BP and Storm fans do the same thing when someone doesn't write them as they think they should be.  (Most recently I did the same thing when I saw Red Ghost take out BP without a struggle and BP looked scared to me when he was captured.)
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 17, 2010, 08:03:05 am
BP and Storm fans do the same thing when someone doesn't write them as they think they should be.  (Most recently I did the same thing when I saw Red Ghost take out BP without a struggle and BP looked scared to me when he was captured.)

But there's a difference between not liking how a character is portrayed and not liking a character reacting to some situations the exact same way each and every time.

Expecting Kurt to be shocked or stunned everytime someone is killed would be like going into a long exposition about Mystique being his mother every time he sees her. I remember Ed Brubaker saying that was on of the things he hated about writing the X-Books. Just because he didn't make it a point acknowledge every single thing is X-men history people acted as if he didn't know.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Vic Vega on March 17, 2010, 08:23:08 am
My issue with that is-consider who his teammates are.

Logan and Psylocke kill on the regular.

I had no problem with his reaction but I would not have complained if there had been no reaction.

Kurt's the first guy in the story to bring up the possibility of fatalities.

Then a little later Shuri gives her "Surrender or else!" speech to the Desturi.

It not like what happened after was a surprise for Kurt in that context.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: 4sake on March 17, 2010, 10:22:38 am
See, all those people who were worried that Nightcrawler was written out of character about the killing--this is a perfect way to show his reaction to it, without belaboring the point.  (I mean, I agree, Kurt would not be totally at ease with the killing, but this reaction is exactly what I'd expect.)

While I agree it's in character for Kurt to show some reaction, I doesn't always need to or is shown.

I don't remember Kurt saying anything when Colossus killed Proteus, or saying anything about Peter snapping riptides neck during Mutant Massacre. There have been plenty of times where someone has killed someone else and kurt has said nothing.

in Mutant Mascare he was nearly killed, and iirc it was before Peter killed.  and no i didnt NEED to see that reaction, but it did fit.

I know he was taken out before Peter killed riptide but it wasn't followed up on when they were healing up on Muir island.

I guarantee you the same people who are always nitpicking things to death will be doing so today after the next issue is released. They'll find something, they always do.

I agree..
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: 4sake on March 17, 2010, 10:30:42 am
BP and Storm fans do the same thing when someone doesn't write them as they think they should be.  (Most recently I did the same thing when I saw Red Ghost take out BP without a struggle and BP looked scared to me when he was captured.)

Theres a difference between being JOBBED (which BP was in Hlk 20) & Kurt not having heart attack/laying down & crying for something that both Logan, Colossus, and yellow faced Psylocke have down in front of him. And what Iceman, Magik, Lorna,  Havok & etc have also done while being his team mates. Also more X-Men have killed those are just one I can think of while he was around, or near or on the same team with at the time.  

Now if Kurt was written as only being able to move one person at a time in DW or BP then I'd agree with you about it being the same or being something for fans to be mad about..
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 17, 2010, 10:33:12 am
Well, on CBR I called them all out. There is nothing to nitpick about. Doomwar #2 was awesome.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: KIP LEWIS on March 17, 2010, 10:33:52 am
No there isn't.  You think it was bad portyal of BP, they think it is a bad protrayal of Nightcrawler.  It is the same thing.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 17, 2010, 10:37:24 am
But it's not a  bad protrayal of Nightcrawler. It just some folk do nitpick things to death. They nitpick without using there heads. This is a 6 issue series. So the nitpickers on the Nightcrawler issue, look pretty stupid after Doomwar #2.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Bashengas Rage on March 17, 2010, 10:44:12 am
But it's not a  bad protrayal of Nightcrawler. It just some folk do nitpick things to death. They nitpick without using there heads. This is a 6 issue series. So the nitpickers on the Nightcrawler issue, look pretty stupid after Doomwar #2.

Exactly. Now if Nightcrawler had been in there snapping necks with and yelling "kill them all" i'd agree but considering early in that same issue he voiced his discomfort with the killing he knew was probably going to take place and how he doesn't always bring up how he's against killing when various X-Men are doing it I don't see the problem.

If I recall correctly didn't he try and kill Magik not too long ago?
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Shade on March 17, 2010, 10:48:00 am
But it's not a  bad protrayal of Nightcrawler. It just some folk do nitpick things to death. They nitpick without using there heads. This is a 6 issue series. So the nitpickers on the Nightcrawler issue, look pretty stupid after Doomwar #2.

Pretty much. After reading #2 everything that  people nitpicked about Nightcrawler and Doom has been put to rest here. NC even tried to scold Shuri about her killings and the image she would have as ruler. And Doom was pretty much bluffing on the threats in the end.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 17, 2010, 10:50:30 am
The nitpickters of Nightcrawler... look like fools after issue #2. I mean, this is the perfect example of why you should not nitpick, and allow a story to play out before acting like the world has ended. It's there...and I laughed at this fact when I read it. Nightcrawler's characterazation is fine.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 17, 2010, 10:52:58 am
But it's not a  bad protrayal of Nightcrawler. It just some folk do nitpick things to death. They nitpick without using there heads. This is a 6 issue series. So the nitpickers on the Nightcrawler issue, look pretty stupid after Doomwar #2.

Pretty much. After reading #2 everything that  people nitpicked about Nightcrawler and Doom has been put to rest here. NC even tried to scold Shuri about her killings and the image she would have as ruler. And Doom was pretty much bluffing on the threats in the end.

