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FEB. 13, 2018
Black Panther Writer Reginald Hudlin on T’Challa and the Future of Black Superheroes
By Victoria Johnson



Twelve years before Black Panther became one of the most anticipated superhero films of all time, Reginald Hudlin was hired to pen a comic-book series that helped pave the road to T’Challa’s big-screen success. The Hollywood veteran, who directed classic ’90s films like House Party and Boomerang, found himself in a unique position after he began writing for Marvel: In the summer of 2005, he was also hired as the president of entertainment at BET, which eventually led him to produce the first and only Black Panther animated TV series.

While Christopher Priest is widely credited for making Black Panther cool, Hudlin’s run on the comic introduced major plotlines, including the landmark marriage of Black Panther and Storm, as well as the creation of T’Challa’s half-sister Princess Shuri, portrayed by Letitia Wright in the upcoming film. Meanwhile, the Black Panther animated series, which aired its sole season in 2011, drew the likes of Djimon Hounsou, Kerry Washington, Alfre Woodard, and Jill Scott into the world of Wakanda. These days, Hudlin’s life no longer revolves around the Black Panther, but he’s still immersed in comics: Since 2015, he’s been plotting the revival of Milestone Comics, the ’90s comic-book company co-founded by Denys Cowan, Derek Dingle, and the late Dwayne McDuffie that introduced a diverse array of characters, including fan favorite Static Shock. And after directing Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman in last fall’s Marshall, the 56-year-old filmmaker is also slated to direct a Shadowman movie about the New Orleans–based hero from Valiant Comics.

Ahead of Black Panther’s release, Vulture caught up with Hudlin to talk about the origins of the animated series, his upcoming work with Milestone Media, and the future of black superheroes in film.

How did the Black Panther animated series come about?

Well, I was writing the Black Panther comic book for Marvel, and then at the same time, I was doing a deal to [become] the first-ever president of entertainment at BET. I was working with some executives and they said, “You know Reggie, we should do an animated version of your Black Panther comic book for the network.” And I was like, “Oh, that’s not a bad idea,” and kind of forgot about it. About three months later, that executive came to me and said, “Hey, we got a reel.” I was like, “Of what?” [Laughs.]

I saw the first three minutes of it, and honestly, it was incredible. Denys Cowan was my head of animation and he just did this knockout rendition of the first scene of the book. I showed it to my boss, Debra Lee, who’s the head of the network, and I said, “Well, what do you think?” And she goes, “I was wondering when we’d get to do the Black Panther animated show.”

So, we showed it to the folks at Marvel and they were like, “We’re so happy you didn’t ask us for permission to do this because we wouldn’t have believed you could do this. This is so great.” Everybody was just super excited about it. Then we did the deal to develop it as a series, and when I left the network, I said, “Okay, I will just go onboard the series as a producer full-time.” It was very once in a lifetime — I wrote the comic book as a writer, then green-lit the TV show as a head of a network, and then produced it as a producer. It’s the only way that something that unusual could have actually happened.

You wrote the marriage between Black Panther and Storm as well. What led you to bring them together?

Originally, I always wanted to write comic books because they were so important to me when I was a kid. In fact, I still have a rejection letter that I got from Marvel when I was in middle school. A couple of friends of mine, when I was at work, they said, “Look, you should actually meet with the people at Marvel.” So they called some people and ended up having a meeting with the heads of Marvel Comics and I just talked about my love of comics. I didn’t really have an agenda. At the end of the meeting, they were like, “Well, which book do you want to write?” I was like “Huh?” I was kind of thrown and so I said, “Uh, Black Panther.” And they said, “Okay, We’re gonna let you do a six-issue mini-series.” So, I left with the dream job that I didn’t even go in trying to get.

I wrote my first six issues and they said, “Wow, this is really good. If you kept writing, what would you do?” And I said, “Well, he’s an African king. And one of the first things you gotta do when you’re royalty is have a family. So he’s gotta figure out who’s gonna be his queen and marry her and start a family.” We started talking about who he should marry and Storm’s name came up and I was like, “If you would let the two biggest black superheroes in the history come together, that would be the ultimate power marriage in every sense of the term.” He’s the king of a country, she’s a princess of an African nation, she’s the leader of the mutants which is a powerful minority in itself. It just seemed like a really perfect idea.

In Marvel comics, the Watcher usually shows up to witness major turning points in history. Is that why he was at their wedding?

The Watcher was there because this is a momentous marriage. The results of this marriage would be world-changing. There’s a story I never wrote called “World War Wakanda.” Basically, the Panther has taken this isolationist stance, like, “We’re not imperialist, we’re not trying to conquer other countries.” But the people are so paranoid, once he’s married to Storm and he starts this movement of helping mutants worldwide, ultimately he has to fight everybody. He is forced to take a more aggressive military stance on a global level.

