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Title: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 10, 2012, 10:38:17 am
TIME:

Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
The President might be on the right side of history, but he's on the wrong side of a crucial voting bloc
By TOURÉ | @Toure | May 9, 2012 |


They say the arc of history bends toward justice. If that’s true then as a nation we’re having a hard time bending on the issue of gay rights. But this week will be remembered as an historic turning point because President Obama threw political caution to the wind and came out as the man who can put principle over politics in announcing his support for marriage equality. “I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told Robin Roberts in an interview to appear on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Thursday.

Polls show America is trending toward embracing gay marriage. We now have a thin and growing majority that supports marriage equality. And we have the young Millennial generation strongly in favor of marriage equality while the older Boomers are firmly against. But national acceptance of gay marriage remains a long, hard slog. This week, North Carolina planted its feet in the past by becoming the 30th state to legally prohibit gay marriage and also abolished civil unions, thus enshrining romantic segregation in their state constitution. Separate and unequal in matters of the heart. We should all be ashamed that we’re still restricting civil rights to certain groups of Americans. Barring gays from marriage says their committed relationships don’t merit the protection or sanctity of marriage — an important step both socially and legally. It says their love and commitment is of lesser value. The sanctity of marriage in America has not been compromised by the thousands of married gay couples we already have. The institution of marriage was mocked by the sham made-for-TV 72 day marriage of Kim Kardashian and yet no bill has been proposed barring her from the altar.

In North Carolina we can see why the President’s position on marriage equality is so politically risky. Despite Presidents Obama and Clinton calling for the Amendment’s defeat, North Carolinians voted enthusiastically in favor of Amendment One with the highest turnout for a primary in 25 years. More than 500,000 people voted early, another primary record. Gay marriage is an issue that draws people to the polls in droves — even in a state where there was already a law banning same sex marriage. It is an issue that people on both sides of the debate feel deeply and intensely and one that could shape the election. For the President to support marriage equality will perhaps bring in big money from gay donors, will embolden some supporters who were disappointed by his equivocation about gay rights and who will be inspired by him standing up for what he believes. Trying to protect a legally oppressed group of Americans is what the bully pulpit is for. But this step could endanger him in the South and in heavily religious states and with black Americans. Supporting marriage equality could damage his chance for re-election as much as any other issue. It’s one that strikes deep into how people feel about the core values of their nation and their Bible.

The constituency calculus makes this choice politically risky for Obama. Black voters, who were critical to Obama’s ‘08 victory, are strongly against marriage equality. A recent Washington Post/ABC poll found 55% of blacks oppose gay marriage and 42% support it, which is almost the opposite of white voters — 53% support and 43% oppose. This opposition, I think, comes from what many blacks are told by their church. Black antipathy toward gay rights is so deep that the National Organization for Marriage was planning to use it as part of their strategy in their battle to prevent marriage equality. A secret memo revealed their “Not A Civil Right Project” whose goal was “to drive a wedge between gays and blacks.” They would do this by finding and publicizing blacks who’d object to gay marriage as a civil right thus provoking gay marriage supporters into “denouncing [them] as bigots.” The point was divide and conquer: “No politician wants to take up and push an issue that splits the base of the party.” And just like that blacks would become pawns of social conservatives, helping to block gays from a civil right.

I suspect it might have worked because I usually find that linking the gay rights struggle with the battle for racial justice in any way tends to elicit angry responses from many black people. Many show no empathy for gays as another legally oppressed minority and have no desire to see any similarity between the two historically oppressed identity groups. I hear people talk about  how much harder and more violent life has been for black Americans than gay Americans as if there’s an Oppression Olympics. The comparison is irrelevant. Hearing of the legalized discrimination of a group of people should send chills down black backs. We know what that feels like.

