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Who wants to play a game? These are straight facts, no chasers, no opinion, just numbers. Ok some opinion, based on fact though lol.

- BP v7 #16 is the 8th lowest issue sold in Black Panther history.

- If you limit it to T'challa lead issues (aka throw out Kasper Cole), BPv7 #16 is the 5th lowest issue sold in Black Panther History. The top 4 were all Liss run.

- T'challa lead Priest issues never sold under 20K in 49 issues with no marketing gimmicks, no renumbering, no event cross overs. He didnt fall to BP#16 range until his 60th issue using Kasper Cole. For the non Black Panther fans in here, remember, Priest lasted 62 issues with no gimmicks, no renumber, no crossovers, barely any marketing, no movies, no TV, taking an absolute dead character and re-inventing him...  WITH editorial interference being forced to use Vin Diesel look alike Kasper towards the end. 

- Hudlin's lowest issue was 19,455.

- Mayberry's lowest issue was 17,881

- BPv7, #16 is Coates 40th BP Issue. Priest 40th issue sold 20,188 (and held that number until issue 52! aka had a dedicated fan base until nuked by Kasper).

- Hudlin's 40th issue he wrote was actually vol5 #2, which sold 33,750. The 40th issue of vol4 was SWAD, written by Aaron. Hudlin's 38th issue sold 19,455.

- Priest average sales number was 25,241. If you throw out Kasper run, its 27,250.

- Hudlin's entire volumes averaged 35K. Use only volume 4 (his main one), and its 37,314. If you use issues Hudlin actually wrote (throw out mayberry and aaron), and its 37,114.

- Coates current average is 42,450. Which is obviously beyond solid... until you dig a bit.

- If you throat out Coates #1's (aka marketing gimmicks that do not reflect writing quality at all) and his intial legacy renumber marketing gimmick, and his average plummets to 34,462

- Hell, if you throw out JUST Coates initial #1 that did 200+ K sales that literally had absolutely nothing to do with writing quality and was purely based on speculation and hype, his average drops from 42,450 to 37,180!

- The entire basis of "Coates is the best seller of BP ever!" is all because of ONE FREAKING ISSUE! that had everyting to do with Hickman, years of no black panther solos, and Coates literary fame and absolutely NOTHING to do with Coate's writing itself. ONE ISSUE!! You throw out that one issue and Coate's SOLD NO BETTER THAT HUDLIN despite a billion dollar movie, despite "twitter followers," despite cartoons, despite merchandise everywhere.

- Let Coates keep his legacy renumbering, just take out his two #1's, drops to 34,991.

- If you think I am just chery picking, throw out Hudlins' two #1's and his mariage issue... 35,754.

WGC is a fake site Ture.

There business model is to just spew bullsh*t 24/7, and then cherry pick the stuff they get "right" and brag about later. They get it right because they jus tmake up stuff constantly.

It's such bullsh*t that even forums dedicated to rumors and marvel have banned posting it .

So, i wouldn't get too atttached

Thanks for the heads up MindofShadow.

The Black Panther Statue is King of the Avengers Assemble Collection

“If you attack me, you attack the kingdom of Wakanda.”

Sideshow presents the Black Panther Statue, leaping into action as a part of the Avengers Assemble Collection. The 1:5 scale polyresin Black Panther Statue measures 16″ tall as the King of Wakanda lunges forward in a dynamic and dramatic pose, clutching a Wakandan spear weapon to aid his allies.

Black Panther’s costume is fully sculpted, complete with silver vibranium accents, unique suit textures, and a panther medallion around his neck. His cracked earth proximity base compliments the other Avengers statues in the collection and can be displayed alongside them to create a larger action scene.

Wakanda Forever! Bring home the king and add the Black Panther Statue to your collection today. Pre-orders for the Black Panther Statue will begin on Thursday, June 13th between 12pm-3pm PDT and this exciting Marvel collectible will be priced at $420.00 USD.