That’s interesting. I really wish you got to write that.

[Laughs.] Well, you know, there’s a Black Panther Annual coming up soon. They asked me, Don McGregor, and Christopher Priest to each write a short story. So I wrote the epilogue of the “World War Wakanda” story in that book.

I need to get that. How did you feel when they annulled the marriage six years later?

That was really, I thought, a mistake. Because there was this tension between Fox and Marvel over the properties and all that stuff, they were like, “No, no, no, we just want to separate the mutants out from the characters that we hold control over.” They were caught in the crossfire of that, but obviously, to break up such a high-profile black marriage in comics had a much bigger symbolic value and was really frustrating to a lot of fans.

With Disney’s purchase of 2oth Century Fox, do you think Black Panther and Storm might get back together in the comics? Or a movie sequel?

You know, when the rumors of that merger first started happening, there was so much of the internet telling us like, “Aha!” [Laughs.] There was a lot of excitement. We’ll see what they plan on doing, but I think it would be a beautiful thing.

How did the idea of Princess Shuri come about?

It just seemed for me that, again, when you’re royalty, you’re not just gonna have one kid. You gotta have an heir and a spare, right? I thought a girl would be great because I wanted everyone who read the book to be empowered. I wanted girls who read the book to feel as empowered as boys. So, I wanted her to be smart and tough and brave and everything you think of as a Black Panther, so that eventually she would be a Black Panther as well. Basically, I wanted a Halloween costume for my son and my daughter.

That’s a good reason. You’ve relaunched Milestone as well, which has a bunch of diverse characters. How’s that coming along?

It’s coming along great. We’re revamping the classic characters, we’re developing new characters, and we’re putting together an amazing team of writers and artists. I mean, the original Milestone lineup were some of the leading writers of people of color working in the comic-book business. We’re trying to remain true to that same spirit and bring in men and women and blacks and Latinos and Asians and white folk — just put together an all-star team. It’s truly going to be a major event.

I read that you’re also developing a live-action Static Shock series. Is that still in the works?

We’ve been talking about that, but as the books have been developing, we’re taking a much broader approach. There’s a lot of ideas that were exciting to people as movies and as TV shows, so you have to think about these things. What kind of coherent universe, which characters do you want to launch under which platforms? We’re not speaking in terms of one-off. We’re thinking in terms of a much bigger picture.

You’re working on Shadowman too, right?

Yeah, we’re working on the script for that movie. We’ve got some fantastic ideas. I’m really excited about that.

Is there anything you can share about it?

Not yet. We’re still early in the process. But I’ve been working with Adam Simon, who’s the writer, and we just sit at dinner and it’s like, “Wow, wow!” If you excite yourself then you figure, “Well, if Iron Man delivered bodies who likes the stuff I like, they will probably like it too.”

That makes sense. Do you think Black Panther will open the door for other black superheroes to get movies?

I think there’s no doubt. When I was at the premiere, I brought my son and I saw so many of my friends there with their sons. Whether it was Sterling Brown, John Singleton, you know, I just thought, “Oh God, that’s gonna happen all over the world. People are going to bring their families.” They’re gonna have this transformative feeling. They’re gonna go, “Well, why is it just one?” The same way, you know, with the success with Wonder Woman. It’s like, “Yes, female superhero, that’s an obvious idea and let’s have a lot more.” I think the same absolutely is going to happen with Black Panther. It’s really a natural extension. There are so many superhero characters. If you don’t diversify, then the market kind of eats itself.

What did you think of Black Panther?

Oh, it’s great. It’s a movie that’s ultimately about morality. And I think what really makes a person a hero is your moral stance.

What do you think about the state of black films in general? You’ve directed classics like House Party, Boomerang, and most recently Marshall. Do you think we’re doing better in bringing forward diverse films?

Yeah, I feel very bullish on the state of black cinema. I think that these things move in a 20-year cycles. When you go back to the blaxploitation movement in the ’70s, that’s a big boom, then there was a collapse in that market. But even in the collapse, you had Eddie Murphy, you had Prince making movies in the ’80s. Then in the ’90s, you had Spike Lee and myself and John Singleton and that whole movement, which was really different from what you saw in the ’70s. Then, after ten years of success, you have again a collapse. Now you have this new movement and the movies are bigger and better and more successful than ever before. History moves in lazy circles, right? But I look at the big picture of it and I go, “This is great.”

Have you read any of the newer Black Panther runs?

Honestly, I have these stacks of comics. The number one thing I do to relax myself is read comics, but this last year, I produced a movie, Burning Sands, I directed a movie, Marshall, I shot a TV series, Showtime at the Apollo, which debuts in March for Fox, and as you know, the Milestone project. And some secret stuff I can’t tell you yet. [Laughs.] So, I literally haven’t had time to read my beloved comic books. I leave my office at night and I look at that stack wistfully. I deserve some comic-book time, but I don’t know when that will be. I hope so soon.

