from GAWKER:
"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."
Leave the FCC out of it. Once the FCC gets the ball rolling, they get insane and go over board. And they must have better things to do than to make an example out of someone.Overboard...like fine her exessively, like they did with the Janet Jackson Superbowl business? They don't seem to have anything better to do, so why not actually have them fine the indecent speech of someone who is truly offensive?
Dr. Laura showed that she is an idiot. The best way to show your displeasure is to just turn the channel. The same way you just shouldn't go to Mel Gibson movies.
Honestly, I'm sick of the apologies and the apologists. We know what you are, you know what you are. Say what you said and keep spoon feeding the kooks that listen to you. The only reason any of these folks apologize is because they see dollars leaving their pockets. Say I'm sorry, then all is well. Even if she gets the boot, she'll turn up somewhere else like a bad penny after she goes on the apology world tour.
There's too much greasy, racist and dangerous talk going on about our President and about black folks in general. There's a lack of civil discourse as what should be an exchange of ideas has turned into verbal WWE. I don't care if you disagree with me, but if there is such a thing as "hate speech" she practices it.
from GAWKER:
"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."
This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.
Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.
Leave the FCC out of it. Once the FCC gets the ball rolling, they get insane and go over board. And they must have better things to do than to make an example out of someone.Overboard...like fine her excessively, like they did with the Janet Jackson Superbowl business? They don't seem to have anything better to do, so why not actually have them fine the indecent speech of someone who is truly offensive?
Dr. Laura showed that she is an idiot. The best way to show your displeasure is to just turn the channel. The same way you just shouldn't go to Mel Gibson movies.
There's too much greasy, racist and dangerous talk going on about our President and about black folks in general. There's a lack of civil discourse as what should be an exchange of ideas has turned into verbal WWE. I don't care if you disagree with me, but if there is such a thing as "hate speech" she practices it.
from GAWKER:
"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."
This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.
Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.
I hope it's because she's terminally ill.
She said she's not renewing her contract and leaving her show so she can say whatever she wants without "special interests groups" complaining. She tried to make it clear it was her own decision and basically she took back her fake apology.
Quoted for truth Toyah. One of the reasons I'll always defend so-called Political Correctness is that I see it as being the simple principle of "say what you mean, mean what you say, and take responsibility for both." If you want to call black people 'niggers', go ahead and do it. Knock yourself out. But if people don't like it, take responsibility for the choice you made. If you don't understand why it upsets them, take responsibility for your ignorance and find out why they have reacted that way. If it turns out you made a poor choice in using that word, own up to it, and if you feel you were justified, explain why.from GAWKER:
"If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it's affectionate."
This is a terribad argument in favor of white people calling black people niggers. Listen, it's absolutely legal for white people to call black people niggers so the only thing to argue against is the public backlash from using it. They feel they should be able to say it without proper context and not get any negative reactions.
Please Dr. Laura, define a nigger to me from your perspective. I have a hunch it's not going to be your homeboy.
@Hypestyle: So the FCC has just given up trying to enforce its rules and anybody can just say whatever (including Carlin seven little words) on the air now? Or they just given up taking listener complaints. With the advent of the Shock Jock I could see it being the latter(they'd need a small army for enforcement and investgation at this rate). But I don't know what's going on either.
So I heard/read that Doc Laura's quitting radio. Boo-Hoo.
In what is becoming a nation of whiners, the whinest of all have to be White Conseratives of Doc Laura's ilk.
I had heard she said she wanted to regain her freedom of speech. Nobody took it away from her. It just seems to be news to her that actions have cosequences. I have the absolute right to stand on a streetcorner in Spanish Harlem and yell anti-Hispanic slurs. But I cannot cry about the inevitable end result of such behavior(i.e. an asskicking).
I'm not gonna defend the N-word as I think it has no value. At all. But its not like the brothers are listening on this subject lately.
I have heard Italians of a certain generation call each other "Wop" but just you try it. Gays may call each other gay slurs in an ironic way but if somebody else does it, it's hate speech.