Artist Credits:

Design: Richard Luong
Sculpt: Igor Catto, Steve Lord, and Martin Canale
Mold and Cast: Chadwick Andersen, Jeremy Williams
Paint: Sandy Shaffer, Chie Izuma

Black Panther 2’s Title May Have Been Revealed
By Scott Campbell

It would be fair to say that Black Panther wasn’t just another comic book movie, it was a genuine cultural phenomenon. Ryan Coogler’s entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe dominated the conversation for months on its way to earning over $1.3bn at the box office and becoming the first superhero film to ever be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards.

Naturally, a sequel is one of the most highly-anticipated releases in the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s future despite the massive number of film and television projects announced by the studio for Phase Four and beyond, and Black Panther 2 was officially revealed to the surprise of nobody at the recent D23 Expo, with a May 2022 release date.

No plot details are known at this point, but it’s expected that the majority of the first installment’s main cast will return for further adventures in Wakanda along with some new faces, but we’ll need to wait and see how Phase Four pans out before any educated guesses can be made about what lies in wait for T’Challa.

That being said, sources close to We Got This Covered – the same ones who revealed that the real Mandarin would be the villain in Shang-Chi and that the Inhumans will be rebooted in Ms. Marvel, both of which have since been confirmed – have told us that the movie’s title may end up being Black Panther: Lost Kingdom, which follows the typical Marvel Studios template of giving the majority of their sequels a subtitle.

While the potential moniker doesn’t reveal what direction the story could go, it figures that the post-credits scene of Black Panther where Chadwick Boseman’s king revealed Wakanda’s status as a technologically advanced civilization after keeping it hidden from the world for so long will factor heavily into the narrative. Beyond that, though, we can’t speculate too much else on what the title hints at.

It should also be noted that this current title is subject to change – remember how many different titles Endgame went through? From what we understand, Black Panther: Lost Kingdom is only what it’s being called right now and as production continues, Marvel can always decide on something else. But if this is indeed what they end up settling on, tell us, would you be alright with it? Sound off down below and let us know.

5 Reasons Black Panther Should Lead The MCU's Next Saga (& 5 Why It Should Be Captain Marvel)

The Marvel Cinematic Universe just wrapped up its first saga, the 23-part Infinity Saga, and the studio is wasting no time in entering into its next, as-yet-untitled saga. Exactly which character was the star of the Infinity Saga is debatable – Tony Stark provided its emotional core, while Steve Rogers was the leader of the Avengers – but one thing is clear: the MCU’s next saga will need a new star. With Tony and Steve retired from the franchise, the burden of leading the MCU from Phase 4 onwards will fall to either Black Panther or Captain Marvel.


Naturally, whoever leads the next saga in the MCU will need to be a strong leader. As the son of a king, T’Challa was born to be a leader, so taking over the Avengers and the MCU would be a logical step for him. T’Challa is a lot like Steve Rogers, who arguably led the Infinity Saga and was similarly a born leader, which might have contributed to why the two became such good friends throughout Phase 3.

On the other hand, Tony Stark wasn’t a born leader, and many Marvel fans would say that he was the star of the Infinity Saga, not Steve, so maybe it’s not essential.


Since she only just got her origin story on the back end of the Infinity Saga and only appeared briefly in Avengers: Endgame to give the original six members of the team one last chance to shine in their big finale, Carol Danvers is a relatively fresh face in the MCU. The Infinity Saga wouldn’t be all that different without her. T’Challa, on the other hand, played a very important role in the Infinity Saga.

From his first appearance in Captain America: Civil War to his protection of the Vision in Avengers: Infinity War to being the first hero out of the portals in Avengers: Endgame, Black Panther was one of the stars of the Infinity Saga, so it would make more sense to give Carol the bigger role going forward.


