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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 20, 2014, 09:50:24 am »
@Mr. Booshman,

I already outlined earlier how Storm can defeat Thor in a fight. COC2 just had Storm use her powers uncreatively. Storm is a more powerful elemental than Thor and she has more fine-tuned control PLUS greater creatively in using her powers. For Thor's other non-elemental powers to defeat Storm, he would have to get in close enough to clock her. Not gonna happen if she fights smart. You called me a misogynist when its you. Stop trying to project your shortcomings onto me.  I don't mind supporting female characters as Storm is my favorite comicbook character by far. You sound desperate and foolish.


The only person who sounds desperate and foolish on this forum is yourself.

I don't think there's anyone (at this point) who doesn't know how much of a hard-on you have for Storm going by the number of lunatic fringe posts you've made over the last few month but get this, I peronally don't give a flying frak about what you think or how you feel as regards Storm's durablity as a character because it's pretty much obvious that you're totally off your trolley bonkers.

No character is perfect but in your eyes, Storm is the most powerful and capable H2H character before whom all others must fall before within the 616 MU just because f*cking Chris Claremont says so.

You're talking about others being "insecure and foolish" when the only person acting moist over the coming of Thor: Goddess of Thunder is yourself and the rest of those whiners over on CBR wondering why Marvel is apparently "undercutting" Storm's solo book by launching a title featuring an actual Norse Goddess of Thunder as opposed to the faux "goddess" that you swear by incessantly on this forum.

If Marvel genuinely took Storm seriously as a character, she would have gotten a solo book well before Elektra, Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, She Hulk and the Black Widow and she sure as hell would've rocking a solo before Magneto, Doop and Nightcrawler so please miss us with this sycophantic BS you keep pushing on here.

A character that you supposedly feel could beat an actual Thunder God shouldn't be spending her time getting trussed up like a Xmas Turkey.........




Lying through her teeth.....



Flambeau'd by an actual cosmic entity....



Or (my personal favourite) getting knock'd the frak out by a true immortal warrior maiden........





 :D :D :D :D

"A character that you supposedly feel could beat an actual Thunder God shouldn't be spending her time getting trussed up like a Xmas Turkey.........

Lying through her teeth.....

Flambeau'd by an actual cosmic entity....

Or (my personal favourite) getting knock'd the frak out by a true immortal warrior maiden........"

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

...a damning and damned funny list of charges.

"Flambeau'd by an actual cosmic entity...."

Yes, she was. Yes, she was.

It's a shame the crimes those writers have committed against Storm through the years.

If Pak can turn around all of these disgraces and the many not listed here, he will be a hero to Storm's fans....those Storm fans with good common sense at any rate.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 20, 2014, 09:27:22 am »



This scene really doesn't mean anything as far as who should win the fight between these two.  Storm was trying to talk Val down.  This is an ally and probably someone Storm doesn't know well enough to know her limits.   She wasn't going at Val like she would have gone against a villain in a similar situation and Val is too good a warrior not to take advantage of an opening.   It isn't a case of one is more powerful than the other or underwriting one of them.  This is a case where one character takes advantage of the other person holding back.


Yes, but before attempting to "talk Val down", Ororo was in full attack mode. It was Valkyrie who says, "I don't want to fight you, Storm." Then Storm - speaking from that place of persecuted outrage only X-Men and their fans know - informs Valkyrie that because she has stolen something from the X-Men that a fight is inevitable unless she surrenders. Ororo was holding back (probably not by much), against an opponent who by appearances, didn't want to fight her to begin with. Storm probably should have beaten Valkyrie but taking a page out of Hawkeye's book when he fought Iron Man for the Evil Eye, Valkyrie manuevers Ororo into a position where civilians could become involved in their fight and Storm would likely be inhibitied from exerting close to her full strength. Valkyrie took advantage of that moment's hesitation and...BLAMMO!


Brotha Sinjection,

Valkyrie's victory over Storm showed tactical awareness and combat prowess honed over centuries. She also happens to be Asgardian with all of the physical attributes exhibited by other Aesir.

In otherwords, she isn't just superhuman, she's beyond human.

Storm on the otherhand, though a powerful mutant blessed with amazing powers, still remains a mere mortal with all of the physical limitations inherent to that status.

