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Title: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 01, 2011, 07:05:01 am
BLEEDING COOL:

The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Submitted by Rich Johnston on August 1, 2011 – 7:00 am

Tonight, it is possible that Marvel will pre-announce the identity of the new Ultimate Spider-Man to the Associated Press, or similar.

It is possible he will be a young African American, potentially the Ben Reilly scientist character who has stores the late Peter Parker’s DNA and that’s certainly what Bleeding Cool has been speculating.

But that’s all, purely based on Marvel’s belief that the comic will get lots of publicity, both the revelation in Ultimate Fallout #4 and the appearance in Ultimate Spider-Man #1, the attempt by Donald Glover to get the role of Spider-Man, an industry recognition of the lack of high profile black leads in their comics, and the fact that in the preview material of the new Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon we haven’t even seen Peter Parker’s face.

Some however… see it in different ways. Such as Larry of Larry’s Comics, a prominent New England retailer who has made a name for himself on social networking and setting up the regular Tuesday #comicmarket Twitter hashtag.

Larry has… shall we put it, and unfortunate way with words. I’ve debated with him his use of the word “gay” to mean lame before, and has a reputation for not exactly being progressive with his language in terms of women. Some people see this as refreshing anti-political correctness, I see it as a prominent businessman being needlessly offensive to a potential consumer base in an attempt to cause some controversy and get himself noticed.

Well, yesterday, he certainly got that, when he began discussing the possibility of a black Spider-Man. He tweeted;



Facepalm.

Larry soon deleted the tweets as negative opinion began to flow in. But he still didn’t seem to think he’d done anything wrong. I pressed him on the matter and he replied.

google African American Jokes. Do it now. WHY is it good natured and funny When somebody BEDIDES Larry Doherty says it?

I asked him if he was drinking and tweeting. It was really the only reason I could come up with as to why a comic book retailer would be posting this kind of thing.

not drinking Rich. ( which is rare ) Genuinely thought it was funny. And appropriate. Guess I AM a dick. #comicmarket

I believe that Larry’s behaviour here is totally from ignorance rather than maliciousness. But for any businessperson to behave in this way publically…well, that’s takes ignorance to a new level.

So, no, I don’t think his kind of thing calls for a boycott. But maybe… a little education?

Admission: I appear to appear on the cover to Larry Comics’ retailer variant cover of Ultimate Spider-Man #666, photoshopped in, next to Barack Obama. Oh the ironies.

Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 01, 2011, 07:36:38 am
I think I know what's coming next. ;)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 01, 2011, 07:52:43 am
is this "the" big thing, reggie reg?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 01, 2011, 08:29:02 am
is this "the" big thing, reggie reg?
I think it's going to be very big.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 01, 2011, 09:35:36 am
Honestly, I don't see how anything involving Ultimate Spider-Man can be "big" these days.  It seems like the glory days of the Ultimate Universe are long behind it. 

I gave up on it years ago following the Loeb's horrible writing and complete boredom with Bendis on Ultimate Spider-Man.

I wonder this though: What percentage of young african american men say "oy" and how long until Bendis has the new Ultimate Spidey saying just that?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 01, 2011, 10:10:17 am
lol.
i KNEW it was Spidey related! lol
but i did think the "news" would be about you writing something too
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 01, 2011, 01:48:40 pm
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/HEFsrprise_01.jpg)
SURPRISE!!!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Vic Vega on August 01, 2011, 02:32:57 pm
I am somewhat ashamed to admit that I look forward more to the inevitable internet freakout over this than the book itself.

I may be online too much. :-[
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on August 01, 2011, 07:50:29 pm
whaa...?  Curious.  First time i've heard of this angle.  I'd hoped it would be a minority youth.  I guess we'll see.  I also like the 'original' all new outfit rather than this latest reveal.  Hopefully the black/red outfit is finally used for the regular series..

..now as far as the cartoon-- I doubt they'll go there.  If they do, i will gladly celebrate the internet breakage.. heh..
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Redjack on August 01, 2011, 08:27:18 pm
they don't call it the House of Ideas for nothing. Can't wait.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JRCarter on August 01, 2011, 08:51:19 pm
The tweets in question:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/08/LarrysComics1.jpg
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/08/Larrys-Comics-2.jpg
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 02, 2011, 01:29:52 am
Pulled from BC...

Well, it’s not Ben Reilly. So, sorry any of you who stocked up on Ultimate Spider-Man #61. But thematically we were in the right ball park. In advance of Ultimate Fallout #4′s sale on Wednesday this week, USA Today has been given the scoop by Marvel who aren’t quite sure why they are putting spoiler comics in spoiler bags anymore when they go and do something like this…

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/RoddSteele/hudlin/spiderblack.jpg)



We have an African-American president, so why not an African-American Spider-Man, too?

Revealed in Marvel Comics’ Ultimate Fallout Issue 4, out Wednesday, the new Spider-Man in the Ultimate universe is a half-black, half-Hispanic teen named Miles Morales. He takes over the gig held by Peter Parker, who was killed in Ultimate Spider-Man Issue 160 in June.

In his first appearance, he simply breaks up a fight. But readers will learn the true origin of Morales and how he became the new Spider-Man when Ultimate Spider-Man relaunches in September with a new No. 1 issue.

“The theme is the same: With great power comes great responsibility,” says writer Brian Michael Bendis. “He’s going to learn that. Then he has to figure out what that means.”

(Rich adds) This is important an attempt to break the white hegemony at the top of the superhero charts, where black leads just don’t sell as well as their white counterparts, based as they are on work from the sixties which just weren’t as ethnically diverse as we’ve come to expect from other forms of entertainment.

Whether Miles will apear in the new Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, the article doesn’t say. Bendis says he was inspired in part by Donald Glover’s appearance in TV series Community dressed as Spider-Man, part of the actor’s attempt to pitch himself in the movie role. USA Today quotes Bendis as saying;

“He looked fantastic! I saw him in the costume and thought, ‘I would like to read that book.’ So I was glad I was writing that book.”

We also learn;

The creation of Miles Morales, a teenager with an African-American father and Hispanic mother, has been personal for his creators. Axel Alonso, Marvel’s editor in chief, is of mixed cultures (his father is Mexican, his mother is British), and Bendis has two adopted daughters, a 3½-year-old from Ethiopia and a 4½-month-old African American.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 02, 2011, 08:32:17 am
I didn't know about the connection to Bendis' personal life, but I knew Axel had been wanting to do this for a while.  We talked about it before the last relaunch of USM.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Emperorjones on August 02, 2011, 11:05:08 am
Sounds intriguing. I'm waiting to see how it all progresses though. I am surprised, and heartened that Marvel actually took Donald Glover's campaign seriously. The movie studio didn't. Heck, neither did I. It just goes to show that sometimes a single person or a small, passionate group can get the powers to be to listen.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 02, 2011, 01:31:25 pm
Sounds intriguing. I'm waiting to see how it all progresses though. I am surprised, and heartened that Marvel actually took Donald Glover's campaign seriously. The movie studio didn't. Heck, neither did I. It just goes to show that sometimes a single person or a small, passionate group can get the powers to be to listen.
Well, I think Bendis was right.  You saw him in the suit, you know his work, and it felt right.  The fact that casting him wasn't an option made them realize they needed to create that possibility.  Mark Millar proved it could be done with Samuel Jackson in THE ULTIMATES, so why not do it again?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 02, 2011, 02:06:07 pm
The creation of Miles Morales, a teenager with an African-American father and Hispanic mother, has been personal for his creators. Axel Alonso, Marvel’s editor in chief, is of mixed cultures (his father is Mexican, his mother is British), and Bendis has two adopted daughters, a 3½-year-old from Ethiopia and a 4½-month-old African American.

1. Miles Morales, did he go by his mothers maiden name or does his black dad have the Hispanic last name.  I guess the story will reveal more later.

2. Did'nt know Bendis had 2 daughters from Ethiopia and one black...that's cool, adoption is very important imho.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 02, 2011, 05:12:56 pm
Already on my pull-list.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Rockscissorspaper on August 02, 2011, 05:37:08 pm
Well the racist mitching and boaning train has arrived right on schedule on the various message boards. Lol @ these people acting like Marvel replaced "mainstream" Spidey or something.