Captain Marvel’s attendance in the MCU was established as pretty spotty in Avengers: Endgame, with the flimsy excuse given that she’s off on other planets, helping alien races who don’t have an Avengers team to protect them. But T’Challa is the monarch of a nation on Earth, so he won’t be galivanting off into outer space any time soon. Black Panther has gone cosmic in the comics in the past couple of years, but that’s a very recent change to the character. Traditionally, he’s been Earth-bound, just like Iron Man and Captain America. Earth’s mightiest heroes need a mighty hero from Earth to lead them.

The Infinity Saga focused heavily on Earth-based stories with a couple of dalliances into the cosmic side of things, and it looks as though the next stage of the MCU will be focusing more on the mystical side of things (Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, the multiverse etc.) and the cosmic side of things (the Eternals, more Waititi-helmed Thor, the Guardians of the Galaxy etc.).

As the self-appointed protector of the universe, Carol Danvers would be the perfect character to lead the MCU into a more expansive cosmic presence. She’s dedicated herself to aiding any planet or race that’s in danger.


The MCU has always been renowned for its immersive world-building, but the production design of Wakanda is iconographic. Its Afrofuturistic visual style, pioneered by Black Panther director Ryan Coogler, is not only aesthetically pleasing; it’s also entirely unique. The planets seen in Guardians of the Galaxy are sumptuous and enticing, but planets like that can be found basically anywhere in the science fiction genre.

Wakanda is a world of its own, and Marvel fans are excited to continue revisiting it for years to come. If Black Panther takes over the MCU, then we’ll be heading back to Wakanda more than we already will be.


Black Panther has plenty of responsibility as the ruler of an entire country that he is guiding into a more progressive and open-minded future. But Carol Danvers has accepted an even bigger responsibility: keeping the entire universe safe from genocidal tyrants like Thanos and oppressive militaries like the Kree Starforce. If Black Panther was going to lead the entire MCU, then Wakanda would become the focus of the whole universe.

If Captain Marvel takes over, then the possibilities for storytelling and world-building will remain endless. With Carol, even the sky isn’t the limit, because she can literally fly through space.


Carol Danvers might be good friends with Nick Fury and pen pals with a couple of Avengers, but she’s pretty much removed from the wider MCU. Black Panther, on the other hand, is embedded in the wider universe. He took in Bucky and got Shuri to de-brainwash him.

He took in the Vision when Thanos was coming and teamed up with Earth’s mightiest heroes to fight off the Black Order. And in the non-superpowered corners of the world, T’Challa is expanding Wakanda’s resources to help less advantaged people. So, it makes more sense to make him the star of the MCU’s future.


In the months leading up to Captain Marvel’s debut in the MCU, Marvel continually stressed that she was the most powerful Avenger yet, with power on Thanos’ level, but then in Avengers: Endgame, there was just one little fight between the two and Thanos beat Captain Marvel. This turned out to be more narratively satisfying, since it placed the focus on the original Avengers and gave Tony Stark a chance at closure by being the one to take out the Mad Titan.

But it also made Marvel’s insistence that Carol could defeat Thanos singlehandedly a little confusing and redudant. However, if she takes over the MCU from here, it makes perfect sense – we all know she’s the most powerful hero in the franchise, and that makes her qualified.


Both Black Panther and Captain Marvel’s initial solo outings cracked $1 billion at the worldwide box office, but the former has proven to be a lot more popular among fans than the latter. Obviously, there’s a small subset of the fan base that hates Carol simply because she’s a woman, but going beyond that, her arrogance and condescension towards her fellow heroes seem to have rubbed a lot of impartial fans the wrong way.

T’Challa’s good-hearted nature, his drive to do the right thing, and his refusal to quip have made him both an inspiring superhero and a breath of fresh air.


Black Panther has been heavily involved with the Avengers – from joining Iron Man in the fight for the Sokovia Accords to giving Captain America political asylum in Wakanda to battling Thanos with the Avengers not once, but twice – but apart from Cap making him an honorary member on the battlefield in Endgame (“Avengers...assemble!”), he’s not an official member of the team, nor does he seem interested in becoming one.

