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Chad's own brother saw through the BS, and is calling it for what it is. They ain't doing it out of respect for Chadwick. They are doing it to remove a powerful Black man and taking the king out of hos own franchise and going for a "safer" option. Abd it's a shame people are eating it up and actually believe this is somehow respectful to all of Chad's hard work

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Courtesy of Chesterfield from the CBR

Quote from: Chesterfield
Yoooooooooo

Chadwick's brother weighs in on what many of us T'Challa fans are pissed about. The part you want starts at 16:55.

Be advised, the whole video is 100% worth watching.

https://youtu.be/88wOdLsvZRM


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Well I find it interesting that when it comes up. People will say "with prep time, Batman wins" while ignoring T'Challa does that too and was known for prep before it became Batmans thing

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Yeah I saw that, granted the source is we got this covered and they are notorious for just making wild claims.

But yes it's a ness and a recast would of been the smarter choice.

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I mean, there is no research done it's just a list which doesn't even cover half the stuff of the characters, and doesn't explain why Batman would lose other than his determination...? A better comparison would be Black Panther vs Batman death battle

https://youtu.be/tD9WCpNFpnY

Atleast they do SOME research to explain the outcome even though they missed stuff.


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Thing is that we have seen reboots, and recasts. Characters that have existed for so long should and will have different takes. If it's a character like say, Brian from the fast franchise where walker essentially defined the character for years. I still think that if walker passed after the first movie and the second was already green lit they would recast.

I would somewhat accept if they didn't have time for the sequel and so T'Challa is out but will be back for the 3rd and continue his story. But this snuffing him out for the remainder of this MCU timeline is wrong. I also agree with how female characters are treated to display characteristics deem toxic if males do it.

I felt valkyrie was like that wasn't the case with BP as I felt the characters were strong but not to the level of toxic. They felt real. Abd could make mistakes.  But otherwise I do agree. It's pandering and overall leads to dull characters with no depth to them.

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@ Curry

Just to address something, of you go to the CBR forum, Redjack aka Geoffrey Thorne, has been talking about his one shot. And how's he has been talking, nah it's bot going to be passing the buck to Shuri. Basically it's going to be SWaD again with T'Challa unabated, and powerful


Iíll look Ezyo, what black Panther thread is this on and what page exactly?  Iíd like to see.

Also..

.ĒSome wanted T'Challa gone/replaced long before Chad's death, and I fear they're using his passing as a launching pad. I urge actually Black Panther comic fans, and those simply fans of seeing our black boys and black girls both shine, to sign this petition and let it be known we wouldn't settle for one or the other.Ē -from the petition

I fully believe this and this is all Iíve been saying,  This is an opportunity for certain segments to take advantage and kill off TChalla, letting him die with Boseman so Shuri can take over and make Wakanda a mostly fierce black woman queendom and nation.  And itíll mostly work in todayís climate where media and other outlets seem to really be uplifting black women, especially over black males.

I just argued with a friend who is for the recast who has daughters and believes Shuri should be given a chance.  Believes the hype about respecting Bosemanís legacy and not recasting and feels the other characters are strong and varied enough to explore further in the sequel,  Again, many are saying this.  And I do feel itís because Tchallaís supporting cast nearly outshone him in the movie.  Some liked and actually agreed with Killmonger so much that they think he should come back and redeem himself by taking the mantle and continue with his original plan in a more politically correct way.  TChalla was demonized a bit for not helping people outside of Wakanda in the movie, despite that he learned the error of this later.  The fact supporting characters were already doing this made him look clueless and oblivious to this.  I say again, a lot was given to the supporting characters and not enough to TChalla and this is why going on without him is plausible.  They made the movie a ďfamilyĒ thing and not one centered on the main protagonist.

You think they would have continued with Thor or Captain America without Thor or Steve Rogers?  Even with Jane Foster taking the mantle (which will likely prove not popular as it didnít in the comics) Thor still exists.