It is also...interesting...to see some readers who have expressed disdain for DC's "replace white character x with ethnic character y" practice turn around and give the thumbs up to this particular case.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on August 02, 2011, 05:50:12 pm
It is also...interesting...to see some readers who have expressed disdain for DC's "replace white character x with ethnic character y" practice turn around and give the thumbs up to this particular case.
Not surprising, their Lord, Jesus Bendis, Superstar is writing it. He can't do wrong.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 02, 2011, 05:53:34 pm
Well the racist mitching and boaning train has arrived right on schedule on the various message boards. Lol @ these people acting like Marvel replaced "mainstream" Spidey or something.

It is also...interesting...to see some readers who have expressed disdain for DC's "replace white character x with ethnic character y" practice turn around and give the thumbs up to this particular case.

i know, right!  it's crazy!
i was reading comments on Blastr and was like "yup...the $#!t has hit the fan."
one guy has decided 2 quit marvel cuz they r pandering 2 minorities cuz original black characters arent successful...then created a "Pander-Man theme song.

white folx love them some spider-man

ps: hey, i love me some Bendis.  In Secret War, he had Cage say "I think I just increased the black population by 125%" when they arrived in Latveria.  That ish was hella funny. somrthing i woulda said. lol
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 02, 2011, 06:04:16 pm
Well the racist mitching and boaning train has arrived right on schedule on the various message boards. Lol @ these people acting like Marvel replaced "mainstream" Spidey or something.


i know, right!  it's crazy!
i was reading comments on Blastr and was like "yup...the $#!t has hit the fan."
one guy has decided 2 quit marvel cuz they r pandering 2 minorities cuz original black characters arent successful...then created a "Pander-Man theme song.

  Well, you can understand their frustration, given the acute shortage of white superheroes. 
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 02, 2011, 06:27:24 pm
It is also...interesting...to see some readers who have expressed disdain for DC's "replace white character x with ethnic character y" practice turn around and give the thumbs up to this particular case.
Not surprising, their Lord, Jesus Bendis, Superstar is writing it. He can't do wrong.


Thats like the funniest ish Ive heard all year.

Also, looks like Jason Aaron is Marvel's goto guy now.   ;D
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on August 02, 2011, 07:23:03 pm
http://tinyurl.com/3z6f5br

..some negativity is coming from some unexpected circles.. disappointing..  :-\
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 02, 2011, 07:30:16 pm
[url]http://tinyurl.com/3z6f5br[/url]

..some negativity is coming from some unexpected circles.. disappointing..  :-\
That kind of self hate is pathetic.  I love the poster to clowned them (and didn't even get it) saying "I want my white hero back!". "Forced" is one of the words like "sassy"...it isn't JUST used in a black context, but often.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Vic Vega on August 03, 2011, 06:44:14 am
It is also...interesting...to see some readers who have expressed disdain for DC's "replace white character x with ethnic character y" practice turn around and give the thumbs up to this particular case.
Not surprising, their Lord, Jesus Bendis, Superstar is writing it. He can't do wrong.


That is the funniest part of this.

Its a good thing nobody ever died from cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 03, 2011, 12:02:48 pm
OMW to work, luckily we nearly doubled up on this order and I still don't think its enough.   ;D

ps. that new Silvestri Hulk is wicked!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 03, 2011, 12:10:41 pm
OMW to work, luckily we nearly doubled up on this order and I still don't think its enough.   ;D

ps. that new Silvestri Hulk is wicked!

LET us know how it goes today, ok?
sellouts & shopper comments...
i know i'm interested
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Emperorjones on August 03, 2011, 12:32:00 pm
Sounds intriguing. I'm waiting to see how it all progresses though. I am surprised, and heartened that Marvel actually took Donald Glover's campaign seriously. The movie studio didn't. Heck, neither did I. It just goes to show that sometimes a single person or a small, passionate group can get the powers to be to listen.
Well, I think Bendis was right.  You saw him in the suit, you know his work, and it felt right.  The fact that casting him wasn't an option made them realize they needed to create that possibility.  Mark Millar proved it could be done with Samuel Jackson in THE ULTIMATES, so why not do it again?

At least this move does counter the naysayers who would complain about a black Peter Parker. There is now a separate Spider-Man who is a person of color. Of course the moaning would then go to who came first, like between Hal and John Stewart. As for this new Spider-Man, I'm in a wait and see mode, just like with the new slate of DC characters coming. I did pick up the Fallout issue today, but haven't read it yet. I'm not super jazzed about a black Spider-Man. It sort of feels like they were going for a twofer. Let's make him half black and half Latino, and it sort of reminds me of the black Latino young hero they already have with the new Power Man. As it stands we have another black hero derived from a white one. Though it is a big deal because the hero the dude is derived from his Spider-Man, however, they are going to have to be committed to let Morales develop into his own.

I do like what I'm hearing about new powers. It would be great to see new villains, beyond Peter's regular group come on the scene as well.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 03, 2011, 03:42:50 pm
OMW to work, luckily we nearly doubled up on this order and I still don't think its enough.   ;D

ps. that new Silvestri Hulk is wicked!

LET us know how it goes today, ok?
sellouts & shopper comments...
i know i'm interested

out.

Interesting, we got on the news for 1. The club next door the city is trying to close...for the second time. and 2. Ultimate Spidey, which it is all positive pertaining to race.  Customers seem interested and are talking more about Lawrence Fishburne as Perry White.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 03, 2011, 05:06:59 pm

Also, looks like Jason Aaron is Marvel's goto guy now.   ;D
And he should be. Add Yost, DnA and Giffen and you have yourself a super team of writers handling the MU.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 03, 2011, 05:30:41 pm

Also, looks like Jason Aaron is Marvel's goto guy now.   ;D
And he should be. Add Yost, DnA and Giffen and you have yourself a super team of writers handling the MU.

Yost is the shiznit!
give him the keys 2 the xmen castle
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 03, 2011, 10:52:37 pm
ICv2:

Marvel Says New 'Ultimate Comics' Spider-Man Is Not Gay
'Not That There's Anything Wrong With That'
Published: 08/03/2011 03:58pm

Yesterday’s announcement that the new Ultimate Comics Spider-Man Miles Morales is a half-black, half-Latino teenager (see “Marvel Unveils New Ultimate Comics Spider-Man”) triggered a maelstrom of mainstream media coverage, and though the majority of major outlets like USA Today, The New York Times, Forbes, and The Washington Post appear to have gotten the story more or less right, others such as the London Daily Mail, the Drudge Report, and Glenn Beck apparently want to bring even more “diversity” to the Marvel universe by reporting that the biracial Miles Morales was gay.  A spokesperson for Marvel Comics confirmed to ICv2 unequivocally that “Miles Morales isn’t gay.”
 
Britain’s right wing Daily Mail may have been the first to comment on the sexuality of the new character in an article by Daniel Bates: “But another surprise could be in the pipeline after his creators said in the future they would not rule out making him gay,” while Drudge reported, “Marvel kills off Spider-Man, replaces with half-black, half-Hispanic reincarnation… could be gay.” On his radio show Glenn Beck said the new Spidey, “looks just like Obama… Do I care if he’s half-Hispanic, all Hispanic?  Half-black, half—I really don’t care. Half-gay, all gay, I don’t really care, I don’t care, it’s a stupid comic book.”  This from a man who lavishly praised the Broadway musical version of Spider-Man, but thinks the comics are “stupid.” Following his typical conspiratorial bent Beck managed to blame Michelle Obama for the new Spider-Man.
 
It appears that these highly political media outlets arrived at their conclusion about Miles Morales’ sexuality by twisting the meaning of a comment by Ultimate Spider-Man artist Sara Pichelli, who told USA Today, “Maybe sooner or later a black or gay—or both—hero will be considered something absolutely normal.”  It makes more sense to this observer to interpret Pichelli’s remarks as a plea for a more tolerant and colorblind society where the color of a person’s skin or their sexuality wouldn’t exclude them from high profile endeavors—a society in which a fine actor like Laurence Fishburne could land a juicy character role like Perry White in the new Superman film (see “Laurence Fishburne to Play Perry White”) or a Blatino teenager could take up the mantle of Spider-Man without stirring up a backlash.
 