Storm wouldn't stand a chance Valkyrie in a straight up H2H scenario which is why Val's victory over Storm in that story, was inevitable.

She outmaneuvered and outstrategized Storm before dropping the hammer on the mutants noggin.



Yes Sir, Brother

Yesterday, during what proved to be a very busy day indeed, I found myself at the old family homestead where much of the comics collected through the years by my Brother and myself are still stored. I pulled out a few issues of the DEFENDERS circa way, way...waaaaay back in the day. Valkyrie's black costume is still the best one she ever wore.

Valkyrie's a tough customer alright.  There's a panel showing Valkyrie easily, effortlessly holding a Defender's vehicle over her head while Kyle (Nighthawk), Richmond's engineers worked on it. I flipped through the pages of those old books looking for instances of Valkyrie in battle. In those books I had on hand - except for her tussle against the Avenger, Swordsman - Valkyrie never seemed pushed to her limit by any opponent. Often, she seemed to win easily.

Valkyrie is the leader of the Valkyrior warrior maidens, a super-powered, extra-dimensional version of Wakanda's Dora Milaje. Ororo found fighting against the Dora Milaje no easy task. Ororo vs the leader of the Valkyrior in a hand-to-hand mashup...?  :( Poor Ororo  :'( There's little doubt that Valkyrie's tactical awareness and combat prowess is greater than Ororo's. I doubt that Valkyrie could ever have been taken down by the mutant Thunderbird, as easily and thoroughly defeated as Storm was.  Clearly in any physical battle between Ororo and Valkyrie, it's no contest. Ororo = the insect; Valkyrie = the windshield of a speeding high-performance sportscar. It's all over.

Valkyrie is Asgardian and beyond human in physical attributes. However, the spirit of Brunhilde no longer inhabits her natural body...or so I'm lead to understand. Her spirit inhabits the bodies of mortal women who like Brunhilde herself, happen to be drop-dead gorgeous, sexy, blonde-haired, blue-eyed bombshells. Unlike Brunhilde, those women are mere mortals. Obviously, the spirit of Brunhilde imparts upon these mortal females the superior physical attributes her body once had, but there is evidence of mortal weakness which remains. One example is of Valkyrie weeping and fretting like an over-emotional female when she'd believed that the Hulk had been killed in a cave-in during the Defender's battle against Magneto's "Mutant Alpha".

Ororo was doomed to defeat against Valkyrie in that story. In another story, a different writer, on another day, in a different battle, one in which Ororo might not feel so constrained by the particulars of their battlefield and less inclined to give Valkyrie any opportunity to use her superior strength as an advantage...I can see how it could become  Valkyrie = the insect; Ororo = the windshield of a speeding high-performance sportscar. It's all over.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 19, 2014, 11:27:13 am »



This scene really doesn't mean anything as far as who should win the fight between these two.  Storm was trying to talk Val down.  This is an ally and probably someone Storm doesn't know well enough to know her limits.   She wasn't going at Val like she would have gone against a villain in a similar situation and Val is too good a warrior not to take advantage of an opening.   It isn't a case of one is more powerful than the other or underwriting one of them.  This is a case where one character takes advantage of the other person holding back.


Yes, but before attempting to "talk Val down", Ororo was in full attack mode. It was Valkyrie who says, "I don't want to fight you, Storm." Then Storm - speaking from that place of persecuted outrage only X-Men and their fans know - informs Valkyrie that because she has stolen something from the X-Men that a fight is inevitable unless she surrenders. Ororo was holding back (probably not by much), against an opponent who by appearances, didn't want to fight her to begin with. Storm probably should have beaten Valkyrie but taking a page out of Hawkeye's book when he fought Iron Man for the Evil Eye, Valkyrie manuevers Ororo into a position where civilians could become involved in their fight and Storm would likely be inhibitied from exerting close to her full strength. Valkyrie took advantage of that moment's hesitation and...BLAMMO!

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 19, 2014, 10:40:43 am »
When I said, "what's the point?" I mean "I'm not going to change anyone's mind."

Are other characters overwritten and their feats should be ignored when determine their power level? Of course, yes.

When Thor creates a blast powerful enough to drive away Galactus and destroys a quarter of the atmosphere of a planet, either Galactus is being written down or Thor up.  It should be ignored when figuring out their stats.

When Spider-man beats Firelord, it should be ignored.

