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General Category => Hard Choices => Topic started by: Reginald Hudlin on August 03, 2010, 09:37:00 am

Title: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 03, 2010, 09:37:00 am
speak on it...
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Cage on August 03, 2010, 11:06:21 am
Hmmmm......................... 8)
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Post by: TripleX on August 03, 2010, 03:19:41 pm
Luke Cage...he's more contemporary and urban. (No offense.)
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Post by: Afro Samurai on August 03, 2010, 06:49:22 pm
Luke Cage: A disgrace to Harlem, a useless stereotype & he had a kid with a white woman.

Black Panther: A smart kind African king & is married to a beautiful & strong black woman.

Black Panther all the damn f*cking way.
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Princesa on August 03, 2010, 07:44:09 pm
...I love Luke ...I love T'Challa too...I'm enjoying Luke more at present
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Francisco on August 03, 2010, 07:53:54 pm
Luke Cage: A disgrace to Harlem, a useless stereotype & he had a kid with a white woman.

Black Panther: A smart kind African king & is married to a beautiful & strong black woman.

Black Panther all the damn f*cking way.
Rubish... As always.
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Francisco on August 04, 2010, 07:01:34 am
By the way.. Currently Luke Cage by a mile or so.
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Vic Vega on August 04, 2010, 09:35:19 am
Cage done well is a license to print money.

Cage done mediocre is a license to print money.

Black Panther is a better character but there are more fantasy elements that make the character a bit harder to connect with.

Cage is simple: Shaft with Superpowers.

Black Panther is Batman as Genius Warrior King of a Hidden Technologically Advanced African Nation.

Even if you dumb it down to Black Panther is Batman/The Phantom as an African King you lose much of the characters world.

Not saying its canít be done well-its just not dead simple as Cage is.  
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Catch22 on August 04, 2010, 10:04:53 am
Love the Panther, but Cage get my vote.I like the direction Luke has been going in over the last few years.  The character's been developed more than he'd been in decades.  Props to BMB.
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Post by: CKW on August 04, 2010, 03:50:31 pm
BP. Why? He is a 'superpowered' head of state using his nation's resources to fight evil in the world.
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Post by: Afro Samurai on August 04, 2010, 05:19:02 pm
Luke Cage: A disgrace to Harlem, a useless stereotype & he had a kid with a white woman.

Black Panther: A smart kind African king & is married to a beautiful & strong black woman.

Black Panther all the damn f*cking way.
Rubish... As always.

LOL@your retarded self bitching at my post, while ignoring the topic title. Why are you so obsess with me, boy?  Interracial relationship is a sin, u mad doggie u mad!!!
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Francisco on August 04, 2010, 06:29:37 pm
Luke Cage: A disgrace to Harlem, a useless stereotype & he had a kid with a white woman.

Black Panther: A smart kind African king & is married to a beautiful & strong black woman.

Black Panther all the damn f*cking way.
Rubish... As always.

LOL@your retarded self bitching at my post, while ignoring the topic title. Why are you so obsess with me, boy?  Interracial relationship is a sin, u mad doggie u mad!!!
I'm not mad at you.. I pity you.
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Lion on August 04, 2010, 06:39:34 pm
Panther's the guy I'd want to be.

Cage is the guy I'd want to watch my back.
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Kristopher on August 04, 2010, 06:43:45 pm
Luke Cage: A disgrace to Harlem, a useless stereotype & he had a kid with a white woman.

Black Panther: A smart kind African king & is married to a beautiful & strong black woman.

Black Panther all the damn f*cking way.


(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj416/KRStyle/watchCage.jpg)
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Hypestyle on August 08, 2010, 02:21:59 pm
hmm.. the weird way my mind works, I'd have to have some additional context to the question-

what character do you like the most right now?
  Cage, as a regular figure in the New Avengers.
if either had a new ongoing series, whose would you subscribe to?
  Cage, since we've recently had an enjoyable Panther series.
who'd make for a great 65-episode animated series?
  Panther, the most 'natural' opportunity for globe-trotting (and galaxy-hopping) episodes, multiple guest heroes of all kinds..
who'd make for a great, done-in-one movie?
  Assuming an ambitious budget was enabled, Panther.
who'd you want to have your back in a street-fight?
  Luke.  bullet-proof and bench-presses trucks.

So, based on my unscientific criteria, it's Luke Cage by a slim margin.   8)

(by the way, I really hope that Mr. Reggie's team-up arc gets animated- Panther, Cage, Blade, Dr. Voodoo, Pulsar..)
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: JRCarter on August 08, 2010, 06:13:42 pm
Panther's the guy I'd want to be.

Cage is the guy I'd want to watch my back.

Co-sign on this.
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Post by: 4sake on August 08, 2010, 07:13:10 pm
Black Panther/T'Challa
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Emperorjones on August 08, 2010, 09:06:56 pm
Black Panther. Cage is just okay for me, but I don't see what's so great about him. I do enjoy him in Thunderbolts though.