What does it mean for a black creator to write Black Panther?

Black Panther was created by two brilliant Jewish guys, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, and they created a perfect character. So I don’t think there’s a racial requirement to write the character well. But obviously, when I wrote it I knew the importance of the character for me. I wanted to write the stories I always wanted to see but never saw. I always thought, “Well, surely the black heroes get together and talk.” [Laughs.] What would Luke Cage and T’Challa say to each other? No one had ever done that, so I was dying to do that. I was dying to explore big and small things that were obvious to me. You know, one of my favorite story arcs was in response to Hurricane Katrina. The Black Panther, Cage, Blade, and a whole host of black heroes come together to help save a black city. It was just fun to do because I said, “Well, why doesn’t this happen?” Six white superheroes get together all the time and it’s not a racial issue. They just happen to be six white people. So why can’t six black people come together and save people just as well?

Is there anything you can share about what you’re working on with Milestone Media?

It’s really under wraps right now. But what we want to do is not simply pick up where they stopped 20-something years ago. How do we push the envelope way, way out? You know, how do we make people as shocked and surprised and slightly uncomfortable as they were when those books debuted the first time?

What else do you have planned for the year?

Well, Showtime at the Apollo debuting on Fox prime time with Steve Harvey. That’s actually gonna be a really great show. When I bring home episodes and watch them with my wife and my kids, we all have a great time. We’re laughing, we’re cheering, and there’s a need for family entertainment. Then there’ll be a secret project that will be launching later on this year, and the Milestone books. That’s a lot. [Laughs.] Maybe somewhere I’ll fit a nap in.

And a comic book.

And a comic! Yeah! These are not unreasonable goals.


https://www.vulture.com/2018/02/black-panther-reginald-hudlin-interview.html
This interview has been edited and condensed.

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Black Panther / Re: BLACK PANTHER CINEMA
« on: July 13, 2019, 08:54:47 pm »
THE BUSINESS
Reginald Hudlin on writing ‘Black Panther’ comics and running BET...at the same time
Hosted by Kim Masters Jul. 12, 2019


Reginald Hudlin at KCRW.
Photo by Christopher Ho.

Director Reginald Hudlin’s most recent project is the Netflix documentary ‘The Black Godfather,’ which tells the story of Clarence Avant--a behind-the-scenes force in music, movies and politics for more than 50 years.

Hudlin burst on the industry scene with the 1990 Sundance hit ‘House Party,’ which he wrote and directed. Since then he’s stayed busy writing and directing movies and TV--he was a producer on ‘Django Unchained,’ which earned him an Oscar nomination for Best Picture in 2012.

Hudlin’s had his share of other jobs too--sometimes concurrently!--as was the case when he found himself writing ‘Black Panther’ comics and running BET.

He tells us about those hectic years, and explains why he thinks the movie ‘Blade’ is pivotal to the success of Marvel movies.


Listen to interview here.
https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-business/career-memories-from-reginald-hudlin-caleb-deschanel-on-shooting-lion-king/reginald-hudlin-on-writing-black-panther-comics-and-running-bet-at-the-same-time

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No, I live in Virginia. Lol.

But I figured people who view the threads might be interested is they live nearby.

Got you. I hope some people have a similar idea and do something on the east cost close to New York or Philly. BP everywhere. Wakanda Forever.

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Black Panther / Re: BP710:THE PROTOCOLS
« on: July 10, 2019, 10:00:40 pm »
I see. A shame. Of i had the time,and knew how to draw in comic form rather then single drawings of characters I would love to illustrate some of this stuf, even if it was just a mini 10-12 pager

I see you got a reply from Apexabyss. Interesting though as I see his point, I kind of see myself as complementary to what should be considered logical in story continuity. What say you Ezyo?

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 10, 2019, 09:51:36 pm »
Comics precedents are often ignored when it comes to films. T'Challa's motivation and relationship with Klaw removed; T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda. Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan people totally redirected. Even the fact that T'Challa built Falcon's wings has been obfuscated. Much of this and more has to be addressed and corrected in order  to firmly establish the Black Panther. No need redress Shuri at this point, we have more pressing concerns with the main character.

Precedents are ignored sometimes, but I think saying 'often' is stretching it. Generally, most comic book films adhere to the basic or most important relationships or major things that shaped the characters from the comics. And I do think that we've seen over the years an attempt to give the fans what studios think they want with certain character/storyline moments. While at other times things are tweaked or have been changed. There is history and precedent for Shuri taking over Black Panther, and it wouldn't take much to start the online campaigning to get her in the role. Shuri becoming Black Panther was a major character/life shaping moment for her. Not as much for T'Challa, but it's there to explore in Shuri's future if they go there, and I'm sure there will be people speculating about it and pushing for it online.