It doesn’t appear that we’ve gotten there yet.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 04, 2011, 01:23:17 am

Also, looks like Jason Aaron is Marvel's goto guy now.   ;D
And he should be. Add Yost, DnA and Giffen and you have yourself a super team of writers handling the MU.

Can we throw Rucka and Brubaker in the mix?   ;)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 04, 2011, 06:30:00 am

Also, looks like Jason Aaron is Marvel's goto guy now.   ;D
And he should be. Add Yost, DnA and Giffen and you have yourself a super team of writers handling the MU.

Can we throw Rucka and Brubaker in the mix?   ;)
Brubaker he is already apart of the "fantastic four" We need some new blood. As of Rucka. I dont think i've read any of his works
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 04, 2011, 02:33:35 pm
Well the racist mitching and boaning train has arrived right on schedule on the various message boards. Lol @ these people acting like Marvel replaced "mainstream" Spidey or something.

It is also...interesting...to see some readers who have expressed disdain for DC's "replace white character x with ethnic character y" practice turn around and give the thumbs up to this particular case.

i know, right!  it's crazy!
i was reading comments on Blastr and was like "yup...the $#!t has hit the fan."
one guy has decided 2 quit marvel cuz they r pandering 2 minorities cuz original black characters arent successful...then created a "Pander-Man theme song.

white folx love them some spider-man

ps: hey, i love me some Bendis.  In Secret War, he had Cage say "I think I just increased the black population by 125%" when they arrived in Latveria.  That ish was hella funny. somrthing i woulda said. lol

I have seen more dislike to this character than like and for all the same reasons when white character is replaced with a minority from it's a stunt, it's pandering, it's an insult, why can't they create a unique Black hero.  (Even though they just can't seem to get this isn't a replacement for the real Spider-man.)

I bought Fallout 4.  It was fair, neither great or bad.  It wasn't really a good teaser.  If it wasn't Bendis and Spider-man, I would propbably skip issue one after that.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on August 04, 2011, 03:44:47 pm
it's an insult, why can't they create a unique Black hero. 

You mean like "Blue Marvel"? Refresh m memory, what issue number is his book on right now?
BTW, who is this "an insult" to?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 04, 2011, 06:27:24 pm
One of the frustrating things I have seen is that many would use BP and Luke cage as part of their argument saying "if they changed BP to *insert race* you'll get upset" Nigga please. Once they realize that argument is a total failure since some of us like reading comics for their heroism not skin color, then they would use "UMAD" responses. BTW I went to the site and great post Hypestyle. I wont bother going to CBR right now.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 04, 2011, 07:01:58 pm
it's an insult, why can't they create a unique Black hero.  

You mean like "Blue Marvel"? Refresh m memory, what issue number is his book on right now?
BTW, who is this "an insult" to?

"Insult to Blacks"--creating a Black Spider-man is giving the Black community "tablescrapes."  (I call Spider-man the main course, myself.)  Some saw it as a stunt, or worse, and not serious storytelling, therefore, that's insulting.

But no character is going to be liked by everyone.  What one finds right and good, another calls it insulting.  Can't please everyone, so they shouldn't try.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on August 04, 2011, 07:30:13 pm
it's an insult, why can't they create a unique Black hero.  

You mean like "Blue Marvel"? Refresh m memory, what issue number is his book on right now?
BTW, who is this "an insult" to?

"Insult to Blacks"--creating a Black Spider-man is giving the Black community "tablescrapes."  (I call Spider-man the main course, myself.)  Some saw it as a stunt, or worse, and not serious storytelling, therefore, that's insulting.

But no character is going to be liked by everyone.  What one finds right and good, another calls it insulting.  Can't please everyone, so they shouldn't try.

I can't speak for all "blacks" but I'm not insulted. Neither was my 69 year old mother, when she called me yesterday, asking if I got her a copy of the book(but she's ONLY half Black, so maybe she don't count).
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 04, 2011, 08:41:33 pm
why in the hell would i be insulted that a half black kid is the new Spidey...Marvel's premiere character! oh i'm mad that a black character is gonna get some shine....  >:(
man please!
if the story is good, i'm good.

spidey isnt the 1st legacy character to become black.
john stewart is a shining example of that. the JL storylines would be totally different if he didnt exist.

would i love an all new black hero & villain that became #1 with all fans? sure would!
but we all know it isn't in white ppl's DNA to cheer for & spend money on someone who doesnt look like them and is STRONGER or SMARTER than their established white heroes! not gonna happen.

if Kick Ass was a black kid then it wouldnt have become a movie...and nothing prevents KICK ASS from being non white.

i hope Mr Terrific is the sh!t. i really do.  a suave, sexy Black man thats strong & hella smart who loves the ladies of color.  I want him to watch BET or TV1 from time to time, i want his fave movies to be Boomerang, Coming to America, love jones, Friday, Love & Basketball and The Best Man just to name a few.

i want him to be undeniably Black and the coolest muthasucka in the nuDCU.  and i want nonBlacks to love him in spite of all that. see past his Blackness and love and support him.

i liked Tangent Superman. sue me.  you arent hurting my feelings.

Do nonBlacks like the stripped down Black Panther? if no, then put him back in Wakanda...return him back to his cool as hell fringe status. Let him kick ass, take names in his part of th Marvel U and let the cool kids njoy what the sheep are missing. The real T'Challa and the badassery of a mighty African nation. People'll come around especially if u keep showcasing him in Marvel cartoons. And let him enjoy married life cuz Ororo has never been happier or more interesting. She went from being an objectified afterthought to a fleshed out black woman.

ps: Nick Fury became so much more cooler when he became black. just sayin'. lol

/rant over
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 05, 2011, 12:44:15 am
Yea, Blue Marvel was just in Fear Itself: Home Front.  He needs a book, and needs it done right.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JRCarter on August 05, 2011, 09:18:04 am
why in the hell would i be insulted that a half black kid is the new Spidey...Marvel's premiere character! oh i'm mad that a black character is gonna get some shine....  >:(
man please!
if the story is good, i'm good.

spidey isnt the 1st legacy character to become black.
john stewart is a shining example of that. the JL storylines would be totally different if he didnt exist.

would i love an all new black hero & villain that became #1 with all fans? sure would!
but we all know it isn't in white ppl's DNA to cheer for & spend money on someone who doesnt look like them and is STRONGER or SMARTER than their established white heroes! not gonna happen.

if Kick Ass was a black kid then it wouldnt have become a movie...and nothing prevents KICK ASS from being non white.

i hope Mr Terrific is the sh!t. i really do.  a suave, sexy Black man thats strong & hella smart who loves the ladies of color.  I want him to watch BET or TV1 from time to time, i want his fave movies to be Boomerang, Coming to America, love jones, Friday, Love & Basketball and The Best Man just to name a few.

i want him to be undeniably Black and the coolest muthasucka in the nuDCU.  and i want nonBlacks to love him in spite of all that. see past his Blackness and love and support him.

i liked Tangent Superman. sue me.  you arent hurting my feelings.

Do nonBlacks like the stripped down Black Panther? if no, then put him back in Wakanda...return him back to his cool as hell fringe status. Let him kick ass, take names in his part of th Marvel U and let the cool kids njoy what the sheep are missing. The real T'Challa and the badassery of a mighty African nation. People'll come around especially if u keep showcasing him in Marvel cartoons. And let him enjoy married life cuz Ororo has never been happier or more interesting. She went from being an objectified afterthought to a fleshed out black woman.

ps: Nick Fury became so much more cooler when he became black. just sayin'. lol

/rant over

Co-sign. SO co-sign.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 05, 2011, 09:25:12 am
thanks JRCarter.
i had 2 gt that off my chest.
lol
 8)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 05, 2011, 12:55:18 pm
Nick Fury became so much more cooler when he became black. just sayin'. lol

False  :P
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 05, 2011, 02:03:24 pm
Nick Fury became so much more cooler when he became black. just sayin'. lol

False  :P

nope, it's true. avid Hasselhoff messed it all up. lol
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Redjack on August 07, 2011, 02:04:56 pm
so everybody's supporting the BLACKJACK relaunch, right?

Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 08, 2011, 10:44:27 am
MILES MORALES & ME - Why the new biracial Spider-Man matters (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/comic-riffs/post/miles-morales-and-me-why-the-new-biracial-spider-man-matters/2011/08/04/gIQABzlGuI_blog.html#pagebreak)

Quote
You always remember the happiest day of your comic-book life. Those of us who refuse to let go of our 22 to 30 pages of monthly joy called comic books once we’ve “grown up” each have our moments. For some, it’s the first time they read Watchmen. Others will say it was when they discovered the X-Men. Perhaps it was that time they read Batman: Year One.

For me, that moment came Aug. 2, 2011, when after reading comic books for more than two-thirds of my life (I am 31) and never being surprised or shocked by anything, I read news that, literally, made my jaw drop.

The new Ultimate Spider-Man, who will have the almost impossible task of replacing the late Peter Parker (easily one of Marvel Comics most popular characters), took off his mask and revealed himself to be a young, half-black, half-Latino kid by the name of Miles Morales.

When I read the news, I was beside myself, as if my brain couldn’t fully process the revelation.

My friendly neighborhood Spider-Man was ... just like me? This is a moment I never thought I’d see. But the moment has arrived, and I — the son of Puerto Rican man who passed his love of comics to me, and a black woman who once called me just to say she’d met Adam West — will never forget that day.


Complete article here. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/comic-riffs/post/miles-morales-and-me-why-the-new-biracial-spider-man-matters/2011/08/04/gIQABzlGuI_blog.html#pagebreak)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 08, 2011, 11:44:04 am
that was a really good article
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Catch22 on August 08, 2011, 11:48:33 am
Great article.  I'm late to the party...again...but I'm back, baby! LOL  Great to see the new Spider-Man, can't wait to pick up the first issue of the new series!!!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 08, 2011, 12:05:21 pm
Will it matter at all of this book actually sucks?  I don't want to be a downer, but it seems that people are excited with the creation of this character and aren't yet concerned with how the book will be. 

Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Catch22 on August 08, 2011, 12:09:13 pm
Will it matter at all of this book actually sucks?  I don't want to be a downer, but it seems that people are excited with the creation of this character and aren't yet concerned with how the book will be. 

Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?


Dammit, Jesse!  This is why I left this forum...you and all that devil's advocate, common-sense stuff!  You'll buy the book, love it, then buy it again, dammit!  Still, it'll get my standard 5 issue test...if it goes well, we'll see.

Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Shade on August 08, 2011, 12:43:38 pm
Will it matter at all of this book actually sucks?  I don't want to be a downer, but it seems that people are excited with the creation of this character and aren't yet concerned with how the book will be. 

Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?

Because based on Bendis's track record on USM from the past 11 years the relaunch will be great. I'm not much of a Bendis fan but make no mistake this isn't Avengers Bendis, his work on USM has been one of the best books out there since 2000 and has always been a top seller.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on August 08, 2011, 01:04:40 pm
Will it matter at all of this book actually sucks?  I don't want to be a downer, but it seems that people are excited with the creation of this character and aren't yet concerned with how the book will be. 

Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?

For reals, player? Did you write the same thing when "Agents of Atlas" came out? How about the new "Mr. Terrific" or "Static"? Oh, by the way, the NEW Ultimate Spider-Man is  NOT "Bi-Racial"! "Latino", "Hispanic" or whatthef*ckever...., is a CULTURE, not a RACE(see Milt Palacio, Soledad O'Brian, Mariah Carey, Marion Jones Jeremy Suarez and Miguel Nunez Jr.  to name a few).
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 08, 2011, 02:06:38 pm
Will it matter at all of this book actually sucks?  I don't want to be a downer, but it seems that people are excited with the creation of this character and aren't yet concerned with how the book will be. 

Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?

For reals, player? Did you write the same thing when "Agents of Atlas" came out? How about the new "Mr. Terrific" or "Static"? Oh, by the way, the NEW Ultimate Spider-Man is  NOT "Bi-Racial"! "Latino", "Hispanic" or whatthef*ckever...., is a CULTURE, not a RACE(see Milt Palacio, Soledad O'Brian, Mariah Carey, Marion Jones Jeremy Suarez and Miguel Nunez Jr.  to name a few).

I didn't write the same thing when Agents of Atlas, Mr. Terrific or Static came out because for the most part, the general public didn't care and weren't wigging out (either for or against it).  Also, the latter two had been established for a while now so we kind of know what to expect from those books. 
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 08, 2011, 05:47:50 pm
Will it matter at all of this book actually sucks?  I don't want to be a downer, but it seems that people are excited with the creation of this character and aren't yet concerned with how the book will be. 

Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?
I agree this is Bendis writing. Now if you say like DnA or Gage then shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit no question a purchase lol
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Catch22 on August 08, 2011, 06:02:03 pm
Well, I have to agree with Shade.  I slept on Ultimate Spider-Man after the first two years.  I was fortunate enough to pick up a huge run on ebay and I honestly think that it was probably the best written Spider-Man book I've read in YEARS.  It's the book that JQ wanted Amazing Spider-Man to be when he put forth that OMD/BND travesty.  I'll give Bendis the benefit of the doubt on this one...at least for the first 5 issues.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 08, 2011, 06:44:44 pm
Now it will probably be the standard Bendis stuff.  And if you like Bendis, you'll like the book and if you hate Bendis, you won't. 

That's some of the realest ish I've heard on this book.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Wise Son on August 09, 2011, 02:39:35 pm
People are understandably excited with the prospect of a biracial Spider-Man but how much leeway do you give the book before you drop it because you just don't like the story/writing?

I'll give it a chance. If I don't like it, I won't carry on buying it, but I am interested enough to give it a chance.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 09, 2011, 10:51:32 pm
Glad I stopped reading long ago, there's no way this is going to be a good idea
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 10, 2011, 05:44:10 am
Glad I stopped reading long ago, there's no way this is going to be a good idea

If you don't mind my asking, why such pessimism at the concept?
It sounds kind of like Spider-man meets Static and both of those work. Certainly the execution could disappoint but were you objecting to the idea? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 10, 2011, 05:33:26 pm
Glad I stopped reading long ago, there's no way this is going to be a good idea

If you don't mind my asking, why such pessimism at the concept?
It sounds kind of like Spider-man meets Static and both of those work. Certainly the execution could disappoint but were you objecting to the idea? I'm just curious.

Just my kneejerk response as Ultimate was perhaps my favorite version of the character, I had read almost all of the first 100 issues and continued until Bagley left the title and I kinda trailed off.  I was very dismayed to hear they just killed Parker off and replaced him regardless of the race of the character.  From what I read of Static and Spiderman they are essentially the same character.  After reading Ultimate Aftermath it kinda soften the blow but still, I'm not loving this at all
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 11, 2011, 03:07:35 am
Glad I stopped reading long ago, there's no way this is going to be a good idea

If you don't mind my asking, why such pessimism at the concept?
It sounds kind of like Spider-man meets Static and both of those work. Certainly the execution could disappoint but were you objecting to the idea? I'm just curious.

Just my kneejerk response as Ultimate was perhaps my favorite version of the character, I had read almost all of the first 100 issues and continued until Bagley left the title and I kinda trailed off.  I was very dismayed to hear they just killed Parker off and replaced him regardless of the race of the character.  From what I read of Static and Spiderman they are essentially the same character.  After reading Ultimate Aftermath it kinda soften the blow but still, I'm not loving this at all
as many characters the Ultimate line has killed off i guess spidey was next
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 11, 2011, 08:18:21 am
Glad I stopped reading long ago, there's no way this is going to be a good idea

If you don't mind my asking, why such pessimism at the concept?
It sounds kind of like Spider-man meets Static and both of those work. Certainly the execution could disappoint but were you objecting to the idea? I'm just curious.

