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Title: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 02, 2010, 02:12:53 pm
Marvel is starting a familar teaser--who will be the new Man without Fear?  BP (I'm assuming T'challa) is going to be one of the canditates.  And hasn't Bevoort said something about BP (T'challa) taking a new more central location in the MU.  Could this be T'challa's future as the new Daredevil?

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/new-man-withour-fear-100802.html
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Seven on August 02, 2010, 03:45:10 pm
Marvel is starting a familar teaser--who will be the new Man without Fear?  BP (I'm assuming T'challa) is going to be one of the canditates.  And hasn't Bevoort said something about BP (T'challa) taking a new more central location in the MU.  Could this be T'challa's future as the new Daredevil?

[url]http://www.newsarama.com/comics/new-man-withour-fear-100802.html[/url]

Yeah...someone also said it was out of those 5, so it's looking like it. :-X :-[ :'(
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 02, 2010, 07:33:10 pm
Marvel is starting a familar teaser--who will be the new Man without Fear?  BP (I'm assuming T'challa) is going to be one of the canditates.  And hasn't Bevoort said something about BP (T'challa) taking a new more central location in the MU.  Could this be T'challa's future as the new Daredevil?

[url]http://www.newsarama.com/comics/new-man-withour-fear-100802.html[/url]


Interesting...
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 16, 2010, 09:53:14 pm
"...Even beyond that  (Klaws), there's another large Panther piece on the horizon that you're probably going to have to wait another month or two before I can tell you about. But we've got enormous plans for the Panther that place him in a central way shoulder-to-shoulder with the big Marvel heavy characters."

Okay so this was Brevoort's comments in the Klaws of the Panther release that is posted on this site. The upcoming Lente Avengers series is 'Dead Avengers' http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27841 so obviously no T'Challa. I've gone for 50-50 to 70-30 T is going to be in DD. If so I think it could be spectacular. T and O move to the NY Embassy. T buys a brownstone/sets up an HQ in Hell's Kitchen...
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Catch22 on August 17, 2010, 08:12:53 am
The comics may prove me wrong in the future, but I don't see it.  It'll probably happen, BP to DD, but how does this bring him closer to the "prime time" of the Marvel U?  DD's been in his own little corner of the U, away from the rest of main Marvel Universe pretty much his entire character history.  So with T'Challa taking the DD mantle, does Daredevil now become a national or global force?  I'll check it out, but I'm not sure how this places him in the big leagues.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Seven on August 17, 2010, 11:04:37 am
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How about Both? He joins SECRET AVENGERS to help defend Wakanda's interest covertly and also (one again spy on the heroes :D) and then moves to the Wakandan consulate in New York city, to run his multi-billion dollar technology company that provides the AVENGERS Quinjets and other materials, which would also be a way to support Wakanda, pit him against Roxxon corp etc…[this would be too good to be true].

But him just becoming the “Man without Fear” doesn’t make sense.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 17, 2010, 11:57:59 am
Of course I don't have any real idea either but my thinking is this: it is obvious Marvel has plans for him. Brevoort, Mayberry have unequivocally stated it. There is no BP book so where? Not the new Avengers by Lente. Secret Avengers would be a good fit I agree. In the FF title? Possible. In an X title? I think he should have already been a semi-regular in one. But all those you could slip him into tomorrow. I don't see a reason they would be something you couldn't talk about already. Daredevil is different. You guys are more steeped in Marvel knowledge than I am but from my perspective it's kind of perfect. I don't think he would operate like Murdock. I think they would definitely incorporate Reed Richards for one, Stark, Steve Rogers, Cage, Logan...
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Seven on August 17, 2010, 12:04:29 pm
Of course I don't have any real idea either but my thinking is this: it is obvious Marvel has plans for him. Brevoort, Mayberry have unequivocally stated it. There is no BP book so where? Not the new Avengers by Lente. Secret Avengers would be a good fit I agree. In the FF title? Possible. In an X title? I think he should have already been a semi-regular in one. But all those you could slip him into tomorrow. I don't see a reason they would be something you couldn't talk about already. Daredevil is different. You guys are more steeped in Marvel knowledge than I am but from my perspective it's kind of perfect. I don't think he would operate like Murdock. I think they would definitely incorporate Reed Richards for one, Stark, Steve Rogers, Cage, Logan...

