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Title: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on August 17, 2010, 08:05:50 pm
The Co-opting of the Black struggle is not a new phenomenon but I find myself even more disgusted at its reality every time it is re-used.

I watched The Ed Show and Larry King tonight and of course both programs had people comparing gay marriage to the struggles of Blacks in the Civil rights movement.

The fact that gay marriage involves the redefining of the most fundamental institution in human existence didn't come up as an issue for these pathetic sophists. A simple recognition of this fact would've prevented these gay marriage advocates from comparing anti-miscegentaion laws to prop 8. A Black man IS a man and a White Woman IS a woman, any union between the 2 would fit the definition of marriage since the covenant was created.

What I find particularly disturbing is when Black people themselves become a focal point in the co-opting of the struggle. Kamala Harris took this role on Larry King tonight. Her incessant claims that not only was Gay marriage a civil rights issue comprable to those affecting Blacks, but that it also was a constitutional issue.

If the injsutice involved in the denial of gay marraige were so self-evident; the need for connecting it to the Black civil rights struggle would be non-existant.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 18, 2010, 05:53:18 am
That is why at times I find that sh*t stupid. No "discrimation" is greater than the next.
For some magical reason gay discrimination doesnt equate:

The Irish community in the past
The Japanese Community during WW2
native american community in the past
the jewish community in the past
currently the arab,middle eastern community
Women
Individuals of the Muslim Faith
Even the pedophile/sex offenders


Why gay marriage is similar to the "black struggle" but not similar to the others? It is just as stupid comparing mutants to blacks in comics. If I'm not mistaken blacks could get married to each other even during the "good ole days". I must have missed the "gays only water fountain" or the fact that "gays couldn't vote".  Do I support them to get married? Yes go ahead it doesnt bother me at all. But what bothers me is the assinine comparison of blacks and gays for the simple notion that "they can't get married" I mean that is it? That is your argument? Are you sh*tting me?
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 18, 2010, 06:46:26 am
But what bothers me is the assinine comparison of blacks and gays for the simple notion that "they can't get married" I mean that is it? That is your argument? Are you sh*tting me?



I think comparison is that both have been discriminated against.  The black civil rights movement is the most famous struggle in American history so it only makes sense for them to use that for many of their arguments.  Aren't civil unions just an example of separate but equal, something that I'd think that supporters of the civil rights movement could understand?

Rather than being pissed at the "co-opting of the black struggle" I would think it makes more since to say "I've been discriminated against because of who I am; it's wrong and to see that happen to anyone else is a travesty."  Just like how racists are allowed to be disgusted with "lesser races and religions," they have to suck it up because discrimination of any kind should be abolished in this country.  You don't have to think gay marriage is appropriate or correct, but personal beliefs shouldn't be part of the equation.  The point should be that all people in a committed relationship who love each other should be afforded the same right, regardless of gender.

BTW - I am not going to speak on this because truthfully I am not educated on the case.  However a gay coworker of mine pointed me to this case, Loving v Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia), a case where civil rights and marriage are very much an issue.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Vic Vega on August 18, 2010, 08:36:46 am
Loving v. Virgina is very much on topic here.

Either persons of age can enter into legal contracts (and that's all marriage is in the eyes of the law) with each other or they can't.
If others can and you cannot you are effectively a second class citizen.

There's no need to enter into the oppression Olympics to discern the good here.

If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too. 
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Kristopher on August 18, 2010, 10:00:51 am
If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too.  

Somebody please pass this on to the living relatives of Emmett Till.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 18, 2010, 10:05:08 am
Loving v. Virgina is very much on topic here.

Either persons of age can enter into legal contracts (and that's all marriage is in the eyes of the law) with each other or they can't.
If others can and you cannot you are effectively a second class citizen.

There's no need to enter into the oppression Olympics to discern the good here.