I can't give the specifics of every post he made, I can tell you where it's starts

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?133550-Black-Panther-Appreciation-2020/page630&p=5239275#post5239275

And then he just comments throughout the entirety of the thread, given snippets and teases. Sorry I can't be more helpful

Again I'm going to argue that it doesn't matter if T'Challa was the only focus outside Erik and Nakia. The fact that black women were portrayed positively, and Shuri exists and takes the mantle in the comics, that's ll the ammunition people need. Black men are always the exception to the rule. This is something we are constantly shown time and time again. Black male protagonist gets sidelined for a female supporting Cast.  It wouldn't happen to Thor or Cap but they will always do this to black male characters. If T'Challa was the sole focus or less development was given to the cast they would simply continue on the mantra of "Chadwick held such a presence and command of the movie that we can't see anyone replicating that. So in honor of Chadwick T'Challa will not be recast" or along those lines.

Either way, unless there were no female characters and the males characters were killed off or evil. I see the exact same result based on Disney's responses


Can't speak for A. Curry here, and though I agree with much of what you're saying, I don't when it comes to Thor. Thor is being pushed to the side. His throne has already been given to Valkyrie, he was made into a fat comic relief character in Endgame, and Jane Foster will have his mantle in the next film. Now, by the end of Love & Thunder, he might have the throne or be the one true Thor again, but that doesn't erase that he was pushed to the side.

Yes, Thor has had three movies and been in others, so he's gotten way more screen time and got to be the hero in ways that unfortunately T'Challa has not, but that doesn't erase the fact that Marvel has turned him into something of a joke character. I saw that Lady Sif will be in Love and Thunder too, so that's Jane's Thor, Lady Sif, and Valkyrie all being bad asses while I imagine Thor will be cracking jokes and be the butt of quite a few of them.

I think the problem with Thor stems with Marvel not having a clear goal on where they wanted the character to go until Rag essentially. In Thor 1 & 2, they tried the serious route and it didn't work for him. In raf they went the buddy cop route and it worked with him being less serious, however the seriousness worked out in IW to complete his arc with Storm breaker. Either way Thor, unlike T'Challa, has had 3 solo movies with him as the focus, and 4 appearances in Avengers movies with IW sinking ALOT of time into his story arc as well with EG also finishing up his arc so that he can pass the buck.

Rest assured though if hemsworth unfortunately passed after Thor 1 he would of been recast straight up. Same with Tony, same with Cap, strange, Spidey, ant man etc etc. Hell hulks gone through 3 different actors. All of these characters would be recast.

Notice how on CW Rhodey and Sam are the only two heroes who get knocked out straight up. Notice how it's only T'Challa who won't be recast. The whole  "honoring Chadwick" is ridiculous. RDJ did a phenomenal job and jump started the MCU BUT Marvel would not have let the MCU and the IM franchise die with RDJ if something happened.

These characters were allowed to have their stories told to completion and recasts always happen with these popular super hero characters... History has told us that hollywood NEVER s one character be beholden to one actor no matter how fantastic a job they did, ESPECIALLY comic book characters. Yet T'Challa is the exception... 

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@ Curry

Just to address something, of you go to the CBR forum, Redjack aka Geoffrey Thorne, has been talking about his one shot. And how's he has been talking, nah it's bot going to be passing the buck to Shuri. Basically it's going to be SWaD again with T'Challa unabated, and powerful


Iíll look Ezyo, what black Panther thread is this on and what page exactly?  Iíd like to see.

Also..

.ĒSome wanted T'Challa gone/replaced long before Chad's death, and I fear they're using his passing as a launching pad. I urge actually Black Panther comic fans, and those simply fans of seeing our black boys and black girls both shine, to sign this petition and let it be known we wouldn't settle for one or the other.Ē -from the petition

I fully believe this and this is all Iíve been saying,  This is an opportunity for certain segments to take advantage and kill off TChalla, letting him die with Boseman so Shuri can take over and make Wakanda a mostly fierce black woman queendom and nation.  And itíll mostly work in todayís climate where media and other outlets seem to really be uplifting black women, especially over black males.

