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The TV spot was better than the two trailers

Yibambe indeed

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Black Panther / Re: Should T'Challa learn more magic/mystic arts?
« on: April 08, 2018, 04:34:07 pm »
I prefer superhuman T'Challa.

Batman d-riders are going to batman d-ride regardless.  That frankly sounds like a personal problem that should be mocked for entertainment and not dignified with seriousness. 

Mainstream T'Challa is superhuman and his suit is Iron Man-lite from the immense damage it can soak.  And obviously Evans Rise book is just a preview of the type of tech BP will be displaying in the sequels. All that granddaddy's BP/ karate black man in tights stuff from yesteryears is a thing of the past, and good riddance tbh.

See, I'm not old school, nor new school; i'm my own school of thought with the idea that
1) all that old stuff with the mytho really wasn't all that great to begin with, some stories were but a lot of that ish from McGregor's run to that Dr. Doom two-parter was down right cringeworthy if not trash. 
2) A lot of the new ish today aint that great either, minus a select few appearances in other books, and the Rise book. Basically it comes down to the inbetween era of old and new [Priest/Hudlin] and some selective short stories scattered throughout.
3) The MCU/mainstream verison of BP is superior to all the above, and its going to be reset/re-imagined 10-15 years from now anyway [as the cycle always is with movies]
And so 4) in this current mainstream cycle, there's no need to hold back because we're already going in that direction anyway. i.e. Superhuman James Bond, Shuri as Q, new tech in every movie, vibranium can do anything, etc.

And so to answer BlindWedjat's title question... uh yea, of course lol. Or more so, in the same way Tony Stark leveled up/evolved his suit in each of his movies, by Black Panther 3 I want to see all of those ideas you brought up realized.  i also want to see all of Hickman ish [energy guantlets, camouflage, short range teleportation, energy shields], all of Priest and Evans ish... and in Avengers 5 or 6 they better give him that KotD moment with zombie control, and the damn tiger god pokeball, and anything else i may be forgetting. lol.  Everything.  ;)

And if in 6-8 years when BP 3 comes out, and Batman fans want to cry about how BP's "too OP" now... well 1) we'll laugh at them because who cares what they think 2) pot calling the kettle black 3) point to the scoreboard and yell box office!

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Black Panther / Re: Racism in Black Panther fandom
« on: April 02, 2018, 07:05:51 am »
I was about to say, if the current mods are decommissioned or non-existent then fine... but we'll have to elect additional mods in that case.

But it seems like the powers that be already had that ball moving.  Ezyo, use that e-infinity gauntlet you now have and snap ya finger at these fools

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 171
« on: March 28, 2018, 03:21:15 pm »
I actually think it's pretty cool that I can largely be away from the run for the better part of a year and be as clueless on why things are happening as those of you who have been keeping up with the story the whole time.

Makes me feel like I haven't skipped a beat

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Black Panther / Re: Racism in Black Panther fandom
« on: March 28, 2018, 12:17:53 pm »
Okay, just catching up to this controversy. I didn't read every post on every thread, but I say a statement that I strongly disagree with.

I hate when people say that black people can't be racist. 

Humans can be anything. 

And the idea that black people are a) powerless and b) therefore can't be racist is really silly to me. 

Every human being has power.  You don't need money, or other people to make change.  Think of the man in China who stood in front of the tanks.  Think of MLK and a million other people, famous or not, who changed the world. 

Second, why would you seek to embrace powerlessness as a "get out of jail free" card in regards to behavior?

Exactly!  All of this, especially the bold.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 171
« on: March 28, 2018, 09:56:00 am »
Well TíChalla kicked ass from start to finish, used his brains to finish off Klaw, and the Midnight Angels actually respect him now. Too bad the next issue is gonna be entirely dedicated to the mutant.

Just like that the Dora Milaje love him again, Okoye is back, and everyone all doing the arm cross thing

Coincidental timing.  Reminds me of a movie i've watched a number of times recently

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Black Panther / Re: Racism in Black Panther fandom
« on: March 28, 2018, 08:57:52 am »
Were the post reported to the moderator and is there a way to block seeing the offenders post in the future?