I don't think that any of the things you list that need correction are probably going to be addressed. I think this 'stunted' (for lack of a better term) version of Panther is what Disney/Marvel wanted and what audiences worldwide shelled out tons of money to see and many still love. There's no financial incentive to do those things now, because it adds more exposition that might be 'needless' now that the cat's out of the bag. Falcon has been flying for a long-time now, and upping T'Challa's intellect and science acumen might be considered taking it away from Shuri, even though comics readers know that the reverse actually happened when it comes to the film. Same goes with his fighting skills. There has to be space for the Dora Milaje and Nakia and there roles would be lessened if the comics Panther was on the scene. They wouldn't be completely sidelined, but he would be taking more people down than he did in the movie faster and with less need of help. But that makes me think of the different continuities or 'realities' for various media. There's just BP movie fans and to them, this is the 'reality', whereas its different for fans of the comics, or fans of the older comics, or even who might have watched the Hudlin-era animated series.

Stretch you say? Possibly but even a cursory view demonstrates a clear argument for such. Just look at the mid seventies live action iterations of  Hulk, Daredevil and Thor. The FF films and how they addressed Dr. Doom and Galactus. Spider-man's original suit made by Stark. Ultron made by Stark. The mythological Norse gods are now cosmic aliens. Jean Gray killing Scott in XMen 3. Not to mention all the unnecessary race swapping.

Some of the things I mentioned will have to be addressed especially if Disney/Marvel want their BP franchise to stay at the pinnacle of success. Trying to appease uninformed fans, address pop trends and support arguments for inclusion are short sighted when the central character, the one who started it all, is unceremoniously sacrificed.

We got a great Black Panther movie because a well grounded and defined character with excellent source material was put in the capable hands of passionate and committed director, producer, writers, actors, costume,and set designers and well informed, supportive and historically vocal fan base all of whom were of one accord in comprehending the significance of what they were engaging in.

I am of the opinion that what made the Black Panther so worthy of all its accolades and impressive financial earnings was the  presentation Afrakan people going beyond just non stereotypical roles but into its own genre of Afrakan centered Afro Futurism while grounding itself in both historical and contemporary issues concerning what it means to be Afrakan and the responsibilities Afrakans have to one another world wide.

Staying in this insular lane allows a fresh approach and diversion from the popular genres of so called black drama, comedy,  and musical; the all inclusive sci fi and action genres; the trending LGBT and Hip Hop genres; religious and sports genres. Black Panther gets to tell stories in the very unique genre of Afrakan centered Afro Futurism. A true precedent.

This film also demonstrated the strength of Afrakan people who work in the industry. They stuck to their principles and produced a cultural phenomenon. Remember when Chadwick Boseman revealed Marvel initially wanted a British accent for  T'Challa and he said no.


https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/12/31/marvel-black-panther-chadwick-boseman-african-accent-initially-not-well-received-producers/

https://shadowandact.com/wakanda-mess-is-this-chadwick-boseman-reveals-marvel-initially-wanted-a-british-accent-for-african-born-tchalla/

So I don't think we have to settle nor did we settle for a stunted version of an Afrakan superhero. A stunted Black Panther however can be argued. Thus Marvel will have to address T'Challa genius level intellect. In the MCU both he and Shuri can represent high level intelligence without short changing one another.

For instance, just like his soon to be new partner in crime, the Falcon can get a new set of high tech Wakandan wings courtesy of T'Challa just in time for his new series. Nothing hard to do just drop a line in which Sam tells Bucky T'Challa built these for me and they're the best I've had yet. Bucky can then say me too. Simple fix.

Going forward the next Black Panther film has to once again inspire Afrakan people and as long as white people aren't being made to feel guilty they will go along for the ride. This is best accomplished by adding a few more feats, some intense and unique fight scenes immersed in an empowering narrative interwoven into a superhero story demonstrating the historical successes of Afrakan people both here and on the continent.


I never said that there weren't any changes or tweaks being made, but adapting material often results in changes, for novels as well as comics, or even from television shows to movies and vice versa. Also when you factor in budgets, special effects limitations, as well as licenses, and artistic vision that potentially creates more changes.