I just argued with a friend who is for the recast who has daughters and believes Shuri should be given a chance.  Believes the hype about respecting Bosemanís legacy and not recasting and feels the other characters are strong and varied enough to explore further in the sequel,  Again, many are saying this.  And I do feel itís because Tchallaís supporting cast nearly outshone him in the movie.  Some liked and actually agreed with Killmonger so much that they think he should come back and redeem himself by taking the mantle and continue with his original plan in a more politically correct way.  TChalla was demonized a bit for not helping people outside of Wakanda in the movie, despite that he learned the error of this later.  The fact supporting characters were already doing this made him look clueless and oblivious to this.  I say again, a lot was given to the supporting characters and not enough to TChalla and this is why going on without him is plausible.  They made the movie a ďfamilyĒ thing and not one centered on the main protagonist.

You think they would have continued with Thor or Captain America without Thor or Steve Rogers?  Even with Jane Foster taking the mantle (which will likely prove not popular as it didnít in the comics) Thor still exists.

I can't give the specifics of every post he made, I can tell you where it's starts

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?133550-Black-Panther-Appreciation-2020/page630&p=5239275#post5239275

And then he just comments throughout the entirety of the thread, given snippets and teases. Sorry I can't be more helpful

Again I'm going to argue that it doesn't matter if T'Challa was the only focus outside Erik and Nakia. The fact that black women were portrayed positively, and Shuri exists and takes the mantle in the comics, that's ll the ammunition people need. Black men are always the exception to the rule. This is something we are constantly shown time and time again. Black male protagonist gets sidelined for a female supporting Cast.  It wouldn't happen to Thor or Cap but they will always do this to black male characters. If T'Challa was the sole focus or less development was given to the cast they would simply continue on the mantra of "Chadwick held such a presence and command of the movie that we can't see anyone replicating that. So in honor of Chadwick T'Challa will not be recast" or along those lines.

Either way, unless there were no female characters and the males characters were killed off or evil. I see the exact same result based on Disney's responses



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@ Curry

Just to address something, of you go to the CBR forum, Redjack aka Geoffrey Thorne, has been talking about his one shot. And how's he has been talking, nah it's bot going to be passing the buck to Shuri. Basically it's going to be SWaD again with T'Challa unabated, and powerful

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Thinking about it More, especially with the latest article about Chadwick signing up for BP 3.. Honestly A, I don't think it would of mattered if T'Challa was more of the focus or not i still think Marvel would of made T'Challa the exception and still refused the recast. Ot happens far too often woth black male leads being pushed out for female characters to take over. It's akk about comfort and having a powerful Black male like T'Challa is always a threat. Having them replaced or sidekick's or shown getting trounced makes people feel "Safe". Like how in CW, the only two characters who got knocked clean out were Rhodey and Sam?

I see this unfortunately as this. The tragedy of Chad passing is open season for T'Challa to get railroaded by agendas and the like. This would be the case even if all the supporting cast stood around and did nothing. The fact that he has a sister at all and comics shown her take the throne is all the ammunition they need

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I have absolutely no issue with Shuri taking over or even having some of T'Challas stories adapted to hers... After T'Challas stories and character arc is told to completion...

I always find it interesting that. Dc and marvel have these methods or rules they adhere to yet Black people are always an exception to the rule... And more often than not it's in a bad way. Also what you described is literally BP 1

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honestly I think Feige and Disney think that if BP gotn1 billion with a Black male led, the sequel Will do the same with a Black female lead as it covers the same diversity as the first with the extra exposure of the first Black female lead super hero. I'm all for Black female super heros.. just not at the expense of black males. Especially when they are taking over a franchise that is not theirs prematurely. It would be one thing if T'Challas trilogy was complete. I would be fine with Shuri taking over that that point to further explore Wakanda. However, this whole premature ripping the title character away from his franchise that he soley upheld for decades without any help from supporting cast characters, I feel this is a huge disservice and an insult to such an important character. I want the franchise to be successful, I DON'T want it to try and do so by subverting it's title character and using his stories and his characteristics for essentially Brand New characters. That's cheating T'Challa out for no good reason other than greed and shady agendas

I feel what you're saying, and I largely agree. But I must protest some of it because Shuri has been around for almost 20 years now, and she was Black Panther and Queen of Wakanda for several years, and her time on the throne was not that long ago. The BP mantle is part of her legacy and she's held on to the title longer than almost any other BP except for T'Challa, especially when you think about actual adventures depicted in the comics. I don't think Disney, Marvel Studios, or the general audience cares much about the five decades history of T'Challa. Most people didn't even know the character existed until Civil War or the first Black Panther film. They want to be entertained now, by characters they grew to love in the first Black Panther film.

