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Title: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 12, 2010, 09:26:26 pm
from GAWKER:

Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant

Yesterday, Dr. Laura Schlessenger shocked her radio show audience when she argued with a black woman about racism and—among other things—said the word "nigger" six times. Today, Schlessenger apologized for her incredibly offensive rant. Audio and transcripts, inside.

Here's audio of Schlessenger's original rant, which happened during a discussion with a black female caller who thought her white husband's friends were racist (the most shocking moment of which included Schlessenger saying angrily, "Black guys use it all the time. Turn on HBO and listen to a black comic, and all you hear is nigger, nigger, nigger. I don't get it. If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."



Following a commercial break, Schlessenger resumed her conversation with the woman, who was upset at the host's choice of words. Here's audio of the exchange; a partial transcript will follow:



Partial transcript, via HuffPo:

CALLER: Is it OK to say that word? Is it ever OK to say that word?
DR. LAURA: It depends how it's said. Black guys talking to each other seem to think it's ok.
CALLER: But you're not black, they're not black, my husband is white.
DR. LAURA: Oh, I see, so a word is restricted to race. Got it. Can't do much about that.
CALLER: I can't believe someone like you is on the radio spewing out the n-word, and I hope everybody heard it.
DR. LAURA: I didn't spew out the n-word!
CALLER: You said "nigger, nigger, nigger," and I hope everybody heard it.
DR. LAURA: Yes they did, and I'll say it again: nigger, nigger, nigger is what you hear on HBO.
[Crosstalk]
DR. LAURA: Why don't you let me finish a sentence? Don't take things out of context. Don't NAACP me, leave them in context.

What a peach, that Dr. Laura! Oh, also... after her conversation with the caller ended, Schlessenger added this gem: ""If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry outside of your race."

Cut to today: Schlessenger takes to her show to issue an apology for her outburst. Again via HuffPo, here's what she had to say:

"Yesterday, I did the wrong thing," she said. "I didn't intend to hurt people, but I did. And that makes it the wrong thing to have done. I was attempting to make a philosophical point, and I articulated the "n" word all the way out - more than one time. And that was wrong. I'll say it again - that was wrong."

Schlessinger said she "was so upset [she] could not finish the show."

"I pulled myself off the air at the end of the hour," she said. "I had to finish the hour, because 20 minutes of dead air doesn't work. I am very sorry. And it just won't happen again."

Too little too late?
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Catch22 on August 13, 2010, 06:41:01 am
Honestly, I'm sick of the apologies and the apologists.  We know what you are, you know what you are.  Say what you said and keep spoon feeding the kooks that listen to you.  The only reason any of these folks apologize is because they see dollars leaving their pockets.  Say I'm sorry, then all is well.  Even if she gets the boot, she'll turn up somewhere else like a bad penny after she goes on the apology world tour.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Hypestyle on August 13, 2010, 07:01:52 am
I didn't know she was still on the radio.. is she still on TV too, somewhere?   ::)
I guess she, Mel Gibson and Michael Richards can take their act on the road..   ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: TripleX on August 13, 2010, 03:22:46 pm
She immediately accused the caller of "hypersensitivity" before she even heard her complaint. She then bent the discussion in order to launch into her n-word tirade. She said it eleven times! 11! It's almost like she'd been waiting all her life to say it and got carried away. I doubt that though, because she used the word with such confidence and familiarity it has to be a mainstay of her vocabulary. I say we all go over to her house and kick her ass.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Toya on August 14, 2010, 04:12:27 pm
from GAWKER:

"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."


This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.

Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 15, 2010, 04:50:32 pm
BOYCOTTS DON'T WORK!! "HOW TO MAKE DR. LAURA SUFFER CONSEQUENCES"

by Ali LeRoi on Sunday, August 15, 2010 at 7:23am

If Janet Jackson's nipple can get an FCC fine of $500,000 against CBS for broadcasting it on the Superbowl, DR. Laura & her radio stations will get a 5 to 10 million dollar fine once you factor in she is syndic...ated all over the country on over 100 stations. Boycotts don't work! Repeat after me, boycotts don't work. The FCC will fine everybody involved including Dr. Laura and go as far as yanking broadcasting licenses. These are the public airwaves she used to create a racist hate filled tirade.

 

Here is where you come into this ACTION!

 

The FCC acts on consumer complaints... the more people who file a complaint the more the agency will push the matter. First, check this link where & when the Dr. Laura program is on the air in your town.

http://www.drlaura.com/radio/affiliate.htmlExample: Los Angeles KFWB-AM 980 12-3p

Then, go to this link:http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

 

* Broadcasting threatening or intimidating statements about an individual or group or based on the information you provided, you need to file FCC Form 475B - Obscene, Profane, and/or Indecent Broadcast Complaints. Please choose a convenient method to file your complaint. We highly recommend using our online form. This will ensure that all required information is received.

PHONE: Our Consumer & Mediation Specialists are available Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. ET to answer your questions and assist you in filing a complaint. Call toll-free at 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) voice or 1-888-TELL- FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY.

Federal Communications CommissionConsumer & Governmental Affairs BureauConsumer Complaints445 12th Street, SWWashington, D.C. 20554

You can also email your complaint to:

fccinfo@fcc.gov. 

Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 15, 2010, 05:13:32 pm
Leave the FCC out of it.  Once the FCC gets the ball rolling, they get insane and go over board.  And they must have better things to do than to make an example out of someone.

Dr. Laura showed that she is an idiot.  The best way to show your displeasure is to just turn the channel.  The same way you just shouldn't go to Mel Gibson movies.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Redjack on August 16, 2010, 01:45:02 am
lol.

I'm surprised that idiot is still on the air. I haven't thought about her in years.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 16, 2010, 01:55:52 am
Leave the FCC out of it.  Once the FCC gets the ball rolling, they get insane and go over board.  And they must have better things to do than to make an example out of someone.

Dr. Laura showed that she is an idiot.  The best way to show your displeasure is to just turn the channel.  The same way you just shouldn't go to Mel Gibson movies.
Overboard...like fine her exessively, like they did with the Janet Jackson Superbowl business? They don't seem to have anything better to do, so why not actually have them fine the indecent speech of someone who is truly offensive? 

There's too much greasy, racist and dangerous talk going on about our President and about black folks in general.  There's a lack of civil discourse as what should be an exchange of ideas has turned into verbal WWE.  I don't care if you disagree with me, but if there is such a thing as "hate speech" she practices it.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Battle on August 16, 2010, 06:40:36 am
Honestly, I'm sick of the apologies and the apologists.  We know what you are, you know what you are.  Say what you said and keep spoon feeding the kooks that listen to you.  The only reason any of these folks apologize is because they see dollars leaving their pockets.  Say I'm sorry, then all is well.  Even if she gets the boot, she'll turn up somewhere else like a bad penny after she goes on the apology world tour.