Just my kneejerk response as Ultimate was perhaps my favorite version of the character, I had read almost all of the first 100 issues and continued until Bagley left the title and I kinda trailed off.  I was very dismayed to hear they just killed Parker off and replaced him regardless of the race of the character.  From what I read of Static and Spiderman they are essentially the same character.  After reading Ultimate Aftermath it kinda soften the blow but still, I'm not loving this at all

Thanks for the reply, D.
So you're pissed off that they killed Peter Parker in your favorite version. Independent of who replaces him. I can understand that. Given that that's a done deal, are you open to checking out Miles Morales if it's done well? Again, I'm just genuinely curious.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 11, 2011, 11:14:57 am
Given that the same writer is going to write the new character, and looking at the few panels of the new guy we've seen he's pretty much the same personality, I don't see how it doesn't work big time. 

it will be interesting to see if Peter Parker starts to "pale" in comparison, the way original Nick compares to Ultimate Nick Fury. 
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Francisco on August 11, 2011, 11:22:05 am
Marvel is doing now what they should have done since the begining. Peter Parker should have been a black kid since they started the Ultimate line 10 or so years ago. Pansies!! >:(
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 11, 2011, 11:26:49 am
I know Axel wanted to do it during the last reboot but everyone wasn't signing on the concept then.  It's good to be the king....
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 11, 2011, 12:45:31 pm
I know Axel wanted to do it during the last reboot but everyone wasn't signing on the concept then.  It's good to be the king....


(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/GreyHawk121/MelBrooks-goodtobeking.jpg)
Yep.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 11, 2011, 01:04:41 pm
I do kinda agree that maybe if they have done this from the begining with the ultimate line it would have turned out "better" but then again maybe not. I think loeb would have killed him off
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 11, 2011, 01:48:43 pm
I think loeb would have killed him off

Now where would you ever get that idea from?  ;D
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on August 11, 2011, 03:41:08 pm
I think loeb would have killed him off

Now where would you ever get that idea from?  ;D
lol
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 12, 2011, 05:05:19 am
Glad I stopped reading long ago, there's no way this is going to be a good idea

If you don't mind my asking, why such pessimism at the concept?
It sounds kind of like Spider-man meets Static and both of those work. Certainly the execution could disappoint but were you objecting to the idea? I'm just curious.

Just my kneejerk response as Ultimate was perhaps my favorite version of the character, I had read almost all of the first 100 issues and continued until Bagley left the title and I kinda trailed off.  I was very dismayed to hear they just killed Parker off and replaced him regardless of the race of the character.  From what I read of Static and Spiderman they are essentially the same character.  After reading Ultimate Aftermath it kinda soften the blow but still, I'm not loving this at all

Thanks for the reply, D.
So you're pissed off that they killed Peter Parker in your favorite version. Independent of who replaces him. I can understand that. Given that that's a done deal, are you open to checking out Miles Morales if it's done well? Again, I'm just genuinely curious.

I just picked up an issue of Ultimate Aftermath and I thought it was done well and I considered getting the one with Morales's first appearance but I decided to check it out later.  All in all I guess they did their job, they shocked me and got my attention
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 12, 2011, 05:39:43 am
Given that the same writer is going to write the new character, and looking at the few panels of the new guy we've seen he's pretty much the same personality, I don't see how it doesn't work big time. 

it will be interesting to see if Peter Parker starts to "pale" in comparison, the way original Nick compares to Ultimate Nick Fury. 

I don't see how killing off an iconic character only to replace him with someone who acts essentially the same is gonna work.  I mean what was the point of changing characters to begin with if all you're going to end up with is Peter Darker?

Ultimate Nick Fury isn't a product of an in universe character change and he was never all that popular anyway.  Changing things for him worked out great but I don't see how the Spider-Man thing will work like that
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 12, 2011, 08:00:44 am
I mean what was the point of changing characters to begin with if all you're going to end up with is Peter Darker?

Ultimate Nick Fury isn't a product of an in universe character change and he was never all that popular anyway.  Changing things for him worked out great but I don't see how the Spider-Man thing will work like that
"Peter Darker"! 
We need to remember how few comics are actually sold.  There's plenty of room for growth.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 12, 2011, 12:12:53 pm
I mean what was the point of changing characters to begin with if all you're going to end up with is Peter Darker?

Ultimate Nick Fury isn't a product of an in universe character change and he was never all that popular anyway.  Changing things for him worked out great but I don't see how the Spider-Man thing will work like that
"Peter Darker"! 
We need to remember how few comics are actually sold.  There's plenty of room for growth.

I admit, I've been waiting to drop that line.  You like?  ;D

My thing is, I never was a fan on this forum of the "Black Version", I don't want a black spiderman, a black superman, black avengers, it's just rings hollow to me.  Alot of people use the example of Ultimate Nick Fury and it's true since his introduction he has basically become the Nick Fury used in basically every form of media format other than the 616, but he is a totally different character IMO from the original version even aside from the skin color, he's Nick Fury in name only.

What was refreshing about your Black Panther series was how great a character he was and how rich the storylines were.  He wasn't just a run of the mill crimefighter, he was a king and badass at that, not a superhero dipped in caramel.  Sorry for rambling
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 12, 2011, 10:48:55 pm
D-Ruck ur post count is 666!!!! :o

lol that's cool if you don't like it. It's better than saying that it's a "gimmick" for some reason that term makes the hairs on my neck stand up.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 13, 2011, 06:56:51 am
I generally agree that things shouldn't be the "black" whatever....like, I don't want to do the "black" Vanity Fair.  I want to create an original magazine but Vanity Fair might be one of the reference points. 

That said, weird world of comics, these brands mean a lot.  And it's not an either/or strategy.  Black Spider Man is a big deal.  And his success will help black characters period.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Open palm on August 13, 2011, 04:38:07 pm
I don't collect the Ultimate titles. But this was the most brilliant way to introduce a black Spider-Man. Ultimate Peter Parker is dead. A new day begins.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 13, 2011, 06:56:59 pm
I generally agree that things shouldn't be the "black" whatever....like, I don't want to do the "black" Vanity Fair.  I want to create an original magazine but Vanity Fair might be one of the reference points. 

That said, weird world of comics, these brands mean a lot.  And it's not an either/or strategy.  Black Spider Man is a big deal.  And his success will help black characters period.

Is that what you think they mean by "gimmick". I drop in on forums to say that the term is suspect and all hell breaks loose.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 13, 2011, 07:18:15 pm
Is that what you think they mean by "gimmick". I drop in on forums to say that the term is suspect and all hell breaks loose.

My "gimmick-sense" seems to go off whenever something is revealed/spoiled to the press before comic fans actually have a chance to read it.  

The new spider-man is revealed to be black and hispanic before people get a chance to read the book?  Gimmick.
Captain America and the Human Torch's deaths are spoiled in the press before the book comes out?  Gimmick.
Batwoman is revealed to be a lesbian in the press before she "comes out" in the comics? Gimmick.

Now Reness Montaya being a lesbian was not a gimmick.  She was well known by this generation from Batman: The Animated Series, but it just was part of a really interesting story.  No need to shout it from the roof tops for non comic readers while spoiling the story for loyal readers.

But just because something is a gimmick doesn't mean it can't also be a good story.  That all depends on the quality and popularity of the book once the initial announcement has worn off.

Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 13, 2011, 08:37:57 pm
USA Today is NOT going to run a story about Montoya being gay.  wouldnt even put it on the back page.
cap, torch and spidey will not only sell comics, but newspapers as well.
plus puttin' a spoiler out like that might get former and new readers into LCBS and they might buy other stuff. i see a lot of possible winners.
the death of black goliath? not even in a highlights magazines.
i mean if marvel wrapped him in a tarp and buried him in a hole...  then u know a major publication won't care about him
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 13, 2011, 09:46:02 pm
cap, torch and spidey will not only sell comics, but newspapers as well.