I think BP is a more interesting character with a lot of flexibility to explore all types of stories, whereas Cage is a bit more limited. Plus, BP has a classic, streamlined costume, whereas Cage's was so bad they don't have him in it anymore, and haven't even cared enough to put him in a costume again. Granted he doesn't need to be in a costume, but it would be nice to have a black superhero actually look like a superhero.

So, if its a question of who I would want to be? The king of one of the most powerful countries in the world, a strong black nation untouched by colonialism, with non-self-hating, self-doubting black folk, a straight up hero who comes home to Storm every night. Or Luke Cage, a guy with a questionable past, a questionable future, and comes home to Jessica Jones. I'm picking BP. BMB's attention be damned.
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Catch22 on August 09, 2010, 09:31:47 am
Like I wrote earlier...it was a tough decision for me...but after reading Doomwar #6.  It's Cage in a landslide!
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Kristopher on August 10, 2010, 06:44:23 am
Panther.
To me, Luke Cage is just as much a stereotype now as he was when he was created. Which makes me curious about why Bendis loves that character so much.
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Post by: Marvelous on August 11, 2010, 05:29:19 pm
Panther.
To me, Luke Cage is just as much a stereotype now as he was when he was created. Which makes me curious about why Bendis loves that character so much.

Stereotype in what way?
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Kristopher on August 13, 2010, 05:49:49 am
Panther.
To me, Luke Cage is just as much a stereotype now as he was when he was created. Which makes me curious about why Bendis loves that character so much.


Stereotype in what way?


The classic Big Black Brute Caricature complete with a white woman. Seen before:
(http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/more/014.jpg)(http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/more/elpoder.jpg)
Ghetto/Inner City, gang background. (yawn)Done to death.
But hey, I get it, folks like him, no problem. Bendis took him off the "mean streets" and made him "respectable". Got him a deluxe apartment Mansion in the sky...for only a dollar (which his broke black ass had to borrow from his white friend). He's just not my cup of tea Malt Liquor, which is good, because it just inspires me to create a much better character. I can....and I will.
Peace!
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Vic Vega on August 13, 2010, 06:44:25 am
Bendis has put Cage in nearly every Marvel Universe comic he's written with the exceptions of Mighty Avengers, Dark Avengers and Spider Woman.

In Daredevil he was hired as Matt's bodyguard(since after his secret I.D. was blown, bad guys kept coming at Matt and his law partners day and night). In Alias and Pulse, Cage and Jones have a relationship.

Making Cage Jessica Jones's lover was his way of putting both of of his pet characters(Cage) and the character he created(Jessica Jones) together.

Since Jessica Jones was nly created because Bendis wasn't allowed to use Spider Woman at the time, one wonders if he'd of had Cage hook up with Spider Woman.

They are both 70's characters anyway.


Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Hypestyle on August 13, 2010, 06:58:12 am
Vic-- that would've been awesome, if Jess. Drew had been the Alias character and the hook-up/relationship happened.. and I think the fanboy scorn would've been even more vitriolic, heh-heh..

Kris.. yo, where'd you get those pics from?  was that movie a foreign production?   ;D
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Kristopher on August 13, 2010, 07:27:43 am
Vic- Thanks for the history lesson, but I knew all that. My opinion of Cage is still the same, as is my resolve to do something better. I'm just not impressed with his track record regarding minority characters and if I had my way, I'd undo the B.S. he did to Hector Ayala and bring back the real White Tiger. But, hey, that's just me. :-\

Hype- I got the images from here:
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/more/brute_page.htm
You could probably just do a search for "Hulking Black Brute white woman stereotype" and come across it or something similar, the stereotype is, sadly, so prevalent.
Yes, hooking Cage up with Spider-Woman would have been interesting as opposed to just creating any random white woman character and retconning her into MU history just to hook her up with Cage, and folks had the gall to say BP and Storm( who were paired in a story done almost 30 damn years ago) getting married was "forced". ::)
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Post by: Princesa on August 27, 2010, 01:08:13 pm
I liked Jessica before and more than Luke truth to tell she is one of my all time favorites. And I love them together.
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Post by: Marvelous on August 28, 2010, 11:05:00 am
I liked Jessica before and more than Luke truth to tell she is one of my all time favorites. And I love them together.

I like it too P.  I think the "stereotype" would be him leaving her with the child and not taking responsibility, leaving her on superhero food stamps and a hero wic card.   ;)
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Post by: JRCarter on August 28, 2010, 05:18:27 pm
Yes, hooking Cage up with Spider-Woman would have been interesting as opposed to just creating any random white woman character and retconning her into MU history just to hook her up with Cage, and folks had the gall to say BP and Storm( who were paired in a story done almost 30 damn years ago) getting married was "forced". ::)

Don't you know Black people don't fall in love with each other?
Title: Re: LUKE CAGE OR BLACK PANTHER?
Post by: Francisco on August 29, 2010, 07:35:35 pm
On a side note about the black guy from the movie: El Poder Negro. His love interest was a black woman. The white woman in that picture was just a femme fatal attempting to seduce him. (She failed)

By the way Kristopher how are you exactly going to punt an end to the black brute stereotype? By replacing it with the "black ho" in a bikini killing rhinos with swords?? :P