If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too.  
It isn't offensive but it is silly. What makes the Gay Civil Right equate black civil rights and not women, arabs, pedos or anyone else that have civil rights issues is my point. So many have the blind mantra just flat out say "our rights are taken away like black people" Each discrimination that exist are different from each other and very unique from one another as well. Pedos have a problem to get a job or proper housing (in a way they "appear" to equate blacks but they dont) There is no equal discrimination nor one that is greater than the next.



Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Vic Vega on August 18, 2010, 10:43:37 am
If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too.  

Somebody please pass this on to the living relatives of Emmett Till.

Ever heard of Brandon Teena?

We don't have the monopoly on being Hate Crime victims either.

Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 18, 2010, 10:51:15 am
Pedos have a problem to get a job or proper housing (in a way they "appear" to equate blacks but they dont) There is no equal discrimination nor one that is greater than the next.

Pedophiles face these issues for what they've done, not for who they are.  It is not illegal to lust after children, it is illegal to act on that desire.  That takes them out of this argument, where the others are descriminated against for who they are. 
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Magic Wand on August 18, 2010, 10:56:13 am
There is no equal discrimination nor one that is greater than the next.


Hmmmmm....
The comparison is so ridiculous that I find it INSULTING.
No one has to know that I am gay unless I TELL them or act out in some overtly gay way.
I can act like a white man all millenium and ain't nobody gonna ever wonder whether I am or not.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Magic Wand on August 18, 2010, 10:57:40 am
Pedos have a problem to get a job or proper housing (in a way they "appear" to equate blacks but they dont) There is no equal discrimination nor one that is greater than the next.

Pedophiles face these issues for what they've done, not for who they are.  It is not illegal to lust after children, it is illegal to act on that desire.  That takes them out of this argument, where the others are descriminated against for who they are. 

AGREED!
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 18, 2010, 11:48:26 am
No one has to know that I am gay unless I TELL them or act out in some overtly gay way.

But Wandi, in some cases couldn't acting "in some overtly gay way" also be considered acting like themselves?  If so, they then have to pretend to be/act like someone else just to be accepted.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Kristopher on August 18, 2010, 11:57:05 am
If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too.  

Somebody please pass this on to the living relatives of Emmett Till.

Ever heard of Brandon Teena?

We don't have the monopoly on being Hate Crime victims either.

Never heard the name. Maybe I'll look it up once I get through the THOUSANDS of Black Men, Women and Children who brutally murdered following a Civil War that supposedly freed them or the millions of Blacks who were subjected to almost 100 years of State sanctioned discrimination, reinforced by public and private TERRORISM. So, yeah MAYBE I'll look up "Brandon Teena".  You ever heard of "Sam Mosby"? Bet you haven't, and why should you? He was my Great Grandfather, just another Southern n¡gger murdered by whites in front of his family because he got too "uppity".
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Magic Wand on August 18, 2010, 12:10:10 pm
No one has to know that I am gay unless I TELL them or act out in some overtly gay way.

But Wandi, in some cases couldn't acting "in some overtly gay way" also be considered acting like themselves?  If so, they then have to pretend to be/act like someone else just to be accepted.


Jesse,
My point is:  I cannot equate discrimination against gays to racial or sexual discrimination.
Maybe religious discrimination (because that doesn't have to be worn on the sleeve (or head))
But institutionalized racism against a whole race of CITIZENS is in no way equal to what gay people bring upon themselves in the United States of America.

Just so you're clear, I am not gay.  But I semi-empathize with homosexuals because I do NOT believe they choose to be gay.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 18, 2010, 12:27:22 pm
I'm not really sure what folks are arguing about here. It seems pretty clear that there are some similarities and some differences between now and 50 years ago. That is to say, making comparisons seems reasonable; "equating" the two doesn't.

That said, civil rights are for everybody. Does everybody remember this?

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Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

– “Letter from Birmingham Jail ([url]http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html[/url]),” 16 Apr. 1963
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Vic Vega on August 18, 2010, 12:31:41 pm
If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too.  

Somebody please pass this on to the living relatives of Emmett Till.

Ever heard of Brandon Teena?

