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How Ya Livin' => Spirituality => Topic started by: Cheirel on January 01, 2011, 02:02:37 pm

Title: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Cheirel on January 01, 2011, 02:02:37 pm
Well you know 2011 is all about changes. Here am I about to try and find a new church after about 28 years of being at the same one. It is so hard and kind of weird. In Los Angeles we have 3 major AA churches. I/we have decided to go somewhere closer to home and due to some changes at our own church.

So we decide on a location as I'm watching on line the new "Pastor" is walking and preaching from an ipad is this what it's come to in 2011?

Come on fellow HEFFAs lend a hand before I realize I'm about to drink the kool-aid!
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Magic Wand on January 02, 2011, 05:45:58 am

So we decide on a location as I'm watching on line the new "Pastor" is walking and preaching from an ipad is this what it's come to in 2011?

Come on fellow HEFFAs lend a hand before I realize I'm about to drink the kool-aid![/color]

No disrespect intended, Cheirel....but if you're watching the Pastor's sermon via your iPad, what is the issue with the Pastor preaching from his iPad?  Isn't modern technology essential, even inside the Church? 
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point. 
Please elaborate?
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Cheirel on January 02, 2011, 04:45:12 pm
No disrespect taken at all. I was actually on my laptop. But that was kinda the whole point of what we where sayin is this really odd or was more a sign of the times. I mean Ipads are essential for life for some.

Then again there were no video screens, drums or anything more elaborate than an organ 25 years ago. I would like to just pick a nice decent church.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on January 02, 2011, 08:08:53 pm
What are your criteria for a decent church?  Others should list their requirements as well.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 03, 2011, 04:30:37 am
My pastor uses an ipad too.

For me a church must be first and foremost doctrinally correct in the essential core beliefs.
then the pastor must challenge me and be interesting.  There needs to be a place for me to be involved.  I have to feel a connection to the people too but most of all, I have to believe that this is where God wants me.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Cheirel on January 03, 2011, 09:54:37 pm
I need to feel there are still good ole core God seeking/fearing beliefs. Learning/teaching/leading/reminding for my family. Kip thanx for sharing about your church so I guess it isn't that uncommon OR it's the same place ;).

I want my daughter to have not only spiritual guidance but feel apart of a community. As I type this I wonder why am I leaving my old church.  
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on January 03, 2011, 10:30:42 pm
Why is fear of God part of the criteria?
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 04, 2011, 04:45:18 am
Why is fear of God part of the criteria?

Not to speak for Cheriel, but "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."  This fear is not the idea of terror, but is closer to respect.  But it is not respect either.  It is an acknowledgement that God is God and you are not.  It is knowing that while He is the God of love, He is also holy and the God of justice too.   It falls closer to the idea of when bunch of kids stop talking when the teacher steps in the room and wait for her to speak.   But never take it so far as, living your life afraid that God will zap you.   At least this is how my doctrine take this.

 
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on January 04, 2011, 08:32:13 am
For me a church must be first and foremost doctrinally correct in the essential core beliefs.

Just for clarification, does this mean you seek a church that believes what you believe?
How do you make that determination?
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: KIP LEWIS on January 04, 2011, 10:07:09 am
For me a church must be first and foremost doctrinally correct in the essential core beliefs.

Just for clarification, does this mean you seek a church that believes what you believe?
How do you make that determination?

I am tempted to make a smart-alec statement like--"'doctrinally correct' and 'what I believe' are one in the same!!!!".    Though in a less joking voice, I do believe what I believe is doctrinally correct;  after all why believe it if i didn't think it was right.   (But that discussion could lead into another thread). 

How do I make that determination?  First I tend to look at the material the church offers;  usually they have the church's core beliefs laid out somewhere.  (I can also find this on websites.)  If I know what college the Pastor attended; that usually helps.  Getting a copy of the church's constitiion or charter can help too.   Second, I may talk with people, like staff.  And then there is listening to sermons, live or taped helps too.  But I do this step mostly to know if this is a a guy I can listen to.  Not every speaker fits every listener.

I also tend to do this in steps.  There are certain beliefs that are essential.  (Again that could be a whole thread alone) and then there are doctrines and practices that I consider very important and would want, but I could be flexible there; and then there are some that are some doctrines and practices that aren't as important; some I might not even have come to a firm decision on myself.  (I wouldn't say, not important, just not as important as the first two catagories.)
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on January 04, 2011, 10:23:27 am
Let's not hold back on these "whole other thread" ideas.  That's what this section is here for. 
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Cheirel on January 10, 2011, 07:26:32 pm
Why is fear of God part of the criteria?

Not to speak for Cheriel, but "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."  This fear is not the idea of terror, but is closer to respect.  But it is not respect either.  It is an acknowledgement that God is God and you are not.  It is knowing that while He is the God of love, He is also holy and the God of justice too.   It falls closer to the idea of when bunch of kids stop talking when the teacher steps in the room and wait for her to speak.   But never take it so far as, living your life afraid that God will zap you.   At least this is how my doctrine take this.

 


Exactly. That is how I had been taught so to be speak. The fear is not a shaking but of reverence.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Hypestyle on January 20, 2011, 01:49:56 pm
...listening to the Al Sharpton radio show today, he had a guest on, a Bishop Carlton Pearson, my first time hearing of the guy.. during the conversation Pearson offered some interesting points on working one's way out of fundamentalist or literalist dogma and looking to a more holistic interpretation of Scriptures.. apparently he has a website and stuff- http://bishoppearson.com/
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: TripleX on March 01, 2011, 10:30:36 pm
I've gone to the same church since childhood and I want to change but can't. I'm not growing but the nostalgia is overwhelming.