But for me, the fact that they care more about press than respecting me as a 20+ year comic reader is a major turn off.  I don't want my comics spoiled in the USA Today.  I want to read them and be surprised.  I started reading around x-men 1 but the first real event i remember was fatal attractions.  Magneto ripping Wolverine's adamantium through his pours rocked my world.  I never saw it coming and it affected me as a comic reader for months to come.  These days I would have read about that online 3 days before it happens and would have ruined the experience for me.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Open palm on August 14, 2011, 03:32:06 am
Is this really a gimmick? Have they been resurrecting dead Ultimate characters lately? Did anybody even notice how they've been killing off so many Ultimate characters since its launch? If they stick to this character then it's not a gimmick, it's progress.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Open palm on August 14, 2011, 03:35:44 am
USA Today is NOT going to run a story about Montoya being gay.  wouldnt even put it on the back page.

Renee Montoya and Maggie Sawyer are not popular DC characters. The public doesn't even know Montoya succeeded the Question after he died. Aside from AfterEllen.com, the media doesn't even know that DC supervillain Scandal Savage married her girlfriend, Liann, and her newly resurrected girlfriend, Knockout.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 07:33:05 am
Is that what you think they mean by "gimmick". I drop in on forums to say that the term is suspect and all hell breaks loose.

My "gimmick-sense" seems to go off whenever something is revealed/spoiled to the press before comic fans actually have a chance to read it.  

The new spider-man is revealed to be black and hispanic before people get a chance to read the book?  Gimmick.
Captain America and the Human Torch's deaths are spoiled in the press before the book comes out?  Gimmick.
Batwoman is revealed to be a lesbian in the press before she "comes out" in the comics? Gimmick.

Now Reness Montaya being a lesbian was not a gimmick.  She was well known by this generation from Batman: The Animated Series, but it just was part of a really interesting story.  No need to shout it from the roof tops for non comic readers while spoiling the story for loyal readers.

But just because something is a gimmick doesn't mean it can't also be a good story.  That all depends on the quality and popularity of the book once the initial announcement has worn off.



That's fine you feel that way. I get on a certain board to express my concern with the tone of those posters and they are jumping up and down about me calling them racists when I didnt even say they were! All I was saying is that if you don't want to be called one don't SOUND like one..big difference.


I mean they asked ME if I called them that and then they get upset when I try to rationalize!!??


RANT OVER
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 07:45:25 am
Is that what you think they mean by "gimmick". I drop in on forums to say that the term is suspect and all hell breaks loose.

My "gimmick-sense" seems to go off whenever something is revealed/spoiled to the press before comic fans actually have a chance to read it.  

The new spider-man is revealed to be black and hispanic before people get a chance to read the book?  Gimmick.
Captain America and the Human Torch's deaths are spoiled in the press before the book comes out?  Gimmick.
Batwoman is revealed to be a lesbian in the press before she "comes out" in the comics? Gimmick.

Now Reness Montaya being a lesbian was not a gimmick.  She was well known by this generation from Batman: The Animated Series, but it just was part of a really interesting story.  No need to shout it from the roof tops for non comic readers while spoiling the story for loyal readers.

But just because something is a gimmick doesn't mean it can't also be a good story.  That all depends on the quality and popularity of the book once the initial announcement has worn off.



Secondly, most things in comics these days is kinda stunty. No one says much because it's common knowledge and we know they have the right and need to sell their products. So why is THIS such a big deal??
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 14, 2011, 07:50:38 am
cap, torch and spidey will not only sell comics, but newspapers as well.

But for me, the fact that they care more about press than respecting me as a 20+ year comic reader is a major turn off.  I don't want my comics spoiled in the USA Today.  I want to read them and be surprised.  I started reading around x-men 1 but the first real event i remember was fatal attractions.  Magneto ripping Wolverine's adamantium through his pours rocked my world.  I never saw it coming and it affected me as a comic reader for months to come.  These days I would have read about that online 3 days before it happens and would have ruined the experience for me.

This is one of the aspects of the comic industry that strikes me as odd - the sense of proprietorship on the part of the customers (and no offense intended towards you Jesse, I think you articulate the expectations of many). What you describe as "gimmick" is routinely called advertising in other media. Frankly, I think the industry cares more about making money than respecting anybody. However, they suck at selling books and maybe that's not really an important component in their business model. Others have described the business shortcomings of the comic industry in depth on this forum. That said, shouldn't they be trying to create buzz in the press?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 07:56:45 am
cap, torch and spidey will not only sell comics, but newspapers as well.

But for me, the fact that they care more about press than respecting me as a 20+ year comic reader is a major turn off.  I don't want my comics spoiled in the USA Today.  I want to read them and be surprised.  I started reading around x-men 1 but the first real event i remember was fatal attractions.  Magneto ripping Wolverine's adamantium through his pours rocked my world.  I never saw it coming and it affected me as a comic reader for months to come.  These days I would have read about that online 3 days before it happens and would have ruined the experience for me.

This is one of the aspects of the comic industry that strikes me as odd - the sense of proprietorship on the part of the customers (and no offense intended towards you Jesse, I think you articulate the expectations of many). What you describe as "gimmick" is routinely called advertising in other media. Frankly, I think the industry cares more about making money than respecting anybody. However, they suck at selling books and maybe that's not really an important component in their business model. Others have described the business shortcomings of the comic industry in depth on this forum. That said, shouldn't they be trying to create buzz in the press?


Exactly what I was trying to say. This is SPIDER-MAN we're talking about!!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 14, 2011, 08:25:52 am
cap, torch and spidey will not only sell comics, but newspapers as well.

But for me, the fact that they care more about press than respecting me as a 20+ year comic reader is a major turn off.  I don't want my comics spoiled in the USA Today.  I want to read them and be surprised.  I started reading around x-men 1 but the first real event i remember was fatal attractions.  Magneto ripping Wolverine's adamantium through his pours rocked my world.  I never saw it coming and it affected me as a comic reader for months to come.  These days I would have read about that online 3 days before it happens and would have ruined the experience for me.

This is one of the aspects of the comic industry that strikes me as odd - the sense of proprietorship on the part of the customers (and no offense intended towards you Jesse, I think you articulate the expectations of many). What you describe as "gimmick" is routinely called advertising in other media. Frankly, I think the industry cares more about making money than respecting anybody. However, they suck at selling books and maybe that's not really an important component in their business model. Others have described the business shortcomings of the comic industry in depth on this forum. That said, shouldn't they be trying to create buzz in the press?

Marvel doesn't owe me anything.  But they way Marvel has been acting/marketing themselves over the past few years has turned me off as a reader and I barely read any of their books these days (5-10 years ago, I bought a lot more Marvel than DC).

Curtis, you asked "shouldn't they be trying to create buzz in the press?"  I have no problem with that.  But there is a difference between telling USA Today that a member of the Fantastic Four will die and telling them specifically that the Human Torch is going to die.  There is also a difference in telling them that Spider-Man died/is being replaced and telling the world the details of the book before it is released.  If these stunts really work, the books with still be there for the general public to flock to if the story is printed on the Thursday following it's release rather than the Tuesday before.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 08:29:37 am
I think this change in Spidey is news worthy though.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 14, 2011, 09:02:25 am
the problem with that jesse is that the story will be scooped by bloggers and fans so why spend money and newspaper space on something tyler from nevada already posted it.

plus will LCBS have enuff in stock if they wait until thursday?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on August 14, 2011, 09:33:26 am
Curtis, you asked "shouldn't they be trying to create buzz in the press?"  I have no problem with that.  But there is a difference between telling USA Today that a member of the Fantastic Four will die and telling them specifically that the Human Torch is going to die.  There is also a difference in telling them that Spider-Man died/is being replaced and telling the world the details of the book before it is released.  If these stunts really work, the books with still be there for the general public to flock to if the story is printed on the Thursday following it's release rather than the Tuesday before.

I see. You're not against promoting the books, just the execution. You want teasers, not spoilers. Right?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 14, 2011, 09:39:33 am
Oh gosh, I miss the old days of reading comicbooks where NO ONE knew what was going to happen each month. Not like today with the advent of the internet. Back then, it was like picking up a daily newpaper.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 14, 2011, 09:55:04 am
I see. You're not against promoting the books, just the execution. You want teasers, not spoilers. Right?

