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Title: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: 4sake on April 27, 2010, 04:16:12 pm
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/127116753318506.htm

Is that T'Chaka & S'yan fighting on the last page?... :D
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Vic Vega on April 27, 2010, 06:14:00 pm
[url]http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/127116753318506.htm[/url]

Is that T'Chaka & S'yan fighting on the last page?... :D


Sure looks like it. ;D
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: 4sake on April 29, 2010, 11:43:54 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5043&disp=table
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Greg on May 02, 2010, 08:28:08 pm
(http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/images/1004/panthercap211.jpg)

The Doras with the fros are looking fierce! I can't wait to pick this up!  :o
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Emperorjones on May 05, 2010, 04:53:01 pm
Picked this up today. Another very good issue.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: KIP LEWIS on May 05, 2010, 05:24:06 pm
Must have sold out before I even got to the store.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Greg on May 05, 2010, 08:32:00 pm
I picked up the last copy at my shop and just finished reading my pile for this week. This was a great read! My favorite of this week, and that includes the Hellboy Mexico one-shot!  :o

I was totally into this from beginning to the end. I loved seeing the friendship between Azari and Steve grow while everyone else is getting suspicious of Azari's acceptance of Steve. Gabe isn't a big character in this and his narrations are pretty slim, but his part in this is very interesting as he's conflicted as a proud U.S. soldier and as a proud black man who is starting to look up to the Black Panther and Wakanda as a black man's paradise.

I'm really enjoying the Nazi side of this also. I really don't like that this is only 4 issues. I find this to be a really well written issue and the battle at the gates of Wakanda was exciting as hell with the good Captain fighting side-by-side with Panther and some lovely afro-rocking Doras. Azari with those blades, whooo!

Reggie, you got my attention!
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Jay on May 05, 2010, 08:40:11 pm


Reggie, you got my attention!

Ditto.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 05, 2010, 08:51:06 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Greg on May 05, 2010, 09:11:16 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.

I think after seeing that battle scene, I can totally see that.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Vic Vega on May 06, 2010, 06:44:19 am
Stuff I liked: Nice to see that even in Wakanda brothers will still be brothers. If Síyan was the smart one that might explain a lot. Just sayiní.

It doesnít seem that the Wakandans think all that much of the Howlers do they? ;D

Master Man and Warrior Woman are pretty tough customers and will give our heroes a rough time(the good guys are frankly outpowered now) Now Tiger-Man? Thatís just messed up. But I bet the rest of the captives talked after they saw THAT.  :o

Some historical context: If this is set in í41 America had been just fine with the Nazis and Fascist Italy before Pearl Harbor. A. Philip Randolph had been dissuaded from marching on Washington. There was also a huge Labor movement. The war brought all these disparate elements against a common enemy. This is why Black Panther/Azzri keeps taking about Capís personal values. Steve would have inevitably had to take sides in a post war America. Cap in a sense was lucky he slept thru it all.

The continuity fascists are going to tear their hair out trying to figure out where this story fits exactly in Capís history. The fact that it doesnít really matter all that much will be utterly lost on them and will only enrage them if it is brought up. So I intend to do so elsewhere first chance I get.  ;D

I am really enjoying this stuff.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Seven on May 06, 2010, 11:49:37 am
I put a review on CBR. I thought this was awesome. The best book I read this week easy...and easily on par with UXM crossover issue that came out this week.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: 4sake on May 06, 2010, 12:46:26 pm
I really enjoyed this issue, I like there battle/action scenes.. Azzari the Wise mentoring & talks with Steve R. were great also..
Young S'Yan & T'Chaka scenes were my favorite.. I love to read a mini on young teen/young adult  S'yan, T'Chaka, Zuri, N'Yami & etc lives... The only thing didn't like was that we didn't get to see the fight of Azzari & Steve R. finish..

Also am I one who thought this was a ''younger'' N'Gassi? Also does anyone know T'Chaka & S'Yan mother name?

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/ngassimaybe.jpg)
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Hypestyle on May 06, 2010, 12:58:34 pm
great issue, really good stuff...

...I liked the nod to knowing Steve's identity via spies, touched on in the previous Panther annual..

...I wonder is Gabriel going to even get the chance to be a spy for Fury?  and if he does, would Azzari be hip to it?  Hmm..

I wonder will Gabriel get a trophy/gift by the time he and the crew leaves Wakanda?