There it is...
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Battle on August 16, 2010, 06:46:44 am
Quote
There's too much greasy, racist and dangerous talk going on about our President and about black folks in general.  There's a lack of civil discourse as what should be an exchange of ideas has turned into verbal WWE.  I don't care if you disagree with me, but if there is such a thing as "hate speech" she practices it.





Wayyyy-y-y too much dirty, greasy racist and dangerous talk on the radio.   *COUGH*FOX RADIO*COUGH*
The kind of talk that eats your soul inside and out with unreasonable, childish resentment.    Just a daily dose of pure hatin' !
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 16, 2010, 08:16:19 am
from GAWKER:

"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."


This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.

Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.

Hey, it's Toya!
Good to hear from you. When's graduation?   :)
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 16, 2010, 08:55:43 pm
from AOL NEWS:

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After scrubbing her show's website of the foul rant that prompted outrage -- and lives on in audio and transcript form on Media Matters for America -- Laura Schlessinger apologized. "I articulated the N-word all the way out -- more than one time," she said. "And that was wrong."

Show's over; time to move on? I don't think so.

Professional to professional, Dr. Laura, let Dr. Mary explain why, as offensive as it was, saying the N-word is the least of your problems.

A young black woman calls into your show to get some actual advice about a specific problem: her white husband's family and friends insult her using racist terms and epithets. "My husband ignores those comments, and it hurts my feelings," the caller says.

So, of course, Dr. Laura, you start talking about -- President Barack Obama.

"Without giving much thought, a lot of blacks voted for Obama simply 'cause he was half-black," she said. "Didn't matter what he was gonna do in office, it was a black thing. You gotta know that."

Not only do you ignore the caller and change the subject to get to something that's obviously on your mind and in your heart, Dr. Laura, but you also insist you know the motivation of millions of black voters.

It's not the first time I've heard this ridiculous canard that black people voted for the president based simply on skin color. It assumes that only voters who aren't African-American use logic, reasoning and rational thought before reaching a conclusion. Maybe, just maybe, most African-American voters preferred the policies in the Democratic Party's platform. Did they vote overwhelmingly for Bill Clinton because they liked his smile? Did Al Gore -- another popular candidate with black voters -- wave shiny beads before their faces to mesmerize them? And, of course, Dr. Laura fails to mention that others might have voted against Obama for the same reason.

"We've got a black man as president, and we have more complaining about racism than ever. I mean, I think that's hilarious."

Yes, Dr. Laura. A black man is in the White House, so black folks should just stop complaining when people call them names, ridicule them and discriminate against them. Like you, I just can't stop laughing.

Once you get that out of your system, you return to the young woman, who asks what you, as an advice maven, think about the N-word.

"Black guys use it all the time. Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic, and all you hear is..." And you don't stop there, Dr. Laura. As everyone knows by now, you then launch into an N-word litany, using the word often, leisurely, lovingly, without hesitation. Judging how trippingly it rolls off your tongue, I don't think it's the first time you've said it. Most people I know of every race can't say the word out loud -- it sticks in their throats. You, on the other hand, take a commercial break, come back and say it some more.

You don't seem to understand why people are shocked and disgusted by your behavior. Perhaps it's time for a history lesson.

This is the word that people with ropes used as they lynched men and women for an afternoon's entertainment. This is the word craven politicians shouted to stoke racial fear. This word has been used as background music to terror, which someone of your age and education must know.

Yet, you, Dr. Laura, are upset that this is one word that you cannot utter. For more reasons why, I recommend you listen to the anti-racist writer and activist Tim Wise, who says in response to that very question that "as a white person I will not bear the consequences of whatever decision black folks make about when, if and how to use the word."

"The history of that word in the mouths of white people is not a mixed history." Wise asks, is there a double standard, before answering yes. "History has been a double standard," he says, so you better get over it.

Most black people I know hate the word and never use it. The NAACP, which you managed to turn into a derogatory verb during your rant (nice trick, that) symbolically buried the N-word several years ago, so corrosive is its power. The late, great Richard Pryor, an early practitioner in his comedy routines, stopped using it after a trip to Africa. "To this day I wish I'd never said the word," he said. "I felt its lameness. It was misunderstood by people. They didn't get what I was talking about. Neither did I. . . . So I vowed never to say it again."

In the face of all this evidence, I wonder, Dr. Laura, how you've come to the conclusion that comedians on R-rated cable television shows set the tone for polite interaction between the races. How many doctors and lawyers -- of any color -- grocery clerks, teachers and nurses have you heard using the words you just used on the radio? Just who are you hanging out with? On second thought, Dr. Laura, I don't think I want to know.

By this time, the young woman who called you must be pretty sorry she turned to Dr. Laura for advice. (Remind me never to come to you when I have a problem.)

When you get back to her and her specific issue of dealing with her husband's white friends and family members' use of racial insults in her presence, your solution is -- to make it her fault.

"You know what? If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race. If you're going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, 'OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?'"

Now Dr. Laura, I am an African-American woman married to an American of Norwegian, English and Irish descent. When our large and diverse families get together on, for example, Thanksgiving, we eat turkey, watch football and tell jokes, though never the ones that ridicule or single out blacks, whites, Italians, Jews, Catholics, Poles, homosexuals or any other group. And you know what, Dr. Laura? We have a lot of fun.

But then, that's just us.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: TripleX on August 17, 2010, 10:28:02 am
Leave the FCC out of it.  Once the FCC gets the ball rolling, they get insane and go over board.  And they must have better things to do than to make an example out of someone.

Dr. Laura showed that she is an idiot.  The best way to show your displeasure is to just turn the channel.  The same way you just shouldn't go to Mel Gibson movies.
Overboard...like fine her excessively, like they did with the Janet Jackson Superbowl business? They don't seem to have anything better to do, so why not actually have them fine the indecent speech of someone who is truly offensive? 

There's too much greasy, racist and dangerous talk going on about our President and about black folks in general.  There's a lack of civil discourse as what should be an exchange of ideas has turned into verbal WWE.  I don't care if you disagree with me, but if there is such a thing as "hate speech" she practices it.

Exactly! I'm with you man! But I still say we go kick her ass! lol
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Vic Vega on August 17, 2010, 11:38:50 am
from GAWKER:

"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."


This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.

Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.

Wow.

A Toya sighting!