When Black Widow beats Wonder Man in Contest of Champions, that should be ignored.

When Iron Man manages to match Silver Surfer, knocking both out (or something like that) in Avengers/Defenders crossover, it should be ignored.  Iron Man shouldn't be able to do that, unless he did something like T'challa did...a specially developed piece of tech.  It shouldn't happen with his standard armor.  (Especially those old armors.)

I totally agree. Whereas the more liberal thinking fans might be able to accept a particular character's extraordinary exploits - those extending beyond the limits of their established and expected abilities especially in times of extreme duress - as accessing an as yet, untapped potential, those of a more intractable opinion and set standard will always disregard those displays as bad writing. Everyone will always have their own opinions and there will always be disagreements as to what is true to a character and what is a Mary Sue depiction of that character.

Bottom line...Spider-Man bested Firelord. Black Widow bested Wonder Man. Domino bested Luke Cage and Luke Cage defeated Dr. Doom and then had to rescue Doom from an extra-terrestrial menace who wanted to kill Doom. Spider-Man fans would want his win over Firelord figured into his stats. Luke Cage fans would want his victory and rescue of Dr. Doom figured into his stats.

 Who is the more powerful, Thor or Galactus? Back in the day, Stan Lee wrote and Big John Buscema created a fine story which had Loki deceiving the Silver Surfer into believing Thor was planning to overthrow Odin and take over Asgard. When the battle was joined, the Surfer smacked around many Asgardians that day, including Thor. IIRC, it was revealed that the Surfer's power was augmented by Loki who sent him back to Earth the minute he suspected the Surfer had discovered he'd been duped into fighting Thor, a revelation which came to him at a very convenient time as Thor was about to "take the gloves off" and get with the Surfer for real. From this story, I concluded that Thor is more powerful than the Surfer.

Is Thor the equal of Galactus? Has Thor ever fought Mephisto? Galactus has. The Silver Surfer while thwarting Mephisto, had never evidenced a power advantage over Mephisto. Galactus fought Mephisto on his own turf and while holding his own, seemed to be straining until the Surfer suggested that Galactus consume Mephisto's dimension. It was then Mephisto relented and freed Galactus' captured heralds and allowed them to leave. Galactus would probably make minced meat of Ymir or Ulik the Troll. Thor struggled against both. As you've indicated, Thor drove Galactus off with a blast he should have not been able to produce...but you might agree with me that Thor is more powerful than Silver Surfer. Thor struggled with Ulik the Troll. I can't see Ulik lasting long against any Herald of Galactus, let alone Galactus himself.

Galactus sweats against Mephisto, but he was fighting Mephisto in his own realm. Mephisto leaves his realm to menace T'Challa in the Panther's dimension. Wakandan tech discovers a flaw in Mephisto which makes him vulnerable to attack while out of his dimension - something the cosmically-aware Surfer never seemed to figure out. T'Challa decks Mephisto with one punch and rips the heart of out his chest. Who is to say that these are examples of over-writing, under-writing, or simply bad writing any of these characters? Should Luke Cage's, Cloak's and Dr Voodoo's victories over Doctor Doom be ignored while doomwar is accepted? Sif is an Asgardian goddess and probably many times stronger (physically), than Ororo. Sif is incapable of flight or of delivering long range attacks. Storm is able to fly and capable of striking Sif with lightning. If Ororo doesn't allow the fight to become hand-to-hand, wouldn't you agree that Storm easily defeats Sif? Thor-ette and Storm have similar powers. Again, Thor-ette is physically more powerful, but if Ororo keeps the fight at a distance and being supremely confident in her abilities, I don't see why Storm couldn't win a pitched battle against Thor-ette. 

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Never saw the DD punching Cage, but that should be ignored too.

The story was titled: CAGE MATCH.

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As far as Hawkeye goes; by all reason and logic what you say is true, but in the comic universes (Marvel and DC) non-powered beings somehow seem to match, equal and beat people who should just crush them.  I mean really, Batman beating Superman?  Mantis taking down both Thor and Iron Man at the same time in an instant?  It is crazy, but they keep doing it.
 

