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Disgraceful! Ryan Coogler is a villain the likes of which Wakanda has never encountered! Klaw, Killmonger, Anton Pretorius, Azania, Kiber the Cruel, Achebe, Niganda, Doom, Thanos, none have inflicted a fraction of the damage on Wakanda as has Coogler! None have taken more from fans of T’Challa the Black Panther. His betrayal the latest and greatest from the recent line of Black creatives to attend to the Black Panther.

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Thank you for all the updates Brother Ture! I will never see this film for many of the reasons you’ve iterated. Additionally, I am sick of the fascination with fatalism that these young creatives seem to revere. Fictional heroes should transcend mortality, especially when it comes to the imbalance of representation by characters who look like us. The emotional overreaction of the cast and crew that allowed them to co-sign the decision to kill off T’Challa is actually causing a schism in the Black community as those of us who find the decision untenable are being accused of everything from misogyny to infantilism to being “anti-woke” when most have only asked that they not kill off who for many of us is the first superhero we encountered that looked like us. A hero whose adventures we’ve followed for decades and hoped to see more of on the silver screen. No disrespect to Chadwick Boseman, who’s loss I mourned two years ago, T’Challa is a larger than life, iconic character who did not need to die for a third time in less than 3 MCU appearances. I believe Chadwick would feel so too from what I’ve seen and heard of his reverence for the character and the fans. What Coogler, Moore, Feige and Marvel have done is turn T’Challa into a joke who will be remembered, if at all for dying and all for their ill-conceived desire to turn Wakanda into Black Themyscira while swapping an historic Black male icon for a newly minted Mexican male idol and revenue stream. Why is their only room for one minority male monarch in the MCU? They were set to have positive Black representation for Black boys and girls to witness the power of strong male and female heroes working together, but decided instead to take the opportunity mitigate costs and eliminate a strong Black unencumbered male character, dishonoring the work Chadwick put in and snubbing their noses at true fans of T’Challa, son of T’Chaka and N’Yami, King of Wakanda.

No peace,

Mont

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Not one effing word was uttered by any of them about the fans, not one!!! Coogler wanted to explore the impact of T’Challa’s death on Shuri, on Ramonda, on every fictional character with no consideration for the impact on his real life fans, those expected to pay to see the film! They made BP2WF for themselves. As far as I’m concerned they can pay for it themselves. I would love to see the only dollars it makes be any they collect from holding private screenings for themselves. What they’ve done is vain and self-serving. We entrusted these creatives with a character we supported, we went to the newsstands, drug stores, comic book shops to consume his adventures for decades and they just threw him in the trash. Shame on all of them! I am angry with all of them that support this middle finger to all true T’Challa fans. I will never see this film even when it is available for free.

No peace,

Mont

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Black Panther / Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever
« on: September 10, 2022, 08:09:16 pm »
And in the process they are ironically undervaluing the men by their removal and reduction In this movie.

The first movie didn't resonate because of womanhood. It resonated because of black UNITY. Black men and women shining and rising together.


Exactly Ezyo, exactly! The schism that results when Black men are marginalized if not exterminated, while Black women are elevated is harmful to Black families and lineage, and deliberately so. It is a genocide by halves cultivated through vice, seduction, privilege and greed.

No peace,

Mont

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And behind it all, Marvel appears content with all the harm they’ve instigated, the division they’ve sown. This really bugs the crap out of me because it is too analogous to the way America’s removed Black men from Black families in droves, creating a disproportionate burden on Black mothers, fostering resentment, misandry/misogyny, and intentionally mitigating the power Black people, couples, families could wield.

My Two Cents!

Peace,

Mont

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I agree with that. A retelling of Priests "The Client" with some small changes (age of the Dora's for instance) would be awesome

I would also love to see CJP’s “The Client” which the MCU was perfectly set up to explore with T’Challa having opened up Wakanda to the outside world and having reason to spend time in America restoring a Wakandan spy network and investigating the new Avengers.

My change, which Hudlin wisely ignored/dropped would be to nix the inoperable brain aneurism which was the one thing I hated about Priest’s run.

My Two Cents!

Peace,

Mont

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How do you treat T’Challa like trash in his own book and then offer all this Wakandan bonus content!?! They would get so much more support for this if they would do right by T’Challa!

No peace,

Mont

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Be my guest EJ I knew you guys would get my not so sugar “Coated” meaning. I always say to each his/her own, but I can’t help hoping that BP2WF significantly underperforms at the box office even though I realize Feige profit proofed it by making Namor Hispanic and instigating Black/Brown animosity. Que sera?

Ezyo, right with you bruh.

Peace,

Mont

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Damn, damn, damn! Quoting the great Florida Evans in case anyone wants to label me misogynist!?!

Totally sympathize with Gessela! Never expected such a stinging betrayal from Marvel, but I suppose it was foolish of me to invest so much hope and time and money into something I have absolutely no control over, something I can’t influence in any way? I think back to “Stan’s Soapbox” and wonder if even in those simpler times it was all just a mirage? I actually had given up comics for a while, finished undergrad, got married, had a kid, worked 3 sometimes 4 jobs when Quesada’s Marvel Knights caught my attention and Christopher Preist turned me completely around with “The Client!” I was out and they pulled me back in! It was a glorious time with Avery Brooks’ Benjamin Sisko kicking ass in space and T’Challa taking names here on Earth my head was firmly somewhere in between.

