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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 25, 2014, 03:33:23 pm »
First, I want to address the point about the White male X-Men. I already said that Wolverine was no good for Storm and am totally against that relationship. I never claimed Scott was any better either. If anything, he's worse than Logan, however, Warren is no pedophile. Bobby is a good guy, too. I have never seen Scott paired with a Black woman. Colossus, Warren, Nightcrawler, Cannonball and Bobby are all good guys, if you ask me. Sure, Gambit is a womanizer, but when he's in a relationship, he seems to be pretty monogamous and treats women he dates well.


Rutog, every white male mutant who is or has been an X-Man, or one who associates with the X-Men is doomed to follow in the footsteps of their founder, Professor X.

When Prof X founded his school and founded his first class of X-Men, he entertained thoughts of a possible romance between himself and Jean Grey.

Jean Grey, like her teammates, had blossomed physically but she was still a teenager. Prof X was likely kicking 40 yrs in the buttocks.  :)

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 24, 2014, 06:28:40 pm »
The thing that annoys me severely is the notion of erstwhile Abercrombie and Fitch  models Summers and Frost parading about with their entitled whining of oppression one and two that people would look at mutants differently than super powered folks period. Nobody would see Grimm Torch Spider-Man Danvers differently than Storm Frost Iceman or Magneto. It's ridiculous as is the fandom mentality. Not to mention you find kinship with folk because you can burp fire and this one can pass snow but your ethnic group means nothing to you.No.

Brilliant post.  8)

 Sunfire has always embraced his Japanese heritage first and homosuperiority secondarily. At least that's how it seemed to me. I got the same vibe from China's mutant, the Collective Man. White mutants have a sense of their nationality, ethnicity, and family to some greater or lesser degree.

It's almost as if when a mutant becomes involved with the mutant supremacy group a.k.a. the cult of the X-Men, they are encouraged to shed ties to nationality, ethnicity, family....sexuality? they get to retain that. The freakier, the better.

"Creep" wasn't having it.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 24, 2014, 06:14:23 pm »

We have a lot of black characters being depicted by non-black writers & artists. The geeks have won. The nerds have gotten their revenge. These knee-grows are so happy to see black characters in comics they’ll support hypocrisy & claim they’re finally being represented in comics. Not one (current) black hero or shero has black developers, creators or producers. Shame on you black-passivists & apologists. You stink of cowardess. 

They are not the problem. You are. This is 2014. We got satellites in space, finding planes in the middle of the ocean & probes landing on Mars & house-knee-grows still don’t want to see the bias. It’s a form of mental illness to minimize the reality of these character interpretations. We like Quentin Tarantino. Tarantino is in a class all his own but amongst the same comic-book non-black creators . Should the industry “Tarantino” us across-the-board? Real black people fight. It’s not about revenge, it’s about redemption. Oh, why bother? You’re fired! And I quit!

Miles- away


nah (super-black-dude)


Deathlok- still no


nope


guess again


no & no


try again


not


Sun-girl =none girl


Ms. Marvel= missed


guess again


Storm= nope


yeh, I mean no. wtf


It's like looking at "Vacation Photos" but never being able to take the trip for yourself. At least you're being represented. right?



Answer? We keep doing better versions of Black owned works and keep doing the work until we crack The Comic Book DaVinci Code and break out the Melanin Matrix.

We need a whole army of Negro Neo's...women and men. We have to do the work like we did with hiphop. And we'll get there.







Brilliance, Salustrade. You've read my mind.
 
From Macklemore: SAME LOVE...

If I was gay, I would think hip-hop hates me
Have you read the YouTube comments lately?
"Man, that's gay" gets dropped on the daily
We become so numb to what we're saying
A culture founded from oppression
Yet we don't have acceptance for 'em


I'd bet this song is very popular in the x-verse.