It not that the rules are too hard to understand. It is just that to atempt to undertand the rules(or to learn that there are any in the first place) requires that you actually learn about the world and people around you. And THAT'S the part that is freaking Dr. Laura out. Folks like her think the world revolves around them and thier worldview. One of the worst things you could do to folks like that is let them know they are in error about that.
Like I said. A worthless hypocritical human being.
She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?
Liar.
Oh, and Wise Son. Why would anyone throw the N-word at you? I thought you were a Paki? Grin Hahahahahahaha!
Like I said. A worthless hypocritical human being.
She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?
Liar.
Good to hear of your outrage when some white Leftist, talking with his black activist friends, says that "Clarence Thomas a just a house nigger." I personally agree that such characterizations are offensive. Though I think there may be some of the Left who remain confused. Particularly if anyone else in the group laughs in response to that comment. Keep me posted.
As to the "Whazzup Niggah" greetings, of white nerds trying to sound black, well ... I've little tolerance for that kind of bullcrap either. I'm not sure if any folks are confused on that front ... but some may be. Blame the Media.
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.
If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race. If you're going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, "OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?" Of course there isn't a one-think per se. But in general there's "think."Now for "what do blacks think?" Am I supposed to be some f*cking resident "expert" on black relations? Mang her stupidity is really coming out strong. Another question, what does Obama have anything to with her concerns of her bitch ass husband not saying anything to defend his wife since she feels uncomfortable?
I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.
You just don't get it, do you, Kike? errrr....I mean, Mike!
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The only people I tolerate the word "nigger" from are black. period. My white friends and relatives would never be so idiotic or socially inept as to even get near that word, whatever the circumstance.Like I said. A worthless hypocritical human being.Good to hear of your outrage when some white Leftist, talking with his black activist friends, says that "Clarence Thomas a just a house nigger." I personally agree that such characterizations are offensive. Though I think there may be some of the Left who remain confused. Particularly if anyone else in the group laughs in response to that comment. Keep me posted.
She's "confused" by why it's not socially acceptable for whites to call blacks niggers under any circumstances?
Liar.
As to the "Whazzup Niggah" greetings, of white nerds trying to sound black, well ... I've little tolerance for that kind of bullcrap either. I'm not sure if any folks are confused on that front ... but some may be. Blame the Media.
There is no "we" on this point. There's us, black people, and everybody else. It's not something that is up for debate with anyone outside our ethnic group and the opinions of those outside this group are meaningless. Which is precisely why it bugs so many whites. It's one of the very very very very few things they don't get to coopt (and why would they want to?) or take the sting out of of through repetition. THAT is why it's an issue. They can't stand being meaningless even in this, the most negative context.
Call a black person a nigger while not being black yourself and expect something harsh in return up to and including physical violence. End of story.
Even discussing it with non-blacks is offensive because it implies that we all agree there's something to discuss.
There isn't. Keep off the grass.
Wise Son, I can't disagree with a lot of what you are saying. Sheesh, what's going on here lately? :oYou're starting to recognise the liberal bias of reality. ;)
But for Dr. Laura to assume that about the caller, before getting more specific information, was out of line.And in a way, I'm glad that she did go off on her 'nigger rant', because no one would have made any complaints about those assumptions and their underlying, more pernicious racism without it. I'm glad she lost it, and drew attention to how offensive she was really being.
Dr. Laura did first ask the caller to give a concrete example, and the example the caller gave was pretty ambiguous, not necessarily evidencing objectively offensive conduct.Well, it actually goes back to what you were saying about treating people as individuals. It actually perfectly reflects people making the assumption that an ethnic group are monolithic ("I never knew Black people liked that!" What, you thought that the entire race had a meeting and decided they all hated, say, mayonnaise?), and then compounding it by asking one person to speak for their entire group. It's a pretty typical and annoying situation for minority people.
As to whether this was a disservice to her caller, it really turns on whether she was legit. One would think that if people were really throwing the "N-word" around in an offensive manner, that would be the first thing that "Jade" would give as an example of offensive conduct by her husband's friends and family, instead of what she did initially sayWell, that's one way of looking at it, but you could see it as: She was calling about her husband's friends, and maybe did not want to give the worst examples. Dr Laura immediately went on the attack, accusing her of being hypersensitive and of not having any valid complaints, so I would not be surprised if the caller felt she then had to bring up stuff she might have wanted to avoid.