But in many fundamental respects, most comic book movies/television shows adhere to key parts of the source material they are based on. Never once have we had a Batman film about a Chuck Random in Jacksonville; it's always been Bruce Wayne from Gotham for example, and that goes for basically every other comic book film or television show. And they are even reluctant to jump the line in introducing the other Robins when it comes to Batman. Perhaps following the Superman: The Movie model, many comic book films start with an origin story and have a face-off with whoever the hero's archnemesis is, and for the most part, the studios have been faithful in finding either the true archnemesis from the comics or close to it. Precedent is not something the studios have dismissed, surprisingly. Even if they haven't always been able to make good films or have good special effects. Looking at some of your examples, with Hulk they kept the basic idea of Banner becoming the Hulk, and being an outsider, with the Daredevil (from the Hulk movie, not counting the canceled television series/movie idea), DD remained a blind lawyer named Matt Murdock who had ninja skills (and he even resembled a ninja more than he did in the comics; it's notable that the Netflix series, and perhaps Man without Fear graphic novel, took inspiration from his television appearance), and his main nemesis was Kingpin, the Fantastic Four films all adhered roughly to comic book precedent, either main continuity or Ultimate line (from what I read), and Spider-Man's suit in Homecoming or Infinity War for that matter, had precedent in the Civil War comic. (Even the Thomas Jane Punisher film, which did a lot of changing to Frank Castle, still had some influences from the comics, including its best scene with wrestler Kevin Nash. I also think another one or two of Saint's goons was from the comics).

When it comes to Black Panther, the precedent is there for him to have a legacy. There's Kasper Cole, there's Shuri, and we've already seen Killmonger (though I can't say he was technically a Black Panther in the film), and we got the flashback of T'Chaka as Black Panther, which is also precedent.

I'm not advocating that Shuri become Black Panther in the next film. I think they would need to tone up Letitia Wright for that to work, but I would be okay with the idea two or three more movies down the line, if it fits the story, is organic to the character's development.

Adhering to key parts of the source material has not prevented the inclusion of new and unnecessary precedents. The Hulk not talking nor being bulletproof. The changing of Daredevils costume to black. Spider-Man's original iconic suit being made by Stark. Speaking of Spider-Man they even took away his creating the web shooter in the Toby Maguire trilogy. We did have Batman films that did not often show him being a world class escape artist, master of disguise nor one of his most dominant traits brilliant detective. How does the Black Panther, his franchise or fans benefit from a legacy being fulfilled by Kasper Cole? Shuri... ok, she can do it after BP 6.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 10, 2019, 09:27:07 pm »
Comics precedents are often ignored when it comes to films. T'Challa's motivation and relationship with Klaw removed; T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda. Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan people totally redirected. Even the fact that T'Challa built Falcon's wings has been obfuscated. Much of this and more has to be addressed and corrected in order  to firmly establish the Black Panther. No need redress Shuri at this point, we have more pressing concerns with the main character.

"T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda."

All that was there.

"Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan"

They never did much to make a difference in the comics either


I didn't say it wasn't there, just that it rode the bench. T'Challa's genius level intellect was sidelined when Shuri states that she can improve on the EMP beads he considers working just fine, not to mention she built the better panther suit and explained to him how it worked. Sidelined when T'Challa gave Ross to Shuri to save. Sidelined when the Avengers bought Vision to Wakanda, Shuri did the diagnosis and T'Challa just stood there and watched, Shuri even performed the complex procedure.

T'Challa's win/lost record states the facts. Pretty even fight with Winter Soldier though Cap got the better of their exchanges. Black Panther didn't look like he knew what to do to handle Giant man (as Spider-Man came up with the strategy to beat him). A non enhanced Hawkeye, did better than could have been expected. T'Challa is one and one with Killmonger. His err Shuri's tech took down way more attacking Wakandans than his martial arts did. The Black Panther was mauled by Outriders. The final nail in the coffin for T'Challa's martial prowess being sidelined comes when Nakia states Okoye is the greatest warrior Wakanda has.

Strategic and tactical proficiency were most certainly absent when T'Challa jeopardizes his entire country and its people rather setting the Avengers up on some distant private island he owns. Wakandan soldiers demonstrated no battle tactics, they just ran head first into an invading alien army with their energy shields deactivated; Wakanda had no orbiting defense satellites to destroy the Outrider's incoming transport vehicles. The final insult... what kind of energy screen does Wakanda have, that not only can an invading army push through it, they can always just run around behind it?

The Emperor mentioned a comic book precedent and I stated that precedents are often ignored. In the BP film they made it a point to state that Wakanda did nothing to help other Afrakans however in the comics there are precedents. T'Challa became a Harlem school teacher to serve the underprivileged; T'Challa offered freedom to a South African family under apartheid. The Black Panther secretly supported the people of Azania as the Panther Spirit declared war and began a killing spree. During the Trans Atlantic slave trade, Wakandans destroyed slave ships, bought, freed and trained captives... all precedents, all ignored. I say they made a difference.


I would say i was under the impression that T'Challa created the emp beads given the conversation, also look at what Shuris responsibility is compared to T'Challa. He had been BP for 10 years, and also grooming to take over, Shuri doesn't have any responsibility so she can tinker, unlike the comics the MCU takes into consideration that people have only so much time to do stuff.

It's also not as though they were competing and her suit was better. His was older straight up and he doesn't have time like she does, and it's her lab, so if she is saving Ross and helping vision etc. He has more pressing things to worry about, Like killmonger, invading army etc. 

