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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: Today at 11:56:47 am »
I think what bothers me the most is that I don't see how any of this sh*t benefits T'challa.

I've been on record many times saying Wakanda and Wakandans are essentially red shirts to improve T'challa's stories. I'll sacrifice 10K of them to see T'challa beat on Black Dwarf. ect.

But I can't see a scenario where this enhances or elevates T'challa at all. At best, it is simply a historical anecdote that makes Wakanda look bad and gives unfans more ammunition. I mean, there are only so many outcomes for this...

1. It is an ignored historical antidote. We get some more panels of T'challa looking sad and cries to storm becasue his ancestors were dicks. That is sure to boost sales and bring in some fanks. it is never mentioned again.

2. He tries to broker a truce with the Originators and let them return to parts of Wakanda. which... ok? is that a feat? does anyone give a sh*t? And i mean sh*t... these people did just pop back up and murder willy nilly. Why would Wakandans want these dudes are neighbors? Why should they gve up their homes for somethign there ancestors did 10's of thousands of years ago?

I mean sh*t.. if some Native Americans organized and slaughtered a bunch of civilians on "there land" tomorrow and trump went, "oh sh*t, i actuall read a history book and what we did was terrible! Ok, I need Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana residents and move out and we are giving the Natives that land as their own country." ... who here is gonna pack up? Who here is going to welcome all those poeple as neighbors that just got displaced?

3. move out of Wakanda to the galactic empire. That is laughably stupid all around. Same as above but worse. And then... then what? Movie is about to drop and you get rid of earth Wakanda? Gonna move the vibranium mound there too? You know how many cosmic properties sell? 1 (thor) or maaaaaaaaybe 2 (GoG). That is it. T'challa is not a cosmic character. This ia stupid and ludicrous idea.

4. give the origniators moon Wakanda. i dont' see how this elevates t'challa at all. "we took your land, he is some other land in space somewhere. good luck defendign yourself from the Brood or Shiar. bye"

So honestly, maybe this 5th option is best

5. T'challa travels to the Nether-Realm, tells the originators he is sorry what happend 20K years ago but they cannot come into Wakanda again. And then reconnects with Bast and Co and slaughters them all when they protest. The "heavy is the crown" option. Make T'chaka proud, f*ck the twitter consequences and get some feats out of it.

TNC was involved

I thought marvel wanted to talk to evan and asked coates tobreach out but i could be misremembering

Basically, whatever the Duat he wants.  It's clear to me that his editors have basically given him carte blanche on the book, because it isn't part of the corporate narrative.  He's basically stuck in his own little corner of the Marvel U., throwing toys and making a mess.

I would hope that the movie would inspire a more appropriate depiction in the comics, but then I remembered what they did with Strange, and get all sad again. :(

"Let's build up Strange in an Avengers book in preparation for his MCU debut"

"Let's give Strange his first solo in decades to coincide with his MCU debut!"

"Ok, now take away all his magic, take away the Eye and Cloak, and have him fight stuff with an Axe"


i didn't hate the new series but in regards to marketing, it was just plane dumb

Other Comics / Re: Doomsday Clock
« on: Yesterday at 10:18:00 am »
Isnt jor el involved in this or simething too?

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: Yesterday at 09:06:00 am »
Also interesting was his wording about tge gods

"Then heroes rose among the. And on faith, heroes ascended to gods"

This is all going to relate to klaw and storm somehow

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: Yesterday at 08:51:04 am »

he even put them in chains.

he even sent them off to a reservation errrr I mean netherrealms

maybe next he will convert some of them to the proper religion

Nah go all the way. Wakanda is an Originator word. lol. I live in VA and so many things have native names.

Do a couple of the Originators look like the alien in the Wakanda Empire splash page?

Maybe wakanda has a baseball team called the Birnin Azzari Originators

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: Yesterday at 08:20:10 am »

he even put them in chains.

he even sent them off to a reservation errrr I mean netherrealms

maybe next he will convert some of them to the proper religion

Priest showed it wasnt perfect more than once.