And Hawkeye remains a fan favorite with many Marvel Comics readers. Batman's popularity is even wider and greater than Hawkeye's. Mantis was a cool character who IMO was poorly utilized. Meanwhile, Valkyrie - a very cool character I have always liked - beats Storm in a battle and...okay. Except Valkyrie isn't a goddess. She isn't invulnerable. Storm hit Valkyrie with a lightning strike and buffeted her with near-hurricane strength winds and Valkyrie says; "not bad", before knocking Ororo the funk out. "Stats-wise", shouldn't Ororo have beaten Valkyrie? Should Valkyrie's win over Storm be ignored?

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And also, one of the conventions of comic book stories is "anyone can beat anyone" under certain situations.  Yes, Storm could beat Thor, if the circumstances are right.  It's a comic book convention and if you can't accept that (or normal people beating supers), you might as well give up the hobby, because it is not going away.

That "suspension of belief" thing.

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I do like Storm, though I used to like her more.  And I think she is powerful.  But I admit, part of my problem is some fans absolute insistence that she is the most powerful, unstoppable, unbeatable hero of all.  If she isn't written as the perfect hero, the writer is underwriting her.  This attitude has spoiled the character for me.  The overwriting doesn't bother me, in fact,  underwriting her bothers me more, but the fans going on and on about it make me cringe every time she does something fantastic because I know I'm going to hear about it over and over and over and over....

Perfectly understandable  :D  I can relate. There was a time I - like so many others - was a Wolverine fan. I especially liked the friendship between Logan and Kurt. And then X-writers went berserk with Wolverine's abilities which in turn ignited Wolverine's fans berserk reaction and each fed into the other until we got Wolverine being an immortal and reconstituting himself from a single drop of his blood.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 19, 2014, 07:22:29 am »
Eh. ... long thread...delete. .. what is the point?

A very good question. "what is the point?"

What is the point of writing an Ororo who must be constrained within the restraints of what to my eyes seems to be a fan-recognized and accepted arbitrarily set boundary of her believable powerset while characters such as her erstwhile and soon-to-be-deceased lover evolves from an ignorant, berserk brute to a supremely intelligent, master of martial arts Samurai; an immortal capable of surviving having his body torn in half and reconstituting his mortal form after it had been blasted to bits by an explosion, from a single drop of his blood? And for the most part...it's all good because he's "freakin' Wolverine".

What is the point of holding it against Storm whenever her character accomplishes feats regarded as somehow exceeding the believeable boundary of her powerset when others who do so are often overlooked? Daredevil hit Luke Cage with strikes which caused facial contusions and actual bleeding wounds by breaking his skin. Daredevil - a master martial artist to be sure - does not possess super strength. Nor does Daredevil have any physical ability to give Luke Cage reason to pause, let alone cause injury to his person. Luke Cage does have superhuman strength. Luke Cage's skin is inpenetrable, impervious to harm...and Daredevil caused him to bleed? Wolverine can reconstitute himself - or rather could - reconstitute himself from a single drop of his blood. A boorish boob, Hawkeye is able to battle to a standstill and even defeat a genius-level intellect encased in high-tech armor capable of leveling a city block. But Storm shouldn't be able to defeat an Asgardian who is not a goddess, but a servant of the gods? Should Storm also be expected to receive similar treatment from the Enchantress?

Hawkeye was able to wrest possession of the Evil Eye from Iron Man by firing one of his hokey trick arrows through a closed window which snatched the Eye from Iron Man's hand, boomeranged in mid-air and returned to Hawkeye whereupon, it deposited the Eye into his hand. Later in the story, Hawkeye would survive a punch to his jaw which Iron Man delivered using the impetus of an airborne powerdive. Hawkeye got right back up and went on to defeat Iron Man with a dirty trick which endangered the lives of innocent civilian bystanders. But Clint is Clint. He's cool. He bags hot babes. It's all about the 'tude, dude. Storm absorbs an airborne blow from Valkyrie and her impossibly huge hammer and is immediately knocked unconscious. I think something stinks about this.

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Here's the problem, if you can accept that she is underwritten from time to time then you have to accept it she can be over written from time to time. It's far more likely that she should have been beaten in all those hand to hand combat  situations rather than win. She only won those fights because she is the hero of the story. Not because she's better than the people she beat.

