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Yeah... Except the whole sleeper agent things is so incredibly weak it's not even funny. Literally every nation (including Wakanda for literally centuries) has sleeper agents. Hell it's been known to the average Wakandans for years since he debut in FF. It's hardly new or "shocking" information.

The writer of the article is reaching HARD. This is about as ridiculous as the article written years ago trying to claim that Narcisse Rise series featured T'Challa as a weak protagonist and why that was a good thing. Saying ignorance such as "He wasn't afraid to ask for help and rely on his sister for help and inhibit toxic masculinity" when in the issue they are talking about this taking place literally had him shut Shuri down when she offers to help and he tells her he is going completely radio silence.

Man these folks get annoying



THIS. RIGHT. HERE.

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Captain America's Newest Villain Is Corrupting Black Panther's MCU Catchphrase
By TIMOTHY ADAMS

Black Panther's catchphrase from the Marvel Cinematic Universe is being corrupted by a returning Marvel villain. Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 features Sam Wilson's first solo series as Cap since he starred in 2015's Captain America: Sam Wilson. Sam and Steve Rogers are sharing the Captain America mantle, with Steve's Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty debuting in June. While Sam is on the hunt for a train transporting super-soldier serum, a villain with ties to Black Panther appears to be stepping up to be Symbol of Truth's main villain.

WARNING: Spoilers for Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 are below. Continue at your own risk!

In an earlier flashback scene in Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 from Tochi Onyebuchi, R.B. Silva, VC's Joe Caramagna, and Jesus Aburtov took readers to Harlem, where Sam Wilson and Misty Knight were having a diner date. Misty was a supporting character in Captain America: Sam Wilson, and a short-lived romance blossomed between the two characters. After debating who has the best fried chicken, they go on a walk to wear off some of the food they just ate. During their walk, they come across a gathering of "Wakanda Forever" protestors, who are calling out America for its treatment of Black people. Sam takes it as a sign that he isn't doing his job as Captain America. One of the members of the movement even has a "Wakanda Forever" sign with them.



Of course, "Wakanda Forever" is the chant that the late Chadwick Boseman made famous in 2018's Black Panther movie. The catchphrase became a rallying cry for fans around the world, who would greet the Black Panther actors with the saying during all of their promotional appearances for the Marvel film. Along with saying "Wakanda Forever," characters would put their arms across their chests in the form of an "X." Also, the sequel to 2018's Black Panther is titled Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The "Wakanda Forever" movement appears on the surface to be harmless; however, the person who may be secretly manipulating events from the shadows makes their presence known near the end of Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 when they free Crossbones from jail.

White Wolf, who readers saw in Captain America #0, has plans to free and recruit Crossbones to help him kill Captain America, and also overthrow some counties. White Wolf is the adopted brother of T'Challa, with King T'Chaka taking him in as a child when his parents died in a plane crash. Hunter would go on to lead Wakanda's secret police force, the Hatut Zeraze, before eventually adopting the codename of White Wolf.



It's very likely that White Wolf is behind the "Wakanda Forever" movement, helping to grow tensions between America and Wakanda. If the two countries are in conflict with each other, it makes White Wolf's job easier to overthrow each government. Of course, Captain America and Black Panther would be his two biggest obstacles in completing his evil plan, which is why Crossbones is being brought in to take care of Cap.

Do you think White Wolf is behind the "Wakanda Forever" movement in Captain America: Symbol of Truth? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/captain-america-white-wolf-black-panther-mcu-catchphrase/


Here they go with that Wakandan "blacks" vs American "blacks" nonsense. Even after the Black Panther solo film bought together Afrakans males and females, Afrakans from the continent and throughout diaspora together in appreciation of a Afrakan (so called black) male superhero, his family and Afrakan nation. They got Snap Wilson (a derogatory reference given to the former pimp turned America's second favorite son) speaking somewhat divisively about Wakanda.

The House of Ideas is truly no more.

