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Title: Look what I found...
Post by: Toya on November 12, 2006, 10:45:43 am
...while I was perusing the Bet Website.

http://www.bet.com/News/troublewithbeingmyselfpackage.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished

Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 12, 2006, 11:50:11 am
wow definatly a heffa board member. good stuff to.  oh on the rkelly stuff, damn you are so right, but damn that ni**a can make some good music. :D :'(. 6 plat since the pissing incident. wow. i really don't see r kelly going down for this. the world just don't value black girls. now if kells start pissing on white girls, it's a wrap.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Toya on November 18, 2006, 05:39:11 pm
Personally I hope he gets jail time. I mean c'mon, black men get thrown in jail just for having a canabis leaf at the bottom of their shoe. :D
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Redjack on November 18, 2006, 05:47:51 pm
Well.

According to his sales, black people don't value black girls either. Or hold their entertainers to any standard whatsoever.

No boycott in effect. No mobs of angry citizens demanding justice or, at the very least, straight answers. Nah. You can bump to it so let the boy roll on.

Pathetic.


You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 05:55:50 pm
To be fair, Redjack, Roman Polanski got a standing ovation when he won an Oscar a few years back, and Gary Glitter's songs are still played at stadiums everywhere. Elvis is still hailed as a genius; so is Jerry Lee Lewis. But I hold my people to higher standards. I could see it if R. Kelly's problems were ignored, a la Marvin Gaye. But this dude is practically CELEBRATED for being a pedophile - and seeing that he's not it to hold Marvin's socks, I don't see why. I mean, the man is terrible. TERRIBLE. What am I missing!?

(Weird thing about Marvin: more people had a problem with the fact that his woman was mixed, not that she was in high school. Check out old issues of Ebony and Jet and he's just parading her around like she's not 17 and he's not married. Strange.)
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Redjack on November 18, 2006, 06:09:24 pm
I hold black people to a higher standard than whites.

We're supposed to know better.

Polanski is a scumbag, no question and I haven't seen one of his films since I found out about the pedo crap. never will again. Ditto Woody Allen. Jerry Lee Lewis married his undeage girl and remained married to her for decades. As messed up as that may have been, it seems like true love to me.

All I know about Marvin Gaye IS his music. I knew he was a player but I never knew he got down like that. Elvis? I'm  with PE on that guy.

I don't think R. Kelly's blackness should get him a pass on anything. It makes the rest of us look bad when so many wink and continue to embrace him.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 06:16:19 pm
Jerry Lee Lewis married his undeage girl and remained married to her for decades. As messed up as that may have been, it seems like true love to me.


Yeah, but...she was 13. I don't consider him a pedo like the rest, but...13, y'know? And...13. Did I mention 13?

Marvin gets a pass too, but that's because I'm a raging hypocrite. He made "What's Going On" and sired Nona Gaye; f*ck all y'all.  ;D Actually, I think my slant comes from the fact that I was in the Army at 17, so I can't get too up in arms about his 17-year-old girlfriend who became his wife. Now his first babymama being 15 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Farticles%2FA50885-2004Jun17.html&ei=Bb5fReaoE43QoAKCnP2bCA&usg=___V8XL5-aiQpKDwnx-pI5z-XZdf4=&sig2=iMDv2MOkpLw-BifajM9Hhg)? I got nothin' on that.

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I don't think R. Kelly's blackness should get him a pass on anything. It makes the rest of us look bad when so many wink and continue to embrace him.


Real talk. It's EMBARRASSING, and it tells the world - and our girls - that they're not worthy enough to be protected and made a fuss over. For all the talk people have about BET and the message it sends to "the chirrun", I'd argue that this message is much more damaging.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Open palm on November 18, 2006, 06:23:32 pm
It's strange. For some reason the news I got here on the case never mentioned the girl being underage. And since there's been little exposure for years I figured it wasn't a big thing. But now I wonder what the helll is going on. Long ago Errol Flynn got into similar trouble but it was revealed his moll was only dressed up to look underage. In R.Kelly's case the police have video evidence of an underage girl. What is up? On the Derek Luke show a white guest called R.Kelly a pedophile and the black guests just looked at him like he spoke heresy!  :-\
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 06:35:30 pm
It's strange. For some reason the news I got here on the case never mentioned the girl being underage.