While they will not recast, they could bring another male BP into the lead role, but I think doing so runs into that woke chainsaw that Feige is not trying to turn on. Instead he's wielding that chainsaw for the next round of films and television series. If they made another man BP that still means T'Challa's story will not be told, it then be the story, of say, Kasper Cole, and we would follow his journey. That would be another origin story, and a far less interesting one-IMO-than giving Shuri the mantle. Further, who knows how the audience would react to a T'Challa recast. It's not a guaranteed box office win for Marvel. So I don't see them fighting against the gravity of going with Shuri as BP (to me the biggest impediment to that happening is Letitia Wright herself and if the controversy around her doesn't abate). Multiverse BPs or bringing in a son are not bad ideas, however, I really don't think Marvel is going to put that kind of thought into it. They are going to keep it simple. And the simplest thing to do is to promote someone from the existing cast. I think W'Kabi could be a good choice, and Daniel Kaluuya is getting work right now in Hollywood, though I doubt they would do that and I doubt his character will get much screen time or focus in the next film. IMO, BP2 will be a ladies affair with Shuri, Nakia, Okoye, Ramonda, and I imagine we might get Ayo and Aneka as characters with dialogue and perhaps their romance-if nothing else in the background-in the next film.

I don't want there to be a zero sum game between black male and female characters, but at the same time I think that's the kind of mentality that's out there, and right now, black males are on the losing side of that, though really no one wins in the community by playing this game.

Most people don't know anything other that Shuri became BP at some point in publishing history. So I feel that it's the same as trying to compare to how long T'Challa has been around, except for when people and internet sites try to do "top 10 Shuri stories" they will learn that she doesn't even have that, it's more like top 5 Which is ALL her stories power, klaws, deadliest, and Nnendis story... So not even 5. They will literally steal T'Challas stories to tell Shuris, Which begs the question... Why are they pushing a character who doesn't even have stories to adapt that you need to take stories from the franchise character?

Her tone on the throne ended  6 years ago and her character is only 15 years old.. and her MCU counterpart isn't even geared towards taking the mantle and would require ANOTHER origin story after we just had one from the first movie.

You run into the same problem, of you just keep creating these brand new never before seen characters that don't exist on the comics.. why are you going through so many hoops TO NOT just recast T'Challa, Which we know from DECADE'S of movie history that people WILL accept different takes of the same heroes. Bond Batman super man Spidey hulk.. they are doing a blade remake... As long as the actor channels the characters personality and is charismatic and gripping on their portrayal, people will accept it

Zero sum games are what Chadwick was trying to fight and Disney is trying to reinforce that? What a way to honor Chadwick

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If Feige and Disney are SO genuine on paying respect to Chadwick and that no one can be HIS version of T'Challa, so be it let his T'Challa go in a blaze of glory... However, than they use use the multiverse and bring in a different version of T'Challa recasted, they could even go with a more comic accurate Version (with some changes of needed) for instance, on this version, T'Chaka not N'jobu dies early. Klaw steals vibranium and when he sets off the explosions at the border T'Chaka was there and blown up and perished when chasing him. N'jobu becomes BP and T'Challa does not have a sister but is close to N'Jadaka and they grow up as brother's pretty much, T'Challa takes on the Wakandan design group and N'Jadaka takes on war dog missions. T'Challa sees how Wakandan tech can help the world and N'Jadaka becomes radicalized seeing Wakanda tech as a way to liberate Black people. T'Challa challenges for the thrown and takes it, N'Jadaka now going as "Erik Stevens" challenges him saying they should help by using their advancements to change the power dynamic while T'Challa wants to use their advancements to help and open outreach centers. That's where their ideals clash and  T'Challa is the process of changing Wakanda, multiverse stuff happens and this T'Challa gets pulled to this MCU verse. Meets Shuri and co etc and learns what this version of T'Challa was trying to accomplish and wants to see the change he was trying to make here while eventually wanting to go back to his universe (Which could happen at the end of his story to pass the mantle to Shuri of they really wanted to do that)

