Is this for real? LOL. What about dumbest plan ever.
Hey everybody I'm going to infiltrate the tea party to destroy it from inside and my first step is to tell everyone what I'm about to do. ::)
So EmperorJones, do you believe that these tactics of infiltration are justified under the circumstances?
So EmperorJones, do you believe that these tactics of infiltration are justified under the circumstances?
Michael,
Personally I could care less. I don't think this is a wide-spread issue or that it will warp the Tea Party's message. IMO, the Tea Party is being fueled already by a warped message and/or misdirected anger. I'm speculating that a significant number of Tea Party supporters were also "Birthers" who questioned President Obama's citizenship and there was a recent poll about some 20% of conservative leaning people who believed Obama was the Anti-Christ. And it is a good number of Tea Party supporters who declare Obama is a socialist, Hitler, a tyrant, a cult leader, etc., instead of debating the issues rationally and respectfully. Instead, some put on their Paul Revere hats and Betsy Ross dresses and declare they are 'patriots', which implies to me that anyone who doesn't agree with them, is not. And of course FOX News last year with their terrorist fist bump, their Obama-Osama 'mix up', calling Michelle Obama a 'baby mama', and harping on William Ayres, all have helped seed this kind of anger that can make wacky ideas sound plausible. And the more you try to debate or combat that wackiness, some people get defensive and burrow in like ticks.
Furthermore I think 'media bias' is a two-way street, but conservatives are the only ones, and skillfully let me add, that are turning this issue into something to rally their supporters. MSNBC trends left, big surprise. But they don't lie about it, unlike FOX which doesn't know the first thing about being 'fair and balanced'. CNN tries to be in the middle, IMO, or I can concede maybe left-of-center. But the idea that the conservatives are these little lambs being torn from pillar to post by a rabid liberal media is absurd. Conservative media is ascendant, and has been for at least the last 20 years. Liberal Air America has bitten the dust but unfortunately right wing radio is still blossoming. Conservative pundits/analysts have opinion columns in every newspaper in the country, if not having sway on the editorial boards or the owners of the paper, and there are straight up conservative newspapers, not to mention FOX News. Even 'ultra-liberal' MSNBC has Joe Scarborough on in the morning, with a weak 'liberal' co-host. And Pat Buchanan gets to pretty much say what he wants, with little push back, on that network.
Once again, liberals are so afraid to call themselves that they've taken to calling themselves progressives. That's how much the right has won the message war since the 70s-80s. And with Glenn Beck now going whole hog against progressivism, the liberals will probably search for a new name sometime soon.
I agree with Francisco's comment that not only is this "plan" dumb, I don't see how it is executable. How do you make fun of the Tea Party? How do you make them appear more outrageous or more absurd than they are?
As for this "infiltration" thing, it's so minor and bush league I can't muster up enough energy to care about it. If someone was flying a plane into the RNC that would be one thing, or if armed men were standing around threatening to kill Michael Steele, or people were spitting on Republican members of Congress, I guess I would care more.
I don't get your point, Mike. Exactly what were these protesters doing or saying to make the Tea Party people look stupid?
Michael,
I don't agree with the idea of infiltration though I do support having strong counter protests and demonstrations. ...
Michael, you keep asking about this "infiltrator" story, but you still haven't said what they did.
I get what you're saying Michael. From now one every time a tea partier does something wrong we would chalk it down as a left winger infiltrator. ::)
I get what you're saying Michael. From now one every time a tea partier does something wrong we would chalk it down as a left winger infiltrator. ::)
Did you even read what I wrote to Reginald in the post immediately prior to yours? Why is the question I am asking so hard to answer?
Emperorjones, I moved my response to your post to the "Black Tea Partier" thread, which is where I think that discussion really belongs.
Focusing on the topic of this thread: It is bizarre that people on this Forum, with the exception of you, have been unwilling to answer my simple question regarding what they think of those who would conspire to infiltrate the Tea Party Movement in order to create racist or embarrassing incidents for the Media.
So I take it, Moor, that you find highly objectionable the tactics advocated, and conspired, to impersonate Tea Party activists to behave in racist, stupid or offensive ways, for purposes of created fabricated incidents for Media coverage. Yes?
I don't see a parallel to the ACORN situation, other than they happen to have the common aspect of impersonation. But critical is that the actors who posed the hypothetical question to ACORN workers did so to see how the ACORN workers would really respond, and their efforts proved to be revealing. They did NOT pretend to be ACORN workers, and then as ACORN worker impersonators, advocate the support of illegal conduct to the Media. The real ACORN workers did this very effectively, on their own. I'm sorry, but yes, I do see this as apples and oranges.