To add further insult to injury Sam Cap borrows one of the Black Panther's original villains to be one of his antagonist. The White Wolf should be about to be revealed in Ridley's Black Panther comic book as the mastermind behind the attack on T'Challa and his network of spies not some guest villain in a Cap spinoff. If that weren't enough, they're using "Wakanda Forever" as a slogan out of context. Way to show T'Challa the Black Panther and the actor who portrayed him and made those words famous around the world their proper respect.


Beat me to it...




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They are definitely trying hard. But the ONLY Silver lining is that No one on the franchise sells. Only T'Challa can sell. They have tried and failed multiple times to push Shuri, Okoye, MA etc. And they will continue to fail because they want to spin off but didn't bother to actually develop these characters and assumed that the MCU versions would grab people when all this done in Shuris case is make her a worse character that is dragging down T'Challa
Unfortunately this does fall at the feet of Hudlin because he didn't take Shuris Creation further than ", Back up their and replacement for T'Challa Incase he dies". And left her a blank slate that was just inferior T'Challa.she had no Lane to occupy so now we are getting teen Shuri who still can't sell because moon girl does it better and has a dinosaur.

This is the kind of research and strategic planning that should have been alluded to in Legends.

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Marvel Anatomy: A Study of the Superhuman

Fans and enthusiasts of the Black Panther can only wait for the forthcoming renaissance that will put T'Challa the Black Panther in his proper context.




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I think you're definitely right to an extent with the above. I do agree with your comment that RH didn't develop Shuri enough [ although there are flashes of a significant base for Shuri in RH's spare prose style ]. Remember that he started to delve into her more in the very arc that saw T'Challa lock horns with Killmonger in RH's book? By that time, the art quality had dropped dramatically, but the introduction of Killmonger to RH's book definitely made me and most of us...even Jenn when she was here [ where IS Jenn nowadays, anyway? ] stand up. His run on BP was shut down just as he was "starting to begin" to more substantively address that very matter with SHURI.



I don't think that Shuri, however, hasn't been given enough material to truly build from. Extracting the good parts of Maberry's run and Hickman's run regarding Shuri, combining these with the foundation laid by RH, and...dare I say it?...the ACTUALLY GOOD WORK done on aspects of Shuri by TurnCoates [ his whole idea of "The Ancient Future" was DOPE, and I wrote so right here on HEF when I became aware of it...but of course, he screwed it up by misappropriating character traits of T'Challa's and exporting them to SHURI and several other characters, including his "original" characters who truly have no legit reason to exist ] and we really have something to build from.

And bruh. You are madd dead on correct with Lunella. I really think she should get pushed a LOT more than she is. I was SO GLAD to see Jason Aaron include her in his AVENGERS run. And? I'm hoping that Shuri, Riri and Lunella can form a utatu...a "trinity"...of sorts. A quintuple thing might include Squirrel Girl and Valeria Richards.

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Black Panther / Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« on: May 07, 2022, 10:00:19 pm »
I've always thought the death of T'Chaka was unsophisticated. How he died in both comic and cinema showed a lack of understanding for who he was and should have been. Hudlin delivered the most logical and arguably the best rendition. Outside of him most writers chose to focus on T'Challa feeling inadequate with regards to his father instead of being inspired.

T'Chaka's murder would have been a true defining moment in T'Challa's young life. For example T'Chaka was killed in his Black Panther habit.





It would be satisfying to see how that motivated T'Challa to make the habit more conducive to combat and protection.









There have been no technical manuals written about T'Challa's scientific and technological achievements. Shuri got the Wakanda files, The Dora Milaje got a training manual, there is even a Wakandan cook book but nothing on or about T'Challa. I wonder why over all these decades, with all his accomplishments, there continues to be a consistent stratagem to focus everywhere but on T'Challa.