With blacks lagging behind the country on marriage equality but still a crucial bloc for Obama, the White House has made a courageous bet that black voters won’t punish him and that being on the right side of history will not eventually hurt him. Obama has seemed to want to overtly support marriage equality for a while — a year ago he said gays, “are our brothers, our sisters, our children, our cousins, our friends, our coworkers, and they’ve got to be treated like every other American … I think we’re moving in a direction of greater equality and — and I think that’s a good thing.” Meanwhile his administration has repealed Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, refused to back the Defense of Marriage Act, and expanded federal hate crime law to protect gays. Hillary Clinton, in Geneva in December, said, “Gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights.” And this week Vice President Biden said he was, “absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual men and women marrying one another are entitled to the same exact rights.” But, until now the President remained cautious about publicly favoring gay marriage. Does this mean North Carolina and other states that are staunchly anti-gay marriage are lost? Does it mean Obama would rather stand on principle and lose than be a politician and win? Or perhaps he sees this as part of a victory strategy that rebrands himself as the courageous politician who will take hard stands and will stand up for the people.



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Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 10, 2012, 11:52:45 am
Interesting. You would think hope that disagreeing on one social issue wouldn't trump support for the President.

On the other hand, I scratch my head at the single issue "Right to life" voters too.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Lion on May 10, 2012, 01:33:34 pm
"Right to Life" = "Right to Life (until you are born)"

I always found it interesting that the same people so virulently opposed to gay marriage for "Biblical" reasons seem to have no problem with divorcees remarrying people other than their exes.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: DRobinson on May 11, 2012, 07:48:59 am
While I believe Obama did the right thing, I don’t believe he threw “caution to the wind” as Toure’ writes. When Biden floated a trial balloon a week earlier, publically announcing his support of marriage equality, there is NO CHANCE that his statement was not orchestrated. That said, Obama is showing political courage by announcing a position perceived to be in opposition to a core group of supporters.

But what if black voters are really not as opposed to same sex marriage as most believe them to be?  Maybe Obama (and his handlers) have a better read on voter hot buttons than the rest of us. I think Obama may see a net gain in voter support as a result of his getting on the right side of this issue. We will know very soon.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Redjack on May 11, 2012, 08:20:53 am
i support marriage equality but if you say "gay is the new black" to me, that's the end of us talking.

Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 11, 2012, 12:04:35 pm
i support marriage equality but if you say "gay is the new black" to me, that's the end of us talking.

Yeah, that's crazy talk and it annoys me too. Our history and experience is unique, period.
I try to take a deep breath and remember that oppression is still wrong. Fuzzy thinking doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 12, 2012, 11:04:42 am
I don't have a problem with same sex marriage, however, had I not encountered two individuals in the past to help me understand the issue better, I would've believed that same sex marriages were an abomination to humankind.

The first person was an actor who worked as a waiter at a Mexican restaurant called Zarellas on the east side of mid-Manhattan and was a co-worker of my roommate. He was the first man I had ever met who was married to another guy and I remember thinking at the time that was the most odd thing I had ever heard. :-\  Dude had the wedding band on his finger and everything.

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/HEFharing_02-1.gif)
SLAM DUNK by Keith Haring

The other person was an artist I met at Washington Square Park in downtown Manhattan during a open street performance named Keith Haring who was generous enough to sign his autograph on the newspaper I was holding in my right hand. I didn't know anything about his sexual orientation or his personal life.  All I knew was his work that would appear in art galleries, shows, buildings, sculptures, subway trains, album covers or anywhere that had a flat surface.  Six months later, he had passed away and what I remember most, reading about him was that his last days was spent alone with his immediate family in the hospital but he could not legally be visited by his lover because he wasn't considered family nor could his lover inherit any possessions they both acquired and Mr. Haring was rich. His lover didn't get sh!t. I remember thinking that was the worst thing I had ever heard.

Of course, all of this was over 20 years ago,  which gave me a lot of time to think about this same sex marriage issue.
Here we have a sitting U.S. President who happens to be African-American who supports same sex marriage in 2012. If my Black U.S. President supports this issue, then so do I.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 13, 2012, 11:20:33 am
I'm glad that a prez have enough balls to flat out say it.

