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Black Panther / Racism in Black Panther fandom
« on: March 27, 2018, 06:25:49 pm »
I'm kinda curious as to when anti-white prejudice became acceptable in this forum?

To my knowledge, we've lost two prominently knowledgeable posters from this forum due to blatantly negative comments made moreso to one of them based on his being white.

This kind've crap should have no place in this forum and the mods really need to nip issues like this in the bud quickly.

Beware of Geek deserved better.

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Black Panther / Black Panther: It's all about respect baby. Part 1
« on: May 04, 2014, 05:37:30 pm »
It's all about respect baby. Part 1

Wakanda, legendary African Nation famous within the 616 MU for being virtually unconquered for since inception. (regardless of internal politics and coups)

We were first introduced to this mysterious nation all the way back in 1966 alongside the introduction of T'Challa, the Black Panther in Fantastic Four #52 when the eponymous Prince of the Wakanda's invites the FF to his land and then proceeds to test himself against the entire group in a battle of strength and wits that must have come as a bit of a suprise to readers who actually got to read this book when it originally came out.

Over a number of years, T'Challa and Wakanda were portrayed as being an exotic land of many distinct possibilities but through all of these portrayals the fact that Wakanda and it's most famous son were an anomaly in a fictional universe were people of African descent were usually depicted stereotypically and in many ways, it can be argued that a dogged refusal to mave away from these stereotypes has always been one of the biggest obstacles that have stood in the way of bothe T'Challa as a character and Wakanda as a concept.

Both concepts were introduced back in the 1960's by the OG Architects of the Marvel Universe, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby but unlike many of Stan and Jack's creations from that time period, T'Challa still struggles for recognition amongst some of the same readers who claim that the lasting popularity of the Caucasian characters created back in the 50's and 60's owes more to the fact that they were created back then but the fact that T'Challa was also a 60's baby delivered by Lee and Kirby more or less exposes such ridiculous "explanations" false in the extreme.

Roy Thomas was an influential Marvel writer who played a part in diminshing T'Challa as a character when he wrote the Avengers book back in the 1970's and whether this was purely innocent or down to other unknown factors, the fact remains that he did probably as much damage to T'Challa's character as Fred Hembeck did to Jericho Drumm aka Doctor Voodoo.

This damage was gradually reversed by Christopher J. Priest when he reluctantly took on writing a character who for all intents and purposes, was seen as being something as a lame duck perrenial loser of a character within the 616 MU.

Priest single handedly re-introduced T'Challa back into the 616 as a confident, multilayered, enigmatic King on a mission who brooked no nonsense from friend and foe alike and that once again, set the character on a collision course with readers who had grown used to seeing Roy Thomas's take on the character and accepting same as being the definitive canonical definer for T'Challa as opposed to the more robust version of his character launched by Lee and Kirby originally launched in 1966.

Since then, Dwayne McDuffie, (RIP) Reginald Hudlin and David Liss all played their respective roles in chronicling the adventures of T'Challa and his supporting characters in a number of BP runs which met with varying degrees of success inbetween major derailments facilitated by writers like Jonathan Maberry via the Doomwar event and a multitude of writers from the X-office who have never at any given time, had anything positive to write featuring T'Challa pre, during and post the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo which was consequently deep-sixed during AvX.

AvX was the next event that came in the wake of Doomwar wherein T'Challa and Wakanda are continually put through the ringer to such a degree that both character and concept get severely trashed and destroyed whilst being dragged through the mud under the guise of benign creativity.

Unfortunately, the stories themselves by the very nature of the dialogue spouted by some of the characters involved and their in-story motivations given for their on-panel actions would seem to indicate that there's nothing "benign" about the manner in which T'Challa and Wakanda have been treated in the 616 MU in relation to the manner in which other similarly themed characters such as Black Bolt and Namor and their fictional kingdoms Attilan and Atlantis are concerned. (For arguments sake, I'll include Thor and Asgard in the mix even though the Son of Odin isn't a monarch at present.)