but why would he go to Hell's Kitchen while Wakanda is being attacked? It really has to make sense and the back lash from DD fans. I don't know. You make some vaild points.

he could end up in the FF or something. Maybe SA...I don't know and Marvel is acting like this is some huge deal. But they also told us that this was a "big year"... and it only has been a big year of Disappointments
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Catch22 on August 17, 2010, 09:51:59 pm
IMO, it just doesn't make sense to make him Daredevil.  If you take Daredevil out of Hell's Kitchen and make him a global threat responder, then he's not Daredevil anymore.  They're basically taking two Batman archetypes and merging them together, DD's Batman cold, brooding side and T'Challa's the prep-time, always prepared (unless he's being choked out by Doom) side.   Then what happens when Murdock most certainly comes back?  Personally, I think they'd do better to come up with another identity for T'Challa or give him back the Panther habit. 
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 18, 2010, 10:03:02 am
You guys look at it from a lot a different position than I do, to me it's a comic book, he's a great character and you can do anything you want. The sense is they have something they're planning for Murdock and here is another neat toy (character) to play with who isn't being used at all and fits. It's probably not happening BUT if it did it would not be permanent and it would be a good plot jolt.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Catch22 on August 18, 2010, 11:20:49 am
You guys look at it from a lot a different position than I do, to me it's a comic book, he's a great character and you can do anything you want. The sense is they have something they're planning for Murdock and here is another neat toy (character) to play with who isn't being used at all and fits. It's probably not happening BUT if it did it would not be permanent and it would be a good plot jolt.

What you said is ultimately the truth.  It's a comic...he's a character and whatever they want to do with him, they can do with him at their discretion.  Sure, it would be a plot jolt, but funny thing is, I don't think the Daredevil book needs a plot jolt, its been going along well on it's own.  Add that to the fact that the "take up the mantle" thing has been done to death, especially recently, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 18, 2010, 12:51:50 pm
Yeah, it has been done to death so that's why they do it: it's a safe move with an instant buzz.

But (while I don't think T is it) the other question to ask, Who'd be in the role (other than Matt)?  We should probably be happy it isn't Logan or deadpool.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Vic Vega on August 18, 2010, 01:11:10 pm
I'm still gonna guess Kraven.

He'll go too far and force Matt to come out of retirement/rehab/whatever.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 18, 2010, 03:45:54 pm
...so if not in 'The Man without Fear' what do you guys speculate this T'Challa project might be?
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Seven on August 18, 2010, 03:50:24 pm
It's starting to look like the Man without Fear for T'challa. Daredevil is ending at the end of Shadowland. Maybe Vic is right about Kraven, but somehow I don't see Kraven being able to go too far...as Matt has already done that.

Besides...it's either he is the new memeber of SA, or this. SA isn't a project. So I'm actually thinking that he might be the new Man without fear.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 18, 2010, 06:27:56 pm
It's starting to look like the Man without Fear for T'challa. Daredevil is ending at the end of Shadowland. Maybe Vic is right about Kraven, but somehow I don't see Kraven being able to go too far...as Matt has already done that.

Besides...it's either he is the new memeber of SA, or this. SA isn't a project. So I'm actually thinking that he might be the new Man without fear.