This white Hip Hop artist won a Grammy over a black Hip Hop artist likely because he was white and the white voters who supported Macklemore identified with him due to their shared whiteness...and also, this white Rapper wrote a song supporting homosexuality and daring to admonish the black Rappers - the CREATORS of the art form - for the apparent homophobia of the genre. Rap has become "gentrified". Once "locked out", white Rappers have become the landlords of another musical expression of so-called black culture. Blues, Jazz, long, lost Rock and Roll. We've been down that road before. Whites, Asians...and a smattering of blacks dance the Lindy Hop, a forgotten dance created by so-called blacks. A white man titles his song HARLEM SHAKE, a sensation grows around it; many blacks complain, "Hey! That belongs to us!" White Harlem Shake enthusiasts couldn't give a damn and soon everybody...blacks included...indulge in that foolishness. If whites want what blacks have, they simply perservere until it becomes theirs. Black Marvel Comics fans couldn't even keep T'Challa and Ororo married.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 24, 2014, 02:12:39 pm »
Didn't Archangel also date a Black female police officer, IIRC?

White male mutants have been all over black females; homosapien, homosuperior...makes no difference. And now there's a white male mutant married to a black male homosexual.

How many black male mutants have dated females of any racial/ethnic persuasion...homosapien or homosuperior? Not many. Prodigy was involved with Surge until he discovered his sexual deviancy and developed the hots for Hulkling.  The heterosexual black male mutant is as welcome in the x-verse as mutants are in Santo Marco or as welcome as homosexuals are in Uganda.

There are hardly any Black male mutants to begin with, so the discussion isn't a realistic one. The only Black male X-Man is Bishop and while he and Ororo have shared a close friendship over the years, there aren't really any Black female characters for him to date.

You see how sometimes when the truth is often repeated it begins to seep through?  There are hardly any Black male mutants to begin with, so the discussion isn't a realistic one By Jove! I think he's got it! So what's up with that, Rutog? You say the X-office holds no animus towards black people? Well then, why does there exist such a dearth of black male mutants? Why is it when a black male mutant somehow rears his nappy head he is soon rendered depowered or dead? I hear tell there was a very young black male mutant possessed of great power, created decades ago, who had an encounter with the Fantastic Four. This young mutant would have predated many of the X-Men you might hold dear to your heart, including your dearest Storm her own self.

Where is this black male mutant? They say Falcon is a mutant, but he isn't, but he is...but he isn't. Cloak was said to be a mutant. Then, he wasn't. Today it has been made crystal clear that mutants have become synonymous with homosexuals. There is no "gay gene", but there is an x-gene....and it's a gift, a gift some don't want to bequeath to black heterosexual males. Wolverine is a low-down, dirty-almost dead mutant. Falcon and Cloak are mutants on the down low...nobody has to know......

The black male mutant Synch showed some promise. He was heterosexual. Monet St Croix and Jubilee seemed to be attracted to him. The X-office blew him to bits. Bishop is the only so-called black X-Man...but Rutog...the X-office says Bishop is an Australian Aboriginee. While their skin is clearly black the Aborignee - until very recently I'd guess - were considered Asiatic and unrelated to blacks from Africa. Evidently, the X-office - so keen it seems on keeping black heterosexual males out of their x-verse - possibly believed they'd accomplished this by establishing Bishop and his lovely sister Shard - herself pursued sexually by a villianous white, male mutant - as Aboriginee. You say there aren't many black characters for Bishop to date? Joanna Cargill can worship white male mutant Magneto and fall in love with white male mutant Cyclops and the best Bishop can do is an alternate universe romance with Deathbird?  :)

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In fact, he's never even had a girlfriend.
 

And doesn't this bit of info seem just the least bit odd to you, Rutog ol' bean? Synch never had a girlfriend either. Jubilee had a secret crush on him I'm told, one that Synch never knew of. Synch was attracted to Monet St Croix who seemed to be showing a whisper of interest and then...BOOM. Synch is dead and Monet St Croix is sleeping with white male mutant, Madrox. Prodigy - David Alleyne - had a girlfriend, a mutant named Surge. But these days Prodigy ain't so much into Jane. He's more into Dick...if you catch my drift.