Then, Hawkeye is over-written all of the time. Who brings a bow and a quiver of trick arrows to a fight against shape-changing aliens armed with high-powered particle beam weapons and wins? Hawkeye. In Contest Of Champions, Domino defeated Luke Cage in their battle. The only thing Domino seemed to have on Cage was Probability Manipulation. Apparently, that gimmick was enough. Domino was pictured seated cool as you please on a car under which lay the prone and unconscious body of Luke Cage...the same Luke Cage who defeated Dr. Doom (nah...must have been a Doombot). Cloak defeated Dr. Doom (nah...must have been a Doombot). Dr. Voodoo defeated Dr. Doom (nah...must have been a Doombot). Dr. Doom humiliates the Black Panther in doomwar and all the LCBRD-folk on the wildside say, "shoom, shoom-shoom"...yeah, that's my MAN Dr. Doom! But Ororo has to suffer an humiliating defeat at the hands of Valkyrie, a character once taken through her paces by the Swordsman whom after their battle, she saluted as a fellow warrior. Stinky, man. Stinky.

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Also, if you think Storm is going to beat the new Thor, you're missing the big picture.  The new female Thor is supposed to be THOR, not Thor-lite.  If Storm beats this new Thor, then everyone will go, "See, she's just Thor-lite, not the real thing."  As long as Marvel wants to push this new character as the "REAL THING", she cannot lose to Storm.


The Hulk isn't a god, he's a gamma-ray infected mortal...a mortal who has on more than one occassion given Thor fits because everybody knows, "the madder Hulk get, the stronger he get; and Hulk is Strongest There Is!" So seeing as Thor is now female and Hulk is still a male and males are physically stronger than females, shouldn't that be the edge that allows Hulk to beat Thor-ette's tiny hiney? Hulk isn't able to fly under his own power. He makes gravity-defying leaps from place to place. Thor isn't able to fly under his (now her), own power...in a manner of speaking. He hurls his/her...it's hammer into the sky and is pulled into the sky by the hammer's momentum. Valkyrie couldn't fly if she didn't ride Aragorn. Ororo is Storm, the WINDRIDER. She is able to fly under her own power and that power should be such that yes, she should be able to defeat Thor-ette. Why not? If we should accept that there are times Ororo has been overwritten, then I submit that Storm was offensively under-written when she was kissed into defeat by Thor in Contest Of Champions.

But as long as the LCBRD approves of Ororo being kissed into submission by Thor, pounded into unconsciousness by the hammer Valkyrie borrowed from Bugs Bunny...but would take the attitude ... "If Storm beats this new Thor, then everyone will go, "See, she's just Thor-lite, not the real thing."  As long as Marvel wants to push this new character as the "REAL THING", she cannot lose to Storm.", then indeed; "what is the point?"  "everyone" = the LCBRD. That's the point.

Ororo should be written down against Valkyrie and Thor-ette. Black Panther should be written down against Dr. Doom because if they should ever defeat those characters "everyone will go, See..............."

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 18, 2014, 05:18:41 pm »
I LOVE that Storm is SOOOOO good at everything. Its one reason I like her so much. Let the lady shine like the star that she is. :D

But if you have your way with your nearly perfect Ororo, then that Storm star will shine, and shine more brightly until it becomes nova, then supernova...and then dies. A character that is SOOOOO good at everything is a boring character no one wants to read about.

Storm is NEVER overwritten.

So...should Galactus ever again menace Earth the Fantastic Four and all Earth's heroes should just sit back, kick their feet up and relax. Wakanda can do away with their Galactus contigency plans. Storm is here. Storm will handle it because Storm is NEVER overwritten.

C'mon now.....

Look, I'm just saying that there is a lot to play with where Storm is concerned. She's a top flight escape artist, top notch thief, powerhouse, extremely formidable H-2-H combatant, and a leader possessing an indomitable will and spirit second to none. She can be put in a TON of DIFFERENT situations that challenge her in any or all of these areas and just captivate the readers with the ingenuity she uses to get out of those circumstances. That's all I'm saying. She doesn't need to be blowing up Heralds of Galactus (which she's done before) or summoning the full power of stars (which she's also done) every issue. I'd be fine with seeing stuff like that every now and then. However, showings like her stopping a tsunami carrying a millions tons of water which would be moving at hundreds and hundreds of miles per hour, or maybe her containing the explosion of a volcanic eruption, or maybe seeing her part an ocean...feats like that should be her normal power levels in her own solo book and she can be pitted against villains with appropriate power levels to challenge that power. In the team X-Men books, her powers can be scaled down to fit the team dynamic and I wouldn't mind since I'd be getting my Storm fix in her solo.  I don't read "Thor", but I'd wager in his own solo title he is pitted against more appropriate villains in proportion to his power levels on a regular basis than what the Avengers usually face and I'd also wager that he is probably written more powerfully in his solo title than the "Avengers" on a regular basis with some power spikes in "Avengers." Whynot the same treatment for Storm? That's all I'm saying.