That's the way I'm seeing it. Man Without Fear--or some new project like an Illuminati title...
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Gooch on August 19, 2010, 07:28:37 am
Well I think T'challa has been daredevil before.......
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: jwoo on August 22, 2010, 01:31:41 am
T'Challa will be taking over after Daredevil, not taking up the mantle of Daredevil but as BP the new protection in and around Hell's Kitchen. How do I know this; because Marvel gave the biggest hint when they informed BP subscription holders that BP was cancelled and the subscription was being switched to Daredevil  ;D
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 22, 2010, 07:59:56 pm
Good point JWOO, but its been like a year since the last BP until the new "DD" shows up.  Anyone's subcription would have ran out, but still a possible clue.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on August 28, 2010, 06:42:36 pm
I can't wait to hear what happens one way or the other, anybody with T news pleased be sure to share :D
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Pantherfan on August 29, 2010, 09:23:50 am
T'Challa subbed for Murdoch before so it is possible. Plus him and Matt are friends, even though we haven't seen them hangout in years.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Emperorjones on September 02, 2010, 02:04:52 am
^
I didn't know that T'Challa had been Daredevil until people on this board informed me. Could someone tell me when exactly he was DD and for how long? Also, do you know if those adventures are in a trade?
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Gooch on September 14, 2010, 04:31:37 pm
confirmed on g4 today
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 14, 2010, 04:57:35 pm
And more here

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/black-panther-daredevil-100914.html

"G4's Blair Butler reported the creative team as novelist David Liss and aritst Francesco Francavilla"

Anyone familar with the novalist's work?
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Emperorjones on September 14, 2010, 05:37:28 pm
I guess many of you guys/gals were right about this. I think its a bad decision, though granted it possibly will get T'Challa more visibility. You don't wreck Wakanda and then ship him off to defend Hell's Kitchen. Doesn't NYC have enough protectors? I'm curious to see how they are going to explain that. Are they going to leave Wakanda in a lurch or resolve its crises before T'Challa moves to NY I wonder? Somehow I doubt it.

Geez, if you have to place him in America, why not a city that doesn't get a lot of focus like Detroit, Baltimore, or New Orleans? Who says the Man Without Fear has to stay in Hell's Kitchen?

I will be checking out the first issue regardless to see what this new spin will be like. With the title, I wonder if he will be reclaiming his mantle, or will T'Challa and Shuri both share the title? Perhaps like Bruce and Dick are about to do in the Batman books.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 14, 2010, 06:25:19 pm
Hmm I wonder if they will remove/downplay the powers JM gave him; and how does Storm fit in this?
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on September 14, 2010, 06:26:37 pm
I thought I told y'all damnit  :o I am soooo pleased ;D
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: BlackRodimus on September 14, 2010, 07:05:18 pm
I guess many of you guys/gals were right about this. I think its a bad decision, though granted it possibly will get T'Challa more visibility. You don't wreck Wakanda and then ship him off to defend Hell's Kitchen. Doesn't NYC have enough protectors? I'm curious to see how they are going to explain that. Are they going to leave Wakanda in a lurch or resolve its crises before T'Challa moves to NY I wonder? Somehow I doubt it.

Geez, if you have to place him in America, why not a city that doesn't get a lot of focus like Detroit, Baltimore, or New Orleans? Who says the Man Without Fear has to stay in Hell's Kitchen?

I will be checking out the first issue regardless to see what this new spin will be like. With the title, I wonder if he will be reclaiming his mantle, or will T'Challa and Shuri both share the title? Perhaps like Bruce and Dick are about to do in the Batman books.

Co-sign your thoughts about Hell's Kitchen and NY. If I was a villain, I'd do my dirt in every other town BUT NY. I get the feeling the heroes would just shrug and say, "Eh, I protect NY, so..."
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 14, 2010, 07:12:58 pm
The NYC thing; it's like Clark Kent's glasses.  It really doesn't work, but we accept that it does.  Or Batman's cape.  No way someone like Bats would wear a cape and move like him, but we accept he does.  Or like Hulk's pants.  No reason the pants stay on, but we accept they do.

So there is no reason everyone operates in NYC except that in the MU, they do.