...What are the strength levels of Master Man & Warrior Woman?  do they cast energy bolts?  Do they both fly?
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Jay on May 06, 2010, 02:14:06 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.


Yes, you're welcome ... now what about asking Marvel to get you to do a Patriot comic?

Come on Reggie, give the brother a chance at a decent comic.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Patriotya.png)
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: dc on May 06, 2010, 09:46:43 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.

It's great to see that people dig the book
And I hate to correct you but
The script inspired the art....
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 06, 2010, 09:50:33 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.

It's great to see that people dig the book
And I hate to correct you but
The script inspired the art....

Ladies and gentlemen, DENYS COWAN is in the house!
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: dc on May 06, 2010, 09:54:25 pm
great issue, really good stuff...

...I liked the nod to knowing Steve's identity via spies, touched on in the previous Panther annual..

...I wonder is Gabriel going to even get the chance to be a spy for Fury?  and if he does, would Azzari be hip to it?  Hmm..

I wonder will Gabriel get a trophy/gift by the time he and the crew leaves Wakanda?

...What are the strength levels of Master Man & Warrior Woman?  do they cast energy bolts?  Do they both fly?

They both fly they both shoot energy bolts
Although I see master man leaping great distances like the early superman comics and animation

They both cast energy bolts
They both fly..although I imagine Master Man leaps great distances like the early superman comics and early animation
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Battle on May 07, 2010, 07:20:24 am
Mr. Cowan! :D


I finally was able to pick up Black Panther/Captain America: Flags of our Father #1 and let me just say:

I really, really like your drawings in every panel and Klaus Janson inking your work makes the figures feel sinewy and scratchy in a good way!

Your stuff looks very different from back-in-th'-day; has a very mature, relaxed, confident feel.  I can't wait to see how your work improves in the next few issues.


Bravo!
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Jay on May 07, 2010, 07:25:26 am
Mr. Cowan! :D



Your stuff looks very different from back-in-th'-day; has a very mature, relaxed, confident feel.  I can't wait to see how your work improves in the next few issues.


Bravo!

Where's room to improve? I'm telling people they need to pick this book up.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Vic Vega on May 07, 2010, 07:35:36 am
great issue, really good stuff...

...I liked the nod to knowing Steve's identity via spies, touched on in the previous Panther annual..

...I wonder is Gabriel going to even get the chance to be a spy for Fury?  and if he does, would Azzari be hip to it?  Hmm..

I wonder will Gabriel get a trophy/gift by the time he and the crew leaves Wakanda?

...What are the strength levels of Master Man & Warrior Woman?  do they cast energy bolts?  Do they both fly?

They are like golden age Superman: Bulletproof, strong enough to toss around cars and they can jump long disances.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Seven on May 07, 2010, 02:26:23 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.

It's great to see that people dig the book
And I hate to correct you but
The script inspired the art....

The art is insaine...you guys make a great team.

People are suprised at the book...you guys are killling it.

Welcome.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: dc on May 07, 2010, 03:00:15 pm
Mr. Cowan! :D


I finally was able to pick up Black Panther/Captain America: Flags of our Father #1 and let me just say:

I really, really like your drawings in every panel and Klaus Janson inking your work makes the figures feel sinewy and scratchy in a good way!

Your stuff looks very different from back-in-th'-day; has a very mature, relaxed, confident feel.  I can't wait to see how your work improves in the next few issues.

Thanks!
Klaus gets major props for the great inks he did
It's easy to look good when you have someone as great as klaus fixing everything up..



Bravo!
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: isaiah_bradley on May 07, 2010, 04:24:54 pm
Thanks guys.  It's great to be writing the character again after a break, and working with Denys really fired me up.  His art inspires my writing.

claps!!!!! great issue.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Greg on May 07, 2010, 11:54:46 pm
http://blogcritics.org/books/article/comic-book-review-captain-americablack-panther/

My review of Flags of Our Fathers #1 finished with a claim that it had me ďlooking forward to the next issue.Ē Well, that next issue has arrived, and Iím happy to say it doesnít disappoint.

The issue begins soon after the first. Captain America and Nick Furyís Howling Commandos have managed to prove their worth to the Black Panther and gain entry into Wakanda. Meanwhile, the Red Skull has now been sent to aid the Nazi operation against the small African nation. The Red Skull is instantly portrayed as a far superior foe than Baron Von Strucker. Strucker seems to underestimate the Wakandans and seems to favor the Nazi Blitzkrieg tactic of rushing in as many troops, supported by tanks, as possible. The Red Skull, as youíd expect, is a far craftier and resourceful villain, and his tactics set up what is sure to be an interesting, crazy and somewhat awesome finale.