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The point I am trying to make is there is no outright hatred to Black in the X-Men books.

"Chit chat chatter tryin'..."  :D There's no harm in trying, Rutog...but the point you are trying to make is as sharp as a cotton swab. The x-office may not have an outright hatred of heterosexual black males, but they definitely have a strong outright disdain for heterosexual black males. Doubt me? Read on. Right on  8)

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Quentin Quire is the main X-brat (I don't care about the students at the school and I don't read any book that features them as the focal point of the title), yet he's dating a Black female character.

Quentin Quire's fugly arse seems to have an unhealthy and creepy attraction to young, beautiful black females. You've indicated you have no interest in "throwaway characters". You didn't know who David Alleyne - Prodigy - was so I strongly doubt you've even heard of the heterosexual black male mutant named Slick. Long story short, x-writers wrote a story in which Quire humiliated Slick by revealing his true form to his mutant classmates, including Slick's then-black girlfriend who went by the name Tattoo in those days. Tattoo - having witnessed Slick's shameful comeuppance at the hands of Quire - shunned him and took up with Quire. This is simply another jab at the heterosexual black male by the x-office whom I am beginning to suspect is a confederation of heterosexual and homosexual white racists. The heterosexual white racist x-writer dislikes heterosexual black males on general principle. The homosexual white racist x-writer is angry at heterosexual black males because we refuse to let them draw analogies between the homosexual struggle for rights and Rosa Parks sitting at the back of the bus.

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On the other hand, Archangel is arguably the cream of the crop of the X-Men, and he's dated Black women.  So, they are pairing top notch White male characters with Black women. So these Black women are NOT dating beneath them. They are dating men equal or greater than their own social status and being treated well by these men. I think this is positive, actually.


Dis here is sum funny sh*t...not. ::) I don't even want to know what "cream" you are referring to when you say an X-Man is the "cream of the crop". Whatever "cream" that is, I'm certain it isn't sanitary. "Top notch white male characters..."...an X-Man. Rutog, Rutog, Ruuuuutog  :)  Ain't no such manimal. Angel was as close to being a statutory rapist as one can come. Cyclops was unfaithful to his beloved Jean. Wolverine wanted to get into Jean's panties....and any other female mutant in the general vicinity. Don't let that "Punkin" crap fool you. The x-verse is full of incestuous, sexual deviants. And they're loving it. The best male mutant created might have been the black male mutant Synch. And look where he is today.

Those Black women aren't dating beneath them. They aren't dating at all. They're simply beneath those white male mutants with their legs apart. After tapping Ororo's tushie, didn't Logan set off in search of Carol Danvers for some reason? Storm and the other black female characters in the x-verse ain't nothing but something to do. The only married black person in the x-verse is a black male homosexual. And you say "they're being treated well by them..."  The same thing might have been said about those damned married crackas keeping Creole women on the side for their sexual pleasure in Louisiana back in the day. Huh?  ;)

I won't be buying a book called STORM when it's really just an X-Man book.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 23, 2014, 07:05:52 pm »
Didn't Archangel also date a Black female police officer, IIRC?

White male mutants have been all over black females; homosapien, homosuperior...makes no difference. And now there's a white male mutant married to a black male homosexual.

How many black male mutants have dated females of any racial/ethnic persuasion...homosapien or homosuperior? Not many. Prodigy was involved with Surge until he discovered his sexual deviancy and developed the hots for Hulkling.  The heterosexual black male mutant is as welcome in the x-verse as mutants are in Santo Marco or as welcome as homosexuals are in Uganda.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 23, 2014, 06:50:13 pm »
I didn't want or expect Storm solo book to be entirely Xman free.