(Though there was a Quasar story that said a cosmic "abstracts" "kept" super-hero activity locked in NYC for some reason.)
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: sinjection1 on September 14, 2010, 07:42:37 pm
In the immortal words of Florida Evans; "Damn! Damn! Daaaaaamn!"

In the immortal words of Shaka Zulu; "The swallows have won, Dingane."

T'Challa, fresh off of a butt-kicking by Doom, is positioned to get that butt kicked by Kingpin and the rest of DD's rogue's gallery. Meanwhile, his marriage to Ororo is as good as over. The x-fans will have their bisexual Ororo back. The LCB-RD will celebrate a Marvel U devoid of any significant relationship or development in the characterization where its two premier black characters are concerned. The Marvel Comics "Tea Party" emerges triumphant.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Vic Vega on September 14, 2010, 08:37:12 pm
The NYC thing; it's like Clark Kent's glasses.  It really doesn't work, but we accept that it does.  Or Batman's cape.  No way someone like Bats would wear a cape and move like him, but we accept he does.  Or like Hulk's pants.  No reason the pants stay on, but we accept they do.

So there is no reason everyone operates in NYC except that in the MU, they do.

(Though there was a Quasar story that said a cosmic "abstracts" "kept" super-hero activity locked in NYC for some reason.)

Its just easier for the writers now to keep everthing in one place. It makes crossovers easier to negotiate that way. 

However during the time there was a West Coast Avengers book  L.A. was nearly as big a deal as New York was.

Iron Man was headquartered there (you have to figure he'd want to be near siicon valley)as well as the rest of the Wackos.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Salustrade on September 15, 2010, 12:16:24 am
In the immortal words of Florida Evans; "Damn! Damn! Daaaaaamn!"

In the immortal words of Shaka Zulu; "The swallows have won, Dingane."

T'Challa, fresh off of a butt-kicking by Doom, is positioned to get that butt kicked by Kingpin and the rest of DD's rogue's gallery. Meanwhile, his marriage to Ororo is as good as over. The x-fans will have their bisexual Ororo back. The LCB-RD will celebrate a Marvel U devoid of any significant relationship or development in the characterization where its two premier black characters are concerned. The Marvel Comics "Tea Party" emerges triumphant.

Not necessarily.

The "success" of this experiment in rendering T'Challa further irrelevant in the MU is dependent on sales.

I'm not spending my hard earned money on this or that Klaws of The Panther aberration that Maberry's about to unleash but I'm sure there'll bge some who'll be only too quick to purchase this garbage.

Marvel/DC will never learn to take the buying power of their non-caucasian patrons seriously until we ourselves recognize the importance of voting with our pockets.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 15, 2010, 05:23:33 am
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Hypestyle on September 15, 2010, 06:39:58 am
already there is intense vitriol at CBR over this, http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/comment-page-2/#comment-41665

I just have to wonder why some heads call themselves ultra-offended that T'Challa gets to be the hero of Hell's Kitchen..  I wonder if it's.. nahh...   ::)

and for all the folks who "loved the Panther" but "hated" Mr. Reggie's run, they'd better put their money where their mouth is..

..I'd like to see a Panther/Cage team-up mini-series written by Mr. Reggie..
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Vic Vega on September 15, 2010, 06:41:37 am
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 

Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).

He could do the tracking, dectective work and stuff while she can fry the ninja hordes that get sent to kill them.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Vic Vega on September 15, 2010, 06:51:34 am
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 


Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).

He could do the tracking, dectective work and stuff while she can fry the ninja hordes that get sent to kill them.

already there is intense vitriol at CBR over this, [url]http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/comment-page-2/#comment-41665[/url]

I just have to wonder why some heads call themselves ultra-offended that T'Challa gets to be the hero of Hell's Kitchen..  I wonder if it's.. nahh...   ::)

and for all the folks who "loved the Panther" but "hated" Mr. Reggie's run, they'd better put their money where their mouth is..