Not to sound like a jerk, but where do you live? (Or are you not talking about R. Kelly?) The entire case is about the girl being underage; if they can't prove that she was a minor, he'll walk.

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On the Derek Luke show a white guest called R.Kelly a pedophile and the black guests just looked at him like he spoke heresy!  :-\

BET cut out the part where I mentioned some of the excuses that I have PERSONALLY heard from black people. (Actually, they cut about 1/3 of the whole column.) I kid you not when I say that I went natural because my beautician was saying that "R. Kelly was just doing what any man would do", and I knew that I couldn't cuss her out AND let her give me a perm.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 06:36:55 pm
you have to be able to compartmentalise to a degree. rkelly is a rnb music geniuse and SOME of his music was some of the best "bedroom" bangers when i was in college but I agree as someone who has worked with abused females he must pay for his crimes. he is sick. he needs treatment and help. don't get it twisted society and probably a past similar to the girls he favor is in the r's background. probably some of the girls he has been with don't consider themselves his victoms even though they are. he will get away with this because a juror isn't going to send any man away let alone a famous one who sexed a girl who was 14 who looked 21 who is 21 know and does not consider what happened to her a crime. if you disagree disagree but this is what i do for a living. you dont want to know the truth.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 06:40:54 pm
rkelly is a rnb music geniuse

No, he's not.

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and SOME of his music was some of the best "bedroom" bangers when i was in college

No, they weren't.

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he will get away with this because a juror isn't going to send any man away let alone a famous one who sexed a girl who was 14 who looked 21

From what I understand, the girl in the tape is clearly in her teens. I hear they're going to show the tape in court, too.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Open palm on November 18, 2006, 06:46:36 pm
It's strange. For some reason the news I got here on the case never mentioned the girl being underage.

Not to sound like a jerk, but where do you live? (Or are you not talking about R. Kelly?) The entire case is about the girl being underage; if they can't prove that she was a minor, he'll walk.

I live overseas, remember? In the Philippines. But why hasn't the American legal system made faster progress in this case? It's not Belgium, ya know?  >:(

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On the Derek Luke show a white guest called R.Kelly a pedophile and the black guests just looked at him like he spoke heresy!  :-\

BET cut out the part where I mentioned some of the excuses that I have PERSONALLY heard from black people. (Actually, they cut about 1/3 of the whole column.) I kid you not when I say that I went natural because my beautician was saying that "R. Kelly was just doing what any man would do", and I knew that I couldn't cuss her out AND let her give me a perm.

J. Zeus Cripes! Wierdo Michael Jackson got crucified. But there still wasn't hard evidence. R.Kelly is caught on tape pissing on a girl! What is wrong with people?!
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 06:47:29 pm
rkelly is a rnb music geniuse

No, he's not.

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and SOME of his music was some of the best "bedroom" bangers when i was in college

No, they weren't.

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he will get away with this because a juror isn't going to send any man away let alone a famous one who sexed a girl who was 14 who looked 21

From what I understand, the girl in the tape is clearly in her teens. I hear they're going to show the tape in court, too.
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lol i guess that depends on your situation doesn't it. speak to my lady fan or not 12 play she could tell you 12 diffrent ways ahem...i have said enough but anyway sure rnb artist could be a little more subtle with the lyrics as the artist from back in the day but come on some of the top bed room music from back in the day included lets get it on. how hard does the imagination has to work for that. plus when the r was doing his thing i was the man at the step shows :D now my old ass is like the dude from coming to america... that brother is good. and every body else is like what a soul dog. to this day i bump all of melvin riley and the ready for the world cataloug. :D
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 06:50:43 pm
I live overseas, remember? In the Philippines.

Ahhhhhh, gotcha! For some reason, I never knew that.