I'm one who remembers the complaint of the many x-fanatics braying and bleating, wailing and whining; "I'm livid! Simply livid!! If I want to read about my favorite character I'll have to buy the BLACK PANTHER - a D-List character's book - who I hate with a passion! I won't do it! Kill the MARRIAGE! Where's Forge?! Where's Wolverine?! Where's Waldo?! I'm not buying that racist book! Poor Storm...ohhhhhh boohoo, boohoo....boooohooooooooo."

And now look at this Storm ongoing. We see a picture of Storm on the cover. See the title: STORM. It's her book. It's the #1 issue.  It's nothing but a bit of Tricknology. It's a way of tricking readers who wouldn't touch an X-book with a 10-foot pole into reading an X-book while those readers are believing they are reading about Storm, about how she is to become Marvel's equivalent to DC's Superman.

I ain't reachin' for the soap.

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At least it addressed in story some of the issues that folks have with the Xbooks...

Lip service. Nothing more than a wobbly nod in our direction. Using the first issue to show Storm interacting with so-called black people to mollify those who complain that there hasn't been enough of that heretofore. And even that seemed too much for them as we see the writer revert to the true X-franchise form, making the governing body of those so-called black people as anti-mutant as Uganda's position appears to be anti-homosexual. Once again, black people are the villians. Bishop was the baby killer. Santo Marco is the metaphor to make the analogy between that so-called black nation's anti-mutant sentiment and the slow pace with which the US so-called black community's acceptance of homosexuality and its refusal to allow homosexuals to link their struggle to the Black Struggle for Civil/Human Rights and Uganda's policy toward the homosexual's living there.


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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 23, 2014, 04:54:54 pm »
It didn't suck, however it was a Typical X-Men. Have the black people racist against mutants. Makes me rolls my eyes every time the do that. I put my copy that was pulled for me back on the wall.

True. "Typical X-Men."

I'm sorry...but I can't shake the sense of double entendre or symbolism in this story.

Storm vs a military presence ostensibly representing a so-called black nation that is "anti-mutant". I couldn't help drawing a parallel between this so-called black mutant-hating nation and Uganda whose President upon receiving findings from researchers in his country that there is no such thing as a "gay gene" pronounced that the findings reveal that one isn't born homosexual; homosexuality is learned. In the President's words; "What they have learned, they can unlearn."

Sons Of The Serpent = kkk and other white racist organizations. Santo Marco = Uganda and others opposing homosexuals.

On another note:  Too many X-Men and mutants in the first issue. The second issue appears as if it might be more of the same. Storm doesn't seem to be so "solo" as some of us might have liked for her to be. It looks as if instead of getting Ororo, we're about to get another O-Rut-Roh. The second issue of this ongoing will likely be the last I'll purchase.

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I don't necessarily need to see Black Panther, the Avenger. I would love to see a Vengeful T'Challa wreaking havoc on his enemies and putting the fear of the Black Panther in friend, foe, and that stupid, Dr Doom butt-kissing Panther god(dess), Bast as well. True Black Panther Black Power.






This...right...here!

Thank You, Brother Salustrade.


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Black Panther / Re: Let's play matchmaker for T'Challa
« on: July 21, 2014, 03:20:28 am »
I never did cast a vote in this poll because I don't want to feel committed  :D

I still like the idea of Ororo and T'Challa/Black Panther and Storm over most other combinations.

However....

I am one of those Brothers who absolutely loved (and still love), the fabulous Anita Baker. She's simply incredible...and delectable. Yes, I said it and I meant it.

Recently, I had the opportunity to reacquaint myself with one of my favorite songs by her: "How Does It Feel"

And while listening, I thought...if Monica Lynne could be written as Anita Baker, it would be T'Challa and Anita...I mean Monica all day, everyday. T'Challa would have to resemble a certain "sinjection" to make that love connection complete.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 21, 2014, 02:40:36 am »

In fact all of writers responsible for AvX seemed to be wilfully unaware of the fact that Queen Suri was (and is still) the current ruler of Wakanda.