As is the way with all things Sisko’s adventures ended and CJP moved on, but in Marvel at least I’ve been clinging to the hope that another inspired artist/creator would expound upon the T’Challa I’d come to admire and create more adventures I’d look forward to consuming. A decade or more of frustrating ups and downs was met with the promise of the MCU and the real possibility of seeing T’Challa on the silver screen. Assuredly we’d get the best version for “BP the Movie” likely to the chagrin of many a fanboy who couldn’t abide by an Uber competent, powerful and genius, A-list, super Black Panther, moved to the front of the Avengers class photo and helming his own celluloid franchise.

The gift of Chadwick Boseman was too good to be true and Marvel seemed to surround him with a near perfect compliment of talents. The creative team recognized the genius of CJP’s Panther and employed a heavy dose for the character’s mix, the excitement was palpable. Nation building concessions, Shuri, MBJ an elevated Ross aside, the future looked bright until the star burned out and Chadwick passed on. With his passing, the only barrier between the T’Challa centered Wakanda I loved and the revisionist, newly “Coated,” progressive Wakanda, surpassing years of tried and true Black Panther content, was gone. What was to come, anyone’s guess?

The overly sentimental, self-serving, audience dismissive and bone-headed decision to kill off T’Challa, a third death in four MCU appearances, perhaps was one that should have been expected given Marvel’s editorial disregard for their groundbreaking, iconic character and testament to diversity in a medium grossly lacking appropriate representation. The ease at which they have committed to assassinating their most tactically brilliant, wealthiest, scientifically ingenious, martially dangerous and sovereign Black superhero, the first in mainstream comics, with hardly any of his stories told, should be universally alarming. But Marvel maintains the guise of tribute and respect as if eliminating powerful Black male icons wasn’t part of an age old global agenda.

I’m with Gessela! And I will not support BP2WF despite my regard for Queen Bassett, Danai, Lupita and Duke. Marvel doesn’t give a sh*t about what I think or want and their perverse take on “the show must go on,” reliving the trauma of Chadwick’s death through T’Challa instead of sharing the same settings, costumes and action with a new talent vetted to honor he who came before, makes absolutely no sense other than in the context of the replacement of positive Black male icons who cow tow to no one and inspire generations. I’m out, again.

No peace,

Mont

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Need to see how all of this plays out, but I have no confidence in what Feige will allow and Coogler will do with T’Challa or Wakanda. I enjoyed Black Panther despite a compromised T’Challa, clearly an upgrade over how he was being presented in his own book, but their quick and easy determination to do away with the iconic character Stan & Jack created, CJP reinvigorated and Chadwick breathed life into belies even the disturbing industry inkling toward superhero fatalism, snuffing out T’Challa before any reasonable exploration of his most impactful, instrumental and inspiring 616 exploits and interactions.

No peace,

Mont

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Agreed EJ! Very astute and your point as to Nezhno is well put and well taken. I had very high hopes for him as a new hero out of Wakanda, but find it very frustrating how they’ve handcuffed/chained/leashed his power and further constrained him with the code name “Gentle” and a corresponding personality of someone tamed or housebroken.

Peace,

Mont

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Exactly. Now let’s say there isn’t some subversive, widespread agenda to eliminate or mute a minority character, an influential Black male superhero like T’Challa of such power and independence (I can’t help but recall T’Chaka’s interaction with the officials from other nations at the Bilderberg conference from Hudlin’s WITBP issue #3). Why wouldn’t a progressive, multi-media entity that is promoting diversity and inclusion, hiring minority talent and expanding representation of diverse characters, recognize what it has in the first of such, created by their very own beloved founder Stan “the Man” Lee and double down on his example?

In fairness, I would not argue if they said they attempted to do this by making him the Avenger’s Chairman in Aaron’s run on their flagship team book. However, by simultaneously allowing T’Challa to be so diminished in his own title, to the point of humiliation, ouster and now elimination from the MCU, killing him yet again, before appearing in his second solo outing, they are effectively assassinating T’Challa. Trying to make sense of it, I can’t dismiss the thought that he, in some eyes, may have been too powerful, too independent, too influential for some tastes that may more easily swallow a Black Cap or Iron Man light? I’m struggling to place a value on diversity so measured.

No peace,

Mont
 

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I will be out on any of it!

Peace,

Mont

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I've felt for a few years that Marvel doesn't like monarchs in general. Namor cant keep Atlantis together for more than a year. Then they shuffle him off to some random team. I dont know where Black Bolt is right now. But they usually un-King him too. Editorial lacks creativity outside NY and crossover events.

Tweeted these thoughts earlier, I believe them to be relevant…

Sam Wilson - military vet, social worker, Cap sidekick: made Captain America.
James Rhodes - vet. fighter pilot, Iron Man sidekick: made War Machine.
T'Challa/BP - King of Wakanda, Ph.D in Physics, tactical genius & master martial artist: tarnish in BP comic & erase from MCU!?!

T'Challa is not just the first mainstream Black superhero, he's the most financially secure, politically powerful, self-sufficient of all Marvel heroes. He's religiously disparate & globally influential. His deconstruction & erasure feels like an assassination!

My Two Cents,

Peace,

Mont

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It's hard for me to think of any other comic book headlining character where it seems the steady goal to is to make their books about anyone but them, outside of Black Panther. Why is it so "hard" to focus on T'Challa, build him up, give him an interesting journey that affects and changes him (for the positive), that allows him to affect the world (in generally positive ways)?

I don't see a steady drumbeat of deconstruction, of being labeled the fault and blame all the time-for any other headlining character. Certainly, there have been challenges, great failures, mistakes, tragedies, and moments for character growth, but it seems like with other books the focus is still kept on their headliners and reinforcing how necessary their headliners are in the books that bear their names.

I totally feel you EJ! Fact is Marvel don’t give a ish about what T’Challa fans want. Haven’t for years and I believe that the middling sales of the title is a direct result.

Peace,

Mont

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