How're things?
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on August 17, 2010, 03:50:48 pm
Dr. Laura is scheduled to appear on Larry King tonight.

HEF attack squad, hit the phone-lines! 8)
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on August 17, 2010, 07:01:50 pm
Dr. Laura did not look well at all during the King Interview.

I hope it's just that I haven't seen her since her TV talk show years ago.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: TripleX on August 18, 2010, 08:09:42 am
I hope it's because she's terminally ill.

She said she's not renewing her contract and leaving her show so she can say whatever she wants without "special interests groups" complaining. She tried to make it clear it was her own decision and basically she took back her fake apology.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 18, 2010, 08:10:48 am
I hope it's because she's terminally ill.

She said she's not renewing her contract and leaving her show so she can say whatever she wants without "special interests groups" complaining. She tried to make it clear it was her own decision and basically she took back her fake apology.

I don't believe she's going anywhere.  Just like Imus, radio racists always keep a job.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Hypestyle on August 18, 2010, 08:26:19 am
i sent an email complaint to the FCC, and they responded, i don't quite understand the message - "There is no longer a role for the FCC and the FCC will not defend any person concerning personal attacks"

and they attached something about policy they adopted circa 2000.. lots of legalese, here's an excerpt..
Federal Communications Commission FCC 00-386
Before the
Federal Communications Commission
Washington, D.C. 20554
In the Matter of
Repeal or Modification of the
Personal Attack and Political Editorial Rules

MM Docket No. 83-484
ORDER
(Proceeding Terminated)
Adopted: October 26, 2000 Released: October 26, 2000
By the Commission: Chairman Kennard issuing a statement; Commissioner Powell concurring and
issuing a statement.
1. Pursuant to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals’ order in Radio-Television News Directors
Association v. FCC, No. 98-1305, slip op. (D.C. Cir. Oct. 11, 2000) (RTNDA), we hereby repeal Sections
73.1920 and 73.1930 of our rules, 47 C.F.R. §§ 73.1920, 73.1930, the broadcast personal attack and
political editorial rules. Further, in light of these actions, we vacate our Order and Request to Update
Record released October 4, 2000 (FCC 00-360) and terminate this proceeding.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Catch22 on August 18, 2010, 11:23:15 am
She's not going anywhere...the "leaving" doesn't take effect until everything blows over the end of the year, it'll give her time to turn the tables and triumphantly keep her show in the interest of not being run out of the house by "special interest groups".
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Afro Samurai on August 19, 2010, 12:45:01 pm
No what, this white racist bitch brought up some good point:

"Without giving much thought, a lot of blacks voted for Obama simply 'cause he was half-black," she said. "Didn't matter what he was gonna do in office, it was a black thing. You gotta know that."

I can't front, that is only reason why I voted for him.

"You know what? If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race. If you're going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, 'OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?'

Again, I am on Laura's side again. People know that interracial relationships is still taboo, so that stupid black caller should expect backlash. But hey that caller is stupid in the first place for marrying a white man and asking advice from a white woman.

How come, Howard Stern aint off the air yet? That racist has been saying slick sh*t for mad long now.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Wise Son on August 19, 2010, 04:22:49 pm
from GAWKER:

"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."


This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.

Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.
Quoted for truth Toyah. One of the reasons I'll always defend so-called Political Correctness is that I see it as being the simple principle of "say what you mean, mean what you say, and take responsibility for both." If you want to call black people 'niggers', go ahead and do it. Knock yourself out. But if people don't like it, take responsibility for the choice you made. If you don't understand why it upsets them, take responsibility for your ignorance and find out why they have reacted that way. If it turns out you made a poor choice in using that word, own up to it, and if you feel you were justified, explain why.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: bluezulu on August 19, 2010, 07:36:39 pm
Toya!!! So good to hear from you. I hope all is well? Wow it have been so e-long for all of us since the original hef crew.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Vic Vega on August 20, 2010, 06:51:35 am
@Hypestyle: So the FCC has just given up trying to enforce its rules and anybody can  just say whatever (including Carlin seven little words) on the air now? Or they just given up taking listener complaints. With the advent of the Shock Jock I could see it being the latter(they'd need a small army for enforcement and investgation at this rate). But I don't know what's going on either.

So I heard/read that Doc Laura's quitting radio. Boo-Hoo.

In what is becoming a nation of whiners, the whinest of all have to be White Conseratives of Doc Laura's ilk.

I had heard she said she wanted to regain her freedom of speech. Nobody took it away from her. It just seems to be news to her that actions have cosequences.  I have the absolute right to stand on a streetcorner in Spanish Harlem and yell anti-Hispanic slurs. But I cannot cry about the inevitable end result of such behavior(i.e. an asskicking).

I'm not gonna defend the N-word as I think it has no value. At all. But its not like the brothers are listening on this subject lately.

I have heard Italians of a certain generation call each other "Wop" but just you try it. Gays may call each other gay slurs in an ironic way but if somebody else does it, it's hate speech.

It not that the rules are too hard to understand. It is just that to atempt to undertand the rules(or to learn that there are any in the first place) requires that you actually learn about the world and people around you.  And THAT'S the part that is freaking Dr. Laura out. Folks like her think the world revolves around them and thier worldview. One of the worst things you could do to folks like that is let them know they are in error about that.   
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Battle on August 20, 2010, 06:57:00 am
NPR's TELL me MORE  hosted by Michel Martin weighs in with her report (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129166467):

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/HEFlaura_01.jpg)
The Nigger Lady

"...And don't miss our media roundtable about Dr. Laura Schlessinger's announcement that she is done with radio.  Just days after apologizing for using the N-word 11 times on air, Dr. Laura told CNN's Larry King on Tuesday she is leaving her national talk show at the end of the year."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129166467




Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 20, 2010, 10:27:42 am
Who?

Now the typical "why you guys can say it but not me" or the kicker of an argument "they voted for Obama cuz he was half-black". I guess veterans voted for McCain because he was POW.  ::)

The caller "trolled" her good and she fell for the bait like a moron.


Is the entire "transcript" available or are we stuck with this "partial transcript"?

As for talk radio, when I had my car before it went up I refused to listen to anyone. I would just have my music and just go.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Emperorjones on August 21, 2010, 08:02:52 am
@Hypestyle: So the FCC has just given up trying to enforce its rules and anybody can  just say whatever (including Carlin seven little words) on the air now? Or they just given up taking listener complaints. With the advent of the Shock Jock I could see it being the latter(they'd need a small army for enforcement and investgation at this rate). But I don't know what's going on either.

So I heard/read that Doc Laura's quitting radio. Boo-Hoo.