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I don't have a problem with same sex marriage, however, had I not encountered two individuals in the past to help me understand the issue better, I would've believed that same sex marriages were an abomination to humankind.
Good thing you had these encounters but at the same time one didn't need to have these to understand the bullsh*t of this debate. Marriages is a union of 2 people. It doesn't state anything regarding a Man and woman. Marriage is not a religious thing. It never was. It just some made up sh*t out of the asses of many whom claim this. It is simple 2 people love each other and they have every right to make it official. Why take it away from them? If I hear or view another random person on FB, youtube, twitter or anything else online bringing up another biblical quote im going to scream
wait........



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

that didnt take long at all ROFL.

Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Wise Son on May 13, 2012, 11:44:50 am
Out of interest, has anyone said they'd be OK with having civil / legal marriages for same-sex couples, and let religious organisations make up their own minds?
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 13, 2012, 12:37:32 pm
Good thing you had these encounters but at the same time one didn't need to have these to understand the bullsh*t of this debate. Marriages is a union of 2 people. It doesn't state anything regarding a Man and woman. Marriage is not a religious thing. It never was. It just some made up sh*t out of the asses of many whom claim this. It is simple 2 people love each other and they have every right to make it official. Why take it away from them? If I hear or view another random person on FB, youtube, twitter or anything else online...


Two men marrying each other back in the 80s was very bizarre to me.

Actually, I did need to understand the issue the way I did.  From what I understood, the concept of marriage (at least, in the U.S.) was originally and historically intended to be a legal union of 2 people (typically a man & a woman) to bring together 2 families all for the sole purpose of increasing ones wealth.  Today, people marry for different reasons.

This issue of same sex marriage is really about inheritance and what constitutes a family between 2 women and 2 men.  Very little to do about gay rights.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 13, 2012, 01:50:55 pm


Two men marrying each other back in the 80s was very bizarre to me.

Actually, I did need to understand the issue the way I did.  From what I understood, the concept of marriage (at least, in the U.S.) was originally and historically intended to be a legal union of 2 people (typically a man & a woman) to bring together 2 families all for the sole purpose of increasing ones wealth.  Today, people marry for different reasons.

This issue of same marriage is really about inheritance and what constitutes a family between 2 women and 2 men.  Very little to do about gay rights.
Truthfully it was "bizarre" but that was more based one's upbringing. It isn't anymore bizarre that this is the same decade that said "aids came from gay people".

There have always been different reasons in marrying another this is nothing new. It is more of the culture where one comes from than anything else. Unfortunately most cultures aren't cool with gays marrying one another.

Now as many "baby mamas and baby daddies" out there whose to say that a "family" exist at all?

Out of interest, has anyone said they'd be OK with having civil / legal marriages for same-sex couples, and let religious organisations make up their own minds?
the sad part is that happens already
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 13, 2012, 02:45:06 pm
Now as many "baby mamas and baby daddies" out there whose to say that a "family" exist at all?






You'll get no arguement from me there.



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There have always been different reasons in marrying another this is nothing new. It is more of the culture where one comes from than anything else. Unfortunately most cultures aren't cool with gays marrying one another.





Of course, they do but I'm gonna let you in on a little secret:
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z288/Nymphsin/Smilies/whisper.gif)(whisper)The majority of people get married in America for financial security.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 13, 2012, 04:49:00 pm


Of course, they do but I'm gonna let you in on a little secret:
([url]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z288/Nymphsin/Smilies/whisper.gif[/url])(whisper)The majority of people get married in America for financial security.
And since many gays especially men have a tendency to make more money than their straight counterparts why cant gays get married
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 13, 2012, 08:16:10 pm
And since many gays especially men have a tendency to make more money than their straight counterparts why cant gays get married



Are you asking me?   I've already written that I don't have a problem with same sex marriages.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 13, 2012, 08:49:51 pm
And since many gays especially men have a tendency to make more money than their straight counterparts why cant gays get married



Are you asking me?   I've already written that I don't have a problem with same sex marriages.
no just commenting on you point thats all
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Redjack on May 13, 2012, 09:51:58 pm
Out of interest, has anyone said they'd be OK with having civil / legal marriages for same-sex couples, and let religious organisations make up their own minds?