In the MU, there are villains of varying power levels from being sparring partners to people like Daredevil ALL the way up to sparring partners for Galactus. So, Marvel has villains that can challenge Storm's powers and can create new villains for this purpose.

I suppose the challenge is in doing justice to writing a character with Storm's power levels and fullest potential and in keeping such a character entertaining to the reader. On another note...back to the overwriting thing. You referred to Daredevil and that got me thinking. Luke Cage has been gunshot point blank and suffered nothing more than a bruise. But Daredevil took Cage on in a boxing match. Daredevil not only put lumps on Cage but caused Cage to bleed.

I've always been a fan more into the graphics of comics than the writing. While the art presentation gets better and better, the writing of comicbooks gets worse.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 18, 2014, 04:11:51 pm »
I LOVE that Storm is SOOOOO good at everything. Its one reason I like her so much. Let the lady shine like the star that she is. :D

But if you have your way with your nearly perfect Ororo, then that Storm star will shine, and shine more brightly until it becomes nova, then supernova...and then dies. A character that is SOOOOO good at everything is a boring character no one wants to read about.

Storm is NEVER overwritten.

So...should Galactus ever again menace Earth the Fantastic Four and all Earth's heroes should just sit back, kick their feet up and relax. Wakanda can do away with their Galactus contigency plans. Storm is here. Storm will handle it because Storm is NEVER overwritten.

C'mon now.....

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 18, 2014, 03:12:48 pm »
All characters go to these "overwritten" moments.  And fans love to go there as the standard measurement of a character's power level, but really, those are like adrenaline moments when a person lifts a car off of a person.  It's not the true standard.

"overwritten moments..." such as when Hawkeye defeats an unimpaired Iron Man under any circumstances; Defenders vs Avengers for example.  ::)

Clint Barton > Tony Stark. Hawkeye > Iron Man?

Nope, Nyet, Nada, No way, Jose  :)

IIRC, Hawkeye's mentor the Swordsman, actually gave a good account of himself against Valkyrie - that's right. The same "Stop! Hammertime!!" Valkyrie (only then it was the sword "Dragonfang" she was using) - in that same Defenders vs Avengers event before eventually losing due to some outside civilian interference. All things being equal, Ororo could literally blast the Swordsman apart with her mutant power and probably fight him to a standstill without resorting to her mutant abilities.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 17, 2014, 02:38:30 pm »
I don't think Thor-Girl is going anywhere, to be frank. I think making Thor a female is a huge risk as many of the fans are used to a male Thor. This could turn the traditional fans away. That said, the Storm fans on CBR are going APE over this. They LOVE it. :D

Wait...are you...are you sure? The Storm fans on CBR are going APE over this? Really?

I wouldn't have believed it.... ::)    ;)

For your sakes, I hope Pak writes a worthy Ororo and not an O rut ro...(sorry Scoob...)

I'll give the Storm ongoing a two-issue chance to impress me. "Thor-ette"....good one, Supreme. Reminds me of Smurfette...only with a hammer...."Thor-ette" isn't getting a sniff from me.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 17, 2014, 02:12:07 pm »

Is STORM saving "helpless" Black folks?

Yep. That's what heroes do. Help the helpless.

Ororo's immediate interaction with other so-called black people. That's something of a plus...I guess. At any rate, it could be an indication that someone has been reading the comments complaining of there being too little of that sort of contact where Storm and her people...not the mutants...are concerned and decided to attempt to address the issue. The so-called black person is a cute little girl. Few are those who could resist the innocent charms of a little girl irrespective of race. We already know Storm is going to lay the smack down on more adult black males so it remains to be seen how Ororo will relate to her people as a whole.


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X-dweebs and X-dweeb requirements of Storm in order to keep the book afloat with their money. Aaaannnd...Thor-ette will prolly KILL Storm's solo series.