Hudlin highlighted there xenophobic arrogance

Even liss had some political corruption

Hickman had tge kings leaving people to die to protect wakanda.

Theyve never been perfect. But theyve always left people alone. They are not conquers or imperialistic. They mske wakanda as perfect as they can, protect there borders fiercely, and tell everyone else to f*ck off. (Until tchalla but thsts what makes him different)

Who enjoys it?

Mostly black literary types (which just happens to be critics and some his friends)

New fans who dont know anything about the mythos so to them, everything coates is doing is groundbreaking. You can see these people because they say stuff like "Coates is making wakanda and BP not perfect!" These people when challenged, say sh*t like "oh i read priest so long ago i cant remember"... aka they havent. These people are also not black.

Then there are few that probably arent really invested innthe mythos and actually like it. Whuch is fine

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: November 22, 2017, 07:37:49 pm »
Or tony stark, cho, riri, parker, moon girl

You know... any "not a super villain" genious lol.

This woulda been perfect time to bring in those hickman kids if you kept it in house

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: November 22, 2017, 04:02:44 pm »
You coukd have easiky changed this story to

- wakandans and originators living peacefully

- vibranium hit in the human side

- originators became jealous of the wakandans

- originators attacked

- humans put up strong fight but were overmatched by tge combined might of the 3? Originator tribes

- there warrior spirit caught tghe attention of Bast
and she saw them worthy of her attention

- she sided with them, and powered up the most fearsome and noble champion to aide her

- it was bashenga

- bast and her friends banish the originators,  leaves bashenga to protect the wakandans from any outside threat


Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: November 22, 2017, 03:52:14 pm »
Coates is Dead to me officially. He just made WK "safe".

He just turned Wakandans into Columbusinians(I made this word up)

Maybe this will end with reparations for the originators!

40 acres and a mule!

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: November 22, 2017, 03:48:42 pm »
Some of the plot became clearer

- Klaw is simply mimicking the monster people with his constructs. He isn't the cause.

- Thunderball is being used as a physicist. T'challa says he can do it himelf but any good king "delegates" and he has other more pressing matters

- Shuri and T'challa head into the Djalia. Neither of them trust Thunderball but from the dialogue, T'challa sounds like he is expecting him to turn on them but it will be beneficial for Wakanda when he does

- T'challa meets Mother, mother calls him a scientist and a hero. T'chalal refuses to be called a king here as he is the one seeking knowledge (hes being respectful)

- The monsters are the originators. Before Wakanda was wakanda, the people lived next to this originators. However, humans are basically greedy cunts and it resulted in war

- humans were losing until the Orishas came and protected them, with the strongest of them being Bast. The routed the Orignators and banished them and then protected the gate so they couldn't come back

- but the orisha are gone for whatever reason (they mention they could simply be bored as they are Gods) so the gates are open.

- T'challa states he knows wakanda hx and this wan't in there, mother mentions something something along the lines of the victor makes the history

- monther basically says it is up to T'challa to close and protect the gate

it was a kinda of interesting "world building" issue. This should have been like issue #3 of this arc though. Should have been intro, talk to panthers, then talk to djalia. what can you do

Is this originators story pre Bashenga?

Coates is obsessed with the King thing. This is how you know Marvel stepped in. lol
That was the first thought that came to my mind reading MoS's summary lol

Like, jesus bast this ta-nehisi guy is a sore loser

Chang has made like a 1 page appearance

Hopefully editorial steps in and ends the storm sh*t next

Black Panther / Re: Black Panther #167 Spoilers
« on: November 22, 2017, 03:32:02 pm »
Rape camps
Suicide bombers
DM must serve the king in all ways
Forbidden lesbian love
Monarchy is horrible... when main character is king
Stuck on his ex wife
Invites super villains inti wakanda
First wakandans were white settlers essentially

Ur black panther writer everyone!

Black Panther / Re: Rise of the Black Panther #2 (solicit)
« on: November 22, 2017, 12:25:59 pm »
There was another one eith namor and the hulk in the defenders 84-86

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