I wish you the best of luck in your search.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 02, 2011, 09:52:59 am
I've gone to the same church since childhood and I want to change but can't. I'm not growing but the nostalgia is overwhelming.

If you are willing to share, please elaborate. I'd love to hear more. What prevents you from changing? What are you looking for?
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: TripleX on March 02, 2011, 11:46:49 am
I've been going since I was two. I was Baptized there, my sister was married there, my mom is a Trustee. It has the reputation of being stiff and formal and it's said that our members are stuck up. My city's first Black Mayor is a member, and our current Mayor was in my Sunday School class when we were kids.

My Pastor is affable and funny, he's very much like Bill Cosby and rarely preaches fire and brimstone. Sunday he talked about "prosperity preachers" and how they want to make it easy to get to Heaven as long as you pay your tithes. He said real Christianity is taxing and requires more of you than a financial contribution and that often times when you turn your life over to Christ that's when the devil works hardest against you. Long story short, he says little I can disagree with. He calls himself a teacher and not a preacher and he's NOTHING like the charlatans and hypocrites you see on t.v.  But it's just not working for me, I pay close attention and I'm better for going, but my life isn't progressing the way I want it to.

I've visited other churches with brothas in pastel colored pimp suits and felt out of place. I've watched their members shout to the point of convulsions and looked on in disbelief (maybe I'm a lil stuck up too lol). I'm a free spirited,  thuggish, bohemian, artist type cat and I'm open to other spiritual doctrines. I think I want to be Buddhist because I've liked everything I've heard about it, but that's too big a leap and I don't know how accommodating they'd be to Black folks. Plus it would really hurt my mom and my family would react as if I joined the Moonies or something. lol I think I just need to pray harder.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 02, 2011, 05:28:14 pm
I am not the guy to offer suggestions for religion but...
Are you sure it's an either/or proposition? As I understand it, Buddism is a practice not a faith. Maybe you can seek without abandoning your history.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on March 03, 2011, 10:48:51 am
I've visited other churches with brothas in pastel colored pimp suits and felt out of place. I've watched their members shout to the point of convulsions and looked on in disbelief (maybe I'm a lil stuck up too lol). I'm a free spirited,  thuggish, bohemian, artist type cat and I'm open to other spiritual doctrines. I think I want to be Buddhist because I've liked everything I've heard about it, but that's too big a leap and I don't know how accommodating they'd be to Black folks. Plus it would really hurt my mom and my family would react as if I joined the Moonies or something. lol I think I just need to pray harder.
That is expected if you were a person whom "grew up christian" especially if you're black and American. It will be very difficult changing from one faith or practice to entirely something different. What you can do is maybe get in contact with someone whom is well versed in that practice. Just like how you were going to different churches with your buddies. But it may be hard since one don't see too many of them in united states.

As for "hurting" your mom, that will come with the territory of how difficult it would be. But if you are seriously into the new practice and have strong knowledge and understanding you will be fine. It will be very similar how your mom has her understanding of Christianity. When it boils down to it, you are the person who will make the decision what practice you want to continue to follow.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Cheirel on March 03, 2011, 12:13:09 pm
Here it is March and I haven't set foot in a new church either. Instood I have been more of a coward in my opinion I have been sending a my daughter to church with my mom as late. I have been partially usuing the fact that I have been having problems with my back but it is hard to make that change.

Religion shouldn't be so hard....
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on March 04, 2011, 09:46:56 am
I found this intriguing:

Double belonging: Buddhism and Christian faith (http://ncronline.org/news/double-belonging-buddhism-and-christian-faith)
Theologian reveals how Buddhism helped him rediscover mysteries of Christian faith
Paul F. Knitter, author of Without Buddha I Could Not Be a Christian, is Paul Tillich Professor of Theology, World Religions and Culture at Union Theological Seminary in New York City. He is a leading advocate of globally responsible interreligious dialogue and author of more than 10 books on the subject. In this, his newest book, he writes very personally, sharing his struggles with his Christian faith while relating how his study of Buddhism -- and his own Zen practice -- has helped him through this struggle.

Excerpt from the interview:

In your book you speak of “double belonging.” Just what does that mean?
Double belonging is being talked about more and more now, both in the theological academy and in the area of Christian spirituality. I think it’s the term that is used when more and more people are finding that they can be genuinely nourished by more than one religious tradition, by more than their home tradition or their native tradition.

How widespread is double belonging?
I wouldn’t say it is for general consumption, but in areas of Europe and North America, I think that the number of people who are serious about practicing their faith are finding that some degree of double belonging is becoming more and more a part of their lives.

Why such a broad interest today in Buddhism among Christians?
There’s no one answer. In the book, I quote a friend of mine, Fr. Michael O’Halloran, who is formerly a Carthusian monk and now a priest here in the New York archdiocese. He is also a Zen teacher. Michael once told me that Christianity is long on content but short on method and technique. So I think Buddhism is providing Christians with practices, with techniques, by which they can enter more experientially into the content of what they believe.

What are the needs among Christian believers that you think Buddhism is addressing?
I hope I’m not generalizing here too much, but I think a lot of it has to do with the dissatisfaction that many of us Christians feel with a God who is all out there, a God who is totally other than I, the God who stands outside of me and confronts me. I think we’re searching for ways of realizing the mystery of the divine of God in a way in which it is more a part of our very selves.

I think Christians are searching more for a way of experiencing and understanding God in a unitive way, or what I say in the book is a “non-dual way,” where God becomes a reality that is certainly different than I am, but is part of my very being.
Title: Re: New Church In 2011?
Post by: Cheirel on June 13, 2011, 03:36:04 pm
Okay good people PLEASE explain to me why the Black churches want to get involve with the Dodgers? I don't understand why?