..I'd like to see a Panther/Cage team-up mini-series written by Mr. Reggie..




There is nothing more predictable than comic fans.

When was the last time ANY new idea was EVER welcomed?

I remember listening to the BTS audio for the Justice League Unlimited cartoon and somebody mentioned that the fans hated the season 3 theme music (having never seen season 1 or 2 at that time I didn't care) and I think Dini said in reply "Fans Hate Change".

That sums up everything in a nutshell.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 15, 2010, 07:17:35 am
<<Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).>>

It has been so long since I've read any of those issues, but I can't say I'd call them street level, but then again, GL is written down often and the Yellow weakness is a big (though stupid if you think about it) weakness. But it has been so long since I read them, I can't say for sure.

Oh, yeah, I think I have had the GL vs Storm debate before. 
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 15, 2010, 07:22:32 am
<<Vic Vega:  I think Dini said in reply "Fans Hate Change".That sums up everything in a nutshell. >>
.
Oh--Fans hate change; except when they like it.  I know that sounds, "well duh", but I mean, when fans do like the change, it's good writing, brillant courageous writer.  When fans don't like the change, then the writer is a hack and the fans who support the hack are mindless.

But sometimes fans on either side, are right.  Sometimes they both are.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Catch22 on September 15, 2010, 07:46:53 am
already there is intense vitriol at CBR over this, [url]http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/comment-page-2/#comment-41665[/url]

I just have to wonder why some heads call themselves ultra-offended that T'Challa gets to be the hero of Hell's Kitchen..  I wonder if it's.. nahh...   ::)

and for all the folks who "loved the Panther" but "hated" Mr. Reggie's run, they'd better put their money where their mouth is..

..I'd like to see a Panther/Cage team-up mini-series written by Mr. Reggie..




Now there was a collection of idiotic mouth-breathers taking center stage (present company excepted, Hype!).  The internet sure does make people brave, but we already knew this.  I usually don't comment over there, but I had to after reading the Obama comment.  That stuff is tired.  Most people don't like change, it's human nature to like what's comfortable, but it's also human nature to explore and push the boundaries and comics fans sometimes want to have it both ways.  They want everything familiar to be kept in it's little box, but complain when it gets boring and repetitive...then complain louder when a character-changing shake up occurs.  Go figure.  :-\
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: BmoreAkuma on September 15, 2010, 07:48:52 am
Anyway as for BP being "DD", I guess it was obvious from the start. First clue IMO was the BP subscription thing where we received DD. Second for some reason they were so adamant in not "revealing" anything. Also since BP was DD in the past and have a great relationship with him.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on September 15, 2010, 08:12:28 am
It's gonna be great ;D Great. Great. Great. It's just the start. This is what springs another T'Challa series.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: sinjection1 on September 15, 2010, 08:15:53 am
Not necessarily.

The "success" of this experiment in rendering T'Challa further irrelevant in the MU is dependent on sales.

I'm not spending my hard earned money on this or that Klaws of The Panther aberration that Maberry's about to unleash but I'm sure there'll bge some who'll be only too quick to purchase this garbage.

Marvel/DC will never learn to take the buying power of their non-caucasian patrons seriously until we ourselves recognize the importance of voting with our pockets.

Let's hope that the T'Challa, Man Without Fear experiment blows up in the faces of those who concocted it. Maybe the LCB-RD will actually be good for something for a change and decide to turn up their noses en masse at this...project.

I'm looking forward to Klaws Of The Panther as eagerly as a person bitten by a rabid weaselman looks forward to a rabies injection series. Reluctantly, I'm considering purchasing the series only to know exactly what I'm talking about when I deliver my scathing condemnation of it.

Too many non-caucasians and more than a few black patrons as well can always be counted on to split such a vote. I do not and have not for quite some time now, purchase comicbooks featuring white characters only. Luke Cage heads the Avengers and the T-Bolts. I know this only because of reading forums such as this one. I haven't purchased a Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, X-Men, Superman, Batman, etc... comic in well over a year. In the case of Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, X-Men, it's been nigh on a decade since I've purchased a copy, Spider-Man...well over a decade. AND I DON'T MISS THEM AT ALL.

