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General Discussion / Re: White Slight: Black Ladies...Can you relate?
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:34:59 pm »
Yeah if we both know that the gun is empty there's no threat... sadly in the real world we don't know when the guns are empty...

I think you're missing the metaphor here. Oh, well..

You talk about the resentment of black women been expressed in that strip what would you think of the resentment of white men... There's surely a lot of white men whom resent the fact of successful black men getting "their" women. Would you like to see a strip depicting black men as filthy sub-human rapist? Would you call that realism or racism?

You're really stretching with the comparison. But being an artist, I'll bite. Give me a visual example of a "filthy subhuman rapist" and maybe I can better answer your question.
Just having friendly conversations with a few white females in college drew cold looks from white males, having some base a cartoon on it and their feelings...yeah, REALISM. Having them say all niggers want our women...RACIST.

Let's take another look at the last panel of that strip again.
An attractive black man stepping to a visually unattractive white woman (IMHO, your mileage may vary) is in no way RACIST.

Now, a well known actor yelling NIGGER in a crowded room AT the ONLY black people insight, I would say that's RACIST. :-\

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General Discussion / Re: White Slight: Black Ladies...Can you relate?
« on: April 12, 2007, 12:41:37 pm »
What does "racist" really means? Could you explain it to me? Thanks... ::)

The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others.
Discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race.

The way I see it Racism without power is still racism... The fact that one person doesn't have the power to surprise the human rights of other person or group of people doesn't mean his racism is less insidious or harmful...That comic strip won't prevent white people from getting ahead in life but it won't help race relations either...

You can point a gun at me, but if we BOTH know it's empty, you pose no threat to me, do you?

I think you've totally missed the point of the strip. All Cory's doing is commenting on something I think MANY blacks either noticed or wondered about. Unfortunately even the best strip is prone to rub someone the wrong way.

Here's something that may surprise you: Many black women resent interracial couples. Especially successful, upwardly-mobile black women who, statistically, outnumber successful, upwardly-mobile black men. :o
There are more black men in prison than in college. Many black men don't even graduate high school. Add to that the disproportional death rates. Successful black men are in short supply.

Many college-educated black women are seeking such men to marry. And yes. A large percentage of those men are instead marrying Caucasian women. It would be blind denial to suggest otherwise. :'(

There is a certain amount of resentment among black women and the strip accurately depicted that. That's not racism, it's realism!

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General Discussion / White Slight: Black Ladies...Can you relate?
« on: April 12, 2007, 09:26:07 am »


Seems this particular strip is the reason Watch Your Head is being dropped in Detroit.
"attempts at humor based on stereotyping have drawn significant negative reader reaction."
That was the reason given.

And then there was this from a reader in Wisconsin:

Dear Wisconsin State Journal,

I am calling for an apology by Cory Thomas for his
blatantly racist and sexist cartoon published in the
Wisconsin State journal, and for the WSJ to stop carrying
his cartoon.

I find it abhorrent that the WSJ, in 2007, would carry a
cartoon that blatantly insults interracial couples. Not
only did this cartoon imply that white women are to stay
away from African Americans as life partners, caucasians
were hurtfully depicted by Cory Thomas as saggy-breasted,
whorishly dressed, and moronic in appearance.  Are we also
to believe that African American women resent interracial
couples, as if they as women require an African American
man to be a complete person?

In the time of Jim Crow laws, this issue was addressed by
offensive cartoons depicting African American men as
apelike, predatory beasts with their target being virtuous
white girls.  Those were just as offensive as Sunday's
cartoon.

This cartoon was blatantly racist and reeked of the hateful
drawings that mocked African Americans in the 1950's. By
publishing this cartoon, the WSJ promotes hate and
resentment between races. This kind of garbage has no place
in today's entertainment media.  How did you at the WSJ
explain this cartoon to your children?

Peace and Equality now,
Catherine Smith


Most works done by a person of color is usually going to have a viewpoint/insight that people outside that group are unfamiliar with, many, if the view is unflattering in their eyes, like to cry racism. How many times has Hudlin been called a racist on the Newsarama forums? Is this strip holding whites back and keeping them from advancing as a people? Perhaps it’s time to remind them what “racist” really means.

Or, is the lesson here: Shut Up and Don't Slight White(folk)?

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Panther Politics / Re: My Take On BP and Storm
« on: January 24, 2007, 12:33:59 pm »
welcome to the family, Kristopher.

and thanx for the real talk cuz that's how we HEFfa's role...real talk!

Thanks, Mastrmynd.

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Panther Politics / Re: My Take On BP and Storm
« on: January 24, 2007, 12:33:02 pm »
Before now, you could NEVER have known that Storm was black. You never saw her reading a Terry McMillan novel, or listening to Marvin Gaye, or cornrowing her hair - NOTHING! It's different now, and I love it.

Exactly!
Those previous writers should be ashamed at the sloppiness they've shown in their craft. IF you're writing about a group of people you have only marginal contact with, then do some research.
The research is what makes the writing on shows like "The Wire" believable.
The black characters that come out of many white comic writer's minds are products of intellectual laziness. I guess that's why I got to create my own characters. And make no mistake, they are BLACK. 8)

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Panther Politics / Re: My Take On BP and Storm
« on: January 24, 2007, 12:09:23 pm »
Amazula? Love the name,dawg...I remember when I was taught what AmaZulu meant when I was a child.What's the deal,dawg? You distributing solo or what?