It should have been. I typically abhor moderation, but moving forward I see there may need to be a more proactive approach in utilizing the moderators, because this faux pro-blackness bullsh*t I've seen used as an excuse to throw around hate-speech at posters and "lecture" everyone on why it's "ok" to do so, is embarrassing.

This subforum served as a cool safe haven [esp for black folks, but not limited to us] to nerd out on BP while discussing certain sociopolitical issues in the comic industry, but to have arguably our biggest contributor and biggest curator of BP knowledge in MoS bounce from the increased toxicity that came after he essentially stood up for a white poster being bullied for being white... jesus f*cking christ.

I don't know [or care] who all these old or new nyggas are popping up but what i do know is that for the better part of a year there's been relative peace and harmony here despite the dysfunction in the books [and in CBR]... but now that the record breaking movie we've all been waiting for drops, this stuff happens?  ???  Yea, whether it be bluezulu or just Mr. Hudlin himself, this is a thread topic I'd be curious to get their thoughts on.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 19, 2018, 09:00:56 am »
And Black Panther is a movie first and foremost about a black male... that Ryan Coogler and Robert Cole expertly took and shared pieces of the character's pie to empower 3 female characters. 

They easily could've just made BP the everything but they showed benevolence, esp when it came to making Shuri the scientist genius [which was T'Challa's role], making Okoye the general/mid-manager of the Doras [whom T'Challa could've just directly order around himself] and making Nakia his moral center [which T'Challa by default is mr. nobility anyway]...

...but instead they shared the wealth.

I now see why fans of say.... Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Wolverine, Spider-Man, ect are so damn hostile everytime a legacy situations happen.

They don't want to share the pie in fear the pie will be stolen. They ain't being diplomatic about it. They are downright hostile about it.

I used to think they were being ridiculous because those OG's always come back.

Now I am starting to empathize a little bit lol.



I have always had... disagreements (mostly mild ones) with some Black Panther fans here and at CBR because I always stated I was a Black Panther fanboy... I am not a Wakanda fanboy. I would sacrifice every single bit of the mythos to prop T'challa up. In my mind, the most important thing in the mythos are...


1. T'challa
2. T'challa
3. T'challa
4. Vibranium
5. Wakanda
6. Shuri

Too many Black Panther fans are "Wakanda" fans and are too quick to share T'challa's pie. Black PAnther mytho are a monarchy damnit and T'challa is on the throne. Y'all gotta be selfish. More Kobe. Less Ben simmons

I remember those conversations lol.  Hell, take your priority list and cross out Shuri, and you essentially have my list. [never cared for her comic iteration... still don't... but her movie version is the most adorable thing ever, so yea]

We've been talking about it for years tho: be wariy "fans" who don't give a sh*t about T'Challa but want to hop on his back and use his spotlight to push their own agenda.

I had to always preface it by saying "i love/understand/empathize with our black women, but..." so to make sure i didn't come across as a Wakandan male in a TNC book...

...but i'll be damned if everything we projected years ago in those cbr days hasn't come to fruition. 

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 10:14:49 pm »
And Black Panther is a movie first and foremost about a black male... that Ryan Coogler and Robert Cole expertly took and shared pieces of the character's pie to empower 3 female characters. 

They easily could've just made BP the everything but they showed benevolence, esp when it came to making Shuri the scientist genius [which was T'Challa's role], making Okoye the general/mid-manager of the Doras [whom T'Challa could've just directly order around himself] and making Nakia his moral center [which T'Challa by default is mr. nobility anyway]...

...but instead they shared the wealth. 

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 10:03:08 pm »
Part of it is self hate [asking for more white inclusion], however the other part is just pure selfish crabs in a barrel mentality where people after [generously] being given a piece of the pie [in the form of an ensemble cast type movie] turn right around and try to overthrow the whole damn bakery! 

i.e. so focused on having a black female lead that they'd tear up the entire mytho just to find a round-about way to have the black male character replaced.

Completely oblivious [or indifferent] to the dysfunction this causes because they are so focused on their own self-serving agenda.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 07:42:56 pm »
What I was expecting post movie was me being like, "GET OFF MY LAWN I WAS HERE FIRST" hipster thing about the random new people.

Instead I am disgusted by my own people lol.