A character can’t really lead the MCU if they’re not a bona fide member of the Avengers, because the Avengers movies anchor the whole franchise, and Captain Marvel worked closely with the team in Endgame.

Black Panther / Re: BP710:THE PROTOCOLS - PANTHER X
« on: October 21, 2019, 10:11:32 pm »
Cool layout Cville. When I created the Vibranium Trumpet it was designed to update the Black Panther enthusiasts,fans and casuals with some of the major occurrences happening in the franchise. The news delivered was sometimes satirical; often took creative license; certainly provocative, yet accurate; a way of giving a wink at the reader. 

That being said remember all submissions must go through the WOPP (Wakandan Office of Protocol and Propaganda)and be approved by the Vibranium Trumpet's Editor in Chief to ensure the proper pro Wakandan and Black Panther slant.




Wakanda Forever.

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther's Agents of Wakanda
« on: October 20, 2019, 10:16:55 am »
MCU most certainly, as for the comics... there is a certain mutant woman that occupies that space for now. I wonder if they'll break up again if the Krakoa goes to war with Wakanda?

I'm wonder if Hickman has gained complete control over Storm? It seems like he's been given the total reigns over mutants in MU.

Good point Kip. I think Coates' status may make Hickman amendable to Storm being apart of Black Panther's world. The question is what kind of relationship will they have? Ideally they could serve as the bridge between human and mutant kind. All kinds of stories could be derived from their attempts to unite these two factions.

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther's Agents of Wakanda
« on: October 19, 2019, 05:12:58 am »
MCU most certainly, as for the comics... there is a certain mutant woman that occupies that space for now. I wonder if they'll break up again if the Krakoa goes to war with Wakanda?

Black Panther / Re: BP710:THE PROTOCOLS - PANTHER X
« on: October 19, 2019, 05:08:47 am »
Marvel's House of X Subtly Teases An Avengers vs X-Men Sequel
by Tim Adams


Black Panther v X Men - The Wakandan Krakdown!

The franchise-changing themes being established in Jonathan Hickman's House of X and Powers of X will have repercussions for not only the X-Men, but the entire Marvel Universe. As humans try to adjust to the new mutant status quo, superheroes will have to do the same, but with varying results.

We receive a glimpse of this in House of X #1, when Cyclops is confronted by the Fantastic Four. The tense standoff appears to foreshadow an eventual clash between the X-Men and Marvel's First Family, but another war is teased in House of X #5. This time, fans may expect the major revelation will lead to a sequel to the blockbuster 2012 crossover, Avengers vs. X-Men.

After the United Nations pass a vote to allow the X-Men to establish a mutant sovereign nation, a data page highlights the countries that have rejected a trade treaty with Krakoa. The treaty is based on human nations and mutants reaching an agreement on the pharmaceutical drugs produced on Krakoa. While more than 100 nations have accepted a Krakoan trade deal, a small number decides mutant drugs aren't for them. In response, the X-Men categorize those countries as adversarial; the nation that stands out most is Wakanda, home of the Black Panther.

Wakanda is a proud nation, and also one of the most advanced in the entire Marvel Universe, thanks to its Vibranium natural resource. "They do not need mutant drugs" is the notation on the Mutant Diplomacy infographic, which could simply mean Wakanda has no need for outside drugs when the nation is capable of taking care of its own citizens. However, it's the bright red highlight over the "Reason for Rejection" that makes us take pause.

House of X and Powers of X have used the red highlight as a sign of importance to alert readers. For example, all of the major revelations -- the Moira MacTaggert mutant retcon in House of X #2 and the mutant resurrections in House of X #5 -- were highlighted in red for the checklist found in each issue. Marvel clearly has plans to revisit Wakanda's stance, but what makes this a potential Avengers vs. X-Men II is Black Panther's current role as Avengers chairman.