Funny thing is that I found her "nigger nigger nigger" comment, in reference to hearing that term all the time via Black Media, Music and Celebrities, to be the least objectionable aspect of what she was saying, since what she was observing in that respect was correct, yet that is what got most of the attention. In terms of Media attention, it is all about sound bites. And PC taboos.True, but again, it highlights underlying racist assumptions. It had nothing to do with her caller's situation, but clearly, in Dr Laura's head there is a little section labelled 'Black issues', and once the door to that was open, it just all came pouring out. If you can't talk to a Jew without mentioning the Holocaust, or a black person without mentioning HBO comedians, you have issues.
Oh, and Wise Son. Why would anyone throw the N-word at you? I thought you were a Paki? ;D Hahahahahahaha!Dude... It's a good thing I know you're joking. ;)
(Honestly, I don't remember your ethnicity clearly; I'm gettin' old and my memory ain't what it used to be, and after the late '60s it wasn't so great anyway.It's alright. I'm mixed Carribean, British, Polish (1/2, 1/4, 1/4), although that hasn't stopped me being called 'Paki' as a kid, when it was used as a general insult for anyone who was brown or darker. ::)
Well, Magic, I think the trust that's important any time you make jokes that play on otherwise offensive language is important here. Mike and I have exchanged a lot of personal messages as well as our discussions on the board, and I while we disagree on a load of things, I do trust him not to harbour racist thoughts, so I did interpret his remark through that. Basically, I have built up enough personal trust of Mike to not take that remark at face value, as I know he is not racist towards me, or towards Pakistanis, and is making a satirical remark on a commonly used British racist insult.I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.
You just don't get it, do you, Kike? errrr....I mean, Mike!
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Well, Magic, I think the trust that's important any time you make jokes that play on otherwise offensive language is important here. Mike and I have exchanged a lot of personal messages as well as our discussions on the board, and I while we disagree on a load of things, I do trust him not to harbour racist thoughts, so I did interpret his remark through that. Basically, I have built up enough personal trust of Mike to not take that remark at face value, as I know he is not racist towards me, or towards Pakistanis, and is making a satirical remark on a commonly used British racist insult.I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.
You just don't get it, do you, Kike? errrr....I mean, Mike!
:D :D :D :D
That said, of course, Mike should maybe think that not everyone reading this would have the same trust established with him, because they are viewing it in a very different context, and would not have that prism to view it through, so they might very well view it as offensive, without 'having a chip on their shoulder'.
I guess it's the same as the way my girlfriend, her brother and I all make a lot of jokes to each other that would appear horrendously racist on the surface, but we all know that we trust and respect each other, and don't harbour any of those views for real, so we would not make those jokes around other members of our respective families, who don't know us as well (well, her brother might, but that guy has a very... individual approach to social interaction. Cool guy, though.).
Hey, it's what I'm here for! ;)Well, Magic, I think the trust that's important any time you make jokes that play on otherwise offensive language is important here. Mike and I have exchanged a lot of personal messages as well as our discussions on the board, and I while we disagree on a load of things, I do trust him not to harbour racist thoughts, so I did interpret his remark through that. Basically, I have built up enough personal trust of Mike to not take that remark at face value, as I know he is not racist towards me, or towards Pakistanis, and is making a satirical remark on a commonly used British racist insult.I'm waiting to hear not from you, but from Wise Son. The issue is to what extent people can maintain a sense of humor ... or not.
You just don't get it, do you, Kike? errrr....I mean, Mike!
:D :D :D :D
That said, of course, Mike should maybe think that not everyone reading this would have the same trust established with him, because they are viewing it in a very different context, and would not have that prism to view it through, so they might very well view it as offensive, without 'having a chip on their shoulder'.
I guess it's the same as the way my girlfriend, her brother and I all make a lot of jokes to each other that would appear horrendously racist on the surface, but we all know that we trust and respect each other, and don't harbour any of those views for real, so we would not make those jokes around other members of our respective families, who don't know us as well (well, her brother might, but that guy has a very... individual approach to social interaction. Cool guy, though.).
Thank you for clarifying, Wise.