LMAO. Summarizes my thoughts to a T.  These negroes hopeless :facepalm:

Pre black panther movie:
Dumb Blacks: We want harmony between men and women, not dysfunction, no stereotypes, no white saviors, powerful depictions of Black people and Africa, and Black love and happiness

Post Black panther movie: You know what would be cool is if Shuri and T'Challa were feuding and Shuri takes the BP mantle after Tchalla gets punked and Wakanda gets pwned, and maybe throw in the Ma rising up and becoming their own without the shadow of the throne, and how about Storm making an appearance, just have Nakia become malice. Oh and can Ross get some more shine? Martin Freeman didn't get to do much...

Smmfh


LMAO!  I'd make this my signature if not for the word limit!

sh*t, from now on i'm going to copy/paste it in the comments section of any article or youtube with these dummy new "fans" running their mouth.

FLAWLESS summary!

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With that said, an 81% drop doesn't really mean anything to me until I know how much Thor: R, GotG2, and Spider-man Homecoming dropped.

And until i know what type of reviews those movies got.

Spider-Man HC: 85%

Strange: 48%


thats all i can find quickly

See, something like this is very telling.  Without context a narrative spinner can be like "WOW black panther plummets a MASSIVE 81% with [selectively chosen] RACIST reviews about the movie"!

Whereas in actually Black Panther had a smaller 2nd week drop than the movie with crown jewels of Marvel Spider-Man and Iron Man teamup flick.

So clearly Dr. Strange >>>>>> Black Panther >> Spider-man/Ironman

When it comes to box office staying power in China :P

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Yeah they can piss off for all I care, take Their great walls and all their White wash trash with them.. except for the ones in this interview who kept it real, they can get special private screenings of respectful showings. All the while the rest can get BPs massive BO earnings showed down Their thoats with sequels of said greatness to follow suit

https://youtu.be/hWxKNKopR9U

I always go by the numbers, as talk can sometimes/often be cheap.  So when the smear campaign report came about racist chinese a week ago, i called bullsh*t because of that same youtube video.  Basically anyone can pick a handful of racists and make a negative story, just like i could make a positive story just by using that video alone.

But if the numbers dropped by that much and the reviews are mixed to poor, then f*ck them tbh.  And that one kid in the youtube said something veeeerrrry telling.  He said most chinese people are racist and call black people the n-word but that he doesn't because his friends at his university are black and he wouldn't disrespect his friends like that.

I watched that vid last weekend and when i heard him say that, the sincerity of it and how he blurted that out [too much information lol] really put things in perspective.  Now "technically" speaking is he probably generalizing?  Sure but if a white kid said the same thing about white folks, we'd know he was generalizing too but we'd also "get it", so to speak.


Mortal Man, my brutha? Everything you specified above is precisely what I thought when I saw the same information and reacted the same way. I saw it within an hour of the above video dropping. As you might guess, because of my family's Njia Uhuru Kipura fighting system heralding on video the techniques we saw in BP nearly a full decade before they were shown,  and my presence on YouTube and Facebook generating million+ of views per month, the numerous people with whom I not so shyly or reservedly disagreed with about many things...including BP...made it a point to come at me with the shenanigans about racist Chinese reactions.

 I especially loved the Tweets and IMs about how a White person could never get away with saying and/or doing the things that the Chinese people said and did. I pointed out in stark fashion that the Chinese learned such claptrap from White people...who are STILL RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE THIS DOING EXACTLY THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T DO.

I also got the rah rah about how R to the H was the worst BP writer of all time and "...thank God he had nothing to do with the movie...". Did any of you get any flakk like that during the buildup to the movie?

I pointed at that extra garbage story about T'Challa getting beaten up by White kids...KIDS...and asked if the [ White ] writer was a better writer than R to the H, in the opinion of these naysayers I was fencing with. Recriminations and deflections they gave me...but no answers. I skewered them for that. Then I gave them a dozen other examples, to rub Wakanda tech bombs in their open wounds.