This new iteration of the Avengers brought back the Big 3 of Iron Man, Captain America and Thor, with Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Ghost Rider (Robbie Reyes), She-Hulk and Doctor Strange filling out the roster, although the Sorcerer Supreme left following the team's battle with the Celestials. Instead of assigning Iron Man or Captain America the leader of Earth's Mightiest Heroes, the members selected Black Panther as chairman. So if the X-Men should decide to take aggressive action against Wakanda, you can be sure Black Panther will bring the Avengers along as backup.

read rest of article here.

Kevin Feige Planning To Reboot All The Marvel TV Characters In The MCU
By David James

With a Thanos-like click of his fingers, Kevin Feige is reportedly planning to render every single existing Marvel TV show non-canon and reboot the characters for the MCU. According to our sources, this means that, as far as MCU continuity is concerned, the thrills of Daredevil never happened, the Runaways never ran away, the Punisher didn’t punish anyone and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.may as well have stayed at home. Instead, the characters used in the Marvel TV shows will be rebooted, either for inclusion in the Disney Plus lineup or perhaps on the big screen.

For those that have been watching the awkward relationship between Marvel Studios’ film and TV divisions, this isn’t wholly surprising. Despite early claims that the Marvel TV shows would be as crucial to the MCU’s ongoing story as the films, most quickly realized that they weren’t. In the end, the crossovers between them amounted to a few references to the Battle of New York and the odd throwaway line that mentioned things like ‘the big green guy’ and so on. By the later seasons of the Netflix shows, they weren’t even bothering to CGI Avengers Tower into the New York skyline and Thanos’ Snap went bizarrely unmentioned.

Their separation is largely the result of the long feud between Kevin Feige and Marvel Entertainment President Ike Perlmutter. The two have repeatedly clashed on political grounds, with Feige wanting to introduce a more obscure and diverse cast of heroes to the films (a philosophy that’s resulted in huge success stories like Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther), while Perlmutter argued for more traditional white, male heroes. With Feige’s work bringing in billions at the box office, he won the fight and Perlmutter was sidelined by Disney and tasked with overseeing the less prestigious TV projects (with Jeph Loeb handling the creative aspects).

Now, with Kevin Feige newly installed as Chief Creative Officer at Marvel, it seems he’s clearing house and wants to do his own takes on the Marvel TV properties. There are reports he’s eager to start with Ghost Rider, but with the rights to the Netflix characters reverting wholly to Marvel Studios in 2020, I’d expect to see a new and fully MCU integrated Daredevil before too long.

And on that note, our sources – the same ones who recently brought us accurate scoops such as Wiccan will debut in WandaVision, General Ross will appear in She-Hulk and the Inhumans will show up in Ms. Marvel – say that the Man Without Fear is likely to be played by Charlie Cox again. From what we understand, Feige still wants Cox as Daredevil, Jon Bernthal as the Punisher and a few more actors to reprise their roles, but for the most part, the TV characters will all be recast and whether they’re brought to life by a new performer or not, they’ll all be rebooted, with the super producer basically wanting to wipe Marvel TV’s efforts from continuity/existence.

There’s a lot to digest here and the specifics of how it’ll all work out are still unclear, but our sources tell us that Feige doesn’t care for these shows at all and is happy to just pretend they never happened. Which, quite frankly, is probably for the best.

Marvel Reveals Stylish Dustin Weaver Black Panther Variant Cover (Exclusive)


Ta-Nehisi Coates has taken the Black Panther character and T'Challa's mythos into some amazing new directions during his Intergalactic Empire run, and Black Panther #19 starts the march towards the arc's finale. Fans are eager to see how this adventure ends, and while we will have to wait for those answers for a while longer, we can give you a glimpse of one of the upcoming variant covers. We're giving you an exclusive first look at Dustin Weaver's stylish new variant cover to Black Panther #19, which features Black Panther surrounded by allies and enemies, and you can check out the slick new cover in the image below.