that's how it should be. if a group of christians feel gay marriage is fine, if the law allows it, you'd just see  more splinters off the main line.

we have all sorts of christians now so it wouldn't be much trouble to have a few more sects.

frankly it's  time a good many people grew up.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: TripleX on May 14, 2012, 07:36:48 pm
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Marvelous on May 14, 2012, 10:21:46 pm
Nope, not this one.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 15, 2012, 06:26:18 am
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
If he loses the election based off this then this country is more backwards than I thought.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Francisco on May 15, 2012, 09:57:41 am
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
If he loses the election based off this then this country is more backwards than I thought.
I think it's the other way around it may win him the election.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 15, 2012, 11:33:31 am
I think Jay Z's endorsement points out the generational difference in the response within the black community. 


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May 15, 2012 3 Comments

   

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*Count Jay-Z among the celebrities backing President Obama for his support of gay marriage.

“I’ve always thought it as something that was still holding the country back,” the rapper told CNN, referring to bans on same-sex marriage. “What people do in their own homes is their business and you can choose to love whoever you love. That’s their business. [It] is no different than discriminating against blacks. It’s discrimination plain and simple.”

One of the president’s most skeptical constituencies, in fact, is the African American community, as many of its religious leaders are skeptical of gay marriage; ABC News reported on Monday that Obama reached out to many of the top pastors to explain himself on the issue, with many calling themselves “conflicted.”

For his part, Jay-Z shrugged off the potential loss of support — not because he didn’t believe it would happen, but because he said that backing gay marriage was more important than winning votes.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 15, 2012, 01:03:03 pm

For his part, Jay-Z shrugged off the potential loss of support — not because he didn’t believe it would happen, but because he said that backing gay marriage was more important than winning votes.
It is almost like the same thing Kennedy did where he had to "explain himself" to the religous leaders http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 15, 2012, 02:17:05 pm

For his part, Jay-Z shrugged off the potential loss of support — not because he didn’t believe it would happen, but because he said that backing gay marriage was more important than winning votes.
It is almost like the same thing Kennedy did where he had to "explain himself" to the religous leaders [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600[/url]
Yes, the difference is having to explain to people why church and state have always been separate.

I wonder how many of these black ministers are paid under the table by white conservatives.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Redjack on May 15, 2012, 02:34:43 pm
WHAT? No. The hell you say.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: TripleX on May 15, 2012, 02:39:20 pm
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
If he loses the election based off this then this country is more backwards than I thought.
I think it's the other way around it may win him the election.

All I know is I'm one of the 39% of North Carolinians that voted a week ago in vain, and Romney -for the first time- has the lead in the latest polls.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 15, 2012, 02:50:17 pm
I wonder how many of these black ministers are paid under the table by white conservatives.
0.

Many of them are just as bad as their white counterparts among the "leaders"
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Vic Vega on May 15, 2012, 04:15:29 pm
One of the president’s most skeptical constituencies, in fact, is the African American community, as many of its religious leaders are skeptical of gay marriage; ABC News reported on Monday that Obama reached out to many of the top pastors to explain himself on the issue, with many calling themselves “conflicted.”

The same 'top pastors" who were backing Hillary in the last election until they saw how the wind was blowing?

The only reason that many of these S.O.B's have any credibility at all is because folks weren't paying attention in the first place.

If the Black religious are actually dumb enough to let an issue that has no effect on them in any way sway thier support in an election between Obama and Mitt Romney for God's sake, they richly deserve the ass reaming that 4 years of President Romney will give them.

Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 15, 2012, 05:10:16 pm
WASHINGTON POST:

Posted at 07:02 AM ET, 05/15/2012
Voters split on Obama's gay marriage announcement
By Jon Cohen
Voters divide straight down the middle on President Obama’s recent statement that he supports allowing gays and lesbians to get married, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

As with the issue itself, views of the president’s major announcement last week are closely related to partisanship, education and age, with Democrats, more highly educated and younger adults generally supportive of Obama’s move. But there also a twist to the latest breakdowns: although African Americans typically oppose gay marriage, most in the new poll have favorable impressions of Obama’s support of it.