I only purchase books featuring black characters with the occasional incidental white character thrown in. Still, I'm afraid I will be one of those non-caucasians who will split the vote when it comes to Klaws Of the Panther and I hate it. I think Maberry is taking vengeance for all those who complained that the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY was "forced" by forcing his "adjustments and enhancements" on T'Challa, Wakanda, and Shuri. In his interview, Maberry lauds Hudlin for writing a daring story which he used as the foundation for his disaster entitled doomwar. Maberry claims to be a big fan of T'Challa and the Wakandan mythos, but he has done nothing but destroy the character and that mythos since he started writing their stories.

Look at how Maberry disregards what was established before his "improvements and enhancements". From Dark Reign/Black Panther #2. Queen Ororo and the ruling body of Wakanda is setting itself to the task of finding "the next Black Panther". Syan says, "My Queen...? I had assumed that--" Storm cuts Syan short. She tells all gathered that T'Challa's condition makes her Queen of Wakanda, not the next Black Panther candidate by default, explaining that her place is by her husband's side (something the LCB-RD may not have to endure for much longer...damnit).

Storm continues, telling those gathered that to find the new Black Panther they need not leave the room. She said that although it is Bast's decision as to who will be the next Panther (Bast... ::)), that the next Black Panther should be Shuri. Storm describes Shuri as "Someone who has been training her whole life for this moment." Ramonda tries to slow Storm's roll, suggesting to her that perhaps she should take more time to consider all the factors. Storm is firm; "The candidate is named." Later, Storm would put it all out there for Ramonda who tries to persuade Ororo that Shruri is not ready. Storm presents a solid case for why Shuri IS ready and why she is the perfect candidate to be the next Black Panther. She ends her discussion with Ramonda with these words: "Do not cripple your daughter with your doubts."

Shuri was not there to hear Ororo sing her praises, but she has never been anything but respectful and kind to Shuri...firm with Shuri when she charged her with the daunting task of becoming Wakanda's new Black Panther. There is NOTHING at all Maberry can sop up with his beat-the-shiznit-out-of-Wakanda-biscuit to justify any feelings of resentment Shuri is supposed to have for Ororo.

Some of our friends have suggested that Shuri is a "blank slate". I respectfully disagree. Does the following read like Shuri is a "blank slate"? Ororo to Ramonda: "Shuri is Wakandan Royalty, born and bred. Shuri has been trained since birth to be the Panther. She is ready now. She is the child of T'Chaka, the former King of Wakanda and one of the greatest to ever don the habit of the Black Panther. She has enjoyed the same upbringing, education and training as T'Challa. Had he not claimed the mantle first, we would doubtlessly be addressing her as Black Panther today."

Shuri...a "blank slate"? Bullshiznit. Shuri may have seemed clumsy when she offed the Radioactive Man. She had been trained as the Black Panther. She wasn't the Panther then, but she dealt with the Radioactive Man in the manner a Wakandan warrior woman and as a Black Panther warrior queen would have done. Shuri is not a blank slate. Maberry is scrawling his damned graffitti over the clearly established slate of Shuri's character.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: sinjection1 on September 15, 2010, 10:32:08 am
 :D :D :D :D :D

Clint Barton was Daredevil at one time? Clint Barton?! Clint, the buffoon, Barton was Daredevil at one time?  :D

Daredevil shouldn't have been able to stand that idiot. Barton once pursued a romantic relationship with the Scarlet Witch only to see Wanda and the Vision begin a love affair. And given the choice between Barton and the Vision, it's not hard to see why the Scarlet Witch would choose a synthetic man over a male blonde bimbo clad in a blue mini-dress with matching headband accessory at that time. Barton. Once a loser, always a loser. He was Daredevil? You are pulling my leg!