In what is becoming a nation of whiners, the whinest of all have to be White Conseratives of Doc Laura's ilk.

I had heard she said she wanted to regain her freedom of speech. Nobody took it away from her. It just seems to be news to her that actions have cosequences.  I have the absolute right to stand on a streetcorner in Spanish Harlem and yell anti-Hispanic slurs. But I cannot cry about the inevitable end result of such behavior(i.e. an asskicking).

I'm not gonna defend the N-word as I think it has no value. At all. But its not like the brothers are listening on this subject lately.

I have heard Italians of a certain generation call each other "Wop" but just you try it. Gays may call each other gay slurs in an ironic way but if somebody else does it, it's hate speech.

It not that the rules are too hard to understand. It is just that to atempt to undertand the rules(or to learn that there are any in the first place) requires that you actually learn about the world and people around you.  And THAT'S the part that is freaking Dr. Laura out. Folks like her think the world revolves around them and thier worldview. One of the worst things you could do to folks like that is let them know they are in error about that.   

Double V,

On this we agree. Good way to sum up the victimology that some white conservatives wade in. I found it even funnier that Sarah Palin would rush to Dr. Laura's defense when a few months ago she was going after Seth McFarlane and the word retarded. She likened the word to the n-word and I believe that she said that no one would tolerate using that word, yet here she is, defending Dr. Laura. Of course its on the grounds of Laura 'not being a racist' or something, but all it says to me is that the conservatives are just sticking up for one of their own and that Palin is playing to her base. The base which largely refuses or denies racists among them, and truth be told, I don't think most of them believe that white racism continues to exist, or is all that bad, or that the only racism that does occur today is black racism/reverse racism against them.

Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 22, 2010, 12:27:07 pm
OK, time for an alternative point of view. I was out of town last week, and kept repeatedly hearing on MSNBC how horrible Dr. Laura Schlesinger is, including Al Sharpton railing against her, but strangely I never heard a precise quote of what she actually said that was objectionable. So finally I did a Google search and found the transcript. (I don't have the link anymore, but any of you can do the same and find it). My comments are based on the transcript found in the MediaMatters article. Of course the key is to focus on what she actually said, not on the editorial spin of the reporter. If she said anything other than what is reported in the MediaMatters article, I would like to know, as my comments are entirely based on what MediaMatters reported. As an aside, my understanding that her publicist (or some such professional rep) is black.

For heaven's sake. I'm no fan of Dr. Laura, but if you read the ENTIRE transcript of her comments, not snippets taken out of context, she was NOT calling anyone a "nigger."  Had she done so, I would be the first to condemn her. But she did NOT do so. She was simply commenting on the common use of that adjective in the Black Media and Entertainment Industries. You do hear "nigger, nigger, nigger" all the time in music lyrics, by comedians, and so on. On that point, Schlesinger was completely correct.  Even Al Sharpton has used the term, though this didn't stop him from bitching on cable news about Schlesinger's reference to others using the term.

Even recently, on the Hudlin Entertainment Forum, we had a discussion of the disparaging phrase "House Nigger."  Was it "racist" for me to respond to another Forum member's use of that description. Were my comments a "racist rant" because I repeated the "N" word used by someone else?  :P

By the same token, one could condemn MediaMatters for printing the "N" word repeatedly in its story, as it, like Dr. Laura, was simply repeating what others say.  Both were quoting or referencing the comments and behavior of others.

This bitch-fest is nothing but left-wing smear politics, using her reference (not use of) the term "nigger" as a pretense. To the extent that any person was offended by Schlesinger's use of the "N" word, in the context that she used it, that person is hyper-sensitive.

The use of the term "nigger" is clearly offensive when used to describe someone else. I have strongly made that point myself, here on the Forum (with some black forum members disagreeing with me). Its use is not offensive when quoting or referencing the quotes of others. In the latter context, it doesn't matter if the person quoting the term is black or white (or even the editor of MediaMatters or Dr. Laura).  That was Schlesinger's point, in saying it should not matter if the person using the term is black or white. She was referencing the context in which she was using the term (as referencing the conduct of others), after the female caller attacked her in a "gotcha" fashion after hearing the term.

Now, you might object to her description of the female caller (a black woman married to a white man) as hyper-sensitive, but that is another matter. If that is all Schlesinger had said, without her reference to other folk's use of the "N" word, you would have never heard about it, and nobody would have made a stink. Whether the woman who called her was hyper-sensitive or not, I've no way to know, as it is hard to discern from a short phone call if the caller's white husband's relatives are really jerks, or whether they were just innocently asking her what "black people" think about X or Y, in the same way that if a Christian were married to a Jew, the Christian relatives might ask the Jew "What do Jews think about that." (Indeed, Schlesinger made this very same point). Now one might be offended by being treated as a "representative" of an entire group simply because one is a member of that group, but ... at times people (including sometimes on the Forum) have asked me about the Jewish perspective, and so forth, and I don't take offense. It all turns on whether there is a sub-text of bigotry or not. The female caller did not articulate why she assumed a sub-text of racism. The women did not describe any conduct that was clearly and overtly racist. Perhaps had she done so, Dr. Laura would not have gone off on the "hyper-sensitivity" issue.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: TripleX on August 22, 2010, 12:37:57 pm
Did you not hear the phone call? The caller wasn't complaining about being a representative for all Black people, her husband's friends and relatives were throwing around the n-word. Shiiiiid, I may be "hypersensitive" but one thing I'm not is deaf.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Redjack on August 22, 2010, 12:49:02 pm
that woman is a waste of flesh and air.

this current issue is only one more in a long list. People like her- hypocrites, liars and demagogues- make the world uglier. the best she deserves from decent people is our pity for having such an ugly shriveled mind.

that's the absolute best she deserves.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 22, 2010, 02:41:54 pm
Well, from the transcript, it wasn't immediately clear to me what was said to the female caller "Jade" by her husband's friends and family members, other than the question as to "what do black folks think about ...".  When I read the transcript (didn't listen to the audio as didn't have access to audio), I didn't catch the meaning of Jade's comment right before the commercial break, when she referenced the use of the "N-word." I thought she was describing a generality, but I see I may have misunderstood her meaning. It is unclear as to the context that the term was used by those friends and family members, if it was, but if it was used to disparagingly describe African-Americans, then of course I find it totally objectionable. I personally have a zero-tolerance policy for that sort of thing. If it was used as some attempt at humor or to sound "hip" in an impersonation of black comedians or rappers, then ... well, I would still find it pretty lame, but not rising to the same level. I personally find it offensive when white folk try to sound "hip" around black folk by suddenly using hip-hop jargon and the like, even though it may be nothing more than a lame-ass attempt to "connect." Or, it may have been out-and-out racist. Unfortunately, we don't know the details of Jade's interaction with her husband's family and friends, as the conversation after the break went off in a different direction (and there, the blame does lie with Schlesinger in not following through).