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But why hasn't the American legal system made faster progress in this case? It's not Belgium, ya know?  >:(

Honestly, I don't know. There's a problem with the fact that the girl and her family say it's not her. Word on the street is that they've been paid off handsomely. Most of the charges were dropped; I think the only ones that are left are the child porn charges. So he's not being changed with having sex with a minor...only with filming her. Why? Because he says that's not him in the tape. OMG HE SEZ ITS NOT HIM SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!11

As for Michael, he was allegedly molesting WHITE kids. Can't have that!
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 06:54:46 pm
It's strange. For some reason the news I got here on the case never mentioned the girl being underage.

Not to sound like a jerk, but where do you live? (Or are you not talking about R. Kelly?) The entire case is about the girl being underage; if they can't prove that she was a minor, he'll walk.

I live overseas, remember? In the Philippines. But why hasn't the American legal system made faster progress in this case? It's not Belgium, ya know?  >:(

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On the Derek Luke show a white guest called R.Kelly a pedophile and the black guests just looked at him like he spoke heresy!  :-\

BET cut out the part where I mentioned some of the excuses that I have PERSONALLY heard from black people. (Actually, they cut about 1/3 of the whole column.) I kid you not when I say that I went natural because my beautician was saying that "R. Kelly was just doing what any man would do", and I knew that I couldn't cuss her out AND let her give me a perm.
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J. Zeus Cripes! Wierdo Michael Jackson got crucified. But there still wasn't hard evidence. R.Kelly is caught on tape pissing on a girl! What is wrong with people?!
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don't beat yourself up bro. from a country that has the pagents like jon benet paticipated in and the rap video hos (that i lust after like every one else) pose as the role model for our young ladies. I am so glad that i did not have a little girl despit wanting one. just knowing the enviroment she would grow up in. i have climbed through a few windows back in the day so i figured i would have karma come back at me. kells is sick. he needs treatment but don't get it twisted just as guilty he is american culture and it treatment of its women is just as guilty. it is so complicated every women want to know that they are considerd beutiful but wants to be respected for so much more. if jenn was to honestly respond to what she would want more a diamond or a book she would pick the diamond and what she would want her dream man to say about her oh she is soo smart or she is so beutiful. i don't know her like that but if i know what is true for most women is that they would pick the diamond and the beuty compliment. just my 3 cents/
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 07:01:50 pm
if jenn was to honestly respond to what she would want more a diamond or a book she would pick the diamond and what she would want her dream man to say about her oh she is soo smart or she is so beutiful. i don't know her like that but if i know what is true for most women is that they would pick the diamond and the beuty compliment. just my 3 cents/

Go to Hell. I would never wear a diamond in my life - not while so many of our African brothers and sisters are DYING because of that blood trade.

Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 07:09:54 pm
the diamond was figurative ::). a rose then. a hallmark card. go in the 3rd dimension with me. youngins.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 07:24:37 pm
Zulu, Substitute "woman" for "black" and "roses" for "chicken" and you'd be just as offended. Some of us just aren't in to any of that. I broke up with my last BF because he bought me roses and chocolates on Valentine's Day. Why? Because I hate roses (and I despise chocolate), and we'd been together long enough for him to know that. Had he gone to the corner store and gotten me these 3 for $10 lavender flowers, he would've gotten some head. (I'd made a passing comment about them once while we were shopping; they would've matched my bedroom's color scheme.) The fact that he got me the roses showed me that he didn't see me for me, but me for a cookie-cutter woman. "Oh, women love roses and candy!" Mind you, I'm not trying to say you have to know what kind of flowers I like or anything. What I'm saying is that people who know me know that's not my thing, and any man who claims to love me would know not to buy me roses - and definitely not chocolate. And he CERTAINLY wouldn't insult me with a diamond.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 07:34:10 pm
ahh. see what im saying is that a women would choose to be wined and dined or to be paid attention to as opposed to be taken for granted. what ever the form of the gift the message that YOU are the all and end all is what women go for. every lady i ever been with hated flowers. lol too much pressure and the sight of them dying within a week aint a good look for a symbol of your "love" jokers got to think about that sh(t before sending flowers. the one time i did make a home run when sending flowers my lady lived out of town and she was amazed about the hassele i had to go through to send the flowers and i sent them when all of the no man having but got plenty of advice women at ther job was at work. so she was like very thankful lol. one time in college i was broke as hell and wondering what the hell i was going to do for valentine day. i went to a trophy shop spent 15 bucks on a big ass trophy and called it the best girlfriend of the year award. yep yep creativity goes a long way.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: zulu801 on November 18, 2006, 07:34:32 pm
Zulu, Substitute "woman" for "black" and "roses" for "chicken" and you'd be just as offended. Some of us just aren't in to any of that. I broke up with my last BF because he bought me roses and chocolates on Valentine's Day. Why? Because I hate roses (and I despise chocolate), and we'd been together long enough for him to know that. Had he gone to the corner store and gotten me these 3 for $10 lavender flowers, he would've gotten some head. (I'd made a passing comment about them once while we were shopping; they would've matched my bedroom's color scheme.) The fact that he got me the roses showed me that he didn't see me for me, but me for a cookie-cutter woman. "Oh, women love roses and candy!" Mind you, I'm not trying to say you have to know what kind of flowers I like or anything. What I'm saying is that people who know me know that's not my thing, and any man who claims to love me would know not to buy me roses - and certainly not chocolate.