Say on, Salustrade!

The writers were willfully unaware. They simply didn't care. Their aim was by hook, by crook, by any and every dirty trick in the book, to get Storm back so that they could get her flat on her back, legs open, beneath Logan.

Jenn's "....black and f***ing" slogan hurt them to the quick and they were quick to make us all pay for it by breaking up the MARRIAGE in the most humiliating way possible for T'Challa, having him say to Ororo, "...anybody but him." And then, having Ororo - quicker than a flash of lightning - on her back accepting Wolverine's lecherous attentions.

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Yeah but...didn't Roy have TChalla getting ready to be killed by The Death Tiger, only to be saved by a student named Delroy, while TChalla worked as a teacher in Harlem? That was...anus. Please tell me that wasn't Roy.





Yes Sir, Brother Supreme. As Big John Buscema likely didn't illustrate that story as well as the fact I didn't like the Death Tiger or the story, I didn't pay much attention to it. I think the Death Tiger was yet another traitorous Wakandan in what has become a long, long line of such: Eric Killmonger, Man-Ape, White Wolf, Malice...that thing with the dragon wings in Don McGregor's second installation of his Panther's ____ fill in the blank, series. The list goes on. I for one have always been sick of Wakandans wanting to drag T'Challa down and out whenever his back is turned and sometimes, full in his face.

Thomas also wrote a story about a Wakandan citizen who had joined A.I.M. and was up to some espionage in Wakanda (after the Vibranium again). The citizen eventually had a change of heart, realized he was loyal to his King, fought against A.I.M. and died in the line of service. I think that's how the story went. Thomas wrote a story about Wakandans protesting outside of Avengers Mansion, the Lion God appearing, T'Challa being rendered helpless and bowing in humility before this deity, a deity who wanted to kill him, of course. The Avengers had to rescue him.

Add to that story one written by Thomas shortly after the Avengers and Dr Strange defeated the Asgardian Fire and Ice gods decided to visit Wakanda before returning to Avengers Mansion. Upon landing in Wakanda, they are immediately attacked and soon discover that the Man-Ape has usurped power in Wakanda. T'Challa was once again...for the umpteenth time (too many damned times in my always humble opinion), was forced to fight for the right to rule his nation. T'Challa was on the verge of victory before sucuumbing to another trick and found himself in need of another Avengers' rescue.

Death Tiger made me sick. Killmonger made/makes me sick. Achebe, White Wolf, White Tiger (Kasper Cole), makes me sick. I never liked Everett Ross, nor Queen Divine Justice. I despise Kraven...both of them. I hate the way the Priest-written kitchen fight scene between T'Challa and Kraven went down and then, when T'Challa was beating the shiznit out of Kraven - something he richly deserved - it was T'Challa who was rebuked by the Avengers for losing his cool. What also added to my disgust of that whole episode was that while T'Challa was pummeling Kraven, Kraven was egging T'Challa on, begging for him to kick his insane behind. That Kraven seemed to acquiesce to his own ass kicking diminished in my view, T'Challa's physical revenge against him.

I'm sick of the Desturi and other Wakandan NEGROES who want to betray their King everytime the wind blows in a different direction. One of the things about doomwar that I actually enjoyed was Shuri snapping the neck of the Desturi leader and the violent deaths of his fellow traitors. I wouldn't mind seeing a merciless T'Challa roam the pages for awhile. A T'Challa who takes nonsense from nobody. I want to see a T'Challa who would make his so-called sophisticated, murderous half brother White Wolf piss his pants in fear. I would love to see a T'Challa who instead of telling Wolverine that he was infected by a certain silliness where Storm was involved, instead hasten Logan's death along by eviscerating him and kicking him, Ororo and their party out of Wakanda.