That's correct.  I expect spoilers to be out there before the release of a movie or a comic, but don't want to see it come from the movie studio or comic publisher.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 10:21:12 am
I agree with this too. Your expression of your disappointment is more sensible than some of this vitriol I am seeing around the net tho lol.

I have always said that I think the periodical nature of comics is starting to fade away. It's all about trades and more episodic/event driven storytelling. That's not a complaint but just an observation. I mean these characters and the books will always be around but it's leaning towards that i think.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 14, 2011, 10:31:19 am

I have always said that I think the periodical nature of comics is starting to fade away. It's all about trades and more episodic/event driven storytelling.

I'm kind of with you.  I think the numbering of comics this is done.  I'd rather just every year be a new volume, 1-12, because with all of the renumbering, then magical changes back to original numbering, i have no idea where to stick my books these days.

I'm still a fan of getting my books in a monthly format though, but I think that's just because it can be easy to fear change :)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 10:38:08 am

I have always said that I think the periodical nature of comics is starting to fade away. It's all about trades and more episodic/event driven storytelling.

I'm kind of with you.  I think the numbering of comics this is done.  I'd rather just every year be a new volume, 1-12, because with all of the renumbering, then magical changes back to original numbering, i have no idea where to stick my books these days.

I'm still a fan of getting my books in a monthly format though, but I think that's just because it can be easy to fear change :)


I think that is the thing though. THe only thing keeping them from publishing like you proposed are old school readers like us and not to mention it is the way of things for their entire existence. I wouldn't even mind if they just published their entire arcs in trades and released them that way. But then what would be the point of cliffhanger endings?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 14, 2011, 10:41:43 am
All this will change dramatically with digital distribution.  Without having to do solicitations to retail months in advance, publishers will be able to really keep things a secret.  Not so much the mainstream publishers, who will probably always maintain a presence in print, but new jack publishers who will originate in digital and go to print only if there's a real demand. 
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Vic Vega on August 14, 2011, 10:56:34 am
Oh gosh, I miss the old days of reading comicbooks where NO ONE knew what was going to happen each month. Not like today with the advent of the internet. Back then, it was like picking up a daily newpaper.

When Superman and Robin ''died'', hundreds of thousands of folks bought those issues to see the happening for themselves.

Even more in the case of Superman.

I cant blame the comics companies for trying to create a feeding frenzy for thier own products.

If by spoiling a comic they can get a million curiosity buyers and thier regular circulation isnt even 100,000 copies, they'd be fools NOT to do it.

What they have to do is figure out of to hold on to even a small percentage of the curiousty seekers.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 14, 2011, 11:01:46 am
What they have to do is figure out of to hold on to even a small percentage of the curiousty seekers.

Now that is true.  I was young and didn't read Superman back then.  I bought Superman 75 when he died and Adventures of Superman 500 when he returned but nothing in between and nothing for a long time after.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 11:07:15 am
Yeah maybe it's the distributors that are basis for these spoilers? They want the most orders possible so they give them an incentive to buy/distribute alot. Again not a complaint. A company has the right to make as much money as possible. I wonder though with this Spidey news as big as it is if they would have done it any way in this digital day and age.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 11:10:53 am
Oh gosh, I miss the old days of reading comicbooks where NO ONE knew what was going to happen each month. Not like today with the advent of the internet. Back then, it was like picking up a daily newpaper.

When Superman and Robin ''died'', hundreds of thousands of folks bought those issues to see the happening for themselves.

Even more in the case of Superman.

I cant blame the comics companies for trying to create a feeding frenzy for thier own products.

If by spoiling a comic they can get a million curiosity buyers and thier regular circulation isnt even 100,000 copies, they'd be fools NOT to do it.

What they have to do is figure out of to hold on to even a small percentage of the curiousty seekers.

Vic! Whats good just read your post over at CBR!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 14, 2011, 11:36:47 am
All this will change dramatically with digital distribution.  Without having to do solicitations to retail months in advance, publishers will be able to really keep things a secret.  Not so much the mainstream publishers, who will probably always maintain a presence in print, but new jack publishers who will originate in digital and go to print only if there's a real demand. 







Back-in-th'-day, it used to be as simple as walking into a non-comic shop, the book you would want would be showcased on a verticle spinner rack or verticle magazine shelf and it would be fun to see all the different comicbook covers TRY to entice you (as a reader) to pick it up.

I would love to read RedJack's latest re-launch of BlackJack but part of the problem lies in the distribution; I really don't want to travel 30+ miles to a comic shop to pick up a comicbook and I don't want to give this grimy local comic shop my business because I would be further contributing to the distribution problem.  Buying a comicbook from an independant also seems troublesome because I haven't figured out how to purchase without a credit card or trust the payment transaction system without giving information about myself.



Then there's the inflated cover price point but that's a discussion for another day...!(http://th827.photobucket.com/albums/zz192/denistephenson/smileys/smiley%20text/th_groooansmileyf.gif)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 14, 2011, 11:45:13 am
Back-in-th'-day, it used to be as simple as walking into a non-comic shop, the book you would want would be showcased on a verticle spinner rack or verticle magazine shelf and it would be fun to see all the different comicbook covers TRY to entice you (as a reader) to pick it up.

Those really were fun times.  Finding something fun and unexpected, begging my mom to get it for me, and getting pissed at Rite Aid staff for bending/ripping half of the books  ;D
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 14, 2011, 11:51:24 am
Those really were fun times.  Finding something fun and unexpected, begging my mom to get it for me, and getting pissed at Rite Aid staff for bending/ripping half of the books  ;D



Around my way, at Books-A-Million (a bookstore, not a comicshop) there this one cashier asshole who seems to have a nasty habit of bending my comicbooks when he bags 'em up at the register.   So annoying to have to tell him not to do that everytime I purchase a book from that place.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 01:00:15 pm
It is interesting that Bendis is taking these bold steps in terms of creating a new black character. But on the other side of that we have people like Hickman who more or less said they are afraid to write black characters. it does nothing for diversity in opinion.

 http://www.ifanboy.com/content/audio/Word_Balloon_Podcast_-_Jonathan_Hickman_Q_A_Part_One (http://www.ifanboy.com/content/audio/Word_Balloon_Podcast_-_Jonathan_Hickman_Q_A_Part_One) 1:16
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 14, 2011, 01:17:05 pm
It is interesting that Bendis is taking these bold steps in terms of creating a new black character. But on the other side of that we have people like Hickman who more or less said they are afraid to write black characters. it does nothing for diversity in opinion.

 [url]http://www.ifanboy.com/content/audio/Word_Balloon_Podcast_-_Jonathan_Hickman_Q_A_Part_One[/url] ([url]http://www.ifanboy.com/content/audio/Word_Balloon_Podcast_-_Jonathan_Hickman_Q_A_Part_One[/url]) 1:16
I didn't listen to his interview, but I respect feeling nervous about doing something wrong. 

I don't have a problem doing white, black, whatever characters, but there's a point of cultural specificity that makes me nervous.  Axel and I have talked about how ridiculous it that there aren't more Mexican superheroes, but I didn't feel comfortable writing one.  I'd rather find a Mexican writer and put him or her on.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 01:24:16 pm
Ok I respect your body of work and that you write on of my favorite characters. But how does a writer such as your self promote diversity in the books?

EDIT: Not trying to be snippy by the way. :D
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 14, 2011, 01:45:15 pm
I help talented people of color get jobs in the industry.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Moose100 on August 14, 2011, 01:50:19 pm
Ok I see. Interesting. So you think it is partly an authenticity issue and maybe there needs to be more diverse talent to tackle this problem? Thanks for answering my questions! It's rare I get to talk to an industry writer  ;D.  This is an issue that I have talking about around the net ESPECIALLY given the Spidey news.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 14, 2011, 10:03:18 pm
D-Ruck ur post count is 666!!!! :o

lol that's cool if you don't like it. It's better than saying that it's a "gimmick" for some reason that term makes the hairs on my neck stand up.