Overall, voters split 46 percent in favor of the move, and 46 percent opposed to it. Intensity runs marginally against the president’s statement supporting legal gay marriage. White Protestants are the most stridently opposed.

Fully 70 percent of Democrats express favorable opinions of the Democratic president’s move, as do 49 percent of independents (43 percent hold unfavorable ones). Republicans are lined up on the other side, with 76 percent holding unfavorable views, including 65 percent “strongly unfavorable” impressions.

Age is a similarly big divider, with more than six in 10 adults under 30 years old supportive of the president’s announcement, and a similar proportion of seniors opposed to it.

More than half of all African Americans in the poll back the president’s statement: 54 percent have favorable impressions; 37 percent unfavorable ones. The sample size of black respondents is relatively small in this poll (results have a more than 10-point error margin), but the results are an intriguing contrast to where African-American opinion has been on the subject of gay marriage.

In a large-scale Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll in November, 58 percent of African Americans called same-sex marriage “unacceptable;” far fewer, 35 percent said it was “acceptable” in terms of their own values and morals.

Nearly two-thirds of those who live in states that have legalized gay marriage have positive views of Obama’s statement; in the 31 states where the practice is banned by voter preference, it’s a more even 41 percent in favor, 51 percent opposed.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 16, 2012, 05:25:03 am
Pastor David manning is going to have a field day with this. I bet his youtube page have a ton a of views now.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 16, 2012, 07:54:04 am
(http://s2.tinypic.com/1zdww08_th.jpg)Hm.
Morning News

Monday, May 14, 2012 
Opinion, Page 9A


Reviewing history, 100 years ago women were considered chattel, could not vote and had no rights or entitlement to thier husband's estate upon death of that husband or divorce (women could not have an "estate" unless they were part of the ultra rich/priviledge). Fifty years ago, it was illegal for interracial couples to marry, let alone been seen in public. Today, none of this is true or even considered surprising.

Today, the far "Christian" right is up in arms about giving the same righta and priviledges to gay couples that heterosexual couples not only enjoy, but expect and benefit from.  One of the most outspoken defenders of the "sanctity" of marriage has been married three times.

He divorced his previous two wives while they were in precarious situations as if he was throwing out the trash. The current divorce rate is hovering around 50 percent so exactly how sanctified is this institution?

With about half of all the marriages ending in divorce, who has the right to deny this institution to anyone? How does it immediately affect you? You have the right to forbid it in your home but not anyone else's. It's none of your business.

As one comedian said after the first state passage of the right for gay people to marry: "Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"



JOANNE HAFTER
Columbia, South Carolina
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Vic Vega on May 16, 2012, 08:06:30 am
Pastor David manning is going to have a field day with this. I bet his youtube page have a ton a of views now.

Manning is the sort of dude that I actually HOPE is taking payola.

I'd hate to think that his exercises in coonery were his own idea.

Dude is what Uncle Rukus would be if he had a church.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 16, 2012, 08:17:47 am
Pastor David manning is going to have a field day with this. I bet his youtube page have a ton a of views now.

Manning is the sort of dude that I actually HOPE is taking payola.

I'd hate to think that his exercises in coonery were his own idea.

Dude is what Uncle Rukus would be if he had a church.
thing is Uncle Rukus did have one in the first season. So maybe the boondocks were commenting on someone like him
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 16, 2012, 02:32:46 pm
Out of interest, has anyone said they'd be OK with having civil / legal marriages for same-sex couples, and let religious organisations make up their own minds?

I believe that is the de facto interpretation of President Obama's expression of support. It would be a matter of law, not religion. That's certainly my view. But then I don't much care what religious organizations think.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: JLI Jesse on May 16, 2012, 03:17:57 pm
It would be a matter of law, not religion. That's certainly my view. But then I don't much care what religious organizations think.