Black Bolt destroyed Attilan during Jonathan Hickman's Infinity event as part of an overarching plot device to usher in what I've decided to christen as being the Age of Inhumanity which in turn, necessitated the launch of an Inhumans book wherein the whole dispersal of the original Inhumans and the explosion of "New" Inhumans as a result of the Terrigen Mist, can be explored in greater depth with Queen Medusa's character being given a chance to grow and be developed further exponentially.

Thor was nearly battered to death by Norman Osborn and his combined army of Super Villains and HAMMER during the Siege event wherein Asgard was virtually destroyed and consequently brought down by the Sentry.

But get this, no one celebrated the fall of Asgard or engaged in online-high five sessions when the Sentry brought the Asgardians home crashing down to Earth, and I definitely don't remember seeing any posts making excuses for Osborn's actions during Siege by way of very clear insanity, possession, mind control or any of the other convenient "explanations" that get bandied about by readers when their favourite characters are in the frame as was the case when Tony Stark and Reed Richards did their thing pre-Planet/World War Hulk and then further on during marvel's Civil War.

It was undiluted EVIL pure and simple on the part of Osborn, end of story.

In the wake of AvX where a Phoenix powered Namor and his Atlantean army launched an unprovoked war on Wakanda under the pretext of "rescuing" a mutant who through her own stupidity found herself in Wakanda. This attack, virtually destroyed Wakanda causing massive real estate damage alongside loss of life.

AvX also served as the foundation upon which the writers concerned, proceeded to dismantle the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo pre-Namor's attack on Wakanda so not only was Wakanda destroyed, the nations former ruler, T'Challa had his marriage derailed by the self same X-office who had consistently slagged of the character and his Nation for the full six year duration of the marriage between these two fictional characters.

So basically, AvX was a double whammy against the BP mythos that served to continue the theme of emasculating T'Challa's character and the smashing of Wakanda that was started by Jonathan Maberry's Doomwar.

It's important to note that Maberry really pulled a hatchet job on the marriage of T'Challa and Ororo by having T'Challa choosing Wakandan Vibranium over the life of his wife Ororo which in turn, fed into the tendency of anti-T'Challa readers to blame the fictional character for what they saw as the "marginilization" of Ororo during the period that Reginald Hudlin was writing the Black Panther book.

The fact that Maberry actually marginalized Ororo during Doomwar doesn't get that much milage when blame is being apportioned as to which writers have done Ororo dirty the most over the years, says a lot about some of the underlying double standards and possible prejudice that served as the primary foundation for a lot of the hatred that Hudlin faced when he was writing Ororo's character within the BP solo he was scripting at that time.

Namor's Atlantis was reduced to rubble by Shuri Queen of Wakanda, in direct retaliation for the Atlantean Monarch's unprovoked attack on Wakanda that came without warning in much the same way as Japan's attack on the USA's Pearl Harbour during World War 2.

And here's where a very interesting and revealing disconnect began to rear its ugly head on this and other similarly themed forums.

I remember when Namor was depicted decimating Wakanda with a Tsunami with his Atlantean Army and their accompanying sea monsters riding shotgun alongside their King.




There was mass jubilation amongst a number of anti-T'Challa/Wakanda, readers posting both within CBR as well as other forums on similar sites.

The comments were relentless in their crassness with many making jokes about Namor "teaching Wakandans how to swim" and other such offensive comments to this effect and the laughs and joyful merriment went on for an age without any of these readers actually seeing what Namor did as being wrong with some going as far as to claim that Namor was under the influence of a cosmic force and when questions were raised as to why the Atlantean army that accompanied Namor who of course, were not under the Phoenix Force's influence were blameless, the excuse given, was that the Atlantean Army where honor bound to heed the call of their King. (regardless of how crazy his commands or similar to Osborn's were at the time.)

Basically, "I was just following orders" was the justifying refrain that was being sung from the proverbial rooftops by some of these readers.

The derrisive laughter (at T'Challa and Wakanda's expense) continued unabated up until this happened...





And all of a sudden, the laughter stopped.

It wasn't fun anymore when Wakanda struck back, and the derisive smirks were wiped off of the faces of the fictional Namor and the anti-T'Challa/Wakanda readers who praised Namor's actions pre-Atlantis's humbling by Wakanda's armed forces.

The shocked silence was as deep as the airless space between planets and then came the howls of indignation.

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