The issue also continues the discussions of race and what the world will be and should be like after World War II. Itís kind of disappointing to see Captain America as this amazing beacon for civil rights and equality among all when you know that heís not going to be around once World War II is finished to promote them. His conversations with the Black Panther possibly make you like him even more as he says a lot of things about World War II that I at least thought. In one panel he says, ďYou canít go to war with some jerks who call themselves the Master Race and turn around and do the same thing back home."

Similarly, the Black Panther has some great dialogue as well, and the best moments are easily the conversations between these two figureheads, with the Panther acting almost as a mentor to the younger Steve Rodgers. You donít find out too much more about Wakanda itself, with a lot of mystery still surrounding the tiny nation, but they do explore the Black Panther which was pleasing. The story also has some humor, like the Howlers' entry to the '"battle." The Skull's dismissive treatment of Strucker is quite entertaining while the happy, un-segregated Howlers show a few cracks that are more in line with the times. Fury asks Gabe to make friends with the Wakandans so they can see where they really lie with the mysterious Africans, and itís hard not to read it, as Gabe does, that Fury asking him because he is black. Itís good to see that Hudlin hasnít given the story the complete benefit of hindsight.

The artwork continues its high quality as the Skull looks brilliant. The use of the black shading lines on the Skullís face gives him a lot of detail. One thing though:  the Skullís face seems to change and lose definition throughout the comic. There are three frames where the Skullís head is shown in a similar fashion, a medium shot from the shoulders up. The first time he looks brilliant with a great deal of detail, but the two following shots show his face lacking definition. His nose looks like itís been ripped off; his eyes are obscured and blank; and he just looks so different. I donít know why his look couldnít remain consistent throughout.

Apart from that there are some great scenes surrounding the battle between the Nazis and the team of Black Panther and Captain America. These are half page images that show off the power, presence and difference that Black Panther and Captain America can make on the battlefield, which is what youíd expect from two of Marvelís most powerful and commanding characters.

The issue also sets up a side story involving the Pantherís children, which at the moment seems like a tacked on plot point, and I really have no interest in seeing where it will end up. I have a feeling I know where it will go, and I donít like it. The issue also sets up the final climactic battle, which I hope will play out over the two remaining issues and not just the one. It should be a really interesting battle, including some of Capís classic World War II villains. I hope it isnít rushed through.

Overall, the second issue manages to hold your interest in the story through some interesting and well thought out dialogue and some great action pieces. While the lack of consistency in the Skullís design was frustrating, the rest of the artwork is of a high quality. I said it before and Iíll say it again, Iím quite looking forward to reading the next series and seeing how it builds on the finale of this issue.



Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Greg on May 08, 2010, 01:55:50 pm
CBR's Buy Pile

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26120

The biggest surprise in "Captain America/Black Panther: Flags of Our Father's" #2 was that T'chaka is the kid here while Gabe Jones and a much younger Nick Fury try to figure their way through as the Nazis gather on the doorstep. Given that (until 2010) Wakanda's claim of never being conquered remained true, this prequel lacks some bite, but this issue does showcase some of the real impressiveness of the warrior nation with less of the forced perspective of an outsider. Captain America's idealism in particular makes a nice ideological counterpoint to the Black Panther's weary skepticism. Still a little rough, though, but getting there.
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Open palm on May 12, 2010, 12:46:13 am
This story plays out more like a 30 minute TV episode. You find yourself wanting more until they hit the filler episode.
I like how the Wakandans kept the Howling Commandos 'safe' while they and Cap wiped out the Nazis. I wonder why S'yan didn't ascend to Black Panther first? He seemed more disciplined than T'Challa's father.

4/5
Title: Re: Captain America/Black Panther: Flag of Our Fathers #2
Post by: Battle on June 04, 2010, 08:31:42 am
Picked up Captain America/Black Panther: Flags Of Our Fathers #2 earlier this week and let me just say...


This has got to be Denys Cowan's best work of his career.  ...and Mr. Janson and Mr. Hudlin is making his stuff look so sharp and mature.



Lots of spear chuckin', yo!(http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif)

but on the downside,   Wakandans bound  in spiked chains gettin' choked by nazi b!tches. :-[