When asked to show ONE GOOD THING that RH did, I restrained myself from singing an aria about his jaw dropping accomplishments. I merely pointed at Shuri, the entire army of Dora Milaje, the Wakandan space program, the Black Avengers idea, the first ever Big Two adventure featuring Black heroes without any support from White heroes [ FOUR THE HARD WAY ], the first ever undebatable W of T'Challa over Wolverine [ WILD KINGDOM ], T'Challa's possession of The Ebony Blade, the first clear cut victory by a BP [ T'Chaka ] over Captain America, and the first clear cut victory by T'Challa over [ a injured but still very formidable ] Steve Rogers Captain America in Civil War. Mark Millar being influenced by Hudlin and pointedly having T'Challa tell the still forming ILLUMINATI not to tread upon the path they contemplate, for it would surely lead to ruin...and being right. I pointed at Zombie Universe Wakanda staving off the Zombies [ Hudlin didn't write that!! Screecheth the haters. T'Challa wouldn't've even been included in such a company wide event in the first place, much less recorded said feat in the second place, had Hudlin's contract not specified such, quoth I. Curses, foiled again!! Snarled the haters ]. I pointed at the upgrade of Klaw, the presence of Fred Sandford and Grady [ White folks were like: "Whuh? Who are Sandford and Grady?" ], T'Challa being included in a respectful and mythos forward propelling way in Marvel's Events, other big name writers like ELLIS [ who's apparently a on again off again closet White supremacist ] writing respectfully about T'Challa and including T'Challa in their stories and thus introducing T'Challa to a ton of Marvel readers who never heard of BP as well as integrating BP across company wide stories so BP isn't segregated into a self contained world revolving around Wakanda and just ignored by everyone else. As if T'Challa's was utterly devoid of significance or impact whatsoever outside of the pages of his own book ,which was most definitely the case...even during Priest's legendarily magnificent run. The first proof that T'Challa's genius as a scientist was deeply respected and not to be underestimated, by even the heretofore keenest minds of the MU. The absolute best origin story and rework of Power Man of all time. The best treatment of Brother Voodoo outside of Rick Remender upgrading him to Doctor Voodoo. The bestest Falcon outside of Priest's pen. The bestest Monica, period. Etc etc.

By the time I finished? Crickets. Haters were silenced.

And oh yeah...BP then crushed the domestic USA market for another record and is within sight of being the all time greatest USA hero movie no matter what when it overtakes Avengers prior to next weekend.

You see, they were trying to indirectly manipulate me into mentioning Ororo so they could go off on how they hate the Storm-BP marriage and derail the convo, but I wasn't having any.



The haters get so desperate, all of their negative narratives about black excellence and black profitability [domestic and overseas] has blown up in their faces.. so they essentially try to scrap for moral victories.

Must of the dissension i've witnessed revolved more so around TNC, between the old fans and the "new" fans, than Hudlin.  Post-movie, nobody really talks about TNC tho.  Mostly it's just dealing with some of these nonsensical ideas ppl have had for the sequel.  As a result i pretty much ignore the comic community and just do my best with on-boarding the new bp fans

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With that said, an 81% drop doesn't really mean anything to me until I know how much Thor: R, GotG2, and Spider-man Homecoming dropped.

And until i know what type of reviews those movies got.

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Yeah they can piss off for all I care, take Their great walls and all their White wash trash with them.. except for the ones in this interview who kept it real, they can get special private screenings of respectful showings. All the while the rest can get BPs massive BO earnings showed down Their thoats with sequels of said greatness to follow suit

https://youtu.be/hWxKNKopR9U

I always go by the numbers, as talk can sometimes/often be cheap.  So when the smear campaign report came about racist chinese a week ago, i called bullsh*t because of that same youtube video.  Basically anyone can pick a handful of racists and make a negative story, just like i could make a positive story just by using that video alone.

But if the numbers dropped by that much and the reviews are mixed to poor, then f*ck them tbh.  And that one kid in the youtube said something veeeerrrry telling.  He said most chinese people are racist and call black people the n-word but that he doesn't because his friends at his university are black and he wouldn't disrespect his friends like that.

I watched that vid last weekend and when i heard him say that, the sincerity of it and how he blurted that out [too much information lol] really put things in perspective.  Now "technically" speaking is he probably generalizing?  Sure but if a white kid said the same thing about white folks, we'd know he was generalizing too but we'd also "get it", so to speak.

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