Given that Jade's husband is white, and he married a black woman, it seems unlikely that he is a vicious racist, and the fact that he has not objected might be because (as Schlesinger assumes) some comments were made in jest or offered as innocent sincere questions, or it might be that Jade's husband is just a wimp who has some real asshole friends and family. We just don't know. For our ignorance of the underlying facts, the buck stops with Dr. Laura.

Looking at the transcript again, I think Schlesinger could have done more to address the issues rather than dismissing the caller. At least to find out the context in which in "N-word" was used around Jade. But I also think that if Schlesinger herself had not said "nigger nigger nigger' in reference to the use of the term by the Black Media etc ... nobody would have paid any attention. Her use of the term, in effect quoting others, was not in itself racist. And it is the case that black Americans do use the "N-word" and it is not always in a joking of affectionate manner (as in the phrase "house nigger" for example).

All that said, I can't stand Dr. Laura, never have been able to tolerate her, so I don't see myself as one of knee-jerk defenders. However, in looking over the transcript again, I now do see Jade's reference to the "N-word" right before the commercial break. Thanks, Triple X, for referring me to that part of the transcript.

If Schlesinger was acting as an advocate for racist slurs, making the point that it is fine and dandy for white folk to use the term "nigger" in general conversation in a disparaging way, of course I strongly disagree. I find that to be repulsive. I don't believe that is what she was trying to say. It is not entirely clear to me what point Schelsinger was trying to make though ... as she went off a lot on referencing the use of racial references "in humor" and in the media, etc, and not as racist slurs. Perhaps Schlesinger was pulling Jade's experience into her own frame of reference (where perhaps the N-word is not overtly used as a slur). Of course every mental health professional knows this kind of projection is a no-no. Just reinforces why I never listen to her. Her degree is not in psychology or psychiatry, so I never gave her much credit for anything. Actually, Geoff, we see eye-to-eye on Dr. Laura.

In any event, I believe the controversy is overblown, given that Schlesinger did not actually call anyone a "nigger." She could have done a much better, and much more informative, job in handling the conversation, however. To really pin down what the caller was talking about.

Anyway, here is the transcript:   

 SCHLESSINGER: Jade, welcome to the program.

    CALLER: Hi, Dr. Laura.

    SCHLESSINGER: Hi.

    CALLER: I'm having an issue with my husband where I'm starting to grow very resentful of him. I'm black, and he's white. We've been around some of his friends and family members who start making racist comments as if I'm not there or if I'm not black. And my husband ignores those comments, and it hurts my feelings. And he acts like --

    SCHLESSINGER: Well, can you give me an example of a racist comment? 'Cause sometimes people are hypersensitive. So tell me what's -- give me two good examples of racist comments.

    CALLER: OK. Last night -- good example -- we had a neighbor come over, and this neighbor -- when every time he comes over, it's always a black comment. It's, "Oh, well, how do you black people like doing this?" And, "Do black people really like doing that?" And for a long time, I would ignore it. But last night, I got to the point where it --

    SCHLESSINGER: I don't think that's racist.

    CALLER: Well, the stereotype --

    SCHLESSINGER: I don't think that's racist. No, I think that --

    CALLER: [unintelligible]

    SCHLESSINGER: No, no, no. I think that's -- well, listen, without giving much thought, a lot of blacks voted for Obama simply 'cause he was half-black. Didn't matter what he was gonna do in office, it was a black thing. You gotta know that. That's not a surprise. Not everything that somebody says -- we had friends over the other day; we got about 35 people here -- the guys who were gonna start playing basketball. I was going to go out and play basketball. My bodyguard and my dear friend is a black man. And I said, "White men can't jump; I want you on my team." That was racist? That was funny.

    CALLER: How about the N-word? So, the N-word's been thrown around --

    SCHLESSINGER: Black guys use it all the time. Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic, and all you hear is nigger, nigger, nigger.

    CALLER: That isn't --

    SCHLESSINGER: I don't get it. If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing; but when black people say it, it's affectionate. It's very confusing. Don't hang up, I want to talk to you some more. Don't go away.

    I'm Dr. Laura Schlessinger. I'll be right back.

After taking a commercial break, Schlessinger resumed her discussion with the caller:

    SCHLESSINGER: I'm Dr. Laura Schlessinger, talking to Jade. What did you think about during the break, by the way?

    CALLER: I was a little caught back by the N-word that you spewed out, I have to be honest with you. But my point is, race relations --

    SCHLESSINGER: Oh, then I guess you don't watch HBO or listen to any black comedians.

    CALLER: But that doesn't make it right. I mean, race is a [unintelligible] --

    SCHLESSINGER: My dear, my dear --

    CALLER: -- since Obama's been in office --

    SCHLESSINGER: -- the point I'm trying to make --

    CALLER: -- racism has come to another level that's unacceptable.

    SCHLESSINGER: Yeah. We've got a black man as president, and we have more complaining about racism than ever. I mean, I think that's hilarious.

    CALLER: But I think, honestly, because there's more white people afraid of a black man taking over the nation.

    SCHLESSINGER: They're afraid.

    CALLER: If you want to be honest about it [unintelligible]

    SCHLESSINGER: Dear, they voted him in. Only 12 percent of the population's black. Whites voted him in.

    CALLER: It was the younger generation that did it. It wasn't the older white people who did it.

    SCHLESSINGER: Oh, OK.

    CALLER: It was the younger generation --

    SCHLESSINGER: All right. All right.

    CALLER: -- that did it.

    SCHLESSINGER: Chip on your shoulder. I can't do much about that.

    CALLER: It's not like that.

    SCHLESSINGER: Yeah. I think you have too much sensitivity --

    CALLER: So it's OK to say "nigger"?

    SCHLESSINGER: -- and not enough sense of humor.

    CALLER: It's OK to say that word?

    SCHLESSINGER: It depends how it's said.

    CALLER: Is it OK to say that word? Is it ever OK to say that word?

    SCHLESSINGER: It's -- it depends how it's said. Black guys talking to each other seem to think it's OK.

    CALLER: But you're not black. They're not black. My husband is white.

    SCHLESSINGER: Oh, I see. So, a word is restricted to race. Got it. Can't do much about that.

    CALLER: I can't believe someone like you is on the radio spewing out the "nigger" word, and I hope everybody heard it.