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To the surprise of very few who know us from HEF, I agree with you so completely, Brother Ture, that the murder of T'Chaka is actually the most central plot and main thread in my fanfic DAMISA SARKA KUELEZA: BLACK PANTHER EXPLANATIONS

It starts with this exchange between T'Challa and Killmonger, in front of the Kifalme Mashujaa ya Heshima [ KMH ]..."Royal Heroes/Warriors/Heroic Warriors of Honor" ]:

“Then you come about your blinding arrogance honestly, TChalla…likely the only honest thing you have done. For you inherited your cowardice and arrogance from your father, as Klaw slew him for failing to grasp the threat that Klaw himself represented!”

“Wrong again, Njadaka. Klaw didn’t murder my father.”

“WHAT!” Not only Njadaka but the entire KMH shouted in thunderstruck shock.


There is no way. Zero. That Klaue or any of those fools would have been able to murder T'Chaka. I absolutely do agree that Hudlin by far. FAR. Crafted the much more reasonable, sensible story regarding the murder of T'Chaka, and it's the acceptance of his version BP that has allowed me to have the "fictional credibility" to build upon his framework of Invincible Wakanda and rework the very notion that Klaw is even remotely capable of killing T'Chaka.


To add further insult to injury...






They doin all that as if they don't know that R to the H already showed T'Challa as a early 20-something with the COUNCIL OF WAKANDA still hunting after T'Chaka's killer. That very scene right there? Where Wakanda failed for YEARS to find T'Chaka's killer? Is what convinced me that zero of the perpetrators credited with killing T'Chaka actually did so. Because none of them could truly hide themselves from T'Challa alone, much less all of Wakanda.

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Tchalla is officially out of the Avengers. Nighthawk joins the team.


Nighthawk needs more shine, but not at T'Challa's expense.

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Black Panther / Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« on: May 07, 2022, 11:01:30 am »
What I find so underwhelming in some of these novels is the  preference to minimize T'Challa the Black Panther's powers and skills and thus those of Wakanda. In addition to that there is a penchant to contextualize the narrative in either a slave allegory or the struggle for equality. If the latter is so necessary and this being fiction, we should get the Black Panther fighting racist leaders; winning arguments against human trafficking before the UN; celebrating Afrakan excellence and being an inspiration to the Afrakan world. Wakanda should be depicted liberating nations; supporting uprisings, offering land and resources and be seen by the world as the most advanced nation on earth having eliminated disease, poverty and exploitation.

Before a comment about having to stay in the context of the real world is written lets preempt that with a fictional account of historical Black Panthers involvement with Afrakan people fighting and winning against imperialism and colonialism in Algeria, Ethiopia and Namibia. How about a Black Panther being involved in Tacky's rebellion in 1760s Jamaica, the Haitian Revolution in 1789, Fedon's 1790s revolution in Grenada, the 1816 Barbados slave revolt led by Bussa, and the major 1831 slave revolt in Jamaica led by Sam Sharpe.

There were 485 recorded uprising of Afrakans revolting on board slave ships. Some ships were taken over by these Afrakans. You mean to tell me we couldn't fit in a story of a Wakandan submarine sinking these ship and taking the captured Afrakans back to their native lands? A Wakandan couldn't have been involved in Gabriel Prosser revolt in Virginia in 1800; Denmark Vesey planned uprising in Charleston, South Carolina in 1822; how about Nat Turner's Rebellion in Southampton County, Virginia, in 1831.

Couldn't we have a conversation between T'Challa and Shuri in the Techno Jungle (the former invented) where we read T'Challa telling Shuri about the Quilombos and Maroon societies and how they could possibly train American Afrakans (so called black Americans) and Shuri saying “just like the ones in that American movie Baba used to watch.” and T'Challa replies yes, just like in The Spook Who Sat by the Door.

Don't let me take it to all those UFO sightings being Wakandan air and space crafts.



This trash would never. Ever. Never ever no NEVER. Happen if Redjack was given BP, as he most assuredly should have been. He absolutely deserves to be the scribe for BP. We already know they too scurrt of R to the H to give him BP again [ even though RH started the record sales breaking runs of BP's first issue ] and CJP will almost certainly turn down the job of writing BP if he was offered BP again. So. Redjack and Narcisse.