Yeah, solo effort.
The online story is a quick intro to the character to generate some interest.
I'm about to get started on the full length story for print.
I'll try to get as many black bookstores and Black college bookstores as I can to carry it.
And as you probably already figured out, I used "Amazon' and "Zulu" to come up with the character's name. And yeah, she kicks Wonder Womans A$$...easily  ;D

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Panther Politics / Re: My Take On BP and Storm
« on: January 24, 2007, 10:29:36 am »
Who IS this masked Kristopher,who dares spew unvarnished truths and perceptive commentary with a very Jenn-like two fisted unapologetic proud-to-be-Black (which doesn't mean anti-Whte or anti-anything ELSE) perspective?

Welcome home,Kristopher,there's always a place for you here at HEF.Cause that's how we HEFfers carry it.


Thanks, Supreme.

I've sat back and watched things in the comics industry for years, hoping for MAJOR changes, at least catch up to the 1960's. Seems like we're regressing. Hudlin's holding it down, but we can't lay it all on him and we shouldn't thank massa everytime he throws us a bone. If we do, he'll keep marrying of our characters to white people >:(

I got more, just click on the image, if you're interested:
http://amazula.com/

Thanks again for the welcome.

Peace!

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Panther Politics / Re: My Take On BP and Storm
« on: January 24, 2007, 10:19:35 am »

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Panther Politics / My Take On BP and Storm
« on: January 24, 2007, 06:41:00 am »
I posted this "rant" of mine the other day on another forum and explained to the members that I'm pissed off about alot of things. Looking at all the hate being thrown around regarding two very great characters, I had to get this off my chest:


What some people are able to see for the first time in comics is not some klutzy Black characters, not some Uncle Tom, not some person bowing to the system. They see a black manand woman who are articulate, energetic, well prepared, and….(God forbid) defiant.

One of the ironies that isn't lost on many African American readers in particular, is that Storm was a guest in the white community. She was welcome in the gated community. She was loved for being a great mutant character surrounded by “whiteness”, and it was clear that the moment she hooked up with T’Challa, her  privilege of whiteness, her privilege of being accepted in the white community, is slowly being revoked, and the longer she’s with a another (n#%%er) Black character, she may never be accepted in that community again.

To them, Storm was raceless. She was not a person who spent time with other African Americans. She was not a person who was deeply committed to African American values. In fact, she talked more about being a Mutant than an African American. And yet the African American community has accepted her.

And so his privilege of membership in the gated communities of white America is on it’s way ofbeing revoked permanently, and she now is on her way to being persona non grata. That will never change. She's lost that view of being raceless. Before she was the princess, and now she's just another niggercomicbook character.

Welcome home Sister Ororo, there's always a place for you here. 'Cuz that's how we Black folk carry it.

Sorry to offend anyone.

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Black Panther / Re: The Future of Black Panther and Storm?
« on: December 22, 2006, 09:12:55 am »
Still do not agree with this assessment of Claremont....read "Arena" and while it did not read as a "great story" it was not a lesbian fantasy or anti-Storm.  Wonder if any of the naysayers here support independent Black comics and put their money where their mouth is since they don't like the first major Black super hero in comics recreated by Claremont.  If you don't like it then don't buy it...if Claremont hadn't written it you would never have known Storm.  In any medium an artist hits a zenith and will come down....Claremont at least had the balls to write diverse characters and take risks.


Amen!!!

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Black Panther / Re: The Future of Black Panther and Storm?
« on: December 20, 2006, 04:33:09 am »
Kristopher, please follow me to this candlelit room with the soundproof padded walls. Yes, right this way. Watch your step, now. This? Oh, I always greet new HEFfas buck-ass nekkid with a bottle of baby oil in my hand.

 :D :D :D :D

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Black Panther / Re: The Future of Black Panther and Storm?
« on: December 19, 2006, 01:21:33 pm »
Many(white)readers seem more comfortable with black characters who act as if race does not matter (pre Hudlin Panther & Storm), and (black) writers who not "rub their noses" in so-called “racial guilt”. Many white readers just go crazy over stuff like that.

In American reality, colorblindness is not colorblindness; it's the world the way many whites see it, the way they want to see it, and they don't want to talk about race. They don't want race to be relevant, so they're going to act as though it isn't relevant, and when you keep telling them it is relevant, they're going to call you the racists. They're going to say you're playing the race card. They're going to call you the monster for making them confront the monstrosity that is racism in American society.

America is post-apartheid society, and I don't mean that as a time. It's not a temporal statement; it's a substantive description of who we are.

We are a society that has been structured from top to bottom by race. You don't get beyond that by deciding not to talk about it anymore. It will always come back; it will always reassert itself over and over again. Thank God Hudlin has the BALLS to bring up things that have been overlooked in comics.

With that, if Hudlin's writing is not someone's cup of tea, they should just move on.

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Black Panther / Re: The Future of Black Panther and Storm?
« on: December 19, 2006, 11:39:15 am »

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Black Panther / Hey Zeraze!!!!!
« on: November 09, 2006, 05:58:14 am »
Zeraze,
Mad props for the way you hold it down and put it down over at Newsarama.
I don't know what you sound like, but when I read the intelligent responses you drop, I "hear" a combo of Malcolm and Brother J. from X Clan ;D
Those sissies don't know how to respond.
Keep Bangin' Bro.

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