    SCHLESSINGER: I didn't spew out the "nigger" word.

    CALLER: You said, "Nigger, nigger, nigger."

    SCHLESSINGER: Right, I said that's what you hear.

    CALLER: Everybody heard it.

    SCHLESSINGER: Yes, they did.

    CALLER: I hope everybody heard it.

    SCHLESSINGER: They did, and I'll say it again --

    CALLER: So what makes it OK for you to say the word?

    SCHLESSINGER: -- nigger, nigger, nigger is what you hear on HB --

    CALLER: So what makes it --

    SCHLESSINGER: Why don't you let me finish a sentence?

    CALLER: OK.

    SCHLESSINGER: Don't take things out of context. Don't double N -- NAACP me. Tape the --

    CALLER: I know what the NAACP --

    SCHLESSINGER: Leave them in context.

    CALLER: I know what the N-word means and I know it came from a white person. And I know the white person made it bad.

    SCHLESSINGER: All right. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Can't have this argument. You know what? If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race. If you're going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, "OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?" Of course there isn't a one-think per se. But in general there's "think."

    And what I just heard from Jade is a lot of what I hear from black-think -- and it's really distressting [sic] and disturbing. And to put it in its context, she said the N-word, and I said, on HBO, listening to black comics, you hear "nigger, nigger, nigger." I didn't call anybody a nigger. Nice try, Jade. Actually, sucky try.

    Need a sense of humor, sense of humor -- and answer the question. When somebody says, "What do blacks think?" say, "This is what I think. This is what I read that if you take a poll the majority of blacks think this." Answer the question and discuss the issue. It's like we can't discuss anything without saying there's -isms?

    We have to be able to discuss these things. We're people -- goodness gracious me. Ah -- hypersensitivity, OK, which is being bred by black activists. I really thought that once we had a black president, the attempt to demonize whites hating blacks would stop, but it seems to have grown, and I don't get it. Yes, I do. It's all about power. I do get it. It's all about power and that's sad because what should be in power is not power or righteousness to do good -- that should be the greatest power.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Redjack on August 22, 2010, 03:20:08 pm
Like I said.  A worthless hypocritical human being.

She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?

Liar.

Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 22, 2010, 03:47:23 pm
Like I said.  A worthless hypocritical human being.

She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?

Liar.


Good to hear of your outrage when some white Leftist, talking with his black activist friends, says that "Clarence Thomas a just a house nigger."  I personally agree that such characterizations are offensive.  Though I think there may be some of the Left who remain confused. Particularly if anyone else in the group laughs in response to that comment. Keep me posted.

As to the "Whazzup Niggah" greetings, of white nerds trying to sound black, well ... I've little tolerance for that kind of bullcrap either.  I'm not sure if any folks are confused on that front ... but some may be. Blame the Media.

As to quoting others who regularly use the "N-word" or making reference to their usage of the word ... I don't see anything offensive in that, even if it is a white person doing the quoting, and a black person listening to the quote or reference.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Wise Son on August 22, 2010, 05:19:23 pm
I think it's more how unwarranted so much of what she said was. If anything, I found that more offensive. It seemed an excuse for Dr Laura to get everything off her chest that annoys her about black people.

For no reason, she immediately suggests that the caller is being 'hypersensitive'.

For no reason she starts talking at length about how 'Black people voted for Obama just because he is Black.'

She dismisses her own sterotypical assumptions (Black guys are all good at basketball) as funny, and here she doesn't even take one Black person's views as representing the whole race, she just declares it funny without asking.

The caller says, "The N Word's been thrown around," which I take to mean that it's been used in her home, and is upsetting her, so of course Dr Laura goes off on a rant about Black people using the word on HBO, seemingly suggesting that this sets a precedent for behaviour in the home.

She says she finds the issue confusing, but ignores any chance to ask about it and listen, and instead continues to talk at her listener, telling her what's wrong with her and the rest of the Black race, and condescendingly dismissing her difference of opinion as 'a chip on her shoulder'.

For no reason, she brings up the NAACP, using it as a way to describe maliciously twisting people's words, then rambles on about "black-think," and how it is all the fault of black people whose hypersensitivity and lack of humour is caused by civil rights groups.

Now, the use of 'nigger' does depend so largely on context. It's a word that carries so much threat and negativity that I don't think it is ever acceptable. However, if someone does refer to me that way, but it's someone I know or have a good reason to think does respect me, and does not in any way carry those threatening intentions, I can at least not be offended by it. Dr. Laura creates a tense atmosphere of huge negativity towards black people and soecifically the woman calling her, and yet seems to want her words not to be viewed in that context.

Or, let me put it another way. Mike, I know you well enough from this board, and trust you enough that if I heard you use the word 'nigger' I would instantly assume you were just quoting someone, or having a serious discussion about the word, and certainly not that you were using it to express a hatred or prejudice against me or people like me. Dr Laura has done nothing to create any of that trust, and has actually done a hell of a lot to damage it.

I agree that, if anything, focussing on her 'niggers' is avoiding some of the issues raised by her rant, but it is certainly the most obviously shocking aspect of it, and frankly, she comes across as having been looking for an excuse to say what she said.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 22, 2010, 08:40:28 pm
Wise Son, I can't disagree with a lot of what you are saying.  Sheesh, what's going on here lately?  :o

Not that I've not myself commented, on this very Forum, that some authors of articles posted by others appear (to me) to be outright nuts, paranoid, reflecting massive chips on the shoulder, etc. ... and it can be exasperating. But for Dr. Laura to assume that about the caller, before getting more specific information, was out of line. But of course, by now, you know the emphasis I place on treating each person as an individual. Dr. Laura did first ask the caller to give a concrete example, and the example the caller gave was pretty ambiguous, not necessarily evidencing objectively offensive conduct. But Schlesinger could have asked for more details.

Schlesinger did herself and her listeners a disservice. As to whether this was a disservice to her caller, it really turns on whether she was legit. One would think that if people were really throwing the "N-word" around in an offensive manner, that would be the first thing that "Jade" would give as an example of offensive conduct by her husband's friends and family, instead of what she did initially say (which, I think, is why her later reference to the N-word seemed unclear to me). I believe Jade's initial explanation is what prompted Dr. Laura to form her quick opinion. But then, I've never had any respect for "Dr" Laura's clinical judgment.

Funny thing is that I found her "nigger nigger nigger" comment, in reference to hearing that term all the time via Black Media, Music and Celebrities, to be the least objectionable aspect of what she was saying, since what she was observing in that respect was correct, yet that is what got most of the attention. In terms of Media attention, it is all about sound bites. And PC taboos.