I was would say no to Narcisse as well. From the latest marvel podcast regarding BP he was just as bad as the rest trying to Downplay T'Challas relevance and trying to say Shuri would be better for Wakanda. He is just as crooked. Only RJ for Black writers seems to be the only scribe who would champion the real T'Challa


NOOOOO!!! NOOOO!! THAT'S HORRIBLE NEWS!! NARCISSE WENT OUT LIKE THAT?!


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Black Panther / Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« on: May 07, 2022, 09:19:35 am »
I've always thought the death of T'Chaka was unsophisticated. How he died in both comic and cinema showed a lack of understanding for who he was and should have been. Hudlin delivered the most logical and arguably the best rendition. Outside of him most writers chose to focus on T'Challa feeling inadequate with regards to his father instead of being inspired.

T'Chaka's murder would have been a true defining moment in T'Challa's young life. For example T'Chaka was killed in his Black Panther habit.





It would be satisfying to see how that motivated T'Challa to make the habit more conducive to combat and protection.









There have been no technical manuals written about T'Challa's scientific and technological achievements. Shuri got the Wakanda files, The Dora Milaje got a training manual, there is even a Wakandan cook book but nothing on or about T'Challa. I wonder why over all these decades, with all his accomplishments, there continues to be a consistent stratagem to focus everywhere but on T'Challa.






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To the surprise of very few who know us from HEF, I agree with you so completely, Brother Ture, that the murder of T'Chaka is actually the most central plot and main thread in my fanfic DAMISA SARKA KUELEZA: BLACK PANTHER EXPLANATIONS

It starts with this exchange between T'Challa and Killmonger, in front of the Kifalme Mashujaa ya Heshima [ KMH ]..."Royal Heroes/Warriors/Heroic Warriors of Honor" ]:

“Then you come about your blinding arrogance honestly, TChalla…likely the only honest thing you have done. For you inherited your cowardice and arrogance from your father, as Klaw slew him for failing to grasp the threat that Klaw himself represented!”

“Wrong again, Njadaka. Klaw didn’t murder my father.”

“WHAT!” Not only Njadaka but the entire KMH shouted in thunderstruck shock.


There is no way. Zero. That Klaue or any of those fools would have been able to murder T'Chaka. I absolutely do agree that Hudlin by far. FAR. Crafted the much more reasonable, sensible story regarding the murder of T'Chaka, and it's the acceptance of his version BP that has allowed me to have the "fictional credibility" to build upon his framework of Invincible Wakanda and rework the very notion that Klaw is even remotely capable of killing T'Chaka.

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Black Panther / Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« on: May 07, 2022, 08:56:55 am »
What I find so underwhelming in some of these novels is the  preference to minimize T'Challa the Black Panther's powers and skills and thus those of Wakanda. In addition to that there is a penchant to contextualize the narrative in either a slave allegory or the struggle for equality. If the latter is so necessary and this being fiction, we should get the Black Panther fighting racist leaders; winning arguments against human trafficking before the UN; celebrating Afrakan excellence and being an inspiration to the Afrakan world. Wakanda should be depicted liberating nations; supporting uprisings, offering land and resources and be seen by the world as the most advanced nation on earth having eliminated disease, poverty and exploitation.

Before a comment about having to stay in the context of the real world is written lets preempt that with a fictional account of historical Black Panthers involvement with Afrakan people fighting and winning against imperialism and colonialism in Algeria, Ethiopia and Namibia. How about a Black Panther being involved in Tacky's rebellion in 1760s Jamaica, the Haitian Revolution in 1789, Fedon's 1790s revolution in Grenada, the 1816 Barbados slave revolt led by Bussa, and the major 1831 slave revolt in Jamaica led by Sam Sharpe.