3 4 $10 flowers would have gotten.......  *eyebrow raised on head like Mr. Spock*
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: zulu801 on November 18, 2006, 07:39:34 pm
on the real, if Jenn's BF paid attention he would not have done the act.  don't want to start a new topic within this topic but a man must pay a bit more attention to a woman need, likes and dislikes. 
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 07:58:37 pm
3 4 $10 flowers would have gotten.......  *eyebrow raised on head like Mr. Spock*

3 DOZEN, Zulu. I ain't cheap. ;) Seriously, they were the gorgeous lavender flowers that would've matched my bedroom perfectly. The roses I could've overlooked, but the chocolate threw me. I mean, he KNEW I can't stand the stuff, or at least I thought he did. That's not a tiny thing; that's a "you haven't been paying attention the whole time we've been dating" thing.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: zulu801 on November 18, 2006, 08:13:15 pm
3 4 $10 flowers would have gotten.......  *eyebrow raised on head like Mr. Spock*

3 DOZEN, Zulu. I ain't cheap. ;) Seriously, they were the gorgeous lavender flowers that would've matched my bedroom perfectly. The roses I could've overlooked, but the chocolate threw me. I mean, he KNEW I can't stand the stuff, or at least I thought he did. That's not a tiny thing; that's a "you haven't been paying attention the whole time we've been dating" thing.

gotcha Jenn. 
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: GrimSkill on November 18, 2006, 08:51:40 pm
Zulu, Substitute "woman" for "black" and "roses" for "chicken" and you'd be just as offended. Some of us just aren't in to any of that. I broke up with my last BF because he bought me roses and chocolates on Valentine's Day. Why? Because I hate roses (and I despise chocolate), and we'd been together long enough for him to know that. Had he gone to the corner store and gotten me these 3 for $10 lavender flowers, he would've gotten some head. (I'd made a passing comment about them once while we were shopping; they would've matched my bedroom's color scheme.) The fact that he got me the roses showed me that he didn't see me for me, but me for a cookie-cutter woman. "Oh, women love roses and candy!" Mind you, I'm not trying to say you have to know what kind of flowers I like or anything. What I'm saying is that people who know me know that's not my thing, and any man who claims to love me would know not to buy me roses - and definitely not chocolate. And he CERTAINLY wouldn't insult me with a diamond.