Oh, and Wise Son. Why would anyone throw the N-word at you? I thought you were a Paki? ;D Hahahahahahaha!

(Honestly, I don't remember your ethnicity clearly; I'm gettin' old and my memory ain't what it used to be, and after the late '60s it wasn't so great anyway. As an aside, several years ago, I did some paintings as illustrations for some short stories and a play, for a woman who was originally from Pakistan. Once, I don't remember how it came up, she deepened her smoker's voice and said in the accent of a British Colonial Administrator, as if slurred with gin, "Those daaaamned Pakis!" (with an emphasis on the hard "P"). Maybe you had to be there, but we were both just cracking up.)
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Magic Wand on August 22, 2010, 09:07:51 pm
Oh, and Wise Son. Why would anyone throw the N-word at you? I thought you were a Paki? Grin Hahahahahahaha!


Equally offensive Mike.
Equally offensive.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 22, 2010, 11:53:42 pm
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.  

I believe that Wise Son does have a rather subtle sense of humor, and that he is capable of discerning when something is said out of malice and when it is said out of good-natured humor (actually mocking the bigotry with irony, as a satirical twist on the whole discussion). While Wise Son and I disagree on a lot of things, we also agree from time to time, we respect one another and are friends on the Forum. If I did not think that he would understand my sense of humor, I would not have made the jesting comment.

So we'll see.

It is impossible for me to believe that everyone has a chip on his or her shoulder, and that all capacity for humor, including sardonic humor, is lost in this world.  :P
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Redjack on August 23, 2010, 03:27:53 am
Like I said.  A worthless hypocritical human being.

She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?

Liar.


Good to hear of your outrage when some white Leftist, talking with his black activist friends, says that "Clarence Thomas a just a house nigger."  I personally agree that such characterizations are offensive.  Though I think there may be some of the Left who remain confused. Particularly if anyone else in the group laughs in response to that comment. Keep me posted.

As to the "Whazzup Niggah" greetings, of white nerds trying to sound black, well ... I've little tolerance for that kind of bullcrap either.  I'm not sure if any folks are confused on that front ... but some may be. Blame the Media.


The only people I tolerate the word "nigger" from are black. period. My white friends and relatives would never be so idiotic or socially inept as to even get near that word, whatever the circumstance.

There is no "we" on this point. There's us, black people, and everybody else. It's not something that is up for debate with anyone outside our ethnic group and the opinions of those outside this group are meaningless. Which is precisely why it bugs so many whites. It's one of the very very very very few things they don't get to coopt (and why would they want to?) or take the sting out of of through repetition. THAT is why it's an issue.  They can't stand being meaningless even in this, the most negative context.

Call a black person a nigger while not being black yourself and expect something harsh in return up to and including physical violence. End of story.

Even discussing it with non-blacks is offensive because it implies that we all agree there's something to discuss.

There isn't. Keep off the grass.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Magic Wand on August 23, 2010, 04:27:39 am
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.  



You just don't get it, do you, Kike?  errrr....I mean, Mike!

 :D :D :D :D














Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 23, 2010, 05:54:12 am
After looking at the transcript, why was Dr Laura being rude in not letting the caller speak and continue the conversation? Not surprising she went the "HBO and black comedians" route. What does "HBO" have anything to do with the caller and her concerns regarding her bitch ass husband and his family saying comments that is uncomfortable for her? I know for a fact I would punch, slap anyone in the face if they talk about my wife (not married) in a negative light.


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If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race. If you're going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, "OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?" Of course there isn't a one-think per se. But in general there's "think."
Now for "what do blacks think?" Am I supposed to be some f*cking resident "expert" on black relations? Mang her stupidity is really coming out strong. Another question, what does Obama have anything to with her concerns of her bitch ass husband not saying anything to defend his wife since she feels uncomfortable?


A person can marry anyone they want and yes it does comes with the territory of dating and marrying outside your race but using as an insult to the caller makes it even worse. At first I thought the caller "trolled" her but now come to think of it she was just concerned about her husband (not saying anything) and her family saying things that is uncomfortable to her.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 23, 2010, 07:39:33 am
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.  

You just don't get it, do you, Kike?  errrr....I mean, Mike!
 :D :D :D :D


Thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning. Finally some humor from someone else. Yep, I did chuckle when I saw your post. If we can't laugh at ourselves, and understand differences in context, and mock the stupidity of racism and bigotry with humor as well as with serious commentary, then we are in really bad shape. ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: michaelintp on August 23, 2010, 08:01:18 am
Like I said.  A worthless hypocritical human being.
She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?
Liar.
Good to hear of your outrage when some white Leftist, talking with his black activist friends, says that "Clarence Thomas a just a house nigger."  I personally agree that such characterizations are offensive.  Though I think there may be some of the Left who remain confused. Particularly if anyone else in the group laughs in response to that comment. Keep me posted.
As to the "Whazzup Niggah" greetings, of white nerds trying to sound black, well ... I've little tolerance for that kind of bullcrap either.  I'm not sure if any folks are confused on that front ... but some may be. Blame the Media.
The only people I tolerate the word "nigger" from are black. period. My white friends and relatives would never be so idiotic or socially inept as to even get near that word, whatever the circumstance.
There is no "we" on this point. There's us, black people, and everybody else. It's not something that is up for debate with anyone outside our ethnic group and the opinions of those outside this group are meaningless. Which is precisely why it bugs so many whites. It's one of the very very very very few things they don't get to coopt (and why would they want to?) or take the sting out of of through repetition. THAT is why it's an issue.  They can't stand being meaningless even in this, the most negative context.
Call a black person a nigger while not being black yourself and expect something harsh in return up to and including physical violence. End of story.
Even discussing it with non-blacks is offensive because it implies that we all agree there's something to discuss.
There isn't. Keep off the grass.

I actually agree with you (um ... not that you care, haha) on the first two examples I gave. Though I know for a fact that I've heard non-blacks of the leftish persuasion engage in the first example when referring to black conservatives, and was surprised when it didn't produce at least a raised eyebrow, and I have heard some white people use Hip-Hop intonation/jargon when talking to a black person, and so forth, which I personally find offensive and patronizing. I personally don't do these things precisely because my sense is you would react just as you do; the first example uses the term in a disparaging way, and the second is at best stupid. I don't agree that the word is "taboo" when discussing what other people say.

On the other hand, more broadly, there is good-natured racial/ethnic humor that people offer between one another, and depending on the relationship of the people and intent, there are times when it can be funny, in effect mocking the stereotypes. We are all familiar with ethnic humor, and depending on the context and content, it is not all taboo.