Not only that, but haters of the marriage, and folks who claim that Maberry hates the marriage, and that Maberry has T'challa not caring about the marriage are really OFF. Don't spoil it, but here we see T'challa giving up a huge sacrifice for his wife.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Naki on March 17, 2010, 01:43:57 pm
Not only that, but haters of the marriage, and folks who claim that Maberry hates the marriage, and that Maberry has T'challa not caring about the marriage are really OFF. Don't spoil it, but here we see T'challa giving up a huge sacrifice for his wife.

[/quote]

How do you figure? It was actually just the opposite. Doom said, "I'm giving you a simple choice: what is more important to you? Your wife or the vibranium? Reveal to me the key to the last lock in five seconds or I will kill the one you love most." Then he counted down to one and T'Challa said absolutely nothing. Meaning, he choose the vibranium over his wife, which is why Doom called it a victory. He not only stole all of the vibranium, but showed T'Challa up to his wife as a man who would put everything before her very life. And of course, the irony being for two issues Ororo had absolute faith her husband would come to her rescue and in the end he didn't. Yeah, that's a marriage breaker.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Vic Vega on March 17, 2010, 01:46:18 pm
But it's not a  bad protrayal of Nightcrawler. It just some folk do nitpick things to death. They nitpick without using there heads. This is a 6 issue series. So the nitpickers on the Nightcrawler issue, look pretty stupid after Doomwar #2.

Pretty much. After reading #2 everything that  people nitpicked about Nightcrawler and Doom has been put to rest here. NC even tried to scold Shuri about her killings and the image she would have as ruler. And Doom was pretty much bluffing on the threats in the end.

Not only that, but haters of the marriage, and folks who claim that Maberry hates the marriage, and that Maberry has T'challa not caring about the marriage are really OFF. Don't spoil it, but here we see T'challa giving up a huge sacrifice for his wife.


In all fairness, I don't think the criticisms were so much that Mayberry literally hated the marriage as they didn’t like the way it was depicted.

As in from the last run issues 18 up until the Civil War T’Challa and Ororo are depicted as a very close, very affectionate couple.

The book’s been so action oriented of late that the T’Challa/Ororo relationship has taken a back seat. Now I personally am cool with that as long as we get something cool in exchange. Now that Team Panther is finally fighting A-listers like Doom I can deal with T’Choro taking a back seat for a bit.    

@ Naki: Had Doom killed Storm he mystically would not have been able to open the vault.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Naki on March 17, 2010, 02:09:18 pm
  

@ Naki: Had Doom killed Storm he mystically would not have been able to open the vault.
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I don't know how he got into the vault and if he used Storm to do so, he would no longer need her. He clearly had removed all the vibranium before T'Challa arrived; hence, the word CHECKMATE written on the inside of the vault. And clearly if he did use Storm, the act didn't kill her. In the end, what appears to be the case is that T'Challa believed the vibranium was still in the vault which is the reason he ran straight to it after Doom tossed his wife his way. Thus, one can easily conclude that T'Challa thought the vibranium was still safe in the vault. Meaning, he choose it over his wife. The pained expression on Ororo's face says is all on the next to last page. Doom, basically took everything from T'Challa and in the end, knew him better than Ororo did. The chess match may not be over, but T'Challa has already lost his queen. Okay, the last part may not be the case, but DAMN, where do you go from here on the trust and marriage front?
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 17, 2010, 02:09:50 pm
Not only that, but haters of the marriage, and folks who claim that Maberry hates the marriage, and that Maberry has T'challa not caring about the marriage are really OFF. Don't spoil it, but here we see T'challa giving up a huge sacrifice for his wife.


Quote
How do you figure? It was actually just the opposite. Doom said, "I'm giving you a simple choice: what is more important to you? Your wife or the vibranium? Reveal to me the key to the last lock in five seconds or I will kill the one you love most." Then he counted down to one and T'Challa said absolutely nothing. Meaning, he choose the vibranium over his wife, which is why Doom called it a victory. He not only stole all of the vibranium, but showed T'Challa up to his wife as a man who would put everything before her very life. And of course, the irony being for two issues Ororo had absolute faith her husband would come to her rescue and in the end he didn't. Yeah, that's a marriage breaker.

You didn't understand the ending then. I will just say that. Read the riddle.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Naki on March 17, 2010, 02:13:24 pm
Not only that, but haters of the marriage, and folks who claim that Maberry hates the marriage, and that Maberry has T'challa not caring about the marriage are really OFF. Don't spoil it, but here we see T'challa giving up a huge sacrifice for his wife.


How do you figure? It was actually just the opposite. Doom said, "I'm giving you a simple choice: what is more important to you? Your wife or the vibranium? Reveal to me the key to the last lock in five seconds or I will kill the one you love most." Then he counted down to one and T'Challa said absolutely nothing. Meaning, he choose the vibranium over his wife, which is why Doom called it a victory. He not only stole all of the vibranium, but showed T'Challa up to his wife as a man who would put everything before her very life. And of course, the irony being for two issues Ororo had absolute faith her husband would come to her rescue and in the end he didn't. Yeah, that's a marriage breaker.

You didn't understand the ending then. I will just say that. Read the riddle.
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Hey, if you have a different take, then just spit it out already. There 's no need for cryptic messages. Marvel won't smack your hand if you figured something out.
Title: Re: Doomwar # 2 Preview
Post by: Seven on March 17, 2010, 04:20:24 pm
So how did Doom open the last lock? I just don't want to spoil, anything. But it looks like they are playing chess. Also, T'challa didn't choose either way.