Gosh daNG!! :o :o :o

Hates Dimonds,Roses,Chocolate,Loves comic books AND Dose not menstruate....yup....Jenn is some kind of........... Something.... :-\


Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 08:55:44 pm
GrimSkill, after Guido is banned and assuming that you're not him, I hope you go next.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: GrimSkill on November 18, 2006, 08:57:47 pm
 :o :o :o

What did I do?? ???
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Open palm on November 18, 2006, 09:31:24 pm
don't beat yourself up bro. from a country that has the pagents like jon benet paticipated in and the rap video hos (that i lust after like every one else) pose as the role model for our young ladies. I am so glad that i did not have a little girl despit wanting one. just knowing the enviroment she would grow up in. i have climbed through a few windows back in the day so i figured i would have karma come back at me. kells is sick. he needs treatment but don't get it twisted just as guilty he is american culture and it treatment of its women is just as guilty. it is so complicated every women want to know that they are considerd beutiful but wants to be respected for so much more. if jenn was to honestly respond to what she would want more a diamond or a book she would pick the diamond and what she would want her dream man to say about her oh she is soo smart or she is so beutiful. i don't know her like that but if i know what is true for most women is that they would pick the diamond and the beuty compliment. just my 3 cents/

PISS! PISS! PISS! That man was pissing on your little sisters! Your daughters! That's not mud in your eye! It's worse!
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 09:32:10 pm
But he made 12 Play, Open Palm! TWELVE PLAY!!!!

 ::)

Drip-drip-drip...
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 09:47:59 pm
lol. you have to keep things in relative to your situation. when 12 play came out i was macking your sister and when we found out he liked to piss on 12 year olds i was the kindler gentler more responsible blue zulu. believe it or not life isn't a light switch so it takes a little effort to turn the light switch. almost every ting is relevant to our personal situation. that is why the fanboys trip out so much against the black panther. me sister for instance wouldn't listen to r kelly like i would listen to conway twitty. meaning that first thought of hey what if it is your sister wouldn't come to me. my wife, daughter, sister would know enough to not get pissed on. as someone who works with the population in question the getting pissed on demographic comes from the family and who and what came from it. meaning if you don't want your sister,daughter or whoever getting pissed on in the r kelly video, tell them how much of a princess.queen they are and how much you love them and hip them to the m/f out there waiting to give them the golden shower. real talk.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 09:59:35 pm
I just don't understand how he's still walking around. What's the matter with men in the Chi that a grown man can just run around pissing on kids and doesn't get his legs broken? This just doesn't happen where I'm from. Sh*t, when I was in the 10th grade, the captain of the football team would corner me in the halls and feel me up, show up at my job, my locker, my classes...one time he told my entire class (with the teacher there) that he was going to wait until my parents left me home alone and break into my house and rape me. I threw a book at him and I got suspended. The principal sided with HIM, and brought him into the office so they could both make fun of me with me crying. It was so bad that I couldn't sleep, started losing weight, myhair was falling out...I was terrified, especially since we lived in the same neighborhood.

Finally, ol' boy got really bold and put something in our mailbox - I have no idea what. My dad answered the mail that day, and he handled that in a way that not only would that guy get up and LEAVE if I as much as stepped into the school cafeteria, NO boy asked me out the entire time I was at that school, even after that cat GRADUATED. I don't know what my father said or did. I don't want to know what he said or did. And I was FIFTEEN. A nigga could piss on me TONIGHT and would see my father's face TOMORROW. Dudes like this girl's father don't exist in my world. First thing my dad said when he heard about this case was "where in the hell is HER father?" I'm like "I'm sure she's got a mother too, Daddy." He's all "f*ck THAT! Where is her FATHER?" Come to think of it, that's what I want to know. Any man who lets another man piss on his seed, well...

Reminds me of that Chappelle skit with him being a potential juror. They're asking him about the OJ case and Dave said something like the case would've never existed because the FIRST TIME OJ hit HIS sister, that would've been the end of it. "Woulda been some bloody gloves at OUR house!" Damn straight.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Toya on November 18, 2006, 10:07:22 pm
The way I see it, the kid could've had the best self-esteem anf self-confidence in the world, and stepped to R. Kelly bucket nekkid pleading and begging for him to piss on her...and you know what? He still is wrong. He was the adult in the situation, he does know better, he is a whore and most importantly, he is a pedophile. Cut and dry, he was dead wrong. I remember recently a college student got arrest because a 15 year old at a party performed fallacio on him. He claimed he wasn't aware of her age, they still put him behind bars for 20 years.

Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 10:09:37 pm
I just don't understand how he's still walking around. What's the matter with men in the Chi that a grown man can just run around pissing on kids and doesn't get his legs broken? This just doesn't happen where I'm from. Sh*t, when I was in the 10th grade, the captain of the football team would corner me in the halls and feel me up, show up at my job, my locker, my classes...one time he told my entire class (with the teacher there) that he was going to wait until my parents left me home alone and break into my house and rape me. I threw a book at him and I got suspended. The principal sided with HIM, and brought him into the office so they could both make fun of me with me crying. It was so bad that I couldn't sleep, started losing weight, myhair was falling out...I was terrified, especially since we lived in the same neighborhood. Finally, ol' boy got really bold and put something in our mailbox - I have no idea what. My dad answered the mail that day, and he handled that in a way that not only would that guy get up and LEAVE if I as much as stepped into the school cafeteria, NO boy asked me out the entire time I was at that school, even after that cat GRADUATED. I don't know what my father said or did. I don't want to know what he said or did. And I was FIFTEEN. A nigga could piss on me TONIGHT and would see my father's face TOMORROW. Dudes like this girl's father don't exist in my world. First thing my dad said when he heard about this case was "where in the hell is HER father?" I'm like "I'm sure she's got a mother too, Daddy." He's all "f*ck THAT! Where is her FATHER?" Come to think of it, that's what I want to know. Any man who lets another man piss on his seed, well...
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im not positive about this but i think mom and dad is in the picture. the girl's aunt or cousin sparkle who was a rkelly "singer" stepped up and said that r kelly was messing with her. the hardest thing to prove even when a tape exist apparently is that two people had sex and without one of them consenting. im telling you r kelly money assured this one result in a guilty verdict. even without his money being spent a white jury won't convict this dude of molesting this girl. you have watched the tape? i won't go into details how i came to see the tape but "victimization" isn't the first thing to come to mind when you see a fully formed female "winding" it up with the rnb dude and taking a dub from him all on tape. if anything it showed the prostitution angle. but hey im not a lawyer.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 10:11:32 pm
I'm probably the only person alive who hasn't seen the tape. Not because I'm so moral and upstanding, but because I don't need to see it. Just like I don't need to see the "Dreamgirls" movie to know it's going to suck.

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i won't go into details how i came to see the tape but "victimization" isn't the first thing to come to mind when you see a fully formed female "winding" it up with the rnb dude and taking a dub from him all on tape.

That's because America has a jacked up view of what rape is. If it's not by a stranger and you're not screaming and fighting for your life while fully clothed, people (including women) don't consider it rape.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 10:13:08 pm
The way I see it, the kid could've had the best self-esteem anf self-confidence in the world, and stepped to R. Kelly bucket nekkid pleading and begging for him to piss on her...and you know what? He still is wrong. He was the adult in the situation, he does know better, he is a whore and most importantly, he is a pedophile. Cut and dry, he was dead wrong. I remember recently a college student got arrest because a 15 year old at a party performed fallacio on him. He claimed he wasn't aware of her age, they still put him behind bars for 20 years.


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you are right. society and it's thinking is wrong. erv and toyas law he goes to jail. in reality he continues to make music and will for while. 15 year olds see getting pissed on him as a privelage and not an insult. thank god there are young women out there like yourself who are educated and have esteem to know that they have more in for them then being the "hey guuurlll guess guurll i %&#&@) r kelly and he pissed on me for a c note.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: bluezulu on November 18, 2006, 10:14:43 pm
I'm probably the only person alive who hasn't seen the tape. Not because I'm so moral and upstanding, but because I don't need to see it. Just like I don't need to see the "Dreamgirls" movie to know it's going to suck.

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i won't go into details how i came to see the tape but "victimization" isn't the first thing to come to mind when you see a fully formed female "winding" it up with the rnb dude and taking a dub from him all on tape.