I don't necessarily need to see Black Panther, the Avenger. I would love to see a Vengeful T'Challa wreaking havoc on his enemies and putting the fear of the Black Panther in friend, foe, and that stupid, Dr Doom butt-kissing Panther god(dess), Bast as well. True Black Panther Black Power.

....but that's just me  ;)

While there are many things about Thomas' and Priest's runs on the Panther I don't like, I can appreciate their efforts. It's not easy to write a so-called black superhero for a still-racist white audience...an audience who would rather see a black homosexual man married to a white male homosexual superhero than to see an African King's MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY survive with his African Queen. There are things about Hudlin's run on the Panther that irritated me. But I'd rather take the greater good with the bad than take the bad with the worst.

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I agree with reading CJP's entire run. THAT'S BLACK PANTHER RIGHT THERE.

Don McGregor? Couldn't really feel him. TChalla gets beat up, talks too much, and bleeds too much while he's running from this place to that place.

You should read PETER G. WILLIS and DENYS COWAN'S 4 issue limited series 

https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=85941


Don McGregor is a good guy who cares for TChalla, and you definitely want to read him if you want to see why there has been DECADES of dissing TChalla. But if you want to see TChalla do amazing things and be a hero? Don is not the guy. TChalla talks too much, gets beat up too much in his own comic, and basically is a sucka.


I was once a bigger advocate of the Roy Thomas version than I am now.

T'Challa's alter ego Luke Charles as a teacher in Harlem, his budding relationship with Monica Lynne, his insistence that the Avengers stand down and allow him to fight the Sons Of The Serpent because they were killing his people....not Wakandan people....but so-called Black people in the 616 Marvel Comics' USA, not to mention other aspects which recommend it not the least of which is the spectacular artwork by my all-time favorite comic book artist: Big John Buscema.

One of the drawbacks of this version for me is Thomas' writing T'Challa and the Wakandans speaking as if they were all actors in a Shakespeare play.



I'm still reading Roy's run. I missed it ENTIRELY when it first ran. I had to resort to freakin Amazon.

I was instantly displeased with the whole Luke Charles thing. The stupidity of it was massive, imo. I had to drum up a good reason for it in my fanfic. I know that this was an attempt to make TChalla moe relatable to the American audience but...this was extra wakk, my brutha.

I instantly am displeased with Wakandans gettin their Shakespeare on.

It's been quite a long while, but I think what appealed to me about the T'Challa/Luke Charles thing was that not only did it seem to be an attempt to attract the interest of the so-called black American comicbook purchasing audience but it did something the X-writers certainly didn't want to do with Storm. Roy Thomas' T'Challa assumed an "American" identity and established a residence and teaching profession in one of Black America's most hallowed residential enclaves; Harlem, NY. It showed T'Challa as not only being open to associating with so-called black people but actively creating the means to facilitate those associations. The X-writers seemed to want to stress that Ororo was mutant first and foremost, her so-called blackness was secondary and often disputed.

Where the X-writers wrote stories of Ororo being menaced by so-called black pimps in Harlem, returning to her family's Harlem home to find it a haven for drug heads, showing a well-dressed Ororo being dropped off in "lowly Harlem" by Logan driving a big, fine shiny X-Men limo and promising to himself mayhem against any "buck" living in that area if any harm should befall Ororo...where the X-writers wrote of despair for Ororo in Harlem, Thomas wrote about the Panther wanting to make a positive impact in Harlem by reaching the youth through education and example.

Roy Thomas' Luke Charles aka the Black Panther spoke of pride and hope in Harlem. This Black Panther who doubled as a Harlem school teacher named Luke Charles was the same Black Panther who was determined to take down the white racist viper's nest known as the Sons of the Serpent. Only recently has Ororo shown an interest in helping so-called black people anywhere, at anytime.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 20, 2014, 05:59:41 pm »
@Sinjection:

I don't know Daredevil or Cage. I don't read either of their comics, so I can't really comment on the whole boxing match thing. I always thought Daredevil may have been a Spiderman-level character who can lift about 10 tons. I've just always had that impression though I have not read his books. From what you've stated, Daredevil is likely weaker than Peter Parker. If he doesn't have some kind of super strength, then I don't see how he could damage Cage like that in a fight. He probably has better agility than Cage to keep Cage from landing a punch, but unless he has some super strength, he should not be able to take Cage out of a fight by punching him out from what you've stated Cage's invulnerability to be.