Pays respect to Chad's version, brings T'Challa back, allows for a More comic version and an interesting story to play out because this version wants the same thing and allows an "exit" at the end of his story for the mantle pass if they want to go that route




All of that is indeed a great story. I like it. The only thing that bothers me about the multiversal T'Challa? Is that fans will say that the lineage of OUR T'Challa has ended. That's why? I lean toward OUR T'Challa being displaced by The Snap...because not only did Wakanda the only country that could and did resist Thanos' invasion, but OUR T'Challa is THE LEADER of this country. Thanos didn't want TChalla setting further "bad" examples, so even in The Snap and the return, T'Challa was displaced from Wakanda. And OUR T'Challa? Lived his whole life in a multiverse where Time ran differently...all the while he was trying to get back to 616 Wakanda.  He had a son. T'Challa JUNIOR. And THIS T'Challa returns to 616 Wakanda. This would be the beginning of the Wakanda that I wrote about in my fanfic...Wakanda Ufalme Wa Nyota in Swahili, and  Ubukumkani Beenkwenkwezi [ I think ] in Xhosa. Wakanda The Empire of the Stars. The Interstellar Empire.

Or? Even better? Some sweet hybrid of the above approaches. I liked the Ultimate Marvel flavor in your story above, my brother.

The only problem with that is a T'Challa Jr is still the same issue you you mentioned about mine. It's still not OUR T'Challa it's a completely different character, it's his son, Which I think Kinda complicates things unnecessarily.

I honestly don't think people would out that much stock that it's not Our T'Challa but if it was indeed T'Challa just another universe, that's really all we can Hope for at this point otherwise we just lose T'Challa all together until a reboot

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If Feige and Disney are SO genuine on paying respect to Chadwick and that no one can be HIS version of T'Challa, so be it let his T'Challa go in a blaze of glory... However, than they use use the multiverse and bring in a different version of T'Challa recasted, they could even go with a more comic accurate Version (with some changes of needed) for instance, on this version, T'Chaka not N'jobu dies early. Klaw steals vibranium and when he sets off the explosions at the border T'Chaka was there and blown up and perished when chasing him. N'jobu becomes BP and T'Challa does not have a sister but is close to N'Jadaka and they grow up as brother's pretty much, T'Challa takes on the Wakandan design group and N'Jadaka takes on war dog missions. T'Challa sees how Wakandan tech can help the world and N'Jadaka becomes radicalized seeing Wakanda tech as a way to liberate Black people. T'Challa challenges for the thrown and takes it, N'Jadaka now going as "Erik Stevens" challenges him saying they should help by using their advancements to change the power dynamic while T'Challa wants to use their advancements to help and open outreach centers. That's where their ideals clash and  T'Challa is the process of changing Wakanda, multiverse stuff happens and this T'Challa gets pulled to this MCU verse. Meets Shuri and co etc and learns what this version of T'Challa was trying to accomplish and wants to see the change he was trying to make here while eventually wanting to go back to his universe (Which could happen at the end of his story to pass the mantle to Shuri of they really wanted to do that)

Pays respect to Chad's version, brings T'Challa back, allows for a More comic version and an interesting story to play out because this version wants the same thing and allows an "exit" at the end of his story for the mantle pass if they want to go that route

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honestly I think Feige and Disney think that if BP gotn1 billion with a Black male led, the sequel Will do the same with a Black female lead as it covers the same diversity as the first with the extra exposure of the first Black female lead super hero. I'm all for Black female super heros.. just not at the expense of black males. Especially when they are taking over a franchise that is not theirs prematurely. It would be one thing if T'Challas trilogy was complete. I would be fine with Shuri taking over that that point to further explore Wakanda. However, this whole premature ripping the title character away from his franchise that he soley upheld for decades without any help from supporting cast characters, I feel this is a huge disservice and an insult to such an important character. I want the franchise to be successful, I DON'T want it to try and do so by subverting it's title character and using his stories and his characteristics for essentially Brand New characters. That's cheating T'Challa out for no good reason other than greed and shady agendas

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