His win loss isn't actually that bad. He went 4-0 with WS. Everytime he was stopped by an outside force from Killing him straight up.  Cap and him were evenly matched but the last part of that fight showed T'Challa kick him back about 10 feet then he went off to get Bucky as that was his objective, he wasn't fighting Cap for real. 

In his movie he took out 20 Wakandan in one shot and took down a dragon flyer in one fluid motion, plus his focus was Erik. In IW I'll give you that the strategy and Such wasn't a great one but this is less about T'Challa and Wakanda and more about the Russo's and big action movies in general.

In movies big fights where armies charge at each other is a big brawl is more interesting then watching them carpet bomb and annihilate the opposing force at a distance. We saw that in IW, EG, BP,  and other movies do it too
 Take the dark night rises, why the hell would both sides. Who had guns, run at each other like that? It's because it's more exciting that way for movies. Also MCU Wakanda is very different in terms of defense. Why have orbital defense when no one knows you exist? They have the shield and not big huge cannons because they don't need them. The outriders ship dropped from space and exploded on impact of the shield.

There's things that I understand where your coming from but then there are others that it's movie's and what's practical to expect. I would love to see Nyami motherships and stuff o. The final battles in IW and EG but couple things. Budget, and it's not BPs movie.

Finally, in T'Challas 1 vs 2 against Erik. They actually proved how much more superior he was in skill. Emotionally comprised T'Challa could of killed Erik twice in their fight had he wanted to. On YouTube watch BP vs killmonger with health bars. It shows just how one sided the final fight was when T'Challa was at 100%. And the comment Nakia made to Okoye about being the greatest warrior? For one T'Challa was 'dead' at that point, and she was the only one are their side atm who could possibly oppose Erik. It's less a dig at T'Challa and more a compliment to Okoye. I seriously don't get why people are bothered by this because it was assumed T'Challa was no longer alive ergo she would be the greatest warrior by default


Impression is one thing, certainty is another with regards to the EMP spheres. Nothing is wrong with T'Challa time schedule as this is a fictitious universe, he has ample time to perform his kingly duties; engage in scientific innovations and discoveries; and still have time to save the world and get the girl.

Remember the context of the discussion. It wasn't about comparing suits or your imposed time constraints. It was in part about T'Challa's genius level intellect being sidelined. Simply put there is no reasonable justification for doing such. T'Challa's win/loss records demonstrates some tactical deficiencies that we did not see his martial arts skill compensate for. Black Panther attacking Giant Man's pressure points instead of scurrying backwards; sending an energy shock wave rather than jumping into Thanos' grip and getting choke slammed; using his superior speed and reflexes to dodge Black Widows blast instead of taking so many hits. Also the 20 Wakandan in one shot was due to the suit not his fighting skill.

Films that have large armies needn't have them attack in block formation nor carpet bomb and annihilate the opposing force at a distance. There are so many diverse ways to do large army fight scenes not to mention how much improvement could be achieved with all the creative weaponry and nuanced battle tactics that should be at the Wakandans disposal. Remember these great wars? Game of Thrones' Battle at Blackwater Bay; 300's Battle of Thermopylae and Lord of the Rings The Two Towers  Battle of Helms Deep. Remember that really old movie The Empire Strikes Back. The number of Asian films we could discuss would start another thread.

The thing is that Black Panther's first movie was such a great film for any number of reasons that the sequel has to be that much bigger. This means when the T'Challa the Black Panther shows up everyone knows they have to raise their game because the baddest player has entered the room.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 07, 2019, 06:45:03 pm »
Comics precedents are often ignored when it comes to films. T'Challa's motivation and relationship with Klaw removed; T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda. Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan people totally redirected. Even the fact that T'Challa built Falcon's wings has been obfuscated. Much of this and more has to be addressed and corrected in order  to firmly establish the Black Panther. No need redress Shuri at this point, we have more pressing concerns with the main character.

Precedents are ignored sometimes, but I think saying 'often' is stretching it. Generally, most comic book films adhere to the basic or most important relationships or major things that shaped the characters from the comics. And I do think that we've seen over the years an attempt to give the fans what studios think they want with certain character/storyline moments. While at other times things are tweaked or have been changed. There is history and precedent for Shuri taking over Black Panther, and it wouldn't take much to start the online campaigning to get her in the role. Shuri becoming Black Panther was a major character/life shaping moment for her. Not as much for T'Challa, but it's there to explore in Shuri's future if they go there, and I'm sure there will be people speculating about it and pushing for it online.