We don't have the monopoly on being Hate Crime victims either.

Never heard the name. Maybe I'll look it up once I get through the THOUSANDS of Black Men, Women and Children who brutally murdered following a Civil War that supposedly freed them or the millions of Blacks who were subjected to almost 100 years of State sanctioned discrimination, reinforced by public and private TERRORISM. So, yeah MAYBE I'll look up "Brandon Teena".  You ever heard of "Sam Mosby"? Bet you haven't, and why should you? He was my Great Grandfather, just another Southern n¡gger murdered by whites in front of his family because he got too "uppity".

I could bring up similar stories from my own family but what's the point? It doesn't change the facts. Discrimination is Discrimination. Hate crime is Hate Crime. The "who has/had it worst argument" is irrelevent.

If you are pro-civil rights then you have to be against ALL discrimination, not just when it happens to the folks you are down with.

Otherwise just say, "I'm only against bad stuff happening to me and mine and eff everybody else".

Which is fine.    

But know you are abdicating the moral high ground.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 18, 2010, 12:55:30 pm
Just so you're clear, I am not gay.  But I semi-empathize with homosexuals because I do NOT believe they choose to be gay.[/color]

I'd still love you either way   :-*
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Cage on August 18, 2010, 10:24:02 pm
I'm not really sure what folks are arguing about here. It seems pretty clear that there are some similarities and some differences between now and 50 years ago. That is to say, making comparisons seems reasonable; "equating" the two doesn't.

That said, civil rights are for everybody. Does everybody remember this?

Quote
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

– “Letter from Birmingham Jail ([url]http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html[/url]),” 16 Apr. 1963



Co-Sign
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Cage on August 18, 2010, 10:24:29 pm
If Black Folk find the Gay Civil Rights Struggles=Black Civil Rights Struggles concept so offensive they need to tell their church folk to stop dragging out that whole tired "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" mantra out too.  

Somebody please pass this on to the living relatives of Emmett Till.

Ever heard of Brandon Teena?

Cc-Sign again.

We don't have the monopoly on being Hate Crime victims either.

Never heard the name. Maybe I'll look it up once I get through the THOUSANDS of Black Men, Women and Children who brutally murdered following a Civil War that supposedly freed them or the millions of Blacks who were subjected to almost 100 years of State sanctioned discrimination, reinforced by public and private TERRORISM. So, yeah MAYBE I'll look up "Brandon Teena".  You ever heard of "Sam Mosby"? Bet you haven't, and why should you? He was my Great Grandfather, just another Southern n¡gger murdered by whites in front of his family because he got too "uppity".

I could bring up similar stories from my own family but what's the point? It doesn't change the facts. Discrimination is Discrimination. Hate crime is Hate Crime. The "who has/had it worst argument" is irrelevent.

If you are pro-civil rights then you have to be against ALL discrimination, not just when it happens to the folks you are down with.

Otherwise just say, "I'm only against bad stuff happening to me and mine and eff everybody else".

Which is fine.    

But know you are abdicating the moral high ground.

Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: jefferson L.O.B. sergeant on August 18, 2010, 11:45:45 pm
I'm not really sure what folks are arguing about here. It seems pretty clear that there are some similarities and some differences between now and 50 years ago. That is to say, making comparisons seems reasonable; "equating" the two doesn't.

That said, civil rights are for everybody. Does everybody remember this?

Quote
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

– “Letter from Birmingham Jail ([url]http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html[/url]),” 16 Apr. 1963



Co-Sign



What exactly are you co-signing here?

I've watched numerous debates where gay advocates were explicitly offered full rights in the form of civil unions and they stated they would refuse them. They want a complete redefining of the institution of marriage.

How can it be an issue of discrimination where equal rights are being offered and yet refused by the supposedly aggreaved party?
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 19, 2010, 05:33:34 am
I'm not really sure what folks are arguing about here. It seems pretty clear that there are some similarities and some differences between now and 50 years ago. That is to say, making comparisons seems reasonable; "equating" the two doesn't.