There were 485 recorded uprising of Afrakans revolting on board slave ships. Some ships were taken over by these Afrakans. You mean to tell me we couldn't fit in a story of a Wakandan submarine sinking these ship and taking the captured Afrakans back to their native lands? A Wakandan couldn't have been involved in Gabriel Prosser revolt in Virginia in 1800; Denmark Vesey planned uprising in Charleston, South Carolina in 1822; how about Nat Turner's Rebellion in Southampton County, Virginia, in 1831.

Couldn't we have a conversation between T'Challa and Shuri in the Techno Jungle (the former invented) where we read T'Challa telling Shuri about the Quilombos and Maroon societies and how they could possibly train American Afrakans (so called black Americans) and Shuri saying “just like the ones in that American movie Baba used to watch.” and T'Challa replies yes, just like in The Spook Who Sat by the Door.

Don't let me take it to all those UFO sightings being Wakandan air and space crafts.



This trash would never. Ever. Never ever no NEVER. Happen if Redjack was given BP, as he most assuredly should have been. He absolutely deserves to be the scribe for BP. We already know they too scurrt of R to the H to give him BP again [ even though RH started the record sales breaking runs of BP's first issue ] and CJP will almost certainly turn down the job of writing BP if he was offered BP again. So. Redjack and Narcisse.

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It was a disappointment. Could of been a very good way to showcase T'Challas genius yet it felt like it was Less about T'Challa the black panther and more about team Wakanda.

Sometimes it's nice to see the title character doing main character things. I want to read about T'Challa strategizing about now to beat the FF, creating his habit, and defeating Klaw. Not worrying if Hunter likes him,  having others create his habit and Sharing panel space not just with the FF (this is fine as they are the guests) but Shuri hunter and Okoye when frankly? They are irrelevant and should of stayed in the background


That is because without a titular actual lead character as T'Challa in the BLACK PANTHER movie series and the MCU as a whole? Feige has decided to go with TEAM T'CHALLA [ MEANING MOSTLY "TEAM STRONG BLACK WOMEN WHO ARE LESS THREATENING TO WHITE MEN THAN BLACK MEN LIKE T'CHALLA ARE" ] in every possible Black Panther iteration wherein they can replace T'Challa. The ramifications of this decision making is spilling down to the 616 BP, as well.

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I’ve found that Aaron approaches T’Challa with an intelligence and deference that has been sorely lacking in the main BP title  since RH. Certainly more than Coates who’s disdain and lack of imagination rivals that which Roy Thomas displayed, IMO.

Peace,

Mont

I would have unreservedly cosigned this very sensible and largely true sentiment above...

...if not for The Red Panther missteps. I hope I'm wrong, but the dregs and ghosts of an all too familiar: "Oh no, they're about to do that brutha wrong AGAIN!" feeling I had from the 1970's til CRY THE ACCURSED COUNTRY and again nonstop until MARVEL KNIGHTS intro'd CJP BP is starting to awaken the shades of echoes within me...

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Thanks. You're welcome.

Black Panther 2 Star Says Wakanda Forever Will Blow Everyone Away

http://screenrant.com/black-panther-2-wakanda-forever-details-danny-sapani/



I really hope that it will do this, but I seriously doubt that it will do so.

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I've said this before. The sucker punch was fine because T'Challa was egging her on. But after that it should of been a one sided victory for T'Challa and Omolola shouldn't of even touched him after that. The line "Your not that good" was just so cheesy and doesn't even make sense. And like you said he has tangled with far greater than her.

Beat IF on straight combat, one shot Karnak, beat a super skrull who had all the fighting Styles of every 616 Martial artist including his own, ragdolled wolverine and straight beat him in The Phoenix tournament, systematically dismantled MK. There much more. Point is, dude had tangled with some of the Best the 616 has to offer. Why the hell does Omolola not only think she can beat him, but then actually is about to get a hit on him when he is focused on her? All so T'Challa could throw her line back at her? That is weak



I personally think that R to the H got it right: T'Challa doesn't fight women. This? Should have been an opportunity to see Ayo or someone NOT Okoye shine and handle this biz. If I wrote that encounter...