Exactly so, Supreme. I noticed she was talking to a "Henry". If it's the Henry I think it is then Storm is still under the big toe of the X-Men and it's going to shape up to be more of the same ol, same ol.

I'm still in for my two issues of the Storm ongoing, however.  ;)

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Black Panther / Re: BP and "Original Sin" Spoilers
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:49:48 am »
O...M...G...!  Could they be positioning King of the Dead T'Challa as the protector of the entire Marvel Universe!?!?!

"I try to get out and they keep pulling me back in!" - you know!

Peace,

Mont

I couldn't help but suppress a chuckle, Kimoyo.

More a product of my own jaded thinking than your statement, brother.

I remember the reaction of some when Jericho Drumm became Sorceror Supreme. And to think...T'Challa the Black Panther; King Of The Dead: the protector of the entire Marvel Universe....

There would be a mass exodus, an LCBRD "fright flight" to the universal "suburbs".

The Marvel Universe under the protection of T'Challa, the Black Panther would become the equivalent of the "Chocolate City".

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 17, 2014, 06:21:56 am »
It's not Ororo. It's the X-writing that has made Ororo an Oh-no-no.

http://storm-goddess.webs.com/historyiframe2.htm

The stupid: Ororo was naive in the ways of the modern world. For example, she had no idea why there was any need for clothing, if one didn't feel cold. This led to some embarrassing episodes with her fellow X-Men. This is stupid for reasons I should think would be obvious...and then stupid because it is inconsistent. The reason they gave as Ororo's excuse for not wearing clothing - not understanding why she should wear clothes if she wasn't cold - doesn't make sense. She wore clothes while in Africa...not all of the time, but most of the time. Later in this link, Storm states that she is immune to weather conditions; she feels neither heat nor cold. If Ororo is never cold she should be walking around butt-naked all of the time. 

The positive: Ororo was also the one member of the team who would stand up to Wolverine when his temper was flaring and, through sheer force of personality, get him to back down.

Not entirely true. During Claremont's run Cyclops smacked Wolverine down.  It's true, he was testing him after the battle against Proteus, but he instigated Logan's "berserker rage" and after having done so, kicked Wolverine's butt using both his powers and hand-to-hand tactics.  Another time, Colossus - having grown tired of Wolverine's "insulting" use of his appellative "broad" to describe Storm, warned him not to do so again and after Wolverine sowed the wind once more, Colossus picked him up and threw him...which is probably how their stupid battle tactic the "Fastball Special" was born. More than one X-Man stood up to Wolverine during his temper tantrums, so this Storm "positive" doesn't quite ring true.

The inconsistencies: There were aspects of the life as an X-Man that proved hard for her, though, as for example when she destroyed a Sentinel that seemed very lifelike. What if she were ever forced to kill another human being?

Storm was forced to kill another human being. I've never seen the scumbag Ororo killed while a teenager in Africa, but I'm assuming he was black. I could be wrong and would pleased to be proven so. But it would appear that as an X-Man, Ororo had a problem killing a Sentinel who looked like a white human being, but in Africa after killing an actual human being who very possibly could have been black...not so much. The only psychosis Storm brought with her out of Africa was her claustrophobia.

The racially insensitive:  Some time back, I posted a link showing Wolverine dropping Ororo off in Harlem and musing to himself as he drove away that if Ororo was not "home" at a safe hour then he'd come back looking for her and woe to any "buck" who might try to stop him. Ororo's encounters with other  black people were always negative and racially insensitive: the mini rainstorm over the head of a black man who had to be a pimp of all things and now in this link, Storm returning to her old Harlem home in the company of Misty Knight (lover of white male Danny Rand), and Luke Cage (who unbeknownst to him at that time, would someday become married to one of the ugliest white women in Marvel Comics), discovers it to be a rundown crackhouse. Nothing good ever seems to happen to Ororo when she is in the company of other black folks.

Mammy Ororo When a new student, the teenager Kitty Pryde, was introduced, Ororo quickly started to develop motherly feelings towards the girl..." Now when white-haired, feline-pupil, black, nappy-headed Kymera shows up with a huge black panther by her side, wasn't Ororo hesistant to believe the girl was her own daughter? She readily accepts the white girl who is not her own and seemingly rejects the black girl who very likely IS her own.