So Barton - stung by Wanda's choice of the Vision over him - ditched his mini-dress with matching headband accessory, and returned to his "HAWKEYE, THE MARKSMAN!" costume as if doing so would somehow make him a person of significance. After ditching his dress, Barton ditched the Avengers, pausing briefly on a rooftop to muse the following: "I dunno man...What do I do now? I guess I really didn't love Wanda--but it's so freaking hard to lose again! I got kissed off by the Black Widow three times--first to the commies, then S.H.I.E.L.D., and now Daredevil...Witchie won't give me a tumble...I mean what's wrong with me? I've got looks, I'm fun to talk to...why can't I get it on?"

Why can't he "get it on"...because he's a loser and he knows it. "...kissed off by the Widow 3 times." Barton, sitting on a rooftop moping about losing a woman he didn't really love to a synthetic man. He needs to be slapped, and slapped two times. Having lost Wanda, Barton decides to go after DD's woman, the Black Widow. This is an excellent illustration how fan love for a truly STUPID CHARACTER and writers repeatedly including this stupid character, is able to keep the truly stupid character around. In an attempt to keep Barton relevant, his heroic identity has been changed what...3 times? Barton was Goliath II. Arkon, who was small enough to fit comfortably in the palm of Barton's hand at the time, put Barton in dire peril by applying perfect pressure to one of his pinky fingers causing Barton to muse..."He's MURDERIN' me!" Barton was Ronin. What a waste. I never saw him in action as that character and have no desire to do so. And now I learn from posters to "that other place" that Barton was once Daredevil? He was costumed and functioning as the man whose woman he tried to steal right from under his nose?

The Barton character actually has fans! WTF?!   :D :D
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: Princesa on September 15, 2010, 10:35:42 am
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 

Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).

He could do the tracking, dectective work and stuff while she can fry the ninja hordes that get sent to kill them.

That's how I'm seeing it. It's Batman and Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 15, 2010, 10:45:04 am
<<The Barton character actually has fans! WTF?!   :D :D>>

Yup and I'm one of them. I mean he's not in my top ten, and doesn't make my "ideal" Avengers team, but still a fan.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: sinjection1 on September 15, 2010, 10:59:59 am
<<The Barton character actually has fans! WTF?!   :D :D>>

Yup and I'm one of them.

 :)  Unfathomable.  :)

But as I recall, your favorite character is sunglasses-red safari jacket, black leggings-wearing Wonder Man. Ah well, my favorite character is Cloak. He'd be stark naked if not for that funky blue material he wears. It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world. (RIP Gary Coleman.)

We're both Black Panther fans. There's are saving grace.


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I mean he's not in my top ten, and doesn't make my "ideal" Avengers team, but still a fan.

One of these days when you have the time to write it and I have the time to read it, I'd be interested to know what is it about the Barton character...Clint Barton! :o, the wimpiest Goliath EVER in my always humble opinion...that appeals to you.
Title: Re: T'challa is DD????
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 15, 2010, 12:28:37 pm
<< sinjection1:Quote from: KIP LEWIS on Today at 10:45:04 AM<<The Barton character actually has fans! WTF?!   :D :D>>Yup and I'm one of them. :)  Unfathomable.  :) But as I recall, your favorite character is sunglasses-red safari jacket, black leggings-wearing Wonder Man. Ah well, my favorite character is Cloak. He'd be stark naked if not for that funky blue material he wears. It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world. (RIP Gary Coleman.)We're both Black Panther fans. There's are saving grace.QuoteI mean he's not in my top ten, and doesn't make my "ideal" Avengers team, but still a fan.One of these days when you have the time to write it and I have the time to read it, I'd be interested to know what is it about the Barton character...Clint Barton! :o, the wimpiest Goliath EVER in my always humble opinion...that appeals to you.>>

I am going to give you an answer to that in a Hawkeye thread in "Other Comics" section rather than side-track this thread.