Good lookin out for that post count, lol

Look at this way, I been out of the loop for awhile so in my world, I'm basically coming out from under my rock to some crazy news
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Wise Son on August 15, 2011, 12:00:21 am
Hmm, I guess this is the right place to put this... (http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/angry/#comments)
(http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2011-08-15-angry.jpg)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Mastrmynd on August 15, 2011, 08:22:24 am
thats awesome Wise!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 15, 2011, 10:03:16 am
thats awesome Wise!



Yeah, I clipped the image!   This one's a keeper! :)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Catch22 on August 15, 2011, 10:19:51 am
That's too cool, Wise!  I love that, I'mma have to steal it! LOL
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on August 15, 2011, 04:50:27 pm
on a related note-- http://tinyurl.com/3tu6rwe
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 15, 2011, 07:06:01 pm
on a related note-- [url]http://tinyurl.com/3tu6rwe[/url]





Wow!  If I see that comicbook (Spider-Mom) on the shelves, I'm picking it up!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 15, 2011, 09:24:50 pm
on a related note-- [url]http://tinyurl.com/3tu6rwe[/url]





Wow!  If I see that comicbook (Spider-Mom) on the shelves, I'm picking it up!
It's only online, but it's a brilliant idea, and a great use of the medium.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on August 16, 2011, 10:17:10 am
Hmm, I guess this is the right place to put this... ([url]http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/angry/#comments[/url])
([url]http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2011-08-15-angry.jpg[/url])


THIS IS GREAT!!!!!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Wise Son on August 16, 2011, 11:38:49 am
Glad you guys liked it, even though the effect would have been better if ithad included Hal Jordan as a solitary White face (JLU reference FTW), or maybe even switch the gender of everyone except for Hal, to pissz off sexists too. ;)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on August 16, 2011, 01:46:17 pm
Glad you guys liked it, even though the effect would have been better if ithad included Hal Jordan as a solitary White face (JLU reference FTW), or maybe even switch the gender of everyone except for Hal, to pissz off sexists too. ;)
No, don't overthink.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 16, 2011, 06:28:27 pm
I don’t know why, but I really want to see more of the Black Aquaman.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Francisco on August 16, 2011, 06:30:32 pm
Would his archenemy be White Man? :D
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 16, 2011, 06:33:33 pm
Would his archenemy be White Man? :D

You mean White Manta?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Francisco on August 16, 2011, 06:35:05 pm
Would his archenemy be White Man? :D

You mean White Manta?
Yup that's what I meant.. Freudian slip right there LOL.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on August 16, 2011, 06:42:03 pm
Either that or the Great White Shark.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on August 16, 2011, 08:58:42 pm
On Twitter, I asked Mr. Bendis, would there be new Spidey villains, based on villains from the old 1960s TV show.. and--

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BRIANMBENDIS BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
@ @Hypestyles YES!

neat-- let the speculation begin..
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 16, 2011, 11:04:24 pm
Would his archenemy be White Man? :D

You mean White Manta?

I just found out Black Manta was actually black like a couple months ago.  Haven't been that shellshocked since I found out Samus from Metroid was a chick
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: JLI Jesse on August 17, 2011, 06:26:38 am
Would his archenemy be White Man? :D

You mean White Manta?

I just found out Black Manta was actually black like a couple months ago.  Haven't been that shellshocked since I found out Samus from Metroid was a chick

I hope the DCnU keeps the story of Black Manta killing Aquaman's baby.  To quote an overused line "This time, it's personal."  The hatred Arthur must feel was always very interesting to me.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on August 17, 2011, 07:41:04 am
I just found out Black Manta was actually black like a couple months ago.  Haven't been that shellshocked since I found out Samus from Metroid was a chick





Are you talking about the original Metroid?
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Marvelous on August 17, 2011, 12:29:24 pm
On Twitter, I asked Mr. Bendis, would there be new Spidey villains, based on villains from the old 1960s TV show.. and--

Quote
BRIANMBENDIS BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
@ @Hypestyles YES!

neat-- let the speculation begin..

I think that's pretty awesome Hype...thanks bro.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on August 24, 2011, 10:31:41 pm
I just found out Black Manta was actually black like a couple months ago.  Haven't been that shellshocked since I found out Samus from Metroid was a chick





Are you talking about the original Metroid?

yep old school NES
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on August 27, 2011, 09:03:46 pm
...And just think, after this current cycle of Spidey films with Andrew Garfield is done with (7-8 years?), Mr. Reggie can move in and be the director of the next trilogy, featuring the Miles character..   8)
There will have been several years worth of the comics' mythos established by then, several new villains to choose from.  The ideal young actor is only 7-8 years old now (and I think it would be silly to cast someone 18-ish playing 13), so time will tell..
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on September 14, 2011, 05:44:55 pm
Picked up issue 1;  if this is any indication of what's coming; this character could last a hundred issues (or more.)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on September 20, 2011, 06:47:48 am
Picked up issue 1;  if this is any indication of what's coming; this character could last a hundred issues (or more.)

Yeah, I can see that. I'm not a big fan of BMB, but he hit it out the park with this one.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: D- Ruck on September 21, 2011, 12:25:56 am
Picked up issue 1;  if this is any indication of what's coming; this character could last a hundred issues (or more.)

Yeah, I can see that. I'm not a big fan of BMB, but he hit it out the park with this one.

I liked it too, i'm not optimistic about 100 issues though.  It was a good story but we got a look at everybody's personality but his.  I hope he's not going to be so mopey and quiet for too long
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on September 26, 2011, 12:57:10 pm
hmm... from what we've seen so far-- spoilers
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..Uncle Aaron (kind of looks like mike epps?) is a professional thief (thought was deadpool at first, must've found a spare outfit, heh..)..

Hm, how long did 42-spider live after it escaped its box?  It's not clear..

..Are Miles' parents married? I guess we'll find out soon enough..

..Hm, no mention of the spider by the time Miles' dad shows up.. wonder if it's still wandering..

..first power flare-up: invisibility/blending?  curious..  Hope there are some more new powers as well, and natural webs..
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: stanleyballard on October 05, 2011, 09:43:22 pm
Finally read the first issue and thought it was cool and different...has some new elements and looks promising...
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Blanks on October 06, 2011, 03:42:30 pm
Only two issues in and I'm hooked! And Bendiest get props for introducing Ultimate Prowler into the ultimateverse! You know, I don't even care if we ever see aunt may or gwen or mj ever again.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on October 06, 2011, 08:56:29 pm
Only two issues in and I'm hooked! And Bendiest get props for introducing Ultimate Prowler into the ultimateverse! You know, I don't even care if we ever see aunt may or gwen or mj ever again.
It's liberating...new family, new powers...totally exciting. 
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on October 07, 2011, 05:17:37 am
You already know that he'll encounter his uncle in a confrontation. Why do I have a feeling his "uncle will die"
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: KIP LEWIS on October 09, 2011, 05:18:37 am
Hmm, does the Spider-man legend require Spider-man must have a death to motivate him????  Probably not, but the possibility of it means, no one in his family is "safe" in this origin story.
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: supreme illuminati on October 09, 2011, 10:23:10 pm
I didn't know about the connection to Bendis' personal life, but I knew Axel had been wanting to do this for a while.  We talked about it before the last relaunch of USM.

I had NO IDEA WHATSOEVER about the connection to Bendis' personal life,although I wanted to give Axel dap for this move...
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on December 30, 2011, 07:17:09 am
I like how Peter was his "Uncle Ben" moment
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Kristopher on April 11, 2012, 07:31:33 am
(http://www.orrenmerton.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2012-03-281.jpg)
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Battle on April 11, 2012, 09:44:00 am
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii205/lassie_faire/GIF%20central/Applause/thumbsupobama.gif)
Good one, Kristopher!
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: BmoreAkuma on April 11, 2012, 02:56:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atCfTRMyjGU

go to :24
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Hypestyle on April 11, 2012, 07:35:22 pm
I want to see an animated DVD of the upcoming Spider-Men comic mini series.  It would sell, guaranteed.  And already, the Internet is splintering again with bashing commentary.. lol..
Title: Re: The Power Of A Black Spider-Man
Post by: Emperorjones on April 12, 2012, 02:11:43 pm
Thanks for posting that cartoon Kristopher.