As fans who have been keeping up with the series know, the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda has started their invasion of Earth and their assault on Wakanda Prime thanks to N'Jadaka, which is certainly enough of a headache to deal with. Things get worse though evidently in Black Panther #17, which teases that the body of Eric Killmonger has fallen into his enemies' hands, and that is the last thing he needed.

In Black Panther #18 fans will finally get some long-awaited answers in regards to T'Challa's fall from royalty to becoming a slave of the empire, and then it's time for issue #19, which kicks off the last leg of this big-time arc with a bang.

Black Panther #19 is written by Ta-Nehisi Coates and drawn by Ryan Bodenheim and a main cover by Meghan Hetrick. You can find the official description for the book below.

The groundbreaking story of a king who became a slave - a slave who became a legend - reaches a tipping point as N'Jadaka's invasion of Earth continues! Wakanda goes to war against its own future...and its only hope lies in the king who brought them to this point."

Black Panther #19 hits comic stores on December 18th.

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther's Agents of Wakanda
« on: October 18, 2019, 08:06:09 pm »
Okoye's ascension is really absurd and shows how much the ball got dropped

She was THE right or die Dora in Priest run

To completely disappearing from existence.

To magically coming back MID RUN of Coates with no explanation and she just re-assumes her "tchalla right hand gal" position with no dialogue

What I think is more interesting is just how much hype and push Okoye is getting. She is likely getting just as popular as Shuri of not more so, and what has she done to get that hype? Be extremely loyal to the crown and being T'Challas ride or die chick. It's almost to the point where I think she would actually make a great LI for T'Challa..  Yeah I said it

In truth, that was the original purpose of the Dora Milaje, to be wives for the Black Panther, so I don't think such a situationship would be that far a stretch.

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther's Agents of Wakanda
« on: October 18, 2019, 05:43:46 pm »
I opt for the magical come back of 616 W'Kabi, Zuri, Nakia and Uncle S'Yan. Not to mention some powerful non mutant Wakandans and an identifiable Wakandan armed forces to serve as some red shirts.

Best to ignore Nnedi Okorafor's killing of Malice. Maybe explore that alternate timeline McGregor had Monica die in. So much Black Panther potential. Make it so.

Black Panther / Re: BP710:THE PROTOCOLS - PANTHER X
« on: October 16, 2019, 05:55:35 pm »


The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***    The Vibranium Trumpet   *** Sounding the alarm... ***

The Mutants known as the X Men continue their provocation against the Black Panther and Wakanda in their monthly periodical. While propaganda stills show Cyclops' opti-blast impotent against the realms greatest natural resource they go on to show Magneto (under great strain) ripping a thin sheet of vibranium. The question begging the asking is how did Orchis acquire our precious metal?

The Mutant's exploitation of Storm, former Wakandan queen and current love interest of our beloved King T'Challa continues unabated. Ororo's friendship with them has caused repeated strain on their relationship. The day may soon be approaching when she will have to choose either the Black Panther or the X Men.


A Vibranium Trumpet source has just confirmed that sometime next month a group of X Men will be on the moon at the same time as the Black Panther and his Agents of Wakanda. Here are the pictures she sent us.

Mere coincidence? We think not. Why are the X Men there and what does that mean for the Black Panther? Is a confrontation inevitable? Tune in to November's issue of the Vibranium Trumpet to read the latest on these events as they occur.

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther's Agents of Wakanda
« on: October 16, 2019, 05:10:25 pm »
The Black Panther protected by his own Wakandan tech ... good to see.

The Black Panther striking Sentry twice and dodging his punch... good to see.

Would have preferred T'challa delivering this blow via his uniform absorbing some of the high levels of energy Sentry was giving off.

Would have preferred T'challa's King of the Dead power manifesting some arcane, mystic force to dispose of these entities.

The last two statements are why I would have preferred Black Panther Agents of Wakanda be a Wakandan centered team utilizing the best of their knowledge and resources to deal with situations that could potentially threaten their nation. 

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