Daredevil has no super-human powers except for his radar-sense.  But even Spider-man would break his fists bare-fist punching Cage with all his might.  Well, depends on how solidly he hits him.

Now, DD is faster and more agile than Cage, but not super-humanly so.  He probably could avoid getting punched, but Cage would only need one good hit and then DD is out-cold.  (Shoot, really, if Cage went all out, that one punch could break, paralyze, kill DD.


Uh, what year was this book written? Looks to me like Cage was really devalued in that fight.


I don't know the original story, but I do think Cage, like many other characters, have grown in power.  He is much stronger and, I think, more invulnerable than he was in the 70s.  Or rather, in the 70s his power level was inconsistent when he first came out.  There were times he didn't appear to be as strong as Spider-man; other times, he seemed much stronger.


Ah, okay. So, when DD beat him, was it during the time when his powers were inconsistent?


Daredevil - Cage Match

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I agree with reading CJP's entire run. THAT'S BLACK PANTHER RIGHT THERE.

Don McGregor? Couldn't really feel him. TChalla gets beat up, talks too much, and bleeds too much while he's running from this place to that place.

You should read PETER G. WILLIS and DENYS COWAN'S 4 issue limited series 

https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=85941


Don McGregor is a good guy who cares for TChalla, and you definitely want to read him if you want to see why there has been DECADES of dissing TChalla. But if you want to see TChalla do amazing things and be a hero? Don is not the guy. TChalla talks too much, gets beat up too much in his own comic, and basically is a sucka.

After a very brief period of reflection, I don't see much of anything about Supreme's assessment of McGregor to disagree with, especially in light of PANTHER'S QUEST (Ramonda captured, unlawfully restrained for decades, raped and the pictures of those rape sessions being sent to her husband T'Chaka by their tormentor, Anton Pretorious...whom T'Challa was denied the priviledge of killing). And then there was PANTHER'S (the rest of the title's name escapes me). A story which introduced drug abuse into Wakanda.

Aside from the map of what was then Wakanda in PANTHER'S RAGE, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if Rutog disregarded my previous suggestion that he should check out the story.

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Roy Thomas' TChalla in THE AVENGERS

I was once a bigger advocate of the Roy Thomas version than I am now.

T'Challa's alter ego Luke Charles as a teacher in Harlem, his budding relationship with Monica Lynne, his insistence that the Avengers stand down and allow him to fight the Sons Of The Serpent because they were killing his people....not Wakandan people....but so-called Black people in the 616 Marvel Comics' USA, not to mention other aspects which recommend it not the least of which is the spectacular artwork by my all-time favorite comic book artist: Big John Buscema.

One of the drawbacks of this version for me is Thomas' writing T'Challa and the Wakandans speaking as if they were all actors in a Shakespeare play.

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Say somebody didn't know very much about the Black Panther and were curious to learn more about him and Wakanda. Which run on his solo title would give a new reader of the character a comprehensive understanding of who he is, what he's all about, what he can do and the kind of place Wakanda is along with all the major players in that country?

IMO, Christopher Priest's run was groundbreaking yet definitive combining innovation and cannon.  The run included a reissue of Panther's introduction as told by Lee and Kirby in Fantastic Four.

Hudlin's run, however evolves both Panther and Wakanda beyond Stan and Jack's vision and is essential for understanding the Panther and Wakanda today.

Peace,

Mont

Kimoyo is right.

I'd check out PANTHER'S RAGE by Don McGregor.

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