100% agree
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Curtis Metcalf on May 17, 2012, 05:09:27 am
Fully 70 percent of Democrats express favorable opinions of the Democratic president’s move, as do 49 percent of independents (43 percent hold unfavorable ones). Republicans are lined up on the other side, with 76 percent holding unfavorable views, including 65 percent “strongly unfavorable” impressions.

Age is a similarly big divider, with more than six in 10 adults under 30 years old supportive of the president’s announcement, and a similar proportion of seniors opposed to it.

So it's unpopular among those who weren't going to vote for him anyway. With an edge among independents. And there's evidence of that generational gap Reginald mentioned across the whole population. This might work out politically after all.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 17, 2012, 02:31:14 pm
Sadly still no one has provided a reason other than "the bible says"
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 18, 2012, 08:46:55 pm
Sadly still no one has provided a reason other than "the bible says"
Because they don't have to courage to say in public "gays creep me out".
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 19, 2012, 04:18:15 am
But then you have some whom "dont care" but say "god will judge them" I just leave that sh*t alone and keep it moving. Don't feel like it anymore nowadays
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Reginald Hudlin on May 24, 2012, 08:02:33 pm
Proof that Obama is truly a leader that black folks respect...that's a big change in a short time. 

EURWEB:

Obama’s Gay Marriage Position Now Favorable with Blacks Says Poll
May 24, 2012

*After President Barack Obama announced his support of gay marriage, the expected outrage dwindled down quickly. His endorsement generated a new movement among traditional blacks.

According to a Washington Post-ABC survey, more African Americans now support same-sex marriage.

Some 59 percent of blacks (who took the poll) say they support the president’s stance on gay marriage and believe it should be legalized.

In 2009, only 39 percent of the black American population supported gay marriage.

Another poll released by Public Policy Polling also delivered similar results.

Despite the recently released research, some still believe that African Americans will generally remain traditional on this topic and will not condone gay marriage. And Obama’s “coming out,” critics say, will not dramatically alter black opinions on homosexuality.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Emperorjones on May 25, 2012, 03:11:46 pm
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I don't think it's going to matter. For one, I am skeptical of the mainstream media's blithe assertions that blacks are more anti-gay than other Americans. I do believe that homophobia exists in the black community, but I think it exists in other communities as well. I think there is a tendency to sometimes try to play up black prejudice in an attempt to absolve white prejudice.

But back to the point, I don't think it's really going to matter. There might be a slight uptick in the number of blacks who might not vote for Obama, but it doesn't mean they will vote for Romney. They just won't vote period, or not for president. However, if blacks aren't upset enough to take the President to task for the depression level economic conditions in the black community during his term, they aren't going to abandon him in droves now.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 26, 2012, 02:29:28 am
But back to the point, I don't think it's really going to matter. There might be a slight uptick in the number of blacks who might not vote for Obama, but it doesn't mean they will vote for Romney. They just won't vote period, or not for president. However, if blacks aren't upset enough to take the President to task for the depression level economic conditions in the black community during his term, they aren't going to abandon him in droves now.



Our 'gop friends' have already started posting up thier campaign signs around my way in the same spots where the McCain/Palin signs were. ;D  One read something like:
"STOP OBAMA! Get America Working again. Vote for Andre Bauer."
I had never seen anything like this before, a political campaign sign that promotes the candidate and blatantly protests the opponent simultaneously.
Black people had better show up to vote President Obama in for a second term, if they know what's good for them, quoting Vic Vega "they richly deserve the ass reaming that 4 years of President Romney will give them."
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Emperorjones on May 26, 2012, 03:54:49 am
How different will that be from the ass reaming they are getting now, from the soul brother in the White House? I'm sorry, but I think we need to move beyond these scare tactics. And we as a community should demand more from the Democrats instead of just giving into that fear all the time. Every election it's the same thing from the Democrats, "We might not have done much for you but at least we're better than the Republicans." And we eat it up and settle for second class treatment.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 26, 2012, 05:00:39 am
How different will that be from the ass reaming they are getting now, from...