That said, civil rights are for everybody. Does everybody remember this?

Quote
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

– “Letter from Birmingham Jail ([url]http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html[/url]),” 16 Apr. 1963



Co-Sign



What exactly are you co-signing here?

I've watched numerous debates where gay advocates were explicitly offered full rights in the form of civil unions and they stated they would refuse them. They want a complete redefining of the institution of marriage.

How can it be an issue of discrimination where equal rights are being offered and yet refused by the supposedly aggreaved party?

As someone pointed out earlier, "Separate but equal" is a point of comparison.
If civil union is exactly like marriage except for the name, why do we need a new name? To offer a semantic fig leaf?

Not that it really matters. This is a question of when, not if. 
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Kristopher on August 19, 2010, 06:18:46 am
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Hate crime is Hate Crime.
Never stated otherwise.

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The "who has/had it worst argument" is irrelevent.
That depends on the situation.
I remember last year when a co-worker got a flu shot that, according to her, HURT. She than told me (knowing full well that I've taken thousands of insulin shots 2-3 times a day since 1976) she understands what I go thru. Sorry, then, like now, I have to call BULLSH¡T!

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If you are pro-civil rights then you have to be against ALL discrimination, not just when it happens to the folks you are down with.
I believe in equal rights for everyone, what I have problems with is people making historically inaccurate comparisons!

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Otherwise just say, "I'm only against bad stuff happening to me and mine and eff everybody else".

Which is fine.   

But know you are abdicating the moral high ground.

Too many black folk spend their lives ignoring issues that affect them the most and advocate and take care of other people. I’m not one of them. I’m not going to run and put out the fire next door until I get the one in my house under control, because 200 years of being white folks' pets, followed by 100 years of oppression in the South and discrimination in the North hasn't been wiped away by a measly 4 and a half decades of half hearted remediations and 1 Presidential election.

Frankly, I’m surprised Gays haven’t closed the deal on this marriage thing by now. Let's be real, all the hard work has been done by the courageous freedom fighters of the past that put their very lives on the line to get “Civil Rights”. As BMore Akuma alluded to, there were no state sanctions/restrictions placed on Gays that would justify their “plight” being compared to the terror faced by Blacks, the imprisonment faced by Japanese, the suffrage of Women, etc. Today, Gays are ingrained in every aspect of this society, largely due to the hard work of others AFTER the blood had been spilled; they got to reap the benefits. Only now they have a fight that affects them only and they don’t know how to get down. If they want their “Rights”, then by ALL means,  they should follow the example of the group they want to compare themselves with draw a line in the sand and go fight for those rights. Boycotts, March, mass demonstrations nationwide, get locked up, etc. The blueprint has been laid out for a long time now, all they have to do is gather their guts and pull the trigger. Nothing worth having comes easy or without a REAL fight. And just think, they don’t have to worry about police dogs, fire hoses and Bull Connor.



Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Vic Vega on August 19, 2010, 08:47:19 am
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Too many black folk spend their lives ignoring issues that affect them the most and advocate and take care of other people. I’m not one of them. I’m not going to run and put out the fire next door until I get the one in my house under control, because 200 years of being white folks' pets, followed by 100 years of oppression in the South and discrimination in the North hasn't been wiped away by a measly 4 and a half decades of half hearted remediations and 1 Presidential election.

Frankly, I’m surprised Gays haven’t closed the deal on this marriage thing by now. Let's be real, all the hard work has been done by the courageous freedom fighters of the past that put their very lives on the line to get “Civil Rights”. As BMore Akuma alluded to, there were no state sanctions/restrictions placed on Gays that would justify their “plight” being compared to the terror faced by Blacks, the imprisonment faced by Japanese, the suffrage of Women, etc. Today, Gays are ingrained in every aspect of this society, largely due to the hard work of others AFTER the blood had been spilled; they got to reap the benefits. Only now they have a fight that affects them only and they don’t know how to get down. If they want their “Rights”, then by ALL means,  they should follow the example of the group they want to compare themselves with draw a line in the sand and go fight for those rights. Boycotts, March, mass demonstrations nationwide, get locked up, etc. The blueprint has been laid out for a long time now, all they have to do is gather their guts and pull the trigger. Nothing worth having comes easy or without a REAL fight. And just think, they don’t have to worry about police dogs, fire hoses and Bull Connor.