That's because America has a jacked up view of what rape is. If it's not by a stranger and you're not screaming and fighting for your life while fully clothed, people (including women) don't consider it rape.
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dont get me off task lol. i can't get over the bad wigs from the previews. they all look like leon from the little richard movie to me. come on you know you are going to do this block buster. you cant grow your hair?
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Toya on November 18, 2006, 10:40:10 pm
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you are right. society and it's thinking is wrong. erv and toyas law he goes to jail. in reality he continues to make music and will for while. 15 year olds see getting pissed on him as a privelage and not an insult. thank god there are young women out there like yourself who are educated and have esteem to know that they have more in for them then being the "hey guuurlll guess guurll i %&#&@) r kelly and he pissed on me for a c note.

I was 15 once, I never taught that Bow Wow pissing on me was a privilege, and I doubt this girl is any different. I'm going to take a plunge and say that she *did* know it was wrong but for some reason(s) she didn't protest. This a standard case of pedophilia. So yeah, our law should be the law of the land.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 18, 2006, 11:30:46 pm
I was 15 once, I never taught that Bow Wow pissing on me was a privilege, and I doubt this girl is any different. I'm going to take a plunge and say that she *did* know it was wrong but for some reason(s) she didn't protest. This a standard case of pedophilia. So yeah, our law should be the law of the land.

I remember when a male friend of mine got busted cheating on his wife with a female friend of mine. It turned out that he'd slept with a good deal of women in my inner circle. I was so hurt because he was like a cross between my dad and my big brother. I'd known him for years. I would look at his relationship with his wife and think "that's the kind of love I want".

I asked him one day why he never as much as cursed around me, much less try to have sex with me. His reply: "You would have never gone for it."

And that's why I want R. Kelly to hang.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: GrimSkill on November 19, 2006, 12:44:05 am
I was 15 once, I never taught that Bow Wow pissing on me was a privilege, and I doubt this girl is any different. I'm going to take a plunge and say that she *did* know it was wrong but for some reason(s) she didn't protest. This a standard case of pedophilia. So yeah, our law should be the law of the land.

I remember when a male friend of mine got busted cheating on his wife with a female friend of mine. It turned out that he'd slept with a good deal of women in my inner circle. I was so hurt because he was like a cross between my dad and my big brother. I'd known him for years. I would look at his relationship with his wife and think "that's the kind of love I want".

I asked him one day why he never as much as cursed around me, much less try to have sex with me. His reply: "You would have never gone for it."

And that's why I want R. Kelly to hang.


I can see this also,Smart man.

Or he was just not attracted to you at all,one way or the other.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 19, 2006, 12:53:24 am
Are you gay, GrimSkill? Nothing wrong with that, but you seem to have a particular disdain and lack of knowledge when it comes to women. Like a He-Man Wimmin Hatur, you are.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: GrimSkill on November 19, 2006, 12:59:18 am
Are you gay, GrimSkill? Nothing wrong with that, but you seem to have a particular disdain and lack of knowledge when it comes to women. Like a He-Man Wimmin Hatur, you are.

Correction Jenn,I just have a Lack of Knowledge about YOU.

Last time I checked....you were NOT ALL woman.

Especially since my gf loves Roses,Chocolate,Dimonds and DOSE Menstruate
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Jenn on November 19, 2006, 01:03:13 am
Night, Guido.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: GrimSkill on November 19, 2006, 01:04:58 am
Night, Guido.

You saw him!?! Where!?

>.>


<.<
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Redjack on November 19, 2006, 12:36:46 pm
The way I see it, the kid could've had the best self-esteem anf self-confidence in the world, and stepped to R. Kelly bucket nekkid pleading and begging for him to piss on her...and you know what? He still is wrong. He was the adult in the situation, he does know better, he is a whore and most importantly, he is a pedophile. Cut and dry, he was dead wrong. I remember recently a college student got arrest because a 15 year old at a party performed fallacio on him. He claimed he wasn't aware of her age, they still put him behind bars for 20 years.



Here's the grey area. I have met many underage women who APPEAR to be  past the age of consent. Conversation usually destroys the illusion of adulthood but a lot of people don't actually talk much before hitting the sheets. I would be much more lenient towards a guy sho simply was fooled by a "woman" who turned out to be too young than I am towards a guy, like Kelly, who specifically seeks out underage- sometimes WAAAAAAAY underage- girls to "roll" with.