(http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/23.gif) Hold up...
That ass reaming you referred to is  called 'gridlock' in Congress.  It is what happens when the opposing party 'disagrees' with the people or party in power and it happens in stages and levels.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Emperorjones on May 26, 2012, 03:08:21 pm
^
Don't get me wrong Congress is a part of it, but what was the excuse when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House? Even now they control the White House and the Senate.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 26, 2012, 06:29:52 pm
^
Don't get me wrong Congress is a part of it, but what was the excuse when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House? Even now they control the White House and the Senate.




I think I've heard this question coming from you before but before that question is answered, here is a summary of what measures the opposition has taken since the day Barack Obama has taken an oath as President of the United States on Inauguration Day.

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/HEFsip_01.gif)  Thier plan (in 4 phases) was to:


We are already at the 4th phase in this summary.  Any and everyone involved followed this agenda.  This is how you undermine an American President who intends to 'do the right thing'.  There are only two individuals here at HEF who has opinions that follows this  plan... michealintp and you

Where do you stand now?
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Emperorjones on May 27, 2012, 10:11:40 am
First of all, it is a matter of debate if the President 'intends to do the right thing,' especially how I would view it. Also if you have seen any of my exchanges with Michael in various forums we generally don't agree on much, so I think it is disingenuous to lump us together.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 27, 2012, 11:16:37 am
First of all, it is a matter of debate if the President 'intends to do the right thing,' especially how I would view it. Also if you have seen any of my exchanges with Michael in various forums we generally don't agree on much, so I think it is disingenuous to lump us together.








It's no longer a debate if you 'disagree' with everything the president stands for.

The discussion becomes routine.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Emperorjones on May 27, 2012, 07:03:30 pm
Who said I disagreed with everything the president stands for, or claims to? For me it's not an issue of opposing the president from an ideological perspective. He says a lot of nice things, but where I am skeptical is how he has governed. So the talking part is mostly good for me, but it's the doing where I have issues with his administration.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 27, 2012, 08:25:36 pm
Who said I disagreed with everything the president stands for, or claims to? For me it's not an issue of opposing the president from an ideological perspective. He says a lot of nice things, but where I am skeptical is how he has governed. So the talking part is mostly good for me, but it's the doing where I have issues with his administration.
very fair assessment. I have a slight no scratch that issue with the abandonment of the Space Shuttle program
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 27, 2012, 08:29:07 pm
very fair assessment. I have a slight no scratch that issue with the abandonment of the Space Shuttle program




NASA is not abandoned, just being restructured...   for now.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: BmoreAkuma on May 27, 2012, 08:42:46 pm
very fair assessment. I have a slight no scratch that issue with the abandonment of the Space Shuttle program




NASA is not abandoned, just being restructured...   for now.
I never said NASA as a whole. I was just bringing up one part of it. Like constellation for example

If you dont know it ended on 2011 so the "private sector" can do it instead
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 27, 2012, 08:48:17 pm
I never said NASA as a whole. I was just bringing up one part of it. Like constellation for example

If you dont know it ended on 2011 so the "private sector" can do it instead





Yes, I'm aware of this.
In fact, there was a successful launch from an independant rocket a few days ago, headed for the space station.  I haven't been keeping tabs on it closely because I'm busy with other stuff but I'll be looking out for any news when it docks.
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Magic Wand on May 30, 2012, 01:25:14 pm
I never said NASA as a whole. I was just bringing up one part of it. Like constellation for example

If you dont know it ended on 2011 so the "private sector" can do it instead






Yes, I'm aware of this.
In fact, there was a successful launch from an independant rocket a few days ago, headed for the space station.  I haven't been keeping tabs on it closely because I'm busy with other stuff but I'll be looking out for any news when it docks.




Check out the Traveling Space Museum:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Traveling-Space-Museum-Inc/384133601598542
Title: Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
Post by: Battle on May 31, 2012, 08:25:17 am
Thank You, Ms. Wandi! :)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w184/Battle-D/HEFdragon_01.jpg)
Here's a shot of Space X (Space Exploration Technologies, Inc.), Dragon, an unmanned space capsule ready to make a splashdown from the ISS (International Space Station) any minute today.