...well, I wouldn't've done so, because such behavior by T'Challa is expected by anyone in the business of espionage. Allies spy on each other as much as they spy on their enemies. The Avengers already know that T'Challa has a plan in place to take the entire team down or control them, if they become a threat to Wakanda [ R to the H had Prince Namor proclaim knowledge of T'Challa's preparedness in this regard around issue 19 or 20 of RH's run ].

However,  since we're clearly riding with Ridley and Ridley is cool with T'Challa hotboxin with women..?

I ride with everything that Brother Ezyo said above...

...except the sucker punch part.

My fellow self defense practitioners will probably know what I'm referring to when I reference the approach that Bruce Lee popularized as The 5 Ways of Attack. In this case, in JKD terminology, T'Challa was using the Concept of ABD...ATTACK BY DRAWING. He was drawing the attack that he wanted from Omolola.

But our original Montu [ ALKEBULAN miscalled African self defense and whole human development systems ] has several names for this principle over the hundreds of thousands of years of its existence. In my family's system of Njia Uhuru Kipura, the concept is called UDANGANYIFU. And even this "younger" version of the Principle is OLDER THAN CHINA IS.

What I mean by the above is...T'Challa was baiting the attack he wanted from Omolola, and would have sharply, physically reprimanded her for making the attempt to assault him the moment she tried to do so. This is why any author who writes scenes of h2h combat would be very well advised to be a self defense practitioner him/herself, or have a collaborator who is an expert in h2h and weapons combat. Because the fight scenes crafted when such knowledge is missing is glaringly and instantly inept or questionable to the eyes of experienced practitioners.

That is the one area that Jonathan Maberry unquestionably outshone everyone else in: the fight scenes he crafted for Shuri were visceral and realistic. He even showed a technique that I teach women for self defense. Untrained authors miss these incredibly important opportunities to express the nuances, subtleties and clear inviolate facets of a character in moments of combat, which are universally regarded as one of the few forms of communication during which no entity may lie about its nature. This reality can even be worked into plot points, and sleuthing.

Other than the fact that imo T'Challa doesn't fight women, and that the "sucker punch" landed [ how are you going to "sucker punch" a man who hears your muscles bunch and your breath and blood flow change prior to and just as you begin to launch whatever attack you're going to attempt ]? I concur with and cosign every one of the lucid points that our Brother Ezyo made above.

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Nakia was trained by Tchalla as well in Priest run, she was highly capable and deadly but didn't stand a chance against T'Challa. Being trained by someone doesn't make you their equal. Again we are talking about an OC character that struggled against these assassin's, yet was able to tag Tchalla when he was focused and suited up... With a injured arm.

It has nothing to do with tchallas training and everything to do with how combat training doesn't trump experience and superior skill on top of all his other advantages over her.

His training doesn't automatically mean she is now on par with him, training doesn't work that way no matter who the trainer is. It's bad writing to make a OC character we know or care little about be on par with the title character who is know as one of the greatest fighters in the mu. It should of been a lesson taught to her as he said   


On par? He broke her down in like three moves. The training should mean she's get a couple of hits. And Nakia was like sixteen. This character is fully grown and able to take long term assignments on her own. And the only real hit she got was the kick. The two swords swings were deflected.

Ya'll weren't this upset when Zanda was tossing him around in Panthers Quest. Lol



Okay. This is from my perspective of a lifelong self defense practitioner of 46 years who not only trains daily but is regularly in the real world mix. In my HRSPP [ HIGH RISK SECURITY POSTS AND PERSONNEL ] supervisory capacity, I tango with bad guys rather frequently. I arrested a bad guy just a little while ago...as he attempted what I'm sure to him was violent resistance.