I don't think that any of the things you list that need correction are probably going to be addressed. I think this 'stunted' (for lack of a better term) version of Panther is what Disney/Marvel wanted and what audiences worldwide shelled out tons of money to see and many still love. There's no financial incentive to do those things now, because it adds more exposition that might be 'needless' now that the cat's out of the bag. Falcon has been flying for a long-time now, and upping T'Challa's intellect and science acumen might be considered taking it away from Shuri, even though comics readers know that the reverse actually happened when it comes to the film. Same goes with his fighting skills. There has to be space for the Dora Milaje and Nakia and there roles would be lessened if the comics Panther was on the scene. They wouldn't be completely sidelined, but he would be taking more people down than he did in the movie faster and with less need of help. But that makes me think of the different continuities or 'realities' for various media. There's just BP movie fans and to them, this is the 'reality', whereas its different for fans of the comics, or fans of the older comics, or even who might have watched the Hudlin-era animated series.

Stretch you say? Possibly but even a cursory view demonstrates a clear argument for such. Just look at the mid seventies live action iterations of  Hulk, Daredevil and Thor. The FF films and how they addressed Dr. Doom and Galactus. Spider-man's original suit made by Stark. Ultron made by Stark. The mythological Norse gods are now cosmic aliens. Jean Gray killing Scott in XMen 3. Not to mention all the unnecessary race swapping.

Some of the things I mentioned will have to be addressed especially if Disney/Marvel want their BP franchise to stay at the pinnacle of success. Trying to appease uninformed fans, address pop trends and support arguments for inclusion are short sighted when the central character, the one who started it all, is unceremoniously sacrificed.

We got a great Black Panther movie because a well grounded and defined character with excellent source material was put in the capable hands of passionate and committed director, producer, writers, actors, costume,and set designers and well informed, supportive and historically vocal fan base all of whom were of one accord in comprehending the significance of what they were engaging in.

I am of the opinion that what made the Black Panther so worthy of all its accolades and impressive financial earnings was the  presentation Afrakan people going beyond just non stereotypical roles but into its own genre of Afrakan centered Afro Futurism while grounding itself in both historical and contemporary issues concerning what it means to be Afrakan and the responsibilities Afrakans have to one another world wide.

Staying in this insular lane allows a fresh approach and diversion from the popular genres of so called black drama, comedy,  and musical; the all inclusive sci fi and action genres; the trending LGBT and Hip Hop genres; religious and sports genres. Black Panther gets to tell stories in the very unique genre of Afrakan centered Afro Futurism. A true precedent.

This film also demonstrated the strength of Afrakan people who work in the industry. They stuck to their principles and produced a cultural phenomenon. Remember when Chadwick Boseman revealed Marvel initially wanted a British accent for  T'Challa and he said no.


https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/12/31/marvel-black-panther-chadwick-boseman-african-accent-initially-not-well-received-producers/

https://shadowandact.com/wakanda-mess-is-this-chadwick-boseman-reveals-marvel-initially-wanted-a-british-accent-for-african-born-tchalla/

So I don't think we have to settle nor did we settle for a stunted version of an Afrakan superhero. A stunted Black Panther however can be argued. Thus Marvel will have to address T'Challa genius level intellect. In the MCU both he and Shuri can represent high level intelligence without short changing one another.

For instance, just like his soon to be new partner in crime, the Falcon can get a new set of high tech Wakandan wings courtesy of T'Challa just in time for his new series. Nothing hard to do just drop a line in which Sam tells Bucky T'Challa built these for me and they're the best I've had yet. Bucky can then say me too. Simple fix.

Going forward the next Black Panther film has to once again inspire Afrakan people and as long as white people aren't being made to feel guilty they will go along for the ride. This is best accomplished by adding a few more feats, some intense and unique fight scenes immersed in an empowering narrative interwoven into a superhero story demonstrating the historical successes of Afrakan people both here and on the continent.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 07, 2019, 03:48:10 pm »
Comics precedents are often ignored when it comes to films. T'Challa's motivation and relationship with Klaw removed; T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda. Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan people totally redirected. Even the fact that T'Challa built Falcon's wings has been obfuscated. Much of this and more has to be addressed and corrected in order  to firmly establish the Black Panther. No need redress Shuri at this point, we have more pressing concerns with the main character.

"T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda."

All that was there.

"Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan"

They never did much to make a difference in the comics either


I didn't say it wasn't there, just that it rode the bench. T'Challa's genius level intellect was sidelined when Shuri states that she can improve on the EMP beads he considers working just fine, not to mention she built the better panther suit and explained to him how it worked. Sidelined when T'Challa gave Ross to Shuri to save. Sidelined when the Avengers bought Vision to Wakanda, Shuri did the diagnosis and T'Challa just stood there and watched, Shuri even performed the complex procedure.

T'Challa's win/lost record states the facts. Pretty even fight with Winter Soldier though Cap got the better of their exchanges. Black Panther didn't look like he knew what to do to handle Giant man (as Spider-Man came up with the strategy to beat him). A non enhanced Hawkeye, did better than could have been expected. T'Challa is one and one with Killmonger. His err Shuri's tech took down way more attacking Wakandans than his martial arts did. The Black Panther was mauled by Outriders. The final nail in the coffin for T'Challa's martial prowess being sidelined comes when Nakia states Okoye is the greatest warrior Wakanda has.