OK, now I'll run off the grass and back onto the sidewalk.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Wise Son on August 24, 2010, 02:38:13 am
Wise Son, I can't disagree with a lot of what you are saying.  Sheesh, what's going on here lately?  :o
You're starting to recognise the liberal bias of reality. ;)
But for Dr. Laura to assume that about the caller, before getting more specific information, was out of line.
And in a way, I'm glad that she did go off on her 'nigger rant', because no one would have made any complaints about those assumptions and their underlying, more pernicious racism without it. I'm glad she lost it, and drew attention to how offensive she was really being.
Dr. Laura did first ask the caller to give a concrete example, and the example the caller gave was pretty ambiguous, not necessarily evidencing objectively offensive conduct.
Well, it actually goes back to what you were saying about treating people as individuals. It actually perfectly reflects people making the assumption that an ethnic group are monolithic ("I never knew Black people liked that!" What, you thought that the entire race had a meeting and decided they all hated, say, mayonnaise?), and then compounding it by asking one person to speak for their entire group. It's a pretty typical and annoying situation for minority people.
As to whether this was a disservice to her caller, it really turns on whether she was legit. One would think that if people were really throwing the "N-word" around in an offensive manner, that would be the first thing that "Jade" would give as an example of offensive conduct by her husband's friends and family, instead of what she did initially say
Well, that's one way of looking at it, but you could see it as: She was calling about her husband's friends, and maybe did not want to give the worst examples. Dr Laura immediately went on the attack, accusing her of being hypersensitive and of not having any valid complaints, so I would not be surprised if the caller felt she then had to bring up stuff she might have wanted to avoid.
Just offering that as a possible alternative.
Funny thing is that I found her "nigger nigger nigger" comment, in reference to hearing that term all the time via Black Media, Music and Celebrities, to be the least objectionable aspect of what she was saying, since what she was observing in that respect was correct, yet that is what got most of the attention. In terms of Media attention, it is all about sound bites. And PC taboos.
True, but again, it highlights underlying racist assumptions. It had nothing to do with her caller's situation, but clearly, in Dr Laura's head there is a little section labelled 'Black issues', and once the door to that was open, it just all came pouring out. If you can't talk to a Jew without mentioning the Holocaust, or a black person without mentioning HBO comedians, you have issues.
Oh, and Wise Son. Why would anyone throw the N-word at you? I thought you were a Paki? ;D Hahahahahahaha!
Dude... It's a good thing I know you're joking. ;)
(Honestly, I don't remember your ethnicity clearly; I'm gettin' old and my memory ain't what it used to be, and after the late '60s it wasn't so great anyway.
It's alright. I'm mixed Carribean, British, Polish (1/2, 1/4, 1/4), although that hasn't stopped me being called 'Paki' as a kid, when it was used as a general insult for anyone who was brown or darker. ::)
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Wise Son on August 24, 2010, 02:49:36 am
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.  



You just don't get it, do you, Kike?  errrr....I mean, Mike!

 :D :D :D :D

Well, Magic, I think the trust that's important any time you make jokes that play on otherwise offensive language is important here. Mike and I have exchanged a lot of personal messages as well as our discussions on the board, and I while we disagree on a load of things, I do trust him not to harbour racist thoughts, so I did interpret his remark through that. Basically, I have built up enough personal trust of Mike to not take that remark at face value, as I know he is not racist towards me, or towards Pakistanis, and is making a satirical remark on a commonly used British racist insult.

That said, of course, Mike should maybe think that not everyone reading this would have the same trust established with him, because they are viewing it in a very different context, and would not have that prism to view it through, so they might very well view it as offensive, without 'having a chip on their shoulder'.

I guess it's the same as the way my girlfriend, her brother and I all make a lot of jokes to each other that would appear horrendously racist on the surface, but we all know that we trust and respect each other, and don't harbour any of those views for real, so we would not make those jokes around other members of our respective families, who don't know us as well (well, her brother might, but that guy has a very... individual approach to social interaction. Cool guy, though.).
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Magic Wand on August 24, 2010, 07:03:51 pm
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.  



You just don't get it, do you, Kike?  errrr....I mean, Mike!

 :D :D :D :D

Well, Magic, I think the trust that's important any time you make jokes that play on otherwise offensive language is important here. Mike and I have exchanged a lot of personal messages as well as our discussions on the board, and I while we disagree on a load of things, I do trust him not to harbour racist thoughts, so I did interpret his remark through that. Basically, I have built up enough personal trust of Mike to not take that remark at face value, as I know he is not racist towards me, or towards Pakistanis, and is making a satirical remark on a commonly used British racist insult.

That said, of course, Mike should maybe think that not everyone reading this would have the same trust established with him, because they are viewing it in a very different context, and would not have that prism to view it through, so they might very well view it as offensive, without 'having a chip on their shoulder'.

I guess it's the same as the way my girlfriend, her brother and I all make a lot of jokes to each other that would appear horrendously racist on the surface, but we all know that we trust and respect each other, and don't harbour any of those views for real, so we would not make those jokes around other members of our respective families, who don't know us as well (well, her brother might, but that guy has a very... individual approach to social interaction. Cool guy, though.).

Thank you for clarifying, Wise.
Title: Re: Dr. Laura Apologizes for Shocking, N-Word Filled Radio Rant
Post by: Wise Son on August 25, 2010, 04:18:42 am
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.  



You just don't get it, do you, Kike?  errrr....I mean, Mike!

 :D :D :D :D

Well, Magic, I think the trust that's important any time you make jokes that play on otherwise offensive language is important here. Mike and I have exchanged a lot of personal messages as well as our discussions on the board, and I while we disagree on a load of things, I do trust him not to harbour racist thoughts, so I did interpret his remark through that. Basically, I have built up enough personal trust of Mike to not take that remark at face value, as I know he is not racist towards me, or towards Pakistanis, and is making a satirical remark on a commonly used British racist insult.

That said, of course, Mike should maybe think that not everyone reading this would have the same trust established with him, because they are viewing it in a very different context, and would not have that prism to view it through, so they might very well view it as offensive, without 'having a chip on their shoulder'.

I guess it's the same as the way my girlfriend, her brother and I all make a lot of jokes to each other that would appear horrendously racist on the surface, but we all know that we trust and respect each other, and don't harbour any of those views for real, so we would not make those jokes around other members of our respective families, who don't know us as well (well, her brother might, but that guy has a very... individual approach to social interaction. Cool guy, though.).

Thank you for clarifying, Wise.

Hey, it's what I'm here for!  ;)