Short answer: T'Challa should not have been touched by Zanda or Omolola. It's not that Zanda and Omolola aren't very, very good at what they do. They ARE very, very good at what they do.

The problem is?  T'Challa IS VERY GREAT EVEN FOR A GOAT LEVEL H2H WARRIOR. T'CHALLA IS EARTH'S HUMAN WARRIOR SUPREME. BUT EVEN IF HE WASN'T THE BEST EARTH HAS TO OFFER IN H2H? HE'S DEFINITELY SUPERIOR TO ANYONE IN WAKANDA, AND HE'S PROVEN HIMSELF AGAINST THE GREATEST WARRIOR WAKANDANS EVER TO LIVE OR DIE. 

You cannot go from hotboxing with the actual God of Vengeance [ Khonshu incarnate ]. Lowering the boom on The White Tiger God of Cosmic Fear. Threatening the Phoenix Force Itself. And beating everyone in The Phoenix Tournament except for Cap...to Omolola feeling confident enough in her abilities to say EVEN TO HERSELF that she could defeat T'Challa, much less tell T'Challa to his cowl that when it comes to beating her? "...you're not that good"

That is absolutely disrespectful and a showing of poor understanding of T'Challa's character. I understand, laud and applaud any sensible narrative asserting and ensuring that we must present our women as formidable people who will not kowtow to anyone. Including T'Challa. When their principles are on the line. That? Is a good job, Ridley.


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Aside from about six more small panels and team shots, this is about it for the Red Panther. Again the letdown is something new that the Black Panther has doesn't get the opportunity to live up to its potential.



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Why is he defecating on BP...or Red Panther aka RP...right after I gave him props for doing BP right? Makes a brutha want to keep his mouth shut, lol

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Black Panther / Re: Storm
« on: March 26, 2022, 08:37:19 pm »
I liked Shipp as Storm, more than Halle. Shipp gave a go at an African accent. Eventually Halle got more screen time than Shipp, but overall, I liked Shipp more. Back then, I would've preferred Angela Bassett, but seeing what little they gave the character to do, I was fine with Halle getting the role (I think Angela is a better actress and such a background role would've been a waste of her in her prime, but even with that, I do feel that Halle was too underused). I also thought Shipp's Storm movie idea wasn't bad either. I wouldn't mind seeing that get adapted into comic or novel form, because I don't see a Storm solo movie happening anytime soon. Perhaps a storyline like that could factor into all the multiverse shenanigans in the MCU.

I have to wonder if Shipp's evolution on whether a darker skinned actress should play Storm is in part her having her eye on the chance, she will be invited back to participate in a MCU movie or Disney Plus series as her version of Storm. Her change of thought on the idea could be legit, and it has been some years since the Twitter spat, so she's had time to think and do other things, and perhaps look at it from a different perspective. That said, she has to know that holding on to her own stance was a losing proposition and she's moved to a safer harbor. I recall how she wanted to play Storm in a future Black Panther movie, but perhaps after seeing that wasn't going to happen, or getting with the feminist zeitgeist at the time, pooh poohed the idea later, and that kind of opportunistic change of heart could be happening again here.

All that said, I do think she had every right to be in her feelings about people going after while keeping the Storm role still could've happened. I am also not a fan of some of this colorism conversation or how it often goes, because I feel it tends to be another way to divide the community and also allow some people to seek attention. I never had a problem with Halle or Shipp playing Storm from a casting perspective. Granted, the character is darker in the comics, but I didn't find her noticeably so. When Halle got the role, it was just good enough that they cast a black actress period, so I think the colorism crowd should remember that.

I do find it funny that when Shipp proclaims she won't go after another black actress in the article she inadvertently, subconsciously, or perhaps it was conscious, alludes to Zoe Saldana's controversial take on Nina Simone.


You hit on a lot of topics that I agree with you about, Brother Emperorjones! I have a few thoughts on a few other topics you brought up, but I want you to know that I madd appreciate all that you have shared above. You make some penetrating and much needed observations, brutha!

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