Strategic and tactical proficiency were most certainly absent when T'Challa jeopardizes his entire country and its people rather setting the Avengers up on some distant private island he owns. Wakandan soldiers demonstrated no battle tactics, they just ran head first into an invading alien army with their energy shields deactivated; Wakanda had no orbiting defense satellites to destroy the Outrider's incoming transport vehicles. The final insult... what kind of energy screen does Wakanda have, that not only can an invading army push through it, they can always just run around behind it?

The Emperor mentioned a comic book precedent and I stated that precedents are often ignored. In the BP film they made it a point to state that Wakanda did nothing to help other Afrakans however in the comics there are precedents. T'Challa became a Harlem school teacher to serve the underprivileged; T'Challa offered freedom to a South African family under apartheid. The Black Panther secretly supported the people of Azania as the Panther Spirit declared war and began a killing spree. During the Trans Atlantic slave trade, Wakandans destroyed slave ships, bought, freed and trained captives... all precedents, all ignored. I say they made a difference.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 07, 2019, 10:44:36 am »
Comics precedents are often ignored when it comes to films. T'Challa's motivation and relationship with Klaw removed; T'Challa's genius level intellect and martial arts prowess sidelined. Strategic and tactical proficiency were absent for both T'Challa and Wakanda. Black Panther and Wakanda doing something about the injustices done to Afrakan people totally redirected. Even the fact that T'Challa built Falcon's wings has been obfuscated. Much of this and more has to be addressed and corrected in order  to firmly establish the Black Panther. No need redress Shuri at this point, we have more pressing concerns with the main character.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 07, 2019, 09:48:00 am »


What is this penchant with replacing T'Challa as Black Panther. We are only one movie in. He hasn't even matured as a live action cinematic character yet. Chadwick can play BP for another ten years since the costume is most concealing thus no worries for stunts. And as far as his comic book is concerned we haven't had proper representation in near three years. Give Shuri her own identity and power set. Breathe life into T'Challa, his supporting characters and villains and let the Black Panther franchise prosper.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 06, 2019, 10:14:04 pm »


T'Challa hasn't been Black Panther long enough to start the legacy agenda.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:25:58 pm »
Doom and Doomwar are simply unnecessary for the cinematic Black Panther. Secret Invasion would be a workable context in which to encapsulate phase four, though even that is problematic. BP's chapter of Secret Invasion could be cinematically done as a major thread running through the Avengers (possibly the Ultimates) movies not as a narrative for a solo BP movie especially not his sequel. BP solos should remain insular and stand alone.

Actually now that you say that--it's not needed to be part of BP mythos--the proper place for a movie named DoomWar is the FF movies.

You'd think that be a nobrainer right? DoomWar was a Doom comic with FF, XMen and BP as supporting characters. It was never meant to be about BP laying hands on Doom. The MCU can launch FF and XMen with Doomwar.

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Black Panther / Re: Revisiting DoomWar
« on: July 04, 2019, 09:38:47 am »
Doom and Doomwar are simply unnecessary for the cinematic Black Panther. Secret Invasion would be a workable context in which to encapsulate phase four, though even that is problematic. BP's chapter of Secret Invasion could be cinematically done as a major thread running through the Avengers (possibly the Ultimates) movies not as a narrative for a solo BP movie especially not his sequel. BP solos should remain insular and stand alone.

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Black Panther / Re: BP710:THE PROTOCOLS - INTERLUDE - Fireflies
« on: June 28, 2019, 09:03:59 pm »
I will admit, I was confused the First time around reading this. I think part of what threw me off was the part "He could of flown, he could of chosen any Wakandan aircraft"

As well as reading too fast the first time as well. When slowing down and reading it again it makes sense, but even still it's a very well out together read. The details, the dialogue, the inner feelings it's very well done. I was able to paint a very good mental picture of the scene in my head.

This is one hell of a chapter. I like the shift in tone, I wasn't the biggest fan of McGregor but I admit he had some beautiful poetics and could get you wrapped up in the moment. I look forward to the next chapter. And I also look forward to the day we see these great visuals your describing


Much gratitude and many thanks Brother Ezyo. I was trying to leave clues so when one goes over the details after reaching the end, one could see it was all staring them right in the face the whole time. Painting a picture for the minds eye was exactly what I was attempting to do.

Man, if I could find someone to collaborate with, we may Coates a run for his money. Again sincere appreciation for your words fam.


Weren't you working with Apex a while back? Or did time constraints become an issue?

Yes,I was. I'm not sure about time constraints but other factors were a concern. Apex would be better suited to explain such matters Ezyo.

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