The folks who got thier heads busted in at Stonewall or during the White Night Riots might disagree with you. Not to mention the surviving relatives of Harvel Milk or George Moscone.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 19, 2010, 10:24:47 am


The folks who got thier heads busted in at Stonewall or during the White Night Riots might disagree with you. Not to mention the surviving relatives of Harvel Milk or George Moscone.

With the power of google i read up on this. Wow I had no idea. How come it isnt "out there" as much in comparison to the other riots that occured? I could be mistaken as well and maybe GLAAD brings it up. But honestly I was so ignorant of it. I can understand it was under the radar since there were many other civil rights movements as well.

Here is a goodie about the riots

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a secret legion of people, known of but discounted, ignored, laughed at or despised. And like the holders of a secret, they had an advantage which was a disadvantage, too, and which was true of no other minority group in the United States. They were invisible. Unlike African Americans, women, Native Americans, Jews, the Irish, Italians, Asians, Hispanics, or any other cultural group which struggled for respect and equal rights, homosexuals had no physical or cultural markings, no language or dialect which could identify them to each other, or to anyone else ... But that night, for the first time, the usual acquiescence turned into violent resistance ... From that night the lives of millions of gay men and lesbians, and the attitude toward them of the larger culture in which they lived, began to change rapidly. People began to appear in public as homosexuals, demanding respect
I wanted to point this out and it should be clear.

Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Kristopher on August 19, 2010, 12:03:29 pm
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Too many black folk spend their lives ignoring issues that affect them the most and advocate and take care of other people. I’m not one of them. I’m not going to run and put out the fire next door until I get the one in my house under control, because 200 years of being white folks' pets, followed by 100 years of oppression in the South and discrimination in the North hasn't been wiped away by a measly 4 and a half decades of half hearted remediations and 1 Presidential election.

Frankly, I’m surprised Gays haven’t closed the deal on this marriage thing by now. Let's be real, all the hard work has been done by the courageous freedom fighters of the past that put their very lives on the line to get “Civil Rights”. As BMore Akuma alluded to, there were no state sanctions/restrictions placed on Gays that would justify their “plight” being compared to the terror faced by Blacks, the imprisonment faced by Japanese, the suffrage of Women, etc. Today, Gays are ingrained in every aspect of this society, largely due to the hard work of others AFTER the blood had been spilled; they got to reap the benefits. Only now they have a fight that affects them only and they don’t know how to get down. If they want their “Rights”, then by ALL means,  they should follow the example of the group they want to compare themselves with draw a line in the sand and go fight for those rights. Boycotts, March, mass demonstrations nationwide, get locked up, etc. The blueprint has been laid out for a long time now, all they have to do is gather their guts and pull the trigger. Nothing worth having comes easy or without a REAL fight. And just think, they don’t have to worry about police dogs, fire hoses and Bull Connor.



The folks who got thier heads busted in at Stonewall or during the White Night Riots might disagree with you. Not to mention the surviving relatives of Harvel Milk or George Moscone.

I stand corrected.
1 or 2 flu shots=20,000 insulin shots. No difference, it's all the same ::)
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Kristopher on August 19, 2010, 12:08:19 pm
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Hate crime is Hate Crime.
Never stated otherwise.

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The "who has/had it worst argument" is irrelevent.
That depends on the situation.
I remember last year when a co-worker got a flu shot that, according to her, HURT. She than told me (knowing full well that I've taken thousands of insulin shots 2-3 times a day since 1976) she understands what I go thru. Sorry, then, like now, I have to call BULLSH¡T!