But I actually still have a bigger problem with the collective embrace he still enjoys in the black community strinctly because he can SAAAAAAAANG.

He needs a serious asswhipping and some jail time. Not effing kumbaya.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Toya on November 19, 2006, 02:50:48 pm
Here's the grey area. I have met many underage women who APPEAR to be  past the age of consent. Conversation usually destroys the illusion of adulthood but a lot of people don't actually talk much before hitting the sheets. I would be much more lenient towards a guy sho simply was fooled by a "woman" who turned out to be too young than I am towards a guy, like Kelly, who specifically seeks out underage- sometimes WAAAAAAAY underage- girls to "roll" with.

And that's is what it all comes up to right? He seeks out underage females to have sex with. His area is as black as a moonless night.

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But I actually still have a bigger problem with the collective embrace he still enjoys in the black community strinctly because he can SAAAAAAAANG.

He needs a serious asswhipping and some jail time. Not effing kumbaya.

As much as I like keeping my race card in my pocket, it has to come out on this one. I guarantee you had those girls been of a non-black ethnicity, or had he been messing with little boys, the media would have made him into a monster. And no one would be caught dead in public saying "but he puts out some hot jams though, hahahaha". Hell, they wouldn't even *dare* blame the children.


Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: GrimSkill on November 19, 2006, 02:58:08 pm
Here's the grey area. I have met many underage women who APPEAR to be  past the age of consent. Conversation usually destroys the illusion of adulthood but a lot of people don't actually talk much before hitting the sheets. I would be much more lenient towards a guy sho simply was fooled by a "woman" who turned out to be too young than I am towards a guy, like Kelly, who specifically seeks out underage- sometimes WAAAAAAAY underage- girls to "roll" with.

And that's is what it all comes up to right? He seeks out underage females to have sex with. His area is as black as a moonless night.

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But I actually still have a bigger problem with the collective embrace he still enjoys in the black community strinctly because he can SAAAAAAAANG.

He needs a serious asswhipping and some jail time. Not effing kumbaya.

As much as I like keeping my race card in my pocket, it has to come out on this one. I guarantee you had those girls been of a non-black ethnicity, or had he been messing with little boys, the media would have made him into a monster. And no one would be caught dead in public saying "but he puts out some hot jams though, hahahaha". Hell, they wouldn't even *dare* blame the children.




Correct Toya,this is the kinda Culture we live in.

Kinda like how no one cares about a missing Child until the child is white, then we have Airplanes and Space ships looking all over the place for them.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Toya on November 19, 2006, 03:38:51 pm
Yeah, that is why it is scary when it is present in our own sub-culture behind the excuse that R. Kelly is a musical genius. Pfft. 
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Wise Son on November 20, 2006, 02:09:17 am
BET cut out the part where I mentioned some of the excuses that I have PERSONALLY heard from black people. (Actually, they cut about 1/3 of the whole column.) I kid you not when I say that I went natural because my beautician was saying that "R. Kelly was just doing what any man would do", and I knew that I couldn't cuss her out AND let her give me a perm.
When I worked as a labourer a few years back, some of the guys I was with would gleefully talk about the holidays they were planning to Thailand, where they could indulge just those kind of urges. I never once thought it was 'what any man would do', I just thought I was working alongside some real scum.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Wise Son on November 20, 2006, 02:11:29 am
rkelly is a rnb music geniuse

No, he's not.
Just wanted to agree. He sucks. I have only in my life heard 1 R. Kelly song I liked. He's also the only guy I can think of who could do Trapped in the CLoset with an apparently straight face. You have to have a Galactus-sized ego for that.
Title: Re: Look what I found...
Post by: Wise Son on November 20, 2006, 02:22:08 am
The way I see it, the kid could've had the best self-esteem anf self-confidence in the world, and stepped to R. Kelly bucket nekkid pleading and begging for him to piss on her...and you know what? He still is wrong. He was the adult in the situation,
Exactly. That's the only thing that really matters. Did she want it? Did he have to force her? Who cares, he's an adult, he should say no. She could chase him down the street pleading for him to pee on her, but he's an adult, she's not, he has to say no.