Resolute Resistance regarding Storm and any positive relations with blacks...in this case, the Black Panther
During a walk in Salem Center, Storm was almost assassinated by a South African sniper, part of de Ruyter's revenge plot for her saving T'Challa as a teenager. Solving the case, the Black Panther and Ororo renewed their friendship but both realized that any chance for a relationship between them had passed.

Patriotic Storm loves the Red, White, and Blue Arkon and Storm. Peep the link.

It's not Ororo. It's the writing.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 15, 2014, 02:32:43 pm »
Truly pathetic.



And this is supposed to be Marvels most "iconic" female character?

More like most "moronic" female character. :smh:


She's dealing with the death of Wolverine in this issue and is going to take care of some of his "unfinished" business with Yukio as her side kick in this story. Yeah, I can DEFINITELY see Storm being devastated by the death of Logan. Even if they were not in a relationship, he was arguably her deepest friend. He and Storm have been through more things together than anyone and they relied on each other's strength many times to get through tough spots.


It's funny how she wasn't equally as "devastated" over the thousands of Wakandan men, women and children that her fellow mutant, Namor murdered during AvX.



The same Namor who she slept with during AoX.




That said, look at her face on that cover. She's prettier than Girl-Thor.


Is that the best you've got?

Really?!

Storm i only at her "best" when she's assaulting Black people.



Or blatantly lying through her teeth.




A truly devastating delivery of the facts, Salustrade!

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 15, 2014, 02:28:16 pm »
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Also, for those of you out there who keep going on about how the X-office disrespects Black males with Storm punching them out, etc

The X-office disrespects Black males - Black male mutants specifically - usually by having white male mutants humiliate them; by creating them under-powered and then, depowering them; having them lose their minds and become baby killers and last, but certainly not least or by simply punching their ticket

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Black Panther / Re: Let's play matchmaker for T'Challa
« on: July 14, 2014, 06:37:46 pm »

If it happened, it would be a BIG mess all around. The Storm fans would be complaining that he's not good enough for her (I'd be joining them in that) and the Spiderman fans would rather her be with Gwen or MJ. Neither Gwen or MJ can come anywhere NEAR Storm. On a scale of 1-10, if Peter Parker is an 8, Storm is a 16. She is FAR too classy (when written properly, as she will be by Yost as he is now writing her character in "Amazing X-Men" and she'll be written GREAT by Pak), mature and great a character to be written down to where she's in a relationship with that goofball, Parker. Carol Danvers is NOTHING to Storm. Some of you guys can't handle it BECAUSE you're upset she's not with T'challa anymore so you try to play instances where she is devalued (Salustrade, I'm looking at you and your hammer-in-the-face scan with this comment.) Parker needs MJ or Gwen because those women are on his level which is FAR below Storm. The X-Men is Marvel's BIGGEST franchise and Storm is the first lady of the X. She is the first lady of Marvel as well, though many of you don't want to admit it because of Storm hating. Storm joining up with SM will NOT increase her role in the MU whatsoever as the threats he face are stupid. It would actually devalue her while making him look like "The Man" to be able to get a score like that to date him. He's the clean up man/janitor of the superhero community. He takes care of the scrap villains with names like Scorpion, Alligator Man and Doctor Octopus who are too weak to be noticed by the likes of people like Storm. Anyone who looks at the facts objectively knows that I am right.

This post is as shrill as the sirens warning of one of Ororo's F4 tornadoes spotted on the horizon. I pray I never posted anything so laughably arrogant about any characters I am partial to and the thing is....I fear I might have done so. The embarrassment of the prospect itself is crushing  :) 

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She is the first lady of Marvel as well, though many of you don't want to admit it because of Storm hating.

Who are these Storm haters? I have read many posts...some unfortunately worded so that it appears animosity was being heaped upon Ororo when in fact, those comments were meant to convey the displeasure and disdain for how she was depicted by those writing her character so badly. I don't believe I've ever read a post by a HEF member stating a dislike for Ororo the character. I don't believe there's any Storm hatred in these precincts  :)

Your devotion to Storm is admirable....and sometimes even alarming. You believe Storm is the first lady of Marvel, then I'll respect your opinion. But there are many who would take issue with you. In fact, I'd venture to say that there are many in the LCBRD who would say that the Storm who is the first lady of Marvel Comics is Sue Storm, not Ororo.

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