Oops, my bad.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Afro Samurai on August 19, 2010, 12:23:31 pm
*Sigh* I am tired of azns, arabs, gays etc. comparing their problems to black ppl. Fact is, gay were accepted during ancient greek time.....black has never been accepted by other. Blacks has been enslaved & hated on by azns, arabs, gay, etc.......the same ppl who are now bitching about equal rights.

There is even a big thing about white gays hating on black gays.....wtf@that. Black ppl have it the worst & gay need to stfu about gay being the "new black." Cause you can hide being gay. Also white gays are accepted more then hetro blacks. Blacks cant leave wars, but gays can (well it used to be that way, I don't know now). So they really bitchin for nothing.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: TripleX on August 19, 2010, 07:59:11 pm
How do you hide being gay? As soon as your friends, neighbors, co-workers etc. notice there's no woman in your life and that you have no children the cats outta the bag. You'd have to constantly put up a MASSIVE front and make being a liar a full time job. You'd also have to drag some naive, unsuspecting woman into the mix to cover for you. Then you'd not only be gay, you'd be a selfish, down low, @sshole too.

It must be awful standing on the wrong side of history. Y'all must feel like Archie Bunker. lol The homophobes are just gonna have to die off before the gays can live freely. It's happening sooner rather than later, get your burial plots ready.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Wise Son on August 20, 2010, 02:31:19 am
I'm not really sure what folks are arguing about here. It seems pretty clear that there are some similarities and some differences between now and 50 years ago. That is to say, making comparisons seems reasonable; "equating" the two doesn't.

That said, civil rights are for everybody. Does everybody remember this?

Quote
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

– “Letter from Birmingham Jail ([url]http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html[/url]),” 16 Apr. 1963


Like Cage, I have to co-sign. The gay struggle has similarities and big differences the black struggle, but it is an injustice, and a denial of equal civil rights, and as so, should be supported, because of what your quote says - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Kristopher on August 20, 2010, 05:06:02 am
It must be awful standing on the wrong side of history. Y'all must feel like Archie Bunker. lol The homophobes are just gonna have to die off before the gays can live freely. It's happening sooner rather than later, get your burial plots ready.

If they want their “Rights”, then by ALL means,  they should follow the example of the group they want to compare themselves with draw a line in the sand and go fight for those rights. Boycotts, March, mass demonstrations nationwide, get locked up, etc. The blueprint has been laid out for a long time now, all they have to do is gather their guts and pull the trigger. Nothing worth having comes easy or without a REAL fight. And just think, they don’t have to worry about police dogs, fire hoses and Bull Connor.
Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: TripleX on August 20, 2010, 07:19:51 am
If they want their “Rights”, then by ALL means,  they should follow the example of the group they want to compare themselves with draw a line in the sand and go fight for those rights. Boycotts, March, mass demonstrations nationwide, get locked up, etc. The blueprint has been laid out for a long time now, all they have to do is gather their guts and pull the trigger. Nothing worth having comes easy or without a REAL fight. And just think, they don’t have to worry about police dogs, fire hoses and Bull Connor.

Dats wassup bruh, we agree on something. I can't argue with none of that.

Title: Re: The Co-Opting of the Black struggle
Post by: Hypestyle on August 20, 2010, 10:08:01 am
interesting.. back in April of this year, locally, there was a public forum addressing these and similar issues, with an all-black panel..
http://tinyurl.com/34m7n92

to summarize, all panelists concurred in their own way that the g*y/black parallel is imperfect, and the priorities of Caucasian LGBT activists (college-educated, relatively affluent) folk don't automatically connect with the priorities of LGBT folks of color (i.e., 'marriage'); also mentioned were that 'mainstream' (defacto white-run) LGBT nonprofit organizations (such as Triangle, who typically have little issues with fundraising) offer little in the way of outreach of services to urban/minority communities, and typically have little if any minority leadership, and generally don't collaborate with minority-run LGBT support groups (who, in comparison, typically have threadbare budgets).. other topics that came up included reaching out to churches/faith community for dialogue workshops, information sessions and more..